Climate Crisis and Capitalism: David Suzuki on Why We Must Rethink Everything

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In 1988, the world's top scientists warned
us climate change was our greatest threat.

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After nuclear war, we heard the
alarm, but we hit the snooze button

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year after year, decade after decade.

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Meanwhile, emissions climbed,
ecosystems crumbled, and

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tipping points passed quietly.

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David Suzuki, once hopeful,
now sounds a different note.

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It might be too late.

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He doesn't blame science.

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The evidence has been clear all along.

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He blames the systems politics
obsessed with power and economies

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addicted to endless growth.

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We choose short-term profits over
long-term survival, quarterly

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gains over planetary health.

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Suzuki says If these systems won't change,
then maybe we should stop pretending.

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Stop pretending we're gonna solve the
crisis and start bracing for what's coming

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because if we keep prioritizing money over
nature, giving up might not be a choice.

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It'll be a consequence.

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We're gonna react to David
Suzuki's controversial comment on

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a CBC news radio station that he
made, and we're gonna talk about.

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Maybe he regrets a little of it and
says that we still should keep fighting.

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We're gonna talk about all this
stuff on this episode of the How

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to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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Let's start the show.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another exciting episode
of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin, and
this is the podcast where you find

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out what's happening with the ocean,
how you could speak up for the

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ocean, and what you can do to live
for a better ocean by taking action.

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And on today's episode, we're gonna be
talking about something that is very

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familiar to a lot of conservationists,
a lot of ocean scientists, and just

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wildlife scientists in general.

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We're gonna be talking about climate
change and how we feel at certain times.

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When we discuss climate change,
whether it's in an interview, whether

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it is with somebody in our family or
in our friend group, and how we talk

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about it, because there's sometimes
where we talk very positively.

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We're very optimistic of the changes that
we're seeing maybe behind the scenes or

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in our work, and we see little changes get
bigger and bigger and bigger, and every

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once in a while we see a huge change,
whether it be in policy, a government,

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what have you, it doesn't matter.

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We start to see this change
and other times we just

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start to be really realistic.

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And we start to really wonder all
these things that are happening over

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time and are happening recently.

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Whether we're really serious about
protecting the environment and are we

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serious about protecting the environment
over the economy and politics?

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That seems to have changed what we used to
do compared to what we do now and not for

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the better and not to help climate change.

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There was a recent interview.

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That was done by David Suzuki.

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If you don't know who David Suzuki
is, David Suzuki is a renowned

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Canadian geneticist, environmentalist,
author and science broadcaster,

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best known for his lifelong
dedication to promoting environmental

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awareness and climate action.

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Born in 1936 in Vancouver,
British Columbia.

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He began his career as a geneticist,
earning a PhD in zoology from

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the University of Chicago, and
later became a professor at the

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University of British Columbia.

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Suzuki rose to prominence as the longtime
host of the nature of things, a CBC

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television program that brought science
and environmental issues into Canadian

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households for over four decades.

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Think about David Attenborough.

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That was Canadian.

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He authored more than 50 books,
including The Sacred Balance and

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a co-founded the David Suzuki
Foundation, a nonprofit focused.

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On the environmental research,
education, and advocacy over the

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years, David Suzuki has become one
of the most influential voices in the

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global environmental movement, known
for speaking out on climate change,

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biodiversity loss, indigenous rights,
and the failures of modern political

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and economic systems to protect.

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The natural world.

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His work has earned him numerous awards,
including the Order of Canada, the UNESCO

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Coalinga Prize for science communication,
and multiple honorary degrees.

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Despite controversy and criticism
from some political and industrial

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groups, Suzuki remains a fearless
advocate for urgent climate action,

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social justice, and to the protection
of Earth's life support systems.

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That is the basis of it.

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I grew up watching David Suzuki on the
nature of things, a CBC classic, and I

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don't know if it still continues today,
but David Suzuki has been that voice.

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When I first came out with Speak Up for
Blue, I had this list of ocean leaders

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that I wanted to discuss and I would
contact each one of them and say, Hey.

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Can I put your name down on my
website as an ocean leader where

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if they click on your name, it'll
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So that one was gonna lead to
the David Suzuki Foundation or

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others that I really admired, and
I had a whole list on the website.

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I don't have that now, but I have
to admit, when I contacted David

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Suzuki Foundation and David Suzuki.

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This was during a very
controversial time in Canada.

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Anyway, the Prime Minister
was Prime Minister Harper.

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Uh, he was a staunch conservative,
very right wing, very pro oil and gas

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and natural resource exploitation.

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And David Suzuki and him had a back
and forth over the airwaves and

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not like face to face, but they
definitely were critical of each other.

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In fact, prime Minister Harper wanted
almost at one point called them an

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eco-terrorist, which was incredibly
irresponsible of a politician when

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they don't hear what they want.

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We probably heard that before recently.

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If they don't hear what they like,
they start to criticize and they

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start to call people terrorists,
especially on the ecological level.

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So it was a very tense time in
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sort of time period, if you really think
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2015 until the trio government got in.

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Now, since then.

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It's been very interesting to see
the progression that we've made

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towards climate change and changing
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well as kind of going away from it
at the same time here in Canada.

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Our economy is based on natural resources.

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Our major natural resource
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There are a lot of battles within on
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especially on the East coast for, you
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course in Alberta and even Northern
Saskatchewan, to be able to take out

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the natural gas as well as oil, the
tar sands, to export more oil and give

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more profits, not only the province,
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And so when oil prices dip
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When they go up, we go.

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And sometimes you can't
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I can't make two sense of it a lot of the
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in a while and we have to deal with it.

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Unfortunately, as we progress and we
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for politics and economical reasons
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to be always third place or even less.

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We start to see more climate
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There was an interview that was
done on CBC news that I'm gonna

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be reacting to in just a moment.

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I wanna set it up a little bit.

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David Suzuki is speaking to a CBC host.

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It's almost looks like CBC radio,
but now they're putting all on tv.

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Of course, YouTube, I'm
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Everything.

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A talk show can always
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And you can see throughout the interview
that David Suzuki is not happy.

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He is frustrated.

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He is just seeing the reality of
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we've made towards reducing
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And so he talks about that.

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You're gonna see a very frustrated person.

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I want you to remember this guy is a
scientist, a world-renowned scientist.

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He's taught many years.

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He lives what he preaches and he's
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But you can tell he's older now.

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He's in his eighties and he's fed up.

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He's fed up with the decisions
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Harper Administration has been in.

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And it's just been people started to
criticize 'cause he is always negative.

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But to be honest, he's been a realist for
a long time and if they don't like what

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he hears, then they just don't like him.

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So we're gonna talk a couple
of themes that we're gonna do.

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I don't know if I'll go through
the entire video, but we are

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definitely gonna react to some of it.

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So let's get into that and let's
start reacting to some of it.

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I'm just gonna play it from the beginning.

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This is from CBC News.

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I'll put the link in the show notes so
that you can access it, so that you can

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watch it from YouTube or from wherever.

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I found this on YouTube.

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So here, let's just listen
in and see what is happening.

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I think the science has been in now
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Um, you know, uh, when we had the
best environment minister we've ever

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had in Canada, in Steven Guilbeault.

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Um, you know, I, I told him you can't
even tell us the truth how bad it is.

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There's, uh, we, we haven't taken
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really change the way that we behave,
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Uh, we've got now a prime Minister
who thanks to Mr. Trump, uh, got

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elected to everyone's surprise.

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Now I wanna talk a little
bit about this part here.

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As I said, I'm gonna be
stopping a couple of times.

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You know, before this last election
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the official Prime Minister, he
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Once Prime Minister Trudeau resigned,
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had an election pretty much within
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appointed because he wanted to make
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It was a surprise win for sure,
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The reason why he got in was because,
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January of 2025, depending on when
you're watching this, and he decided

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that he was going to attack Canada and
the world apparently through terrorists.

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But he kept talking about how not only was
Canada, you know, quote unquote unfair in

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terms of the trade that we were doing with
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because, you know, Trump did negotiate the
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agreement between Mexico, Canada, and the
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it was the worst trade deal of all time.

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Even though he's the one who negotiated,
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first term and said, Hey, this was
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You know, it is what it is.

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This is what Trump does, and I don't
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it really shaped the election for Canada.

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We had somebody that was running for
Prime Minister, for the liberals who,

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and for you guys in the United States.

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It's like the Democrats for
Canada, who was a banker.

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He had a lot of international experience.

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He had worked with the Great
Britain during the Brexit that time.

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And that transfer over, and they
loved him there for the most part,

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except for one Prime Minister who was
a Prime Minister for about 45 days.

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She didn't like him, but
everybody else seemed to like him.

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He has a pretty good rapport
there and reputation.

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He was the chair of the Bank
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now he's the Prime Minister.

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He became the Prime Minister because
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his international economic experience.

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And that was a confidence vote.

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For us, the person he was running
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international economic experience.

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He wasn't a banker.

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He was more of a lifelong politician.

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So people are like, Hey, you know what?

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Even though liberals weren't projected to
win before this started, they became the

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fan favorite because of this type of deal.

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Now, with that said, Mark Carney as a
prime minister is pretty much center left.

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You know, some can argue
center right at times.

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He's a banker, so he is very
conservative in what he moves.

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He wants to equate everything.

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He likes to be socially and fiscally
responsible, so that's most conservative

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as well as liberal, even, you know, NDPs
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So a little bit more to the
left, depending on what he's

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looking at, which seems fair.

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Canada, well.

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Apart from the last like 10, 15
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center left or center right.

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We don't really fare that far off from
the center, but the problem is, is

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now because of the pressure of Trump,
Trump 1.1 Canada to be the 51st state,

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obviously that got rejected right away.

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I think what became a joke became kind of
serious and the Trump sort of rhetoric of

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the people were refuting that right away.

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But it definitely united Canada
during this election in making

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sure that the right people got
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the right people to get voted in.

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Sure, there's some people who
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regardless, that's what happened.

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But because of that pressure from
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about here is we had to start to look
elsewhere for a oil and gas partner,

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because the US was going to put 10%
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We had finished a pipeline under the
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he first started, where the pipeline
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So China and other Asian
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And then now there's talk that what
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pipeline to go from Alberta all the way
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which is a big place if you don't know.

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So the start of talking about
building that is happening.

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get away from under the last government.

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Here's the problem is that we start
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is where Davis Suzuki starts talking
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And he's got a point here, and
there's no one that I've met who's,

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uh, who knows more, uh, about the
climate crisis than Mark Carney.

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I mean, he's written about it,
um, before he became a politician.

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Um, but he's still
talking about pipelines.

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You know, the Secretary
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Antonio Gutierrez said years
ago, any further investment

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in fossil fuel infrastructure
is moral and economic madness.

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What have we been doing?

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You know, how many billions have
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The Southern pipeline, the
Transmountain pipeline?

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We're talking about more, you know, like.

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One of the things that Antonio Gutierrez
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with prominence saying it like it is.

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You know, we're digging our own grave.

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And when you're doing that, the
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Now here's, I wanna talk another
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Not only has Canada come out with
prioritizing these types of energy

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projects, so, you know, even though
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projects with fossil fuels as well
as renewables, or they're saying they

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are, there's definitely more investment
right now or some investment into.

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Oil and gas more than what we
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Not surprising because of the
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fact that they're putting tariffs
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other countries and not just US.

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I think it's like 90 to 95% of our
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are main client in that respect.

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They get a lot of their oil and gas
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we're not just stuck with that.

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Our prices are low because of
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tied so much to the oil and gas.

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That makes a big deal.

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So when we're talking about the future,
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see the pressure of more oil and gas
talk happening, and again, it comes

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down to, even though Mark Carney and
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climate change, how much can we do it?

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How much can we do?

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We continue to develop oil and gas and
not reduce it as that we were told a

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while ago and under the Paris Agreement,
that's what we should be doing.

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But we continue to do that and there's
a lot, this is not an easy thing.

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It's not just a matter of like, let's
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our energy use because it's easy.

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You know, it's not easy.

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There are a lot of jobs
that are tied to it.

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There's a lot of politics tied to it.

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There's a lot of lobby
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And on the other side, there's a lot of
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who are trying to reduce that amount
because we care about the planet.

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And you know, others
care more about profit.

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Some people care about their
jobs and their livelihoods,

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and that's where it gets really
contested when it comes into this.

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So it's never an easy decision.

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And for those of you who are gonna
comment, this is an easy decision.

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Either way.

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It's not an easy decision.

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It's a very complex
problem that Canada's in.

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It's put themselves in for a long time.

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Even though a lot of our energy, about
80% of our energy is renewable, we still

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use and export a lot of fossil fuels,
and if we're continuing to develop that

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to export them more, we're gonna be
contributing more towards climate change

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worldwide because we're exporting and
we're developing our market so that we're

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gonna be producing more oil and gas.

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That's my understanding of it.

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If it's a different
understanding, please let me know.

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Love to have you on the
show to discuss that.

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That's what he's talking about here.

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We're digging our own grave
and continuing to do that.

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So let's continue on
with what he had to say.

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We're still arguing about fossil fuels
and the future in our economy and,

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and tell me about that because here
we are, of course, we have this threat

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of terrorists from the United States.

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We have everyone agreeing that Canada
needs to be more self-sufficient,

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more independent, and and more clear
of the United States when it comes to

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trading and to find better partners.

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Part of that is we need to exploit the
resources that we have in this country.

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Whether those are mineral resources,
whether it's natural gas, or whether

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it's bitumen, buried in the dirt.

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Um, and when people, you can
see David Suzuki starting to get

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frustrated by this because this has
been the rhetoric for a long time.

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You know, we have these natural resources.

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We need to get them out of the
ground for our economy to stabilize.

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So this is gonna be an interesting answer
while we're having these conversations.

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Now it's as though climate
change doesn't exist.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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And you know, when, uh, um, when
this whole 51st State issue came

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up and, uh, you know, people
began to say, buy Canadian.

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And I said to my wife, okay, you're
going shopping for groceries this week.

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Only get food that is grown
and, and, uh, made in Canada.

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We'll starve then.

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You know, you look at, we are one of
the bread baskets of the world, and

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we can't even feed our own people with
food grown in, in our own country.

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Why?

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Because of globalization.

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Globalization is, is,
uh, is a problem now.

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And, uh, you know, the most powerful,
the richest country in the world is

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elected a man who is a climate denier.

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And, um, you know, we're
at this critical point.

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This happens a lot too.

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It's not just down south where you know
Donald Trump is a climate change denier.

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This happens in a lot of cases where
one party over the other thinks

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that climate change is not real.

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The other party thinks it's real,
not just in the US, not just in

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Canada, but you have a lot of other
countries who do the same thing.

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And there governments flip flops every
so often, whether it's four years, five

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years, 10 years, whatever that might be.

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They flip flop every so often.

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And the changes in policies you
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And we saw that with Trump.

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Every time he comes in, he takes the
US out of the Paris Climate Agreement.

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He reduces a lot of the regulations
for the EPA, for NOAA and a

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number of different environmental
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Does whatever he can to deregulate.

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And to make sure that oil and gas
and fossil fuel companies can do

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better and can develop more because
they think that's the way to go.

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That's the old school way of thinking.

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You know, develop fossil fuels
and exploit natural resources and

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we will be able to do it so well.

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Now in Canada, we had the federal and
Ontario provincial governments both

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put in policies that actually allow the
deregulation of species at risk act for

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both federal and the Ontario province
and allows more development to happen.

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So in the federal government, it'll be oil
and gas projects and pipeline projects.

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'cause there's a lot of environmental
regulations that you have to go

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through to make sure that you are not
destroying the environment as you're

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putting in these pipelines every
time you cross a water, a river, or a

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stream or a lake, you have to make sure
that you go under the proper process.

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If they're in a species at
risk, it slows down the process.

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And every time it's slow.

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It's slow.

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It's slow for a reason to make sure
that we're not destroying the habitat

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of these species, but also to making
sure that we're not destroying the

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environment for our general health.

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And so a lot of people just see that
from the business side, Hey, we're

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just gonna forget the environment.

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We want to move faster on this.

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It's better for the economy, and
that's the excuse that they use

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over and over and over again.

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And even there's, I think they're both
Bill C-5s for the federal government

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and the Ontario government where they're
actually stomping on indigenous rights

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to take away the decision making for
indigenous peoples and to be able

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to, you know, put that together.

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So it's a really interesting situation
that we're in where we're seeing

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a lot of environmental regulations
get deregulated to allow for this

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push of fossil fuel industries.

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And you know, David Suzuki's tired of it.

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A lot of us are tired of it
and we kind of saw this coming.

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I kind of agree that we have
to do this, but I hate it.

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I hate the fact that we have
to do this because it's gonna

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ruin our environment even more.

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The science has been in for decades in
1988 at a major international conference

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in Toronto, the delegate, uh, opened by
newly elected, uh, prime Minister Brian

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Mulroney keynote address by the Prime
Minister of Norway Gro Harlem Brundtland,

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Steven Lewis chaired the sessions.

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At the end of that, in 1988, they
said global warming, we called

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it global warming, back then
represents a threat second only

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to an all out global nuclear war.

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And that was it.

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They made a call for a 20% reduction in
greenhouse gas emissions in 15 years.

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If we had done it, we would've
saved billions of dollars and

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many, many countless lives, and
we didn't do anything, you know.

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That really hit me.

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I forgot about that because I
was a kid when that happened.

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And if we had been able to, you know,
reduce our emissions back then by 20%,

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maybe we could have been on a better path.

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But what happened during that time
was where the misinformation level

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increased by fossil fuel companies.

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That's where you started to see companies
like Imperial Oil and others start to

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shell out these reports that climate
change wasn't actually happening.

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Really getting into the political
parties and you know, having one

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political party just deny it.

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Other political parties are for reducing
climate change and to really put a

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divide politically in how you voted.

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So if you are a Democrat or a liberal
here in Canada, if you weren't gonna

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vote for conservatives because they
were anti-climate, if environment

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was an anti-climate action.

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if the environment was important to
you, if the economy was important

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to you, that was going against
the environment 'cause that's how

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the fossil fuel economists saw it.

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It's like, hey, you're
impeding job creation, you're

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impeding money for Canada.

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You're impeding money for your
country, wherever country you do.

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This happens all the time.

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And they were shown to say, yeah, we lied.

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Like we allowed this
misinformation to get through.

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And some of them are paying the
price in courts right now as they're

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getting sued for that misinformation.

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But they did it for decades and it
worked instead of taking those 15 years

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from 1988 and onwards and reducing
our emissions by 20% therein, right?

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Just solving the problem at that point
or getting closer to solving the problem.

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We would've been in a much
better situation than we are now.

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Now we are seeing the consequences.

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Now we are seeing the consequences of
our lack of action over the last 40,

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50, 60 years when climate change was
first sort of discovered and ignored

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throughout that entire time, and now
we're starting to see the consequences in.

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More earthquakes, more volcanoes, tsunami
warnings, especially since recent, we're

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starting to see increased sea surface
temperature, coral reef bleaching.

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We're starting to see storm
surges are increasing.

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Sea level rises increasing.

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Storms are increasing in intensity, and
there are happening more frequently.

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So a thousand year, 100 year, 10
year storms are no longer, you

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know, relevant at this point.

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That was how we used it in the past.

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We are seeing those more than a
hundred years since the last a

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hundred year storm or 10 years.

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We're seeing those every like 2,
3, 4 or five years, and they're

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happening more and more often, and
they're creating more in damage,

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which we have to pay the money for.

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We never really talk about how much
money is paid for that and wasted

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on paying for, you know, cleaning up
something that we could have cleaned

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00:23:42,658 --> 00:23:45,268
up before is clean up the consequences
of stuff we cleaned up where we

453
00:23:45,268 --> 00:23:46,888
wouldn't have seen those consequences.

454
00:23:46,888 --> 00:23:48,658
We rarely talk about those.

455
00:23:48,838 --> 00:23:52,018
Now, I'm not gonna continue on
because this is gonna be a longer

456
00:23:52,018 --> 00:23:54,868
video, but David Suzuki does go
on and say, Hey, you know what?

457
00:23:55,233 --> 00:23:59,733
We continue to prioritize politics
and economy over the environment.

458
00:23:59,763 --> 00:24:01,443
That seems to be what he's saying here.

459
00:24:01,443 --> 00:24:06,243
Until we stop doing that, we're not
gonna see a change in climate change.

460
00:24:06,513 --> 00:24:09,453
We're not gonna be able
to go back and be okay.

461
00:24:09,633 --> 00:24:10,593
We're in a time now.

462
00:24:10,593 --> 00:24:13,293
If we continue on this path,
we're just gonna have to adapt.

463
00:24:14,123 --> 00:24:17,933
Just suffer the consequences until
we can't do anything after that.

464
00:24:18,233 --> 00:24:18,623
You know?

465
00:24:18,623 --> 00:24:21,923
Only one thing we can do is just
accept the consequences after a certain

466
00:24:21,923 --> 00:24:24,983
time, because at some point there's
a tipping point where we just can't

467
00:24:24,983 --> 00:24:27,533
go back and we're getting closer
and closer to that tipping point,

468
00:24:27,713 --> 00:24:29,093
whether you agree with me or not.

469
00:24:29,273 --> 00:24:31,913
That's just the fact is happening
and we're seeing it now.

470
00:24:31,913 --> 00:24:35,328
We're starting to see all these
different consequences that are coming

471
00:24:35,328 --> 00:24:38,838
up and coming up, and we're seeing
larger and larger scale consequences.

472
00:24:39,018 --> 00:24:42,858
Case in point, the tsunami that
we had recently because of an 8.8

473
00:24:42,858 --> 00:24:46,638
magnitude earthquake, which is
pretty rare in the sea at this point.

474
00:24:46,671 --> 00:24:51,111
You know, last time it happened was in
2011 where we had a tsunami in Japan that

475
00:24:51,111 --> 00:24:54,891
killed hundreds of thousands of people,
plus almost caused a nuclear power plant

476
00:24:54,951 --> 00:24:58,701
to go on the fritz, which I'm saying that
lightly because that's not what we want.

477
00:24:59,306 --> 00:25:00,956
Regardless, this is what
he continues to say.

478
00:25:00,956 --> 00:25:02,996
Now he hid a lot of
criticism because of it.

479
00:25:03,446 --> 00:25:05,186
You know, people are
saying, Hey, you know what?

480
00:25:05,186 --> 00:25:06,896
He got a lot of flack for it.

481
00:25:07,106 --> 00:25:08,366
Why is he talking about this?

482
00:25:08,366 --> 00:25:09,416
He's just an old man.

483
00:25:09,416 --> 00:25:10,826
You know, he is just
grumpy and this and that.

484
00:25:10,946 --> 00:25:12,806
It's because he is been
fighting all this time.

485
00:25:13,046 --> 00:25:18,656
But because of that flack, there was
another video done on CBC, and this

486
00:25:18,656 --> 00:25:23,006
is where I find it really interesting,
where you see conservationists,

487
00:25:23,006 --> 00:25:27,386
activists, and environmentalists start
to really go back and forth between

488
00:25:27,386 --> 00:25:30,561
reality and pessimism and optimism.

489
00:25:30,561 --> 00:25:33,261
And it depends on some of these
reasons and the personal reasons.

490
00:25:33,261 --> 00:25:34,671
So I'm gonna show you another clip.

491
00:25:34,671 --> 00:25:36,351
This is on TikTok that I found this.

492
00:25:36,441 --> 00:25:37,671
It's with CBC again.

493
00:25:37,671 --> 00:25:42,351
It's actually David Suzuki speaking
with his daughter, Sarika Cullis-Suzuki,

494
00:25:42,651 --> 00:25:46,731
about the comments that he made and
him just being like, did I say that?

495
00:25:46,791 --> 00:25:47,811
Is that something I said?

496
00:25:47,841 --> 00:25:48,981
Oh wow, you have kids.

497
00:25:49,011 --> 00:25:51,921
I want their grandkids not
to have to go through this.

498
00:25:51,921 --> 00:25:55,076
And it scares me every time that
I hear about this type of news,

499
00:25:55,076 --> 00:25:58,406
so I want you to just kind of see
this happening and we're just gonna

500
00:25:58,406 --> 00:26:00,056
kinda listen to it as we go through.

501
00:26:00,056 --> 00:26:00,776
So here it is.

502
00:26:01,556 --> 00:26:03,656
Sometimes I hear you
say, what's the point?

503
00:26:04,226 --> 00:26:07,736
And then, um, your actions speaks
so much louder than your words.

504
00:26:07,736 --> 00:26:10,646
You're always on the front lines,
you're always saying something.

505
00:26:10,646 --> 00:26:13,796
You're always making these shows
talk about important issues

506
00:26:13,796 --> 00:26:15,536
like you haven't given up.

507
00:26:15,626 --> 00:26:16,886
No, of course not.

508
00:26:16,886 --> 00:26:21,356
Because when you have children and
grandchildren, you have no choice.

509
00:26:21,696 --> 00:26:27,336
My agony now is that I know there's
gonna be a turbulent life ahead for

510
00:26:27,336 --> 00:26:31,296
your your children, and I'm not gonna
be there to help fight for them.

511
00:26:31,596 --> 00:26:36,486
I remember when I told you I was
pregnant for the first time and

512
00:26:36,696 --> 00:26:38,436
you couldn't even look at me.

513
00:26:38,466 --> 00:26:40,056
You were so upset.

514
00:26:40,056 --> 00:26:40,806
Is that true?

515
00:26:40,806 --> 00:26:41,436
Yes.

516
00:26:41,466 --> 00:26:45,306
For the whole, so you, I'm sorry you
were, the next day I said to you, I

517
00:26:45,306 --> 00:26:48,756
mean, I know you're not gonna be happy
about it, but why are you so mad at me?

518
00:26:48,756 --> 00:26:48,981
And you said.

519
00:26:49,656 --> 00:26:55,296
Sarika, if you believe everything that I
have told you during your life, why would

520
00:26:55,296 --> 00:26:57,486
you bring another person into this world?

521
00:26:57,846 --> 00:26:58,266
Wow.

522
00:26:59,016 --> 00:26:59,376
Really?

523
00:26:59,376 --> 00:27:00,336
Did I say that?

524
00:27:00,516 --> 00:27:01,116
Yes.

525
00:27:01,116 --> 00:27:01,866
You said that.

526
00:27:01,956 --> 00:27:02,346
Oh my God.

527
00:27:02,646 --> 00:27:08,916
And I, I understand what you meant because
you've devoted your whole life to this

528
00:27:09,396 --> 00:27:17,046
fight, and that's why it destroyed me
when the twins were born and you we're

529
00:27:17,046 --> 00:27:23,166
holding them and you started crying and
said, I just realized that these children

530
00:27:23,166 --> 00:27:25,206
will not be able to live out their lives.

531
00:27:25,416 --> 00:27:31,206
And then I realized that I don't
have to think that way, that I

532
00:27:31,206 --> 00:27:32,916
can envision a different future.

533
00:27:32,916 --> 00:27:37,026
And if I devote my life to
fighting for that future,

534
00:27:39,486 --> 00:27:40,236
that maybe.

535
00:27:41,616 --> 00:27:43,656
Maybe there will be a
different future for them.

536
00:27:43,661 --> 00:27:43,901
Yeah, yeah.

537
00:27:43,926 --> 00:27:44,256
Yeah.

538
00:27:44,406 --> 00:27:46,026
I still have hope.

539
00:27:46,326 --> 00:27:48,486
I believe that hope is action.

540
00:27:48,516 --> 00:27:51,426
We're affirming hope by doing.

541
00:27:51,846 --> 00:27:54,336
If you don't do and you
say, well, it's too late.

542
00:27:54,876 --> 00:27:56,286
There's nothing I can, you've given up.

543
00:27:56,346 --> 00:27:56,946
Mm. Basically.

544
00:27:56,946 --> 00:27:57,036
Mm-hmm.

545
00:27:57,546 --> 00:27:58,776
Nope, I haven't given up.

546
00:27:58,781 --> 00:27:59,796
You can't, I can't.

547
00:27:59,796 --> 00:28:00,181
You cannot.

548
00:28:00,401 --> 00:28:01,086
You can't give up.

549
00:28:01,420 --> 00:28:07,390
That's the crux of it, right, is how
do we balance the realism that we see

550
00:28:07,390 --> 00:28:09,820
as scientists and as conservationists?

551
00:28:10,180 --> 00:28:14,200
And we see these reports come in from
the IPCC, from different government

552
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,020
organizations, like different
government departments all over the

553
00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:20,650
world and other nonprofit organizations
and think tanks and so forth.

554
00:28:20,650 --> 00:28:24,035
That's continue to talk about the
consequences of climate change and

555
00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:27,035
the inaction that we've taken or
the the steps back that we've taken.

556
00:28:27,035 --> 00:28:29,555
If we've progressed a little bit,
there've been some step backs

557
00:28:29,555 --> 00:28:31,175
depending on who's in power.

558
00:28:31,415 --> 00:28:34,805
We're at a point right now in the world
where there are a lot of conservative

559
00:28:34,895 --> 00:28:36,305
governments that are in power.

560
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:40,920
They have taken a number of steps
back from a lot of different things

561
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,690
that are surround climate change.

562
00:28:42,690 --> 00:28:47,220
You know, there's eco justice, there's
a diversity, equity and inclusion

563
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,960
initiatives that help with climate change
action and voicing up those actions

564
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,550
and listening to different people.

565
00:28:53,670 --> 00:28:57,570
There's actually just the defunding of
science, the defunding of monitoring

566
00:28:57,570 --> 00:29:02,465
systems that will help adapt to these
consequences such as tsunamis and

567
00:29:02,465 --> 00:29:06,035
storm surges and increased storms in
detecting those storms to make sure

568
00:29:06,215 --> 00:29:10,325
that we are in a position where we
can help and the government as well

569
00:29:10,325 --> 00:29:13,835
as other entities can help inform
people of when to evacuate, when not to

570
00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:15,635
evacuate, and how to prepare for storms.

571
00:29:15,755 --> 00:29:17,495
These are all at risk.

572
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,290
And so when you have people like
myself, like David Suzuki, like anybody

573
00:29:22,290 --> 00:29:27,360
who is working in this world, even
though you have hope and you have to

574
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,350
continue to fight, and we all have
to continue to fight, there are times

575
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:33,180
where we're just like, what the hell?

576
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,890
What is wrong with us?

577
00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:36,390
Why do we continue to do this?

578
00:29:36,390 --> 00:29:39,810
We are going after short-term
gains with long-term consequences

579
00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:42,720
coming down the road when the
people in power are not gonna pay

580
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,370
for those long-term consequences.

581
00:29:44,875 --> 00:29:48,985
They are going to put in the people
that they want, they are going to

582
00:29:49,015 --> 00:29:50,965
make a mockery of climate change.

583
00:29:50,995 --> 00:29:53,575
You know, scientists and
people who want climate change

584
00:29:53,575 --> 00:29:54,865
action, they're gonna deny it.

585
00:29:54,865 --> 00:29:58,225
They're gonna pay for misinformation
to be put on social media.

586
00:29:58,255 --> 00:30:01,645
Bots to be put in comments will
probably be in my comments here.

587
00:30:01,645 --> 00:30:05,240
Or people who are a product of
that misinformation who are gonna

588
00:30:05,245 --> 00:30:08,305
be in these comments saying that
Andrew, you know, like all this is

589
00:30:08,545 --> 00:30:09,440
bias and all that kind of stuff.

590
00:30:10,060 --> 00:30:12,280
That's what's gonna happen, and
we're gonna see that and we're

591
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,390
gonna continue to see that.

592
00:30:13,390 --> 00:30:14,830
But we have to continue to fight.

593
00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:17,680
And at some point there's gonna be
times where we're gonna have low

594
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,500
points and we're gonna be like, Jesus,
what the hell are people thinking?

595
00:30:21,130 --> 00:30:22,390
What are we thinking here?

596
00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:26,710
You have, you know, people in my province
that are in charge, the premier who

597
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:31,810
is helping his billion dollar friends
make more billions by encroaching on

598
00:30:31,810 --> 00:30:37,060
a green zone area that is not supposed
to be touched because it is absolutely

599
00:30:37,060 --> 00:30:41,800
crucial to our systems here, just north
of Toronto, to put another highway so

600
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,130
that they can put in homes in that area
to benefit his billionaire friends.

601
00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:47,260
He doesn't have to put
it in this green zone.

602
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:48,490
He doesn't have to.

603
00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:51,100
He could put it somewhere else,
but they don't own land there,

604
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,320
so why would you do that?

605
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:53,800
Right?

606
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,990
Because they're benefiting
scandals and they're out in the

607
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:57,430
open and nobody's paying for it.

608
00:30:57,835 --> 00:31:00,295
Nobody's being held accountable
for these decisions, and they're

609
00:31:00,295 --> 00:31:03,925
not gonna be held accountable in
10, 15, 20 years down the road.

610
00:31:03,925 --> 00:31:05,365
And nobody's gonna remember who they are.

611
00:31:05,485 --> 00:31:08,905
They're just gonna be remember how they
are dealing with this crap, how they

612
00:31:08,905 --> 00:31:12,565
are dealing with the consequences of
climate change because of bad political

613
00:31:12,565 --> 00:31:17,155
decisions all the way stemming that back
to 1988, and even, you can argue further

614
00:31:17,155 --> 00:31:20,785
when governments continue to ignore
the science that has always been there.

615
00:31:20,785 --> 00:31:21,895
You heard David say.

616
00:31:22,105 --> 00:31:23,245
It's always been there.

617
00:31:23,275 --> 00:31:24,850
It's been right for a long time.

618
00:31:25,630 --> 00:31:28,180
It's been there for a long
time and refuse to do it.

619
00:31:28,180 --> 00:31:31,300
So when you get scientists
like myself, like David Suzuki,

620
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,380
obviously I'm not comparing.

621
00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:34,150
We are definitely not the
same type of scientist.

622
00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:38,350
He is way above my intellect
as well as experience.

623
00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:42,640
But when you start to see people like
himself, David Attenborough, others

624
00:31:42,910 --> 00:31:45,730
start to speak out and be like,
we are actually very frustrated.

625
00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:50,050
We are looking back at our lives and we
are seeing how many times governments made

626
00:31:50,050 --> 00:31:54,430
the wrong decisions and wrong decisions
against the environment to prioritize

627
00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:57,400
political power and economic growth.

628
00:31:57,790 --> 00:31:59,230
Unlimited economic growth.

629
00:31:59,620 --> 00:32:03,370
And this is the frustration that we have,
and this is why I'm taking so long to put

630
00:32:03,370 --> 00:32:07,960
this video together because it is a pain
in the ass to deal with all this time.

631
00:32:08,110 --> 00:32:10,690
And then, you know, somebody like
David Suzuki gets flacked for

632
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:12,970
coming out and saying real stuff.

633
00:32:13,030 --> 00:32:14,410
Like he says all the time.

634
00:32:15,130 --> 00:32:17,080
You know, he's been
labeled an eco terrorist.

635
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,310
He's been enabling an enemy of Canada by
different political parties and different

636
00:32:21,310 --> 00:32:25,150
organizations like in companies who don't
like what he says, but to be honest,

637
00:32:25,210 --> 00:32:26,980
he's just saying what the science says.

638
00:32:27,865 --> 00:32:32,035
And he is trying to navigate ways
that we can do better, right?

639
00:32:32,035 --> 00:32:35,215
That's really what it comes down to,
and he is getting punished for it.

640
00:32:35,395 --> 00:32:41,005
And you can even see at times he struggles
with hope because hope turns into action.

641
00:32:41,755 --> 00:32:46,165
And also the realism that we see based on
the decisions that we continue to make.

642
00:32:46,705 --> 00:32:49,180
And sometimes they're not easy decisions
that these governments are making.

643
00:32:49,930 --> 00:32:54,100
But we continue to see that the
economy and that political power is

644
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:57,310
prioritized over the environmental
protection of just our planet.

645
00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:58,960
And it's extremely frustrating.

646
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,990
So I can understand what
David Suzuki is going through.

647
00:33:02,140 --> 00:33:06,100
I can understand the controversy,
like, you know, when my daughters at

648
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:09,550
some point, they will have, you know,
maybe daughters or sons, and I'll

649
00:33:09,550 --> 00:33:12,160
have grandchildren and they'll have
children and they'll have grandchildren.

650
00:33:12,535 --> 00:33:14,260
I want them to enjoy their life.

651
00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:16,510
I don't want them to have
to worry about floods.

652
00:33:16,510 --> 00:33:17,980
I don't want them to have
to worry about droughts.

653
00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:21,070
I don't want 'em to have to worry about
anything that's climate change related.

654
00:33:21,070 --> 00:33:24,760
Any natural disasters that are
exacerbated by climate change,

655
00:33:25,030 --> 00:33:26,500
I don't wanna see that happen.

656
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:28,300
I don't wanna even know
that's gonna happen.

657
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,830
That doesn't give me hope.

658
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:31,240
That gives me a lot of pessimism.

659
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,450
You're starting to see people who
do not want to have kids because

660
00:33:34,450 --> 00:33:36,940
of climate change and the effect
that it's gonna have on our planet

661
00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:38,410
in the next couple of decades.

662
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:39,790
So that's the reason.

663
00:33:39,790 --> 00:33:41,920
So I'd love to hear your
thoughts on all this.

664
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,650
If you're a scientist or a
conservationist or environmentalist

665
00:33:44,650 --> 00:33:48,850
in any type of field, do you have
this same type of battle between the

666
00:33:48,850 --> 00:33:51,310
realism and the optimism as well?

667
00:33:51,310 --> 00:33:55,330
I would love to hear from people
who are not in the conservation

668
00:33:55,330 --> 00:33:57,430
industry or science industry or field.

669
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:58,990
I would love to hear what you think.

670
00:33:58,990 --> 00:34:02,050
Do you think all like what David
Suzuki is going through is legitimate?

671
00:34:02,110 --> 00:34:03,430
Are you go through the same thing?

672
00:34:03,625 --> 00:34:06,235
I would love to hear, you know, your
thoughts on putting the comments

673
00:34:06,235 --> 00:34:07,855
in the YouTube comments down below.

674
00:34:07,975 --> 00:34:11,725
Or if you're listening to this on
audio, just hit me up on Instagram

675
00:34:11,755 --> 00:34:13,225
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676
00:34:13,405 --> 00:34:18,685
Or you can go to speak up
for blue.com/contact and

677
00:34:18,685 --> 00:34:19,585
you can contact me there.

678
00:34:19,585 --> 00:34:20,275
Just fill out the form.

679
00:34:20,275 --> 00:34:22,915
It goes right to my personal
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680
00:34:23,215 --> 00:34:24,295
Join the Undertow.

681
00:34:24,295 --> 00:34:26,335
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682
00:34:26,425 --> 00:34:29,620
The app is coming, but we are
creating this online community to

683
00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:33,340
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684
00:34:33,550 --> 00:34:37,490
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685
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:41,690
I wanna thank you so much for having the
patience to listen to me rant and raving,

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and go through this video, and just the
love that you're giving me on YouTube,

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as well as on audio, and the fact that
you listen to these podcast episodes.

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You know, whether it's this one, How
to Protect the Ocean or Beyond Jaws.

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I really appreciate the fact that
you listen all the way through

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'cause you have to listen all
the way through to hear this.

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But I really do appreciate you and I'd
love to hear from you and engage with you.

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'cause that's what forms this community.

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That's what makes it really great.

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So I wanna thank you again and this
has been another episode of the

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How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin from
the True North Strong and Free.

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Have a great day.

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We'll talk to you next time
and happy conservation.