The Hidden Story Behind 12000 Hours of Shark Footage: Why Dr. Oscar Sosa Just Made History

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On today's episode of

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the Beyond Jobs podcast,

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we are here to celebrate a great honor

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for Dr. Oscar Sosa Nishizaki,

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who got an award recently.

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We're gonna talk about the award

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and what that award is on this episode,

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but we're here to celebrate him

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and find out what he's been up to,

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him and his lab have been up to

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since the last time he was on the episode

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and I believe it was 2022.

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We're gonna talk a lot about BRUVS.

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We're gonna talk a

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lot about what it's like

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to go over 12,000

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hours of data and of video

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and I can't wait to talk about it,

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so let's start the show.

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Hey everybody, welcome back

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to another exciting episode

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of the Beyond Jobs podcast.

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I'm your cohost Andrew

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Lewin here with my other cohost,

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Dr. David Ebert.

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Dave, 12,000 hours of BRUVS video.

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Is that something that

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you would like to look over?

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I mean, that's pretty incredible.

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Somebody else could go,

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somebody else could pare it

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down to like the key moments.

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I'll go through the highlight reel.

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I'll just identify the species out there,

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that'll be good.

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It's gonna be like 11,999

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hours of like just nothing.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Exactly.

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For a couple seconds.

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Well tell you what, this is

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just part of the conversation

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that we had with Oscar.

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Oscar's always so great

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to have on the episode.

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It brings so much

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energy, so much knowledge,

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especially in Mexico and off the Pacific

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and it's always great to

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be able to talk to him.

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Dave, do you wanna talk a

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little bit about the award

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that he won and why it's so important?

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Yeah, I mean, it's probably

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one of the most prestigious

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awards in Mexico for someone in his field

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and in the biological sciences.

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And as Oscar will

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explain in a few minutes,

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the person who was named after the award

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and it's really a

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lifetime achievement award

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and Oscar certainly was deserving.

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He's had an amazing career

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going back 40 plus years now.

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And he's still going strong.

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So we're, so yes, which

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is a great sign to see.

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And which I'm glad to see

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actually since we're the same age,

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I'm glad he's still going strong.

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So I'm not like alone out there left.

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But it was a very prestigious award.

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I saw that he'd received it.

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We have to have this

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guy come on the show,

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talk about his award and so

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we'll let him share his story.

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Absolutely. And here is the interview

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with Oscar talking about his award,

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as well as all the other research that

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he's been up to since he was on last.

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Enjoy the interview and

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we'll talk to you after.

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Hey, Oscar, welcome back

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to the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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Are you ready to talk about sharks?

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I'm ready. Thank you, Andrew, one day for

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for invite me once again.

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I'm really honored to be here once again.

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I I'm really I was very surprised to

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invite me once again.

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Meet our family list.

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We are honored as well.

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We love having you on us.

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It's great to have you back.

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Especially today.

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We want to welcome

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back an awesome guest, Dr.

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Oscar Sosa from Ensenada, Mexico, who is

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now, as we'll explain,

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it is even more

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awesome than he was before.

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Oscar is a fisheries research scientist

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at the Ensenada Center for Scientific

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Research and Higher Education.

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Sosa say in Baja and he has an extensive

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list of accomplishments,

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including advising and mentoring more

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than 60 graduate students.

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He's a prolific publisher

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with more than 100 publications.

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He serves as a vice chair on the IUCN

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shark specialist group.

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Oh, and Oscar and I have known each other

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since the mid 1980s.

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When we both met for the first time in

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Tokyo, Japan, we were

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graduate students back in the day.

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And he was Oscar is

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also what was he mentioned.

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We were on the previous episode back on

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April 2023, episode 45.

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Please go back and catch it.

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She can hear Oscar's entire story and all

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the stories that I wish he'd forgotten

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about when we were in Japan together as

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young scratch students.

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And I will know Oscar.

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I did have more hair at that time.

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So yeah, a lot.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So anyway, but he's back on the program.

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They talk about a

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milestone in his career.

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We thought it was and I was really wanted

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to have him back talk about Oscar as a

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2025 recipient of the Juan

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Luis Sufentes Limas Award.

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It's a prestigious award from the Mexican

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Federation of Biology

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Biological Colleges.

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The committee awards of medal is the

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committee that awards is a composed of

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biologists who are basically peer review

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the candidates for this award.

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The name bear of the

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award, Juan Luis Sufentes Limas.

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Oscar, correct me wrong in a minute was a

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prominent Mexican biologist, widely

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recognized the leading figure, maybe even

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considered a godfather

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of biology in Mexico.

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He is a professor at the National

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Autonomous University of Mexico for many

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years and later joined the

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University of Guadalajara.

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He was a pioneer in Mexican marine

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biology with over 30 years

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of experience in the field.

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He held several important positions,

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including director general of the

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fisheries research and

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development program in Mexico.

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He was also a president of the Mexican

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College of Biologists and teaching and

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instructing thousands of students and

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directed numerous thesis projects.

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His scientific work cover topics such as

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marine resources, fisheries, protozoa,

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invertebrates, biology,

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education and the history of science.

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He's a great popular

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popularizer of science.

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And one of his most famous quotes was

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what is known as valued and what is

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valued is cared for.

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And Oscar, welcome back to the show.

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Thank you. Thank you very much.

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I'm really, I don't know, very honorable

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to to me once again

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to tell you the truth.

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You got me by surprise day when you

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kindly invited me because of

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this award I just received.

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But I really appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Now, can you tell us a little bit like

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who I apologize if I mispronounce the

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name, but who who locked

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one Luis Sufentes Limas was.

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Well, this is a former professor.

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He passed away this year in May of this

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year, unfortunately.

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He's a very well known Mexican biologist

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that he really the most incredible thing

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that he had done is that he was he he did

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a lot of support for bringing the biology

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to several universities that they started

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with the biology

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bachelors in several universities.

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And also he is the one

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that started to do diffusion.

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No, I'm sorry, outreach

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of science, marine science.

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He wrote several books

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and he is a very well known.

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His name is Juan Luis Sufentes Lemus.

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Yes, it's a for me, it's a

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very difficult name to pronounce.

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It's not not a common name.

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So it is it is an honor.

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You know, this is as you say, this kind

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of the godfather of biology in Mexico,

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the general of biology and the specific

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especially for for marine biology.

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He has a lot of influence in many of the

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places where marine

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biology is today are a study.

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This was this something that was

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considered like a lifetime achievement

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award for someone's had a distinguished

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career like yourself.

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Well, there are several awards.

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One is a reaching one is research that is

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the one I bought and

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others are management.

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to be between the pairs.

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Try to do that.

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And that's the value I got from it.

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Actually, I'm very happy to because the

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way it is done is that some of my peers

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from the former university, when I saw

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the bachelors, they decided that they

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want to push me to to get the war.

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to do so in in size of

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this biology association.

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And I'm very glad I'm very happy and I'm

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very grateful for for

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them to to think about me.

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One of the reasons that they start to

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think of me is that recently in May, I

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received and I in Mexico, we have a.

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Our national research system, which is a

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system that holds all is to apply and you

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get a recognition as a

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national research researcher.

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And there are different levels.

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And I, fortunately, I went all through

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all all the labels and I got an emeritus,

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which is from my from my peers, from my

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friends, from this we we

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study in the same years.

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I'm the first one to get that.

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So that's how we they come to the idea

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and they put these two things together

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and send me to to these.

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What's what?

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What was it's not it's always nice

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because it's by your peers basically

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recognize your accomplishments and

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nominated you and and

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promoted you for this award.

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So that's that's always real special to

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be recognized by your by your peers.

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Like, are you so you are you the first

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shark person person that

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doesn't receive the award now?

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I think I think I am.

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I am. I think I am.

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in the in the presentation.

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biologists are in the highlands and they

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work in in terrestrial

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species, plant species.

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But I'm the first thing that is working

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in sharks for for these.

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That's even better because people do

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sharks tend to get overlooked by.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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I know.

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It's like they'll give it to people do

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everything else but sharks.

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So it's really really says a lot about

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your accomplishments to to be able to to

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be able to get get that award.

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So so does that so that does it mean your

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your your students now give you added

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respect now or I don't think so.

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Oh, no, yes.

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Yes.

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But, you know, I'm very I'm very happy

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with all of them and they they were very

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happy and we are going to

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celebrate these, you know,

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increase.

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We every year we have a

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laboratory party at my house.

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This time is going to be some sales.

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01:11:00,958 --> 01:11:03,541
We have like what we call the Posada,

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which is the these parties

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that you have before Christmas.

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And they are 12 Posada.

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So this just start long before Christmas

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to have some parties.

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And that's very

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familiar family time parties.

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You know, and we always have the Posada.

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And this time is we are going to have so

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much things to celebrate.

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Yeah.

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Say so.

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01:11:31,250 --> 01:11:34,041
Well, if I see it at the Neff's meeting

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in March, we'll have to have another one.

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01:11:36,166 --> 01:11:36,458
Yeah.

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They're in Newport, Oregon.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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It only be appropriate.

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You know, yeah.

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And I know there's going to probably be

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01:11:44,583 --> 01:11:45,958
this is going to sound like a redundant

328
01:11:45,958 --> 01:11:48,250
question, but do that mean they get they

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01:11:48,250 --> 01:11:51,000
get increase your pay salary now more?

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01:11:51,416 --> 01:11:54,708
No, I was in the general director's

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01:11:54,708 --> 01:11:56,708
office, but I'm on the top.

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01:11:57,083 --> 01:11:58,958
So I cannot make that's OK.

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01:11:59,375 --> 01:11:59,875
Oh, it's OK.

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01:12:00,083 --> 01:12:00,333
It's OK.

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01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:03,583
I wish I wish.

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01:12:03,875 --> 01:12:07,708
Well, you know, it's yeah, it's assured

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01:12:07,708 --> 01:12:09,708
that I will keep that salary.

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01:12:09,958 --> 01:12:10,333
Yeah.

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Yeah.

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01:12:10,583 --> 01:12:10,666
Yeah.

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They're not going to cut.

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That's for sure.

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01:12:13,916 --> 01:12:14,125
Yeah.

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01:12:14,250 --> 01:12:14,458
Yeah.

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01:12:14,708 --> 01:12:16,125
That's that's that's good.

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01:12:16,125 --> 01:12:16,666
That's good.

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01:12:16,666 --> 01:12:16,958
Good news.

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So what so well, since it's been it's

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01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,291
been whatever it's been what two and a

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half over two and a

351
01:12:21,500 --> 01:12:22,458
half years since we talked.

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01:12:22,458 --> 01:12:23,875
So what what other thing?

353
01:12:23,875 --> 01:12:25,000
What have you been up to

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,541
besides winning prestigious awards?

355
01:12:28,875 --> 01:12:30,458
Well, we we have people

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01:12:30,458 --> 01:12:33,166
going on in the recent years.

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01:12:33,416 --> 01:12:35,666
We have concentrated in three things.

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One is developing a monitoring.

359
01:12:41,083 --> 01:12:43,583
I think I talk in the last time

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developing monitoring with broths for the

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01:12:48,583 --> 01:12:51,208
natural protected area of Los Angeles.

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01:12:51,958 --> 01:12:54,708
That it has been they don't have a

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01:12:54,708 --> 01:12:57,333
systematic monitoring.

364
01:12:58,166 --> 01:13:05,833
And we have a develop the protocol for

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01:13:05,833 --> 01:13:09,083
for them to to do monitoring and we have

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01:13:09,083 --> 01:13:10,708
keep doing monitoring

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01:13:10,708 --> 01:13:12,833
for two years and a half.

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01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:15,333
So we have a lot of

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01:13:15,333 --> 01:13:18,416
videos and things to check.

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01:13:18,791 --> 01:13:21,583
And we and also we use

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01:13:21,583 --> 01:13:26,083
drones, which for maybe for the U.S.

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01:13:26,083 --> 01:13:28,833
is sounds to be a simple, simple

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01:13:28,833 --> 01:13:30,458
techniques to be keeping

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01:13:30,458 --> 01:13:32,333
more people doing money for.

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01:13:32,666 --> 01:13:35,208
But for us, you know, to get the money

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01:13:35,208 --> 01:13:37,708
and it was a little bit

377
01:13:37,708 --> 01:13:41,041
quite hard work to to get them.

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01:13:41,041 --> 01:13:43,875
So with that, I'm very happy.

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01:13:43,916 --> 01:13:48,125
We are we to wrap up the next year at the

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beginning of next year.

381
01:13:49,666 --> 01:13:56,041
But also we have and we have some we have

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01:13:56,041 --> 01:13:58,541
very interesting videos

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for for race in the area.

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01:14:01,708 --> 01:14:03,375
We have different species of race.

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01:14:03,583 --> 01:14:06,000
So we I think we will have some very

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01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,583
interesting information about the

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01:14:07,583 --> 01:14:10,291
diversity on race taken by brops.

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01:14:10,708 --> 01:14:14,208
And in the area of Los Angeles.

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01:14:14,833 --> 01:14:17,250
So I think it became an Israel.

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01:14:17,416 --> 01:14:19,833
This important shark and race area is

391
01:14:19,833 --> 01:14:22,375
that it's happening with the U.C.

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01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,958
And this I U.C.M.

393
01:14:24,958 --> 01:14:28,791
Project by Los Angeles became an eyes.

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01:14:29,916 --> 01:14:31,166
I think you you you

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01:14:31,166 --> 01:14:32,375
pronounce it in English.

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01:14:33,250 --> 01:14:37,958
And and both with this information, we

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01:14:37,958 --> 01:14:40,291
will support more that that.

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01:14:40,958 --> 01:14:44,416
That name, you know, that's that's the

399
01:14:44,416 --> 01:14:48,250
the the information for to keep growing

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01:14:48,250 --> 01:14:52,541
the to make to make a more robust area

401
01:14:52,541 --> 01:14:56,625
based on on on on scientific information.

402
01:14:56,833 --> 01:15:00,083
So we are really happy to be doing not so

403
01:15:00,083 --> 01:15:01,750
much sharks, but a

404
01:15:01,750 --> 01:15:02,791
lot of race differently.

405
01:15:03,208 --> 01:15:05,791
So we are well, razor just flat shark.

406
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,166
So they're they need to love to, you

407
01:15:08,166 --> 01:15:09,708
know, that's something.

408
01:15:10,583 --> 01:15:12,833
Go ahead. When you talk about the brovs,

409
01:15:13,291 --> 01:15:16,375
how many like how long like how long is

410
01:15:16,375 --> 01:15:18,166
the video when you go through that stuff

411
01:15:18,166 --> 01:15:20,250
and and who goes through all of that?

412
01:15:20,583 --> 01:15:22,500
OK, yeah, that's interesting question.

413
01:15:23,208 --> 01:15:25,000
Yeah, you know what the way we are doing

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,500
is in each location because we have 11

415
01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:31,541
locations in each location.

416
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,875
We put five, five.

417
01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:40,291
Yes, five brops each time.

418
01:15:40,875 --> 01:15:44,208
In the locations, we see

419
01:15:44,208 --> 01:15:46,458
that the bros for one hour.

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01:15:47,375 --> 01:15:49,750
So we go and we start

421
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:50,666
very early in the morning.

422
01:15:51,083 --> 01:15:55,625
We go sit there, the bros wait one hour

423
01:15:55,625 --> 01:15:58,000
and start to pick them up.

424
01:15:58,291 --> 01:16:01,958
OK, just to be to to have

425
01:16:01,958 --> 01:16:04,250
one hour of of of feeling.

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01:16:04,791 --> 01:16:06,375
We I think that we have

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01:16:06,375 --> 01:16:10,041
12000 hours of of of video.

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01:16:10,958 --> 01:16:12,041
So it is incredible.

429
01:16:13,166 --> 01:16:16,750
And of course, yes, by this time.

430
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,291
And of course, it takes a lot of times.

431
01:16:20,291 --> 01:16:24,416
We have several younger students just

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01:16:24,416 --> 01:16:25,791
that they are finishing

433
01:16:25,791 --> 01:16:28,166
their bachelor's or they are.

434
01:16:28,166 --> 01:16:31,000
They have to do services as well.

435
01:16:31,041 --> 01:16:33,958
They are studying. They have to do so do

436
01:16:33,958 --> 01:16:36,250
some service professional services.

437
01:16:36,250 --> 01:16:38,916
We call in Mexico that they have to to

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01:16:38,916 --> 01:16:41,625
work in one lab to reinforce some hours.

439
01:16:42,208 --> 01:16:44,083
They have helped us and

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01:16:44,083 --> 01:16:47,625
we are working with them.

441
01:16:47,875 --> 01:16:49,125
And we are not done that.

442
01:16:49,375 --> 01:16:52,500
I mean, that we still we have one year of

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01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:56,250
of after we are done with the project, we

444
01:16:56,250 --> 01:16:57,750
will finish it one year.

445
01:16:58,041 --> 01:16:59,375
It's a lot of of that.

446
01:16:59,416 --> 01:17:02,041
Of course, we are making different

447
01:17:02,041 --> 01:17:06,041
approximations that people do in the

448
01:17:06,041 --> 01:17:08,208
international arena to do

449
01:17:08,208 --> 01:17:10,375
or to analyze these videos.

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01:17:11,250 --> 01:17:14,250
And also, and you will hear the next this

451
01:17:14,250 --> 01:17:15,916
this meeting that is

452
01:17:15,916 --> 01:17:18,041
going to be next March.

453
01:17:19,416 --> 01:17:21,583
One of my students is she's

454
01:17:21,583 --> 01:17:25,250
going to present that an AI

455
01:17:25,708 --> 01:17:36,625
she says is to select

456
01:17:36,625 --> 01:17:41,875
so you can tell the difference basically.

457
01:17:42,166 --> 01:17:43,708
Right. Yeah.

458
01:17:44,833 --> 01:17:45,583
I know that there are

459
01:17:45,583 --> 01:17:47,333
some problems they are yeah.

460
01:17:50,291 --> 01:17:52,875
and they are costly and

461
01:17:52,875 --> 01:17:54,541
you have to train in any way,

462
01:17:54,541 --> 01:17:56,666
you know, and we decided

463
01:17:56,666 --> 01:17:58,541
because we have here in my center

464
01:17:58,541 --> 01:17:59,916
the capacity to develop

465
01:17:59,916 --> 01:18:00,791
these kinds of things.

466
01:18:01,375 --> 01:18:03,333
And we got a good

467
01:18:03,333 --> 01:18:07,166
arrangement with another researcher

468
01:18:07,416 --> 01:18:09,625
that works in computer science

469
01:18:09,833 --> 01:18:11,333
and we are working together,

470
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:13,583
which has been very incredible,

471
01:18:13,791 --> 01:18:17,000
very fascinating job to do.

472
01:18:17,958 --> 01:18:19,666
And for me, it's very interesting.

473
01:18:20,791 --> 01:18:22,208
Yeah. Because it's interesting because I

474
01:18:22,208 --> 01:18:23,791
know like they can do it from pictures.

475
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,333
So I know there's a there's a

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01:18:25,333 --> 01:18:26,083
organization in

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01:18:26,083 --> 01:18:28,458
Australia that works on the

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01:18:28,458 --> 01:18:29,875
well in the Great Barrier Reef and they

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01:18:29,875 --> 01:18:31,625
you can it's like a citizen science

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01:18:31,625 --> 01:18:33,000
project where you can identify.

481
01:18:33,708 --> 01:18:35,375
I think they look at like, you know, what

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01:18:35,375 --> 01:18:36,916
what's consistent of the reef.

483
01:18:36,916 --> 01:18:40,583
Is it a boulder? Is it like a what is it

484
01:18:40,583 --> 01:18:42,583
like a branching coral or is it a flat

485
01:18:42,625 --> 01:18:45,041
coral? Then you can kind of the AI kind

486
01:18:45,041 --> 01:18:46,708
of detects it and you just confirm it.

487
01:18:46,833 --> 01:18:48,791
And then you can go through an app and

488
01:18:48,791 --> 01:18:50,416
just do it over and over and over again.

489
01:18:51,416 --> 01:18:52,875
With video, it must be a little different

490
01:18:52,875 --> 01:18:53,333
because you got to

491
01:18:53,333 --> 01:18:55,041
capture the shape and the size

492
01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:57,625
and then you can identify it, maybe take

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01:18:57,625 --> 01:18:59,208
a picture of it and then ship it.

494
01:18:59,208 --> 01:19:01,000
And then somebody confirms the species

495
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:01,958
and things like that.

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01:19:01,958 --> 01:19:04,708
But I mean, that would help that would

497
01:19:04,708 --> 01:19:06,666
help process the data so much faster

498
01:19:07,125 --> 01:19:09,166
and so much more efficiently for for your

499
01:19:09,166 --> 01:19:10,500
lab, right, to be able to get

500
01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:11,875
to get all that kind of stuff.

501
01:19:11,875 --> 01:19:13,750
Because that's 12000 hours.

502
01:19:14,583 --> 01:19:18,500
Yeah, it's a lot.

503
01:19:18,500 --> 01:19:21,708
How many students do you have now, Oscar?

504
01:19:22,916 --> 01:19:24,541
Well, you know, I've always.

505
01:19:24,541 --> 01:19:25,583
12000, Dave.

506
01:19:28,416 --> 01:19:28,916
Sorry.

507
01:19:30,625 --> 01:19:32,250
No, I don't have that much.

508
01:19:34,916 --> 01:19:37,416
I like I like to keep it easy in the

509
01:19:37,416 --> 01:19:39,000
sense that each student has if you want to have a good

510
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:46,083
resource, I think that the less students

511
01:19:46,083 --> 01:19:49,333
you have and work with them is the

512
01:19:49,333 --> 01:19:53,958
better, you know, or you grow a big team

513
01:19:53,958 --> 01:19:57,166
that you all together.

514
01:19:57,416 --> 01:19:59,791
Everybody helps each other between us.

515
01:20:00,083 --> 01:20:03,083
So that's the type of

516
01:20:03,083 --> 01:20:04,375
laboratory I'm running.

517
01:20:05,208 --> 01:20:06,416
And now I have five students.

518
01:20:06,416 --> 01:20:09,250
The largest number of students in the lab is the one that I have. So for many students, the largest number,

519
01:20:09,875 --> 01:20:14,333
it's seven or 10, maybe, but they don't

520
01:20:14,333 --> 01:20:16,041
allow me to have so much students.

521
01:20:17,250 --> 01:20:21,875
The program doesn't allow me to have more

522
01:20:21,875 --> 01:20:24,416
than than six or seven students.

523
01:20:24,708 --> 01:20:29,583
So if I what I do is in the laboratory is

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01:20:29,583 --> 01:20:33,083
that the postdocs take attention of or

525
01:20:33,083 --> 01:20:35,416
are the are the many

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01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:38,958
advisors for the students and then I

527
01:20:38,958 --> 01:20:40,500
participate in the committees

528
01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:43,291
and discuss and we have a very

529
01:20:43,833 --> 01:20:46,375
friendly and very I think that is an

530
01:20:46,375 --> 01:20:48,791
efficient way of doing

531
01:20:48,791 --> 01:20:50,833
things but all always

532
01:20:51,583 --> 01:20:54,333
high quality and always teaching you know

533
01:20:54,333 --> 01:20:56,541
I want my students to go to

534
01:20:56,541 --> 01:20:58,791
net and be on the same level as

535
01:20:58,791 --> 01:21:00,583
you guys in the other side of the board

536
01:21:00,583 --> 01:21:03,458
so that's the effort I I love

537
01:21:03,458 --> 01:21:05,000
to do. Yeah you've always had

538
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,708
really good all the ones I've always met

539
01:21:06,708 --> 01:21:07,458
have always been very

540
01:21:07,458 --> 01:21:08,750
good the ones the ones you've

541
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:10,583
brought in the past that I've gotten that

542
01:21:10,583 --> 01:21:11,416
I've met a little bit and

543
01:21:11,416 --> 01:21:13,958
stuff so yeah but the other

544
01:21:13,958 --> 01:21:15,500
hard thing is it feels there's just not

545
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:16,458
like a lot of jobs when

546
01:21:16,458 --> 01:21:18,500
people finish that's their degree

547
01:21:18,833 --> 01:21:21,666
that's that's a hard thing yes that's

548
01:21:21,666 --> 01:21:24,000
true especially for for

549
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,041
doctor and students we I

550
01:21:26,083 --> 01:21:29,375
I think it's a a war problem that that we

551
01:21:29,375 --> 01:21:30,625
have so many doctors

552
01:21:32,875 --> 01:21:35,541
doctoral PhDs that they don't have work

553
01:21:35,541 --> 01:21:37,166
and they have to keep on

554
01:21:37,291 --> 01:21:39,791
a postdocs for dogs postdoc and they get

555
01:21:39,791 --> 01:21:45,000
like our heads that's why we're bald

556
01:21:45,041 --> 01:21:51,291
yeah yeah so it's not a fair system but

557
01:21:51,291 --> 01:21:53,458
uh yeah but they want to

558
01:21:53,458 --> 01:21:54,541
do it you know and you have

559
01:21:54,541 --> 01:21:57,541
to support them that's yeah well I always

560
01:21:57,541 --> 01:21:58,875
tell you always tell the

561
01:21:58,875 --> 01:21:59,500
students like this is gonna

562
01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:00,958
be your best time you're gonna enjoy

563
01:22:00,958 --> 01:22:03,333
doing sharks because after graduate

564
01:22:03,333 --> 01:22:04,666
school it's not going to be

565
01:22:05,291 --> 01:22:07,041
a lot of well I don't say it won't be a

566
01:22:07,041 --> 01:22:08,083
lot of fun but there you

567
01:22:08,083 --> 01:22:09,166
won't have the opportunities you

568
01:22:09,208 --> 01:22:12,000
have now to just go in the field and do

569
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,291
your stuff because after

570
01:22:13,291 --> 01:22:15,875
that if you can well if you

571
01:22:15,875 --> 01:22:17,916
can find a job which there's very few out

572
01:22:17,916 --> 01:22:19,166
there you're going to be

573
01:22:19,166 --> 01:22:20,541
stuck probably behind a desk

574
01:22:20,541 --> 01:22:22,166
looking at a computer most of the day

575
01:22:22,166 --> 01:22:25,083
okay because nobody nobody goes out in

576
01:22:25,083 --> 01:22:26,625
the field um like for

577
01:22:26,625 --> 01:22:28,458
you I mean for you do you spend most you

578
01:22:28,458 --> 01:22:29,166
probably on the field a

579
01:22:29,166 --> 01:22:30,250
little bit but don't your students

580
01:22:30,250 --> 01:22:32,375
pretty much do most of the bulk of the

581
01:22:32,375 --> 01:22:34,958
field stuff now yes yes

582
01:22:34,958 --> 01:22:37,666
uh most of them know in my

583
01:22:37,666 --> 01:22:40,166
lab that as we have been running this

584
01:22:40,166 --> 01:22:43,250
program we go we used to go

585
01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:45,416
every month and then we switch

586
01:22:45,416 --> 01:22:47,666
to every two months just for for the

587
01:22:47,666 --> 01:22:51,041
money and uh and now we are

588
01:22:51,041 --> 01:22:54,458
finishing this uh two twice

589
01:22:55,375 --> 01:22:57,916
uh I think that uh every four months

590
01:22:57,916 --> 01:23:00,791
because so we are finishing we we

591
01:23:00,791 --> 01:23:02,375
complete one year and a half

592
01:23:02,416 --> 01:23:07,166
cycle and and uh that's that's uh

593
01:23:07,166 --> 01:23:10,250
everybody has to go to the to to the to

594
01:23:10,250 --> 01:23:12,083
the field especially if

595
01:23:12,083 --> 01:23:14,125
you are going to be seated in the in

596
01:23:14,125 --> 01:23:16,083
front of a screen and look in this you

597
01:23:16,083 --> 01:23:17,625
have to understand how

598
01:23:18,166 --> 01:23:21,875
how value is that uh uh video of how we

599
01:23:21,875 --> 01:23:24,083
was you know this since the

600
01:23:24,083 --> 01:23:25,708
beginning so we take everybody

601
01:23:25,708 --> 01:23:28,708
here yeah do you do students have to get

602
01:23:28,708 --> 01:23:29,666
because the drone stuff I

603
01:23:29,666 --> 01:23:30,875
think is super cool but such a

604
01:23:30,875 --> 01:23:33,375
new thing do your students have to go get

605
01:23:33,375 --> 01:23:34,291
checked out and like get

606
01:23:34,291 --> 01:23:35,833
like a drone drone license

607
01:23:36,708 --> 01:23:38,541
no uh yeah don't tell

608
01:23:38,541 --> 01:23:41,375
anyone okay just between us

609
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:46,500
no this you have to to be traded but it's

610
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:48,375
still in mexico because of

611
01:23:48,375 --> 01:23:49,666
the side of the drone that

612
01:23:49,666 --> 01:23:54,291
we have is uh up to now it hasn't been uh

613
01:23:54,291 --> 01:23:56,500
uh necessary to to have a

614
01:23:56,500 --> 01:23:59,125
license to to I think that

615
01:23:59,458 --> 01:24:02,833
for synthesized up hours that that you

616
01:24:02,833 --> 01:24:06,708
need a license and then the navy and uh

617
01:24:07,291 --> 01:24:10,500
the permit and I feel like that but no no

618
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:12,333
the drone the size of the

619
01:24:12,333 --> 01:24:13,291
drone that we are working

620
01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:16,750
we are in the limit we are really in the

621
01:24:16,750 --> 01:24:19,291
limit yeah the most all

622
01:24:19,291 --> 01:24:20,208
your students learn how to use

623
01:24:20,250 --> 01:24:24,208
the drone no just uh there are very few

624
01:24:24,208 --> 01:24:28,500
and uh but they they do

625
01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:30,125
that I mean there are a couple

626
01:24:30,708 --> 01:24:33,958
uh yeah some of them get nervous to to

627
01:24:33,958 --> 01:24:37,791
use it so so sometimes

628
01:24:37,791 --> 01:24:40,500
you know they they better

629
01:24:40,708 --> 01:24:43,416
they like better to to be to be looking

630
01:24:43,416 --> 01:24:44,958
videos and working on the

631
01:24:44,958 --> 01:24:46,791
field taking out the drops

632
01:24:46,958 --> 01:24:49,666
and things like that yes okay okay yeah

633
01:24:49,666 --> 01:24:51,333
well that must be I just

634
01:24:51,333 --> 01:24:52,083
thought about that it must

635
01:24:52,083 --> 01:24:54,166
be kind of nice to be able to complement

636
01:24:54,166 --> 01:24:55,958
the uh the the drone

637
01:24:55,958 --> 01:24:57,375
stuff with your bruv stuff

638
01:24:57,875 --> 01:25:01,208
this this that was the main idea in some

639
01:25:01,208 --> 01:25:02,708
of the places we we are

640
01:25:02,708 --> 01:25:03,833
we are going to do that

641
01:25:04,083 --> 01:25:07,125
we have the boat boat information the

642
01:25:07,125 --> 01:25:09,166
brovs inside and the the drone flying

643
01:25:10,166 --> 01:25:14,291
and that's an one of a secret place date

644
01:25:14,291 --> 01:25:18,541
that I found for for for race in one part

645
01:25:18,541 --> 01:25:20,041
of that that that's one thing

646
01:25:20,041 --> 01:25:23,333
that I will try to keep going even the

647
01:25:23,333 --> 01:25:24,750
ride retired which is

648
01:25:24,750 --> 01:25:26,500
going to be soon as I

649
01:25:26,875 --> 01:25:29,416
I said going to be maybe two years that I

650
01:25:29,416 --> 01:25:32,458
will retire and um and

651
01:25:32,458 --> 01:25:34,625
that's very interesting area

652
01:25:35,125 --> 01:25:38,916
and I'm sure that's that the ecological

653
01:25:38,916 --> 01:25:40,250
significance of this

654
01:25:40,250 --> 01:25:42,125
area is it's quite big

655
01:25:42,416 --> 01:25:44,541
in the Gulf of California so I will

656
01:25:44,541 --> 01:25:46,625
rework you know you said you

657
01:25:46,625 --> 01:25:47,875
and the bruv stuff you've seen

658
01:25:47,875 --> 01:25:50,250
some rays on the bruv that you had not

659
01:25:50,250 --> 01:25:51,083
didn't know occurred

660
01:25:51,083 --> 01:25:54,791
there no I I think that we are

661
01:25:54,833 --> 01:25:59,791
doing if there is uh some new things or

662
01:25:59,791 --> 01:26:01,166
maybe you know what

663
01:26:01,166 --> 01:26:03,208
what with some experts to

664
01:26:03,666 --> 01:26:07,291
help us to to to to identify them and be

665
01:26:07,291 --> 01:26:10,125
sure that every any anytime

666
01:26:10,125 --> 01:26:11,791
soon we will start talking

667
01:26:11,833 --> 01:26:14,583
your door and say hey Dave what is this

668
01:26:14,583 --> 01:26:17,000
you know are we doing the

669
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:18,625
right things because I know that

670
01:26:18,666 --> 01:26:21,833
you are very well on the list so yes yeah

671
01:26:21,833 --> 01:26:23,000
yeah just don't send me any

672
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,416
euro betas any round sting

673
01:26:24,416 --> 01:26:26,750
race because those are like oh no no yeah

674
01:26:26,750 --> 01:26:28,458
I'm stupid though not

675
01:26:28,458 --> 01:26:31,583
that much either those are

676
01:26:31,583 --> 01:26:33,791
like you got those are like a pain in the

677
01:26:33,791 --> 01:26:35,291
ass to like to be able to ID

678
01:26:35,291 --> 01:26:37,083
those things man unless you

679
01:26:37,083 --> 01:26:38,666
just want to call them all euro euro

680
01:26:38,666 --> 01:26:41,250
betas halerite that's thing just done you

681
01:26:41,250 --> 01:26:42,291
know don't worry about it yeah

682
01:26:42,666 --> 01:26:46,333
yeah they're just so they're so hard to

683
01:26:46,333 --> 01:26:47,791
do they're so hard to figure

684
01:26:47,791 --> 01:26:49,083
out with all of those things

685
01:26:49,083 --> 01:26:51,750
there so you so you're talking so you're

686
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:53,041
very happy to hear

687
01:26:53,041 --> 01:26:54,333
you're still planning to work

688
01:26:54,333 --> 01:26:55,958
another couple of years because then like

689
01:26:55,958 --> 01:26:57,541
you know at least you and I can keep

690
01:26:57,541 --> 01:26:58,333
going along together

691
01:26:58,416 --> 01:27:00,416
everybody else everybody else is like

692
01:27:00,416 --> 01:27:02,291
bailing out on us so it's like it's been

693
01:27:02,291 --> 01:27:03,291
out here like the last

694
01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:04,708
so I'm glad you got at least a couple

695
01:27:04,708 --> 01:27:06,708
more years and so what what

696
01:27:06,708 --> 01:27:08,000
kind of goals or objectives do

697
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,000
you have for the next um do you have any

698
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,833
that that's the second news

699
01:27:13,833 --> 01:27:15,625
I want to share with you guys

700
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:19,625
is that uh through the years when we have

701
01:27:19,625 --> 01:27:21,291
working we have uh uh

702
01:27:21,291 --> 01:27:23,458
accumulate uh several uh

703
01:27:23,916 --> 01:27:28,750
specimens uh joes uh shark heads we have

704
01:27:28,750 --> 01:27:29,875
a beautiful uh

705
01:27:29,875 --> 01:27:32,375
hammerheads a dry hammerhead

706
01:27:32,416 --> 01:27:36,416
uh head with the joe's and the I I cannot

707
01:27:36,416 --> 01:27:37,958
remember this part of the

708
01:27:37,958 --> 01:27:39,750
the the sharks how they go

709
01:27:40,291 --> 01:27:42,708
the head the face the the hammer mantle

710
01:27:42,708 --> 01:27:45,291
the hammer yeah okay

711
01:27:45,291 --> 01:27:49,166
well the hammer okay hammer

712
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:53,208
okay now we have a uh a head of a

713
01:27:53,208 --> 01:27:54,875
juvenile white shark that

714
01:27:54,875 --> 01:27:58,458
we we uh got from the other

715
01:27:58,500 --> 01:28:02,083
gulf of california and several things so

716
01:28:02,083 --> 01:28:03,541
uh this all this

717
01:28:03,541 --> 01:28:05,458
material after i'm going and

718
01:28:05,583 --> 01:28:10,166
because i don't see clearly that if uh if

719
01:28:10,166 --> 01:28:12,000
it's my laboratory is going

720
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:13,625
to continue to be working on

721
01:28:13,625 --> 01:28:17,958
sharks what we decided is to to open uh

722
01:28:17,958 --> 01:28:21,041
um in the local natural

723
01:28:21,041 --> 01:28:24,375
museum which is a very uh a

724
01:28:25,208 --> 01:28:27,666
small museum but very important for kids

725
01:28:27,666 --> 01:28:30,083
and families we are going

726
01:28:30,083 --> 01:28:32,041
to open uh how do you call it

727
01:28:32,333 --> 01:28:35,083
like a natural history oh room nice oh i

728
01:28:35,083 --> 01:28:37,375
mean a a special a special

729
01:28:37,375 --> 01:28:40,250
site for sharks so we are

730
01:28:40,250 --> 01:28:42,791
preparing this and this is going to be

731
01:28:42,791 --> 01:28:44,916
this uh all the material

732
01:28:44,916 --> 01:28:46,500
is going to be sit there

733
01:28:47,375 --> 01:28:49,708
they will start for one year of

734
01:28:49,708 --> 01:28:52,625
exhibition and this exhibition i don't

735
01:28:52,625 --> 01:28:53,750
know if they keep it

736
01:28:54,875 --> 01:28:57,625
afterwards but they will get all this

737
01:28:57,625 --> 01:28:58,916
material that we have

738
01:28:58,916 --> 01:29:00,250
accumulated from the laboratory

739
01:29:00,250 --> 01:29:04,250
to be part of of their own material a

740
01:29:04,250 --> 01:29:06,000
part of their exhibition and

741
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,541
they have an uh an exhibition of

742
01:29:08,708 --> 01:29:12,916
of uh marine marine organisms marine

743
01:29:12,916 --> 01:29:14,541
ecology exhibition so

744
01:29:14,541 --> 01:29:16,125
we'll be part of it at the end

745
01:29:16,125 --> 01:29:20,041
but we will uh open in next march after i

746
01:29:20,041 --> 01:29:21,583
come from nev's the next

747
01:29:21,583 --> 01:29:23,375
following week is the opening

748
01:29:23,541 --> 01:29:26,541
of these exhibition on sharks for the

749
01:29:26,541 --> 01:29:29,291
general public so i'm very happy so

750
01:29:29,291 --> 01:29:30,500
that's one thing that

751
01:29:30,500 --> 01:29:34,125
we are missing yeah that's really good

752
01:29:34,125 --> 01:29:37,250
yes so it will be for for

753
01:29:37,250 --> 01:29:38,958
for everybody in the city for

754
01:29:39,125 --> 01:29:41,041
oh that's that's neat that's that's it

755
01:29:41,041 --> 01:29:41,875
it'll just it'll be right

756
01:29:41,875 --> 01:29:42,875
it'll be there in ancenata

757
01:29:43,375 --> 01:29:46,333
yes it is going to be in our museum the

758
01:29:46,333 --> 01:29:48,000
local museum it's an

759
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,208
outreach this team actually

760
01:29:49,625 --> 01:29:52,750
now they have a very neat uh exhibition

761
01:29:52,750 --> 01:29:55,208
on dinosaurs and then

762
01:29:55,208 --> 01:29:56,708
they will put they want us

763
01:29:56,708 --> 01:30:00,000
to put the i mean we we know their door

764
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,958
and say you know we have all

765
01:30:01,958 --> 01:30:03,541
these bunch of materials and

766
01:30:03,541 --> 01:30:06,916
we would like to to give to you guys uh

767
01:30:06,916 --> 01:30:09,791
because if i we we retire

768
01:30:09,791 --> 01:30:11,500
is where i'm going to put is

769
01:30:11,666 --> 01:30:14,583
is my technician and me Carmen Rodriguez

770
01:30:14,583 --> 01:30:17,166
is uh my my friend and

771
01:30:17,166 --> 01:30:19,166
we work together and and

772
01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:23,583
she came with that idea and we we did it

773
01:30:23,583 --> 01:30:24,500
you know we are on the

774
01:30:24,500 --> 01:30:27,000
way to to to to to be to

775
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,708
become a reality in our march and yeah

776
01:30:29,708 --> 01:30:32,208
well that's great that's

777
01:30:32,208 --> 01:30:33,291
really good that's really

778
01:30:33,291 --> 01:30:36,958
good to see so well it's well Oscar it's

779
01:30:36,958 --> 01:30:37,875
been great to have you

780
01:30:37,875 --> 01:30:39,166
back on here to get catch up

781
01:30:39,166 --> 01:30:41,541
with you and everything and um here and

782
01:30:41,541 --> 01:30:42,791
congratulations on your

783
01:30:42,791 --> 01:30:44,958
award um that's really pretty

784
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,708
special and uh it's nice you know trying

785
01:30:48,708 --> 01:30:49,500
to think about you get

786
01:30:49,500 --> 01:30:50,083
when you get one of these

787
01:30:50,333 --> 01:30:52,041
words for your lifetime career it's like

788
01:30:52,041 --> 01:30:52,916
well you hope you got some

789
01:30:52,916 --> 01:30:54,416
more lifetime to enjoy it with

790
01:30:54,416 --> 01:30:58,125
and stuff of your career yeah thank you i

791
01:30:58,125 --> 01:30:59,541
was really glad to see

792
01:30:59,541 --> 01:31:00,875
you and uh we'll definitely

793
01:31:00,958 --> 01:31:03,541
have have you come back on at least well

794
01:31:03,541 --> 01:31:04,750
within the two years so

795
01:31:04,750 --> 01:31:07,125
when you retire we'll have a

796
01:31:07,125 --> 01:31:10,333
special retirement episode for you and

797
01:31:10,333 --> 01:31:11,375
maybe we'll have we'll

798
01:31:11,375 --> 01:31:12,625
have some tequila together may

799
01:31:12,625 --> 01:31:14,333
i'll have to and you know come down there

800
01:31:14,333 --> 01:31:16,083
and have a put do a live

801
01:31:16,083 --> 01:31:17,791
show do a live show with you

802
01:31:17,791 --> 01:31:20,458
yeah that will be great that will be

803
01:31:20,458 --> 01:31:22,250
great that will be great and

804
01:31:22,250 --> 01:31:24,500
you can have some videos to to

805
01:31:24,500 --> 01:31:28,000
verify this piece is that there you go

806
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:29,625
put your work dave there

807
01:31:29,625 --> 01:31:30,708
you go of course there would

808
01:31:30,708 --> 01:31:33,250
know as long as you guys got some good

809
01:31:33,250 --> 01:31:34,500
tequila there we're good

810
01:31:34,500 --> 01:31:37,333
man i'm sure that yeah yeah

811
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:39,458
we'll get andrew we'll get andrew

812
01:31:39,458 --> 01:31:40,791
involved him and id and

813
01:31:40,791 --> 01:31:42,000
after a few shots of tequila

814
01:31:42,083 --> 01:31:44,083
there you go no problem because there's

815
01:31:44,083 --> 01:31:48,625
well as i'm sure it's just a hammer it's

816
01:31:48,625 --> 01:31:50,833
good good well oscar i hope i hope we'll

817
01:31:50,833 --> 01:31:52,083
see you catch you in march

818
01:31:52,083 --> 01:31:54,416
uh at the northeast pacific

819
01:31:54,416 --> 01:31:56,833
shark symposium the neps meeting and uh

820
01:31:56,833 --> 01:31:58,375
otherwise hopefully maybe in

821
01:31:58,375 --> 01:32:00,125
uh also maybe in may at the

822
01:32:00,875 --> 01:32:04,000
sharks international and um in shrill

823
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,958
lanka so uh but anyway

824
01:32:05,958 --> 01:32:07,458
thanks so much for coming on and

825
01:32:07,458 --> 01:32:09,500
again congratulations and everything no

826
01:32:09,500 --> 01:32:12,583
thank you okay thank you very very very

827
01:32:12,583 --> 01:32:14,125
thank you because of

828
01:32:14,125 --> 01:32:16,875
the the way do you invited me and i'm

829
01:32:16,875 --> 01:32:19,750
very honored to be with you always and

830
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:21,291
let's keep let's wait

831
01:32:21,291 --> 01:32:23,500
for two years and have them tequila

832
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:27,083
absolutely love it congratulations again

833
01:32:27,083 --> 01:32:28,250
on your on your award

834
01:32:28,875 --> 01:32:30,291
definitely thank you very much thank you

835
01:32:30,291 --> 01:32:31,708
very okay thanks a lot

836
01:32:31,708 --> 01:32:33,250
thank you oscar for joining us

837
01:32:33,250 --> 01:32:35,375
on today's episode of the beyond jaws

838
01:32:35,375 --> 01:32:36,833
podcast congratulations on

839
01:32:36,833 --> 01:32:38,583
your award we love having you

840
01:32:38,583 --> 01:32:40,125
on we love hearing what you're up to

841
01:32:40,125 --> 01:32:41,916
obviously 12 000 hours of

842
01:32:41,916 --> 01:32:44,416
bruv video is a lot to go through

843
01:32:44,500 --> 01:32:45,708
it was kind of interesting how he's

844
01:32:45,708 --> 01:32:47,000
talking about you know he has a student

845
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:47,875
who's trying to develop

846
01:32:47,916 --> 01:32:51,208
ai like an ai platform or i guess an ai

847
01:32:51,208 --> 01:32:52,500
tool to go through all

848
01:32:52,500 --> 01:32:53,833
that video and identify that

849
01:32:53,958 --> 01:32:56,958
i feel like that's where uh you know the

850
01:32:56,958 --> 01:32:59,708
research is going to be productive within

851
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,375
ocean research is to take away a lot of

852
01:33:02,375 --> 01:33:04,166
that time that you have to

853
01:33:04,166 --> 01:33:05,000
go through videos because

854
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:06,625
you know normally you'd have to go

855
01:33:06,625 --> 01:33:07,875
through each and every video

856
01:33:07,875 --> 01:33:09,916
divide it up among students and

857
01:33:10,083 --> 01:33:12,083
everybody take a few hours and have to go

858
01:33:12,083 --> 01:33:13,000
through and watch every

859
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:14,541
piece and try and identify

860
01:33:14,541 --> 01:33:15,750
obviously you're going to go through fast

861
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:16,708
forward a little bit but

862
01:33:16,708 --> 01:33:19,083
it's still a lot to to take in

863
01:33:19,375 --> 01:33:21,541
um very interesting in that respect but

864
01:33:21,541 --> 01:33:22,541
uh dave you know what do you

865
01:33:22,541 --> 01:33:23,500
want to talk a little bit about

866
01:33:24,250 --> 01:33:26,208
you know oscar and and why he deserves

867
01:33:26,208 --> 01:33:27,458
this award and and you

868
01:33:27,458 --> 01:33:29,708
know your history are with him

869
01:33:30,166 --> 01:33:31,958
yeah well as we talked touched on again

870
01:33:31,958 --> 01:33:33,291
and and please go back and

871
01:33:33,291 --> 01:33:34,375
see the original episode it

872
01:33:34,375 --> 01:33:38,208
was in april of 2023 and he um cherished

873
01:33:38,208 --> 01:33:38,916
about his whole journey

874
01:33:38,916 --> 01:33:39,958
but him and i actually met

875
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,958
as graduate students in tokyo japan and

876
01:33:43,958 --> 01:33:45,958
uh which is pretty funny it

877
01:33:45,958 --> 01:33:47,791
was amazing amazing opportunity

878
01:33:47,791 --> 01:33:50,458
there to meet and it's kind of cool going

879
01:33:50,458 --> 01:33:51,541
through a journey together

880
01:33:51,541 --> 01:33:52,833
like you had and that's a neat

881
01:33:52,916 --> 01:33:54,750
thing particularly younger people are

882
01:33:54,750 --> 01:33:56,666
starting out you make these uh

883
01:33:56,666 --> 01:33:57,958
connections early in your

884
01:33:57,958 --> 01:34:00,041
career and it's funny to see 40 years

885
01:34:00,041 --> 01:34:01,583
later here we are and the

886
01:34:01,583 --> 01:34:03,125
latter parts of our career and

887
01:34:03,583 --> 01:34:05,000
the great thing about oscar's he's kind

888
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:05,916
of like me doesn't have

889
01:34:05,916 --> 01:34:08,000
doesn't have any interest in like

890
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:09,458
retiring right now he's going to go at

891
01:34:09,458 --> 01:34:10,333
least another couple of

892
01:34:10,333 --> 01:34:12,500
years and uh which is great

893
01:34:12,500 --> 01:34:16,041
to hear you know and um but yeah he's

894
01:34:16,041 --> 01:34:16,958
just he's just he's had a

895
01:34:16,958 --> 01:34:18,625
fabulous career and it's really

896
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,791
i'm really happy to see him you know get

897
01:34:21,791 --> 01:34:23,500
re rewarded by that and

898
01:34:23,500 --> 01:34:25,000
rent and the big thing is

899
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:26,958
his peers recognize them for it so it was

900
01:34:26,958 --> 01:34:28,000
really yeah that makes it

901
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,875
all the more special uh you

902
01:34:29,875 --> 01:34:31,458
know when your peers recognize you for

903
01:34:31,458 --> 01:34:33,000
receiving an award like that

904
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,291
and um and i didn't really know

905
01:34:35,291 --> 01:34:37,666
about the uh the uh the person who was

906
01:34:37,666 --> 01:34:39,833
named after but i was glad to hear a

907
01:34:39,833 --> 01:34:40,666
little bit hear a little

908
01:34:40,666 --> 01:34:42,416
bit about him hear a little bit about the

909
01:34:42,416 --> 01:34:44,833
individual who was quite a quite

910
01:34:44,833 --> 01:34:45,833
accomplished in mexico

911
01:34:46,333 --> 01:34:47,916
which makes the award all that more

912
01:34:47,916 --> 01:34:50,125
significant i think that he

913
01:34:50,125 --> 01:34:51,833
was able to receive that so uh

914
01:34:52,416 --> 01:34:53,750
so yeah i was like this great having him

915
01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:54,958
on and hopefully won't have

916
01:34:54,958 --> 01:34:56,958
to wait too long and he said

917
01:34:56,958 --> 01:34:58,250
he wants to work another couple years

918
01:34:58,250 --> 01:34:59,125
we'll definitely have him

919
01:34:59,125 --> 01:35:00,125
on when he retire it does

920
01:35:00,125 --> 01:35:02,833
retire but um we will have him on again

921
01:35:02,833 --> 01:35:03,583
before that if he has

922
01:35:03,583 --> 01:35:05,666
some other get some other uh

923
01:35:06,250 --> 01:35:09,333
great award like this indeed indeed yeah

924
01:35:09,333 --> 01:35:10,708
i think it's uh you know

925
01:35:10,708 --> 01:35:11,791
it's it's something that's

926
01:35:11,791 --> 01:35:12,875
really interesting when people win these

927
01:35:12,875 --> 01:35:14,000
awards a lot of times you

928
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:14,625
know we don't celebrate it

929
01:35:14,666 --> 01:35:16,125
enough we're able to do that on this

930
01:35:16,125 --> 01:35:17,666
podcast giving him the

931
01:35:17,666 --> 01:35:18,958
recognition that he deserves

932
01:35:19,291 --> 01:35:20,916
um because you know when you when you do

933
01:35:20,916 --> 01:35:22,375
a lot of the work that he does and

934
01:35:22,375 --> 01:35:23,125
there's an opportunity

935
01:35:23,208 --> 01:35:24,708
to get nominated for that award and your

936
01:35:24,708 --> 01:35:26,541
peers recognize you as he

937
01:35:26,541 --> 01:35:27,750
says he's really honored and

938
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:29,750
and you know as he should be but also he

939
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:31,291
deserves it and it was really nice for

940
01:35:31,291 --> 01:35:32,875
his uh his colleagues

941
01:35:32,875 --> 01:35:34,708
to be to be able to recognize that and

942
01:35:34,708 --> 01:35:35,958
nominate him for that award

943
01:35:35,958 --> 01:35:38,125
um and he's able to have that

944
01:35:38,125 --> 01:35:40,125
as a distinction so i think that's uh

945
01:35:40,125 --> 01:35:41,500
that's really that's really

946
01:35:41,500 --> 01:35:43,000
fun and i think for people

947
01:35:43,458 --> 01:35:45,083
don't don't see this part of the show

948
01:35:45,083 --> 01:35:47,375
oftentimes we as as andrew and i tend to

949
01:35:47,375 --> 01:35:48,000
do with a lot of our

950
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:49,625
guests we spent like an hour after the

951
01:35:49,625 --> 01:35:51,000
show talking sports

952
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,333
catching up on football talk about

953
01:35:53,333 --> 01:35:55,541
the world series talk about the world the

954
01:35:55,541 --> 01:35:57,125
pittsburgh steelers oakland

955
01:35:57,125 --> 01:35:59,208
raider it was just um which we

956
01:35:59,208 --> 01:36:00,666
are ready to talk about the world series

957
01:36:00,666 --> 01:36:03,000
too much yeah oh yeah but well

958
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:04,458
for me for him and i was kind

959
01:36:04,458 --> 01:36:06,083
of great reminiscing about the pittsburgh

960
01:36:06,083 --> 01:36:07,666
steelers and the oakland raider yes and

961
01:36:07,666 --> 01:36:08,125
if you're old enough

962
01:36:08,166 --> 01:36:11,125
to remember the 1970s john madden was a

963
01:36:11,125 --> 01:36:12,666
coach back then so he knew

964
01:36:12,666 --> 01:36:14,166
if you most of you probably

965
01:36:14,166 --> 01:36:16,375
remember more as a as an annette as an

966
01:36:16,375 --> 01:36:17,791
announcer but let me tell you

967
01:36:17,791 --> 01:36:18,958
he was a hell of a character

968
01:36:18,958 --> 01:36:21,166
and a great coach you know what's funny

969
01:36:21,166 --> 01:36:22,708
too it's like i don't think a lot of

970
01:36:22,708 --> 01:36:24,333
people will know him

971
01:36:24,333 --> 01:36:26,125
even as an announcer these days i think

972
01:36:26,125 --> 01:36:26,958
they'll know him for his

973
01:36:26,958 --> 01:36:28,333
video game like the madden

974
01:36:28,416 --> 01:36:30,000
football video game which is quite

975
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:31,458
popular which is interesting like the

976
01:36:31,458 --> 01:36:32,291
different generations

977
01:36:32,500 --> 01:36:33,666
right that come in and what they

978
01:36:33,666 --> 01:36:35,250
recognize him for i mean hall of fame

979
01:36:35,250 --> 01:36:36,458
renouncer hall of fame

980
01:36:37,125 --> 01:36:39,916
and he played the nfl too didn't he uh i

981
01:36:39,916 --> 01:36:41,791
don't know if you can play the nfl but he

982
01:36:41,791 --> 01:36:42,666
played he played college

983
01:36:42,666 --> 01:36:45,000
football offensive lineman yeah he went

984
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:46,833
to cal poly san luis abyspo actually

985
01:36:47,208 --> 01:36:49,333
oh there you go he played played out

986
01:36:49,333 --> 01:36:50,291
there and stuff but someday

987
01:36:50,291 --> 01:36:51,500
we have to do an outtake and

988
01:36:51,500 --> 01:36:54,250
just like record the after show after

989
01:36:54,250 --> 01:36:56,500
show show on the sports talk

990
01:36:56,500 --> 01:36:57,750
we have some time we should

991
01:36:58,166 --> 01:36:59,541
believe and and i have talked about this

992
01:36:59,541 --> 01:37:02,333
like doing a sports podcast uh just

993
01:37:02,333 --> 01:37:03,166
kidding have it have

994
01:37:03,416 --> 01:37:05,125
it will have on shark people that play

995
01:37:05,125 --> 01:37:07,291
sports and which is which is quite

996
01:37:07,291 --> 01:37:08,333
extensive people may

997
01:37:08,333 --> 01:37:10,458
not realize yeah we just and we just

998
01:37:10,458 --> 01:37:11,583
spent our time just spent

999
01:37:11,583 --> 01:37:13,791
like we ripped off an hour here

1000
01:37:13,791 --> 01:37:15,541
with oscar just talking about football

1001
01:37:15,541 --> 01:37:16,750
baseball talked about

1002
01:37:16,750 --> 01:37:18,333
hockey i learned if oscar and i

1003
01:37:18,333 --> 01:37:19,458
learned a few hockey things that we

1004
01:37:19,458 --> 01:37:22,666
didn't know from andrew and uh so you

1005
01:37:22,666 --> 01:37:23,458
know we could do this

1006
01:37:23,458 --> 01:37:25,583
as maybe uh next year we'll do this part

1007
01:37:25,583 --> 01:37:26,916
of our patreon or something

1008
01:37:26,916 --> 01:37:28,875
and so yeah i want to support

1009
01:37:28,875 --> 01:37:30,958
the show they can get extra content of

1010
01:37:30,958 --> 01:37:31,750
the stuff that we'll just

1011
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:33,875
record after we uh after we talk

1012
01:37:34,208 --> 01:37:35,583
after we do the actual interview so

1013
01:37:35,583 --> 01:37:37,625
perfect yeah well that's something to

1014
01:37:37,625 --> 01:37:39,000
look out for in 2026 so

1015
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:40,708
stay tuned if you really love what we

1016
01:37:40,708 --> 01:37:42,833
talk about we talk about sports we talk

1017
01:37:42,833 --> 01:37:43,833
about science we talk

1018
01:37:43,833 --> 01:37:45,708
about conferences we talk about

1019
01:37:45,708 --> 01:37:46,500
everything it's a lot of

1020
01:37:46,500 --> 01:37:47,500
fun so you can check tequila

1021
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:50,666
26 and tequila sometimes absolutely um

1022
01:37:50,666 --> 01:37:52,375
but anyway uh dave this has been

1023
01:37:52,375 --> 01:37:54,291
wonderful obviously oscar

1024
01:37:54,416 --> 01:37:56,541
thank you so much congratulations on your

1025
01:37:56,541 --> 01:37:57,958
award uh this is something

1026
01:37:57,958 --> 01:37:59,291
that's very uh we're very

1027
01:37:59,291 --> 01:38:01,250
proud of you and and honor that you come

1028
01:38:01,250 --> 01:38:02,250
on the podcast to talk

1029
01:38:02,250 --> 01:38:03,916
about it um and dave if people

1030
01:38:03,916 --> 01:38:05,208
want to get a hold of you how would they

1031
01:38:05,208 --> 01:38:06,583
do so uh it's a lost

1032
01:38:06,583 --> 01:38:09,833
shark guy on instagram and uh

1033
01:38:10,041 --> 01:38:11,666
lost shark guy on youtube and please go

1034
01:38:11,666 --> 01:38:12,500
to the youtube channel

1035
01:38:12,500 --> 01:38:13,500
we're doing andrew and

1036
01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:15,208
our producer series searching for lost

1037
01:38:15,208 --> 01:38:16,375
sharks extinct or live

1038
01:38:16,375 --> 01:38:17,833
funded by the save our seas

1039
01:38:17,833 --> 01:38:20,541
foundation and uh please go there and

1040
01:38:20,541 --> 01:38:21,833
check it out and please subscribe it

1041
01:38:21,833 --> 01:38:23,083
really helps uh helps

1042
01:38:23,125 --> 01:38:25,791
with uh help support the cause absolutely

1043
01:38:25,791 --> 01:38:27,541
wonderful and if you

1044
01:38:27,541 --> 01:38:28,791
guys want to yeah if you

1045
01:38:28,791 --> 01:38:30,541
want to check us out beyond jaws pod on

1046
01:38:30,541 --> 01:38:34,625
on instagram as well as on um on youtube

1047
01:38:34,625 --> 01:38:35,875
check us out you can

1048
01:38:35,875 --> 01:38:37,416
watch us do the interviews you can watch

1049
01:38:37,416 --> 01:38:39,375
uh oscar talk about his award

1050
01:38:39,375 --> 01:38:40,583
and i want to thank you guys

1051
01:38:40,583 --> 01:38:42,333
thank you dave and thank you oscar and

1052
01:38:42,333 --> 01:38:44,166
thank you the audience for you know

1053
01:38:44,166 --> 01:38:44,916
listening to each and

1054
01:38:44,916 --> 01:38:46,250
every one of our episodes we really

1055
01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:47,916
appreciate it thank you so much for

1056
01:38:47,916 --> 01:38:49,000
joining us on the beyond

1057
01:38:49,041 --> 01:38:50,833
jaws podcast from dave and i have a great

1058
01:38:50,833 --> 01:38:51,541
day we'll talk to you next

1059
01:38:51,541 --> 01:38:52,791
time and happy conservation