Shark Week 2025 with Jesse Colaizzi: What It Really Takes to Make the Ocean’s Biggest TV Event

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Welcome back to a special episode here on

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the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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It is Shark Week once

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again, always having fun with

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searching for the good episodes.

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And I think, you know, there are some

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good episodes in Shark Week.

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There's some entertaining ones.

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There are some that are a

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little little out there.

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But today on the program, we have Jesse

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Kalazy, who is part of the production

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team that puts together

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some of these amazing episodes.

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And we talked to him about what it's like

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to be an editor for some of these

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productions and what goes into it.

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He works with Forrest Galante and it's in

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the really fun episode.

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So we talked to him about Shark Week and

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what to expect in the episodes.

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He's part of two episodes this week.

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So we're going to talk to

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him about these episodes.

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I can't wait.

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Let's start the show.

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Hey, everybody, welcome back to another

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exciting episode of the Beyond Jaws

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podcast. I'm your host, co-host Andrew

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Lewin with my other co-host, Dr.

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David Ebert.

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Dave, Shark Week 2025 has

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begun as of this publication.

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Yeah. What do you think?

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What are you looking forward to?

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Here we go.

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Well, we had it's it's going to be

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another fun year of like interesting.

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It's almost become like the titles of

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some of the episodes

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are kind of interesting.

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You know, and Jesse is

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the perfect guy to have.

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We had him on last year to share his

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journey, his story about how he got to be

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a coming editor and everything.

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And he was such a he was such an

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entertaining guest

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and had so much insight.

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We just felt we had to have him back

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again this year to share some of his

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stories and his insights.

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As you mentioned, he worked on a couple

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of episodes, but he he knows about a lot

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about some of the other episodes because

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it's a small community.

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They all know each other.

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And yeah, it was it was really it was

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entertaining having

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him on as we expected.

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And so we're looking

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forward to the podcast.

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And it is interesting how they come up

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with some of the names for

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some of these episodes as well.

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Definitely some teasers in the names.

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I think. Oh, yeah.

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Today, we're going to be talking with

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Jesse about his work on Alien Sharks,

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Death Down Under, which is one that he

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played a significant role in editing.

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And then he played

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another role in an episode.

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So that one's playing

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July 23rd on July 25th.

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There's another episode called Florida's

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Death Beach, which is an

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interesting one as well.

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Like you said, these titles will make you

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think and sometimes it makes us shake our

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heads as we're doing now.

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But other times you're like, hey, this

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could be interesting.

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And some of these episodes are saying

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there's always some science involved.

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There's always some

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interesting questions being asked.

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And the production that

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goes into it is a lot of work.

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And we thought it would be great, right,

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Dave, to get Jesse on.

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He's been on the podcast before.

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We got his backstory, but really to talk

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about what kind of storytelling gets

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played into when you go into.

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An editing room and like you're chopping

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down episodes and you're chopping down

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footage and stuff like this.

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We get all into that with

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Jesse and it's a lot of fun.

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So let's I'll tell you what they were

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going to we're going to talk about that

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after this interview.

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So let's have the audience listen to this

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interview with Jesse Colleagues talking

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about Shark Week twenty twenty five in

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the episodes that they're doing.

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Enjoy and we'll talk to you after.

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Hey, Jesse, welcome back

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to the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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Are you ready to talk

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about sharks and TV?

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Yes.

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Let's do it.

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Well, I was now.

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Yeah, last time.

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Yeah.

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Well, I want to welcome back to everyone

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to Beyond Jaws special

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inside Shark Week episode.

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This with the amazing Jesse Colosse and

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Jesse, if you recall, was

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on the episode 72 last year.

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It aired in June of twenty twenty four.

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And we such a great time with them.

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Well, we thought, well, what the hell is

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having back on the show?

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So maybe Jesse, you just

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remind us who the hell you are.

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That's it coming out

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with the big questions.

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Big question.

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So I'm one of fours producers and also

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his fours galantes

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producers and his senior editor.

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And we've been working together since the

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early days of Extincter

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Alive way back in the day.

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And, you know, starting around twenty

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twenty, we've been doing a bunch of shark

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weeks and having so much fun

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doing shark weeks, of course.

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And it's been I think I just did my tenth

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and eleventh maybe this

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year or ninth and tenth maybe.

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Mm hmm.

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Oh, wow.

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Amazing.

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That's great.

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We'll want to we'll definitely got to

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hear some more about

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your about your shark week.

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So I guess we looked at we're looking at

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let's start with a couple of ones, talk

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about a couple of ones that

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you worked on with Forest.

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And you did it had

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some interesting names.

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What was the alien sharks

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and the title death down under?

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So, OK, OK, I assume it wasn't a shark

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attack based on the I'm saying that based

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on the poster because it had one of my

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favorite sharks on there.

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It had a ghost shark on the cover.

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minutes ago before he came on air, it was

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like, you know, Forest moved up in my

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friendship lift way up at the top of the

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list now by featuring a ghost shark, a

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plow knows ghost shark,

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actually, of everything else.

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So freaky looking.

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Yeah, it's freaky looking.

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So can you just share kind of an outline

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of this story giving everything away or

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if you want to go that's fine, too.

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Let me see how I do it.

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So, you know, there's there's these two

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venomous sharks that live in that area.

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They have spines on their backs and they

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are, you know, covered in a venomous

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whatever kind of residue,

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whatever it is, you know.

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Yeah, that's it.

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And, you know, there really isn't much

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existing knowledge about what happens to

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a human if that venom is in there.

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And so, Forest took it upon himself to do

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the OG inject thyself route and, you

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know, do the old mess around and find out

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approach to science.

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See what happens.

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Why not?

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And he I mean, I don't want to give it

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away whether he found out or not.

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When he does something like that, like

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you guys are good friends, right?

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together for a long time.

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When the idea comes up like

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that, we know he takes chances.

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He's that kind of guy.

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Do you ever like just kind of take him

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aside and be like, hey, hey, Forest, do

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you do you sure you want to do this?

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Like this, this seems a little little

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odd, little, little dangerous.

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You know, not really only because he's

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just got a pattern of doing crazy things.

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And we figured that's his base level, you

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know, got way up there.

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Yeah, out of the frame.

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So we, you know, we we we can tell just

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in his tone that he does have an inkling

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of what he's getting into and definitely

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how to handle himself

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in those situations.

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I think he's really good with wildlife,

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you know, like just, you know, just

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watching like the hours of raw footage.

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It's not just the stuff

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that makes it in the show.

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Like it's days of raw footage.

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And, you know, he knows how to move

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through the bush and through the woods

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and through the water very well to be

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able to bring animals in super close and

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show them to people.

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special and worth

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playing up as much as possible.

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I think it's I think it's also with the

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alien shark stuff to have been involved

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with those in the past.

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They you're highlighting some species

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that most people don't think about and

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especially like with

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the with the go sharks.

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if you if you say chimera or ratfish or

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which are some of the other common names

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for them, people,

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their eyes just glaze over.

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It's like, OK, ratfish. But if you say go

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shark, it gets attention, it gets

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people's attention and everything.

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And so I I think that feature that in the

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cover, like I said, it was

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kind of moved up in my thing.

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I know I know I know one of these sci fi

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channels or something a few years ago,

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they had one of these shark attack movies

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that was called Go Shark and everything

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looked like a great white shark attacking

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people from out of the water everywhere.

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My wife just brought me a

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nice cup of tea, by the way.

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That's very nice.

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That's super nice.

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So anyway, so that was so I was kind of

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hoping since we gave we gave the gave sci

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fi the kind of the idea for doing a movie

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Go Shark, they might like

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kick us a little support.

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But that didn't seem to come through.

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But well, you know, it's funny, Dave,

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we've done the last couple of years we

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did the first alien sharks we did was

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called called Strange New

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Worlds, which was a Star Trek.

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You know, it kind of had

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like a Star Trek throwback.

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And then the next one was the Japanese

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alien sharks, the Japanese angel shark.

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So as aliens and angels.

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And then this year it's aliens and

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ghosts, which is I think those two go

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together well, because they are like you

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go down as we find a lot

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of critters in this episode.

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But there's a lot down there at night and

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stuff that comes up out of the deep and

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all kinds of cephalopods and just really

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interesting looking animals.

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Well, I saw this.

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I'm not giving away because this is post

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on his social media.

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He had a picture of him with a weed.

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He see dragon, which I which I've been

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I've been diving down that area.

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I've seen those we there's a freaking

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amazing things to see those weed.

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He see dragons are just hard to believe

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are actually a type of seahorse or fish.

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Yeah, just like just bizarre, bizarre

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looking critters out there and stuff.

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And so you guys found a lot.

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So you see you went looking for and I

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guess he tells what the

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other besides the ghost shark.

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What was the other one?

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The other one was the Port Jackson shark,

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which we actually investigate first and

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set out because those are

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pretty abundant shark in that area.

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But because it was their egg laying

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season, you know, it is tough to find

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them at that point because they do kind

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of stay in little pockets and don't move.

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And so we did have a couple little fun

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exploration moments.

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But eventually, you know, we do find one.

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But I'll I'll let it to be a mystery.

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What happens next?

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Yeah, it's funny, though.

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I always think when I think alien sharks,

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I think because one of the shows that I

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saw was always deep sea sharks are these

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was this in the deep sea or how deep?

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Did you guys have to

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go to find these sharks?

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Well, they were relatively shallow.

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We tried to time it with the mating or

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the breeding season and

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they're coming into the shallows.

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And so a lot of those sharks

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are actually like fished a lot.

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Like the ghost shark is

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is a heavily fished shark.

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Yeah. And so we figured best the time it

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when people know they're there and, you

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know, we always kind of trust the local

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fish and fish for men

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because they tend to

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I mean, they discovered sharks and fish

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markets before, you know, like that.

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That's that's they have

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their fingers on the pulse.

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Yeah, always. He forrest is an angler.

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He's an extraordinary angler.

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He catches so many fish like seriously.

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And he he, you know, very respects

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everyone's opinion about

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that kind of thing, you know.

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01:10:54,458 --> 01:10:55,250
Yeah, I always say it's right.

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A target based on their knowledge.

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Why is it that those ghost sharks are

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those those plow nose ghost sharks?

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They have there. They're actually the

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fishery in there in both Australia and

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New Zealand for those things.

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And so they and I think in New Zealand,

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they have like a quote on them because

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you they're they're sort of cousin that

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lives in South Africa, the St.

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Joseph's. I mean, you get in shallow

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water less than 50 meters, man, you

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you'll get thousands of those.

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01:11:19,041 --> 01:11:20,375
Oh, really? Well, you know, the thing

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01:11:20,375 --> 01:11:22,000
was, it wasn't even the fact that we

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01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,250
weren't sure if it wasn't that, you know,

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01:11:24,375 --> 01:11:25,583
it's a tough fish to find.

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It's going to be in a pocket. But the

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thing is, is that that migration is so

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fast, they actually

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thought they had missed it.

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And that was really the big thing is like

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they thought they had

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gotten there too late.

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And, you know, what happens happens after

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that to be continued.

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01:11:42,166 --> 01:11:44,041
Well, well, well, I know at least at

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least forrest is still

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01:11:44,791 --> 01:11:45,916
post on social media.

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01:11:45,916 --> 01:11:46,625
So welcome back,

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01:11:46,625 --> 01:11:47,541
buddy. We know you made it.

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01:11:47,875 --> 01:11:49,041
Yeah, exactly.

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01:11:49,708 --> 01:11:51,250
I mean, he's yeah, he's

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not extinct. He's alive.

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01:11:52,666 --> 01:11:53,875
Yeah, that's good to know. That's good.

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01:11:54,375 --> 01:11:57,458
How does a how does an idea like this,

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01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,958
like these particular species come up?

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Like, how did you I know you guys have

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01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:02,416
come up with some pretty interesting

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01:12:02,416 --> 01:12:05,541
topics before this like, you know, sit

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01:12:05,541 --> 01:12:07,333
around the table and just kind of shoot

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01:12:07,333 --> 01:12:09,291
around and be like, we should we should

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01:12:09,291 --> 01:12:10,750
talk about this species or just kind of

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01:12:10,750 --> 01:12:11,666
comes up in conversation.

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01:12:12,458 --> 01:12:14,166
Well, you know, honestly, I don't really

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01:12:14,166 --> 01:12:15,250
get involved too much

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01:12:15,250 --> 01:12:15,916
in the pre production.

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01:12:16,208 --> 01:12:19,541
They there are little bits where while

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01:12:19,541 --> 01:12:22,250
like Mitch Long, by the way, like he'll

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01:12:22,250 --> 01:12:23,083
do a lot of that up

401
01:12:23,083 --> 01:12:24,250
front work in those shows.

402
01:12:24,541 --> 01:12:26,583
That's the showrunner for those shows.

403
01:12:26,791 --> 01:12:30,458
And so I usually start to see things

404
01:12:30,458 --> 01:12:31,916
right around the time that they've got an

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01:12:31,916 --> 01:12:33,416
outline and they're about to go shoot and

406
01:12:33,416 --> 01:12:34,500
what their plans are and

407
01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:35,291
how this all going to go.

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01:12:35,291 --> 01:12:36,500
And it kind of has the pitch deck that

409
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:37,708
they had prepared for

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01:12:37,708 --> 01:12:38,833
the network that involves.

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01:12:39,125 --> 01:12:41,083
But it all kind of comes down to their

412
01:12:41,083 --> 01:12:42,000
brainstorming sessions.

413
01:12:42,458 --> 01:12:45,291
And honestly, if you ever get a chance to

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01:12:45,291 --> 01:12:47,208
talk to Mitch, he'd be a

415
01:12:47,208 --> 01:12:48,416
good guy to talk to about that.

416
01:12:48,625 --> 01:12:51,541
He's definitely he's definitely someone I

417
01:12:51,541 --> 01:12:53,541
want to have on the podcast here at some

418
01:12:53,541 --> 01:12:55,666
point to talk about the stuff he has.

419
01:12:56,625 --> 01:12:57,250
Yeah, they are.

420
01:12:57,250 --> 01:12:57,750
He's good.

421
01:12:58,166 --> 01:13:00,833
Oh, yeah. So I guess when you guys go out

422
01:13:00,833 --> 01:13:02,791
and I'm saying this in the context is

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01:13:02,791 --> 01:13:04,458
people been watching, you know, we

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01:13:04,458 --> 01:13:07,083
started a YouTube channel now with my own

425
01:13:07,083 --> 01:13:08,625
series Searching for a Law Sharks.

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01:13:09,041 --> 01:13:10,250
And so I've been doing the writing the

427
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:12,541
stories and everything and sometimes half

428
01:13:12,541 --> 01:13:13,375
that I had kind of a

429
01:13:13,375 --> 01:13:14,916
general outline when I leave.

430
01:13:14,916 --> 01:13:16,625
But then I use everything changes once I

431
01:13:16,625 --> 01:13:17,375
get in the field and see

432
01:13:17,375 --> 01:13:18,125
what I'm actually getting.

433
01:13:18,125 --> 01:13:19,666
Is that kind of how it works

434
01:13:19,666 --> 01:13:21,083
for you guys when you got there?

435
01:13:21,083 --> 01:13:23,875
You have kind of an idea like, yeah, how

436
01:13:23,875 --> 01:13:26,583
does that whole process goes when you try

437
01:13:26,583 --> 01:13:28,750
to, you know, think about the things that

438
01:13:28,750 --> 01:13:29,583
are likely to happen.

439
01:13:29,583 --> 01:13:31,958
Like you hope you run into ragged tooth

440
01:13:31,958 --> 01:13:34,875
sharks, you know, and you do that.

441
01:13:34,875 --> 01:13:35,416
That's like you got to

442
01:13:35,416 --> 01:13:36,333
put those hopes out there.

443
01:13:36,375 --> 01:13:37,875
Everybody's very positive

444
01:13:37,875 --> 01:13:39,083
about that kind of stuff.

445
01:13:39,083 --> 01:13:41,208
You go into it just knowing you're going

446
01:13:41,208 --> 01:13:44,166
to you're going to work to get it and do

447
01:13:44,166 --> 01:13:46,083
do those really good animal tracking

448
01:13:46,083 --> 01:13:48,666
skills that he has to be able to get in

449
01:13:48,666 --> 01:13:50,958
close and not spook them away, you know,

450
01:13:50,958 --> 01:13:51,916
and allow them to be

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01:13:51,916 --> 01:13:52,916
comfortable around him.

452
01:13:53,791 --> 01:13:56,375
And that's a really big selling point.

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01:13:56,583 --> 01:13:58,166
And so, like, you go into these things

454
01:13:58,166 --> 01:14:02,541
hoping to see the endemic creatures, you

455
01:14:02,541 --> 01:14:04,750
know, you spend extra time for the really

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01:14:04,750 --> 01:14:06,333
important ones like the Port Jackson.

457
01:14:06,375 --> 01:14:08,083
And shark and the ghost shark, you got to

458
01:14:08,083 --> 01:14:09,416
just like give them as

459
01:14:09,416 --> 01:14:10,458
much time as you need to.

460
01:14:10,750 --> 01:14:13,458
And, you know, you know, so a lot of that

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01:14:13,458 --> 01:14:16,166
stuff is all, you know, aimed at that.

462
01:14:16,166 --> 01:14:18,958
He's every every dive you see is an area

463
01:14:18,958 --> 01:14:21,416
that people see those sharks at and you

464
01:14:21,416 --> 01:14:22,708
hope to just jump off the

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01:14:22,708 --> 01:14:24,083
boat and have one be right there.

466
01:14:24,083 --> 01:14:25,125
Yeah, you know, it

467
01:14:25,125 --> 01:14:28,666
never is. No, it's too easy.

468
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:29,416
That's not.

469
01:14:29,791 --> 01:14:31,833
Yeah. So I always tell people like if I

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01:14:31,833 --> 01:14:33,208
tell people I'm going to go look for a

471
01:14:33,208 --> 01:14:35,083
certain shark, I never freaking find it.

472
01:14:35,083 --> 01:14:36,916
I'll find everything else. But what I'm

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01:14:36,916 --> 01:14:38,250
looking for, if I just say, oh, I'm just

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01:14:38,250 --> 01:14:39,541
going to the fish market, look around,

475
01:14:40,125 --> 01:14:41,750
then I'll find like what I was kind of

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01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:44,416
hoping I might find, you know, as soon as

477
01:14:44,416 --> 01:14:45,166
you target something,

478
01:14:45,416 --> 01:14:46,291
you're never going to see it.

479
01:14:46,291 --> 01:14:48,583
It's just it'll be gone on every ever try

480
01:14:48,583 --> 01:14:50,458
and psych yourself out and be like, yeah,

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01:14:50,916 --> 01:14:52,666
like truly, you're looking for something.

482
01:14:52,666 --> 01:14:53,750
But then you're like, no, no, I'm not

483
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:54,750
looking for anything in particular.

484
01:14:55,625 --> 01:14:58,083
You know, I tend to not get

485
01:14:58,083 --> 01:14:59,583
emotionally involved in it.

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01:14:59,625 --> 01:15:03,208
I think that like when, you know, when I

487
01:15:03,208 --> 01:15:06,208
see the the outline of what they're

488
01:15:06,208 --> 01:15:08,125
hoping to accomplish in everything

489
01:15:08,125 --> 01:15:11,375
throughout the show, I start to read that

490
01:15:11,375 --> 01:15:14,416
in a very like tertiary kind of a very

491
01:15:14,416 --> 01:15:16,625
surface level of like tone vibe.

492
01:15:17,333 --> 01:15:18,208
You know, what's this

493
01:15:18,208 --> 01:15:19,583
whole thing going to feel like?

494
01:15:20,416 --> 01:15:22,250
You know, I'm in this weird middle

495
01:15:22,250 --> 01:15:23,916
generation where I remember the old

496
01:15:23,916 --> 01:15:25,833
classic nature documentaries, but I also

497
01:15:25,833 --> 01:15:27,291
really appreciate the modern stuff.

498
01:15:27,625 --> 01:15:27,791
Right.

499
01:15:27,791 --> 01:15:29,541
So I try to find little areas where I

500
01:15:29,541 --> 01:15:31,125
could blend some old and some new and I

501
01:15:31,125 --> 01:15:33,208
think about honestly, I think more about

502
01:15:33,208 --> 01:15:34,000
the tone of the show

503
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,583
and the flow of the show.

504
01:15:36,333 --> 01:15:38,416
And I let I let Mitch and Forrest, you

505
01:15:38,416 --> 01:15:40,083
know, do their thing in the field and

506
01:15:40,083 --> 01:15:40,916
really collaborate and

507
01:15:40,916 --> 01:15:42,208
really not just Mitch and Forrest.

508
01:15:42,208 --> 01:15:42,958
It's like the whole

509
01:15:42,958 --> 01:15:44,291
field team is like, right.

510
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:45,833
Super tight knit, you

511
01:15:45,833 --> 01:15:47,416
know, like it's an unreal.

512
01:15:47,916 --> 01:15:49,583
Most people in the film business are not

513
01:15:49,583 --> 01:15:51,791
like lucky enough to get to work with

514
01:15:51,791 --> 01:15:54,041
such a super maybe maybe everybody.

515
01:15:54,250 --> 01:15:55,833
I don't know. But like, because I'm in a

516
01:15:55,833 --> 01:15:56,541
super tight knit and

517
01:15:56,541 --> 01:15:57,291
I never get out much.

518
01:15:57,333 --> 01:15:59,625
So, you know, I mean, it's pretty much

519
01:15:59,625 --> 01:16:02,291
the same team goes most your core team,

520
01:16:02,291 --> 01:16:02,875
pretty much the same

521
01:16:02,875 --> 01:16:04,833
people most years pretty much.

522
01:16:04,875 --> 01:16:06,333
Yeah. Yeah. So exceptions.

523
01:16:06,958 --> 01:16:09,250
Yeah. But but at least you guys are used

524
01:16:09,250 --> 01:16:09,958
to working together.

525
01:16:09,958 --> 01:16:12,625
So you kind of know how each other works

526
01:16:12,625 --> 01:16:13,958
in different conditions and different

527
01:16:13,958 --> 01:16:16,541
situations as far as getting stuff as far

528
01:16:16,541 --> 01:16:17,916
as getting stuff done.

529
01:16:17,916 --> 01:16:20,458
Does it help you as sort of the editor

530
01:16:20,458 --> 01:16:22,500
puts the puts the thing together going

531
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:24,791
out in the field versus if you're staying

532
01:16:24,791 --> 01:16:26,000
at home and you just get

533
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,125
all this film sent to you

534
01:16:27,125 --> 01:16:28,458
as it help you as far

535
01:16:28,458 --> 01:16:29,458
as craft and everything.

536
01:16:30,083 --> 01:16:31,125
Yeah, I think it's

537
01:16:31,125 --> 01:16:32,375
good for a lot of things.

538
01:16:32,375 --> 01:16:34,333
It's good for just general enrichment as

539
01:16:34,333 --> 01:16:35,500
a professional, you know,

540
01:16:36,041 --> 01:16:37,750
to not just be cooped up.

541
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,291
And I mean, I have a lot of plenty of

542
01:16:40,291 --> 01:16:42,083
good creative space in my house where I

543
01:16:42,083 --> 01:16:43,291
work, but it's really great

544
01:16:43,291 --> 01:16:44,416
to get the out in the field.

545
01:16:44,416 --> 01:16:46,750
And I go out on a few.

546
01:16:47,291 --> 01:16:49,500
I'm actually working on a field, some

547
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:52,875
field work on a new upcoming project that

548
01:16:52,875 --> 01:16:55,125
Forrest has going on that I am not able

549
01:16:55,125 --> 01:16:56,125
to mention just yet.

550
01:16:56,291 --> 01:17:00,541
But it's a very interesting show, I would

551
01:17:00,541 --> 01:17:03,250
say very raw and very emotional, but also

552
01:17:03,250 --> 01:17:07,083
very charming and enjoyable show coming

553
01:17:07,083 --> 01:17:09,416
out soon that I would

554
01:17:09,416 --> 01:17:10,208
love to say more about.

555
01:17:10,416 --> 01:17:12,041
But right now, I'm well, I will have to

556
01:17:12,041 --> 01:17:13,750
have you at Forest come back and talk

557
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:16,166
about it when it comes out.

558
01:17:16,166 --> 01:17:17,083
Is it not going to be

559
01:17:17,083 --> 01:17:18,000
part of Shark Week this year?

560
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,250
Is it be a separate? This other thing is

561
01:17:20,250 --> 01:17:21,125
a completely different

562
01:17:21,125 --> 01:17:22,250
non shark week thing.

563
01:17:22,291 --> 01:17:23,208
It actually I don't think

564
01:17:23,208 --> 01:17:24,458
there are any sharks in it.

565
01:17:24,750 --> 01:17:26,625
Oh, it is. It is a

566
01:17:26,625 --> 01:17:27,250
bunch of other animals.

567
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:30,083
OK, any of the other many of the millions

568
01:17:30,083 --> 01:17:31,375
of species in surviving.

569
01:17:32,250 --> 01:17:33,333
Oh, OK. Oh, that's cool.

570
01:17:33,333 --> 01:17:34,333
It's something to look forward to.

571
01:17:34,333 --> 01:17:36,000
If there's no sharks, yeah, no sharks and

572
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:36,916
I might actually watch it.

573
01:17:37,166 --> 01:17:40,083
So I just because it's like if you're on

574
01:17:40,083 --> 01:17:41,666
vacation, you don't want to be working.

575
01:17:41,958 --> 01:17:43,208
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

576
01:17:43,708 --> 01:17:45,666
Well, I I tell you that story before when

577
01:17:45,666 --> 01:17:47,166
I came in from the field a couple of

578
01:17:47,166 --> 01:17:47,875
years ago, I'd been in the

579
01:17:47,875 --> 01:17:48,916
field for like three weeks.

580
01:17:48,916 --> 01:17:50,750
And I finally got to Lima, Peru.

581
01:17:50,833 --> 01:17:51,875
And I just thought I'm going to go have a

582
01:17:51,875 --> 01:17:53,541
nice cocktail and a nice dinner.

583
01:17:54,083 --> 01:17:56,541
I go in and order myself a margarita and

584
01:17:56,541 --> 01:17:57,708
why the guy's making the drink.

585
01:17:57,708 --> 01:17:59,083
I look up in the freaking screen and

586
01:17:59,083 --> 01:18:01,916
there's force and Mitchell speaking in

587
01:18:01,916 --> 01:18:03,208
Spanish and some freaking.

588
01:18:04,541 --> 01:18:05,833
God awful place wherever I'm

589
01:18:05,833 --> 01:18:06,708
thinking like Jesus Christ.

590
01:18:07,166 --> 01:18:08,458
Well, the universe works.

591
01:18:08,750 --> 01:18:10,375
All the fucking things I have to see,

592
01:18:10,375 --> 01:18:11,500
they have to see I have

593
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:12,916
to see extinct or alive.

594
01:18:12,916 --> 01:18:14,375
And I just came out of an extinct or

595
01:18:14,375 --> 01:18:16,583
alive like situation in the field.

596
01:18:16,583 --> 01:18:17,750
I hope someday I walk into a

597
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:18,875
bar and see one of my shows.

598
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,666
That would be great. Yeah.

599
01:18:21,125 --> 01:18:22,875
Well, why they're these is all dubbed in

600
01:18:22,875 --> 01:18:24,083
Spanish to those the

601
01:18:24,083 --> 01:18:25,041
other part of the thing.

602
01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:26,375
I'd love to see that.

603
01:18:26,375 --> 01:18:29,750
Yeah. I was I was I was I was what's that

604
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:31,083
what's happening from the bars.

605
01:18:31,250 --> 01:18:32,500
And I think I took a picture.

606
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:34,250
He said, oh, I said, Jesus Christ, I

607
01:18:34,250 --> 01:18:35,541
can't get away from you.

608
01:18:35,666 --> 01:18:36,583
Can't get away from you.

609
01:18:36,583 --> 01:18:37,666
I can't get away from you.

610
01:18:37,666 --> 01:18:39,125
Well, usually when he is doing something,

611
01:18:39,125 --> 01:18:39,875
he puts me on the

612
01:18:39,875 --> 01:18:40,791
other side of the planet.

613
01:18:40,875 --> 01:18:42,375
He's like, OK, we got to be over here.

614
01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:43,416
Where is the other hemisphere?

615
01:18:43,666 --> 01:18:44,250
I'll send Jesse.

616
01:18:44,583 --> 01:18:48,458
Well, he doesn't send you out there to go

617
01:18:48,458 --> 01:18:49,708
find the grizzly bear like this.

618
01:18:50,958 --> 01:18:52,791
You wonder out there and take some.

619
01:18:53,083 --> 01:18:54,208
You go ahead a little bit.

620
01:18:54,583 --> 01:18:56,416
You know, take a picture or something.

621
01:18:57,458 --> 01:18:58,875
What's what you got the other what the

622
01:18:58,875 --> 01:19:01,291
other show you're doing is another catchy

623
01:19:01,291 --> 01:19:02,500
tile for shark week.

624
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:03,666
Florida's death beach.

625
01:19:04,166 --> 01:19:06,125
Can you tell us about that?

626
01:19:13,875 --> 01:19:19,083
rely training, of course,

627
01:19:19,083 --> 01:19:21,708
I think and ways that would be reasons

628
01:19:21,708 --> 01:19:23,916
that would be making sharks come in,

629
01:19:23,916 --> 01:19:24,583
different species,

630
01:19:26,083 --> 01:19:27,250
and there's, like,

631
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:28,666
you know, a lot of accounts of them

632
01:19:28,666 --> 01:19:30,208
interacting and attacking divers.

633
01:19:30,625 --> 01:19:31,333
So, you know,

634
01:19:31,791 --> 01:19:32,666
definitely worth looking into.

635
01:19:32,666 --> 01:19:33,875
I think it's actually the shark sixth

636
01:19:33,875 --> 01:19:34,833
capital remained as

637
01:19:34,833 --> 01:19:35,500
Something like I could be wrong.

638
01:19:35,958 --> 01:19:38,041
I helped out another producer,

639
01:19:38,083 --> 01:19:39,375
producer editor like myself

640
01:19:39,375 --> 01:19:42,125
took a lot of that show on

641
01:19:42,458 --> 01:19:43,750
and I just kind of helped

642
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:45,291
accelerate him for a few weeks

643
01:19:45,291 --> 01:19:46,458
when he needed some help.

644
01:19:47,041 --> 01:19:48,083
Cause we definitely all

645
01:19:48,083 --> 01:19:49,250
collaborated in the background.

646
01:19:49,666 --> 01:19:49,875
Right.

647
01:19:50,750 --> 01:19:51,541
Yeah, you know how it is.

648
01:19:51,791 --> 01:19:53,583
It's the tight knit community.

649
01:19:53,583 --> 01:19:54,958
What's it like actually though,

650
01:19:54,958 --> 01:19:56,583
when you like, you guys work as a team

651
01:19:56,583 --> 01:19:57,750
and like you mentioned,

652
01:19:58,041 --> 01:19:58,958
you know, this other producer

653
01:19:58,958 --> 01:20:02,125
had this project that he is,

654
01:20:02,500 --> 01:20:03,916
an editor that he's kind of

655
01:20:03,916 --> 01:20:05,333
controlling the editing for.

656
01:20:05,916 --> 01:20:06,250
Yeah.

657
01:20:06,750 --> 01:20:07,750
Like how does it like, how do you get

658
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:08,666
like when you help out,

659
01:20:08,875 --> 01:20:10,666
oh, is it just divided up?

660
01:20:10,666 --> 01:20:11,833
Hey, can you take a couple of these

661
01:20:11,833 --> 01:20:13,708
scenes and work through them?

662
01:20:13,708 --> 01:20:14,666
This is what we're trying to think.

663
01:20:14,666 --> 01:20:16,375
Here's the overall kind of

664
01:20:16,375 --> 01:20:17,375
show that we're trying to do.

665
01:20:17,375 --> 01:20:18,291
Like how does that work?

666
01:20:18,291 --> 01:20:19,291
How do you divide it up?

667
01:20:19,583 --> 01:20:21,166
Like even from a file, like I've had a

668
01:20:21,166 --> 01:20:22,000
little bit of experience with,

669
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,208
you know, editing Dave's

670
01:20:24,208 --> 01:20:25,583
Lost Shark Guy shows and stuff,

671
01:20:25,583 --> 01:20:26,791
but you know, I've always

672
01:20:26,791 --> 01:20:27,833
done it on my own and they're,

673
01:20:27,833 --> 01:20:30,166
they're short, very, very short shows.

674
01:20:31,291 --> 01:20:32,541
Like how does it work with you guys?

675
01:20:32,541 --> 01:20:34,125
Like in terms of divvying things up?

676
01:20:34,708 --> 01:20:36,666
Well, the other editor and producer

677
01:20:36,666 --> 01:20:37,958
editor that I'm referring to,

678
01:20:37,958 --> 01:20:38,916
his name's Eric Kestin.

679
01:20:38,916 --> 01:20:40,625
He's really just talented guy.

680
01:20:40,625 --> 01:20:42,041
He's done a lot of other things for the,

681
01:20:42,916 --> 01:20:44,083
one of the studios that were

682
01:20:44,083 --> 01:20:45,916
attached to and just, you know,

683
01:20:45,916 --> 01:20:47,958
he's, he's all around good guy.

684
01:20:48,416 --> 01:20:51,041
And I think just getting to know how each

685
01:20:51,041 --> 01:20:52,583
other work and what our style is,

686
01:20:52,583 --> 01:20:53,583
because, you know, as you know, editing

687
01:20:53,583 --> 01:20:54,708
is a very intimate thing.

688
01:20:54,708 --> 01:20:57,375
It comes from a very dynamic place of a

689
01:20:57,375 --> 01:20:58,333
range of emotions and

690
01:20:58,333 --> 01:21:00,375
places from within you.

691
01:21:00,375 --> 01:21:02,083
It's a really, it's an intense process.

692
01:21:02,708 --> 01:21:05,291
And understanding the people that are in

693
01:21:05,291 --> 01:21:06,416
your close hemisphere,

694
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,166
in the post office that you maybe they're

695
01:21:09,166 --> 01:21:10,041
working on one show,

696
01:21:10,041 --> 01:21:12,250
you're working on another in tandem so

697
01:21:12,250 --> 01:21:15,041
that you can just know how to morph

698
01:21:15,041 --> 01:21:17,500
to their style a little bit and like work

699
01:21:17,500 --> 01:21:19,000
on a part of their show for them to

700
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,041
relieve some burden if

701
01:21:20,041 --> 01:21:21,500
they're under a time crunch.

702
01:21:21,791 --> 01:21:23,291
That's usually the big crux of it is

703
01:21:23,291 --> 01:21:23,958
there's a time crunch

704
01:21:23,958 --> 01:21:25,333
and you want to just

705
01:21:25,333 --> 01:21:27,208
jump in and help and they, you know, we

706
01:21:27,208 --> 01:21:28,208
arrange for it and we do that.

707
01:21:28,833 --> 01:21:29,875
You know, I have to, you know,

708
01:21:29,875 --> 01:21:31,250
because we were talking before we got out

709
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:32,291
to start the show here about, you know,

710
01:21:32,333 --> 01:21:33,541
Andrew and I have been doing this series

711
01:21:33,541 --> 01:21:35,583
on searching for lost

712
01:21:35,583 --> 01:21:37,250
sharks on my YouTube channel.

713
01:21:38,291 --> 01:21:41,333
And it's like, it's, I mean, we're, we

714
01:21:41,333 --> 01:21:42,125
don't have the time like

715
01:21:42,125 --> 01:21:43,708
you to like do 24 seven,

716
01:21:43,916 --> 01:21:45,750
but it's, I can tell you, it's time

717
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:48,000
consuming doing the whole process.

718
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,166
Of course, Andrew and I are kind of

719
01:21:49,166 --> 01:21:50,750
learning a little bit as learning a lot

720
01:21:50,750 --> 01:21:52,333
as we go along on the whole process.

721
01:21:53,916 --> 01:21:56,208
And but I can imagine like when you work

722
01:21:56,208 --> 01:21:57,625
in these, like, I think you talked last

723
01:21:57,625 --> 01:21:58,416
year when you're on the show,

724
01:21:58,416 --> 01:22:00,291
like it's pretty consuming for months

725
01:22:00,291 --> 01:22:00,833
when you're working

726
01:22:00,833 --> 01:22:01,500
on one of these shows,

727
01:22:01,791 --> 01:22:02,916
especially because you're also working on

728
01:22:02,916 --> 01:22:05,333
a short deadline usually and stuff.

729
01:22:05,333 --> 01:22:07,166
So the pretty all is like, it's just like

730
01:22:07,166 --> 01:22:09,958
super intense for a period of time.

731
01:22:09,958 --> 01:22:12,375
And it's just, you know, 24 seven when

732
01:22:12,375 --> 01:22:13,166
you're doing one of these.

733
01:22:13,916 --> 01:22:15,750
Yeah. You know, even when you're sleeping

734
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:17,208
and doing other things

735
01:22:17,208 --> 01:22:18,166
around the house, you know,

736
01:22:18,166 --> 01:22:20,083
it's obviously occupying, you know, most

737
01:22:20,083 --> 01:22:22,708
of your attention because you're thinking

738
01:22:22,708 --> 01:22:24,583
about things that you're trying to work

739
01:22:24,583 --> 01:22:26,916
through in a lot of different realms.

740
01:22:26,916 --> 01:22:28,333
You know, you've got so much footage, for

741
01:22:28,333 --> 01:22:29,125
example, and you want

742
01:22:29,125 --> 01:22:31,083
to make it 41 minutes,

743
01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:33,708
47 seconds and 10 frames. Not that

744
01:22:33,708 --> 01:22:36,333
anyone's counting, but, you know, the

745
01:22:36,333 --> 01:22:38,958
that's the standard for us.

746
01:22:38,958 --> 01:22:42,916
And and so just thinking about what what

747
01:22:42,916 --> 01:22:44,875
you can do without, you know, there's

748
01:22:44,875 --> 01:22:45,833
like so much stuff you

749
01:22:45,833 --> 01:22:47,125
want to deal with and have.

750
01:22:47,416 --> 01:22:51,166
Yeah. And yeah, I was going

751
01:22:51,166 --> 01:22:52,125
to say, you know, we tried.

752
01:22:52,125 --> 01:22:53,708
I was trying to make these episodes like

753
01:22:53,708 --> 01:22:55,833
sort of up to 10 minutes max.

754
01:22:55,833 --> 01:22:57,375
And like, you know, the three I've done,

755
01:22:57,375 --> 01:22:58,083
the last one was about

756
01:22:58,083 --> 01:22:59,208
14 and a half minutes.

757
01:22:59,666 --> 01:23:01,750
And I just didn't know how to make it any

758
01:23:01,750 --> 01:23:03,208
shorter without

759
01:23:03,208 --> 01:23:04,916
interrupting the story flow.

760
01:23:05,625 --> 01:23:06,750
But you're working on it when you're

761
01:23:06,750 --> 01:23:08,041
doing like TV, like

762
01:23:08,041 --> 01:23:09,291
you are cable or network.

763
01:23:09,666 --> 01:23:11,416
You you're pretty you're tied in like

764
01:23:11,416 --> 01:23:12,708
you've got, like you said, 41

765
01:23:12,708 --> 01:23:14,208
minutes and so many seconds.

766
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:16,166
And it's and that's pretty much it.

767
01:23:17,250 --> 01:23:20,250
So we're like obviously on YouTube, a

768
01:23:20,250 --> 01:23:21,500
little more flexibility there.

769
01:23:21,791 --> 01:23:24,333
But is the other thing, too, is we found

770
01:23:24,333 --> 01:23:26,916
out like if the little longer the episode

771
01:23:26,916 --> 01:23:27,750
gets, there's more

772
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:29,250
works obviously involved

773
01:23:29,375 --> 01:23:31,666
trying to get the damn thing to get a

774
01:23:31,666 --> 01:23:34,000
complete story into the into the episode.

775
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,416
Sure. But it's just like I think we

776
01:23:38,416 --> 01:23:39,583
talked to this last year, but like how

777
01:23:39,583 --> 01:23:41,166
much time like when you're working on

778
01:23:41,166 --> 01:23:42,875
like like the alien

779
01:23:42,875 --> 01:23:45,083
sharks when like like how much?

780
01:23:46,416 --> 01:23:48,458
How much time from when you get home from

781
01:23:48,458 --> 01:23:50,166
like, say, the shoot and you start in on

782
01:23:50,166 --> 01:23:51,833
it, like how much time is it?

783
01:23:52,041 --> 01:23:53,625
Yeah, I'll walk you through week by week,

784
01:23:53,625 --> 01:23:56,208
actually, because there's a pretty well

785
01:23:56,208 --> 01:23:57,541
established rhythm at this point.

786
01:23:57,583 --> 01:24:02,000
You know, the very first week of the edit

787
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,875
involves going through all of the raw

788
01:24:03,875 --> 01:24:06,416
footage and trying to find the easily,

789
01:24:06,666 --> 01:24:10,250
you know, do withoutable stuff, stuff I

790
01:24:10,250 --> 01:24:11,708
just know that I wouldn't use.

791
01:24:12,166 --> 01:24:12,750
You know, I wouldn't

792
01:24:12,750 --> 01:24:14,166
even say it's C level.

793
01:24:14,166 --> 01:24:16,125
I'd say like anything that's not not D

794
01:24:16,125 --> 01:24:18,375
like they did poorly, but just D like the

795
01:24:18,375 --> 01:24:20,250
quality of what was happening was either

796
01:24:20,250 --> 01:24:22,458
they were just nothing was happening and

797
01:24:22,458 --> 01:24:25,750
nothing was happening or, you know, it

798
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:26,583
was, you know, just something that I would say.

799
01:24:27,583 --> 01:24:30,041
I don't know the nothing. Honestly, it's

800
01:24:30,041 --> 01:24:32,083
like the nothing stuff. Yeah, you know,

801
01:24:32,083 --> 01:24:34,125
like you just cut out all the nothing and

802
01:24:34,125 --> 01:24:36,041
then suddenly it's all something. Right.

803
01:24:36,041 --> 01:24:37,291
And that's what kind of where I try to,

804
01:24:37,291 --> 01:24:38,958
you know, get to in the first week or

805
01:24:38,958 --> 01:24:41,583
maybe even four days is take all of the

806
01:24:41,583 --> 01:24:43,625
days that have been shot and take all of

807
01:24:43,625 --> 01:24:46,333
the nothing out and make a loose

808
01:24:46,333 --> 01:24:50,208
compilation reel that I think, you know,

809
01:24:50,208 --> 01:24:51,625
now having gone through these episodes

810
01:24:51,625 --> 01:24:54,750
time and time again, that something to

811
01:24:54,750 --> 01:24:56,541
something cut in that first week.

812
01:24:56,583 --> 01:24:58,583
I've gotten more and more aggressive with

813
01:24:58,583 --> 01:25:00,583
it over the years to where like it gets

814
01:25:00,583 --> 01:25:03,666
pretty good and short and in plump. You

815
01:25:03,666 --> 01:25:05,416
know what I mean? Do you know, like, how

816
01:25:05,416 --> 01:25:08,375
many hours of footage on average do you

817
01:25:08,375 --> 01:25:09,166
get? And then how much

818
01:25:09,166 --> 01:25:10,541
do you actually trim down?

819
01:25:39,541 --> 01:25:42,916
I think, you know, on the shortest end would be about 80 hours. What? Like 40 hours, 20 hours? I try to

820
01:25:42,916 --> 01:25:46,500
get it down to my first. It's funny

821
01:25:46,500 --> 01:25:48,083
because that compilation reel, I try to

822
01:25:48,083 --> 01:25:49,750
get it down to about a half hour per day

823
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:51,541
of all of the magic stuff.

824
01:25:51,583 --> 01:25:54,208
Okay. So to put that in perspective,

825
01:25:54,958 --> 01:25:57,750
that's over the course of often two and a

826
01:25:57,750 --> 01:26:00,875
half weeks. Yeah, sometimes to if they're

827
01:26:00,875 --> 01:26:02,750
on a crunch, even if it's like one week,

828
01:26:02,750 --> 01:26:06,791
that's actually six days. That's still a

829
01:26:06,791 --> 01:26:10,250
lot. And it and they have sometimes they

830
01:26:10,250 --> 01:26:12,000
splinter out and there's multiple crews

831
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,541
and you just double that at that point.

832
01:26:13,583 --> 01:26:17,708
And you know, there's just a lot of

833
01:26:17,708 --> 01:26:19,625
there's a lot of material to go through

834
01:26:19,625 --> 01:26:21,375
and it is dense because there's just a

835
01:26:21,375 --> 01:26:23,583
lot of action and they're constantly

836
01:26:23,583 --> 01:26:26,250
jumping in the water, going on dives,

837
01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:27,750
looking for the thing, running out of

838
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:29,500
air, going up, having an interval,

839
01:26:29,708 --> 01:26:30,500
jumping in the water.

840
01:26:30,500 --> 01:26:32,166
And it's just like again and again, like

841
01:26:32,166 --> 01:26:34,125
they do their max dives every day. Like

842
01:26:34,125 --> 01:26:35,791
they can actually, well, they do their

843
01:26:35,791 --> 01:26:37,500
max dives every day and then some free

844
01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:39,708
diving afterwards just because, you know,

845
01:26:40,333 --> 01:26:40,791
that's the only thing

846
01:26:40,791 --> 01:26:41,541
you can do at that point.

847
01:26:41,583 --> 01:26:43,333
Yeah, they got to get there. They got to

848
01:26:43,333 --> 01:26:44,458
get their hours and you got to make the

849
01:26:44,458 --> 01:26:46,791
most of of being out in the field, right?

850
01:26:46,791 --> 01:26:49,916
Oh, yeah. Yeah. All day. Yeah. Yeah. I

851
01:26:49,916 --> 01:26:52,041
tell people I come off these things. I

852
01:26:52,041 --> 01:26:54,083
like it. It's pretty physically demanding

853
01:26:54,083 --> 01:26:56,000
when you do doing these shows because

854
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,791
you're just constantly going on those

855
01:26:58,791 --> 01:26:59,541
show on those things.

856
01:26:59,583 --> 01:27:01,416
And it's like whatever 2-3 weeks,

857
01:27:01,416 --> 01:27:02,916
whatever you are on the particular shoot,

858
01:27:02,916 --> 01:27:04,625
it's it's a lot. You got to you

859
01:27:04,625 --> 01:27:06,000
definitely got to be fit. You guys are

860
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,000
pretty fit that you got to stay for me. I

861
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,583
got to really stay fit. I keep it up when

862
01:27:09,583 --> 01:27:10,416
I've done with you guys. I

863
01:27:10,416 --> 01:27:11,500
got to keep up with you guys.

864
01:27:11,583 --> 01:27:14,041
Unfortunately, the boat that we were on

865
01:27:14,041 --> 01:27:16,375
had those nice cushy sides, you know, and

866
01:27:16,375 --> 01:27:17,750
so when you hit the waves, it at least

867
01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:20,166
was cushion. Yeah. Well, I remember when

868
01:27:20,166 --> 01:27:22,375
I did the show with you, the land of the

869
01:27:22,375 --> 01:27:24,291
law sharks in Africa, we went out in that

870
01:27:24,291 --> 01:27:27,208
Zodiac the one day there would have like

871
01:27:27,208 --> 01:27:28,375
we had three meter

872
01:27:28,375 --> 01:27:28,541
seas and like six seconds.

873
01:27:29,583 --> 01:27:32,291
You can see through the waves. You can

874
01:27:32,291 --> 01:27:34,125
see the next wave through the first wave.

875
01:27:34,500 --> 01:27:37,250
I remember I remember Forrest kept asking

876
01:27:37,250 --> 01:27:39,291
the skipper Spike. He says, okay to dive

877
01:27:39,291 --> 01:27:41,458
out here and spikes. Yeah, it's fine. And

878
01:27:41,458 --> 01:27:43,375
then and then and then you guys go like

879
01:27:43,375 --> 01:27:45,625
Forrest never asked if it's okay to dive.

880
01:27:45,625 --> 01:27:47,750
So it was I was just thinking it's rough.

881
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:48,458
I was thinking like

882
01:27:48,458 --> 01:27:49,541
they were very brash to.

883
01:27:49,583 --> 01:27:50,583
We were having trouble finding them at the end of that dive as you remember and he was just you know cram in the last the big end of the carrot into his mouth like we'll find him like didn't even flinch. Oh, but there's a shot in that show Dave of in you're in it. I'm pretty sure where
we were surface you were trying to radio with Forrest and there was no connection because there was no connection on day and and we went over this wave and the camera was rolling and you were sitting up on the front and the V birth and it just like smack down. It was like a

884
01:28:19,583 --> 01:28:20,458
deer. It might have been you or it might

885
01:28:20,458 --> 01:28:22,750
have been down. You might have been

886
01:28:22,750 --> 01:28:24,250
towards the back. It was one or the other

887
01:28:24,250 --> 01:28:27,625
but it looked painful. Yeah, I was

888
01:28:27,625 --> 01:28:29,458
sitting up by I was up by Spike at the

889
01:28:29,458 --> 01:28:31,416
front there and I just remember thinking

890
01:28:31,416 --> 01:28:34,708
like there's just no fucking way I'm

891
01:28:34,708 --> 01:28:36,291
going and diving down here. I mean it was

892
01:28:36,291 --> 01:28:38,750
like what eight eight ten not currents.

893
01:28:38,750 --> 01:28:41,375
It was just like oh well that that's same

894
01:28:41,375 --> 01:28:43,250
it was earlier than that same trip. It

895
01:28:43,250 --> 01:28:44,625
might have been before you got there, but

896
01:28:44,625 --> 01:28:47,250
we were doing another surf launch and

897
01:28:49,583 --> 01:28:51,708
you know, it was a major part of his body

898
01:28:51,708 --> 01:28:54,000
out right. Um I screamed in his his

899
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,708
actual his like anguish scream and that

900
01:28:55,708 --> 01:28:58,458
happened was it made the cut obviously it

901
01:28:58,458 --> 01:29:01,333
was right of course. Yeah. Yeah. That was

902
01:29:01,333 --> 01:29:05,125
the day I'm telling behind the stories

903
01:29:05,125 --> 01:29:07,041
here, but that was the day before you I

904
01:29:07,041 --> 01:29:09,750
was you you were shooting out there at up

905
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:13,375
at up at Sadwana Cozy Bay and I went to I

906
01:29:13,375 --> 01:29:15,458
went to scout out that village and I

907
01:29:15,458 --> 01:29:16,500
ended up getting surrounded

908
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:18,583
by the Mozambique Army and

909
01:29:19,583 --> 01:29:22,833
I was you remember that I do he got hurt

910
01:29:22,833 --> 01:29:24,458
and the force has sent me a message and

911
01:29:24,458 --> 01:29:26,291
he's like he's like how's it going? I go

912
01:29:26,291 --> 01:29:28,458
I'm surrounded by guys with machine guns

913
01:29:28,458 --> 01:29:32,208
and I really was that was at the border.

914
01:29:32,208 --> 01:29:35,000
Yeah. Yeah. I went to the border. Yeah.

915
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,833
And that was I didn't realize the village

916
01:29:36,833 --> 01:29:38,583
was on the Mozambique side of the border

917
01:29:38,583 --> 01:29:40,833
in the South African guys who surrounded

918
01:29:40,833 --> 01:29:43,083
us uh me and the uh young guys with

919
01:29:43,083 --> 01:29:45,250
Samoanga surrounded us first and I said

920
01:29:45,250 --> 01:29:46,666
what we're just looking for this village

921
01:29:46,666 --> 01:29:48,041
and you guys oh it's you gotta go through

922
01:29:48,041 --> 01:29:48,958
that gate there. So we

923
01:29:48,958 --> 01:29:49,541
walked through the gate.

924
01:29:49,583 --> 01:29:51,041
And actually I know I got surrounded by

925
01:29:51,041 --> 01:29:53,208
the Mozambique guys and that right then

926
01:29:53,208 --> 01:29:54,833
is what for sends me a text message.

927
01:29:54,833 --> 01:29:56,625
How's it going? I'm going a lot of

928
01:29:56,625 --> 01:29:59,583
machine guns here. It's like uh yeah.

929
01:29:59,583 --> 01:30:01,750
It's not exactly uh managing a

930
01:30:01,750 --> 01:30:04,000
spreadsheet for a living. No, no, no.

931
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,791
It's a little more. I I just fear it's

932
01:30:06,791 --> 01:30:08,833
kind of to me. It's just sort of up here.

933
01:30:09,083 --> 01:30:10,166
I'm on another one of my field

934
01:30:10,166 --> 01:30:12,541
expeditions and typical and uh that's

935
01:30:12,541 --> 01:30:14,000
that's what it's all about. Yeah. But

936
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,333
that was the day that guys with machine

937
01:30:15,333 --> 01:30:17,041
guns. Yeah. That was that was right at

938
01:30:17,041 --> 01:30:18,500
the beginning when he got hurt and so I

939
01:30:18,500 --> 01:30:19,500
know it was painful and

940
01:30:19,583 --> 01:30:20,208
I know it was painful for the whole trip

941
01:30:20,208 --> 01:30:22,833
after that uh to kind of get through um

942
01:30:22,833 --> 01:30:24,500
get through that trip. That's stuff

943
01:30:24,500 --> 01:30:26,333
people don't think about or realize when

944
01:30:26,333 --> 01:30:28,500
you're doing those shows, you know, cuz I

945
01:30:28,500 --> 01:30:30,375
come I I know about you. You do this all

946
01:30:30,375 --> 01:30:31,500
the time but I come home and all my

947
01:30:31,500 --> 01:30:32,500
friends are going, well, I have another

948
01:30:32,500 --> 01:30:34,583
cushy trip to Africa and I go, man, I

949
01:30:34,583 --> 01:30:36,291
don't know. I wouldn't jot that sweating.

950
01:30:36,833 --> 01:30:39,291
Yeah, that's great. Well, the other thing

951
01:30:39,291 --> 01:30:40,750
I tell a story I was I remember like for

952
01:30:40,750 --> 01:30:42,625
you guys cuz you guys are all like pretty

953
01:30:42,625 --> 01:30:43,750
young and stuff and I was like just

954
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:45,500
keeping up with you guys and I remember

955
01:30:45,500 --> 01:30:47,458
we'd go to we'd like work like a 20 hour

956
01:30:47,458 --> 01:30:48,916
day and be like, okay, see you guys in a

957
01:30:48,916 --> 01:30:49,541
few hours and go and get

958
01:30:49,583 --> 01:30:50,041
some ice. You know, go in there and call

959
01:30:50,041 --> 01:30:51,208
the front desk like send all the

960
01:30:51,208 --> 01:30:51,333
****

961
01:30:51,333 --> 01:30:53,958
ice you got up here and do my ice do my

962
01:30:53,958 --> 01:30:56,250
ice plunge at night. I got and I will

963
01:30:56,250 --> 01:30:57,416
tell you, I'll give a plug for the ice

964
01:30:57,416 --> 01:30:59,250
but it freaking works. I gotta tell you,

965
01:30:59,250 --> 01:31:02,208
I did my ice plunge every night and I was

966
01:31:02,208 --> 01:31:03,916
I was ready to go and you guys were like

967
01:31:03,916 --> 01:31:05,916
whatever four or 5 AM. I was good to go

968
01:31:05,916 --> 01:31:07,791
but yeah, but that ice plunge did work

969
01:31:07,791 --> 01:31:10,000
and um if you're if you're wondering

970
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,208
about it, natural remedies, they're

971
01:31:11,208 --> 01:31:12,958
always the best. Oh yeah, no, it's great.

972
01:31:12,958 --> 01:31:14,125
It was great. I had a fun. That was a

973
01:31:14,125 --> 01:31:15,875
really fun time in that on that one there

974
01:31:15,875 --> 01:31:17,541
but so yeah, it's it's

975
01:31:19,583 --> 01:31:21,500
interesting to do like a behind the

976
01:31:21,500 --> 01:31:24,125
scenes episode for like Shark Week or

977
01:31:24,125 --> 01:31:26,583
some just to show the maybe they have I

978
01:31:26,583 --> 01:31:28,500
don't know but just to show some of the

979
01:31:28,500 --> 01:31:31,500
stuff that goes on. I mean there is so

980
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:34,041
much uh and there's I mean there's so

981
01:31:34,041 --> 01:31:37,333
much um a lot of the extra stuff actually

982
01:31:37,333 --> 01:31:40,250
one of the things we do is we of the of

983
01:31:40,250 --> 01:31:41,750
the very best things that we just could

984
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:44,000
not put in the show. They ended up

985
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:45,708
getting edited into the international

986
01:31:45,708 --> 01:31:47,666
cuts which ends up being about

987
01:31:49,583 --> 01:31:53,208
6 to 8 minutes longer which actually

988
01:31:53,208 --> 01:31:55,875
equates to several more scenes not just

989
01:31:55,875 --> 01:31:58,958
like one more scene ends up being like 3

990
01:31:58,958 --> 01:32:02,416
more scenes um and you know it's

991
01:32:02,416 --> 01:32:03,625
interesting so if you live in another

992
01:32:03,625 --> 01:32:05,166
country somewhere and you're able to

993
01:32:05,166 --> 01:32:07,375
watch these shows uh you'll actually end

994
01:32:07,375 --> 01:32:11,000
up seeing more show. Oh, is it just cuz

995
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:12,583
like censorship or something like like in

996
01:32:12,583 --> 01:32:13,666
terms of like what's the different

997
01:32:13,666 --> 01:32:15,375
markets is the different market the

998
01:32:15,375 --> 01:32:16,750
different markets have different formats

999
01:32:16,750 --> 01:32:18,250
and different you know ratios of

1000
01:32:18,250 --> 01:32:19,541
commercial time and um

1001
01:32:19,583 --> 01:32:21,791
right so you conform to that and it all

1002
01:32:21,791 --> 01:32:24,000
comes down to in the us and you have a

1003
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:28,250
that 4147 10 is your mark and uh it

1004
01:32:28,250 --> 01:32:31,083
expands and contracts depending on where

1005
01:32:31,083 --> 01:32:34,083
in the world you are and um yeah it's a

1006
01:32:34,083 --> 01:32:37,250
whole thing it's uh it's uh yeah so I

1007
01:32:37,250 --> 01:32:38,375
guess back to when you're editing the

1008
01:32:38,375 --> 01:32:40,083
show Jesse how does that work if you're

1009
01:32:40,083 --> 01:32:41,666
if you know you're cutting one for like a

1010
01:32:41,666 --> 01:32:44,583
us market versus a an overseas market how

1011
01:32:44,583 --> 01:32:46,583
does that how does that affect you as

1012
01:32:46,583 --> 01:32:47,333
you're as you're cutting

1013
01:32:47,333 --> 01:32:49,541
the show well honestly uh

1014
01:32:49,583 --> 01:32:51,791
um kind of like not really a technical

1015
01:32:51,791 --> 01:32:54,041
answer unfortunately but I think it comes

1016
01:32:54,041 --> 01:32:56,208
down to like decision making and trying

1017
01:32:56,208 --> 01:32:58,083
to understand who all the different pop

1018
01:32:58,083 --> 01:32:59,625
possible people are that could be

1019
01:32:59,625 --> 01:33:02,208
watching and just try to relate to them

1020
01:33:02,208 --> 01:33:04,083
the best you can and a lot of times it's

1021
01:33:04,083 --> 01:33:05,750
just a lot of different types of people

1022
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:08,291
you know I think you go on the scale of

1023
01:33:08,291 --> 01:33:10,166
things on one end of the extremes you

1024
01:33:10,166 --> 01:33:12,833
have baseball which everybody at some

1025
01:33:12,833 --> 01:33:15,041
point in their life watches likes if you

1026
01:33:15,041 --> 01:33:17,041
look at the audience in a baseball

1027
01:33:17,041 --> 01:33:19,500
stadium it's everybody like literally

1028
01:33:19,583 --> 01:33:21,791
everybody and on the other end you have

1029
01:33:21,791 --> 01:33:23,083
an audience that is just for a very

1030
01:33:23,083 --> 01:33:25,625
specific person and both are just as

1031
01:33:25,625 --> 01:33:27,458
valid because you've got you know a niche

1032
01:33:27,458 --> 01:33:29,625
you're into sailboat enthusiasts over

1033
01:33:29,625 --> 01:33:31,333
here versus you're into baseball

1034
01:33:31,333 --> 01:33:33,208
enthusiasts over here and it could even

1035
01:33:33,208 --> 01:33:35,875
be more you know niche than that you know

1036
01:33:35,875 --> 01:33:38,291
the sky's the limit I think and so

1037
01:33:38,291 --> 01:33:40,083
there's always a place in between to

1038
01:33:40,083 --> 01:33:41,416
where you are but I think just knowing

1039
01:33:41,416 --> 01:33:43,583
who your audience is and being able to

1040
01:33:43,583 --> 01:33:45,166
understand if they're just all kinds of

1041
01:33:45,166 --> 01:33:46,416
different people what are some of the

1042
01:33:46,416 --> 01:33:48,000
things you would do to relate to all

1043
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:48,791
different kinds of people

1044
01:33:48,791 --> 01:33:49,541
because baseball does it

1045
01:33:49,583 --> 01:33:52,250
so what would you do in that case and

1046
01:33:52,250 --> 01:33:53,875
same would be said I think for a really

1047
01:33:53,875 --> 01:33:56,458
targeted audience which we honestly don't

1048
01:33:56,458 --> 01:33:58,416
try to target too much we try to go for

1049
01:33:58,416 --> 01:34:02,000
that broad you know invite everybody you

1050
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,250
know everyone's got a welcome mat in

1051
01:34:03,250 --> 01:34:05,625
these shows I think you know we talked to

1052
01:34:05,625 --> 01:34:07,625
everyone right you want to obviously

1053
01:34:07,625 --> 01:34:08,500
you're trying to get as much of an

1054
01:34:08,500 --> 01:34:10,666
audience in there so they keep hiring you

1055
01:34:10,666 --> 01:34:12,250
back next year to do another yet another

1056
01:34:12,250 --> 01:34:15,083
episode funny how that works yeah I know

1057
01:34:15,083 --> 01:34:17,250
it's funny it's all

1058
01:34:17,250 --> 01:34:18,541
about following the money

1059
01:34:19,583 --> 01:34:21,208
but you're but I think well I think is

1060
01:34:21,208 --> 01:34:22,416
you know just kind of looking over the

1061
01:34:22,416 --> 01:34:24,375
schedule this year with the do you know

1062
01:34:24,375 --> 01:34:25,666
much about any of the other episodes are

1063
01:34:25,666 --> 01:34:27,083
coming out this year do you ever get any

1064
01:34:27,083 --> 01:34:29,166
inside anything is coming out it's so

1065
01:34:29,166 --> 01:34:30,541
funny because we never get to watch each

1066
01:34:30,541 --> 01:34:32,208
other's work and then when shark week

1067
01:34:32,208 --> 01:34:34,666
finally happens you know it's like you're

1068
01:34:34,666 --> 01:34:36,958
working on something else hopefully yeah

1069
01:34:36,958 --> 01:34:41,083
and you know it's hard I try to at least

1070
01:34:41,083 --> 01:34:43,458
watch like two or three other shows I

1071
01:34:43,458 --> 01:34:45,916
don't know which ones it probably won't

1072
01:34:45,916 --> 01:34:47,833
be the night of mine it might be another

1073
01:34:47,833 --> 01:34:49,208
night just really get into like a

1074
01:34:49,625 --> 01:34:51,125
different track I like to watch the other

1075
01:34:51,125 --> 01:34:53,458
you know if I have a show at 10 o'clock I

1076
01:34:53,458 --> 01:34:54,750
like to watch some of the other shows at

1077
01:34:54,750 --> 01:34:56,875
10 o'clock just to see what the other

1078
01:34:56,875 --> 01:34:58,416
people are doing you know because I'm

1079
01:34:58,416 --> 01:34:59,750
generally interested I think it's an

1080
01:34:59,750 --> 01:35:01,833
interesting it's almost like a film fest

1081
01:35:01,833 --> 01:35:04,375
for adults that you know I mean because

1082
01:35:04,375 --> 01:35:05,583
we're all these different production

1083
01:35:05,583 --> 01:35:06,666
companies are out there doing their

1084
01:35:06,666 --> 01:35:08,875
aquatic films and they're rushing to get

1085
01:35:08,875 --> 01:35:10,708
these shark weeks and it's really

1086
01:35:10,708 --> 01:35:14,666
interesting like like migration you know

1087
01:35:14,666 --> 01:35:17,916
if you to use a pun in this business I

1088
01:35:17,916 --> 01:35:19,541
haven't looked at all this

1089
01:35:19,583 --> 01:35:20,750
year but I always kind of figure out like

1090
01:35:20,750 --> 01:35:22,583
I figure probably like 75% of the

1091
01:35:22,583 --> 01:35:23,958
episodes are gonna involve white sharks

1092
01:35:23,958 --> 01:35:26,666
or tiger sharks pretty much so anything

1093
01:35:26,666 --> 01:35:28,083
beyond that is like oh it's kind of cool

1094
01:35:28,083 --> 01:35:30,500
see what else we're doing here and the

1095
01:35:30,500 --> 01:35:31,958
fact you guys are doing go sharks to me

1096
01:35:31,958 --> 01:35:34,125
it's just super awesome and you know

1097
01:35:34,125 --> 01:35:35,666
force likes to go the freakiest and the

1098
01:35:35,666 --> 01:35:37,750
deakiest oh yeah so he likes the weird

1099
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:40,333
ones yeah he likes the unique ones for

1100
01:35:40,333 --> 01:35:42,958
sure oh yeah yeah yeah who doesn't know

1101
01:35:42,958 --> 01:35:46,541
yeah that's my bag baby I

1102
01:35:46,541 --> 01:35:49,541
mean why go for the thing every

1103
01:35:49,583 --> 01:35:51,000
everybody else is I'm going off with you

1104
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,416
better to go off in the own direction and

1105
01:35:52,416 --> 01:35:54,541
stuff like that this sort of thing is

1106
01:35:54,541 --> 01:35:56,625
Dave's bag that's yeah have you guys ever

1107
01:35:56,625 --> 01:35:59,250
come across any I assume in this episode

1108
01:35:59,250 --> 01:36:01,000
in the episodes particularly Australian

1109
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:04,500
when you you you mentioned ragatoo sharks

1110
01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:07,083
are going to call gray nurses in

1111
01:36:07,083 --> 01:36:08,541
Australia do you guys have any other

1112
01:36:08,541 --> 01:36:10,458
interest okay there any other interesting

1113
01:36:10,458 --> 01:36:12,208
things you can talk about or oh yes

1114
01:36:12,208 --> 01:36:14,250
cephalopods we have a really interesting

1115
01:36:14,250 --> 01:36:17,250
little cephalopod that is a cuttlefish

1116
01:36:17,250 --> 01:36:19,541
and he's just the patterns not only for

1117
01:36:19,583 --> 01:36:21,000
the patterns like the textures all

1118
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,958
changing and morphing right in front of

1119
01:36:22,958 --> 01:36:24,708
you like it's really right in front of

1120
01:36:24,708 --> 01:36:30,250
your eyes and then earlier in the show oh

1121
01:36:30,250 --> 01:36:33,083
yeah a what the heck was it a coffin ray

1122
01:36:33,083 --> 01:36:36,041
oh very interesting actually I will say a

1123
01:36:36,041 --> 01:36:37,416
very interesting encounter with a coffin

1124
01:36:37,416 --> 01:36:41,416
ray I'll leave it at that what else I'm

1125
01:36:41,416 --> 01:36:42,750
just trying to work through the show in

1126
01:36:42,750 --> 01:36:44,833
sequential order without giving too much

1127
01:36:44,833 --> 01:36:46,625
away say anybody go look at the call I

1128
01:36:46,625 --> 01:36:48,375
know I kind of got an idea cuz I know

1129
01:36:48,375 --> 01:36:49,541
what a coffin ray is if you don't know

1130
01:36:49,583 --> 01:36:51,541
what a coffin ray is go look it up yeah

1131
01:36:51,541 --> 01:36:54,375
only that's all I'm gonna say I can kind

1132
01:36:54,375 --> 01:36:56,791
of like maybe bring a toaster I can I can

1133
01:36:56,791 --> 01:36:59,333
I can kind of wild ass a pretty accurate

1134
01:36:59,333 --> 01:37:00,750
wild ass guess what that probably

1135
01:37:00,750 --> 01:37:03,583
involved but go look up a coffin ray if

1136
01:37:03,583 --> 01:37:05,458
you don't know what it is so definitely

1137
01:37:05,458 --> 01:37:07,166
interesting looking I'm just like oh yeah

1138
01:37:07,166 --> 01:37:08,833
they're cool looking yeah I love all the

1139
01:37:08,833 --> 01:37:11,666
the frilly yeah tail fins and everything

1140
01:37:11,666 --> 01:37:14,125
yeah I mean that's the thing about alien

1141
01:37:14,125 --> 01:37:16,791
sharks it's you know it's it's just you

1142
01:37:16,791 --> 01:37:17,625
know we're used to

1143
01:37:17,625 --> 01:37:19,541
land-based life and maybe

1144
01:37:19,583 --> 01:37:22,375
birds a little bit and you know going

1145
01:37:22,375 --> 01:37:24,583
underwater is something that I don't

1146
01:37:24,583 --> 01:37:25,916
think a lot of people get to do that's

1147
01:37:25,916 --> 01:37:27,416
another thing where you have you know you

1148
01:37:27,416 --> 01:37:29,250
have to plan for a potentially anybody

1149
01:37:29,250 --> 01:37:31,833
audience but you're you're taking them

1150
01:37:31,833 --> 01:37:34,750
down to a reef somewhere where maybe most

1151
01:37:34,750 --> 01:37:36,041
of them wouldn't be getting patty

1152
01:37:36,041 --> 01:37:38,500
certified and you know whatever scuba you

1153
01:37:38,500 --> 01:37:40,166
know so I think it brings them into a

1154
01:37:40,166 --> 01:37:42,541
different world and it is it it's a there

1155
01:37:42,541 --> 01:37:44,333
a lot there's lots to say about who's the

1156
01:37:44,333 --> 01:37:46,375
alien in those worlds of course you know

1157
01:37:46,375 --> 01:37:48,375
oh yeah oh yeah no doubt no doubt I

1158
01:37:48,375 --> 01:37:49,541
actually venturing in there you're more

1159
01:37:49,583 --> 01:37:51,583
the alien if anything that's that's kind

1160
01:37:51,583 --> 01:37:54,000
of their world really you know yeah come

1161
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,375
into that stuff do you guys know how long

1162
01:37:56,375 --> 01:37:58,458
in the process is like when you guys are

1163
01:37:58,458 --> 01:38:01,250
doing like these shows like how much in

1164
01:38:01,250 --> 01:38:04,708
advance do you like get a heads up like

1165
01:38:04,708 --> 01:38:08,125
hey Jesse we're gonna do a show next year

1166
01:38:08,125 --> 01:38:10,083
and here's we're gonna do like what at

1167
01:38:10,083 --> 01:38:12,416
what point do they tell you like like how

1168
01:38:12,416 --> 01:38:15,833
much lead time do you typically have yeah

1169
01:38:15,833 --> 01:38:17,666
it well you know we've always got these

1170
01:38:17,666 --> 01:38:19,541
like you know this is where again

1171
01:38:19,583 --> 01:38:21,291
where I think Mitch and Forrest really

1172
01:38:21,291 --> 01:38:23,208
shine as collaborators and there are

1173
01:38:23,208 --> 01:38:25,000
other people involved it's not just those

1174
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:26,583
two then the pre-production you know

1175
01:38:26,583 --> 01:38:29,125
there's a lot of brain power going on as

1176
01:38:29,125 --> 01:38:31,250
to what can be done and what themes can

1177
01:38:31,250 --> 01:38:33,666
be explored and adventures we can go on

1178
01:38:33,666 --> 01:38:35,958
it's it's it's not just about the science

1179
01:38:35,958 --> 01:38:37,750
to like I really think the adventure

1180
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:40,625
aspect is a big character in these you

1181
01:38:40,625 --> 01:38:42,875
know and play go into these places where

1182
01:38:42,875 --> 01:38:45,833
you know it's a it really is a great way

1183
01:38:45,833 --> 01:38:48,458
that to where if you're you know or not

1184
01:38:48,458 --> 01:38:49,541
going to be leaving your couch and he

1185
01:38:49,583 --> 01:38:50,666
can't get out of here anytime soon it's a

1186
01:38:50,666 --> 01:38:53,041
really good escape I try to make it

1187
01:38:53,041 --> 01:38:54,583
escape we started doing the shark weeks

1188
01:38:54,583 --> 01:38:56,916
during covid you know Dave we were last

1189
01:38:56,916 --> 01:38:59,666
saw each other and then everything shut

1190
01:38:59,666 --> 01:39:01,416
down and I felt like well if everyone's

1191
01:39:01,416 --> 01:39:02,666
gonna be stuck on their couch this summer

1192
01:39:02,666 --> 01:39:04,083
I'm just gonna pour my heart into this

1193
01:39:04,083 --> 01:39:05,500
and it just kind of carried through every

1194
01:39:05,500 --> 01:39:08,291
year after that yeah yeah yeah I think

1195
01:39:08,291 --> 01:39:10,250
that's a man's ago you want to it's like

1196
01:39:10,250 --> 01:39:11,541
it's like you're doing an adventure you

1197
01:39:11,541 --> 01:39:13,250
want you want to bring the audience along

1198
01:39:13,250 --> 01:39:15,291
the people because most most of places

1199
01:39:15,291 --> 01:39:18,000
like force and you guys go and even for

1200
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,291
some of these shark week shows and

1201
01:39:19,791 --> 01:39:21,083
you know places I like to go places

1202
01:39:21,083 --> 01:39:24,458
people don't even know about really are

1203
01:39:24,458 --> 01:39:26,250
very very little about or it's a place

1204
01:39:26,250 --> 01:39:28,333
I'll never go to you know they might just

1205
01:39:28,333 --> 01:39:29,916
see other than seeing it on TV and so I

1206
01:39:29,916 --> 01:39:32,333
think that bringing that kind of home to

1207
01:39:32,333 --> 01:39:34,791
people seeing some place that they might

1208
01:39:34,791 --> 01:39:37,250
learn a little bit about you know I think

1209
01:39:37,250 --> 01:39:39,000
it's always kind of an important aspect

1210
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:42,291
is hugely important in the whole thing so

1211
01:39:42,291 --> 01:39:44,541
but you don't have any as far as any

1212
01:39:44,541 --> 01:39:46,291
shark week shows for next year I mean you

1213
01:39:46,291 --> 01:39:47,166
can't obviously don't

1214
01:39:47,166 --> 01:39:48,541
give stuff away but do you

1215
01:39:49,583 --> 01:39:51,208
have any ideas now or yeah back to your

1216
01:39:51,208 --> 01:39:54,583
question good good point but the the the

1217
01:39:54,583 --> 01:39:56,791
it depends on the cycle you know they

1218
01:39:56,791 --> 01:39:59,416
when they decide it's time to start you

1219
01:39:59,416 --> 01:40:02,291
know green lighting all of these projects

1220
01:40:02,291 --> 01:40:04,375
and it's kind of just like suddenly a big

1221
01:40:04,375 --> 01:40:07,166
title wave goes across the community of

1222
01:40:07,166 --> 01:40:09,500
studios that do shows like these and

1223
01:40:09,500 --> 01:40:11,125
everybody just gets right to work and

1224
01:40:11,125 --> 01:40:13,750
that that will often happen towards the

1225
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:17,166
end of the calendar year into the very

1226
01:40:17,166 --> 01:40:17,583
early maybe early spring at the latest.

1227
01:40:19,583 --> 01:40:21,833
And then you move into production and

1228
01:40:21,833 --> 01:40:23,958
then in that late spring early summer is

1229
01:40:23,958 --> 01:40:27,166
just sweating in the edit pay we got you

1230
01:40:27,166 --> 01:40:29,333
know fans from every direction.

1231
01:40:29,583 --> 01:40:33,541
It's that much of a of a time crunch then

1232
01:40:33,541 --> 01:40:35,875
when you start like early spring so you

1233
01:40:35,875 --> 01:40:37,125
don't do it like in the

1234
01:40:37,125 --> 01:40:38,291
fall or something like that.

1235
01:40:38,625 --> 01:40:41,333
So we always hope to and it always

1236
01:40:41,333 --> 01:40:43,333
depends on the animal that ends up being

1237
01:40:43,333 --> 01:40:46,416
featured in the show and where where they

1238
01:40:46,416 --> 01:40:49,125
are because it's tough you know it's fun

1239
01:40:49,125 --> 01:40:50,791
to go do those deep sea like the really

1240
01:40:50,791 --> 01:40:52,250
deep sea ones with the baited underwater

1241
01:40:52,250 --> 01:40:54,458
cameras because I mean what shows up

1242
01:40:54,458 --> 01:40:57,000
there is amazing but I like to have a

1243
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,541
view of an environment where forest can

1244
01:40:58,541 --> 01:41:00,625
be and I mean forest wants that everybody

1245
01:41:00,625 --> 01:41:02,666
wants to be able to have him actually

1246
01:41:02,666 --> 01:41:03,833
immerse into those places.

1247
01:41:04,583 --> 01:41:06,833
And so I think it's fun to break away

1248
01:41:06,833 --> 01:41:08,291
into some of those deeper sea things but

1249
01:41:08,291 --> 01:41:10,125
when those sharks are up in the shallows

1250
01:41:10,125 --> 01:41:11,958
I mean and they're in those cool looking

1251
01:41:11,958 --> 01:41:13,833
reefs with the sponges everywhere and

1252
01:41:13,833 --> 01:41:16,583
everything it just like really a sight to

1253
01:41:16,583 --> 01:41:18,875
see you know the show has a lot of that.

1254
01:41:19,291 --> 01:41:20,791
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you get it was this

1255
01:41:20,791 --> 01:41:24,250
filmed off of Victoria in Victoria and

1256
01:41:24,250 --> 01:41:29,291
Nelson Bay and it was a yeah Victoria and

1257
01:41:29,291 --> 01:41:31,250
Nelson Bay. I think Nelson Bay might be

1258
01:41:31,250 --> 01:41:32,541
in a different area.

1259
01:41:32,583 --> 01:41:35,791
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Started in Nelson Bay.

1260
01:41:36,208 --> 01:41:38,208
Okay. I just curious what kind of from a

1261
01:41:38,208 --> 01:41:39,916
from a lot. I'm sure people watch and I

1262
01:41:39,916 --> 01:41:41,541
hope everybody watches the show to get a

1263
01:41:41,541 --> 01:41:43,041
kind of see something different and

1264
01:41:43,041 --> 01:41:44,583
stuff. I mean I'm kind of stoked for the

1265
01:41:44,583 --> 01:41:45,916
go show. We have a map

1266
01:41:45,916 --> 01:41:48,333
graphic so you'll see where it is.

1267
01:41:48,666 --> 01:41:50,708
Well, as I told you I have a whole book

1268
01:41:50,708 --> 01:41:52,666
coming out on go sharks the end of the

1269
01:41:52,666 --> 01:41:55,625
actually in January so it'll be very

1270
01:41:55,625 --> 01:41:57,208
timely. We'll have to run you guys have

1271
01:41:57,208 --> 01:41:59,791
to replace your show. Yeah. Book comes

1272
01:41:59,791 --> 01:42:02,166
out so because I mean it's pretty rare

1273
01:42:02,166 --> 01:42:04,333
you see a shark we have

1274
01:42:04,333 --> 01:42:05,333
anything with go sharks.

1275
01:42:05,583 --> 01:42:07,958
It's true. Something big and toothy but

1276
01:42:07,958 --> 01:42:09,833
having something unique like that's

1277
01:42:09,833 --> 01:42:11,958
really pretty interesting. It's pretty

1278
01:42:11,958 --> 01:42:14,416
interesting to see you got another

1279
01:42:14,416 --> 01:42:15,791
question for you when do you guys

1280
01:42:15,791 --> 01:42:17,625
typically will get greenlit for like next

1281
01:42:17,625 --> 01:42:19,791
year's show is it the way the ratings

1282
01:42:19,791 --> 01:42:21,583
come out for like this year or they

1283
01:42:21,583 --> 01:42:23,125
sometimes I'm probably the

1284
01:42:23,125 --> 01:42:24,708
wrong guy to ask about that.

1285
01:42:25,583 --> 01:42:27,083
Okay. You know, being that my involvement

1286
01:42:27,083 --> 01:42:30,375
kind of gets in between ourselves. I said

1287
01:42:30,375 --> 01:42:31,875
we'll keep between ourselves and whoever

1288
01:42:31,875 --> 01:42:35,541
listening to the show. So it's a little

1289
01:42:35,541 --> 01:42:36,833
later in the year though. You don't I

1290
01:42:36,833 --> 01:42:38,875
think so. Yeah. Usually in the later, you

1291
01:42:38,875 --> 01:42:41,000
know, it really depends. I mean, it

1292
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,000
fluctuates. It would be nice if it was,

1293
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,708
you know, sooner because sometimes the

1294
01:42:45,708 --> 01:42:47,375
animals you want to go for are active in

1295
01:42:47,375 --> 01:42:50,000
the fall and in the early winter and you

1296
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,125
know, but it really comes down to there's

1297
01:42:52,125 --> 01:42:53,291
a lot. There's a lot of forces at play.

1298
01:42:53,291 --> 01:42:53,791
So it's like you

1299
01:42:53,791 --> 01:42:54,541
right. You gotta just do it.

1300
01:42:54,916 --> 01:42:58,416
I know my experience not not with you not

1301
01:42:58,416 --> 01:43:00,375
with force but before I did a show with

1302
01:43:00,375 --> 01:43:01,750
you guys a lot of the times they you

1303
01:43:01,750 --> 01:43:04,166
know, they'll when they've contacted me,

1304
01:43:04,166 --> 01:43:05,500
they'll say we want to go and do film

1305
01:43:05,500 --> 01:43:06,833
this show at this time of the year and

1306
01:43:06,833 --> 01:43:08,250
I'm like, well, the sharks aren't there.

1307
01:43:08,250 --> 01:43:11,291
Yeah. Here's here's when you have to go.

1308
01:43:11,291 --> 01:43:12,125
Here's the window. Here's the window and

1309
01:43:12,125 --> 01:43:13,500
I'm just like, is you're wasting your

1310
01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:15,000
time to go now because they're not there

1311
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:16,750
and that turns into like a big back and

1312
01:43:16,750 --> 01:43:18,875
forth because the production guys want to

1313
01:43:18,875 --> 01:43:20,083
go when they want to go and I'm like,

1314
01:43:20,083 --> 01:43:20,916
well, there's not you're not going to see

1315
01:43:20,916 --> 01:43:22,583
anything. They're not there. Yeah. And

1316
01:43:22,583 --> 01:43:23,541
then so I can see that. Yeah.

1317
01:43:23,583 --> 01:43:25,333
So I can see that the timing on that

1318
01:43:25,333 --> 01:43:28,208
work. It's kind of screwy for you if

1319
01:43:28,208 --> 01:43:29,791
especially if it gets into like April,

1320
01:43:29,791 --> 01:43:31,666
May and you got a show it's doing July

1321
01:43:31,666 --> 01:43:34,125
that well that was the way it was when we

1322
01:43:34,125 --> 01:43:37,125
we filmed the mystery of the black demon

1323
01:43:37,125 --> 01:43:39,833
shark in the sea of Cortez which was an

1324
01:43:39,833 --> 01:43:42,625
amazing time. I got to go on this one and

1325
01:43:42,625 --> 01:43:44,875
like this was trying to catch these

1326
01:43:44,875 --> 01:43:47,458
whales and the whale sharks as they were

1327
01:43:47,458 --> 01:43:49,208
coming around the bottom of Cabo San

1328
01:43:49,208 --> 01:43:52,291
Lucas, you know, Baja California and

1329
01:43:52,291 --> 01:43:52,541
ended up chasing out the whale sharks.

1330
01:43:52,583 --> 01:43:53,875
And so we ended up chasing out to an

1331
01:43:53,875 --> 01:43:56,125
island and which would have been a place

1332
01:43:56,125 --> 01:43:57,750
that they would have been gathering lots

1333
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:59,750
of nooks and crannies and stuff and of

1334
01:43:59,750 --> 01:44:01,541
course we found one.

1335
01:44:02,916 --> 01:44:07,041
But that was one where we couldn't shoot

1336
01:44:07,041 --> 01:44:10,458
until I think April 15. I don't even

1337
01:44:10,458 --> 01:44:12,333
think we left the house till April 18. It

1338
01:44:12,333 --> 01:44:15,916
was like just after tax day. And so we

1339
01:44:15,916 --> 01:44:17,791
filmed until May, and then

1340
01:44:17,791 --> 01:44:19,291
came back and had a cut out.

1341
01:44:20,583 --> 01:44:20,708
And so we filmed in the
real time, a

1342
01:44:20,708 --> 01:44:23,458
Memorial day. Or no, it was it was a week

1343
01:44:23,458 --> 01:44:27,416
after. It was something pretty insane. I

1344
01:44:27,416 --> 01:44:30,208
had help that day too on that show too.

1345
01:44:31,166 --> 01:44:32,500
You know, my process would be to go

1346
01:44:32,500 --> 01:44:33,916
through the you know those first initial

1347
01:44:33,916 --> 01:44:34,750
like I said the comp

1348
01:44:34,750 --> 01:44:36,125
real we do that first week.

1349
01:44:38,583 --> 01:44:40,291
spend making an assembly edit with no

1350
01:44:40,291 --> 01:44:42,333
scoring, a little bit of

1351
01:44:42,333 --> 01:44:44,000
dress up, you know, with the

1352
01:44:45,291 --> 01:44:47,791
visuals, but just to get the story

1353
01:44:47,791 --> 01:44:48,958
together, really line it

1354
01:44:48,958 --> 01:44:50,458
all up and get like, get the

1355
01:44:50,458 --> 01:44:53,500
show to like 60 minutes, maybe 70 if

1356
01:44:53,500 --> 01:44:56,583
there's 75, if there's a

1357
01:44:56,583 --> 01:44:58,583
lot of good stuff. And then

1358
01:44:58,583 --> 01:45:00,250
I might enlist the help of someone like

1359
01:45:00,250 --> 01:45:01,250
an Eric Kestin, like I

1360
01:45:01,250 --> 01:45:02,458
mentioned earlier, any

1361
01:45:02,500 --> 01:45:05,041
number of the other collaborators that do

1362
01:45:05,041 --> 01:45:05,666
the kind of thing I

1363
01:45:05,666 --> 01:45:07,041
do on other shows, and

1364
01:45:07,125 --> 01:45:08,416
they kind of even would morph into my

1365
01:45:08,416 --> 01:45:09,250
style a little bit. And

1366
01:45:09,250 --> 01:45:10,166
I might give them like,

1367
01:45:10,583 --> 01:45:12,541
you know, a middle or late section of the

1368
01:45:12,541 --> 01:45:13,500
show so I can work on

1369
01:45:13,500 --> 01:45:14,500
the beginning and then

1370
01:45:14,500 --> 01:45:16,250
they help accelerate things. And that's

1371
01:45:16,250 --> 01:45:17,250
how those time crunches

1372
01:45:17,250 --> 01:45:18,708
work. Like you, you can't

1373
01:45:18,708 --> 01:45:20,375
do the time crunches by yourself. That's

1374
01:45:20,375 --> 01:45:21,208
where it really comes

1375
01:45:21,208 --> 01:45:22,250
into being able to work with

1376
01:45:22,250 --> 01:45:24,458
people and make it happen. You know,

1377
01:45:24,833 --> 01:45:26,083
Well, I was going to say when I did that,

1378
01:45:26,208 --> 01:45:27,250
uh, the show back, I

1379
01:45:27,250 --> 01:45:28,125
mean, the show, we went

1380
01:45:28,125 --> 01:45:29,666
out and got the mega mouth shark. Cause

1381
01:45:29,666 --> 01:45:30,833
that's a very specific

1382
01:45:30,833 --> 01:45:31,833
one. You know, we didn't,

1383
01:45:31,833 --> 01:45:34,666
we didn't film that till May. And because

1384
01:45:34,666 --> 01:45:35,333
I just said like,

1385
01:45:35,333 --> 01:45:36,416
they're not there. And I

1386
01:45:36,500 --> 01:45:38,541
said, the first, the first conditions

1387
01:45:38,541 --> 01:45:39,208
that they were going to

1388
01:45:39,208 --> 01:45:40,666
be there, we went, we went

1389
01:45:40,666 --> 01:45:42,375
there in May, went out there and we got

1390
01:45:42,375 --> 01:45:43,708
one right off, which

1391
01:45:43,708 --> 01:45:44,500
they were obviously pretty

1392
01:45:44,500 --> 01:45:46,125
happy about that. But if we'd have gone

1393
01:45:46,125 --> 01:45:47,416
like a, when they wanted

1394
01:45:47,416 --> 01:45:48,541
to an April or something

1395
01:45:48,541 --> 01:45:51,250
or a week or two, even a week earlier, we

1396
01:45:51,250 --> 01:45:51,833
wouldn't have saw

1397
01:45:51,833 --> 01:45:53,166
them. Cause I just, I know

1398
01:45:53,166 --> 01:45:54,500
cause I knew the guys there, I knew the

1399
01:45:54,500 --> 01:45:55,958
fishermen, I knew they

1400
01:45:55,958 --> 01:45:57,000
said, this is when you'll get

1401
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,500
them. And we went and got, and we got it.

1402
01:45:59,500 --> 01:46:00,500
But I, but that was,

1403
01:46:00,500 --> 01:46:01,500
that was a really tight

1404
01:46:01,500 --> 01:46:03,750
cause they had like basically two months

1405
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:05,333
to pull that one

1406
01:46:05,333 --> 01:46:06,250
together. And I was, that's

1407
01:46:06,250 --> 01:46:08,750
what's kind of curious what your, it's

1408
01:46:08,750 --> 01:46:10,500
often you are, you know,

1409
01:46:10,500 --> 01:46:11,291
you just gotta be clever

1410
01:46:11,291 --> 01:46:13,791
in how you structure your workflow at

1411
01:46:13,791 --> 01:46:16,250
that point. And it's a

1412
01:46:16,250 --> 01:46:17,583
very well choreographed

1413
01:46:17,708 --> 01:46:21,333
thing. Having done it a lot. You know, I

1414
01:46:21,333 --> 01:46:21,875
kind of know what I'm

1415
01:46:21,875 --> 01:46:22,750
in for when I see the

1416
01:46:22,750 --> 01:46:24,125
dates of when they want to propose the

1417
01:46:24,125 --> 01:46:25,291
shoot because the

1418
01:46:25,291 --> 01:46:26,666
deadlines are always the same.

1419
01:46:26,666 --> 01:46:28,333
They usually Memorial day weekend is the

1420
01:46:28,333 --> 01:46:29,458
big rough cuts out to

1421
01:46:29,458 --> 01:46:31,541
the network time. And a

1422
01:46:31,541 --> 01:46:32,958
lot of the network executives are working

1423
01:46:32,958 --> 01:46:34,375
straight through it, you know, cause they

1424
01:46:34,416 --> 01:46:36,583
know they got to get the, their notes

1425
01:46:36,583 --> 01:46:37,708
back to you right away.

1426
01:46:38,125 --> 01:46:39,458
And it's a very quick.

1427
01:46:40,333 --> 01:46:41,791
So that's, that's a part of the process

1428
01:46:41,791 --> 01:46:42,583
too. So you get your,

1429
01:46:42,583 --> 01:46:44,041
sort of your, your rough cut,

1430
01:46:44,041 --> 01:46:46,375
whatever to the network execs, and they

1431
01:46:46,375 --> 01:46:48,000
got to sign off on it before

1432
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,916
you can go to the next step.

1433
01:46:49,916 --> 01:46:52,583
Yeah, usually there's always, there's

1434
01:46:52,583 --> 01:46:53,250
always, they're, they're

1435
01:46:53,250 --> 01:46:54,416
collaborators too. Like it's

1436
01:46:54,416 --> 01:46:56,958
a very collaborative process. You know,

1437
01:46:56,958 --> 01:46:58,583
we do everything to

1438
01:46:58,583 --> 01:46:59,791
make these beautiful shows.

1439
01:47:00,500 --> 01:47:03,791
And at one point I have to get, you know,

1440
01:47:03,791 --> 01:47:04,916
give, give it up to the

1441
01:47:04,916 --> 01:47:06,083
people that I collaborate with

1442
01:47:06,083 --> 01:47:08,166
internally with the studio to be able for

1443
01:47:08,166 --> 01:47:09,083
them to be able to come in

1444
01:47:09,083 --> 01:47:10,583
and say, how about we try this?

1445
01:47:10,583 --> 01:47:12,416
How about we try that and open it up to

1446
01:47:12,416 --> 01:47:14,125
one layer of the onion of

1447
01:47:14,125 --> 01:47:15,833
collaborators. And that,

1448
01:47:15,833 --> 01:47:18,166
that involves, you know, forest at that

1449
01:47:18,166 --> 01:47:20,625
point. That involves other

1450
01:47:20,625 --> 01:47:22,708
Eric, his, his one, another

1451
01:47:22,750 --> 01:47:25,375
Eric, his business partner that they both

1452
01:47:25,375 --> 01:47:26,666
run fantastic as pictures

1453
01:47:26,666 --> 01:47:28,875
together and are, you know,

1454
01:47:30,125 --> 01:47:31,708
they're, they're, they're one and two

1455
01:47:31,708 --> 01:47:33,833
together. And, and then

1456
01:47:33,833 --> 01:47:35,958
once everyone within that

1457
01:47:36,750 --> 01:47:39,375
community is really happy with how it is,

1458
01:47:39,375 --> 01:47:40,958
and it's represents

1459
01:47:40,958 --> 01:47:42,000
what they wanted to look

1460
01:47:42,166 --> 01:47:44,208
and it's polished and the story's clear.

1461
01:47:45,208 --> 01:47:45,833
And, you know, having

1462
01:47:45,833 --> 01:47:47,750
those fresh eyes is, you know,

1463
01:47:48,333 --> 01:47:50,541
and so key for someone like me, because I

1464
01:47:50,541 --> 01:47:51,375
get to that point where

1465
01:47:51,375 --> 01:47:52,333
they're just starting to see it

1466
01:47:52,416 --> 01:47:54,625
and I've seen it a thou more than a

1467
01:47:54,625 --> 01:47:55,916
thousand times. And so

1468
01:47:55,916 --> 01:47:56,875
then they give me their fresh

1469
01:47:56,875 --> 01:48:00,416
perspective and I trust it with my every

1470
01:48:00,416 --> 01:48:02,375
ounce of my gut. But then after that

1471
01:48:02,375 --> 01:48:03,875
phase, then it goes off to

1472
01:48:04,083 --> 01:48:06,041
our collaborators at the network and they

1473
01:48:06,041 --> 01:48:08,291
have been wonderful with us over the

1474
01:48:08,291 --> 01:48:10,833
years. They give us very good notes and

1475
01:48:11,125 --> 01:48:13,416
they have also really good perspective on

1476
01:48:13,416 --> 01:48:14,958
how to just keep elevating

1477
01:48:14,958 --> 01:48:16,000
it all the way through the

1478
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,458
refinement process. So it goes back to

1479
01:48:18,458 --> 01:48:20,125
them after you do the, like the first

1480
01:48:20,125 --> 01:48:20,791
round of changes after

1481
01:48:20,791 --> 01:48:21,958
they've seen it the first time and then

1482
01:48:21,958 --> 01:48:23,625
it goes back to them again and that

1483
01:48:23,625 --> 01:48:25,916
feedback loop is continuous until...

1484
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,666
It's, it's limited. It's maybe two

1485
01:48:28,666 --> 01:48:30,625
rounds. Sometimes there's a third if you

1486
01:48:30,625 --> 01:48:32,458
need a little extra check, but

1487
01:48:33,458 --> 01:48:35,541
they really trust us and we, you know,

1488
01:48:36,208 --> 01:48:39,125
give them exactly what we, you know, want

1489
01:48:39,125 --> 01:48:40,500
them to have and what they want.

1490
01:48:40,833 --> 01:48:42,750
So, but that also comes, that also comes

1491
01:48:42,750 --> 01:48:43,875
with experience too, like

1492
01:48:43,875 --> 01:48:45,250
you've worked with them before

1493
01:48:46,583 --> 01:48:48,750
forever. Yeah. So it comes like they,

1494
01:48:48,750 --> 01:48:50,000
they know the process as

1495
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:51,125
you know the process and

1496
01:48:51,625 --> 01:48:53,291
they know how you guys work, you guys

1497
01:48:53,291 --> 01:48:54,458
know how they work and I think that

1498
01:48:54,458 --> 01:48:55,916
probably helps out right now.

1499
01:48:56,333 --> 01:48:57,458
And it's pretty much been the same people

1500
01:48:57,458 --> 01:48:59,708
too. Yeah. Yeah. Which is

1501
01:48:59,708 --> 01:49:00,708
pretty unusual because like

1502
01:49:00,708 --> 01:49:02,416
said my experience, like it's always a,

1503
01:49:02,416 --> 01:49:03,458
it could be a different crew. You might

1504
01:49:03,458 --> 01:49:04,250
have one or two people

1505
01:49:04,250 --> 01:49:06,166
might be people you've worked with, but

1506
01:49:06,166 --> 01:49:07,458
then a lot of times that the

1507
01:49:07,458 --> 01:49:08,500
other parts of the crew be just

1508
01:49:08,500 --> 01:49:10,125
completely different people. Very few

1509
01:49:10,125 --> 01:49:11,833
changes over the years. I mean, there's

1510
01:49:11,833 --> 01:49:13,083
been a lot of stuff going,

1511
01:49:13,083 --> 01:49:14,583
but you know, very few changes. Yeah.

1512
01:49:14,583 --> 01:49:16,083
It's been good. Yeah. So

1513
01:49:16,083 --> 01:49:16,875
you got any, you got any like

1514
01:49:17,833 --> 01:49:19,458
things people should watch for this year?

1515
01:49:20,041 --> 01:49:20,875
Obviously it should watch your

1516
01:49:21,041 --> 01:49:23,041
tune in to catch your show, Alien Sharks

1517
01:49:23,041 --> 01:49:24,041
Death Down Under. And

1518
01:49:24,041 --> 01:49:25,875
that's on, when's it on?

1519
01:49:26,375 --> 01:49:30,583
Wednesday at 10 PM Eastern time. That's

1520
01:49:30,583 --> 01:49:32,791
Alien Sharks Death Down Under. And then

1521
01:49:33,041 --> 01:49:36,000
Florida's Death Beach is Friday. And that

1522
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,000
was the one that, you know,

1523
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:38,166
you know, Alien Sharks is my

1524
01:49:38,166 --> 01:49:40,125
baby. I did. Oh, I was, Alien Sharks, I

1525
01:49:40,125 --> 01:49:40,916
was able to own a hundred

1526
01:49:40,916 --> 01:49:41,833
percent through the whole thing.

1527
01:49:41,833 --> 01:49:43,625
And I really love being able to do that.

1528
01:49:43,958 --> 01:49:45,541
And then Alien Sharks was that other

1529
01:49:45,541 --> 01:49:46,250
editor, producer editor,

1530
01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:48,500
I mentioned Eric Kestins and he did a

1531
01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:50,666
fabulous job with it along

1532
01:49:50,666 --> 01:49:53,500
with our, our post supervisor,

1533
01:49:54,083 --> 01:49:57,875
Chris Stout, who he's kind of our middle

1534
01:49:57,875 --> 01:49:59,500
fresh eyes. Like we have

1535
01:49:59,500 --> 01:50:01,666
like the, the, our, our jaded

1536
01:50:01,666 --> 01:50:03,083
eyes. And then right before it even goes

1537
01:50:03,083 --> 01:50:04,458
to the forest and Eric,

1538
01:50:04,666 --> 01:50:05,708
you know, kind of people,

1539
01:50:07,041 --> 01:50:09,583
we have somebody who is a hired fresh

1540
01:50:09,583 --> 01:50:12,291
eyes and he provides the most critical

1541
01:50:12,291 --> 01:50:13,041
fresh eyes at the most

1542
01:50:13,041 --> 01:50:15,291
critical moment right after that first

1543
01:50:15,291 --> 01:50:16,708
assembly happens and it's

1544
01:50:16,708 --> 01:50:18,416
time to like give it its first,

1545
01:50:19,041 --> 01:50:21,666
you know, and so he was a wonderful team.

1546
01:50:22,208 --> 01:50:23,875
And I mean, the list could go on. There's

1547
01:50:23,875 --> 01:50:24,916
way more people than that.

1548
01:50:25,166 --> 01:50:27,458
Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, but well, hey,

1549
01:50:27,458 --> 01:50:28,500
Jesse, this has been like super

1550
01:50:28,500 --> 01:50:29,750
interesting and it's very,

1551
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:31,458
we appreciate your insightfulness on the

1552
01:50:31,458 --> 01:50:33,000
whole short week show

1553
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:34,333
and your episodes here and

1554
01:50:35,208 --> 01:50:36,708
maybe it'll make this a regular thing.

1555
01:50:36,708 --> 01:50:37,458
Have you come back next year

1556
01:50:37,458 --> 01:50:38,291
and tell us what all the cool

1557
01:50:38,333 --> 01:50:40,833
stuff's going on and yeah, give us all

1558
01:50:40,833 --> 01:50:43,750
the insight into everything and yeah, but

1559
01:50:43,750 --> 01:50:45,541
thank you so much for taking your time

1560
01:50:45,541 --> 01:50:47,583
out here and I think I'll have to give

1561
01:50:47,583 --> 01:50:50,250
Mitchell a shout out to have him on the

1562
01:50:50,250 --> 01:50:52,666
show here and talk about a different

1563
01:50:52,666 --> 01:50:55,375
perspective on stuff. So anyway, thanks

1564
01:50:55,375 --> 01:50:56,125
very much, Jesse.

1565
01:50:56,416 --> 01:50:57,708
Appreciate you coming on.

1566
01:50:57,708 --> 01:50:58,666
Yeah, definitely appreciate it. Thank you

1567
01:50:58,666 --> 01:51:00,250
for having me. Just keep doing all the

1568
01:51:00,250 --> 01:51:01,916
awesome stuff you guys are doing. I love

1569
01:51:01,916 --> 01:51:03,125
it. Oh, you as well.

1570
01:51:03,458 --> 01:51:04,708
Thanks a lot. We're big fans.

1571
01:51:05,541 --> 01:51:09,500
Thank you again, Jesse, for joining us on

1572
01:51:09,500 --> 01:51:10,583
today's episode of

1573
01:51:10,583 --> 01:51:11,958
the Beyond Jaws podcast.

1574
01:51:12,750 --> 01:51:14,333
David's always fun having Jesse. He's so

1575
01:51:14,333 --> 01:51:15,833
into it. He and I have to admit, like

1576
01:51:15,833 --> 01:51:17,750
he's a huge fan of the podcast. It's

1577
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:20,208
always great to have somebody on who

1578
01:51:20,208 --> 01:51:21,875
listens to the podcast and really gets

1579
01:51:21,875 --> 01:51:24,833
into the people that we have on and loves

1580
01:51:24,833 --> 01:51:26,750
the science and loves the conservation

1581
01:51:26,750 --> 01:51:27,708
that we talk about in

1582
01:51:27,708 --> 01:51:28,791
just the career path.

1583
01:51:29,375 --> 01:51:30,916
Very interesting career path for him.

1584
01:51:31,166 --> 01:51:32,708
We've talked about on the podcast before

1585
01:51:32,708 --> 01:51:35,500
this episode. We really got we dove into

1586
01:51:35,500 --> 01:51:37,416
the production and how production really

1587
01:51:37,416 --> 01:51:38,583
plays a role in editing

1588
01:51:38,583 --> 01:51:39,791
plays a role in storytelling.

1589
01:51:40,250 --> 01:51:41,750
Even just the fact that like going from

1590
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:44,458
like was eight hours or something of

1591
01:51:44,458 --> 01:51:46,958
footage down to four just initially like

1592
01:51:46,958 --> 01:51:48,583
or two to four like just initially just

1593
01:51:48,583 --> 01:51:50,333
to find the great, you know, the great

1594
01:51:50,333 --> 01:51:52,333
action shots and shots that will could

1595
01:51:52,333 --> 01:51:54,125
make it to the final cutting floor.

1596
01:51:54,625 --> 01:51:55,916
What did you think of the interview and

1597
01:51:55,916 --> 01:51:56,875
what he goes through?

1598
01:51:56,875 --> 01:51:58,291
I thought I thought it was interesting. I

1599
01:51:58,291 --> 01:51:59,833
mean, I've been really fascinated how

1600
01:51:59,833 --> 01:52:02,375
just how much time, of course, you and I

1601
01:52:02,375 --> 01:52:04,458
are learning this kind of the hard way

1602
01:52:04,458 --> 01:52:06,583
doing our Searching for Lost Sharks

1603
01:52:06,583 --> 01:52:09,166
documentary series on YouTube at Lost

1604
01:52:09,166 --> 01:52:10,166
Shark guy, by the way,

1605
01:52:10,166 --> 01:52:10,833
on the YouTube channel.

1606
01:52:10,833 --> 01:52:14,333
If you want to check it out and but I

1607
01:52:14,333 --> 01:52:16,083
have to do it ourselves. Now we're really

1608
01:52:16,083 --> 01:52:18,250
getting to see what he does and he's

1609
01:52:18,250 --> 01:52:18,916
doing it a whole different

1610
01:52:18,916 --> 01:52:20,000
level than we're doing it.

1611
01:52:20,041 --> 01:52:21,916
He's been doing this for, you know, he

1612
01:52:21,916 --> 01:52:23,208
actually had went to school and had

1613
01:52:23,208 --> 01:52:25,000
training for it. He's been you kind of

1614
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:26,625
work the steps up the way where you and I

1615
01:52:26,625 --> 01:52:28,041
just kind of jumped into the deep end at

1616
01:52:28,041 --> 01:52:29,791
once try to figure it out.

1617
01:52:29,791 --> 01:52:31,500
But but no, there's a lot so much goes

1618
01:52:31,500 --> 01:52:33,416
into it. And you know, like you said, he

1619
01:52:33,416 --> 01:52:34,958
only works on like a couple of these a

1620
01:52:34,958 --> 01:52:37,416
year and maybe he helps out on another

1621
01:52:37,416 --> 01:52:39,750
episode or two kind of in a

1622
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:41,750
periphery and a peripheral role.

1623
01:52:41,791 --> 01:52:43,750
But you can really see just how much

1624
01:52:43,750 --> 01:52:45,958
enough people realize is how much goes in

1625
01:52:45,958 --> 01:52:49,041
behind the scenes on these episodes to

1626
01:52:49,041 --> 01:52:52,083
come to take all these hours and hours of

1627
01:52:52,083 --> 01:52:53,416
video and just basically

1628
01:52:53,416 --> 01:52:55,291
carve it down to like 42 minutes.

1629
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:58,000
Yeah, really, really. It was and I, I

1630
01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:59,000
thought the other part I thought was

1631
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:00,208
interesting is he talked a little bit

1632
01:53:00,208 --> 01:53:03,083
about how when they do different editions

1633
01:53:03,083 --> 01:53:04,666
like a and I kind of knew this, I guess

1634
01:53:04,666 --> 01:53:05,541
we did a little bit like

1635
01:53:05,541 --> 01:53:06,333
to do foreign editions.

1636
01:53:07,041 --> 01:53:08,583
And that has a different cut that might

1637
01:53:08,583 --> 01:53:11,500
be four or five minutes longer than the

1638
01:53:11,500 --> 01:53:15,500
like the North American version. And so

1639
01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:17,875
so that's a whole added layer. He needs

1640
01:53:17,875 --> 01:53:20,833
to he needs to work with and but I just

1641
01:53:20,833 --> 01:53:22,666
kind of find it fascinating. I think

1642
01:53:22,666 --> 01:53:25,916
people listening to this, they might get

1643
01:53:25,916 --> 01:53:26,750
critical about shark.

1644
01:53:26,750 --> 01:53:28,333
We can certainly things you can be

1645
01:53:28,333 --> 01:53:31,250
critical about. But but you know, it's

1646
01:53:31,250 --> 01:53:33,416
it's interesting how much energy and

1647
01:53:33,416 --> 01:53:35,541
effort they do put into it. Really, when

1648
01:53:35,541 --> 01:53:38,166
you think about it, storytelling and

1649
01:53:38,166 --> 01:53:40,708
being I think being in the field like

1650
01:53:40,708 --> 01:53:43,416
myself and many in my field, you kind of

1651
01:53:43,416 --> 01:53:45,458
look at it a very different way than

1652
01:53:45,458 --> 01:53:46,750
someone who's has no knowledge of it.

1653
01:53:46,750 --> 01:53:49,291
They just flip on shark week or some

1654
01:53:49,291 --> 01:53:51,250
shark show. Yeah, you know, for a week a

1655
01:53:51,250 --> 01:53:53,791
year and that's all their exposure to it.

1656
01:53:54,333 --> 01:53:55,833
And so you kind of hope they put together

1657
01:53:55,833 --> 01:53:58,000
a decent story. They've always got to

1658
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:00,083
have a catchy title that bring somebody

1659
01:54:00,083 --> 01:54:02,458
into to want to watch it.

1660
01:54:02,458 --> 01:54:03,958
Like, why don't want to go watch this?

1661
01:54:03,958 --> 01:54:06,000
You know, if you if it's, you know, death

1662
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,250
down under versus, you know, oh, come

1663
01:54:08,250 --> 01:54:10,541
watch the, you know, plow nose chimeras,

1664
01:54:10,541 --> 01:54:12,458
which is probably not going

1665
01:54:12,458 --> 01:54:14,750
to attract the same audience.

1666
01:54:14,791 --> 01:54:18,083
Right. Right. Right. Yeah. And I, I got

1667
01:54:18,083 --> 01:54:20,166
to say the fact that the that particular

1668
01:54:20,166 --> 01:54:22,333
episode that Forest is doing that Jesse

1669
01:54:22,333 --> 01:54:26,375
added having the those plow nose go

1670
01:54:26,375 --> 01:54:28,625
sharks is kind of the featured thing. I

1671
01:54:28,625 --> 01:54:30,833
kind of warm my heart. I was like, you

1672
01:54:30,833 --> 01:54:34,500
know, I I I sent Forest a message said,

1673
01:54:34,500 --> 01:54:36,958
buddy, you moved way up in my list of

1674
01:54:36,958 --> 01:54:40,291
friends featuring that and still mean

1675
01:54:40,291 --> 01:54:42,208
that that's pretty cool. So I'm

1676
01:54:42,208 --> 01:54:42,708
definitely gonna look

1677
01:54:42,708 --> 01:54:43,750
forward to checking that one out.

1678
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:46,958
Yeah. And seeing exactly what all is

1679
01:54:46,958 --> 01:54:49,291
entailed there with those things. I mean,

1680
01:54:49,291 --> 01:54:52,583
the one thing is those spines are pretty

1681
01:54:52,583 --> 01:54:54,250
I can tell they're pretty nasty and you

1682
01:54:54,250 --> 01:54:55,791
don't want to get impaled by those

1683
01:54:55,791 --> 01:54:58,750
things. They can they can you can

1684
01:54:58,750 --> 01:55:00,666
seriously injure yourself. And as we

1685
01:55:00,666 --> 01:55:03,166
talked about, I mean, I found some of

1686
01:55:03,166 --> 01:55:05,583
those in sharks like in some sharks and

1687
01:55:05,583 --> 01:55:07,416
stuff. And I'm sure sometimes those

1688
01:55:07,416 --> 01:55:08,750
sharks are killed. Right.

1689
01:55:08,791 --> 01:55:11,250
Is we know seal. We know seal sea lions

1690
01:55:11,250 --> 01:55:13,125
have been killed eating them because

1691
01:55:13,125 --> 01:55:15,291
we've seen the carcasses wash up. But I

1692
01:55:15,291 --> 01:55:17,041
don't think people sometimes the sharks

1693
01:55:17,041 --> 01:55:18,708
may die that way. And unless it one

1694
01:55:18,708 --> 01:55:20,875
happens to wash up, you're not gonna not

1695
01:55:20,875 --> 01:55:22,750
gonna see it. So it's right. There is

1696
01:55:22,750 --> 01:55:25,250
some there is a threaded truth to the

1697
01:55:25,250 --> 01:55:28,916
whole story about that. And so I love to

1698
01:55:28,916 --> 01:55:30,916
see what Forest and Jesse have in store

1699
01:55:30,916 --> 01:55:33,750
for us on Wednesday night. I'm looking

1700
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:35,041
forward to it. I think it's gonna be a

1701
01:55:35,041 --> 01:55:36,333
lot of fun. I think it's

1702
01:55:36,333 --> 01:55:37,458
gonna be really interesting.

1703
01:55:37,791 --> 01:55:39,416
I want really, I want people to really

1704
01:55:39,416 --> 01:55:41,458
like really look out for the science and

1705
01:55:41,458 --> 01:55:43,250
let us know what you thought about the

1706
01:55:43,250 --> 01:55:46,625
episode. So that's on July 23rd at 10

1707
01:55:46,625 --> 01:55:50,000
o'clock Eastern time. Check that out. So

1708
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,666
it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of fun

1709
01:55:51,666 --> 01:55:54,500
to check it out. So again, Jesse, thank

1710
01:55:54,500 --> 01:55:55,916
you so much for joining us. We're looking

1711
01:55:55,916 --> 01:55:57,375
forward to having you back on talk more

1712
01:55:57,375 --> 01:55:58,958
production. You know, one thing actually

1713
01:55:58,958 --> 01:56:01,250
before I before I say before we say

1714
01:56:01,250 --> 01:56:02,958
goodbye, the one thing that really gets

1715
01:56:02,958 --> 01:56:04,791
me is kind of mentioned earlier, Dave, is

1716
01:56:04,791 --> 01:56:06,750
how they have to fit a certain time slot.

1717
01:56:07,083 --> 01:56:09,375
You know, and they have to tell the story

1718
01:56:09,375 --> 01:56:11,166
within like 42 minutes and 30 seconds or

1719
01:56:11,166 --> 01:56:12,750
whatever that might be. And then in the

1720
01:56:12,750 --> 01:56:15,916
foreign, like in another, I guess, market

1721
01:56:15,916 --> 01:56:18,041
is a foreign market, they add five

1722
01:56:18,041 --> 01:56:19,291
minutes or two minutes or three minutes,

1723
01:56:19,291 --> 01:56:21,250
which that's a lot in storytelling. And

1724
01:56:21,250 --> 01:56:23,125
that could be a lot more, a lot different

1725
01:56:23,125 --> 01:56:25,291
in terms of how the story plays out. You

1726
01:56:25,291 --> 01:56:26,791
and I, we've been working on the last

1727
01:56:26,791 --> 01:56:29,458
shark guy series in the extinct or alive.

1728
01:56:29,458 --> 01:56:32,166
We're lucky. We it's a YouTube video. And

1729
01:56:32,166 --> 01:56:34,250
so it goes on. It can go on for as long

1730
01:56:34,250 --> 01:56:35,125
as we want. We try and

1731
01:56:35,125 --> 01:56:35,750
keep it, you know, short.

1732
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:37,500
You know, short to make sure that it's

1733
01:56:37,500 --> 01:56:39,375
the sink, but we don't have to fit it

1734
01:56:39,375 --> 01:56:41,375
within a certain time span. I think that

1735
01:56:41,375 --> 01:56:43,583
would be a challenge in and of itself for

1736
01:56:43,583 --> 01:56:46,916
us. Yeah, but it's it's it's it's

1737
01:56:46,916 --> 01:56:48,916
definitely a challenge that we respect

1738
01:56:48,916 --> 01:56:51,625
and everybody who gets to be a part of

1739
01:56:51,625 --> 01:56:54,000
that to actually put it within that same

1740
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:56,458
length each and every time. So that's a

1741
01:56:56,458 --> 01:56:58,166
it's a really cool thing that I want to

1742
01:56:58,166 --> 01:57:00,208
shout out Jesse for doing and his team.

1743
01:57:00,875 --> 01:57:02,750
But thank you again, Jesse, for joining

1744
01:57:02,750 --> 01:57:04,750
us. So people want to watch again, July 23rd. It's a really cool thing to do.

1745
01:57:04,750 --> 01:57:06,833
And then on July 23rd, it's alien sharks

1746
01:57:06,833 --> 01:57:09,708
down under at 10 o'clock Eastern time.

1747
01:57:10,166 --> 01:57:13,041
And then Florida's death beach is on July

1748
01:57:13,041 --> 01:57:16,750
25th Friday at 9 p.m. Eastern. And since

1749
01:57:16,750 --> 01:57:18,000
it's Shark Week, if you want to check out

1750
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,083
our YouTube channel, yeah, at law shark

1751
01:57:20,083 --> 01:57:23,708
guy on on YouTube series searching for

1752
01:57:23,708 --> 01:57:25,708
lost sharks extinct or live shorter

1753
01:57:25,708 --> 01:57:27,458
videos, but they're really informative.

1754
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:32,375
So check that out.

1755
01:57:32,375 --> 01:57:34,333
Absolutely. Check it out. It's going to

1756
01:57:34,333 --> 01:57:36,166
be a lot of fun. We'll put the link in

1757
01:57:36,166 --> 01:57:38,208
the show notes so you can click over and

1758
01:57:38,208 --> 01:57:39,416
watch those. And of course, give us

1759
01:57:39,416 --> 01:57:40,583
feedback. Let us know what you think in

1760
01:57:40,583 --> 01:57:42,416
that in those comments. But Dave, if

1761
01:57:42,416 --> 01:57:43,666
people want to get a hold of you other

1762
01:57:43,666 --> 01:57:45,291
than going to the lost shark YouTube

1763
01:57:45,291 --> 01:57:48,541
channel, how do so Instagram? It's lost

1764
01:57:48,541 --> 01:57:49,500
shark guy on Instagram.

1765
01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:52,875
And same with Facebook.

1766
01:57:56,791 --> 01:57:57,708
So, you know, we're going to keep it up

1767
01:57:57,708 --> 01:57:59,750
and leave it. Leave us a message. So

1768
01:57:59,750 --> 01:58:01,291
wonderful. And if you guys want to get a

1769
01:58:01,291 --> 01:58:03,416
hold of either Dave or I, you can go to

1770
01:58:03,416 --> 01:58:05,708
law shark guy or beyond Jaws Pod. Leave

1771
01:58:05,708 --> 01:58:07,375
message there as well. We want to thank

1772
01:58:07,375 --> 01:58:09,666
you so much. Jesse, thank you so much as

1773
01:58:09,666 --> 01:58:11,125
well as Dave. Of course, it's always fun

1774
01:58:11,125 --> 01:58:13,125
to do a podcast with you. And I want to

1775
01:58:13,125 --> 01:58:14,333
thank the audience for listening to us.

1776
01:58:14,333 --> 01:58:15,916
We really appreciate it. This has been

1777
01:58:15,916 --> 01:58:17,666
another episode of the beyond just

1778
01:58:17,666 --> 01:58:19,041
podcast. Have a great day. We'll talk to

1779
01:58:19,041 --> 01:58:20,166
you next time. Enjoy Shark

1780
01:58:20,166 --> 01:58:21,541
Week and happy conservation.