How Sophie Maycock’s New Book is Changing the Way We See Sharks

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This is a bonus episode here on the

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Beyond Jaws podcast.

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We're gonna be talking to

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Sophie Maycock about her book.

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Let me put it in front here.

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Shark, a illustrated biography.

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If you thought you

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knew things about sharks,

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you might wanna take a look at this book

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because I think some

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of the information here

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will surprise you.

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And we're gonna talk all about that,

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especially the way that

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sharks have been presented

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in this book, not your typical book

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that you would think for sharks.

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So this is gonna be a fun episode.

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Let's get started with the show.

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Hey everybody, welcome back

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to another exciting episode

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of the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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A bonus episode.

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I'm your co-host Andrew

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Lewin here with my other co-host,

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Dr. David Ebert.

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Dave, are you ready to

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talk about sharks today?

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Oh, absolutely.

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Especially we got a new

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shark book coming out.

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That's always a great one.

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And having Sophie Maycock on,

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she's just electric, was amazing.

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Oh yeah.

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It's gonna be an amazing interview.

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And I didn't really know her that much

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other than through

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social media and stuff.

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And of course her co-author Dan Abel,

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I've known for quite a few years.

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But yeah, I'm really

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looking forward to this one.

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Her episode talking a

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little bit about her background

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and how she got into doing the sharks.

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And I don't want to

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give away the episode,

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but listeners- Exactly.

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Super interesting how she

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got interested in doing the,

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doing this book and everything.

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So I hope you enjoy it.

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I really hope you enjoy it and definitely

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check out this episode.

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Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

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This is something that we all love to talk about, Dave,

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with the amount of

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books that you've written.

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And then of course, having Sophie for

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some who's writing of her first book,

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or who's written now, who had written her

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first book with a

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little legendary Daniel Abel,

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who we've had on the podcast before.

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So it's a lot of fun to be able to talk

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about how this all came to be,

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what came out of it, and then what she

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has planned for the future.

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We talk all about that in this interview.

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So here's the

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interview with Sophie Maycock.

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Enjoy and we'll talk to you after.

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Hey Sophie, welcome to the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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Are you ready to talk about sharks?

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I've always already talked about sharks.

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I love it.

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Well, welcome everybody to another

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episode of Beyond Jaws podcast.

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We have a special bonus episode today

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with the fabulous Sophie Maycock as our

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guest to talk about her new book,

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Shark, the Illustrated Biography that she

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co-authored with Dan Abel,

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who was on the podcast last year and he's

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a professor at the

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Coastal Carolina University.

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Sophie is a specialist shark specialist

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and science communications expert who

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founded and runs a

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public outreach project,

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SharkSpeak.

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After earning her bachelor's degree in

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biological sciences and a master's in

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evolution, biodiversity and conservation,

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Sophie specialized in marine

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conservation and shark behavior.

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She's participated in a wide range of

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research projects and presented her work

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at several scientific

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conferences around the world.

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She gained experience studying sharks in

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the lab and in the field in South Africa,

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Australia, the

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Netherlands and the Bahamas.

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And then after moving back to her home

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country of England, she now turned her

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attention to sharing her passion for

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sharks through various outreach projects.

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Shark speak has an extensive social media

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presence and Sophie also conducts public

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education events at

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bookshops, schools and universities.

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And this work has culminated in the book

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we're going to talk about today.

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Shark, the Illustrated Biography.

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Her background is she did her bachelor's

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degree at the University of East Anglica

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and her master's at University of Leiden.

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And Sophie, welcome to the show.

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Thank you so much for having me, guys.

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It's so great to be here.

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Cool. Well, you got to ask you if

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everybody wants to know, like, how do you

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get interested in sharks?

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By accident is the short version.

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The long version is that when I was a

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teenager, I had no

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idea what I wanted to do.

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I loved literature and I loved science

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and I didn't know what to do.

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So I decided I'll take a year out and I

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will go and travel to find myself, you

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know, like all teenagers say.

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But it ended up actually working out

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because I thought

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I'll volunteer somewhere.

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I picked randomly and I picked a great

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white shark diving

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experience in South Africa.

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And it was I only chose it because I

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thought I'd sound cool.

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I thought all my friends

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will think I'm really brave.

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But it really it really was a life

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changing moment, though.

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When I saw my first shark in the wild, I

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just had this amazing magical moment of

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like, oh, wow, everything I thought about

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these animals was completely wrong.

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And from that moment on, I decided I

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wanted to help other people understand

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why what they think

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about sharks is wrong.

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Were you down were you down at Muscle Bay or a cons by or when?

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Yes, it was that Hans

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by in South Africa. Yeah.

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OK, I have to ask.

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I've spent a lot of time

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and lived in South Africa.

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I got I know all these like I had to ask

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where you were exactly.

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You went there.

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quite a credit credit thing.

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Jumping right into the white shark stuff

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pretty quickly from not.

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You grew up in it.

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Yeah, you grew up in England.

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Correct.

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With the least watery background possible

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near Oxford in the landlocked center of

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England, you know, no sharks to be seen

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on Attenborough shows.

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So, yeah, completely unlikely.

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But here I am.

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Was that your first encounter like when

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you watched

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Attenborough, you know, do his thing?

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Was that what made you really understand?

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OK, this is what I want to do or this is

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where I want to explore a little more.

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I always suspected I wanted to do

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something in science.

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So I always suspected I might go into that.

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You know, when I was learning myself, so

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it was a bit of a trial by fire, really.

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when you speak to the public about sharks

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compared to learning about the science of

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sharks, the anatomy, the physiology, the

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genetics and even the ecology.

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You really start to understand what

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people want to know

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about the animal to write.

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Did you find that when you were when you

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were doing those tours?

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For sure. And what I love about what I do

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now is, you know, I do a lot of science

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communication stuff now.

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Yeah. And the reason I fell in love with

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it is because the public asked the most

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incredible questions. Right.

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Amazing the things people come up with.

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And I find myself going to know what I

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don't know the answer. I'm going to have

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to research that I get back to you.

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And you don't get those questions from

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people in scientific world. You get a

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whole new sort of wonder from people that

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aren't in the field,

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which is just inspiring.

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Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So you went.

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So after you did Australia, you've been

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you made it to Australia and the Bahamas,

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which are kind of some of the nicer

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places to go as far as sharks.

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But also the Netherlands. Don't forget

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that. I just read the

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Netherlands. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. I did a lot of volunteer work. I

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just thought, you know, this is something

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I want to do. I'm just going to anywhere

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I go. I'm just going to sort of see if

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there's anything I can do to volunteer in

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the lab, in the field anywhere.

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circuitous path all around the houses to

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to where I am now. So quite

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a strange way into academia.

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Yes. So I had all these experiences that

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kind of like that really got you like,

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OK, I want to be able to communicate

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about sharks and everything. And so and

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so how did how did

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you wind up coming back?

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how did you end up coming going back to

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England? Well, that was really quite an

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important moment as well, because I

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finished my master's and I was thinking

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I'm going to start applying for PhDs.

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You know, my career is flying and I came

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home to England and 11 days later, we

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went into the covid lockdown.

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Oh, yeah. So I was. Oh, yeah.

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So I was in my 30s in my parents house

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thinking, oh, my God, I'm now trapped in

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England for who knows how long. And I was

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losing my mind a bit in my house.

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So I I thought, well, I can't do a PhD

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right now unless I put

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some sharks in my bath.

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So I thought, you know, we always talk

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about reaching out to the public. Why

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don't I just start doing it? And I just

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started writing articles and I started

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setting up my website and I started

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meeting the public online.

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And I thought, actually, this is really

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fun. And I started really enjoying it.

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And so I started shark speak and it's

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just exploded. And now it's sort of

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become my passion, really.

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I'm not even in the field with sharks

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that often I'm online talking to the

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public about sharks, which is amazing.

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Wow. Yeah. That's super interesting.

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Turn in that situation into such an

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outreach. So at that point in time, did

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you have like a very large network of

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people that you knew in

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the shark world at all?

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I did. Yeah, because I've been going to

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conferences throughout my master's. So

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I've met a few different people, which

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was amazing. And they

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really inspired me, you know.

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So I did have a network, which was great,

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but I found most of it all sort of just

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came from social media is so powerful.

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You can go on there and you can meet

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people all over the world

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and communicate this, you know.

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And I had no idea that it would be as far

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reaching as it has become.

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If you just if we just use it for good,

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right? Just social media for good. That

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we're okay. Yes. If only,

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right? What a perfect world.

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I think it's interesting, you know, you

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go into, you know, obviously a global

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pandemic. We all went into that

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definitely changed a lot of people's

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career paths, you know,

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including including yours.

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And all of a sudden you find yourself,

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OK, I've got to build a site. I've got to

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build a bigger presence. I've got to

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start like looking at educational tools.

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You know, how did you like figure out

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like like, did you just kind of like, I'm

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just going to see what happens. Like, I'm

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just going to see like, did you go in as

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this? This is going to be my business.

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This is going to be my

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like full time thing.

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And so I'm going to think about making

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money off of it. Or is this going to just

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be something that I'm going to build my

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profile, you know, figure out what people

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need in the in the, you know, like with

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the public and start

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building that as a profile.

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And then after this pandemic or as it

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starts to sub like subside, then I'll

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just kind of resume back to what I was

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going to do and, you know, follow that

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that dream of doing a PhD or working

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within within the like the research field

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or things like that.

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So, you know, obviously a lot happened in

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the last five years for you as well as as

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as the world. Like when you went into it,

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did you think of like, this is going to

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be my full time thing or I'm just going

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to do this as a way to keep me busy?

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Honestly, the latter, it was just I was

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losing my mind locked in my house. I

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wanted to keep my mind sharp and keep

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that science mind sharp as well. Keep on

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top of, you know, the

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findings and what's happening.

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And I thought I just want to just throw

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it against the wall and see what sticks.

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And it just became something that I found

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I really enjoyed. And, you know, even

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now, it's not something that I mean, I

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would love it to be my full time job that

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I can do day in day out.

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But, you know, I'm not quite at the point

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where I can quit my day job yet. But I

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still do it because I just love doing it.

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And I love the research. I love the

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writing. And I love getting feedback from the people.

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I love getting feedback from the people

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who, you know, I met somebody recently

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who said, you know, my daughter is five

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and she loves sharks and she's so

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inspired to see a woman in the field and

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I was amazing. You know,

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I'm inspiring a young girl.

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So yeah, I think actually, I don't know

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if I will ever go back into like hardcore

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academia because I wouldn't say no. But

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equally, is it where my love is now? You

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know, is it where the passion is now?

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I'll be honest, I followed a very similar

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passion, like it was the same village,

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same path, you know, it's doing the

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podcast and and talking about science and

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conservation with a lot of other people.

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It's how Dave and I met

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and we started this podcast.

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It was it changes. It changes your life.

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And when you realize, like, this is fun,

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I really enjoy doing this and I can help

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a lot of people just like that five year

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old girl. And I'm sure there's probably

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more, more of those stories of all ages

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to be able to say I help people either

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get over their fear sharks or really

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satisfy that curiosity of, you know, the

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different types of sharks.

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And like, I'm on your website right now

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as we as we speak and all these different

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photos and infrared like little tidbits

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of information just even before you even

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click on a on an image. And it's just

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like, oh, this is really cool.

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You know, and and so, yeah, I really love

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love that aspect. But then, you know, you

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have this this website, you have these,

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you know, on the website, there's

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articles, there's fast facts. So you're

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writing a lot about sharks.

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What made you decide to be like, oh,

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yeah, now I'm going to just I'm going to

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just write a book because, you know, I

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can do this stuff. Yeah. Yeah, we all

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have a book of this. This is great.

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You know, this is the funniest story

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because it was the weirdest sort of

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simpatico moment where I thought, you

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know, I've got a lot of content online

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now. Yeah, maybe I can turn into a book.

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I wonder if I could do

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that. And it was so strange.

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And about a week later, literally within

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days, I got this email to my inbox and

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this Dan Abel. And, you know, I've got

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all Dan's books, I know Dan is somebody,

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you know, I was fan girling over this

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email being like, oh my

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goodness, it's Dr. Abel.

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And he's saying, you know, I'm writing

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this book and it's going to be something

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different to anything else that is out

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there. And I think I need a unique, you

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know, new voice on it. Would you be

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interested? And I swear I didn't think it

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was him. I thought it

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was somebody catfishing me.

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And when we I was like, when we go on to

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a zoom, it's going to be like a 50 year

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old woman in Africa, you know, I think

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it's not going to be Dan Abel. And it was

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it was him. And so he found me through my

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site and he enjoyed the tone of my

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writing and sort of the passion and, you

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know, the love, which

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is what Dan has as well.

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So it's about being a scientist about

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this about love. And that was why he

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offered me, you know, co-author on the

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book. And it was crazy because as we

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started writing it, you cannot tell who

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wrote which piece, you know, I read

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chapters and I'm like, this could be your

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Dan, we've got exactly the same.

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Nice. Yeah.

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So it worked out so well. And then all of a sudden you see you keep

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building and building and building, you

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start getting more and more viewers and

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more and more people to come. And then

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all of a sudden people within your

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industry start to like within your field

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01:16:05,916 --> 01:16:07,875
recognize it. And then somebody who

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you've read for a long time comes out out

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of nowhere, you know, and it and and for

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me, that's the same thing that's happened

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to me where some people like I have no

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business knowing this person and they

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contacted me, you know, to come on the

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podcast or what and

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you're just like, holy cow.

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It's like, you know, it's it's amazing.

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It's an amazing feeling, but it's also

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you put yourself out there to and then an

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opportunities came. I think that I think

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a lot of people that I meet that want to

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get into the ring conservation field or

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do something within that field.

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They tend to sit around and not do

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anything about it. Right. It's start a

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website, start a channel, start something

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01:16:47,083 --> 01:16:49,125
to talk about and show your passion.

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Yeah. And you may or may not get rewarded

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for it, but likely some opportunities

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going to come up that you may

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or may not have ever expected.

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Like, did you ever think you were going

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to write a book? I mean, I would in my

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wildest dreams, you're thinking about it,

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I guess. Yeah. Well, it's like, you don't

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think that that's really

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going to happen, you know? Right.

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And for all those years, I mean, because

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it was years of putting in hours and

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graphs and thinking no one's going to see

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it, you know, putting an article up and

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you get 30 views and you're like, it's

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not going anywhere. Yes.

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And I think it's gone in and I doing this

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project, I really realized that I was

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like, you've got to go out there and

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chase it down because it isn't going to

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come to you. Right. You've got to keep

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going, keep going, fail, get up, keep

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going, fail again. And I made mistakes

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along the way where I was like, oh, that

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was bad. That was an embarrassment. I

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01:17:45,291 --> 01:17:48,416
need to take that down and redo that. But

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it's a process. And then eventually at

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the end, you're like, looking back,

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you're like, wow, like I've actually

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achieved something. And, you know, what could have been the word?

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What could have been the worst years of

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my life, but that, you know, with the

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pandemic and everything, I mean, I think

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the reason that it was so important to me

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as well is I think the mental health is,

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you know, locked in the

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01:18:05,583 --> 01:18:06,833
house was not good for me.

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I really need to be productive. I get

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that. So, you know, sharks beat kind of

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01:18:12,458 --> 01:18:15,833
helped me as much as, you know, as much

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01:18:15,833 --> 01:18:17,916
as I enjoyed it, it saved me a little bit

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01:18:17,916 --> 01:18:19,666
as well. Yeah. Yeah.

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01:18:19,708 --> 01:18:22,750
Yeah. So with your with all you know, now

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that you're a famous published author on

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01:18:24,875 --> 01:18:27,458
the shark book, maybe

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01:18:27,458 --> 01:18:28,583
even just said that guy.

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This will be the trailer for

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01:18:34,208 --> 01:18:38,666
the episode. Yeah. Mark that.

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01:18:41,666 --> 01:18:46,125
And just every Princeton University Press

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01:18:46,125 --> 01:18:47,333
is published in the book. That's the same

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as done. My sharks, the world book and my

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01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:53,000
field guide as well. So that's in the

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world. Dave, I love those books so much.

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01:18:55,666 --> 01:18:58,416
Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. So

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Princeton, please, every post this when

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it comes out. Yes. Come

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01:19:02,666 --> 01:19:03,666
on, Princeton. Come on.

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01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,125
Come on. One of my books. Yeah. No, they

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01:19:07,125 --> 01:19:09,166
had. But no, it's a it's a really nice

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book. No, I had to add. I checked it. I

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01:19:11,500 --> 01:19:12,958
was checking out. You had you got an

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01:19:12,958 --> 01:19:14,791
illustrator involved in doing with the we

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01:19:14,791 --> 01:19:17,541
did. Yeah. And it was Princeton found

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01:19:17,541 --> 01:19:19,375
this illustrator. And oh, my goodness.

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01:19:19,375 --> 01:19:21,791
Did he bring this to life? We actually

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01:19:21,791 --> 01:19:23,583
the book was supposed to be out before

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01:19:23,583 --> 01:19:26,041
Christmas last year. And Dan and I were

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01:19:26,041 --> 01:19:27,958
quite disappointed because they said, oh,

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01:19:28,125 --> 01:19:29,250
we're going to have to delay it because

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01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:32,541
the artist isn't ready. But now I'm like,

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01:19:32,541 --> 01:19:32,666
I'm so glad we delayed it.

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Because what a job he's done is

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01:19:35,666 --> 01:19:38,500
beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's very

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01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:41,291
nice. It's a very nice book. It's really

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01:19:41,291 --> 01:19:43,708
nice. It covers a lot of a lot of ground

537
01:19:43,708 --> 01:19:47,250
in the book as well. And it's totally,

538
01:19:47,250 --> 01:19:49,000
totally cool. And it is out now, right?

539
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,375
It came out. It's out now.

540
01:20:07,875 --> 01:20:11,125
It's a book that I wanted to write

541
01:20:11,125 --> 01:20:13,875
something that I wished I'd had when I

542
01:20:13,875 --> 01:20:16,458
first realized I was in sharks. Yeah,

543
01:20:16,458 --> 01:20:18,416
because, you know, we wanted to.

544
01:20:19,666 --> 01:20:20,250
I think that we have to target this

545
01:20:20,250 --> 01:20:23,000
intelligent members of the public, which

546
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,833
is a huge amount of the public. I think

547
01:20:25,833 --> 01:20:28,625
some shark books are a bit patronizing

548
01:20:28,625 --> 01:20:32,250
and there's there's a lot for kids. And

549
01:20:32,250 --> 01:20:34,666
then there's books for scientists. And I

550
01:20:34,666 --> 01:20:36,041
wanted something in the middle that like

551
01:20:36,041 --> 01:20:39,041
the intelligent young adults and curious

552
01:20:39,041 --> 01:20:40,791
adults who want to learn about this

553
01:20:40,791 --> 01:20:43,291
without it being too heavy and still

554
01:20:43,291 --> 01:20:46,125
being fun and light and interesting. But

555
01:20:46,125 --> 01:20:48,250
got a lot of the science in there in a

556
01:20:48,250 --> 01:20:48,666
way that people can understand it.

557
01:20:48,708 --> 01:20:51,708
Because if we're if people can't

558
01:20:51,708 --> 01:20:53,250
understand it, then scientists are

559
01:20:53,250 --> 01:20:54,166
failing because we should be

560
01:20:54,166 --> 01:20:57,125
communicating it better. So we wanted to

561
01:20:57,125 --> 01:20:58,583
write something with that kind of tone

562
01:20:58,583 --> 01:21:00,291
that's fun and funny. And there's a lot

563
01:21:00,291 --> 01:21:01,833
of little puns in there. We had a great

564
01:21:01,833 --> 01:21:04,125
time writing the chapter headings. As you

565
01:21:04,125 --> 01:21:06,666
can tell, we've got my partner will be

566
01:21:06,666 --> 01:21:08,875
very proud because Jurassic shark made it

567
01:21:08,875 --> 01:21:11,875
in there, which was his idea. Yeah, so

568
01:21:11,875 --> 01:21:13,166
you know, we got some great little puns

569
01:21:13,166 --> 01:21:14,750
in there with which me and Dan really,

570
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:16,083
really enjoyed. That's where we got to

571
01:21:16,083 --> 01:21:16,500
have a bit of

572
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:17,666
personality with it as well. Yeah.

573
01:21:17,666 --> 01:21:20,666
Yeah, that's a lot of fun. It's nice.

574
01:21:20,666 --> 01:21:23,250
Nice. You able to do that stuff. Yeah. So

575
01:21:23,250 --> 01:21:26,625
yeah. So you you've been out on the on a

576
01:21:26,625 --> 01:21:29,833
book tour now doing some talks and yeah,

577
01:21:29,833 --> 01:21:32,458
promote it. Yeah, absolutely. But I'm I'm

578
01:21:32,458 --> 01:21:34,458
open to more. So if anybody wants to get

579
01:21:34,458 --> 01:21:36,666
in touch, I'm doing some sort of like

580
01:21:36,666 --> 01:21:39,250
some sort of nights out with the public

581
01:21:39,250 --> 01:21:41,083
in book shops and things. But I'm also

582
01:21:41,083 --> 01:21:42,958
starting to go into some primary schools

583
01:21:42,958 --> 01:21:44,416
and some secondary schools and into

584
01:21:44,416 --> 01:21:46,458
universities as well to sort of talk to

585
01:21:46,458 --> 01:21:46,666
kids about this stuff.

586
01:21:46,708 --> 01:21:51,000
Which I'm really excited about. Yeah, so

587
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:52,666
it's really cool to actually like, you

588
01:21:52,666 --> 01:21:54,333
know, I've been doing this online for so

589
01:21:54,333 --> 01:21:56,250
long. I think it's kind of it's kind of

590
01:21:56,250 --> 01:21:57,458
surprising for people to be like, Oh,

591
01:21:57,458 --> 01:21:58,875
you're actually a real person. I can

592
01:21:58,875 --> 01:22:03,000
actually. Please do come and talk to me.

593
01:22:03,708 --> 01:22:09,916
You do exist. Yeah. So now that you've

594
01:22:09,916 --> 01:22:12,041
actually written a book now, do you think

595
01:22:12,041 --> 01:22:12,666
you write another one?

596
01:22:13,666 --> 01:22:16,500
I have started a second one. I actually

597
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:18,291
started before the first one even came

598
01:22:18,291 --> 01:22:20,500
out. Yeah. And I'm sort of looking to

599
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:23,500
shop that around soon. I haven't finished

600
01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:25,333
it about halfway through. But yeah, I am

601
01:22:25,333 --> 01:22:27,666
writing a second one. Okay. Okay. Is this

602
01:22:27,666 --> 01:22:29,875
what is the same thing that is geared

603
01:22:29,875 --> 01:22:30,750
towards younger people

604
01:22:30,750 --> 01:22:31,666
or just out anyone there?

605
01:22:32,666 --> 01:22:34,166
It's going to be geared sort of towards

606
01:22:34,166 --> 01:22:37,250
adults. And it is I really want to write

607
01:22:37,250 --> 01:22:39,958
about what it feels like to be a shark

608
01:22:39,958 --> 01:22:42,250
and the experiences that sharks have in

609
01:22:42,250 --> 01:22:45,416
their world and how they feel and see and

610
01:22:45,416 --> 01:22:49,000
what their brains are like. And do they

611
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,375
have a way to communicate? And I want

612
01:22:52,375 --> 01:22:55,375
people to realize we're so past this old

613
01:22:55,375 --> 01:22:57,208
outdated idea that sharks

614
01:22:57,208 --> 01:22:58,666
are stupid, cold, mindless.

615
01:22:58,666 --> 01:23:02,458
Yeah. Yeah. It's time for people to know

616
01:23:02,458 --> 01:23:04,416
the truth. Well, you know, well, this

617
01:23:04,416 --> 01:23:06,708
June, you'll be 50 years from since Josh

618
01:23:06,708 --> 01:23:11,583
came out. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I should say

619
01:23:11,583 --> 01:23:13,166
I'm embarrassed, but I was I actually saw

620
01:23:13,166 --> 01:23:15,666
the movie when it came out 50 years ago.

621
01:23:15,666 --> 01:23:21,166
So I'll leave it at that. But it was kind

622
01:23:21,166 --> 01:23:22,541
of like I've been

623
01:23:22,541 --> 01:23:22,666
around a long time, Dave.

624
01:23:23,666 --> 01:23:27,875
But like I say, well, at least at least

625
01:23:27,875 --> 01:23:29,583
your co-author in this book, Dan, he was

626
01:23:29,583 --> 01:23:32,916
around too. So Dan's a little older than

627
01:23:32,916 --> 01:23:37,041
me. So so I feel young. So I feel young

628
01:23:37,041 --> 01:23:42,083
with that company there. And so yeah, it

629
01:23:42,083 --> 01:23:43,375
should be a good opportunity to like

630
01:23:43,375 --> 01:23:45,541
promote some of this with the jaws coming

631
01:23:45,541 --> 01:23:45,666
out and see where things have gone.

632
01:23:46,666 --> 01:23:51,125
What a change. I mean, 50 years. But what

633
01:23:51,125 --> 01:23:53,500
a change, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I

634
01:23:53,500 --> 01:23:55,791
mean, I like say, yeah, it's funny to me

635
01:23:55,791 --> 01:23:57,291
because like you guys weren't even born

636
01:23:57,291 --> 01:24:00,375
when the when the movie came out. And

637
01:24:00,375 --> 01:24:02,083
when did it come out? Seventy seven.

638
01:24:02,416 --> 01:24:04,916
Seventy five. Oh, yeah. My brother was

639
01:24:04,916 --> 01:24:06,625
born. I was three years later. Yeah.

640
01:24:06,958 --> 01:24:09,375
Yeah. Close. Yeah. You're you're a close.

641
01:24:09,375 --> 01:24:09,666
Sophie was like, wasn't even in the planning. I was non-existent.

642
01:24:09,708 --> 01:24:16,416
You weren't even your parents like plans

643
01:24:16,416 --> 01:24:18,125
at all. Yeah, I'm sure your parents were

644
01:24:18,125 --> 01:24:20,000
even married at that time. Probably not.

645
01:24:20,500 --> 01:24:23,333
Yeah. In fact, I'm pretty sure my dad

646
01:24:23,333 --> 01:24:25,375
took a date to the film Jaws and she

647
01:24:25,375 --> 01:24:27,291
asked him how they trained the shark to

648
01:24:27,291 --> 01:24:29,541
do that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I'm fairly

649
01:24:29,541 --> 01:24:31,375
certain that he's told me that story

650
01:24:31,375 --> 01:24:34,000
before. So there you go. Interesting.

651
01:24:34,166 --> 01:24:35,541
Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

652
01:24:35,875 --> 01:24:37,666
Yeah. I just I just wanted a bunch of my hooligan thug teenage friends to come in and talk to me about the story.

653
01:24:39,666 --> 01:24:42,041
I just wanted a bunch of his cousins because I was at that age where our mom

654
01:24:42,041 --> 01:24:44,000
our moms dropped to soft to watch movies.

655
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,791
So yeah. So a horror film. Yeah, well, I

656
01:24:47,791 --> 01:24:50,458
grew up in Monterrey. So it was like, you

657
01:24:50,458 --> 01:24:52,333
know, I was diving and surfing and stuff

658
01:24:52,333 --> 01:24:54,375
at that point. So like shark, you just

659
01:24:54,375 --> 01:24:55,458
knew sharks were around to be an

660
01:24:55,458 --> 01:24:56,458
occasional sharky Sierra texts. You

661
01:24:56,458 --> 01:24:58,333
didn't think. But people that came in

662
01:24:58,333 --> 01:24:59,791
from like out of the area, it was a

663
01:24:59,791 --> 01:25:01,458
bigger deal. If they saw a shark or

664
01:25:01,458 --> 01:25:03,250
something. It was more the sensational

665
01:25:03,250 --> 01:25:05,250
stuff you read about or hear about. Yeah, that would be highlighted, there was highlighted there. But if you grew up in Monterrey. If that saved, I mean, usually someone inochemistry was, they could

666
01:25:05,250 --> 01:25:06,750
don't explain. Yeah, I mean, an afternoon where you don't take off a fire in an individualASED video in Lab tan next to the you're here about, yeah,

667
01:25:06,958 --> 01:25:08,125
that would be highlighted there.

668
01:25:08,333 --> 01:25:09,791
It was highlighted there, but if you grew

669
01:25:09,791 --> 01:25:10,625
up around the ocean,

670
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:12,500
you just, you know,

671
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:13,666
sharks are around, you know,

672
01:25:13,666 --> 01:25:15,166
sometimes things happen.

673
01:25:15,166 --> 01:25:15,958
It's that mystery of

674
01:25:15,958 --> 01:25:17,333
something you don't know, right?

675
01:25:17,333 --> 01:25:20,208
It's an alien thing, so it creates,

676
01:25:20,458 --> 01:25:22,416
it gets bigger in your mind

677
01:25:22,416 --> 01:25:24,208
when it's so distant, right?

678
01:25:24,666 --> 01:25:25,500
Well, yeah, the thing at

679
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:26,625
the time too is like you,

680
01:25:26,875 --> 01:25:29,291
there was no, you couldn't even like,

681
01:25:30,666 --> 01:25:31,916
especially when you're a young person,

682
01:25:32,166 --> 01:25:33,750
and we knew nothing about sharks,

683
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:35,000
to say you didn't know anything about it

684
01:25:35,041 --> 01:25:36,375
would be an understatement at the time.

685
01:25:36,875 --> 01:25:37,666
You knew nothing about

686
01:25:37,666 --> 01:25:39,000
them, so you'd think like,

687
01:25:39,583 --> 01:25:41,000
even things like I always tell the story,

688
01:25:41,375 --> 01:25:42,000
like, you know, the big,

689
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,125
one of the climactic scenes

690
01:25:43,125 --> 01:25:44,000
of the shark jumping on

691
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,000
the boat and eating Quint,

692
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:46,625
you know, back then

693
01:25:46,625 --> 01:25:48,375
people thought it was crazy,

694
01:25:48,375 --> 01:25:49,333
oh, sharks can't jump.

695
01:25:49,916 --> 01:25:51,958
And there was, you

696
01:25:51,958 --> 01:25:53,875
know, so, so it was, yeah,

697
01:25:53,875 --> 01:25:55,000
I mean, you literally

698
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,541
thought like, you know, I mean,

699
01:25:56,541 --> 01:25:57,625
I knew a lot of the big imp,

700
01:25:58,041 --> 01:25:59,583
you know, prominent people,

701
01:25:59,583 --> 01:26:00,666
like, well, I didn't know him at the time

702
01:26:00,666 --> 01:26:01,291
I was in high school,

703
01:26:01,416 --> 01:26:02,708
but you know, years later,

704
01:26:02,791 --> 01:26:03,416
I got to know Leonard

705
01:26:03,416 --> 01:26:05,375
Campagno and Don Nelson and, uh,

706
01:26:06,250 --> 01:26:07,541
Sonny Gruber and all those guys.

707
01:26:08,958 --> 01:26:09,875
No one really thought

708
01:26:09,875 --> 01:26:11,250
sharks could jump at all.

709
01:26:11,458 --> 01:26:11,625
No.

710
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:12,416
And, uh,

711
01:26:12,416 --> 01:26:12,875
Only fur seals.

712
01:26:13,416 --> 01:26:14,208
Only fur seals.

713
01:26:14,333 --> 01:26:15,041
Yeah, only fur seals.

714
01:26:15,291 --> 01:26:17,333
And yeah, and I, I know I've told the

715
01:26:17,333 --> 01:26:18,291
story many times in the episode,

716
01:26:18,291 --> 01:26:19,791
but I remember seeing the first time I

717
01:26:19,791 --> 01:26:20,791
saw it in South Africa,

718
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:22,541
the local people in

719
01:26:22,541 --> 01:26:23,875
South Africa knew about it,

720
01:26:23,875 --> 01:26:25,250
but nobody in the outside world did

721
01:26:25,250 --> 01:26:26,041
because nobody had filmed.

722
01:26:26,375 --> 01:26:27,500
This is before Chris Fallows.

723
01:26:28,375 --> 01:26:30,791
And, um, I remember telling people like

724
01:26:30,791 --> 01:26:32,666
the people I mentioned and Macott,

725
01:26:32,708 --> 01:26:33,625
I thought it was nuts or

726
01:26:33,625 --> 01:26:35,000
drunk or stoned or something.

727
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:37,000
And then, and then if, then

728
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:38,458
after I left South Africa,

729
01:26:38,458 --> 01:26:41,291
Chris Fallows filmed it and suddenly

730
01:26:41,291 --> 01:26:42,166
everybody's going, Hey, Dave,

731
01:26:42,166 --> 01:26:43,416
you know, these white sharks breach.

732
01:26:43,416 --> 01:26:44,416
And I'm like, yeah, I kind of told you

733
01:26:44,416 --> 01:26:46,416
that like, you know, five years ago.

734
01:26:46,458 --> 01:26:47,708
But why are we not listening to the,

735
01:26:48,875 --> 01:26:49,958
You just didn't do it in a nice

736
01:26:49,958 --> 01:26:51,291
photograph, like, uh,

737
01:26:51,291 --> 01:26:52,375
like Chris Fallows or,

738
01:26:52,833 --> 01:26:55,375
or, uh, you know, a shark week, uh,

739
01:26:56,166 --> 01:26:58,166
Jeff courage. Yeah, Jeff courage stuff.

740
01:26:58,500 --> 01:26:59,041
But that, yeah.

741
01:26:59,166 --> 01:27:00,500
So, but anyway, but I

742
01:27:00,500 --> 01:27:01,625
think I just said that,

743
01:27:02,041 --> 01:27:03,208
and it's really a little reminiscent, but

744
01:27:03,208 --> 01:27:05,000
it's like just how far we've come in the

745
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:06,583
50 years now you've got these fabulous

746
01:27:06,583 --> 01:27:08,791
books like, like you're doing now.

747
01:27:08,791 --> 01:27:10,291
And you know, there's a lot of certainly

748
01:27:10,291 --> 01:27:11,166
see a lot of, a lot

749
01:27:11,166 --> 01:27:12,208
of women in the field.

750
01:27:12,208 --> 01:27:14,458
And it's just been a, the field, the

751
01:27:14,458 --> 01:27:17,375
fields just come so far from, from that,

752
01:27:17,375 --> 01:27:18,916
from that time. And it's, it's going to

753
01:27:18,916 --> 01:27:20,375
be an interesting thing with, uh,

754
01:27:20,791 --> 01:27:23,500
with the jaws 50 years coming up and, uh,

755
01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:24,250
and all these nice,

756
01:27:24,250 --> 01:27:26,000
wonderful books out now,

757
01:27:27,208 --> 01:27:28,625
for sure. It'll be really neat to see.

758
01:27:29,291 --> 01:27:30,541
Um, so you can be doing,

759
01:27:30,541 --> 01:27:32,000
so you can be doing any more, any, any

760
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,500
more promotional things coming up.

761
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:34,583
You're going to be doing with the book.

762
01:27:34,583 --> 01:27:35,958
I've got a couple of lectures coming up.

763
01:27:35,958 --> 01:27:37,458
I'm really excited about, um,

764
01:27:37,458 --> 01:27:39,791
one of them actually at my, the

765
01:27:39,791 --> 01:27:40,875
university that I did my

766
01:27:40,875 --> 01:27:41,916
undergraduate degree on.

767
01:27:41,916 --> 01:27:44,416
So I get to come back and like, you know,

768
01:27:44,416 --> 01:27:46,500
a rock star alumnus and sort of,

769
01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:48,125
yeah, the halls again. And I think that's

770
01:27:48,125 --> 01:27:50,458
going to be quite surreal, but amazing.

771
01:27:50,625 --> 01:27:52,291
Cause I haven't been back there since I

772
01:27:52,291 --> 01:27:54,375
graduated, you know, 300 years ago.

773
01:27:54,625 --> 01:27:56,708
So it's going to be really, really cool

774
01:27:56,708 --> 01:27:58,833
to go back. Um, yeah,

775
01:27:58,833 --> 01:27:59,833
really excited for that.

776
01:28:00,416 --> 01:28:02,083
So when it's in the talks, like what are

777
01:28:02,083 --> 01:28:03,250
you going to be talking

778
01:28:03,250 --> 01:28:04,000
about? Obviously you're going

779
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,416
to be pulling stuff from the book and,

780
01:28:05,416 --> 01:28:07,000
and, and just stuff from your vast

781
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,458
library of, of material.

782
01:28:08,458 --> 01:28:12,208
But how do you present, you know, sharks

783
01:28:12,208 --> 01:28:15,125
to, to this, the, these

784
01:28:15,125 --> 01:28:16,208
classes or the people,

785
01:28:16,208 --> 01:28:18,291
these students who are attending? So it

786
01:28:18,291 --> 01:28:19,958
really depends on who I'm talking to.

787
01:28:19,958 --> 01:28:22,250
When I'm at a university, a lot of the

788
01:28:22,250 --> 01:28:23,833
people that are attending are, you know,

789
01:28:23,833 --> 01:28:26,333
sort of in science field, you know, so

790
01:28:26,333 --> 01:28:27,208
these are people that are

791
01:28:27,208 --> 01:28:29,791
quite open to quite advanced

792
01:28:29,791 --> 01:28:31,833
lectures, which is great. So I go into a

793
01:28:31,833 --> 01:28:32,625
little bit of the sort of

794
01:28:32,625 --> 01:28:33,833
taxonomy and all the different

795
01:28:33,833 --> 01:28:36,416
groups and how we tell them apart and

796
01:28:36,416 --> 01:28:38,250
reproductive strategies is one of my

797
01:28:38,250 --> 01:28:39,708
favorite things to talk

798
01:28:39,708 --> 01:28:41,291
about. I love it so much. And people

799
01:28:41,291 --> 01:28:42,833
always get mind blown by

800
01:28:42,833 --> 01:28:45,500
that. Um, but when I'm going sort

801
01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:47,375
of more towards the public, I love to do

802
01:28:47,375 --> 01:28:49,625
like fun shark quizzes where

803
01:28:49,625 --> 01:28:51,416
I put up sort of facts that

804
01:28:51,458 --> 01:28:53,875
people think they know about sharks and,

805
01:28:53,875 --> 01:28:54,666
you know, and then I'm

806
01:28:54,666 --> 01:28:56,125
like, Nope, you're wrong. That's

807
01:28:56,291 --> 01:28:59,416
false, you know, and pull out great

808
01:28:59,416 --> 01:29:00,958
statistics about shark attacks that

809
01:29:00,958 --> 01:29:02,125
always surprise people,

810
01:29:02,125 --> 01:29:04,250
you know, like you're for every one

811
01:29:04,250 --> 01:29:05,875
person bitten by a shark, just five

812
01:29:05,875 --> 01:29:07,416
people bitten by New Yorkers

813
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:13,250
is one that goes really well. So I always

814
01:29:13,250 --> 01:29:14,916
kind of, I sort of try to

815
01:29:14,916 --> 01:29:17,666
keep it quite light. I think that

816
01:29:17,833 --> 01:29:20,958
fun is the way to learn. The more fun it

817
01:29:20,958 --> 01:29:22,791
is, the more people are laughing, they

818
01:29:22,791 --> 01:29:24,208
are remembering things, you know,

819
01:29:24,208 --> 01:29:26,291
when they're having a pint later on with

820
01:29:26,291 --> 01:29:27,541
a friend, they're going, Oh,

821
01:29:27,541 --> 01:29:29,291
I heard this crazy fact about

822
01:29:29,291 --> 01:29:30,541
sharks. And then they share it with

823
01:29:30,541 --> 01:29:32,791
somebody else, you know, and yeah, joy

824
01:29:32,791 --> 01:29:34,458
spreads that way. So I

825
01:29:34,458 --> 01:29:36,833
always try to make it quite fun. I don't

826
01:29:36,833 --> 01:29:38,291
want those dusty lecturers

827
01:29:38,291 --> 01:29:40,083
that you know, that sleep in the

828
01:29:40,083 --> 01:29:43,375
back row. Yeah, no stories. You're not

829
01:29:43,375 --> 01:29:44,416
just telling facts. You're

830
01:29:44,416 --> 01:29:46,250
not just going to be a textbook.

831
01:29:46,416 --> 01:29:47,500
You're doing what you're doing in the

832
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:49,041
book and trying to lighten

833
01:29:49,041 --> 01:29:50,375
it up, you know, bring emotion

834
01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:52,291
into it, you know, get people to really

835
01:29:52,291 --> 01:29:53,458
understand where these where

836
01:29:53,458 --> 01:29:54,458
these sharks are coming from.

837
01:29:54,666 --> 01:29:56,000
Yeah. Like so you want to inspire people.

838
01:29:56,583 --> 01:29:58,791
Yeah. Yeah. To to to to, you know, I

839
01:29:58,791 --> 01:29:59,875
mean, most, you know,

840
01:29:59,875 --> 01:30:01,541
I think I think I think it's always good

841
01:30:01,541 --> 01:30:03,166
to like, if you can inspire people, most

842
01:30:03,166 --> 01:30:03,708
people are not going

843
01:30:03,708 --> 01:30:05,125
to do sharks. It's just it's just not not

844
01:30:05,125 --> 01:30:07,333
it's not that big a field. Everybody

845
01:30:07,333 --> 01:30:08,291
grows out of that. And

846
01:30:08,291 --> 01:30:09,750
for the most part, but you want to, but

847
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:11,416
if you can inspire people that for

848
01:30:11,416 --> 01:30:12,291
whatever they pursue,

849
01:30:12,291 --> 01:30:14,333
I think is an important thing to just

850
01:30:14,333 --> 01:30:15,333
they'll go out for whatever

851
01:30:15,333 --> 01:30:16,041
they do want to do. They'll just

852
01:30:16,083 --> 01:30:18,166
get inspired about it. I think that's

853
01:30:18,166 --> 01:30:19,583
that's kind of like, I think an important

854
01:30:19,583 --> 01:30:21,083
message to bring. Yeah.

855
01:30:21,500 --> 01:30:23,666
As a as a woman, that's really important

856
01:30:23,666 --> 01:30:24,875
for me as well, you know,

857
01:30:25,166 --> 01:30:28,000
because every time I meet young

858
01:30:28,166 --> 01:30:30,666
women who are studying or training or

859
01:30:30,666 --> 01:30:31,625
just interested people

860
01:30:31,625 --> 01:30:33,208
that are just curious, it's

861
01:30:33,208 --> 01:30:35,125
always lovely to hear, you know, it's so

862
01:30:35,125 --> 01:30:37,125
great that we see a woman doing this.

863
01:30:37,125 --> 01:30:38,541
And, you know, maybe my

864
01:30:38,541 --> 01:30:39,958
daughter could do this. And I'm like,

865
01:30:39,958 --> 01:30:41,875
your daughter can do this. A hundred

866
01:30:41,875 --> 01:30:42,958
percent. Like, come on.

867
01:30:42,958 --> 01:30:46,416
And I didn't realize, you know, I had a

868
01:30:46,416 --> 01:30:47,791
student in the Bahamas in

869
01:30:47,791 --> 01:30:49,000
the summer sort of say to me,

870
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,041
you know, she gave me a hug and said, Oh,

871
01:30:51,041 --> 01:30:51,541
my God, you're my

872
01:30:51,541 --> 01:30:55,916
inspiration. And I was like, wow. Yeah,

873
01:30:56,041 --> 01:30:59,166
that's incredible. Like, yeah, go on

874
01:30:59,166 --> 01:31:00,750
rockstar and go do your

875
01:31:00,750 --> 01:31:02,291
thing and be amazing. It's

876
01:31:02,541 --> 01:31:04,291
yes, an amazing thing to

877
01:31:04,291 --> 01:31:05,916
inspire people. That's a

878
01:31:06,791 --> 01:31:08,625
you're inspiring people like through like

879
01:31:08,625 --> 01:31:09,625
a different way of you

880
01:31:09,625 --> 01:31:10,541
and Dan are writing this

881
01:31:10,541 --> 01:31:12,458
book in a very different way. And I love

882
01:31:12,458 --> 01:31:14,416
the headings. I'm just looking over. So

883
01:31:14,416 --> 01:31:16,875
much fun with that. I fought for those.

884
01:31:17,416 --> 01:31:19,583
They kept trying to take them out. And

885
01:31:19,583 --> 01:31:21,333
they sent the draft back and I would just

886
01:31:21,333 --> 01:31:24,041
politely delete them and put them back in

887
01:31:25,583 --> 01:31:27,208
without saying anything. Just like this

888
01:31:27,208 --> 01:31:30,000
back. This is just a little passive, you

889
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,500
know, eventually somebody

890
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:32,875
will miss this and it'll just

891
01:31:32,958 --> 01:31:35,291
definitely. Well, the one that really

892
01:31:35,291 --> 01:31:37,291
stands out to me is like, you know,

893
01:31:37,291 --> 01:31:39,500
sharks that break the rules. Oh, yeah,

894
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:41,500
that heading. So what what

895
01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:42,375
do you what is meant? Like,

896
01:31:42,375 --> 01:31:44,541
what can people expect from that? From

897
01:31:44,541 --> 01:31:46,000
that section? That was my absolute

898
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,041
favorite section to write. And I

899
01:31:48,041 --> 01:31:49,875
loved it so much because Dan sort of said

900
01:31:49,875 --> 01:31:50,708
to me, he was like, Sophie,

901
01:31:51,125 --> 01:31:53,625
this is your forte. I'm going

902
01:31:53,625 --> 01:31:56,000
to step back, just go to town on it and

903
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,208
just have fun. And I just, you know,

904
01:31:58,416 --> 01:31:59,250
wrapped my brains for

905
01:31:59,291 --> 01:32:01,958
it was all of the things that I had

906
01:32:01,958 --> 01:32:04,416
learned about sharks that blew my mind,

907
01:32:04,750 --> 01:32:07,541
you know, like, wait, sharks can glow.

908
01:32:07,541 --> 01:32:08,833
Some sharks glow in the dark.

909
01:32:09,208 --> 01:32:11,541
What? Right. That can't be true. You

910
01:32:11,541 --> 01:32:13,708
know, some sharks can throw their jaw out

911
01:32:13,708 --> 01:32:15,708
their mouth. That can't be true. Sharks

912
01:32:15,708 --> 01:32:17,250
use their tail as a whip.

913
01:32:17,250 --> 01:32:19,333
You know, all these things that are just

914
01:32:19,333 --> 01:32:22,750
mind blowing. And I use the term James

915
01:32:22,750 --> 01:32:25,333
Bond shark to refer to that stereotype.

916
01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:28,541
You know, it's the gray reef shark

917
01:32:28,541 --> 01:32:30,958
looking shark. That's not what sharks

918
01:32:30,958 --> 01:32:33,000
are. And so with that chapter, we really

919
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:33,833
wanted to show people

920
01:32:33,833 --> 01:32:36,333
sharks are not this one thing.

921
01:32:36,333 --> 01:32:38,833
It's not shark. You know, there's

922
01:32:38,833 --> 01:32:40,583
hundreds and they're all different and

923
01:32:40,583 --> 01:32:44,291
they're all crazy. You know, do you talk?

924
01:32:44,291 --> 01:32:45,708
I haven't gone through the entire book

925
01:32:45,708 --> 01:32:46,708
yet, but you get into raise

926
01:32:46,708 --> 01:32:48,291
raise or go sharks much at all.

927
01:32:48,708 --> 01:32:51,083
We haven't. No. So we kept it sort of

928
01:32:51,083 --> 01:32:53,666
just to shark. We briefly touch upon sort

929
01:32:53,666 --> 01:32:55,541
of saw fishes and things and very

930
01:32:55,541 --> 01:32:58,708
briefly. But no, it's I feel like we'd

931
01:32:58,708 --> 01:32:59,875
need a whole other book for that.

932
01:33:00,208 --> 01:33:01,416
Princeton. Well, that's what it sounds

933
01:33:01,416 --> 01:33:02,916
like. I think it just kind of came up

934
01:33:02,916 --> 01:33:05,291
with that idea. I mean, you have to get

935
01:33:05,291 --> 01:33:07,541
on it and maybe bring Dave in to talk

936
01:33:07,541 --> 01:33:09,250
about sharks in the deep sea.

937
01:33:09,291 --> 01:33:12,416
Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Well, my next

938
01:33:12,416 --> 01:33:13,500
book is going to be on the ghost sharks

939
01:33:13,500 --> 01:33:14,916
of the world. So

940
01:33:14,916 --> 01:33:17,708
Princeton's publishing that one.

941
01:33:18,166 --> 01:33:20,500
Awesome. So we'll get that one out there.

942
01:33:20,500 --> 01:33:22,166
Yeah. Well, as we talk, you'll probably

943
01:33:22,166 --> 01:33:23,666
find this out if you haven't already. But

944
01:33:23,666 --> 01:33:25,500
if you we talk about the rays and the and

945
01:33:25,500 --> 01:33:27,875
the chimeras, if you call them flat

946
01:33:27,875 --> 01:33:30,000
sharks or ghost sharks, you'll get a

947
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:30,500
whole different

948
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:31,500
reaction from the audience.

949
01:33:31,666 --> 01:33:34,500
And you will, if you say raise or yeah,

950
01:33:34,500 --> 01:33:37,291
it's or it's or chimeras, you know, manna

951
01:33:37,291 --> 01:33:38,916
rays in soft fish, you get a

952
01:33:38,916 --> 01:33:40,000
little bit of the reaction.

953
01:33:40,250 --> 01:33:42,333
But yeah, but even even the soft fish,

954
01:33:42,333 --> 01:33:43,625
you don't get as much of a reaction

955
01:33:43,625 --> 01:33:45,875
unless you start talking about shark rays

956
01:33:45,875 --> 01:33:47,833
or if you somehow work shark into the

957
01:33:47,833 --> 01:33:49,125
name, you get a much

958
01:33:49,125 --> 01:33:50,208
better reaction than.

959
01:33:50,625 --> 01:33:52,916
Yeah. And just crazy how powerful that

960
01:33:52,916 --> 01:33:54,541
language is, isn't it? It's just this

961
01:33:54,541 --> 01:33:56,791
subtle language can change the way you

962
01:33:56,791 --> 01:33:57,583
think about the animal

963
01:33:57,583 --> 01:33:59,875
completely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

964
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,125
Yeah. I stumbled onto that 15 years ago.

965
01:34:03,125 --> 01:34:05,208
I really saw the power of like, wow, if

966
01:34:05,208 --> 01:34:08,125
you use the right terminology, you'll

967
01:34:08,125 --> 01:34:10,416
just get amazing, amazing

968
01:34:10,416 --> 01:34:12,416
response from this stuff.

969
01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:15,750
So one of the things I want to ask, too,

970
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:18,583
as we as we kind of wrap up, Sophie, is

971
01:34:18,583 --> 01:34:21,000
you've written a lot about

972
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,833
sharks online and posted online.

973
01:34:24,583 --> 01:34:27,041
What's the shark that surprised you most

974
01:34:27,041 --> 01:34:28,750
that people were really paying attention

975
01:34:28,750 --> 01:34:30,458
to, like, you know, that may not have

976
01:34:30,458 --> 01:34:31,625
been in the regular conversation?

977
01:34:31,958 --> 01:34:33,458
Is there is there a particular species

978
01:34:33,458 --> 01:34:35,083
that have come out being like you've

979
01:34:35,083 --> 01:34:36,083
written about you're like, I don't think

980
01:34:36,083 --> 01:34:37,416
this is really going to hit well.

981
01:34:37,416 --> 01:34:38,500
And then all of a sudden people are

982
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:40,291
generating a lot of interest about. Oh,

983
01:34:40,875 --> 01:34:42,583
that's a really good question.

984
01:34:42,583 --> 01:34:44,750
The one that springs to mind that is one

985
01:34:44,750 --> 01:34:47,125
that I didn't realize was as famous as it

986
01:34:47,125 --> 01:34:48,333
is is the Goblin Shark.

987
01:34:49,083 --> 01:34:51,333
You know, I love. Yeah. I have no idea

988
01:34:51,333 --> 01:34:52,958
that it was such a fan favorite.

989
01:34:53,833 --> 01:34:57,000
But it really is. But you put something

990
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,541
out about a Goblin Shark and people love

991
01:34:59,541 --> 01:35:01,166
it. I think there's a lot more interest

992
01:35:01,166 --> 01:35:03,958
in this mysterious deep sea.

993
01:35:04,666 --> 01:35:06,708
What is down there? Sort of crazy

994
01:35:06,708 --> 01:35:10,166
monsters idea than we knew about before.

995
01:35:10,416 --> 01:35:11,625
And as the technology is getting better,

996
01:35:11,625 --> 01:35:12,708
we're learning more and more.

997
01:35:12,958 --> 01:35:14,250
And those characters, you know, in the

998
01:35:14,250 --> 01:35:15,583
deep sea are starting to become a bit

999
01:35:15,583 --> 01:35:18,083
more, more iconic, really.

1000
01:35:18,958 --> 01:35:21,208
Even just the name Goblin Shark generates

1001
01:35:21,208 --> 01:35:22,791
interest. Right. So good.

1002
01:35:23,458 --> 01:35:25,916
Well, the thing is, if if you see them in

1003
01:35:25,916 --> 01:35:28,666
the wild, which I have there and I tell

1004
01:35:28,666 --> 01:35:30,083
us the audience is they're they're

1005
01:35:30,083 --> 01:35:31,458
literally they're pink with bluish fins

1006
01:35:31,458 --> 01:35:34,541
and like whoever thinks of a pink shark.

1007
01:35:35,125 --> 01:35:37,625
No, exactly. That is so cool.

1008
01:35:38,375 --> 01:35:39,416
That's what that's one of the things I

1009
01:35:39,416 --> 01:35:42,208
talk I talk about people like they think

1010
01:35:42,208 --> 01:35:42,875
sharks are kind of

1011
01:35:42,875 --> 01:35:44,583
gray or brown or black.

1012
01:35:44,833 --> 01:35:47,958
But whoever thinks of a pink shark and no

1013
01:35:47,958 --> 01:35:49,125
street everything. Yeah.

1014
01:35:49,166 --> 01:35:50,208
Well, the thing is, once you preserve

1015
01:35:50,208 --> 01:35:52,291
them, once you preserve them and after

1016
01:35:52,291 --> 01:35:54,833
they're dead, they turn brownish. Right.

1017
01:35:54,833 --> 01:35:56,375
And so people didn't realize if you see

1018
01:35:56,375 --> 01:35:57,916
one alive in the wild,

1019
01:35:57,916 --> 01:35:59,583
they'll be pinkish to a whitish.

1020
01:35:59,583 --> 01:36:01,416
But we see one with like this can be a

1021
01:36:01,416 --> 01:36:03,166
more of the pinkish side with the kind of

1022
01:36:03,166 --> 01:36:05,458
a tinge of bluish fins. Wow.

1023
01:36:05,666 --> 01:36:06,958
It's it's like nobody

1024
01:36:06,958 --> 01:36:08,500
thinks about that for a shark.

1025
01:36:09,625 --> 01:36:11,333
I guess I didn't know that. So I'm now

1026
01:36:11,333 --> 01:36:13,166
going to my computer and I'm going to do

1027
01:36:13,166 --> 01:36:13,875
another little fast

1028
01:36:13,875 --> 01:36:15,125
fact for the Web site.

1029
01:36:15,166 --> 01:36:17,500
Yeah, you have to write another book.

1030
01:36:17,875 --> 01:36:21,291
Yeah, I think that's the book title.

1031
01:36:21,291 --> 01:36:23,916
That's the book. That's my

1032
01:36:23,916 --> 01:36:25,708
autobiography title right there.

1033
01:36:26,958 --> 01:36:31,166
Well, I love this.

1034
01:36:31,833 --> 01:36:33,000
So you're going to be promoting the book

1035
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,625
so people can check on the Web site of

1036
01:36:34,625 --> 01:36:35,833
where you're going to be showing up.

1037
01:36:35,833 --> 01:36:37,958
Is that absolutely. And I'm going to all

1038
01:36:37,958 --> 01:36:39,583
on my social media feeds, which you can

1039
01:36:39,583 --> 01:36:40,750
find through my Web site.

1040
01:36:41,250 --> 01:36:43,083
So I'm very active on social media and

1041
01:36:43,083 --> 01:36:45,000
I'll sort of like post a lot of stuff

1042
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:46,000
about where I'm going to be.

1043
01:36:46,333 --> 01:36:47,458
And also, OK, everyone

1044
01:36:47,458 --> 01:36:48,541
could just reach out to me.

1045
01:36:48,541 --> 01:36:50,166
My email is on there. Please feel free to

1046
01:36:50,166 --> 01:36:51,166
like get in touch or

1047
01:36:51,166 --> 01:36:52,583
ask questions or whatever.

1048
01:36:52,583 --> 01:36:55,041
I love hearing from people. Great.

1049
01:36:55,041 --> 01:36:55,791
Perfect. Well, that's good.

1050
01:36:55,791 --> 01:36:57,250
We'll have all that stuff up there and

1051
01:36:57,250 --> 01:36:59,291
we'll when the thing comes out, we'll

1052
01:36:59,291 --> 01:37:01,458
we'll definitely promote it.

1053
01:37:01,708 --> 01:37:03,750
And hopefully people buy lots of people

1054
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:05,625
buy the book. Yes. Yes.

1055
01:37:05,625 --> 01:37:08,500
And Sophie, can you just just tell

1056
01:37:08,500 --> 01:37:10,125
everybody the Web site just so that

1057
01:37:10,125 --> 01:37:12,250
people can get access to it? Yes.

1058
01:37:12,291 --> 01:37:14,791
So it's www dot Sophie

1059
01:37:14,791 --> 01:37:16,833
Maycock shark speak dot com.

1060
01:37:16,833 --> 01:37:18,833
And you can Google shark speak as well on

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01:37:18,833 --> 01:37:20,166
Facebook, on Instagram as well.

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01:37:20,166 --> 01:37:22,541
It's very findable. Yeah, not about what.

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01:37:22,666 --> 01:37:24,458
We'll also put the link in our show notes

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01:37:24,458 --> 01:37:26,458
that people can get access to as well.

1065
01:37:27,416 --> 01:37:29,291
So this has been so great to have you.

1066
01:37:29,291 --> 01:37:30,791
We can't wait to have you on in here more

1067
01:37:30,791 --> 01:37:32,666
about your writing, whether it's a book

1068
01:37:32,666 --> 01:37:34,333
or on the Web site or on social media,

1069
01:37:34,500 --> 01:37:36,000
whatever that might be. We really

1070
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:36,958
appreciate you coming on.

1071
01:37:37,208 --> 01:37:38,458
Oh, thank you so much for having me,

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01:37:38,458 --> 01:37:39,708
guys. This has been so great.

1073
01:37:39,708 --> 01:37:41,375
I can't wait to come back. Thanks, guys.

1074
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:43,416
Thank you, Sophie, for joining us on this

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01:37:43,416 --> 01:37:45,208
episode of the Beyond Jaws podcast.

1076
01:37:45,208 --> 01:37:47,375
A bonus episode. I promise everybody we

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01:37:47,375 --> 01:37:49,833
will have Sophie on for the her full

1078
01:37:49,833 --> 01:37:52,041
journey to learn more about it in a full

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01:37:52,041 --> 01:37:54,000
episode very, very soon.

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01:37:54,666 --> 01:37:56,291
Dave, what did you think? Like what

1081
01:37:56,291 --> 01:37:57,166
you've had a chance to

1082
01:37:57,166 --> 01:37:58,125
roam through the book?

1083
01:37:58,458 --> 01:38:00,583
What do you think and peruse? What do you

1084
01:38:00,583 --> 01:38:01,708
think? What do you think about the book?

1085
01:38:02,041 --> 01:38:04,083
Terrific book. Terrific book. It was it

1086
01:38:04,083 --> 01:38:05,916
was it's definitely it's definitely a

1087
01:38:05,916 --> 01:38:09,000
this is a this is a get book to have.

1088
01:38:09,500 --> 01:38:12,750
And if you haven't gotten my books, there

1089
01:38:12,750 --> 01:38:15,250
you go. Yes, as well.

1090
01:38:15,958 --> 01:38:18,750
And it was really terrific. I just had

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01:38:18,750 --> 01:38:19,958
other than just

1092
01:38:19,958 --> 01:38:21,500
communicating through social media stuff.

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01:38:21,500 --> 01:38:22,041
I really didn't know

1094
01:38:22,041 --> 01:38:24,041
Sophie, but boy, she was electric.

1095
01:38:24,458 --> 01:38:26,666
I was just really had a great time

1096
01:38:26,666 --> 01:38:28,375
talking with her, talk to

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01:38:28,375 --> 01:38:29,166
her, talk about the book.

1098
01:38:29,208 --> 01:38:31,000
I think the whole way the book came about

1099
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,250
actually her whole her old website, the

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01:38:33,250 --> 01:38:36,583
Sophie Maycock shark speak the way that

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01:38:36,583 --> 01:38:38,208
came about and how she

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01:38:38,208 --> 01:38:39,583
got hooked up with Dan Abel.

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01:38:39,583 --> 01:38:43,208
It was just it was terrific and joy.

1104
01:38:43,208 --> 01:38:46,375
Talk a little bit about the Jaws fiftieth

1105
01:38:46,375 --> 01:38:48,500
anniversary, which you and Andrew and I

1106
01:38:48,500 --> 01:38:48,958
are going to have a

1107
01:38:48,958 --> 01:38:50,375
special episode coming up.

1108
01:38:50,750 --> 01:38:52,083
We'll talk about a little more later

1109
01:38:52,083 --> 01:38:54,625
coming in June when the shark week when

1110
01:38:54,625 --> 01:38:57,083
Jaws is fiftieth anniversary comes up.

1111
01:38:57,541 --> 01:39:00,000
And so anyway, but yeah, she was she was

1112
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,000
terrific. I'm really looking for.

1113
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,041
We're definitely going to have her back

1114
01:39:02,041 --> 01:39:05,125
on to share more of her journey and we'll

1115
01:39:05,125 --> 01:39:06,958
talk about I'm sure other things like

1116
01:39:06,958 --> 01:39:09,000
Sharknado and some of these other twisted

1117
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,000
things we enjoy talking about.

1118
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,500
I like that you twisted for for

1119
01:39:13,500 --> 01:39:14,916
tornadoes. Yeah, exactly.

1120
01:39:15,500 --> 01:39:17,083
You know, it was a great episode. Sophie

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01:39:17,083 --> 01:39:20,000
is an amazing person and a great

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01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,458
scientist doing the good

1123
01:39:21,458 --> 01:39:22,833
work of science communication.

1124
01:39:23,291 --> 01:39:25,333
Obviously, we are biased because we are

1125
01:39:25,333 --> 01:39:28,125
definitely, you know, all all like

1126
01:39:28,125 --> 01:39:29,875
everything is in all in on

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01:39:29,875 --> 01:39:32,041
on on science communication.

1128
01:39:32,916 --> 01:39:34,666
And it's just it's a lot of fun.

1129
01:39:34,666 --> 01:39:36,833
As Sophie mentioned, we have a lot of fun

1130
01:39:36,833 --> 01:39:38,541
doing it and sort of she and I think

1131
01:39:38,541 --> 01:39:40,833
that's where we really connected here.

1132
01:39:40,833 --> 01:39:41,791
And I think it'll

1133
01:39:41,791 --> 01:39:43,291
connect with with our audience.

1134
01:39:43,541 --> 01:39:45,000
So it's really, really

1135
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,375
fun to have a Sophie on.

1136
01:39:46,375 --> 01:39:47,833
I'm going to put we're going to put the

1137
01:39:47,833 --> 01:39:49,833
the links to her book

1138
01:39:49,833 --> 01:39:51,125
through her website.

1139
01:39:51,875 --> 01:39:53,250
You can buy it. You can just click on

1140
01:39:53,250 --> 01:39:54,541
there and you can buy it through there

1141
01:39:54,541 --> 01:39:56,500
and then you get more

1142
01:39:56,500 --> 01:39:57,833
information on the book as well.

1143
01:39:58,458 --> 01:39:59,875
But I highly recommend that everybody

1144
01:39:59,875 --> 01:40:01,375
gets that gets the book.

1145
01:40:01,375 --> 01:40:03,416
It's a lot of fun. If you if you like I

1146
01:40:03,416 --> 01:40:04,750
said, if you thought you knew about

1147
01:40:04,750 --> 01:40:06,958
sharks, think again, because this this

1148
01:40:06,958 --> 01:40:08,458
book will really make you think.

1149
01:40:08,666 --> 01:40:10,041
And I think it's going to be I think

1150
01:40:10,041 --> 01:40:10,791
you're going to enjoy it.

1151
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:12,250
So go there.

1152
01:40:12,791 --> 01:40:15,375
Sharks beak Sophie Bangkok, sharks beak

1153
01:40:15,375 --> 01:40:17,583
dot com or we'll put the link in the show

1154
01:40:17,583 --> 01:40:19,166
notes and they can go for the book.

1155
01:40:19,583 --> 01:40:21,458
And we want to thank you, Dave.

1156
01:40:21,458 --> 01:40:22,666
We thank you. And of course, we want to

1157
01:40:22,666 --> 01:40:24,791
thank Sophie for joining us on today's

1158
01:40:24,791 --> 01:40:26,083
episode of the Beyond Jaws podcast.

1159
01:40:26,083 --> 01:40:28,041
Thank you so much from David and I.

1160
01:40:28,041 --> 01:40:29,750
We really appreciate everybody listening,

1161
01:40:30,166 --> 01:40:31,458
supporting us on YouTube,

1162
01:40:32,500 --> 01:40:34,708
supporting us on Instagram.

1163
01:40:34,708 --> 01:40:36,000
Dave, people want to get to

1164
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:37,791
to follow you on Instagram.

1165
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,500
How do you just go find a lost shark guy

1166
01:40:40,500 --> 01:40:43,416
and Instagram and check out

1167
01:40:43,416 --> 01:40:45,333
check out our my YouTube thing.

1168
01:40:45,666 --> 01:40:48,375
Lost shark guy in the series Searching

1169
01:40:48,375 --> 01:40:49,416
for Lost Sharks, Extinct

1170
01:40:49,416 --> 01:40:50,875
or Live on YouTube now.

1171
01:40:51,250 --> 01:40:54,250
And it's a new series. Two episodes are

1172
01:40:54,250 --> 01:40:55,208
up for episode three.

1173
01:40:55,208 --> 01:40:57,541
We're going to have here soon. And also

1174
01:40:57,541 --> 01:40:59,541
so please subscribe there and also go to

1175
01:40:59,541 --> 01:41:01,125
the Beyond Jaws YouTube

1176
01:41:01,125 --> 01:41:02,708
site and subscribe there.

1177
01:41:02,708 --> 01:41:04,291
We really appreciate it. And and leave a

1178
01:41:04,291 --> 01:41:05,750
comment on both sites as well.

1179
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:07,250
Yes, absolutely. Yeah, we'd

1180
01:41:07,250 --> 01:41:08,083
love to hear your feedback.

1181
01:41:08,291 --> 01:41:10,125
Love to hear how you love the show. Maybe

1182
01:41:10,125 --> 01:41:11,625
some some feedback, critical

1183
01:41:11,625 --> 01:41:12,708
feedback we'll take as well.

1184
01:41:13,583 --> 01:41:15,291
And yeah, we just love the fact that

1185
01:41:15,291 --> 01:41:16,500
you're listening. Thank you so much.

1186
01:41:16,916 --> 01:41:18,041
Have a great day. We'll talk to you next

1187
01:41:18,041 --> 01:41:19,333
time and happy conservation.