All The Sharks Netflix: Aliah Banchik Shares Behind-the-Scenes Stories from the Shark Game Show

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We have a bit of a celebrity on the

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podcast today on the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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We have Aliyah Bancik, who is one of the

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stars and contestants of

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the new Netflix show. I guess

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it's a competition show. I always saw the

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game show, but it's

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competition show called All the

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Sharks. So if you want to see one of the

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sharks, you're not just

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going to see one of the sharks,

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you're not going to see the main sharks

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that you normally see, tiger

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sharks, great white sharks,

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and so forth. You are going to see all

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the sharks. And I want to give it away

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where we're going to

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hear a bit of the behind the scenes from

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Aliyah. And we're also going

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to hear about all her other

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projects because she is a busy woman and

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you have to hear this on

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this episode of the Beyond

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Jaws podcast. Let's start the show. Hey

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everybody, welcome back to another

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exciting episode of the

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Beyond Jaws podcast. I am your co-host,

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Andrew Lewin here with my

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co-host, Dr. David Ebert. Dave,

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this is a show that it's been a, we

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haven't done one in a while about

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someone's been on a show.

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It's quite exciting. What are you looking

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forward to this interview? Well, I don't,

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Alia is one of the few people I don't

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really know much about. She actually

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recommended her for the show.

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I've seen her on social media, but I

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don't really know her at all. So I'm

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really looking forward to this.

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It's going to be an exciting exploration

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for me. But I guess I don't

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really know more about. And so,

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yeah, I know going through her her

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materials, I didn't even

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know where to start. So,

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so I guess once we start the show, we

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have nothing, we won't have any shortage

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of things to talk about

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with her. And yeah, I certainly want to

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hear about her new Netflix

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show, though I don't want spoiler

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alert. I haven't seen it yet. So I don't

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want to get, don't give it

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away while we're on the show.

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No, exactly. But I'm looking forward to

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it. And I've all heard

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good things about her. So I'm

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really looking forward to having her

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talking to her here. Yeah, for sure. I

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had her on the show,

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her and her co-founder of the Finstitute,

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Luca on the show about a

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year ago on how to protect the

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ocean just over a year ago. And we've

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been waiting to have her on

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this podcast. So, you know,

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obviously we have a lot of, we had a

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lineup of amazing guests

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that we've had on the past year.

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And then it just so happened that she was

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coming out with this show,

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which I didn't know about

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until about a week before. And I was

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like, and I told Dave, I'm

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like, Dave, we got to get this

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person on normally, like just to be on

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the full, full disclosures.

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Dave has so many connections

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within the shark world that usually he

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gets the guests. And I'm

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just like all along for the ride

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as a co-host. I'm like, okay, like I'll

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do a lot of the technical

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stuff, ask some questions here

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and there. But Dave has the history. He's

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got the experience and the

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relationship with that person.

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But this time I was able to get it. So I

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kind of feel a little good. Like this is

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our guest, but I was like, I'm the one to

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you. And so it's fun to be

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able to switch that a little

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bit. And you know, hear Dave like kind of

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discover through the, through the

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questions. And it's kind

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of a fun thing to do to switch it up

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every once in a while. But she is great.

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Like she, you'll see,

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she has a lot of energy. She's done a lot

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of stuff. She's got a

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lot of skills. You know,

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we're looking at her CV and we're just

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like, holy cow. Like how

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do you get all this done

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in such a short amount of time? And so

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definitely an up and coming star. So

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let's get started with

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the interview. Here's the interview with

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Leah Benchik talking about

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a number of different things

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within the shark world, fit the

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finstitute naked for nature. She's also

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talking about her show,

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all the sharks on Netflix. You can watch

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it now in Canada is

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number seven out of the top 10.

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That's huge. And it took over another

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shark film that we're not

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really going to talk about.

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And I can't wait to talk about. So here's

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the episode. Here's the

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interview. Enjoy. And I'll

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talk to you after. I am so excited for

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this. Aaliyah, welcome to

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the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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Are you ready to talk about everything

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about sharks, but including flat sharks?

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Yes, yes, I am. I'm so excited to be

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here. Thank you so much for having me.

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Right on. You bet. Well, welcome everyone

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to another episode of

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the Beyond Jaws podcast,

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where we have another rising star in the

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shark world with an

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awesome guest, Aaliyah Benchik,

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who recently just finished her MSC at

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James Cook University

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in Townsville, Australia.

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And just to preface this, Aaliyah has

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such a prolific portfolio

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that probably take me 20

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minutes or at least a third of the

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episode to just cover everything. So I'm

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just going to give you a

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few bullet points and we'll kind of go

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from there and bring Aaliyah

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in here. Amongst some of her

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highlights. So she's the co-founder

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president of the Fin Institute.

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Finstitute. Sorry about that.

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A student led conservation consortium

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with over 200 members. And she's also

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founder of the Naked

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for Nature, which I want to find out more

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about that. An ocean

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conservation, digital media and

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underwater photography group. She's a

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dive master, PADI assistant instructor,

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drone pilot, flat shark

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enthusiast. I don't know about go sharks,

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Jeff. Well, I'm sure we'll find out

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during the interview.

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And so she currently in her current

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position, she's a projects and

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communications coordinator

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for the Sydney Institute of Marine

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Science in Sydney, Australia. Her

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schooling background is she

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did a BSC in marine biology, Spanish and

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psychology at Tulane University. Wow,

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that's a lot of work.

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James Cook University. And with that,

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Aaliyah, welcome to the show.

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Oh my gosh, thank you so much. Thank you

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so much for the run through of my, my

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whole history. That's wild to hear.

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Let's be honest, this history, you are

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fairly young. We're not

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going to ask your age, of course,

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but you're fairly young in this business.

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so, so much. So it's kind of,

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it's kind of interesting to be able to

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have you on the podcast. It is

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interesting to have you on

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the podcast because, you know, this is

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somebody I, you're somebody I

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wanted to have on the podcast

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for a long time. And then all of a

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sudden, you know, two weeks ago, you

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start posting about this

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show that's coming out on Netflix called

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All the Sharks. And I'm

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like, okay, we have to arrange

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something. I watched it all on Friday

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when it came out July 4th. And I was

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like, I finished it six

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hours straight. I may have gotten up

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once. I told you before I didn't get, I

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probably got up once

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ago, grab somebody to eat. But I was like

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standing up. I was very much

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into this and I was texting

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Dave. I'm like, Dave, they have hound

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sharks on this. They have all these

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different sharks on this.

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And he's like, I got to, I got to see

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this. But anyway, it's awesome. I love

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the show. And, and like

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people will probably hear my review

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before this episode is posted

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on how to protect the ocean.

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But it was, it was great. But what's also

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great is all the stuff that

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you've done before. So today,

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we're going to get into all of that. But

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we, we always start off the

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show of just sort of like,

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how did you get interested in, in the

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ocean and, and sharks? Cause

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I know you grew up in New York

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city. You know, you had an ocean beside

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you, but probably when you

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grew up, it may not have,

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it was on the rise to come back, but it

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was still pretty nasty water

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in there in that harbor. It's

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better now, but it was pretty nasty. So

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how did you get involved in

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the ocean? How did you get

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interested in the ocean? You know, I was

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actually, I was trying to

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reflect on this because I realized

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I didn't really have the answer to that

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question, like truly thought

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through. But now that I have,

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I realized that I've traced it all the

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way back to an incredible TV

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show called River Monsters with

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Jeremy Wade. Does anybody know River

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Monsters? Yes. Yes. I was obsessed with

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him and I was obsessed

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with the show. And it wasn't because I

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was like, wow, fish are so

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cool. It was because I was like,

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that is the most terrifying thing I could

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ever imagine doing. And I

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think the whole love for the

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ocean and love for sharks all came back

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to like initial feelings of

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fear because I was that person

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that was just absolutely petrified of the

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ocean, like would not go in past my

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knees, like literally

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wouldn't open my eyes at a swimming pool.

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I mean, like I wouldn't go

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underwater in a swimming pool

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because I thought that that would be a

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great white shark in front of me if I

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opened my eyes, which is like,

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what? Yeah. Yeah. I was like, genuinely,

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like unrealistically scared

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of any open body of water.

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But it clearly had that fascination still

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all the way at the very

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beginning when I was watching River

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Monsters and, you know, just scaring the

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crap out of myself every day.

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So then in high school, I had

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the opportunity to take either an

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elective, but that was either a strong

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astronomy. I always get

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their astronomy and or marine biology.

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Right. And astronomy was

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full. So I ended up in marine

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biology and I remember learning about

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great white sharks and like counter

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shading on them as an example.

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And I just was like fascinated by the

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fact that they have like a natural like

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cloak of invisibility

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pretty much. And I remember just that

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specific thing just like

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really, really interested me

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and that they had been around like since

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before dinosaurs, like

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all these facts. I was like,

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holy cow, it's actually kind of cool. And

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then I just realized like

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the more and more that we had

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that that shark unit in that class, I

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learned about their behavior and learn

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about like, you know, very basic level,

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of course, but like, you know, why they

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do the things that they do that they're

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not actually after humans everywhere they

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go. I really thought they were.

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And so that just made me kind of inch

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closer and closer and closer into the

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water every time I would go to like, we

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had like a family house in in Florida.

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Every time I would go, I would just get a

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little bit deeper into the water until it

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all clicked and I no longer feared them.

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And in fact, I was

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fascinated by them as they say.

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From fear to fascination. And yeah, it's

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kind of it's my parents worst nightmare,

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but that's now my career.

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Well, what really gone to fascination? I

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mean, underwater photos diving with

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sharks in this in this show, you're

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diving with sharks, like all types of

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sharks, you know, tiger sharks, like, and

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like just everything from like hound

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sharks and tiger sharks to skates and

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rays. And it's amazing how you're able to

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how you're able to do

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that going from such a fear.

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Do you ever look back and just be like,

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man, I've I've like, this has really

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changed. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Especially like my parents, like, I

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remember my dad, he's like, he's been a

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diver forever. And he actually is the one

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who forced me against my

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will to get certified at 11.

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Right. Scuba certified. I was like, still

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in the height of my fear at the ocean at

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that point. So like every time we were

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doing the dives, I was like glued onto

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his arm, like no separation between us.

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But like, I do remember going on a

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snorkel with him in the

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Bahamas once upon a time.

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And, you know, just sand. There's

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literally nothing. It's crystal clear

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water. It's just sand. And I saw a one of

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the big starfish is. Yeah. And ran on

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water. Like, I was petrified. I was like,

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get me out. Get me out.

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Get me out. Get me out. Get me out. Yeah.

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I was like, what is wrong with you? So,

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yeah, we've definitely come a long way

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from from that, from running from

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starfish. What are your parents? I mean,

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at what point when you're growing up, did

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you just did you decide? Did you make the

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switch? Like, okay, dad, I'm going to

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actually go be a marine biologist.

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You know, I think it was actually like

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that. I was never one of those kids that

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was like, oh, I want to be a marine

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biologist when I'm older. And like, I had

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no idea what I was what I really wanted

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to be until I'm like in it. I still don't

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know what I want to be. I know who I want

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to be. I want to be a good and natured,

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genuine, curious person. And I don't know

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what necessarily career that's going to

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land me in. But yeah, I never knew that I

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wanted to do marine biology. But to

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answer your question a

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little bit more directly.

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I start so my bachelor's, my undergrad

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degree is psychology. And then the minor

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was marine biology and Spanish. And I

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didn't I didn't go into school thinking,

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okay, yes, I'm gonna go get a bachelor's

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of science so that I can set myself up to

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do marine biology later if I wanted to do

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a master's. That was

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never in the cards for me.

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Right. It's just I had done a semester

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abroad in Australia during my undergrad.

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And I was like, wow, I want to get back

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there somehow some way. What better way

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than to study further and do an education

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degree because you know, or a marine

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biology degree because you

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know, you can get a student visa.

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Yeah, relatively easily than other visas.

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And yeah, maybe I can get a scholarship

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and all that stuff. So I just kind of

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looked into like you said and James Cook

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University as to the options that I

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really wanted to go to and found out that

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I actually didn't need to do another

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degree. Like I already had the

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prerequisite, which was a Bachelor of

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Science, which I got blindly lucky doing

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because in a lot of schools,

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yeah, psychology and art, right? Exactly.

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Psychology is usually like a Bachelor of

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Arts. So I got just, again, this is what

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I was saying, like so lucky in my career,

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where I was like, oh, my gosh, I could

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actually apply and get into a master's

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degree in marine biology with my

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psychology degree. Yeah, you just say

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yourself like 80 grand. I know. Oh, my

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God. And like so much mental stress. Holy

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cow. Yeah, for sure.

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Now, when you when you did it, you did a

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semester abroad at James Cook, and then

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is already a semester abroad at UCID,

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actually. So I've

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never been to town before.

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Oh, okay. Okay. So how did you hook up

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with a professor there at James Cook?

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So I ended up like, when I when I did get

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to James Cook University, that's when I

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just kind of started talking to a bunch

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of people. But like, I

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didn't know anybody beforehand.

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Oh, because the degree is not like a it's

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not a research thesis, right? It's more

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of a class base. Is that what it is?

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Exactly. So it's a master's degree by

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coursework. And so the first year, so

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it's an interesting and ever evolving,

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like structure at JSU. But the, the one

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that I did, which was a master's of

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marine biology, you have one year of

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coursework. And then you either can do a

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placement like an internship of some

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sort, or you can do one year of research.

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So I did the one year of research. And

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that's, yeah, I so I got to like mingle

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and meet people, and then figure out who

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I wanted as my advisors. And yeah, so it

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was it was nice. I didn't have to like

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have an idea and jump into it.

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So, okay, so for your master's, you did

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you did your you did the research thing,

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and but you didn't have to have a, you

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didn't have to have an

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advisor when you started out or?

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Not not when we started out, which is

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actually one of the things that I like, I

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didn't know anything about this. And I

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didn't I never even considered doing

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research to be completely honest. We can

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probably get into this in a little bit.

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But like, with ADHD and dyslexia, like I

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just was like, I'm better at doing things

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like physically doing things, hands on

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things, like not behind the scenes and

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not reading papers and like crunching

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numbers, like I want to be hands on. But

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yeah, having that first year of coursework, I was like, I want to be hands on.

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But yeah, having that first year of

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coursework, which was also great because

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again, I studied psychology, mainly, I

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got to get like some very awesome entry

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level classes that just kind of like

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level the playing field

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in marine biology subjects.

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And then during that time, I got to

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figure out what I wanted to do. I didn't

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just have to like, you know, be like,

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Okay, I'm gonna go for sharks. Because if

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I did, I probably would have ended up in

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the coral department. Because I had some

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experience doing like core restoration

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work with the Core

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Restoration Foundation.

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And I was like, this is great. So if I

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had just had to like blindly choose a

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subject, that was the only thing that I

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really had experience, and I probably

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would have ended up

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there. But I like to explore.

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It's such a great opportunity for you.

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Because one, you're going to a different

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country. And like to go and just be able

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to find someone like to just, you know,

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cold call or cold email, like a

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professor, like you would traditionally

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do here in the US. And then, you know,

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get to know them, they don't know you

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this, so they may not accept you as a

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student, or they may accept someone

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closer to home. But then going to there

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taking a year of courses getting used to

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the program, getting used to living in

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Townsville, like that's, so we can get

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into because that's, that's what I wanted to do.

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Because that's, that's, I heard that. And

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then you get to, so then you get to know

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some of the professors just through,

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through coursework, and you get to

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understand the lay of the land. And then

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you really get to do research, you are,

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that starts to come into your focus and

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be like, Oh, maybe I can do this. So as

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someone who I don't have ADHD, I don't

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have dyslexia. So, but I know a lot of

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people who struggle with that in their

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coursework, even like elementary school,

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high school, you know, university.

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What is it about research for you, like

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you kind of mentioned a little bit just

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doing the reviews and the readings and

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stuff like that. What made you decide I

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can actually do this and I can probably

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succeed in this rather than doing

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something more, more hands on?

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Yeah, you know, I think this is like,

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this is a pretty interesting question

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because it brings to light the limiting

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beliefs that I just was harboring

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unknowingly. I just assumed that was out

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of the question. I was like, I'm not made

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for that. Like, I will

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not do well in that field.

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And I also had the intrinsic belief that

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I later found out is it not not true at

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all, that research was the opposite of

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like creative. So I thought that like if

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I did, if I did something else, then

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that's when I'd be able to use creativity

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and like, you know, maybe do science

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communication, something

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that I'm more comfortable with.

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And I just assumed that research is like

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you don't have control over anything like

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you're doing a research project, you have

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to stay in those parameters. Like I also

532
01:17:14,583 --> 01:17:16,458
thought like the project was given to you

533
01:17:16,458 --> 01:17:17,791
by someone else. So like you don't even

534
01:17:17,791 --> 01:17:18,750
get to choose what you study.

535
01:17:18,750 --> 01:17:20,958
Like I had so many misconceptions because

536
01:17:20,958 --> 01:17:23,708
I never even looked into research as an

537
01:17:23,708 --> 01:17:25,333
opportunity because I was just like,

538
01:17:25,333 --> 01:17:29,208
that's not me. Like I can't. And I don't

539
01:17:29,208 --> 01:17:31,583
know what prompted this, but I ended up

540
01:17:31,583 --> 01:17:32,958
reaching out to one of the course

541
01:17:32,958 --> 01:17:35,041
directors for my, for my program.

542
01:17:35,083 --> 01:17:40,208
Mia who can boom. And I was like, Hey, I

543
01:17:40,208 --> 01:17:41,791
know I'm at that place right now where I

544
01:17:41,791 --> 01:17:45,083
need to choose between research and like

545
01:17:45,083 --> 01:17:48,500
a placement. And I just kind of, I had a

546
01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:51,041
little tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny little bit

547
01:17:51,041 --> 01:17:53,750
in my mind that was like, but it'd be so

548
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:55,041
badass if like you did do research.

549
01:17:55,083 --> 01:17:58,625
Yeah, I'm like, what if like, imagine

550
01:17:58,625 --> 01:18:00,541
like I was visualizing myself as a

551
01:18:00,541 --> 01:18:01,958
researcher, somebody who has done

552
01:18:01,958 --> 01:18:03,708
research and I was just like, wow, that

553
01:18:03,708 --> 01:18:05,208
would be really cool. Let me just like,

554
01:18:05,208 --> 01:18:06,791
you know, check with me and make sure

555
01:18:06,791 --> 01:18:08,000
that I was right about

556
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,791
all my preconceptions.

557
01:18:11,291 --> 01:18:12,333
And then I'll just move on with my

558
01:18:12,333 --> 01:18:13,458
placement and be proud of myself, you

559
01:18:13,458 --> 01:18:15,250
know, and I met with her and I was like,

560
01:18:15,250 --> 01:18:16,916
Hey, okay. So like, I just want to make

561
01:18:16,916 --> 01:18:19,833
sure I'm on the right page here. Research

562
01:18:19,833 --> 01:18:21,041
just doesn't seem like I can do it.

563
01:18:21,083 --> 01:18:23,916
Also, it just feels like really not

564
01:18:23,916 --> 01:18:25,625
creative. And I'm such a creative person.

565
01:18:25,625 --> 01:18:27,166
And I want that expression. And she just

566
01:18:27,166 --> 01:18:31,083
stopped me. And she was like, research is

567
01:18:31,083 --> 01:18:33,375
potentially the most creative thing that

568
01:18:33,375 --> 01:18:35,250
you can do, because you are literally

569
01:18:35,250 --> 01:18:36,041
creating new knowledge.

570
01:18:36,083 --> 01:18:41,000
And I was like, Whoa, that's pretty

571
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,208
crazy. Yeah, to be able to create new

572
01:18:44,208 --> 01:18:47,875
knowledge like that is like, that is the

573
01:18:47,875 --> 01:18:50,291
that creates opportunities for creativity

574
01:18:50,291 --> 01:18:52,500
down the line is creativity in and of

575
01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:54,083
itself because she explained to me that

576
01:18:54,083 --> 01:18:56,041
like, actually, she's like, I'm in control of whatever I want to study, like nobody tells me what I have to study.

577
01:18:56,083 --> 01:19:00,791
I come up with an idea, which is

578
01:19:00,791 --> 01:19:03,083
creative. I then create an entire method

579
01:19:03,083 --> 01:19:04,333
around how to study it, which is

580
01:19:04,333 --> 01:19:06,250
creative. I then like, you know, figure

581
01:19:06,250 --> 01:19:07,916
out how I want to write that my paper and

582
01:19:07,916 --> 01:19:09,291
my literature review and stuff, which is

583
01:19:09,291 --> 01:19:10,500
creative, even if it is kind of

584
01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:13,375
technical. And I was just like blown

585
01:19:13,375 --> 01:19:15,041
away. I was completely just everything was flipped on its head for me then.

586
01:19:15,083 --> 01:19:20,541
And so I actually started considering

587
01:19:20,541 --> 01:19:23,291
doing research and I had like a two day

588
01:19:23,291 --> 01:19:25,041
window to, you know, make my decision and

589
01:19:25,041 --> 01:19:27,958
it went from 100% placement to like, Oh,

590
01:19:28,333 --> 01:19:30,916
50% placement and then I was like, screw

591
01:19:30,916 --> 01:19:31,541
it, I'm just gonna do

592
01:19:31,541 --> 01:19:32,500
research if I don't like it.

593
01:19:33,375 --> 01:19:34,708
I know for the future, but when will I

594
01:19:34,708 --> 01:19:36,583
ever in my life, you have another

595
01:19:36,583 --> 01:19:39,041
opportunity like this to just try out research in the field that I want to be in with the help of like world class professors and students and students and students.

596
01:19:46,083 --> 01:19:49,208
I was like, let's make the most of that

597
01:19:49,208 --> 01:19:52,916
tuition money, which I did actually not

598
01:19:52,916 --> 01:19:53,833
have to pay because I did get a

599
01:19:53,833 --> 01:19:55,875
scholarship, but you know, in theory, I'm

600
01:19:55,875 --> 01:19:58,041
like, let's not let's not put this to

601
01:19:58,041 --> 01:19:59,958
waste. I could get a job. I feel like I'm

602
01:19:59,958 --> 01:20:01,041
very confident I can get a job anywhere else, but I cannot get this opportunity again. So yeah, all the all the like all the respect to you for making that decision. That has to be one of the toughest decisions.

603
01:20:01,083 --> 01:20:11,208
To make at that time because like if you

604
01:20:11,208 --> 01:20:13,000
do a placement. Yeah, if you do a

605
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,833
placement, you're like, there's a good

606
01:20:14,833 --> 01:20:16,375
chance that I'll get a job after this

607
01:20:16,375 --> 01:20:17,916
because I'll have some experience. I've

608
01:20:17,916 --> 01:20:19,875
got some experience with research. You're

609
01:20:19,875 --> 01:20:22,041
definitely there's a lot of benefits to that because like you said, you're stepping out of your comfort zone. You're breaking down the barriers that you thought were there before that either you were told or you know, people had sort of put in with you. So I think that's a good thing.

610
01:20:34,666 --> 01:20:36,500
But then you could break down those

611
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:37,791
barriers and be like, no, I actually did

612
01:20:37,791 --> 01:20:40,000
this. So there's a lot of like a personal

613
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,791
commitment and a personal like sort of

614
01:20:42,791 --> 01:20:43,041
like breaking down those barriers, which I really I really enjoy, but doesn't necessarily mean you'll get a job
after you know, I mean, we're a placement kind of solidifies. Yeah, exactly. So I think that's a good thing.

615
01:20:49,541 --> 01:20:53,083
Yeah, exactly. So I think that's like it

616
01:20:53,083 --> 01:20:55,125
as at that time, that must have been one

617
01:20:55,125 --> 01:20:57,166
of those you're like, Oh crap, like it's

618
01:20:57,166 --> 01:20:59,500
not a flip of a coin. You know, I don't

619
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:00,500
know if you did that, but it's not a flip

620
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:03,458
of a coin. Well, if I jump in, I say, you

621
01:21:03,458 --> 01:21:04,666
know, the thing with the research thing

622
01:21:04,666 --> 01:21:06,041
is I always tell us the students because the reality is most people are not going to end up getting a job in the field because there's just not that many jobs. But what you get from doing the research is that you're going to get a job after you get a job after you get a job.

623
01:21:17,458 --> 01:21:21,041
And then you have to write the project

624
01:21:21,041 --> 01:21:23,708
up. And if you get it published, and then

625
01:21:23,708 --> 01:21:24,041
you say, give a presentation or two at a conference, a professional conference, you've just you've just added like
three skills to your resume speaking, writing and creativity. And that's almost almost any way to do that.

626
01:21:33,291 --> 01:21:39,250
Yeah, and almost any any job, whatever

627
01:21:39,250 --> 01:21:41,791
you're going into, those are skills they

628
01:21:41,791 --> 01:21:43,250
can see, especially if you're in the

629
01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:45,041
sciences like this, they can see you can do stuff. So you've just added some skills to your resume. That's what I tell students if you can get that done. Yeah, and I felt that every step of the way, like, I think that's what I'm doing.

630
01:21:54,208 --> 01:21:56,958
I was doing field work, too. So I had to

631
01:21:56,958 --> 01:21:59,500
organize like teams, I had to manage

632
01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:02,208
volunteers, I had to be responsible for

633
01:22:02,208 --> 01:22:05,041
other people, I had to, you know, like project coordination, like team building, like there's so many aspects of it that I'm like, holy cow, I just like expedited my professional.

634
01:22:11,833 --> 01:22:17,708
Experiences that I probably could have

635
01:22:17,708 --> 01:22:20,750
gotten and like chunk wise little pieces

636
01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:22,625
throughout different jobs. I just like

637
01:22:22,625 --> 01:22:24,666
got an expedited version of all of that,

638
01:22:24,666 --> 01:22:27,625
like a little condensed bit bit in the

639
01:22:27,625 --> 01:22:28,041
course of a year, which was it's incredible.

640
01:22:28,041 --> 01:22:38,958
And what'd you end up working on for your for your project? I ended up working under Jalen looking at

641
01:22:38,958 --> 01:22:41,500
the ecology of juvenile giant shovel nose

642
01:22:41,500 --> 01:22:45,000
rays. Awesome. All right. Yeah, awesome.

643
01:22:45,625 --> 01:22:46,666
Awesome. Yes, that's why I was thinking

644
01:22:46,666 --> 01:22:48,166
about the wedge fish and guitar fish

645
01:22:48,166 --> 01:22:49,041
symposium. I'm coming next time.

646
01:22:50,083 --> 01:22:53,958
Okay. Yeah, I should mention spoiler to

647
01:22:53,958 --> 01:22:55,750
anybody who hasn't seen all the sharks,

648
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:57,083
how do you recommend that you go see it?

649
01:22:57,500 --> 01:22:59,666
But in that, and I loved how they kept

650
01:22:59,666 --> 01:23:00,750
this in and they did

651
01:23:00,750 --> 01:23:01,833
it a number of times.

652
01:23:02,875 --> 01:23:04,583
Every time you heard of these speak, it

653
01:23:04,583 --> 01:23:07,750
was like flat sharks are sharks to it was

654
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:09,166
like, I mean, like there should be t

655
01:23:09,166 --> 01:23:10,625
shirts made, there should be hats made,

656
01:23:10,625 --> 01:23:11,041
you should have merch made.

657
01:23:11,083 --> 01:23:14,500
It was awesome. Every time I heard of

658
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:17,708
like, oh, he's gonna love this. Oh, yeah.

659
01:23:18,083 --> 01:23:19,291
Well, I mean, you're you're you do a lot

660
01:23:19,291 --> 01:23:21,041
of marketing. And then that's really if

661
01:23:21,041 --> 01:23:23,458
you say flat sharks, your audience gets a

662
01:23:23,458 --> 01:23:25,291
whole different reaction than if you say,

663
01:23:25,291 --> 01:23:26,750
than if you say raise.

664
01:23:27,083 --> 01:23:29,541
Yeah, you know, and I've been I've been

665
01:23:29,541 --> 01:23:31,791
I've been, you know, I know why they came

666
01:23:31,791 --> 01:23:33,875
up with the term Rhino raise for the

667
01:23:33,875 --> 01:23:36,666
group for that group of but I they should

668
01:23:36,666 --> 01:23:38,708
that what they should use are shark rays.

669
01:23:38,708 --> 01:23:41,000
Yeah, that's true. All you

670
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,000
gotta do is the buzzword.

671
01:23:42,250 --> 01:23:45,500
Yeah, and I, I, I refer to them as shark

672
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:48,208
rays. And yeah, I get a whole different

673
01:23:48,208 --> 01:23:50,916
reaction than if I say Rhino raise,

674
01:23:50,916 --> 01:23:52,291
because then they're just thinking like,

675
01:23:52,291 --> 01:23:53,666
what's a rhino? It means

676
01:23:53,666 --> 01:23:55,041
nothing that the average person.

677
01:23:55,083 --> 01:23:58,666
It's that's you say shark, shark rays

678
01:23:58,666 --> 01:24:00,791
like a cool frickin movie. Yeah, yeah.

679
01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:03,500
And you already can like visualize it,

680
01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:04,666
you know, you're like thinking about what

681
01:24:04,666 --> 01:24:06,416
it looks like. Like I actually, I just

682
01:24:06,416 --> 01:24:09,041
was filming a little like real for

683
01:24:09,041 --> 01:24:11,000
Instagram talking about Rhino raise and

684
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,291
like the intro that I do. I'm like, okay,

685
01:24:13,291 --> 01:24:14,541
today we're going to talk about Rhino

686
01:24:14,541 --> 01:24:16,583
raise. But you know, I don't really feel

687
01:24:16,583 --> 01:24:18,000
like most people know what that even

688
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,166
means what a Rhino Ray is. So to confirm

689
01:24:20,166 --> 01:24:21,875
that, let's go ask my volleyball team.

690
01:24:22,208 --> 01:24:23,958
And then I asked all my volleyball team

691
01:24:23,958 --> 01:24:24,041
members. I was like,
what's a rhino?

692
01:24:24,083 --> 01:24:29,291
Ray, I got some crazy answers. And it's

693
01:24:29,291 --> 01:24:32,000
just not self explanatory. Yeah. Yeah.

694
01:24:32,291 --> 01:24:34,375
Yeah. No, I, I, yeah, I expect to see

695
01:24:34,375 --> 01:24:37,416
horns like from, everybody said like

696
01:24:37,416 --> 01:24:40,375
rhinos. Yeah. Like a Rhino. The truth is

697
01:24:40,375 --> 01:24:42,375
like, I'm reading this, I have this next

698
01:24:42,375 --> 01:24:43,583
to me because I was reading it before

699
01:24:43,583 --> 01:24:46,583
this, but this is like, my favorite book.

700
01:24:46,583 --> 01:24:49,666
I'm, it's like my Bible. I'm trying to

701
01:24:49,666 --> 01:24:51,833
absorb everything that I can from it. But

702
01:24:51,833 --> 01:24:53,041
it talks about like, yeah, very, very, very, very important.

703
01:24:53,416 --> 01:24:57,208
Yeah, the, this, this idea of like having

704
01:24:57,208 --> 01:24:59,541
a name for something that is still

705
01:24:59,541 --> 01:25:01,250
gripping, like in general marketing

706
01:25:01,250 --> 01:25:02,750
terms, like, you know, most people are

707
01:25:02,750 --> 01:25:05,208
like interested in it. And then like,

708
01:25:05,208 --> 01:25:08,416
having it be self explanatory is like two

709
01:25:08,416 --> 01:25:10,750
kind of separate different things. Yeah.

710
01:25:10,750 --> 01:25:12,208
Like it's not as fun if it's just like,

711
01:25:12,208 --> 01:25:14,833
well, the best, the best example I've

712
01:25:14,833 --> 01:25:16,000
ever seen was when I

713
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,375
started using the term go shark.

714
01:25:18,291 --> 01:25:21,958
Back in 2009, I started using the term,

715
01:25:22,458 --> 01:25:24,166
we had a new species we described from

716
01:25:24,166 --> 01:25:26,708
off California and I, and when they

717
01:25:26,708 --> 01:25:28,875
called up, I said, go shark instead of

718
01:25:28,875 --> 01:25:31,625
chimera. And that thing just went viral

719
01:25:31,625 --> 01:25:34,333
around the world. And I mean, I, to this

720
01:25:34,333 --> 01:25:37,708
day, if I post a, on a go shark, I get a

721
01:25:37,708 --> 01:25:40,375
huge response on social media. If I say,

722
01:25:40,708 --> 01:25:42,041
people like, I don't know what that is.

723
01:25:42,041 --> 01:25:44,458
Nothing. I say, go shark food for all

724
01:25:44,458 --> 01:25:46,541
day. I, I like, you know, last year I had

725
01:25:46,541 --> 01:25:48,000
a, I had an article with a Brit

726
01:25:48,083 --> 01:25:50,166
fan. Oochy. So she was the lead author on

727
01:25:50,166 --> 01:25:51,541
a science. It was on the cover of

728
01:25:51,541 --> 01:25:54,125
science. And the day before that came

729
01:25:54,125 --> 01:25:56,375
out, I had a new species of go shark that

730
01:25:56,375 --> 01:26:00,000
I described from off Thailand. I had more

731
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:04,333
hits and follows and publicity for the,

732
01:26:04,333 --> 01:26:06,500
for the go shark than for the science

733
01:26:06,500 --> 01:26:09,458
article. And that goes, that go shark one

734
01:26:09,458 --> 01:26:11,708
almost ran through the year. I was still

735
01:26:11,708 --> 01:26:15,833
getting media stuff in October for a

736
01:26:15,833 --> 01:26:18,041
thing came out in March in the, and the

737
01:26:18,083 --> 01:26:20,375
science article had long since died. It

738
01:26:20,375 --> 01:26:21,916
was gone, but I was still getting stuff

739
01:26:21,916 --> 01:26:23,875
on the go shark. That's to tell you the

740
01:26:23,875 --> 01:26:25,250
power of like using the right

741
01:26:25,250 --> 01:26:27,666
terminology to promote stuff.

742
01:26:28,375 --> 01:26:31,125
That's like the coolest example. Cause

743
01:26:31,125 --> 01:26:33,458
I'm, this is, I'm still trying to find my

744
01:26:33,458 --> 01:26:35,333
passion, right? Like I, I'm in, I'm

745
01:26:35,333 --> 01:26:37,083
definitely close. I don't think I've like

746
01:26:37,083 --> 01:26:39,208
hit the final one yet, but like more and

747
01:26:39,208 --> 01:26:41,041
more, I'm realizing that it kind of, it

748
01:26:41,041 --> 01:26:43,833
lays within effective communications,

749
01:26:44,125 --> 01:26:45,125
specifically science communication.

750
01:26:45,500 --> 01:26:47,875
Like that to me is so exciting just to

751
01:26:47,875 --> 01:26:50,541
hear that if you just change the tweak

752
01:26:50,541 --> 01:26:52,583
the name of something, like you suddenly

753
01:26:52,583 --> 01:26:54,958
get this whole other audience unlocked.

754
01:26:55,416 --> 01:26:57,000
Like that's crazy. It's kind of like a

755
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,000
strategy game. And I think that that's

756
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,958
why I think that's why like science

757
01:27:01,958 --> 01:27:04,500
communication has, you know,

758
01:27:04,625 --> 01:27:06,583
traditionally not been done so, so well

759
01:27:06,583 --> 01:27:09,833
by traditional scientists. It's because,

760
01:27:10,041 --> 01:27:12,041
you know, that, and this book talks about

761
01:27:12,041 --> 01:27:14,791
it a lot. It's substance and style. It's

762
01:27:14,791 --> 01:27:15,500
that we want to get a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,
a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

763
01:27:15,541 --> 01:27:26,958
to create Login

764
01:27:45,500 --> 01:27:46,375
to care because they don't

765
01:27:46,375 --> 01:27:48,625
typically care about chimeras.

766
01:27:48,958 --> 01:27:50,625
What I love about what Randy talks about

767
01:27:50,625 --> 01:27:51,625
in that book is like

768
01:27:51,625 --> 01:27:52,791
scientists speak to the

769
01:27:52,791 --> 01:27:55,166
brain facts, like this and facts and like

770
01:27:55,166 --> 01:27:56,041
this is it, like this

771
01:27:56,041 --> 01:27:56,875
is climate change, you

772
01:27:56,875 --> 01:27:58,541
got to do this and but you got to speak

773
01:27:58,541 --> 01:27:59,083
to the stomach because

774
01:27:59,083 --> 01:28:00,125
that's like the emotional

775
01:28:00,166 --> 01:28:01,125
part, right?

776
01:28:01,125 --> 01:28:03,208
I like I've been taking detailed notes on

777
01:28:03,208 --> 01:28:04,708
this but pretty much and

778
01:28:04,708 --> 01:28:05,833
sorry for the vulgarness

779
01:28:05,833 --> 01:28:07,583
but like pretty much like he says that it

780
01:28:07,583 --> 01:28:08,375
starts with you know

781
01:28:08,375 --> 01:28:09,750
sex organs and then that

782
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:10,916
pretty much targets everybody.

783
01:28:11,541 --> 01:28:13,000
Nobody, there's no logic behind that.

784
01:28:13,250 --> 01:28:15,208
Everybody is in that that area.

785
01:28:15,208 --> 01:28:17,000
So if you like do any like funny joke

786
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:17,916
that plays off of like

787
01:28:17,916 --> 01:28:19,250
you know sex or anything,

788
01:28:19,833 --> 01:28:20,250
you're probably going

789
01:28:20,250 --> 01:28:22,041
to get everybody on it.

790
01:28:22,041 --> 01:28:23,875
Yeah, and then it goes down to the gut

791
01:28:23,875 --> 01:28:25,250
and where you lose a

792
01:28:25,250 --> 01:28:26,750
little bit more people and

793
01:28:26,750 --> 01:28:28,125
then it goes down to the heart where you

794
01:28:28,125 --> 01:28:28,791
lose a little bit more

795
01:28:28,791 --> 01:28:29,708
people and then once you

796
01:28:29,708 --> 01:28:31,000
get to the brain and you're talking to

797
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,208
the brain, you have a

798
01:28:32,208 --> 01:28:33,375
really, really, really small

799
01:28:33,416 --> 01:28:34,750
audience and that's typically where

800
01:28:34,750 --> 01:28:36,208
scientists end up and

801
01:28:36,208 --> 01:28:37,250
that's kind of where they end up

802
01:28:37,250 --> 01:28:37,750
communicating.

803
01:28:38,500 --> 01:28:38,875
Yeah, right.

804
01:28:39,166 --> 01:28:41,875
I can I can I can I'm at that age where I

805
01:28:41,875 --> 01:28:43,416
can I can talk because I've lived through

806
01:28:43,583 --> 01:28:45,291
the bullet the traditional when I started

807
01:28:45,291 --> 01:28:47,875
out is very traditional, very stodgy when

808
01:28:47,875 --> 01:28:49,375
you get together with like people and

809
01:28:49,375 --> 01:28:50,916
peers, you know mentors

810
01:28:50,916 --> 01:28:52,625
when I started out, you're

811
01:28:52,625 --> 01:28:54,875
all enthusiastic talking about it.

812
01:28:54,875 --> 01:28:56,541
But if you go to talk but but when a lot

813
01:28:56,541 --> 01:28:57,250
of these guys would go

814
01:28:57,250 --> 01:28:58,375
talk to the general public,

815
01:28:59,000 --> 01:28:59,833
they just fall asleep.

816
01:29:00,083 --> 01:29:01,916
The public would you know, and all they'd

817
01:29:01,916 --> 01:29:02,916
pick up on like, wow, this

818
01:29:02,916 --> 01:29:04,083
guy's really enthusiastic

819
01:29:04,083 --> 01:29:04,708
but we don't have

820
01:29:04,708 --> 01:29:05,750
anything he's talking about.

821
01:29:06,416 --> 01:29:08,416
But what I was there's no so in the key

822
01:29:08,416 --> 01:29:09,166
my that time there's

823
01:29:09,166 --> 01:29:10,375
no social media with no

824
01:29:10,375 --> 01:29:11,916
inner there's no internet, no nothing.

825
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,041
So you don't really

826
01:29:13,041 --> 01:29:14,000
have that opportunity.

827
01:29:14,541 --> 01:29:16,750
But what I was fortunate of is I had a

828
01:29:16,750 --> 01:29:18,083
one of my professors, a

829
01:29:18,083 --> 01:29:19,416
guy named John McCasker,

830
01:29:19,416 --> 01:29:21,333
who was head of the Steinhardt Aquarium,

831
01:29:21,333 --> 01:29:22,625
California Academy of Sciences.

832
01:29:23,583 --> 01:29:25,500
He was the first guy brilliant scientist,

833
01:29:25,500 --> 01:29:27,541
but he was the first guy I knew and I was

834
01:29:28,166 --> 01:29:30,000
just a kid like 22 when I started out.

835
01:29:30,333 --> 01:29:32,291
I didn't really know much but he could

836
01:29:32,291 --> 01:29:33,541
break down a complicated

837
01:29:33,541 --> 01:29:35,625
subject into just layman's

838
01:29:35,625 --> 01:29:38,291
terms and make just make it sound like

839
01:29:38,291 --> 01:29:40,000
wow, this is so you Oh,

840
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:40,625
yeah, I understand what

841
01:29:40,625 --> 01:29:41,500
this guy's talking about.

842
01:29:42,125 --> 01:29:43,583
And I didn't realize how unique that was

843
01:29:43,583 --> 01:29:44,791
at the time because

844
01:29:44,791 --> 01:29:46,000
everybody else that was

845
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,625
a mentor to me at that time was pretty

846
01:29:47,625 --> 01:29:48,666
much, you know, they

847
01:29:48,666 --> 01:29:49,708
didn't feel an obligation to

848
01:29:49,958 --> 01:29:51,500
have to communicate to the public.

849
01:29:52,083 --> 01:29:53,291
They felt well, they they

850
01:29:53,291 --> 01:29:54,500
had more of an attitude.

851
01:29:54,750 --> 01:29:56,000
I don't mean it's a negative way, but

852
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:56,708
they felt more of an ad

853
01:29:56,708 --> 01:29:57,541
to like, well, the public

854
01:29:57,541 --> 01:29:59,083
had to learn what we are taught, learn

855
01:29:59,083 --> 01:30:01,250
our expertise rather than us.

856
01:30:01,500 --> 01:30:01,708
Right.

857
01:30:03,250 --> 01:30:26,166
And so I went on to the little

858
01:30:26,208 --> 01:30:27,875
out that you're already kind of more

859
01:30:27,875 --> 01:30:29,666
savvy onto this thing.

860
01:30:29,666 --> 01:30:31,541
And Andrew's kind of in the middle.

861
01:30:31,541 --> 01:30:32,541
So I'm kind of learning from

862
01:30:32,541 --> 01:30:34,875
him on some of this stuff too.

863
01:30:34,875 --> 01:30:35,500
And I'm learning from Aliyah.

864
01:30:35,958 --> 01:30:36,125
Yeah.

865
01:30:36,708 --> 01:30:38,166
And I'm learning from both of you.

866
01:30:38,708 --> 01:30:38,916
Yeah.

867
01:30:39,250 --> 01:30:42,166
So, but I did, I used that GoShark one

868
01:30:42,166 --> 01:30:43,500
because it was such as, it

869
01:30:43,500 --> 01:30:45,000
really struck me back then

870
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,625
how it just took off.

871
01:30:46,625 --> 01:30:48,250
And even to this day, that term just-

872
01:30:48,250 --> 01:30:49,541
Well, was it right around Halloween

873
01:30:49,666 --> 01:30:50,625
is an international

874
01:30:50,625 --> 01:30:51,916
GoShark day you've made?

875
01:30:52,666 --> 01:30:53,458
Yeah, that was good.

876
01:30:53,458 --> 01:30:54,791
Wow, you made that?

877
01:30:55,166 --> 01:30:56,500
Yeah, I started that.

878
01:30:57,291 --> 01:30:58,875
Yeah. Wow, that's so cool.

879
01:30:59,166 --> 01:31:00,791
It was so funny back in

880
01:31:00,791 --> 01:31:02,625
like, when I first got onto,

881
01:31:03,416 --> 01:31:04,666
I'd done Twitter and I've

882
01:31:04,666 --> 01:31:05,958
really not on there very much,

883
01:31:06,250 --> 01:31:07,375
but I saw everybody was

884
01:31:07,375 --> 01:31:08,458
putting a hashtag something

885
01:31:08,458 --> 01:31:10,208
or other and I said, "Screw this,

886
01:31:10,208 --> 01:31:10,583
I'm gonna start

887
01:31:10,583 --> 01:31:11,875
International GoShark day."

888
01:31:11,875 --> 01:31:15,375
And so I posted it in 2017,

889
01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:17,250
International GoShark day.

890
01:31:17,250 --> 01:31:18,666
And I had a few people picked up on it.

891
01:31:18,666 --> 01:31:19,625
And then of course all my students.

892
01:31:20,375 --> 01:31:21,708
And then like two years later, I had

893
01:31:21,708 --> 01:31:22,875
people contacting me

894
01:31:22,916 --> 01:31:25,208
saying, "Hey, don't forget October 30th,

895
01:31:25,208 --> 01:31:26,791
Dave is International GoShark day."

896
01:31:26,791 --> 01:31:27,541
And I'm the guy going, "Yeah,

897
01:31:27,541 --> 01:31:28,666
I'm the guy that started it."

898
01:31:31,250 --> 01:31:33,250
(all laughing) That is so epic.

899
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,000
Yeah, now it's like a regular

900
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:36,083
thing now with International-

901
01:31:36,083 --> 01:31:37,041
Yeah, oh my God, I've

902
01:31:37,041 --> 01:31:38,166
definitely posted about it.

903
01:31:38,166 --> 01:31:40,083
The 52 made a Halloween post last year

904
01:31:40,083 --> 01:31:41,625
about International GoShark day.

905
01:31:41,625 --> 01:31:42,125
That's hilarious.

906
01:31:42,666 --> 01:31:43,541
Oh yeah. Wow.

907
01:31:43,833 --> 01:31:44,583
So yeah, we'll be

908
01:31:44,583 --> 01:31:46,833
posting it coming up this year

909
01:31:46,833 --> 01:31:47,416
because we got the

910
01:31:47,416 --> 01:31:48,375
GoShark's the World book

911
01:31:48,375 --> 01:31:49,291
coming out in January.

912
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:51,208
I know, I'm so excited.

913
01:31:51,916 --> 01:31:53,583
Yeah, so anyways, that's cool.

914
01:31:54,208 --> 01:31:55,208
I think if there's one,

915
01:31:55,541 --> 01:31:56,458
this is your episode here,

916
01:31:56,458 --> 01:31:57,500
but if you want to think you learned,

917
01:31:57,500 --> 01:32:00,166
cause you're starting out, but for me,

918
01:32:00,166 --> 01:32:02,708
evolve as you mature

919
01:32:21,041 --> 01:32:22,833
I do feel like that is like,

920
01:32:24,083 --> 01:32:24,500
I don't even think

921
01:32:24,500 --> 01:32:25,458
this is a limiting belief.

922
01:32:25,458 --> 01:32:26,000
I think this is the

923
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,750
opposite of a limiting belief

924
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:29,416
in the form of a limiting belief,

925
01:32:30,083 --> 01:32:30,875
but I don't think that

926
01:32:30,875 --> 01:32:32,291
I could ever do anything

927
01:32:32,291 --> 01:32:34,625
for more than a few years.

928
01:32:34,625 --> 01:32:34,666
(all laughing)

929
01:32:34,666 --> 01:32:36,458
I think that comes down to ADHD.

930
01:32:36,708 --> 01:32:37,666
And I think that's why

931
01:32:37,666 --> 01:32:39,125
like, I have the most like,

932
01:32:39,375 --> 01:32:40,833
I have this really vibrant

933
01:32:40,833 --> 01:32:43,750
career history that I like,

934
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:44,500
not even on there.

935
01:32:44,500 --> 01:32:45,541
I was a makeup artist for a

936
01:32:45,541 --> 01:32:46,750
little bit, believe it or not.

937
01:32:46,750 --> 01:32:47,708
Like I thought I was

938
01:32:47,708 --> 01:32:48,666
gonna be a fashion designer.

939
01:32:48,958 --> 01:32:49,541
I thought I was gonna

940
01:32:49,541 --> 01:32:50,875
be an Olympic athlete.

941
01:32:51,250 --> 01:32:54,250
Like I hyper-focus on things.

942
01:32:54,916 --> 01:32:56,041
And so I get like a ton,

943
01:32:56,666 --> 01:32:58,291
I got a ton of experience in one thing

944
01:32:58,291 --> 01:32:59,416
cause I literally get

945
01:32:59,416 --> 01:33:00,666
obsessed with it for a little bit.

946
01:33:00,666 --> 01:33:01,833
And then I move on to the next

947
01:33:01,833 --> 01:33:03,833
and I've learned to not fight that urge.

948
01:33:04,166 --> 01:33:05,500
So I'm definitely

949
01:33:05,500 --> 01:33:06,666
here to go with the flow

950
01:33:06,666 --> 01:33:08,666
and continuously evolve like you said.

951
01:33:08,666 --> 01:33:10,541
Like I think that's the key to success.

952
01:33:11,125 --> 01:33:13,000
And speaking of which, when you look at,

953
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:13,583
we talk about science

954
01:33:13,583 --> 01:33:14,916
communication, we talk about wording,

955
01:33:15,291 --> 01:33:18,000
we talk about titles, you've started

956
01:33:18,166 --> 01:33:19,708
and we'll discuss each one of them,

957
01:33:19,708 --> 01:33:20,875
but you started two things.

958
01:33:20,875 --> 01:33:21,500
We're not started, we've

959
01:33:21,500 --> 01:33:22,458
been a part of two things.

960
01:33:22,458 --> 01:33:23,083
You co-founded the

961
01:33:23,083 --> 01:33:25,041
Finstitute, which the name is amazing.

962
01:33:26,250 --> 01:33:26,541
Thank you for marketing.

963
01:33:26,541 --> 01:33:27,166
Like it's so much fun to

964
01:33:27,166 --> 01:33:29,041
say, yeah, big into marketing.

965
01:33:30,208 --> 01:33:33,041
And then you also have Naked for Nature,

966
01:33:33,375 --> 01:33:36,000
which is in itself, the title is like,

967
01:33:36,500 --> 01:33:40,000
sparks curiosity, speak to those organs

968
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:41,125
that you mentioned before.

969
01:33:41,125 --> 01:33:41,416
Exactly.

970
01:33:41,791 --> 01:33:43,416
You know, and so like,

971
01:33:43,416 --> 01:33:44,583
which one came first?

972
01:33:44,875 --> 01:33:46,791
Was it Naked for Nature or Finstitute?

973
01:33:46,791 --> 01:33:47,041
Naked for Nature.

974
01:33:47,666 --> 01:33:49,208
So how did that all start?

975
01:33:49,208 --> 01:33:50,333
Where did that come from?

976
01:33:50,333 --> 01:33:51,083
I mean, obviously it

977
01:33:51,083 --> 01:33:52,333
goes to your photography,

978
01:33:52,333 --> 01:33:53,833
it goes to your sort of

979
01:33:53,833 --> 01:33:55,541
your love for being underwater,

980
01:33:55,541 --> 01:33:57,208
your journey of loving

981
01:33:57,208 --> 01:33:58,791
being underwater more and more.

982
01:33:59,958 --> 01:34:00,875
How did that all begin?

983
01:34:01,916 --> 01:34:03,416
You know, I'm just gonna relate

984
01:34:03,416 --> 01:34:04,333
everything back to ADHD

985
01:34:04,333 --> 01:34:05,250
and dyslexia because

986
01:34:05,250 --> 01:34:06,916
period, that's like how it is.

987
01:34:07,250 --> 01:34:09,916
But yeah, so just a small preface

988
01:34:09,916 --> 01:34:11,625
before I give you that full answer.

989
01:34:12,875 --> 01:34:15,291
Like I, with, I think

990
01:34:15,291 --> 01:34:16,333
this is an ADHD thing

991
01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:17,416
and also a dyslexia

992
01:34:17,416 --> 01:34:18,208
thing, like just the way

993
01:34:18,208 --> 01:34:19,791
that our brains work, like not,

994
01:34:20,166 --> 01:34:21,541
there's not a super

995
01:34:21,541 --> 01:34:24,000
strong emphasis on fine detail.

996
01:34:24,208 --> 01:34:25,666
Like for dyslexia in particular,

997
01:34:25,833 --> 01:34:27,458
like the way that our

998
01:34:27,458 --> 01:34:28,583
brains work when we're reading

999
01:34:28,708 --> 01:34:31,416
is an exact manifestation of that idea.

1000
01:34:31,416 --> 01:34:33,916
And it's that we don't have three,

1001
01:34:33,916 --> 01:34:34,958
we have the same parts

1002
01:34:34,958 --> 01:34:36,416
of the brain as a typical

1003
01:34:36,583 --> 01:34:38,458
or neurotypical person does.

1004
01:34:39,041 --> 01:34:41,166
But the thing is we are

1005
01:34:41,166 --> 01:34:43,541
only using one of those areas

1006
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,000
to do the job of three specialized areas

1007
01:34:46,083 --> 01:34:46,833
that are supposed to be

1008
01:34:46,833 --> 01:34:47,708
active when we're reading.

1009
01:34:48,083 --> 01:34:48,791
And as a product,

1010
01:34:49,083 --> 01:34:50,708
we're obviously not paying

1011
01:34:50,708 --> 01:34:53,250
as much attention to specific details.

1012
01:34:54,208 --> 01:34:54,958
And that's why there's

1013
01:34:54,958 --> 01:34:55,958
like a lot of spelling,

1014
01:34:56,208 --> 01:34:57,125
like well, spelling

1015
01:34:57,125 --> 01:34:57,833
errors and reading errors

1016
01:34:58,333 --> 01:34:59,375
and cognition errors.

1017
01:34:59,375 --> 01:35:00,791
It's because instead of

1018
01:35:00,791 --> 01:35:02,125
using three specialized areas,

1019
01:35:02,125 --> 01:35:03,250
we're having that one

1020
01:35:03,250 --> 01:35:04,791
area do the job of all three.

1021
01:35:04,791 --> 01:35:06,500
So it's just, you know, not as detailed.

1022
01:35:07,250 --> 01:35:07,666
And I think that

1023
01:35:07,666 --> 01:35:09,041
translates into my life a bit.

1024
01:35:09,291 --> 01:35:10,833
And I do feel that

1025
01:35:10,833 --> 01:35:14,125
being okay with imperfection

1026
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:16,166
has made me just like

1027
01:35:16,166 --> 01:35:17,500
launch into things head first

1028
01:35:17,625 --> 01:35:18,625
without thinking too much.

1029
01:35:19,166 --> 01:35:20,416
And in a safe way, you

1030
01:35:20,416 --> 01:35:21,000
know, I'm not talking about

1031
01:35:21,333 --> 01:35:21,833
Yeah, of course.

1032
01:35:21,833 --> 01:35:22,625
(both laughing)

1033
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,041
Anything sketchy, but like

1034
01:35:24,041 --> 01:35:25,708
definitely in my careers,

1035
01:35:25,708 --> 01:35:26,875
I'm like, oh, here's an idea.

1036
01:35:26,875 --> 01:35:28,041
And also mix that with

1037
01:35:28,041 --> 01:35:29,208
the impulsivity of ADHD.

1038
01:35:29,791 --> 01:35:30,291
I'm like, here's an

1039
01:35:30,291 --> 01:35:31,166
idea, I'm gonna do it.

1040
01:35:31,166 --> 01:35:32,250
And then we'll just, well, learn

1041
01:35:32,250 --> 01:35:33,583
and I'll see what happens from it.

1042
01:35:33,583 --> 01:35:33,791
Yeah.

1043
01:35:34,333 --> 01:35:34,625
And so-

1044
01:35:34,666 --> 01:35:35,250
It's almost like throw

1045
01:35:35,250 --> 01:35:35,875
it up against the wall

1046
01:35:35,875 --> 01:35:37,583
and see what sticks kind of thing, right?

1047
01:35:37,666 --> 01:35:38,833
Exactly, exactly.

1048
01:35:39,458 --> 01:35:41,041
So with Naked for Nature, like that's

1049
01:35:41,041 --> 01:35:42,041
actually what happens.

1050
01:35:42,083 --> 01:35:44,250
Like this was back in 2021,

1051
01:35:45,375 --> 01:35:47,291
I believe, maybe even, sorry.

1052
01:35:47,291 --> 01:35:48,166
It was in 2020.

1053
01:35:48,791 --> 01:35:50,000
I was finishing up my degree

1054
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,625
at Tulane doing psychology.

1055
01:35:52,958 --> 01:35:55,333
So like really not doing too,

1056
01:35:55,333 --> 01:35:56,041
like I didn't have any

1057
01:35:56,041 --> 01:35:58,500
background in academics.

1058
01:35:58,916 --> 01:36:00,625
You know, I was doing in marine biology.

1059
01:36:00,625 --> 01:36:01,291
I was doing core

1060
01:36:01,291 --> 01:36:02,458
restoration work on the side.

1061
01:36:02,458 --> 01:36:03,750
I was living in Miami during this time

1062
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:04,833
because COVID was-

1063
01:36:04,875 --> 01:36:05,916
COVID and everything, yeah.

1064
01:36:07,250 --> 01:36:09,375
And I had a GoPro

1065
01:36:10,916 --> 01:36:14,208
and I had taken a few, not even pictures.

1066
01:36:14,208 --> 01:36:16,666
I just was like scanning, taking videos

1067
01:36:16,666 --> 01:36:18,166
and then I'd go home and I'd screenshot

1068
01:36:18,166 --> 01:36:19,291
frames that I liked.

1069
01:36:19,291 --> 01:36:20,791
And I'm like, that's a sick picture.

1070
01:36:21,333 --> 01:36:22,500
I'm a such a good photographer.

1071
01:36:23,583 --> 01:36:25,708
That's like literally how it started.

1072
01:36:25,708 --> 01:36:27,208
And I was like, wait, these

1073
01:36:27,208 --> 01:36:29,541
are actually really cool photos.

1074
01:36:30,458 --> 01:36:31,333
And then I ended up, I

1075
01:36:31,333 --> 01:36:32,958
like was drawing on my iPad

1076
01:36:32,958 --> 01:36:36,000
and I put a picture, like I

1077
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:37,166
put one of my underwater pictures

1078
01:36:37,833 --> 01:36:40,875
into the silhouette of a female body.

1079
01:36:41,708 --> 01:36:41,916
Okay.

1080
01:36:42,500 --> 01:36:43,750
And it made it like it was

1081
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:45,541
giving like mermaid vibes.

1082
01:36:45,541 --> 01:36:47,583
And I just was like so inspired by that.

1083
01:36:47,583 --> 01:36:48,291
And I was like, wow, that

1084
01:36:48,291 --> 01:36:49,458
actually looks pretty cool.

1085
01:36:49,458 --> 01:36:50,666
Like let me try and do that again.

1086
01:36:50,666 --> 01:36:51,583
And so I asked my friends

1087
01:36:51,583 --> 01:36:53,083
to like send me, you know,

1088
01:36:53,333 --> 01:36:55,083
cute bikini pictures and stuff like that.

1089
01:36:55,083 --> 01:36:56,166
I was like, do you want to turn yourself

1090
01:36:56,166 --> 01:36:58,125
into like an ocean conservation emblem?

1091
01:36:58,125 --> 01:36:59,750
Like just send me a bikini picture

1092
01:37:00,208 --> 01:37:02,958
and I will literally put the, like my

1093
01:37:02,958 --> 01:37:03,583
underwater photography

1094
01:37:03,791 --> 01:37:04,666
within your silhouette

1095
01:37:04,666 --> 01:37:05,958
and like you can post that.

1096
01:37:06,208 --> 01:37:08,125
And that's you looking fine.

1097
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,000
Also with like a huge ocean

1098
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,166
conservation message behind you.

1099
01:37:11,416 --> 01:37:12,125
Like, you know, whatever

1100
01:37:12,125 --> 01:37:14,333
they wanted to fill that

1101
01:37:14,333 --> 01:37:15,291
like it could be coral

1102
01:37:15,291 --> 01:37:17,000
reefs or reef fish or sharks.

1103
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:17,750
Like I would do that.

1104
01:37:18,083 --> 01:37:18,458
You weren't

1105
01:37:18,458 --> 01:37:19,583
subconsciously trying to start

1106
01:37:19,583 --> 01:37:20,833
a fans only page were you?

1107
01:37:20,875 --> 01:37:22,375
I know everybody's

1108
01:37:22,375 --> 01:37:24,458
like, they're like, Aliyah.

1109
01:37:24,458 --> 01:37:25,583
And I'm like, don't worry.

1110
01:37:26,333 --> 01:37:27,458
Terrible thing to say.

1111
01:37:27,458 --> 01:37:28,250
When you start saying

1112
01:37:28,250 --> 01:37:29,625
that for the typical guys

1113
01:37:29,625 --> 01:37:30,916
in my mind, you're going like,

1114
01:37:30,916 --> 01:37:32,166
you start like a fans only or something?

1115
01:37:32,750 --> 01:37:34,250
No, only fins.

1116
01:37:35,250 --> 01:37:36,375
There's a great one.

1117
01:37:36,375 --> 01:37:37,333
There you go. Only fins.

1118
01:37:38,041 --> 01:37:39,625
And I actually on naked for nature,

1119
01:37:39,625 --> 01:37:42,208
I do have a hoodie that says only fins.

1120
01:37:42,541 --> 01:37:44,375
So quick little plug.

1121
01:37:44,750 --> 01:37:45,625
But yeah, so it's honestly.

1122
01:37:45,625 --> 01:37:46,791
You are a marketing genius

1123
01:37:46,791 --> 01:37:48,291
when it comes to like the puns.

1124
01:37:48,291 --> 01:37:48,791
I love it.

1125
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:50,833
Feel free to plug away all you want.

1126
01:37:51,541 --> 01:37:52,625
Plug away all you want.

1127
01:37:54,250 --> 01:37:56,041
I literally cannot be stopped.

1128
01:37:57,375 --> 01:37:59,375
But yeah, so naked for

1129
01:37:59,375 --> 01:38:00,416
nature kind of turned it,

1130
01:38:00,416 --> 01:38:01,000
it was just like a

1131
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:01,916
fun little art project,

1132
01:38:01,916 --> 01:38:04,291
which started on earth day, April 22nd.

1133
01:38:05,041 --> 01:38:07,083
And then I was like, wait, this is like,

1134
01:38:07,833 --> 01:38:08,791
you know, this is a business.

1135
01:38:09,041 --> 01:38:09,791
Like I get people

1136
01:38:09,791 --> 01:38:10,541
have been asking me like,

1137
01:38:10,541 --> 01:38:11,375
Oh, can you make me?

1138
01:38:11,791 --> 01:38:12,625
Can you make one for me?

1139
01:38:12,625 --> 01:38:13,583
Can you make one for my daughter?

1140
01:38:13,583 --> 01:38:14,166
Can you make whatever?

1141
01:38:14,666 --> 01:38:16,625
And so I was like, let's start charging.

1142
01:38:17,166 --> 01:38:21,125
My initial model, like again,

1143
01:38:21,125 --> 01:38:22,666
this was like my first actual business.

1144
01:38:22,666 --> 01:38:24,083
My initial model, I was like,

1145
01:38:24,625 --> 01:38:25,458
I'm donating a hundred

1146
01:38:25,458 --> 01:38:26,875
percent of funds everywhere.

1147
01:38:27,208 --> 01:38:29,375
So I would have like people choose.

1148
01:38:29,666 --> 01:38:30,666
I would have like four

1149
01:38:30,666 --> 01:38:32,291
different ocean nonprofits

1150
01:38:32,291 --> 01:38:33,208
that I really liked

1151
01:38:33,208 --> 01:38:34,000
from like different areas,

1152
01:38:34,083 --> 01:38:35,958
like surfing, coral, sharks,

1153
01:38:37,125 --> 01:38:38,291
and just like ocean cleanup

1154
01:38:38,291 --> 01:38:39,500
organizations, for example.

1155
01:38:39,500 --> 01:38:40,375
I'd have four different

1156
01:38:40,375 --> 01:38:41,833
options per month on my website.

1157
01:38:42,375 --> 01:38:43,125
And if you commissioned a

1158
01:38:43,125 --> 01:38:44,333
piece for me for like $25,

1159
01:38:45,416 --> 01:38:46,291
you, I would just, you

1160
01:38:46,291 --> 01:38:48,708
choose which foundation

1161
01:38:49,125 --> 01:38:50,041
you want me to send that to.

1162
01:38:50,041 --> 01:38:51,291
And I sent all the $25

1163
01:38:51,291 --> 01:38:52,666
like straight to them.

1164
01:38:52,833 --> 01:38:53,791
Obviously not a very,

1165
01:38:54,958 --> 01:38:56,958
not very business savvy decision.

1166
01:38:57,583 --> 01:38:58,750
Not a lucrative move.

1167
01:39:00,250 --> 01:39:03,375
It's kind of the thing to do.

1168
01:39:03,416 --> 01:39:03,958
Like it's a great

1169
01:39:03,958 --> 01:39:05,250
thing to do to promote it

1170
01:39:05,458 --> 01:39:06,916
because when people are spending that

1171
01:39:06,916 --> 01:39:07,583
money, they're just

1172
01:39:07,583 --> 01:39:08,500
like, oh, that's cool.

1173
01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:09,041
Like it's going, at least

1174
01:39:09,041 --> 01:39:10,041
it's going to an organization.

1175
01:39:10,625 --> 01:39:11,375
Plus I get this.

1176
01:39:11,375 --> 01:39:12,416
It's kind of like an NFT

1177
01:39:12,416 --> 01:39:14,708
in a way, you know, it was.

1178
01:39:15,166 --> 01:39:15,833
It was right.

1179
01:39:16,041 --> 01:39:17,916
And I actually ended up like partnering

1180
01:39:17,916 --> 01:39:19,875
with this place called Nemo

1181
01:39:19,875 --> 01:39:21,875
that was like a coral NFT market.

1182
01:39:21,875 --> 01:39:22,625
And I had a little

1183
01:39:22,625 --> 01:39:24,416
collection for them of NFTs.

1184
01:39:24,416 --> 01:39:27,166
But they're like, yeah,

1185
01:39:27,166 --> 01:39:30,125
the idea there was to like,

1186
01:39:30,583 --> 01:39:32,000
and I didn't even know this because I

1187
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:32,750
didn't read that book

1188
01:39:32,791 --> 01:39:34,708
until just recently, but like I was a

1189
01:39:34,708 --> 01:39:36,333
hundred percent targeting the sex organs.

1190
01:39:36,333 --> 01:39:39,000
Like my, my, my goal here.

1191
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:40,083
Just the name itself. Yeah.

1192
01:39:40,416 --> 01:39:41,041
A hundred percent.

1193
01:39:41,041 --> 01:39:42,250
And that, that was funny because I was

1194
01:39:42,250 --> 01:39:43,458
actually talking to my friend,

1195
01:39:44,041 --> 01:39:47,791
Jack Fishman, who said like, I, the one,

1196
01:39:47,791 --> 01:39:48,875
the first time I posted it,

1197
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:50,458
he was like, you need to

1198
01:39:50,458 --> 01:39:51,208
turn this into a business.

1199
01:39:51,208 --> 01:39:52,958
And I was like, Oh, you're right.

1200
01:39:52,958 --> 01:39:53,958
I do. And so I ran the

1201
01:39:53,958 --> 01:39:54,833
name by him a few times.

1202
01:39:54,833 --> 01:39:55,875
I was like nude for nature.

1203
01:39:56,375 --> 01:39:58,666
He's like, no, no, don't do that.

1204
01:39:58,666 --> 01:39:59,833
And I was like, okay, naked for nature.

1205
01:39:59,833 --> 01:40:00,750
He's like, yeah, go for it.

1206
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,500
But pretty much like I did intentionally

1207
01:40:04,500 --> 01:40:06,916
start it because even then, like before I

1208
01:40:06,916 --> 01:40:09,125
was in this beautiful echo chamber of

1209
01:40:09,125 --> 01:40:10,500
marine conservation, even then I

1210
01:40:10,500 --> 01:40:11,916
recognized that it was an echo chamber

1211
01:40:11,916 --> 01:40:13,791
and not like the things that I'm seeing,

1212
01:40:13,791 --> 01:40:14,875
I care about the things

1213
01:40:14,875 --> 01:40:16,125
that other people are seeing.

1214
01:40:16,125 --> 01:40:17,625
They care about, but the people who don't

1215
01:40:17,625 --> 01:40:19,708
care about marine conservation are not

1216
01:40:19,708 --> 01:40:21,291
seeing the things that I care about or

1217
01:40:21,291 --> 01:40:22,708
anything about marine conservation.

1218
01:40:22,708 --> 01:40:23,958
They're just seeing whatever they want.

1219
01:40:24,375 --> 01:40:25,208
And so I really wanted to

1220
01:40:25,208 --> 01:40:26,291
break into a new audience.

1221
01:40:26,291 --> 01:40:27,041
And I knew that so

1222
01:40:27,041 --> 01:40:28,208
palpably even back then.

1223
01:40:28,791 --> 01:40:32,000
And so I I really did.

1224
01:40:32,333 --> 01:40:33,541
I made this whole thing.

1225
01:40:33,541 --> 01:40:34,833
I was trying to make ocean conservation

1226
01:40:34,833 --> 01:40:36,708
hotter, you know, like global

1227
01:40:36,708 --> 01:40:37,875
temperatures are rising.

1228
01:40:39,041 --> 01:40:39,458
Love it.

1229
01:40:39,833 --> 01:40:41,541
Yeah, you know, like, yeah, I love it

1230
01:40:41,541 --> 01:40:45,125
because my idea was like, OK, well, what

1231
01:40:45,125 --> 01:40:47,583
if, you know, somebody post this like

1232
01:40:47,583 --> 01:40:49,500
spicy bikini picture with a like

1233
01:40:49,500 --> 01:40:52,833
beautiful like marine seascape inside of

1234
01:40:52,833 --> 01:40:54,000
it and it has this like one line

1235
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:54,833
conservation message?

1236
01:40:54,833 --> 01:40:57,000
Like, for example, I was aggressively

1237
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,083
vegan during this time.

1238
01:40:58,166 --> 01:40:58,833
And so I was like,

1239
01:40:58,833 --> 01:40:59,625
everybody else should be vegan.

1240
01:41:00,583 --> 01:41:03,500
And so I had one of like this girl with

1241
01:41:03,500 --> 01:41:06,166
like hair that was all kelp and these

1242
01:41:06,166 --> 01:41:08,958
little damsel fish and the subjects or

1243
01:41:08,958 --> 01:41:10,583
the the line was just

1244
01:41:10,583 --> 01:41:11,666
herbivores do it better.

1245
01:41:12,166 --> 01:41:14,041
Yeah, like I want on the website.

1246
01:41:14,041 --> 01:41:14,666
I can see it.

1247
01:41:14,666 --> 01:41:16,000
It's all. Yeah, exactly.

1248
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,083
So I was like, OK, you know, if somebody

1249
01:41:18,083 --> 01:41:20,083
goes and puts that on their story or

1250
01:41:20,083 --> 01:41:23,500
posts it and then, you know, freaking

1251
01:41:23,500 --> 01:41:25,708
Chad from SIGCHI at

1252
01:41:25,708 --> 01:41:27,458
USC or whatever sees it.

1253
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:29,750
Some fraternity like and he's like, oh,

1254
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:31,375
she's she's hot or whatever.

1255
01:41:31,375 --> 01:41:33,000
And he posts it to his story

1256
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:34,000
or he sends it to a friend.

1257
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:35,875
It's like you're actually like sending

1258
01:41:35,875 --> 01:41:37,458
conservation messages around.

1259
01:41:37,458 --> 01:41:38,208
Yeah. And you're sharing

1260
01:41:38,208 --> 01:41:39,208
the conversation around.

1261
01:41:39,291 --> 01:41:40,791
Yeah, without even realizing it.

1262
01:41:41,041 --> 01:41:43,041
And so that was like so not so

1263
01:41:43,041 --> 01:41:45,875
transparently my goal in doing that.

1264
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:50,333
And yeah, it was it was pretty awesome.

1265
01:41:50,708 --> 01:41:51,500
It was pretty awesome.

1266
01:41:51,500 --> 01:41:53,458
I actually also ended up running this

1267
01:41:53,458 --> 01:41:55,125
like 20 again, classic

1268
01:41:55,125 --> 01:41:56,833
ADHD and impulsivity.

1269
01:41:56,916 --> 01:41:57,583
I was like, I'm going to

1270
01:41:57,583 --> 01:41:59,750
an art show based off what?

1271
01:42:00,083 --> 01:42:01,000
Like I have zero experience.

1272
01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:04,166
No, this. But this is art like.

1273
01:42:04,625 --> 01:42:06,000
Yeah, it deserves an art show.

1274
01:42:06,375 --> 01:42:08,166
And I was like, OK, let's go.

1275
01:42:08,166 --> 01:42:09,250
Like let's rent a space.

1276
01:42:09,250 --> 01:42:10,041
Found the space was

1277
01:42:10,041 --> 01:42:11,208
way too big for just me.

1278
01:42:11,208 --> 01:42:13,250
So I was like, OK, let's go scout out

1279
01:42:13,250 --> 01:42:14,500
some like Miami based

1280
01:42:14,500 --> 01:42:15,833
ocean conservation artists.

1281
01:42:15,958 --> 01:42:18,125
So did a lot of networking on Instagram

1282
01:42:18,125 --> 01:42:19,750
and just putting the word out there.

1283
01:42:20,083 --> 01:42:21,416
Got seven other artists.

1284
01:42:21,416 --> 01:42:21,958
Neil Hammerschlag,

1285
01:42:21,958 --> 01:42:23,375
actually, I reached out to him.

1286
01:42:23,375 --> 01:42:24,875
I had him as one as the artist because I

1287
01:42:24,875 --> 01:42:26,125
just loved his underwater photos.

1288
01:42:26,416 --> 01:42:27,583
Nice amazing sharks.

1289
01:42:27,583 --> 01:42:29,916
I was like, yeah, hey, also networking.

1290
01:42:30,875 --> 01:42:33,750
And so I I had like

1291
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:35,083
everybody had their own room.

1292
01:42:35,291 --> 01:42:38,291
I made it like this 24 hour pop up all.

1293
01:42:38,791 --> 01:42:40,916
And that's actually kind of when I had

1294
01:42:40,916 --> 01:42:43,083
the biggest vision of what I wanted

1295
01:42:43,083 --> 01:42:44,875
Naked for Nature to grow into, which I'm

1296
01:42:44,875 --> 01:42:46,208
still going to try in the future.

1297
01:42:46,208 --> 01:42:46,916
Just obviously have to

1298
01:42:46,916 --> 01:42:48,250
take a hiatus from it.

1299
01:42:48,583 --> 01:42:52,000
But I wanted it to be like this kind of

1300
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,083
event company that celebrates nature.

1301
01:42:55,125 --> 01:42:57,166
So like literally parties to celebrate

1302
01:42:57,166 --> 01:42:58,750
nature that are eco friendly party.

1303
01:42:58,750 --> 01:43:00,208
So, you know, not like super

1304
01:43:00,208 --> 01:43:01,250
wasteful stuff or anything.

1305
01:43:01,500 --> 01:43:03,541
But we had this huge projector up on the

1306
01:43:03,541 --> 01:43:04,958
wall with just like footage that I've

1307
01:43:04,958 --> 01:43:06,666
taken of like manta rays and sharks

1308
01:43:06,666 --> 01:43:08,750
swimming by everybody surrounded by

1309
01:43:08,750 --> 01:43:10,708
incredible art that all is ocean themed.

1310
01:43:11,041 --> 01:43:12,791
We're all raising money for the night for

1311
01:43:12,791 --> 01:43:15,916
Rescue a Reef in at U Miami, the Rescue

1312
01:43:15,916 --> 01:43:18,708
Reef program. And it was just like the

1313
01:43:18,708 --> 01:43:19,750
most inspiring night.

1314
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:21,958
And it was amazing because I did break

1315
01:43:21,958 --> 01:43:22,583
through the echo chamber.

1316
01:43:23,375 --> 01:43:25,583
There was probably like 15 scientists

1317
01:43:25,583 --> 01:43:27,125
there are like friends that I had from U

1318
01:43:27,125 --> 01:43:28,875
Miami or like, you know, around.

1319
01:43:28,875 --> 01:43:32,208
But I had divers, spear fishers, surfers,

1320
01:43:32,500 --> 01:43:34,250
just people who liked art, people who

1321
01:43:34,250 --> 01:43:34,833
wanted to be in the

1322
01:43:34,833 --> 01:43:36,333
scene, like friends of

1323
01:43:36,333 --> 01:43:38,916
friends, like so I had one of my friends,

1324
01:43:38,916 --> 01:43:39,708
a professional boxer.

1325
01:43:39,708 --> 01:43:42,458
She came like I just had such an eclectic

1326
01:43:42,458 --> 01:43:43,458
group of people all

1327
01:43:43,458 --> 01:43:44,500
there for the same reason.

1328
01:43:44,958 --> 01:43:46,291
Celebrating nature, which

1329
01:43:46,291 --> 01:43:48,708
yeah, that's that's a highlight.

1330
01:43:48,708 --> 01:43:49,458
Career highlight for sure.

1331
01:43:50,083 --> 01:43:51,583
Yeah. Do you have plans?

1332
01:43:51,583 --> 01:43:53,208
I see on your website, like that was on

1333
01:43:53,208 --> 01:43:54,041
there and it's like to be

1334
01:43:54,041 --> 01:43:55,208
determined for the next show.

1335
01:43:55,208 --> 01:43:56,500
Do you have plans? I

1336
01:43:56,500 --> 01:43:57,958
know you're busy, obviously.

1337
01:43:58,458 --> 01:44:00,791
But I feel like this is a cool event that

1338
01:44:00,791 --> 01:44:04,166
you could run for, you know, like every

1339
01:44:04,166 --> 01:44:05,791
once in a while, you know, fine.

1340
01:44:06,041 --> 01:44:06,250
Agreed.

1341
01:44:06,458 --> 01:44:08,208
Like a small gallery or a small shop or

1342
01:44:08,208 --> 01:44:09,000
something like that.

1343
01:44:10,333 --> 01:44:12,083
And I feel like this is something that

1344
01:44:12,083 --> 01:44:14,833
especially to raise awareness because

1345
01:44:14,833 --> 01:44:16,291
like these are like I

1346
01:44:16,291 --> 01:44:17,125
know the name sounds

1347
01:44:17,208 --> 01:44:19,083
provocative, but when you look at these

1348
01:44:19,083 --> 01:44:20,583
pictures, they're not

1349
01:44:20,583 --> 01:44:22,416
there for everybody.

1350
01:44:22,750 --> 01:44:25,125
It's people. It's women with bikinis on

1351
01:44:25,125 --> 01:44:27,458
and which we wear in public anyway.

1352
01:44:27,916 --> 01:44:29,833
Exactly. And then when you look at them,

1353
01:44:29,833 --> 01:44:31,500
like I'm looking at it right now, there's

1354
01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:32,916
marine conservation.

1355
01:44:33,166 --> 01:44:33,833
I like it's like

1356
01:44:33,833 --> 01:44:35,875
pictures of there's no reason.

1357
01:44:36,500 --> 01:44:37,625
There's no person. So it's

1358
01:44:37,625 --> 01:44:38,791
nothing like provocative.

1359
01:44:38,791 --> 01:44:40,666
So like I feel like it's even like

1360
01:44:40,666 --> 01:44:42,541
somewhat kid friendly, you know,

1361
01:44:42,541 --> 01:44:43,000
depending on the

1362
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,291
parent, if they're if they're.

1363
01:44:44,291 --> 01:44:44,791
Yeah, of course.

1364
01:44:44,791 --> 01:44:46,083
You know what I mean? So I think and then

1365
01:44:46,083 --> 01:44:47,583
having that I think it's great.

1366
01:44:47,583 --> 01:44:48,375
I also think you have a

1367
01:44:48,375 --> 01:44:50,875
great merch line ahead of you.

1368
01:44:51,166 --> 01:44:53,041
You know, this kind of stuff with, you

1369
01:44:53,041 --> 01:44:54,166
know, friendly merchants.

1370
01:44:54,166 --> 01:44:56,166
I feel like I know that's difficult to

1371
01:44:56,166 --> 01:44:56,875
kind of put together.

1372
01:44:56,875 --> 01:44:59,291
But I feel like they're like, do you have

1373
01:44:59,291 --> 01:45:01,708
plans, do you think, to do this again?

1374
01:45:01,708 --> 01:45:03,250
Or is this something like you did once

1375
01:45:03,250 --> 01:45:03,916
and you're like, oh, maybe

1376
01:45:03,916 --> 01:45:04,958
again, like, I don't know.

1377
01:45:05,916 --> 01:45:07,541
I actually really wanted to do something

1378
01:45:07,541 --> 01:45:10,083
at JCU when I was chatting with.

1379
01:45:10,500 --> 01:45:14,333
I was chatting with this woman who was

1380
01:45:14,333 --> 01:45:15,958
working at JCU to like

1381
01:45:15,958 --> 01:45:16,916
kind of put something on.

1382
01:45:17,208 --> 01:45:21,958
But yeah, I honestly feel like it was the

1383
01:45:21,958 --> 01:45:23,958
next two weeks that I was like, actually,

1384
01:45:23,958 --> 01:45:24,791
I'm going to start this too.

1385
01:45:26,208 --> 01:45:27,708
So I just kind of got a little bogged

1386
01:45:27,708 --> 01:45:28,791
down with with that.

1387
01:45:29,833 --> 01:45:31,625
But I do want to do more

1388
01:45:31,625 --> 01:45:32,375
like this in the future.

1389
01:45:32,375 --> 01:45:34,666
And I think that's a great like, I agree

1390
01:45:34,666 --> 01:45:36,166
with what you said, like maybe once a

1391
01:45:36,166 --> 01:45:38,416
year, once a quarter, whatever it is.

1392
01:45:38,458 --> 01:45:39,750
But just kind of like bring people

1393
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:41,083
together and then bring their plus ones

1394
01:45:41,083 --> 01:45:43,041
together and then, hey, look, oh, you're

1395
01:45:43,041 --> 01:45:44,500
actually at an ocean conservation event.

1396
01:45:44,500 --> 01:45:45,500
Did you know that? Oops.

1397
01:45:45,916 --> 01:45:47,375
Yeah, I need to talk because I have I

1398
01:45:47,375 --> 01:45:50,000
have some ideas that I saw.

1399
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,833
I would love to. Yeah, I would love to.

1400
01:45:52,833 --> 01:45:54,625
I think it'd be good. But speaking of

1401
01:45:54,625 --> 01:45:57,000
Finstitute, one, I see a collab between,

1402
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:58,416
you know, the events you put on for

1403
01:45:58,416 --> 01:45:59,666
Finstitute and Naked for Nature.

1404
01:46:00,375 --> 01:46:01,958
I see that. For sure. I know.

1405
01:46:02,458 --> 01:46:03,958
But you mentioned Finstitute, like you

1406
01:46:03,958 --> 01:46:05,583
started like that, like two weeks later.

1407
01:46:05,583 --> 01:46:07,916
Talk about like I know we've talked about

1408
01:46:07,916 --> 01:46:09,000
how to protect the ocean.

1409
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:10,541
But, you know, a lot of the people who

1410
01:46:10,541 --> 01:46:11,916
are listening here haven't listened to

1411
01:46:11,916 --> 01:46:13,208
that episode because it's

1412
01:46:13,208 --> 01:46:14,291
just different audiences.

1413
01:46:14,916 --> 01:46:15,291
Can you just talk

1414
01:46:15,291 --> 01:46:16,416
about how that came to be?

1415
01:46:16,416 --> 01:46:18,875
Had a co-founder, how that all came to be

1416
01:46:18,875 --> 01:46:20,291
and what it's become now?

1417
01:46:20,875 --> 01:46:24,000
Hundred percent. I'll try my best to get

1418
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:25,166
the consolidated version.

1419
01:46:25,166 --> 01:46:26,291
Here we go. Lots

1420
01:46:26,291 --> 01:46:27,833
happened. A lot happened.

1421
01:46:28,041 --> 01:46:30,125
Let's just say. Oh, my gosh.

1422
01:46:30,291 --> 01:46:32,958
OK, so back in the

1423
01:46:32,958 --> 01:46:35,416
day, 2023, I saw a post.

1424
01:46:35,583 --> 01:46:37,541
From a very famous shark fisherman that

1425
01:46:37,541 --> 01:46:40,250
was taken pretty much in my backyard in

1426
01:46:40,250 --> 01:46:41,625
Miami, where I was always scuba diving

1427
01:46:41,625 --> 01:46:43,250
and snorkeling, holding a critically

1428
01:46:43,250 --> 01:46:44,916
endangered hammerhead that he had just

1429
01:46:44,916 --> 01:46:47,041
fished, really sent me on a spiral.

1430
01:46:48,125 --> 01:46:51,291
I wanted to target like changing the

1431
01:46:51,291 --> 01:46:52,916
perceptions in Florida shark fishermen

1432
01:46:52,916 --> 01:46:53,708
initially because I was

1433
01:46:53,708 --> 01:46:54,958
like, he's the problem.

1434
01:46:54,958 --> 01:46:55,916
People are like him with the problem.

1435
01:46:56,541 --> 01:46:58,000
And then I called my family and they

1436
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:58,875
talked me off the ledge.

1437
01:46:58,875 --> 01:47:00,708
They're like, look, girl, like you, we

1438
01:47:00,708 --> 01:47:03,000
you've talked to us enough for us to know

1439
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:04,250
that he is not the problem.

1440
01:47:04,625 --> 01:47:06,708
Florida shark fishermen are probably one

1441
01:47:06,708 --> 01:47:08,875
percent of the problem of why sharks are

1442
01:47:08,875 --> 01:47:09,791
dying around the world.

1443
01:47:10,541 --> 01:47:12,958
And like they're definitely the loudest,

1444
01:47:12,958 --> 01:47:14,625
but they are by no far the biggest.

1445
01:47:14,625 --> 01:47:15,791
So if you want to have the biggest impact

1446
01:47:15,791 --> 01:47:17,416
and stop sharks from being killed, like

1447
01:47:17,416 --> 01:47:19,791
let's go and be more effective with that.

1448
01:47:19,791 --> 01:47:20,750
Like location decision.

1449
01:47:21,416 --> 01:47:23,291
And I was secretly like, thank God,

1450
01:47:23,291 --> 01:47:25,458
because I could not do this.

1451
01:47:26,500 --> 01:47:30,958
If I tried. So I ended up initially I

1452
01:47:30,958 --> 01:47:32,041
wanted to make it like a project.

1453
01:47:32,125 --> 01:47:33,208
And I was like, wow, I had a huge club

1454
01:47:33,208 --> 01:47:34,541
because I was like, you know, I've seen

1455
01:47:34,541 --> 01:47:35,833
them on Instagram a bunch and I was like,

1456
01:47:35,833 --> 01:47:37,041
wow, what they do is so amazing.

1457
01:47:37,958 --> 01:47:39,750
And like it does sound so amazing.

1458
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:42,000
But what I did before I started it, I

1459
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:43,625
don't know, again, what triggered this.

1460
01:47:43,625 --> 01:47:45,583
But I reached out to Andrew Chin, who had

1461
01:47:45,583 --> 01:47:48,250
up until this point never responded to a

1462
01:47:48,250 --> 01:47:49,958
single email that I had ever sent him.

1463
01:47:49,958 --> 01:47:50,583
I was like, does he

1464
01:47:50,583 --> 01:47:51,333
even work here anymore?

1465
01:47:52,166 --> 01:47:54,000
Like, I literally couldn't even tell.

1466
01:47:55,791 --> 01:47:57,000
And then I said this last,

1467
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:59,166
like, last, last ditch effort.

1468
01:48:02,125 --> 01:48:02,291
And he said, I'm going

1469
01:48:02,291 --> 01:48:02,791
to go to Andrew fashion.

1470
01:48:02,791 --> 01:48:03,500
And I just responded.

1471
01:48:03,500 --> 01:48:05,791
He's like, I'm free tomorrow at ten.

1472
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:06,250
I'm like.

1473
01:48:07,541 --> 01:48:08,625
OK, where?

1474
01:48:09,375 --> 01:48:09,916
OK. Never mind.

1475
01:48:10,416 --> 01:48:12,291
I'll find you. I'll find you.

1476
01:48:12,500 --> 01:48:13,208
I'll be there.

1477
01:48:13,625 --> 01:48:16,208
I'll be there. And so he ended up meeting

1478
01:48:16,208 --> 01:48:19,250
with me and he was like, OK, look, you're

1479
01:48:19,250 --> 01:48:20,958
good to start Project Q Club.

1480
01:48:20,958 --> 01:48:22,125
Like, that sounds awesome because it

1481
01:48:22,125 --> 01:48:23,208
sounds like there's a lot of resources

1482
01:48:23,208 --> 01:48:24,375
that you both would be able to

1483
01:48:24,375 --> 01:48:26,000
participate in and like do well.

1484
01:48:26,583 --> 01:48:29,625
But what if you branched out like Project

1485
01:48:29,625 --> 01:48:31,125
Q has this incredible global platform

1486
01:48:31,125 --> 01:48:31,916
already enough that you don't have a chance to see?

1487
01:48:32,125 --> 01:48:34,458
But what about all those local Indonesian

1488
01:48:34,458 --> 01:48:36,041
organizations that are doing incredible

1489
01:48:36,041 --> 01:48:38,125
work on the ground, but they just do not

1490
01:48:38,125 --> 01:48:38,708
have the global

1491
01:48:38,708 --> 01:48:41,166
platform that Project Q has?

1492
01:48:41,166 --> 01:48:43,791
And I was like, whoa, you're so right.

1493
01:48:43,791 --> 01:48:45,875
Like, done. And then that's when the kind

1494
01:48:45,875 --> 01:48:47,333
of consortium model was formed.

1495
01:48:49,375 --> 01:48:50,666
Luca comes into this, who is my

1496
01:48:50,666 --> 01:48:53,916
co-founder, because when like after I had

1497
01:48:53,916 --> 01:48:57,416
after ADHD, we're going back in time now.

1498
01:48:57,458 --> 01:49:00,625
So I had just seen that post on Instagram

1499
01:49:00,625 --> 01:49:02,541
of the shark head, like the shark camera.

1500
01:49:02,791 --> 01:49:05,291
And then I had to go ironically to my

1501
01:49:05,291 --> 01:49:07,541
marine conservation biology class, which

1502
01:49:07,541 --> 01:49:09,125
during the entire thing, I was just like

1503
01:49:09,125 --> 01:49:10,083
sitting there blankly.

1504
01:49:10,083 --> 01:49:11,416
I was like, what the heck do I do? What

1505
01:49:11,416 --> 01:49:12,666
the heck do I do? What the heck do I do?

1506
01:49:12,916 --> 01:49:15,041
And then I leave class with Luca and

1507
01:49:15,041 --> 01:49:16,416
another friend and we're walking and I'm

1508
01:49:16,416 --> 01:49:18,208
telling them because I literally can't

1509
01:49:18,208 --> 01:49:18,916
keep a thought to myself.

1510
01:49:18,916 --> 01:49:20,208
So I'm telling them exactly what's on my

1511
01:49:20,208 --> 01:49:22,000
mind and all this issue

1512
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:22,666
with the shark fishing.

1513
01:49:22,958 --> 01:49:25,541
And I stopped literally dead in my tracks

1514
01:49:25,541 --> 01:49:27,958
and I was like, hold on, I'm going to go

1515
01:49:27,958 --> 01:49:29,500
start a club right now.

1516
01:49:29,833 --> 01:49:31,958
And I literally turned around and walked

1517
01:49:31,958 --> 01:49:33,000
to the J.C. USA

1518
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:34,958
office, like just impulsive.

1519
01:49:35,583 --> 01:49:37,708
And Luca was just like, what?

1520
01:49:38,125 --> 01:49:39,583
Just kept walking. But he immediately

1521
01:49:39,583 --> 01:49:40,625
texted me. Like my

1522
01:49:40,625 --> 01:49:41,708
phone immediately lit up.

1523
01:49:41,708 --> 01:49:42,500
He's like, I have no idea

1524
01:49:42,500 --> 01:49:43,500
what you're doing, but I'm in.

1525
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:46,166
I love it.

1526
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,208
And from that moment forward, it has been

1527
01:49:49,208 --> 01:49:50,625
a full on partnership.

1528
01:50:16,708 --> 01:50:18,250
Like that night we met in the kitchen of

1529
01:50:18,250 --> 01:50:18,458
our dorm and we're just like brainstorming ideas.

1530
01:50:18,708 --> 01:50:20,875
And so what the Institute is, it's a

1531
01:50:20,875 --> 01:50:22,750
student led shark conservation consortium

1532
01:50:22,750 --> 01:50:24,416
supporting different shark conservation

1533
01:50:24,416 --> 01:50:25,250
initiatives in

1534
01:50:25,250 --> 01:50:27,208
Indonesia and in Australia.

1535
01:50:27,500 --> 01:50:29,500
And I chose Indonesia because that's the

1536
01:50:29,500 --> 01:50:30,416
largest shark fishing market

1537
01:50:30,416 --> 01:50:32,333
that we're close closest to.

1538
01:50:32,333 --> 01:50:35,583
And I just feel like we already have like

1539
01:50:35,583 --> 01:50:37,333
through my lab, like there's also some

1540
01:50:37,333 --> 01:50:39,666
like, you know, people have connections

1541
01:50:39,666 --> 01:50:40,291
to some of the

1542
01:50:40,291 --> 01:50:41,583
organizations there already.

1543
01:50:42,500 --> 01:50:44,333
And so I was like, OK, that seems like a

1544
01:50:44,333 --> 01:50:46,666
pretty, pretty great place to start to

1545
01:50:46,666 --> 01:50:47,458
try and have an impact.

1546
01:50:47,541 --> 01:50:50,916
So, yeah, the the idea was multifold.

1547
01:50:51,416 --> 01:50:53,166
One of them was to support on

1548
01:50:53,166 --> 01:50:55,208
the ground like organization.

1549
01:50:55,416 --> 01:50:57,333
So we're not here to like jump in, do

1550
01:50:57,333 --> 01:50:59,083
some parachute science and jump out.

1551
01:50:59,083 --> 01:51:00,666
Like I didn't want to just be like, hey,

1552
01:51:00,916 --> 01:51:02,708
let's go start a club in Indonesia.

1553
01:51:03,083 --> 01:51:05,208
Let's like start one, you know, that just

1554
01:51:05,208 --> 01:51:06,250
takes over things that

1555
01:51:06,250 --> 01:51:07,083
people are already doing.

1556
01:51:07,083 --> 01:51:09,916
Because I just feel like in conservation,

1557
01:51:09,916 --> 01:51:12,083
so much work is happening in parallel,

1558
01:51:12,083 --> 01:51:14,958
like similar things going on and

1559
01:51:14,958 --> 01:51:16,041
different like, you

1560
01:51:16,041 --> 01:51:17,000
know, going like this.

1561
01:51:17,041 --> 01:51:18,208
But I just feel like there needs to be

1562
01:51:18,208 --> 01:51:19,291
intersection and collaboration.

1563
01:51:19,583 --> 01:51:20,333
And that's kind of the

1564
01:51:20,333 --> 01:51:21,125
basis of the institute.

1565
01:51:21,375 --> 01:51:22,041
It's like, OK, there's

1566
01:51:22,041 --> 01:51:23,458
incredible stuff happening already.

1567
01:51:24,166 --> 01:51:25,916
What do they need to in order to amplify

1568
01:51:25,916 --> 01:51:28,458
and expedite their their mission and what

1569
01:51:28,458 --> 01:51:29,208
they're trying to do?

1570
01:51:29,541 --> 01:51:31,041
And a lot of the times it comes down to,

1571
01:51:31,041 --> 01:51:35,708
you know, like doing like photo

1572
01:51:35,708 --> 01:51:37,541
identification analysis, like they have a

1573
01:51:37,541 --> 01:51:40,125
huge photo base of all these different

1574
01:51:40,125 --> 01:51:41,250
things that they want to analyze.

1575
01:51:41,250 --> 01:51:42,875
But they just don't have enough people

1576
01:51:42,875 --> 01:51:44,541
power to actually get through it.

1577
01:51:44,541 --> 01:51:45,666
But they have an incredible library.

1578
01:51:46,333 --> 01:51:47,666
So like that's something that we can help

1579
01:51:47,666 --> 01:51:49,708
with as institute members, because the

1580
01:51:49,708 --> 01:51:51,500
other side of this, aside from, you know,

1581
01:51:51,500 --> 01:51:52,416
helping different

1582
01:51:52,416 --> 01:51:53,916
organizations do their thing.

1583
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,500
We as J.C. students like love J.C.U.

1584
01:51:57,500 --> 01:52:00,541
But I felt starved of opportunities to

1585
01:52:00,541 --> 01:52:02,625
participate in any capacity in the shark

1586
01:52:02,625 --> 01:52:05,250
or rave field and in any field, to be

1587
01:52:05,250 --> 01:52:07,083
honest, like, you know, it

1588
01:52:07,083 --> 01:52:09,416
was even volunteer based.

1589
01:52:09,416 --> 01:52:10,916
I was like, I will do it for free.

1590
01:52:10,958 --> 01:52:13,875
No, no money. And still, it was super

1591
01:52:13,875 --> 01:52:15,625
duper duper difficult to even get my foot

1592
01:52:15,625 --> 01:52:16,833
in the door and anything, especially

1593
01:52:16,833 --> 01:52:18,166
because I had just come from a degree

1594
01:52:18,166 --> 01:52:19,375
that virtually had nothing

1595
01:52:19,375 --> 01:52:20,708
to do with marine science.

1596
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,041
So even on the volunteer list, there was

1597
01:52:23,041 --> 01:52:24,291
like rankings where it

1598
01:52:24,291 --> 01:52:25,416
was like, oh, OK, cool.

1599
01:52:25,416 --> 01:52:25,833
You already have

1600
01:52:25,833 --> 01:52:26,666
experience in aquaculture.

1601
01:52:26,916 --> 01:52:28,083
You can get in next. And I was like,

1602
01:52:28,083 --> 01:52:29,583
well, I'm never getting anywhere.

1603
01:52:31,083 --> 01:52:32,666
And so look at me.

1604
01:52:32,666 --> 01:52:33,500
You really didn't be tight.

1605
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:36,583
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1606
01:52:36,666 --> 01:52:38,250
Yeah, it just kind of felt gate kept.

1607
01:52:39,166 --> 01:52:41,958
And I was and I also had zero classes on

1608
01:52:41,958 --> 01:52:43,041
sharks and rays and I was

1609
01:52:43,041 --> 01:52:44,708
genuinely quite interested in them.

1610
01:52:44,708 --> 01:52:47,208
And I was just like, if I'm feeling this,

1611
01:52:47,500 --> 01:52:48,333
certainly the student

1612
01:52:48,333 --> 01:52:49,208
body is feeling worse.

1613
01:52:49,958 --> 01:52:51,750
So Luca and I started this institute with

1614
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:53,666
a very specific model involved.

1615
01:52:54,375 --> 01:52:56,333
Also, I was genuinely disappointed.

1616
01:52:56,541 --> 01:52:58,583
I had joined a few like school clubs.

1617
01:53:00,458 --> 01:53:01,958
I will. I guess I won't name them.

1618
01:53:02,750 --> 01:53:03,666
Maybe I will. And you can decide if you

1619
01:53:03,666 --> 01:53:04,208
want to take it out.

1620
01:53:04,458 --> 01:53:05,291
The J.C.U. Marine Society.

1621
01:53:05,583 --> 01:53:08,750
I joined them and I was so excited

1622
01:53:08,750 --> 01:53:09,500
because I was like,

1623
01:53:09,500 --> 01:53:11,291
yes, like a group of nerds.

1624
01:53:11,291 --> 01:53:12,458
We're going to have like talks and

1625
01:53:12,458 --> 01:53:13,375
lectures and like cool

1626
01:53:13,375 --> 01:53:14,166
things are going to happen.

1627
01:53:14,750 --> 01:53:18,208
And it was just like like a monthly or

1628
01:53:18,208 --> 01:53:20,541
bimonthly like social event at a pub.

1629
01:53:21,375 --> 01:53:22,166
I was like, wait, but

1630
01:53:22,166 --> 01:53:23,291
what about learning?

1631
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:26,000
Yeah, can we get some education?

1632
01:53:26,625 --> 01:53:28,500
And yeah, there was nothing going on.

1633
01:53:28,500 --> 01:53:29,208
So I was like, Luca,

1634
01:53:29,208 --> 01:53:30,125
we're doing this right.

1635
01:53:30,416 --> 01:53:32,375
We're doing it the way I want, which is,

1636
01:53:32,375 --> 01:53:34,541
yeah, we're doing biweekly meetings.

1637
01:53:35,041 --> 01:53:36,666
And I wanted to make sure that those

1638
01:53:36,666 --> 01:53:38,125
meetings didn't feel like other lectures.

1639
01:53:38,833 --> 01:53:40,291
So I had like a very

1640
01:53:40,291 --> 01:53:41,833
specific time frame for everything.

1641
01:53:41,833 --> 01:53:43,125
I was like, I want to I want these to be

1642
01:53:43,125 --> 01:53:45,000
like quick, quick master courses.

1643
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:46,958
I want people to understand all the

1644
01:53:46,958 --> 01:53:48,333
different areas that they could go into,

1645
01:53:48,458 --> 01:53:50,000
into like shark and ray conservation.

1646
01:53:50,125 --> 01:53:52,125
And I don't want them to

1647
01:53:52,125 --> 01:53:53,291
be regurgitated lectures.

1648
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,250
So I was like, OK, 15 minutes, we get two

1649
01:53:56,250 --> 01:53:57,916
speakers per session, 15

1650
01:53:57,916 --> 01:53:59,333
minute talk, 15 minute talk.

1651
01:53:59,333 --> 01:54:00,916
And then I wanted to make sure that

1652
01:54:00,916 --> 01:54:01,791
people are leaving bed and

1653
01:54:01,791 --> 01:54:03,375
they came in with their CVs.

1654
01:54:04,500 --> 01:54:06,625
And so I wanted hands on learning

1655
01:54:06,625 --> 01:54:07,750
experience in some capacity.

1656
01:54:08,375 --> 01:54:09,500
So that was ambitious.

1657
01:54:10,291 --> 01:54:12,083
But it actually worked for the most part.

1658
01:54:12,083 --> 01:54:13,416
We ended up going with one speaker, one

1659
01:54:13,416 --> 01:54:15,000
workshop now, because it was just a lot.

1660
01:54:15,458 --> 01:54:17,000
Yeah. But yeah, workshops

1661
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:18,625
involve things like, you know,

1662
01:54:20,416 --> 01:54:23,000
last like shark age, like verbal aging

1663
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:24,041
techniques to understand

1664
01:54:24,041 --> 01:54:25,125
like how people are used,

1665
01:54:25,125 --> 01:54:26,416
like how people are telling how old

1666
01:54:26,416 --> 01:54:27,833
sharks are at the current moment.

1667
01:54:28,125 --> 01:54:29,750
Or I taught underwater photography and

1668
01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:30,666
photo editing workshop,

1669
01:54:30,666 --> 01:54:31,875
because like I would have

1670
01:54:31,875 --> 01:54:32,500
freaking loved to

1671
01:54:32,500 --> 01:54:33,500
take something like that.

1672
01:54:35,291 --> 01:54:37,958
And yeah, like suturing, Nico, Dr.

1673
01:54:37,958 --> 01:54:40,708
Niko Lubitz had actually got us like a

1674
01:54:40,708 --> 01:54:41,833
bunch of mullet and

1675
01:54:41,833 --> 01:54:42,750
taught us like suturing

1676
01:54:42,750 --> 01:54:44,083
workshops so that we could actually learn

1677
01:54:44,083 --> 01:54:45,000
like hands on stuff for

1678
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,958
like field based work as well.

1679
01:54:47,958 --> 01:54:50,291
And yeah, so like people were leaving

1680
01:54:50,291 --> 01:54:51,541
better than they came in.

1681
01:54:51,750 --> 01:54:52,750
And it's just kind of

1682
01:54:52,750 --> 01:54:53,708
expanded since then.

1683
01:54:53,708 --> 01:54:55,875
We've created we've also partnered with

1684
01:54:55,875 --> 01:54:57,583
sharks for kids recently,

1685
01:54:57,583 --> 01:55:00,291
which I am so excited about.

1686
01:55:00,291 --> 01:55:01,083
Yeah, it's a gillion horse.

1687
01:55:01,375 --> 01:55:03,041
I have so, so excited.

1688
01:55:03,041 --> 01:55:04,750
But we've created like an outreach team

1689
01:55:04,750 --> 01:55:06,750
utilizing resources that already exists.

1690
01:55:06,750 --> 01:55:07,875
No need to admit the wheel.

1691
01:55:07,875 --> 01:55:09,125
Like she's got it covered.

1692
01:55:09,958 --> 01:55:10,125
Absolutely.

1693
01:55:10,208 --> 01:55:11,750
So we've got an outreach team. Now we

1694
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:12,875
just had a partnership with

1695
01:55:12,875 --> 01:55:14,000
Spottershark here in Australia,

1696
01:55:14,541 --> 01:55:16,166
which was an example of the photo

1697
01:55:16,166 --> 01:55:17,666
identification stuff that we've been

1698
01:55:17,666 --> 01:55:19,291
doing. Like she has this,

1699
01:55:19,666 --> 01:55:21,333
Sarah, the president of Spottershark has

1700
01:55:21,333 --> 01:55:23,000
this incredible library

1701
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:24,166
of thousands and thousands

1702
01:55:24,166 --> 01:55:26,083
of pictures of gray nurse sharks across

1703
01:55:26,083 --> 01:55:27,708
Australia. And they really

1704
01:55:27,708 --> 01:55:29,750
needed this one area to like,

1705
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:32,583
they really needed data on this one area

1706
01:55:32,583 --> 01:55:34,791
to look at the sharks and see if they had

1707
01:55:34,791 --> 01:55:37,041
any fishery related injuries in order to

1708
01:55:37,041 --> 01:55:38,625
protect them better, obviously, but they

1709
01:55:38,625 --> 01:55:40,000
didn't have the manpower to go through

1710
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:43,000
3500 pictures by the end of this month to

1711
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,458
submit it for, you know, a report that

1712
01:55:45,458 --> 01:55:47,125
was due to lobby for it.

1713
01:55:47,500 --> 01:55:49,583
And so I was like, hold on, like I have

1714
01:55:49,583 --> 01:55:52,666
an entire army of students that are

1715
01:55:52,666 --> 01:55:55,583
gunning for any opportunity they can to

1716
01:55:55,583 --> 01:55:57,125
get involved in meaningful shark

1717
01:55:57,125 --> 01:55:59,166
conservation to do any type of research.

1718
01:55:59,750 --> 01:56:01,750
And I was I was part of it too. I'm like,

1719
01:56:01,750 --> 01:56:03,125
I know photo identification, like

1720
01:56:03,125 --> 01:56:04,958
analysis is not super glamorous when

1721
01:56:04,958 --> 01:56:06,750
you're like higher up in your career.

1722
01:56:06,750 --> 01:56:08,416
It's kind of like, I shouldn't be doing

1723
01:56:08,416 --> 01:56:10,458
this. I don't need to do this. Like, you

1724
01:56:10,458 --> 01:56:12,708
know, people probably don't feel that

1725
01:56:12,708 --> 01:56:15,000
way. But you know, I get you. I get you.

1726
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:18,041
But I'm like, to me, even like two

1727
01:56:18,041 --> 01:56:20,083
undergrads who don't have any experience,

1728
01:56:20,083 --> 01:56:21,625
who just want experience to put on the

1729
01:56:21,625 --> 01:56:22,916
resume to get their foot in the door.

1730
01:56:22,916 --> 01:56:24,000
That's like life changing.

1731
01:56:24,125 --> 01:56:25,833
And so I initially was going to make a

1732
01:56:25,833 --> 01:56:27,958
group of just 10 people, but I had 26

1733
01:56:27,958 --> 01:56:29,541
incredible applicants apply and I was

1734
01:56:29,541 --> 01:56:31,166
like, heck yeah, the more the merrier.

1735
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:34,083
So we spent we split 3500 pictures up

1736
01:56:34,083 --> 01:56:36,125
against 26 people. I think it was like

1737
01:56:36,125 --> 01:56:40,583
140 ish pictures in two hours. Yeah, two

1738
01:56:40,583 --> 01:56:43,000
hours. We that group was so passionate

1739
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:45,166
and dedicated and so detail oriented.

1740
01:56:45,625 --> 01:56:47,833
We got that whole data set done within a

1741
01:56:47,833 --> 01:56:51,000
week. And like, I have follow up messages

1742
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:52,666
like that was the most meaningful thing

1743
01:56:52,666 --> 01:56:55,166
I've done so far. Mike, my degree and

1744
01:56:55,166 --> 01:56:57,083
like I've not been able to contribute in

1745
01:56:57,083 --> 01:56:58,875
this way before. So thank you

1746
01:56:58,875 --> 01:56:59,666
so much for the opportunity.

1747
01:56:59,875 --> 01:57:00,500
And you feel accomplished.

1748
01:57:00,500 --> 01:57:00,916
That would have just

1749
01:57:00,916 --> 01:57:01,750
been sitting somewhere.

1750
01:57:02,125 --> 01:57:02,916
Yeah, exactly.

1751
01:57:03,125 --> 01:57:04,916
Accomplished, right? That's so important

1752
01:57:04,916 --> 01:57:07,083
for students to feel like I've done

1753
01:57:07,083 --> 01:57:08,583
something, you know, out of

1754
01:57:08,583 --> 01:57:09,416
this, I think that's great.

1755
01:57:09,458 --> 01:57:11,041
And they can add it to like, that's a

1756
01:57:11,041 --> 01:57:12,291
skill. They've now done injury

1757
01:57:12,291 --> 01:57:14,500
assessments on grain of charge. And it's

1758
01:57:14,500 --> 01:57:16,458
something that might actually go to

1759
01:57:16,458 --> 01:57:18,166
inform policy change. Like, and they

1760
01:57:18,166 --> 01:57:18,708
would have been a

1761
01:57:18,708 --> 01:57:19,750
direct contributor to that.

1762
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,666
So that you hit on a thing there, too.

1763
01:57:21,666 --> 01:57:23,416
It's like, you know, if you can show

1764
01:57:23,416 --> 01:57:25,375
people like young people starting out,

1765
01:57:25,375 --> 01:57:27,541
like, that's a skill you learn. Gets back

1766
01:57:27,541 --> 01:57:30,166
to the speaking, writing, publishing, all

1767
01:57:30,166 --> 01:57:32,125
of their skills that those are sort of

1768
01:57:32,125 --> 01:57:33,375
intangible skills that

1769
01:57:33,375 --> 01:57:35,583
you can do pretty easily.

1770
01:57:35,791 --> 01:57:38,166
And it makes a powerful impact on a

1771
01:57:38,166 --> 01:57:41,083
resume for a young person. Yeah. Yeah.

1772
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:45,041
And so, so I got I got to ask you about

1773
01:57:45,041 --> 01:57:47,000
we have we got a little bit now. I

1774
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:48,291
haven't seen your Netflix show yet.

1775
01:57:48,291 --> 01:57:50,083
So don't give me any spoiler alerts yet.

1776
01:57:50,375 --> 01:57:51,541
But why don't you tell us a little bit

1777
01:57:51,541 --> 01:57:53,083
more like about like, how did you get

1778
01:57:53,083 --> 01:57:56,458
involved in that? And and what was it

1779
01:57:56,458 --> 01:57:58,458
like doing the show? And again, don't

1780
01:57:58,458 --> 01:57:59,375
give me anything away.

1781
01:57:59,375 --> 01:58:01,000
I haven't seen it yet. I won't catch it.

1782
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:03,625
So I won't. I won't. But Andrew, you

1783
01:58:03,625 --> 01:58:04,500
can't give anything away either.

1784
01:58:04,958 --> 01:58:07,708
I can't help it. I can't help it. I just

1785
01:58:07,708 --> 01:58:10,000
say, like, I'm too excited about this,

1786
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:16,000
but I just answer Andrew. Yeah. So I

1787
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,041
guess everybody's curious to hear like

1788
01:58:18,041 --> 01:58:21,666
how I got this opportunity. And like, the

1789
01:58:21,666 --> 01:58:24,125
answer is I have no freaking idea. Like,

1790
01:58:24,125 --> 01:58:26,791
I did not apply. I did not try out like

1791
01:58:26,791 --> 01:58:29,708
get whatever. I have talked to the

1792
01:58:29,708 --> 01:58:31,833
producer who ended up casting me for

1793
01:58:31,833 --> 01:58:33,291
this, like extensively.

1794
01:58:33,333 --> 01:58:35,583
And he's like, I think this is how. But

1795
01:58:35,583 --> 01:58:39,958
I, in classic ADHD fashion, boldly

1796
01:58:39,958 --> 01:58:43,000
started a video podcast series of which I

1797
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:46,041
did a single episode on before just like

1798
01:58:46,041 --> 01:58:48,125
moving on to the next thing. And it was

1799
01:58:48,125 --> 01:58:50,166
through Naked for Nature, actually. So

1800
01:58:50,166 --> 01:58:52,666
shout out Naked for Nature. But I had

1801
01:58:52,666 --> 01:58:55,166
interviewed my friend Lauren, who was a

1802
01:58:55,166 --> 01:58:57,083
shark diver in Jupiter about sustainable

1803
01:58:57,083 --> 01:58:58,875
shark eco tourism. Right.

1804
01:58:58,958 --> 01:59:01,750
And it was the only thing on the internet

1805
01:59:01,750 --> 01:59:04,458
tying my name to the word shark. And it

1806
01:59:04,458 --> 01:59:06,375
was a video of me talking and knowing

1807
01:59:06,375 --> 01:59:08,791
what I was talking about. And I think

1808
01:59:08,791 --> 01:59:11,125
that is literally how this guy found me.

1809
01:59:11,125 --> 01:59:13,416
And then I got an email, like, I don't

1810
01:59:13,416 --> 01:59:14,958
know, I don't actually know how much

1811
01:59:14,958 --> 01:59:16,208
later, but I just got an email from this

1812
01:59:16,208 --> 01:59:18,208
guy named Mike with a Y. And

1813
01:59:18,208 --> 01:59:19,333
I was like, this is a scam.

1814
01:59:19,916 --> 01:59:23,208
And it was just like, oh, I've cast you

1815
01:59:23,208 --> 01:59:25,208
for this shark TV show, blah, blah, blah.

1816
01:59:25,208 --> 01:59:26,708
I didn't have anything on my socials or

1817
01:59:26,708 --> 01:59:28,541
anything to indicate that I was really

1818
01:59:28,541 --> 01:59:30,500
into sharks at this point in my life. So

1819
01:59:30,500 --> 01:59:32,541
I was like, that is way too specific. I'm

1820
01:59:32,541 --> 01:59:35,666
in. So yeah, I interviewed with him. That

1821
01:59:35,666 --> 01:59:37,333
was like, nearly three years ago now.

1822
01:59:37,375 --> 01:59:40,208
Oh, wow. It's been in the making for a

1823
01:59:40,208 --> 01:59:42,541
while. Yeah. Well, I literally did not

1824
01:59:42,541 --> 01:59:44,916
believe it was happening until I was in

1825
01:59:44,916 --> 01:59:48,083
the Maldives. But yeah, it was a slow

1826
01:59:48,083 --> 01:59:50,916
burn that he cast me then. And then that

1827
01:59:50,916 --> 01:59:52,916
show initially didn't go through. So a

1828
01:59:52,916 --> 01:59:54,291
year later, I got the same message from

1829
01:59:54,291 --> 01:59:56,791
him. And I was like, yo, what? Whatever.

1830
01:59:56,791 --> 01:59:58,083
I'll call you. I'll see what it's like.

1831
01:59:58,083 --> 01:59:59,291
And he's like, this is really happening.

1832
01:59:59,916 --> 02:00:03,250
And yeah, and I literally still like

1833
02:00:03,250 --> 02:00:04,208
heard nothing from him up

1834
02:00:04,208 --> 02:00:06,333
until like, like a week before.

1835
02:00:06,375 --> 02:00:10,041
The general date vicinity. And he's like,

1836
02:00:10,041 --> 02:00:11,791
you'll just get a plane ticket. You'll

1837
02:00:11,791 --> 02:00:14,791
get a date and you're like, what am I

1838
02:00:14,791 --> 02:00:16,250
getting kidnapped or something? Like

1839
02:00:16,250 --> 02:00:20,666
what? You know what I mean? Like, yeah,

1840
02:00:20,666 --> 02:00:21,958
I'll meet you on the Maldives. Like, come

1841
02:00:21,958 --> 02:00:24,625
on. He FaceTimed us. Like he FaceTimed

1842
02:00:24,625 --> 02:00:27,000
the cast. Like, you know, maybe a week

1843
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:28,416
before we were supposed to leave. He told

1844
02:00:28,416 --> 02:00:29,375
us all this. Like, you'll get a plane

1845
02:00:29,375 --> 02:00:31,041
ticket. Like, we don't know when it

1846
02:00:31,041 --> 02:00:32,000
starts. We don't know where it starts. We don't know who else is on it. Also, you can't talk about this because it's just a

1847
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:38,833
NDA and I was just like, he's like any

1848
02:00:38,833 --> 02:00:42,916
questions. I was like. Am I getting

1849
02:00:42,916 --> 02:00:46,250
traffic? And he was like, he was like,

1850
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:49,375
what? People don't realize that which you

1851
02:00:49,375 --> 02:00:51,250
have to ask that kind of stuff. Like,

1852
02:00:51,250 --> 02:00:53,375
it's like, there's too much secrecy

1853
02:00:53,375 --> 02:00:56,083
involved sometimes. I know. I was like,

1854
02:00:56,625 --> 02:00:57,958
thank you. That's all I need. And he's

1855
02:00:57,958 --> 02:01:00,958
like, and if he were, why would I? Why

1856
02:01:00,958 --> 02:01:02,000
would I? Yes. Well, I tell you, it's not a question. If you're trying to get an answer. But it's like, I hope you're doing it. And I'm not going to be able to answer your question. I'm not going to be able to get this. You're going to be talking
about the question. I'm going to be able to answer your question. I'm going to be doing it. I'm going to be getting a question. But the question is, like, what is it? I'm going to be getting a question. I'm going to be talking to you.

1857
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:04,000
You are, you are, and I'm like,

1858
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:05,000
I'm just trying to feel better now. By the way, just to warn

1859
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:06,250
you, you will be trafficked.

1860
02:01:06,583 --> 02:01:07,458
(laughing)

1861
02:01:08,958 --> 02:01:10,125
So yeah, we made it, and

1862
02:01:10,125 --> 02:01:11,416
that's like an ongoing joke

1863
02:01:11,583 --> 02:01:13,000
between all the producers now.

1864
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:13,500
They're like, "Leah,

1865
02:01:13,500 --> 02:01:14,625
do you believe us now?"

1866
02:01:15,166 --> 02:01:15,583
(laughing)

1867
02:01:16,041 --> 02:01:17,750
Yeah, kinda, kinda. Yeah.

1868
02:01:17,750 --> 02:01:18,458
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1869
02:01:19,041 --> 02:01:19,916
But I mean, look, this

1870
02:01:19,916 --> 02:01:22,916
is, it's a cool show.

1871
02:01:23,291 --> 02:01:24,333
Give us the premise of the

1872
02:01:24,333 --> 02:01:27,041
show before we go any further.

1873
02:01:27,875 --> 02:01:28,708
Yeah, so pretty much

1874
02:01:28,708 --> 02:01:30,666
it's a competition show

1875
02:01:31,208 --> 02:01:32,000
between four different

1876
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:33,375
teams of shark experts

1877
02:01:33,375 --> 02:01:35,250
or enthusiasts that travel the world

1878
02:01:35,500 --> 02:01:37,250
to photograph the most

1879
02:01:37,250 --> 02:01:38,625
amount of different species

1880
02:01:38,625 --> 02:01:40,375
of sharks and rays that they possibly can

1881
02:01:41,208 --> 02:01:42,250
to gain points to

1882
02:01:42,250 --> 02:01:43,166
ultimately be the winner

1883
02:01:43,166 --> 02:01:43,791
of all the sharks.

1884
02:01:44,833 --> 02:01:45,416
And it's cool,

1885
02:01:45,416 --> 02:01:46,708
cause it breaks out of that echo chamber

1886
02:01:47,166 --> 02:01:48,875
Yes. being a contest show, you know?

1887
02:01:49,291 --> 02:01:51,583
Yes, and it's kinda like the same thing

1888
02:01:51,583 --> 02:01:52,375
we've been talking about

1889
02:01:52,375 --> 02:01:53,250
throughout this episode.

1890
02:01:53,250 --> 02:01:54,375
It's just something different.

1891
02:01:54,375 --> 02:01:55,625
It's something that people can get into

1892
02:01:55,625 --> 02:01:56,750
cause it's like a game show.

1893
02:01:57,458 --> 02:01:58,291
It's not invasive.

1894
02:01:59,041 --> 02:01:59,791
You know what I mean? Right.

1895
02:01:59,875 --> 02:02:01,125
There's no touching of sharks.

1896
02:02:01,500 --> 02:02:02,125
Exactly. There's no

1897
02:02:02,125 --> 02:02:03,500
hanging on the fins of a shark.

1898
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:07,125
I have seen more species on this show,

1899
02:02:07,458 --> 02:02:09,125
these six episodes that I have seen

1900
02:02:09,833 --> 02:02:11,291
for 20 years in Shark Week.

1901
02:02:11,708 --> 02:02:12,208
Let's be honest. 100%.

1902
02:02:12,875 --> 02:02:14,000
Right, and Dave, you can probably like,

1903
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:14,875
once you see it, you'll

1904
02:02:14,875 --> 02:02:17,208
be like, yeah, I get it.

1905
02:02:17,541 --> 02:02:19,166
And the education that

1906
02:02:19,166 --> 02:02:20,500
came along with that,

1907
02:02:20,500 --> 02:02:21,083
there's like a little

1908
02:02:21,083 --> 02:02:22,958
profile of every shark.

1909
02:02:22,958 --> 02:02:23,791
If it's a new shark,

1910
02:02:24,041 --> 02:02:24,875
they put a profile

1911
02:02:24,875 --> 02:02:27,000
conservation status, you know, age,

1912
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:28,541
like approximate age range.

1913
02:02:28,833 --> 02:02:30,791
When I saw that, I was

1914
02:02:30,791 --> 02:02:31,916
like, this is amazing.

1915
02:02:32,250 --> 02:02:32,791
Like not only is it

1916
02:02:32,791 --> 02:02:34,500
entertaining, there's, you know,

1917
02:02:34,500 --> 02:02:35,208
obviously I was going

1918
02:02:35,208 --> 02:02:36,500
for your team, you and MJ,

1919
02:02:37,583 --> 02:02:38,541
and I was like, but it's

1920
02:02:38,541 --> 02:02:39,875
like, you go for somebody

1921
02:02:40,291 --> 02:02:42,708
and it's, you know, nobody was,

1922
02:02:42,708 --> 02:02:43,416
it's one of those things

1923
02:02:43,416 --> 02:02:44,500
that gets like a reality show,

1924
02:02:44,500 --> 02:02:45,666
but not like a reality show.

1925
02:02:45,666 --> 02:02:46,875
Like you weren't at each other's throats.

1926
02:02:46,875 --> 02:02:47,500
You weren't pitted

1927
02:02:47,500 --> 02:02:49,125
against each other in a way.

1928
02:02:49,500 --> 02:02:50,250
You know, I think

1929
02:02:50,250 --> 02:02:51,416
somebody found something

1930
02:02:51,416 --> 02:02:53,291
and I forget the shark was in Bimini.

1931
02:02:53,291 --> 02:02:54,458
You're like, oh, you found that?

1932
02:02:54,458 --> 02:02:55,958
Like I've never seen that before.

1933
02:02:55,958 --> 02:02:56,666
And there was like

1934
02:02:56,666 --> 02:02:58,291
crazy amount of points.

1935
02:02:58,333 --> 02:03:00,625
No spoilers, but anyway,

1936
02:03:00,625 --> 02:03:03,166
it was just really cool.

1937
02:03:03,166 --> 02:03:05,916
The way it all turned out,

1938
02:03:05,916 --> 02:03:07,291
like being a part of

1939
02:03:07,291 --> 02:03:09,000
something like that and seeing,

1940
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:10,166
like I know we kind of

1941
02:03:10,166 --> 02:03:11,000
chatted before and like,

1942
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:11,791
I have no idea what

1943
02:03:11,791 --> 02:03:12,833
this is going to look like.

1944
02:03:13,166 --> 02:03:13,541
I'm a little nervous.

1945
02:03:13,541 --> 02:03:14,083
I think you even put

1946
02:03:14,083 --> 02:03:14,916
on your social media.

1947
02:03:15,166 --> 02:03:16,291
Like I have no idea

1948
02:03:16,291 --> 02:03:17,291
what this is going to be.

1949
02:03:17,291 --> 02:03:19,208
I haven't seen the first cut or the edit.

1950
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:23,458
It's really interesting like to see that

1951
02:03:23,458 --> 02:03:24,416
and especially with

1952
02:03:24,416 --> 02:03:25,958
the history of scientists

1953
02:03:26,208 --> 02:03:28,166
being manipulated within the media,

1954
02:03:28,583 --> 02:03:30,583
when you watch the show,

1955
02:03:31,916 --> 02:03:33,291
what was the feeling going

1956
02:03:33,291 --> 02:03:34,708
through as you were watching it?

1957
02:03:35,458 --> 02:03:36,416
Oh, relief.

1958
02:03:38,458 --> 02:03:39,291
Oh my gosh.

1959
02:03:39,708 --> 02:03:40,791
Cause like they, they sold

1960
02:03:40,791 --> 02:03:42,541
it to us exactly how it was,

1961
02:03:42,541 --> 02:03:44,125
but I am obviously

1962
02:03:44,125 --> 02:03:46,083
incredibly skeptical of like media,

1963
02:03:46,333 --> 02:03:48,000
especially shark media.

1964
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:48,875
So I was just like,

1965
02:03:49,208 --> 02:03:50,875
did I just throw out

1966
02:03:50,875 --> 02:03:51,875
my little tiny career

1967
02:03:51,875 --> 02:03:53,291
that I just started in science?

1968
02:03:54,625 --> 02:03:59,500
Oh well. But I was

1969
02:03:59,500 --> 02:04:03,000
genuinely like, oh, this is so good.

1970
02:04:03,291 --> 02:04:05,250
This is exactly what

1971
02:04:05,250 --> 02:04:07,083
was sold to us. So relief.

1972
02:04:07,833 --> 02:04:08,625
Well, and I'll tell you the

1973
02:04:08,625 --> 02:04:11,583
cinematography was impeccable.

1974
02:04:11,666 --> 02:04:12,166
Oh my God.

1975
02:04:12,666 --> 02:04:13,791
I have to shout that out

1976
02:04:13,791 --> 02:04:15,916
because I don't think the general

1977
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:18,833
public understands how freaking tough it

1978
02:04:18,833 --> 02:04:20,000
was obviously to get

1979
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:20,708
the shots of the

1980
02:04:20,708 --> 02:04:22,541
sharks and us in the shots,

1981
02:04:22,625 --> 02:04:23,458
like getting the

1982
02:04:23,458 --> 02:04:24,083
sharks and rays and stuff.

1983
02:04:24,791 --> 02:04:26,416
But like this was a contest.

1984
02:04:26,875 --> 02:04:27,958
I wasn't waiting for anyone.

1985
02:04:28,333 --> 02:04:29,708
Like I was in the water.

1986
02:04:29,708 --> 02:04:31,000
I was sprinting after

1987
02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:32,500
like, you know, not, not,

1988
02:04:33,333 --> 02:04:34,708
not too close to animals or stuff.

1989
02:04:34,708 --> 02:04:35,375
But if I saw a shark

1990
02:04:35,375 --> 02:04:36,125
over in the distance,

1991
02:04:36,125 --> 02:04:37,250
I'm like booking it there.

1992
02:04:37,250 --> 02:04:38,375
I'm not waiting for anyone.

1993
02:04:39,375 --> 02:04:41,208
Exactly. Like I'm not waiting for anyone.

1994
02:04:41,208 --> 02:04:41,916
And these cameramen

1995
02:04:41,916 --> 02:04:43,625
underwater with these massive red

1996
02:04:43,750 --> 02:04:46,208
cameras have to be like chasing us full,

1997
02:04:46,375 --> 02:04:47,375
full speed. Cause I'm

1998
02:04:47,375 --> 02:04:48,333
like, this is life or death.

1999
02:04:48,500 --> 02:04:49,791
Like I'm not here to lose.

2000
02:04:50,458 --> 02:04:52,583
So I'm like running and

2001
02:04:52,583 --> 02:04:54,000
they had to chase us like,

2002
02:04:54,500 --> 02:04:56,041
Yeah, that's awesome.

2003
02:04:56,333 --> 02:04:58,166
I, you know, I, you know, I, I, you know,

2004
02:04:58,166 --> 02:04:59,041
I think in Andrew, we

2005
02:04:59,041 --> 02:05:01,875
had, we had last fall,

2006
02:05:01,875 --> 02:05:05,166
we had Alex McInturff on from the,

2007
02:05:05,166 --> 02:05:07,250
from the lab up at Oregon state.

2008
02:05:07,458 --> 02:05:10,166
She is a super competitive person.

2009
02:05:10,416 --> 02:05:11,083
She played college

2010
02:05:11,083 --> 02:05:13,291
soccer. She's still super.

2011
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:15,375
We talked about that on the episodes.

2012
02:05:15,750 --> 02:05:16,958
Oh, she'd be perfect for this one.

2013
02:05:16,958 --> 02:05:17,583
I'd be perfect.

2014
02:05:17,583 --> 02:05:18,208
The only problem there

2015
02:05:18,208 --> 02:05:20,000
would be taken, she'd, she'd be,

2016
02:05:20,416 --> 02:05:21,416
she'd be awesome.

2017
02:05:21,666 --> 02:05:22,375
She'd get fit. She'd

2018
02:05:22,375 --> 02:05:23,208
be, you'd be careful.

2019
02:05:23,666 --> 02:05:24,250
Yeah, you have to be okay.

2020
02:05:24,250 --> 02:05:25,875
You might get a shiv in

2021
02:05:25,875 --> 02:05:27,041
your back or something, man.

2022
02:05:27,041 --> 02:05:27,750
She's like, the one

2023
02:05:27,750 --> 02:05:29,375
this thing I could do.

2024
02:05:29,375 --> 02:05:30,333
And Alex, we're out there.

2025
02:05:30,583 --> 02:05:31,833
Love you, man. We just didn't want to,

2026
02:05:32,416 --> 02:05:33,458
I just thought about

2027
02:05:33,458 --> 02:05:34,375
you in this whole show.

2028
02:05:34,708 --> 02:05:36,916
So, but anyway,

2029
02:05:36,916 --> 02:05:38,416
We know what's funny.

2030
02:05:38,875 --> 02:05:40,541
This is just a funny little

2031
02:05:40,541 --> 02:05:42,166
bit, but we'll two things.

2032
02:05:42,166 --> 02:05:45,041
One, I, the first

2033
02:05:45,041 --> 02:05:46,791
scenes that they filmed in,

2034
02:05:46,791 --> 02:05:48,041
in the Maldives, like

2035
02:05:48,041 --> 02:05:48,958
they had us, you know,

2036
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:50,291
all standing fish.

2037
02:05:50,416 --> 02:05:51,791
The host was telling

2038
02:05:51,791 --> 02:05:52,791
us what the rules were.

2039
02:05:52,791 --> 02:05:53,416
And then he was like,

2040
02:05:53,416 --> 02:05:55,416
get up and get out there.

2041
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:58,166
And I had no idea what was going on.

2042
02:05:58,166 --> 02:05:59,916
I thought everything was a contest.

2043
02:06:00,250 --> 02:06:02,250
So I picked up my bag and I

2044
02:06:02,250 --> 02:06:03,666
sprinted right out of frame,

2045
02:06:04,041 --> 02:06:05,791
like not in the drone shot.

2046
02:06:05,791 --> 02:06:06,875
I'm so far away from

2047
02:06:06,875 --> 02:06:07,875
everyone because I'm,

2048
02:06:07,875 --> 02:06:08,916
I have no idea where I'm running.

2049
02:06:09,333 --> 02:06:10,500
I'm just sprinting.

2050
02:06:10,500 --> 02:06:11,958
I'm like, I'm not losing this race.

2051
02:06:12,458 --> 02:06:13,125
Let along this game.

2052
02:06:13,125 --> 02:06:14,958
I will win each little battle.

2053
02:06:15,791 --> 02:06:16,916
Literally. I'm like, I'm

2054
02:06:16,916 --> 02:06:18,000
chipping away at everyone here.

2055
02:06:18,541 --> 02:06:20,583
So that's, that's fun.

2056
02:06:20,666 --> 02:06:21,625
Oh, great.

2057
02:06:21,791 --> 02:06:23,708
Great. Well, yeah, it was, you know,

2058
02:06:23,708 --> 02:06:24,375
Leah, we'll have to

2059
02:06:24,375 --> 02:06:25,291
have you come back on.

2060
02:06:25,291 --> 02:06:25,833
This has been a

2061
02:06:25,833 --> 02:06:28,000
fricking amazing episode here.

2062
02:06:28,958 --> 02:06:30,250
And I'll, I'll, I'll try

2063
02:06:30,250 --> 02:06:31,500
to make a point to watch,

2064
02:06:31,500 --> 02:06:33,000
watch the series here.

2065
02:06:33,291 --> 02:06:37,750
So they can and thank you so much.

2066
02:06:37,750 --> 02:06:38,458
We just got to ask you

2067
02:06:38,458 --> 02:06:39,541
like, so where do you see,

2068
02:06:40,083 --> 02:06:41,416
kind of our final question is where do

2069
02:06:41,416 --> 02:06:42,250
you see your career?

2070
02:06:42,583 --> 02:06:44,291
Like five, 10, 20 years.

2071
02:06:44,291 --> 02:06:45,083
This is the question I want to hear.

2072
02:06:45,375 --> 02:06:45,583
Yeah.

2073
02:06:46,041 --> 02:06:46,250
No.

2074
02:06:49,250 --> 02:06:50,833
Five years from now,

2075
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,583
I hope to have been to Antarctica.

2076
02:06:53,916 --> 02:06:56,708
That's as far as that's

2077
02:06:56,708 --> 02:06:57,666
been on my five year plan

2078
02:06:58,083 --> 02:06:58,958
for the past two years.

2079
02:06:58,958 --> 02:06:59,708
So that's gotta happen

2080
02:06:59,708 --> 02:07:00,666
in the next three years.

2081
02:07:01,791 --> 02:07:02,500
I hope to get to

2082
02:07:02,500 --> 02:07:03,625
Antarctica at some point.

2083
02:07:03,625 --> 02:07:04,916
And I also hope to be

2084
02:07:04,916 --> 02:07:07,250
fully working for myself

2085
02:07:07,583 --> 02:07:10,291
and the Finstitute full time and

2086
02:07:10,291 --> 02:07:11,541
traveling the world,

2087
02:07:11,750 --> 02:07:13,208
showcasing the beauty of

2088
02:07:13,208 --> 02:07:16,208
it to the general public.

2089
02:07:16,250 --> 02:07:17,666
No idea what that will look like, but

2090
02:07:17,666 --> 02:07:19,291
generally on the run.

2091
02:07:19,583 --> 02:07:19,791
Awesome.

2092
02:07:20,250 --> 02:07:20,500
Yeah.

2093
02:07:21,166 --> 02:07:23,083
We wish you all the best in your journey

2094
02:07:23,083 --> 02:07:24,166
and we'll definitely have

2095
02:07:24,166 --> 02:07:25,791
you come back on and update us

2096
02:07:25,791 --> 02:07:27,541
and how your, how your progress is going

2097
02:07:27,541 --> 02:07:28,916
on your journey out.

2098
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:29,166
Yeah.

2099
02:07:29,541 --> 02:07:30,375
I see what's

2100
02:07:30,375 --> 02:07:31,583
happening with the Finstitute

2101
02:07:31,791 --> 02:07:32,875
in like a year from now.

2102
02:07:32,875 --> 02:07:33,916
I think it'll be a lot of fun.

2103
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:34,583
Oh yeah.

2104
02:07:35,041 --> 02:07:35,708
A lot of updates.

2105
02:07:36,125 --> 02:07:36,708
A lot of updates.

2106
02:07:36,708 --> 02:07:36,916
Yeah.

2107
02:07:36,958 --> 02:07:37,125
Yeah.

2108
02:07:37,666 --> 02:07:38,708
Catch us at Sharks International.

2109
02:07:39,583 --> 02:07:40,083
Yes.

2110
02:07:40,083 --> 02:07:40,791
I'll see you there.

2111
02:07:40,791 --> 02:07:41,375
I'll see you there.

2112
02:07:41,375 --> 02:07:42,375
I'll see you there.

2113
02:07:42,375 --> 02:07:45,416
See you in Colombo next year.

2114
02:07:45,458 --> 02:07:46,125
See you in Colombo.

2115
02:07:46,791 --> 02:07:47,250
I'll be there.

2116
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:48,208
So cool.

2117
02:07:48,500 --> 02:07:48,666
All right.

2118
02:07:49,041 --> 02:07:49,250
I'm so excited.

2119
02:07:49,541 --> 02:07:50,125
Thanks a lot.

2120
02:07:50,166 --> 02:07:50,458
We have, sorry.

2121
02:07:50,458 --> 02:07:51,250
We have one more question

2122
02:07:51,250 --> 02:07:52,666
that we ask every, everybody.

2123
02:07:52,666 --> 02:07:53,000
Oh yeah.

2124
02:07:53,500 --> 02:07:54,666
Like you've been through a lot.

2125
02:07:54,958 --> 02:07:56,625
It's early on in your career.

2126
02:07:57,250 --> 02:07:58,625
What any, and you probably

2127
02:07:58,625 --> 02:08:00,291
do a lot of like mentoring

2128
02:08:00,458 --> 02:08:01,375
with the Finstitute.

2129
02:08:02,250 --> 02:08:04,333
What would you suggest, you know,

2130
02:08:04,333 --> 02:08:05,583
if people want to get into shark science

2131
02:08:05,583 --> 02:08:06,916
or shark conservation or

2132
02:08:06,916 --> 02:08:08,041
even science communication,

2133
02:08:09,541 --> 02:08:11,250
what would you recommend they do?

2134
02:08:11,250 --> 02:08:12,875
Like what would be your big suggestion?

2135
02:08:13,333 --> 02:08:14,541
Like the one thing.

2136
02:08:17,041 --> 02:08:17,833
Why do you say one?

2137
02:08:18,875 --> 02:08:18,916
(laughing)

2138
02:08:19,041 --> 02:08:19,791
Okay, give us three.

2139
02:08:19,791 --> 02:08:20,416
If you want to do more, that's fine.

2140
02:08:20,416 --> 02:08:20,958
You can do more.

2141
02:08:21,208 --> 02:08:21,250
Maybe if you want.

2142
02:08:21,250 --> 02:08:22,041
I'll just do two.

2143
02:08:22,375 --> 02:08:23,625
The first is like a mini plug

2144
02:08:23,625 --> 02:08:25,166
because this just is a new development,

2145
02:08:25,416 --> 02:08:27,708
but the Finistitudes officially accepting

2146
02:08:28,250 --> 02:08:28,625
international

2147
02:08:28,625 --> 02:08:30,625
members, non-student members.

2148
02:08:31,416 --> 02:08:33,166
Like that is a really great resource.

2149
02:08:33,500 --> 02:08:35,041
We are making, we're hosting

2150
02:08:35,041 --> 02:08:35,791
international sharks

2151
02:08:35,916 --> 02:08:37,916
science expeditions starting actually

2152
02:08:37,916 --> 02:08:38,666
right after sharks

2153
02:08:38,666 --> 02:08:41,666
international in May, 2026.

2154
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:43,541
And then we also have a ton of resources

2155
02:08:43,791 --> 02:08:44,083
that we're gonna make

2156
02:08:44,083 --> 02:08:45,041
available on our website

2157
02:08:45,541 --> 02:08:46,125
that will just help you

2158
02:08:46,125 --> 02:08:47,083
get your foot in the door,

2159
02:08:47,625 --> 02:08:48,375
help you just learn a

2160
02:08:48,375 --> 02:08:49,250
little bit more about the field

2161
02:08:49,250 --> 02:08:50,250
and the realities of the

2162
02:08:50,250 --> 02:08:52,125
field and stuff like that.

2163
02:08:52,416 --> 02:08:53,708
But I would also just say on like a

2164
02:08:53,708 --> 02:08:54,750
philosophical level,

2165
02:08:55,208 --> 02:08:57,208
just for success in life in general,

2166
02:08:58,250 --> 02:09:00,333
just don't wait for the perfect moment.

2167
02:09:00,750 --> 02:09:01,458
Just send it.

2168
02:09:01,750 --> 02:09:04,250
Just send it because you don't know what,

2169
02:09:05,250 --> 02:09:05,916
you don't know what you're

2170
02:09:05,916 --> 02:09:07,166
capable of until you do it.

2171
02:09:07,750 --> 02:09:08,375
And the best way to

2172
02:09:08,375 --> 02:09:09,333
learn is through experience.

2173
02:09:09,583 --> 02:09:11,125
So I say, just send it.

2174
02:09:11,833 --> 02:09:12,458
I love that.

2175
02:09:12,458 --> 02:09:12,916
I love that.

2176
02:09:13,541 --> 02:09:14,500
Thank you so much for coming on.

2177
02:09:14,500 --> 02:09:16,333
I mean, this has been a big pleasure for

2178
02:09:16,333 --> 02:09:17,583
us to have you on the podcast.

2179
02:09:17,583 --> 02:09:19,916
You bring such a great energy to the

2180
02:09:19,916 --> 02:09:22,583
interview and congratulations on the

2181
02:09:22,583 --> 02:09:24,500
success of all the sharks.

2182
02:09:24,833 --> 02:09:27,208
I, you're gonna, Netflix is going to get

2183
02:09:27,208 --> 02:09:29,000
a boost in Burlington,

2184
02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:30,541
Ontario, where I live because

2185
02:09:30,541 --> 02:09:31,916
I've been telling everybody.

2186
02:09:32,500 --> 02:09:34,375
Like I have friends who like come to me,

2187
02:09:34,375 --> 02:09:34,958
like their kids have

2188
02:09:34,958 --> 02:09:36,041
questions about, you know,

2189
02:09:36,458 --> 02:09:37,833
marine biology and like sharks.

2190
02:09:38,041 --> 02:09:39,458
And I'm like telling them like, this is

2191
02:09:39,458 --> 02:09:41,375
what you want to watch, you know,

2192
02:09:41,375 --> 02:09:42,833
because every time they see someone,

2193
02:09:42,875 --> 02:09:43,583
they're like, should I watch this?

2194
02:09:43,583 --> 02:09:45,375
I'm like, no, don't watch this.

2195
02:09:45,375 --> 02:09:46,000
Watch this.

2196
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:47,166
Like watch this one.

2197
02:09:47,166 --> 02:09:48,416
This is the one you want to watch.

2198
02:09:48,583 --> 02:09:50,916
So, so I thank you for that, for being a

2199
02:09:50,916 --> 02:09:53,041
part of that and for bringing this to

2200
02:09:53,416 --> 02:09:55,000
to the public, you know, as

2201
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:56,083
you, you're still, you know,

2202
02:09:56,500 --> 02:09:58,208
you're changing the game the way it is.

2203
02:09:58,208 --> 02:10:00,208
And we really appreciate that and coming

2204
02:10:00,208 --> 02:10:01,500
on here and sharing that with us.

2205
02:10:01,500 --> 02:10:02,541
So we really do appreciate it.

2206
02:10:02,541 --> 02:10:03,125
Thank you so much.

2207
02:10:04,166 --> 02:10:04,750
Anytime.

2208
02:10:05,083 --> 02:10:05,500
Oh my gosh.

2209
02:10:05,500 --> 02:10:06,500
Thank you guys so much.

2210
02:10:07,125 --> 02:10:07,875
Take care.

2211
02:10:08,708 --> 02:10:09,125
All right.

2212
02:10:09,791 --> 02:10:11,250
Thank you, Aliyah, for joining us on

2213
02:10:11,250 --> 02:10:12,625
today's episode of the Beyond Josh

2214
02:10:12,625 --> 02:10:13,541
podcast. It was such a

2215
02:10:13,541 --> 02:10:14,458
treat to have you on.

2216
02:10:15,250 --> 02:10:15,791
Dave, what did you

2217
02:10:15,791 --> 02:10:16,375
think of the interview?

2218
02:10:16,916 --> 02:10:17,708
Oh, it was awesome.

2219
02:10:17,708 --> 02:10:19,291
I mean, it definitely was.

2220
02:10:19,791 --> 02:10:20,625
I didn't have a lot.

2221
02:10:20,625 --> 02:10:22,000
I didn't really know that much going in,

2222
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:23,416
but boy, we could have gone on for

2223
02:10:23,416 --> 02:10:25,583
another hour, which means it was just a

2224
02:10:25,583 --> 02:10:26,666
great thing because we'll probably have

2225
02:10:26,666 --> 02:10:27,625
her back on to have

2226
02:10:27,625 --> 02:10:28,625
another hour with her.

2227
02:10:28,625 --> 02:10:30,458
She's actually she was just like a live

2228
02:10:30,458 --> 02:10:32,375
wire with all the stuff she's done.

2229
02:10:32,375 --> 02:10:32,625
Oh man.

2230
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:33,583
And as you know, that was

2231
02:10:33,583 --> 02:10:34,666
prepping for the introduction.

2232
02:10:34,666 --> 02:10:36,125
I was going through all of her materials

2233
02:10:36,125 --> 02:10:37,291
and I was just kind of like, holy

2234
02:10:37,375 --> 02:10:39,208
smokes. How do we put this in like a

2235
02:10:39,208 --> 02:10:41,083
short brief type of thing?

2236
02:10:41,333 --> 02:10:42,166
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I know.

2237
02:10:42,500 --> 02:10:43,333
So it was great.

2238
02:10:43,333 --> 02:10:44,583
And I really enjoyed it.

2239
02:10:45,166 --> 02:10:47,625
As you heard her show, I didn't really I

2240
02:10:47,625 --> 02:10:48,666
haven't seen the series yet.

2241
02:10:48,666 --> 02:10:49,833
So I'll probably have to

2242
02:10:49,833 --> 02:10:52,500
watch it now to see what happens.

2243
02:10:52,500 --> 02:10:53,166
So I didn't want to.

2244
02:10:53,375 --> 02:10:54,541
I didn't want to share exactly what

2245
02:10:54,541 --> 02:10:55,458
happened in the show or

2246
02:10:55,458 --> 02:10:56,875
who you want to watch it.

2247
02:10:56,875 --> 02:10:57,666
Yeah. I'll watch it

2248
02:10:57,666 --> 02:10:58,750
now and see what happens.

2249
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:02,125
And but yeah, I know she was terrific.

2250
02:11:02,125 --> 02:11:04,750
I mean, for actually she didn't we didn't

2251
02:11:04,750 --> 02:11:06,166
want to discuss ages because some of us

2252
02:11:06,208 --> 02:11:07,208
are much, much older.

2253
02:11:10,250 --> 02:11:11,666
So we just but we want to do.

2254
02:11:11,750 --> 02:11:13,875
But she's for her early career.

2255
02:11:14,041 --> 02:11:15,666
She's done an amazing amount of stuff.

2256
02:11:16,500 --> 02:11:18,166
And again, one of these people like we

2257
02:11:18,166 --> 02:11:19,000
didn't even dwell on too

2258
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:20,875
much about she up and left

2259
02:11:20,958 --> 02:11:22,166
went left the U.S.

2260
02:11:22,166 --> 02:11:23,666
and went to halfway around the world to

2261
02:11:23,666 --> 02:11:25,458
Australia and started this

2262
02:11:25,458 --> 02:11:27,000
whole new career, this whole

2263
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:28,541
new life on things.

2264
02:11:28,541 --> 02:11:30,375
And so, yeah, so it was

2265
02:11:30,375 --> 02:11:31,250
just it was an amazing.

2266
02:11:31,250 --> 02:11:32,250
It was an amazing interview.

2267
02:11:32,250 --> 02:11:34,291
I just really, really pleased.

2268
02:11:34,291 --> 02:11:36,125
I'm really glad glad you recommended her

2269
02:11:36,125 --> 02:11:37,375
and yeah, we were able

2270
02:11:37,375 --> 02:11:38,416
to get her on the show

2271
02:11:39,166 --> 02:11:40,583
show here to do.

2272
02:11:41,000 --> 02:11:42,250
And I think what I also love, too, just

2273
02:11:42,250 --> 02:11:43,666
in terms of all the

2274
02:11:43,666 --> 02:11:44,500
projects that she's done,

2275
02:11:44,500 --> 02:11:46,958
but I think all in sort of the how she

2276
02:11:46,958 --> 02:11:50,083
defines it as part of her sort of like

2277
02:11:50,083 --> 02:11:52,500
neurodivergent behavior, the ADHD, the

2278
02:11:52,500 --> 02:11:54,416
dyslexia, she's very open with it.

2279
02:11:54,625 --> 02:11:55,833
It almost prevented

2280
02:11:55,833 --> 02:11:57,875
her sort of like the box.

2281
02:11:57,875 --> 02:11:59,083
She kind of put herself in, not

2282
02:11:59,083 --> 02:12:00,083
necessarily put herself in,

2283
02:12:00,083 --> 02:12:01,375
but what she heard that she

2284
02:12:01,416 --> 02:12:03,541
might be better at doing than others and

2285
02:12:03,541 --> 02:12:05,333
that she didn't consider research as part

2286
02:12:05,333 --> 02:12:06,833
of what she would be able to do.

2287
02:12:06,833 --> 02:12:09,041
She didn't think because of what the ADHD

2288
02:12:09,041 --> 02:12:10,000
and the dyslexia, it

2289
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:11,250
might not be a good fit.

2290
02:12:11,583 --> 02:12:13,041
And then it ends up being a good fit.

2291
02:12:13,500 --> 02:12:15,333
You know, I think and she discovers that

2292
02:12:15,333 --> 02:12:16,083
by putting herself

2293
02:12:16,083 --> 02:12:17,291
out of her comfort zone

2294
02:12:17,541 --> 02:12:18,833
and then going through it and now

2295
02:12:18,833 --> 02:12:20,208
allowing other people to

2296
02:12:20,208 --> 02:12:22,541
not fall into those sort of

2297
02:12:22,541 --> 02:12:25,000
myths that that happen and understanding

2298
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:27,375
that research is a creative process.

2299
02:12:27,875 --> 02:12:29,291
It's not just math.

2300
02:12:29,333 --> 02:12:30,375
It's not just reading

2301
02:12:30,375 --> 02:12:31,750
and putting in a formula.

2302
02:12:32,166 --> 02:12:34,000
It can be very, very creative, which you

2303
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:35,416
obviously know and I know.

2304
02:12:36,291 --> 02:12:38,000
But it's interesting how all these

2305
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:39,708
outside pressures and

2306
02:12:39,708 --> 02:12:42,625
sort of these boxing in of

2307
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:45,166
individuals that have a specific

2308
02:12:45,166 --> 02:12:47,541
neurodivergency or

2309
02:12:47,541 --> 02:12:49,791
whatever you want to call it,

2310
02:12:50,250 --> 02:12:51,625
you know, put like that could prevent

2311
02:12:51,625 --> 02:12:53,000
them from doing stuff, even though they

2312
02:12:53,000 --> 02:12:54,208
don't try and discover it for themselves.

2313
02:12:54,458 --> 02:12:56,416
So really respect what she's done.

2314
02:12:56,458 --> 02:12:58,250
It's obviously not an easy thing to do,

2315
02:12:58,250 --> 02:13:00,041
but I love how she is

2316
02:13:00,041 --> 02:13:01,333
openly talking about it.

2317
02:13:01,333 --> 02:13:03,500
Even after we we stopped recording, she

2318
02:13:03,500 --> 02:13:05,291
talked about the fact that people are

2319
02:13:05,291 --> 02:13:07,583
reaching out and, you know, being like,

2320
02:13:07,583 --> 02:13:09,250
hey, really happy you're doing this.

2321
02:13:09,250 --> 02:13:10,250
It makes me want to do

2322
02:13:10,250 --> 02:13:11,500
research and so forth.

2323
02:13:11,500 --> 02:13:13,291
So I think it's really important to

2324
02:13:13,291 --> 02:13:14,708
hammer home here in this.

2325
02:13:14,708 --> 02:13:15,041
Oh, yeah.

2326
02:13:15,708 --> 02:13:16,708
No, I think so.

2327
02:13:16,708 --> 02:13:17,583
I think so as well.

2328
02:13:17,583 --> 02:13:19,291
Like I said, she she she talked about

2329
02:13:19,291 --> 02:13:22,125
her, you know, about her her this, you

2330
02:13:22,125 --> 02:13:23,916
know, I say disability, but the thing she

2331
02:13:23,916 --> 02:13:24,916
had to overcome and everything.

2332
02:13:25,166 --> 02:13:27,541
And I think she's done very well.

2333
02:13:27,541 --> 02:13:28,750
She's just I think part of it.

2334
02:13:28,750 --> 02:13:29,375
She's got the energy.

2335
02:13:29,541 --> 02:13:31,791
She's got the drive to want to do.

2336
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:33,583
And the creativity is huge.

2337
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:35,125
Yeah, it dwelled on that.

2338
02:13:35,125 --> 02:13:36,708
It's huge. You know, even while we're

2339
02:13:36,708 --> 02:13:38,583
talking on the show, we're we're talking

2340
02:13:38,583 --> 02:13:39,333
about different things.

2341
02:13:39,333 --> 02:13:40,875
She's coming up with ideas like, hey, we

2342
02:13:40,875 --> 02:13:42,291
can call it this or call it that.

2343
02:13:42,291 --> 02:13:43,666
You know, you know,

2344
02:13:43,666 --> 02:13:45,791
the the the puns and the.

2345
02:13:45,791 --> 02:13:46,958
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

2346
02:13:46,958 --> 02:13:50,583
The the the the the fins only, you know,

2347
02:13:50,583 --> 02:13:52,458
it's only only only fins.

2348
02:13:52,541 --> 02:13:54,166
Yeah. I thought that was that was it.

2349
02:13:54,208 --> 02:13:55,041
She just came up with

2350
02:13:55,041 --> 02:13:56,000
that right off the top.

2351
02:13:56,375 --> 02:13:57,333
Yeah, it was great.

2352
02:13:57,791 --> 02:14:00,458
So, yeah, no, it was it was terrific

2353
02:14:00,458 --> 02:14:02,416
having her here in her story and

2354
02:14:02,416 --> 02:14:05,041
everything and being so young and having

2355
02:14:05,041 --> 02:14:06,291
done so much already.

2356
02:14:06,708 --> 02:14:07,791
It'll be interesting to see.

2357
02:14:07,791 --> 02:14:08,666
And she's got I think

2358
02:14:08,666 --> 02:14:09,291
I like about it, too.

2359
02:14:09,291 --> 02:14:11,041
She has goals. She wants to do.

2360
02:14:11,041 --> 02:14:12,875
He wants to accomplish certain things.

2361
02:14:13,291 --> 02:14:14,500
Has a time frame on it.

2362
02:14:14,500 --> 02:14:16,500
And I think that's always for me.

2363
02:14:16,500 --> 02:14:17,666
I think personally, that's a good thing

2364
02:14:17,666 --> 02:14:19,250
to have have goals, you

2365
02:14:19,250 --> 02:14:20,375
know, and have some time frames.

2366
02:14:20,375 --> 02:14:21,583
It gives you something to work towards.

2367
02:14:21,958 --> 02:14:22,625
Yeah. And stuff.

2368
02:14:22,791 --> 02:14:24,083
Sometimes you go, Mike, in a different

2369
02:14:24,083 --> 02:14:25,958
direction, but at least you you have some

2370
02:14:25,958 --> 02:14:27,333
goals to follow and everything.

2371
02:14:27,666 --> 02:14:29,666
So, yeah, I think that's pretty good.

2372
02:14:29,666 --> 02:14:31,416
That's pretty good. So, yeah, I hope

2373
02:14:31,416 --> 02:14:33,458
everybody checks out her show.

2374
02:14:33,958 --> 02:14:34,958
I'll have to watch it now.

2375
02:14:35,250 --> 02:14:38,708
And then, as I say, check out the check

2376
02:14:38,708 --> 02:14:40,708
out the episode with her and get on and

2377
02:14:40,708 --> 02:14:43,083
follow the Fins Institute and her other

2378
02:14:44,041 --> 02:14:45,000
startup businesses.

2379
02:14:45,333 --> 02:14:46,833
And yeah, they will.

2380
02:14:47,083 --> 02:14:47,875
We'll look forward to

2381
02:14:47,875 --> 02:14:49,041
having her back here soon.

2382
02:14:49,416 --> 02:14:51,083
Absolutely. Find out more about what's

2383
02:14:51,083 --> 02:14:51,666
happened with the Institute.

2384
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:52,250
And I think we need to work with her.

2385
02:14:52,250 --> 02:14:53,250
Yeah. And I think we'll have a good time with her. Yeah. I think it's really great. We need to do a live session and make it

2386
02:14:53,250 --> 02:14:54,750
for nature and all our other projects

2387
02:14:54,750 --> 02:14:56,500
that she's a part of as well as working.

2388
02:14:56,958 --> 02:14:58,458
We didn't even get to it.

2389
02:14:58,458 --> 02:14:59,500
Working for Sydney

2390
02:14:59,500 --> 02:15:00,500
Institute of Marine science.

2391
02:15:00,500 --> 02:15:00,875
Oh, yeah.

2392
02:15:00,875 --> 02:15:02,041
Is communicator, which is amazing.

2393
02:15:02,041 --> 02:15:04,000
So I think that's really great.

2394
02:15:04,250 --> 02:15:05,666
So, yeah, always love.

2395
02:15:06,041 --> 02:15:08,291
Always love talking to to Alia and will

2396
02:15:08,291 --> 02:15:09,458
definitely have her back on.

2397
02:15:09,458 --> 02:15:10,541
So thanks again, Alia.

2398
02:15:10,916 --> 02:15:13,041
We'll put links to her website and her

2399
02:15:13,041 --> 02:15:13,958
social so you can get to

2400
02:15:13,958 --> 02:15:14,791
know her a little bit better.

2401
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:22,791
and Instagram, but please go to my Lost

2402
02:15:22,791 --> 02:15:24,166
Shark YouTube channel.

2403
02:15:24,500 --> 02:15:25,375
All the series,

2404
02:15:25,375 --> 02:15:26,458
searching for Lost Sharks,

2405
02:15:26,458 --> 02:15:28,291
Extinct or Alive, and then of course

2406
02:15:28,291 --> 02:15:30,583
Beyond Jaws Pod as well.

2407
02:15:30,583 --> 02:15:32,208
Please follow us along there and leave

2408
02:15:32,208 --> 02:15:34,333
comments on both sites.

2409
02:15:34,333 --> 02:15:35,708
We like, Andrew and I like to get

2410
02:15:35,708 --> 02:15:38,208
feedback on the shows and episodes we do

2411
02:15:38,208 --> 02:15:40,833
and that helps us plan

2412
02:15:40,833 --> 02:15:41,916
for the future episodes.

2413
02:15:42,208 --> 02:15:44,416
Yeah, yeah. I love that idea.

2414
02:15:44,416 --> 02:15:45,416
And then if people want to get a hold of

2415
02:15:45,416 --> 02:15:46,916
us, Beyond Jaws Pod on

2416
02:15:46,916 --> 02:15:47,958
Instagram at Beyond Jaws Pod.

2417
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:51,583
And I want to thank you so much, Leah,

2418
02:15:51,583 --> 02:15:52,458
for coming on the podcast.

2419
02:15:52,708 --> 02:15:53,708
Dave, this is always fun

2420
02:15:53,708 --> 02:15:54,750
to do this type of work.

2421
02:15:55,083 --> 02:15:56,666
We even talked to Leah about an hour and

2422
02:15:56,666 --> 02:15:57,875
a half after, almost

2423
02:15:57,875 --> 02:15:58,958
two hours after the show.

2424
02:15:59,208 --> 02:16:01,333
So a lot of projects coming and maybe

2425
02:16:01,333 --> 02:16:02,166
little discussions

2426
02:16:02,166 --> 02:16:03,291
after, which will be great.

2427
02:16:04,041 --> 02:16:05,875
But we want to thank you guys for

2428
02:16:05,875 --> 02:16:07,666
supporting us, continuing to support us,

2429
02:16:07,833 --> 02:16:09,333
continue watching and continuing sharing

2430
02:16:09,333 --> 02:16:11,375
each of your favorite episodes and clips.

2431
02:16:12,208 --> 02:16:13,166
So check us out on

2432
02:16:13,166 --> 02:16:14,958
YouTube at Beyond Jaws Podcast.

2433
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:17,791
We'd love to hear from you and leave

2434
02:16:17,791 --> 02:16:20,041
comments on the on, on, you know, just

2435
02:16:20,041 --> 02:16:22,000
below the video and stuff and always get

2436
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:22,750
a hold of us on Instagram.

2437
02:16:23,041 --> 02:16:24,166
Thank you so much for joining us on

2438
02:16:24,166 --> 02:16:25,333
today's episode of

2439
02:16:25,333 --> 02:16:26,291
the Beyond Jaws Podcast.

2440
02:16:26,291 --> 02:16:27,416
Have a great day. We'll talk to you next

2441
02:16:27,416 --> 02:16:28,583
time and have a conservation.