He Couldn’t Find a Job in Shark Science… So He Built a YouTube Channel Instead

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On today's

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episode of the

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Beyond Jaws

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podcast,

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we are going to

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be talking to

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Christian Pardon,

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who is a shark

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scientist

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from the UK,

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but also is known

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for his YouTube

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channel called

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Shark Bites.

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We're going to

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talk about his

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journey as for a

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career in

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shark science

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and how he

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started out and

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then how this

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YouTube channel

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kind of blew up

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and changed the

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way he looked at

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his career.

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We're going to

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talk all about

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that on today's

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episode of the

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Beyond Jaws pod.

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Let's

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start the show.

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Hey everybody,

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welcome back to

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another exciting

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episode of the

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Beyond Jaws

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podcast.

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I'm your co-host,

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Andrew Lewin with

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my co-host, Dr.

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David Ebert.

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Dave, are you

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ready to talk

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about YouTube as

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a way to earn

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money and do

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shark science?

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Absolutely. I'm

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looking forward

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to this one.

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I mean, yeah, he

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reached

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out to use.

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That's that's

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really cool

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because I didn't

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I was aware of

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the site, but I

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didn't really.

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I didn't know him

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at all or have

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any idea who ran

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it or anything.

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So I'm kind of

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excited about the

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whole show today.

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I've been

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following his

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YouTube channel

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for probably

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about about a

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year and a half,

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you know,

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looking at

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someone who talks

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about sharks, not

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just sharks and

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marine science,

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but marine

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science,

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like actual

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science, bringing

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in the science

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around it.

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He does it in a

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very

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entertaining way.

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His channel is

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huge. He's got

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over 180,000

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subscribers and

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he's just,

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you know,

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it's getting

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bigger and bigger

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and bigger.

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And he what I

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like is he

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injects science

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into every single

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episode, reacts

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to

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certain things,

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dispels myths

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that you see

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online, looks at

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reviews, you

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know, shark

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videos and

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everything

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like that, looks

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at how a shark

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like a shark

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demeanor can

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change, you know,

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during a video

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or during a dive

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and what to look

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out for. It's

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really

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interesting

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stuff. But what I

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what I love

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about this, what

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he's going to

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talk about today

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is how this has

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kind of changed

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life for

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his career.

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Because when he

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first graduated,

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tried to look for

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a job, couldn't

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find a job,

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started

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doing some

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YouTube videos

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and all of a

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sudden, five

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years later, he's

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like, Hey, you

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know what?

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I'm actually

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doing pretty

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well. So I can do

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really whatever I

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want after that. Or it

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gives me the

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freedom, gives

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him the freedom

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to do whatever he

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wants, which

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inspires us

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because we

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both have

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YouTube channels

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together on our

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own and that we

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want to be able

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to do the same

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thing as he does.

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So we're going to

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have him back on

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the, on the show,

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not only to just

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talk

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about, you know,

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science

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communication,

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but just talk

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about his career.

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I think this is

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an episode

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you'll hear

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in a bit where we

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could have talked

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for about three

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hours. So what do

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you say, Dave, do you want

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to get into the

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episode? Let's do

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it. All right.

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Here's the

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interview with

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Christian

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Parton talking

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about science

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communication,

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shark science,

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all the wonderful

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stuff. Enjoy.

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We'll talk

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to you after.

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Hey, Christian,

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welcome to the

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Beyond Jaws

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podcast. Are you

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ready to talk

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about shark

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science and shark

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bites? I was born

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ready, Andrew. I

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love it. Love it.

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Well, welcome to

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the Beyond Jaws

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podcast. We're

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today, we have a

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fascinating,

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rather

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interesting

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guest today.

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We have Kristin

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Parton from, from

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the United

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Kingdom, who's

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the founder of

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the

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YouTube channel

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Shark Bites. It's

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a, it's a channel

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bringing the

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latest shark

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stories from

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around the world.

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Now, Kristin has

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dedicated his

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life to the study

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and conservation

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of sharks and

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rays across

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the globe.

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And prior to

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shark base, a

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background, which

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we'll go into

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more today.

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Prior to shark

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bites, he was a

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resident shark

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scientist for the

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Daily Jaws, which

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another website

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I've seen before.

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And I had no idea

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you were

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connected to that

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one as well. It's

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a site that

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initially began

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as a as a Jaws

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fan group, which

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now has over

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90,000 followers

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from various

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social media

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channels.

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He's also worked

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for our friend

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Austin Gallagher

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at the beneath

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the waves

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organization.

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And he's Austin

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has been on the

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program as well.

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And Kristin is

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also as a

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co-founder of,

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I'm probably

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going to

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pronounce this

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wrong. Sharon.

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Sharon. Yes,

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Sharon. Well, you

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could say like,

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you could do it

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like Ozzy

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Osbourne does

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where he goes.

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Sharon. Like

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that. It sounds

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like something of

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a zen thing or

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whatever.

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But we'll get

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into that today

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too. It's a shark

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and ray

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entanglement

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network in

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collaboration

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with our friends

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at the

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Shark Trust.

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Another group,

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we've had several

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of their people

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on this, on this

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alley, alley

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hood. Now there's

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Paul Cockspin on

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the show.

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Anyway, Kristin,

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he has his

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background

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academically. He

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has a BSC in

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zoology from the

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University

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of Exeter.

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And he has a M

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for for anyways,

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a master's of

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01:04:13,458 --> 01:04:14,083
research. I'm not

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going to

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pronounce it

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01:04:14,625 --> 01:04:15,000
right. I'll let

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him figure it out

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later in

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biological

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sciences.

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01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:19,125
Also from the

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University of

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01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:20,958
Exeter. So I'm

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01:04:20,958 --> 01:04:21,375
actually really

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01:04:21,375 --> 01:04:21,625
looking forward

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to the show today

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01:04:22,541 --> 01:04:24,041
because as much

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01:04:24,041 --> 01:04:24,666
as I've seen his

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01:04:24,666 --> 01:04:25,166
website and

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01:04:25,166 --> 01:04:25,708
everything, I had

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01:04:25,708 --> 01:04:26,708
no idea about his

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01:04:26,708 --> 01:04:27,375
background or

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01:04:27,375 --> 01:04:27,583
anything.

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01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:28,666
And do I have to

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01:04:28,666 --> 01:04:29,041
say it was the

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one that said

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they would have

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this guy on the

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01:04:30,708 --> 01:04:31,708
show. Yeah. And

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01:04:31,708 --> 01:04:33,791
so, Kristin,

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01:04:34,041 --> 01:04:34,458
welcome to

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the show.

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01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:36,166
Oh, thank you so

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much, guys. You

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01:04:36,791 --> 01:04:37,583
know, I was super

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01:04:37,583 --> 01:04:38,583
happy when Andrew

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01:04:38,583 --> 01:04:39,500
just slid into my

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01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:40,250
DMS because I've

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01:04:40,250 --> 01:04:41,041
been watching the

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01:04:41,041 --> 01:04:41,666
watch of the

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01:04:41,666 --> 01:04:42,291
podcast for a

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01:04:42,291 --> 01:04:43,000
little while now.

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01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:43,333
And I was like,

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01:04:43,333 --> 01:04:44,125
we hope they

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01:04:44,125 --> 01:04:44,666
asked me to be on

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01:04:44,666 --> 01:04:45,333
it one time.

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01:04:46,541 --> 01:04:47,791
Well, it's kind

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01:04:47,791 --> 01:04:48,375
of funny too,

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01:04:48,375 --> 01:04:49,208
because the way

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01:04:49,208 --> 01:04:51,208
we met, we met in

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01:04:51,208 --> 01:04:52,458
a Facebook group,

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01:04:52,666 --> 01:04:53,208
Marine Biology.

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01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:54,458
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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01:04:54,458 --> 01:04:55,208
I've been, you

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01:04:55,208 --> 01:04:55,458
know, I've been

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01:04:55,458 --> 01:04:55,958
watching your

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01:04:55,958 --> 01:04:57,125
show for years.

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01:04:57,458 --> 01:04:59,041
And and when I

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01:04:59,041 --> 01:05:00,041
saw you post in

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01:05:00,041 --> 01:05:00,625
there, because I

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01:05:00,625 --> 01:05:01,250
post a lot in

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01:05:01,250 --> 01:05:01,750
there, too, to

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01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:02,916
share my videos

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01:05:02,916 --> 01:05:03,500
and I was like,

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01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:04,500
oh, my gosh, like

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01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:05,458
this is celebrity

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01:05:05,458 --> 01:05:06,625
here. I got to I

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01:05:06,625 --> 01:05:07,333
got to reach out

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01:05:07,333 --> 01:05:08,000
like this is

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01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:08,458
awesome.

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01:05:08,458 --> 01:05:09,208
And so when I

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01:05:09,208 --> 01:05:09,583
reached out and

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01:05:09,583 --> 01:05:09,916
you're like

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01:05:09,916 --> 01:05:10,541
reaching back and

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01:05:10,541 --> 01:05:11,208
like, oh, this is

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01:05:11,208 --> 01:05:12,541
awesome. We've

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01:05:12,541 --> 01:05:13,000
been we've been

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01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:13,541
talking. I've

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01:05:13,541 --> 01:05:13,958
been talking to

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01:05:13,958 --> 01:05:14,583
David, having won

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01:05:14,583 --> 01:05:15,166
the podcast for

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01:05:15,166 --> 01:05:15,875
for a long time.

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01:05:16,208 --> 01:05:17,583
So we are like

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01:05:17,583 --> 01:05:18,166
absolutely

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01:05:18,166 --> 01:05:19,083
excited. This is

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01:05:19,083 --> 01:05:19,875
going to be so

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01:05:19,875 --> 01:05:20,416
much. Thank you

404
01:05:20,416 --> 01:05:20,875
so much for

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01:05:20,875 --> 01:05:21,375
having me on.

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01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,500
Yeah. So so let's

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01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:24,208
let's get things

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01:05:24,208 --> 01:05:24,625
rolling here.

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01:05:24,666 --> 01:05:25,375
Like I got to ask

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01:05:25,375 --> 01:05:26,250
you our opening

411
01:05:26,250 --> 01:05:26,916
question. Like,

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01:05:26,916 --> 01:05:27,416
how did you get

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01:05:27,416 --> 01:05:28,041
interested in

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01:05:28,041 --> 01:05:29,250
sharks and marine

415
01:05:29,250 --> 01:05:31,000
science? I mean,

416
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,000
I reckon if you

417
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,833
ask a lot of

418
01:05:33,833 --> 01:05:35,666
people who are in

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01:05:35,666 --> 01:05:36,583
some way, shape

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01:05:36,583 --> 01:05:37,375
or form involved

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01:05:37,375 --> 01:05:38,000
with sharks,

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01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:38,458
they'll more

423
01:05:38,458 --> 01:05:39,083
often than not

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01:05:39,083 --> 01:05:39,708
tell you it's got

425
01:05:39,708 --> 01:05:40,708
a little bit of

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01:05:40,708 --> 01:05:41,125
something to do

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01:05:41,125 --> 01:05:41,333
with their

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01:05:41,333 --> 01:05:41,750
childhood.

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01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:42,833
And that's

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01:05:42,833 --> 01:05:43,625
definitely the

431
01:05:43,625 --> 01:05:44,375
case for me. I

432
01:05:44,375 --> 01:05:44,958
mean, I imagine

433
01:05:44,958 --> 01:05:45,458
it's the case for

434
01:05:45,458 --> 01:05:45,833
a lot of people

435
01:05:45,833 --> 01:05:47,125
as well. But I

436
01:05:47,125 --> 01:05:48,250
was that kid, you

437
01:05:48,250 --> 01:05:48,958
know, the five

438
01:05:48,958 --> 01:05:49,500
year old in the

439
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:50,208
bath playing with

440
01:05:50,208 --> 01:05:50,541
the shark.

441
01:05:50,750 --> 01:05:51,666
Like that was me.

442
01:05:52,291 --> 01:05:53,041
I love them from

443
01:05:53,041 --> 01:05:54,208
when I was tiny

444
01:05:54,208 --> 01:05:55,541
as a lot of young

445
01:05:55,541 --> 01:05:56,625
lads do like they

446
01:05:56,625 --> 01:05:57,541
just they just

447
01:05:57,541 --> 01:05:58,166
they're such an

448
01:05:58,166 --> 01:05:58,833
awesome animal.

449
01:05:58,833 --> 01:05:59,500
And they kind of

450
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:00,125
they generate

451
01:06:00,125 --> 01:06:01,541
this curiosity in

452
01:06:01,541 --> 01:06:02,333
you from such a

453
01:06:02,333 --> 01:06:02,875
young age.

454
01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:05,000
And I was lucky

455
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:05,791
enough to

456
01:06:05,791 --> 01:06:06,708
probably I think

457
01:06:06,708 --> 01:06:07,333
it was about

458
01:06:07,333 --> 01:06:09,333
maybe 13. I first

459
01:06:09,333 --> 01:06:09,875
learned how to

460
01:06:09,875 --> 01:06:11,083
scuba dive. And

461
01:06:11,083 --> 01:06:12,833
that just opened

462
01:06:12,833 --> 01:06:14,541
the world to me,

463
01:06:14,541 --> 01:06:15,000
the underwater

464
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:15,500
world to me.

465
01:06:15,541 --> 01:06:16,916
I just having

466
01:06:16,916 --> 01:06:18,500
that right front

467
01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:19,708
center was just

468
01:06:19,708 --> 01:06:20,333
something that

469
01:06:20,333 --> 01:06:20,791
completely

470
01:06:20,791 --> 01:06:21,500
changed my life.

471
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:22,083
And I was I

472
01:06:22,083 --> 01:06:22,625
remember on my

473
01:06:22,625 --> 01:06:23,541
first ever scuba

474
01:06:23,541 --> 01:06:24,125
dive, we saw an

475
01:06:24,125 --> 01:06:24,791
oceanic white tip

476
01:06:24,791 --> 01:06:25,416
shark. And it was

477
01:06:25,416 --> 01:06:26,708
just just a life

478
01:06:26,708 --> 01:06:27,041
changing

479
01:06:27,041 --> 01:06:27,875
experience.

480
01:06:27,875 --> 01:06:28,500
And quite the

481
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:29,208
first time I

482
01:06:29,208 --> 01:06:29,958
know, right. I

483
01:06:29,958 --> 01:06:30,625
know. I've never

484
01:06:30,625 --> 01:06:31,416
seen one since

485
01:06:31,416 --> 01:06:32,166
it's the funniest

486
01:06:32,166 --> 01:06:32,916
thing, my first

487
01:06:32,916 --> 01:06:33,791
ever dive. It's

488
01:06:33,791 --> 01:06:34,708
crazy. And it was

489
01:06:34,708 --> 01:06:35,333
pretty rare for

490
01:06:35,333 --> 01:06:36,041
the area as well,

491
01:06:36,041 --> 01:06:36,958
which was even

492
01:06:36,958 --> 01:06:38,458
even cooler. But

493
01:06:38,458 --> 01:06:39,416
but yeah, that

494
01:06:39,416 --> 01:06:40,250
was my dad. My

495
01:06:40,250 --> 01:06:41,041
dad came down

496
01:06:41,041 --> 01:06:41,333
with me.

497
01:06:41,375 --> 01:06:42,041
And I was I was

498
01:06:42,041 --> 01:06:42,916
with an with an

499
01:06:42,916 --> 01:06:43,500
instructor. And

500
01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:44,375
it was one of

501
01:06:44,375 --> 01:06:44,958
those like

502
01:06:44,958 --> 01:06:47,291
discover scuba

503
01:06:47,291 --> 01:06:48,000
things, you know,

504
01:06:48,208 --> 01:06:48,625
well, it just the

505
01:06:48,625 --> 01:06:49,208
instructor takes

506
01:06:49,208 --> 01:06:49,708
you down. But

507
01:06:49,708 --> 01:06:50,666
yeah, we saw we

508
01:06:50,666 --> 01:06:51,375
saw oceanic white

509
01:06:51,375 --> 01:06:52,541
tip and it was

510
01:06:52,541 --> 01:06:53,916
just that moment

511
01:06:53,916 --> 01:06:54,708
when you have

512
01:06:54,708 --> 01:06:56,000
that animal just

513
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,666
come cruising

514
01:06:57,666 --> 01:06:59,083
past and it kind

515
01:06:59,083 --> 01:06:59,500
of checks

516
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:00,166
you out.

517
01:07:00,333 --> 01:07:01,000
And then it just

518
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,041
heads off and I

519
01:07:02,041 --> 01:07:03,000
just the images

520
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,208
just burn into my

521
01:07:04,208 --> 01:07:05,666
brain. I'll never

522
01:07:05,666 --> 01:07:06,291
forget it. I'm

523
01:07:06,291 --> 01:07:07,000
never ever forget

524
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:07,500
it. And it just

525
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:08,333
set me on that

526
01:07:08,333 --> 01:07:09,000
path where I was

527
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,000
like, I want to

528
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,041
do everything in

529
01:07:12,041 --> 01:07:13,916
my power in any

530
01:07:13,916 --> 01:07:14,416
way, shape or

531
01:07:14,416 --> 01:07:15,250
form to work with

532
01:07:15,250 --> 01:07:15,833
these animals,

533
01:07:15,833 --> 01:07:16,541
whatever it is. I

534
01:07:16,541 --> 01:07:17,000
want to do it.

535
01:07:17,166 --> 01:07:17,833
Right. Yeah. Did

536
01:07:17,833 --> 01:07:18,375
you? Now, did you

537
01:07:18,375 --> 01:07:19,000
did you grow up

538
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:19,541
near the ocean?

539
01:07:20,166 --> 01:07:21,666
So no, if only

540
01:07:21,666 --> 01:07:22,125
enough. I mean,

541
01:07:22,125 --> 01:07:22,625
the UK is

542
01:07:22,625 --> 01:07:23,583
obviously not a

543
01:07:23,583 --> 01:07:24,500
not a

544
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:25,291
particularly big

545
01:07:25,291 --> 01:07:25,791
place. So you

546
01:07:25,791 --> 01:07:26,500
don't have to go

547
01:07:26,500 --> 01:07:27,500
too far to get to

548
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:27,708
the ocean.

549
01:07:27,791 --> 01:07:28,875
But I couldn't

550
01:07:28,875 --> 01:07:29,625
have been further

551
01:07:29,625 --> 01:07:30,500
away from the

552
01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:31,666
ocean where I

553
01:07:31,666 --> 01:07:32,416
grew up. It was

554
01:07:32,416 --> 01:07:34,541
just north of a

555
01:07:34,541 --> 01:07:35,000
city called

556
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:35,625
Birmingham. So

557
01:07:35,625 --> 01:07:36,708
slap bang right

558
01:07:36,708 --> 01:07:37,208
in the middle of

559
01:07:37,208 --> 01:07:39,208
the UK. So yeah,

560
01:07:39,208 --> 01:07:39,875
I was I was

561
01:07:39,875 --> 01:07:40,625
really far,

562
01:07:40,625 --> 01:07:41,375
really, really

563
01:07:41,375 --> 01:07:42,000
far from

564
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:42,750
from the UK.

565
01:07:42,750 --> 01:07:44,291
But as a family,

566
01:07:44,291 --> 01:07:45,875
we used to go on

567
01:07:45,875 --> 01:07:46,708
holidays all the

568
01:07:46,708 --> 01:07:47,791
time down to

569
01:07:47,791 --> 01:07:48,500
Cornwall, which

570
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:49,000
is where I live

571
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,458
now. And that is

572
01:07:50,458 --> 01:07:52,375
a beautiful part

573
01:07:52,375 --> 01:07:54,000
of of England. I

574
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,208
think more more

575
01:07:55,208 --> 01:07:56,333
people who come

576
01:07:56,333 --> 01:07:56,875
to visit England

577
01:07:56,875 --> 01:07:57,375
should come down

578
01:07:57,375 --> 01:07:57,750
to Cornwall

579
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:58,708
because it's just

580
01:07:58,708 --> 01:07:59,375
it's just a

581
01:07:59,375 --> 01:07:59,875
beautiful place

582
01:07:59,875 --> 01:08:00,125
to live.

583
01:08:00,416 --> 01:08:00,708
I've actually

584
01:08:00,708 --> 01:08:01,250
been there so I

585
01:08:01,250 --> 01:08:02,083
can attest to

586
01:08:02,083 --> 01:08:03,416
that. So so

587
01:08:03,416 --> 01:08:04,375
awesome. Yeah.

588
01:08:04,541 --> 01:08:04,750
Did you

589
01:08:04,750 --> 01:08:05,250
whereabouts you

590
01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:06,000
went about to go,

591
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:06,500
Dave? Can you

592
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:07,625
remember? Yeah,

593
01:08:07,625 --> 01:08:08,083
I'm trying to

594
01:08:08,083 --> 01:08:08,500
remember the guy.

595
01:08:08,916 --> 01:08:09,708
Well, Mark Mark

596
01:08:09,708 --> 01:08:10,833
Dando lives there

597
01:08:10,833 --> 01:08:11,208
in Plymouth.

598
01:08:11,250 --> 01:08:13,166
OK, yeah. So I go

599
01:08:13,166 --> 01:08:13,666
down and he does

600
01:08:13,666 --> 01:08:14,375
the illustrations

601
01:08:14,375 --> 01:08:16,041
for the books him

602
01:08:16,041 --> 01:08:16,291
and I

603
01:08:16,291 --> 01:08:16,791
collaborating a

604
01:08:16,791 --> 01:08:18,083
lot. Yeah. And I

605
01:08:18,083 --> 01:08:18,708
was out visiting

606
01:08:18,708 --> 01:08:19,416
him. I was

607
01:08:19,416 --> 01:08:20,166
probably 10 years

608
01:08:20,166 --> 01:08:21,416
ago now. We went

609
01:08:21,416 --> 01:08:21,833
out there and

610
01:08:21,833 --> 01:08:22,750
there's a guy who

611
01:08:22,750 --> 01:08:23,750
who who's a

612
01:08:23,750 --> 01:08:24,583
writer who lives

613
01:08:24,583 --> 01:08:26,083
in Cornwall. And

614
01:08:26,083 --> 01:08:27,708
we went to a I'm

615
01:08:27,708 --> 01:08:28,625
trying to jog my

616
01:08:28,625 --> 01:08:29,208
memory of the name of the place.

617
01:08:29,250 --> 01:08:30,333
There's the first

618
01:08:30,333 --> 01:08:30,875
time I've been to

619
01:08:30,875 --> 01:08:31,583
down to Cornwall,

620
01:08:31,583 --> 01:08:31,916
but there's a

621
01:08:31,916 --> 01:08:32,333
there's an

622
01:08:32,333 --> 01:08:33,250
amazing pub there

623
01:08:33,250 --> 01:08:33,625
that was just

624
01:08:33,625 --> 01:08:34,958
such a traditional

625
01:08:34,958 --> 01:08:35,958
English pub.

626
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:37,166
Yeah, I forget. I

627
01:08:37,166 --> 01:08:37,666
forget the name

628
01:08:37,666 --> 01:08:38,916
of the guy. I've

629
01:08:38,916 --> 01:08:39,500
known this guy

630
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:40,166
for a while. I

631
01:08:40,166 --> 01:08:40,875
forgot I haven't

632
01:08:40,875 --> 01:08:41,416
thought about him

633
01:08:41,416 --> 01:08:42,166
till he brought

634
01:08:42,166 --> 01:08:42,875
this up. But

635
01:08:42,875 --> 01:08:44,125
yeah, I can

636
01:08:44,125 --> 01:08:44,750
attest. Cornwall

637
01:08:44,750 --> 01:08:45,541
was beautiful. I

638
01:08:45,541 --> 01:08:46,166
really enjoyed

639
01:08:46,166 --> 01:08:46,750
the trip down

640
01:08:46,750 --> 01:08:47,500
there. It was

641
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:48,375
amazing pub. We

642
01:08:48,375 --> 01:08:49,125
went to like for

643
01:08:49,125 --> 01:08:49,541
me, it was just

644
01:08:49,541 --> 01:08:49,791
like a

645
01:08:49,791 --> 01:08:50,208
traditional

646
01:08:50,208 --> 01:08:51,625
English pub. We

647
01:08:51,625 --> 01:08:52,625
had the whole the

648
01:08:52,625 --> 01:08:53,666
whole nine yards,

649
01:08:53,666 --> 01:08:54,250
the bangers and

650
01:08:54,250 --> 01:08:55,208
mash and all the

651
01:08:55,208 --> 01:08:57,083
usual. Yeah,

652
01:08:57,083 --> 01:08:58,166
pints pints and

653
01:08:58,166 --> 01:08:59,000
fish and chips.

654
01:08:59,000 --> 01:08:59,500
And the bangers

655
01:08:59,500 --> 01:09:00,208
and mash and all

656
01:09:00,208 --> 01:09:01,333
sorts. Yeah.

657
01:09:01,958 --> 01:09:03,208
Yeah. And so,

658
01:09:03,208 --> 01:09:03,625
yeah, it's

659
01:09:03,625 --> 01:09:04,500
definitely a good

660
01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:06,041
place to say it's

661
01:09:06,041 --> 01:09:06,708
a pretty place. I

662
01:09:06,708 --> 01:09:07,583
definitely. Oh,

663
01:09:07,583 --> 01:09:08,250
and do you know

664
01:09:08,250 --> 01:09:08,791
what? The great

665
01:09:08,791 --> 01:09:09,458
thing as well is

666
01:09:09,458 --> 01:09:10,416
we we we get

667
01:09:10,416 --> 01:09:10,916
sharks here,

668
01:09:10,916 --> 01:09:11,583
which is awesome.

669
01:09:11,583 --> 01:09:13,000
I mean, lots of

670
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:13,458
people that I

671
01:09:13,458 --> 01:09:13,875
speak to

672
01:09:13,875 --> 01:09:15,416
sometimes forget

673
01:09:15,416 --> 01:09:17,041
that I could

674
01:09:17,041 --> 01:09:17,666
literally swim

675
01:09:17,666 --> 01:09:19,041
out off the beach

676
01:09:19,041 --> 01:09:20,000
from here where I

677
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:20,583
live in Falmouth

678
01:09:20,583 --> 01:09:21,833
and probably see

679
01:09:21,833 --> 01:09:22,500
a shark, which is

680
01:09:22,500 --> 01:09:23,458
really cool. You

681
01:09:23,458 --> 01:09:24,166
know who else

682
01:09:24,166 --> 01:09:24,833
lives down your

683
01:09:24,833 --> 01:09:25,916
way is. Do you

684
01:09:25,916 --> 01:09:26,666
know John who

685
01:09:26,666 --> 01:09:27,458
John Stevens is?

686
01:09:28,208 --> 01:09:28,791
John Stevens, the

687
01:09:28,791 --> 01:09:29,416
name does ring a

688
01:09:29,416 --> 01:09:30,208
bell. He was

689
01:09:30,208 --> 01:09:31,083
well, he worked.

690
01:09:31,083 --> 01:09:31,625
He did. He most

691
01:09:31,625 --> 01:09:32,166
of his career. He

692
01:09:32,166 --> 01:09:33,333
spent working for

693
01:09:33,333 --> 01:09:35,333
CSRO in

694
01:09:35,333 --> 01:09:36,416
Australia. Okay.

695
01:09:36,416 --> 01:09:37,291
Yeah. Yeah. But

696
01:09:37,291 --> 01:09:37,833
he's originally

697
01:09:37,833 --> 01:09:38,375
from Plymouth.

698
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,416
How is he? Yeah,

699
01:09:40,416 --> 01:09:41,333
he retired. John

700
01:09:41,333 --> 01:09:42,166
retired about

701
01:09:42,166 --> 01:09:42,791
Christ been

702
01:09:42,791 --> 01:09:43,791
almost 15 years

703
01:09:43,791 --> 01:09:44,583
now. He retired

704
01:09:44,583 --> 01:09:46,166
from CSRO. And so

705
01:09:46,166 --> 01:09:46,833
he spends half

706
01:09:46,833 --> 01:09:47,500
the year in

707
01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:48,625
Plymouth and half

708
01:09:48,625 --> 01:09:49,166
the year in

709
01:09:49,166 --> 01:09:50,333
Tasmania. He

710
01:09:50,333 --> 01:09:50,916
literally lives

711
01:09:50,916 --> 01:09:51,625
the endless

712
01:09:51,625 --> 01:09:53,000
summer. Yeah,

713
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,000
that is that's

714
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:54,875
the dream right

715
01:09:54,875 --> 01:09:55,333
there. That's the

716
01:09:55,333 --> 01:09:56,166
dream. Yeah.

717
01:09:56,916 --> 01:09:57,791
John John wrote

718
01:09:57,791 --> 01:09:58,666
the he co-wrote

719
01:09:58,666 --> 01:09:59,833
the sharks and

720
01:09:59,833 --> 01:10:00,166
rays of

721
01:10:00,166 --> 01:10:01,125
Australia, which

722
01:10:01,125 --> 01:10:02,416
is a massive tome

723
01:10:02,416 --> 01:10:02,958
originally in

724
01:10:02,958 --> 01:10:04,041
1994. And then he

725
01:10:04,041 --> 01:10:05,250
did a re re

726
01:10:05,250 --> 01:10:06,500
publication of it

727
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:07,541
in a new version

728
01:10:07,541 --> 01:10:09,250
in 2009. But

729
01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:10,416
anyway, yeah,

730
01:10:10,416 --> 01:10:10,875
John's one of the

731
01:10:10,875 --> 01:10:11,500
legends in the

732
01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:12,041
field. If you

733
01:10:12,041 --> 01:10:13,000
ever have a

734
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:13,500
chance to meet

735
01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:14,916
him, he's a man.

736
01:10:14,916 --> 01:10:15,208
He's like a

737
01:10:15,208 --> 01:10:15,458
walking

738
01:10:15,458 --> 01:10:16,166
encyclopedia.

739
01:10:16,166 --> 01:10:18,083
Yeah, guys. But

740
01:10:18,083 --> 01:10:19,458
yeah, he retired

741
01:10:19,458 --> 01:10:20,666
about probably

742
01:10:20,666 --> 01:10:21,458
close 15 years

743
01:10:21,458 --> 01:10:22,875
ago now. But a

744
01:10:22,875 --> 01:10:23,250
lot of cool

745
01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:23,750
people in

746
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:24,458
Plymouth as well.

747
01:10:24,458 --> 01:10:25,166
Like you got the

748
01:10:25,166 --> 01:10:25,625
sharp trust

749
01:10:25,625 --> 01:10:26,291
base there.

750
01:10:26,375 --> 01:10:27,791
Yeah, David Sims,

751
01:10:27,791 --> 01:10:29,000
I think was was

752
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,000
was in. Yeah, he

753
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:31,916
was there. I

754
01:10:31,916 --> 01:10:32,458
don't think he's

755
01:10:32,458 --> 01:10:32,958
still there as

756
01:10:32,958 --> 01:10:33,791
far as I probably

757
01:10:33,791 --> 01:10:35,416
I am not sure why

758
01:10:35,416 --> 01:10:36,291
I mean, I visited

759
01:10:36,291 --> 01:10:37,833
with Paul Cox and

760
01:10:37,833 --> 01:10:38,833
Allie Hood crew

761
01:10:38,833 --> 01:10:40,458
down there at the

762
01:10:40,458 --> 01:10:41,166
shark trust and

763
01:10:41,166 --> 01:10:42,000
everything. So

764
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:42,791
yeah, it's

765
01:10:42,791 --> 01:10:43,250
definitely a nice

766
01:10:43,250 --> 01:10:43,750
part of the

767
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:44,333
country to go

768
01:10:44,333 --> 01:10:45,041
when you're here

769
01:10:45,041 --> 01:10:46,166
in the UK. It's a

770
01:10:46,166 --> 01:10:47,041
nice place to go.

771
01:10:47,291 --> 01:10:48,666
It's just a bit

772
01:10:48,666 --> 01:10:49,583
of a trek, isn't

773
01:10:49,583 --> 01:10:51,125
it? Like a lot of

774
01:10:51,125 --> 01:10:51,625
people go into

775
01:10:51,625 --> 01:10:52,166
London, they

776
01:10:52,166 --> 01:10:52,625
stick around

777
01:10:52,625 --> 01:10:53,375
London and maybe

778
01:10:53,375 --> 01:10:53,875
the countryside

779
01:10:53,875 --> 01:10:54,750
around it. But

780
01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:55,500
you know, to get

781
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:55,833
down to

782
01:10:55,833 --> 01:10:56,333
Cornwall, it's a

783
01:10:56,375 --> 01:10:57,000
little bit of a

784
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,625
trek. But like a

785
01:10:58,625 --> 01:10:59,458
drive from London

786
01:10:59,458 --> 01:11:00,250
down to if you

787
01:11:00,250 --> 01:11:01,416
drove from from

788
01:11:01,416 --> 01:11:02,000
London, you're

789
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:02,541
probably talking

790
01:11:02,541 --> 01:11:03,458
about six hours

791
01:11:03,458 --> 01:11:04,083
about the same

792
01:11:04,083 --> 01:11:04,458
time on the

793
01:11:04,458 --> 01:11:05,041
train, but you

794
01:11:05,041 --> 01:11:06,125
can fly down so

795
01:11:06,125 --> 01:11:07,166
you can fly from

796
01:11:07,166 --> 01:11:08,041
Heathrow Airport

797
01:11:08,041 --> 01:11:08,750
and you'll fly

798
01:11:08,750 --> 01:11:09,500
into Nuki Airport

799
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:10,250
and flights only

800
01:11:10,250 --> 01:11:11,250
about 45 minutes.

801
01:11:11,250 --> 01:11:11,708
It's not

802
01:11:11,708 --> 01:11:12,791
that far to lie.

803
01:11:13,083 --> 01:11:13,625
Up and down.

804
01:11:13,625 --> 01:11:13,958
You're good.

805
01:11:14,208 --> 01:11:14,916
Yeah, I think

806
01:11:14,916 --> 01:11:15,416
Cornwall, I

807
01:11:15,416 --> 01:11:15,875
forget, but I

808
01:11:15,875 --> 01:11:16,541
think Plymouth

809
01:11:16,541 --> 01:11:17,083
was about three

810
01:11:17,083 --> 01:11:17,791
or four hours

811
01:11:17,791 --> 01:11:18,416
drive. Yeah.

812
01:11:18,958 --> 01:11:19,500
Yeah. I mean,

813
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:20,250
where I am, you

814
01:11:20,250 --> 01:11:20,791
just it just

815
01:11:20,791 --> 01:11:21,625
keeps going down.

816
01:11:21,625 --> 01:11:22,000
You just keep

817
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:22,500
going down.

818
01:11:23,250 --> 01:11:23,666
Right. Yeah.

819
01:11:23,666 --> 01:11:24,166
Yeah. I mean, I

820
01:11:24,166 --> 01:11:24,583
went down to

821
01:11:24,583 --> 01:11:25,125
Plymouth. Then we

822
01:11:25,125 --> 01:11:25,791
just went did a

823
01:11:25,791 --> 01:11:26,333
day trip down to the airport.

824
01:11:26,375 --> 01:11:26,833
And then we went down to Cornwall.

825
01:11:27,083 --> 01:11:27,750
So but actually

826
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:28,166
another person

827
01:11:28,166 --> 01:11:28,791
kind of

828
01:11:28,791 --> 01:11:29,250
reminiscing we

829
01:11:29,250 --> 01:11:30,000
got Sarah Fowler

830
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,375
lives. Oh, yeah.

831
01:11:31,375 --> 01:11:32,208
Yeah. Yeah. And

832
01:11:32,208 --> 01:11:32,750
Plymouth there as

833
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:33,583
well. Another has

834
01:11:33,583 --> 01:11:34,291
been on the show

835
01:11:34,291 --> 01:11:36,458
as well. So

836
01:11:36,458 --> 01:11:37,416
you're kind of in

837
01:11:37,416 --> 01:11:39,041
a hotbed of shark

838
01:11:39,041 --> 01:11:39,833
people here. I

839
01:11:39,833 --> 01:11:40,875
had no idea. Like

840
01:11:40,875 --> 01:11:41,666
so you're kind of

841
01:11:41,666 --> 01:11:43,208
in a was this

842
01:11:43,208 --> 01:11:43,708
strategically

843
01:11:43,708 --> 01:11:45,000
planned to wind

844
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,125
up in Cornwall in

845
01:11:47,125 --> 01:11:48,375
a hot? Well, I

846
01:11:48,375 --> 01:11:49,833
mean, we we were

847
01:11:49,833 --> 01:11:51,291
as as a family,

848
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:51,958
you know, my

849
01:11:51,958 --> 01:11:53,000
parents took me

850
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:53,875
down to Cornwall

851
01:11:53,875 --> 01:11:55,500
ever since I can

852
01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:56,291
ever remember.

853
01:11:56,375 --> 01:11:57,541
So I had that I

854
01:11:57,541 --> 01:11:58,125
already had a bit

855
01:11:58,125 --> 01:11:59,041
of an affinity to

856
01:11:59,041 --> 01:11:59,625
the place because

857
01:11:59,625 --> 01:12:00,625
I knew I knew

858
01:12:00,625 --> 01:12:01,083
some places

859
01:12:01,083 --> 01:12:01,541
around Cornwall.

860
01:12:01,833 --> 01:12:03,083
But the main

861
01:12:03,083 --> 01:12:04,041
reason that I

862
01:12:04,041 --> 01:12:04,500
ended up down

863
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:05,791
here was was was

864
01:12:05,791 --> 01:12:06,041
coming to

865
01:12:06,041 --> 01:12:06,666
university here.

866
01:12:06,958 --> 01:12:08,250
So the University

867
01:12:08,250 --> 01:12:09,083
of Exeter, extra

868
01:12:09,083 --> 01:12:09,750
technically is a

869
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:10,000
little bit

870
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:10,500
further up the

871
01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:11,166
country. But the

872
01:12:11,166 --> 01:12:11,958
campus that I was

873
01:12:11,958 --> 01:12:12,708
at was the Penrin

874
01:12:12,708 --> 01:12:13,708
campus, which is

875
01:12:13,708 --> 01:12:14,500
here in Falmouth,

876
01:12:14,833 --> 01:12:16,250
Danikle. So yeah,

877
01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:16,708
it's kind of like

878
01:12:16,708 --> 01:12:17,750
a split campus.

879
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:18,375
So extra the

880
01:12:18,375 --> 01:12:19,125
Strepham campuses

881
01:12:19,125 --> 01:12:20,000
is up sort of

882
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,041
Devon way. And

883
01:12:21,041 --> 01:12:22,208
then, yeah, the

884
01:12:22,208 --> 01:12:22,833
Penrin campuses

885
01:12:22,833 --> 01:12:24,041
is down here in

886
01:12:24,041 --> 01:12:25,083
in Falmouth. So.

887
01:12:25,416 --> 01:12:26,875
Now, Exeter has

888
01:12:26,875 --> 01:12:27,833
some pretty big

889
01:12:27,833 --> 01:12:29,000
celebrities that

890
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:29,583
have got Peter

891
01:12:29,583 --> 01:12:30,875
Mumbi is one that

892
01:12:30,875 --> 01:12:31,458
comes to mind.

893
01:12:31,708 --> 01:12:33,625
He's he's now in

894
01:12:33,625 --> 01:12:34,833
University of

895
01:12:34,833 --> 01:12:35,583
Queensland, I

896
01:12:35,583 --> 01:12:36,916
think, or he's in

897
01:12:36,916 --> 01:12:38,291
Brisbane. But but

898
01:12:38,291 --> 01:12:39,083
he I remember

899
01:12:39,083 --> 01:12:39,625
that's where I

900
01:12:39,625 --> 01:12:40,375
first learned of

901
01:12:40,375 --> 01:12:41,000
the University of

902
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:41,458
Exeter. But

903
01:12:41,458 --> 01:12:41,916
there's been a

904
01:12:41,916 --> 01:12:42,791
lot of great

905
01:12:42,791 --> 01:12:43,875
scientists that

906
01:12:43,875 --> 01:12:44,458
have come out

907
01:12:44,458 --> 01:12:44,833
there that

908
01:12:44,833 --> 01:12:45,375
continue to

909
01:12:45,375 --> 01:12:45,916
work there.

910
01:12:46,708 --> 01:12:48,500
Was that when you

911
01:12:48,500 --> 01:12:49,125
went to that

912
01:12:49,125 --> 01:12:50,000
university, was

913
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:50,708
that something

914
01:12:50,708 --> 01:12:51,541
that appealed to

915
01:12:51,541 --> 01:12:52,833
you? Or was it

916
01:12:52,833 --> 01:12:53,333
just always

917
01:12:53,333 --> 01:12:54,500
strong in marine

918
01:12:54,500 --> 01:12:55,958
science? I think

919
01:12:55,958 --> 01:12:56,958
I initially I

920
01:12:56,958 --> 01:12:57,750
looked at it as

921
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:58,458
because I went to

922
01:12:58,458 --> 01:12:59,208
look at a bunch

923
01:12:59,208 --> 01:12:59,916
of different news

924
01:12:59,916 --> 01:13:01,708
and had a few

925
01:13:01,708 --> 01:13:02,458
that I was

926
01:13:02,458 --> 01:13:03,125
considering. But

927
01:13:03,125 --> 01:13:04,791
when I came down

928
01:13:04,791 --> 01:13:05,500
here already

929
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:06,500
knowing Cornwall

930
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:07,666
as a place, but

931
01:13:07,666 --> 01:13:08,208
then coming to

932
01:13:08,208 --> 01:13:08,708
the university

933
01:13:08,708 --> 01:13:09,916
and seeing some

934
01:13:09,916 --> 01:13:10,375
of the lectures

935
01:13:10,375 --> 01:13:11,291
and seeing some

936
01:13:11,291 --> 01:13:11,875
of the facilities

937
01:13:11,875 --> 01:13:12,416
that they had.

938
01:13:12,416 --> 01:13:12,750
And I was just

939
01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:14,250
like, I don't

940
01:13:14,250 --> 01:13:14,750
even want to go

941
01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:15,166
anywhere else.

942
01:13:15,166 --> 01:13:15,583
This is where I

943
01:13:15,583 --> 01:13:15,958
want to go.

944
01:13:15,958 --> 01:13:16,583
I remember coming

945
01:13:16,583 --> 01:13:18,625
to the day I

946
01:13:18,625 --> 01:13:18,916
can't remember

947
01:13:18,916 --> 01:13:19,416
what it is where

948
01:13:19,416 --> 01:13:20,291
you look around

949
01:13:20,291 --> 01:13:22,083
for the day. And

950
01:13:22,083 --> 01:13:22,666
at that point, I

951
01:13:22,666 --> 01:13:23,708
hadn't hadn't had

952
01:13:23,708 --> 01:13:24,166
my A level

953
01:13:24,166 --> 01:13:25,000
results yet. So I

954
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:25,375
didn't know

955
01:13:25,375 --> 01:13:25,875
whether I'd got

956
01:13:25,875 --> 01:13:29,375
the scores or

957
01:13:29,375 --> 01:13:29,875
whatever it was

958
01:13:29,875 --> 01:13:30,500
to get into the

959
01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:31,833
uni. But I was

960
01:13:31,833 --> 01:13:32,708
like, I know,

961
01:13:32,708 --> 01:13:33,083
I've got to go

962
01:13:33,083 --> 01:13:33,708
here. This is

963
01:13:33,708 --> 01:13:34,291
this is where I

964
01:13:34,291 --> 01:13:34,625
want to go. I

965
01:13:34,625 --> 01:13:34,916
don't want to go

966
01:13:34,916 --> 01:13:35,833
anywhere else. So

967
01:13:35,833 --> 01:13:37,166
at that point in

968
01:13:37,166 --> 01:13:38,000
time, though,

969
01:13:38,791 --> 01:13:39,666
their sort of

970
01:13:39,666 --> 01:13:40,958
marine department

971
01:13:40,958 --> 01:13:42,541
wasn't really

972
01:13:42,541 --> 01:13:43,458
properly fully

973
01:13:43,458 --> 01:13:43,958
fledged yet.

974
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,916
It was only as I

975
01:13:45,916 --> 01:13:46,625
was sort of going

976
01:13:46,625 --> 01:13:47,125
back probably

977
01:13:47,125 --> 01:13:47,583
about midway

978
01:13:47,583 --> 01:13:49,000
through my

979
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:49,541
undergraduate

980
01:13:49,541 --> 01:13:51,250
degree, the sort

981
01:13:51,250 --> 01:13:51,625
of marine

982
01:13:51,625 --> 01:13:52,625
department really

983
01:13:52,625 --> 01:13:54,583
started to grow

984
01:13:54,583 --> 01:13:55,125
quite

985
01:13:55,125 --> 01:13:55,666
considerably.

986
01:13:55,666 --> 01:13:56,250
There's a lot of

987
01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:57,208
there was a lot

988
01:13:57,208 --> 01:13:57,625
of turtle

989
01:13:57,625 --> 01:13:58,916
researchers. So

990
01:13:58,916 --> 01:14:00,375
Brendan Godley,

991
01:14:00,375 --> 01:14:01,333
who was my

992
01:14:01,333 --> 01:14:02,375
supervisor and

993
01:14:02,375 --> 01:14:03,500
good friend, he

994
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:04,333
really

995
01:14:04,333 --> 01:14:04,750
specialized

996
01:14:04,750 --> 01:14:05,291
around turtles.

997
01:14:05,541 --> 01:14:06,500
But so there was

998
01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:07,083
a lot of turtle

999
01:14:07,083 --> 01:14:07,625
people at the

1000
01:14:07,625 --> 01:14:08,708
Uni, but not that

1001
01:14:08,708 --> 01:14:09,125
many sharp

1002
01:14:09,125 --> 01:14:10,166
people. And then

1003
01:14:10,166 --> 01:14:10,791
it just started

1004
01:14:10,791 --> 01:14:11,666
to grow a little

1005
01:14:11,666 --> 01:14:12,666
bit. And now

1006
01:14:12,666 --> 01:14:14,333
Exeter Marine is

1007
01:14:14,333 --> 01:14:16,208
quite a is quite

1008
01:14:16,208 --> 01:14:17,291
a sort of place.

1009
01:14:17,291 --> 01:14:17,666
People people

1010
01:14:17,666 --> 01:14:18,166
look at the field

1011
01:14:18,166 --> 01:14:18,666
courses, they

1012
01:14:18,666 --> 01:14:18,916
look at the

1013
01:14:18,916 --> 01:14:19,500
lectures, they

1014
01:14:19,500 --> 01:14:20,041
look at the

1015
01:14:20,041 --> 01:14:21,083
course content

1016
01:14:21,083 --> 01:14:22,500
and go, well,

1017
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:23,000
that's that's

1018
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:23,750
that's a that's a

1019
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:24,583
cool place to go.

1020
01:14:24,916 --> 01:14:25,541
Yeah, I can

1021
01:14:25,541 --> 01:14:26,000
imagine.

1022
01:14:26,458 --> 01:14:27,041
We've had a few

1023
01:14:27,041 --> 01:14:27,458
people on the

1024
01:14:27,458 --> 01:14:28,041
show and who have

1025
01:14:28,041 --> 01:14:28,291
been to

1026
01:14:28,291 --> 01:14:28,916
University of

1027
01:14:28,916 --> 01:14:29,708
Exeter. I think

1028
01:14:29,708 --> 01:14:30,916
you had a Joanna

1029
01:14:30,916 --> 01:14:32,666
Alfaro has been

1030
01:14:32,666 --> 01:14:33,083
it was on the

1031
01:14:33,083 --> 01:14:34,041
show from a crew.

1032
01:14:34,041 --> 01:14:34,666
She was she went

1033
01:14:34,666 --> 01:14:35,041
there. And I

1034
01:14:35,041 --> 01:14:36,500
think Rachel

1035
01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:37,583
Rachel Graham,

1036
01:14:37,583 --> 01:14:37,875
we'll have to

1037
01:14:37,875 --> 01:14:38,416
check with her. I

1038
01:14:38,416 --> 01:14:38,833
think she might

1039
01:14:38,833 --> 01:14:39,083
have gone

1040
01:14:39,083 --> 01:14:39,666
there, too.

1041
01:14:40,750 --> 01:14:41,333
Anyway, you had a

1042
01:14:41,333 --> 01:14:41,833
number of people

1043
01:14:41,833 --> 01:14:42,916
that were that

1044
01:14:42,916 --> 01:14:43,500
we've had on the

1045
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:44,458
show. It's quite

1046
01:14:44,458 --> 01:14:45,083
I don't I didn't

1047
01:14:45,083 --> 01:14:45,666
know much about

1048
01:14:45,666 --> 01:14:47,000
her, like talking

1049
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:47,833
to you and stuff.

1050
01:14:47,833 --> 01:14:49,000
It comes up. It's

1051
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:49,250
one of the

1052
01:14:49,250 --> 01:14:50,000
universities in

1053
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:50,500
England that

1054
01:14:50,500 --> 01:14:51,166
comes up quite

1055
01:14:51,166 --> 01:14:51,416
quite

1056
01:14:51,416 --> 01:14:52,333
frequently. Yeah.

1057
01:14:52,916 --> 01:14:53,458
Yeah. So

1058
01:14:53,458 --> 01:14:53,708
hopefully

1059
01:14:53,708 --> 01:14:54,583
Cornwall and

1060
01:14:54,583 --> 01:14:55,333
Exeter will give

1061
01:14:55,333 --> 01:14:55,833
us like, oh,

1062
01:14:55,833 --> 01:14:56,708
maybe maybe help

1063
01:14:56,708 --> 01:14:57,291
sponsor some

1064
01:14:57,291 --> 01:14:58,125
shows. Right.

1065
01:15:00,166 --> 01:15:00,791
I want to get

1066
01:15:00,791 --> 01:15:01,500
paid paid

1067
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:02,041
for that.

1068
01:15:02,791 --> 01:15:03,500
Yeah, exactly.

1069
01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:05,000
Extra promotion.

1070
01:15:05,458 --> 01:15:06,041
Swing by the

1071
01:15:06,041 --> 01:15:06,666
tourist office

1072
01:15:06,666 --> 01:15:07,333
today and like

1073
01:15:07,333 --> 01:15:09,500
tell me you got a

1074
01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:10,000
hot scoop

1075
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:10,333
for him.

1076
01:15:10,333 --> 01:15:11,041
Yeah, Brendan, if

1077
01:15:11,041 --> 01:15:11,583
you're watching,

1078
01:15:11,833 --> 01:15:12,708
I want some

1079
01:15:12,708 --> 01:15:13,458
royalties there.

1080
01:15:13,791 --> 01:15:16,000
But you mentioned

1081
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:16,458
earlier,

1082
01:15:16,458 --> 01:15:16,791
Christian, that

1083
01:15:16,791 --> 01:15:17,625
like you swim out

1084
01:15:17,625 --> 01:15:18,166
from the beach

1085
01:15:18,166 --> 01:15:18,708
and you can

1086
01:15:18,708 --> 01:15:19,291
probably bump

1087
01:15:19,291 --> 01:15:19,958
into a shark.

1088
01:15:20,125 --> 01:15:21,833
Yeah. Is that a

1089
01:15:21,833 --> 01:15:22,416
known thing?

1090
01:15:22,625 --> 01:15:22,875
Because, you

1091
01:15:22,875 --> 01:15:23,250
know, when you

1092
01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:23,958
think of the UK,

1093
01:15:23,958 --> 01:15:24,291
you don't think

1094
01:15:24,291 --> 01:15:24,666
of sharks.

1095
01:15:24,666 --> 01:15:24,958
We think of

1096
01:15:24,958 --> 01:15:25,458
Australia, you

1097
01:15:25,458 --> 01:15:25,750
think of

1098
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:26,291
sharks, right?

1099
01:15:26,291 --> 01:15:26,875
When you think of

1100
01:15:26,875 --> 01:15:27,916
like California,

1101
01:15:27,916 --> 01:15:28,458
the West Coast or

1102
01:15:28,458 --> 01:15:28,833
even the East

1103
01:15:28,833 --> 01:15:29,416
Coast of the US,

1104
01:15:29,666 --> 01:15:30,166
you think of

1105
01:15:30,166 --> 01:15:31,500
sharks, Canada, a

1106
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:32,166
little bit here

1107
01:15:32,166 --> 01:15:32,500
and there.

1108
01:15:32,500 --> 01:15:32,833
We're starting to

1109
01:15:32,833 --> 01:15:33,458
get more and more

1110
01:15:33,458 --> 01:15:34,416
like great whites

1111
01:15:34,416 --> 01:15:35,416
and things from

1112
01:15:35,416 --> 01:15:35,833
from most of us

1113
01:15:35,833 --> 01:15:36,291
that we've seen.

1114
01:15:37,041 --> 01:15:37,250
Is that

1115
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:38,625
within the UK?

1116
01:15:39,166 --> 01:15:40,375
Do people know a

1117
01:15:40,375 --> 01:15:41,083
lot about sharks?

1118
01:15:41,083 --> 01:15:41,375
Is it a

1119
01:15:41,375 --> 01:15:42,250
big topic?

1120
01:15:42,250 --> 01:15:42,500
Is it a

1121
01:15:42,500 --> 01:15:43,000
big worry?

1122
01:15:43,291 --> 01:15:44,083
Is it a big like

1123
01:15:44,083 --> 01:15:44,625
fascination

1124
01:15:44,625 --> 01:15:45,416
with people?

1125
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:47,333
You know, just,

1126
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:47,875
you know, the

1127
01:15:47,875 --> 01:15:48,166
sort of your

1128
01:15:48,166 --> 01:15:49,416
everyday, you

1129
01:15:49,416 --> 01:15:50,041
know, citizen of

1130
01:15:50,041 --> 01:15:51,000
the UK, are they

1131
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:51,791
looking

1132
01:15:51,791 --> 01:15:52,291
at sharks?

1133
01:15:52,291 --> 01:15:52,625
Do they know

1134
01:15:52,625 --> 01:15:53,875
there's there's a

1135
01:15:53,875 --> 01:15:54,291
good amount of

1136
01:15:54,291 --> 01:15:54,625
sharks that

1137
01:15:54,625 --> 01:15:54,916
are around?

1138
01:15:55,125 --> 01:15:56,166
I would say no,

1139
01:15:56,166 --> 01:15:56,916
probably not.

1140
01:15:56,916 --> 01:15:57,375
You know, I'd say

1141
01:15:57,375 --> 01:15:57,583
your

1142
01:15:57,583 --> 01:15:58,583
everyday person.

1143
01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:00,833
I I do an

1144
01:16:00,833 --> 01:16:01,666
occasional shift

1145
01:16:01,666 --> 01:16:02,541
in a pub down

1146
01:16:02,541 --> 01:16:03,166
here in Falmouth

1147
01:16:03,166 --> 01:16:03,458
on a

1148
01:16:03,458 --> 01:16:03,958
Tuesday night.

1149
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:05,916
And of course,

1150
01:16:05,916 --> 01:16:06,125
I'm always

1151
01:16:06,125 --> 01:16:06,500
talking about

1152
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:07,083
sharks, people

1153
01:16:07,083 --> 01:16:08,458
and the amount of

1154
01:16:08,458 --> 01:16:08,958
people that come

1155
01:16:08,958 --> 01:16:10,625
in and, you know,

1156
01:16:10,625 --> 01:16:11,000
they find out

1157
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:11,958
what I do and

1158
01:16:11,958 --> 01:16:13,583
they go, oh, we

1159
01:16:13,583 --> 01:16:14,291
get sharks

1160
01:16:14,291 --> 01:16:14,833
in the UK.

1161
01:16:14,833 --> 01:16:15,666
I'm like, yeah,

1162
01:16:15,666 --> 01:16:17,166
there's over 30

1163
01:16:17,166 --> 01:16:18,083
different shark

1164
01:16:18,083 --> 01:16:18,916
and race species

1165
01:16:18,916 --> 01:16:19,958
and you can see

1166
01:16:19,958 --> 01:16:20,666
them literally

1167
01:16:20,666 --> 01:16:21,375
off the beach.

1168
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:21,958
You know,

1169
01:16:21,958 --> 01:16:22,500
obviously some of

1170
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:23,041
the some of the

1171
01:16:23,041 --> 01:16:23,666
bigger ones and

1172
01:16:23,666 --> 01:16:24,958
some of the sort

1173
01:16:24,958 --> 01:16:25,458
of more

1174
01:16:25,458 --> 01:16:26,500
stereotypical

1175
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:27,500
sharks, we should

1176
01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:28,666
say, maybe a bit

1177
01:16:28,666 --> 01:16:29,875
further afield, a

1178
01:16:29,875 --> 01:16:30,500
bit offshore, for

1179
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:31,000
example, blue

1180
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:32,000
sharks, summer

1181
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:32,250
seasonal

1182
01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:32,750
visitors.

1183
01:16:33,083 --> 01:16:34,291
That's your sort

1184
01:16:34,291 --> 01:16:35,041
of traditional

1185
01:16:35,041 --> 01:16:36,916
kind of shark,

1186
01:16:36,916 --> 01:16:37,333
whereas people

1187
01:16:37,333 --> 01:16:38,583
look at a small

1188
01:16:38,583 --> 01:16:39,375
spot, a cat shark

1189
01:16:39,375 --> 01:16:39,916
or less a

1190
01:16:39,916 --> 01:16:40,625
dogfish, whatever

1191
01:16:40,625 --> 01:16:40,833
you want

1192
01:16:40,833 --> 01:16:41,208
to call it.

1193
01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:41,875
They don't look

1194
01:16:41,875 --> 01:16:42,375
at that and go,

1195
01:16:42,375 --> 01:16:43,291
oh, that's a

1196
01:16:43,291 --> 01:16:43,791
that's a shock.

1197
01:16:44,041 --> 01:16:44,625
But but it is a

1198
01:16:44,625 --> 01:16:45,500
shock. Yeah.

1199
01:16:45,708 --> 01:16:46,333
So when you when

1200
01:16:46,333 --> 01:16:46,958
you explain that

1201
01:16:46,958 --> 01:16:47,333
to people, they

1202
01:16:47,333 --> 01:16:48,541
go, oh, OK, so

1203
01:16:48,541 --> 01:16:49,208
you can you can

1204
01:16:49,208 --> 01:16:49,750
kind of see that

1205
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:50,500
thing and that's

1206
01:16:50,500 --> 01:16:50,833
a shock.

1207
01:16:50,833 --> 01:16:51,541
And I go, yeah,

1208
01:16:51,541 --> 01:16:52,208
just snorkel up

1209
01:16:52,208 --> 01:16:53,000
the beach and go

1210
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:53,375
and see it.

1211
01:16:53,375 --> 01:16:54,166
There's a there's

1212
01:16:54,166 --> 01:16:56,416
a young lad, Gio

1213
01:16:56,416 --> 01:16:57,041
Gio real.

1214
01:16:57,500 --> 01:16:59,291
He is really big

1215
01:16:59,291 --> 01:17:00,291
on Instagram at

1216
01:17:00,291 --> 01:17:00,625
the moment.

1217
01:17:00,625 --> 01:17:01,041
He does these

1218
01:17:01,041 --> 01:17:01,708
beautiful,

1219
01:17:01,708 --> 01:17:02,458
beautiful shots

1220
01:17:02,458 --> 01:17:04,416
of the marine

1221
01:17:04,416 --> 01:17:04,750
life

1222
01:17:04,750 --> 01:17:05,458
around the UK.

1223
01:17:05,791 --> 01:17:06,500
And he's got a

1224
01:17:06,500 --> 01:17:07,916
little hut off a

1225
01:17:07,916 --> 01:17:08,541
beach nearby

1226
01:17:08,541 --> 01:17:09,416
called Castle

1227
01:17:09,416 --> 01:17:10,000
Beach that he

1228
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:10,750
takes people out.

1229
01:17:10,750 --> 01:17:11,541
And he does lots

1230
01:17:11,541 --> 01:17:11,958
of filming

1231
01:17:11,958 --> 01:17:12,333
and stuff.

1232
01:17:12,333 --> 01:17:12,833
And he posts it

1233
01:17:12,833 --> 01:17:13,458
to his Instagram

1234
01:17:13,458 --> 01:17:15,750
and he just is so

1235
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:16,416
good at

1236
01:17:16,416 --> 01:17:17,250
documenting some

1237
01:17:17,250 --> 01:17:18,416
of the amazing

1238
01:17:18,416 --> 01:17:19,000
marine life

1239
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:19,458
that we get.

1240
01:17:19,458 --> 01:17:19,916
And he just gets

1241
01:17:19,916 --> 01:17:20,625
these beautiful

1242
01:17:20,625 --> 01:17:22,458
4K videos and and

1243
01:17:22,458 --> 01:17:22,750
they just look

1244
01:17:22,750 --> 01:17:23,041
amazing.

1245
01:17:23,916 --> 01:17:24,625
Yeah, that's

1246
01:17:24,625 --> 01:17:24,750
awesome.

1247
01:17:25,250 --> 01:17:25,666
So great

1248
01:17:25,666 --> 01:17:26,125
to see that.

1249
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:26,833
Well, you got if

1250
01:17:26,833 --> 01:17:27,083
you're into

1251
01:17:27,083 --> 01:17:28,083
skates, you know,

1252
01:17:28,083 --> 01:17:28,958
which I think are

1253
01:17:28,958 --> 01:17:29,583
really cool.

1254
01:17:29,583 --> 01:17:30,541
There's a ton of

1255
01:17:30,541 --> 01:17:31,375
just amazing

1256
01:17:31,375 --> 01:17:33,291
skates around the

1257
01:17:33,291 --> 01:17:34,000
waters there.

1258
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:34,458
It's just some

1259
01:17:34,458 --> 01:17:35,416
deeper living.

1260
01:17:35,625 --> 01:17:36,125
But there's a lot

1261
01:17:36,125 --> 01:17:37,458
that are coastal

1262
01:17:37,458 --> 01:17:38,000
pretty much.

1263
01:17:38,041 --> 01:17:38,666
And, you know,

1264
01:17:39,291 --> 01:17:40,458
and I said, we

1265
01:17:40,458 --> 01:17:40,875
got to do is have

1266
01:17:40,875 --> 01:17:42,333
somebody remember

1267
01:17:42,333 --> 01:17:43,291
the name from the

1268
01:17:43,291 --> 01:17:44,000
shark trust.

1269
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:44,458
Come on, talk

1270
01:17:44,458 --> 01:17:44,958
about the Great

1271
01:17:44,958 --> 01:17:45,625
Egg case on.

1272
01:17:46,125 --> 01:17:47,083
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1273
01:17:47,083 --> 01:17:47,541
There's a good

1274
01:17:47,541 --> 01:17:48,333
good citizen side

1275
01:17:48,333 --> 01:17:49,416
project that Cat

1276
01:17:49,416 --> 01:17:50,208
Gordon runs

1277
01:17:50,208 --> 01:17:50,625
that right.

1278
01:17:50,625 --> 01:17:51,625
Yes, Cat. Yeah.

1279
01:17:51,625 --> 01:17:51,916
I think we were

1280
01:17:51,916 --> 01:17:52,333
going to try to

1281
01:17:52,333 --> 01:17:52,666
have her on

1282
01:17:52,666 --> 01:17:53,333
before, but she's

1283
01:17:53,333 --> 01:17:54,125
having a baby or

1284
01:17:54,125 --> 01:17:54,833
some something

1285
01:17:54,833 --> 01:17:55,500
that was more

1286
01:17:55,500 --> 01:17:55,958
important than

1287
01:17:55,958 --> 01:17:56,333
coming on the

1288
01:17:56,333 --> 01:17:56,916
show at the time.

1289
01:17:56,916 --> 01:17:57,958
But well, that

1290
01:17:57,958 --> 01:17:58,458
will have you on

1291
01:17:58,458 --> 01:17:58,708
the show

1292
01:17:58,708 --> 01:17:59,291
here soon.

1293
01:17:59,291 --> 01:17:59,458
So

1294
01:17:59,458 --> 01:18:02,333
anyway, but so.

1295
01:18:02,791 --> 01:18:03,708
So you got our

1296
01:18:03,708 --> 01:18:04,541
interests early.

1297
01:18:04,708 --> 01:18:05,416
OK, so I got to

1298
01:18:05,416 --> 01:18:05,791
ask you now,

1299
01:18:05,791 --> 01:18:06,208
where'd you go?

1300
01:18:06,208 --> 01:18:06,875
Scuba diving. You

1301
01:18:06,875 --> 01:18:07,458
saw oceanic

1302
01:18:07,458 --> 01:18:08,041
white tips.

1303
01:18:08,666 --> 01:18:09,625
That was off the

1304
01:18:09,625 --> 01:18:10,041
coast of

1305
01:18:10,041 --> 01:18:10,833
Mozambique

1306
01:18:10,833 --> 01:18:12,083
back in.

1307
01:18:12,625 --> 01:18:13,500
Oh, my goodness.

1308
01:18:14,875 --> 01:18:15,125
When are we

1309
01:18:15,125 --> 01:18:15,958
talking here?

1310
01:18:15,958 --> 01:18:16,166
That was,

1311
01:18:16,166 --> 01:18:17,250
yeah, 2014.

1312
01:18:17,333 --> 01:18:18,000
I think it was maybe

1313
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,708
maybe May 2013.

1314
01:18:20,458 --> 01:18:21,125
I was 11

1315
01:18:21,125 --> 01:18:21,708
years ago.

1316
01:18:21,708 --> 01:18:22,541
Wasn't that long ago?

1317
01:18:24,375 --> 01:18:25,166
We're talking about.

1318
01:18:25,166 --> 01:18:25,458
We're talking

1319
01:18:25,458 --> 01:18:27,291
about like, yeah,

1320
01:18:27,291 --> 01:18:27,833
we're going to

1321
01:18:27,833 --> 01:18:28,833
get all relative.

1322
01:18:28,833 --> 01:18:29,791
I suppose I saw I

1323
01:18:29,791 --> 01:18:30,791
saw I saw my

1324
01:18:30,791 --> 01:18:31,500
first oceanic

1325
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:32,291
white tip sharks

1326
01:18:32,291 --> 01:18:33,000
on the border of

1327
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:33,416
South Africa.

1328
01:18:33,541 --> 01:18:34,375
Mozambique back

1329
01:18:34,375 --> 01:18:36,166
in 1980, 80,

1330
01:18:36,166 --> 01:18:36,833
something

1331
01:18:36,833 --> 01:18:37,708
around there.

1332
01:18:38,041 --> 01:18:39,750
So so I get I can

1333
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:40,083
appreciate

1334
01:18:40,083 --> 01:18:40,791
you see it.

1335
01:18:40,791 --> 01:18:41,583
You see it there

1336
01:18:41,583 --> 01:18:42,291
in Mozambique.

1337
01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:43,166
Yeah. Yeah.

1338
01:18:44,333 --> 01:18:45,166
So Bill, more

1339
01:18:45,166 --> 01:18:45,833
work part of

1340
01:18:45,833 --> 01:18:46,333
Mozambique where

1341
01:18:46,333 --> 01:18:46,958
you dive in and

1342
01:18:46,958 --> 01:18:47,250
just your

1343
01:18:47,250 --> 01:18:47,625
goodness.

1344
01:18:48,083 --> 01:18:48,583
There were the

1345
01:18:48,583 --> 01:18:49,875
the island that

1346
01:18:49,875 --> 01:18:50,958
it was was called

1347
01:18:50,958 --> 01:18:52,375
something as you

1348
01:18:52,375 --> 01:18:53,666
as you're.

1349
01:18:53,958 --> 01:18:55,083
We basically we'd

1350
01:18:55,083 --> 01:18:55,583
we'd been on a

1351
01:18:55,583 --> 01:18:56,458
safari for a

1352
01:18:56,458 --> 01:18:57,000
couple of days

1353
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:57,500
and then we'd

1354
01:18:57,500 --> 01:18:58,083
gone and done it

1355
01:18:58,083 --> 01:18:58,375
like a

1356
01:18:58,375 --> 01:18:59,083
beachy side.

1357
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:00,500
Part of the

1358
01:19:00,500 --> 01:19:01,875
holiday and dad

1359
01:19:01,875 --> 01:19:02,500
was like, do you

1360
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:02,625
want to

1361
01:19:02,625 --> 01:19:03,583
try diving?

1362
01:19:03,583 --> 01:19:04,166
And I was like,

1363
01:19:04,166 --> 01:19:05,541
not not really

1364
01:19:05,541 --> 01:19:05,916
good with my

1365
01:19:05,916 --> 01:19:06,541
ears, but

1366
01:19:06,541 --> 01:19:07,375
give it a go.

1367
01:19:07,375 --> 01:19:07,833
And I did the

1368
01:19:07,833 --> 01:19:08,458
thing in the pool

1369
01:19:08,458 --> 01:19:09,000
and then they

1370
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:09,833
take you out with

1371
01:19:09,833 --> 01:19:10,291
an instructor.

1372
01:19:10,583 --> 01:19:11,291
And I loved it.

1373
01:19:12,083 --> 01:19:12,875
But yeah, I can't

1374
01:19:12,875 --> 01:19:13,791
I can't remember

1375
01:19:13,791 --> 01:19:14,791
the exact place.

1376
01:19:15,250 --> 01:19:15,958
But I have I've

1377
01:19:15,958 --> 01:19:16,208
been to

1378
01:19:16,208 --> 01:19:17,500
Mozambique since

1379
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:18,083
that as well.

1380
01:19:18,291 --> 01:19:19,000
I was working on

1381
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,041
a research

1382
01:19:20,041 --> 01:19:20,666
project

1383
01:19:20,666 --> 01:19:22,041
there with

1384
01:19:23,291 --> 01:19:24,583
Marine Megafauna

1385
01:19:24,583 --> 01:19:25,041
Foundation.

1386
01:19:25,666 --> 01:19:25,875
Oh, yeah.

1387
01:19:26,208 --> 01:19:26,500
Oh, yeah.

1388
01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:27,083
Well, shark stuff

1389
01:19:27,083 --> 01:19:27,583
with them, which

1390
01:19:27,583 --> 01:19:28,458
was cool.

1391
01:19:28,583 --> 01:19:29,833
So I'm a person.

1392
01:19:29,833 --> 01:19:30,416
Yeah, cool. Yeah.

1393
01:19:30,416 --> 01:19:30,916
Yeah. He's been

1394
01:19:30,916 --> 01:19:31,666
on. Yep. Yep.

1395
01:19:31,833 --> 01:19:32,250
Andrea Marshall

1396
01:19:32,250 --> 01:19:32,916
had both been on

1397
01:19:32,916 --> 01:19:33,333
the show.

1398
01:19:33,625 --> 01:19:34,291
Oh, actually,

1399
01:19:34,291 --> 01:19:34,708
Stephanie

1400
01:19:34,708 --> 01:19:35,416
Venables has been

1401
01:19:35,416 --> 01:19:36,041
on the show, too.

1402
01:19:36,041 --> 01:19:36,500
We've had quite a

1403
01:19:36,500 --> 01:19:37,375
few people. Yeah.

1404
01:19:37,375 --> 01:19:37,666
We've had quite a

1405
01:19:37,666 --> 01:19:38,041
few people from

1406
01:19:38,041 --> 01:19:38,250
there.

1407
01:19:38,250 --> 01:19:38,916
Yeah. Yeah.

1408
01:19:38,916 --> 01:19:39,250
I mean,

1409
01:19:39,250 --> 01:19:39,791
Mozambique's a

1410
01:19:39,791 --> 01:19:40,416
beautiful country

1411
01:19:40,416 --> 01:19:41,833
and such a such a

1412
01:19:41,833 --> 01:19:42,375
wild place

1413
01:19:42,375 --> 01:19:42,916
to go diving.

1414
01:19:43,625 --> 01:19:44,125
Yeah. Yeah. It's

1415
01:19:44,125 --> 01:19:44,833
amazing. I've

1416
01:19:44,833 --> 01:19:45,416
never. Yeah.

1417
01:19:45,416 --> 01:19:46,750
Well, when I was

1418
01:19:46,750 --> 01:19:47,500
up there, I

1419
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:47,833
mentioned I was

1420
01:19:47,833 --> 01:19:48,791
on the South

1421
01:19:48,791 --> 01:19:49,333
African side of

1422
01:19:49,333 --> 01:19:49,833
the border when I

1423
01:19:49,833 --> 01:19:50,625
was there back in

1424
01:19:50,625 --> 01:19:52,125
the 1980s.

1425
01:19:52,333 --> 01:19:52,833
They were there

1426
01:19:52,833 --> 01:19:53,500
in the Civil War

1427
01:19:53,500 --> 01:19:53,958
at the time.

1428
01:19:53,958 --> 01:19:55,291
And so you sat in

1429
01:19:55,291 --> 01:19:55,833
the boat at night

1430
01:19:55,833 --> 01:19:56,166
and you watched

1431
01:19:56,166 --> 01:19:56,791
Tracer Rockets

1432
01:19:56,791 --> 01:19:57,458
going off in

1433
01:19:57,458 --> 01:19:57,958
Mozambique.

1434
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:58,583
And then you'd be

1435
01:19:58,583 --> 01:19:59,250
on the wild on

1436
01:19:59,250 --> 01:20:00,125
the South Africa

1437
01:20:00,125 --> 01:20:00,625
side of

1438
01:20:00,625 --> 01:20:01,041
the stuff.

1439
01:20:01,041 --> 01:20:01,541
So it was a very

1440
01:20:01,541 --> 01:20:02,083
different time

1441
01:20:02,083 --> 01:20:03,041
back then. Yeah.

1442
01:20:03,041 --> 01:20:03,625
Yeah. Sure.

1443
01:20:04,041 --> 01:20:04,875
So so but

1444
01:20:04,875 --> 01:20:05,708
yeah, back.

1445
01:20:05,708 --> 01:20:06,333
But but everybody

1446
01:20:06,333 --> 01:20:07,708
prior to that,

1447
01:20:07,708 --> 01:20:08,125
that had been a

1448
01:20:08,125 --> 01:20:08,791
Mozambique just

1449
01:20:08,791 --> 01:20:09,833
raved about how

1450
01:20:09,833 --> 01:20:10,625
beautiful it was

1451
01:20:10,625 --> 01:20:11,000
in the

1452
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,083
waters there.

1453
01:20:12,250 --> 01:20:13,083
Yeah, it's just

1454
01:20:13,083 --> 01:20:14,541
wild like that.

1455
01:20:14,541 --> 01:20:15,166
That's how

1456
01:20:15,166 --> 01:20:16,708
there's a there's

1457
01:20:16,708 --> 01:20:17,708
my one of my

1458
01:20:17,708 --> 01:20:17,958
girlfriends

1459
01:20:17,958 --> 01:20:18,583
friends is going

1460
01:20:18,583 --> 01:20:20,583
to Mozambique in

1461
01:20:20,583 --> 01:20:21,208
a few weeks time

1462
01:20:21,208 --> 01:20:21,708
or a couple

1463
01:20:21,708 --> 01:20:22,000
of months.

1464
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:22,583
I can't remember.

1465
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,333
But I said to

1466
01:20:24,333 --> 01:20:24,708
her, I was like,

1467
01:20:24,708 --> 01:20:25,125
you've got to

1468
01:20:25,125 --> 01:20:25,500
tell him

1469
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:26,541
it is wild.

1470
01:20:26,541 --> 01:20:27,291
Like when you go

1471
01:20:27,291 --> 01:20:27,791
out on those

1472
01:20:27,791 --> 01:20:28,458
boats and the

1473
01:20:28,458 --> 01:20:29,375
waves are going

1474
01:20:29,375 --> 01:20:30,625
and, you know,

1475
01:20:30,625 --> 01:20:31,041
right time of

1476
01:20:31,041 --> 01:20:31,375
year, you might

1477
01:20:31,375 --> 01:20:32,791
get humpbacks or,

1478
01:20:32,791 --> 01:20:33,000
you know,

1479
01:20:33,375 --> 01:20:33,750
different times

1480
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:34,166
of year, you get

1481
01:20:34,166 --> 01:20:34,833
the whale sharks

1482
01:20:34,833 --> 01:20:35,208
and you get

1483
01:20:35,208 --> 01:20:35,791
the manta.

1484
01:20:35,791 --> 01:20:36,791
I just yeah, I

1485
01:20:36,791 --> 01:20:38,083
loved it. Yeah.

1486
01:20:38,166 --> 01:20:38,958
That's amazing.

1487
01:20:39,166 --> 01:20:40,208
It's amazing. So

1488
01:20:40,208 --> 01:20:40,875
that's so your

1489
01:20:40,875 --> 01:20:41,416
doubts. So you

1490
01:20:41,416 --> 01:20:42,125
saw you.

1491
01:20:42,125 --> 01:20:42,875
So you were you

1492
01:20:42,875 --> 01:20:43,291
guys just on

1493
01:20:43,291 --> 01:20:43,833
holiday when you

1494
01:20:43,833 --> 01:20:44,125
went there your

1495
01:20:44,125 --> 01:20:44,833
first time? Just

1496
01:20:44,833 --> 01:20:45,958
yes. Yeah. Yeah.

1497
01:20:45,958 --> 01:20:46,750
It was we we'd

1498
01:20:46,750 --> 01:20:47,500
done it. We'd

1499
01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:49,083
done a safari. I

1500
01:20:49,083 --> 01:20:50,708
think I can't

1501
01:20:50,708 --> 01:20:51,000
remember. It

1502
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:51,666
might have been

1503
01:20:51,666 --> 01:20:52,291
in South Africa

1504
01:20:52,291 --> 01:20:53,375
and then and then

1505
01:20:53,375 --> 01:20:53,916
went to it.

1506
01:20:53,916 --> 01:20:54,541
It was an island

1507
01:20:54,541 --> 01:20:55,500
called Azur or

1508
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:57,000
something as I

1509
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:57,708
can't remember

1510
01:20:57,708 --> 01:20:58,833
off my head.

1511
01:20:58,833 --> 01:20:59,416
Yeah. No, we're

1512
01:20:59,416 --> 01:20:59,791
giving another

1513
01:20:59,791 --> 01:21:00,708
another travel

1514
01:21:00,708 --> 01:21:02,250
plug for another

1515
01:21:02,250 --> 01:21:02,583
touristy

1516
01:21:02,583 --> 01:21:03,458
place to go to.

1517
01:21:03,625 --> 01:21:04,166
So remember,

1518
01:21:04,166 --> 01:21:06,250
remember that the

1519
01:21:06,250 --> 01:21:06,791
Mozambique

1520
01:21:06,791 --> 01:21:07,666
Department of

1521
01:21:07,666 --> 01:21:09,166
Tourism. Where's

1522
01:21:09,166 --> 01:21:09,750
our royalties?

1523
01:21:10,291 --> 01:21:11,125
Yeah. Yeah.

1524
01:21:11,708 --> 01:21:12,000
Yeah. Yeah.

1525
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:12,791
We wait a long

1526
01:21:12,791 --> 01:21:13,500
time for that one

1527
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:14,166
from Mozambique.

1528
01:21:14,458 --> 01:21:16,958
Yes. It is a it's

1529
01:21:16,958 --> 01:21:18,041
a place I've been

1530
01:21:18,041 --> 01:21:18,125
to there.

1531
01:21:18,166 --> 01:21:18,625
I've only been

1532
01:21:18,625 --> 01:21:19,000
there once

1533
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:19,916
before, but it

1534
01:21:19,916 --> 01:21:20,833
was in the

1535
01:21:20,833 --> 01:21:21,166
Mozambique

1536
01:21:21,166 --> 01:21:22,125
beautiful place

1537
01:21:22,125 --> 01:21:23,708
and the diving. I

1538
01:21:23,708 --> 01:21:24,250
haven't been I

1539
01:21:24,250 --> 01:21:25,166
have not been

1540
01:21:25,166 --> 01:21:25,958
able to dive on

1541
01:21:25,958 --> 01:21:26,375
the Mozambique

1542
01:21:26,375 --> 01:21:27,041
side yet, but it

1543
01:21:27,041 --> 01:21:27,625
looks beautiful.

1544
01:21:27,625 --> 01:21:29,208
All the stuff

1545
01:21:29,208 --> 01:21:29,541
that I've been

1546
01:21:29,541 --> 01:21:30,458
able to see. So

1547
01:21:30,458 --> 01:21:30,791
you guys, your

1548
01:21:30,791 --> 01:21:31,416
diving and they

1549
01:21:31,416 --> 01:21:31,791
went off. She

1550
01:21:31,791 --> 01:21:33,125
went on just went

1551
01:21:33,125 --> 01:21:33,708
to high school

1552
01:21:33,708 --> 01:21:35,416
and then on to to

1553
01:21:35,416 --> 01:21:36,333
University and

1554
01:21:36,333 --> 01:21:36,958
stuff. So what

1555
01:21:36,958 --> 01:21:38,291
kind of along

1556
01:21:38,291 --> 01:21:38,916
this journey

1557
01:21:38,916 --> 01:21:39,833
here, what was

1558
01:21:39,833 --> 01:21:40,750
your kind of what

1559
01:21:40,750 --> 01:21:41,583
were your thought

1560
01:21:41,583 --> 01:21:42,666
process back at

1561
01:21:42,666 --> 01:21:43,833
that time? Like

1562
01:21:43,833 --> 01:21:44,333
is it where you

1563
01:21:44,333 --> 01:21:45,000
wanted to go with

1564
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:45,708
your sort of

1565
01:21:45,708 --> 01:21:46,458
sharky career?

1566
01:21:47,041 --> 01:21:48,625
I think I mean, I

1567
01:21:48,625 --> 01:21:50,166
I knew that

1568
01:21:50,166 --> 01:21:51,291
sharks was the

1569
01:21:51,291 --> 01:21:51,583
sort of

1570
01:21:51,583 --> 01:21:52,500
direction. But

1571
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:53,750
for me, one of

1572
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:54,333
the things that I

1573
01:21:54,333 --> 01:21:55,166
wanted to do

1574
01:21:55,166 --> 01:21:55,916
straight off the

1575
01:21:55,916 --> 01:21:57,500
bat was get a

1576
01:21:57,500 --> 01:21:58,791
much broader

1577
01:21:58,791 --> 01:22:00,666
environmental and

1578
01:22:00,666 --> 01:22:01,416
geological

1579
01:22:01,416 --> 01:22:02,458
understanding of

1580
01:22:02,458 --> 01:22:02,875
the natural

1581
01:22:02,875 --> 01:22:04,000
world. I didn't

1582
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,333
want to initially

1583
01:22:05,333 --> 01:22:06,125
specialise down

1584
01:22:06,125 --> 01:22:07,125
like super, super

1585
01:22:07,125 --> 01:22:08,500
niche really,

1586
01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:08,958
really early on.

1587
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:09,708
I wanted to get

1588
01:22:09,708 --> 01:22:10,666
that bit of a bit

1589
01:22:10,666 --> 01:22:11,541
of a broader

1590
01:22:11,541 --> 01:22:13,500
understanding of

1591
01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:14,666
how the natural

1592
01:22:14,666 --> 01:22:16,500
world works. But

1593
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:17,625
then once I had

1594
01:22:17,625 --> 01:22:18,250
that, you know,

1595
01:22:18,458 --> 01:22:18,875
in my kind of

1596
01:22:18,875 --> 01:22:19,708
first year of

1597
01:22:19,708 --> 01:22:20,958
uni, then I

1598
01:22:20,958 --> 01:22:21,666
started to sort

1599
01:22:21,666 --> 01:22:22,458
of choose those

1600
01:22:22,458 --> 01:22:23,250
modules that was

1601
01:22:23,250 --> 01:22:24,041
like, OK, let's

1602
01:22:24,041 --> 01:22:24,583
have a look at

1603
01:22:24,583 --> 01:22:25,708
marine dynamics.

1604
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:26,583
Let's have a look

1605
01:22:26,583 --> 01:22:27,416
at like

1606
01:22:27,416 --> 01:22:28,916
overexploitation

1607
01:22:28,916 --> 01:22:29,666
of the sea and

1608
01:22:29,666 --> 01:22:30,250
learn about

1609
01:22:30,250 --> 01:22:31,166
fisheries and

1610
01:22:31,166 --> 01:22:31,750
kind of really

1611
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:32,750
start to like

1612
01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:35,541
train myself into

1613
01:22:35,541 --> 01:22:36,750
a particular, a

1614
01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:37,500
particular area

1615
01:22:37,500 --> 01:22:38,083
that I knew I

1616
01:22:38,083 --> 01:22:38,791
kind of wanted to

1617
01:22:38,791 --> 01:22:39,375
head into.

1618
01:22:39,375 --> 01:22:40,250
But it was for

1619
01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:40,708
me, it was about

1620
01:22:40,708 --> 01:22:41,541
starting broad

1621
01:22:41,541 --> 01:22:42,250
initially and

1622
01:22:42,250 --> 01:22:44,041
then slowly kind

1623
01:22:44,041 --> 01:22:45,208
of pointing

1624
01:22:45,208 --> 01:22:45,750
myself in the

1625
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:46,250
right direction.

1626
01:22:46,750 --> 01:22:47,166
Where did that

1627
01:22:47,166 --> 01:22:48,041
thought process

1628
01:22:48,041 --> 01:22:48,750
come from?

1629
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:49,666
Because a lot of,

1630
01:22:49,833 --> 01:22:50,541
you know, a lot

1631
01:22:50,541 --> 01:22:51,500
of people in high

1632
01:22:51,500 --> 01:22:52,166
school were like,

1633
01:22:52,166 --> 01:22:52,625
I just want to

1634
01:22:52,625 --> 01:22:53,166
work with sharks

1635
01:22:53,166 --> 01:22:53,708
or I just want to

1636
01:22:53,708 --> 01:22:54,291
work with whales

1637
01:22:54,291 --> 01:22:54,833
or I want to work

1638
01:22:54,833 --> 01:22:55,291
with a particular

1639
01:22:55,291 --> 01:22:55,750
species.

1640
01:22:56,375 --> 01:22:56,708
And they'll tend

1641
01:22:56,708 --> 01:22:57,375
to just want to

1642
01:22:57,375 --> 01:22:57,916
jump into it

1643
01:22:57,916 --> 01:22:58,750
right away at

1644
01:22:58,750 --> 01:23:00,500
university. I

1645
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:00,916
think it's really

1646
01:23:00,916 --> 01:23:01,541
good to have that

1647
01:23:01,541 --> 01:23:02,541
perspective in

1648
01:23:02,541 --> 01:23:03,458
life to like get

1649
01:23:03,458 --> 01:23:03,833
a broad

1650
01:23:03,833 --> 01:23:04,583
understanding of,

1651
01:23:04,958 --> 01:23:05,500
like you said, as

1652
01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:06,000
the natural

1653
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:06,750
world works.

1654
01:23:07,125 --> 01:23:07,583
But where did

1655
01:23:07,583 --> 01:23:08,500
that come from?

1656
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:08,875
Like, did your

1657
01:23:08,875 --> 01:23:09,458
did your parents

1658
01:23:09,458 --> 01:23:10,041
help you out with

1659
01:23:10,041 --> 01:23:10,500
that, like,

1660
01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:11,166
directly that or

1661
01:23:11,166 --> 01:23:11,708
was that just

1662
01:23:11,708 --> 01:23:12,375
something you

1663
01:23:12,375 --> 01:23:13,083
just want to know

1664
01:23:13,083 --> 01:23:13,500
in general?

1665
01:23:13,875 --> 01:23:14,750
I think it was a

1666
01:23:14,750 --> 01:23:15,791
probably just a

1667
01:23:15,791 --> 01:23:17,166
general life

1668
01:23:17,166 --> 01:23:18,833
lesson you're

1669
01:23:18,833 --> 01:23:19,250
taught by my

1670
01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:19,583
parents. It

1671
01:23:19,583 --> 01:23:20,416
wasn't a case of

1672
01:23:20,416 --> 01:23:20,875
they kind of sat

1673
01:23:20,875 --> 01:23:21,375
me down and was

1674
01:23:21,375 --> 01:23:22,125
like, right, you

1675
01:23:22,125 --> 01:23:22,500
know, you should

1676
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:22,916
be broad.

1677
01:23:23,208 --> 01:23:23,791
It was just to

1678
01:23:23,791 --> 01:23:25,333
look at things

1679
01:23:25,333 --> 01:23:26,791
from a wider

1680
01:23:26,791 --> 01:23:27,416
perspective

1681
01:23:27,416 --> 01:23:29,125
first. And then,

1682
01:23:29,125 --> 01:23:30,041
you know, when

1683
01:23:30,041 --> 01:23:30,875
you start to

1684
01:23:30,875 --> 01:23:31,541
figure out

1685
01:23:31,541 --> 01:23:32,291
exactly what it

1686
01:23:32,291 --> 01:23:33,625
is, then kind of,

1687
01:23:33,625 --> 01:23:34,500
you know, lead it

1688
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:34,791
that way.

1689
01:23:34,833 --> 01:23:35,541
But yeah, it was

1690
01:23:35,541 --> 01:23:37,041
looking at things

1691
01:23:37,041 --> 01:23:37,833
in life in

1692
01:23:37,833 --> 01:23:38,500
general, from a

1693
01:23:38,500 --> 01:23:38,750
broader

1694
01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:39,208
perspective,

1695
01:23:39,208 --> 01:23:39,750
looking at things

1696
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:40,416
from a balanced

1697
01:23:40,416 --> 01:23:40,791
perspective.

1698
01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:41,791
It was something

1699
01:23:41,791 --> 01:23:42,333
that's just kind

1700
01:23:42,333 --> 01:23:43,000
of been instilled

1701
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,583
in me from when I

1702
01:23:44,583 --> 01:23:45,208
was really young.

1703
01:23:45,208 --> 01:23:45,875
I remember my dad

1704
01:23:45,875 --> 01:23:46,375
always used to

1705
01:23:46,375 --> 01:23:47,125
say that.

1706
01:23:47,375 --> 01:23:47,833
Now, you were you

1707
01:23:47,833 --> 01:23:49,041
were kind of come

1708
01:23:49,041 --> 01:23:50,041
up this era now,

1709
01:23:50,625 --> 01:23:51,291
a lot of people

1710
01:23:51,291 --> 01:23:52,041
your age and

1711
01:23:52,041 --> 01:23:53,000
younger really

1712
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:53,708
got onto the

1713
01:23:53,708 --> 01:23:54,291
social media

1714
01:23:54,291 --> 01:23:55,500
stuff like that

1715
01:23:55,500 --> 01:23:56,333
was kind of your,

1716
01:23:57,208 --> 01:23:57,666
which even for

1717
01:23:57,666 --> 01:23:58,583
Andrew's into it,

1718
01:23:58,583 --> 01:23:59,125
I think that you

1719
01:23:59,125 --> 01:23:59,458
were a little

1720
01:23:59,458 --> 01:24:00,541
before the time,

1721
01:24:00,541 --> 01:24:01,250
really, Andrew, I

1722
01:24:01,250 --> 01:24:02,166
think before.

1723
01:24:02,208 --> 01:24:03,458
But you with your

1724
01:24:03,458 --> 01:24:04,500
I see a lot of I

1725
01:24:04,500 --> 01:24:05,250
see people from

1726
01:24:05,250 --> 01:24:05,708
your sort of

1727
01:24:05,708 --> 01:24:06,250
generation,

1728
01:24:06,583 --> 01:24:06,916
Kristen, that

1729
01:24:06,916 --> 01:24:08,625
they kind of they

1730
01:24:08,625 --> 01:24:09,250
they started

1731
01:24:09,250 --> 01:24:09,791
maybe like you

1732
01:24:09,791 --> 01:24:10,208
did doing

1733
01:24:10,208 --> 01:24:10,833
research and

1734
01:24:10,833 --> 01:24:11,208
stuff, but then

1735
01:24:11,208 --> 01:24:11,708
they really

1736
01:24:11,708 --> 01:24:12,708
locked into the

1737
01:24:12,708 --> 01:24:14,250
science

1738
01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:14,791
communication

1739
01:24:14,791 --> 01:24:15,875
aspect of it.

1740
01:24:16,166 --> 01:24:16,708
What was it? What

1741
01:24:16,708 --> 01:24:17,375
was sort of your

1742
01:24:17,375 --> 01:24:19,750
how did that hold

1743
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:20,750
trajectory go for

1744
01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:21,500
you as far as

1745
01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:22,333
you're coming

1746
01:24:22,333 --> 01:24:22,541
through?

1747
01:24:23,041 --> 01:24:23,708
Do you know what,

1748
01:24:23,708 --> 01:24:24,500
Dave, I think one

1749
01:24:24,500 --> 01:24:25,750
of the biggest

1750
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:27,000
things for me was

1751
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,416
was struggling to

1752
01:24:28,416 --> 01:24:29,791
get a job in the

1753
01:24:29,791 --> 01:24:30,916
field that was,

1754
01:24:30,916 --> 01:24:31,708
you know, I

1755
01:24:31,708 --> 01:24:32,458
looked at it and

1756
01:24:32,458 --> 01:24:34,458
I after

1757
01:24:34,458 --> 01:24:35,291
university, you

1758
01:24:35,291 --> 01:24:37,000
know, I did the

1759
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:37,625
stereotypical

1760
01:24:37,625 --> 01:24:39,458
thing that you

1761
01:24:39,458 --> 01:24:40,791
people were told

1762
01:24:40,791 --> 01:24:42,166
to do for many,

1763
01:24:42,166 --> 01:24:42,833
many years, which

1764
01:24:42,833 --> 01:24:44,166
was go to school,

1765
01:24:44,416 --> 01:24:45,041
get your degree,

1766
01:24:45,291 --> 01:24:46,166
get your higher

1767
01:24:46,166 --> 01:24:46,708
qualifications,

1768
01:24:47,208 --> 01:24:47,875
then get a job.

1769
01:24:48,291 --> 01:24:49,875
And I did those

1770
01:24:49,875 --> 01:24:51,041
things. I did

1771
01:24:51,041 --> 01:24:52,500
what what was

1772
01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:54,291
expected that the

1773
01:24:54,291 --> 01:24:55,458
the normal path

1774
01:24:55,458 --> 01:24:56,375
and it didn't

1775
01:24:56,375 --> 01:24:57,625
work. Right. So I

1776
01:24:57,625 --> 01:24:58,708
applied. I can't

1777
01:24:58,708 --> 01:24:59,458
tell you when I

1778
01:24:59,458 --> 01:24:59,916
came out of

1779
01:24:59,916 --> 01:25:01,708
university, I

1780
01:25:01,708 --> 01:25:02,166
knew at that

1781
01:25:02,166 --> 01:25:03,333
point, I didn't

1782
01:25:03,333 --> 01:25:04,458
want to do a PhD

1783
01:25:04,458 --> 01:25:05,916
just yet. And I

1784
01:25:05,916 --> 01:25:06,500
always say never

1785
01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:07,125
say never with

1786
01:25:07,125 --> 01:25:08,083
it. But I came

1787
01:25:08,083 --> 01:25:08,250
out of

1788
01:25:08,250 --> 01:25:08,791
university. I was

1789
01:25:08,791 --> 01:25:09,750
like, right, I'm

1790
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:10,041
gonna try and get

1791
01:25:10,041 --> 01:25:11,375
a job now. And I

1792
01:25:11,375 --> 01:25:12,291
want to work in

1793
01:25:12,291 --> 01:25:13,541
this field. Yeah,

1794
01:25:13,583 --> 01:25:14,875
I've got the I've

1795
01:25:14,875 --> 01:25:15,416
got the degree.

1796
01:25:15,625 --> 01:25:16,708
I've got all

1797
01:25:16,708 --> 01:25:17,291
this stuff.

1798
01:25:17,333 --> 01:25:18,041
And then I

1799
01:25:18,041 --> 01:25:18,583
started applying

1800
01:25:18,583 --> 01:25:20,000
for jobs. And I

1801
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,333
just, I wasn't

1802
01:25:21,333 --> 01:25:21,500
even getting

1803
01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:22,791
interviews. I

1804
01:25:22,791 --> 01:25:23,208
wasn't even

1805
01:25:23,208 --> 01:25:24,041
getting because

1806
01:25:24,041 --> 01:25:25,500
I, I, I like to

1807
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:26,000
think that I

1808
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:26,625
backed myself

1809
01:25:26,625 --> 01:25:28,208
face to face, you

1810
01:25:28,208 --> 01:25:28,708
know, having a

1811
01:25:28,708 --> 01:25:29,291
conversation with

1812
01:25:29,291 --> 01:25:30,250
someone in an

1813
01:25:30,250 --> 01:25:30,708
interview

1814
01:25:30,708 --> 01:25:31,166
situation,

1815
01:25:31,166 --> 01:25:31,916
whether it be on

1816
01:25:31,916 --> 01:25:32,500
zoom or in

1817
01:25:32,500 --> 01:25:33,791
person, I'd like

1818
01:25:33,791 --> 01:25:34,500
to back myself in

1819
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:35,125
that situation.

1820
01:25:35,125 --> 01:25:35,833
But it wasn't

1821
01:25:35,833 --> 01:25:36,541
even getting that

1822
01:25:36,541 --> 01:25:37,458
chance. I wasn't

1823
01:25:37,458 --> 01:25:38,375
even getting past

1824
01:25:38,375 --> 01:25:39,166
that, that

1825
01:25:39,166 --> 01:25:40,666
initial stage to

1826
01:25:40,666 --> 01:25:41,250
even get me on

1827
01:25:41,250 --> 01:25:42,000
the, you know, to

1828
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:42,708
even get me near

1829
01:25:42,708 --> 01:25:43,583
the door to bash

1830
01:25:43,583 --> 01:25:45,291
it down. So I

1831
01:25:45,291 --> 01:25:45,875
looked at that.

1832
01:25:45,875 --> 01:25:46,291
And I was like,

1833
01:25:46,291 --> 01:25:46,708
I'm really,

1834
01:25:46,708 --> 01:25:47,291
I'm really

1835
01:25:47,333 --> 01:25:48,416
struggling here.

1836
01:25:48,416 --> 01:25:49,291
I'm applying for

1837
01:25:49,291 --> 01:25:49,875
all these jobs.

1838
01:25:49,875 --> 01:25:51,375
I'm, I'm, I'm, I

1839
01:25:51,375 --> 01:25:52,000
want I know want

1840
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:52,541
to work in this

1841
01:25:52,541 --> 01:25:53,666
field, but I'm

1842
01:25:53,666 --> 01:25:54,041
not getting

1843
01:25:54,041 --> 01:25:54,791
anywhere with it.

1844
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:55,708
And so at that

1845
01:25:55,708 --> 01:25:57,458
point, I was, you

1846
01:25:57,458 --> 01:25:58,333
know, perhaps in

1847
01:25:58,333 --> 01:25:59,208
a bit of a

1848
01:25:59,208 --> 01:25:59,916
fortunate

1849
01:25:59,916 --> 01:26:00,833
situation in the

1850
01:26:00,833 --> 01:26:01,791
sense of, you

1851
01:26:01,791 --> 01:26:02,750
know, I've got

1852
01:26:02,750 --> 01:26:03,125
somewhere to

1853
01:26:03,125 --> 01:26:03,791
live, I can

1854
01:26:03,791 --> 01:26:04,500
afford to pay my

1855
01:26:04,500 --> 01:26:05,458
bills, that kind

1856
01:26:05,458 --> 01:26:06,583
of stuff. But I

1857
01:26:06,583 --> 01:26:07,208
thought, you know

1858
01:26:07,208 --> 01:26:08,333
what, what do I

1859
01:26:08,333 --> 01:26:09,750
enjoy doing? I

1860
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:10,333
like talking to

1861
01:26:10,333 --> 01:26:10,666
people about

1862
01:26:10,666 --> 01:26:11,916
sharks, right? I

1863
01:26:11,916 --> 01:26:13,250
like discussing

1864
01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:14,041
sharks. I like

1865
01:26:14,041 --> 01:26:14,500
telling people

1866
01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:15,833
about how cool

1867
01:26:15,833 --> 01:26:16,500
they are. And I

1868
01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:16,958
know I

1869
01:26:16,958 --> 01:26:17,291
was doing it

1870
01:26:17,333 --> 01:26:18,000
back then, I was

1871
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:18,458
working in the

1872
01:26:18,458 --> 01:26:19,125
pub a lot more, I

1873
01:26:19,125 --> 01:26:19,833
was doing three,

1874
01:26:19,833 --> 01:26:20,250
four shifts a

1875
01:26:20,250 --> 01:26:21,583
week in the

1876
01:26:21,583 --> 01:26:22,833
evenings, as well

1877
01:26:22,833 --> 01:26:23,500
as doing the uni

1878
01:26:23,500 --> 01:26:24,000
stuff as well.

1879
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:24,583
But I was talking

1880
01:26:24,583 --> 01:26:25,333
to people about

1881
01:26:25,333 --> 01:26:26,875
sharks all the

1882
01:26:26,875 --> 01:26:27,750
time. So I

1883
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:28,500
thought, well,

1884
01:26:28,916 --> 01:26:29,541
why don't I just

1885
01:26:29,541 --> 01:26:30,583
do that on the

1886
01:26:30,583 --> 01:26:31,791
internet? I

1887
01:26:31,791 --> 01:26:33,041
wasn't massive

1888
01:26:33,041 --> 01:26:34,833
into Instagram.

1889
01:26:35,208 --> 01:26:36,000
And I did a

1890
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:36,875
little bit of

1891
01:26:36,875 --> 01:26:38,250
stuff on Twitter

1892
01:26:38,250 --> 01:26:38,916
back when it was

1893
01:26:38,916 --> 01:26:40,500
Twitter. But, you

1894
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:41,458
know, TikTok was

1895
01:26:41,458 --> 01:26:43,416
kind of, I wasn't

1896
01:26:43,416 --> 01:26:44,500
quite into that

1897
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:46,000
as much. But I

1898
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:46,666
did like YouTube.

1899
01:26:46,666 --> 01:26:47,291
And I liked

1900
01:26:47,333 --> 01:26:48,083
watching YouTube

1901
01:26:48,083 --> 01:26:49,125
videos. And I've

1902
01:26:49,125 --> 01:26:49,458
always liked

1903
01:26:49,458 --> 01:26:49,958
watching YouTube

1904
01:26:49,958 --> 01:26:50,333
videos, I've

1905
01:26:50,333 --> 01:26:50,833
always found them

1906
01:26:50,833 --> 01:26:50,958
really

1907
01:26:50,958 --> 01:26:51,583
interesting. And

1908
01:26:51,583 --> 01:26:52,000
I thought, you

1909
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:52,958
know what, I'll

1910
01:26:52,958 --> 01:26:53,791
just I'll just

1911
01:26:53,791 --> 01:26:54,250
start YouTube

1912
01:26:54,250 --> 01:26:54,916
channel. I think

1913
01:26:54,916 --> 01:26:56,875
it was, it was

1914
01:26:56,875 --> 01:26:59,250
COVID. I was over

1915
01:26:59,250 --> 01:27:00,000
in Florida at the

1916
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:00,625
time, my parents

1917
01:27:00,625 --> 01:27:01,416
lived over in the

1918
01:27:01,416 --> 01:27:04,250
States. And I was

1919
01:27:04,250 --> 01:27:05,375
kind of not stuck

1920
01:27:05,375 --> 01:27:06,458
there. But there

1921
01:27:06,458 --> 01:27:07,291
was not a lot we

1922
01:27:07,291 --> 01:27:08,125
could do. You

1923
01:27:08,125 --> 01:27:09,833
know, everything

1924
01:27:09,833 --> 01:27:10,541
was shut down.

1925
01:27:10,541 --> 01:27:11,000
And I remember

1926
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:12,541
that long days of

1927
01:27:12,541 --> 01:27:13,333
just sitting and

1928
01:27:13,333 --> 01:27:14,000
thinking, okay,

1929
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:14,541
if I was going to

1930
01:27:14,541 --> 01:27:15,041
start a YouTube

1931
01:27:15,041 --> 01:27:16,291
channel, what

1932
01:27:16,291 --> 01:27:16,708
would I

1933
01:27:16,708 --> 01:27:17,291
talk about?

1934
01:27:17,333 --> 01:27:18,708
What would the

1935
01:27:18,708 --> 01:27:20,083
first video, the

1936
01:27:20,083 --> 01:27:21,000
first few videos

1937
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:21,916
be about? What,

1938
01:27:21,916 --> 01:27:22,291
you know, what

1939
01:27:22,291 --> 01:27:23,666
kind of content

1940
01:27:23,666 --> 01:27:25,000
am I going to

1941
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:25,583
start making?

1942
01:27:25,583 --> 01:27:26,333
I just sat there

1943
01:27:26,333 --> 01:27:28,583
for about four

1944
01:27:28,583 --> 01:27:29,458
months until I

1945
01:27:29,458 --> 01:27:30,083
was forced to

1946
01:27:30,083 --> 01:27:30,500
leave the States

1947
01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:31,000
because my visa

1948
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:31,541
was running out.

1949
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:33,458
But I just sat

1950
01:27:33,458 --> 01:27:34,000
there thinking

1951
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,958
what this channel

1952
01:27:35,958 --> 01:27:36,500
was going to be.

1953
01:27:36,750 --> 01:27:37,958
And I got back to

1954
01:27:37,958 --> 01:27:39,958
the UK. And

1955
01:27:39,958 --> 01:27:40,666
again, it was it

1956
01:27:40,666 --> 01:27:41,333
was still COVID.

1957
01:27:41,333 --> 01:27:41,708
Everything was

1958
01:27:41,708 --> 01:27:42,875
shut down. I set

1959
01:27:42,875 --> 01:27:43,583
my camera up

1960
01:27:43,583 --> 01:27:44,333
behind my desk

1961
01:27:44,333 --> 01:27:45,083
and I just

1962
01:27:45,083 --> 01:27:46,000
started talking.

1963
01:27:46,583 --> 01:27:47,125
Just, you know,

1964
01:27:47,166 --> 01:27:48,166
I was looking at

1965
01:27:48,166 --> 01:27:48,916
your first I was

1966
01:27:48,916 --> 01:27:49,500
looking at your

1967
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:50,416
first video was

1968
01:27:50,416 --> 01:27:51,125
like five years

1969
01:27:51,125 --> 01:27:52,875
ago. Yeah, right.

1970
01:27:52,875 --> 01:27:54,125
Oh, that person's

1971
01:27:54,125 --> 01:27:54,958
so cringe as

1972
01:27:54,958 --> 01:27:57,833
well. I listen. I

1973
01:27:57,833 --> 01:27:58,458
went back a

1974
01:27:58,458 --> 01:27:58,916
couple of years

1975
01:27:58,916 --> 01:27:59,458
ago. I've been

1976
01:27:59,458 --> 01:27:59,750
doing the

1977
01:27:59,750 --> 01:28:00,708
podcast, like for

1978
01:28:00,708 --> 01:28:01,083
how to protect

1979
01:28:01,083 --> 01:28:01,708
the ocean for 10

1980
01:28:01,708 --> 01:28:02,500
years. I went

1981
01:28:02,500 --> 01:28:03,208
back a couple of

1982
01:28:03,208 --> 01:28:03,666
months ago to

1983
01:28:03,666 --> 01:28:04,041
listen to my

1984
01:28:04,041 --> 01:28:04,708
first episode. I

1985
01:28:04,708 --> 01:28:04,958
was like,

1986
01:28:04,958 --> 01:28:05,875
oh my God.

1987
01:28:05,916 --> 01:28:07,833
Yeah, I know how

1988
01:28:07,833 --> 01:28:08,500
it changes,

1989
01:28:08,500 --> 01:28:09,083
right? How you

1990
01:28:09,083 --> 01:28:10,500
how you just you

1991
01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:12,625
you naturally the

1992
01:28:12,625 --> 01:28:13,458
more you do it,

1993
01:28:13,458 --> 01:28:14,041
it just gets

1994
01:28:14,041 --> 01:28:15,375
easier. Yeah, you

1995
01:28:15,375 --> 01:28:15,833
just become more

1996
01:28:15,833 --> 01:28:16,416
I think it's just

1997
01:28:16,416 --> 01:28:17,208
it's a matter of

1998
01:28:17,208 --> 01:28:17,875
becoming more

1999
01:28:17,875 --> 01:28:18,291
comfortable

2000
01:28:18,291 --> 01:28:18,791
behind the

2001
01:28:18,791 --> 01:28:19,916
microphone. It's

2002
01:28:19,916 --> 01:28:21,125
also very weird.

2003
01:28:21,125 --> 01:28:21,375
I don't know if

2004
01:28:21,375 --> 01:28:22,291
you find this.

2005
01:28:22,291 --> 01:28:22,916
It's I still find

2006
01:28:22,916 --> 01:28:23,541
it, you know,

2007
01:28:23,541 --> 01:28:24,166
kind of odd.

2008
01:28:24,541 --> 01:28:24,916
You're staring

2009
01:28:24,916 --> 01:28:25,750
into a camera,

2010
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:26,958
you know, you've

2011
01:28:26,958 --> 01:28:27,666
got because I

2012
01:28:27,666 --> 01:28:27,958
only started

2013
01:28:27,958 --> 01:28:28,541
doing videos a

2014
01:28:28,541 --> 01:28:29,000
couple of years

2015
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:29,625
ago, you're

2016
01:28:29,625 --> 01:28:30,250
staring into a

2017
01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:31,000
camera, you got a

2018
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:31,333
microphone,

2019
01:28:31,333 --> 01:28:31,708
you're by

2020
01:28:31,708 --> 01:28:33,083
yourself. It's a

2021
01:28:33,083 --> 01:28:33,708
very weird having

2022
01:28:33,708 --> 01:28:34,291
that conversation

2023
01:28:34,291 --> 01:28:35,250
trying to be.

2024
01:28:35,791 --> 01:28:36,791
Entertaining at

2025
01:28:36,791 --> 01:28:37,916
the same time and

2026
01:28:37,916 --> 01:28:39,125
expressive and

2027
01:28:39,125 --> 01:28:40,166
trying to stay on

2028
01:28:40,166 --> 01:28:41,166
point and not

2029
01:28:41,166 --> 01:28:41,916
getting lost by

2030
01:28:41,916 --> 01:28:42,375
looking at

2031
01:28:42,375 --> 01:28:43,291
yourself in the

2032
01:28:43,291 --> 01:28:44,333
camera a lot of

2033
01:28:44,333 --> 01:28:45,375
times, you know,

2034
01:28:45,375 --> 01:28:45,791
and trying to

2035
01:28:45,791 --> 01:28:46,833
look in the right

2036
01:28:46,833 --> 01:28:47,500
direction and

2037
01:28:47,500 --> 01:28:48,416
stuff. It's it's

2038
01:28:48,416 --> 01:28:49,333
it's not an easy

2039
01:28:49,333 --> 01:28:50,041
thing. It's not

2040
01:28:50,041 --> 01:28:50,666
an easy thing to

2041
01:28:50,666 --> 01:28:52,000
do, but you just

2042
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,416
graduated, you

2043
01:28:53,416 --> 01:28:53,958
know, and

2044
01:28:53,958 --> 01:28:55,208
so were you.

2045
01:28:56,625 --> 01:28:57,541
I know we were at

2046
01:28:57,541 --> 01:28:58,000
a point right

2047
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:58,833
now, like even

2048
01:28:58,833 --> 01:28:59,583
even when you

2049
01:28:59,583 --> 01:29:00,416
started like, say

2050
01:29:00,416 --> 01:29:01,916
what 2021 2020

2051
01:29:01,916 --> 01:29:03,791
2021. Did you

2052
01:29:03,791 --> 01:29:04,458
ever get worried

2053
01:29:04,458 --> 01:29:06,500
about doing

2054
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:06,833
science

2055
01:29:06,833 --> 01:29:07,750
communication and

2056
01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:08,250
worried about

2057
01:29:08,250 --> 01:29:08,625
what other

2058
01:29:08,625 --> 01:29:09,333
scientists were

2059
01:29:09,333 --> 01:29:10,083
going to think

2060
01:29:10,083 --> 01:29:10,625
about what you

2061
01:29:10,625 --> 01:29:12,250
were saying? That

2062
01:29:12,250 --> 01:29:12,958
was a big fear of

2063
01:29:12,958 --> 01:29:14,083
mine when I yeah,

2064
01:29:14,500 --> 01:29:14,666
that's

2065
01:29:14,666 --> 01:29:15,291
why I asked.

2066
01:29:15,666 --> 01:29:16,791
I there's there

2067
01:29:16,791 --> 01:29:17,625
is always the

2068
01:29:17,625 --> 01:29:18,875
thought in the

2069
01:29:18,875 --> 01:29:19,750
back of my head

2070
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:21,208
for sure, because

2071
01:29:21,208 --> 01:29:22,208
a lot of the

2072
01:29:22,208 --> 01:29:22,833
people that

2073
01:29:22,833 --> 01:29:23,708
you'll have had

2074
01:29:23,708 --> 01:29:24,791
on this podcast,

2075
01:29:24,791 --> 01:29:26,000
right, there will

2076
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:27,000
be videos on

2077
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:27,875
shark bites that

2078
01:29:27,875 --> 01:29:28,583
I have done about

2079
01:29:28,583 --> 01:29:29,250
their research,

2080
01:29:29,250 --> 01:29:29,666
right? I think

2081
01:29:29,666 --> 01:29:30,708
Allison town, you

2082
01:29:30,708 --> 01:29:31,541
said you had on,

2083
01:29:31,541 --> 01:29:33,125
right? So so I've

2084
01:29:33,125 --> 01:29:33,708
got, you know,

2085
01:29:33,708 --> 01:29:34,250
I've got videos

2086
01:29:34,250 --> 01:29:35,250
about Alison town

2087
01:29:35,250 --> 01:29:36,500
as research that

2088
01:29:36,500 --> 01:29:37,500
town town, I tell

2089
01:29:37,500 --> 01:29:38,833
2022 the the

2090
01:29:38,833 --> 01:29:39,625
killer whales and

2091
01:29:39,625 --> 01:29:40,000
the white sharks

2092
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:40,541
in South Africa.

2093
01:29:40,541 --> 01:29:41,583
There are videos

2094
01:29:41,583 --> 01:29:43,083
and I've there's

2095
01:29:43,083 --> 01:29:44,625
always a a a.

2096
01:29:44,666 --> 01:29:46,000
Just a little

2097
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:46,416
thought in the

2098
01:29:46,416 --> 01:29:46,916
back of my head

2099
01:29:46,916 --> 01:29:47,875
and I go, I hope

2100
01:29:47,875 --> 01:29:48,541
I hope they think

2101
01:29:48,541 --> 01:29:49,000
I did that

2102
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:49,750
justice kind of

2103
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:50,375
thing. I hope I

2104
01:29:50,375 --> 01:29:51,500
hope they if they

2105
01:29:51,500 --> 01:29:52,375
ever saw it,

2106
01:29:52,375 --> 01:29:53,333
they'd be like,

2107
01:29:53,333 --> 01:29:53,833
yeah, you know

2108
01:29:53,833 --> 01:29:54,458
what? Yeah,

2109
01:29:54,458 --> 01:29:55,458
that's that's a

2110
01:29:55,458 --> 01:29:56,083
good presentation

2111
01:29:56,083 --> 01:29:57,208
of my research.

2112
01:29:57,208 --> 01:29:58,000
That's that's

2113
01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:58,875
what my my hope

2114
01:29:58,875 --> 01:29:59,708
is I don't I

2115
01:29:59,708 --> 01:30:00,208
would never have

2116
01:30:00,208 --> 01:30:00,666
said it was a

2117
01:30:00,666 --> 01:30:02,375
worry because I

2118
01:30:02,375 --> 01:30:04,500
think for me if I

2119
01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:06,666
was ever worried

2120
01:30:06,666 --> 01:30:07,916
about what people

2121
01:30:07,916 --> 01:30:09,041
thought about me

2122
01:30:09,041 --> 01:30:09,666
or what they

2123
01:30:09,666 --> 01:30:10,208
thought about my

2124
01:30:10,208 --> 01:30:11,833
content YouTube

2125
01:30:11,833 --> 01:30:12,708
is the wrong

2126
01:30:12,708 --> 01:30:13,416
place for that

2127
01:30:13,416 --> 01:30:13,625
because you are going to get.

2128
01:30:13,666 --> 01:30:15,000
Absolutely

2129
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:16,583
hounded, but

2130
01:30:16,583 --> 01:30:17,208
you've got to

2131
01:30:17,208 --> 01:30:18,333
have big skin,

2132
01:30:18,333 --> 01:30:19,375
right? So it's

2133
01:30:19,375 --> 01:30:19,708
true. Those

2134
01:30:19,708 --> 01:30:20,500
comments can be

2135
01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:21,291
brutal. My first

2136
01:30:21,291 --> 01:30:22,541
video I ever so I

2137
01:30:22,541 --> 01:30:23,208
did video before

2138
01:30:23,208 --> 01:30:24,500
I did podcast. My

2139
01:30:24,500 --> 01:30:25,208
first video ever

2140
01:30:25,208 --> 01:30:25,958
posted I had

2141
01:30:25,958 --> 01:30:27,416
someone put in

2142
01:30:27,416 --> 01:30:29,458
like STU STFU

2143
01:30:29,458 --> 01:30:30,500
like the first

2144
01:30:30,500 --> 01:30:31,291
that was my first

2145
01:30:31,291 --> 01:30:32,833
comment ever on a

2146
01:30:32,833 --> 01:30:33,375
video that had

2147
01:30:33,375 --> 01:30:34,000
nothing to do

2148
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:34,583
with a I wasn't

2149
01:30:34,583 --> 01:30:35,000
going after

2150
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:35,333
you're just

2151
01:30:35,333 --> 01:30:36,000
sitting there

2152
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:36,875
like welcome to

2153
01:30:36,875 --> 01:30:37,375
you. That's my

2154
01:30:37,375 --> 01:30:37,833
welcome to

2155
01:30:37,833 --> 01:30:39,083
YouTube. And you

2156
01:30:39,083 --> 01:30:40,250
know what? I'm

2157
01:30:40,250 --> 01:30:41,416
now in a position

2158
01:30:41,416 --> 01:30:42,375
where I've built

2159
01:30:42,375 --> 01:30:43,625
a really nice kid. And you know what? I'm now in a position where I've built a really nice kid. And I'm a

2160
01:30:43,666 --> 01:30:44,125
community of

2161
01:30:44,125 --> 01:30:44,458
people and

2162
01:30:44,458 --> 01:30:45,083
there's a lot of

2163
01:30:45,083 --> 01:30:45,541
people that

2164
01:30:45,541 --> 01:30:46,333
regularly watch

2165
01:30:46,333 --> 01:30:47,625
my videos who are

2166
01:30:47,625 --> 01:30:49,208
super nice, super

2167
01:30:49,208 --> 01:30:49,625
supportive,

2168
01:30:49,875 --> 01:30:50,375
really friendly,

2169
01:30:50,791 --> 01:30:51,458
but every single

2170
01:30:51,458 --> 01:30:52,916
day every single

2171
01:30:52,916 --> 01:30:53,875
day I will get

2172
01:30:53,875 --> 01:30:55,250
multiple comments

2173
01:30:55,250 --> 01:30:57,208
that are that are

2174
01:30:57,208 --> 01:30:58,500
really mean. But

2175
01:30:58,500 --> 01:31:00,666
if I if I wasn't

2176
01:31:00,666 --> 01:31:01,833
able to hack it,

2177
01:31:02,083 --> 01:31:02,750
yeah, I would

2178
01:31:02,750 --> 01:31:03,541
never have got

2179
01:31:03,541 --> 01:31:04,166
into this game

2180
01:31:04,166 --> 01:31:05,666
for sure. Yeah,

2181
01:31:05,666 --> 01:31:06,541
yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2182
01:31:06,541 --> 01:31:07,250
See, I I didn't

2183
01:31:07,250 --> 01:31:07,500
even thought

2184
01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:08,291
about that aspect

2185
01:31:08,291 --> 01:31:09,250
of it. I know you

2186
01:31:09,250 --> 01:31:10,250
find it because I

2187
01:31:10,250 --> 01:31:10,708
think the larger

2188
01:31:10,708 --> 01:31:11,958
following you get

2189
01:31:11,958 --> 01:31:12,458
and I think most

2190
01:31:12,458 --> 01:31:13,000
people just say

2191
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:13,250
you just

2192
01:31:13,875 --> 01:31:14,250
people I know

2193
01:31:14,250 --> 01:31:14,583
that have big

2194
01:31:14,583 --> 01:31:15,041
father, they just

2195
01:31:15,041 --> 01:31:15,625
say just ignore

2196
01:31:15,625 --> 01:31:17,041
it. Yeah, yeah.

2197
01:31:17,041 --> 01:31:18,041
There's the thing

2198
01:31:18,041 --> 01:31:18,625
is I look at

2199
01:31:18,625 --> 01:31:19,083
this, there's

2200
01:31:19,083 --> 01:31:19,833
sometimes you

2201
01:31:19,833 --> 01:31:21,750
know, you'll I've

2202
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:22,750
learned over the

2203
01:31:22,750 --> 01:31:23,791
years to kind of

2204
01:31:23,791 --> 01:31:24,583
recognize the

2205
01:31:24,583 --> 01:31:25,500
comments where

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01:31:25,500 --> 01:31:28,083
someone the way

2207
01:31:28,083 --> 01:31:29,083
they phrase the

2208
01:31:29,083 --> 01:31:30,041
comment, you look

2209
01:31:30,041 --> 01:31:30,666
at it and go,

2210
01:31:30,875 --> 01:31:31,916
right. Okay. I

2211
01:31:31,916 --> 01:31:32,458
think I could

2212
01:31:32,458 --> 01:31:33,166
maybe change this

2213
01:31:33,166 --> 01:31:33,958
person's mind or

2214
01:31:33,958 --> 01:31:34,791
at least have

2215
01:31:34,791 --> 01:31:36,416
some kind of

2216
01:31:36,416 --> 01:31:37,083
engaging

2217
01:31:37,083 --> 01:31:38,416
discussion or

2218
01:31:38,416 --> 01:31:39,625
debate and maybe

2219
01:31:39,625 --> 01:31:40,250
we'll come away

2220
01:31:40,250 --> 01:31:40,916
from it and still

2221
01:31:40,916 --> 01:31:41,291
both be

2222
01:31:41,291 --> 01:31:41,791
disagreeing with

2223
01:31:41,791 --> 01:31:42,208
each other. But

2224
01:31:42,208 --> 01:31:42,500
we've had

2225
01:31:42,500 --> 01:31:43,416
it in a in a

2226
01:31:43,666 --> 01:31:45,541
really adult way.

2227
01:31:46,041 --> 01:31:46,333
Whereas you can

2228
01:31:46,333 --> 01:31:47,125
see the comments

2229
01:31:47,125 --> 01:31:48,791
from people who

2230
01:31:48,791 --> 01:31:49,708
you know that

2231
01:31:49,708 --> 01:31:50,708
that's never

2232
01:31:50,708 --> 01:31:51,500
going to work and

2233
01:31:51,500 --> 01:31:52,250
I spot them now

2234
01:31:52,250 --> 01:31:53,666
and go, no, I

2235
01:31:53,666 --> 01:31:54,250
think. Yeah.

2236
01:31:54,541 --> 01:31:54,750
Well, because

2237
01:31:54,750 --> 01:31:55,208
there's sometimes

2238
01:31:55,208 --> 01:31:56,083
where I feel like

2239
01:31:56,083 --> 01:31:56,708
if there's a

2240
01:31:56,708 --> 01:31:57,416
comment that said

2241
01:31:57,416 --> 01:31:59,041
that's pretty

2242
01:31:59,041 --> 01:32:00,791
much wrong. I'll

2243
01:32:00,791 --> 01:32:01,500
answer it. I'll

2244
01:32:01,500 --> 01:32:02,041
answer it and be

2245
01:32:02,041 --> 01:32:02,666
like, actually,

2246
01:32:02,666 --> 01:32:03,958
no, the fact that

2247
01:32:03,958 --> 01:32:04,750
what you said is

2248
01:32:04,750 --> 01:32:05,125
actually

2249
01:32:05,125 --> 01:32:05,958
factually not

2250
01:32:05,958 --> 01:32:07,041
true. And here's

2251
01:32:07,041 --> 01:32:07,625
the truth because

2252
01:32:07,625 --> 01:32:08,875
I want the other

2253
01:32:08,875 --> 01:32:10,583
people who look

2254
01:32:10,583 --> 01:32:11,500
at the comments.

2255
01:32:11,500 --> 01:32:12,000
I don't want them

2256
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:12,500
to think that

2257
01:32:12,500 --> 01:32:13,333
that's that I let

2258
01:32:13,333 --> 01:32:13,625
that go.

2259
01:32:13,625 --> 01:32:14,583
Because that is

2260
01:32:14,583 --> 01:32:16,041
true. Yeah. So

2261
01:32:16,041 --> 01:32:16,541
like there's some

2262
01:32:16,541 --> 01:32:17,166
of that that will

2263
01:32:17,166 --> 01:32:17,583
agree with me

2264
01:32:17,583 --> 01:32:18,041
like, oh, yeah.

2265
01:32:18,041 --> 01:32:18,666
And then I did so

2266
01:32:18,666 --> 01:32:19,041
and so I'm like,

2267
01:32:19,041 --> 01:32:19,750
that's true.

2268
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:21,541
Okay, cool. I'll

2269
01:32:21,541 --> 01:32:22,125
just leave it be

2270
01:32:22,125 --> 01:32:22,750
I'll put a like

2271
01:32:22,750 --> 01:32:23,291
to it or

2272
01:32:23,291 --> 01:32:24,291
whatever. But for

2273
01:32:24,291 --> 01:32:25,208
the ones that are

2274
01:32:25,208 --> 01:32:26,250
false, I'll just

2275
01:32:26,250 --> 01:32:26,833
go on. I'll be

2276
01:32:26,833 --> 01:32:27,416
like, actually,

2277
01:32:27,791 --> 01:32:28,583
you know, you

2278
01:32:28,583 --> 01:32:29,416
know,

2279
01:32:30,083 --> 01:32:30,291
respectfully,

2280
01:32:30,291 --> 01:32:31,000
that's not true.

2281
01:32:31,250 --> 01:32:31,875
Here's here's

2282
01:32:31,875 --> 01:32:33,208
what evidence has

2283
01:32:33,208 --> 01:32:34,416
shown. If you can

2284
01:32:34,416 --> 01:32:34,875
show evidence,

2285
01:32:34,875 --> 01:32:35,500
show it and they

2286
01:32:35,500 --> 01:32:36,375
never do. Right.

2287
01:32:36,500 --> 01:32:36,833
It's that. But

2288
01:32:36,833 --> 01:32:37,500
yeah, it's that

2289
01:32:37,500 --> 01:32:37,958
fine line, isn't

2290
01:32:37,958 --> 01:32:38,875
it? You'll you

2291
01:32:38,875 --> 01:32:39,500
just get people

2292
01:32:39,500 --> 01:32:40,291
even when you do

2293
01:32:40,291 --> 01:32:40,791
that sometimes

2294
01:32:40,791 --> 01:32:41,166
they'll just be

2295
01:32:41,166 --> 01:32:42,791
like, nope. Yeah.

2296
01:32:43,083 --> 01:32:43,625
Yeah. Yeah.

2297
01:32:43,625 --> 01:32:44,875
Exactly. I don't

2298
01:32:44,875 --> 01:32:45,583
get I don't get

2299
01:32:45,583 --> 01:32:46,250
near as many as

2300
01:32:46,250 --> 01:32:46,791
you guys. But

2301
01:32:46,791 --> 01:32:47,291
when I do, I

2302
01:32:47,291 --> 01:32:47,875
generally just

2303
01:32:47,875 --> 01:32:49,625
don't respond at

2304
01:32:49,625 --> 01:32:50,541
all. Unless it's

2305
01:32:50,541 --> 01:32:51,541
really something

2306
01:32:51,541 --> 01:32:52,833
I think I might

2307
01:32:52,833 --> 01:32:53,458
feel like, yeah,

2308
01:32:53,833 --> 01:32:54,541
say something. I

2309
01:32:54,541 --> 01:32:55,333
just it's just I

2310
01:32:55,333 --> 01:32:55,791
just find it's

2311
01:32:55,791 --> 01:32:56,875
just, if you just

2312
01:32:56,875 --> 01:32:57,666
just making that

2313
01:32:57,666 --> 01:32:58,458
comment, then you

2314
01:32:58,458 --> 01:32:58,916
suddenly you've

2315
01:32:58,916 --> 01:32:59,541
got this person

2316
01:32:59,541 --> 01:33:00,291
engaged, and then

2317
01:33:00,291 --> 01:33:00,541
they're just

2318
01:33:00,541 --> 01:33:01,291
going to unload

2319
01:33:01,291 --> 01:33:02,041
and just, yeah,

2320
01:33:02,541 --> 01:33:03,250
it's just, yeah,

2321
01:33:03,250 --> 01:33:03,791
it's a it's a

2322
01:33:03,791 --> 01:33:04,250
snowball

2323
01:33:04,250 --> 01:33:05,333
situation. Big

2324
01:33:05,333 --> 01:33:06,250
time. And I've

2325
01:33:06,250 --> 01:33:06,666
talked to some

2326
01:33:06,666 --> 01:33:07,291
people that have

2327
01:33:07,291 --> 01:33:08,000
like, like

2328
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,333
yourself have big

2329
01:33:09,333 --> 01:33:10,166
followings and

2330
01:33:10,166 --> 01:33:11,000
stuff. And it's

2331
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:11,583
just they just

2332
01:33:11,583 --> 01:33:12,208
say they just

2333
01:33:12,208 --> 01:33:12,958
stopped doing it

2334
01:33:12,958 --> 01:33:13,625
all together. But

2335
01:33:13,625 --> 01:33:14,208
I think it's a

2336
01:33:14,208 --> 01:33:14,500
tough thing. I

2337
01:33:14,500 --> 01:33:15,875
mean, but I think

2338
01:33:15,875 --> 01:33:16,916
with like the

2339
01:33:16,916 --> 01:33:17,500
scientists, I

2340
01:33:17,500 --> 01:33:19,500
think that's one

2341
01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:20,208
if I if I got

2342
01:33:20,208 --> 01:33:21,750
comments from a

2343
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:23,416
scientist who I'd

2344
01:33:23,416 --> 01:33:24,541
maybe done a

2345
01:33:24,541 --> 01:33:25,708
video about their

2346
01:33:25,708 --> 01:33:26,208
research, I think

2347
01:33:26,208 --> 01:33:30,458
that's one of the things that I

2348
01:33:30,458 --> 01:33:30,791
would do. Yeah.

2349
01:33:46,291 --> 01:33:47,541
Yeah, it makes a

2350
01:33:47,541 --> 01:33:48,375
difference. Yeah.

2351
01:33:48,500 --> 01:33:49,083
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2352
01:33:49,083 --> 01:33:49,291
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2353
01:33:49,291 --> 01:33:49,916
That's that's a

2354
01:33:49,916 --> 01:33:50,333
different thing.

2355
01:33:50,333 --> 01:33:50,666
Like if it's

2356
01:33:50,666 --> 01:33:51,625
somebody I've

2357
01:33:51,625 --> 01:33:52,208
mentioned their

2358
01:33:52,208 --> 01:33:53,000
work or something

2359
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:53,625
that says, well, you missed that one or something. And I know I know the person I'm like, Okay, yeah, that that that's somebody I know. But if it's some random person, I'm not even sure who their hand is. Yeah.

2360
01:34:02,375 --> 01:34:04,000
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2361
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:04,541
There's a lot of

2362
01:34:04,541 --> 01:34:05,291
one of the one of

2363
01:34:05,291 --> 01:34:05,916
the things that's

2364
01:34:05,916 --> 01:34:06,583
that's cropping

2365
01:34:06,583 --> 01:34:07,958
up a little bit

2366
01:34:07,958 --> 01:34:08,541
more at the

2367
01:34:08,541 --> 01:34:09,541
moment is so I

2368
01:34:09,541 --> 01:34:11,458
just did a video

2369
01:34:11,458 --> 01:34:11,625
that came out yesterday about Austin Gallagher's stuff that he did a couple of years back now
where they think the Insta 360 camera on the Tiger Shark and then the Seagrass Meadow stuff.

2370
01:34:24,166 --> 01:34:25,500
Yeah. And the

2371
01:34:25,500 --> 01:34:26,208
video is done

2372
01:34:26,208 --> 01:34:27,625
done well right

2373
01:34:27,625 --> 01:34:28,583
over overnight

2374
01:34:28,583 --> 01:34:30,041
and Austin knew

2375
01:34:30,041 --> 01:34:30,708
that I was going

2376
01:34:30,708 --> 01:34:31,625
to going to be making it. He was really helpful. Kind of gave me some footage to use that kind of stuff. So so he knew that was going to happen. But I always one of my worries is there's there's quite a lot of people in the comments.

2377
01:34:41,416 --> 01:34:42,458
I've been looking

2378
01:34:42,458 --> 01:34:43,208
at today have

2379
01:34:43,208 --> 01:34:44,458
been like that

2380
01:34:44,458 --> 01:34:45,500
tags like way too

2381
01:34:45,500 --> 01:34:46,000
big for that

2382
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:46,833
shark. It looks

2383
01:34:46,833 --> 01:34:48,083
massive and I

2384
01:34:48,083 --> 01:34:48,500
look at it and

2385
01:34:48,500 --> 01:34:49,458
go, Oh God, like,

2386
01:34:49,458 --> 01:34:50,208
you know, now

2387
01:34:50,208 --> 01:34:50,625
people are

2388
01:34:50,625 --> 01:34:51,333
thinking beneath

2389
01:34:51,333 --> 01:34:51,833
the waves are

2390
01:34:51,833 --> 01:34:52,250
putting these

2391
01:34:52,250 --> 01:34:52,625
monster ridiculous size tags on because because I didn't take that 30 seconds in
the video to be like, Oh, yes, the tag is only less than the size of the shark.

2392
01:34:52,625 --> 01:34:58,458
This type of

2393
01:34:58,458 --> 01:35:03,833
thing. But the

2394
01:35:03,833 --> 01:35:04,708
360 cameras

2395
01:35:04,708 --> 01:35:05,708
warping it making

2396
01:35:05,708 --> 01:35:06,416
it look bigger.

2397
01:35:06,416 --> 01:35:07,125
People don't see

2398
01:35:07,125 --> 01:35:07,666
that they see a

2399
01:35:07,666 --> 01:35:08,500
big orange thing.

2400
01:35:08,500 --> 01:35:09,541
Oh my God. Yeah,

2401
01:35:09,541 --> 01:35:10,125
that's way too

2402
01:35:10,125 --> 01:35:11,125
big. This, you

2403
01:35:11,125 --> 01:35:11,375
know, this

2404
01:35:11,375 --> 01:35:11,958
beneath the waves

2405
01:35:11,958 --> 01:35:12,625
companies doing

2406
01:35:12,625 --> 01:35:13,458
awful things to

2407
01:35:13,458 --> 01:35:14,541
Tiger Shark.

2408
01:35:14,791 --> 01:35:16,041
Oh God, what like

2409
01:35:16,041 --> 01:35:16,625
I saw since

2410
01:35:16,625 --> 01:35:17,291
seeing that now

2411
01:35:17,291 --> 01:35:18,083
and going, why

2412
01:35:18,083 --> 01:35:18,416
have you done

2413
01:35:18,416 --> 01:35:19,333
this to me? Yeah,

2414
01:35:19,333 --> 01:35:20,250
yeah, yeah, yeah.

2415
01:35:20,250 --> 01:35:20,875
But I also think

2416
01:35:20,875 --> 01:35:21,625
I also feel like I know what you mean. And some of the things that I've been doing is that I've been doing this for a long time.

2417
01:35:21,666 --> 01:35:22,125
I know what you

2418
01:35:22,125 --> 01:35:22,541
mean. And

2419
01:35:22,541 --> 01:35:22,958
sometimes you

2420
01:35:22,958 --> 01:35:23,416
can't predict

2421
01:35:23,416 --> 01:35:24,166
these because you

2422
01:35:24,166 --> 01:35:24,708
don't think about

2423
01:35:24,708 --> 01:35:25,000
it, right?

2424
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:25,541
Because you know

2425
01:35:25,541 --> 01:35:26,333
that it's not

2426
01:35:26,333 --> 01:35:27,166
that big and you

2427
01:35:27,166 --> 01:35:27,708
know, it's also

2428
01:35:27,708 --> 01:35:28,125
you don't think

2429
01:35:28,125 --> 01:35:29,500
about it. But I

2430
01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:30,000
feel like that's

2431
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:30,875
it. That's almost

2432
01:35:30,875 --> 01:35:31,291
like another

2433
01:35:31,291 --> 01:35:31,916
video where you

2434
01:35:31,916 --> 01:35:32,625
can actually

2435
01:35:32,625 --> 01:35:33,833
educate people on

2436
01:35:33,833 --> 01:35:34,750
because it's a

2437
01:35:34,750 --> 01:35:36,500
it's a it's a I

2438
01:35:36,500 --> 01:35:37,125
like it's a

2439
01:35:37,125 --> 01:35:37,875
critic. Like it's

2440
01:35:37,875 --> 01:35:38,875
a critique, but

2441
01:35:38,875 --> 01:35:39,166
you're like, Oh

2442
01:35:39,166 --> 01:35:39,916
yeah, I see that

2443
01:35:39,916 --> 01:35:41,041
I can do either

2444
01:35:41,041 --> 01:35:41,958
another video or

2445
01:35:41,958 --> 01:35:42,791
I can address it

2446
01:35:42,791 --> 01:35:43,458
in the comments

2447
01:35:43,458 --> 01:35:44,166
or I've got it

2448
01:35:44,166 --> 01:35:44,750
written down.

2449
01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:45,458
I've got the

2450
01:35:45,458 --> 01:35:46,750
idea. It's on my

2451
01:35:46,750 --> 01:35:47,208
phone. I can

2452
01:35:47,208 --> 01:35:47,833
share it to you.

2453
01:35:47,833 --> 01:35:48,583
It says does

2454
01:35:48,583 --> 01:35:49,500
tagging hurt

2455
01:35:49,500 --> 01:35:50,625
sharks and that's not going to be good.

2456
01:35:50,666 --> 01:35:51,666
That's going to

2457
01:35:51,666 --> 01:35:52,625
be the title, but

2458
01:35:52,625 --> 01:35:53,291
it's something

2459
01:35:53,291 --> 01:35:54,125
like that. I

2460
01:35:54,125 --> 01:35:54,958
mean, because of

2461
01:35:54,958 --> 01:35:55,583
that right there

2462
01:35:55,583 --> 01:35:57,291
is as it's about

2463
01:35:57,291 --> 01:35:58,000
finding these

2464
01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:58,625
little topics

2465
01:35:58,625 --> 01:35:59,708
that where you're

2466
01:35:59,708 --> 01:36:00,208
going to get a

2467
01:36:00,208 --> 01:36:00,625
bunch of people

2468
01:36:00,625 --> 01:36:01,041
that are being

2469
01:36:01,041 --> 01:36:01,833
like, yes, it

2470
01:36:01,833 --> 01:36:02,666
absolutely does.

2471
01:36:02,666 --> 01:36:02,958
And then you're

2472
01:36:02,958 --> 01:36:03,458
going to get a

2473
01:36:03,458 --> 01:36:04,250
few other people

2474
01:36:04,250 --> 01:36:05,333
going, I know

2475
01:36:05,333 --> 01:36:05,750
it's important

2476
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:06,375
for the science.

2477
01:36:06,625 --> 01:36:07,083
And then suddenly

2478
01:36:07,083 --> 01:36:07,708
you've got, you

2479
01:36:07,708 --> 01:36:08,625
know, debate and

2480
01:36:08,625 --> 01:36:09,666
engagement and

2481
01:36:09,666 --> 01:36:10,666
the wheels start

2482
01:36:10,666 --> 01:36:10,875
turning.

2483
01:36:11,625 --> 01:36:12,041
Well, the thing

2484
01:36:12,041 --> 01:36:12,541
is, you know,

2485
01:36:13,083 --> 01:36:13,583
whenever I hear

2486
01:36:13,583 --> 01:36:14,833
that comes up,

2487
01:36:14,833 --> 01:36:15,250
like when we

2488
01:36:15,250 --> 01:36:16,375
people get like

2489
01:36:16,375 --> 01:36:17,125
what we call an

2490
01:36:17,125 --> 01:36:18,000
IACUC here in the

2491
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:18,541
States, like an

2492
01:36:18,541 --> 01:36:18,958
animal

2493
01:36:18,958 --> 01:36:20,791
health thing.

2494
01:36:21,708 --> 01:36:22,250
And I've never

2495
01:36:22,250 --> 01:36:22,791
been I've never

2496
01:36:22,791 --> 01:36:24,458
really done. I've

2497
01:36:24,458 --> 01:36:25,000
been involved in

2498
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:25,458
a little bit of

2499
01:36:25,458 --> 01:36:26,083
tagging. It's not

2500
01:36:26,083 --> 01:36:26,791
really my thing.

2501
01:36:26,791 --> 01:36:27,416
I have other I'm

2502
01:36:27,416 --> 01:36:27,958
usually like just

2503
01:36:27,958 --> 01:36:29,541
a side side

2504
01:36:29,541 --> 01:36:30,291
person on it.

2505
01:36:30,500 --> 01:36:31,833
But but you get

2506
01:36:31,833 --> 01:36:32,500
these people like

2507
01:36:32,500 --> 01:36:33,208
they think, well,

2508
01:36:33,208 --> 01:36:33,750
how much you're

2509
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:34,125
hurting the

2510
01:36:34,125 --> 01:36:34,625
shark? I'm

2511
01:36:34,625 --> 01:36:35,166
thinking like,

2512
01:36:35,541 --> 01:36:35,958
have you ever

2513
01:36:35,958 --> 01:36:36,708
watched sharks,

2514
01:36:36,708 --> 01:36:38,625
mate? Literally,

2515
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:39,375
you're tough.

2516
01:36:39,625 --> 01:36:40,166
You look at the

2517
01:36:40,166 --> 01:36:40,708
females,

2518
01:36:41,083 --> 01:36:41,416
particularly

2519
01:36:41,416 --> 01:36:42,041
after mating

2520
01:36:42,041 --> 01:36:42,875
event, they look

2521
01:36:42,875 --> 01:36:43,750
you're like, how

2522
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:44,083
is this thing

2523
01:36:44,083 --> 01:36:44,500
still alive?

2524
01:36:44,750 --> 01:36:46,333
Yeah. Yeah. And

2525
01:36:46,333 --> 01:36:46,875
they and they

2526
01:36:46,875 --> 01:36:47,791
heal up within a

2527
01:36:47,791 --> 01:36:48,458
couple of weeks.

2528
01:36:48,458 --> 01:36:49,041
You never see

2529
01:36:49,041 --> 01:36:50,458
some scars. Yeah.

2530
01:36:50,666 --> 01:36:51,541
Yeah. And so I

2531
01:36:51,541 --> 01:36:52,583
guess the point

2532
01:36:52,583 --> 01:36:53,000
is like sharks

2533
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:53,375
are a lot

2534
01:36:53,375 --> 01:36:54,666
tougher, you

2535
01:36:54,666 --> 01:36:55,791
know, that if I

2536
01:36:55,791 --> 01:36:56,416
mean, to me, like

2537
01:36:56,416 --> 01:36:57,000
putting the tag

2538
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:57,750
on pretty

2539
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:58,208
minimal.

2540
01:36:58,791 --> 01:36:59,208
Yeah. Now, if

2541
01:36:59,208 --> 01:36:59,583
it's sometimes,

2542
01:36:59,583 --> 01:37:00,500
you know, I think

2543
01:37:00,500 --> 01:37:01,416
sometimes you can

2544
01:37:01,416 --> 01:37:02,375
the thing with

2545
01:37:02,375 --> 01:37:03,375
the tags, you can

2546
01:37:03,375 --> 01:37:04,000
attract other

2547
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:04,541
sharks, which

2548
01:37:04,541 --> 01:37:05,416
might go for the

2549
01:37:05,416 --> 01:37:07,000
tag. That happens

2550
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:08,208
on that's well

2551
01:37:08,208 --> 01:37:08,708
known and like

2552
01:37:08,708 --> 01:37:09,166
terrestrial

2553
01:37:09,166 --> 01:37:09,791
animals when they

2554
01:37:09,791 --> 01:37:11,125
used to one of

2555
01:37:11,125 --> 01:37:11,916
the famous things

2556
01:37:11,916 --> 01:37:12,541
they used to tag

2557
01:37:12,541 --> 01:37:13,375
like wildebeest

2558
01:37:13,375 --> 01:37:13,625
in Africa.

2559
01:37:13,625 --> 01:37:14,750
And they would

2560
01:37:14,750 --> 01:37:15,666
they would paint

2561
01:37:15,666 --> 01:37:16,666
the horn tag the

2562
01:37:16,666 --> 01:37:17,208
horn so they

2563
01:37:17,208 --> 01:37:17,708
could the

2564
01:37:17,708 --> 01:37:18,625
researchers could

2565
01:37:18,625 --> 01:37:19,916
see it. And what

2566
01:37:19,916 --> 01:37:20,583
happened was the

2567
01:37:20,583 --> 01:37:21,125
lions and the

2568
01:37:21,125 --> 01:37:22,541
hyenas would zero

2569
01:37:22,541 --> 01:37:23,750
in and take those

2570
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:24,208
the ones they

2571
01:37:24,208 --> 01:37:24,708
would take out of

2572
01:37:24,708 --> 01:37:25,500
the herd because

2573
01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:26,000
they could keep

2574
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,500
it focused on on

2575
01:37:27,500 --> 01:37:27,875
the one that

2576
01:37:27,875 --> 01:37:28,625
was tagged.

2577
01:37:28,625 --> 01:37:30,083
Yeah. And so the

2578
01:37:30,083 --> 01:37:30,833
so they're kind

2579
01:37:30,833 --> 01:37:31,541
of like in that

2580
01:37:31,541 --> 01:37:32,000
case was a

2581
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:32,458
different thing

2582
01:37:32,458 --> 01:37:33,000
that was there.

2583
01:37:33,500 --> 01:37:34,125
They were they

2584
01:37:34,125 --> 01:37:34,666
were basically

2585
01:37:34,666 --> 01:37:35,333
telling the

2586
01:37:35,333 --> 01:37:35,958
predators like,

2587
01:37:35,958 --> 01:37:36,750
hey, come eat me.

2588
01:37:37,250 --> 01:37:38,166
Right. Right.

2589
01:37:38,333 --> 01:37:39,458
Yeah. Yeah. So

2590
01:37:39,458 --> 01:37:40,583
that's that's a

2591
01:37:40,583 --> 01:37:41,458
legitimate thing.

2592
01:37:41,458 --> 01:37:42,041
You could you

2593
01:37:42,041 --> 01:37:42,458
could debate

2594
01:37:42,458 --> 01:37:42,625
about like,

2595
01:37:42,625 --> 01:37:44,250
putting a tag on

2596
01:37:44,250 --> 01:37:44,708
there that's not

2597
01:37:44,708 --> 01:37:45,208
going to attract

2598
01:37:45,208 --> 01:37:46,375
other sharks that

2599
01:37:46,375 --> 01:37:47,000
might cause them

2600
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:47,833
to eat eat them

2601
01:37:47,833 --> 01:37:48,500
or something like

2602
01:37:48,500 --> 01:37:50,000
that. Yeah. Yeah.

2603
01:37:50,083 --> 01:37:50,625
And to be fair,

2604
01:37:50,625 --> 01:37:51,291
you know, that's

2605
01:37:51,291 --> 01:37:52,833
I see that was a

2606
01:37:52,833 --> 01:37:54,041
couple of a

2607
01:37:54,041 --> 01:37:54,333
couple of

2608
01:37:54,333 --> 01:37:54,625
commenters

2609
01:37:54,625 --> 01:37:55,250
concerns. They

2610
01:37:55,250 --> 01:37:55,666
were going, you

2611
01:37:55,666 --> 01:37:56,541
know, just does

2612
01:37:56,541 --> 01:37:57,250
that does that

2613
01:37:57,250 --> 01:37:57,625
tag attract other sharks?

2614
01:37:57,625 --> 01:37:59,000
And then you kind

2615
01:37:59,000 --> 01:37:59,791
of then you're

2616
01:37:59,791 --> 01:38:00,333
talking about,

2617
01:38:00,333 --> 01:38:01,500
you know, how

2618
01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:03,166
light starts to

2619
01:38:03,166 --> 01:38:04,500
sort of diffuse

2620
01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:05,541
as you go deeper.

2621
01:38:05,916 --> 01:38:06,833
So, you know, a

2622
01:38:06,833 --> 01:38:07,583
bright orange tag

2623
01:38:07,583 --> 01:38:08,250
at the surface

2624
01:38:08,250 --> 01:38:08,875
isn't going to

2625
01:38:08,875 --> 01:38:09,208
look bright

2626
01:38:09,208 --> 01:38:10,250
orange down, you

2627
01:38:10,250 --> 01:38:10,833
know, down at

2628
01:38:10,833 --> 01:38:11,875
whatever 40 50

2629
01:38:11,875 --> 01:38:13,041
meters. So there

2630
01:38:13,041 --> 01:38:13,916
are so many

2631
01:38:13,916 --> 01:38:14,666
different kind of

2632
01:38:14,666 --> 01:38:15,375
permutations of

2633
01:38:15,375 --> 01:38:15,625
it, isn't there? Yeah.

2634
01:38:15,666 --> 01:38:16,583
Yeah. I mean, I

2635
01:38:16,583 --> 01:38:18,041
go go go. So I

2636
01:38:18,041 --> 01:38:18,666
just wanted like,

2637
01:38:18,875 --> 01:38:20,000
you know, one

2638
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:20,750
thing I want to

2639
01:38:20,750 --> 01:38:21,708
when we got onto

2640
01:38:21,708 --> 01:38:22,375
this on this

2641
01:38:22,375 --> 01:38:22,833
topic, because I

2642
01:38:22,833 --> 01:38:23,166
want to dive

2643
01:38:23,166 --> 01:38:24,500
into, you know,

2644
01:38:24,583 --> 01:38:25,000
the YouTube

2645
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:25,708
channel and your

2646
01:38:25,708 --> 01:38:25,916
science

2647
01:38:25,916 --> 01:38:26,375
communication.

2648
01:38:26,750 --> 01:38:27,583
But, you know,

2649
01:38:27,583 --> 01:38:28,708
you mentioned you

2650
01:38:28,708 --> 01:38:29,291
started the

2651
01:38:29,291 --> 01:38:29,958
channel because

2652
01:38:29,958 --> 01:38:30,333
you were looking

2653
01:38:30,333 --> 01:38:32,125
for a job. Now,

2654
01:38:32,458 --> 01:38:33,458
for me, the

2655
01:38:33,458 --> 01:38:34,666
podcast changed

2656
01:38:34,666 --> 01:38:36,000
my life in ways

2657
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:36,500
that I never

2658
01:38:36,500 --> 01:38:37,541
expected, you

2659
01:38:37,541 --> 01:38:37,833
know, I was

2660
01:38:37,833 --> 01:38:38,250
starting to get

2661
01:38:38,250 --> 01:38:38,916
attention from a

2662
01:38:38,916 --> 01:38:39,125
lot of

2663
01:38:39,125 --> 01:38:39,625
scientists.

2664
01:38:39,625 --> 01:38:40,000
I was starting to

2665
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:40,375
get attention

2666
01:38:40,375 --> 01:38:41,291
from a lot of

2667
01:38:41,291 --> 01:38:42,291
people I had, you

2668
01:38:42,291 --> 01:38:43,541
know, I was I've

2669
01:38:43,541 --> 01:38:43,958
had the

2670
01:38:43,958 --> 01:38:44,875
opportunity to

2671
01:38:44,875 --> 01:38:46,041
cover conferences

2672
01:38:46,041 --> 01:38:46,708
where they flew

2673
01:38:46,708 --> 01:38:47,583
me out, you know,

2674
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:48,208
halfway across

2675
01:38:48,208 --> 01:38:48,875
the world to go

2676
01:38:48,875 --> 01:38:50,208
and I've had that

2677
01:38:50,208 --> 01:38:50,958
that that

2678
01:38:50,958 --> 01:38:51,625
privilege to be

2679
01:38:51,625 --> 01:38:52,083
able to do that

2680
01:38:52,083 --> 01:38:52,833
because of the

2681
01:38:52,833 --> 01:38:54,166
podcast I have

2682
01:38:54,166 --> 01:38:54,958
I've had like

2683
01:38:54,958 --> 01:38:55,791
documentary

2684
01:38:55,791 --> 01:38:57,666
offers from from

2685
01:38:57,666 --> 01:38:58,375
that, you know,

2686
01:38:58,875 --> 01:39:00,041
and I've I've

2687
01:39:00,041 --> 01:39:00,958
been able to do

2688
01:39:00,958 --> 01:39:02,125
like I was did a

2689
01:39:02,125 --> 01:39:03,041
podcast for the

2690
01:39:03,041 --> 01:39:04,125
zoo because of

2691
01:39:04,125 --> 01:39:04,791
the podcast my

2692
01:39:04,791 --> 01:39:05,333
podcasting

2693
01:39:05,333 --> 01:39:05,750
experience.

2694
01:39:06,625 --> 01:39:08,291
And for you, did

2695
01:39:08,291 --> 01:39:09,208
you find that

2696
01:39:09,208 --> 01:39:09,958
starting this

2697
01:39:09,958 --> 01:39:11,500
channel in any

2698
01:39:11,500 --> 01:39:13,500
way help get you

2699
01:39:13,500 --> 01:39:15,375
noticed for a

2700
01:39:15,375 --> 01:39:17,375
job? Like, did it

2701
01:39:17,375 --> 01:39:18,250
help your your

2702
01:39:18,250 --> 01:39:19,125
because for you

2703
01:39:19,125 --> 01:39:19,958
can argue some

2704
01:39:19,958 --> 01:39:20,666
for some people,

2705
01:39:20,666 --> 01:39:21,166
depending on what

2706
01:39:21,166 --> 01:39:21,750
you're doing,

2707
01:39:22,125 --> 01:39:22,875
that it could go

2708
01:39:22,875 --> 01:39:24,666
against you by

2709
01:39:24,666 --> 01:39:25,041
doing social

2710
01:39:25,041 --> 01:39:25,416
media, because

2711
01:39:25,416 --> 01:39:25,916
there's just some

2712
01:39:25,916 --> 01:39:26,500
people who just

2713
01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:27,625
don't like social

2714
01:39:27,625 --> 01:39:28,125
media, or they

2715
01:39:28,125 --> 01:39:28,666
think that it

2716
01:39:28,666 --> 01:39:29,125
might bring

2717
01:39:29,125 --> 01:39:29,458
negative

2718
01:39:29,458 --> 01:39:29,958
attention, not

2719
01:39:29,958 --> 01:39:30,208
that your

2720
01:39:30,208 --> 01:39:30,958
videos would.

2721
01:39:31,625 --> 01:39:32,083
But you know,

2722
01:39:32,083 --> 01:39:32,458
it's like some

2723
01:39:32,458 --> 01:39:33,291
people might see

2724
01:39:33,291 --> 01:39:33,958
it that way. And

2725
01:39:33,958 --> 01:39:34,416
then on the other

2726
01:39:34,416 --> 01:39:34,916
side, it could

2727
01:39:34,916 --> 01:39:35,375
help you because

2728
01:39:35,375 --> 01:39:36,291
it gets you like,

2729
01:39:36,875 --> 01:39:38,333
I feel like I

2730
01:39:38,333 --> 01:39:39,500
know you better,

2731
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:40,833
because I watch

2732
01:39:40,833 --> 01:39:42,250
the videos on a

2733
01:39:42,250 --> 01:39:42,958
regular basis.

2734
01:39:43,583 --> 01:39:44,291
So I get to know

2735
01:39:44,291 --> 01:39:44,875
your personality

2736
01:39:44,875 --> 01:39:45,583
a little bit. I

2737
01:39:45,583 --> 01:39:46,166
get to know, you

2738
01:39:46,166 --> 01:39:46,541
know, so your

2739
01:39:46,541 --> 01:39:47,291
mannerisms, it's

2740
01:39:47,291 --> 01:39:47,708
a bit of a

2741
01:39:47,708 --> 01:39:48,500
networking thing

2742
01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:49,083
without you

2743
01:39:49,083 --> 01:39:49,750
having to go out

2744
01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:50,708
and network. So I

2745
01:39:50,708 --> 01:39:51,000
would love to

2746
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:51,875
know if it helped

2747
01:39:51,875 --> 01:39:52,833
or in any kind of

2748
01:39:52,833 --> 01:39:54,083
way of like how

2749
01:39:54,083 --> 01:39:54,583
people have

2750
01:39:54,583 --> 01:39:55,375
treated you

2751
01:39:55,375 --> 01:39:56,625
because of this

2752
01:39:56,625 --> 01:39:58,208
in retrospect to

2753
01:39:58,208 --> 01:39:58,916
the profession.

2754
01:39:59,625 --> 01:40:00,333
So it's a bit of

2755
01:40:00,333 --> 01:40:01,000
both actually,

2756
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:02,750
Andrew. So back a

2757
01:40:02,750 --> 01:40:03,541
couple of years

2758
01:40:03,541 --> 01:40:04,583
ago now, I can't

2759
01:40:04,583 --> 01:40:05,083
I can't remember

2760
01:40:05,083 --> 01:40:06,041
the exact date.

2761
01:40:06,916 --> 01:40:07,333
And I'm gonna

2762
01:40:07,333 --> 01:40:07,875
name drop them

2763
01:40:07,875 --> 01:40:08,166
because you've

2764
01:40:08,166 --> 01:40:08,708
had a few on the

2765
01:40:08,708 --> 01:40:10,666
channel. But I

2766
01:40:10,666 --> 01:40:11,125
applied for a

2767
01:40:11,125 --> 01:40:11,833
sharp trust job,

2768
01:40:11,833 --> 01:40:13,125
right? So what

2769
01:40:13,125 --> 01:40:15,416
the job was, I'm

2770
01:40:15,416 --> 01:40:15,833
sure it was

2771
01:40:15,833 --> 01:40:16,416
titled something

2772
01:40:16,416 --> 01:40:18,541
like science

2773
01:40:18,541 --> 01:40:19,375
communicator,

2774
01:40:19,375 --> 01:40:19,625
right?

2775
01:40:19,625 --> 01:40:20,416
Right. That was

2776
01:40:20,416 --> 01:40:21,708
the job. And the

2777
01:40:21,708 --> 01:40:22,708
and the remit was

2778
01:40:22,708 --> 01:40:23,833
revamp the

2779
01:40:23,833 --> 01:40:24,583
YouTube channel.

2780
01:40:25,166 --> 01:40:26,083
Yes, revamp the

2781
01:40:26,083 --> 01:40:26,500
sharp trust

2782
01:40:26,500 --> 01:40:27,125
YouTube channel,

2783
01:40:27,125 --> 01:40:27,666
bring in new

2784
01:40:27,666 --> 01:40:28,916
ideas, all this

2785
01:40:28,916 --> 01:40:29,500
kind of stuff.

2786
01:40:29,500 --> 01:40:29,958
And I looked at

2787
01:40:29,958 --> 01:40:31,000
that, a couple of

2788
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:31,833
years ago, I

2789
01:40:31,833 --> 01:40:32,250
think it was

2790
01:40:32,250 --> 01:40:32,750
about three years

2791
01:40:32,750 --> 01:40:34,041
ago, I looked at

2792
01:40:34,041 --> 01:40:35,041
it and went, wow,

2793
01:40:35,791 --> 01:40:36,458
that's exactly

2794
01:40:36,458 --> 01:40:36,958
what I'm doing

2795
01:40:36,958 --> 01:40:37,416
right now.

2796
01:40:37,666 --> 01:40:38,166
And at the time,

2797
01:40:38,166 --> 01:40:38,666
I think I had

2798
01:40:38,666 --> 01:40:39,791
maybe like 60,000

2799
01:40:39,791 --> 01:40:40,500
subscribers, the

2800
01:40:40,500 --> 01:40:41,000
channel was doing

2801
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:41,958
okay, like it was

2802
01:40:41,958 --> 01:40:43,083
pulling in the

2803
01:40:43,083 --> 01:40:44,791
views, applied

2804
01:40:44,791 --> 01:40:46,583
for the job and

2805
01:40:46,583 --> 01:40:47,500
didn't get an

2806
01:40:47,500 --> 01:40:49,166
interview. And I

2807
01:40:49,166 --> 01:40:50,250
know Paul, so I

2808
01:40:50,250 --> 01:40:51,291
know Paul, the

2809
01:40:51,291 --> 01:40:52,625
director of the

2810
01:40:52,625 --> 01:40:53,083
the chartress, we

2811
01:40:53,083 --> 01:40:53,333
have a good

2812
01:40:53,333 --> 01:40:53,625
working

2813
01:40:53,625 --> 01:40:54,041
relationship

2814
01:40:54,041 --> 01:40:54,916
together with the

2815
01:40:54,916 --> 01:40:55,500
shark and

2816
01:40:55,500 --> 01:40:56,000
reentanglement

2817
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:56,291
network.

2818
01:40:56,666 --> 01:40:57,375
And I called him

2819
01:40:57,375 --> 01:40:59,166
up, just to ask

2820
01:40:59,166 --> 01:41:00,125
him, I said, you

2821
01:41:00,125 --> 01:41:01,125
know, I'd love to

2822
01:41:01,125 --> 01:41:01,708
have a bit of

2823
01:41:01,708 --> 01:41:02,708
feedback and see

2824
01:41:02,708 --> 01:41:03,750
what went wrong.

2825
01:41:04,583 --> 01:41:05,208
And he said in

2826
01:41:05,208 --> 01:41:05,875
that occasion,

2827
01:41:06,791 --> 01:41:09,625
that I was what

2828
01:41:09,625 --> 01:41:10,500
he said was the

2829
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:11,375
face, right? And

2830
01:41:11,375 --> 01:41:12,125
they maybe didn't

2831
01:41:12,125 --> 01:41:13,000
want necessarily

2832
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:14,833
a face, because

2833
01:41:14,833 --> 01:41:15,916
maybe the risk

2834
01:41:15,916 --> 01:41:17,375
with that is, if

2835
01:41:17,375 --> 01:41:19,041
I then sort of,

2836
01:41:19,041 --> 01:41:19,541
you know, cut,

2837
01:41:19,541 --> 01:41:19,958
yeah, if I come

2838
01:41:19,958 --> 01:41:20,541
to the chartress

2839
01:41:20,541 --> 01:41:21,291
channel, and I

2840
01:41:21,291 --> 01:41:22,666
and I do, you

2841
01:41:22,666 --> 01:41:23,375
know, talking

2842
01:41:23,375 --> 01:41:23,916
head style

2843
01:41:23,916 --> 01:41:25,416
videos, and then

2844
01:41:25,416 --> 01:41:25,625
in five years time, I live with a lot of people,
and I'm like, I'm not gonna do that.

2845
01:41:25,625 --> 01:41:26,250
And five years

2846
01:41:26,250 --> 01:41:28,000
time I leave all

2847
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:28,791
those people that

2848
01:41:28,791 --> 01:41:30,250
came and, and you

2849
01:41:30,250 --> 01:41:30,875
know, subscribed,

2850
01:41:30,875 --> 01:41:32,000
because of me

2851
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:32,833
leave as well.

2852
01:41:33,625 --> 01:41:34,750
And I understood

2853
01:41:34,750 --> 01:41:35,875
that I got it. I

2854
01:41:35,875 --> 01:41:36,625
was like, you

2855
01:41:36,625 --> 01:41:37,166
know what, I get

2856
01:41:37,166 --> 01:41:38,125
that. I think

2857
01:41:38,125 --> 01:41:39,125
it's fair. I was

2858
01:41:39,125 --> 01:41:39,916
disappointed. Of

2859
01:41:39,916 --> 01:41:40,250
course, I was

2860
01:41:40,250 --> 01:41:40,541
disappointed

2861
01:41:40,541 --> 01:41:41,541
because I was, I

2862
01:41:41,541 --> 01:41:42,083
was, it was in

2863
01:41:42,083 --> 01:41:42,250
that

2864
01:41:42,250 --> 01:41:42,625
period of time.

2865
01:41:42,666 --> 01:41:43,208
I'm going to find

2866
01:41:43,208 --> 01:41:43,791
loads of jobs.

2867
01:41:44,125 --> 01:41:44,541
Yeah, absolutely.

2868
01:41:45,125 --> 01:41:45,625
And let's be

2869
01:41:45,625 --> 01:41:45,916
honest to you.

2870
01:41:45,916 --> 01:41:46,666
Like you said

2871
01:41:46,666 --> 01:41:47,500
60,000, your,

2872
01:41:47,500 --> 01:41:48,166
your channels

2873
01:41:48,166 --> 01:41:48,666
doing okay.

2874
01:41:49,083 --> 01:41:51,416
That's amazing. I

2875
01:41:51,416 --> 01:41:51,833
know you're,

2876
01:41:51,833 --> 01:41:52,500
you're at, I'm

2877
01:41:52,500 --> 01:41:52,958
looking at your

2878
01:41:52,958 --> 01:41:53,541
channel. I think

2879
01:41:53,541 --> 01:41:53,875
you're at like

2880
01:41:53,875 --> 01:41:55,958
100, 156,000

2881
01:41:55,958 --> 01:41:56,666
right now, which

2882
01:41:56,666 --> 01:41:57,958
is beyond

2883
01:41:57,958 --> 01:41:58,375
amazing.

2884
01:41:58,625 --> 01:42:00,083
But 60,000 is

2885
01:42:00,083 --> 01:42:01,125
phenomenal to

2886
01:42:01,125 --> 01:42:01,875
have like that's

2887
01:42:01,875 --> 01:42:02,958
a big, I consider

2888
01:42:02,958 --> 01:42:03,500
that a big

2889
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:03,791
channel,

2890
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:05,458
especially for a

2891
01:42:05,458 --> 01:42:06,250
marine science

2892
01:42:06,250 --> 01:42:07,666
channel. I know

2893
01:42:07,666 --> 01:42:08,625
it's, it's mostly

2894
01:42:08,625 --> 01:42:09,125
sharks, but

2895
01:42:09,125 --> 01:42:10,500
that's huge to

2896
01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:11,583
cover science on

2897
01:42:11,583 --> 01:42:12,000
that. So that's

2898
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:12,666
like, you're a

2899
01:42:12,666 --> 01:42:13,708
pretty big deal

2900
01:42:13,708 --> 01:42:14,500
at this point,

2901
01:42:14,500 --> 01:42:15,500
even with 60,000

2902
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:16,958
K, you know,

2903
01:42:16,958 --> 01:42:17,708
within this whole

2904
01:42:17,708 --> 01:42:19,000
area of science

2905
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:19,916
communication on

2906
01:42:19,916 --> 01:42:20,625
YouTube, right?

2907
01:42:20,666 --> 01:42:22,208
Yeah, I mean, I

2908
01:42:22,208 --> 01:42:22,833
never see it that

2909
01:42:22,833 --> 01:42:23,625
I never look at

2910
01:42:23,625 --> 01:42:24,458
it. You're always

2911
01:42:24,458 --> 01:42:24,833
your biggest

2912
01:42:24,833 --> 01:42:25,625
self-critic. But

2913
01:42:25,625 --> 01:42:26,416
of course, it's

2914
01:42:26,416 --> 01:42:27,208
really nice to

2915
01:42:27,208 --> 01:42:28,458
hear that. Yeah.

2916
01:42:28,625 --> 01:42:29,250
You know, at

2917
01:42:29,250 --> 01:42:30,250
60,000, I was

2918
01:42:30,250 --> 01:42:31,625
like, I've got to

2919
01:42:31,625 --> 01:42:32,458
be I've got to be

2920
01:42:32,458 --> 01:42:33,416
a shoe in for at

2921
01:42:33,416 --> 01:42:33,750
least an

2922
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:34,375
interview here,

2923
01:42:34,375 --> 01:42:35,583
right? But I

2924
01:42:35,583 --> 01:42:36,416
understood it. So

2925
01:42:36,416 --> 01:42:37,125
that was a

2926
01:42:37,125 --> 01:42:37,916
situation where

2927
01:42:37,916 --> 01:42:38,791
it's not helped

2928
01:42:38,791 --> 01:42:40,375
me, right? So you

2929
01:42:40,375 --> 01:42:40,958
think it might

2930
01:42:40,958 --> 01:42:41,750
help the job

2931
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:42,625
looks right. It

2932
01:42:42,625 --> 01:42:43,916
looks bang on for

2933
01:42:43,916 --> 01:42:44,291
what you want to

2934
01:42:44,291 --> 01:42:45,500
do. Didn't work.

2935
01:42:45,875 --> 01:42:46,208
But there are

2936
01:42:46,208 --> 01:42:46,833
other cases where

2937
01:42:46,833 --> 01:42:47,750
it has helped. So

2938
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:49,625
I was super excited.

2939
01:42:49,625 --> 01:42:52,083
Last summer to

2940
01:42:52,083 --> 01:42:53,750
make my shark

2941
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:54,666
week debut, which

2942
01:42:54,666 --> 01:42:55,250
is one of these

2943
01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:56,291
things as like a

2944
01:42:56,291 --> 01:42:57,958
kid, you just I

2945
01:42:57,958 --> 01:42:58,583
don't know, I

2946
01:42:58,583 --> 01:42:59,125
like when I was

2947
01:42:59,125 --> 01:42:59,666
growing up, I

2948
01:42:59,666 --> 01:43:00,083
used to watch

2949
01:43:00,083 --> 01:43:01,333
shark week and I

2950
01:43:01,333 --> 01:43:01,958
loved it. And I

2951
01:43:01,958 --> 01:43:03,125
was like, Oh, be

2952
01:43:03,125 --> 01:43:03,833
so cool one day

2953
01:43:03,833 --> 01:43:05,166
to go on to do to

2954
01:43:05,166 --> 01:43:05,958
do a shark. Yeah,

2955
01:43:05,958 --> 01:43:06,833
for sure. And

2956
01:43:06,833 --> 01:43:07,375
there is

2957
01:43:07,375 --> 01:43:09,083
absolutely no way

2958
01:43:09,083 --> 01:43:10,083
they would have

2959
01:43:10,083 --> 01:43:12,833
ever found me or

2960
01:43:12,833 --> 01:43:13,625
contacted me.

2961
01:43:13,625 --> 01:43:16,416
Had I not had

2962
01:43:16,416 --> 01:43:17,208
shark bites.

2963
01:43:17,541 --> 01:43:18,458
Right. So I

2964
01:43:18,458 --> 01:43:19,125
imagine they

2965
01:43:19,125 --> 01:43:19,666
looked at it and

2966
01:43:19,666 --> 01:43:20,458
went there's an

2967
01:43:20,458 --> 01:43:21,291
audience there.

2968
01:43:21,291 --> 01:43:21,958
Yeah, you know,

2969
01:43:22,166 --> 01:43:23,125
he'll you know,

2970
01:43:23,125 --> 01:43:23,750
we can bring him

2971
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:24,458
in. We'll fly him

2972
01:43:24,458 --> 01:43:25,041
out to Florida.

2973
01:43:25,041 --> 01:43:26,000
And I was on a

2974
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:27,000
show with Emily

2975
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:28,333
Spurgeon and

2976
01:43:28,333 --> 01:43:29,250
Tristan Guttridge

2977
01:43:29,250 --> 01:43:30,833
and who were

2978
01:43:30,833 --> 01:43:31,458
awesome, by the

2979
01:43:31,458 --> 01:43:32,000
way. Yeah,

2980
01:43:32,041 --> 01:43:32,458
Tristan has been

2981
01:43:32,458 --> 01:43:32,916
on the podcast.

2982
01:43:33,208 --> 01:43:34,125
Yeah, that's

2983
01:43:34,125 --> 01:43:34,791
super cool.

2984
01:43:34,791 --> 01:43:35,500
Tristan Tristan's

2985
01:43:35,500 --> 01:43:36,000
a cool guy as

2986
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,208
well. But I was

2987
01:43:37,208 --> 01:43:37,791
kind of like,

2988
01:43:37,791 --> 01:43:39,958
sort of like a

2989
01:43:39,958 --> 01:43:41,375
they painted it

2990
01:43:41,375 --> 01:43:42,000
as I was on

2991
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:42,625
Tristan's team.

2992
01:43:42,666 --> 01:43:43,333
And we were kind

2993
01:43:43,333 --> 01:43:43,666
of working

2994
01:43:43,666 --> 01:43:44,208
together me and

2995
01:43:44,208 --> 01:43:44,875
Emily were like,

2996
01:43:44,875 --> 01:43:45,541
these two

2997
01:43:45,541 --> 01:43:46,000
different roles

2998
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:46,583
on Tristan's

2999
01:43:46,583 --> 01:43:47,125
team. And we were

3000
01:43:47,125 --> 01:43:47,833
building this,

3001
01:43:47,833 --> 01:43:48,541
this Frank and

3002
01:43:48,541 --> 01:43:49,625
shark and all

3003
01:43:49,625 --> 01:43:49,958
this kind of

3004
01:43:49,958 --> 01:43:51,166
stuff. But but

3005
01:43:51,166 --> 01:43:52,208
yeah, that's a

3006
01:43:52,208 --> 01:43:53,250
situation where I

3007
01:43:53,250 --> 01:43:53,875
would say it

3008
01:43:53,875 --> 01:43:54,625
helped me, right?

3009
01:43:54,958 --> 01:43:55,708
Because there's

3010
01:43:55,708 --> 01:43:56,666
no way this this

3011
01:43:56,666 --> 01:43:57,583
film company

3012
01:43:57,583 --> 01:43:58,250
would have ever

3013
01:43:58,250 --> 01:43:59,375
known I even

3014
01:43:59,375 --> 01:44:00,708
existed had it

3015
01:44:00,708 --> 01:44:01,250
not been for the

3016
01:44:01,250 --> 01:44:02,166
channel. So it

3017
01:44:02,166 --> 01:44:02,875
goes both ways.

3018
01:44:03,083 --> 01:44:04,291
Yep. Yep. Yeah.

3019
01:44:04,541 --> 01:44:05,166
Did it help you

3020
01:44:05,166 --> 01:44:06,333
get the job you

3021
01:44:06,333 --> 01:44:06,625
have now, though?

3022
01:44:07,625 --> 01:44:10,625
Well, I would say

3023
01:44:10,625 --> 01:44:14,250
that this YouTube

3024
01:44:14,250 --> 01:44:15,750
now is my job,

3025
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:16,250
right? I would

3026
01:44:16,250 --> 01:44:17,458
say it's my main

3027
01:44:17,458 --> 01:44:18,958
job. Okay, the

3028
01:44:18,958 --> 01:44:20,000
it's the thing

3029
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,375
that puts the

3030
01:44:21,375 --> 01:44:22,541
food on the table

3031
01:44:22,541 --> 01:44:23,541
for me. Really?

3032
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:25,208
Yeah. Is that

3033
01:44:25,208 --> 01:44:27,166
from so now you

3034
01:44:27,166 --> 01:44:27,625
don't have to go

3035
01:44:27,625 --> 01:44:28,541
into numbers by

3036
01:44:28,541 --> 01:44:29,916
any means. But is

3037
01:44:29,916 --> 01:44:31,083
that mostly from

3038
01:44:31,083 --> 01:44:32,208
the monetization

3039
01:44:32,208 --> 01:44:33,541
from YouTube?

3040
01:44:33,541 --> 01:44:34,000
It's not

3041
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:34,625
necessarily from brand deals or anything like that.

3042
01:44:34,666 --> 01:44:37,000
There's a little

3043
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:37,500
bit of that a

3044
01:44:37,500 --> 01:44:38,250
little bit that

3045
01:44:38,250 --> 01:44:39,500
but it's majority

3046
01:44:39,500 --> 01:44:41,416
majority. Yeah,

3047
01:44:41,416 --> 01:44:42,208
monetization ad

3048
01:44:42,208 --> 01:44:43,625
revenue. Wow,

3049
01:44:43,625 --> 01:44:44,291
that's amazing.

3050
01:44:44,916 --> 01:44:45,291
And it's just me

3051
01:44:45,291 --> 01:44:46,041
to the stage

3052
01:44:46,041 --> 01:44:47,000
where where I you

3053
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:48,208
know, I can I can

3054
01:44:48,208 --> 01:44:49,625
now pay my bills,

3055
01:44:49,625 --> 01:44:50,250
put food on the

3056
01:44:50,250 --> 01:44:51,250
table, you know,

3057
01:44:51,250 --> 01:44:52,250
maybe go on a

3058
01:44:52,250 --> 01:44:53,541
holiday every day

3059
01:44:53,541 --> 01:44:54,333
on it. It's it's

3060
01:44:54,333 --> 01:44:55,333
it's it's got to

3061
01:44:55,333 --> 01:44:55,750
the point where

3062
01:44:55,750 --> 01:44:56,875
it's a job. It's

3063
01:44:56,875 --> 01:44:57,916
Yeah, I get

3064
01:44:57,916 --> 01:44:58,833
income from it.

3065
01:44:58,833 --> 01:45:00,166
It sustains me.

3066
01:45:00,625 --> 01:45:01,666
I'm not anywhere

3067
01:45:01,666 --> 01:45:02,791
near the levels

3068
01:45:02,791 --> 01:45:03,375
of you know, we

3069
01:45:03,375 --> 01:45:03,625
spoke about Jake, you know, it's a lot of people.

3070
01:45:03,625 --> 01:45:04,041
We spoke about

3071
01:45:04,041 --> 01:45:05,958
Jake Paul and Mr.

3072
01:45:05,958 --> 01:45:06,875
Beast. These guys

3073
01:45:06,875 --> 01:45:07,791
are bringing in,

3074
01:45:07,791 --> 01:45:08,125
you know,

3075
01:45:08,833 --> 01:45:09,166
millions and

3076
01:45:09,166 --> 01:45:10,000
hundreds of

3077
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:10,583
millions of

3078
01:45:10,583 --> 01:45:11,250
dollars in

3079
01:45:11,250 --> 01:45:12,208
revenue. It's

3080
01:45:12,208 --> 01:45:12,625
nowhere near

3081
01:45:12,625 --> 01:45:13,625
that. But it's

3082
01:45:13,625 --> 01:45:14,500
enough for me to

3083
01:45:14,500 --> 01:45:15,958
survive. And I

3084
01:45:15,958 --> 01:45:16,458
look at that and

3085
01:45:16,458 --> 01:45:17,708
go, that's enough

3086
01:45:17,708 --> 01:45:19,500
for me. I'm I'm

3087
01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:20,125
I'm happy with

3088
01:45:20,125 --> 01:45:21,000
that. If I can if

3089
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:21,958
I can afford to

3090
01:45:21,958 --> 01:45:22,875
eat, I can pay my

3091
01:45:22,875 --> 01:45:24,708
bills, you know,

3092
01:45:24,708 --> 01:45:25,416
and do what I

3093
01:45:25,416 --> 01:45:26,708
love doing. I'm

3094
01:45:26,708 --> 01:45:27,291
happy with that.

3095
01:45:27,291 --> 01:45:28,041
I think you just

3096
01:45:28,041 --> 01:45:29,041
hit the key thing

3097
01:45:29,041 --> 01:45:29,750
there. Like, you

3098
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:30,041
know, you talk

3099
01:45:30,041 --> 01:45:30,833
about shark week

3100
01:45:30,833 --> 01:45:31,458
and these other

3101
01:45:31,458 --> 01:45:32,750
things. And

3102
01:45:33,666 --> 01:45:34,541
you know, again,

3103
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:35,500
you know, those

3104
01:45:35,500 --> 01:45:36,958
things are pretty

3105
01:45:36,958 --> 01:45:37,666
minimal. There

3106
01:45:37,666 --> 01:45:38,750
was, you know,

3107
01:45:38,750 --> 01:45:39,166
kind of when I

3108
01:45:39,166 --> 01:45:39,791
was coming up

3109
01:45:39,791 --> 01:45:40,541
through it, I

3110
01:45:40,541 --> 01:45:41,000
mean, I think

3111
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:41,333
shark week

3112
01:45:41,333 --> 01:45:42,500
started in 1987.

3113
01:45:42,833 --> 01:45:43,875
I was pretty well

3114
01:45:43,875 --> 01:45:45,083
into my PhD at

3115
01:45:45,083 --> 01:45:46,000
that point. But

3116
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:46,916
at the time, but

3117
01:45:46,916 --> 01:45:48,583
it was it's it's

3118
01:45:48,583 --> 01:45:49,250
they find you on

3119
01:45:49,250 --> 01:45:49,875
these things. And

3120
01:45:49,875 --> 01:45:50,708
you sort of you

3121
01:45:50,708 --> 01:45:51,291
had a limited

3122
01:45:51,291 --> 01:45:51,666
number of

3123
01:45:51,666 --> 01:45:52,166
options. It was

3124
01:45:52,166 --> 01:45:53,083
like shark week,

3125
01:45:53,083 --> 01:45:54,000
you know, BBC,

3126
01:45:54,333 --> 01:45:54,541
David

3127
01:45:54,541 --> 01:45:55,333
Attenborough are

3128
01:45:55,333 --> 01:45:56,416
limited. But now

3129
01:45:56,416 --> 01:45:57,291
with the YouTube

3130
01:45:57,291 --> 01:45:58,000
and the social

3131
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:59,416
media now, what

3132
01:45:59,416 --> 01:45:59,916
I've kind of

3133
01:45:59,916 --> 01:46:01,333
found is that you

3134
01:46:01,333 --> 01:46:02,291
can and you're

3135
01:46:02,291 --> 01:46:02,500
doing

3136
01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:03,500
this like in

3137
01:46:03,625 --> 01:46:04,541
spades is you're

3138
01:46:04,541 --> 01:46:05,833
you can do the

3139
01:46:05,833 --> 01:46:06,583
content you want

3140
01:46:06,583 --> 01:46:08,208
to do. You're

3141
01:46:08,208 --> 01:46:08,875
not. And I think

3142
01:46:08,875 --> 01:46:09,458
that to me,

3143
01:46:09,458 --> 01:46:11,083
that's like

3144
01:46:11,083 --> 01:46:12,875
refreshing. But

3145
01:46:12,875 --> 01:46:13,458
it's also just

3146
01:46:13,458 --> 01:46:13,833
sort of this

3147
01:46:13,833 --> 01:46:15,541
freedom. I know I

3148
01:46:15,541 --> 01:46:16,083
know Andrew's

3149
01:46:16,083 --> 01:46:16,666
like this and

3150
01:46:16,666 --> 01:46:17,333
stuff. Of course,

3151
01:46:17,708 --> 01:46:18,791
Andrew, I he's he

3152
01:46:18,791 --> 01:46:19,500
I blame him

3153
01:46:19,500 --> 01:46:19,875
because he's the

3154
01:46:19,875 --> 01:46:20,416
reason I'm kind

3155
01:46:20,416 --> 01:46:20,875
of here doing

3156
01:46:20,875 --> 01:46:21,500
this show today.

3157
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:23,166
So it's and I've

3158
01:46:23,166 --> 01:46:23,500
even doing

3159
01:46:23,500 --> 01:46:24,250
YouTube, to be

3160
01:46:24,250 --> 01:46:24,875
honest with you.

3161
01:46:24,875 --> 01:46:25,416
Nice work,

3162
01:46:25,416 --> 01:46:26,000
Andrew. That's

3163
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:27,000
that's that's a

3164
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,333
win for me. Yeah,

3165
01:46:28,625 --> 01:46:29,875
absolutely. But

3166
01:46:29,875 --> 01:46:30,333
don't did you

3167
01:46:30,333 --> 01:46:31,083
find that? Don't

3168
01:46:31,083 --> 01:46:31,791
you find it? Now

3169
01:46:31,791 --> 01:46:32,416
you have done

3170
01:46:32,416 --> 01:46:33,083
like a shark week

3171
01:46:33,083 --> 01:46:33,416
show. But

3172
01:46:33,416 --> 01:46:33,625
don't you

3173
01:46:33,625 --> 01:46:34,833
find that there's

3174
01:46:34,833 --> 01:46:36,583
more freedom? Oh,

3175
01:46:36,583 --> 01:46:38,958
100%. I can I so

3176
01:46:38,958 --> 01:46:40,333
the way that I

3177
01:46:40,333 --> 01:46:41,125
sort of go about

3178
01:46:41,125 --> 01:46:41,833
my day, I'm

3179
01:46:41,833 --> 01:46:42,375
constantly

3180
01:46:42,375 --> 01:46:43,000
thinking about

3181
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:43,708
videos, right?

3182
01:46:43,708 --> 01:46:44,500
I'm constantly

3183
01:46:44,500 --> 01:46:45,791
writing ideas

3184
01:46:45,791 --> 01:46:46,666
down and just

3185
01:46:46,666 --> 01:46:47,416
brainstorming

3186
01:46:47,416 --> 01:46:48,083
different things.

3187
01:46:48,500 --> 01:46:49,666
But being able to

3188
01:46:49,666 --> 01:46:51,416
choose what I

3189
01:46:51,416 --> 01:46:52,375
want to do. And

3190
01:46:52,375 --> 01:46:53,000
there's also an

3191
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:53,875
element of it as

3192
01:46:53,875 --> 01:46:55,375
well is is what

3193
01:46:55,375 --> 01:46:56,000
does the audience

3194
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:56,500
want to see,

3195
01:46:56,500 --> 01:46:57,208
right? What does

3196
01:46:57,208 --> 01:46:58,291
what do the

3197
01:46:58,291 --> 01:46:58,916
people who watch

3198
01:46:58,916 --> 01:46:59,416
the video? So

3199
01:46:59,416 --> 01:47:00,250
there's a bit of

3200
01:47:00,250 --> 01:47:00,958
a balance there.

3201
01:47:00,958 --> 01:47:01,833
So it has to be

3202
01:47:01,833 --> 01:47:02,666
something that I

3203
01:47:02,666 --> 01:47:03,000
want to

3204
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:03,625
do. But it's

3205
01:47:03,666 --> 01:47:04,208
also got to be

3206
01:47:04,208 --> 01:47:04,750
what's the

3207
01:47:04,750 --> 01:47:05,250
audience going to

3208
01:47:05,250 --> 01:47:05,708
click on? What's

3209
01:47:05,708 --> 01:47:06,000
the audience

3210
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:06,416
going to want to

3211
01:47:06,416 --> 01:47:07,083
watch compared

3212
01:47:07,083 --> 01:47:08,333
to, you know, say

3213
01:47:08,333 --> 01:47:09,333
a shark week show

3214
01:47:09,333 --> 01:47:09,958
where it's like,

3215
01:47:09,958 --> 01:47:10,500
right, this is

3216
01:47:10,500 --> 01:47:10,958
the show we're

3217
01:47:10,958 --> 01:47:11,750
making, we need

3218
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:12,708
you to say this

3219
01:47:12,708 --> 01:47:13,791
at this time,

3220
01:47:13,791 --> 01:47:14,666
it's a bit more

3221
01:47:14,666 --> 01:47:16,125
bit more rigid.

3222
01:47:16,958 --> 01:47:18,333
And I was, it was

3223
01:47:18,333 --> 01:47:18,916
funny, actually,

3224
01:47:18,916 --> 01:47:20,416
there was, it was

3225
01:47:20,416 --> 01:47:21,250
a shark week show

3226
01:47:21,250 --> 01:47:22,125
that got in touch

3227
01:47:22,125 --> 01:47:23,666
before the one

3228
01:47:23,666 --> 01:47:24,416
that I ended up

3229
01:47:24,416 --> 01:47:26,125
on. This one.

3230
01:47:26,375 --> 01:47:27,083
Yeah, it was

3231
01:47:27,083 --> 01:47:27,750
there. It was

3232
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:28,291
there special

3233
01:47:28,291 --> 01:47:28,916
there opener

3234
01:47:28,916 --> 01:47:30,166
there. It was

3235
01:47:30,166 --> 01:47:30,750
called dancing

3236
01:47:30,750 --> 01:47:31,000
the

3237
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:31,666
sharks, right?

3238
01:47:33,916 --> 01:47:34,416
Ever. I'll let

3239
01:47:34,416 --> 01:47:34,833
you tell the

3240
01:47:34,833 --> 01:47:35,791
story, but awful.

3241
01:47:36,041 --> 01:47:36,833
And I saw the

3242
01:47:36,833 --> 01:47:37,625
video that you

3243
01:47:37,625 --> 01:47:38,916
did before it

3244
01:47:38,916 --> 01:47:40,416
came out. And I

3245
01:47:40,416 --> 01:47:41,000
was like, and I

3246
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:41,333
was like, I

3247
01:47:41,333 --> 01:47:42,083
wonder how bad it

3248
01:47:42,083 --> 01:47:43,416
was where he said

3249
01:47:43,416 --> 01:47:44,458
no to this. And

3250
01:47:44,458 --> 01:47:45,041
then I watched. I

3251
01:47:45,041 --> 01:47:46,083
was like, Oh, my

3252
01:47:46,083 --> 01:47:48,333
gosh. Yeah. And

3253
01:47:48,333 --> 01:47:49,500
you know, it was

3254
01:47:49,500 --> 01:47:50,541
so they got in

3255
01:47:50,541 --> 01:47:50,833
touch over

3256
01:47:50,833 --> 01:47:52,083
emailing in, I

3257
01:47:52,083 --> 01:47:52,708
think January

3258
01:47:52,708 --> 01:47:53,250
time. And they

3259
01:47:53,250 --> 01:47:53,833
were like, we're

3260
01:47:53,833 --> 01:47:54,458
looking to maybe

3261
01:47:54,458 --> 01:47:55,541
film in the next

3262
01:47:55,541 --> 01:47:56,375
couple of months.

3263
01:47:57,083 --> 01:47:57,750
And initially, I

3264
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:59,333
was like, I don't

3265
01:47:59,333 --> 01:48:00,041
quite understand

3266
01:48:00,041 --> 01:48:01,333
what it is. But

3267
01:48:01,333 --> 01:48:02,208
I'm keen to talk

3268
01:48:02,208 --> 01:48:02,833
about it more.

3269
01:48:02,833 --> 01:48:03,125
And I was

3270
01:48:03,125 --> 01:48:03,625
like, yeah,

3271
01:48:03,708 --> 01:48:04,708
you know, it's

3272
01:48:04,708 --> 01:48:05,416
the first time I

3273
01:48:05,416 --> 01:48:05,791
was ever

3274
01:48:05,791 --> 01:48:07,416
contacted by an

3275
01:48:07,416 --> 01:48:07,916
entertainment

3276
01:48:07,916 --> 01:48:08,583
company, a film

3277
01:48:08,583 --> 01:48:10,458
company to maybe

3278
01:48:10,458 --> 01:48:11,041
feature on a

3279
01:48:11,041 --> 01:48:11,666
shark show. And

3280
01:48:11,666 --> 01:48:12,416
the role that

3281
01:48:12,416 --> 01:48:14,291
they were sort of

3282
01:48:14,291 --> 01:48:15,000
offering me was

3283
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:15,833
this this MC

3284
01:48:15,833 --> 01:48:16,750
role. So it was

3285
01:48:16,750 --> 01:48:19,125
like you kind of

3286
01:48:19,125 --> 01:48:20,750
commentate on on

3287
01:48:20,750 --> 01:48:21,500
what was going

3288
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:22,166
on. And you were

3289
01:48:22,166 --> 01:48:22,833
like going back

3290
01:48:22,833 --> 01:48:23,375
and forth between

3291
01:48:23,375 --> 01:48:24,083
the studio. I

3292
01:48:24,083 --> 01:48:24,458
can't remember

3293
01:48:24,458 --> 01:48:24,916
the name of the

3294
01:48:24,916 --> 01:48:25,625
chap who took

3295
01:48:25,625 --> 01:48:26,208
that role in the

3296
01:48:26,208 --> 01:48:27,875
end. But he's a

3297
01:48:27,875 --> 01:48:29,333
sort of shark

3298
01:48:29,333 --> 01:48:30,291
week regularly.

3299
01:48:30,625 --> 01:48:31,875
He does the

3300
01:48:31,875 --> 01:48:32,125
podcast.

3301
01:48:32,416 --> 01:48:33,041
He does do the

3302
01:48:33,041 --> 01:48:33,416
podcast.

3303
01:48:33,666 --> 01:48:34,083
Yes, he does.

3304
01:48:34,375 --> 01:48:34,500
You Dave, you

3305
01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:34,916
were on that

3306
01:48:34,916 --> 01:48:35,833
podcast with him.

3307
01:48:36,333 --> 01:48:37,625
You know, the

3308
01:48:37,625 --> 01:48:38,333
host of the shark

3309
01:48:38,333 --> 01:48:39,750
week podcast. Oh,

3310
01:48:40,041 --> 01:48:41,208
yeah. I forget

3311
01:48:41,208 --> 01:48:42,000
his name. Yeah,

3312
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:42,625
he didn't. Yeah,

3313
01:48:42,625 --> 01:48:43,208
yeah, yeah. No, I

3314
01:48:43,208 --> 01:48:43,833
know. Yeah, yeah.

3315
01:48:44,083 --> 01:48:44,958
Yeah. Well, yeah.

3316
01:48:45,125 --> 01:48:45,541
Anyway, so he

3317
01:48:45,541 --> 01:48:47,500
took the role in

3318
01:48:47,500 --> 01:48:48,458
the end that I

3319
01:48:48,458 --> 01:48:49,833
turned down. But

3320
01:48:49,833 --> 01:48:51,166
it was only after

3321
01:48:51,166 --> 01:48:52,333
they sent me a

3322
01:48:52,333 --> 01:48:53,416
few video clips

3323
01:48:53,416 --> 01:48:55,041
that I was kind

3324
01:48:55,041 --> 01:48:55,500
of fully

3325
01:48:55,500 --> 01:48:57,000
understood the

3326
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:59,250
scale of what

3327
01:48:59,250 --> 01:49:00,041
this program was

3328
01:49:00,041 --> 01:49:00,500
going to be.

3329
01:49:00,958 --> 01:49:01,791
And I remember

3330
01:49:01,791 --> 01:49:02,375
watching those

3331
01:49:02,375 --> 01:49:02,958
clips. And there

3332
01:49:02,958 --> 01:49:03,458
was, you know, it

3333
01:49:03,458 --> 01:49:04,000
was like an ocean

3334
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:04,750
Ramsey clip in

3335
01:49:04,750 --> 01:49:05,375
there. And I was

3336
01:49:05,375 --> 01:49:07,000
like, not sure

3337
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:07,916
this this film

3338
01:49:07,916 --> 01:49:08,708
companies watched

3339
01:49:08,708 --> 01:49:10,000
any of my videos

3340
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,083
ever if they're

3341
01:49:11,083 --> 01:49:11,708
showing me ocean

3342
01:49:11,708 --> 01:49:12,541
Ramsey clips and

3343
01:49:12,541 --> 01:49:12,916
thinking I'm

3344
01:49:12,916 --> 01:49:13,333
going to be like,

3345
01:49:13,333 --> 01:49:14,583
yeah, that's

3346
01:49:14,583 --> 01:49:15,291
great. That's a

3347
01:49:15,291 --> 01:49:16,333
cool thing to do.

3348
01:49:16,333 --> 01:49:17,000
And I and you

3349
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:17,416
know what I

3350
01:49:17,416 --> 01:49:18,166
turned around to

3351
01:49:18,166 --> 01:49:18,625
them. And I

3352
01:49:18,625 --> 01:49:19,458
respectfully said

3353
01:49:19,458 --> 01:49:20,125
no, I didn't go

3354
01:49:20,125 --> 01:49:20,916
and I didn't go

3355
01:49:20,916 --> 01:49:21,833
in on them and be

3356
01:49:21,833 --> 01:49:22,375
like, this is

3357
01:49:22,375 --> 01:49:23,166
ridiculous. I was

3358
01:49:23,166 --> 01:49:23,750
like, they're

3359
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:24,250
going to make the

3360
01:49:24,250 --> 01:49:25,083
show regardless,

3361
01:49:25,333 --> 01:49:26,125
right? They're

3362
01:49:26,125 --> 01:49:27,333
going to do it. I

3363
01:49:27,333 --> 01:49:27,958
can turn around

3364
01:49:27,958 --> 01:49:28,583
and say, you know

3365
01:49:28,583 --> 01:49:29,083
what? It's not

3366
01:49:29,083 --> 01:49:29,166
for me. But if you know, if you
want to do it, you can do it.

3367
01:49:29,208 --> 01:49:34,458
And then we can

3368
01:49:34,458 --> 01:49:35,833
have a chat. And

3369
01:49:35,833 --> 01:49:36,666
that was a big

3370
01:49:36,666 --> 01:49:38,541
thing. Because I

3371
01:49:38,541 --> 01:49:39,416
had basically

3372
01:49:39,416 --> 01:49:40,541
just turned down

3373
01:49:40,541 --> 01:49:41,375
something that I

3374
01:49:41,375 --> 01:49:42,375
wanted to do

3375
01:49:42,375 --> 01:49:44,041
since I was a

3376
01:49:44,041 --> 01:49:44,916
kid, right? You

3377
01:49:44,916 --> 01:49:45,500
know, that's it

3378
01:49:45,500 --> 01:49:46,708
was for me. That

3379
01:49:46,708 --> 01:49:47,666
was such a big

3380
01:49:47,666 --> 01:49:48,708
thing to do. But

3381
01:49:48,708 --> 01:49:50,250
I'm so glad that

3382
01:49:50,250 --> 01:49:50,750
I did turn it

3383
01:49:50,750 --> 01:49:51,375
down because it

3384
01:49:51,375 --> 01:49:52,166
turned out to be

3385
01:49:52,166 --> 01:49:52,833
an horror.

3386
01:49:53,166 --> 01:49:54,041
And I was going

3387
01:49:54,041 --> 01:49:54,458
to say, this is

3388
01:49:54,458 --> 01:49:55,166
something we've

3389
01:49:55,166 --> 01:49:55,833
touched on some

3390
01:49:55,833 --> 01:49:56,458
shows, especially

3391
01:49:56,458 --> 01:49:57,000
a young person

3392
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:57,708
like you, you

3393
01:49:57,708 --> 01:49:58,125
know, like, because I've had these shows that I've been working on.

3394
01:49:58,583 --> 01:49:58,958
Because I've had

3395
01:49:58,958 --> 01:49:59,500
these shows where

3396
01:49:59,500 --> 01:50:00,458
I just like, no,

3397
01:50:00,458 --> 01:50:01,083
that's just not

3398
01:50:01,083 --> 01:50:01,833
going to be for

3399
01:50:01,833 --> 01:50:03,333
me. But I'm at a

3400
01:50:03,333 --> 01:50:03,833
point where I

3401
01:50:03,833 --> 01:50:04,666
don't care. I'll

3402
01:50:04,666 --> 01:50:05,416
take them early.

3403
01:50:05,416 --> 01:50:06,125
But young people

3404
01:50:06,125 --> 01:50:06,791
like yourselves

3405
01:50:06,791 --> 01:50:07,541
getting that

3406
01:50:07,541 --> 01:50:07,791
first

3407
01:50:07,791 --> 01:50:08,541
opportunity.

3408
01:50:08,541 --> 01:50:09,541
You're like, wow,

3409
01:50:09,541 --> 01:50:10,291
I really will. I

3410
01:50:10,291 --> 01:50:10,666
have another

3411
01:50:10,666 --> 01:50:11,458
opportunity.

3412
01:50:11,458 --> 01:50:12,125
Well, you're

3413
01:50:12,125 --> 01:50:12,666
young. You'll get

3414
01:50:12,666 --> 01:50:12,875
another

3415
01:50:12,875 --> 01:50:13,500
opportunity.

3416
01:50:13,500 --> 01:50:14,291
Trust me. They'll

3417
01:50:14,291 --> 01:50:14,916
come around.

3418
01:50:14,916 --> 01:50:15,500
It'll come around

3419
01:50:15,500 --> 01:50:16,125
to you again.

3420
01:50:16,458 --> 01:50:16,958
But I think the

3421
01:50:16,958 --> 01:50:17,500
interesting part

3422
01:50:17,500 --> 01:50:18,000
is too. And I

3423
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:18,541
really love

3424
01:50:18,541 --> 01:50:19,000
Christian, how

3425
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:19,666
you documented

3426
01:50:19,666 --> 01:50:20,458
the process in

3427
01:50:20,458 --> 01:50:20,791
one of your

3428
01:50:20,791 --> 01:50:21,625
videos because

3429
01:50:21,625 --> 01:50:22,958
first time

3430
01:50:22,958 --> 01:50:23,708
getting an email,

3431
01:50:24,166 --> 01:50:24,708
sometimes people

3432
01:50:24,708 --> 01:50:25,708
can feel lost in

3433
01:50:25,708 --> 01:50:26,916
the process. They

3434
01:50:26,916 --> 01:50:27,583
get so excited.

3435
01:50:27,583 --> 01:50:28,000
They're going to

3436
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:28,416
be that they

3437
01:50:28,416 --> 01:50:28,791
could be

3438
01:50:28,791 --> 01:50:29,708
potentially on TV

3439
01:50:29,708 --> 01:50:30,916
on a on a huge

3440
01:50:30,916 --> 01:50:32,083
week, like Shark

3441
01:50:32,083 --> 01:50:33,625
Week. And then it

3442
01:50:33,625 --> 01:50:34,416
continues to go

3443
01:50:34,416 --> 01:50:35,083
on and you get

3444
01:50:35,083 --> 01:50:35,916
several emails,

3445
01:50:35,916 --> 01:50:36,458
you go back and

3446
01:50:36,458 --> 01:50:37,083
forth and you're

3447
01:50:37,083 --> 01:50:37,666
like, am I doing

3448
01:50:37,666 --> 01:50:38,125
like, there's

3449
01:50:38,125 --> 01:50:39,125
always this in

3450
01:50:39,125 --> 01:50:39,625
the back of your

3451
01:50:39,625 --> 01:50:40,208
head, like, is

3452
01:50:40,208 --> 01:50:40,958
this the role for

3453
01:50:40,958 --> 01:50:41,583
me? Like, but

3454
01:50:41,583 --> 01:50:42,500
it's so exciting.

3455
01:50:42,500 --> 01:50:43,000
Am I going to get

3456
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:43,583
another one?

3457
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:44,541
And then you

3458
01:50:44,541 --> 01:50:45,458
start to you go

3459
01:50:45,458 --> 01:50:45,791
through the

3460
01:50:45,791 --> 01:50:46,625
process. I love

3461
01:50:46,625 --> 01:50:47,083
how you were

3462
01:50:47,083 --> 01:50:47,625
continuing

3463
01:50:47,625 --> 01:50:48,500
continually

3464
01:50:48,500 --> 01:50:49,541
respectful of the

3465
01:50:49,541 --> 01:50:50,708
process. And then

3466
01:50:50,708 --> 01:50:51,041
you're like, you

3467
01:50:51,041 --> 01:50:51,375
know what,

3468
01:50:51,375 --> 01:50:52,083
playfully decline

3469
01:50:52,083 --> 01:50:52,791
like this. This

3470
01:50:52,791 --> 01:50:53,583
isn't for me.

3471
01:50:55,250 --> 01:50:56,000
But some people

3472
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:56,541
would take it

3473
01:50:56,541 --> 01:50:57,541
just because like

3474
01:50:57,541 --> 01:50:58,000
this is my

3475
01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:58,458
chance. But

3476
01:50:58,458 --> 01:50:59,541
arguably, that

3477
01:50:59,541 --> 01:51:01,125
could have been a

3478
01:51:01,125 --> 01:51:01,666
career

3479
01:51:01,666 --> 01:51:03,000
ender for you.

3480
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:05,166
Yeah.

3481
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,541
I just knew it

3482
01:51:25,541 --> 01:51:25,916
was the

3483
01:51:25,916 --> 01:51:26,875
wrong call.

3484
01:51:26,875 --> 01:51:27,708
And also the

3485
01:51:27,708 --> 01:51:28,666
concept of the

3486
01:51:28,666 --> 01:51:29,000
show just

3487
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:29,916
completely goes

3488
01:51:30,375 --> 01:51:31,041
against what I

3489
01:51:31,041 --> 01:51:31,333
believe

3490
01:51:31,333 --> 01:51:31,958
about sharks.

3491
01:51:32,208 --> 01:51:33,041
I don't think

3492
01:51:33,041 --> 01:51:34,041
people should be

3493
01:51:34,041 --> 01:51:34,958
like picking

3494
01:51:34,958 --> 01:51:35,708
sharks up

3495
01:51:35,708 --> 01:51:36,458
and tossing them

3496
01:51:36,458 --> 01:51:37,208
around, right?

3497
01:51:37,208 --> 01:51:37,541
Like you just

3498
01:51:37,541 --> 01:51:38,791
don't need

3499
01:51:38,791 --> 01:51:39,458
to do that.

3500
01:51:39,875 --> 01:51:40,625
We pick them up

3501
01:51:40,625 --> 01:51:41,541
because we can is

3502
01:51:41,541 --> 01:51:42,083
not a

3503
01:51:42,083 --> 01:51:42,875
valid reason

3504
01:51:43,166 --> 01:51:43,875
to pick up and

3505
01:51:43,875 --> 01:51:44,416
toss a shark

3506
01:51:44,416 --> 01:51:44,958
around, right?

3507
01:51:46,125 --> 01:51:46,958
Morally, I just

3508
01:51:46,958 --> 01:51:47,208
look at

3509
01:51:47,208 --> 01:51:47,625
it and go,

3510
01:51:48,458 --> 01:51:48,833
it's just

3511
01:51:48,833 --> 01:51:49,375
completely-

3512
01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:50,000
I think one of my

3513
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:50,708
favorite parts of

3514
01:51:50,708 --> 01:51:51,250
that show,

3515
01:51:51,500 --> 01:51:51,833
because I did

3516
01:51:51,833 --> 01:51:52,208
watch the

3517
01:51:52,208 --> 01:51:52,625
whole thing.

3518
01:51:52,625 --> 01:51:53,500
I actually did

3519
01:51:53,500 --> 01:51:54,166
watch it because

3520
01:51:54,166 --> 01:51:54,708
I was like,

3521
01:51:54,708 --> 01:51:55,708
this can't be real.

3522
01:51:55,708 --> 01:51:55,875
Like this

3523
01:51:55,875 --> 01:51:56,416
is a joke.

3524
01:51:56,416 --> 01:51:56,958
I was waiting for

3525
01:51:56,958 --> 01:51:57,791
one of the

3526
01:51:57,791 --> 01:51:58,541
comedians that

3527
01:51:58,541 --> 01:51:59,333
was on the panel.

3528
01:51:59,625 --> 01:52:00,083
I forget his

3529
01:52:00,083 --> 01:52:01,500
name, but he's a

3530
01:52:01,500 --> 01:52:02,125
fairly popular

3531
01:52:02,125 --> 01:52:02,500
comedian.

3532
01:52:03,666 --> 01:52:04,458
He kept saying,

3533
01:52:04,458 --> 01:52:05,083
what are we

3534
01:52:05,083 --> 01:52:05,833
doing here?

3535
01:52:06,833 --> 01:52:07,791
I need to talk to

3536
01:52:07,791 --> 01:52:08,958
my agent because

3537
01:52:08,958 --> 01:52:10,000
what am I doing?

3538
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:10,875
Like, what are we

3539
01:52:10,875 --> 01:52:11,083
talking?

3540
01:52:11,333 --> 01:52:11,625
We're talking

3541
01:52:11,625 --> 01:52:11,833
about

3542
01:52:11,833 --> 01:52:12,958
picking up sharks.

3543
01:52:12,958 --> 01:52:13,208
That's what he

3544
01:52:13,208 --> 01:52:13,708
kept saying.

3545
01:52:13,708 --> 01:52:14,333
Like, is

3546
01:52:14,333 --> 01:52:15,041
this a thing?

3547
01:52:15,291 --> 01:52:16,083
Like, is this the

3548
01:52:16,083 --> 01:52:16,458
thing that

3549
01:52:16,458 --> 01:52:16,750
we're doing?

3550
01:52:16,750 --> 01:52:17,125
I don't know if

3551
01:52:17,125 --> 01:52:18,166
he fully

3552
01:52:18,166 --> 01:52:19,416
understood why he

3553
01:52:19,416 --> 01:52:20,000
was there.

3554
01:52:20,333 --> 01:52:20,958
I think he

3555
01:52:20,958 --> 01:52:21,750
regretted it

3556
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:22,208
immediately

3557
01:52:22,541 --> 01:52:23,041
because he was

3558
01:52:23,041 --> 01:52:23,750
just like, oh,

3559
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:24,000
we're doing

3560
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:24,583
this again?

3561
01:52:24,875 --> 01:52:25,041
Like, we're

3562
01:52:25,041 --> 01:52:25,583
watching people pick up sharks?

3563
01:52:25,625 --> 01:52:27,000
Oh, it's another

3564
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:27,916
person that's

3565
01:52:27,916 --> 01:52:28,708
flitting a shark

3566
01:52:28,708 --> 01:52:29,208
upside down.

3567
01:52:29,208 --> 01:52:30,000
It's like, I'm

3568
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:30,583
one of the guys

3569
01:52:30,583 --> 01:52:31,208
as well.

3570
01:52:31,208 --> 01:52:31,625
Like, I can't

3571
01:52:31,625 --> 01:52:32,250
remember one of

3572
01:52:32,250 --> 01:52:33,500
the dancers that

3573
01:52:33,500 --> 01:52:33,875
they had

3574
01:52:33,875 --> 01:52:34,416
on the show.

3575
01:52:35,125 --> 01:52:36,000
I mean, he was

3576
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:37,166
literally just

3577
01:52:37,166 --> 01:52:38,458
picking up these

3578
01:52:38,458 --> 01:52:39,166
nurse sharks

3579
01:52:39,166 --> 01:52:40,083
and it was just

3580
01:52:40,083 --> 01:52:41,041
like, this

3581
01:52:41,041 --> 01:52:41,583
is gross.

3582
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:42,791
This is not a,

3583
01:52:43,083 --> 01:52:43,791
this is animal

3584
01:52:43,791 --> 01:52:45,000
exploitation at

3585
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:45,250
its

3586
01:52:45,250 --> 01:52:46,250
highest level.

3587
01:52:46,500 --> 01:52:47,125
And this was the

3588
01:52:47,125 --> 01:52:48,291
shark we opened

3589
01:52:48,291 --> 01:52:48,791
it, right?

3590
01:52:48,791 --> 01:52:49,708
It was like such

3591
01:52:49,708 --> 01:52:50,500
a drop ball.

3592
01:52:50,833 --> 01:52:51,833
I mean, the, the,

3593
01:52:51,833 --> 01:52:52,375
the, I remember

3594
01:52:52,375 --> 01:52:53,083
when it, when it

3595
01:52:53,083 --> 01:52:54,375
aired, I didn't

3596
01:52:54,375 --> 01:52:55,041
see it live

3597
01:52:55,041 --> 01:52:55,666
because it's a

3598
01:52:55,666 --> 01:52:56,250
different

3599
01:52:56,250 --> 01:52:56,750
time zone.

3600
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:57,625
But I remember

3601
01:52:57,625 --> 01:52:58,458
the following day

3602
01:52:58,458 --> 01:52:59,166
looking at the

3603
01:52:59,166 --> 01:53:00,125
comments, right?

3604
01:53:00,291 --> 01:53:00,958
And the Facebook

3605
01:53:00,958 --> 01:53:01,750
comments for the

3606
01:53:01,750 --> 01:53:02,250
little snippets

3607
01:53:02,250 --> 01:53:02,875
they'd post on

3608
01:53:02,875 --> 01:53:03,208
this, on,

3609
01:53:03,208 --> 01:53:03,708
on social

3610
01:53:03,708 --> 01:53:05,000
media, or they

3611
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:05,291
were getting absolutely

3612
01:53:05,291 --> 01:53:07,166
tanked.

3613
01:53:07,166 --> 01:53:07,500
They were getting

3614
01:53:07,500 --> 01:53:08,291
absolute.

3615
01:53:08,291 --> 01:53:08,958
And that was, I

3616
01:53:08,958 --> 01:53:09,250
was glad

3617
01:53:09,250 --> 01:53:09,750
to see that.

3618
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:10,583
I was really glad

3619
01:53:10,583 --> 01:53:11,416
to see that so

3620
01:53:11,416 --> 01:53:12,125
many people in

3621
01:53:12,125 --> 01:53:12,625
those comments

3622
01:53:12,625 --> 01:53:13,416
were calling

3623
01:53:13,500 --> 01:53:14,250
Shark Week out

3624
01:53:14,250 --> 01:53:14,750
and being like,

3625
01:53:14,750 --> 01:53:16,333
no, this is not

3626
01:53:16,333 --> 01:53:16,875
what we want.

3627
01:53:16,875 --> 01:53:17,250
You know, that

3628
01:53:17,250 --> 01:53:17,958
was one of

3629
01:53:17,958 --> 01:53:18,333
their worst.

3630
01:53:18,958 --> 01:53:19,625
But you know, the

3631
01:53:19,625 --> 01:53:20,125
thing is what

3632
01:53:20,125 --> 01:53:20,625
they look at is

3633
01:53:20,625 --> 01:53:21,041
like, do they

3634
01:53:21,041 --> 01:53:22,333
make money on it?

3635
01:53:22,541 --> 01:53:22,791
And if they

3636
01:53:22,791 --> 01:53:23,166
make money,

3637
01:53:23,166 --> 01:53:23,541
You're probably

3638
01:53:23,541 --> 01:53:23,958
right,

3639
01:53:23,958 --> 01:53:24,500
Dave. Yeah.

3640
01:53:24,500 --> 01:53:26,125
Yeah. If they

3641
01:53:26,125 --> 01:53:26,833
make money out,

3642
01:53:26,833 --> 01:53:27,333
they don't,

3643
01:53:27,333 --> 01:53:27,916
they'll do,

3644
01:53:27,916 --> 01:53:28,500
they'll do 10

3645
01:53:28,500 --> 01:53:28,791
more of

3646
01:53:28,791 --> 01:53:29,208
those shows.

3647
01:53:29,208 --> 01:53:30,000
If they make, if

3648
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:30,583
the show's making

3649
01:53:30,583 --> 01:53:31,291
money, they'll,

3650
01:53:31,291 --> 01:53:31,833
they'll just keep

3651
01:53:31,833 --> 01:53:32,333
doing them.

3652
01:53:32,583 --> 01:53:33,166
So it's really,

3653
01:53:33,166 --> 01:53:33,833
you can, you can

3654
01:53:33,833 --> 01:53:34,333
say all you want

3655
01:53:34,333 --> 01:53:34,500
about the

3656
01:53:34,500 --> 01:53:35,208
science, the

3657
01:53:35,208 --> 01:53:35,541
quality.

3658
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:36,416
The only person

3659
01:53:36,416 --> 01:53:36,791
that might be

3660
01:53:36,791 --> 01:53:37,958
impacted is if

3661
01:53:37,958 --> 01:53:38,458
you'd done the

3662
01:53:38,458 --> 01:53:38,750
show or

3663
01:53:38,750 --> 01:53:39,166
something,

3664
01:53:39,166 --> 01:53:39,583
someone like

3665
01:53:39,583 --> 01:53:40,208
that. And again,

3666
01:53:41,083 --> 01:53:42,000
the thing, young

3667
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:42,541
people listen to

3668
01:53:42,541 --> 01:53:43,208
this episode.

3669
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:44,458
With fear, when

3670
01:53:44,458 --> 01:53:44,791
you're a young

3671
01:53:44,791 --> 01:53:45,375
person starting

3672
01:53:45,375 --> 01:53:46,500
out, that's what

3673
01:53:46,500 --> 01:53:47,041
everybody in the

3674
01:53:47,041 --> 01:53:47,333
field is going

3675
01:53:47,375 --> 01:53:48,416
to be imprinted

3676
01:53:48,416 --> 01:53:49,458
on. If you've

3677
01:53:49,458 --> 01:53:50,166
been around for,

3678
01:53:50,166 --> 01:53:51,000
you know,

3679
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:51,708
decades, like I

3680
01:53:51,708 --> 01:53:52,333
have, it's like

3681
01:53:52,333 --> 01:53:52,791
the thing, what

3682
01:53:52,791 --> 01:53:53,083
the fuck

3683
01:53:53,083 --> 01:53:53,833
was Dave drunk or

3684
01:53:53,833 --> 01:53:54,291
something or

3685
01:53:54,291 --> 01:53:55,000
something? Yeah,

3686
01:53:55,333 --> 01:53:56,083
but I had a

3687
01:53:56,083 --> 01:53:56,583
little more of a

3688
01:53:56,583 --> 01:53:57,208
cushion, not

3689
01:53:57,208 --> 01:53:57,583
that I would

3690
01:53:57,583 --> 01:53:58,208
do anything like

3691
01:53:58,208 --> 01:53:58,583
that. But I'm

3692
01:53:58,583 --> 01:53:59,125
saying you got a

3693
01:53:59,125 --> 01:53:59,291
little more

3694
01:53:59,291 --> 01:54:00,041
cushion. But if

3695
01:54:00,041 --> 01:54:00,333
that's

3696
01:54:00,333 --> 01:54:01,000
everybody's

3697
01:54:01,166 --> 01:54:01,791
first impression

3698
01:54:01,791 --> 01:54:02,750
of you, it's

3699
01:54:02,750 --> 01:54:03,125
going to be, it

3700
01:54:03,125 --> 01:54:03,333
could be

3701
01:54:03,333 --> 01:54:04,250
impactful and not

3702
01:54:04,250 --> 01:54:04,500
in a good

3703
01:54:04,500 --> 01:54:05,375
way for you.

3704
01:54:05,375 --> 01:54:06,166
And so I try to

3705
01:54:06,166 --> 01:54:07,000
guide my students

3706
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:07,500
have been on

3707
01:54:07,500 --> 01:54:08,083
shows and they've

3708
01:54:08,083 --> 01:54:08,708
asked me about

3709
01:54:08,708 --> 01:54:09,083
it. I'm just

3710
01:54:09,083 --> 01:54:09,541
kind of, well,

3711
01:54:10,041 --> 01:54:10,791
you know, this is

3712
01:54:10,791 --> 01:54:11,333
the parameters.

3713
01:54:11,500 --> 01:54:12,333
Think about this

3714
01:54:12,333 --> 01:54:13,583
and stuff. And

3715
01:54:13,583 --> 01:54:14,375
the thing I've

3716
01:54:14,416 --> 01:54:15,083
always found with

3717
01:54:15,083 --> 01:54:15,541
them is they tend

3718
01:54:15,541 --> 01:54:15,916
to be really

3719
01:54:15,916 --> 01:54:16,625
rigid about they

3720
01:54:16,625 --> 01:54:17,250
got their script

3721
01:54:17,250 --> 01:54:17,666
down, they're

3722
01:54:17,666 --> 01:54:18,875
doing. And the

3723
01:54:18,875 --> 01:54:19,500
example I've

3724
01:54:19,500 --> 01:54:20,416
always used is

3725
01:54:20,416 --> 01:54:21,791
I've literally

3726
01:54:21,791 --> 01:54:23,458
found new species

3727
01:54:23,458 --> 01:54:23,958
of sharks

3728
01:54:23,958 --> 01:54:24,458
doing these

3729
01:54:24,458 --> 01:54:25,708
shows, but it

3730
01:54:25,708 --> 01:54:26,208
wasn't in the

3731
01:54:26,208 --> 01:54:27,916
script. Yeah. And

3732
01:54:27,916 --> 01:54:28,375
so they're just

3733
01:54:28,375 --> 01:54:28,833
like, Oh, we

3734
01:54:28,833 --> 01:54:29,333
don't, I

3735
01:54:29,333 --> 01:54:29,625
mean, it's a

3736
01:54:29,625 --> 01:54:30,000
completely

3737
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:30,875
organic moment

3738
01:54:30,875 --> 01:54:31,708
they capture on

3739
01:54:31,708 --> 01:54:33,041
film, but they

3740
01:54:33,041 --> 01:54:33,833
just, well, it's

3741
01:54:33,833 --> 01:54:34,125
not in the

3742
01:54:34,125 --> 01:54:34,500
scripts. They

3743
01:54:34,500 --> 01:54:35,208
just completely

3744
01:54:35,208 --> 01:54:36,291
leave it on the

3745
01:54:36,291 --> 01:54:37,208
cutting room. I'm

3746
01:54:37,208 --> 01:54:37,583
thinking like

3747
01:54:37,583 --> 01:54:38,291
there's something

3748
01:54:38,291 --> 01:54:38,958
that was real.

3749
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:39,583
So that's what I

3750
01:54:39,583 --> 01:54:40,458
like kind of

3751
01:54:40,458 --> 01:54:40,916
doing my own

3752
01:54:40,916 --> 01:54:42,750
thing now is that

3753
01:54:42,750 --> 01:54:43,666
I could put that

3754
01:54:43,666 --> 01:54:44,041
that's the

3755
01:54:44,041 --> 01:54:44,416
whole point

3756
01:54:44,416 --> 01:54:45,375
of the doing it,

3757
01:54:45,375 --> 01:54:45,833
but it's just

3758
01:54:45,833 --> 01:54:46,708
like, how did you

3759
01:54:46,708 --> 01:54:47,458
mean? It doesn't

3760
01:54:47,458 --> 01:54:48,291
happen that often

3761
01:54:48,291 --> 01:54:48,583
where you

3762
01:54:48,583 --> 01:54:49,500
actually, you

3763
01:54:49,500 --> 01:54:50,291
pick something up

3764
01:54:50,291 --> 01:54:50,791
and you're like,

3765
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:51,500
this is a new

3766
01:54:51,500 --> 01:54:52,375
species of shark.

3767
01:54:52,958 --> 01:54:53,125
And then

3768
01:54:53,125 --> 01:54:53,458
they just,

3769
01:54:53,458 --> 01:54:54,125
but this wasn't

3770
01:54:54,125 --> 01:54:54,750
in the script. So

3771
01:54:54,750 --> 01:54:55,791
they just leave

3772
01:54:55,791 --> 01:54:56,333
it off to the

3773
01:54:56,333 --> 01:54:57,500
side, which is

3774
01:54:57,500 --> 01:54:58,125
like the exciting

3775
01:54:58,166 --> 01:54:59,166
part. Now, this

3776
01:54:59,166 --> 01:55:00,166
is interesting

3777
01:55:00,166 --> 01:55:00,791
too, because now

3778
01:55:00,791 --> 01:55:01,416
you have this,

3779
01:55:01,416 --> 01:55:02,333
this platform

3780
01:55:02,333 --> 01:55:03,333
that you

3781
01:55:03,333 --> 01:55:04,541
use as a way

3782
01:55:04,666 --> 01:55:05,250
to generate

3783
01:55:05,250 --> 01:55:06,208
income. It allows

3784
01:55:06,208 --> 01:55:07,458
you to have so

3785
01:55:07,458 --> 01:55:08,750
many more options

3786
01:55:08,750 --> 01:55:10,583
out there. When

3787
01:55:10,583 --> 01:55:11,083
you, when you

3788
01:55:11,083 --> 01:55:11,583
look, when you

3789
01:55:11,583 --> 01:55:11,833
look at

3790
01:55:11,833 --> 01:55:12,500
everything and

3791
01:55:12,500 --> 01:55:13,416
those options,

3792
01:55:13,791 --> 01:55:15,208
you're able to do

3793
01:55:15,208 --> 01:55:15,375
the

3794
01:55:15,375 --> 01:55:15,958
science that you

3795
01:55:15,958 --> 01:55:16,958
want to do. And

3796
01:55:16,958 --> 01:55:17,500
you've had a

3797
01:55:17,500 --> 01:55:18,041
variety of

3798
01:55:18,041 --> 01:55:18,500
different

3799
01:55:18,500 --> 01:55:19,250
projects. Now

3800
01:55:19,250 --> 01:55:19,416
you're

3801
01:55:19,416 --> 01:55:20,208
working with

3802
01:55:20,958 --> 01:55:22,000
Exeter right now,

3803
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:22,333
University of

3804
01:55:22,333 --> 01:55:23,083
Exeter. Can you

3805
01:55:23,083 --> 01:55:23,666
talk a little bit

3806
01:55:23,666 --> 01:55:24,333
about some of

3807
01:55:24,333 --> 01:55:24,791
that research

3808
01:55:24,791 --> 01:55:25,541
that you're, that

3809
01:55:25,541 --> 01:55:26,000
you're doing?

3810
01:55:26,666 --> 01:55:27,250
Yeah. So I mean,

3811
01:55:27,250 --> 01:55:28,208
does it feed into

3812
01:55:28,208 --> 01:55:28,791
some of the

3813
01:55:28,791 --> 01:55:29,041
videos

3814
01:55:29,041 --> 01:55:29,500
that you do?

3815
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:31,000
Yeah. So to be

3816
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:31,541
fair, that the

3817
01:55:31,541 --> 01:55:32,791
most recent thing

3818
01:55:32,791 --> 01:55:33,625
that I've worked

3819
01:55:33,625 --> 01:55:34,541
on isn't

3820
01:55:34,541 --> 01:55:34,916
technically

3821
01:55:34,916 --> 01:55:35,333
connected

3822
01:55:35,458 --> 01:55:36,208
to the University

3823
01:55:36,208 --> 01:55:36,708
of Exeter. Oh,

3824
01:55:36,708 --> 01:55:37,625
I'm sorry. Yeah.

3825
01:55:37,916 --> 01:55:38,583
But it would, it

3826
01:55:38,583 --> 01:55:38,875
wouldn't have

3827
01:55:38,875 --> 01:55:39,333
been in the notes

3828
01:55:39,333 --> 01:55:39,750
that I gave you

3829
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:39,958
actually

3830
01:55:39,958 --> 01:55:40,833
beforehand. It's

3831
01:55:40,833 --> 01:55:42,500
to do working

3832
01:55:42,500 --> 01:55:43,416
with Mariko at

3833
01:55:43,416 --> 01:55:43,500
the

3834
01:55:43,500 --> 01:55:45,375
moment. So Gonzo

3835
01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:46,916
Arujao, the

3836
01:55:46,916 --> 01:55:48,416
Argentinian, I

3837
01:55:48,416 --> 01:55:48,666
think he's

3838
01:55:48,666 --> 01:55:49,875
Argentinian shark

3839
01:55:49,875 --> 01:55:50,541
scientist, did a

3840
01:55:50,541 --> 01:55:50,708
lot of

3841
01:55:50,708 --> 01:55:51,208
stuff with,

3842
01:55:51,583 --> 01:55:52,125
with whale

3843
01:55:52,125 --> 01:55:54,166
sharks, Gonzalas,

3844
01:55:54,583 --> 01:55:55,750
I think. Yeah.

3845
01:55:56,416 --> 01:55:57,333
Anyway, he owns

3846
01:55:57,333 --> 01:55:58,125
this, this

3847
01:55:58,125 --> 01:55:58,375
company

3848
01:55:58,375 --> 01:55:59,166
called Mariko.

3849
01:55:59,208 --> 01:56:00,000
It's the Marine.

3850
01:56:00,625 --> 01:56:01,000
I can't even

3851
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:01,416
remember what it

3852
01:56:01,416 --> 01:56:01,958
sounds for now.

3853
01:56:01,958 --> 01:56:02,208
That's awful.

3854
01:56:02,541 --> 01:56:04,000
But, but yeah, he

3855
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:04,416
basically

3856
01:56:04,416 --> 01:56:04,958
owns this

3857
01:56:05,500 --> 01:56:06,166
not-for-profit

3858
01:56:06,166 --> 01:56:06,708
research

3859
01:56:06,708 --> 01:56:08,333
organization. And

3860
01:56:08,333 --> 01:56:08,916
the stuff we're

3861
01:56:08,916 --> 01:56:09,750
doing together at

3862
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:10,250
the moment,

3863
01:56:11,125 --> 01:56:11,583
interestingly

3864
01:56:11,583 --> 01:56:13,500
involves GioReal,

3865
01:56:13,500 --> 01:56:14,166
again, the chat

3866
01:56:14,166 --> 01:56:14,750
that I mentioned

3867
01:56:14,750 --> 01:56:15,541
at the start, who

3868
01:56:15,541 --> 01:56:16,416
does those,

3869
01:56:16,875 --> 01:56:17,958
those Instagram

3870
01:56:17,958 --> 01:56:20,000
videos. And he

3871
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:21,083
actually posted

3872
01:56:21,083 --> 01:56:21,666
some, I don't, I

3873
01:56:21,666 --> 01:56:22,166
won't talk about

3874
01:56:22,166 --> 01:56:23,000
it, like, in too

3875
01:56:23,041 --> 01:56:23,916
much detail, so I

3876
01:56:23,916 --> 01:56:24,083
don't want to

3877
01:56:24,083 --> 01:56:24,916
give it away, but

3878
01:56:24,916 --> 01:56:27,041
he posted a video

3879
01:56:27,041 --> 01:56:28,791
a little while

3880
01:56:28,791 --> 01:56:29,250
ago, it was

3881
01:56:29,250 --> 01:56:30,125
probably back in

3882
01:56:30,125 --> 01:56:30,916
late November,

3883
01:56:31,333 --> 01:56:31,833
that he had

3884
01:56:31,833 --> 01:56:33,458
filmed here off

3885
01:56:33,458 --> 01:56:34,166
Castle Beach

3886
01:56:34,166 --> 01:56:34,708
where he usually

3887
01:56:34,708 --> 01:56:36,916
goes out. And he

3888
01:56:36,916 --> 01:56:37,375
had

3889
01:56:37,375 --> 01:56:39,500
effectively filmed

3890
01:56:39,833 --> 01:56:40,875
a nurse hound,

3891
01:56:40,875 --> 01:56:42,000
which is a small,

3892
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:42,666
demersal shark

3893
01:56:42,666 --> 01:56:43,500
species that we

3894
01:56:43,500 --> 01:56:45,208
get here on our

3895
01:56:45,208 --> 01:56:45,958
beach, you know,

3896
01:56:46,166 --> 01:56:46,625
just off the

3897
01:56:46,625 --> 01:56:48,583
beach, doing an

3898
01:56:48,583 --> 01:56:49,250
agonistic threat

3899
01:56:49,250 --> 01:56:50,750
display. Now, I

3900
01:56:50,750 --> 01:56:52,708
remember I saw

3901
01:56:52,708 --> 01:56:53,750
the video and he

3902
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:54,541
had then sent it

3903
01:56:54,541 --> 01:56:54,916
to me on

3904
01:56:54,916 --> 01:56:55,625
Instagram and was

3905
01:56:55,625 --> 01:56:56,833
like, hey, what'd

3906
01:56:56,833 --> 01:56:57,333
you think about

3907
01:56:57,333 --> 01:56:58,083
this? And I

3908
01:56:58,083 --> 01:56:58,500
looked at it and

3909
01:56:58,500 --> 01:56:59,208
I was like, well,

3910
01:56:59,375 --> 01:56:59,916
that looks like

3911
01:56:59,916 --> 01:57:00,500
an agonistic

3912
01:57:00,500 --> 01:57:01,166
threat display to

3913
01:57:01,166 --> 01:57:01,791
me, you know,

3914
01:57:01,791 --> 01:57:02,541
that the, in

3915
01:57:02,541 --> 01:57:03,375
terms of the body

3916
01:57:03,375 --> 01:57:04,083
posturing, the

3917
01:57:04,083 --> 01:57:04,916
body signals that

3918
01:57:04,916 --> 01:57:05,500
that kind of

3919
01:57:05,500 --> 01:57:06,458
really strong

3920
01:57:06,458 --> 01:57:08,333
physical behavior

3921
01:57:08,333 --> 01:57:09,250
that that were

3922
01:57:09,250 --> 01:57:10,083
that they that

3923
01:57:10,083 --> 01:57:10,375
was being

3924
01:57:10,375 --> 01:57:12,083
performed. And I

3925
01:57:12,083 --> 01:57:12,541
said to him,

3926
01:57:12,541 --> 01:57:13,000
look, you know,

3927
01:57:13,208 --> 01:57:13,583
give me a couple

3928
01:57:13,583 --> 01:57:14,416
of days, I'm

3929
01:57:14,416 --> 01:57:15,083
gonna go away and

3930
01:57:15,083 --> 01:57:15,416
I'm gonna have a

3931
01:57:15,416 --> 01:57:15,708
look in the

3932
01:57:15,708 --> 01:57:16,125
literature. And

3933
01:57:16,166 --> 01:57:16,833
and see what we

3934
01:57:16,833 --> 01:57:18,291
can find. And I

3935
01:57:18,291 --> 01:57:18,916
couldn't find

3936
01:57:18,916 --> 01:57:20,166
anything in the

3937
01:57:20,166 --> 01:57:20,500
science of

3938
01:57:20,500 --> 01:57:21,875
literature about

3939
01:57:21,875 --> 01:57:23,250
nurse hounds

3940
01:57:23,250 --> 01:57:23,875
performing

3941
01:57:23,875 --> 01:57:24,916
agonistic threat

3942
01:57:24,916 --> 01:57:26,000
displays. And

3943
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:26,666
it's an unusual

3944
01:57:26,666 --> 01:57:27,333
thing, because

3945
01:57:27,333 --> 01:57:28,875
this species of

3946
01:57:28,875 --> 01:57:32,000
shark is no, no

3947
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:32,916
threat to humans,

3948
01:57:33,291 --> 01:57:33,875
they're, they're

3949
01:57:33,875 --> 01:57:34,541
small, then you

3950
01:57:34,541 --> 01:57:34,916
know, they're

3951
01:57:34,916 --> 01:57:36,083
probably maximum

3952
01:57:36,083 --> 01:57:37,000
size of about

3953
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:38,583
three and a half,

3954
01:57:38,791 --> 01:57:39,875
four feet ish,

3955
01:57:39,875 --> 01:57:41,041
maybe the one in

3956
01:57:41,041 --> 01:57:42,083
the in the video

3957
01:57:42,083 --> 01:57:42,875
that geo filmed

3958
01:57:42,875 --> 01:57:44,041
was less than, I

3959
01:57:44,041 --> 01:57:45,666
think it was 70.

3960
01:57:47,041 --> 01:57:47,833
So like 74

3961
01:57:47,833 --> 01:57:48,500
centimeters long,

3962
01:57:48,500 --> 01:57:49,500
so it's not a big

3963
01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:51,291
shot, right? But

3964
01:57:51,291 --> 01:57:52,041
it for some

3965
01:57:52,041 --> 01:57:54,083
reason has, you

3966
01:57:54,083 --> 01:57:54,666
know, given off

3967
01:57:54,666 --> 01:57:56,791
this very strong

3968
01:57:56,791 --> 01:57:57,583
display. And

3969
01:57:57,583 --> 01:57:58,833
that's the that's

3970
01:57:58,833 --> 01:57:59,291
sort of what

3971
01:57:59,291 --> 01:58:00,208
we're, we're

3972
01:58:00,208 --> 01:58:00,750
working on. And

3973
01:58:00,750 --> 01:58:02,125
we're, we're

3974
01:58:02,125 --> 01:58:02,583
effectively

3975
01:58:02,583 --> 01:58:03,791
classifying that

3976
01:58:03,791 --> 01:58:04,791
and showing, you

3977
01:58:04,791 --> 01:58:05,625
know, this isn't

3978
01:58:05,625 --> 01:58:06,000
potentially

3979
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:06,583
another shark

3980
01:58:06,583 --> 01:58:07,541
species, and it's

3981
01:58:07,541 --> 01:58:07,958
not published

3982
01:58:07,958 --> 01:58:08,666
that. So we can't

3983
01:58:08,666 --> 01:58:09,125
quite say.

3984
01:58:09,166 --> 01:58:09,958
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3985
01:58:10,083 --> 01:58:11,708
But yeah, but you

3986
01:58:11,708 --> 01:58:12,166
know, potentially

3987
01:58:12,166 --> 01:58:12,708
another shark

3988
01:58:12,708 --> 01:58:13,750
species to add to

3989
01:58:13,750 --> 01:58:15,000
the collection of

3990
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:15,375
sharks that

3991
01:58:15,375 --> 01:58:15,958
perform this and

3992
01:58:15,958 --> 01:58:16,833
we kind of in the

3993
01:58:16,833 --> 01:58:17,250
paper, we're

3994
01:58:17,250 --> 01:58:17,708
looking at the

3995
01:58:17,708 --> 01:58:18,916
reasons why what

3996
01:58:18,916 --> 01:58:20,500
what's what are

3997
01:58:20,500 --> 01:58:21,208
some of the

3998
01:58:21,208 --> 01:58:22,083
things that that

3999
01:58:22,083 --> 01:58:22,750
led up to this

4000
01:58:22,750 --> 01:58:23,291
incident that

4001
01:58:23,291 --> 01:58:24,500
might have caused

4002
01:58:24,500 --> 01:58:25,333
this display. So

4003
01:58:25,333 --> 01:58:25,666
it's kind of

4004
01:58:25,666 --> 01:58:26,375
looking at it

4005
01:58:26,375 --> 01:58:27,625
from a from a

4006
01:58:27,625 --> 01:58:27,916
behavioral

4007
01:58:27,916 --> 01:58:28,416
perspective,

4008
01:58:28,875 --> 01:58:29,666
which is yeah,

4009
01:58:29,666 --> 01:58:29,875
which is

4010
01:58:29,875 --> 01:58:30,208
really cool.

4011
01:58:30,833 --> 01:58:32,250
Oh, cool. Cool.

4012
01:58:32,291 --> 01:58:33,166
Well, that's,

4013
01:58:33,166 --> 01:58:33,708
that's, that's

4014
01:58:33,708 --> 01:58:34,083
pretty neat.

4015
01:58:34,625 --> 01:58:35,750
Like, well, like,

4016
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:36,541
Kristen, like,

4017
01:58:36,541 --> 01:58:37,000
this has been

4018
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:38,041
terrific talking

4019
01:58:38,041 --> 01:58:38,750
to you about this

4020
01:58:38,750 --> 01:58:39,750
whole about your

4021
01:58:39,750 --> 01:58:40,375
background and

4022
01:58:40,375 --> 01:58:40,916
your interest.

4023
01:58:40,916 --> 01:58:41,541
And we definitely

4024
01:58:41,541 --> 01:58:42,041
gonna have to

4025
01:58:42,041 --> 01:58:42,833
have it back on.

4026
01:58:42,833 --> 01:58:43,750
Oh, I'd love to

4027
01:58:43,750 --> 01:58:44,291
come back on.

4028
01:58:45,208 --> 01:58:45,750
I got another we

4029
01:58:45,750 --> 01:58:46,250
could price back

4030
01:58:46,250 --> 01:58:46,833
and easily spend

4031
01:58:46,833 --> 01:58:47,416
another hour just

4032
01:58:47,416 --> 01:58:47,958
asking some

4033
01:58:47,958 --> 01:58:48,416
questions about

4034
01:58:48,416 --> 01:58:49,125
this. But we,

4035
01:58:49,750 --> 01:58:50,958
we'll, we'll kind

4036
01:58:50,958 --> 01:58:51,833
of like sort of

4037
01:58:51,833 --> 01:58:52,458
close up here.

4038
01:58:52,458 --> 01:58:53,083
But I want to ask

4039
01:58:53,083 --> 01:58:54,125
you kind of we do

4040
01:58:54,125 --> 01:58:55,375
before we let our

4041
01:58:55,375 --> 01:58:56,208
guests go like,

4042
01:58:56,500 --> 01:58:57,416
so what where do

4043
01:58:57,416 --> 01:58:57,916
you kind of see

4044
01:58:57,916 --> 01:58:58,541
your career going

4045
01:58:58,541 --> 01:58:59,208
at this point in

4046
01:58:59,208 --> 01:58:59,875
time, or

4047
01:58:59,875 --> 01:59:00,208
the next 10?

4048
01:59:00,250 --> 01:59:01,125
20 years?

4049
01:59:02,041 --> 01:59:02,916
So really good

4050
01:59:02,916 --> 01:59:03,458
question.

4051
01:59:03,875 --> 01:59:04,250
Yeah, yeah.

4052
01:59:04,875 --> 01:59:06,833
For the time

4053
01:59:06,833 --> 01:59:08,541
being, I'm super

4054
01:59:08,541 --> 01:59:09,291
happy doing what

4055
01:59:09,291 --> 01:59:12,416
I'm doing. I want

4056
01:59:12,416 --> 01:59:13,125
to continue to

4057
01:59:13,125 --> 01:59:13,791
grow the channel,

4058
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:14,291
I want to

4059
01:59:14,291 --> 01:59:15,333
continue to grow,

4060
01:59:15,333 --> 01:59:17,500
you know, my, my

4061
01:59:17,500 --> 01:59:19,083
platform as a

4062
01:59:19,083 --> 01:59:19,375
science

4063
01:59:19,375 --> 01:59:20,208
communicator and

4064
01:59:20,208 --> 01:59:21,166
see what doors

4065
01:59:21,166 --> 01:59:21,791
that that

4066
01:59:21,791 --> 01:59:22,541
unlocks. I mean,

4067
01:59:22,541 --> 01:59:23,333
I'd love to

4068
01:59:23,333 --> 01:59:24,083
feature on some

4069
01:59:24,083 --> 01:59:25,208
more, some more

4070
01:59:25,208 --> 01:59:25,625
TV shows

4071
01:59:25,625 --> 01:59:26,083
if I could.

4072
01:59:26,125 --> 01:59:27,375
I'd love to

4073
01:59:27,375 --> 01:59:28,416
feature on some

4074
01:59:28,416 --> 01:59:29,208
some Nat Geo

4075
01:59:29,208 --> 01:59:30,000
shark fest shows

4076
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:31,375
if there's any,

4077
01:59:31,375 --> 01:59:32,500
if there's any

4078
01:59:32,500 --> 01:59:33,666
sharp as

4079
01:59:33,666 --> 01:59:34,791
listening. Yeah,

4080
01:59:34,791 --> 01:59:35,541
no, but you know,

4081
01:59:35,916 --> 01:59:36,250
maybe explore

4082
01:59:36,250 --> 01:59:38,750
some more stuff

4083
01:59:38,750 --> 01:59:40,541
in TV carry on

4084
01:59:40,541 --> 01:59:41,000
occasionally

4085
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:41,541
writing those

4086
01:59:41,541 --> 01:59:42,333
research rivers.

4087
01:59:42,333 --> 01:59:43,333
That's such a big

4088
01:59:43,333 --> 01:59:44,083
thing for me is

4089
01:59:44,083 --> 01:59:45,541
still feeling

4090
01:59:45,541 --> 01:59:46,750
involved within

4091
01:59:46,750 --> 01:59:47,333
the scientific

4092
01:59:47,333 --> 01:59:48,250
community as well

4093
01:59:48,250 --> 01:59:48,750
as doing all

4094
01:59:48,750 --> 01:59:49,666
this, this

4095
01:59:49,666 --> 01:59:49,958
science

4096
01:59:49,958 --> 01:59:50,333
communication,

4097
01:59:50,333 --> 01:59:51,958
because the

4098
01:59:51,958 --> 01:59:52,708
reason I got into

4099
01:59:52,708 --> 01:59:53,875
this in the first

4100
01:59:53,875 --> 01:59:54,625
place was because

4101
01:59:54,625 --> 01:59:55,291
I loved the

4102
01:59:55,291 --> 01:59:55,666
science

4103
01:59:55,666 --> 01:59:56,083
of sharks.

4104
01:59:56,125 --> 01:59:56,875
Right. That was

4105
01:59:56,875 --> 01:59:58,125
writing research

4106
01:59:58,125 --> 01:59:58,833
papers, planning

4107
01:59:58,833 --> 01:59:59,458
out new things

4108
01:59:59,458 --> 02:00:00,791
and making sure

4109
02:00:00,791 --> 02:00:01,375
that I'm writing

4110
02:00:01,375 --> 02:00:02,583
those those those

4111
02:00:02,583 --> 02:00:03,333
research papers

4112
02:00:03,333 --> 02:00:05,000
is still a really

4113
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:05,541
important thing

4114
02:00:05,541 --> 02:00:06,708
for me. So yeah,

4115
02:00:06,708 --> 02:00:08,708
in five years or

4116
02:00:08,708 --> 02:00:10,291
so, I'd hope that

4117
02:00:10,291 --> 02:00:11,750
maybe the channel

4118
02:00:11,750 --> 02:00:12,958
was was bigger

4119
02:00:12,958 --> 02:00:13,833
than it is now.

4120
02:00:13,875 --> 02:00:15,541
And maybe maybe I

4121
02:00:15,541 --> 02:00:16,041
could even push

4122
02:00:16,041 --> 02:00:16,916
upwards of yeah,

4123
02:00:17,125 --> 02:00:17,791
million million

4124
02:00:17,791 --> 02:00:18,708
million would be

4125
02:00:18,708 --> 02:00:20,666
amazing. But but

4126
02:00:20,666 --> 02:00:21,083
just just

4127
02:00:21,083 --> 02:00:22,166
enjoying doing

4128
02:00:22,166 --> 02:00:22,750
what I'm doing,

4129
02:00:22,750 --> 02:00:23,458
creating a

4130
02:00:23,458 --> 02:00:24,916
community. And

4131
02:00:24,916 --> 02:00:26,083
just speaking the

4132
02:00:26,083 --> 02:00:26,625
facts, speaking

4133
02:00:26,625 --> 02:00:27,625
the truth about

4134
02:00:27,625 --> 02:00:28,500
about sharks,

4135
02:00:28,500 --> 02:00:29,208
right? They're

4136
02:00:29,208 --> 02:00:29,791
there. They're a

4137
02:00:29,791 --> 02:00:30,000
very

4138
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:30,541
misunderstood

4139
02:00:30,541 --> 02:00:32,041
animal. But I

4140
02:00:32,041 --> 02:00:32,625
think sometimes,

4141
02:00:32,625 --> 02:00:33,708
you know, people

4142
02:00:33,708 --> 02:00:35,833
can get just one

4143
02:00:35,833 --> 02:00:37,375
particular story

4144
02:00:37,375 --> 02:00:38,166
about sharks,

4145
02:00:38,166 --> 02:00:39,000
right? And they

4146
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:39,541
have a mental

4147
02:00:39,541 --> 02:00:40,083
image of what

4148
02:00:40,083 --> 02:00:40,708
they are and what

4149
02:00:40,708 --> 02:00:41,250
they do and all

4150
02:00:41,250 --> 02:00:41,541
this kind of

4151
02:00:41,541 --> 02:00:42,166
stuff. It's just,

4152
02:00:42,166 --> 02:00:42,875
you know, make

4153
02:00:42,875 --> 02:00:43,666
making sure that

4154
02:00:43,666 --> 02:00:43,833
people are

4155
02:00:43,875 --> 02:00:44,333
understand

4156
02:00:44,333 --> 02:00:45,416
there's loads of

4157
02:00:45,416 --> 02:00:45,875
things that

4158
02:00:45,875 --> 02:00:46,375
sharks do and

4159
02:00:46,375 --> 02:00:46,750
there's loads of

4160
02:00:46,750 --> 02:00:47,916
cool things that

4161
02:00:47,916 --> 02:00:48,333
you can learn

4162
02:00:48,333 --> 02:00:49,500
about them. Yeah,

4163
02:00:49,500 --> 02:00:50,500
yeah, I love it.

4164
02:00:50,500 --> 02:00:51,208
Just final quick

4165
02:00:51,208 --> 02:00:51,750
question. Like,

4166
02:00:51,750 --> 02:00:52,083
what would you

4167
02:00:52,083 --> 02:00:52,875
what advice would

4168
02:00:52,875 --> 02:00:53,500
you have for

4169
02:00:53,500 --> 02:00:54,125
someone, a young

4170
02:00:54,125 --> 02:00:54,750
person starting

4171
02:00:54,750 --> 02:00:56,750
out in shark

4172
02:00:56,750 --> 02:00:57,416
doing sharks

4173
02:00:57,416 --> 02:00:58,458
research, social

4174
02:00:58,458 --> 02:01:00,083
communication,

4175
02:01:00,416 --> 02:01:00,583
science

4176
02:01:00,583 --> 02:01:01,125
communication,

4177
02:01:01,125 --> 02:01:01,583
what would you

4178
02:01:01,583 --> 02:01:02,750
what advice would

4179
02:01:02,750 --> 02:01:03,750
you have? I think

4180
02:01:03,750 --> 02:01:04,583
for someone going

4181
02:01:04,583 --> 02:01:05,041
to shark

4182
02:01:05,041 --> 02:01:05,958
research, I would

4183
02:01:05,958 --> 02:01:07,250
say, don't

4184
02:01:07,250 --> 02:01:08,791
necessarily look

4185
02:01:08,791 --> 02:01:09,416
at the

4186
02:01:09,416 --> 02:01:10,458
traditional path,

4187
02:01:10,458 --> 02:01:12,000
right? That's

4188
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:12,666
what I did. And

4189
02:01:12,666 --> 02:01:13,125
it didn't work

4190
02:01:13,125 --> 02:01:13,833
for me. Some of the things that I did.

4191
02:01:13,875 --> 02:01:14,791
Some people that

4192
02:01:14,791 --> 02:01:15,500
can work for I'm

4193
02:01:15,500 --> 02:01:16,666
sure it can. But

4194
02:01:16,666 --> 02:01:17,750
just because the

4195
02:01:17,750 --> 02:01:18,625
traditional path

4196
02:01:18,625 --> 02:01:19,750
doesn't

4197
02:01:19,750 --> 02:01:20,916
necessarily work

4198
02:01:20,916 --> 02:01:21,416
for you, it

4199
02:01:21,416 --> 02:01:22,000
doesn't mean

4200
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:22,750
there isn't a

4201
02:01:22,750 --> 02:01:23,541
route for you

4202
02:01:23,541 --> 02:01:24,000
into the

4203
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:24,666
industry, right?

4204
02:01:25,083 --> 02:01:26,208
I think I'm, I'd

4205
02:01:26,208 --> 02:01:27,083
like to think I'm

4206
02:01:27,083 --> 02:01:27,458
an alright

4207
02:01:27,458 --> 02:01:28,375
example of that.

4208
02:01:29,083 --> 02:01:29,916
The traditional

4209
02:01:29,916 --> 02:01:30,666
path didn't work.

4210
02:01:30,958 --> 02:01:32,041
But I've weaseled

4211
02:01:32,041 --> 02:01:32,833
out a little

4212
02:01:32,833 --> 02:01:33,750
corner, a little

4213
02:01:33,750 --> 02:01:34,458
niche, a little

4214
02:01:34,458 --> 02:01:36,750
area that that is

4215
02:01:36,750 --> 02:01:37,708
important to me.

4216
02:01:37,958 --> 02:01:38,958
And I feel like

4217
02:01:38,958 --> 02:01:40,291
gives something

4218
02:01:40,291 --> 02:01:41,750
back to everyone

4219
02:01:41,750 --> 02:01:42,625
else as well. And

4220
02:01:42,625 --> 02:01:43,833
you don't

4221
02:01:43,833 --> 02:01:44,708
necessarily have

4222
02:01:44,708 --> 02:01:45,791
to go down that

4223
02:01:45,791 --> 02:01:46,791
that well trodden

4224
02:01:46,791 --> 02:01:47,750
path, you can you

4225
02:01:47,750 --> 02:01:48,333
can open

4226
02:01:48,333 --> 02:01:49,208
different doors,

4227
02:01:49,208 --> 02:01:49,666
right? You can

4228
02:01:49,666 --> 02:01:50,333
look at different

4229
02:01:50,333 --> 02:01:51,041
options and

4230
02:01:51,041 --> 02:01:51,916
explore different

4231
02:01:51,916 --> 02:01:52,500
things. Do you

4232
02:01:52,500 --> 02:01:53,083
want to go into

4233
02:01:53,083 --> 02:01:54,250
the more artsy

4234
02:01:54,250 --> 02:01:54,833
side of things?

4235
02:01:55,041 --> 02:01:55,958
And that's,

4236
02:01:55,958 --> 02:01:56,458
that's kind of

4237
02:01:56,458 --> 02:01:57,666
what I did. In

4238
02:01:57,666 --> 02:01:58,125
terms of science

4239
02:01:58,125 --> 02:01:59,000
communication, I

4240
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:00,875
think my best

4241
02:02:00,875 --> 02:02:01,666
advice would be

4242
02:02:01,666 --> 02:02:02,833
to if you if you

4243
02:02:02,833 --> 02:02:03,333
want to start

4244
02:02:03,333 --> 02:02:03,708
communicating

4245
02:02:03,708 --> 02:02:04,875
science, start

4246
02:02:04,875 --> 02:02:06,500
posting. Yeah,

4247
02:02:06,750 --> 02:02:07,291
set the camera

4248
02:02:07,291 --> 02:02:07,958
up, set the

4249
02:02:07,958 --> 02:02:08,708
microphone up,

4250
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:09,666
get that, you

4251
02:02:09,666 --> 02:02:10,166
know, get the

4252
02:02:10,166 --> 02:02:10,750
phone out,

4253
02:02:10,750 --> 02:02:12,166
record, just do

4254
02:02:12,166 --> 02:02:13,291
it. That's the

4255
02:02:13,291 --> 02:02:13,833
hardest step.

4256
02:02:13,875 --> 02:02:14,666
You can sit and

4257
02:02:14,666 --> 02:02:15,291
think about it

4258
02:02:15,291 --> 02:02:16,625
for months and

4259
02:02:16,625 --> 02:02:16,916
months and

4260
02:02:16,916 --> 02:02:18,208
months. Until you

4261
02:02:18,208 --> 02:02:19,291
do it. Yeah,

4262
02:02:19,291 --> 02:02:19,708
you're not going

4263
02:02:19,708 --> 02:02:20,375
to get any better

4264
02:02:20,375 --> 02:02:21,083
at it. And the

4265
02:02:21,083 --> 02:02:21,708
technology is

4266
02:02:21,708 --> 02:02:22,541
there now, right?

4267
02:02:22,541 --> 02:02:23,750
It's so easy to

4268
02:02:23,750 --> 02:02:24,583
do. We have these

4269
02:02:24,583 --> 02:02:25,458
devices in their

4270
02:02:25,458 --> 02:02:27,000
phone. We've got

4271
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:27,333
them in our

4272
02:02:27,333 --> 02:02:28,166
pockets, right?

4273
02:02:28,166 --> 02:02:28,708
Yeah, get that

4274
02:02:28,708 --> 02:02:29,500
out and film

4275
02:02:29,500 --> 02:02:30,166
something. Right?

4276
02:02:30,666 --> 02:02:31,500
Just just do it.

4277
02:02:31,500 --> 02:02:31,958
That's that would

4278
02:02:31,958 --> 02:02:33,208
be my my best

4279
02:02:33,208 --> 02:02:35,333
advice. Do it. Do

4280
02:02:35,333 --> 02:02:36,125
you know, get out

4281
02:02:36,125 --> 02:02:37,041
and do it and do

4282
02:02:37,041 --> 02:02:37,791
it because you

4283
02:02:37,791 --> 02:02:39,041
want to do it.

4284
02:02:39,250 --> 02:02:39,458
Absolutely.

4285
02:02:39,708 --> 02:02:40,083
That's the key.

4286
02:02:40,291 --> 02:02:40,666
Passionate about

4287
02:02:40,666 --> 02:02:42,000
it. Yeah, great.

4288
02:02:42,458 --> 02:02:43,791
That's great.

4289
02:02:44,083 --> 02:02:44,916
Super advice and

4290
02:02:44,916 --> 02:02:45,666
thank you so much

4291
02:02:45,666 --> 02:02:46,291
for coming on

4292
02:02:46,291 --> 02:02:47,666
today and sharing

4293
02:02:47,666 --> 02:02:48,375
your story with

4294
02:02:48,375 --> 02:02:49,541
us and we'll

4295
02:02:49,541 --> 02:02:50,000
definitely going

4296
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:50,500
to have you back

4297
02:02:50,500 --> 02:02:51,833
on. We got a lot

4298
02:02:51,833 --> 02:02:52,458
more to talk to

4299
02:02:52,458 --> 02:02:53,625
you about. So I

4300
02:02:53,625 --> 02:02:54,375
would absolutely

4301
02:02:54,375 --> 02:02:55,625
love to love to

4302
02:02:55,625 --> 02:02:56,166
come back on at

4303
02:02:56,166 --> 02:02:56,666
some point.

4304
02:02:56,666 --> 02:02:57,208
Thanks so much

4305
02:02:57,208 --> 02:02:57,500
for having

4306
02:02:57,500 --> 02:02:58,000
me, guys.

4307
02:02:58,333 --> 02:02:58,791
Thank you,

4308
02:02:58,791 --> 02:02:59,125
Christian. We

4309
02:02:59,125 --> 02:02:59,791
appreciate it.

4310
02:03:00,041 --> 02:03:00,250
Thank you,

4311
02:03:00,250 --> 02:03:00,666
Christian, for

4312
02:03:00,666 --> 02:03:01,250
joining us on

4313
02:03:01,250 --> 02:03:01,875
today's episode

4314
02:03:01,875 --> 02:03:02,541
of the Beyond

4315
02:03:02,541 --> 02:03:03,208
Jaws podcast.

4316
02:03:03,500 --> 02:03:03,958
Dave, like,

4317
02:03:03,958 --> 02:03:04,541
what'd you think

4318
02:03:04,541 --> 02:03:05,166
about this? I

4319
02:03:05,166 --> 02:03:05,625
know you didn't

4320
02:03:05,625 --> 02:03:06,500
know him too much

4321
02:03:06,500 --> 02:03:08,291
before we had him

4322
02:03:08,291 --> 02:03:09,000
on the podcast,

4323
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:10,041
but you said a

4324
02:03:10,041 --> 02:03:10,625
note after the

4325
02:03:10,625 --> 02:03:11,000
interview and

4326
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:11,500
you're like, that

4327
02:03:11,500 --> 02:03:12,041
was a lot of fun.

4328
02:03:12,541 --> 02:03:13,166
Yeah, well, that

4329
02:03:13,166 --> 02:03:13,791
was great. He was

4330
02:03:13,791 --> 02:03:14,833
a great cast.

4331
02:03:15,083 --> 02:03:15,833
But, you know,

4332
02:03:16,083 --> 02:03:16,625
like I was

4333
02:03:16,625 --> 02:03:17,833
familiar with his

4334
02:03:17,833 --> 02:03:18,791
his YouTube

4335
02:03:18,791 --> 02:03:19,458
channel and

4336
02:03:19,458 --> 02:03:19,875
stuff, but I

4337
02:03:19,875 --> 02:03:21,041
never really paid

4338
02:03:21,041 --> 02:03:21,458
that close

4339
02:03:21,458 --> 02:03:22,416
attention to it.

4340
02:03:22,416 --> 02:03:23,125
That one and the

4341
02:03:23,125 --> 02:03:23,791
other one, the

4342
02:03:23,791 --> 02:03:26,125
Jaws fan fan said

4343
02:03:26,125 --> 02:03:27,500
he had. I just

4344
02:03:27,500 --> 02:03:29,000
I'd never like

4345
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:29,875
I'd seen him, but

4346
02:03:29,875 --> 02:03:30,375
I never really

4347
02:03:30,375 --> 02:03:31,083
paid that close

4348
02:03:31,083 --> 02:03:31,750
attention to it.

4349
02:03:31,750 --> 02:03:32,958
I didn't I think

4350
02:03:32,958 --> 02:03:33,333
part of it, I

4351
02:03:33,333 --> 02:03:33,750
didn't recognize

4352
02:03:33,750 --> 02:03:34,541
the names with

4353
02:03:34,541 --> 02:03:35,000
it. I really

4354
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:35,541
wasn't sure who

4355
02:03:35,541 --> 02:03:36,416
was connected

4356
02:03:36,416 --> 02:03:37,125
with it. And so I

4357
02:03:37,125 --> 02:03:37,875
just there's a

4358
02:03:37,875 --> 02:03:38,500
lot of those out

4359
02:03:38,500 --> 02:03:39,041
there. And so I

4360
02:03:39,041 --> 02:03:39,458
don't unless

4361
02:03:39,458 --> 02:03:40,250
somebody says

4362
02:03:40,250 --> 02:03:41,625
points like you

4363
02:03:41,625 --> 02:03:42,291
did say, hey,

4364
02:03:42,291 --> 02:03:42,791
Dave, check this

4365
02:03:42,791 --> 02:03:43,291
one out. This

4366
02:03:43,291 --> 02:03:43,833
might be a really

4367
02:03:43,833 --> 02:03:44,416
good guess to

4368
02:03:44,416 --> 02:03:45,583
have on. Yeah, I

4369
02:03:45,583 --> 02:03:46,000
tend to I

4370
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:46,541
tend to.

4371
02:03:47,833 --> 02:03:48,500
You tend to miss

4372
02:03:48,500 --> 02:03:49,541
him sometimes. So

4373
02:03:49,541 --> 02:03:50,583
yeah, he was he

4374
02:03:50,583 --> 02:03:51,166
was phenomenal.

4375
02:03:51,458 --> 02:03:52,125
Just yeah, I just

4376
02:03:52,125 --> 02:03:52,833
basically found

4377
02:03:52,833 --> 02:03:53,500
something to do,

4378
02:03:53,500 --> 02:03:54,291
like, well, I

4379
02:03:54,291 --> 02:03:55,000
can't find a job.

4380
02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:55,333
So I'll just

4381
02:03:55,333 --> 02:03:56,125
create my own,

4382
02:03:56,125 --> 02:03:56,958
which is

4383
02:03:56,958 --> 02:03:57,791
like great.

4384
02:03:57,791 --> 02:03:58,166
Well, I don't

4385
02:03:58,166 --> 02:03:58,708
even think he

4386
02:03:58,708 --> 02:04:00,166
expected it to

4387
02:04:00,166 --> 02:04:00,666
right. I didn't

4388
02:04:00,666 --> 02:04:01,208
expect the

4389
02:04:01,208 --> 02:04:01,833
channel to blow

4390
02:04:01,833 --> 02:04:02,458
up the way it

4391
02:04:02,458 --> 02:04:03,875
did. You know, he

4392
02:04:03,875 --> 02:04:04,500
said at one point

4393
02:04:04,500 --> 02:04:05,750
he got to 60,000.

4394
02:04:05,750 --> 02:04:06,041
Now he's at

4395
02:04:06,041 --> 02:04:07,500
184,000

4396
02:04:07,500 --> 02:04:08,500
subscribers. And,

4397
02:04:08,500 --> 02:04:09,708
you know, it's

4398
02:04:09,708 --> 02:04:10,916
now it's it's

4399
02:04:10,916 --> 02:04:11,458
providing him

4400
02:04:11,458 --> 02:04:12,375
with the money he

4401
02:04:12,375 --> 02:04:13,291
needs to survive

4402
02:04:13,291 --> 02:04:14,041
to put food on

4403
02:04:14,041 --> 02:04:14,875
the table to pay

4404
02:04:14,875 --> 02:04:15,875
for rent and all

4405
02:04:15,875 --> 02:04:16,375
that kind of

4406
02:04:16,375 --> 02:04:17,500
stuff. And and I

4407
02:04:17,500 --> 02:04:19,000
think it's it's

4408
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:20,083
we're starting to

4409
02:04:20,083 --> 02:04:22,000
see a lot of

4410
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:22,875
people from

4411
02:04:22,875 --> 02:04:23,625
different

4412
02:04:23,625 --> 02:04:24,500
generations, not

4413
02:04:24,500 --> 02:04:24,958
just young

4414
02:04:24,958 --> 02:04:25,875
generations, but

4415
02:04:25,875 --> 02:04:26,958
starting to come

4416
02:04:26,958 --> 02:04:27,500
out with

4417
02:04:27,500 --> 02:04:27,791
their own.

4418
02:04:27,916 --> 02:04:29,083
Own way of

4419
02:04:29,083 --> 02:04:30,083
earning like

4420
02:04:30,083 --> 02:04:31,041
money and and,

4421
02:04:31,041 --> 02:04:31,583
you know, we're

4422
02:04:31,583 --> 02:04:34,000
in this content

4423
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:35,125
creation time

4424
02:04:35,125 --> 02:04:37,250
where people have

4425
02:04:37,250 --> 02:04:38,416
the ability to

4426
02:04:38,416 --> 02:04:39,250
create their own

4427
02:04:39,250 --> 02:04:40,333
content and make

4428
02:04:40,333 --> 02:04:41,500
money off of it.

4429
02:04:41,833 --> 02:04:43,208
It's hard to do. Not

4430
02:04:43,208 --> 02:04:44,250
everybody can do it.

4431
02:04:44,958 --> 02:04:45,750
But if you're

4432
02:04:45,750 --> 02:04:46,833
able to do and

4433
02:04:46,833 --> 02:04:47,208
you're putting

4434
02:04:47,208 --> 02:04:47,875
the dedication

4435
02:04:47,875 --> 02:04:49,291
and doing it, you

4436
02:04:49,291 --> 02:04:50,625
have it opens you

4437
02:04:50,625 --> 02:04:51,500
up to so many

4438
02:04:51,500 --> 02:04:52,208
more things that

4439
02:04:52,208 --> 02:04:53,541
you can do on

4440
02:04:53,541 --> 02:04:56,166
your own time

4441
02:04:56,166 --> 02:04:57,458
with your own,

4442
02:04:57,458 --> 02:04:58,291
you know, your

4443
02:04:58,291 --> 02:04:59,083
own way.

4444
02:04:59,541 --> 02:05:00,333
And you don't

4445
02:05:00,333 --> 02:05:01,666
have to have a

4446
02:05:01,666 --> 02:05:02,458
job that may only

4447
02:05:02,458 --> 02:05:03,166
have like six

4448
02:05:03,166 --> 02:05:04,041
months funding or

4449
02:05:04,041 --> 02:05:04,500
three months

4450
02:05:04,500 --> 02:05:05,333
funding or a year

4451
02:05:05,333 --> 02:05:06,500
funding and have

4452
02:05:06,500 --> 02:05:07,208
to move across

4453
02:05:07,208 --> 02:05:08,041
the world or move

4454
02:05:08,041 --> 02:05:08,541
across the

4455
02:05:08,541 --> 02:05:09,083
country or

4456
02:05:09,083 --> 02:05:09,625
wherever you're

4457
02:05:09,625 --> 02:05:10,500
living and have

4458
02:05:10,500 --> 02:05:11,000
to uproot

4459
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:11,375
yourself.

4460
02:05:11,875 --> 02:05:12,458
You can do it

4461
02:05:12,458 --> 02:05:12,958
from wherever

4462
02:05:12,958 --> 02:05:14,000
you'd like. You

4463
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:14,875
can travel if you

4464
02:05:14,875 --> 02:05:15,833
want. You can you

4465
02:05:15,833 --> 02:05:16,333
can collaborate

4466
02:05:16,333 --> 02:05:16,583
with

4467
02:05:16,583 --> 02:05:17,500
whoever you want.

4468
02:05:18,083 --> 02:05:19,375
There's not a lot

4469
02:05:19,375 --> 02:05:20,041
of restrictions

4470
02:05:20,041 --> 02:05:21,083
in that. And it

4471
02:05:21,083 --> 02:05:22,458
gives it kind of

4472
02:05:22,458 --> 02:05:23,125
opens up that

4473
02:05:23,125 --> 02:05:24,041
entrepreneur life

4474
02:05:24,041 --> 02:05:25,000
for scientists

4475
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:25,916
and

4476
02:05:25,916 --> 02:05:26,791
conservationists,

4477
02:05:26,791 --> 02:05:27,416
especially in the

4478
02:05:27,416 --> 02:05:28,583
shark world, to

4479
02:05:28,583 --> 02:05:28,875
be able

4480
02:05:28,875 --> 02:05:29,333
to do that.

4481
02:05:29,375 --> 02:05:30,291
And I think, you

4482
02:05:30,291 --> 02:05:33,666
know, Christian

4483
02:05:33,666 --> 02:05:34,416
is a great

4484
02:05:34,416 --> 02:05:34,958
example of that

4485
02:05:34,958 --> 02:05:35,250
with his

4486
02:05:35,250 --> 02:05:35,791
shark bites.

4487
02:05:36,583 --> 02:05:37,250
Kate Passionate,

4488
02:05:37,458 --> 02:05:38,916
who is a marine

4489
02:05:38,916 --> 02:05:40,041
mammal biologist,

4490
02:05:40,041 --> 02:05:40,958
who's on YouTube,

4491
02:05:41,500 --> 02:05:42,125
very similar

4492
02:05:42,125 --> 02:05:42,333
channels.

4493
02:05:42,708 --> 02:05:43,541
And but she talks

4494
02:05:43,541 --> 02:05:44,083
about marine

4495
02:05:44,083 --> 02:05:44,625
mammals and

4496
02:05:44,625 --> 02:05:45,458
marine science as

4497
02:05:45,458 --> 02:05:47,041
well. She has a

4498
02:05:47,041 --> 02:05:47,333
lot of

4499
02:05:47,333 --> 02:05:47,916
subscribers.

4500
02:05:48,500 --> 02:05:48,833
She's able

4501
02:05:48,833 --> 02:05:49,125
to do that.

4502
02:05:49,125 --> 02:05:49,583
She's got a full

4503
02:05:49,583 --> 02:05:50,375
time job as well.

4504
02:05:50,375 --> 02:05:51,000
But she does this

4505
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:52,416
on the kind of on

4506
02:05:52,416 --> 02:05:52,958
the side, but

4507
02:05:52,958 --> 02:05:53,625
probably earns

4508
02:05:53,625 --> 02:05:54,625
similar amounts

4509
02:05:54,625 --> 02:05:55,583
of money to it.

4510
02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:56,083
And it just

4511
02:05:56,083 --> 02:05:57,250
allows people to

4512
02:05:57,250 --> 02:05:58,250
be a little bit

4513
02:05:58,250 --> 02:05:58,833
have a little bit

4514
02:05:58,833 --> 02:05:59,750
more freedom in

4515
02:05:59,750 --> 02:06:00,375
the career

4516
02:06:00,375 --> 02:06:00,958
decisions that

4517
02:06:00,958 --> 02:06:02,208
they make and not

4518
02:06:02,208 --> 02:06:02,708
always looking

4519
02:06:02,708 --> 02:06:03,333
for that extra

4520
02:06:03,333 --> 02:06:03,666
funding.

4521
02:06:03,666 --> 02:06:04,083
They're able to

4522
02:06:04,083 --> 02:06:05,000
drive their own

4523
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:05,958
funding. I love

4524
02:06:05,958 --> 02:06:07,416
and respect the

4525
02:06:07,416 --> 02:06:07,958
amount of work it

4526
02:06:07,958 --> 02:06:08,333
takes because,

4527
02:06:08,333 --> 02:06:09,083
you know, I'm

4528
02:06:09,083 --> 02:06:10,083
we're struggling

4529
02:06:10,083 --> 02:06:10,666
with like we're

4530
02:06:10,666 --> 02:06:11,083
getting a couple

4531
02:06:11,083 --> 02:06:11,833
hundred views and

4532
02:06:11,833 --> 02:06:12,500
we're happy with

4533
02:06:12,500 --> 02:06:12,666
it and

4534
02:06:12,666 --> 02:06:13,125
stuff here.

4535
02:06:13,125 --> 02:06:13,416
They're getting

4536
02:06:13,416 --> 02:06:14,541
like tens of

4537
02:06:14,541 --> 02:06:15,083
thousands of

4538
02:06:15,083 --> 02:06:15,833
views, even more

4539
02:06:15,833 --> 02:06:17,041
than that. And

4540
02:06:17,041 --> 02:06:17,791
it's great.

4541
02:06:17,833 --> 02:06:19,375
So I just I love

4542
02:06:19,375 --> 02:06:21,125
this new formula

4543
02:06:21,125 --> 02:06:22,583
to have a career

4544
02:06:22,583 --> 02:06:23,458
and the ability

4545
02:06:23,458 --> 02:06:23,958
that the Internet

4546
02:06:23,958 --> 02:06:24,625
can provide,

4547
02:06:25,458 --> 02:06:26,000
which is not a

4548
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:26,666
traditional way

4549
02:06:26,666 --> 02:06:27,375
of doing things

4550
02:06:27,375 --> 02:06:28,083
for the marine

4551
02:06:28,083 --> 02:06:28,833
science world.

4552
02:06:28,958 --> 02:06:29,583
Yeah. And I think

4553
02:06:29,583 --> 02:06:30,333
I think the big

4554
02:06:30,333 --> 02:06:31,125
thing to think to

4555
02:06:31,125 --> 02:06:31,791
we talked about

4556
02:06:31,791 --> 02:06:32,375
that as well as

4557
02:06:32,375 --> 02:06:33,666
like you can he

4558
02:06:33,666 --> 02:06:34,125
talked about how

4559
02:06:34,125 --> 02:06:34,791
excited he was to

4560
02:06:34,791 --> 02:06:35,166
do a shark

4561
02:06:35,166 --> 02:06:35,708
week show.

4562
02:06:36,208 --> 02:06:36,750
You know, then we

4563
02:06:36,750 --> 02:06:37,291
got into like,

4564
02:06:37,291 --> 02:06:37,625
you know,

4565
02:06:37,916 --> 02:06:38,291
obviously, I've

4566
02:06:38,291 --> 02:06:38,583
done those

4567
02:06:38,583 --> 02:06:39,166
for years.

4568
02:06:39,166 --> 02:06:39,625
And I'm just

4569
02:06:39,625 --> 02:06:40,125
like, you know,

4570
02:06:40,958 --> 02:06:41,333
when you're on

4571
02:06:41,333 --> 02:06:41,875
those shows, you

4572
02:06:41,875 --> 02:06:42,625
got to follow the

4573
02:06:42,625 --> 02:06:43,333
script that they

4574
02:06:43,333 --> 02:06:44,041
put out to you

4575
02:06:44,041 --> 02:06:45,208
where the thing I

4576
02:06:45,208 --> 02:06:45,750
found, which

4577
02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:46,416
really and you

4578
02:06:46,416 --> 02:06:47,250
know, this really

4579
02:06:47,250 --> 02:06:47,750
got me going.

4580
02:06:47,750 --> 02:06:48,916
On my own YouTube

4581
02:06:48,916 --> 02:06:49,666
channel now with

4582
02:06:49,666 --> 02:06:50,250
the lost sharks

4583
02:06:50,250 --> 02:06:51,791
is I could tell

4584
02:06:51,791 --> 02:06:52,333
the story the way

4585
02:06:52,333 --> 02:06:53,083
I want to tell

4586
02:06:53,083 --> 02:06:54,333
them. Yeah. And

4587
02:06:54,333 --> 02:06:55,375
so like I'm

4588
02:06:55,375 --> 02:06:56,166
way going.

4589
02:06:56,166 --> 02:06:56,541
That's why we've

4590
02:06:56,541 --> 02:06:56,833
been really

4591
02:06:56,833 --> 02:06:57,500
trying to put it.

4592
02:06:57,500 --> 02:06:57,958
We put it up, put

4593
02:06:57,958 --> 02:06:58,458
a lot of effort

4594
02:06:58,458 --> 02:06:58,791
into these

4595
02:06:58,791 --> 02:07:00,000
stories, as you

4596
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:00,541
know, Andrew,

4597
02:07:00,541 --> 02:07:01,083
trying to like

4598
02:07:01,083 --> 02:07:02,125
have try to put

4599
02:07:02,125 --> 02:07:02,750
out, you know,

4600
02:07:02,750 --> 02:07:03,750
for the resources

4601
02:07:03,750 --> 02:07:04,875
we have access to

4602
02:07:04,875 --> 02:07:06,333
put out a story,

4603
02:07:06,708 --> 02:07:07,541
compelling story

4604
02:07:07,541 --> 02:07:07,958
about these

4605
02:07:07,958 --> 02:07:08,541
different sharks

4606
02:07:08,541 --> 02:07:09,208
and these little

4607
02:07:09,208 --> 02:07:09,708
known ones.

4608
02:07:10,166 --> 02:07:10,541
But it's like

4609
02:07:10,541 --> 02:07:11,083
we're telling the

4610
02:07:11,083 --> 02:07:12,708
story the way I,

4611
02:07:12,708 --> 02:07:13,083
you know, I'm in

4612
02:07:13,083 --> 02:07:13,541
my case, I'm

4613
02:07:13,541 --> 02:07:14,000
telling the story

4614
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:14,416
of what I

4615
02:07:14,416 --> 02:07:14,958
want to tell.

4616
02:07:15,625 --> 02:07:15,958
And hopefully

4617
02:07:15,958 --> 02:07:16,833
people pick up on

4618
02:07:16,833 --> 02:07:17,333
that. And that's

4619
02:07:17,333 --> 02:07:18,583
kind of what he's

4620
02:07:18,583 --> 02:07:19,208
he's kind of

4621
02:07:19,208 --> 02:07:19,791
doing, too. He's

4622
02:07:19,791 --> 02:07:20,208
just putting out

4623
02:07:20,208 --> 02:07:20,791
information.

4624
02:07:22,041 --> 02:07:22,583
If I want to know

4625
02:07:22,583 --> 02:07:23,375
nothing to him.

4626
02:07:23,916 --> 02:07:24,291
Yeah. I want to

4627
02:07:24,291 --> 02:07:24,791
say anything. I

4628
02:07:24,791 --> 02:07:25,250
want to say to

4629
02:07:25,250 --> 02:07:25,708
him. We've had

4630
02:07:25,708 --> 02:07:26,500
never we had that

4631
02:07:26,500 --> 02:07:27,291
we've had a few

4632
02:07:27,291 --> 02:07:27,833
people on

4633
02:07:27,833 --> 02:07:28,125
recently.

4634
02:07:28,375 --> 02:07:28,708
We've had a

4635
02:07:28,708 --> 02:07:29,416
number of them on

4636
02:07:29,416 --> 02:07:30,916
as he talked

4637
02:07:30,916 --> 02:07:31,500
about he couldn't

4638
02:07:31,500 --> 02:07:32,166
find a job.

4639
02:07:32,333 --> 02:07:32,625
You know, he

4640
02:07:32,625 --> 02:07:32,958
wasn't getting

4641
02:07:32,958 --> 02:07:33,416
interviews,

4642
02:07:33,416 --> 02:07:34,083
wasn't anywhere.

4643
02:07:34,083 --> 02:07:35,250
And, you know,

4644
02:07:35,250 --> 02:07:35,791
some of the, you

4645
02:07:35,791 --> 02:07:36,416
know, I know the

4646
02:07:36,416 --> 02:07:37,000
young people

4647
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:37,583
think like, oh,

4648
02:07:37,583 --> 02:07:38,000
there's just no

4649
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:38,833
jobs right now.

4650
02:07:38,875 --> 02:07:39,291
And money's

4651
02:07:39,291 --> 02:07:40,333
tight. Well, let

4652
02:07:40,333 --> 02:07:40,750
me tell you,

4653
02:07:40,750 --> 02:07:41,166
somebody who's

4654
02:07:41,166 --> 02:07:41,958
been around a lot

4655
02:07:41,958 --> 02:07:43,333
longer than going

4656
02:07:43,333 --> 02:07:43,833
back to the

4657
02:07:43,833 --> 02:07:44,791
eighties. There's

4658
02:07:44,791 --> 02:07:45,500
never been a lot

4659
02:07:45,500 --> 02:07:46,916
of jobs in the

4660
02:07:46,916 --> 02:07:47,708
field going even

4661
02:07:47,708 --> 02:07:48,333
the only time

4662
02:07:48,333 --> 02:07:48,875
there's a bit of

4663
02:07:48,875 --> 02:07:49,583
a spike was in

4664
02:07:49,583 --> 02:07:49,916
the sixties.

4665
02:07:50,625 --> 02:07:51,166
Yeah. In the

4666
02:07:51,166 --> 02:07:51,791
seventies, it

4667
02:07:51,791 --> 02:07:53,750
dried up. And my

4668
02:07:53,750 --> 02:07:54,500
professors told

4669
02:07:54,500 --> 02:07:55,208
me this back at

4670
02:07:55,208 --> 02:07:55,916
the time when I

4671
02:07:55,916 --> 02:07:56,416
was in school in

4672
02:07:56,416 --> 02:07:56,666
the late

4673
02:07:56,666 --> 02:07:57,333
seventies and

4674
02:07:57,333 --> 02:07:58,041
early eighties,

4675
02:07:58,041 --> 02:07:59,125
it just, you

4676
02:07:59,125 --> 02:07:59,416
know, there's

4677
02:07:59,416 --> 02:08:00,083
just it's just

4678
02:08:00,083 --> 02:08:00,750
never been a

4679
02:08:00,750 --> 02:08:01,291
field. There's

4680
02:08:01,291 --> 02:08:02,125
been jobs at.

4681
02:08:02,750 --> 02:08:03,208
And I mean, I

4682
02:08:03,208 --> 02:08:03,625
could tell I've

4683
02:08:03,625 --> 02:08:04,166
never had a

4684
02:08:04,166 --> 02:08:05,041
regular job. I've

4685
02:08:05,041 --> 02:08:05,583
never had a

4686
02:08:05,583 --> 02:08:06,833
permanent hard

4687
02:08:06,833 --> 02:08:07,875
money job in my

4688
02:08:07,875 --> 02:08:08,625
entire career. So

4689
02:08:08,625 --> 02:08:09,541
if you're 30

4690
02:08:09,541 --> 02:08:10,208
years old,

4691
02:08:10,208 --> 02:08:10,458
thinking like,

4692
02:08:10,458 --> 02:08:10,958
wow, what am I

4693
02:08:10,958 --> 02:08:11,333
going to do?

4694
02:08:11,333 --> 02:08:11,916
Like, well, I'm a

4695
02:08:11,916 --> 02:08:12,500
lot older than

4696
02:08:12,500 --> 02:08:14,208
that. And I just

4697
02:08:14,208 --> 02:08:15,708
passion,

4698
02:08:15,708 --> 02:08:16,791
perseverance,

4699
02:08:17,750 --> 02:08:18,791
drive. If you

4700
02:08:18,791 --> 02:08:19,625
really want to

4701
02:08:19,625 --> 02:08:20,000
stick into it,

4702
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:20,875
but don't think

4703
02:08:20,875 --> 02:08:21,166
you're going to

4704
02:08:21,166 --> 02:08:21,875
get a job. And

4705
02:08:21,875 --> 02:08:23,208
the thing I think

4706
02:08:23,208 --> 02:08:23,750
with a lot of

4707
02:08:23,750 --> 02:08:24,166
people who've had

4708
02:08:24,166 --> 02:08:24,916
the show is

4709
02:08:24,916 --> 02:08:26,000
they've had a lot

4710
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:26,291
of very

4711
02:08:26,291 --> 02:08:26,750
entrepreneurial

4712
02:08:26,750 --> 02:08:27,958
people. They come

4713
02:08:27,958 --> 02:08:29,375
to realize like I

4714
02:08:29,375 --> 02:08:30,833
can do, I can

4715
02:08:30,833 --> 02:08:31,625
wait around, try

4716
02:08:31,625 --> 02:08:32,208
and maybe like,

4717
02:08:32,250 --> 02:08:32,541
I can get lucky

4718
02:08:32,541 --> 02:08:33,791
and land a job or

4719
02:08:33,791 --> 02:08:35,041
I can, I can

4720
02:08:35,041 --> 02:08:36,500
start my own. And

4721
02:08:36,500 --> 02:08:37,416
as we say with

4722
02:08:37,416 --> 02:08:38,208
the pros and cons

4723
02:08:38,208 --> 02:08:39,250
about it, we've

4724
02:08:39,250 --> 02:08:39,750
talked with other

4725
02:08:39,750 --> 02:08:40,333
people about

4726
02:08:40,333 --> 02:08:41,375
this, you know,

4727
02:08:41,375 --> 02:08:42,291
is that if you do

4728
02:08:42,291 --> 02:08:42,750
your own thing,

4729
02:08:42,750 --> 02:08:43,250
you can do it the

4730
02:08:43,250 --> 02:08:43,916
way you want to

4731
02:08:43,916 --> 02:08:45,041
do it. Yeah. You

4732
02:08:45,041 --> 02:08:45,500
know, there's

4733
02:08:45,500 --> 02:08:46,125
downsides because

4734
02:08:46,125 --> 02:08:46,750
you have to run a

4735
02:08:46,750 --> 02:08:47,500
business, which

4736
02:08:47,500 --> 02:08:48,291
it is a business,

4737
02:08:48,833 --> 02:08:49,416
but you can, you

4738
02:08:49,416 --> 02:08:50,166
can focus and

4739
02:08:50,166 --> 02:08:51,000
gear towards what

4740
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:51,791
you want to do.

4741
02:08:52,125 --> 02:08:52,625
And there's a lot

4742
02:08:52,625 --> 02:08:53,166
to be said about

4743
02:08:53,166 --> 02:08:54,000
that. You know,

4744
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:55,375
if you're that

4745
02:08:55,375 --> 02:08:56,291
cliche about, you

4746
02:08:56,291 --> 02:08:56,958
know, if you do

4747
02:08:56,958 --> 02:08:57,458
something, you

4748
02:08:57,458 --> 02:08:58,041
enjoy, you never

4749
02:08:58,041 --> 02:08:58,666
work a day in

4750
02:08:58,666 --> 02:08:59,250
your life. And

4751
02:08:59,250 --> 02:08:59,708
that's really,

4752
02:08:59,708 --> 02:09:00,208
it's true.

4753
02:09:00,875 --> 02:09:03,041
And so, and

4754
02:09:03,041 --> 02:09:03,666
certainly

4755
02:09:03,666 --> 02:09:04,875
Kristen, he's

4756
02:09:04,875 --> 02:09:06,083
done that man.

4757
02:09:06,083 --> 02:09:06,791
He's really did

4758
02:09:06,791 --> 02:09:07,833
that. And it's

4759
02:09:07,833 --> 02:09:09,583
amazing. Yeah. So

4760
02:09:09,583 --> 02:09:10,125
it's trying to

4761
02:09:10,125 --> 02:09:10,625
try and figure

4762
02:09:10,625 --> 02:09:11,166
out how to build

4763
02:09:11,166 --> 02:09:11,791
a pickup, picked

4764
02:09:11,791 --> 02:09:12,458
up a few things

4765
02:09:12,458 --> 02:09:13,000
from him.

4766
02:09:13,208 --> 02:09:13,791
Exactly.

4767
02:09:14,291 --> 02:09:14,791
Hopefully get out

4768
02:09:14,791 --> 02:09:15,333
there and we're

4769
02:09:15,333 --> 02:09:15,500
going to have

4770
02:09:15,500 --> 02:09:15,625
some

4771
02:09:15,625 --> 02:09:16,041
conversations

4772
02:09:16,041 --> 02:09:16,750
with them after

4773
02:09:16,750 --> 02:09:17,708
to make sure that

4774
02:09:17,708 --> 02:09:18,708
we can take

4775
02:09:18,708 --> 02:09:19,791
advantage of what

4776
02:09:19,791 --> 02:09:20,458
he knows. And

4777
02:09:20,458 --> 02:09:21,166
he's super happy

4778
02:09:21,166 --> 02:09:22,416
to help us out.

4779
02:09:22,833 --> 02:09:23,208
You know, he

4780
02:09:23,208 --> 02:09:23,916
says, look, I'm

4781
02:09:23,916 --> 02:09:24,541
not a guru. I

4782
02:09:24,541 --> 02:09:25,166
just, this is,

4783
02:09:25,166 --> 02:09:25,583
this has worked

4784
02:09:25,583 --> 02:09:26,500
out for me. And,

4785
02:09:26,666 --> 02:09:27,333
um, you know, you

4786
02:09:27,333 --> 02:09:28,000
look at how

4787
02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:28,458
things are

4788
02:09:28,458 --> 02:09:29,291
packaged and,

4789
02:09:29,500 --> 02:09:30,083
and, and on

4790
02:09:30,083 --> 02:09:30,916
YouTube and why

4791
02:09:30,916 --> 02:09:31,708
people click. And

4792
02:09:31,708 --> 02:09:32,500
I think that's

4793
02:09:32,500 --> 02:09:33,166
really what we,

4794
02:09:33,416 --> 02:09:33,916
what you have to

4795
02:09:33,916 --> 02:09:34,500
go with. And I

4796
02:09:34,500 --> 02:09:34,833
think that's

4797
02:09:34,833 --> 02:09:35,375
really, that's

4798
02:09:35,375 --> 02:09:35,916
really important.

4799
02:09:36,291 --> 02:09:37,208
So, um, yeah, it

4800
02:09:37,208 --> 02:09:37,791
was great to have

4801
02:09:37,791 --> 02:09:38,166
him on the

4802
02:09:38,166 --> 02:09:38,875
podcast. You

4803
02:09:38,875 --> 02:09:39,458
can't wait to

4804
02:09:39,458 --> 02:09:39,875
have him on

4805
02:09:39,875 --> 02:09:40,416
again. Cause I

4806
02:09:40,416 --> 02:09:40,916
think he's got so

4807
02:09:40,916 --> 02:09:41,500
much information

4808
02:09:41,500 --> 02:09:42,625
to share just

4809
02:09:42,625 --> 02:09:43,583
about career wise

4810
02:09:43,583 --> 02:09:44,041
and science

4811
02:09:44,041 --> 02:09:44,375
communication,

4812
02:09:44,375 --> 02:09:45,625
but also science.

4813
02:09:45,625 --> 02:09:46,625
Um, and I think

4814
02:09:46,625 --> 02:09:47,166
it's really fun

4815
02:09:47,166 --> 02:09:47,791
to be able to

4816
02:09:47,791 --> 02:09:48,875
look at this new

4817
02:09:48,875 --> 02:09:50,958
type of path that

4818
02:09:50,958 --> 02:09:51,500
we haven't

4819
02:09:51,500 --> 02:09:52,708
explored in the, in the past.

4820
02:09:52,708 --> 02:09:53,916
So we were able

4821
02:09:53,916 --> 02:09:54,500
to explore it

4822
02:09:54,500 --> 02:09:55,000
with Christian,

4823
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:55,500
which is great.

4824
02:09:55,791 --> 02:09:56,458
So thank you

4825
02:09:56,458 --> 02:09:56,791
again to

4826
02:09:56,791 --> 02:09:57,208
Christian for

4827
02:09:57,208 --> 02:09:57,791
joining us. We'll

4828
02:09:57,791 --> 02:09:58,666
put his link to

4829
02:09:58,666 --> 02:09:59,000
his YouTube

4830
02:09:59,000 --> 02:09:59,541
channel on all

4831
02:09:59,541 --> 02:10:00,625
the socials in

4832
02:10:00,625 --> 02:10:01,166
the show notes.

4833
02:10:01,166 --> 02:10:01,500
And Dave, if

4834
02:10:01,500 --> 02:10:01,916
people want to

4835
02:10:01,916 --> 02:10:02,375
get a hold of

4836
02:10:02,375 --> 02:10:02,666
you, how would

4837
02:10:02,666 --> 02:10:03,375
they do so?

4838
02:10:03,583 --> 02:10:04,250
Uh, it's on

4839
02:10:04,250 --> 02:10:05,250
Instagram. It's a

4840
02:10:05,250 --> 02:10:05,958
law shark guy

4841
02:10:05,958 --> 02:10:07,291
also on YouTube,

4842
02:10:07,708 --> 02:10:08,500
a law shark guy.

4843
02:10:08,500 --> 02:10:09,250
Check out our

4844
02:10:09,250 --> 02:10:10,083
series at Andrew

4845
02:10:10,083 --> 02:10:10,708
and I and so

4846
02:10:10,708 --> 02:10:12,000
Denise Sotomayor

4847
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:12,625
doing with

4848
02:10:12,625 --> 02:10:13,791
searching for law

4849
02:10:13,791 --> 02:10:14,625
sharks extinct or

4850
02:10:14,625 --> 02:10:15,916
alive and have a

4851
02:10:15,916 --> 02:10:16,458
new episode

4852
02:10:16,458 --> 02:10:16,708
posted here real soon.

4853
02:10:16,750 --> 02:10:18,875
Can't wait. And

4854
02:10:18,875 --> 02:10:19,500
if you want to

4855
02:10:19,500 --> 02:10:20,958
watch this on

4856
02:10:20,958 --> 02:10:21,500
YouTube, you can

4857
02:10:21,500 --> 02:10:22,875
do so at beyond

4858
02:10:22,875 --> 02:10:23,958
jaws pod and

4859
02:10:23,958 --> 02:10:24,958
beyond jaws pod

4860
02:10:24,958 --> 02:10:25,541
on Instagram.

4861
02:10:26,041 --> 02:10:26,500
Thank you so much

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for joining us on

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today's episode

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of the beyond

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jaws podcast from

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Dave and I have a

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great day. We'll

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talk to you next

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time and happy

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conservation.