She Left Europe to Build a Shark Conservation NGO in Angola, Here’s What It Really Takes

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On this episode

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of the Beyond

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Jaws podcast,

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we are talking to

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Anna Lucia

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Furtado-Sores,

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who's here to

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update us

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on her life,

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you know, with

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the Angola

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Project,

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which she came up

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with during her

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graduate studies.

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She is actually,

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you know, she

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normally lives in

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Portugal

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and she spends

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some time

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in Angola,

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and now she's

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talking about

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moving to Angola

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to follow this as

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a full-time

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passion, a

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full-time job.

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So it's no longer

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just a passion,

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no longer just

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graduate work.

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It is full-time

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for her. She's

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giving it a shot.

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We're going to

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talk about

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everything that

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goes into that,

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including big

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life changes.

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We're going to

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talk about that

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on this episode

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of the Beyond

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Jaws podcast.

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Let's

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start the show.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to

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another exciting

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episode of the

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Beyond Jaws

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podcast.

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I'm your co-host,

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Andrew Lewin,

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here with my

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co-host, Dr.

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David Ebert.

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Dave, were you

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ready to talk

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about Angola and

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some big life

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changes for Anna

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Lucia

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Furtado-Sores?

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Yep. Yep. She was

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on the show about

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two years ago, I

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think it was.

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And then she was

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a great guest.

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I've known her

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for quite

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a while.

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And, you know,

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she has some

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updates to bring

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us up to date.

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She's just

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launching her

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NGO,

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Elizmo Angola,

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and she's got a

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new website up

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there, which

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we'll post here

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so people can go

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there and

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check it out.

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And she's just

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taken the step,

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you know,

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basically just

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starting her own

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organization

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rather than

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waiting around

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for life to

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happen and stuff.

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And life is

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happening for

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her, which we'll

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get into today as

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well in the

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episode.

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But yeah, she's

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definitely one of

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these early

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career, just

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real, in my

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opinion, real

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rising stars in

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the field.

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And she works in

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a difficult

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environment in

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Angola there, but

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she's really

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committed to what

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she's doing.

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She's very

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passionate and

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very driven.

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And we like to

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see that.

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And we just, you

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know, she's a

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good, she's a

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good role model

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for other young

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people just

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starting out, you

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know, she's not

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that old too, you

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know, but she

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knows exactly.

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She just knows

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what she

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wants to do.

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And if you're

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other young

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people out there

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looking, you

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know, you can

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stand around and

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wait for life to

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happen or you can

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do like Lucia has

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done and just

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kind of take life

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by the horns and

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just go for it.

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So anyway, she's

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a good

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role model.

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So really looking

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forward to this

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for the for the

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interview today.

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Great. So let's

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start the

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interview and

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enjoy and we'll

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talk to

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you after.

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Hey, Lucia.

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Welcome to the

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Beyond Jaws

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podcast.

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Are you ready to

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talk about the

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shark project?

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Absolutely. Thank

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you so much for

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inviting

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me again.

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You bet.

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Yeah. Well,

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welcome to the

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Beyond Jaws

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podcast where we

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have a fabulous

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returning guest

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to update us on

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what she's

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been up to.

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And Alicia

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Fertado Sores

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from both from

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Portugal and

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Angola is the

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principal

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research

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scientist with

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the Angola Lazmo

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project.

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And she's just

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launched a

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fabulous new

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website here.

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Angola Lazmo

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Brank project,

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which we're going

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to talk about

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today, among

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other things,

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just as a brief

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reminder of she

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was on the

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episode 70 back

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in May of 2024.

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Please go check

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it out to get her

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full life story

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up to that point

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in her life at the time.

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She has a B.S.C.

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in marine science

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and oceanography

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from the

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University of

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Algarve.

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She also has an

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M.S.C. in marine

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biodiversity and

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conservation from

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the University of

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Paris for the

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Pierre Marie

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Curie from the

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Sobon

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universities and

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the University of

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Jett, which is a

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real mouthful for

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me to pronounce

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since all

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is in French.

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And she's

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currently doing

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her PhD at the

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Ludwig Maximilian

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University

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in Munich.

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And they said

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she's the

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founder. She's

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going to update

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us. She had a

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ridiculously busy

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schedule.

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And I thought,

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well, let's have

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her back on to

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kind of update us

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on everything

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she's been up to.

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So, Lucia,

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welcome back to

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the show.

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Hi, thank you so

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much for inviting

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me again. It's

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really a pleasure

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to speak to you

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once again.

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And yeah, I'm

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thrilled to share

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what I've been

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doing since the last time.

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Great. Well,

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what? Well, what

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have you been

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doing doing since

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what's what are

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some of the

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highlights you've

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been up to?

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They started to

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cut you off

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before before we

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do. I think I

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think, Lucia,

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you're going to

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have to introduce

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your friend.

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If anybody

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watching this on

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I know you get we

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have the cutest

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little friend

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that has decided

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to come

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and join us.

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I think he's

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looking for she's

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looking for a

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little bit of

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attention from.

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I know.

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Absolutely

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adorable.

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So her name is

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Aurora, like our

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own aborialis.

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Yeah. Yeah. She's

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eight months old

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and she's a rat

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on it up

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for the gala.

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So, yeah, I

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really like her.

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And I just got

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01:04:32,208 --> 01:04:33,166
home. This is why

317
01:04:33,166 --> 01:04:33,875
she's like this.

318
01:04:34,083 --> 01:04:34,500
So I'm very

319
01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:36,166
sorry. Yeah.

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01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:37,416
She's bothering a

321
01:04:37,416 --> 01:04:38,416
little bit. At

322
01:04:38,416 --> 01:04:39,041
least she's not

323
01:04:39,041 --> 01:04:40,000
farting. Could be

324
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:40,750
worse. Could be

325
01:04:40,750 --> 01:04:41,250
really worse.

326
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:42,541
Yeah. She's just

327
01:04:42,541 --> 01:04:43,458
fun to see on my

328
01:04:43,458 --> 01:04:44,083
life. She's

329
01:04:44,083 --> 01:04:45,666
adorable. We're

330
01:04:45,666 --> 01:04:46,250
pet friendly

331
01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:47,041
here. So welcome

332
01:04:47,041 --> 01:04:48,250
to dogs. That's

333
01:04:48,250 --> 01:04:49,000
your favorite

334
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:49,750
pets are welcome

335
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:50,666
here. So.

336
01:04:50,958 --> 01:04:52,375
Sharks. Sharks.

337
01:04:52,666 --> 01:04:53,250
Well, yes, of

338
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:54,000
course. Sharks. A little

339
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:54,791
interesting. But

340
01:04:54,791 --> 01:04:56,166
yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

341
01:04:56,416 --> 01:04:57,500
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

342
01:04:58,541 --> 01:04:58,916
Yeah. So

343
01:04:58,916 --> 01:05:00,583
yeah. So we.

344
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:02,291
Yeah. Going back

345
01:05:02,291 --> 01:05:05,500
to so last year

346
01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:07,125
we we've not

347
01:05:07,125 --> 01:05:08,958
we've not picked

348
01:05:08,958 --> 01:05:09,916
for like a year,

349
01:05:09,916 --> 01:05:11,083
I think. So I

350
01:05:11,083 --> 01:05:11,458
will start with the first year.

351
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:12,083
I will start with

352
01:05:12,083 --> 01:05:13,166
something that

353
01:05:13,166 --> 01:05:13,833
was really,

354
01:05:13,833 --> 01:05:14,375
really important

355
01:05:14,375 --> 01:05:15,166
for the project,

356
01:05:15,166 --> 01:05:15,833
which was the

357
01:05:15,833 --> 01:05:16,625
visit of my

358
01:05:16,625 --> 01:05:18,250
supervisor. And I

359
01:05:18,250 --> 01:05:18,875
think a lot of

360
01:05:18,875 --> 01:05:20,166
people who know

361
01:05:20,166 --> 01:05:21,666
who she is. Dr.

362
01:05:22,916 --> 01:05:25,625
A true star in

363
01:05:25,625 --> 01:05:26,541
the field. Right.

364
01:05:26,916 --> 01:05:27,583
So for me, you

365
01:05:27,583 --> 01:05:28,333
could imagine

366
01:05:28,333 --> 01:05:29,666
that I had to

367
01:05:29,666 --> 01:05:30,916
receive Dr. V. I

368
01:05:30,916 --> 01:05:32,083
was nervous.

369
01:05:34,083 --> 01:05:35,291
Yeah. Of course.

370
01:05:35,625 --> 01:05:37,875
So I know I know

371
01:05:37,875 --> 01:05:39,000
I was doing the

372
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:39,666
project for all

373
01:05:39,666 --> 01:05:40,833
these years, but

374
01:05:40,833 --> 01:05:42,666
she's someone

375
01:05:42,666 --> 01:05:43,500
that believed in

376
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:44,083
me since the

377
01:05:44,083 --> 01:05:45,083
beginning. And

378
01:05:45,083 --> 01:05:47,875
from which I

379
01:05:47,875 --> 01:05:49,625
learned a lot.

380
01:05:50,041 --> 01:05:50,958
And she's never

381
01:05:50,958 --> 01:05:51,458
been in the field.

382
01:05:51,500 --> 01:05:52,875
But me and

383
01:05:52,875 --> 01:05:55,416
Angola. So for me

384
01:05:55,416 --> 01:05:57,083
was obviously in

385
01:05:57,083 --> 01:05:58,125
terms of I really

386
01:05:58,125 --> 01:05:59,000
respect her work.

387
01:05:59,208 --> 01:06:00,500
So I did. I was

388
01:06:00,500 --> 01:06:01,250
nervous because I

389
01:06:01,250 --> 01:06:02,250
wanted this to be

390
01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:02,833
excellent and

391
01:06:02,833 --> 01:06:03,083
excellent

392
01:06:03,083 --> 01:06:03,875
experience for

393
01:06:03,875 --> 01:06:06,208
her, which in her

394
01:06:06,208 --> 01:06:07,458
words, it was.

395
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:09,291
She spent about a

396
01:06:09,291 --> 01:06:10,916
week with me

397
01:06:10,916 --> 01:06:12,041
there and we did

398
01:06:12,041 --> 01:06:12,708
a little bit of

399
01:06:12,708 --> 01:06:14,000
everything. We

400
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:14,791
visit all the

401
01:06:14,791 --> 01:06:15,958
sites. We spoke

402
01:06:15,958 --> 01:06:16,750
with the people

403
01:06:16,750 --> 01:06:18,083
that were

404
01:06:18,083 --> 01:06:18,666
involved in the

405
01:06:18,666 --> 01:06:20,541
project. And bear

406
01:06:20,541 --> 01:06:22,458
in mind that it's

407
01:06:22,458 --> 01:06:23,750
so this the

408
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:25,166
project is now

409
01:06:25,166 --> 01:06:25,791
based in the

410
01:06:25,791 --> 01:06:26,458
Namib region,

411
01:06:26,458 --> 01:06:27,125
which is in the

412
01:06:27,125 --> 01:06:27,875
south of Angola.

413
01:06:28,666 --> 01:06:30,000
And just the

414
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:30,875
province of Namib

415
01:06:30,875 --> 01:06:32,291
is huge. It's

416
01:06:32,291 --> 01:06:33,625
like the size of

417
01:06:33,625 --> 01:06:34,416
almost Portugal.

418
01:06:35,166 --> 01:06:35,958
So I will say

419
01:06:35,958 --> 01:06:37,125
that. Yeah. So I

420
01:06:37,125 --> 01:06:37,833
will say that,

421
01:06:37,833 --> 01:06:38,916
yeah, we were

422
01:06:38,916 --> 01:06:39,875
driving spending

423
01:06:39,875 --> 01:06:40,708
a lot of time in

424
01:06:40,708 --> 01:06:41,500
the car together.

425
01:06:41,500 --> 01:06:42,250
So she had time

426
01:06:42,250 --> 01:06:42,958
to speak with the

427
01:06:42,958 --> 01:06:44,166
volunteers, even

428
01:06:44,166 --> 01:06:44,958
the driver that

429
01:06:44,958 --> 01:06:45,625
is like kind of

430
01:06:45,625 --> 01:06:46,125
part of the

431
01:06:46,125 --> 01:06:46,875
family now.

432
01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:48,083
Our Angola

433
01:06:48,083 --> 01:06:49,166
project family.

434
01:06:49,416 --> 01:06:50,625
So, yeah, she

435
01:06:50,625 --> 01:06:51,583
wants to go back

436
01:06:51,583 --> 01:06:52,083
and she was

437
01:06:52,083 --> 01:06:53,916
really happy with

438
01:06:53,916 --> 01:06:54,958
what she saw in

439
01:06:54,958 --> 01:06:56,750
terms of time,

440
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:58,750
resources and

441
01:06:58,750 --> 01:07:00,583
also my efforts

442
01:07:00,583 --> 01:07:02,416
there. So for me,

443
01:07:02,416 --> 01:07:03,875
it was really a

444
01:07:03,875 --> 01:07:05,541
mark that I can

445
01:07:05,541 --> 01:07:07,166
say I do respect

446
01:07:07,166 --> 01:07:08,458
a lot of people's opinions.

447
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:10,083
But I needed that

448
01:07:10,083 --> 01:07:10,875
one. I needed her

449
01:07:10,875 --> 01:07:12,083
to see and tell

450
01:07:12,083 --> 01:07:12,958
me, yeah, you're

451
01:07:12,958 --> 01:07:14,208
doing well. And

452
01:07:14,208 --> 01:07:14,916
this is the way

453
01:07:14,916 --> 01:07:16,250
to go. So it

454
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:17,125
really motivated

455
01:07:17,125 --> 01:07:18,250
me to do more.

456
01:07:18,666 --> 01:07:20,125
And yeah, and

457
01:07:20,125 --> 01:07:21,083
this is how we

458
01:07:21,083 --> 01:07:21,791
end up like with

459
01:07:21,791 --> 01:07:22,583
the website and

460
01:07:22,583 --> 01:07:24,791
other ideas, no

461
01:07:24,791 --> 01:07:26,041
other objectives

462
01:07:26,041 --> 01:07:26,916
that I have now

463
01:07:26,916 --> 01:07:27,458
for this year.

464
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:29,416
So, yeah, it was

465
01:07:29,416 --> 01:07:29,916
really important

466
01:07:29,916 --> 01:07:30,666
for her to come

467
01:07:30,666 --> 01:07:31,625
and practice.

468
01:07:31,833 --> 01:07:32,250
Well, she was

469
01:07:32,250 --> 01:07:33,083
also doing field

470
01:07:33,083 --> 01:07:33,958
work with me,

471
01:07:33,958 --> 01:07:34,833
which also helped

472
01:07:34,833 --> 01:07:36,000
me because, you

473
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:36,916
know, someone

474
01:07:36,916 --> 01:07:37,416
that has like

475
01:07:37,416 --> 01:07:38,333
lots of years of

476
01:07:38,333 --> 01:07:38,833
experience.

477
01:07:39,333 --> 01:07:39,916
Sometimes you

478
01:07:39,916 --> 01:07:41,041
look because I'm

479
01:07:41,041 --> 01:07:41,333
doing

480
01:07:41,333 --> 01:07:43,833
measurements and

481
01:07:43,833 --> 01:07:45,458
so taxonomy, etc.

482
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:46,541
But she's so

483
01:07:46,541 --> 01:07:47,666
quick and you

484
01:07:47,666 --> 01:07:48,166
feel like the

485
01:07:48,166 --> 01:07:48,833
pressure to do

486
01:07:48,833 --> 01:07:49,416
it, but you do

487
01:07:49,416 --> 01:07:49,916
it, you know,

488
01:07:49,916 --> 01:07:50,375
like sometimes

489
01:07:50,375 --> 01:07:51,333
you need someone

490
01:07:51,333 --> 01:07:52,625
close to you that

491
01:07:52,625 --> 01:07:55,208
pushes you to do

492
01:07:55,208 --> 01:07:56,208
better and more

493
01:07:56,208 --> 01:07:56,833
and faster.

494
01:07:57,083 --> 01:07:57,916
And I really

495
01:07:57,916 --> 01:07:58,791
challenged me and

496
01:07:58,791 --> 01:07:59,375
it was really

497
01:07:59,375 --> 01:08:01,208
amazing. So she

498
01:08:01,208 --> 01:08:02,000
pushed me to even

499
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:02,708
do more than I

500
01:08:02,708 --> 01:08:04,583
was doing. And

501
01:08:04,583 --> 01:08:05,708
yeah, and it

502
01:08:05,708 --> 01:08:06,625
changed also the

503
01:08:06,625 --> 01:08:07,416
project in terms

504
01:08:07,416 --> 01:08:08,625
of the rhythm

505
01:08:08,625 --> 01:08:09,500
that we have,

506
01:08:09,791 --> 01:08:10,166
even the

507
01:08:10,166 --> 01:08:10,708
volunteers

508
01:08:10,708 --> 01:08:12,333
because so some

509
01:08:12,333 --> 01:08:13,000
of the volunteers

510
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:13,458
didn't speak English.

511
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:15,500
Well, they at the

512
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:16,083
end of the week,

513
01:08:16,083 --> 01:08:16,291
they were

514
01:08:16,291 --> 01:08:17,083
speaking somehow

515
01:08:17,083 --> 01:08:17,958
English with her.

516
01:08:18,291 --> 01:08:18,750
She was putting

517
01:08:18,750 --> 01:08:19,833
me into working

518
01:08:19,833 --> 01:08:20,666
with one of them.

519
01:08:20,958 --> 01:08:21,583
So she was

520
01:08:21,583 --> 01:08:22,208
measuring and

521
01:08:22,208 --> 01:08:23,250
like, and saying

522
01:08:23,250 --> 01:08:24,041
the number like,

523
01:08:24,041 --> 01:08:24,625
for example, the

524
01:08:24,625 --> 01:08:26,291
land of the shark

525
01:08:26,291 --> 01:08:27,958
or the sex, but

526
01:08:27,958 --> 01:08:28,416
they were getting

527
01:08:28,416 --> 01:08:28,958
everything.

528
01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:30,041
They had to there

529
01:08:30,041 --> 01:08:30,666
was no chance

530
01:08:30,666 --> 01:08:31,500
they knew that

531
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:32,250
she was there and

532
01:08:32,250 --> 01:08:33,416
who she was. And

533
01:08:33,416 --> 01:08:34,375
this was such a

534
01:08:34,375 --> 01:08:34,666
learning

535
01:08:34,666 --> 01:08:35,708
opportunity that

536
01:08:35,708 --> 01:08:37,166
somehow English

537
01:08:37,166 --> 01:08:38,291
game, like to

538
01:08:38,291 --> 01:08:39,083
their heads, like

539
01:08:39,083 --> 01:08:39,666
straight away,

540
01:08:39,666 --> 01:08:40,166
like it was

541
01:08:40,166 --> 01:08:40,458
amazing. Yeah.

542
01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:42,833
So for all of us,

543
01:08:42,833 --> 01:08:43,125
it was very

544
01:08:43,125 --> 01:08:44,416
motivating for

545
01:08:44,416 --> 01:08:45,750
them to also see

546
01:08:45,750 --> 01:08:47,458
that so I'm

547
01:08:47,458 --> 01:08:48,958
supervising them

548
01:08:48,958 --> 01:08:50,083
and she's not a

549
01:08:50,083 --> 01:08:51,083
supervisor. So I

550
01:08:51,083 --> 01:08:52,625
bought my boss,

551
01:08:52,958 --> 01:08:53,791
you know, and it

552
01:08:53,791 --> 01:08:54,583
was nice for them

553
01:08:54,583 --> 01:08:55,500
to also see that

554
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:57,208
there's there's

555
01:08:57,208 --> 01:08:58,250
more than me

556
01:08:58,250 --> 01:09:00,791
above them and

557
01:09:00,791 --> 01:09:01,750
teaching them and

558
01:09:01,750 --> 01:09:02,791
in his learning

559
01:09:02,791 --> 01:09:03,458
experience and everything.

560
01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:05,000
Yeah, it was

561
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,000
really nice. I

562
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,000
also had the so

563
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:09,791
it was it was a

564
01:09:09,791 --> 01:09:10,083
year of the

565
01:09:10,083 --> 01:09:11,375
visits. So I had

566
01:09:11,375 --> 01:09:12,208
this save our

567
01:09:12,208 --> 01:09:13,750
seats. Oh, yeah.

568
01:09:14,041 --> 01:09:15,416
Telling grantee

569
01:09:15,416 --> 01:09:18,333
and and is I is

570
01:09:18,333 --> 01:09:20,416
assistant. So

571
01:09:20,416 --> 01:09:21,291
both of them,

572
01:09:21,291 --> 01:09:22,708
they came to

573
01:09:22,708 --> 01:09:23,333
Angola and they

574
01:09:23,333 --> 01:09:24,500
spent one week

575
01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:25,416
with me and then

576
01:09:25,416 --> 01:09:26,375
they went diving

577
01:09:26,375 --> 01:09:28,916
to the center of

578
01:09:28,916 --> 01:09:30,541
the central zone,

579
01:09:30,541 --> 01:09:31,458
which is this.

580
01:09:31,500 --> 01:09:32,416
We have the city

581
01:09:32,416 --> 01:09:33,666
of Bengala, which

582
01:09:33,666 --> 01:09:36,000
is I will say is

583
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,833
warm waters and

584
01:09:37,833 --> 01:09:38,875
the better

585
01:09:38,875 --> 01:09:39,625
conditions to

586
01:09:39,625 --> 01:09:40,875
dive. So in the

587
01:09:40,875 --> 01:09:41,666
meat, there is no

588
01:09:41,666 --> 01:09:42,875
diving right now,

589
01:09:43,083 --> 01:09:43,458
which is

590
01:09:43,458 --> 01:09:44,041
something that I

591
01:09:44,041 --> 01:09:44,458
would like in the future.

592
01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:46,333
This will be what

593
01:09:46,333 --> 01:09:47,000
I'm going to say

594
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,916
later about the

595
01:09:48,916 --> 01:09:49,583
hub that I'm

596
01:09:49,583 --> 01:09:50,208
trying to create.

597
01:09:50,708 --> 01:09:51,291
So there's no one

598
01:09:51,291 --> 01:09:52,458
doing diving

599
01:09:52,458 --> 01:09:53,375
there, although

600
01:09:53,375 --> 01:09:53,666
there are

601
01:09:53,666 --> 01:09:54,500
conditions, but

602
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:55,250
it's really hard

603
01:09:55,250 --> 01:09:55,708
because there's

604
01:09:55,708 --> 01:09:57,458
no any material

605
01:09:57,458 --> 01:09:59,000
or anyone to

606
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,291
support this type

607
01:10:00,291 --> 01:10:01,083
of, you know,

608
01:10:01,083 --> 01:10:01,833
activity here.

609
01:10:02,375 --> 01:10:02,666
Is there much

610
01:10:02,666 --> 01:10:03,625
diving in Angola

611
01:10:03,625 --> 01:10:04,416
anywhere? Is

612
01:10:04,416 --> 01:10:05,583
there much scuba

613
01:10:05,583 --> 01:10:06,041
diving or

614
01:10:06,041 --> 01:10:06,250
anything?

615
01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:09,250
There's only one

616
01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:09,833
scuba diving

617
01:10:09,833 --> 01:10:11,375
school school. So

618
01:10:11,375 --> 01:10:13,833
yeah, which is in

619
01:10:13,833 --> 01:10:15,833
Bengala. We we

620
01:10:15,833 --> 01:10:16,458
don't know each

621
01:10:16,458 --> 01:10:17,875
other personally,

622
01:10:17,875 --> 01:10:18,750
but we

623
01:10:18,750 --> 01:10:20,333
collaborated and

624
01:10:20,333 --> 01:10:21,375
we this is one of

625
01:10:21,375 --> 01:10:22,333
the part of one

626
01:10:22,333 --> 01:10:22,791
of the things

627
01:10:22,791 --> 01:10:23,333
that I want to do

628
01:10:23,333 --> 01:10:24,708
in the future is

629
01:10:24,708 --> 01:10:25,875
with their help

630
01:10:25,875 --> 01:10:27,833
to establish the

631
01:10:27,833 --> 01:10:28,875
project also in

632
01:10:28,875 --> 01:10:29,750
Bengala, which is

633
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:30,458
the central zone.

634
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:31,791
So saying that I

635
01:10:31,791 --> 01:10:32,750
want would like

636
01:10:32,750 --> 01:10:33,833
to expand at

637
01:10:33,833 --> 01:10:34,625
least have people

638
01:10:34,625 --> 01:10:35,500
in the Norton

639
01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:36,500
Center and South

640
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:37,000
Indian zone

641
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,000
because you have

642
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:38,375
the different

643
01:10:38,375 --> 01:10:39,250
currents and it's

644
01:10:39,250 --> 01:10:39,916
important to see

645
01:10:39,916 --> 01:10:40,416
the differences

646
01:10:40,416 --> 01:10:41,083
and the

647
01:10:41,083 --> 01:10:41,833
country's huge.

648
01:10:41,833 --> 01:10:42,333
I cannot be

649
01:10:42,333 --> 01:10:43,458
everywhere. So it

650
01:10:43,458 --> 01:10:44,375
will be nice to

651
01:10:44,375 --> 01:10:45,916
replicate the

652
01:10:45,916 --> 01:10:46,958
project and have

653
01:10:46,958 --> 01:10:47,958
someone there and

654
01:10:47,958 --> 01:10:48,333
they're really

655
01:10:48,333 --> 01:10:49,166
open about it

656
01:10:49,166 --> 01:10:50,666
because they also

657
01:10:50,666 --> 01:10:52,791
do some cleanups

658
01:10:52,791 --> 01:10:53,833
and they really

659
01:10:53,833 --> 01:10:56,083
want to protect

660
01:10:56,083 --> 01:10:56,625
the environment

661
01:10:56,625 --> 01:10:57,541
and they felt

662
01:10:57,541 --> 01:10:58,458
very alone for many years.

663
01:10:58,500 --> 01:11:01,166
It is

664
01:11:01,166 --> 01:11:03,291
environmental, I

665
01:11:03,291 --> 01:11:03,666
would say

666
01:11:03,666 --> 01:11:05,500
subjects in

667
01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:06,208
Angola is not

668
01:11:06,208 --> 01:11:07,458
very popular, I

669
01:11:07,458 --> 01:11:08,333
will say. People

670
01:11:08,333 --> 01:11:09,125
don't have like

671
01:11:09,125 --> 01:11:10,500
the interest

672
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:11,458
doesn't go really

673
01:11:11,458 --> 01:11:14,000
to with to do

674
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:14,500
with the sea

675
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:15,875
besides

676
01:11:15,875 --> 01:11:16,458
going on a boat.

677
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:19,625
So diving or even

678
01:11:19,625 --> 01:11:20,791
swimming or

679
01:11:20,791 --> 01:11:21,833
taking care of

680
01:11:21,833 --> 01:11:23,083
our beaches.

681
01:11:23,625 --> 01:11:25,083
That's not a

682
01:11:25,083 --> 01:11:25,666
thing there. And

683
01:11:25,666 --> 01:11:26,166
they were really

684
01:11:26,166 --> 01:11:26,833
fighting from the

685
01:11:26,833 --> 01:11:27,291
beginning. This

686
01:11:27,291 --> 01:11:30,250
is how I got to

687
01:11:30,250 --> 01:11:31,583
know them. And we

688
01:11:31,583 --> 01:11:32,291
are trying to do

689
01:11:32,291 --> 01:11:33,041
a partnership in

690
01:11:33,041 --> 01:11:34,416
the future and

691
01:11:34,416 --> 01:11:35,250
hopefully bring

692
01:11:35,250 --> 01:11:37,083
also diving to

693
01:11:37,083 --> 01:11:37,583
the meat, which

694
01:11:37,583 --> 01:11:38,041
will be very

695
01:11:38,041 --> 01:11:38,750
important to see

696
01:11:38,750 --> 01:11:39,000
what is

697
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:39,458
underwater.

698
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:40,833
Not only what

699
01:11:40,833 --> 01:11:41,750
I've been doing

700
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:43,750
in the service in

701
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:44,000
the landing

702
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:44,833
service with a

703
01:11:44,833 --> 01:11:46,125
fisherman with a

704
01:11:46,125 --> 01:11:46,708
fisherman. Sorry.

705
01:11:47,291 --> 01:11:48,750
I want to remind

706
01:11:48,750 --> 01:11:49,375
people to like

707
01:11:49,375 --> 01:11:49,875
because you have

708
01:11:49,875 --> 01:11:51,250
a very per Angola

709
01:11:51,250 --> 01:11:52,000
is very personal

710
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:52,375
to you because

711
01:11:52,375 --> 01:11:52,750
you have your

712
01:11:52,750 --> 01:11:53,083
family

713
01:11:53,083 --> 01:11:54,000
connections from

714
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:54,541
there from your

715
01:11:54,541 --> 01:11:55,000
parents.

716
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:55,833
Your or your

717
01:11:55,833 --> 01:11:56,541
parents fled

718
01:11:56,541 --> 01:11:57,333
during the Civil

719
01:11:57,333 --> 01:11:58,625
War there back in

720
01:11:58,625 --> 01:11:59,125
the in the

721
01:11:59,125 --> 01:11:59,708
eighties. But

722
01:11:59,708 --> 01:12:00,750
just so people

723
01:12:00,750 --> 01:12:01,708
know it's a very

724
01:12:01,708 --> 01:12:02,208
it's very

725
01:12:02,208 --> 01:12:02,458
personal to you.

726
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:03,916
The work you're

727
01:12:03,916 --> 01:12:04,541
doing in Angola

728
01:12:04,541 --> 01:12:05,166
because of your

729
01:12:05,166 --> 01:12:05,708
family

730
01:12:05,708 --> 01:12:06,708
connections and

731
01:12:06,708 --> 01:12:07,166
stuff. And do you

732
01:12:07,166 --> 01:12:07,875
feel a sense of

733
01:12:07,875 --> 01:12:08,416
that when you go

734
01:12:08,416 --> 01:12:09,958
back now kind of

735
01:12:09,958 --> 01:12:10,500
a bit of a

736
01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:10,958
connection?

737
01:12:12,083 --> 01:12:14,875
I feel home now.

738
01:12:14,875 --> 01:12:15,666
I got an

739
01:12:15,666 --> 01:12:16,166
interesting

740
01:12:16,166 --> 01:12:17,958
encounter. So to

741
01:12:17,958 --> 01:12:19,750
do to do service

742
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:20,541
there, you need

743
01:12:20,541 --> 01:12:21,333
to always ask the

744
01:12:21,333 --> 01:12:22,791
permission of the

745
01:12:22,791 --> 01:12:24,375
chief of the

746
01:12:24,375 --> 01:12:25,916
fishers, which is

747
01:12:25,916 --> 01:12:26,458
called the Soba.

748
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:27,791
So every

749
01:12:27,791 --> 01:12:30,500
community will

750
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:31,333
have a Soba. You

751
01:12:31,333 --> 01:12:31,875
need to find

752
01:12:31,875 --> 01:12:33,000
them. And I

753
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,416
somehow this is a

754
01:12:35,416 --> 01:12:35,916
very interesting

755
01:12:35,916 --> 01:12:36,833
story because I

756
01:12:36,833 --> 01:12:37,291
was with the

757
01:12:37,291 --> 01:12:37,833
storytelling

758
01:12:37,833 --> 01:12:40,750
grantees. So we

759
01:12:40,750 --> 01:12:41,833
were in a beach

760
01:12:41,833 --> 01:12:42,875
and we were

761
01:12:42,875 --> 01:12:44,541
trying to see if

762
01:12:44,541 --> 01:12:45,041
they could

763
01:12:45,041 --> 01:12:45,833
find some.

764
01:12:47,875 --> 01:12:49,041
It was see they

765
01:12:49,041 --> 01:12:49,625
were doing some

766
01:12:49,625 --> 01:12:51,083
purses with seals

767
01:12:51,083 --> 01:12:52,708
scheme. And I saw

768
01:12:52,708 --> 01:12:53,375
this like many

769
01:12:53,375 --> 01:12:54,041
years ago when

770
01:12:54,041 --> 01:12:54,541
they wanted to

771
01:12:54,541 --> 01:12:55,416
photograph. So we

772
01:12:55,416 --> 01:12:56,333
went to talk with

773
01:12:56,333 --> 01:12:57,375
the fishers and

774
01:12:57,375 --> 01:12:58,208
somehow one of

775
01:12:58,208 --> 01:12:59,333
them said, do you

776
01:12:59,333 --> 01:12:59,666
want to

777
01:12:59,666 --> 01:13:00,333
know the Soba?

778
01:13:00,541 --> 01:13:01,208
And we were like,

779
01:13:01,208 --> 01:13:02,125
oh, yeah, let's

780
01:13:02,125 --> 01:13:04,250
go. And while the

781
01:13:04,250 --> 01:13:04,958
photos that they

782
01:13:04,958 --> 01:13:06,708
have, I'm dying

783
01:13:06,708 --> 01:13:07,375
to see this

784
01:13:07,375 --> 01:13:08,208
published. It's

785
01:13:08,208 --> 01:13:09,041
insane. It's

786
01:13:09,041 --> 01:13:09,708
amazing. It's

787
01:13:09,708 --> 01:13:11,291
like like a photo

788
01:13:11,291 --> 01:13:11,875
of a lifetime.

789
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:13,833
The Soba comes

790
01:13:13,833 --> 01:13:14,208
and he was

791
01:13:14,208 --> 01:13:15,458
dressed like a as

792
01:13:15,458 --> 01:13:16,625
a civil, like not

793
01:13:16,625 --> 01:13:17,666
nicely. And then

794
01:13:17,666 --> 01:13:18,250
he said, oh, is

795
01:13:18,250 --> 01:13:18,750
the photograph

796
01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:19,541
OK, wait a

797
01:13:19,541 --> 01:13:20,041
minute. And he

798
01:13:20,041 --> 01:13:21,166
was like in a

799
01:13:21,166 --> 01:13:21,916
military suit,

800
01:13:22,208 --> 01:13:23,291
like with the hat

801
01:13:23,291 --> 01:13:24,000
and everything.

802
01:13:24,250 --> 01:13:25,416
And I don't know

803
01:13:25,416 --> 01:13:26,041
the name, the

804
01:13:26,041 --> 01:13:26,958
stick with like

805
01:13:26,958 --> 01:13:28,625
animal fire and

806
01:13:28,625 --> 01:13:29,333
everything, like

807
01:13:29,333 --> 01:13:30,166
kind of a wizard

808
01:13:30,166 --> 01:13:31,541
thing. We were

809
01:13:31,541 --> 01:13:32,458
like, OK, we

810
01:13:32,458 --> 01:13:33,375
cried. It was

811
01:13:33,375 --> 01:13:33,708
something

812
01:13:33,708 --> 01:13:34,666
intense. And he

813
01:13:34,666 --> 01:13:35,833
said, you said,

814
01:13:36,166 --> 01:13:37,541
you welcome to

815
01:13:37,541 --> 01:13:39,458
your home land.

816
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:40,583
You're welcome

817
01:13:40,583 --> 01:13:41,916
here. And your

818
01:13:41,916 --> 01:13:42,958
work is what

819
01:13:42,958 --> 01:13:43,583
you're doing is

820
01:13:43,583 --> 01:13:44,958
good for us. And

821
01:13:44,958 --> 01:13:45,875
we respect you

822
01:13:45,875 --> 01:13:46,500
and you're always

823
01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:47,416
welcome here. I

824
01:13:47,416 --> 01:13:48,791
cried. So this

825
01:13:48,791 --> 01:13:50,291
was really being

826
01:13:50,291 --> 01:13:51,833
acknowledged by

827
01:13:51,833 --> 01:13:53,625
the king, I will

828
01:13:53,625 --> 01:13:54,500
say, on the

829
01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:55,541
fishers.

830
01:13:55,541 --> 01:13:56,208
So this is

831
01:13:56,208 --> 01:13:57,041
something that

832
01:13:57,041 --> 01:13:58,000
now I can walk

833
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,458
and do my work

834
01:13:59,458 --> 01:14:01,291
really freely.

835
01:14:01,875 --> 01:14:02,625
Right. Because

836
01:14:02,625 --> 01:14:03,000
you have the

837
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,500
ball. Yeah. The

838
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:05,333
blessing of them.

839
01:14:05,333 --> 01:14:05,916
And he blessed

840
01:14:05,916 --> 01:14:06,416
also the

841
01:14:06,416 --> 01:14:07,083
storyteller

842
01:14:07,083 --> 01:14:07,791
saying that their

843
01:14:07,791 --> 01:14:08,166
work was

844
01:14:08,166 --> 01:14:08,458
important and to share with you.

845
01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:10,791
Yeah. It was

846
01:14:10,791 --> 01:14:12,041
amazing. For

847
01:14:12,041 --> 01:14:12,958
sure. Soon you

848
01:14:12,958 --> 01:14:14,000
will get to see

849
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,166
this through

850
01:14:15,166 --> 01:14:16,541
Saver Seas. Yeah.

851
01:14:16,541 --> 01:14:18,041
It hasn't come

852
01:14:18,041 --> 01:14:19,000
out yet. Right.

853
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:19,541
The Saver Seas.

854
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:20,958
No, no, no.

855
01:14:21,291 --> 01:14:22,375
Should be soon.

856
01:14:22,791 --> 01:14:23,958
Who's a

857
01:14:23,958 --> 01:14:24,750
storyteller that

858
01:14:24,750 --> 01:14:26,291
that was went out

859
01:14:26,291 --> 01:14:26,833
there with you?

860
01:14:26,833 --> 01:14:28,250
Who is so is

861
01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:29,208
Argentinian and

862
01:14:29,208 --> 01:14:29,750
his name is

863
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:30,875
Nicholas Han and

864
01:14:30,875 --> 01:14:31,958
his assistant was

865
01:14:31,958 --> 01:14:32,458
name is Miguel.

866
01:14:32,500 --> 01:14:34,000
I don't I'm

867
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:34,750
sorry. I do not

868
01:14:34,750 --> 01:14:35,833
remember the

869
01:14:35,833 --> 01:14:36,458
surname if you

870
01:14:36,458 --> 01:14:37,333
listen into this.

871
01:14:37,333 --> 01:14:38,458
And it's from

872
01:14:38,458 --> 01:14:39,666
Mexico and they

873
01:14:39,666 --> 01:14:40,500
were like they

874
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:41,166
want to come back

875
01:14:41,166 --> 01:14:41,833
as well. They had

876
01:14:41,833 --> 01:14:42,416
an amazing

877
01:14:42,416 --> 01:14:43,291
experience. They

878
01:14:43,291 --> 01:14:43,625
were not

879
01:14:43,625 --> 01:14:45,000
expecting Angola

880
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,000
to be like that.

881
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:46,750
People to be like

882
01:14:46,750 --> 01:14:48,666
that. So open and

883
01:14:48,666 --> 01:14:50,000
so willing to

884
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,583
share their

885
01:14:51,583 --> 01:14:52,375
knowledge and

886
01:14:52,375 --> 01:14:53,333
their lives and

887
01:14:53,333 --> 01:14:53,458
experiences.

888
01:14:53,500 --> 01:14:54,833
They went

889
01:14:54,833 --> 01:14:55,458
everywhere. They

890
01:14:55,458 --> 01:14:57,208
were really

891
01:14:57,208 --> 01:14:59,416
shocked that we

892
01:14:59,416 --> 01:15:00,125
were getting into

893
01:15:00,125 --> 01:15:00,958
people's houses

894
01:15:00,958 --> 01:15:02,291
where they were

895
01:15:02,291 --> 01:15:03,708
drying sharks and

896
01:15:03,708 --> 01:15:04,916
rays and

897
01:15:04,916 --> 01:15:06,000
processing etc.

898
01:15:06,250 --> 01:15:06,500
And they were

899
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:07,458
letting them in

900
01:15:07,458 --> 01:15:08,583
photograph film

901
01:15:08,583 --> 01:15:10,083
etc. You need to

902
01:15:10,083 --> 01:15:10,583
do it again. Do

903
01:15:10,583 --> 01:15:12,000
it again. And so

904
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:12,708
it was about take

905
01:15:12,708 --> 01:15:13,583
another take. It

906
01:15:13,583 --> 01:15:14,916
was really really

907
01:15:14,916 --> 01:15:15,833
really good. And

908
01:15:15,833 --> 01:15:16,500
they said they

909
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:17,083
would like to

910
01:15:17,083 --> 01:15:18,583
return and to

911
01:15:18,583 --> 01:15:19,208
explore a little

912
01:15:19,208 --> 01:15:20,458
bit more. Yeah.

913
01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:22,541
Wow. That sounds

914
01:15:22,541 --> 01:15:23,125
like an amazing

915
01:15:23,125 --> 01:15:24,000
experience. They

916
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:24,791
were with the

917
01:15:24,791 --> 01:15:25,583
storyteller

918
01:15:25,583 --> 01:15:26,416
storyteller

919
01:15:26,416 --> 01:15:27,541
grants. So that

920
01:15:27,541 --> 01:15:28,333
was a lot. Sound

921
01:15:28,333 --> 01:15:28,833
like a full

922
01:15:28,833 --> 01:15:29,458
schedule right

923
01:15:29,458 --> 01:15:30,583
there. That's

924
01:15:30,583 --> 01:15:31,500
that. But that's

925
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:32,000
not all you've

926
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:32,291
been doing.

927
01:15:32,291 --> 01:15:34,291
Right. Not at

928
01:15:34,291 --> 01:15:35,500
all. Not at all.

929
01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:36,375
Well, besides

930
01:15:36,375 --> 01:15:37,666
being fit and

931
01:15:37,666 --> 01:15:39,041
trying to finish

932
01:15:39,041 --> 01:15:41,875
my PhD. So it's

933
01:15:41,875 --> 01:15:43,083
for at least for

934
01:15:43,083 --> 01:15:44,166
the PhD. I close

935
01:15:44,166 --> 01:15:44,583
my data

936
01:15:44,583 --> 01:15:45,625
collection. So

937
01:15:45,625 --> 01:15:46,500
all the service

938
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:47,541
the landing site

939
01:15:47,541 --> 01:15:48,458
service are finished.

940
01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:50,708
I have my genetic

941
01:15:50,708 --> 01:15:52,208
samples being

942
01:15:52,208 --> 01:15:54,041
analyzed in

943
01:15:54,041 --> 01:15:54,958
partnership with

944
01:15:54,958 --> 01:15:57,000
the sorry. Nova

945
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,541
Southeastern

946
01:15:58,541 --> 01:15:59,583
University in

947
01:15:59,583 --> 01:16:00,375
Florida. I'm

948
01:16:00,375 --> 01:16:00,916
sorry if I'm

949
01:16:00,916 --> 01:16:01,541
pronouncing this.

950
01:16:01,541 --> 01:16:02,500
Yeah. Incorrect.

951
01:16:02,708 --> 01:16:03,833
That's right.

952
01:16:03,833 --> 01:16:04,083
That's right.

953
01:16:04,083 --> 01:16:04,458
That's right.

954
01:16:05,125 --> 01:16:07,125
With Dr. Mohamad

955
01:16:07,125 --> 01:16:09,708
Sivi. So yeah.

956
01:16:09,958 --> 01:16:10,583
Yeah. Partering

957
01:16:10,583 --> 01:16:12,958
with me. So I

958
01:16:12,958 --> 01:16:13,166
don't know

959
01:16:13,166 --> 01:16:14,125
exactly when this

960
01:16:14,125 --> 01:16:15,583
will be out. If

961
01:16:15,583 --> 01:16:16,166
this will be a

962
01:16:16,166 --> 01:16:17,458
part of my PhD or not.

963
01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:19,666
Hopefully yes. If

964
01:16:19,666 --> 01:16:21,625
not very soon as

965
01:16:21,625 --> 01:16:22,291
well. We will

966
01:16:22,291 --> 01:16:23,166
publish this

967
01:16:23,166 --> 01:16:23,875
paper which will

968
01:16:23,875 --> 01:16:24,583
be interesting to

969
01:16:24,583 --> 01:16:25,958
see also in terms

970
01:16:25,958 --> 01:16:26,916
of genetics what

971
01:16:26,916 --> 01:16:27,666
is going on

972
01:16:27,666 --> 01:16:29,250
there. But soon

973
01:16:29,250 --> 01:16:29,791
you will have.

974
01:16:29,791 --> 01:16:30,583
Can you give us a

975
01:16:30,583 --> 01:16:31,500
bit of a can you

976
01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:32,000
just give us a

977
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:32,500
bit of a

978
01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:33,708
description on

979
01:16:33,708 --> 01:16:34,625
your on your

980
01:16:34,625 --> 01:16:35,291
thesis on your

981
01:16:35,291 --> 01:16:36,250
PhD thesis just

982
01:16:36,250 --> 01:16:37,166
to give the

983
01:16:37,166 --> 01:16:37,791
audience a little

984
01:16:37,791 --> 01:16:38,333
bit of a reminder

985
01:16:38,333 --> 01:16:38,458
if they don't remember.

986
01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:41,000
So what I'm

987
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,166
trying to do here

988
01:16:42,166 --> 01:16:43,708
is to to to see

989
01:16:43,708 --> 01:16:45,166
the impact of

990
01:16:45,166 --> 01:16:47,375
fisheries small

991
01:16:47,375 --> 01:16:48,041
scale fisheries

992
01:16:48,041 --> 01:16:50,000
on a large marine

993
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,000
sharks in race.

994
01:16:51,833 --> 01:16:52,500
Why did I chose

995
01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:53,083
small scale

996
01:16:53,083 --> 01:16:53,875
fisheries because

997
01:16:53,875 --> 01:16:55,041
it was the only

998
01:16:55,041 --> 01:16:55,708
fisheries that I

999
01:16:55,708 --> 01:16:56,541
had access to.

1000
01:16:56,791 --> 01:16:57,333
Doesn't mean that

1001
01:16:57,333 --> 01:16:58,958
they are the most

1002
01:16:58,958 --> 01:17:00,875
impactful

1003
01:17:00,875 --> 01:17:01,458
impactful.

1004
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:04,416
So this is where

1005
01:17:04,416 --> 01:17:06,125
I started. I did

1006
01:17:06,125 --> 01:17:07,583
from local

1007
01:17:07,583 --> 01:17:08,083
ecological

1008
01:17:08,083 --> 01:17:08,833
ecological

1009
01:17:08,833 --> 01:17:09,500
knowledge because

1010
01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:09,958
there was no

1011
01:17:09,958 --> 01:17:10,875
baseline in terms

1012
01:17:10,875 --> 01:17:11,958
of so I'm not

1013
01:17:11,958 --> 01:17:12,666
seeing a lot of

1014
01:17:12,666 --> 01:17:13,166
sharks and rays

1015
01:17:13,166 --> 01:17:14,000
but was it there

1016
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,083
actually

1017
01:17:15,083 --> 01:17:16,041
something there.

1018
01:17:16,250 --> 01:17:16,958
So how do we do

1019
01:17:16,958 --> 01:17:17,458
we go interview fishers.

1020
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:19,208
We talked to them

1021
01:17:19,208 --> 01:17:20,041
with right to do

1022
01:17:20,041 --> 01:17:21,125
create a timeline

1023
01:17:21,125 --> 01:17:22,333
and this was

1024
01:17:22,333 --> 01:17:24,000
already done. And

1025
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,291
now what I'm

1026
01:17:25,291 --> 01:17:26,750
doing is for me

1027
01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:27,750
it's I didn't add

1028
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:29,166
a lot of funds to

1029
01:17:29,166 --> 01:17:29,791
do it. So

1030
01:17:29,791 --> 01:17:31,166
basically we go

1031
01:17:31,166 --> 01:17:31,625
to a landing

1032
01:17:31,625 --> 01:17:32,500
site. We have to

1033
01:17:32,500 --> 01:17:34,666
first do a triage

1034
01:17:34,666 --> 01:17:35,958
and see which one

1035
01:17:35,958 --> 01:17:37,750
we're gonna which

1036
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:38,708
one is worth it

1037
01:17:38,708 --> 01:17:39,208
because they're

1038
01:17:39,208 --> 01:17:39,458
long distances.

1039
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:40,958
So I'm not gonna

1040
01:17:40,958 --> 01:17:42,875
drive a long way

1041
01:17:42,875 --> 01:17:43,750
to go to a place

1042
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:44,333
that there's not

1043
01:17:44,333 --> 01:17:44,958
a lot of sharks

1044
01:17:44,958 --> 01:17:45,916
and rays being

1045
01:17:45,916 --> 01:17:46,541
fish. Although

1046
01:17:46,541 --> 01:17:47,666
there is it's

1047
01:17:47,666 --> 01:17:48,833
it's also a point

1048
01:17:48,833 --> 01:17:49,625
to be written in

1049
01:17:49,625 --> 01:17:50,916
the PhD. But what

1050
01:17:50,916 --> 01:17:51,375
I'm doing the

1051
01:17:51,375 --> 01:17:51,875
sampling is

1052
01:17:51,875 --> 01:17:52,291
really where

1053
01:17:52,291 --> 01:17:52,458
there's massive.

1054
01:17:52,500 --> 01:17:54,500
There's really a

1055
01:17:54,500 --> 01:17:55,458
huge amount of

1056
01:17:55,458 --> 01:17:55,958
sharks and rays

1057
01:17:55,958 --> 01:17:57,208
being fish and

1058
01:17:57,208 --> 01:17:58,416
I'm collecting

1059
01:17:58,416 --> 01:17:59,541
biological data.

1060
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:00,583
So collecting

1061
01:18:00,583 --> 01:18:02,041
doing taxonomy

1062
01:18:02,041 --> 01:18:03,291
cutting a little

1063
01:18:03,291 --> 01:18:04,291
bit of a tissue

1064
01:18:04,291 --> 01:18:05,375
sample to do the

1065
01:18:05,375 --> 01:18:06,000
genetics and

1066
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,125
genetics analysis

1067
01:18:07,125 --> 01:18:09,708
identifying the

1068
01:18:09,708 --> 01:18:12,083
sex and if it's a

1069
01:18:12,083 --> 01:18:13,750
male tried to see

1070
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:14,458
his maturity.

1071
01:18:14,500 --> 01:18:17,125
And now I'm

1072
01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:17,750
playing with my

1073
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:18,791
data and trying

1074
01:18:18,791 --> 01:18:20,375
to identify which

1075
01:18:20,375 --> 01:18:21,500
are the key

1076
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:22,291
species there.

1077
01:18:22,666 --> 01:18:23,833
And also I tried

1078
01:18:23,833 --> 01:18:26,916
to always have

1079
01:18:26,916 --> 01:18:28,875
the type of gear

1080
01:18:28,875 --> 01:18:29,666
that this has

1081
01:18:29,666 --> 01:18:30,958
been fished which

1082
01:18:30,958 --> 01:18:31,666
sometimes is

1083
01:18:31,666 --> 01:18:32,458
tricky because

1084
01:18:32,458 --> 01:18:33,416
the boat that

1085
01:18:33,416 --> 01:18:34,500
arrives might not

1086
01:18:34,500 --> 01:18:35,125
be the boat that

1087
01:18:35,125 --> 01:18:36,000
this was actually

1088
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:36,458
fished at.

1089
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:38,958
And but we can

1090
01:18:38,958 --> 01:18:39,541
see because of

1091
01:18:39,541 --> 01:18:40,458
the species. So

1092
01:18:40,458 --> 01:18:41,208
there's sometimes

1093
01:18:41,208 --> 01:18:42,083
there's a mix of

1094
01:18:42,083 --> 01:18:43,625
pelagic with a

1095
01:18:43,625 --> 01:18:44,291
little bit of the

1096
01:18:44,291 --> 01:18:44,791
muscle that

1097
01:18:44,791 --> 01:18:45,250
doesn't make

1098
01:18:45,250 --> 01:18:46,125
sense. So you

1099
01:18:46,125 --> 01:18:46,500
know that

1100
01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:47,208
probably there

1101
01:18:47,208 --> 01:18:47,875
was a boat that

1102
01:18:47,875 --> 01:18:48,333
dumped this

1103
01:18:48,333 --> 01:18:49,458
there. They sold

1104
01:18:49,458 --> 01:18:50,708
each other. They

1105
01:18:50,708 --> 01:18:51,208
don't care. They

1106
01:18:51,208 --> 01:18:51,708
just say like,

1107
01:18:51,708 --> 01:18:52,708
oh, this was a

1108
01:18:52,708 --> 01:18:53,875
gill net. Well,

1109
01:18:54,333 --> 01:18:55,625
but we I'm trying

1110
01:18:55,625 --> 01:18:56,500
to this is why

1111
01:18:56,500 --> 01:18:57,083
he's taking a

1112
01:18:57,083 --> 01:18:57,500
little bit of

1113
01:18:57,500 --> 01:18:58,416
more time because

1114
01:18:58,416 --> 01:18:59,041
I'm trying to

1115
01:18:59,041 --> 01:19:01,208
analyze this to

1116
01:19:01,208 --> 01:19:02,250
clear my data in

1117
01:19:02,250 --> 01:19:03,541
a way that I'm

1118
01:19:03,541 --> 01:19:04,666
not just taking

1119
01:19:04,666 --> 01:19:05,208
their word

1120
01:19:05,208 --> 01:19:05,458
because they're not just taking their word.

1121
01:19:05,500 --> 01:19:06,541
Because they

1122
01:19:06,541 --> 01:19:07,375
actually don't

1123
01:19:07,375 --> 01:19:08,083
actually know

1124
01:19:08,083 --> 01:19:08,666
where this came

1125
01:19:08,666 --> 01:19:10,791
from. It's very

1126
01:19:10,791 --> 01:19:11,458
complex. Some of

1127
01:19:11,458 --> 01:19:12,250
them has been

1128
01:19:12,250 --> 01:19:12,958
fished also by

1129
01:19:12,958 --> 01:19:13,416
industrial

1130
01:19:13,416 --> 01:19:16,375
vessels. And they

1131
01:19:16,375 --> 01:19:17,500
this is something

1132
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:18,583
for the future to

1133
01:19:18,583 --> 01:19:19,375
understand which

1134
01:19:19,375 --> 01:19:20,541
ones. So the

1135
01:19:20,541 --> 01:19:21,833
trade route. What

1136
01:19:21,833 --> 01:19:23,083
is the what makes

1137
01:19:23,083 --> 01:19:24,291
them valuable?

1138
01:19:24,958 --> 01:19:26,083
Which is it a

1139
01:19:26,083 --> 01:19:26,916
species? Is the

1140
01:19:26,916 --> 01:19:27,750
sizes of the

1141
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:28,708
thing? What is

1142
01:19:28,708 --> 01:19:29,583
going on there?

1143
01:19:29,583 --> 01:19:30,000
This is very

1144
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:30,458
important.

1145
01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:31,208
And why are they

1146
01:19:31,208 --> 01:19:32,666
discarding some

1147
01:19:32,666 --> 01:19:33,750
sharks that in

1148
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:34,833
other places that

1149
01:19:34,833 --> 01:19:35,291
are actually

1150
01:19:35,291 --> 01:19:36,666
valuable? Yeah,

1151
01:19:36,833 --> 01:19:37,333
this is my

1152
01:19:37,333 --> 01:19:38,208
question. Yeah,

1153
01:19:38,208 --> 01:19:39,000
interesting.

1154
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:40,166
Yeah. And how

1155
01:19:40,166 --> 01:19:41,458
many how many how

1156
01:19:41,458 --> 01:19:42,083
many papers are

1157
01:19:42,083 --> 01:19:42,541
you publishing

1158
01:19:42,541 --> 01:19:42,958
from your

1159
01:19:42,958 --> 01:19:43,791
thesis to?

1160
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:47,166
So I have all the

1161
01:19:47,166 --> 01:19:50,250
papers that to do

1162
01:19:50,250 --> 01:19:51,041
not with this

1163
01:19:51,041 --> 01:19:52,250
data, but about

1164
01:19:52,250 --> 01:19:53,500
concert. How can

1165
01:19:53,500 --> 01:19:55,750
I say informing

1166
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:57,583
policy in the

1167
01:19:57,583 --> 01:19:59,333
review of what

1168
01:19:59,333 --> 01:20:00,375
has been done in

1169
01:20:00,375 --> 01:20:00,875
terms of

1170
01:20:00,875 --> 01:20:01,500
legislation.

1171
01:20:02,500 --> 01:20:04,458
So but in

1172
01:20:04,458 --> 01:20:05,416
suggesting what

1173
01:20:05,416 --> 01:20:06,916
we can do in the

1174
01:20:06,916 --> 01:20:08,125
future based on

1175
01:20:08,125 --> 01:20:08,916
the data that I'm

1176
01:20:08,916 --> 01:20:10,208
creating. So in

1177
01:20:10,208 --> 01:20:11,000
total I have

1178
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,000
four. Okay. Okay.

1179
01:20:13,708 --> 01:20:14,583
Yeah. Nice. Nice.

1180
01:20:14,708 --> 01:20:15,208
And you're so.

1181
01:20:15,375 --> 01:20:16,333
Thank you.

1182
01:20:16,541 --> 01:20:17,791
And what. And so

1183
01:20:17,791 --> 01:20:18,500
with all this

1184
01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:19,000
work you're doing

1185
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:20,000
now is your your

1186
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:20,916
field party or

1187
01:20:20,916 --> 01:20:21,750
thesis pretty

1188
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:22,708
much done. You're

1189
01:20:22,708 --> 01:20:23,125
going to continue

1190
01:20:23,125 --> 01:20:23,708
working in the

1191
01:20:23,708 --> 01:20:24,458
field there. But

1192
01:20:24,458 --> 01:20:25,750
is your the data

1193
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:26,458
for your thesis

1194
01:20:26,458 --> 01:20:26,958
is pretty much

1195
01:20:26,958 --> 01:20:27,583
collected. Now

1196
01:20:27,583 --> 01:20:27,833
it's just

1197
01:20:27,833 --> 01:20:28,583
analyzing and

1198
01:20:28,583 --> 01:20:29,291
writing it up.

1199
01:20:29,833 --> 01:20:30,458
Is that what your

1200
01:20:30,458 --> 01:20:32,708
plans are? Yes.

1201
01:20:33,333 --> 01:20:34,250
And the next step

1202
01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:37,125
will be so it's

1203
01:20:37,125 --> 01:20:38,333
natural that the

1204
01:20:38,333 --> 01:20:39,083
project continues

1205
01:20:39,083 --> 01:20:39,583
because the

1206
01:20:39,583 --> 01:20:40,166
project is not

1207
01:20:40,166 --> 01:20:41,000
only research.

1208
01:20:41,791 --> 01:20:43,416
It's also about

1209
01:20:43,416 --> 01:20:44,791
conservation in

1210
01:20:44,791 --> 01:20:45,958
the sense of a

1211
01:20:45,958 --> 01:20:47,083
true impact in

1212
01:20:47,083 --> 01:20:49,333
the in the in the

1213
01:20:49,333 --> 01:20:50,375
field, which is

1214
01:20:50,375 --> 01:20:52,041
education. So

1215
01:20:52,041 --> 01:20:52,875
education

1216
01:20:52,875 --> 01:20:53,458
awareness

1217
01:20:53,458 --> 01:20:54,500
campaign. So I

1218
01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:55,333
need to be there.

1219
01:20:55,625 --> 01:20:56,666
And this is why

1220
01:20:56,666 --> 01:20:57,583
it was natural

1221
01:20:57,583 --> 01:20:59,750
for me to think

1222
01:20:59,750 --> 01:21:01,500
about moving

1223
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:02,375
there and

1224
01:21:02,375 --> 01:21:03,333
creating them and

1225
01:21:03,333 --> 01:21:03,750
go the last

1226
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:04,500
project up.

1227
01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:07,625
Yeah. So we will

1228
01:21:07,625 --> 01:21:08,166
continue to

1229
01:21:08,166 --> 01:21:08,958
collect the data.

1230
01:21:10,208 --> 01:21:11,916
We will continue

1231
01:21:11,916 --> 01:21:12,666
to do everything

1232
01:21:12,666 --> 01:21:13,375
that we are doing

1233
01:21:13,375 --> 01:21:14,250
till now. But it

1234
01:21:14,250 --> 01:21:15,333
will be bigger.

1235
01:21:15,708 --> 01:21:16,375
So we will try to

1236
01:21:16,375 --> 01:21:17,208
get more site

1237
01:21:17,208 --> 01:21:18,166
because we will

1238
01:21:18,166 --> 01:21:19,083
be I will be able

1239
01:21:19,083 --> 01:21:20,416
being there 24

1240
01:21:20,416 --> 01:21:21,291
seven. It's

1241
01:21:21,291 --> 01:21:21,583
really

1242
01:21:21,583 --> 01:21:22,458
changes things.

1243
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:23,208
We have to see

1244
01:21:23,208 --> 01:21:23,916
that I was there

1245
01:21:23,916 --> 01:21:24,750
a month and a

1246
01:21:24,750 --> 01:21:25,666
half or something

1247
01:21:25,666 --> 01:21:26,208
like that

1248
01:21:26,208 --> 01:21:26,875
sometimes two

1249
01:21:26,875 --> 01:21:27,833
months maximum

1250
01:21:27,833 --> 01:21:30,458
each each time,

1251
01:21:30,625 --> 01:21:31,625
which is when you

1252
01:21:31,625 --> 01:21:32,583
get the momentum

1253
01:21:32,583 --> 01:21:33,125
and then it's

1254
01:21:33,125 --> 01:21:33,625
taken away

1255
01:21:33,625 --> 01:21:34,291
because all the

1256
01:21:34,291 --> 01:21:35,166
contacts all the

1257
01:21:35,166 --> 01:21:36,500
meetings and then

1258
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:38,583
you go back to

1259
01:21:38,583 --> 01:21:39,625
Portugal or

1260
01:21:39,625 --> 01:21:40,125
elsewhere.

1261
01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:42,041
And then while

1262
01:21:42,041 --> 01:21:42,708
it's not very

1263
01:21:42,708 --> 01:21:43,916
famous for emails

1264
01:21:43,916 --> 01:21:45,166
or zoom calls or

1265
01:21:45,166 --> 01:21:45,958
no, you need to

1266
01:21:45,958 --> 01:21:46,833
be face to face

1267
01:21:46,833 --> 01:21:47,458
to people for

1268
01:21:47,458 --> 01:21:48,083
people for things

1269
01:21:48,083 --> 01:21:48,625
to material

1270
01:21:48,625 --> 01:21:50,291
materialize. And

1271
01:21:50,291 --> 01:21:51,416
this is why it

1272
01:21:51,416 --> 01:21:54,125
was for me a

1273
01:21:54,125 --> 01:21:55,041
natural choice to

1274
01:21:55,041 --> 01:21:56,000
to move there and

1275
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:56,708
to really push

1276
01:21:56,708 --> 01:21:57,333
for for the

1277
01:21:57,333 --> 01:21:57,916
project to move

1278
01:21:57,916 --> 01:21:58,125
forward.

1279
01:21:58,666 --> 01:22:00,083
Also, because the

1280
01:22:00,083 --> 01:22:00,916
government of

1281
01:22:00,916 --> 01:22:03,500
Angola is in

1282
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:04,000
conversations

1283
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,416
with me with the

1284
01:22:06,416 --> 01:22:08,916
project and is we

1285
01:22:08,916 --> 01:22:09,791
have an openness

1286
01:22:09,791 --> 01:22:11,416
in terms of

1287
01:22:11,416 --> 01:22:12,000
collaboration.

1288
01:22:12,875 --> 01:22:14,083
But again, I need

1289
01:22:14,083 --> 01:22:14,916
to be there. It

1290
01:22:14,916 --> 01:22:15,541
can't be done

1291
01:22:15,541 --> 01:22:16,416
from far away.

1292
01:22:17,958 --> 01:22:18,791
And yeah, so

1293
01:22:18,791 --> 01:22:20,291
right now, it's

1294
01:22:20,291 --> 01:22:21,083
just really

1295
01:22:21,083 --> 01:22:22,833
figuring out how

1296
01:22:22,833 --> 01:22:23,791
to do things

1297
01:22:23,791 --> 01:22:24,583
there are to

1298
01:22:24,583 --> 01:22:25,416
build it for

1299
01:22:25,416 --> 01:22:26,458
funding as well.

1300
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:27,333
I'm fighting for

1301
01:22:27,333 --> 01:22:29,125
funding. Yeah,

1302
01:22:29,208 --> 01:22:30,375
yeah. I apply for

1303
01:22:30,375 --> 01:22:30,666
a lot of

1304
01:22:30,666 --> 01:22:31,833
stuff now.

1305
01:22:32,041 --> 01:22:33,416
Well, with all of

1306
01:22:33,416 --> 01:22:34,333
that, how hard is

1307
01:22:34,333 --> 01:22:37,083
it to juggle the

1308
01:22:37,083 --> 01:22:39,375
PhD and and the

1309
01:22:39,375 --> 01:22:40,166
handcoat like the

1310
01:22:40,166 --> 01:22:40,875
shark project

1311
01:22:40,875 --> 01:22:41,333
that ain't go

1312
01:22:41,333 --> 01:22:42,666
like how how

1313
01:22:42,666 --> 01:22:43,166
different like

1314
01:22:43,166 --> 01:22:43,708
how much of a

1315
01:22:43,708 --> 01:22:44,541
challenge is that

1316
01:22:44,541 --> 01:22:45,250
because like I

1317
01:22:45,250 --> 01:22:46,083
feel like both of

1318
01:22:46,083 --> 01:22:47,791
those are full

1319
01:22:47,791 --> 01:22:48,916
time jobs plus a

1320
01:22:48,916 --> 01:22:50,208
half in it in and

1321
01:22:50,208 --> 01:22:50,458
of itself.

1322
01:22:50,500 --> 01:22:52,333
How do you how do

1323
01:22:52,333 --> 01:22:52,708
you juggle

1324
01:22:52,708 --> 01:22:53,375
between the two?

1325
01:22:53,375 --> 01:22:53,750
I know there's

1326
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:54,333
some overlap,

1327
01:22:54,333 --> 01:22:55,000
obviously, but

1328
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:55,583
how do you juggle

1329
01:22:55,583 --> 01:22:56,958
between the two?

1330
01:22:57,416 --> 01:22:58,958
Um, I have to

1331
01:22:58,958 --> 01:22:59,708
this was my

1332
01:22:59,708 --> 01:23:01,166
dream. Right?

1333
01:23:01,666 --> 01:23:03,583
Well, I have to I

1334
01:23:03,583 --> 01:23:05,541
enjoy doing it.

1335
01:23:05,541 --> 01:23:06,041
You know, if I

1336
01:23:06,041 --> 01:23:07,250
didn't if I was

1337
01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:08,250
forced to I

1338
01:23:08,250 --> 01:23:09,375
probably will not

1339
01:23:09,375 --> 01:23:10,000
be doing it

1340
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:10,625
because it really

1341
01:23:10,625 --> 01:23:11,375
takes a lot of my

1342
01:23:11,375 --> 01:23:12,458
time, my energy.

1343
01:23:12,500 --> 01:23:15,000
Right. From, you

1344
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:15,333
know, from

1345
01:23:15,333 --> 01:23:16,083
applying for

1346
01:23:16,083 --> 01:23:18,083
funding to having

1347
01:23:18,083 --> 01:23:19,458
to bombard people

1348
01:23:19,458 --> 01:23:20,333
from the

1349
01:23:20,333 --> 01:23:21,291
government from

1350
01:23:21,291 --> 01:23:22,208
universities,

1351
01:23:22,208 --> 01:23:23,375
from schools and

1352
01:23:23,375 --> 01:23:24,000
try to make

1353
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:24,958
things happen and

1354
01:23:24,958 --> 01:23:25,875
going after

1355
01:23:25,875 --> 01:23:27,166
people. It's just

1356
01:23:27,166 --> 01:23:28,166
insane and plan

1357
01:23:28,166 --> 01:23:29,458
and doing budgets

1358
01:23:29,458 --> 01:23:30,333
and planning

1359
01:23:30,333 --> 01:23:32,000
schedules and and

1360
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:32,458
talking with the volunteers, right?

1361
01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:35,250
Because I'm from

1362
01:23:35,250 --> 01:23:36,500
far away, I try

1363
01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:38,791
to make the our

1364
01:23:38,791 --> 01:23:41,000
schedule work. So

1365
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:41,916
in terms of we

1366
01:23:41,916 --> 01:23:43,041
have X

1367
01:23:43,041 --> 01:23:44,083
presentations per

1368
01:23:44,083 --> 01:23:44,958
month, we try to

1369
01:23:44,958 --> 01:23:45,791
do as much as we

1370
01:23:45,791 --> 01:23:46,500
can. But I also

1371
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:47,083
understand that

1372
01:23:47,083 --> 01:23:48,083
they also are

1373
01:23:48,083 --> 01:23:48,833
volunteering. So

1374
01:23:48,833 --> 01:23:50,291
I can't ask much

1375
01:23:50,291 --> 01:23:51,333
there because

1376
01:23:51,333 --> 01:23:52,583
it's I would say

1377
01:23:52,583 --> 01:23:53,041
that doing

1378
01:23:53,041 --> 01:23:53,708
volunteering in

1379
01:23:53,708 --> 01:23:54,375
Angola is not the

1380
01:23:54,375 --> 01:23:54,708
same as we

1381
01:23:54,708 --> 01:23:55,208
volunteer, for

1382
01:23:55,208 --> 01:23:55,458
example, in Europe.

1383
01:23:55,500 --> 01:23:58,250
These these

1384
01:23:58,250 --> 01:23:59,125
people have not

1385
01:23:59,125 --> 01:24:00,875
always easy

1386
01:24:00,875 --> 01:24:02,333
lives. And this

1387
01:24:02,333 --> 01:24:02,708
means that

1388
01:24:02,708 --> 01:24:03,166
they're really,

1389
01:24:03,166 --> 01:24:04,458
really are

1390
01:24:04,458 --> 01:24:05,125
putting their

1391
01:24:05,125 --> 01:24:06,166
efforts in the in

1392
01:24:06,166 --> 01:24:07,458
the in the

1393
01:24:07,458 --> 01:24:09,541
project. And we

1394
01:24:09,541 --> 01:24:11,541
do as as much as

1395
01:24:11,541 --> 01:24:12,833
we can, which is

1396
01:24:12,833 --> 01:24:14,208
a lot till now.

1397
01:24:14,833 --> 01:24:15,583
We do schools

1398
01:24:15,583 --> 01:24:16,250
presentations,

1399
01:24:16,958 --> 01:24:17,500
universities,

1400
01:24:18,250 --> 01:24:18,416
other

1401
01:24:18,416 --> 01:24:19,250
stakeholders, we

1402
01:24:19,250 --> 01:24:20,458
need corporate,

1403
01:24:20,458 --> 01:24:21,833
corporate even.

1404
01:24:22,583 --> 01:24:24,333
And then for me,

1405
01:24:24,541 --> 01:24:25,541
the what

1406
01:24:25,541 --> 01:24:26,833
sometimes can be

1407
01:24:26,833 --> 01:24:27,750
challenging is

1408
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:30,125
really to do the

1409
01:24:30,125 --> 01:24:31,333
follow up with

1410
01:24:31,333 --> 01:24:32,375
everything and

1411
01:24:32,375 --> 01:24:33,375
everyone because

1412
01:24:33,375 --> 01:24:34,541
I'm only one. And

1413
01:24:34,541 --> 01:24:35,000
we're talking

1414
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:35,541
about, for

1415
01:24:35,541 --> 01:24:36,583
example, we can

1416
01:24:36,583 --> 01:24:37,541
talk after you

1417
01:24:37,541 --> 01:24:38,416
already mentioned

1418
01:24:38,416 --> 01:24:39,125
about the

1419
01:24:39,125 --> 01:24:39,291
website.

1420
01:24:39,500 --> 01:24:40,125
So it's creating

1421
01:24:40,125 --> 01:24:41,416
a website, then I

1422
01:24:41,416 --> 01:24:42,541
don't know, email

1423
01:24:42,541 --> 01:24:43,333
someone from the

1424
01:24:43,333 --> 01:24:44,000
government, then

1425
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:44,791
have to write the

1426
01:24:44,791 --> 01:24:47,041
TZs and it's it's

1427
01:24:47,041 --> 01:24:48,000
it's a lot. It's

1428
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,000
a lot. But it's

1429
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:49,708
really worth it.

1430
01:24:49,958 --> 01:24:50,958
And this was

1431
01:24:50,958 --> 01:24:51,791
exactly what I

1432
01:24:51,791 --> 01:24:53,541
wanted. So for

1433
01:24:53,541 --> 01:24:55,333
me, it's a yeah,

1434
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,333
so I was there.

1435
01:24:57,500 --> 01:24:58,583
Yeah, so the

1436
01:24:58,583 --> 01:24:59,083
website is going

1437
01:24:59,083 --> 01:24:59,791
to basically your

1438
01:24:59,791 --> 01:25:00,375
greeting to the

1439
01:25:00,375 --> 01:25:00,875
world, like

1440
01:25:00,875 --> 01:25:01,666
people go and go

1441
01:25:01,666 --> 01:25:02,250
there and find

1442
01:25:02,250 --> 01:25:02,833
out about your

1443
01:25:02,833 --> 01:25:03,583
projects, they

1444
01:25:03,583 --> 01:25:04,541
can donate to

1445
01:25:04,541 --> 01:25:05,541
you, helping your

1446
01:25:05,541 --> 01:25:06,666
help in your

1447
01:25:06,666 --> 01:25:07,333
program and

1448
01:25:07,333 --> 01:25:09,000
stuff. And how is

1449
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:10,333
did you work? Did

1450
01:25:10,333 --> 01:25:11,000
you design and do

1451
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:11,291
that work

1452
01:25:11,291 --> 01:25:11,875
yourself? Or do

1453
01:25:11,875 --> 01:25:12,416
you have someone

1454
01:25:12,416 --> 01:25:12,875
help you with

1455
01:25:12,875 --> 01:25:13,708
that? Or?

1456
01:25:14,416 --> 01:25:14,958
I had someone

1457
01:25:14,958 --> 01:25:15,500
help me with

1458
01:25:15,500 --> 01:25:16,958
that. That was,

1459
01:25:17,291 --> 01:25:18,125
that was my

1460
01:25:18,125 --> 01:25:18,958
fiance that

1461
01:25:18,958 --> 01:25:19,458
helped me with that, to be fair.

1462
01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:22,000
Oh, yeah. Okay.

1463
01:25:22,291 --> 01:25:22,958
Yeah. So what?

1464
01:25:23,291 --> 01:25:23,916
Yeah, that brings

1465
01:25:23,916 --> 01:25:24,708
up another thing.

1466
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:25,958
Like now, I guess

1467
01:25:25,958 --> 01:25:26,375
we could talk

1468
01:25:26,375 --> 01:25:27,000
about, you know,

1469
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:27,708
you recently got

1470
01:25:27,708 --> 01:25:28,583
engaged.

1471
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:31,333
Yeah. And so, so

1472
01:25:31,333 --> 01:25:33,083
now this is gonna

1473
01:25:33,083 --> 01:25:33,791
be a whole other

1474
01:25:33,791 --> 01:25:36,208
level of, I don't

1475
01:25:36,208 --> 01:25:36,458
wanna say

1476
01:25:36,458 --> 01:25:37,333
challenges, but

1477
01:25:37,333 --> 01:25:39,500
we'll say, so is

1478
01:25:39,500 --> 01:25:40,375
he gonna, so is

1479
01:25:40,375 --> 01:25:41,083
he prepared to

1480
01:25:41,083 --> 01:25:41,458
move to Angola?

1481
01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:44,416
Yeah, he was

1482
01:25:44,416 --> 01:25:45,041
there the last

1483
01:25:45,041 --> 01:25:46,416
time with me. And

1484
01:25:46,416 --> 01:25:46,666
he was

1485
01:25:46,666 --> 01:25:48,000
photographing and

1486
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,041
helping even with

1487
01:25:50,041 --> 01:25:50,791
the measurements.

1488
01:25:51,166 --> 01:25:51,958
So I teach them

1489
01:25:51,958 --> 01:25:52,750
and he was it was

1490
01:25:52,750 --> 01:25:54,125
fine with it.

1491
01:25:54,666 --> 01:25:55,708
Used to be, it

1492
01:25:55,708 --> 01:25:56,500
wasn't a military

1493
01:25:56,500 --> 01:25:57,416
before. So he

1494
01:25:57,416 --> 01:25:58,458
used to this kind

1495
01:25:58,458 --> 01:25:59,166
of, I would say

1496
01:25:59,166 --> 01:26:01,333
different and

1497
01:26:01,333 --> 01:26:02,166
challenging

1498
01:26:02,166 --> 01:26:03,750
situation. So for

1499
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:04,625
him is not, he

1500
01:26:04,625 --> 01:26:05,541
likes that. He

1501
01:26:05,541 --> 01:26:06,083
likes to be

1502
01:26:06,083 --> 01:26:07,083
there. And he's

1503
01:26:07,083 --> 01:26:07,875
really excited to

1504
01:26:07,875 --> 01:26:09,125
go there for a

1505
01:26:09,125 --> 01:26:10,541
while. So

1506
01:26:10,541 --> 01:26:11,458
it was, yeah.

1507
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:12,375
So this is also

1508
01:26:12,375 --> 01:26:13,041
one of the

1509
01:26:13,041 --> 01:26:15,291
reasons that we

1510
01:26:15,291 --> 01:26:16,541
are getting

1511
01:26:16,541 --> 01:26:18,916
married is that

1512
01:26:18,916 --> 01:26:19,583
we are there

1513
01:26:19,583 --> 01:26:20,583
together as well.

1514
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:21,708
And because we

1515
01:26:21,708 --> 01:26:22,791
really, I will

1516
01:26:22,791 --> 01:26:24,375
say that Namib is

1517
01:26:24,375 --> 01:26:25,000
really, really

1518
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:25,833
far from a lot of

1519
01:26:25,833 --> 01:26:26,291
things. We're

1520
01:26:26,291 --> 01:26:27,041
really far away.

1521
01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:27,666
Yeah.

1522
01:26:28,791 --> 01:26:31,500
Oh, does he speak

1523
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:32,416
Portuguese? Does he speak?

1524
01:26:32,625 --> 01:26:35,666
Yeah, he does. So

1525
01:26:35,666 --> 01:26:37,666
yeah, perfect.

1526
01:26:38,166 --> 01:26:38,666
Yeah, we both

1527
01:26:38,666 --> 01:26:39,375
speak Portuguese

1528
01:26:39,375 --> 01:26:40,041
and they speak

1529
01:26:40,041 --> 01:26:40,750
Portuguese there.

1530
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:41,500
So we will be

1531
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:42,333
fine. Okay. Yeah,

1532
01:26:42,333 --> 01:26:42,958
is there one

1533
01:26:42,958 --> 01:26:43,916
already searching

1534
01:26:43,916 --> 01:26:44,583
for things for

1535
01:26:44,583 --> 01:26:45,541
the hub helping

1536
01:26:45,541 --> 01:26:46,666
me to see like,

1537
01:26:46,666 --> 01:26:47,500
yeah, rents for

1538
01:26:47,500 --> 01:26:48,666
houses and etc.

1539
01:26:48,666 --> 01:26:49,708
So he's really

1540
01:26:49,708 --> 01:26:50,958
been helping me.

1541
01:26:50,958 --> 01:26:51,958
So this is also

1542
01:26:51,958 --> 01:26:53,125
something that

1543
01:26:53,125 --> 01:26:55,833
has changed a bit

1544
01:26:55,833 --> 01:26:56,791
in the project

1545
01:26:56,791 --> 01:26:57,291
because it's

1546
01:26:57,291 --> 01:26:57,833
someone that is

1547
01:26:57,833 --> 01:26:58,625
really giving a

1548
01:26:58,625 --> 01:26:59,666
lot of this time

1549
01:26:59,666 --> 01:27:00,458
also to help me.

1550
01:27:00,500 --> 01:27:03,625
Help me to put

1551
01:27:03,625 --> 01:27:04,916
the strategy of

1552
01:27:04,916 --> 01:27:06,125
the project, not

1553
01:27:06,125 --> 01:27:06,666
the scientific

1554
01:27:06,666 --> 01:27:07,250
part of

1555
01:27:07,250 --> 01:27:07,750
education, but

1556
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:08,666
the strategy of

1557
01:27:08,666 --> 01:27:10,416
it or what is the

1558
01:27:10,416 --> 01:27:12,083
priority, what we

1559
01:27:12,083 --> 01:27:12,958
need here to

1560
01:27:12,958 --> 01:27:14,291
build a hub or

1561
01:27:14,291 --> 01:27:15,083
to, you know,

1562
01:27:15,791 --> 01:27:17,583
Yeah, well, I say

1563
01:27:17,583 --> 01:27:18,708
if he's if he's I

1564
01:27:18,708 --> 01:27:19,458
assume he's not

1565
01:27:19,458 --> 01:27:20,583
from Angola or

1566
01:27:20,583 --> 01:27:21,541
he's from Europe

1567
01:27:21,541 --> 01:27:22,583
somewhere. So

1568
01:27:22,583 --> 01:27:23,333
he's Portuguese.

1569
01:27:23,333 --> 01:27:23,791
He's Portuguese.

1570
01:27:24,083 --> 01:27:24,541
Yeah, he's

1571
01:27:24,541 --> 01:27:25,166
Portuguese. Okay.

1572
01:27:25,416 --> 01:27:26,375
So that's good.

1573
01:27:26,666 --> 01:27:27,708
But I mean, even

1574
01:27:27,708 --> 01:27:28,083
even he's

1575
01:27:28,083 --> 01:27:28,583
Portuguese. But

1576
01:27:28,583 --> 01:27:29,458
to move to

1577
01:27:29,458 --> 01:27:30,250
Africa,

1578
01:27:30,250 --> 01:27:30,625
especially

1579
01:27:30,625 --> 01:27:31,333
because I know

1580
01:27:31,333 --> 01:27:32,458
you're not going to be living.

1581
01:27:32,500 --> 01:27:34,000
I know enough

1582
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,333
about like some

1583
01:27:35,333 --> 01:27:35,500
of these

1584
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:36,041
countries, like

1585
01:27:36,041 --> 01:27:36,541
it's not going to

1586
01:27:36,541 --> 01:27:37,250
be like where you

1587
01:27:37,250 --> 01:27:37,791
live in now

1588
01:27:37,791 --> 01:27:38,291
living in

1589
01:27:38,291 --> 01:27:39,541
Portugal now or

1590
01:27:39,541 --> 01:27:40,125
someplace. It'd

1591
01:27:40,125 --> 01:27:40,500
be a little

1592
01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:41,666
challenging

1593
01:27:41,666 --> 01:27:42,250
getting things

1594
01:27:42,250 --> 01:27:42,833
set up and

1595
01:27:42,833 --> 01:27:43,250
especially

1596
01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:43,791
because you're

1597
01:27:43,791 --> 01:27:44,208
starting a whole

1598
01:27:44,208 --> 01:27:45,166
new organization

1599
01:27:45,166 --> 01:27:46,000
really, even

1600
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:46,458
though you've

1601
01:27:46,458 --> 01:27:46,916
kind of been

1602
01:27:46,916 --> 01:27:48,125
doing it.

1603
01:27:48,125 --> 01:27:49,625
That's a lot.

1604
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:51,791
Yeah. Oh, I know

1605
01:27:51,791 --> 01:27:52,250
what he's doing.

1606
01:27:52,750 --> 01:27:53,666
Well, that yeah,

1607
01:27:54,166 --> 01:27:55,125
he sure loves me.

1608
01:27:56,291 --> 01:27:57,458
I say must must

1609
01:27:57,458 --> 01:27:57,958
be loved.

1610
01:27:59,500 --> 01:28:01,333
I guess so you

1611
01:28:01,333 --> 01:28:01,791
guys getting

1612
01:28:01,791 --> 01:28:02,833
married in in

1613
01:28:02,833 --> 01:28:04,500
Portugal or in in

1614
01:28:04,500 --> 01:28:06,083
Angola? No, no,

1615
01:28:06,083 --> 01:28:06,500
no in Portugal,

1616
01:28:06,500 --> 01:28:07,166
but we don't have

1617
01:28:07,166 --> 01:28:08,708
a well a specific

1618
01:28:08,708 --> 01:28:10,333
date yet. We want

1619
01:28:10,333 --> 01:28:11,041
to I want to

1620
01:28:11,041 --> 01:28:11,750
start my PhD

1621
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:13,208
everything for

1622
01:28:13,208 --> 01:28:14,750
me. It's just I

1623
01:28:14,750 --> 01:28:16,208
never wanted to

1624
01:28:16,208 --> 01:28:17,041
get married to be

1625
01:28:17,041 --> 01:28:17,875
fair. It was

1626
01:28:17,875 --> 01:28:19,833
never my idea. I

1627
01:28:19,833 --> 01:28:20,625
was always more.

1628
01:28:20,625 --> 01:28:21,458
I don't know.

1629
01:28:21,708 --> 01:28:23,291
Work oriented.

1630
01:28:24,125 --> 01:28:24,916
And when

1631
01:28:24,916 --> 01:28:25,458
something that

1632
01:28:25,458 --> 01:28:26,375
naturally for me,

1633
01:28:26,375 --> 01:28:27,875
it was also not I

1634
01:28:27,875 --> 01:28:28,875
wanted I want now

1635
01:28:28,875 --> 01:28:29,375
but it's not

1636
01:28:29,375 --> 01:28:29,958
about the party

1637
01:28:29,958 --> 01:28:30,416
or anything. I

1638
01:28:30,416 --> 01:28:30,916
just want to be

1639
01:28:30,916 --> 01:28:32,125
with a person. I

1640
01:28:32,125 --> 01:28:32,666
didn't make sense

1641
01:28:32,666 --> 01:28:33,291
to go there with

1642
01:28:33,291 --> 01:28:34,208
him. And I think

1643
01:28:34,208 --> 01:28:35,625
it's it really

1644
01:28:35,625 --> 01:28:36,500
pushed it really

1645
01:28:36,500 --> 01:28:37,750
gives me the

1646
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:39,208
certainty that

1647
01:28:39,208 --> 01:28:40,458
things will be

1648
01:28:40,458 --> 01:28:42,125
good there. Like

1649
01:28:42,125 --> 01:28:42,791
I'm going to be

1650
01:28:42,791 --> 01:28:43,916
doing something

1651
01:28:43,916 --> 01:28:44,666
that I love

1652
01:28:44,666 --> 01:28:45,541
having someone

1653
01:28:45,541 --> 01:28:46,333
that I that is

1654
01:28:46,333 --> 01:28:47,166
supporting me and

1655
01:28:47,166 --> 01:28:48,500
helping me. And

1656
01:28:48,500 --> 01:28:49,833
while this is if

1657
01:28:49,833 --> 01:28:50,583
you if your mind

1658
01:28:50,583 --> 01:28:51,166
is well,

1659
01:28:51,666 --> 01:28:52,666
you're going to

1660
01:28:52,666 --> 01:28:53,583
have success in

1661
01:28:53,583 --> 01:28:54,125
what you're doing

1662
01:28:54,125 --> 01:28:54,875
in terms of what

1663
01:28:54,875 --> 01:28:56,250
you're feeling

1664
01:28:56,250 --> 01:28:57,333
fine. If you're

1665
01:28:57,333 --> 01:28:58,500
feeling lonely or

1666
01:28:58,500 --> 01:28:58,958
if you're feeling

1667
01:28:58,958 --> 01:28:59,708
not, you know,

1668
01:28:59,708 --> 01:29:00,416
like I could be

1669
01:29:00,416 --> 01:29:01,083
doing the work

1670
01:29:01,083 --> 01:29:01,708
there because but

1671
01:29:01,708 --> 01:29:02,541
moving there is

1672
01:29:02,541 --> 01:29:03,291
we're not talking

1673
01:29:03,291 --> 01:29:03,750
about, for

1674
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:04,583
example, one day,

1675
01:29:04,583 --> 01:29:05,083
which is a big

1676
01:29:05,083 --> 01:29:05,958
city. There's

1677
01:29:05,958 --> 01:29:06,708
nothing there.

1678
01:29:06,708 --> 01:29:07,333
You know, it's

1679
01:29:07,333 --> 01:29:08,583
the desert and a

1680
01:29:08,583 --> 01:29:10,083
small town few

1681
01:29:10,083 --> 01:29:11,583
people and that's

1682
01:29:11,583 --> 01:29:12,166
it and fisheries.

1683
01:29:12,500 --> 01:29:14,500
And so leaving

1684
01:29:14,500 --> 01:29:15,458
there and doing

1685
01:29:15,458 --> 01:29:16,125
this kind of

1686
01:29:16,125 --> 01:29:18,041
work, it's fun to

1687
01:29:18,041 --> 01:29:19,000
a certain limit.

1688
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,250
But because I

1689
01:29:20,250 --> 01:29:21,250
also understand

1690
01:29:21,250 --> 01:29:22,416
that I had my

1691
01:29:22,416 --> 01:29:22,833
whole life, I

1692
01:29:22,833 --> 01:29:23,250
never leave

1693
01:29:23,250 --> 01:29:24,416
there. So of

1694
01:29:24,416 --> 01:29:25,000
course, at some

1695
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:25,833
stage, it will be

1696
01:29:25,833 --> 01:29:26,083
a bit

1697
01:29:26,083 --> 01:29:27,166
challenging. But

1698
01:29:27,166 --> 01:29:28,416
I know that being

1699
01:29:28,416 --> 01:29:29,500
there with him,

1700
01:29:29,500 --> 01:29:30,500
we will manage to

1701
01:29:30,500 --> 01:29:30,958
go to this

1702
01:29:30,958 --> 01:29:31,375
challenge

1703
01:29:31,375 --> 01:29:32,083
together for

1704
01:29:32,083 --> 01:29:32,458
sure. Yeah.

1705
01:29:32,500 --> 01:29:33,916
Yeah. Well, I

1706
01:29:33,916 --> 01:29:34,666
guess it's got to

1707
01:29:34,666 --> 01:29:35,333
be loved for

1708
01:29:35,333 --> 01:29:37,541
that. I mean, you

1709
01:29:37,541 --> 01:29:38,166
know, well, it's

1710
01:29:38,166 --> 01:29:38,666
one thing for you

1711
01:29:38,666 --> 01:29:39,000
because you're

1712
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:39,541
doing that all

1713
01:29:39,541 --> 01:29:40,000
the time. You

1714
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,250
find somebody to

1715
01:29:41,250 --> 01:29:41,958
find somebody

1716
01:29:41,958 --> 01:29:42,625
that's willing to

1717
01:29:42,625 --> 01:29:44,041
do that. That's

1718
01:29:44,041 --> 01:29:45,916
that's that's

1719
01:29:45,916 --> 01:29:46,750
what's got to be

1720
01:29:46,750 --> 01:29:48,000
got to be got to

1721
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:48,291
be loved.

1722
01:29:48,708 --> 01:29:49,333
So you haven't

1723
01:29:49,333 --> 01:29:50,125
set a wedding day

1724
01:29:50,125 --> 01:29:50,875
yet that you've

1725
01:29:50,875 --> 01:29:51,458
got a few things

1726
01:29:51,458 --> 01:29:51,833
you want to

1727
01:29:51,833 --> 01:29:52,916
finish up. Yeah.

1728
01:29:53,416 --> 01:29:54,375
Yeah. OK. And

1729
01:29:54,375 --> 01:29:55,291
well, I have to

1730
01:29:55,291 --> 01:29:56,083
ask you, well,

1731
01:29:56,083 --> 01:29:56,416
Andrew and I

1732
01:29:56,416 --> 01:29:56,833
expect an

1733
01:29:56,833 --> 01:29:58,791
invitation. Well,

1734
01:29:58,791 --> 01:29:59,458
I hope so.

1735
01:29:59,500 --> 01:30:01,208
Well, maybe you

1736
01:30:01,208 --> 01:30:03,333
do a pod a live

1737
01:30:03,333 --> 01:30:04,500
podcast from the

1738
01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:07,958
reception. We can

1739
01:30:07,958 --> 01:30:08,208
have your

1740
01:30:08,208 --> 01:30:09,208
relatives come on

1741
01:30:09,208 --> 01:30:10,291
and tell us about

1742
01:30:10,291 --> 01:30:11,958
your siblings and

1743
01:30:11,958 --> 01:30:12,750
every other your

1744
01:30:12,750 --> 01:30:14,375
mom. How does

1745
01:30:14,375 --> 01:30:15,083
your family feel

1746
01:30:15,083 --> 01:30:15,916
about you all

1747
01:30:15,916 --> 01:30:17,458
moving to Angola?

1748
01:30:17,500 --> 01:30:19,375
My mom is so my

1749
01:30:19,375 --> 01:30:20,416
dad is not alive,

1750
01:30:20,416 --> 01:30:21,375
but my mom says

1751
01:30:21,375 --> 01:30:22,291
she's really the

1752
01:30:22,291 --> 01:30:23,166
involved. And

1753
01:30:23,166 --> 01:30:24,625
she's like, you

1754
01:30:24,625 --> 01:30:25,125
never leave

1755
01:30:25,125 --> 01:30:26,333
there. You know,

1756
01:30:26,333 --> 01:30:27,333
it's not like the

1757
01:30:27,333 --> 01:30:28,291
like when you go

1758
01:30:28,291 --> 01:30:29,166
like doing your

1759
01:30:29,166 --> 01:30:30,041
work or a

1760
01:30:30,041 --> 01:30:31,541
holiday. It's

1761
01:30:31,541 --> 01:30:32,541
real. And I'm

1762
01:30:32,541 --> 01:30:33,166
like, yeah, but I

1763
01:30:33,166 --> 01:30:34,208
know you never

1764
01:30:34,208 --> 01:30:34,916
been to the meet.

1765
01:30:35,208 --> 01:30:35,916
You lived a whole

1766
01:30:35,916 --> 01:30:36,500
life in the one

1767
01:30:36,500 --> 01:30:36,958
that it's

1768
01:30:36,958 --> 01:30:37,458
different. You're

1769
01:30:37,458 --> 01:30:38,250
a city girl there

1770
01:30:38,250 --> 01:30:38,458
in Angola.

1771
01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:40,375
So I know I know

1772
01:30:40,375 --> 01:30:41,708
that it's I'm

1773
01:30:41,708 --> 01:30:42,375
ready for it, but

1774
01:30:42,375 --> 01:30:43,125
they were a bit.

1775
01:30:43,500 --> 01:30:45,208
But once I said

1776
01:30:45,208 --> 01:30:46,000
we were going to

1777
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:47,041
go together, my

1778
01:30:47,041 --> 01:30:47,791
mom was like, OK,

1779
01:30:47,791 --> 01:30:48,500
then you can go.

1780
01:30:48,875 --> 01:30:49,375
Yeah, it's like

1781
01:30:49,375 --> 01:30:49,875
you're going with

1782
01:30:49,875 --> 01:30:50,500
him. Then you

1783
01:30:50,500 --> 01:30:51,666
could go. She's

1784
01:30:51,666 --> 01:30:52,166
scared, of

1785
01:30:52,166 --> 01:30:52,791
course. She's

1786
01:30:52,791 --> 01:30:53,875
scared. Yeah,

1787
01:30:53,958 --> 01:30:55,208
it's normal. But

1788
01:30:55,208 --> 01:30:56,291
I've been there

1789
01:30:56,291 --> 01:30:56,458
so many times.

1790
01:30:56,500 --> 01:30:56,583
I'm not saying to

1791
01:30:56,583 --> 01:30:57,083
go to anywhere to

1792
01:30:57,083 --> 01:30:57,666
go to anywhere

1793
01:30:57,666 --> 01:30:58,458
like to live

1794
01:30:58,458 --> 01:30:59,208
somewhere else.

1795
01:30:59,208 --> 01:30:59,458
You know, you

1796
01:30:59,458 --> 01:31:00,000
want your

1797
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:01,291
daughter to be

1798
01:31:01,291 --> 01:31:02,375
safe. I have two

1799
01:31:02,375 --> 01:31:03,208
young daughters

1800
01:31:03,208 --> 01:31:04,041
or like they're

1801
01:31:04,041 --> 01:31:04,583
older now, I

1802
01:31:04,583 --> 01:31:05,083
guess teenagers.

1803
01:31:05,416 --> 01:31:06,750
But yeah, you

1804
01:31:06,750 --> 01:31:07,250
always want them

1805
01:31:07,250 --> 01:31:07,708
to be safe

1806
01:31:07,708 --> 01:31:08,416
wherever they go.

1807
01:31:08,833 --> 01:31:09,291
Having somebody

1808
01:31:09,291 --> 01:31:09,875
with them,

1809
01:31:09,875 --> 01:31:10,458
whoever that

1810
01:31:10,458 --> 01:31:11,083
might be is

1811
01:31:11,083 --> 01:31:11,958
always is always

1812
01:31:11,958 --> 01:31:12,666
great. It's a

1813
01:31:12,666 --> 01:31:13,375
little bit more

1814
01:31:13,375 --> 01:31:15,041
reassuring to

1815
01:31:15,041 --> 01:31:15,750
make sure in any

1816
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:16,291
place. Right?

1817
01:31:16,291 --> 01:31:16,791
Because it's new.

1818
01:31:17,083 --> 01:31:17,583
There's a lot

1819
01:31:17,583 --> 01:31:18,250
more challenges

1820
01:31:18,250 --> 01:31:19,083
than just safety

1821
01:31:19,083 --> 01:31:20,375
to go ahead and

1822
01:31:20,375 --> 01:31:20,958
just getting used

1823
01:31:20,958 --> 01:31:22,291
to a new culture,

1824
01:31:22,583 --> 01:31:23,041
a new place.

1825
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:25,208
Yeah, it's

1826
01:31:25,208 --> 01:31:26,958
definitely it's

1827
01:31:26,958 --> 01:31:27,333
definitely good

1828
01:31:27,333 --> 01:31:28,000
to have a partner

1829
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:29,375
to go to go with.

1830
01:31:29,375 --> 01:31:29,958
Yeah, that would

1831
01:31:29,958 --> 01:31:31,000
be nice. Yeah,

1832
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:32,958
you still have

1833
01:31:32,958 --> 01:31:33,708
relatives there,

1834
01:31:33,708 --> 01:31:34,333
don't you? So

1835
01:31:34,333 --> 01:31:35,625
family? I do. I

1836
01:31:35,625 --> 01:31:36,958
do. And Wanda. I

1837
01:31:36,958 --> 01:31:37,750
do. I have some

1838
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:39,000
cousins there and

1839
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:40,375
one or two

1840
01:31:40,375 --> 01:31:41,500
aunties and

1841
01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:42,458
uncles. Yeah.

1842
01:31:42,500 --> 01:31:44,000
But has your

1843
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:44,666
yeah, has your

1844
01:31:44,666 --> 01:31:45,333
mom been back?

1845
01:31:45,541 --> 01:31:46,083
Has your mom been

1846
01:31:46,083 --> 01:31:48,083
back at all? She

1847
01:31:48,083 --> 01:31:50,083
she did but but

1848
01:31:50,083 --> 01:31:51,500
once since she

1849
01:31:51,500 --> 01:31:52,750
left so for her

1850
01:31:52,750 --> 01:31:53,958
was very, very

1851
01:31:53,958 --> 01:31:54,916
challenging,

1852
01:31:55,541 --> 01:31:57,000
leaving the whole

1853
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:58,166
life. So she left

1854
01:31:58,166 --> 01:31:59,041
with my two

1855
01:31:59,041 --> 01:32:00,208
sisters and my

1856
01:32:00,208 --> 01:32:01,833
dad and they even

1857
01:32:01,833 --> 01:32:02,541
moved them to

1858
01:32:02,541 --> 01:32:03,791
Brazil. They went

1859
01:32:03,791 --> 01:32:05,125
to the

1860
01:32:05,125 --> 01:32:05,916
Netherlands and

1861
01:32:05,916 --> 01:32:06,791
then everyone was

1862
01:32:06,791 --> 01:32:08,458
sitting here.

1863
01:32:08,500 --> 01:32:09,541
So I'm in

1864
01:32:09,541 --> 01:32:10,083
Portugal right

1865
01:32:10,083 --> 01:32:10,833
now. So they were

1866
01:32:10,833 --> 01:32:11,208
coming to

1867
01:32:11,208 --> 01:32:11,833
Portugal. So they

1868
01:32:11,833 --> 01:32:12,375
decide because

1869
01:32:12,375 --> 01:32:13,666
the family was

1870
01:32:13,666 --> 01:32:14,166
leaving Angola

1871
01:32:14,166 --> 01:32:15,583
because of the

1872
01:32:15,583 --> 01:32:16,833
civil war. And

1873
01:32:16,833 --> 01:32:17,291
everyone was

1874
01:32:17,291 --> 01:32:17,916
gathering here.

1875
01:32:18,125 --> 01:32:18,750
So it was natural

1876
01:32:18,750 --> 01:32:19,875
that okay, to

1877
01:32:19,875 --> 01:32:21,291
make our family

1878
01:32:21,291 --> 01:32:22,708
happen here. But

1879
01:32:22,708 --> 01:32:23,250
it was very

1880
01:32:23,250 --> 01:32:24,583
tough. They lost

1881
01:32:24,583 --> 01:32:26,000
everything. She

1882
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:26,750
managed to

1883
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:27,666
continue to work.

1884
01:32:27,666 --> 01:32:28,416
So she was a

1885
01:32:28,416 --> 01:32:28,958
researcher as

1886
01:32:28,958 --> 01:32:29,833
well. We're in

1887
01:32:29,833 --> 01:32:30,166
the medical

1888
01:32:30,166 --> 01:32:30,458
field. Yeah.

1889
01:32:30,500 --> 01:32:32,833
Yeah, but she

1890
01:32:32,833 --> 01:32:34,166
managed to get

1891
01:32:34,166 --> 01:32:35,625
back in her feet

1892
01:32:35,625 --> 01:32:36,458
and to do her

1893
01:32:36,458 --> 01:32:37,291
work again. She

1894
01:32:37,291 --> 01:32:37,833
was in the

1895
01:32:37,833 --> 01:32:38,875
university doing

1896
01:32:38,875 --> 01:32:40,208
research. But in

1897
01:32:40,208 --> 01:32:40,583
the beginning,

1898
01:32:40,791 --> 01:32:43,625
she was working

1899
01:32:43,625 --> 01:32:46,041
in a book. Yeah,

1900
01:32:46,041 --> 01:32:47,583
yeah. So no

1901
01:32:47,583 --> 01:32:48,458
papers. Nothing

1902
01:32:48,458 --> 01:32:50,000
was crazy. I know

1903
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:51,333
nothing just with

1904
01:32:51,333 --> 01:32:52,916
a suitcase in

1905
01:32:52,916 --> 01:32:53,583
your hand and two

1906
01:32:53,583 --> 01:32:54,583
kids. It was

1907
01:32:54,583 --> 01:32:55,500
insane. But I

1908
01:32:55,500 --> 01:32:56,083
always had this

1909
01:32:56,083 --> 01:32:56,708
thing about

1910
01:32:56,708 --> 01:32:57,708
Angola, all the

1911
01:32:57,708 --> 01:32:58,791
stories and the

1912
01:32:58,791 --> 01:33:00,000
people. And I see

1913
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:00,166
the

1914
01:33:00,166 --> 01:33:00,458
photos of her.

1915
01:33:00,500 --> 01:33:02,333
So in terms of

1916
01:33:02,333 --> 01:33:03,375
one thing that

1917
01:33:03,375 --> 01:33:04,583
really pushed me

1918
01:33:04,583 --> 01:33:05,250
to do something

1919
01:33:05,250 --> 01:33:06,958
there was the in

1920
01:33:06,958 --> 01:33:07,333
terms of

1921
01:33:07,333 --> 01:33:08,250
biodiversity

1922
01:33:08,250 --> 01:33:09,500
there, even

1923
01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:13,250
talking about in

1924
01:33:13,250 --> 01:33:14,875
the land side of

1925
01:33:14,875 --> 01:33:16,291
you had lions,

1926
01:33:16,291 --> 01:33:16,458
you have

1927
01:33:16,458 --> 01:33:17,208
elephants, you

1928
01:33:17,208 --> 01:33:17,791
had everything

1929
01:33:17,791 --> 01:33:18,916
there. And during

1930
01:33:18,916 --> 01:33:19,500
the civil war,

1931
01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:19,916
there was a lot

1932
01:33:19,916 --> 01:33:20,208
of people

1933
01:33:20,208 --> 01:33:21,875
hunting. And they

1934
01:33:21,875 --> 01:33:22,625
wiped out the

1935
01:33:22,625 --> 01:33:23,500
whole

1936
01:33:23,500 --> 01:33:25,458
ecosystem there.

1937
01:33:25,500 --> 01:33:28,500
Marine one also,

1938
01:33:28,958 --> 01:33:29,375
because we had

1939
01:33:29,375 --> 01:33:30,500
all these like

1940
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:31,416
foreign vessels

1941
01:33:31,416 --> 01:33:34,625
doing like big

1942
01:33:34,625 --> 01:33:35,500
fishing, like the

1943
01:33:35,500 --> 01:33:36,375
trolling, etc.

1944
01:33:36,625 --> 01:33:37,666
Like not even

1945
01:33:37,666 --> 01:33:38,125
talking only

1946
01:33:38,125 --> 01:33:38,833
about sharks and

1947
01:33:38,833 --> 01:33:39,458
rays, talking

1948
01:33:39,458 --> 01:33:40,208
about everything,

1949
01:33:41,083 --> 01:33:43,500
like doing, like

1950
01:33:43,500 --> 01:33:44,750
even taking away

1951
01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:45,458
like coral and everything.

1952
01:33:45,500 --> 01:33:47,416
One of the my mom

1953
01:33:47,416 --> 01:33:48,750
says one of her

1954
01:33:48,750 --> 01:33:49,750
memories is that

1955
01:33:49,750 --> 01:33:51,625
the beach that

1956
01:33:51,625 --> 01:33:52,583
they used to go,

1957
01:33:52,583 --> 01:33:53,375
she was laying

1958
01:33:53,375 --> 01:33:55,875
down like under

1959
01:33:55,875 --> 01:33:56,750
water, like in

1960
01:33:56,750 --> 01:33:58,416
the sand. And she

1961
01:33:58,416 --> 01:34:00,333
will seek little

1962
01:34:00,333 --> 01:34:01,625
hammerheads. And

1963
01:34:01,625 --> 01:34:02,083
she's like, Oh,

1964
01:34:02,083 --> 01:34:02,625
those ones were

1965
01:34:02,625 --> 01:34:03,166
fine. They will

1966
01:34:03,166 --> 01:34:03,875
not bite you. I

1967
01:34:03,875 --> 01:34:04,625
was like, you

1968
01:34:04,625 --> 01:34:05,083
guys are not

1969
01:34:05,083 --> 01:34:05,708
afraid. It's

1970
01:34:05,708 --> 01:34:06,375
like, no, no, no,

1971
01:34:06,375 --> 01:34:07,375
we knew the small

1972
01:34:07,375 --> 01:34:08,083
ones were fine.

1973
01:34:08,083 --> 01:34:08,666
But the big ones,

1974
01:34:08,666 --> 01:34:09,208
we had to leave

1975
01:34:09,208 --> 01:34:09,458
the water. You never know.

1976
01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:13,750
But she said she

1977
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:15,250
was like, she was

1978
01:34:15,250 --> 01:34:15,666
like, Oh, but

1979
01:34:15,666 --> 01:34:16,666
they only like to

1980
01:34:16,666 --> 01:34:17,333
to eat the

1981
01:34:17,333 --> 01:34:18,250
military because

1982
01:34:18,250 --> 01:34:18,791
there was the

1983
01:34:18,791 --> 01:34:19,083
mercenaries.

1984
01:34:19,083 --> 01:34:20,041
She's like, I

1985
01:34:20,041 --> 01:34:20,500
didn't eat

1986
01:34:20,500 --> 01:34:21,041
mercenaries

1987
01:34:21,041 --> 01:34:21,666
because there's

1988
01:34:21,666 --> 01:34:22,291
always someone.

1989
01:34:22,958 --> 01:34:23,625
Yeah, it was

1990
01:34:23,625 --> 01:34:24,958
like, they don't

1991
01:34:24,958 --> 01:34:25,583
eat the locals.

1992
01:34:25,791 --> 01:34:26,166
It's like the

1993
01:34:26,166 --> 01:34:26,750
mercenaries they

1994
01:34:26,750 --> 01:34:27,500
deserve. And I

1995
01:34:27,500 --> 01:34:28,000
was like, Oh,

1996
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:28,541
mom, you can't

1997
01:34:28,541 --> 01:34:29,000
say that.

1998
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:29,250
And she's

1999
01:34:29,250 --> 01:34:29,750
like, yeah.

2000
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:32,458
Yeah. Yeah.

2001
01:34:32,708 --> 01:34:32,916
Yeah.

2002
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:33,791
Yeah.

2003
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:35,500
What, what, what

2004
01:34:35,500 --> 01:34:36,416
I've just curious

2005
01:34:36,416 --> 01:34:37,083
because of my own

2006
01:34:37,083 --> 01:34:37,958
connections from

2007
01:34:37,958 --> 01:34:38,458
in Southern

2008
01:34:38,458 --> 01:34:39,000
Africa, what year

2009
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:39,416
did your mom

2010
01:34:39,416 --> 01:34:40,458
leave? Did they

2011
01:34:40,458 --> 01:34:41,083
leave South?

2012
01:34:41,333 --> 01:34:42,083
They stayed there

2013
01:34:42,083 --> 01:34:43,458
long. She, I

2014
01:34:43,458 --> 01:34:43,791
think it

2015
01:34:43,791 --> 01:34:45,791
was 87. Yeah.

2016
01:34:46,250 --> 01:34:46,458
87.

2017
01:34:46,791 --> 01:34:47,541
Because the war

2018
01:34:47,541 --> 01:34:49,083
started in 75. So

2019
01:34:49,083 --> 01:34:50,458
it was almost 11

2020
01:34:50,458 --> 01:34:51,500
years. So yeah,

2021
01:34:52,125 --> 01:34:52,458
11 years.

2022
01:34:53,500 --> 01:34:55,750
Yeah. And you had

2023
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:56,916
to, you still had

2024
01:34:56,916 --> 01:34:58,291
before the Civil

2025
01:34:58,291 --> 01:34:59,041
War, you were

2026
01:34:59,041 --> 01:35:00,000
the, but this was

2027
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,000
not in the area

2028
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:01,458
that they were

2029
01:35:01,458 --> 01:35:02,000
living, which was

2030
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:02,541
the capital,

2031
01:35:03,375 --> 01:35:04,625
because it was a

2032
01:35:04,625 --> 01:35:04,916
Portuguese.

2033
01:35:05,916 --> 01:35:06,750
So Angola used to

2034
01:35:06,750 --> 01:35:07,291
be a Portuguese

2035
01:35:07,291 --> 01:35:08,583
colony. And

2036
01:35:08,583 --> 01:35:11,083
before the

2037
01:35:11,083 --> 01:35:12,333
revolution here

2038
01:35:12,333 --> 01:35:13,083
in Portugal, this

2039
01:35:13,083 --> 01:35:14,041
is why the troops

2040
01:35:14,041 --> 01:35:15,125
left. There was

2041
01:35:15,125 --> 01:35:15,916
already fights

2042
01:35:15,916 --> 01:35:17,333
with the

2043
01:35:17,333 --> 01:35:18,166
guerrillas from

2044
01:35:18,166 --> 01:35:19,333
Angola. So they

2045
01:35:19,333 --> 01:35:19,750
wanted the

2046
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:20,583
independence and

2047
01:35:20,583 --> 01:35:20,833
they were

2048
01:35:20,833 --> 01:35:21,375
fighting against

2049
01:35:21,375 --> 01:35:21,750
the Portuguese.

2050
01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:22,875
And it was always

2051
01:35:22,875 --> 01:35:23,583
worse since I

2052
01:35:23,583 --> 01:35:24,625
was, since the

2053
01:35:24,625 --> 01:35:25,208
beginning of the

2054
01:35:25,208 --> 01:35:27,125
sixties. Yeah. It

2055
01:35:27,125 --> 01:35:28,541
was crazy. Yeah.

2056
01:35:28,750 --> 01:35:29,958
Yeah. It's, and I

2057
01:35:29,958 --> 01:35:30,500
think all over

2058
01:35:30,500 --> 01:35:31,583
Africa, it's,

2059
01:35:31,583 --> 01:35:32,541
it's really sad.

2060
01:35:32,541 --> 01:35:33,291
It's an amazing

2061
01:35:33,291 --> 01:35:35,083
continent. Yeah.

2062
01:35:35,458 --> 01:35:36,458
Yeah. And the

2063
01:35:36,458 --> 01:35:37,250
Civil War didn't

2064
01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:37,791
finish until

2065
01:35:37,791 --> 01:35:39,208
2002, like on and

2066
01:35:39,208 --> 01:35:40,208
off. Is that, is

2067
01:35:40,208 --> 01:35:40,583
that correct?

2068
01:35:41,625 --> 01:35:41,833
Correct.

2069
01:35:41,958 --> 01:35:42,625
So they're not

2070
01:35:42,625 --> 01:35:43,583
long out of a

2071
01:35:43,583 --> 01:35:44,333
civil war. That's

2072
01:35:44,333 --> 01:35:44,916
a long,

2073
01:35:45,166 --> 01:35:46,666
long war. Wow.

2074
01:35:47,500 --> 01:35:48,916
I, I, I told the

2075
01:35:48,916 --> 01:35:49,375
story when I

2076
01:35:49,375 --> 01:35:50,000
first time and

2077
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:50,666
I've, you and I

2078
01:35:50,666 --> 01:35:51,166
have talked

2079
01:35:51,166 --> 01:35:52,666
separately about

2080
01:35:52,666 --> 01:35:54,375
this when I, I

2081
01:35:54,375 --> 01:35:55,000
went into Namibia

2082
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:55,708
the first time in

2083
01:35:55,708 --> 01:35:56,750
87, we went all

2084
01:35:56,750 --> 01:35:57,250
the way up to

2085
01:35:57,250 --> 01:35:58,083
skeleton coast up

2086
01:35:58,083 --> 01:35:59,000
through, up

2087
01:35:59,000 --> 01:35:59,416
towards the

2088
01:35:59,416 --> 01:36:00,083
Caprivi and all

2089
01:36:00,083 --> 01:36:00,500
that area.

2090
01:36:00,500 --> 01:36:02,250
And it was land

2091
01:36:02,250 --> 01:36:03,625
mines and you got

2092
01:36:03,625 --> 01:36:04,375
elephants, you

2093
01:36:04,375 --> 01:36:05,083
got lions, you

2094
01:36:05,083 --> 01:36:05,541
got all, and then

2095
01:36:05,541 --> 01:36:06,000
they tell you

2096
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:06,416
like, oh yeah,

2097
01:36:06,416 --> 01:36:06,958
it's land mine

2098
01:36:06,958 --> 01:36:07,625
season. You're

2099
01:36:07,625 --> 01:36:08,041
like, what the

2100
01:36:08,041 --> 01:36:08,458
hell, land mines.

2101
01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:10,916
And, uh, you

2102
01:36:10,916 --> 01:36:11,416
know, trying to

2103
01:36:11,416 --> 01:36:12,083
get up, I was

2104
01:36:12,083 --> 01:36:12,875
trying to kind of

2105
01:36:12,875 --> 01:36:13,416
like, you know,

2106
01:36:13,416 --> 01:36:14,083
surveying all the

2107
01:36:14,083 --> 01:36:14,833
way up. I could,

2108
01:36:15,541 --> 01:36:15,958
so I'm kind of

2109
01:36:15,958 --> 01:36:16,458
fascinated with

2110
01:36:16,458 --> 01:36:17,166
your stuff now.

2111
01:36:17,166 --> 01:36:17,708
Cause you're,

2112
01:36:17,708 --> 01:36:18,125
you're in that

2113
01:36:18,125 --> 01:36:18,875
Southern Angola

2114
01:36:18,875 --> 01:36:19,500
area that I know

2115
01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:20,208
was never able to

2116
01:36:20,208 --> 01:36:21,291
get into because

2117
01:36:21,291 --> 01:36:22,375
of the civil war

2118
01:36:22,375 --> 01:36:23,166
to see

2119
01:36:23,166 --> 01:36:23,666
what occurs.

2120
01:36:23,666 --> 01:36:24,291
How many of those

2121
01:36:24,291 --> 01:36:24,916
things go all the

2122
01:36:24,916 --> 01:36:25,375
way up into

2123
01:36:25,375 --> 01:36:27,458
Angola. So I got,

2124
01:36:27,708 --> 01:36:28,083
in fact, I just

2125
01:36:28,083 --> 01:36:28,791
saw you had it.

2126
01:36:28,791 --> 01:36:29,291
You posted a

2127
01:36:29,291 --> 01:36:29,750
seven gills

2128
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:30,333
shark, I think

2129
01:36:30,333 --> 01:36:31,416
recently on your,

2130
01:36:31,416 --> 01:36:32,833
on your thing,

2131
01:36:32,833 --> 01:36:33,416
which I was

2132
01:36:33,416 --> 01:36:34,208
really happy to

2133
01:36:34,208 --> 01:36:34,916
see. Well, I

2134
01:36:34,916 --> 01:36:35,458
wasn't happy to

2135
01:36:35,458 --> 01:36:36,000
see it was dead,

2136
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:36,500
but I was kind of

2137
01:36:36,500 --> 01:36:37,125
happy to see that

2138
01:36:37,125 --> 01:36:37,458
they get up.

2139
01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:39,916
Well, we will be

2140
01:36:39,916 --> 01:36:41,000
waiting for your

2141
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:42,958
visit then. We

2142
01:36:42,958 --> 01:36:44,083
set up the hub.

2143
01:36:45,208 --> 01:36:46,208
One of the

2144
01:36:46,208 --> 01:36:48,166
objectives of it,

2145
01:36:48,166 --> 01:36:48,708
like the goals

2146
01:36:48,708 --> 01:36:49,625
will be to

2147
01:36:49,625 --> 01:36:50,916
actually generate

2148
01:36:50,916 --> 01:36:52,500
some that we are

2149
01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:53,083
self sufficient

2150
01:36:53,083 --> 01:36:54,041
because I'm

2151
01:36:54,041 --> 01:36:55,166
always counting

2152
01:36:55,166 --> 01:36:58,125
on funding from

2153
01:36:58,125 --> 01:36:59,500
NGOs or the

2154
01:36:59,500 --> 01:37:00,458
foundations, etc.

2155
01:37:00,500 --> 01:37:02,125
But since this is

2156
01:37:02,125 --> 01:37:02,916
not a PhD

2157
01:37:02,916 --> 01:37:03,958
anymore, and this

2158
01:37:03,958 --> 01:37:04,666
is going to be my

2159
01:37:04,666 --> 01:37:06,458
work, I need to

2160
01:37:06,458 --> 01:37:07,375
also think in

2161
01:37:07,375 --> 01:37:08,541
other ways of

2162
01:37:08,541 --> 01:37:11,916
promoted and to

2163
01:37:11,916 --> 01:37:13,541
sustain myself

2164
01:37:13,541 --> 01:37:14,041
and the

2165
01:37:14,041 --> 01:37:14,833
volunteers, which

2166
01:37:14,833 --> 01:37:15,458
will not be

2167
01:37:15,458 --> 01:37:15,916
volunteers.

2168
01:37:15,916 --> 01:37:16,583
At least the

2169
01:37:16,583 --> 01:37:17,583
smaller group,

2170
01:37:17,583 --> 01:37:18,041
which is in the

2171
01:37:18,041 --> 01:37:18,791
website, all the

2172
01:37:18,791 --> 01:37:19,416
team is there.

2173
01:37:19,416 --> 01:37:19,833
Well, they

2174
01:37:19,833 --> 01:37:20,625
deserve to be

2175
01:37:20,625 --> 01:37:21,833
paid as well. And

2176
01:37:21,833 --> 01:37:22,708
I do want to give

2177
01:37:22,708 --> 01:37:23,791
them, give them

2178
01:37:23,791 --> 01:37:25,500
also a job. So

2179
01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:26,333
for me and for

2180
01:37:26,333 --> 01:37:28,000
them. And we will

2181
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:29,333
like to develop

2182
01:37:29,333 --> 01:37:29,458
some sort of effort.

2183
01:37:29,500 --> 01:37:30,208
We will like to develop some sort

2184
01:37:30,208 --> 01:37:31,125
of echo tourism.

2185
01:37:31,375 --> 01:37:32,166
So Angola is

2186
01:37:32,166 --> 01:37:33,041
opening borders

2187
01:37:33,041 --> 01:37:35,000
to more than 50

2188
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:35,750
countries, no

2189
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:36,833
visa. So they're

2190
01:37:36,833 --> 01:37:37,375
trying to promote

2191
01:37:37,375 --> 01:37:39,166
now this. So

2192
01:37:39,166 --> 01:37:39,833
that's the

2193
01:37:39,833 --> 01:37:41,458
tourism scene

2194
01:37:41,458 --> 01:37:43,000
there. There's

2195
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:43,708
no, there's no

2196
01:37:43,708 --> 01:37:44,708
infrastructure at

2197
01:37:44,708 --> 01:37:45,458
all, which is

2198
01:37:45,458 --> 01:37:46,208
different unless

2199
01:37:46,208 --> 01:37:46,958
you are in the

2200
01:37:46,958 --> 01:37:47,791
wonder. But I

2201
01:37:47,791 --> 01:37:48,416
mean, no one goes

2202
01:37:48,416 --> 01:37:49,625
to just to see

2203
01:37:49,625 --> 01:37:50,208
the one that you

2204
01:37:50,208 --> 01:37:50,791
want to see the

2205
01:37:50,791 --> 01:37:51,500
wild. It's a

2206
01:37:51,500 --> 01:37:51,666
beautiful

2207
01:37:51,666 --> 01:37:53,250
country. But I

2208
01:37:53,250 --> 01:37:53,458
don't know.

2209
01:37:53,500 --> 01:37:54,125
Probably they're

2210
01:37:54,125 --> 01:37:55,666
trying to try to

2211
01:37:55,666 --> 01:37:56,583
invest a lot of

2212
01:37:56,583 --> 01:37:56,958
money, but

2213
01:37:56,958 --> 01:37:57,291
there's no

2214
01:37:57,291 --> 01:37:57,750
construction

2215
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:59,166
still. But having

2216
01:37:59,166 --> 01:37:59,708
the hub in

2217
01:37:59,708 --> 01:38:00,875
Angola, if we can

2218
01:38:00,875 --> 01:38:03,041
have like the

2219
01:38:03,041 --> 01:38:03,916
goal is to have a

2220
01:38:03,916 --> 01:38:04,750
house that we can

2221
01:38:04,750 --> 01:38:05,958
have from

2222
01:38:05,958 --> 01:38:06,458
education.

2223
01:38:06,708 --> 01:38:07,208
We can we don't

2224
01:38:07,208 --> 01:38:08,166
need to go to you

2225
01:38:08,166 --> 01:38:09,958
to do our

2226
01:38:09,958 --> 01:38:10,375
awareness

2227
01:38:10,375 --> 01:38:11,000
campaign. You can

2228
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:11,833
come to us. You

2229
01:38:11,833 --> 01:38:12,708
can visit to do

2230
01:38:12,708 --> 01:38:13,458
imagine on a

2231
01:38:13,458 --> 01:38:14,958
Friday night, a

2232
01:38:14,958 --> 01:38:15,625
movie

2233
01:38:15,625 --> 01:38:16,583
environmental

2234
01:38:16,583 --> 01:38:17,500
movie night for

2235
01:38:17,500 --> 01:38:19,000
the community.

2236
01:38:19,500 --> 01:38:20,166
And this stuff

2237
01:38:20,166 --> 01:38:20,625
that never

2238
01:38:20,625 --> 01:38:21,375
happened there.

2239
01:38:21,666 --> 01:38:22,208
And we want to

2240
01:38:22,208 --> 01:38:22,708
really promote

2241
01:38:22,708 --> 01:38:23,416
this as a center

2242
01:38:23,416 --> 01:38:24,500
for all of the

2243
01:38:24,500 --> 01:38:25,500
volunteers and

2244
01:38:25,500 --> 01:38:26,083
people that want

2245
01:38:26,083 --> 01:38:27,208
to reach and to

2246
01:38:27,208 --> 01:38:28,083
help not only

2247
01:38:28,083 --> 01:38:30,000
about how can I

2248
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:30,708
say the Angola

2249
01:38:30,708 --> 01:38:31,291
LASMO product.

2250
01:38:31,291 --> 01:38:32,000
But there's a lot

2251
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:32,791
of things to do

2252
01:38:32,791 --> 01:38:33,916
there. And I will

2253
01:38:33,916 --> 01:38:34,791
discover and I

2254
01:38:34,791 --> 01:38:35,625
will to partner

2255
01:38:35,625 --> 01:38:36,708
with to really

2256
01:38:36,708 --> 01:38:38,500
help also the

2257
01:38:38,500 --> 01:38:39,416
population there

2258
01:38:39,416 --> 01:38:41,000
in terms not only

2259
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:41,666
in terms of

2260
01:38:41,666 --> 01:38:43,208
fishery or sharks

2261
01:38:43,208 --> 01:38:44,833
and rays, because

2262
01:38:44,833 --> 01:38:46,125
it also has to do

2263
01:38:46,125 --> 01:38:47,166
with all of this

2264
01:38:47,166 --> 01:38:47,625
fishing.

2265
01:38:48,500 --> 01:38:50,125
Excessive fishing

2266
01:38:50,125 --> 01:38:52,375
and it's to do

2267
01:38:52,375 --> 01:38:52,916
with also the

2268
01:38:52,916 --> 01:38:53,416
conditions that

2269
01:38:53,416 --> 01:38:53,916
people leave

2270
01:38:53,916 --> 01:38:55,083
there. So if we

2271
01:38:55,083 --> 01:38:56,000
start to change

2272
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,083
the mentality in

2273
01:38:57,083 --> 01:38:57,875
terms of with our

2274
01:38:57,875 --> 01:38:58,500
awareness

2275
01:38:58,500 --> 01:38:59,041
campaigns and

2276
01:38:59,041 --> 01:39:00,291
also improving

2277
01:39:00,291 --> 01:39:00,625
their

2278
01:39:00,625 --> 01:39:02,333
livelihoods, I

2279
01:39:02,333 --> 01:39:03,458
think we can also

2280
01:39:03,458 --> 01:39:04,125
have a shift.

2281
01:39:04,416 --> 01:39:04,958
It's natural to

2282
01:39:04,958 --> 01:39:05,916
have a shift in

2283
01:39:05,916 --> 01:39:07,666
this sharks and

2284
01:39:07,666 --> 01:39:09,250
rays fish. So I

2285
01:39:09,250 --> 01:39:10,291
will try to

2286
01:39:10,291 --> 01:39:11,125
invent many

2287
01:39:11,125 --> 01:39:12,041
angles that I

2288
01:39:12,041 --> 01:39:13,666
will only be able

2289
01:39:13,666 --> 01:39:14,250
to figure out

2290
01:39:14,250 --> 01:39:15,166
once I'm there, I

2291
01:39:15,166 --> 01:39:15,458
think. Yeah.

2292
01:39:15,500 --> 01:39:17,125
Yeah. Yeah. Well,

2293
01:39:17,125 --> 01:39:18,250
definitely. It's

2294
01:39:18,250 --> 01:39:18,666
a fascinating

2295
01:39:18,666 --> 01:39:19,166
area because you

2296
01:39:19,166 --> 01:39:20,250
have a big final

2297
01:39:20,250 --> 01:39:21,041
change there in

2298
01:39:21,041 --> 01:39:21,583
that southern

2299
01:39:21,583 --> 01:39:23,166
area there. And

2300
01:39:23,166 --> 01:39:23,916
that's why I was

2301
01:39:23,916 --> 01:39:24,250
always curious,

2302
01:39:24,250 --> 01:39:25,083
like how further

2303
01:39:25,083 --> 01:39:25,833
up the Namibia

2304
01:39:25,833 --> 01:39:26,708
and Fauna went.

2305
01:39:26,708 --> 01:39:27,000
And then it

2306
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:27,750
changes. Then you

2307
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:28,583
get more of a

2308
01:39:28,583 --> 01:39:29,750
warm tempered

2309
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:31,250
subtropical type

2310
01:39:31,250 --> 01:39:32,000
of Fauna there.

2311
01:39:32,625 --> 01:39:33,208
And you're so

2312
01:39:33,208 --> 01:39:33,666
you're kind of

2313
01:39:33,666 --> 01:39:34,166
working in that

2314
01:39:34,166 --> 01:39:34,750
whole area,

2315
01:39:34,750 --> 01:39:36,250
correct? Yes.

2316
01:39:37,375 --> 01:39:37,458
Yes. Yeah.

2317
01:39:37,500 --> 01:39:38,791
So it's very

2318
01:39:38,791 --> 01:39:39,500
cool. The water

2319
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:40,166
is very cold

2320
01:39:40,166 --> 01:39:40,875
there. It's

2321
01:39:40,875 --> 01:39:41,333
really, really

2322
01:39:41,333 --> 01:39:42,458
cold. Even in the

2323
01:39:42,458 --> 01:39:43,583
summer, it is

2324
01:39:43,583 --> 01:39:45,000
cold. But then

2325
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,375
once you go to

2326
01:39:47,375 --> 01:39:48,500
the Benguela

2327
01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:49,458
province, it

2328
01:39:49,458 --> 01:39:50,166
starts getting

2329
01:39:50,166 --> 01:39:51,291
warmer and you

2330
01:39:51,291 --> 01:39:51,875
have really

2331
01:39:51,875 --> 01:39:53,500
crystalline

2332
01:39:53,500 --> 01:39:54,625
waters. It's

2333
01:39:54,625 --> 01:39:55,291
really changes

2334
01:39:55,291 --> 01:39:56,375
everything. Yeah.

2335
01:39:56,375 --> 01:39:57,000
I've never I've

2336
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:58,166
never been there.

2337
01:39:58,666 --> 01:39:59,333
This is something

2338
01:39:59,333 --> 01:40:00,166
that I want to do

2339
01:40:00,166 --> 01:40:00,833
when I'm there.

2340
01:40:01,541 --> 01:40:02,083
But I will love

2341
01:40:02,083 --> 01:40:03,291
to see. Yeah. So,

2342
01:40:03,291 --> 01:40:03,791
okay. So that's

2343
01:40:03,791 --> 01:40:04,458
further north of

2344
01:40:04,458 --> 01:40:05,000
where you're at

2345
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:05,833
there where it

2346
01:40:05,833 --> 01:40:06,916
goes from the

2347
01:40:06,916 --> 01:40:08,416
Benguela to the

2348
01:40:08,416 --> 01:40:09,083
camera, the name

2349
01:40:09,083 --> 01:40:09,541
of the current

2350
01:40:09,541 --> 01:40:10,208
above that.

2351
01:40:11,250 --> 01:40:11,416
Because you're

2352
01:40:11,416 --> 01:40:11,750
more in the

2353
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:12,458
Benguela current.

2354
01:40:12,875 --> 01:40:13,208
Correct. I mean,

2355
01:40:13,208 --> 01:40:13,625
the Benguela

2356
01:40:13,625 --> 01:40:14,666
current is at the

2357
01:40:14,666 --> 01:40:15,875
end of it. So I'm

2358
01:40:15,875 --> 01:40:16,708
really close to

2359
01:40:16,708 --> 01:40:17,791
the Namibia

2360
01:40:17,791 --> 01:40:19,750
border. And then

2361
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:20,750
you have the

2362
01:40:20,750 --> 01:40:21,166
current of

2363
01:40:21,166 --> 01:40:22,375
Angola. So it

2364
01:40:22,375 --> 01:40:23,041
will really go

2365
01:40:23,041 --> 01:40:24,041
through. And then

2366
01:40:24,041 --> 01:40:25,291
you have the Gulf

2367
01:40:25,291 --> 01:40:26,208
of the Guinea.

2368
01:40:26,500 --> 01:40:28,208
And then

2369
01:40:28,208 --> 01:40:28,500
you have the

2370
01:40:28,500 --> 01:40:29,291
Angolan current,

2371
01:40:29,541 --> 01:40:30,666
which mixes with

2372
01:40:30,666 --> 01:40:32,208
the the the

2373
01:40:32,208 --> 01:40:33,250
Benguela and then

2374
01:40:33,250 --> 01:40:34,416
it shifts during

2375
01:40:34,416 --> 01:40:35,416
the summer or

2376
01:40:35,416 --> 01:40:36,083
during the winter

2377
01:40:36,083 --> 01:40:37,000
goes up or down.

2378
01:40:37,458 --> 01:40:37,916
So you have a

2379
01:40:37,916 --> 01:40:38,416
shift also

2380
01:40:38,416 --> 01:40:39,458
species. This is

2381
01:40:39,458 --> 01:40:40,541
this is for the

2382
01:40:40,541 --> 01:40:41,416
future. I will

2383
01:40:41,416 --> 01:40:42,000
have plenty of

2384
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,083
time now to

2385
01:40:43,083 --> 01:40:43,916
travel to these

2386
01:40:43,916 --> 01:40:45,083
places and try to

2387
01:40:45,083 --> 01:40:45,833
collect data.

2388
01:40:46,458 --> 01:40:47,041
Yeah. Yeah.

2389
01:40:47,250 --> 01:40:47,625
Fascinating.

2390
01:40:47,833 --> 01:40:48,666
Fascinating area.

2391
01:40:48,958 --> 01:40:49,083
Really

2392
01:40:49,083 --> 01:40:50,500
fascinating area.

2393
01:40:50,958 --> 01:40:51,375
Anything else

2394
01:40:51,375 --> 01:40:51,833
you'd like to

2395
01:40:51,833 --> 01:40:52,500
highlight on your

2396
01:40:52,500 --> 01:40:53,958
on your website

2397
01:40:53,958 --> 01:40:54,541
there? You want

2398
01:40:54,541 --> 01:40:55,000
people to go

2399
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:55,458
check it out? And we'll we'll post these.

2400
01:40:55,500 --> 01:40:56,666
We'll post the

2401
01:40:56,666 --> 01:40:57,750
your your your

2402
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:59,458
website on on the

2403
01:40:59,458 --> 01:41:00,291
link on there.

2404
01:41:00,291 --> 01:41:02,000
And besides,

2405
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:03,000
obviously go to

2406
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:04,000
the donation page

2407
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:05,250
and help help

2408
01:41:05,250 --> 01:41:06,875
Lucia's site

2409
01:41:06,875 --> 01:41:07,583
there. If you can

2410
01:41:07,583 --> 01:41:08,333
spare a few

2411
01:41:08,333 --> 01:41:09,125
dollars and.

2412
01:41:10,791 --> 01:41:14,791
Yeah, I would

2413
01:41:14,791 --> 01:41:16,000
like to if people

2414
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:17,083
could go and

2415
01:41:17,083 --> 01:41:18,250
check the whole

2416
01:41:18,250 --> 01:41:19,500
team. I think

2417
01:41:19,500 --> 01:41:20,208
they deserve to

2418
01:41:20,208 --> 01:41:21,000
be seen as well.

2419
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:21,458
And they're very proud. Absolutely. Yeah.

2420
01:41:21,500 --> 01:41:25,375
So if you go and

2421
01:41:25,375 --> 01:41:26,125
check the website

2422
01:41:26,125 --> 01:41:27,958
go on about us

2423
01:41:27,958 --> 01:41:30,125
and and check the

2424
01:41:30,125 --> 01:41:32,708
young shark and

2425
01:41:32,708 --> 01:41:33,291
ray research

2426
01:41:33,291 --> 01:41:34,500
generation from

2427
01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:35,666
Angola. Yeah.

2428
01:41:35,666 --> 01:41:37,208
Cool. Yeah. All

2429
01:41:37,208 --> 01:41:37,916
right. Well,

2430
01:41:38,250 --> 01:41:38,875
well, this has

2431
01:41:38,875 --> 01:41:39,416
been this been

2432
01:41:39,416 --> 01:41:40,083
terrific with you

2433
01:41:40,083 --> 01:41:40,833
catching up with

2434
01:41:40,833 --> 01:41:42,500
you and getting

2435
01:41:42,500 --> 01:41:43,041
getting to find

2436
01:41:43,041 --> 01:41:43,500
out where you've

2437
01:41:43,500 --> 01:41:43,958
been at and

2438
01:41:43,958 --> 01:41:44,458
everything and good congratulations on your engagement and.

2439
01:41:45,500 --> 01:41:47,958
Thank you very

2440
01:41:47,958 --> 01:41:48,583
much. And you and

2441
01:41:48,583 --> 01:41:49,041
I will look

2442
01:41:49,041 --> 01:41:49,500
forward to an

2443
01:41:49,500 --> 01:41:50,666
invitation at

2444
01:41:50,666 --> 01:41:51,416
some point here

2445
01:41:51,416 --> 01:41:51,875
when you're all

2446
01:41:51,875 --> 01:41:53,041
done. And for

2447
01:41:53,041 --> 01:41:54,833
sure. And

2448
01:41:54,833 --> 01:41:56,125
definitely, you

2449
01:41:56,125 --> 01:41:56,583
know, good luck

2450
01:41:56,583 --> 01:41:57,333
with your project

2451
01:41:57,333 --> 01:41:58,083
there and we'll

2452
01:41:58,083 --> 01:41:58,375
we'll definitely

2453
01:41:58,375 --> 01:41:59,208
have you back on

2454
01:41:59,208 --> 01:41:59,875
to kind of catch

2455
01:41:59,875 --> 01:42:01,083
up on how it's

2456
01:42:01,083 --> 01:42:01,958
going once you're

2457
01:42:01,958 --> 01:42:02,458
down your your

2458
01:42:02,458 --> 01:42:03,166
PhD and

2459
01:42:03,166 --> 01:42:03,958
everything. And

2460
01:42:03,958 --> 01:42:05,208
one final thing,

2461
01:42:05,208 --> 01:42:05,416
you're going to

2462
01:42:05,416 --> 01:42:05,750
be a sharks

2463
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:06,166
international

2464
01:42:06,166 --> 01:42:08,500
coming up. I will

2465
01:42:08,500 --> 01:42:09,208
be presenting.

2466
01:42:10,083 --> 01:42:11,291
Awesome. Yes,

2467
01:42:11,291 --> 01:42:11,458
congrats. Thank you. Thank you.

2468
01:42:12,500 --> 01:42:16,041
I look forward to

2469
01:42:16,041 --> 01:42:16,500
seeing you there

2470
01:42:16,500 --> 01:42:17,041
then I guess

2471
01:42:17,041 --> 01:42:17,708
we'll catch up

2472
01:42:17,708 --> 01:42:19,166
some more. Yeah,

2473
01:42:19,166 --> 01:42:20,250
for sure. But but

2474
01:42:20,250 --> 01:42:21,833
but thank thank

2475
01:42:21,833 --> 01:42:22,500
you very much for

2476
01:42:22,500 --> 01:42:23,083
coming on here

2477
01:42:23,083 --> 01:42:24,041
and good and best

2478
01:42:24,041 --> 01:42:24,625
of luck for you

2479
01:42:24,625 --> 01:42:25,791
and all your all

2480
01:42:25,791 --> 01:42:26,291
your all your

2481
01:42:26,291 --> 01:42:27,083
projects and

2482
01:42:27,083 --> 01:42:28,083
everything. So

2483
01:42:28,083 --> 01:42:30,458
yeah, it'd be we

2484
01:42:30,458 --> 01:42:31,125
really appreciate

2485
01:42:31,125 --> 01:42:31,916
you. You coming

2486
01:42:31,916 --> 01:42:32,875
on and and the

2487
01:42:32,875 --> 01:42:33,416
work that you're

2488
01:42:33,416 --> 01:42:34,250
doing in Angola

2489
01:42:34,250 --> 01:42:34,875
and the work that

2490
01:42:34,875 --> 01:42:36,666
you do to help

2491
01:42:36,666 --> 01:42:37,083
the communities

2492
01:42:37,083 --> 01:42:38,208
there understand

2493
01:42:38,208 --> 01:42:39,208
their like help

2494
01:42:39,208 --> 01:42:39,458
better understand the fisheries and the work you're
doing and because I think that's what we're doing.

2495
01:42:39,500 --> 01:42:42,500
And good luck on

2496
01:42:42,500 --> 01:42:43,208
on the wedding

2497
01:42:43,208 --> 01:42:43,958
and good luck on

2498
01:42:43,958 --> 01:42:45,291
the move. We look

2499
01:42:45,291 --> 01:42:45,666
forward to

2500
01:42:45,666 --> 01:42:46,375
hearing from you

2501
01:42:46,375 --> 01:42:49,375
shortly. Thank

2502
01:42:49,375 --> 01:42:50,833
you. Thank you

2503
01:42:50,833 --> 01:42:51,791
for joining us on

2504
01:42:51,791 --> 01:42:52,416
today's episode

2505
01:42:52,416 --> 01:42:53,375
of the Beyond

2506
01:42:53,375 --> 01:42:54,208
Jaws podcast was

2507
01:42:54,208 --> 01:42:54,791
great to have you

2508
01:42:54,791 --> 01:42:55,541
on great to get

2509
01:42:55,541 --> 01:42:56,708
the big life

2510
01:42:56,708 --> 01:42:57,625
update of moving

2511
01:42:57,625 --> 01:42:59,708
to Angola to

2512
01:42:59,708 --> 01:43:01,416
follow Angola and

2513
01:43:01,416 --> 01:43:02,416
last more like

2514
01:43:02,416 --> 01:43:03,333
permanently. This

2515
01:43:03,333 --> 01:43:04,291
is something

2516
01:43:04,291 --> 01:43:05,500
that's been on

2517
01:43:05,500 --> 01:43:06,458
her mind for a long time as we saw, she's getting married and she's getting married and she's getting married and she's getting married and she's getting married and she's getting married. And I'm glad that you're here.

2518
01:43:06,500 --> 01:43:07,708
Back in an hour, I think to put on a long time as we

2519
01:43:07,708 --> 01:43:08,708
saw Dave, she's

2520
01:43:08,708 --> 01:43:09,375
getting married

2521
01:43:09,375 --> 01:43:09,833
and they're going

2522
01:43:09,833 --> 01:43:10,625
to move her her

2523
01:43:10,625 --> 01:43:11,041
and her partner

2524
01:43:11,041 --> 01:43:11,666
are going to move

2525
01:43:11,666 --> 01:43:13,666
down to Africa to

2526
01:43:13,666 --> 01:43:15,166
Angola and I

2527
01:43:15,166 --> 01:43:15,708
think is a bit of

2528
01:43:15,708 --> 01:43:17,125
an interesting

2529
01:43:17,125 --> 01:43:18,208
story because her

2530
01:43:18,208 --> 01:43:19,000
parents as she

2531
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:19,500
mentioned,

2532
01:43:20,500 --> 01:43:21,708
They had to flee

2533
01:43:21,708 --> 01:43:23,000
to Portugal now

2534
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:23,958
going back kind

2535
01:43:23,958 --> 01:43:24,875
of like a bit of

2536
01:43:24,875 --> 01:43:25,416
a circle

2537
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:26,500
Moment for a full

2538
01:43:26,500 --> 01:43:27,375
circle moment for

2539
01:43:27,375 --> 01:43:27,833
her and her

2540
01:43:27,833 --> 01:43:28,916
family which I

2541
01:43:28,916 --> 01:43:29,500
think is I think

2542
01:43:29,500 --> 01:43:29,875
is really

2543
01:43:29,875 --> 01:43:30,875
important her mom

2544
01:43:30,875 --> 01:43:31,666
a little nervous

2545
01:43:31,666 --> 01:43:32,333
That she's going

2546
01:43:32,333 --> 01:43:33,083
of course being

2547
01:43:33,083 --> 01:43:34,000
so far away

2548
01:43:34,125 --> 01:43:35,458
But it's it's

2549
01:43:35,458 --> 01:43:36,000
definitely an

2550
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:36,833
interesting life

2551
01:43:36,833 --> 01:43:37,166
update

2552
01:43:37,166 --> 01:43:38,000
now Dave you

2553
01:43:38,041 --> 01:43:39,041
Move from

2554
01:43:39,041 --> 01:43:40,125
California all

2555
01:43:40,125 --> 01:43:41,041
the way to South

2556
01:43:41,041 --> 01:43:41,916
Africa to do your

2557
01:43:41,916 --> 01:43:42,875
graduate studies

2558
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:43,875
Obviously a big

2559
01:43:43,875 --> 01:43:45,250
culture move back

2560
01:43:45,250 --> 01:43:46,125
even back in the

2561
01:43:46,125 --> 01:43:47,500
70s and 80s when

2562
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:47,958
you did it

2563
01:43:48,500 --> 01:43:49,583
That's a that's a

2564
01:43:49,583 --> 01:43:50,250
huge thing for

2565
01:43:50,250 --> 01:43:50,750
her. Although

2566
01:43:50,750 --> 01:43:51,500
she's used to

2567
01:43:51,500 --> 01:43:52,083
being in Angola

2568
01:43:52,083 --> 01:43:52,541
because she's

2569
01:43:52,541 --> 01:43:53,458
lives there, you

2570
01:43:53,458 --> 01:43:54,208
know part time

2571
01:43:54,208 --> 01:43:55,666
She has a move is

2572
01:43:55,666 --> 01:43:57,000
that that's huge

2573
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:57,666
I mean she and I

2574
01:43:57,666 --> 01:43:58,166
think she has a

2575
01:43:58,166 --> 01:43:59,625
she has a pass an

2576
01:43:59,625 --> 01:44:00,416
Angolan passport

2577
01:44:00,416 --> 01:44:00,833
because of

2578
01:44:00,833 --> 01:44:01,000
her parents

2579
01:44:01,291 --> 01:44:01,791
She's able to get

2580
01:44:01,791 --> 01:44:02,041
an angry

2581
01:44:02,041 --> 01:44:03,583
passport and

2582
01:44:04,250 --> 01:44:05,416
It's huge. I mean

2583
01:44:05,416 --> 01:44:05,958
it's a lot. It's

2584
01:44:05,958 --> 01:44:06,958
a lot calmer now,

2585
01:44:06,958 --> 01:44:07,708
you know as we

2586
01:44:07,708 --> 01:44:08,333
talked touched a

2587
01:44:08,333 --> 01:44:08,916
little bit on and

2588
01:44:08,916 --> 01:44:09,041
we've

2589
01:44:09,041 --> 01:44:09,500
talked before

2590
01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:09,791
then you know,

2591
01:44:09,791 --> 01:44:10,458
they were in a

2592
01:44:10,458 --> 01:44:11,166
you know, they

2593
01:44:11,166 --> 01:44:11,583
were in a quite a

2594
01:44:11,625 --> 01:44:13,375
Bad Civil War

2595
01:44:13,375 --> 01:44:14,333
back in the 80s

2596
01:44:14,333 --> 01:44:15,291
late 80s when I

2597
01:44:15,291 --> 01:44:15,916
was there and

2598
01:44:15,916 --> 01:44:16,666
sound like her

2599
01:44:16,666 --> 01:44:17,625
her parents left

2600
01:44:17,625 --> 01:44:18,250
about the time

2601
01:44:18,250 --> 01:44:18,500
with her

2602
01:44:18,500 --> 01:44:19,291
Two older sisters

2603
01:44:19,291 --> 01:44:20,250
about the time I

2604
01:44:20,250 --> 01:44:21,541
rolled into South

2605
01:44:21,541 --> 01:44:22,375
Africa and spent

2606
01:44:22,375 --> 01:44:22,750
time up

2607
01:44:22,750 --> 01:44:23,375
in Namibia

2608
01:44:24,458 --> 01:44:26,583
But yeah to up

2609
01:44:26,583 --> 01:44:27,166
and be heading

2610
01:44:27,166 --> 01:44:28,250
back down there

2611
01:44:28,250 --> 01:44:29,250
to take up

2612
01:44:29,250 --> 01:44:29,791
roots there

2613
01:44:29,791 --> 01:44:30,541
You know given

2614
01:44:30,541 --> 01:44:31,208
her parents had

2615
01:44:31,208 --> 01:44:32,250
left it's gonna

2616
01:44:32,250 --> 01:44:32,875
be quite a thing

2617
01:44:32,875 --> 01:44:33,958
I have to say we

2618
01:44:33,958 --> 01:44:34,791
might have to

2619
01:44:34,791 --> 01:44:35,375
have her her

2620
01:44:35,375 --> 01:44:36,208
future husband on

2621
01:44:36,208 --> 01:44:36,750
the show guy

2622
01:44:36,750 --> 01:44:37,291
I got to find out

2623
01:44:37,291 --> 01:44:38,166
why this because

2624
01:44:38,166 --> 01:44:39,041
it's one thing if

2625
01:44:39,041 --> 01:44:39,625
you're used to

2626
01:44:39,625 --> 01:44:40,041
that lifestyle

2627
01:44:40,291 --> 01:44:40,833
But if you're

2628
01:44:40,833 --> 01:44:41,750
saying like hi,

2629
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:42,125
honey, we're

2630
01:44:42,125 --> 01:44:42,250
gonna get

2631
01:44:42,250 --> 01:44:42,666
married. They're

2632
01:44:42,666 --> 01:44:42,958
gonna move

2633
01:44:42,958 --> 01:44:43,625
down Gola

2634
01:44:44,375 --> 01:44:45,125
That's a pretty

2635
01:44:45,125 --> 01:44:46,333
big deal. That's

2636
01:44:46,333 --> 01:44:47,166
a huge that's

2637
01:44:47,166 --> 01:44:47,416
lover

2638
01:44:47,416 --> 01:44:48,500
something boy

2639
01:44:48,500 --> 01:44:53,000
Yes, I I did it I

2640
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:53,541
don't know how

2641
01:44:53,541 --> 01:44:54,041
that would have

2642
01:44:54,041 --> 01:44:54,541
if I would have

2643
01:44:54,541 --> 01:44:54,916
been married

2644
01:44:54,916 --> 01:44:55,416
I don't think

2645
01:44:55,416 --> 01:44:55,791
that would have

2646
01:44:55,791 --> 01:44:56,625
lasted at all

2647
01:44:56,625 --> 01:44:57,375
because it's a

2648
01:44:57,375 --> 01:44:59,041
huge huge change.

2649
01:44:59,041 --> 01:45:00,500
It's oh, yeah,

2650
01:45:00,500 --> 01:45:01,041
especially where

2651
01:45:01,041 --> 01:45:01,416
they're moving

2652
01:45:01,416 --> 01:45:02,250
down the south

2653
01:45:02,250 --> 01:45:02,750
It's not like

2654
01:45:02,750 --> 01:45:03,041
you're gonna be

2655
01:45:03,041 --> 01:45:04,458
in Luanda one of

2656
01:45:04,458 --> 01:45:05,166
the major cities

2657
01:45:05,166 --> 01:45:05,666
there where she's

2658
01:45:05,666 --> 01:45:06,041
moving. It's

2659
01:45:06,041 --> 01:45:06,291
gonna be

2660
01:45:06,625 --> 01:45:07,791
I mean they have

2661
01:45:07,791 --> 01:45:08,375
you know, they

2662
01:45:08,375 --> 01:45:09,333
have stuff there,

2663
01:45:09,333 --> 01:45:09,958
you know

2664
01:45:10,291 --> 01:45:11,166
Internet and some

2665
01:45:11,166 --> 01:45:12,000
of the basics,

2666
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,291
but it's gonna be

2667
01:45:13,291 --> 01:45:13,625
a definitely

2668
01:45:13,625 --> 01:45:13,875
different

2669
01:45:13,875 --> 01:45:14,500
definitely a bit

2670
01:45:14,500 --> 01:45:15,333
of a change and

2671
01:45:16,041 --> 01:45:17,041
I'm excited. I'm

2672
01:45:17,041 --> 01:45:17,708
kind of happy for

2673
01:45:17,708 --> 01:45:18,333
her. She really

2674
01:45:18,333 --> 01:45:18,916
she's found what

2675
01:45:18,916 --> 01:45:20,000
she's done. She's

2676
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:20,708
connected into

2677
01:45:20,708 --> 01:45:21,250
the community

2678
01:45:21,250 --> 01:45:22,000
She knows the

2679
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:23,250
local politicians

2680
01:45:23,250 --> 01:45:24,250
down there

2681
01:45:24,583 --> 01:45:26,000
And the the

2682
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:26,333
different

2683
01:45:26,333 --> 01:45:27,291
agencies and they

2684
01:45:27,291 --> 01:45:27,708
seem to really

2685
01:45:27,708 --> 01:45:28,291
like her from

2686
01:45:28,291 --> 01:45:28,583
what she

2687
01:45:28,583 --> 01:45:29,708
said. So yeah

2688
01:45:30,083 --> 01:45:31,041
Of course, I got

2689
01:45:31,041 --> 01:45:31,458
now I'm gonna

2690
01:45:31,458 --> 01:45:32,833
have to like go

2691
01:45:32,833 --> 01:45:33,291
have to visit

2692
01:45:33,291 --> 01:45:34,208
here sometime and

2693
01:45:34,208 --> 01:45:34,541
check it

2694
01:45:34,541 --> 01:45:34,750
out myself

2695
01:45:34,875 --> 01:45:35,833
Maybe maybe you

2696
01:45:35,833 --> 01:45:36,250
should come with

2697
01:45:36,250 --> 01:45:37,375
me Andrew. Hey,

2698
01:45:37,375 --> 01:45:37,916
I've never been

2699
01:45:37,916 --> 01:45:38,583
to Africa. I

2700
01:45:38,583 --> 01:45:39,000
think that would

2701
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:39,583
be a lot of fun

2702
01:45:39,583 --> 01:45:40,958
I think oh baby

2703
01:45:41,666 --> 01:45:42,833
Right. We've got

2704
01:45:42,833 --> 01:45:43,291
the whole baby.

2705
01:45:43,291 --> 01:45:43,625
We've got

2706
01:45:43,625 --> 01:45:43,833
something

2707
01:45:43,833 --> 01:45:44,458
to show you

2708
01:45:46,375 --> 01:45:47,125
Yeah, I think

2709
01:45:47,125 --> 01:45:47,666
it'd be I think

2710
01:45:47,666 --> 01:45:48,083
it'd be a fun

2711
01:45:48,083 --> 01:45:48,416
experience

2712
01:45:48,416 --> 01:45:48,750
There's you know

2713
01:45:48,750 --> 01:45:49,166
There's a lot of

2714
01:45:49,166 --> 01:45:50,000
people that we

2715
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:51,250
we've had on

2716
01:45:51,250 --> 01:45:51,791
guests who have

2717
01:45:51,791 --> 01:45:52,916
gone and done

2718
01:45:52,916 --> 01:45:53,416
research

2719
01:45:53,416 --> 01:45:54,541
or visited

2720
01:45:54,625 --> 01:45:55,833
You know as a

2721
01:45:55,833 --> 01:45:57,000
vacation down to

2722
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:58,375
Africa a few of

2723
01:45:58,375 --> 01:45:58,583
our

2724
01:45:58,583 --> 01:45:59,458
upcoming guests

2725
01:45:59,458 --> 01:46:00,875
And I think it's

2726
01:46:00,875 --> 01:46:01,625
kind of a cool

2727
01:46:01,625 --> 01:46:02,625
thing to to even

2728
01:46:02,625 --> 01:46:03,166
think about, you

2729
01:46:03,166 --> 01:46:03,625
know here in

2730
01:46:03,625 --> 01:46:03,833
North America

2731
01:46:03,875 --> 01:46:05,416
You know going to

2732
01:46:05,416 --> 01:46:06,458
Africa is such a

2733
01:46:06,458 --> 01:46:07,666
big deal, you

2734
01:46:07,666 --> 01:46:08,250
know when you go

2735
01:46:08,250 --> 01:46:09,375
on safari or you

2736
01:46:09,375 --> 01:46:10,083
go on a trip like

2737
01:46:10,083 --> 01:46:10,625
on vacation

2738
01:46:10,958 --> 01:46:11,666
You know, you

2739
01:46:11,666 --> 01:46:12,291
never think about

2740
01:46:12,291 --> 01:46:12,916
moving there. You

2741
01:46:12,916 --> 01:46:13,541
never think you

2742
01:46:13,541 --> 01:46:14,291
know, you just

2743
01:46:14,291 --> 01:46:14,833
hear so

2744
01:46:14,833 --> 01:46:15,458
many things

2745
01:46:15,458 --> 01:46:15,875
You just don't

2746
01:46:15,875 --> 01:46:16,250
know what to

2747
01:46:16,250 --> 01:46:16,875
think about even

2748
01:46:16,875 --> 01:46:17,750
South Africa is

2749
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:19,208
such a big a big,

2750
01:46:19,208 --> 01:46:20,083
you know

2751
01:46:20,083 --> 01:46:21,000
It's a big travel

2752
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:21,875
day. Obviously.

2753
01:46:21,875 --> 01:46:23,041
Yeah 24 hours to

2754
01:46:23,041 --> 01:46:23,750
get there. So

2755
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:24,791
it's far away

2756
01:46:25,166 --> 01:46:25,791
But it's

2757
01:46:25,791 --> 01:46:26,125
something you

2758
01:46:26,125 --> 01:46:26,666
just never think

2759
01:46:26,666 --> 01:46:27,291
about, you know

2760
01:46:27,291 --> 01:46:28,125
for me anyway

2761
01:46:28,125 --> 01:46:29,041
being in Canada

2762
01:46:29,041 --> 01:46:29,500
or being in

2763
01:46:29,500 --> 01:46:29,958
North America

2764
01:46:30,041 --> 01:46:31,375
So it's kind of a

2765
01:46:31,375 --> 01:46:32,000
cool thing to

2766
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:32,666
hear people

2767
01:46:33,666 --> 01:46:34,958
You know travel

2768
01:46:34,958 --> 01:46:35,833
and work there

2769
01:46:35,833 --> 01:46:36,458
and then even

2770
01:46:36,458 --> 01:46:37,125
move there. I

2771
01:46:37,125 --> 01:46:37,666
think it's it's

2772
01:46:37,666 --> 01:46:38,125
kind of a cool

2773
01:46:38,125 --> 01:46:38,458
thing. It's

2774
01:46:38,458 --> 01:46:38,625
definitely

2775
01:46:38,625 --> 01:46:39,458
opened my eyes

2776
01:46:39,458 --> 01:46:40,416
Well, I say it's different. It's

2777
01:46:40,416 --> 01:46:41,083
different. Can it

2778
01:46:41,083 --> 01:46:42,250
give yeah

2779
01:46:42,250 --> 01:46:42,625
Well, it's

2780
01:46:42,625 --> 01:46:42,916
definitely

2781
01:46:42,916 --> 01:46:43,291
different if

2782
01:46:43,291 --> 01:46:43,750
you're going on a

2783
01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:44,541
safari there for

2784
01:46:44,541 --> 01:46:45,208
a week or two

2785
01:46:45,208 --> 01:46:45,833
couple of weeks

2786
01:46:45,833 --> 01:46:46,500
That's one thing

2787
01:46:46,500 --> 01:46:47,125
but when you're

2788
01:46:47,125 --> 01:46:47,458
going there to

2789
01:46:47,458 --> 01:46:48,000
live there,

2790
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,166
that's a whole

2791
01:46:49,166 --> 01:46:49,875
different kettle

2792
01:46:49,875 --> 01:46:51,625
of fish there and

2793
01:46:52,333 --> 01:46:53,333
It's great. I

2794
01:46:53,333 --> 01:46:53,666
mean you

2795
01:46:53,666 --> 01:46:54,250
definitely if you

2796
01:46:54,250 --> 01:46:55,000
if you're if

2797
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:55,500
you're that kind

2798
01:46:55,500 --> 01:46:56,208
of an adventure

2799
01:46:56,208 --> 01:46:56,833
explorer

2800
01:46:56,833 --> 01:46:57,708
type of person

2801
01:46:57,791 --> 01:46:58,708
it's to be able

2802
01:46:58,708 --> 01:46:59,083
to move to

2803
01:46:59,083 --> 01:46:59,625
another country

2804
01:46:59,625 --> 01:47:00,416
like that, it's

2805
01:47:00,416 --> 01:47:00,916
it's pretty

2806
01:47:00,916 --> 01:47:02,375
impressive and

2807
01:47:03,375 --> 01:47:04,125
Yeah, I mean I

2808
01:47:04,125 --> 01:47:04,666
wish her all the

2809
01:47:04,666 --> 01:47:05,333
all the best

2810
01:47:05,333 --> 01:47:06,041
there and that in

2811
01:47:06,041 --> 01:47:06,666
the movie and

2812
01:47:06,666 --> 01:47:07,250
we'll definitely

2813
01:47:07,250 --> 01:47:07,750
be having to

2814
01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:08,041
check in

2815
01:47:08,041 --> 01:47:08,291
With her

2816
01:47:08,291 --> 01:47:09,208
periodically. I'm

2817
01:47:09,208 --> 01:47:10,333
just got my own

2818
01:47:10,333 --> 01:47:11,208
curiosities from

2819
01:47:11,208 --> 01:47:12,000
having spent time

2820
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:12,416
there in

2821
01:47:12,416 --> 01:47:12,958
South Africa

2822
01:47:12,958 --> 01:47:13,458
and of course

2823
01:47:13,458 --> 01:47:14,125
Namibia

2824
01:47:14,125 --> 01:47:15,250
quite a bit and

2825
01:47:16,125 --> 01:47:16,958
We definitely got

2826
01:47:16,958 --> 01:47:17,583
to follow up with

2827
01:47:17,583 --> 01:47:18,125
her to make sure

2828
01:47:18,125 --> 01:47:18,583
we get the

2829
01:47:19,083 --> 01:47:19,916
Invitate wedding

2830
01:47:19,916 --> 01:47:20,708
invitation to

2831
01:47:20,708 --> 01:47:22,708
Portugal. I hope

2832
01:47:22,708 --> 01:47:23,333
I hope we got a

2833
01:47:23,333 --> 01:47:23,791
prime see

2834
01:47:23,791 --> 01:47:24,041
you again

2835
01:47:24,041 --> 01:47:25,250
We should do she

2836
01:47:25,250 --> 01:47:25,583
really think

2837
01:47:25,583 --> 01:47:25,958
about doing a

2838
01:47:25,958 --> 01:47:27,291
podcast there for

2839
01:47:27,291 --> 01:47:27,875
the last from

2840
01:47:27,875 --> 01:47:28,458
there. Oh, that'd

2841
01:47:28,458 --> 01:47:28,958
be awesome

2842
01:47:28,958 --> 01:47:30,041
They would love

2843
01:47:33,625 --> 01:47:34,500
Her partner's

2844
01:47:34,500 --> 01:47:35,083
like wait, I'm

2845
01:47:35,083 --> 01:47:35,625
moving to Angola

2846
01:47:35,625 --> 01:47:36,291
now you got these

2847
01:47:36,291 --> 01:47:36,916
two jokers

2848
01:47:39,875 --> 01:47:40,666
Whispering she's

2849
01:47:40,666 --> 01:47:40,875
coming

2850
01:47:40,875 --> 01:47:41,791
down the aisle

2851
01:47:41,791 --> 01:47:44,250
Yeah, I'd be like

2852
01:47:44,250 --> 01:47:44,708
it'd be like a

2853
01:47:44,708 --> 01:47:45,291
golf. It'd be

2854
01:47:45,291 --> 01:47:45,750
like a golf

2855
01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:48,291
thing. Yeah. Yeah

2856
01:47:48,291 --> 01:47:49,916
Now the minister

2857
01:47:49,916 --> 01:47:50,625
starting this

2858
01:47:50,625 --> 01:47:53,458
the ceremony and

2859
01:47:54,041 --> 01:47:55,083
Here comes a

2860
01:47:55,083 --> 01:47:55,916
tear. She's got a

2861
01:47:55,916 --> 01:47:56,500
tear. Yes. You

2862
01:47:56,500 --> 01:47:57,541
tear here comes

2863
01:47:57,541 --> 01:47:58,500
here comes a ring

2864
01:47:58,500 --> 01:47:59,291
bearer who's yeah

2865
01:47:59,291 --> 01:48:00,041
who is born in

2866
01:48:00,583 --> 01:48:02,291
2020 yeah, you

2867
01:48:02,291 --> 01:48:02,833
know a little

2868
01:48:02,833 --> 01:48:03,166
little

2869
01:48:03,166 --> 01:48:04,000
little Nathan

2870
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:09,375
That they would

2871
01:48:09,375 --> 01:48:10,291
have us to be

2872
01:48:10,291 --> 01:48:11,291
there we're gonna

2873
01:48:11,291 --> 01:48:11,666
have fun

2874
01:48:11,666 --> 01:48:12,166
We're gonna have

2875
01:48:12,166 --> 01:48:13,166
fun with look we

2876
01:48:13,166 --> 01:48:13,916
come as a package

2877
01:48:13,916 --> 01:48:14,958
duo if anybody

2878
01:48:14,958 --> 01:48:15,541
wants us at

2879
01:48:15,541 --> 01:48:15,958
their wedding

2880
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:16,791
We can to

2881
01:48:16,791 --> 01:48:17,666
commentate, you

2882
01:48:17,666 --> 01:48:18,416
know podcast it

2883
01:48:18,416 --> 01:48:19,541
from there. No

2884
01:48:19,541 --> 01:48:20,000
problem

2885
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,208
whatsoever. Yeah,

2886
01:48:21,208 --> 01:48:21,458
no, but it

2887
01:48:21,458 --> 01:48:21,791
was great

2888
01:48:21,791 --> 01:48:22,541
It was great to

2889
01:48:22,541 --> 01:48:23,916
have her on it

2890
01:48:23,916 --> 01:48:24,250
was great

2891
01:48:24,250 --> 01:48:24,750
to be able to

2892
01:48:25,458 --> 01:48:26,333
See what she's

2893
01:48:26,333 --> 01:48:27,000
able to do

2894
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:28,333
and so yeah

2895
01:48:28,333 --> 01:48:29,250
It was just it

2896
01:48:29,250 --> 01:48:29,791
was wonderful to

2897
01:48:29,791 --> 01:48:30,166
have her on we

2898
01:48:30,166 --> 01:48:30,625
look at looking

2899
01:48:30,625 --> 01:48:31,125
forward to having

2900
01:48:31,125 --> 01:48:31,666
her back on

2901
01:48:31,666 --> 01:48:32,041
seeing what

2902
01:48:32,041 --> 01:48:32,625
she's able to

2903
01:48:32,625 --> 01:48:33,541
Do after she

2904
01:48:33,541 --> 01:48:33,875
moves to

2905
01:48:33,875 --> 01:48:34,625
Angola. So

2906
01:48:34,916 --> 01:48:36,083
Yeah, so that's

2907
01:48:36,083 --> 01:48:36,208
our

2908
01:48:36,208 --> 01:48:37,041
episode for today

2909
01:48:37,041 --> 01:48:37,666
We'll put all our

2910
01:48:37,666 --> 01:48:38,666
socials into her

2911
01:48:38,666 --> 01:48:39,541
new website so

2912
01:48:39,541 --> 01:48:40,083
that you can see

2913
01:48:40,083 --> 01:48:41,041
what she's what

2914
01:48:41,041 --> 01:48:41,625
she's up to

2915
01:48:41,708 --> 01:48:42,625
And of course

2916
01:48:42,625 --> 01:48:43,500
Dave if people

2917
01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:43,875
want to get a

2918
01:48:43,875 --> 01:48:44,416
hold of you, how would

2919
01:48:44,416 --> 01:48:45,083
they do that?

2920
01:48:45,333 --> 01:48:46,208
Instagram lost

2921
01:48:46,208 --> 01:48:48,000
shark guy and I

2922
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:48,625
go to go to my

2923
01:48:48,625 --> 01:48:49,291
youtube channel

2924
01:48:49,291 --> 01:48:50,583
at at lost shark

2925
01:48:50,583 --> 01:48:51,125
guy and

2926
01:48:51,125 --> 01:48:51,541
check out our

2927
01:48:52,208 --> 01:48:52,750
Documentary

2928
01:48:52,750 --> 01:48:53,125
series that

2929
01:48:53,125 --> 01:48:53,625
Andrew and I are

2930
01:48:53,625 --> 01:48:54,875
doing with the

2931
01:48:54,875 --> 01:48:55,750
knee soda my or

2932
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:56,666
searching for

2933
01:48:56,666 --> 01:48:57,250
lost sharks

2934
01:48:57,250 --> 01:48:57,833
extinct are alive

2935
01:48:58,000 --> 01:48:58,625
And we're gonna

2936
01:48:58,625 --> 01:48:59,125
have a new

2937
01:48:59,125 --> 01:48:59,708
episode up

2938
01:48:59,708 --> 01:49:00,500
very soon

2939
01:49:00,875 --> 01:49:01,541
Absolutely. If

2940
01:49:01,541 --> 01:49:02,000
people want to

2941
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:02,791
check out our

2942
01:49:02,791 --> 01:49:03,875
YouTube beyond

2943
01:49:03,875 --> 01:49:04,541
just pod and

2944
01:49:04,541 --> 01:49:05,208
Instagram beyond

2945
01:49:05,208 --> 01:49:05,791
just pod

2946
01:49:05,791 --> 01:49:06,583
Thank you so much

2947
01:49:06,583 --> 01:49:07,375
for joining us on

2948
01:49:07,375 --> 01:49:08,000
today's episode

2949
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:08,500
of the beyond

2950
01:49:08,500 --> 01:49:09,000
just podcast.

2951
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:09,625
Have a great day

2952
01:49:09,625 --> 01:49:10,083
We'll talk to you

2953
01:49:10,083 --> 01:49:11,041
next time and

2954
01:49:11,041 --> 01:49:11,250
happy

2955
01:49:11,250 --> 01:49:11,625
conservation