How Tide Gauges Help Track Flooding and Sea Level Rise in Coastal Towns

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I'm very happy to tell you that we have

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Dr. Andrew Taylor back

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on the episode today.

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He's almost become like a

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correspondent on this show.

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He's been around so many times this year,

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but it's great because he's doing so many

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cool projects and emailed me the other

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day and he's like, Hey, you know what?

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You want to talk about tide gauges, put

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in a tide gauge in his

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own town, town of St.

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Michael's in Maryland to look at how

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flooding is affected or

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how often it happens and how

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they can predict and how they can manage,

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especially when they

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look at compared to other

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tide gauges around the Chesapeake Bay

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where they're in or

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just off the Chesapeake Bay

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where they're in. And so we're going to

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talk about the process,

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why he's doing this for

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his town, you know, the time it takes all

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that kind of stuff

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that's going in to doing

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that so that you can become a local hero

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to your community and

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do something similar or

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just do something that will be helpful

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and feel inspired. So

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we're going to talk about

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that on today's episode of the how to

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protect the ocean podcast.

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Let's start the show. Hey,

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everybody. Welcome back to another

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exciting episode of the how

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to protect the ocean podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin. And this is

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the podcast where you

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find out what's happening

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with the ocean, how you can speak up for

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the ocean, what you can

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do to live for a better

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ocean by taking action. If you haven't

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noticed by the last few

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episodes, we've been talking

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a lot about local heroes, local people

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who stand up in their

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community and say, you know

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what? We need information or we need to

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ban single use

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plastics or we need to do this

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because they're observing stuff in their

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communities and saying

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something's wrong here or we need

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to do something in order to predict or in

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order to better manage our

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community. And one of those

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people, and I know he doesn't like to be

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called an ocean hero or a

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local hero, is Dr. Andrew

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Thayer. He's a local hero to me. He's an

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inspiration to me and a lot

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of our other colleagues and

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friends that we have in our circles. And

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he just does some great

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things. He has OpenCTD,

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which is his own personal project where

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he helps build

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instrumentation that is available

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for a lot of people. And that is

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crowdfunded on his Patreon,

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which I'll link to the show

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notes if you want to take part in that

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and support him on

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that. But he also does a lot

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of things. He's a consultant. He's a

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contractor. He does deep

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sea ecology. He does a lot of

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science communication. He runs Southern

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Fried Science. He does a lot of

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everything. And I'll put

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links to his episodes that he's been on

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not only this year, but

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before talking about all those

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things on this episode, even talked about

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D and D this year, running D and D games,

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Dungeons and Dragons games for forest

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ecology. So we talk a lot

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about things. Andrew's a good

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friend of mine. He's always welcome on

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this podcast. He's a

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good friend of the podcast.

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And today we're talking about him putting

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a tide gauge into their coastal area to

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start to detect, you know, all this

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different stuff that's going on, you

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know, over a 24 hour period or over a

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number of like over a year, essentially

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what he's going to do in this area. And

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he's going to switch it to a different

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area within St. Michael's area.

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Because some areas get flooded and they

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need to know how often they need to know,

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you know, what's the implications of

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that? And they need to know data. They

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need to get data to do better management.

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And that's what we're going to be talking

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about today. And Andrew's always great.

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So I wanted you to get to know him even

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more and his project on the tide gauge in

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St. Michael's Harbor in Maryland. So

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here's the interview with Dr. Andrew

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Taylor. Enjoy and I

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will talk to you after.

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Hey, Andrew, welcome back to the How to

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Protect the Ocean podcast. It seems like

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you're a correspondent now, but you are

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back again. Are you ready

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to talk about tide gauges?

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Absolutely. I am

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ready to talk tide gauges.

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Love it. I love this. This is awesome

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because it's very rare that I like I get

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I get emails from people, you know, a lot

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of times is get like people who represent

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guests and be like, hey, would you want

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this person to be on their guests? A lot

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of times they miss like completely miss.

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Obviously you and I know each other.

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We're good friends. You know, we we we

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kind of chat on a fairly regular basis

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through email and

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through social media stuff.

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And you email me like, hey, you want to

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talk about tide gauges? I've got like, I

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think it's like over a month of day. I'm

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like, yes, yes, please. Let's let's talk

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about this because I think it's

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important. And there's a lot of things I

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think it's important. This is your

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project that you've kind of headed up

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for. And what we just discussed for two

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years, it's been in the making. And now

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you finally got data from it and you

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deployed it this year. You got data and

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you wanted to share. And I want to share

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the whole journey. Just what people can

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do in their own towns for the sake of

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their own towns, whether they live along, they live in the town.

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And whether they live along the coastline

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or they don't live along the coastline.

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There's things that we need to do to make

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changes to ensure those changes are done.

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So I'm looking forward to being able to

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do that. But Andrew, if people haven't

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heard of you before, you just let us

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remind us of who you are and what you do.

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Absolutely. And thank you for having me

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back on. One of these days you're going

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to get sick of me. Never, never, my

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friend. I think one day we're just going

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to have to call at the Andrew and Andrew

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podcast. I feel like at some point

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because you're on it so many times. I

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love it. But anyway,

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I'll see you, my friend.

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So I am Dr. Andrew Thaler. I am a deep

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sea ecologist. I'm a conservation

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technologist. I'm an ocean educator. And

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because I am a man who wears many, many

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hats, I am also a climate change

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commissioner for the town of St.

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Michael's. And that's sort of where this

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bit of the story begins.

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So almost five years ago now, more than

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five years ago, because I'm on my second

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term, I joined the St. Michael's time

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climate change commission and it is an

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infrastructure commission for our town to

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examine the impacts of chronic sea level

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rise induced flooding on the town

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infrastructure, develop strategies for

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how to mitigate that flooding and then

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put into practice major infrastructure

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projects for the most part in order to

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see our vision of a resilient,

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town that can survive into the next

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century. I have a couple questions before

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you go on. Sorry, with this commission,

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was this already being put in place

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before you joined or has already been put

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in place for you? Or was this something

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that you tried to push to be put in

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place? So I was not one of the people

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campaigning for the creation of the

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commission that happened before I moved

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to town, but I was one of the founding

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commissioners. So I have been on the commission since its inception. But I was on the commission.

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But I was not part of the

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push to create the commission.

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Gotcha. And you are a deep sea ecologist

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and oceanographer. What made you decide

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like this is what I want to do? Because a

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lot of times is what's discussing your

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you'll discuss it in just a second is,

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you know, a lot of engineering projects

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and like, you know, balance and making

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sure roads are not going to

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get flooded on a regular basis.

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What made you decide like, you know what,

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this is something that I would be good

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for, like, a lot of people are like, am I

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really qualified if I if I'm educated in

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this specific aspect? Like, what made you

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think, you know what, I could

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actually do a pretty good job.

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So, you know, I've done a lot of climate

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change outreach throughout my career,

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spanning almost 20 years now. And it

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became very clear about five years ago

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that we weren't getting the job done.

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That this idea that we could use science

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communication and science outreach to

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convince lawmakers to convince

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legislators to make the right decisions

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regarding climate change wasn't working.

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Right. And so there's the alternative to

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if you cannot convince a lawmaker to

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adopt scientifically sound principles,

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then the only thing you

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can do is become a lawmaker.

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So I set out to figure out where I could

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be the most impactful in my community and

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where my specific set of skills, I have a

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particular set of skills and where my

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particular set of skills could be the

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most use to my community.

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And, you know, I am a deep sea ecologist,

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but I also have done a lot of coastal

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work and I've done a lot of sea level

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rise modeling. And many, many years ago,

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I ran a little program

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called Drown Your Town.

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So I am very familiar with modeling sea

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level rise and changing communities. And

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so, you know, I it's not like an open

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election. It's you get

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nominated by the town commission.

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So I put in my application with the

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commissioners of town and they accepted

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it. And I joined the town of St.

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Michael's climate change commission for

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the inaugural commission.

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And we have been doing a lot of studies

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to determine where the critical areas are

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a lot of grant making and grant writing

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to get the funds to do more studies

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because a lot of infrastructure work is

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just more and more studies.

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And slowly now beginning to put in the

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funding to actually do some of the

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heavier lifts. So we have roads in town

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that need to be raised because they

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currently flood at high tide.

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We have critical areas where major

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tourist venues are underwater half of the

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year. And that's obviously not acceptable

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if you want to have a town that's going

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to survive into the century.

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We have a power station, a power

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substation that handles power

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transmission for the rest of our

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peninsula. And in a big storm, the road

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to that substation is inaccessible.

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And so we're looking at ways to mitigate

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the impact on that road. And so it's

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really, it's a nuts and bolts commission.

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It's roads. It's stormwater management.

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It's critical areas. It's putting in

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reinforced bulkheads or putting in new

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living shorelines, which we have a living

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shoreline project that we're in the

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building phase right now,

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which is really exciting.

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So we're actually going to have like a

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tangible thing. That's not just a report

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coming up really soon,

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which is very, very exciting.

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But part of all of that is you have to

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know what the ocean is doing around your

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town. And we have, you know, the

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Chesapeake Bay is a very well researched

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area. We have the University of Maryland.

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We have several other

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universities. We've got multiple.

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You know, no one is headquartered on the

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Chesapeake Bay. Yeah, Maryland, Maryland

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Department of Natural Resources done us

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trying to set up a amount of work. But

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tides are weird. And I don't think we

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appreciate just how strange tides are,

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especially in like the Chesapeake Bay is

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the largest estuary and

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ecosystem in the continental US.

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It's the largest water. It might be the

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largest watershed, not the largest

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estuary, but I think

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it's the largest estuary.

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You know, even bigger than Mississippi.

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Yeah, really? Wow, I didn't know that.

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Estuarian watershed. Estuarian watershed.

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Gotcha. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. I gotcha. Okay. Yeah. Cool.

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And, you know, it takes 12 hours for a

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tide to promulgate up the Chesapeake Bay.

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So if you have high tide in Norfolk,

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you're going to have another, you know,

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11 12 hours before you see

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a high tide in Baltimore.

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And that changes depending on where you

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are in the town of St. Michael is not

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right in the Chesapeake Bay. We're on the

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Miles River, which is part of the

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Chesapeake Bay and is influenced by the

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Chesapeake Bay. But there's a lot of

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weird hydrodynamic phenomena that

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happened between the tide going up in the

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ocean and that wave

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promulgating into our area.

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And so one of the questions we had is

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like, so we're dealing with nuisance

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flooding. We're dealing with high tide

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flooding. Our mandate is not planning for

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the next big hurricane. Our mandate is

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dealing with the chronic flooding that

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the town has to handle every day.

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It's, you know, what I like to say is

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we're here to handle the flooding that

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you have to live with, not the flooding

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that you have to run from.

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Because in a big hurricane, the answer

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the answer to managing a big hurricane

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coming through is get out of town, you

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know, go have some fun in the mountains

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for the weekend and

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then come back and rebuild.

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But with the chronic flooding, the

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flooding we see every day, you have to be

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able to live with it or the town can't

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survive. And so one of my very early on

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initiatives that I started with the

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climate commission is I want to know

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what's happening with our

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tides in town right now.

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We have a tide gauge in Annapolis. We

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have a tide gauge in Cambridge. Those are

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both very far away from our town. We have

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a tide on the other side of the river on

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the other side of the

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bay on the bay. Sorry.

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Yeah, we have a tide gauge in Claiborne,

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which is a town slightly north of us that

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was installed in such a way that it

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bottoms out at low tide. So

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you don't get accurate readings.

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And so we really pushed to find a

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solution that would get us tide readings

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in our town. And that was like not

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particularly expensive. We didn't, you

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know, part of part of working with with

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small town government is like, you know,

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you can do almost anything you want as

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long as it's at no cost to the town.

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Yeah.

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And so as you know, I have this little

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program called the open CTD. The open CTD

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is a low cost open source oceanographic

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instrument that gives you salinity,

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temperature and depth.

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And one of the things I was thinking of

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doing is, okay, we can measure depth.

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Depth is tied if you have a fixed gauge.

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So can we convert the open CTD to a long

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term fixed mooring and use the data

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coming out of that device to then infer

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what the tides are

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doing in our town locally.

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And fortunately, I'm very good friends

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with the folks at so far ocean who make

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those amazing spotter buoys. And they had

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opened up a program called the

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bristlemouth program, the bristlemouth

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pioneer program and bristlemouth is their

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attempt at a universal standard connector

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for ocean equipment.

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So that like, you know, right now, you

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know, if I have an open CTD and someone

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has like a ysi castaway and someone has

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like a big adcp and someone's got a bunch

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of other data sans every single one of

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those has a different kind of connector.

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And if you want those to talk to each

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other, it's basically impossible. So the

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idea behind bristlemouth is if there's

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one universal full ocean capable

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connector, that's relatively cheap, that

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every device can talk to, then we can

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start integrating these ocean systems.

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And so the town of St. Michael's was

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accepted into the bristlemouth pioneer

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program. And then I got to have the joy

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of integrating the open CTD with with the

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bristlemouth standard. And I don't know

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if you know the joke in software

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standards, but like, you know, if you go

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into a program, you're like, oh, there's

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like 15 different language standards, we

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should normalize this so that we can like

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make it easy for all these different

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codes to talk to each other.

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Then all of a sudden you have 16

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different software standards. And then

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the next person comes in is like, oh, we

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should normalize this. And then you have

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17 different standards. So it took about

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a year for me to get the open CTD

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integrated with with the spotter buoy.

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And then finally, this December, we

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deployed our buoy out in St. Michael's

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Harbor and began logging the tides. Okay,

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so now, so you've, you know, you spent a

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01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:15,708
year coding this thing to make sure that

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it speaks to the open CTD, which is which

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01:14:18,208 --> 01:14:19,500
is awesome, because that's something that

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was necessary to make sure that, you

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01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:24,208
know, you can get your information in

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01:14:24,208 --> 01:14:25,291
there, like, you know, from

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from the CTD that you had.

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But this is a lot of stuff, you know,

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01:14:30,208 --> 01:14:33,458
like, did the commission know about all

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01:14:33,458 --> 01:14:36,083
this, these plans, or is this a program

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that you looked up and you knew about it,

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you know, and then shared it with the

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01:14:39,416 --> 01:14:41,000
commission? Like, how did it how was this

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program made available or

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01:14:43,625 --> 01:14:44,916
made known to the commission?

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So I knew from so far when they put out

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the announcement that they were looking

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for bristlemouth pioneers. And then

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because municipal municipal government is

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always about meetings, right? You know,

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there, there is a long process of having

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meetings and holding meetings. And kind

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of the joke I was making with so far is

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that I had the hardware ready to go.

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01:15:03,166 --> 01:15:06,125
Well, well ahead of when we actually

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deploy it, but I had to wait for a town

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01:15:07,666 --> 01:15:09,500
council meeting so that I could then

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petition the town for permission to put

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this buoy in this particular spot. And

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then the town had to vote on where the

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buoy would go. And, you know, there's a

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municipal process

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because we're a community.

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So, you know, the coding and the hardware

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was maybe not even the most logistically

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complicated part of it. It's the getting

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people on board and talking to everyone

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and then getting, you know, the actual

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live feed up on the website. So website.

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So part of all this is we launched St.

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Michael's flood watch, which is St.

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Michael flood watch.com. And it just

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redirects to an ArcGIS story map because

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as re is great for stuff like that.

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The story maps have really have really

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taken by a lot of people. I know a lot of

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01:15:49,250 --> 01:15:50,250
people do that. What's that website

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01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:51,541
again? Can you just say that again? So

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it's st. Michael's flood watch.com and

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that's St. Abbreviated just ST.

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01:15:56,791 --> 01:15:59,708
Yeah, Michael's flood watch. And so on

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that website, you see the sea level rise

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01:16:02,208 --> 01:16:03,833
projections that we're working with as

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01:16:03,833 --> 01:16:05,500
part of the commission. So when we do all

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01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:07,541
of our planning, we're planning for five

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feet of flooding above mean sea level.

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01:16:10,166 --> 01:16:12,166
We have a lot of projections about what

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01:16:12,166 --> 01:16:15,833
that flooding looks like in reality over

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01:16:15,833 --> 01:16:19,666
the years. So like in 2020, we saw 35 two

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01:16:19,666 --> 01:16:23,500
foot floods by 2036. We expect to see 118

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01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:26,958
per tide. So that's, you know, two tides

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01:16:26,958 --> 01:16:30,833
a day. By 2075, we expect every high tide

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to be above two feet.

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01:16:31,166 --> 01:16:34,000
So that gives you kind of a projection of

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what we're really looking for. And it

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01:16:34,958 --> 01:16:37,416
also emphasizes that sea level rise is a

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01:16:37,416 --> 01:16:38,833
process. You know, we talk about, oh,

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01:16:38,833 --> 01:16:41,041
what's it going to look like in 2050 or

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01:16:41,041 --> 01:16:43,583
2100? But in reality, we should be

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01:16:43,583 --> 01:16:45,375
talking about like, how much is going to

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01:16:45,375 --> 01:16:47,083
change over the next five years, over the

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01:16:47,083 --> 01:16:49,583
next 10 years, you know, what is chronic

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01:16:49,583 --> 01:16:51,916
flooding going to actually look like to

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01:16:51,916 --> 01:16:53,125
the people who have to live with it.

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01:16:53,166 --> 01:16:55,500
And like, how does that impact things

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01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:58,000
like the businesses that are on the

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01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,541
waterfront there over time? So, you know,

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a five foot flood may not be particularly

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01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:05,583
catastrophic, because we only see it once

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01:17:05,583 --> 01:17:09,291
or twice in the next 50 years. But, you

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01:17:09,291 --> 01:17:11,500
know, a four foot, a four foot flood

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01:17:11,500 --> 01:17:14,791
isn't that much less than five feet. And,

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01:17:14,791 --> 01:17:17,083
you know, by 2075, we'll be seeing that

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every sixth high tide.

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So things like that, I think really

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01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,458
matter. And then if you keep going down

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01:17:23,458 --> 01:17:24,916
the website, you get to the real time

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01:17:24,916 --> 01:17:26,708
feed from the buoy. And this is where all

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01:17:26,708 --> 01:17:28,750
the this is real time data. This is

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01:17:28,750 --> 01:17:29,875
coming directly from our buoy.

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01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:31,666
Last 24 hours that

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01:17:31,666 --> 01:17:32,458
I'm reading here, right?

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01:17:32,916 --> 01:17:34,791
The last 24 hours. And you can see,

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01:17:34,791 --> 01:17:36,458
unfortunately, if we had done this

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01:17:36,458 --> 01:17:38,583
yesterday, you would have seen three two

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01:17:38,583 --> 01:17:40,833
foot floods in a row. So we had three

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01:17:40,833 --> 01:17:42,833
flood tides in a row over the last week,

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01:17:42,833 --> 01:17:45,958
which was the first set of flood tides

533
01:17:45,958 --> 01:17:46,916
we've documented with the

534
01:17:46,916 --> 01:17:47,958
buoy since we put it out.

535
01:17:48,791 --> 01:17:50,208
And I just want to clarify, too, when we

536
01:17:50,208 --> 01:17:53,375
talk about flood tides, we're talking a

537
01:17:53,375 --> 01:17:55,125
little bit about the height, but also the

538
01:17:55,125 --> 01:17:57,041
distance that it goes, right? Like how

539
01:17:57,041 --> 01:17:59,000
far in does it go? Like so

540
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,291
you have your regular shoreline.

541
01:18:00,541 --> 01:18:02,458
And if you if people go, I highly

542
01:18:02,458 --> 01:18:03,875
recommend if you're if you're watching

543
01:18:03,875 --> 01:18:05,541
this or you're listening to this, I

544
01:18:05,541 --> 01:18:07,833
highly recommend that you actually it's

545
01:18:07,833 --> 01:18:10,166
easier if you follow along if you go to

546
01:18:10,166 --> 01:18:11,125
say Michael's flood watch.

547
01:18:11,166 --> 01:18:12,750
I'll put the link in the in the show

548
01:18:12,750 --> 01:18:14,666
notes so people can follow along. But

549
01:18:14,666 --> 01:18:16,666
because you see the first picture of I

550
01:18:16,666 --> 01:18:18,833
think was May 9th, it looks like you can

551
01:18:18,833 --> 01:18:20,625
see that there's like bridges that are

552
01:18:20,625 --> 01:18:22,000
pretty much flooded rows

553
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:22,958
that are pretty much flooded.

554
01:18:23,541 --> 01:18:26,833
And it looks like a typical day. You know

555
01:18:26,833 --> 01:18:29,000
what I mean? Like it's it's kind of it's

556
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,250
it's a little scary to think that this is

557
01:18:31,250 --> 01:18:33,833
a normal thing that happened. So going

558
01:18:33,833 --> 01:18:36,125
back to that when we talk about height.

559
01:18:36,166 --> 01:18:39,000
So when I look at this tide gauge, it's

560
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,500
saying depth from mean sea level, I

561
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:43,875
assume is MSL. Yes. And, you know, we're

562
01:18:43,875 --> 01:18:46,250
looking at zero to what seems to be

563
01:18:46,250 --> 01:18:48,541
between 1.6 and 1.8 feet,

564
01:18:48,541 --> 01:18:50,166
just a little over 1.6 feet.

565
01:18:50,458 --> 01:18:51,583
And you can actually interact with the

566
01:18:51,583 --> 01:18:53,000
map and you can actually it'll give you

567
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,875
what it was. It's yes, six, seven, I

568
01:18:54,875 --> 01:18:56,833
think was the highest in the last 24

569
01:18:56,833 --> 01:18:58,500
hours, just last 20. And what you'll

570
01:18:58,500 --> 01:18:59,916
notice from this one is that none of the

571
01:18:59,916 --> 01:19:02,125
low tides go below mean sea level.

572
01:19:02,708 --> 01:19:04,833
They don't. So that's crazy. Cool. That's

573
01:19:04,833 --> 01:19:05,916
because we've had a bunch of storms

574
01:19:05,916 --> 01:19:07,500
recently. And that's another issue is

575
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:10,000
that rainfall highly mediates. Like we

576
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,166
don't have your sides like a tidal

577
01:19:12,166 --> 01:19:13,583
variance around here should be about a

578
01:19:13,583 --> 01:19:16,291
foot. And so, you know, a big rainstorm

579
01:19:16,291 --> 01:19:18,791
can completely change the tidal cycle for

580
01:19:18,791 --> 01:19:20,791
several, several cycles.

581
01:19:21,583 --> 01:19:23,833
Yeah. So when we just go back to that,

582
01:19:23,833 --> 01:19:26,375
when we talk about like the depth, is

583
01:19:26,375 --> 01:19:28,416
that the so you have the mean sea level,

584
01:19:28,416 --> 01:19:30,375
say at zero, like which is where you

585
01:19:30,375 --> 01:19:33,041
would see on average, the sea level. Are

586
01:19:33,041 --> 01:19:34,333
we talking about this is

587
01:19:34,333 --> 01:19:38,041
1.6 feet above above means.

588
01:19:38,250 --> 01:19:41,333
So it's not. But with it going higher,

589
01:19:41,833 --> 01:19:44,500
it'll actually it will also go further up

590
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:46,916
the coastline. Is that like the like the

591
01:19:46,916 --> 01:19:48,541
further into town and yeah, it goes

592
01:19:48,541 --> 01:19:49,125
further and further into town.

593
01:19:49,166 --> 01:19:51,416
So the higher goes the further goes into

594
01:19:51,416 --> 01:19:52,916
town. Yeah. The other thing I want to

595
01:19:52,916 --> 01:19:56,291
make, I want to note is that St.

596
01:19:56,750 --> 01:19:59,625
Michael's is not necessarily like I was

597
01:19:59,625 --> 01:20:01,041
just looking up a map of St. Michael's

598
01:20:01,041 --> 01:20:02,375
because as much as long as we've known

599
01:20:02,375 --> 01:20:03,708
each other, I've never actually looked

600
01:20:03,708 --> 01:20:05,250
up, you know, where you

601
01:20:05,250 --> 01:20:07,125
actually live within the bay.

602
01:20:07,291 --> 01:20:10,000
Right. It's a it's it seems like it's

603
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,583
protected from the bay itself and from

604
01:20:12,583 --> 01:20:15,250
where the ocean comes in. Almost on the

605
01:20:15,250 --> 01:20:17,500
other side of the land mass that comes

606
01:20:17,500 --> 01:20:20,000
in. So the fact that it's flooding and

607
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,208
it's still protected in a way, you know,

608
01:20:23,208 --> 01:20:24,625
from like actual ways

609
01:20:24,625 --> 01:20:26,125
coming in from the ocean proper.

610
01:20:26,166 --> 01:20:29,625
That's kind of scary too, right? Because

611
01:20:29,625 --> 01:20:31,458
now it's just a matter of the volume of

612
01:20:31,458 --> 01:20:33,750
water filling up into this into the bay

613
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:35,958
that you're into, like the river that you

614
01:20:35,958 --> 01:20:38,416
go into. It's just sheer volume of coming

615
01:20:38,416 --> 01:20:40,375
up plus rain that comes in from the top.

616
01:20:41,083 --> 01:20:44,333
Does that play a role in how scary this

617
01:20:44,333 --> 01:20:46,125
is for you? Like or for the town?

618
01:20:47,166 --> 01:20:48,500
So yes, no, I wouldn't use the term

619
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:50,833
scary, right? Because we're looking about

620
01:20:50,833 --> 01:20:52,500
building a resilient community. And one

621
01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:53,625
of the reasons I'm committed to the

622
01:20:53,625 --> 01:20:55,833
climate change commission is because St.

623
01:20:55,833 --> 01:20:57,125
Michael's is actually very well

624
01:20:57,125 --> 01:20:59,500
positioned to be resilient to climate

625
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:01,083
change. If you look at our flood maps,

626
01:21:01,416 --> 01:21:04,500
it's not, you know, it's got enough

627
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:06,125
elevation to it that most

628
01:21:06,125 --> 01:21:07,125
of the town isn't flooding.

629
01:21:07,958 --> 01:21:08,125
Right.

630
01:21:08,166 --> 01:21:10,666
It's a lot of the businesses tend to be

631
01:21:10,666 --> 01:21:12,166
the ones that are affected right now. And

632
01:21:12,166 --> 01:21:13,583
of course, that has major implications

633
01:21:13,583 --> 01:21:15,916
for the survivability of the town. But

634
01:21:15,916 --> 01:21:17,916
the town itself is relatively well

635
01:21:17,916 --> 01:21:20,500
protected. It's got great potential for

636
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:21,916
building resilient infrastructure.

637
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:24,500
There are communities on the US, on the

638
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:26,541
on the Maryland Eastern Shore that are,

639
01:21:26,541 --> 01:21:28,458
there's nothing you can do. You're like,

640
01:21:28,458 --> 01:21:30,708
like, they are so low lying. Parts of

641
01:21:30,708 --> 01:21:32,833
them are already below sea level. Like,

642
01:21:32,833 --> 01:21:35,458
there isn't really, there is no

643
01:21:35,458 --> 01:21:37,125
resilience building for some communities.

644
01:21:37,166 --> 01:21:38,291
Some communities are just going to have

645
01:21:38,291 --> 01:21:40,083
to move. St. Michael's is not one of

646
01:21:40,083 --> 01:21:42,500
them. So I you know, I look at all this

647
01:21:42,500 --> 01:21:43,916
stuff and I look at them and it's hopeful

648
01:21:43,916 --> 01:21:46,833
because it's, you know, it's a community

649
01:21:46,833 --> 01:21:50,041
that has the potential to build for

650
01:21:50,041 --> 01:21:51,416
resilient future and it's a

651
01:21:51,416 --> 01:21:52,625
community that's doing that.

652
01:21:53,375 --> 01:21:55,375
So it's a town that decided they wanted a

653
01:21:55,375 --> 01:21:56,875
climate change commission. I think we

654
01:21:56,875 --> 01:21:58,875
were the first town on the Maryland

655
01:21:58,875 --> 01:22:01,041
Eastern Shore to say we want a specific

656
01:22:01,041 --> 01:22:02,708
municipal body that is

657
01:22:02,708 --> 01:22:03,875
there to address climate change.

658
01:22:04,666 --> 01:22:07,875
We have, you know, the topology of the

659
01:22:07,875 --> 01:22:10,041
town is right to build resilient

660
01:22:10,041 --> 01:22:12,750
infrastructure. You can see there's a lot

661
01:22:12,750 --> 01:22:14,333
of towns further down the peninsula from

662
01:22:14,333 --> 01:22:15,625
us that have to you have to go through

663
01:22:15,625 --> 01:22:16,625
St. Michael's to get to.

664
01:22:16,916 --> 01:22:18,500
So, you know, St. Michael's is kind of

665
01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:19,791
the gateway to the rest of the Bay

666
01:22:19,791 --> 01:22:22,875
hundred, which is what our area is

667
01:22:22,875 --> 01:22:27,250
called, because a hundred is a colonial

668
01:22:27,250 --> 01:22:30,291
term for an amount of land that has

669
01:22:31,833 --> 01:22:33,875
enough population that you can raise a

670
01:22:33,875 --> 01:22:35,708
hundred able bodied men for a militia.

671
01:22:36,916 --> 01:22:38,625
Oh, the Maryland Eastern Shore was

672
01:22:38,625 --> 01:22:41,000
separated into hundreds back in the day.

673
01:22:41,791 --> 01:22:43,291
We're we're one of the last areas that

674
01:22:43,291 --> 01:22:44,750
still refers to ourselves as the bay

675
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:45,875
hundred as the bay

676
01:22:45,875 --> 01:22:47,500
hundred. Okay, interesting.

677
01:22:47,500 --> 01:22:49,583
So that's that's why it's called the bay

678
01:22:49,583 --> 01:22:50,750
hundred. But the rest of the bay hundred

679
01:22:50,750 --> 01:22:52,833
depends on St. Michael's for access. So

680
01:22:52,833 --> 01:22:54,833
if St. Michael's goes down, then a lot of

681
01:22:54,833 --> 01:22:56,541
other communities fail to. So it's a very

682
01:22:56,541 --> 01:22:58,791
kind of critical area to address.

683
01:23:00,083 --> 01:23:02,041
Now, when going through the climate

684
01:23:02,041 --> 01:23:05,375
commission and doing the studies and, you

685
01:23:05,375 --> 01:23:07,833
know, doing a project like this, was

686
01:23:07,833 --> 01:23:11,375
there much resistance to from from other

687
01:23:11,375 --> 01:23:14,708
citizens who maybe are not always for

688
01:23:14,708 --> 01:23:16,458
doing work in climate change?

689
01:23:17,166 --> 01:23:19,166
Or was this, hey, we're actually getting

690
01:23:19,166 --> 01:23:21,250
flooded here. This is something that's

691
01:23:21,250 --> 01:23:22,791
concerning whether we call it what we can

692
01:23:22,791 --> 01:23:24,583
call it whatever we want. This is just

693
01:23:24,583 --> 01:23:26,333
concerning. I'm just curious in terms of

694
01:23:26,333 --> 01:23:28,083
like the feedback that you and the

695
01:23:28,083 --> 01:23:29,750
commission got and the government got.

696
01:23:30,541 --> 01:23:32,625
Yeah. So just to give you some context,

697
01:23:33,291 --> 01:23:35,875
you know, Maryland is a very progressive

698
01:23:35,875 --> 01:23:38,666
state in general. The Maryland Eastern

699
01:23:38,666 --> 01:23:41,250
Shore is generally not. We're sort of the

700
01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:43,250
red district in a sea of blue.

701
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:47,125
But we're also a coastal community and

702
01:23:47,125 --> 01:23:49,083
we're a community that relies on the

703
01:23:49,083 --> 01:23:51,416
water and, you know, people are not blind

704
01:23:51,416 --> 01:23:52,083
to what's actually

705
01:23:52,083 --> 01:23:53,166
happening in front of them.

706
01:23:54,208 --> 01:23:55,541
So, you know, there are a few

707
01:23:55,541 --> 01:23:57,750
constituents who say, hey, we don't want

708
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:59,000
to deal with climate change. We don't

709
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,458
want to think about it. For the most

710
01:24:00,458 --> 01:24:02,333
part, we have an incredible amount of

711
01:24:02,333 --> 01:24:04,666
support from the town, from the town

712
01:24:04,666 --> 01:24:05,375
commission and from

713
01:24:05,375 --> 01:24:06,125
the community at large.

714
01:24:07,166 --> 01:24:09,125
And, you know, what I like to say when

715
01:24:09,125 --> 01:24:10,166
people say, all right, well, why do we

716
01:24:10,166 --> 01:24:11,333
need to worry about this is like, look,

717
01:24:11,875 --> 01:24:13,250
you know, my job is not to convince you

718
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:15,333
that climate change is real. My job is to

719
01:24:15,333 --> 01:24:16,625
make sure that an ambulance can get to

720
01:24:16,625 --> 01:24:17,791
your house at the middle

721
01:24:17,791 --> 01:24:19,291
of high tide on a sunny day.

722
01:24:20,208 --> 01:24:22,375
And right now we had three high tides in

723
01:24:22,375 --> 01:24:24,666
a row where that was not possible. So,

724
01:24:24,666 --> 01:24:31,041
you know, regardless of what your

725
01:24:31,041 --> 01:24:32,791
personal beliefs are regarding the

726
01:24:32,791 --> 01:24:34,583
science of climate change, which climate

727
01:24:34,583 --> 01:24:35,166
change is real and is happening in itself.

728
01:25:00,041 --> 01:25:00,083
And so to get into start a new seems and a filler for the long time starts to happen. And because climate change
is you know? I racism is what the future. Something like that to us. Was Whiskey called challenged over a bug

729
01:25:00,083 --> 01:25:00,541
looking at really ELEac's

730
01:25:00,541 --> 01:25:02,583
Why are areas like the people we check wanting to meet run state like freestyle field and then Internalenzie Conway who's also' information, you know, we're looking at

731
01:25:02,583 --> 01:25:03,458
this story map, which

732
01:25:03,458 --> 01:25:05,416
kind of gives us enlightens us in terms

733
01:25:05,416 --> 01:25:07,166
of, you know, what it is

734
01:25:07,166 --> 01:25:08,458
like, I'm looking at, or it

735
01:25:08,458 --> 01:25:09,708
looks like what a what a great

736
01:25:10,500 --> 01:25:11,916
crab and steakhouse that's

737
01:25:11,916 --> 01:25:13,333
pretty much underwater or the

738
01:25:13,333 --> 01:25:16,125
rounded it's underwater. So the crab,

739
01:25:16,125 --> 01:25:17,583
crab and steak, steak,

740
01:25:17,625 --> 01:25:20,500
crab claw, there is a, oh, actually, I

741
01:25:20,500 --> 01:25:21,000
think the picture of

742
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:21,958
this crab and steak claw,

743
01:25:21,958 --> 01:25:23,250
they've changed the name. But

744
01:25:23,375 --> 01:25:25,125
one of them is a restaurant called the

745
01:25:25,125 --> 01:25:27,833
crab claw. Okay. And

746
01:25:27,958 --> 01:25:29,958
they, at one point, their

747
01:25:29,958 --> 01:25:31,083
front, their lower level was

748
01:25:31,083 --> 01:25:32,666
underwater. So consistently that they

749
01:25:32,666 --> 01:25:34,833
made it like an experience.

750
01:25:35,666 --> 01:25:37,083
So you could go have crabs in the bay,

751
01:25:37,666 --> 01:25:39,208
you know, sit at the picnic

752
01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:41,500
table and the bay would be coming up with

753
01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:42,416
the high tide while you're

754
01:25:42,416 --> 01:25:44,041
eating your crabs and you can just toss

755
01:25:44,041 --> 01:25:45,083
your refuse right into the

756
01:25:45,083 --> 01:25:47,875
water. That's that's adaptation, I guess.

757
01:25:47,875 --> 01:25:49,000
I mean, you know, it's

758
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,208
adaptation, it's resilience hits. Yeah,

759
01:25:51,208 --> 01:25:52,291
it's a declaration that

760
01:25:52,291 --> 01:25:53,708
like, we're acknowledging the problem,

761
01:25:53,708 --> 01:25:54,250
we're going to deal with

762
01:25:54,250 --> 01:25:55,583
it as we can. They are in the

763
01:25:55,583 --> 01:25:57,000
process of raising their lower

764
01:25:57,083 --> 01:26:00,458
deck and doing a whole retrofit to make

765
01:26:00,458 --> 01:26:03,208
it passable again. Yeah,

766
01:26:03,916 --> 01:26:05,333
there were a lot of venues that were

767
01:26:05,333 --> 01:26:08,583
underwater. One of former

768
01:26:08,583 --> 01:26:11,500
climate change commissioner ran one of

769
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:12,750
the tour boats out of town.

770
01:26:13,291 --> 01:26:15,166
And he did a very good job of keeping

771
01:26:15,166 --> 01:26:16,708
records of how often his

772
01:26:16,708 --> 01:26:19,500
dock was inaccessible. And it went from

773
01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:22,291
in 2010, his dock was

774
01:26:22,291 --> 01:26:24,541
inaccessible because of flooding four

775
01:26:24,541 --> 01:26:25,750
days a year, five days a

776
01:26:25,791 --> 01:26:28,583
year, I think it's back in 2010. Yeah, so

777
01:26:28,583 --> 01:26:30,125
I've got let me make sure I'm

778
01:26:30,125 --> 01:26:31,041
got the right numbers.

779
01:26:32,458 --> 01:26:35,208
Yeah, so in 2010, it was obstructed six

780
01:26:35,208 --> 01:26:37,250
times during the year. And in

781
01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:40,000
2022, his dock was obstructed 44 times.

782
01:26:40,875 --> 01:26:42,000
So these are, you know,

783
01:26:42,833 --> 01:26:44,791
these are business owners who are keeping

784
01:26:44,791 --> 01:26:45,791
track of what's happening

785
01:26:45,833 --> 01:26:48,083
and are noticing that like that impacts

786
01:26:48,083 --> 01:26:50,041
his bottom line that 44 times a

787
01:26:50,041 --> 01:26:51,500
year, customers could

788
01:26:51,500 --> 01:26:52,625
not get to his business.

789
01:26:53,416 --> 01:26:55,583
That's unreal. Now it's kind of

790
01:26:55,583 --> 01:26:57,875
interesting because it's data that

791
01:26:57,875 --> 01:26:59,416
matters to his business. So he's looking

792
01:26:59,416 --> 01:27:02,041
at it. He's trying to figure out ways to

793
01:27:02,041 --> 01:27:04,083
adapt to it to figure out ways to change.

794
01:27:04,791 --> 01:27:06,291
It's really interesting how the story map

795
01:27:06,291 --> 01:27:08,875
is laid out here because you know, you've

796
01:27:08,875 --> 01:27:11,041
got, I think it's like nine different

797
01:27:11,041 --> 01:27:12,500
sites here that are different

798
01:27:12,500 --> 01:27:14,166
streets and talking about how

799
01:27:14,208 --> 01:27:16,333
frequently, you know, they're, they're

800
01:27:16,333 --> 01:27:18,583
underwater and you see the pictures that

801
01:27:18,583 --> 01:27:20,416
come up of them underwater, you know, a

802
01:27:20,416 --> 01:27:23,291
San Domingo Creek, you've got Chester

803
01:27:23,291 --> 01:27:24,791
Park Lane to North Street, so you've got

804
01:27:24,791 --> 01:27:26,875
you've got it like pretty much laid out

805
01:27:26,875 --> 01:27:31,041
of what is what could happen and and the

806
01:27:31,041 --> 01:27:32,583
people who are from St. Michael's have

807
01:27:32,583 --> 01:27:34,750
probably seen this and they probably know

808
01:27:34,750 --> 01:27:36,333
about it's probably a topic of discussion

809
01:27:36,333 --> 01:27:38,916
in terms of roads are out or so forth. So

810
01:27:38,916 --> 01:27:40,083
it becomes really important. Now, the

811
01:27:40,083 --> 01:27:41,958
time going back to the tide gauge in

812
01:27:41,958 --> 01:27:43,625
that, you know, that's an

813
01:27:43,625 --> 01:27:44,166
exciting project to have.

814
01:27:44,208 --> 01:27:44,416
And I think it's really important to get

815
01:27:44,416 --> 01:27:47,083
the data, but obviously data feeds into

816
01:27:47,083 --> 01:27:49,333
better management at the end. So you have

817
01:27:49,333 --> 01:27:50,375
this in there. It's been in there since

818
01:27:50,375 --> 01:27:54,166
December 2024. What do you want or what

819
01:27:54,166 --> 01:27:55,708
are you hoping and what is the commission

820
01:27:55,708 --> 01:27:56,875
hoping to get out of it?

821
01:27:56,875 --> 01:27:59,041
So there's really three key things that

822
01:27:59,041 --> 01:28:01,458
we want to learn from the tide gauge. And

823
01:28:01,458 --> 01:28:02,875
I will say that this is not a permanent

824
01:28:02,875 --> 01:28:06,458
structure. The ultimate goal is to prove

825
01:28:06,458 --> 01:28:08,000
that the town of St. Michael's needs its

826
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,458
own dedicated title station that's

827
01:28:10,458 --> 01:28:12,250
supported by NOAA or the USGS.

828
01:28:12,291 --> 01:28:14,208
And that's that's an expensive

829
01:28:14,208 --> 01:28:15,750
proposition. That's a proposition that

830
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:17,125
requires a lot of grant making. And so

831
01:28:17,125 --> 01:28:19,791
having that data ahead of time is key to

832
01:28:19,791 --> 01:28:21,500
that. So part of that is demonstrating

833
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:23,416
that our tides are out of cycle enough

834
01:28:23,416 --> 01:28:25,166
that we need our own tide station.

835
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,916
We want to have documentation of each

836
01:28:28,916 --> 01:28:31,583
flooding event so that we can say as the

837
01:28:31,583 --> 01:28:35,750
years progress like in 2025 we had X

838
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:38,500
number of two foot floods and an X number

839
01:28:38,500 --> 01:28:40,291
of five foot floods. Hopefully we only

840
01:28:40,291 --> 01:28:42,958
have one but you know, we usually get at

841
01:28:42,958 --> 01:28:44,208
least one five foot flood a year.

842
01:28:45,416 --> 01:28:47,750
So we can actually show the community

843
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:49,583
like, hey, look, we're tracking this in

844
01:28:49,583 --> 01:28:52,666
real time now, like we've got the data

845
01:28:52,666 --> 01:28:55,625
and we can show the accumulation of more

846
01:28:55,625 --> 01:28:57,333
and more flooding because, you know, the

847
01:28:57,333 --> 01:28:58,833
infrastructure projects we're working on

848
01:28:58,833 --> 01:29:01,125
are not short projects. These all have

849
01:29:01,125 --> 01:29:03,000
five, 10, 15 year time horizons.

850
01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:04,875
And I think one of the big projects we're

851
01:29:04,875 --> 01:29:06,250
working on that's that's going to get a

852
01:29:06,250 --> 01:29:08,708
good bit of resilience to 2050 is

853
01:29:08,708 --> 01:29:11,416
probably a 20 year project. So we'll be

854
01:29:11,416 --> 01:29:14,000
done just in time for 2050. But it's a

855
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,500
major infrastructure build and has a

856
01:29:15,500 --> 01:29:16,791
tremendous amount of potential.

857
01:29:19,625 --> 01:29:20,916
And I think one of the things that we want to know, we want to know how often

858
01:29:20,916 --> 01:29:21,958
the floods are happening and we want to

859
01:29:21,958 --> 01:29:23,375
have those documented. We also want to

860
01:29:23,375 --> 01:29:26,000
know how out of phase St. Michael's is

861
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,041
with the other tide stations in our area

862
01:29:29,041 --> 01:29:31,416
because that has major ramifications for

863
01:29:31,416 --> 01:29:34,500
planning. If we know storm is coming, if

864
01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:37,333
we know there's a big surge, if we know

865
01:29:37,333 --> 01:29:40,666
we're about to get a ton of rainfall, we

866
01:29:40,666 --> 01:29:43,291
are as of now and I haven't done the full

867
01:29:43,291 --> 01:29:45,375
cycle analysis for the data we have.

868
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,000
Because I'm waiting on just getting a few

869
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,125
more months before we do that because

870
01:29:50,125 --> 01:29:54,166
title cycles are also seasonal. But at

871
01:29:54,166 --> 01:29:56,708
the moment, we are anywhere from 20

872
01:29:56,708 --> 01:29:59,833
minutes ahead to 40 minutes behind the

873
01:29:59,833 --> 01:30:02,333
tide station up the bay from us, which

874
01:30:02,333 --> 01:30:03,791
means we're I mean,

875
01:30:03,791 --> 01:30:05,208
that that is an hour range.

876
01:30:05,625 --> 01:30:08,500
That is the difference between saying a

877
01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:10,541
flood is going to arrive at six or flood

878
01:30:10,541 --> 01:30:12,375
is going to arrive at seven. And so

879
01:30:12,375 --> 01:30:14,583
knowing exactly how out of phase we are

880
01:30:14,583 --> 01:30:16,500
with with those other tide stations

881
01:30:16,500 --> 01:30:19,041
really helps for things like emergency

882
01:30:19,041 --> 01:30:21,666
planning. It helps for things like

883
01:30:21,666 --> 01:30:23,166
knowing when to launch your boat.

884
01:30:23,833 --> 01:30:26,000
It helps for things like knowing when to

885
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,791
maintain the buoy because I maintain the

886
01:30:27,791 --> 01:30:31,000
buoy by going in in chest waders. And if

887
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,958
the tide is 1.6 feet above mean sea

888
01:30:33,958 --> 01:30:36,083
level, I am going to be swamped and if

889
01:30:36,083 --> 01:30:37,791
it's 0.4 feet above mean sea

890
01:30:37,791 --> 01:30:39,333
level, I can tend to the buoy.

891
01:30:40,041 --> 01:30:41,791
Yeah, yeah. If it's 1.6 that

892
01:30:41,791 --> 01:30:43,166
you have you have water in your.

893
01:30:49,291 --> 01:30:50,958
So this is super interesting that the

894
01:30:50,958 --> 01:30:53,083
data here helps you make better

895
01:30:53,083 --> 01:30:54,500
management decisions from the commission

896
01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:55,708
sake and from the city

897
01:30:55,708 --> 01:30:56,791
sake or the town sake.

898
01:30:58,041 --> 01:30:59,875
And then are people interested now? Like,

899
01:30:59,875 --> 01:31:01,208
are they looking at the map? Like, are

900
01:31:01,208 --> 01:31:02,125
they looking online? Are

901
01:31:02,125 --> 01:31:03,333
they talking to you about it?

902
01:31:04,166 --> 01:31:05,500
You know, obviously, I know you have kids

903
01:31:05,500 --> 01:31:07,000
programs around it, too. There's a

904
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,083
there's a picture view with and a couple

905
01:31:09,083 --> 01:31:10,416
of adults that with with

906
01:31:10,416 --> 01:31:11,458
like some kids and stuff.

907
01:31:12,208 --> 01:31:14,583
Is this something that people are are

908
01:31:14,583 --> 01:31:16,333
interested in and interested in the data?

909
01:31:16,708 --> 01:31:18,583
Yeah, so the town is very involved.

910
01:31:19,250 --> 01:31:21,333
They're working on getting the tide

911
01:31:21,333 --> 01:31:23,250
charts up on the official town website as

912
01:31:23,250 --> 01:31:26,083
well. Nice. That is also a process

913
01:31:26,083 --> 01:31:28,083
because usable governance is always a

914
01:31:28,083 --> 01:31:29,708
process and process is important.

915
01:31:31,458 --> 01:31:33,333
We do do a lot of work with kids. So the

916
01:31:33,333 --> 01:31:35,583
the St. Michael's Girl Scout troop 799

917
01:31:35,583 --> 01:31:38,041
has been very involved in this process.

918
01:31:38,458 --> 01:31:39,000
They were out there

919
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:40,000
for the first deployment.

920
01:31:40,625 --> 01:31:42,500
The buoy is actually also a time capsule.

921
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,083
So they all made little bits of art and

922
01:31:45,083 --> 01:31:46,625
wrote letters to the buoy and put it

923
01:31:46,625 --> 01:31:48,166
inside. So when we pull the buoy in a

924
01:31:48,166 --> 01:31:49,875
year, they'll get to see all their stuff.

925
01:31:50,166 --> 01:31:51,958
Oh, that's really hopefully won't be all

926
01:31:51,958 --> 01:31:54,791
soggy. They were they were they were out

927
01:31:54,791 --> 01:31:56,500
there for the deployment. And I will say

928
01:31:56,500 --> 01:32:00,625
that in the true spirit of rogue marine

929
01:32:00,625 --> 01:32:05,750
science, we decided before I realized you

930
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:07,625
could just walk out in chest waiters.

931
01:32:08,208 --> 01:32:08,416
Yeah.

932
01:32:08,833 --> 01:32:10,333
Because I didn't have a buoy out there to

933
01:32:10,333 --> 01:32:11,458
tell me how deep it was. Right.

934
01:32:13,583 --> 01:32:15,666
We decided to do the initial deployment

935
01:32:15,666 --> 01:32:19,583
in a canoe. Okay. And so all of the the

936
01:32:19,583 --> 01:32:23,000
dads of the scout troop piled into I had

937
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:24,583
one of those big aluminum grumman commute

938
01:32:24,583 --> 01:32:28,958
canoes loaded up the buoy with 50 pounds

939
01:32:28,958 --> 01:32:30,708
of ballast because that's what's weighing

940
01:32:30,708 --> 01:32:31,583
it down at the bottom.

941
01:32:32,083 --> 01:32:32,208
Right.

942
01:32:32,250 --> 01:32:33,458
And then we paddled out to the middle of

943
01:32:33,458 --> 01:32:36,166
honeymoon lagoon and then proceeded to

944
01:32:36,166 --> 01:32:39,625
completely flip the canoe. Well, all the

945
01:32:39,625 --> 01:32:41,458
girl scouts were watching their dads just

946
01:32:41,458 --> 01:32:44,416
get soaked. And I think that's important.

947
01:32:45,208 --> 01:32:47,625
I think it is important for kids to see

948
01:32:47,625 --> 01:32:48,791
their parents make big

949
01:32:48,791 --> 01:32:50,125
mistakes and laugh it off.

950
01:32:50,583 --> 01:32:53,875
Yeah, 100%. That's fun. That was fun.

951
01:32:54,250 --> 01:32:55,750
There's video online if you can find it.

952
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:57,250
I think I said it to the tune of Yaketty

953
01:32:57,250 --> 01:33:00,333
Saxe of us doing the buoy deployment and

954
01:33:00,333 --> 01:33:02,000
flipping the canoe at the same time. I'll

955
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:02,875
send you a link to that

956
01:33:02,875 --> 01:33:04,166
because that is the real story.

957
01:33:04,916 --> 01:33:06,125
That's the real story. You know what?

958
01:33:06,125 --> 01:33:07,666
That might have to be the next clip. Your

959
01:33:07,666 --> 01:33:09,166
clips do well. I feel like that's going

960
01:33:09,166 --> 01:33:11,166
to be the next clip. You know, of you

961
01:33:11,166 --> 01:33:13,041
talking in the background and doing that.

962
01:33:13,041 --> 01:33:14,208
I think that'll be that'll be great.

963
01:33:14,250 --> 01:33:18,125
Now, one thing that's that's always great

964
01:33:18,125 --> 01:33:20,125
about projects like this is that you can

965
01:33:20,125 --> 01:33:23,208
almost duplicate it or do similar studies

966
01:33:23,208 --> 01:33:25,708
elsewhere, not necessarily in your well,

967
01:33:25,708 --> 01:33:27,208
actually, I should ask first, do you plan

968
01:33:27,208 --> 01:33:29,250
on putting more buoys out there or is it

969
01:33:29,250 --> 01:33:30,833
just this one here is going to be the one

970
01:33:30,833 --> 01:33:31,875
that gives you the

971
01:33:31,875 --> 01:33:33,125
information that you need.

972
01:33:34,250 --> 01:33:36,541
Yeah, this is this is my buoy and the

973
01:33:36,541 --> 01:33:39,166
plan is for it to stay out there for a

974
01:33:39,166 --> 01:33:41,125
year. And then we're going to move it to

975
01:33:41,125 --> 01:33:43,416
other priority sites and do similar

976
01:33:43,416 --> 01:33:44,666
analysis at other priority sites.

977
01:33:45,166 --> 01:33:47,666
However, because it is built on the open

978
01:33:47,666 --> 01:33:50,250
CTD, which is 100% open source platform

979
01:33:50,250 --> 01:33:52,333
and is built on the bristlemouth

980
01:33:52,333 --> 01:33:54,375
communication standard, which is 100%

981
01:33:54,750 --> 01:33:56,541
open source communication standard.

982
01:33:58,250 --> 01:34:00,125
So it's very easy to integrate your own

983
01:34:00,125 --> 01:34:02,000
buoy with one of these tide gauges

984
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:05,333
anywhere that you want on the on the

985
01:34:05,333 --> 01:34:09,000
website. You'll find a link to the GitHub

986
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:10,833
repository. If you're the kind of person

987
01:34:10,833 --> 01:34:12,958
that likes GitHub repositories. Yeah,

988
01:34:12,958 --> 01:34:14,583
yeah, yeah. And we've got all the source

989
01:34:14,583 --> 01:34:18,583
code there for the the tide gauge itself

990
01:34:18,583 --> 01:34:20,875
for the communication protocol to get it

991
01:34:20,875 --> 01:34:21,791
talking to bristlemouth.

992
01:34:23,250 --> 01:34:25,500
And we have to rebuild some libraries for

993
01:34:25,500 --> 01:34:27,958
the microcontroller that we're using. And

994
01:34:27,958 --> 01:34:29,333
we have the source code up for the tide

995
01:34:29,333 --> 01:34:31,500
chart too. So if you want to implement

996
01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:34,041
this in your own town, it is ready to go.

997
01:34:34,333 --> 01:34:36,333
It is plug and play. I say plug and play.

998
01:34:36,333 --> 01:34:37,458
It is plug and play if you know how to

999
01:34:37,458 --> 01:34:39,291
use a soldering iron. So the opposite of

1000
01:34:39,291 --> 01:34:42,000
plug and play. But it is the main

1001
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,250
implementation challenges have been

1002
01:34:44,250 --> 01:34:47,666
handled. So if you want to do this in

1003
01:34:47,666 --> 01:34:50,375
your own town and you have access to a so

1004
01:34:50,375 --> 01:34:51,916
far spotter buoy, which is kind of the

1005
01:34:51,916 --> 01:34:52,208
limiting factor there because the spotter is not a

1006
01:34:52,250 --> 01:34:53,708
factor there because the spotter buoys

1007
01:34:53,708 --> 01:34:55,375
aren't particularly cheap, but they're

1008
01:34:55,375 --> 01:34:59,083
not super expensive either for a town. We

1009
01:34:59,083 --> 01:35:01,458
can really put these anywhere. And the

1010
01:35:01,458 --> 01:35:04,125
spotter platform is tough. I mean, I'm

1011
01:35:04,125 --> 01:35:05,458
sure you've seen the videos of them

1012
01:35:05,458 --> 01:35:07,291
dropping spotter buoys into Hurricane

1013
01:35:07,291 --> 01:35:10,166
Helene. Yes. So they are they are

1014
01:35:10,166 --> 01:35:13,583
durable. They take a beating up minus

1015
01:35:13,583 --> 01:35:15,208
currently very biofouled. So I'm gonna

1016
01:35:15,208 --> 01:35:16,458
have to go out this weekend and give this

1017
01:35:16,458 --> 01:35:19,708
scrub. But other than that, it is, it is

1018
01:35:19,708 --> 01:35:21,750
a robust little little buoy.

1019
01:35:22,250 --> 01:35:24,458
And we're hoping that the gauge holds for

1020
01:35:24,458 --> 01:35:26,166
the entire year. I may have to go out and

1021
01:35:26,166 --> 01:35:27,916
do some repairs because of course I'm

1022
01:35:27,916 --> 01:35:29,458
also testing some experimental hardware

1023
01:35:29,458 --> 01:35:31,291
with it as well. But of course you are.

1024
01:35:31,625 --> 01:35:34,791
Everything is as one as one. Andrew

1025
01:35:34,791 --> 01:35:37,708
Thaler does as one does if you're Andrew

1026
01:35:37,708 --> 01:35:40,541
Thaler. Yeah, for sure. So this is

1027
01:35:40,541 --> 01:35:41,791
interesting that, you know, a couple of

1028
01:35:41,791 --> 01:35:44,541
weeks ago I had on the people from the

1029
01:35:44,541 --> 01:35:46,041
Center of American American Progress.

1030
01:35:46,250 --> 01:35:47,750
You know, a good friend of ours, Angela

1031
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:51,041
Villa Gomez, Dalia Haddia, came on the

1032
01:35:51,041 --> 01:35:52,250
podcast, talked about near shore

1033
01:35:52,250 --> 01:35:55,416
conservation. And this is really a form

1034
01:35:55,416 --> 01:35:56,791
of near shore conservation like looking

1035
01:35:56,791 --> 01:35:58,458
at where you live in your local

1036
01:35:58,458 --> 01:36:02,208
community, helping lead it, you know,

1037
01:36:02,208 --> 01:36:03,458
providing information, providing

1038
01:36:03,458 --> 01:36:06,458
connections and your expertise as well as

1039
01:36:06,458 --> 01:36:08,625
along with along with other people within

1040
01:36:08,625 --> 01:36:10,458
the commission and working with

1041
01:36:10,458 --> 01:36:12,208
government. But essentially being like

1042
01:36:12,208 --> 01:36:13,250
this, I know you probably don't like

1043
01:36:13,250 --> 01:36:14,500
being called this, but like this ocean

1044
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:15,208
hero for that community to just be like, look, I'm gonna have to do this.

1045
01:36:15,250 --> 01:36:44,208
I love where people are. It's a tool I set out here to bed, but it's it's a tool I set out. Let's feel good. Anyway, this is the sort of community who I listen to that, here, I happened to be doing this live on the podcast.

1046
01:36:44,250 --> 01:36:46,333
They may not have a PhD, they may not

1047
01:36:46,333 --> 01:36:47,083
have a master's, they

1048
01:36:47,083 --> 01:36:49,166
may not have a degree in

1049
01:36:49,500 --> 01:36:50,625
marine biology or any

1050
01:36:50,625 --> 01:36:52,333
kind of aquatic biology.

1051
01:36:53,041 --> 01:36:56,458
What would you recommend they do to maybe

1052
01:36:56,458 --> 01:36:57,000
not take on a

1053
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,208
particular project like this

1054
01:36:58,208 --> 01:36:59,958
or maybe do take on a particular project,

1055
01:36:59,958 --> 01:37:03,125
but kind of lead or help lead these types

1056
01:37:03,125 --> 01:37:05,541
of initiatives in their own area, their

1057
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own local community?

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I mean, you know, the line I've been

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saying for a while now

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is local government, local

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01:37:11,875 --> 01:37:12,833
government, local government.

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If you care about how your community is

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01:37:15,625 --> 01:37:16,916
developing, if you care

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01:37:16,916 --> 01:37:19,333
about the future of your town

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01:37:19,333 --> 01:37:21,750
or your neighborhood or your city, right

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now the best thing you

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01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:23,708
can do is to figure out

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where in the municipal structure of your

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01:37:25,833 --> 01:37:27,458
government that your

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01:37:27,458 --> 01:37:28,916
skills and your passions can be

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01:37:28,916 --> 01:37:31,875
applied and run for positions.

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01:37:33,250 --> 01:37:35,041
You know, towns have waterways boards,

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01:37:35,291 --> 01:37:36,000
towns have wetlands

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commissions, towns have planning

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01:37:37,416 --> 01:37:38,291
and zoning commissions.

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01:37:39,791 --> 01:37:41,708
Most of them don't require a ton of

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01:37:41,708 --> 01:37:43,375
expertise and a lot of

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01:37:43,375 --> 01:37:44,500
them you'll go and you'll look

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01:37:44,500 --> 01:37:45,750
at the people who are actually making

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01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:46,791
decisions and being like,

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01:37:46,791 --> 01:37:48,166
how did they end up there?

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01:37:48,750 --> 01:37:48,958
Yeah.

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01:37:49,916 --> 01:37:53,541
You know, so finding roles to play in

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01:37:53,541 --> 01:37:54,375
your local government,

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01:37:54,375 --> 01:37:55,166
because that's really where

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01:37:55,166 --> 01:37:56,041
the rubber hits the road

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01:37:56,041 --> 01:37:57,125
for a lot of these things.

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01:37:57,125 --> 01:37:59,000
You know, you hear about big federal

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01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,833
initiatives to address climate change.

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01:38:00,833 --> 01:38:03,291
And when you look at what those actually

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01:38:03,291 --> 01:38:04,416
entail, those entail

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01:38:04,416 --> 01:38:06,125
giving grants to states, which

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01:38:06,166 --> 01:38:08,041
then give grants to counties, which then

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01:38:08,041 --> 01:38:08,916
give grants to local

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01:38:08,916 --> 01:38:10,333
projects and local municipalities.

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01:38:11,166 --> 01:38:12,666
And so getting on the ground in your

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01:38:12,666 --> 01:38:13,458
local government,

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01:38:13,458 --> 01:38:14,583
getting involved in your local

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01:38:14,583 --> 01:38:16,291
community, it doesn't have to be formal

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01:38:16,291 --> 01:38:17,583
government, it can be kind

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01:38:17,583 --> 01:38:18,750
of the informal government

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01:38:18,750 --> 01:38:19,208
as well.

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01:38:19,208 --> 01:38:21,125
You can join an NGO, you can, you know, I

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01:38:21,125 --> 01:38:22,500
serve on our county's

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01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:23,458
library board as well.

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01:38:24,458 --> 01:38:25,458
So it can be things like that.

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01:38:25,458 --> 01:38:28,333
But, you know, at this point, at this

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01:38:28,333 --> 01:38:31,750
moment in history, you

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01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:32,958
know, the best thing you can

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01:38:32,958 --> 01:38:34,291
do is get yourself into a position where

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01:38:34,291 --> 01:38:35,166
you can make decisions.

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01:38:35,833 --> 01:38:36,041
Yeah.

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01:38:36,750 --> 01:38:37,583
Yeah, I love it.

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01:38:37,875 --> 01:38:38,500
I think it's great.

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01:38:38,500 --> 01:38:39,666
I think it's a perfect

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01:38:39,666 --> 01:38:41,125
way to end this podcast.

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01:38:41,375 --> 01:38:42,208
Andrew, this has always

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01:38:42,208 --> 01:38:43,666
been a pleasure to have you on.

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01:38:44,041 --> 01:38:45,625
Love how you're taking a lead.

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01:38:45,625 --> 01:38:46,916
I love how you're helping out your town

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01:38:46,916 --> 01:38:48,375
and yourself learning

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01:38:48,375 --> 01:38:50,083
more and more every day.

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01:38:50,916 --> 01:38:51,916
And I think it's really important,

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01:38:51,916 --> 01:38:52,500
though, to set up

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01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:54,416
something like this for a local

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01:38:54,583 --> 01:38:56,500
action, doing all the work.

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01:38:56,500 --> 01:38:57,375
I know it doesn't.

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01:38:57,375 --> 01:38:58,500
It's not as if it's done overnight.

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01:38:58,500 --> 01:38:59,583
It takes a long time.

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01:38:59,583 --> 01:39:01,541
It takes a lot of time to dedicate and a

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01:39:01,541 --> 01:39:02,291
lot of thought process.

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01:39:02,333 --> 01:39:03,958
And so really do appreciate what you're

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01:39:03,958 --> 01:39:05,666
doing for for the town of St. Michael's,

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01:39:05,666 --> 01:39:08,208
but also for our community here on.

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01:39:09,500 --> 01:39:10,625
I really appreciate it.

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01:39:10,625 --> 01:39:12,833
And of course, love to have you back on.

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01:39:13,666 --> 01:39:14,833
Thank you so much for having me.

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01:39:14,833 --> 01:39:15,916
I'm sure I'll be back.

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01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,333
Absolutely. Thanks so much.

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01:39:20,166 --> 01:39:20,625
Thank you.

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01:39:20,625 --> 01:39:22,000
Thank you, Andrew, for joining me on

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01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,041
today's episode of the How

1143
01:39:23,041 --> 01:39:23,916
to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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01:39:23,916 --> 01:39:26,125
It was always great to have you on.

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01:39:26,125 --> 01:39:28,000
Can't wait to have you back, which you

1146
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:28,916
never know might be next week.

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01:39:28,916 --> 01:39:29,416
I don't know.

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01:39:30,500 --> 01:39:31,583
Every time he comes up, he's like, you

1149
01:39:31,583 --> 01:39:32,208
want to talk about this?

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01:39:32,250 --> 01:39:33,125
I'm like, absolutely.

1151
01:39:33,375 --> 01:39:34,375
I do want to talk about this.

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01:39:34,666 --> 01:39:36,083
And you can tell he doesn't like being

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01:39:36,083 --> 01:39:36,916
called Ocean Hero,

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01:39:37,166 --> 01:39:39,083
but he is a local hero.

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01:39:39,375 --> 01:39:41,166
He does things because he executes.

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01:39:41,416 --> 01:39:42,375
That's the one thing that's the

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01:39:42,375 --> 01:39:43,541
difference between a lot of people.

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01:39:43,541 --> 01:39:45,291
I was talking to him after we recorded

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01:39:45,291 --> 01:39:46,416
and I said, hey, you know what?

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01:39:46,666 --> 01:39:48,000
Like there's all these times where you

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01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:48,916
can jump on commissions.

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01:39:49,125 --> 01:39:50,500
You can jump on meetings and local

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01:39:50,500 --> 01:39:51,958
meetings and government and all this kind

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01:39:51,958 --> 01:39:53,416
of stuff, even just extra critters stuff

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01:39:53,416 --> 01:39:54,458
like, hey, we should talk

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01:39:54,458 --> 01:39:55,125
about this kind of stuff.

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01:39:55,125 --> 01:39:56,291
And you can talk and talk and talk.

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01:39:56,708 --> 01:39:57,833
But until you execute, you

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01:39:57,833 --> 01:39:58,791
don't really get stuff done.

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01:39:59,083 --> 01:40:00,875
And that happens a lot within our field.

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01:40:00,875 --> 01:40:01,958
That happens in any field.

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01:40:02,250 --> 01:40:03,750
Any business or anything like that.

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01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:05,750
And the fact is, Andrew executes and he

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01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:07,250
likes to share what he's done and what

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01:40:07,250 --> 01:40:08,375
he's been able to do and hopefully

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01:40:08,375 --> 01:40:10,958
inspire you to stand up for your local

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01:40:10,958 --> 01:40:12,750
community and be like, hey, we need this

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01:40:12,750 --> 01:40:14,875
either a tide gauge or we need something

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01:40:14,875 --> 01:40:16,583
else that's important or we need to ban

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01:40:16,583 --> 01:40:17,958
something or we need to talk to our

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01:40:17,958 --> 01:40:19,000
people about something.

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01:40:19,208 --> 01:40:21,416
It's important to feel that inspiration

1183
01:40:21,416 --> 01:40:23,291
and to watch other people go through what

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01:40:23,291 --> 01:40:24,958
they've done and you can learn from their

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01:40:24,958 --> 01:40:26,791
challenges and how they overcame them and

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01:40:26,791 --> 01:40:27,500
from their successes

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01:40:27,500 --> 01:40:28,500
and how they got there.

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01:40:28,708 --> 01:40:29,791
This was obviously a

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01:40:29,791 --> 01:40:31,666
long term thing for Andrew.

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01:40:31,666 --> 01:40:32,791
It's something that took two years to

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01:40:32,791 --> 01:40:33,916
just put the gauge in the

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01:40:33,916 --> 01:40:35,375
water and get it all approved.

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01:40:35,541 --> 01:40:36,375
You know, government, especially

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01:40:36,375 --> 01:40:37,083
municipal government,

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01:40:37,083 --> 01:40:38,708
work slow as it should.

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01:40:38,708 --> 01:40:39,458
That's the way it does.

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01:40:39,458 --> 01:40:41,291
They make sure they dot their eyes and

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01:40:41,291 --> 01:40:43,333
cross their T's, but it does take a while

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01:40:43,333 --> 01:40:44,750
and you have to be patient.

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01:40:44,750 --> 01:40:45,875
And once you get it, you have to just

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01:40:45,875 --> 01:40:46,958
continue and be persistent.

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01:40:47,416 --> 01:40:48,916
And then now you've got data and you've

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01:40:48,916 --> 01:40:51,125
got this nice story map and you've got

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01:40:51,125 --> 01:40:53,333
information as great way of communicating

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01:40:53,333 --> 01:40:54,875
to the local town of St.

1206
01:40:54,875 --> 01:40:56,250
Michael's as well as other places.

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01:40:56,333 --> 01:40:59,166
So let's use this as a model of what you

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01:40:59,166 --> 01:41:01,000
can do in your own area.

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01:41:01,458 --> 01:41:11,500
I'd love to hear from you.

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01:41:13,333 --> 01:41:15,458
Just go to speak up for blue dot com

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01:41:15,458 --> 01:41:16,875
forward slash contact

1212
01:41:16,875 --> 01:41:18,083
and fill out the form.

1213
01:41:18,083 --> 01:41:18,583
Let me know what

1214
01:41:18,583 --> 01:41:19,750
project you're working on.

1215
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:26,791
That format, it goes

1216
01:41:26,791 --> 01:41:27,958
right to my personal email.

1217
01:41:27,958 --> 01:41:29,500
I'll answer you back and plan something

1218
01:41:29,500 --> 01:41:31,458
if you want to come on the

1219
01:41:31,458 --> 01:41:32,000
podcast and talk about it.

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01:41:32,083 --> 01:41:32,750
Not no worries.

1221
01:41:32,750 --> 01:41:33,833
You don't have to just want

1222
01:41:33,833 --> 01:41:35,250
to hear about your project.

1223
01:41:35,250 --> 01:41:36,916
But I want to thank you, Andrew, again.

1224
01:41:37,291 --> 01:41:37,750
And I want to thank

1225
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:38,625
you guys for listening.

1226
01:41:38,625 --> 01:41:40,458
This is always great to help support and

1227
01:41:40,458 --> 01:41:42,375
projects, but also to help support the

1228
01:41:42,375 --> 01:41:44,125
podcast by listening and sharing with

1229
01:41:44,125 --> 01:41:45,833
friends and family that you think will

1230
01:41:45,833 --> 01:41:47,333
get a lot of value out of this.

1231
01:41:47,333 --> 01:41:48,541
So I really do appreciate if you want to

1232
01:41:48,541 --> 01:41:50,458
get a hold of me, go to the website,

1233
01:41:50,458 --> 01:41:51,375
speak up blue dot com

1234
01:41:51,375 --> 01:41:52,500
forward slash contact.

1235
01:41:52,500 --> 01:41:54,166
Leave a comment in the YouTube video for

1236
01:41:54,166 --> 01:41:54,833
watching this on YouTube.

1237
01:41:55,166 --> 01:41:56,583
And if you're listening to this on Apple

1238
01:41:56,583 --> 01:41:58,208
podcast or your favorite podcast app,

1239
01:41:58,208 --> 01:41:59,458
just hit me up on Instagram

1240
01:41:59,458 --> 01:42:00,916
at how to protect the ocean.

1241
01:42:00,916 --> 01:42:02,291
That's at how to protect the ocean.

1242
01:42:02,291 --> 01:42:03,250
I want to thank you so much for joining

1243
01:42:03,250 --> 01:42:04,916
me on today's episode of the how to

1244
01:42:04,916 --> 01:42:05,833
protect the ocean podcast

1245
01:42:05,833 --> 01:42:07,166
from the true North strong free.

1246
01:42:07,166 --> 01:42:08,166
I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.

1247
01:42:08,458 --> 01:42:09,166
Have a great day.

1248
01:42:09,166 --> 01:42:09,750
We'll talk to you next

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01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:11,166
time and happy conservation.