Note: The transcript is generated from an AI machine and may not be completely accurate.
Links to the Stories:
1) Patagonia matches Activists with Environmental Organizations
2) Jellyfish causing loss of salmon at fish farms in Norway
[00:00:00] Hey everybody welcome back to the Spica for blue podcast. I’m your host and your lume we’ve got a great episode free today. Ocean news update day today. Every Monday I go through the news that I think is worthy over the weekend or something that I saw or and then given it. There’s two stories that I cover and then I give an opinion on something that I feel that needs to be discussed at some point. [00:00:20] Today we’ve got two stories for you. One we’ve got Patagonia has come up with a bit of a I guess a dating website. You can say or a dating database. [00:00:30] It actually matches people who want to make a difference with the organizations who are out doing it. So it’s not a dating website. In the in the traditional sense it’s a dating Web site to match people with organizations for want to do better in the in the ocean for the ocean for the environment. All that stuff so Patagonia again leading the way in terms of helping make the world a better place. Then we got an opinion that I have about information and how content really is king and not in the sense that that’s a marketing term but that’s not in the sense of marketing. I mean it is in a certain way but really. What I’m going to be looking at today is how. Important information is to inform people so that they can make a proper decision. And I a talk but just what made me think of this. The events of last week that really made me think about this and how it relates to marine science and conservation. So that’s going to be interesting. And then we’ve got the last story. How do you know what. Last week we talked a little bit about fish farming and salmon farming with the whole story on how a Canadian company got its least taken away in Washington state waters and all that. I made a YouTube video on that. Check that out. I’m going to start videos more videos again and this time we’re hearing something about in Norway how jellyfish threaten Norway salmon farming industry and how they’re doing that and whatnot. [00:01:56] It’s quite interesting there’s climate change implications and so forth so we’re going to see what that’s going to go on. And I know a lot of people have opinions about above. Salmon farming especially fish farming and aquaculture. But we’re going to we’re going to talk about that. [00:02:13] So that’s up on today’s episodes and of course this is the beginning of a conversation you can continue this conversation in our speak up for blue community Facebook group. All you have to do is to speak up for blue dot com for its slash group request to join. [00:02:26] Use your Facebook account request to join answer some of the optional questions out there and then boom you’re in the group and talk about whatever episode you’d like to talk about. I also go live five days a week in that group so you can get more information. Sometimes we dive deeper in to what’s going on. I bring peace group members on to talk about what they what they think and everything like that. It’s a really cool platform that I just started so I’m looking forward to are not the group itself but the live stuff I’m just starting so looking forward to getting into that. [00:02:56] So that’s that’s what we have on today’s episode is going to be a lot of fun. [00:03:00] I want you guys to take sit back relax and listen whether this is your morning commute or your afternoon commute or your lunchtime where you’re at work and you’re listening to this. You know wherever you’re listening to this I appreciate it. I really do. It’s something that I it’s a passion of mine. It’s turned into a business of mine. And I’m I’m hoping that this sort of fills in your passion for information on what’s going on in the ocean and inspires you to do more through that especially through this Patagonia stuff. So let’s get started with the show. [00:03:30] If you were sick of hearing of the the ocean and not knowing what to do. You’re in the right place. You want to meet people working to protect the ocean then you’re in the right place if you want to find out how you can get involved and you’re in the right place. This is speak up for podcast and I’m here to empower you to live a better life. [00:03:56] Hey everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the Speak Up For blue podcast. I’m your host Andrew Lewin founder speaker for blue dot com marine ecologist and self-proclaimed ocean printer. I want to thank you very much for joining us on this Monday morning or Monday afternoon or Monday evening whenever you decide to listen to this or even you know could be three weeks of publishing this. You know it’s going to be February 12th when we do this. Valentine’s Day is right around the corner. So it’s it’s an interesting week. I’ve got p.a days and family days coming up which is which is always interesting when you work from home. But I get and trying to balance family life with work life with an entrepreneurial life. But it’s always it’s always fun so it’s going to be an interesting week for me. I hope it’s an interesting week for you. You know for Valentine’s Day I always find it interesting. I always find like you know what everybody makes such a big to do about. If you buy flowers it’s like ten times the price and everything like that if you’re with somebody that you love. Whether it be a partner whether it be a friend whether it be just a family member or something like that just give them some love that day you know and just tell them how much you know how much they mean to you. That’s usually what do. Here we don’t go on extravagant extravagant gifts in my household. [00:05:03] We just kind of chill out and have some fun. So that’s always going to be fun. So anyway that’s how I celebrate and how I look at Valentine’s Day. I don’t try and look at this crazy holiday pseudo holiday that everybody has to go all out because it is a 365 366 day year thing. Love right. That’s what you got to do. [00:05:25] Anyway that’s enough of Andrew Lewin’s love advice.[00:05:30] But anyway let’s get into the show today we’ve got a really interesting show we’ve got a couple stories Patagonia’s in the news. Leading the way in environmental conservation which I love I love to see companies social enterprises like Patagonia especially that how big they are really changing the game all the time and I really like that and we’re going to be talking about just information in general on the Internet and how. [00:05:55] I found a few stories that were politically driven that did not provide all of the information. [00:06:02] And I kind of stood out. You know I took took a stand on on my Facebook page personal one and I a. But it really made me think about how. You know. How. We view the ocean and how you know certain campaigns will. Manipulate or exaggerate certain things based on information or the other way around omit information that we don’t that the people can’t really make a decision and that’s what we’re really going to focus on today’s opinion piece. And then of course jellyfish are threatening the salmon farming in Norway salmon farming industry. There’s a lot of stuff going on with fish farming lately. So I thought this would be kind of interesting because it sort of a natural occurrence was when we start working in the ocean and trying to grow fish for food especially in open pens you have to deal with the ocean. [00:06:51] And this is a case of dealing with the ocean. So it’s going to be interesting talk. That’s all for today but what I wanted to do is I want to talk to you about. A conference this conference the day that I go to every two years or I start to go to every two years is it called the International Marine Conservation Congress. And what I like. There’s a lot of conferences out there and every conference really focuses on a specific niche and so sometimes you get like a theologists you get sharks like the Elasmobranch Society and they’re all great and I suggest you go if that is your interest. [00:07:26] Sort of field and you’re working that sort of field you’d go to those conferences because they’re absolutely amazing as great networking opportunity a way to present yourself and your work and share work and collaborate with people. But the International Marine Conservation Congress has happening this year in June June 24th the 29th in 2018. [00:07:47] Is something special. And I’ll tell you why it’s special. First it brings everybody together. It brings people from marine conservation together so scientists conservationists. [00:07:57] Advocates lawyers business sector just people in general who may be involved in conservation or just interested in. It’s bringing kids into this conference. That’s right kids. There’s a AMCC 5 there is going to be a separate smaller conference within the conference. To educate. The Malaysian kids the kids that live in the local area as well as kids from the delegates who are bringing their kids to the conference. They get to be educated and basically get to get to know each other and get to know the Malaysian culture get to load the Malaysian marine environment and coastal environment the issues the species is going to be fantastic. So it’s it’s one that’s that’s absolutely amazing you get to you get to network with people within the field from all different backgrounds professionally and culturally you get to have you know kids taking your very inclusive so people can bring their kids you you have you have you know parties and stuff like that to get together and social events that you can really get to know your colleagues. You have just information being driven at you all the time it’s a very intense you know four days which is absolutely amazing and to be honest we put it and they put it in Malaysia because they want to be more inclusive to people in that area of the world because traditionally the FCC has been in North America or Europe. [00:09:24] And that’s fine and dandy for the people in North America and Europe. It’s easier to travel but for the people in Malaysia and surrounding areas southeast Asia Australia it’s very difficult to actually get over there just in terms of logistics and price of actually going over there. Plus you’re away from your family for a longer period of time so. The ICC moved it to Malaysia and a central area that a lot of people can make in that sector of the world there’s travel grants and all. And the abstracts are open for this conference so all you have to do is go to AMCC 5 dotcom and submit an abstract that’s right on the home page. It’s a big bold letters on it to do just click on that and submit an abstract of the work that you’re doing in ocean conservation. I know we have a lot of scientists and conservationists here a lot of science and science people that are listening to this group listening to this podcast. I want you guys to be there. [00:10:12] I want to see them. I want to meet you guys there. I want to have chats with you I want to have beers with you or coffee or tea or whatever you drink we want to. I want to have a chat with you while we’re down there or so go to AMCC five. [00:10:24] But don’t just listen to me. I want you to listen to Shelley Rori talk about what you see is for her. [00:10:31] Here we go. I’m CC provides an extra ordinary platform for scientists and conservation practitioners from a diverse background. Marine science and conservation success stories. [00:10:44] So everybody who wants to go to this conference if I have not made it and if I have not made it attractive enough for you to go and or I have done so I have done a good job. Please go to AMCC five dot com IMC C5 dot com. [00:10:59] So go to submit the abstracts submit your abstracts to left. I can’t wait to see you down there. [00:11:04] So let’s get on with the show. OK so the first the first story that we’re going to go through. [00:11:19] Is Patagonia. It is article off a tree hugger Patagonia wants more people to become environmental activists. And so how do you do that. How do you do that. The biggest thing and you know in my experience the biggest thing is when I when I started this podcast everybody’s like how can I how can I help. How can I do things how can I. Where can I go. What organizations the best organization in this and that. And you know I would direct people to organizations that I had some sort of knowledge of or either a relationship with or something like that I said Hey I’m involved in this. How about you doing this one or I’m involved in this. How about you join this one and or I know about this person who’s doing this work and I think that would be really good for you. And then I would direct them in their way or introduce them or something like that. Well Patagonia is gone and a lot of people within the industry will do that for her friends and family and people that they meet who want to do more for the ocean or more for the environment. But Patagonia went one step further and I really love this idea. They came up with a database that actually matches people. [00:12:20] With environmental organizations that need help. [00:12:23] So whether it’s probably more volunteer based I would imagine. But essentially what it does is it allows people to actually. You know go hook up with an organization. And do some great work. [00:12:39] And it takes away that barrier of well I’d love to make love to make a difference. But I just don’t know where to begin. We’ll begin with going with different organizations. Right. It’s not as if once you’re matched up with an organization then that becomes your organization for life but you might feel that way. Or you might go to different organizations until you find the one that you want to settle down with. It’s kind of like a dating site really but it’s not but it’s a dating site for environmental activism I guess and by activism it’s not necessarily menial lobbying and protesting and all that kind of stuff because I think a lot of people think that that’s what. You know it is. I don’t know. Let me know and the Facebook groups from blue dot com for such group. Do you think environmental activism is something that’s all about protesting. You know I’d love to hear that that opinion go on in that debate go on but because there’s always some form of activism going on. [00:13:29] But I love this project is based on the latest project called Patagonia action works and the article says it’s essentially a dating site. This is what the CEO and founder Eve she now called it jokingly for environmental or environmental protection organizations and want to be activists the site allows visitors to search different geographical regions and get connected with groups engage in a wide range of environmental protection work. [00:13:53] And then so he’s quote or she. He’s quoted as saying I’ve always known the cure for depression is action Patagonia’s reason for existence to force government and corporations to take action in solving our environmental problems. We’ve had lots of. You might call them victories. But recently things have gotten a little worse I’m assuming because of the government that’s in power and we’ve asked ourselves what can what more can we do. [00:14:16] And I think this is a great thing. Now Patagonia as a company has reportedly donated eighty nine million to environmental groups since its founding. [00:14:25] And the recipients of these grants are the environmental organizations listed in the new action action works website. In this way Patagonia’s can. This is right off the the tree hugger article by the way. Patagonia’s continuing its work by connecting new volunteers to organizations it cares about most. So it Patagonia gives money to groups working in the following four categories land water biodiversity climate is five categories here. But land water biodiversity climate and communities. So that’s pretty good. It’s a it’s a pretty cool. Thing to do. For an organization and I think it takes a lot of the barrier away from getting people involved. [00:15:05] And trying to get people involved and doing better for the environment. You know we. We see you know reports about a degrading environment a degrading ocean climate change is always a problem. And. [00:15:20] And people are just alluded to the fact that that’s what happens. They just sort of. [00:15:24] Have you know sometimes it feels like people have just sort of accepted the fact that we’re degrading the ocean and nothing’s really going to happen. You see a government that’s very against climate change you see governments around the world not just the U.S. But you see people who are who are destroying the environment in terms of industries you see environmental organizations that are trying to do their best and they have some successes. But overall you know are we. You know you can ask the question Are we losing this battle. [00:15:50] Is this something that we’re not winning because we’re not either it’s not a big enough voice or we don’t have enough people behind us. Now. I say this we’re getting more and more people behind the environmental movement. Right we are getting more and more people behind cars more more people are standing up. There are more people who are coming out and talking about climate change and how we need to address it and forcing governments to change we’re electing a lot of times and many places we’re electing governments who say they’re going to do something for climate change. Now whether they do it or not that’s that that’s the big difference. But that’s what we’re looking at. And I think it’s something that. Needs to be put in place and it’s a great idea I mean with technology today where you can have a website that matches based on what you want to change. So say you’re in you know you like hiking trails or you like nature you like hiking but there’s places in the world where the parks are being closed down where you know you can’t hike anymore or you know the trails aren’t safe for something like that you can get involved with the organization does that. It does. Nature trails or something like that and be involved in that or say you want to help protect the whales and you want to you know work with whale whale watching organizations or whale watching companies to make sure that they’re. Following protocols and everything like that. [00:17:05] There’s so many different things that you can do right you couldn’t even you know beach clean ups and watershed clean ups you know river cleanups you can work with Trout Unlimited who’s big organization and does a lot of great work and especially community based work with helping restore rivers and streams and stuff. There’s [00:17:25] just so many things you can do. But the thing is where do you begin. And I would say you begin with this Patagonia. [00:17:31] So I’m going to try and find the links I don’t know and the tree hugger article if they have links but there is a video on how it works I don’t know if it’s rolled out or not but I’ll put on bed that video on our website. So if you go speak up for blue dot com forge slash blog. You will be able to find it. It will be the most recent one in there for those of you who are not recent. It’s going to be session 432. So if you go speak blue dot com forward slash session 432. You’ll be able to find it. And so yes it’s a great great thing but I’d love to hear what you think about this do you think this is something that’s necessary do you think that’s something that you would use. Love to hear from you. Go to SpeakUpForBlue.com/group and join the Facebook group if you’re not join for those of you who are already in. I’d love to hear from you. I’d love to hear what you think. I’ll probably do a live on it today just to talk about what we’re you know what this environmental activism is all about and maybe find out more information on that. So go to the group. Check us out. Listen to the line. OK. [00:18:29] Let’s go on to my opinion piece. OK first today’s in this week’s opinion piece we’re again talking about information and how content is king on the Internet. [00:18:48] And people debate that all the time in the marketing world. And that’s where I learned it when I learned how to do online marketing. For this company to actually try and get you know increase my reach for this for this podcast. But it’s something that I’ve always I’ve always thought was great. You know when I first started podcasting you know I had to. You know put out a lot of content you know at first it was once a week and it was five days a week and then now it’s three it’s been three days a week for a year and a half. And. It wasn’t always the best. It wasn’t always my best performance it wasn’t always what I didn’t always articulate myself the best. However. I put up the content. And what sometimes I thought was not a great show. People said I love that show. [00:19:33] Or thank you for telling me about the story I did not know. And I always thought to myself you know if I just continue to do this consistently this podcasting consistently and put up content. [00:19:45] The content will win. I may not go viral. I may not be the top podcast on iTunes or stitcher or Spotify or anywhere else. But I will. I will I. I will get people to listen because they want to listen to this information. And that was it. That’s still important to me to this day we are growing by the way we’re about to pass 200000 downloads which is amazing this month. At the end of this month and. It’s something that I think content has always been important right content is king but what is in the content. And how much content is shared is also key. And this really came to a head last week. I was on Facebook as I normally am looking for stories chatting with people being in the group and in the group and as some other groups of podcasters and stuff like that. And I come across this this post that a bunch of people. Put. Put up and it’s a post about a conservative. Conservative leader for Canada. The Opposition Leader Andrew Scheer and he put up a video and it and it talked about. It talked about. What. Justin Trudeau the prime minister and his government was doing was against the Charter of Rights. Basically you know our Charter of Rights is what we followed like your. Constitution. For the U.S. people. [00:21:13] But our Charter of Rights is very important to everybody as the Constitution is in the U.S. and he was saying in the video without specifically saying what he did he’s talked about a summer jobs program where employers who want to hire some students or people in the say I guess so some are students they would have to sign. An agreement with the government on how to manage students in terms of. Basic rights. And when I mean basic rights it was right to have individual freedoms right to be any gender race or culture all that kind of stuff. It was really basic stuff that was probably that is in the Charter of Rights. Now. The problem is with this video is the the Andrew Scheer the leader the kids are probably never actually said what they had to sign never read what they had to sign. All he talked about was slamming the prime minister for saying he’s making these businesses sign this it’s government regulation it’s government oversight and it’s this government trying to tell people what to do. Now what Garlett of people’s opinions on that. He never gave full information to that and ended up having to be a big deal because I went on to read a little bit more from a CBC Web site that said this is the issue with this whole summer jobs program and what was happening is because they had to sign that you know people had individual rights. In that that what was understood what people took offensive were Christians who are anti abortion. [00:22:47] I guess advocates were disappointed that they had to sign that or that was a big issue because now I don’t like the idea was you can’t fire or treat someone differently because they had an abortion I guess is what it is and people are saying well this is it goes against Christian values saying that well we don’t believe in abortion. We don’t want abortion. [00:23:06] You know to be to be a choice. You know we just we. If you have if you get pregnant you get pregnant that’s I mean we all know the debate. [00:23:13] And I’m not trying to debate this by any means. I’m not trying to debate this. But the whole point of the story was that he failed to bring out that information. He didn’t even read what they had to say what the employers had to sign and when I read it I’m looking at it like this is like for the most people like 90 percent of the population I hope will read this and be like. Oh this is not a problem. This is. [00:23:34] You know government should. [00:23:36] I understand the fact that governments are trying to make these people sign that. But it’s really should be under law anyway. So the fact that you know we know students like students summer jobs you know a lot of times are treated like crap. So you know from both sides. But. You know this is just goes to show like this government is trying to be inclusive is trying to make sure that everybody’s rights are followed and people didn’t like it. However the point of the story is this video didn’t show or didn’t talk about what the employees actually had to sign because really wasn’t in my opinion wasn’t that big of a deal and I think it gave it would have given if he did talk about it it would have given people the information so that they can make an informed decision. [00:24:15] But without saying that they just kind of crucified the Prime Minister and say this is what he’s doing now whether you agree with it or not that’s fine. But if you get all the information. You can make a better informed decision. Whether you vote liberal whether you vote Conservative or where you vote Democrat or Republican it’s about giving out the information. I know this is how politics works but I’m getting sick of it. [00:24:36] And then I’ve see the other side there was another story where again Canadian politics story. Prime Minister Trudeau IV traveled across the country and was doing town hall meeting. A lot of times what Obama did but he would travel across Iowa. He’s done this a couple of times and he always gets crucified in the media for stuff that he says because it’s literally you. You can’t practice what people are going to ask you and you can’t practice the answers of what people are going to ask you. And there was this one video of a veteran who got up he lost his leg in Afghanistan and he was basically having a having a problem saying that look you gave a known terrorist a mere Khadar or Khadar. I forget his first name sorry. You know there was a settlement that gave this kid who was apparently mistreated by dead by Canada. It was a court settlement that gave him like 20 million dollars in damages because he was the Canada should never have given him up to the U.S. where he went to Guantanamo Bay when he was like a teenager and all this kind of stuff. But the veteran was like hey you know you gave him so much money but you’re not giving us anything. [00:25:44] As as a as a restitution for what we did. [00:25:49] You know what we volunteered for and the loss of limbs and things like this. And you know Trudeau base the video stops when after Trudeau says we’ll look you know we are working with veterans groups in courts because veterans groups are asking too much of the government right now and then the video ends. And of course you hear booing from the town hall and everything like that. And this is not. I’m not pro Trudeau on this I’m not pro veterans on this. This is just the issue. OK. I just wanted to lay out the issue. The problem is is the video never actually informs one of those videos we have music in the background then you have all this text at the bottom like on Facebook. You normally see and then you hear little clips of what people are saying and stuff like that. And you know traduce has been been constantly fly for this for his response. But what happens is people never really know the truth of what’s going on. What are the demands of the veterans. What what is the government trying to give the veterans and whatnot so I ran. [00:26:46] I went off and I read. And apparently the you know it’s a long story and will go into but there’s more information in that. And so for me politically it doesn’t matter what side you lean on on each issue is I think we should be giving. [00:26:59] Everything to that issue. We should be given all the information to the people. And giving access to that information to the people in these videos. And I know these are slam videos. That’s what these are there. The opposition party that’s going against the government. And they’re just they’re slamming them for what they’re trying to do. Whether they agree with him or not but they’re getting their voters and their supporters all up in a tizzy over all this but without giving the proper information because these are not necessarily the you know these are not huge huge issues when you look at the entire story. But. You know people don’t look into the entire story and they just believe these videos and probably why Trump got elected. You know it’s politicians not getting the full story. That’s a long way of getting to my point of this opinion piece and I think we should be doing the same thing. With the information that we provide for marine science and conservation. We should be taking the exact same way as scientists do. And looking at. You know and trying not to be bias. Now of course I am biased and I am I am guilty of this. And this is why I think it hit so hard is when you see it on a different platform and you realize you’re not getting all the information. It’s frustrating and you see the responses from people lashing out at a prime minister at a president and not getting all the information because of the bias of the media or the person you know giving you the message. [00:28:28] That is the the. That is the problem. And I find like I’m try try and give you know both sides story all the information so that you can make an informed decision whether you agree with me or not is not the point is the whole point is. Here’s the information. Right. Here’s what’s happening to the ocean. You know here’s why we need marine protected areas. And here’s what marine protected areas do. But this is how rumors like this don’t work when we’re not enforced and they become paper parks and all this kind of stuff or you know you see like our Canadian government has put in some marine protected areas in the past that have been kind of questionable and not connected not science driven. [00:29:03] It’s all cultured culturally driven which is important but it’s not should not be the king of of how we do marine protectors should be part of the process. But you know you have to be critical and you have to give both sides of the story and I take it upon myself to try and give as much information as possible then give my opinion at the end because it is my show I can give my opinion. But I always loved the fact when people come up with different opinions because sometimes it makes me think about my own and maybe I’m just too quick to judge on a certain situation. I don’t see the other side and I think that’s really good. There are people in the group here in our Facebook group that really provide a different side of things not in a bad way not. You know it’s it’s no good or bad it just makes people think in a different way. And I think it’s great because you don’t get the extreme people from either side saying no it’s this way or the highway. [00:29:52] And I think every issue has has two sides a story of a story and we need to see both sides before we can actually make an opinion. Right. You give them the facts. They make an opinion just like what I’m doing. This podcast is I taking the facts and then I tell you the facts but I also give you my opinion. And I think that’s where. And then we have a group where we can interact if you have a difference of opinion or you agree or we try and build on that opinion or build on on a movement or something that we want to do. That’s what we need to do. You know something that’s interesting is you see a lot of there was a discussion on marine conservation happy hour recording which is coming up very shortly and I keep teasing of what’s coming up very shortly. Where we we discussed. You know. Going to education centers like aquariums. [00:30:37] And especially ones that have marine mammal captives and they’re giving out the wrong information. SeaWorld is out the wrong information and there’s other places they give out the wrong information. And it’s because you know that it’s not necessarily because they want to because you know the people who are giving the information are not educated enough they’re just getting the information from their employer and their employer dictating whether information gets put out whether it’s right or wrong or whether they really care or not. That was another issue that we talked about. So I think. You know. When you when you see that it’s just like no let’s give it the right education. [00:31:10] Right first has to be correct. [00:31:12] Second it has to be all of the educations that especially when you’re looking at a controversial issue. You want to make sure that it’s given out and then you let people form their opinions. You don’t want to in a political forum you let them vote whichever way they want but you give them all the information. Now of course both sides want to manipulate the information or manipulate the message so that they come out looking the hero or looking the right in the right. But. [00:31:37] That’s not it shouldn’t always be the case. We should just let people go and I know I know you know the media was supposed to be the place where you find that. [00:31:45] In the past it has been anyway. But lately it just hasn’t been you go to Fox and you know you’ll get one side of the story. You’ll go to MSNBC you get another side you go CNN you get another side. So. [00:31:56] You really can’t trust the media almost needs certain organizations like scientists to give you the basics on science because it should be from a non biased way. You know a nonbiased perspective. And I think that’s really important when you look at journalism and I never considered myself a journalist. I always consider myself a scientist that just want to communicate this stuff and I still kind of do. [00:32:18] But you stuff to adhere to what journalists do and and try and put things in a in a in a way that it’s unbiased right you can put your opinion at the end I have no problem with that. But you have to put something on by so. So and this is really a message for myself as well as to you guys who are trying who are also trying to provide communication to whether you are teaching in classes for young kids. Wade you’re teaching for adult groups whether you’re out there on the internet talking about your work and what it means to you and what the results are. You know you want to be able to tell people all the information and let them form their own opinion and you can tell. This is the site these are the two sides of the controversial opinion you get to pick your side if you’d like to. You are a control over that all you have control is what information comes out. And I think you know being transparent like a scientist you can actually give people the opportunity to make their own opinions you may not like their opinions that they make but at least you can give all information and you won’t be accused of of sort of manipulating that information to make yourself look better. So that’s the opinion that I have love to hear your opinion on this go to the Facebook group speak up for blue dot com for its last group. Let me know what you think. If you haven’t joined use your Facebook account join the group and we’ll have a great conversation on that. [00:33:34] Let’s go to our last story. OK so. There’s been a lot of news about fish farming especially salmon aquaculture. And I can tell you that you know looking at the information here the big issue. In salmon farming especially. Is the open Penn farm. So. [00:34:01] As we know Salman will go into rivers and breed and they’ll at certain times of the year and then they’ll come out of the rivers and go into the ocean. There are any dramas fish. And. There are a number of fish that do that. But Salmon really popular for aquaculture so they can be reared in a facility on land. But then eventually they have to go out in saltwater. And that’s where they grow. So. The way. Salmon farms work. Is. There’s an open pan aspect of salmon farming where these fish are in nets in the ocean so they can escape. Hopefully. And they are grown. Now there’s a couple of problems that people have with that one you are putting fish into a net. That is highly concentrated. Of fish with fish and they’re they’ve got to poop they’ve got they’ve got they’ve got excrete. So all the stuff that they excrete goes down to the bottom of that net on the floor on the seafloor. And then that gets broken down. There’s a bit of hypoxic areas that are you know or high nitrogen or high ammonia levels within those areas of the excrement. That’s been a problem in the past now like the Pens have to go into certain spots. They have to be sited properly where there’s enough currents to actually move things like you know move the waste out and ensure that there’s proper mixing and everything like that. [00:35:25] Lately there’s been a lot of contention on the fact that there’s a lot of disease that comes out of these pens because they’re so packed there’s different feed and whatnot are now feeding on what they would feed in the ocean but they have specific feed to make them grow faster and stronger and bigger and it’s become a big problem because there’s been diseases like sea lice and stuff like that have not only introduced within the aquaculture facility these open pens but then have gotten out into the ocean. And then it can affect you know you have Atlantic salmon in the Pacific Ocean introducing parasites. [00:36:00] From different parts of the world. Some of these salmon are coming from different parts of the world and then it goes into the ocean and then it affects the wild stocks and there was already problems the wild stocks that’s why you have aquaculture. Now there’s the other aspect of aquaculture feasible 50 percent of the world or will be feeding 50 percent the world at some point because we have such a big population are overfishing is out of control. So we need to make sure that we have enough fish because most people rely on fish for protein. I mean we all know the seafood industry the meat industry is just in a bit of chaos right now because there’s a lot of information against eating meat and even against eating farmed salmon. [00:36:37] So a lot of people want wild salmon it’s just a pig. There’s a lot of issues going on. In Norway. There is a big salmon aquaculture Atlantic salmon aquaculture industry. And lately there’s anything that’s been causing a problem. And that’s. For the aquaculture industry. There’s been a big problem of die offs mass die offs. Every once in a while. And so imagine you put a bunch of money into rearing these fish. From the industry side and you want to be you know you depend on healthy big salmon to sell to the markets or wherever you’re selling to. That’s how you make a living. Know like a farmer fish farmer. And then all of a sudden you know and this is this is the problem with you know working in a natural environment. You get a wipe out of your entire year your entire year class. All of them go all the fish die. You can’t sell them. Yet to get rid of them somehow. Big cost a lot of loss of revenue from not selling. And then the additional cost of actually getting rid of the salmon. So that’s been a big problem. And apparently according to an article in Hawkeye magazine which is a great online publication by the way. Gloria Dickey authored a publication that came out February 9th on what’s going on in northern Norway. And Ryckfjord fjord. I hope I pronounce that right. Ryckfjord Ford fjord were you know fish farms with two large open pendants floating some 200 meters above the sea floor have had some major problems. [00:38:14] They’ve been rearing it since 1999 and in September 2015 the farm experienced for its fourth mass die off of salmon since 2002. And according to a paper released late 2017. The killers appear to be jellyfish. And that’s something cinching. So what happens is a jellyfish bloom wanders into the pen floats into the pen and kills all the fish because the fish have nowhere to escape because they’re in a net and then you get these these jellyfish that can actually fit through the net. Whatever size they are and basically kill them a stamp to death I assume and then they they just get a fix. They can’t move they can’t go anywhere then they die. [00:38:56] But it wasn’t until this law the most recent die off that a an ecologist Claudia Howl’s ban from ACT ACVR planned Neiva a private research firm realizing when she caught this in the act so she had been working with the industry. The salmon companies and once that started to happen they call them she came over she took water samples and noticed that there were bits and pieces of jellyfish in there. Now she’s noticed this before and in past events but she couldn’t make a final conclusion because. [00:39:30] The results didn’t show a ton because she got there late or she didn’t get there in time. But it seems to be jellyfish now. The important thing about this story is the implications of the future. Now like I said before. Salmon aquaculture and other aquaculture are going to be more and more reliant upon because we’re going to need food. In our population were past surpassed 8 billion people on the planet we’re probably going to be at 9 billion within no time. And we. We will not have enough food. We will start running out of food. [00:40:02] And so when we overfish you’re not going to get a lot of wild stocks. Fish farming is touted as the way of the future for fish protein. [00:40:12] Which is you know heavily relied on by a lot of different people around the world. [00:40:17] And so now you have this situation where you have these open pens you’re dealing with oceans that are going through mass changes you’re seeing major eutrophication. So a major increase in nitrogen and hypoxic areas and whatnot in the lack of oxygen areas in the air along the coast which we’ve covered recently. [00:40:37] We’ve seen climate change effects so ocean acidification really messing with the ocean chemistry. We’ve seen high sea surface temperature which is changing the behavior of animals. We’ve seen mass. We’re seeing mass and this is the important part. Mass jellyfish blooms. That are increasing. [00:40:56] So as climate change increases jellyfish populations are supposed to increase as well. And that is a problem. Especially when you’re looking at this situation with the salmon and the gelati killing being killed by the jellyfish. Another reason why we need to really reduce climate change or. Or. Stop using open pens and bringing them on land and having these major facilities with saltwater. [00:41:21] Which will take away a lot of the issues with I think with aquaculture in terms of their effect on the natural ocean world. But is probably a lot more expensive. And will drive up the costs at the beginning. But that’s I think is where we’re going to. When you have areas and jellyfish come in based on currents. Based on maybe change in currents or they can’t swim against a current they just kind of float within the current. From what I know anyway. Can’t be too sure about that but from my marine biology experience that’s what I’ve seen in the past. And so. You know if you if this fjord the Ryckfjord if if it is constantly being bombarded or every once in a while being bombarded with. Schools of jellyfish that are killing salmon. You’ve got a problem with this company or for these companies they are going to have to move. Areas or different site. Which come with a lot of different problems. Or they going to deal with it in some kind of way and I don’t know how you deal with it. You put nets up. You put it. I don’t know. I really don’t know. This is a big problem. So. The idea here is to say the point of this story is to say. Holy cow we’ve got a big problem. Now. You could fix this. Two ways well both ways reduce climate change impacts. Right by actually following the Paris climate change accord. Or bring open pens onto land. Right. [00:42:55] Bring that salt water facility and create an actual land facility. I guess just like aquariums. That is how it goes. That’s how it’s going to be. So that’s an inch an interesting. Point. In. Fish farming history. [00:43:13] How how this is going to happen and I’m I’m interested in seeing the results of this because this is going to happen more often than not. I think in the future with jellyfish and I think that’s a big risk for business to take. And you know the only person who’s going to pay for those are the consumer of fish farms of fish. Sam salmon are fished seafood are farmed seafood Zuri farmed salmon farms seafood. That’s really what’s going to come down to. So I’d love to hear your opinion on that. Do you think the future’s going do you think you know. Do you think there’s going to be an actual fish farm on land that has saltwater fish now instead of open pens. Do you think they’re going to ignore it because it’s not happening often enough. Love to hear your opinions because blue dot com forward slash group. And of course if you want to get more information the transcript for this I’m sorry to post transcripts on the Web site it says Speak Up for blue dot com for its last session 432. You’re more welcome to go by there anytime. Take a look. Read the read the transcripts just let you know those transfers I just started this new service. It’s an AI form of of translating or transcribing this so it’s not perfect. Of course I don’t announce here every word. So the computer does not pick all that stuff up so you’ll see some really weird things but I thought it would be nice to have that on the blog post anyway. [00:44:36] Speak up for a blue dot com for its last session four hundred thirty two. Love to hear your review on ARS about this episode or on our podcast on iTunes because we’re at the end of the show people and I love the fact that you’re listening to this. I want to know how you feel. Some people have told me personally I’d love to see you guys give us a rating and review in iTunes or Spotify if you can. We’re on Spotify. Tune in. You can I just I’m just invested in some Alexa. The eco dot and the eco and there is some pretty cool stuff coming out of there you can actually listen to my podcast on Alexa which is kind of cool. So that will be a lot of fun in the future. I’ll show you I’ll show that off on our on our Instagram page soon. But thank you very much for listening. I really appreciate it. You guys are absolutely amazing. I love talking to you guys in a group and I love the fact that I’m going to be doing some live shows as well. And I get to interact with you more so that’s always going to be fun. So thank you very much for listening. You have been listening to the speaker for blue podcast. I am her host Andrew Lewin. Have a happy Monday. We’ll talk to you on Wednesday we’re going to talk about the Canadian fisheries act stuff coming up but we’re talking about the Canadian fisheries act how important that is for policy to change. [00:45:47] We’re going to be talking to Brett Dr. Brett Favaro who who’s amazing at this and he’s done a lot of work on this and following it and actually has some great suggestions about this. That’s on Wednesday. [00:45:57] We’ll see you then. Happy Conservation.
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