How Marine Conservation Works: From Community Action to Global Policy

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Let me ask you a question.

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Do you know how conservation works?

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Where does conservation actually happen?

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Because the reason why I'm

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asking this is not to be a

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elitist or anything like that.

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I want to really know how you think

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conservation happens.

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Because in this episode, I'm going to

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talk to you about my

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experience with conservation.

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I am a marine biologist and

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science communicator that's

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been working in this field of marine

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science and freshwater

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science and conservation over the last 20

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years, over 20 years.

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And I've had a podcast where I talk about

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conservation projects

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for the last 10 years.

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So I have a lot of experience in knowing

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what projects have gone

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where, how it was done.

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The reason why I'm saying this is because

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I did a review of the shark whisperer, a

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documentary on Netflix that documents

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Ocean Ramsey's work with sharks, as well

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as her so-called leading conservation

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work to get shark

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fishing banned in Hawaii.

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She contributed to a project that was led

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by indigenous Hawaiians and it seemed

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like taking credit for a

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little bit more than what she did.

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I said that was wrong.

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People lashed out at me saying, "Hey,

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she's done more conservation work than

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you have in your entire life and that

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scientists have around the world and you

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should be thankful for it."

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And that's when I realized that some

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people don't really understand how

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conservation is done.

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And there are people that contribute and

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collaborate with others to make

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conservation happen and it's great.

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And this is not a video or a podcast to

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crap on influencers because they play a

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big role and they play an even bigger

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role in the future of working with

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conservationists and

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scientists to get things done.

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But there's some caveats in there and

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there are some ways that conservation is

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done that I want people to understand.

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I want this audience to understand.

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So we're going to talk about that on

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today's episode of the How

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to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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Let's start the show.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to another exciting episode

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of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.

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This is a podcast where you find out

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what's happening with the ocean, how you

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can speak up for the ocean, what you can

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do to live for a better

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ocean by taking action.

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I'll tell you this episode.

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We're going to be talking

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about marine conservation.

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How does marine conservation work?

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How do we protect the ocean?

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This is all about how

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you can protect the ocean.

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Let's talk about how it

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actually is protected.

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That's the big thing

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we're going to talk about.

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Say before we do, if you want to better

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protect the ocean and you want to learn

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how to protect the ocean and get guided

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to protect the ocean, join our online

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community called the undertow.

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It's really easy to do so.

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You just sign up for an app.

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There's a waiting list right

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now as we prepare this app.

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It's going to be a lot

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of fun to be a part of it.

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I'm going to be a part of the community.

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I have two wonderful co founders who are

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going to be part of the committee.

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You are going to be a part of the

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community, hopefully.

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And our colleagues here on in the

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audience will be part of the community

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and we're going to be helping each other

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protect the ocean better.

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We're going to connect to the ocean.

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We're going to have events.

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We're going to have in person events with

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how virtual events we're going to talk

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about the ocean, no algorithms ocean,

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just ocean all the time.

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All you have to do is go to speak up for

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blue.com forward slash join the undertow

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that speak up for blue.com

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forward slash join the undertow.

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The link will be in the description.

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All right.

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Let's talk about how conservation works

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because I want to just let it out there.

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I was called jealous.

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I was called envious.

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I was saying, hey, somebody told me, hey,

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you haven't done anything for

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conservation like Ocean Ramsey has.

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She has done more for conservation than

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any scientists around the world.

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That's what people are claiming.

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And this is not to bash Ocean Ramsey.

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I have this is not really about her.

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This is the response of the people that I

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was some of the people that were like

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commenting on videos and

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messaging me and so forth.

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And I just said, hey, I don't know if

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people truly understand how conservation

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is done in 2025 or how it's been done in

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the past because I think there's a lot of

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people who look online and they see

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scientists and they see conservationists

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and they see influencers who are diving

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and out in the field with ocean animals.

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All the time and they're wonderful.

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They're wonderful videos.

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They're wonderful pictures.

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They tell great stories.

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It's really interesting to see they allow

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us to connect to the ocean in a ways that

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we couldn't do before the Internet and

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before social media, which is wonderful.

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It plays a huge role in storytelling for

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the ocean and bringing us in to

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conservation in a way and bring us closer

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to the ocean and it really developing

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that love for the

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ocean without social media.

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We wouldn't know about certain

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characteristics of workers or certain

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characteristics of the sharks have or the

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different species of sharks or how there

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are go sharks in the world or how there

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are cool things that turtles do, you

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know, all the just different things that

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get videoed and the fact that manatees

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can hug surfboard or something like that.

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Who knew that this was a possibility?

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We found that out through social media

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and through people sharing videos and

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sharing their experiences in the ocean

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and that is truly valuable and there is

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definitely a role of social media and

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social media influences and content

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creators as I am one that will play a

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role in conservation in

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the future and even now.

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But I think that what happens is people

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see that and they say it's all they see

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and when somebody starts to talk about

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the conservation work that

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they're doing, which is great.

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You know, that's all they know they talk

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about that conservation action and

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they're saying, yes, this person is

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actually taking part and they believe

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that person because they've trusted that

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person because they build that trust over

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time and they understand that person has

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played a significant role or a role in

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working on that conservation movement to

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have that specific

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conservation action, which is great.

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It's wonderful if they're telling the

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truth and this is where it becomes really

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complicated when it comes to influencers

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who are actually doing the work or who

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are actually trying to do the work and

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trying to conserve and whether they're

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actually doing the right work and telling

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the truth or they just trying to take

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credit, which has happened with Ocean

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Ramsey in the past with this Netflix

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documentary is reclaiming that she was

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part as she led the conservation movement

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in action to ban shark fishing in Hawaii, which is a very important thing.

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It's not the case. It was it was

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indigenous led for native for native

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Hawaiians and it was something that was

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it's known, but people aren't talking

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about because the action was already

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taken and it's great

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that it was actually taken.

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for that is just not it's not good. It's

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not good for for conservation. It's not

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good for marine biology. It's not good

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for a lot of things that we look at when

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we do conservation

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conservation is done not in the ocean.

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That's part of the process. I want to go

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over how conservation is done. Scientists

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go out right and they do studies and they

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depict trends that are happening in the

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ocean. Some of these trends might be

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positive. Some of these trends might be

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negative for the specific topic that

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we're looking at. So say for coral reefs,

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a scientist decides to do some work on

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coral reefs. Let's just

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make it as simple as possible.

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Are coral reefs healthy? Let's take an

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overall metric of looking at what coral

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reef health looks like. So we're looking

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at biodiverse less out like not as much

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algae that's overcoming the corals. The

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corals are fleshy. They're healthy.

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They're colorful and we see a lot of

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animals around it. So there's a big

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diversity metric that goes into it of

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this coral reef. Great. Okay. Let's just

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say that's how we look at things. Then

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scientists go out and start measuring

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these metrics over time.

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Right. And they look for differences over

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time. You know, so maybe at one point,

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say this year, there's a mass bleaching

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coral event, right? So all of a sudden,

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the corals go white. How long are the

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corals white? Do they recover? Are they

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recovering fast enough? And are they

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healthy when they are

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white when they are bleached?

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We look at that and over time we look at

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the recovery and we look at how well they

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recover. If it happens over a bunch of

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years where the recovery takes a bunch of

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years, then they're not recovering very,

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very quickly. They're recovering within

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the same summer, the same season, they're

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recovering quickly. Maybe there's hope

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for that, that habitat. So there's a lot

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of different metrics, a lot of different

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trends that we look at to make sure that

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these corals are healthy. That study gets

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published in a journal. So the scientists

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write it up. They do the math, they do

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the metrics, they compare.

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Season over season over season over

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season for a number of years. They look

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at the health. They say, you know what?

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The health is trending downward. It's a

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negative trend. We need to protect this

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habitat locally. Say it's in the Great

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Barrier Reef at a specific reef. Other

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parts of the reef are doing better than

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this part of the reef. But why is this

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part of the reef doing? So the scientists

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will make conclusion inferences on what

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needs to be studied more to determine

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what other causes are causing the slow

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recovery as opposed to other coral reef

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habitats within the same area or within the same area.

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Or near that area of what's why they're

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recovering faster than the others. This

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is all hypothetical, but you know, some

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truth to it, but all hypothetical. So

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there's studies that are done after that.

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There's studies that are joined during

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that. They write up the study, they

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publish the study so other scientists can

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see it during that time when they publish

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the study, it goes to different editors

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to review those editors review it. They

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critique it scientifically, critique it

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to make sure that the science is right

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and that they agree with the science.

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That means they agree with the statistics using the science.

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They agree with the statistics use, they

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agree with the study design. They agree

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with the results. They agree with the

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interpretation. They fully agree, but

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they have to say, you know what, this

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makes sense based on what is coming out

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with the results and so forth. If it gets

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accepted, it gets published. If it

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doesn't, it goes back for changes.

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There's questions that are asked and they

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go through an entire process and they get

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it edited again and reviewed. And then

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say it gets accepted. It goes on to a

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primary journal, which goes out to other

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scientists. They read it, especially

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those who are in coral reef science.

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They start to read it. Conservationists

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will read it. They're like, oh, nonprofit

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organizations, stuff that are really

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interested in coral reef science will be

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like, oh my gosh, this is really

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interesting. I wonder what's going on.

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Where is the problem? Then those

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organizations will look at that study and

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maybe they already know the scientists

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who are involved, the

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primary author and so forth.

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And they say, hey, can we talk to you

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about this? Like we really want to get

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this out to our constituents, our

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followers, our audience and make sure

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that they know what's going on. So they

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maybe do an interview. They post it

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online. They may send it to me.

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Like some of the sometimes people are

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getting sent to me. They have a really

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good article. I do an interview. We post

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that online. Organizations start to say,

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hey, we need to have a call to action. We

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need to protect these. And maybe if other

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cumulative effects, like there's

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development nearby or new technology, they're going to be able to do that.

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Can we move on to the the

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device?

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Everything needs to be accessible.

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An investigation to its currency. So also the is what we find is happening.

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This is what the science has found.

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And the government will be like,

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"Okay, well, this is a

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question that the people have had.

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We have to investigate it,

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so we'll get our scientists on it.

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We'll collaborate together

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and we'll find out a solution."

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Maybe it has to go to policy.

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So if it goes to the policy department,

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they're like, "What do we need to do?

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Right now, nutrients are at this level."

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Or maybe it's just the best possible way,

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like keep nutrients as low as possible.

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There's not an actual

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specific number for companies

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and organizations and industries

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who are producing

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nutrients that go into the water

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or in that area maybe.

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And so they'll engage,

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the government will engage

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with those that industry.

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The industry's come back and they say,

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"Well, we don't really want to change.

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We think everything's fine.

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It's going to be

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really expensive to change."

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And then they say,

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"Well, nonprofit organizations

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in the industry and the government

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kind of go back and forth."

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And they try to come to a compromise.

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That compromise gets put into policy.

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That policy gets put into play

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and the scientists

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will look at the trends

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as long with the government

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because governments

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have scientists as well.

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They will look at the trends

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and they will go through

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the whole process again

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and see if those

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trends actually take place.

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If that happens, the

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policy will change in law

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and this will get put into place.

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So that's how conservation is done.

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It starts off in the field.

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It starts off in the

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ocean, looking at trends.

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It goes to different,

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it goes to get published.

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It goes to different media

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and different organizations

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to get people involved

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and get people to know

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if they think it's

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necessary for people to know.

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Get that support for government.

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They put pressure on the government.

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The government has to

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look at it for the most part.

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Sometimes governments don't look at it.

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So that's an issue within itself and a

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challenge within itself.

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If they start looking at it and say,

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"Hey, yeah, actually we should do

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something about this."

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They engage in the

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industry and they go forth

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and it just gets kind of, you know, just

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it goes through a loop,

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write a feedback loop and

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it continues to go like that.

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That's how conservation works.

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Conservation, the

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policy, the laws that get made

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and the negotiations that happen do not

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happen out on a boat

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in the middle of the ocean.

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It happens in a room.

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It happens in a conference room.

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It happens in a board room.

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It happens at a computer where

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people are doing data analysis

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for years and years of

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results or of field data

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that has been collected.

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It's done in every different place.

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It's done by influencers

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who are making people aware,

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nonprofit organizations who

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are putting out the stuff,

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the information so that people can be,

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more and more people can be aware.

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Some people like by me

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who puts out to my audience,

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say, "Hey, you need to know about this.

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This is really important."

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There's so many different arms and

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aspects and branches of conservation.

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It happens in a

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number of different places.

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It doesn't just happen from one person.

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That's the key.

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It's not one person.

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It's not one organization.

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It's not one government.

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It's not one science lab.

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It's not one scientist.

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It is a team of people.

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It is a collaboration of people.

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I just talked to Bardor.

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We just published that episode last week,

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couple of episodes ago.

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Check it out.

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It's a collaboration.

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Conservation is collaboration.

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It's necessary to do conservation.

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You can't do it alone.

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So going back to the comments that I was

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getting on my video of,

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you know, of

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critiquing the shark whisperer.

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One person, one video

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doesn't make a policy.

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It is a team of people who have put the

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work in to either

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come up with the science,

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come up with the data, come up with the

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feedback from the local community and

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local organizations who are involved

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daily in this type of work.

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From to the fishing community to the

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industry that are involved in this type

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of work to the influencers and the

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content creators who are making more and

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more people aware of that work so they

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can take their sort of movement and bring

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it to the government to put more pressure

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to address the issue.

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It's a collaboration.

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It's not just one person.

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So when you hear scientists and you hear

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conservation conservation and say, hey,

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you know what, you know, when that one

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01:15:15,708 --> 01:15:18,375
person said that they were the reason why

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this fishing band got put in place.

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That's not true

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01:15:22,083 --> 01:15:24,458
because she played a part.

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Two million, two million followers on

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Instagram, probably more on TikTok and on

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YouTube and so forth.

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She has an army of public people who are

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interested in conserving

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sharks for whatever reason.

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It doesn't matter if it's

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what she does is right or wrong.

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She has the attention of people and she

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can mobilize those people, right?

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If they want to be mobilized, she can

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say, hey, there's this new movement going

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on or there's this movement going on.

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It's led by so and so.

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And I want you guys to check it out

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because I think it's important.

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And if you send your support by doing

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such and such thing, it would

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really help out this movement.

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And it would be it would feel good to

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protect these sharks that I work with

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each and every day, whether you agree

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with what she does or not, which I don't.

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That's what she could have done.

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And she could have come out and said,

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hey, you know what, remember that

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movement, that policy that I wanted that

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we wanted to do as a team and we want to

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get the shark fishing band like that.

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These indigenous Hawaiians have been

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trying to get banned for number of

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numerous years and the Senate finally

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01:16:22,416 --> 01:16:24,208
listened and they finally passed it.

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You were helping that.

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I thank you. Thank you so much for

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protecting these sharks.

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We did it together.

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01:16:30,583 --> 01:16:32,083
We did it as a team.

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01:16:32,083 --> 01:16:33,583
Not I did a video where I

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hung on to a great white shark.

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And because of that, people saw that

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sharks are not monsters.

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So we got this shark

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fishing ban like done in Hawaii.

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01:16:44,291 --> 01:16:45,458
That's not how you do it.

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01:16:45,916 --> 01:16:46,916
That's the wrong thing.

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And I think people need to know that

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people need to know

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01:16:51,375 --> 01:16:52,458
how conservation works.

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01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:55,958
This is not to say that what influencers

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01:16:55,958 --> 01:16:58,250
do or content creators do is useless.

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01:16:58,875 --> 01:17:00,833
They play a very important role in the

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01:17:00,833 --> 01:17:03,416
conservation process, but it is a process

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01:17:03,416 --> 01:17:05,416
is made up of a number of contributors

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01:17:05,416 --> 01:17:07,875
that help get things passed, including

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01:17:07,875 --> 01:17:10,958
lawmakers, including lawmakers who want

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01:17:10,958 --> 01:17:13,000
to get a pass who they say, hey, you know

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01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,083
what, this is really important.

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01:17:14,583 --> 01:17:16,041
We need to get this passed.

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01:17:16,458 --> 01:17:18,000
And that is what I want to get across

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01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,458
today in so many words.

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01:17:19,541 --> 01:17:21,666
There's probably a lot

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01:17:21,666 --> 01:17:22,500
more than I should have.

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But I want I wanted

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people to understand that.

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So I'd love to hear

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your thoughts on this.

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You know, after you join the undertow

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forward slash join the undertow.

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I want to hear your thoughts.

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Let me know in the comments below.

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But also let me know if you if you're

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listening to this on if you're listening

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to this on YouTube and you're listening

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to this on your favorite podcast app.

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Just let me know, you know, by going to

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speak up for blue dot

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Send me an email. I'd love

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to hear your thoughts on this.

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I think it's really important that we

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have discussions on this or DME on

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I want to thank you so much for joining

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me on today's episode of the How to

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Protect the Ocean podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin from the True

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Have a great day. We'll talk to you next

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time and have a conversation.