How US Climate Policy Affects Renewable Energy and Ocean Conservation

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One of the things

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that's hard to

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put out is the

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entrepreneurial

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spirit.

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The

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entrepreneurial

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spirit of people

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who are getting

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into the

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renewable

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energy sector,

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the industry, who

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are trying to

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push forward

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renewable energy

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so we can

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depend less on

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fossil fuels and

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more on

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protecting the

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environment and

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still getting our

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energy needs.

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And that's what I

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was hoping to

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hear and I did

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hear in this

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interview with

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Chris Boyer

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today.

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We're talking

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about climate

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policy in the US,

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how it's changed

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over even the

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last few

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months compared

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to what it was

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over the last

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four years and

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the ups and downs

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of climate

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policy in the US

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in general and

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how that could

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affect and slow

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down

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renewable energy

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development

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in the US.

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We're going to

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talk about that

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on today's

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episode of the

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How to Protect

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the Ocean

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podcast.

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Let's

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start the show.

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Hey everybody,

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welcome back to

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another exciting

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episode of the

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How to Protect

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the Ocean

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podcast.

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I'm your host,

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Andrew Lewin, and

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this is the

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podcast where you

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find out what's

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happening

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with the ocean,

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how you can speak

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up for the ocean

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and what you can

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do to live for

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a better ocean by

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taking action.

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And when we talk

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about ocean

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conservation, we

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talk about

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climate change

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and we talk about

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climate policy

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and

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climate action.

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And to get

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action, you need

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to put forward

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good policy and

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you need to

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communicate that

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to a lot of

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people to ensure

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that that policy

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gets in place.

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And today's

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guest, Chris

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Moyer, who is the

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founder and CEO

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of Echo

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Communication

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Advisors

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is on the podcast

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today because he

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wants to talk to

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me about US

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climate policy,

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which is kind of

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a weird thing to

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talk about

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these days.

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But I thought it

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was important for

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you to listen to

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what's happened

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over the last

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five months in

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terms of climate

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policy

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under the Trump

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administration

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and how that's

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changed since the

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Biden

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administration

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and of course,

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the first Trump

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administration

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and how that up

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and down is

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affecting the way

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policies

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developed at a

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federal level and

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how energy

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projects are

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being put on hold

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or just being

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canceled

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altogether and

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how that could

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affect climate

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policy and just

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the push for a

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renewable energy

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increase over the

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next 10 years,

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over the next 20

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years and just

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into the future.

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So we talk a lot

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about what's

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happened

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recently.

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We talk a lot

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about the

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communications

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around that and

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how to get people

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motivated to talk

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to their local

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governmental

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officials and

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say, hey, you

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know what?

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I like these

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projects.

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I think this will

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be good

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for my area.

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I want to talk

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about it because

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that's the one

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thing he

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highlights is not

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a lot of people

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come out yet.

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The fossil fuel

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industry is out

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there all the

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time talking

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against these

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projects and it

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actually works.

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talk all about

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that on today's

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episode.

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that, if you want

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to take action

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for the ocean, if

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you want to take

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action for

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climate, you can

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do so by joining

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the undertow.

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This is a new

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project that I've

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been working on.

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We're building an

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online community

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of wave makers

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and people and

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connectors who

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want to

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take action.

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We're looking for

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10 million

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connections would

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take $5 million

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in action over

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the next

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five years.

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It's an ambitious

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goal, but we

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can't do it

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without you.

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Join the undertow

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by going to speak

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up for blue.com

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forward slash

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join the undertow

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that speak up for

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blue.com forward

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slash join the

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undertow.

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put the links in

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the show notes

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and in the

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description.

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watching this on

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YouTube, I want

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you to not only

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join, but listen

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to this interview

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to get motivated

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to say, hey, you

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know what?

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I want to help

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the ocean. I want

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to help

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climate change.

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Here's Chris

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Moyer talking

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about US ocean

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policy or US

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climate policy.

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Of course, that's

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ocean

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policy as well.

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interview and

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we'll talk

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to you after.

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Hey, Chris,

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welcome to the

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how to protect

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the ocean

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podcast.

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Are you ready to

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talk about

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climate policy?

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Yes, I am. Great

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to be

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here, Andrew.

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Wonderful. I'm

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about this.

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I'm excited in a

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way because I

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information about

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what's happening

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in the US in

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terms of

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climate policy.

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I'm not excited

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in the way I may

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not like the

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answers to some

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of these

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questions or some

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of the questions

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that I ask, but

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I'm so happy to

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have you on here.

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You have your own

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business. We're

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going to talk a

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about that.

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We're going to

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talk about the

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work that you do

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and where climate

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policy is at this

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point in time.

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Where has

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it come?

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Where it came

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from, you know,

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going out the ups

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really any

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country that we

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see, but

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especially in the

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US and especially

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these days with

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the second Trump

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administration

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coming in,

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causing a lot of

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chaos with the global climate policy.

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With

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environmental

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01:04:11,833 --> 01:04:12,416
policy,

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especially

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climate change.

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So we're going to

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talk a lot

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about that.

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But before we do,

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Chris, why don't

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you just let the

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audience know who

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you are and

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01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:19,875
what you do?

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Sir, and I have

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01:04:21,250 --> 01:04:22,000
to say, be

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01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:22,833
careful what you

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01:04:22,833 --> 01:04:23,458
ask for.

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01:04:23,708 --> 01:04:26,041
You may not like

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01:04:26,041 --> 01:04:26,875
the answers that

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01:04:26,875 --> 01:04:27,333
unfortunately

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01:04:27,333 --> 01:04:28,083
that's that's

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01:04:28,083 --> 01:04:28,541
probably where

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01:04:28,541 --> 01:04:28,750
it's going

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to be today.

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01:04:29,666 --> 01:04:31,000
But but

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yeah, I am.

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01:04:32,125 --> 01:04:33,000
I am about five

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years ago.

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01:04:33,375 --> 01:04:34,916
I founded Echo

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Communications

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01:04:35,458 --> 01:04:36,375
Advisors and we

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01:04:36,375 --> 01:04:37,541
are a policy

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first strategic

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01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:39,458
communications

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01:04:39,458 --> 01:04:39,791
firm.

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We work

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exclusively with

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clean energy

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companies with

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01:04:42,708 --> 01:04:43,333
climate tech

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01:04:43,333 --> 01:04:43,958
startups that are

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01:04:43,958 --> 01:04:44,625
doing really cool

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01:04:44,625 --> 01:04:45,333
things to address

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01:04:45,333 --> 01:04:46,125
climate change in

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01:04:46,125 --> 01:04:47,291
all various ways.

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01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:48,541
And we also work

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01:04:48,541 --> 01:04:49,083
with advocacy

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01:04:49,083 --> 01:04:49,708
organizations

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01:04:49,708 --> 01:04:50,541
that are seeking

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to shape and make

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01:04:52,333 --> 01:04:52,916
better climate

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01:04:52,916 --> 01:04:53,708
policy in the

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United States.

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01:04:55,625 --> 01:04:56,708
Love that. I have

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01:04:56,708 --> 01:04:57,000
a lot of

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:57,250
questions

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01:04:57,250 --> 01:04:57,916
about that.

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01:04:57,916 --> 01:04:58,708
But before I want

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01:04:58,708 --> 01:04:59,291
to kind of go a

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01:04:59,291 --> 01:04:59,750
little bit

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01:04:59,750 --> 01:05:01,500
further back, how

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01:05:01,500 --> 01:05:02,541
did you get into

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01:05:02,541 --> 01:05:03,750
communications

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01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:04,833
and climate?

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01:05:05,083 --> 01:05:05,500
Where did that

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01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:05,916
come from?

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01:05:06,625 --> 01:05:07,166
So the first

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01:05:07,166 --> 01:05:08,041
thing ever did in

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01:05:08,041 --> 01:05:09,500
politics and

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01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:09,916
getting into

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01:05:09,916 --> 01:05:11,333
policy was a

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01:05:11,333 --> 01:05:11,875
communications

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01:05:11,875 --> 01:05:13,083
internship with

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01:05:13,083 --> 01:05:13,958
former Senator

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01:05:13,958 --> 01:05:16,083
Ted Kennedy back

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01:05:16,083 --> 01:05:18,375
coming up on 20

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01:05:18,375 --> 01:05:18,958
years now.

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01:05:19,791 --> 01:05:21,458
And that really I

401
01:05:21,458 --> 01:05:21,833
was living in

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01:05:21,833 --> 01:05:22,666
Boston, going to

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01:05:22,666 --> 01:05:23,083
school there.

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01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:24,083
And that really

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01:05:24,083 --> 01:05:24,666
turned me on to

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01:05:24,666 --> 01:05:25,208
the idea of going

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01:05:25,208 --> 01:05:25,791
to Washington,

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01:05:25,791 --> 01:05:26,458
D.C. and trying

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01:05:26,458 --> 01:05:27,375
to get a job in

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01:05:27,375 --> 01:05:27,708
the Senate.

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01:05:28,208 --> 01:05:28,875
So I moved down

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01:05:28,875 --> 01:05:30,666
to D.C. about 15

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01:05:30,666 --> 01:05:31,541
years or so ago

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01:05:31,541 --> 01:05:33,291
and ended up

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01:05:33,291 --> 01:05:33,916
getting a job

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01:05:33,916 --> 01:05:34,666
with the United

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01:05:34,666 --> 01:05:35,291
States senator,

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01:05:35,458 --> 01:05:36,041
who was then the

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01:05:36,041 --> 01:05:36,791
majority leader

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01:05:36,791 --> 01:05:37,333
of the United

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01:05:37,333 --> 01:05:38,208
States Senate guy

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01:05:38,208 --> 01:05:39,333
named Harry Reid.

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01:05:40,333 --> 01:05:41,000
The only catch

424
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:41,750
was the job was

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01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:42,958
in Las Vegas and

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01:05:42,958 --> 01:05:43,500
not in

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01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:44,708
Washington, D.C.

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01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:45,541
Because the

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01:05:45,541 --> 01:05:45,958
Senate, the

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01:05:45,958 --> 01:05:46,541
senator was

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01:05:46,541 --> 01:05:47,041
running for

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01:05:47,041 --> 01:05:47,416
reelection.

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01:05:47,875 --> 01:05:49,166
So I was 22. I

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01:05:49,166 --> 01:05:50,000
flew to Las Vegas

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01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,708
to move there my

436
01:05:51,708 --> 01:05:52,416
first time ever.

437
01:05:52,666 --> 01:05:52,916
And I just

438
01:05:52,916 --> 01:05:53,958
remember getting

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01:05:53,958 --> 01:05:54,916
that rental car,

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01:05:54,916 --> 01:05:55,333
leaving the

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01:05:55,333 --> 01:05:55,833
airport and

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01:05:55,833 --> 01:05:56,458
driving up the

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01:05:56,458 --> 01:05:57,083
strip with the

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01:05:57,083 --> 01:05:57,916
flashing lights.

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01:05:57,916 --> 01:05:58,375
And I was

446
01:05:58,375 --> 01:05:58,916
thinking, what

447
01:05:58,916 --> 01:05:59,291
did I get

448
01:05:59,291 --> 01:06:00,000
myself into?

449
01:06:00,041 --> 01:06:03,583
And but really,

450
01:06:03,583 --> 01:06:03,875
it was an

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01:06:03,875 --> 01:06:05,416
education and

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01:06:05,416 --> 01:06:06,375
climate and clean

453
01:06:06,375 --> 01:06:07,166
energy was a big

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01:06:07,166 --> 01:06:07,791
part of it.

455
01:06:07,791 --> 01:06:08,291
I remember going

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01:06:08,291 --> 01:06:10,041
to solar arrays

457
01:06:10,041 --> 01:06:10,791
all around the

458
01:06:10,791 --> 01:06:11,541
Las Vegas Valley,

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01:06:11,875 --> 01:06:12,375
going to

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01:06:12,375 --> 01:06:12,958
geothermal

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01:06:12,958 --> 01:06:13,958
companies in

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01:06:13,958 --> 01:06:14,625
northern Nevada

463
01:06:14,625 --> 01:06:16,125
and just really

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01:06:16,125 --> 01:06:16,375
getting

465
01:06:16,375 --> 01:06:17,208
understanding of

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01:06:17,208 --> 01:06:18,208
energy policy and

467
01:06:18,208 --> 01:06:19,208
climate and the

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01:06:19,208 --> 01:06:19,666
efforts being

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01:06:19,666 --> 01:06:20,166
done at the

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01:06:20,166 --> 01:06:20,916
federal level.

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01:06:21,541 --> 01:06:22,083
This was during

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01:06:22,083 --> 01:06:23,125
the first Obama

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01:06:23,125 --> 01:06:23,666
administration.

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01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:25,791
And from there, I

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01:06:25,791 --> 01:06:27,000
came back to D.C.

476
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:27,708
after that

477
01:06:27,708 --> 01:06:28,916
election and

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01:06:28,916 --> 01:06:30,666
worked for the

479
01:06:30,666 --> 01:06:31,416
senator in the

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01:06:31,416 --> 01:06:33,000
U.S. Capitol and

481
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,500
just really saw

482
01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:35,291
further how

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01:06:35,291 --> 01:06:36,208
policy can make a

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01:06:36,208 --> 01:06:36,916
difference to

485
01:06:36,916 --> 01:06:38,291
advance these

486
01:06:38,291 --> 01:06:38,916
industries, these

487
01:06:38,916 --> 01:06:39,291
nascent

488
01:06:39,291 --> 01:06:39,958
industries, these

489
01:06:39,958 --> 01:06:40,166
newer

490
01:06:40,166 --> 01:06:41,125
technologies that

491
01:06:41,125 --> 01:06:41,583
just need a

492
01:06:41,583 --> 01:06:42,041
little bit of

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01:06:42,041 --> 01:06:42,416
federal

494
01:06:42,416 --> 01:06:42,791
government

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01:06:42,791 --> 01:06:43,416
support.

496
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:44,541
Yeah. And then

497
01:06:44,541 --> 01:06:45,208
they kind of take

498
01:06:45,208 --> 01:06:46,416
off and that's

499
01:06:46,416 --> 01:06:46,833
happened

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01:06:46,833 --> 01:06:47,416
throughout

501
01:06:47,416 --> 01:06:48,958
history with

502
01:06:48,958 --> 01:06:49,333
government

503
01:06:49,333 --> 01:06:51,291
support and helps

504
01:06:51,291 --> 01:06:51,875
them become

505
01:06:51,875 --> 01:06:52,833
mature industries

506
01:06:52,833 --> 01:06:53,500
that are now

507
01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:55,041
mainstays of our

508
01:06:55,041 --> 01:06:55,458
economy.

509
01:06:56,541 --> 01:06:57,041
You know, this is

510
01:06:57,041 --> 01:06:57,500
it's really

511
01:06:57,500 --> 01:06:58,083
interesting stuff

512
01:06:58,083 --> 01:06:58,625
because at that

513
01:06:58,625 --> 01:06:59,500
time when you

514
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:00,500
were talking with

515
01:07:00,500 --> 01:07:00,875
all these

516
01:07:00,875 --> 01:07:01,166
different

517
01:07:01,166 --> 01:07:01,875
companies, these

518
01:07:01,875 --> 01:07:03,125
startups, a lot

519
01:07:03,125 --> 01:07:03,375
of these

520
01:07:03,375 --> 01:07:04,000
startups, the

521
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:04,958
technology was

522
01:07:04,958 --> 01:07:05,958
new as well.

523
01:07:06,166 --> 01:07:06,666
Right. We were a

524
01:07:06,666 --> 01:07:07,500
lot of it was

525
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:08,166
testing out.

526
01:07:08,208 --> 01:07:09,083
Hence why there

527
01:07:09,083 --> 01:07:09,500
was some

528
01:07:09,500 --> 01:07:09,958
government

529
01:07:09,958 --> 01:07:11,333
government funds

530
01:07:11,333 --> 01:07:12,125
being put in to

531
01:07:12,125 --> 01:07:12,875
test to make sure

532
01:07:12,875 --> 01:07:13,375
that this could

533
01:07:13,375 --> 01:07:14,083
actually work.

534
01:07:14,083 --> 01:07:14,375
It could be

535
01:07:14,375 --> 01:07:14,750
scalable

536
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:15,666
and so forth.

537
01:07:16,333 --> 01:07:17,083
That is is an

538
01:07:17,083 --> 01:07:18,208
exciting time.

539
01:07:18,583 --> 01:07:19,125
What were your

540
01:07:19,125 --> 01:07:19,666
thoughts?

541
01:07:20,333 --> 01:07:20,791
Like, I guess

542
01:07:20,791 --> 01:07:21,750
maybe what

543
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:22,666
captured you the

544
01:07:22,666 --> 01:07:23,458
most in terms of

545
01:07:23,458 --> 01:07:23,750
like what

546
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:24,208
surprised

547
01:07:24,208 --> 01:07:24,625
you the most?

548
01:07:24,625 --> 01:07:25,000
Like, oh, I

549
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:25,416
didn't know we

550
01:07:25,416 --> 01:07:26,000
could do this.

551
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:26,416
I didn't even

552
01:07:26,416 --> 01:07:26,958
like think

553
01:07:26,958 --> 01:07:27,541
about this.

554
01:07:27,541 --> 01:07:27,916
Like, what was

555
01:07:27,916 --> 01:07:28,583
the most

556
01:07:28,583 --> 01:07:29,958
interesting tech

557
01:07:29,958 --> 01:07:30,916
that you saw at

558
01:07:30,916 --> 01:07:31,416
that time?

559
01:07:33,083 --> 01:07:34,250
Well, I didn't

560
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:35,333
see too many back

561
01:07:35,333 --> 01:07:36,041
15 years ago.

562
01:07:36,041 --> 01:07:36,750
I didn't see too

563
01:07:36,750 --> 01:07:38,208
many different

564
01:07:38,208 --> 01:07:39,166
technologies per

565
01:07:39,166 --> 01:07:40,416
se, but I think,

566
01:07:40,416 --> 01:07:41,041
you know, someone

567
01:07:41,041 --> 01:07:41,625
who grew up in

568
01:07:41,625 --> 01:07:42,250
the Northeast, I

569
01:07:42,250 --> 01:07:42,583
knew nothing

570
01:07:42,583 --> 01:07:43,458
about geothermal.

571
01:07:43,958 --> 01:07:44,250
Right.

572
01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:44,583
Because we just

573
01:07:44,583 --> 01:07:45,416
really don't

574
01:07:45,416 --> 01:07:46,416
don't have it in

575
01:07:46,416 --> 01:07:46,833
a in a

576
01:07:46,833 --> 01:07:47,583
serious way.

577
01:07:48,125 --> 01:07:48,333
Yeah.

578
01:07:48,708 --> 01:07:49,708
Traditional geothermal is

579
01:07:49,708 --> 01:07:51,166
limited to the

580
01:07:51,166 --> 01:07:52,000
Western United

581
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,958
States and, you

582
01:07:53,958 --> 01:07:54,916
know, Iceland and

583
01:07:54,916 --> 01:07:55,416
other parts of

584
01:07:55,416 --> 01:07:55,958
the world, but

585
01:07:55,958 --> 01:07:56,458
not certainly

586
01:07:56,458 --> 01:07:57,125
where I grew up.

587
01:07:57,125 --> 01:07:58,208
And so learning

588
01:07:58,208 --> 01:07:58,708
about that

589
01:07:58,708 --> 01:07:59,250
technology,

590
01:07:59,250 --> 01:07:59,958
frankly, was eye opening.

591
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:01,583
And now there's

592
01:08:01,583 --> 01:08:02,166
all sorts of

593
01:08:02,166 --> 01:08:02,500
advanced

594
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:03,166
geothermal

595
01:08:03,166 --> 01:08:04,458
technology and

596
01:08:04,458 --> 01:08:05,583
really cool stuff

597
01:08:05,583 --> 01:08:06,166
where you're not

598
01:08:06,166 --> 01:08:06,541
limited.

599
01:08:06,833 --> 01:08:07,583
It can, you know,

600
01:08:07,583 --> 01:08:08,208
it's on the path

601
01:08:08,208 --> 01:08:09,250
to being able to

602
01:08:09,250 --> 01:08:10,125
you can have

603
01:08:10,125 --> 01:08:10,500
geothermal

604
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:11,083
anywhere because

605
01:08:11,083 --> 01:08:12,541
if you go deep

606
01:08:12,541 --> 01:08:13,541
enough, you will

607
01:08:13,541 --> 01:08:14,333
get heat.

608
01:08:15,125 --> 01:08:15,958
It's just it's

609
01:08:15,958 --> 01:08:16,583
just it can be

610
01:08:16,583 --> 01:08:17,208
really expensive

611
01:08:17,208 --> 01:08:18,500
to to go the

612
01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:19,291
deeper you go.

613
01:08:19,708 --> 01:08:20,375
And so bring down

614
01:08:20,375 --> 01:08:21,750
the cost curve to

615
01:08:21,750 --> 01:08:22,583
make geothermal a

616
01:08:22,583 --> 01:08:23,166
part of the clean

617
01:08:23,166 --> 01:08:24,000
energy transition

618
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,333
and the energy

619
01:08:25,333 --> 01:08:26,375
mix that powers

620
01:08:26,375 --> 01:08:27,416
all the energy

621
01:08:27,416 --> 01:08:27,708
needs

622
01:08:27,708 --> 01:08:28,500
that we have.

623
01:08:29,041 --> 01:08:30,041
So so that was

624
01:08:30,041 --> 01:08:30,458
interesting

625
01:08:30,458 --> 01:08:30,916
to me.

626
01:08:30,916 --> 01:08:31,541
I also think, you

627
01:08:31,541 --> 01:08:32,166
know, 15 years

628
01:08:32,166 --> 01:08:33,500
ago, Tesla was a

629
01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:33,875
struggling

630
01:08:33,875 --> 01:08:34,541
company.

631
01:08:34,875 --> 01:08:35,083
Yeah.

632
01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:36,750
And they they got

633
01:08:36,750 --> 01:08:37,541
funding

634
01:08:37,541 --> 01:08:38,375
from the U.S.

635
01:08:38,375 --> 01:08:39,083
government, from

636
01:08:39,083 --> 01:08:39,416
the

637
01:08:39,416 --> 01:08:40,083
Department of Energy.

638
01:08:40,833 --> 01:08:41,375
And that was a

639
01:08:41,375 --> 01:08:41,958
really critical

640
01:08:41,958 --> 01:08:44,041
source of help

641
01:08:44,041 --> 01:08:44,833
for that company

642
01:08:44,833 --> 01:08:46,500
to that.

643
01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:46,916
Who knows where

644
01:08:46,916 --> 01:08:47,541
they'd be if it

645
01:08:47,541 --> 01:08:48,166
wasn't for that

646
01:08:48,166 --> 01:08:48,541
support.

647
01:08:48,916 --> 01:08:49,500
So, you know,

648
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:50,166
that's relevant

649
01:08:50,166 --> 01:08:50,708
to some of the

650
01:08:50,708 --> 01:08:51,583
discussions we'll

651
01:08:51,583 --> 01:08:52,083
get into in a

652
01:08:52,083 --> 01:08:52,625
moment about

653
01:08:52,625 --> 01:08:53,500
federal policy

654
01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:54,375
and the role of

655
01:08:54,375 --> 01:08:54,583
federal

656
01:08:54,583 --> 01:08:55,500
government in

657
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:56,083
supporting

658
01:08:56,083 --> 01:08:57,083
different sectors

659
01:08:57,083 --> 01:08:57,583
of the energy

660
01:08:57,583 --> 01:08:58,083
industry.

661
01:08:58,666 --> 01:08:59,291
Yeah, absolutely.

662
01:09:00,041 --> 01:09:00,541
So what, like,

663
01:09:00,541 --> 01:09:01,000
you know, during

664
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,041
this time when

665
01:09:02,041 --> 01:09:02,458
you're with the

666
01:09:02,458 --> 01:09:03,000
senator and you

667
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:03,458
probably moved

668
01:09:03,458 --> 01:09:04,000
into different

669
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,000
positions within

670
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,666
within politics.

671
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:07,416
But then, you

672
01:09:07,416 --> 01:09:07,750
know, obviously,

673
01:09:07,958 --> 01:09:08,458
communication is

674
01:09:08,458 --> 01:09:09,083
a big part of

675
01:09:09,083 --> 01:09:10,500
your role within

676
01:09:10,500 --> 01:09:12,083
that that time.

677
01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:13,375
At what point did

678
01:09:13,375 --> 01:09:14,416
you say, OK,

679
01:09:14,916 --> 01:09:15,291
like, did you get

680
01:09:15,291 --> 01:09:16,208
the idea, you

681
01:09:16,208 --> 01:09:17,041
know, having a

682
01:09:17,041 --> 01:09:17,958
consulting firm

683
01:09:17,958 --> 01:09:18,375
or a

684
01:09:18,375 --> 01:09:19,375
communications

685
01:09:19,375 --> 01:09:21,541
firm where you,

686
01:09:21,541 --> 01:09:22,291
you know,

687
01:09:22,291 --> 01:09:23,166
partnered with

688
01:09:23,166 --> 01:09:24,000
these companies

689
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:24,791
or work for these

690
01:09:24,791 --> 01:09:25,750
companies as well

691
01:09:25,750 --> 01:09:26,458
as advocacy

692
01:09:26,458 --> 01:09:27,041
groups to

693
01:09:27,041 --> 01:09:27,625
say, hey,

694
01:09:27,708 --> 01:09:28,416
I want to push

695
01:09:28,416 --> 01:09:29,833
this, you know,

696
01:09:29,833 --> 01:09:30,208
they need a

697
01:09:30,208 --> 01:09:30,500
little bit

698
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:31,083
more help.

699
01:09:31,083 --> 01:09:31,541
They need to. Was

700
01:09:31,541 --> 01:09:32,250
it because they

701
01:09:32,250 --> 01:09:32,875
needed more help?

702
01:09:32,875 --> 01:09:33,250
Was it they

703
01:09:33,250 --> 01:09:34,000
needed to clarify

704
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:34,375
their message?

705
01:09:34,958 --> 01:09:35,875
What pushed you

706
01:09:35,875 --> 01:09:36,791
towards starting

707
01:09:36,791 --> 01:09:38,208
this company a

708
01:09:38,208 --> 01:09:38,833
few years ago?

709
01:09:39,333 --> 01:09:39,833
Yeah, so

710
01:09:39,833 --> 01:09:40,875
you're right.

711
01:09:40,875 --> 01:09:41,541
Like I did other

712
01:09:41,541 --> 01:09:42,583
campaigns.

713
01:09:42,875 --> 01:09:43,291
I worked on

714
01:09:43,291 --> 01:09:43,708
presidential

715
01:09:43,708 --> 01:09:44,583
campaigns and

716
01:09:44,583 --> 01:09:45,291
Senate and

717
01:09:45,291 --> 01:09:45,750
gubernatorial.

718
01:09:46,583 --> 01:09:48,375
And I also have

719
01:09:48,375 --> 01:09:49,000
done some work

720
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:49,500
with state

721
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:49,958
attorneys

722
01:09:49,958 --> 01:09:51,000
general, which

723
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,166
they're the top

724
01:09:52,166 --> 01:09:53,250
law enforcement

725
01:09:53,250 --> 01:09:54,000
officer in

726
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:54,583
each state.

727
01:09:54,791 --> 01:09:55,583
And they play,

728
01:09:56,166 --> 01:09:56,458
you know,

729
01:09:56,458 --> 01:09:56,833
especially during

730
01:09:56,833 --> 01:09:57,333
the first Trump

731
01:09:57,333 --> 01:09:57,833
administration.

732
01:09:58,291 --> 01:09:58,750
This is what I

733
01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:59,416
was working with

734
01:09:59,416 --> 01:10:00,166
this group that

735
01:10:00,166 --> 01:10:01,083
was coordinating

736
01:10:01,083 --> 01:10:01,500
a lot of the

737
01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:02,833
efforts that was

738
01:10:02,833 --> 01:10:03,916
really they were

739
01:10:03,916 --> 01:10:04,541
filing lawsuits

740
01:10:04,541 --> 01:10:05,291
left and right.

741
01:10:05,708 --> 01:10:06,000
Not because

742
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:06,250
they're

743
01:10:06,250 --> 01:10:06,833
frivolous, but

744
01:10:06,833 --> 01:10:07,166
there was so much

745
01:10:07,166 --> 01:10:08,166
to go after from

746
01:10:08,166 --> 01:10:08,500
the federal

747
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:08,833
government.

748
01:10:09,125 --> 01:10:09,500
So they were

749
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:10,291
they're trying to

750
01:10:10,291 --> 01:10:11,208
stop rollbacks of

751
01:10:11,208 --> 01:10:11,791
really important

752
01:10:11,791 --> 01:10:12,708
regulations and

753
01:10:12,708 --> 01:10:14,000
policies on the

754
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:14,791
environment, on

755
01:10:14,791 --> 01:10:15,958
energy, on

756
01:10:15,958 --> 01:10:16,833
climate.

757
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:18,875
And so that was a

758
01:10:18,875 --> 01:10:19,375
great insight

759
01:10:19,375 --> 01:10:21,000
into kind of the,

760
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:21,958
you know, they

761
01:10:21,958 --> 01:10:22,333
were the last

762
01:10:22,333 --> 01:10:23,000
line of defense

763
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,208
at that point.

764
01:10:24,625 --> 01:10:26,166
And so, you know,

765
01:10:26,166 --> 01:10:27,333
when I started my

766
01:10:27,333 --> 01:10:28,208
firm, I, you

767
01:10:28,208 --> 01:10:28,416
know,

768
01:10:29,208 --> 01:10:29,583
communications

769
01:10:29,583 --> 01:10:31,000
and messaging can

770
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:31,541
really make the

771
01:10:31,541 --> 01:10:31,833
difference

772
01:10:31,833 --> 01:10:32,083
between

773
01:10:32,083 --> 01:10:33,041
successful policy

774
01:10:33,041 --> 01:10:34,000
or successful

775
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,708
grants funding

776
01:10:35,708 --> 01:10:36,208
from the

777
01:10:36,208 --> 01:10:36,541
government or

778
01:10:36,541 --> 01:10:37,500
another entity.

779
01:10:38,250 --> 01:10:39,125
How you frame and

780
01:10:39,125 --> 01:10:39,833
talk about things

781
01:10:39,833 --> 01:10:40,750
can really make

782
01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:41,500
or break success

783
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:42,250
that you have as

784
01:10:42,250 --> 01:10:42,666
a business.

785
01:10:43,250 --> 01:10:44,041
And, you know, we

786
01:10:44,041 --> 01:10:44,375
need these

787
01:10:44,375 --> 01:10:44,958
businesses to be

788
01:10:44,958 --> 01:10:45,791
successful for

789
01:10:45,791 --> 01:10:46,375
the clean energy

790
01:10:46,375 --> 01:10:46,791
transition.

791
01:10:47,291 --> 01:10:48,375
So the

792
01:10:48,375 --> 01:10:48,791
communications

793
01:10:48,791 --> 01:10:49,416
piece is really

794
01:10:49,416 --> 01:10:49,833
important.

795
01:10:50,458 --> 01:10:50,791
You know, when

796
01:10:50,791 --> 01:10:51,208
people think

797
01:10:51,208 --> 01:10:51,458
about

798
01:10:51,458 --> 01:10:52,500
lobbying as well.

799
01:10:53,208 --> 01:10:53,791
It's not just

800
01:10:53,791 --> 01:10:54,291
like the old

801
01:10:54,291 --> 01:10:54,916
fashioned shoe

802
01:10:54,916 --> 01:10:55,666
leather lobbying

803
01:10:55,666 --> 01:10:57,250
that you go meet

804
01:10:57,250 --> 01:10:57,958
with the senator

805
01:10:57,958 --> 01:10:58,708
and then they're

806
01:10:58,708 --> 01:10:59,208
going to

807
01:10:59,208 --> 01:11:00,125
hopefully do what

808
01:11:00,125 --> 01:11:00,333
you want

809
01:11:00,333 --> 01:11:01,166
them to do.

810
01:11:01,500 --> 01:11:02,000
Communications

811
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,166
has become a

812
01:11:03,166 --> 01:11:04,125
greater part of

813
01:11:04,125 --> 01:11:04,833
that overall

814
01:11:04,833 --> 01:11:05,291
strategy.

815
01:11:05,583 --> 01:11:06,166
You have to be

816
01:11:06,166 --> 01:11:08,125
attuned to what

817
01:11:08,125 --> 01:11:08,791
are the outlets,

818
01:11:08,791 --> 01:11:09,333
the news outlets

819
01:11:09,333 --> 01:11:09,916
they're consuming

820
01:11:09,916 --> 01:11:10,791
back in the home

821
01:11:10,791 --> 01:11:11,500
state or their

822
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:12,041
home district.

823
01:11:12,291 --> 01:11:13,375
How do you find

824
01:11:13,375 --> 01:11:13,666
the right

825
01:11:13,666 --> 01:11:14,583
messengers and

826
01:11:14,583 --> 01:11:15,500
get them to give,

827
01:11:15,791 --> 01:11:16,666
you know, share

828
01:11:16,666 --> 01:11:17,250
the right message

829
01:11:17,250 --> 01:11:18,125
at the right time

830
01:11:18,125 --> 01:11:18,791
so they can have

831
01:11:18,791 --> 01:11:19,208
the maximum

832
01:11:19,208 --> 01:11:19,833
influence.

833
01:11:20,541 --> 01:11:21,500
And that takes a

834
01:11:21,500 --> 01:11:22,125
lot of strategy

835
01:11:22,125 --> 01:11:22,333
and

836
01:11:22,333 --> 01:11:22,958
thoughtfulness.

837
01:11:23,583 --> 01:11:24,041
And so that's how

838
01:11:24,041 --> 01:11:24,708
we work with a

839
01:11:24,708 --> 01:11:25,416
lot of our

840
01:11:25,416 --> 01:11:26,500
clients to help

841
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:27,958
them, you know,

842
01:11:27,958 --> 01:11:28,625
get better policy

843
01:11:28,625 --> 01:11:29,375
so that they can

844
01:11:29,375 --> 01:11:30,000
grow and be

845
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:30,958
successful and

846
01:11:30,958 --> 01:11:31,916
contribute to the

847
01:11:31,916 --> 01:11:32,250
energy

848
01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:32,750
transition.

849
01:11:35,375 --> 01:11:36,416
For from a policy

850
01:11:36,416 --> 01:11:37,833
perspective and

851
01:11:37,833 --> 01:11:38,625
clean energy.

852
01:11:39,833 --> 01:11:40,458
What are the

853
01:11:40,458 --> 01:11:40,833
biggest

854
01:11:40,833 --> 01:11:42,541
challenges over

855
01:11:42,541 --> 01:11:43,541
the last like 10

856
01:11:43,541 --> 01:11:44,583
years for that

857
01:11:44,583 --> 01:11:46,375
for clean energy

858
01:11:46,375 --> 01:11:47,375
to move forward

859
01:11:47,375 --> 01:11:49,125
to scale up in

860
01:11:49,125 --> 01:11:49,583
the face of

861
01:11:49,583 --> 01:11:50,416
policy like what

862
01:11:50,416 --> 01:11:51,416
like was there a

863
01:11:51,416 --> 01:11:51,625
particular policy

864
01:11:51,625 --> 01:11:52,041
that really

865
01:11:52,041 --> 01:11:52,750
allowed them to

866
01:11:52,750 --> 01:11:53,583
happen or was a

867
01:11:53,583 --> 01:11:54,333
particular policy

868
01:11:54,333 --> 01:11:55,041
that has really

869
01:11:55,041 --> 01:11:55,750
challenged them.

870
01:11:56,125 --> 01:11:56,958
Let's say before

871
01:11:56,958 --> 01:11:57,250
this

872
01:11:57,250 --> 01:11:57,750
administration

873
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:58,708
that came in.

874
01:11:59,333 --> 01:11:59,958
Well, it's it's

875
01:11:59,958 --> 01:12:00,791
pretty clear in

876
01:12:00,791 --> 01:12:02,208
2022 the most

877
01:12:02,208 --> 01:12:03,250
significant law

878
01:12:03,250 --> 01:12:04,208
ever passed in

879
01:12:04,208 --> 01:12:04,750
the United States

880
01:12:04,750 --> 01:12:05,500
on climate and

881
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:06,333
clean energy was

882
01:12:06,333 --> 01:12:07,250
called the

883
01:12:07,250 --> 01:12:07,541
inflation

884
01:12:07,541 --> 01:12:08,375
reduction act.

885
01:12:08,958 --> 01:12:10,291
And that is

886
01:12:10,291 --> 01:12:11,458
really that was

887
01:12:11,458 --> 01:12:12,125
really a law that

888
01:12:12,125 --> 01:12:13,000
set industrial

889
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:13,625
policy for the

890
01:12:13,625 --> 01:12:14,250
United States in

891
01:12:14,250 --> 01:12:14,666
a way that it

892
01:12:14,666 --> 01:12:15,500
never had before.

893
01:12:16,166 --> 01:12:17,125
And it provided a

894
01:12:17,125 --> 01:12:17,833
number of tax

895
01:12:17,833 --> 01:12:18,333
credits.

896
01:12:18,541 --> 01:12:19,041
It provided

897
01:12:19,041 --> 01:12:20,541
something called

898
01:12:20,541 --> 01:12:21,416
transferability

899
01:12:21,416 --> 01:12:22,250
that helps with

900
01:12:22,250 --> 01:12:23,708
smaller companies

901
01:12:23,708 --> 01:12:24,375
that are growing

902
01:12:24,375 --> 01:12:24,750
and bigger.

903
01:12:24,916 --> 01:12:25,708
You know, it's a

904
01:12:25,708 --> 01:12:25,916
great,

905
01:12:26,083 --> 01:12:27,041
helpful system.

906
01:12:28,375 --> 01:12:29,458
It's it brought

907
01:12:29,458 --> 01:12:30,041
manufacturing

908
01:12:30,041 --> 01:12:30,583
back to the

909
01:12:30,583 --> 01:12:31,041
United States.

910
01:12:31,416 --> 01:12:33,208
It's it provided

911
01:12:33,208 --> 01:12:33,875
more secure

912
01:12:33,875 --> 01:12:34,791
supply chains

913
01:12:34,791 --> 01:12:35,166
back in the

914
01:12:35,166 --> 01:12:35,791
United States,

915
01:12:35,791 --> 01:12:36,500
not being reliant

916
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:37,583
on on other

917
01:12:37,583 --> 01:12:37,791
countries,

918
01:12:37,791 --> 01:12:39,750
especially, you

919
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:41,750
know, are more

920
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:42,375
adversarial

921
01:12:42,375 --> 01:12:42,791
countries.

922
01:12:43,041 --> 01:12:43,583
And I don't

923
01:12:43,583 --> 01:12:44,458
include Canada in

924
01:12:44,458 --> 01:12:44,791
that, to

925
01:12:44,791 --> 01:12:45,250
be clear.

926
01:12:47,375 --> 01:12:47,916
Thank you.

927
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,125
But this was this

928
01:12:52,125 --> 01:12:52,875
was the policy

929
01:12:52,875 --> 01:12:54,583
set forth back

930
01:12:54,583 --> 01:12:55,166
in, you know, it

931
01:12:55,166 --> 01:12:55,666
was passed in

932
01:12:55,666 --> 01:12:56,500
August of 2022.

933
01:12:56,916 --> 01:12:57,333
So we're coming

934
01:12:57,333 --> 01:12:57,708
up on

935
01:12:57,708 --> 01:12:58,291
three years.

936
01:12:59,041 --> 01:12:59,541
And, you know,

937
01:12:59,541 --> 01:13:00,250
you speak to the

938
01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:01,625
challenge, making

939
01:13:01,625 --> 01:13:02,375
that resonate

940
01:13:02,375 --> 01:13:02,916
with voters

941
01:13:02,916 --> 01:13:03,416
across the

942
01:13:03,416 --> 01:13:04,916
country before a

943
01:13:04,916 --> 01:13:05,208
lot of the

944
01:13:05,208 --> 01:13:05,541
benefits

945
01:13:05,541 --> 01:13:06,541
became clear.

946
01:13:06,958 --> 01:13:07,250
You know, there

947
01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:07,958
are jobs that are

948
01:13:07,958 --> 01:13:08,500
being created

949
01:13:08,500 --> 01:13:09,041
right now.

950
01:13:09,041 --> 01:13:09,291
There are

951
01:13:09,291 --> 01:13:09,708
factories

952
01:13:09,708 --> 01:13:10,375
being built.

953
01:13:10,625 --> 01:13:11,750
There are there's

954
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:12,458
tax revenue being

955
01:13:12,458 --> 01:13:13,208
generated in

956
01:13:13,208 --> 01:13:14,250
rural parts of

957
01:13:14,250 --> 01:13:15,416
this country that

958
01:13:15,416 --> 01:13:16,416
haven't had major

959
01:13:16,416 --> 01:13:17,000
industry in

960
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:17,375
decades.

961
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,041
And, you know,

962
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:20,958
because of the

963
01:13:20,958 --> 01:13:21,500
way the election

964
01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:23,375
went in in

965
01:13:23,375 --> 01:13:25,000
November, all of

966
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:25,625
that is at risk

967
01:13:25,625 --> 01:13:26,083
right now.

968
01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:27,000
Which is

969
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:27,416
interesting

970
01:13:27,416 --> 01:13:28,125
because I think,

971
01:13:28,708 --> 01:13:29,791
you know, the

972
01:13:29,791 --> 01:13:30,500
inflation act

973
01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:31,458
brought in all of

974
01:13:31,458 --> 01:13:32,583
that and allowed

975
01:13:32,583 --> 01:13:33,416
for these supply

976
01:13:33,416 --> 01:13:34,083
chains to come to

977
01:13:34,083 --> 01:13:34,916
the US allowed

978
01:13:34,916 --> 01:13:35,416
for manufacturing

979
01:13:35,416 --> 01:13:36,666
to come

980
01:13:36,666 --> 01:13:37,458
to the US.

981
01:13:37,458 --> 01:13:38,375
Yet this

982
01:13:38,375 --> 01:13:39,083
administration is

983
01:13:39,083 --> 01:13:39,625
talking about how

984
01:13:39,625 --> 01:13:40,291
tariffs are going

985
01:13:40,291 --> 01:13:41,000
to bring all of

986
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,291
that as a scare

987
01:13:42,291 --> 01:13:42,875
tactic to

988
01:13:42,875 --> 01:13:44,000
everybody to

989
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:44,666
doing that, which

990
01:13:44,666 --> 01:13:45,375
is kind of funny

991
01:13:45,375 --> 01:13:45,958
because that all

992
01:13:45,958 --> 01:13:46,375
went on.

993
01:13:46,375 --> 01:13:46,791
That messaging

994
01:13:46,791 --> 01:13:47,541
didn't get out.

995
01:13:47,916 --> 01:13:49,166
I wish I wish

996
01:13:49,166 --> 01:13:49,916
more more

997
01:13:49,916 --> 01:13:51,291
organizations and

998
01:13:51,291 --> 01:13:51,916
political

999
01:13:51,916 --> 01:13:52,500
parties.

1000
01:13:52,541 --> 01:13:54,666
Contact you guys

1001
01:13:54,666 --> 01:13:55,666
to kind of

1002
01:13:55,666 --> 01:13:56,541
highlight that

1003
01:13:56,541 --> 01:13:57,708
because, you

1004
01:13:57,708 --> 01:13:58,333
know, it feels as

1005
01:13:58,333 --> 01:13:59,125
though we would

1006
01:13:59,125 --> 01:13:59,541
have been in a

1007
01:13:59,541 --> 01:14:00,000
different

1008
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:00,875
position because

1009
01:14:00,875 --> 01:14:01,375
obviously

1010
01:14:01,375 --> 01:14:02,625
messaging and

1011
01:14:02,625 --> 01:14:03,083
communications,

1012
01:14:03,083 --> 01:14:03,958
as you know, is

1013
01:14:03,958 --> 01:14:04,666
very important.

1014
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:05,833
And, you know,

1015
01:14:05,833 --> 01:14:06,291
there's a big

1016
01:14:06,291 --> 01:14:07,875
difference in the

1017
01:14:07,875 --> 01:14:09,083
messaging, you

1018
01:14:09,083 --> 01:14:09,708
know, for this

1019
01:14:09,708 --> 01:14:10,333
this last

1020
01:14:10,333 --> 01:14:10,958
election, which

1021
01:14:10,958 --> 01:14:11,708
won't get into

1022
01:14:11,708 --> 01:14:12,250
too much because

1023
01:14:12,250 --> 01:14:12,666
I don't want to.

1024
01:14:12,708 --> 01:14:13,625
I want to focus

1025
01:14:13,625 --> 01:14:13,916
on

1026
01:14:13,916 --> 01:14:14,916
climate policy.

1027
01:14:14,916 --> 01:14:15,416
But, you know,

1028
01:14:15,416 --> 01:14:15,708
from your

1029
01:14:15,708 --> 01:14:16,833
perspective as as

1030
01:14:16,833 --> 01:14:17,250
as a

1031
01:14:17,250 --> 01:14:17,666
communications

1032
01:14:17,666 --> 01:14:18,333
person,

1033
01:14:18,333 --> 01:14:18,833
especially when

1034
01:14:18,833 --> 01:14:20,000
it comes to clean

1035
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:20,583
energy,

1036
01:14:20,583 --> 01:14:21,000
especially when

1037
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:21,625
it comes to

1038
01:14:21,625 --> 01:14:22,375
making sure that

1039
01:14:22,375 --> 01:14:23,000
the right policy

1040
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:23,833
get in place and

1041
01:14:23,833 --> 01:14:24,416
and working

1042
01:14:24,416 --> 01:14:24,916
towards those

1043
01:14:24,916 --> 01:14:25,833
policies, it

1044
01:14:25,833 --> 01:14:27,041
becomes a really

1045
01:14:27,041 --> 01:14:27,833
it must become a

1046
01:14:27,833 --> 01:14:28,500
real source spot

1047
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,541
for you to see

1048
01:14:30,541 --> 01:14:31,000
the wrong

1049
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:31,833
information get

1050
01:14:31,833 --> 01:14:32,958
out and people

1051
01:14:32,958 --> 01:14:33,958
believing it and

1052
01:14:33,958 --> 01:14:34,791
not picking it up

1053
01:14:34,791 --> 01:14:35,833
when it's right

1054
01:14:35,833 --> 01:14:36,416
right there in

1055
01:14:36,416 --> 01:14:37,000
front of them.

1056
01:14:37,250 --> 01:14:37,583
Like what

1057
01:14:37,583 --> 01:14:38,375
what is that?

1058
01:14:38,375 --> 01:14:38,541
Like,

1059
01:14:38,541 --> 01:14:39,208
where did that?

1060
01:14:40,583 --> 01:14:41,125
How come that

1061
01:14:41,125 --> 01:14:41,375
always

1062
01:14:41,375 --> 01:14:42,000
gets buried?

1063
01:14:43,708 --> 01:14:44,708
Climate and

1064
01:14:44,708 --> 01:14:45,375
clean energy.

1065
01:14:46,166 --> 01:14:46,375
Yeah.

1066
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:47,166
Yeah.

1067
01:14:47,458 --> 01:14:48,125
Well, it's just

1068
01:14:48,125 --> 01:14:49,583
it's very hard to

1069
01:14:49,583 --> 01:14:51,833
to break through,

1070
01:14:52,083 --> 01:14:53,541
especially in a

1071
01:14:53,541 --> 01:14:54,541
campaign against

1072
01:14:54,541 --> 01:14:55,875
Donald Trump,

1073
01:14:56,166 --> 01:14:58,083
who, you know,

1074
01:14:58,291 --> 01:14:58,916
love him or hate

1075
01:14:58,916 --> 01:14:59,791
him. He knows how

1076
01:14:59,791 --> 01:15:00,375
to get attention.

1077
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:01,166
Yeah.

1078
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:02,333
And attention is

1079
01:15:02,333 --> 01:15:03,250
current currency

1080
01:15:03,250 --> 01:15:03,958
in this day and

1081
01:15:03,958 --> 01:15:04,500
age or such a

1082
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:05,541
fragmented media

1083
01:15:05,541 --> 01:15:06,541
environment and

1084
01:15:06,541 --> 01:15:07,000
other

1085
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,041
distractions that

1086
01:15:08,041 --> 01:15:09,416
are, you know,

1087
01:15:09,416 --> 01:15:09,708
everywhere

1088
01:15:09,708 --> 01:15:10,291
for people.

1089
01:15:10,333 --> 01:15:12,291
And so, you know,

1090
01:15:12,291 --> 01:15:12,666
talking about

1091
01:15:12,666 --> 01:15:13,458
jobs that are

1092
01:15:13,458 --> 01:15:14,541
coming and a

1093
01:15:14,541 --> 01:15:15,333
clean energy

1094
01:15:15,333 --> 01:15:16,458
economy that is

1095
01:15:16,458 --> 01:15:17,958
happening, but

1096
01:15:17,958 --> 01:15:20,666
still coming is

1097
01:15:20,666 --> 01:15:22,208
it's harder to

1098
01:15:22,208 --> 01:15:23,000
break through and get

1099
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:23,875
attention on that.

1100
01:15:24,416 --> 01:15:25,625
And and so, you

1101
01:15:25,625 --> 01:15:26,041
know, driving

1102
01:15:26,041 --> 01:15:26,583
home the real

1103
01:15:26,583 --> 01:15:28,083
tangible benefits

1104
01:15:28,083 --> 01:15:30,041
of of that

1105
01:15:30,041 --> 01:15:30,750
legislation that

1106
01:15:30,750 --> 01:15:31,458
I was mentioning,

1107
01:15:31,791 --> 01:15:33,166
you know, perhaps

1108
01:15:33,166 --> 01:15:33,500
could have been

1109
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:33,791
done a

1110
01:15:33,791 --> 01:15:34,500
little bit better.

1111
01:15:35,375 --> 01:15:38,041
And, you know,

1112
01:15:38,291 --> 01:15:38,750
making sure it

1113
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:39,375
resonates with

1114
01:15:39,375 --> 01:15:40,000
people in a way

1115
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:40,291
that they

1116
01:15:40,291 --> 01:15:40,750
care about.

1117
01:15:41,125 --> 01:15:41,625
And, you know,

1118
01:15:41,625 --> 01:15:42,208
too often, I

1119
01:15:42,208 --> 01:15:42,875
think bigger

1120
01:15:42,875 --> 01:15:44,541
picture here, you

1121
01:15:44,541 --> 01:15:44,958
know, climate

1122
01:15:44,958 --> 01:15:45,666
change doesn't

1123
01:15:45,666 --> 01:15:46,333
feel real.

1124
01:15:47,041 --> 01:15:47,250
Right.

1125
01:15:47,458 --> 01:15:47,875
People, it feels

1126
01:15:47,875 --> 01:15:48,750
like it's often

1127
01:15:48,750 --> 01:15:49,291
to the even

1128
01:15:49,291 --> 01:15:50,208
though there's

1129
01:15:50,208 --> 01:15:50,833
still people who

1130
01:15:50,833 --> 01:15:51,291
can't get

1131
01:15:51,291 --> 01:15:52,083
insurance anymore

1132
01:15:52,083 --> 01:15:53,208
because there's

1133
01:15:53,208 --> 01:15:54,041
too much risk or

1134
01:15:54,041 --> 01:15:54,541
their premiums

1135
01:15:54,541 --> 01:15:55,041
are so high.

1136
01:15:55,708 --> 01:15:57,000
And we know about

1137
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:57,791
the storms being

1138
01:15:57,791 --> 01:15:58,583
more intense and

1139
01:15:58,583 --> 01:15:59,125
more frequent.

1140
01:15:59,625 --> 01:16:01,083
But, you know,

1141
01:16:01,083 --> 01:16:02,125
that that still

1142
01:16:02,125 --> 01:16:03,000
doesn't move the

1143
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:03,541
needle in terms

1144
01:16:03,541 --> 01:16:03,958
of public opinion

1145
01:16:03,958 --> 01:16:05,250
to the extent

1146
01:16:05,250 --> 01:16:05,625
that we

1147
01:16:05,625 --> 01:16:06,416
need it to.

1148
01:16:07,041 --> 01:16:07,958
And so if you're

1149
01:16:07,958 --> 01:16:09,041
talking about the

1150
01:16:09,041 --> 01:16:10,250
treacherous

1151
01:16:10,250 --> 01:16:11,125
consequences of

1152
01:16:11,125 --> 01:16:11,791
half degree

1153
01:16:11,791 --> 01:16:13,166
increase in

1154
01:16:13,166 --> 01:16:13,583
global

1155
01:16:13,583 --> 01:16:14,458
temperature, that

1156
01:16:14,458 --> 01:16:15,375
really doesn't

1157
01:16:15,375 --> 01:16:15,916
resonate.

1158
01:16:15,916 --> 01:16:16,500
It feels so

1159
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:17,083
esoteric

1160
01:16:17,083 --> 01:16:17,750
to people.

1161
01:16:18,416 --> 01:16:19,250
And so trying to

1162
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:19,875
put it in terms

1163
01:16:19,875 --> 01:16:20,833
of this is not

1164
01:16:20,833 --> 01:16:21,208
really

1165
01:16:21,208 --> 01:16:22,208
climate change.

1166
01:16:22,208 --> 01:16:22,541
This is

1167
01:16:22,541 --> 01:16:22,958
economics.

1168
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:24,958
It's an industry

1169
01:16:24,958 --> 01:16:26,083
that, you know,

1170
01:16:26,083 --> 01:16:27,000
it's a good job.

1171
01:16:27,875 --> 01:16:28,291
Doesn't matter

1172
01:16:28,291 --> 01:16:28,833
what party you

1173
01:16:28,833 --> 01:16:30,208
belong to or your

1174
01:16:30,208 --> 01:16:30,625
political

1175
01:16:30,625 --> 01:16:31,041
beliefs.

1176
01:16:31,416 --> 01:16:33,333
And so, you know,

1177
01:16:33,583 --> 01:16:34,166
unfortunately, if

1178
01:16:34,166 --> 01:16:35,000
we had a few more

1179
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:35,708
years for these

1180
01:16:35,708 --> 01:16:36,500
things to mature

1181
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:37,791
and blossom from

1182
01:16:37,791 --> 01:16:38,500
the legislation

1183
01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:39,583
from the law I

1184
01:16:39,583 --> 01:16:40,041
was mentioning,

1185
01:16:40,041 --> 01:16:41,416
then it would be

1186
01:16:41,416 --> 01:16:41,916
harder to

1187
01:16:41,916 --> 01:16:42,541
get rid of it.

1188
01:16:42,541 --> 01:16:43,125
But we're at a

1189
01:16:43,125 --> 01:16:44,875
point where it's

1190
01:16:44,875 --> 01:16:45,583
still not quite

1191
01:16:45,583 --> 01:16:49,541
at that moment or

1192
01:16:49,541 --> 01:16:51,250
instilled enough

1193
01:16:51,250 --> 01:16:51,541
in these

1194
01:16:51,541 --> 01:16:52,333
communities yet.

1195
01:16:53,041 --> 01:16:53,416
It's really

1196
01:16:53,416 --> 01:16:53,833
interesting you

1197
01:16:53,833 --> 01:16:54,291
bring that up

1198
01:16:54,291 --> 01:16:55,041
too, because, you

1199
01:16:55,041 --> 01:16:55,500
know, as you were

1200
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:56,083
mentioning, just

1201
01:16:56,083 --> 01:16:56,625
the messaging

1202
01:16:56,625 --> 01:16:57,375
around the

1203
01:16:57,375 --> 01:16:59,375
benefits from the

1204
01:16:59,375 --> 01:17:00,125
Affordable Care

1205
01:17:00,125 --> 01:17:01,083
Act or the the

1206
01:17:01,083 --> 01:17:01,583
the Inflation

1207
01:17:01,583 --> 01:17:02,208
Reduction Act.

1208
01:17:03,666 --> 01:17:04,333
We had the same

1209
01:17:04,333 --> 01:17:05,166
thing in Canada,

1210
01:17:05,583 --> 01:17:06,083
you know, as you

1211
01:17:06,083 --> 01:17:06,500
probably heard

1212
01:17:06,500 --> 01:17:07,333
the carbon tax,

1213
01:17:07,833 --> 01:17:08,291
you know, as soon

1214
01:17:08,291 --> 01:17:08,916
as you put in the

1215
01:17:08,916 --> 01:17:10,208
word tax, nobody

1216
01:17:10,208 --> 01:17:11,166
likes it. It

1217
01:17:11,166 --> 01:17:12,041
sucks. Nobody

1218
01:17:12,041 --> 01:17:12,625
wants to pay. We

1219
01:17:12,625 --> 01:17:12,875
had a

1220
01:17:12,875 --> 01:17:13,833
consumer tax.

1221
01:17:13,833 --> 01:17:14,750
So everybody who,

1222
01:17:14,750 --> 01:17:16,083
you know, paid

1223
01:17:16,083 --> 01:17:16,875
for gas or

1224
01:17:16,875 --> 01:17:17,333
whatever that

1225
01:17:17,333 --> 01:17:18,000
might be, that

1226
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:18,875
another carbon

1227
01:17:18,875 --> 01:17:19,916
tax went on top

1228
01:17:19,916 --> 01:17:20,291
of that.

1229
01:17:20,708 --> 01:17:21,583
And that was like

1230
01:17:21,583 --> 01:17:21,916
the federal

1231
01:17:21,916 --> 01:17:22,583
policy wasn't

1232
01:17:22,583 --> 01:17:22,833
necessarily

1233
01:17:22,833 --> 01:17:23,250
provincial

1234
01:17:23,250 --> 01:17:23,750
policy.

1235
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:24,041
The province

1236
01:17:24,041 --> 01:17:25,083
didn't have a

1237
01:17:25,083 --> 01:17:26,125
carbon tax or a

1238
01:17:26,125 --> 01:17:26,916
plan for that.

1239
01:17:27,458 --> 01:17:28,333
The federal plan

1240
01:17:28,333 --> 01:17:29,916
would kick in the

1241
01:17:29,916 --> 01:17:30,833
messaging around.

1242
01:17:30,833 --> 01:17:31,166
There was a lot

1243
01:17:31,166 --> 01:17:31,500
of there were a

1244
01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:32,083
lot of benefits

1245
01:17:32,083 --> 01:17:32,666
to the

1246
01:17:32,666 --> 01:17:33,625
carbon tax for us.

1247
01:17:33,916 --> 01:17:34,250
You know, a lot

1248
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:34,666
of people went

1249
01:17:34,666 --> 01:17:35,291
over to heat

1250
01:17:35,291 --> 01:17:35,958
pumps and a lot

1251
01:17:35,958 --> 01:17:36,458
of people moved

1252
01:17:36,458 --> 01:17:37,125
over to an

1253
01:17:37,125 --> 01:17:37,708
environment like

1254
01:17:37,708 --> 01:17:39,041
EVs and so forth.

1255
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:40,625
But it wasn't it

1256
01:17:40,625 --> 01:17:41,333
wasn't

1257
01:17:41,333 --> 01:17:41,875
communicated

1258
01:17:41,875 --> 01:17:42,625
properly by the

1259
01:17:42,625 --> 01:17:42,916
federal

1260
01:17:42,916 --> 01:17:43,833
government and

1261
01:17:43,833 --> 01:17:44,166
they could have

1262
01:17:44,166 --> 01:17:44,375
done a

1263
01:17:44,375 --> 01:17:44,875
better job.

1264
01:17:44,875 --> 01:17:45,250
And maybe they're

1265
01:17:45,250 --> 01:17:45,708
waiting for the

1266
01:17:45,708 --> 01:17:46,333
provinces to do

1267
01:17:46,333 --> 01:17:46,875
it because it's

1268
01:17:46,875 --> 01:17:47,291
technically a

1269
01:17:47,291 --> 01:17:47,666
problem, a

1270
01:17:47,666 --> 01:17:48,291
provincial plan.

1271
01:17:48,541 --> 01:17:49,250
But regardless of

1272
01:17:49,250 --> 01:17:50,083
what happened, it

1273
01:17:50,083 --> 01:17:50,708
got it got

1274
01:17:50,708 --> 01:17:51,291
out of hand.

1275
01:17:51,583 --> 01:17:51,916
And of course,

1276
01:17:51,916 --> 01:17:52,916
the opposition is

1277
01:17:52,916 --> 01:17:53,208
just like

1278
01:17:53,208 --> 01:17:54,458
ax the tax.

1279
01:17:54,458 --> 01:17:54,791
The tax is

1280
01:17:54,791 --> 01:17:55,166
causing

1281
01:17:55,166 --> 01:17:55,666
inflation.

1282
01:17:55,916 --> 01:17:56,291
The tax is

1283
01:17:56,291 --> 01:17:57,041
causing all your

1284
01:17:57,041 --> 01:17:57,500
problems.

1285
01:17:57,916 --> 01:17:58,333
You can't afford

1286
01:17:58,333 --> 01:17:59,291
groceries because

1287
01:17:59,291 --> 01:18:00,125
of the carbon.

1288
01:18:00,541 --> 01:18:01,625
The messaging and

1289
01:18:01,625 --> 01:18:02,541
negative just

1290
01:18:02,541 --> 01:18:03,500
kind of like what

1291
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:04,916
Trump had done in

1292
01:18:04,916 --> 01:18:05,875
the US with

1293
01:18:05,875 --> 01:18:06,541
climate change

1294
01:18:06,541 --> 01:18:07,291
and so forth.

1295
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:08,125
They're getting

1296
01:18:08,125 --> 01:18:08,916
more attention.

1297
01:18:09,166 --> 01:18:09,916
The negativity is

1298
01:18:09,916 --> 01:18:10,333
bringing more

1299
01:18:10,333 --> 01:18:10,666
attention.

1300
01:18:11,083 --> 01:18:12,125
And the and the

1301
01:18:12,125 --> 01:18:14,125
policy is not

1302
01:18:14,125 --> 01:18:14,458
being

1303
01:18:14,458 --> 01:18:15,291
communicated

1304
01:18:15,291 --> 01:18:15,916
properly.

1305
01:18:15,916 --> 01:18:16,458
And the benefits

1306
01:18:16,458 --> 01:18:17,166
of those policies

1307
01:18:17,166 --> 01:18:17,625
are not getting

1308
01:18:17,625 --> 01:18:18,125
communicated

1309
01:18:18,125 --> 01:18:19,083
properly, which

1310
01:18:19,083 --> 01:18:19,625
is frustrating

1311
01:18:19,625 --> 01:18:20,541
for me because I

1312
01:18:20,541 --> 01:18:21,291
was kept telling

1313
01:18:21,291 --> 01:18:22,291
my mobile

1314
01:18:22,291 --> 01:18:23,041
represented.

1315
01:18:23,041 --> 01:18:23,291
I'm like, you

1316
01:18:23,291 --> 01:18:23,791
guys got to talk

1317
01:18:23,791 --> 01:18:24,125
about the

1318
01:18:24,125 --> 01:18:24,500
benefits.

1319
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:24,666
Like,

1320
01:18:24,666 --> 01:18:25,458
where is it?

1321
01:18:25,458 --> 01:18:26,083
Like, it's so

1322
01:18:26,083 --> 01:18:26,791
complicated.

1323
01:18:26,916 --> 01:18:27,625
Like, why can't

1324
01:18:27,625 --> 01:18:28,083
you talk

1325
01:18:28,083 --> 01:18:28,708
about it?

1326
01:18:29,250 --> 01:18:29,750
But then on the

1327
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:30,208
other hand, like

1328
01:18:30,208 --> 01:18:32,333
it when the when

1329
01:18:32,333 --> 01:18:33,250
it ended, like we

1330
01:18:33,250 --> 01:18:33,708
were in it

1331
01:18:33,708 --> 01:18:34,416
for a good.

1332
01:18:35,791 --> 01:18:36,000
Almost

1333
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:36,916
nine years.

1334
01:18:37,583 --> 01:18:38,000
And there were a

1335
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:38,583
lot of benefits

1336
01:18:38,583 --> 01:18:39,416
that still have

1337
01:18:39,416 --> 01:18:40,750
come out from it.

1338
01:18:42,250 --> 01:18:42,916
But when you when

1339
01:18:42,916 --> 01:18:43,375
you mentioned the

1340
01:18:43,375 --> 01:18:44,541
word tax or

1341
01:18:44,541 --> 01:18:45,666
climate change or

1342
01:18:45,666 --> 01:18:46,500
carbon tax,

1343
01:18:47,291 --> 01:18:47,833
people are just

1344
01:18:47,833 --> 01:18:48,416
like it's

1345
01:18:48,416 --> 01:18:49,333
divided, you

1346
01:18:49,333 --> 01:18:49,791
know, you either

1347
01:18:49,791 --> 01:18:50,333
love it or you

1348
01:18:50,333 --> 01:18:50,708
hate it.

1349
01:18:50,708 --> 01:18:51,000
It's black

1350
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:51,458
and white.

1351
01:18:51,791 --> 01:18:52,458
And that's it.

1352
01:18:52,458 --> 01:18:52,791
There's no

1353
01:18:52,791 --> 01:18:53,416
gray area.

1354
01:18:53,416 --> 01:18:53,833
There's no

1355
01:18:53,833 --> 01:18:54,291
meeting in

1356
01:18:54,291 --> 01:18:54,750
the middle.

1357
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:56,500
I've talked to

1358
01:18:56,500 --> 01:18:56,916
politicians

1359
01:18:56,916 --> 01:18:57,666
before, local

1360
01:18:57,666 --> 01:18:58,416
politicians, and

1361
01:18:58,416 --> 01:18:58,916
they say when

1362
01:18:58,916 --> 01:19:00,333
they engage with

1363
01:19:00,333 --> 01:19:01,958
their, you know,

1364
01:19:01,958 --> 01:19:03,000
communities, they

1365
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:03,458
don't necessarily

1366
01:19:03,458 --> 01:19:04,250
use the word

1367
01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:05,000
climate change.

1368
01:19:05,458 --> 01:19:06,041
They'll use the

1369
01:19:06,041 --> 01:19:06,625
words like

1370
01:19:06,625 --> 01:19:08,625
flooding or fires

1371
01:19:08,625 --> 01:19:09,375
that affect your

1372
01:19:09,375 --> 01:19:10,083
homes and things

1373
01:19:10,083 --> 01:19:10,625
like that.

1374
01:19:11,416 --> 01:19:12,250
Is the messaging

1375
01:19:12,250 --> 01:19:13,000
changing from

1376
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:13,750
getting away from

1377
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:14,708
those politically

1378
01:19:14,708 --> 01:19:16,333
triggered words

1379
01:19:16,333 --> 01:19:18,333
to more of less

1380
01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:19,000
you as you

1381
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:19,500
mentioned, bring

1382
01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:20,458
it more local,

1383
01:19:20,458 --> 01:19:20,875
bring it more

1384
01:19:20,875 --> 01:19:22,250
personal and how

1385
01:19:22,250 --> 01:19:23,166
it affects you no

1386
01:19:23,166 --> 01:19:24,583
insurance, that

1387
01:19:24,583 --> 01:19:25,000
kind of stuff.

1388
01:19:25,666 --> 01:19:26,750
It absolutely has

1389
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:27,416
changed in the

1390
01:19:27,416 --> 01:19:27,958
last several

1391
01:19:27,958 --> 01:19:28,833
months here since

1392
01:19:28,833 --> 01:19:29,958
the Trump Trump

1393
01:19:29,958 --> 01:19:30,958
Trump second term

1394
01:19:30,958 --> 01:19:31,458
started.

1395
01:19:32,166 --> 01:19:33,666
The main phrase

1396
01:19:33,666 --> 01:19:34,333
we're hearing a

1397
01:19:34,333 --> 01:19:35,333
lot of from

1398
01:19:35,333 --> 01:19:36,583
climate focused

1399
01:19:36,583 --> 01:19:38,041
entities is

1400
01:19:38,041 --> 01:19:39,458
energy dominance.

1401
01:19:39,708 --> 01:19:41,833
And that's that's

1402
01:19:41,833 --> 01:19:43,791
a phrase that the

1403
01:19:43,791 --> 01:19:44,583
president has

1404
01:19:44,583 --> 01:19:45,625
used a lot.

1405
01:19:45,916 --> 01:19:46,250
And a lot of

1406
01:19:46,250 --> 01:19:46,708
people try to

1407
01:19:46,708 --> 01:19:47,375
play into that.

1408
01:19:47,833 --> 01:19:48,500
I think things

1409
01:19:48,500 --> 01:19:49,000
that you don't

1410
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:49,708
hear anymore are

1411
01:19:49,708 --> 01:19:50,500
climate change,

1412
01:19:50,791 --> 01:19:51,041
emissions

1413
01:19:51,041 --> 01:19:51,583
reduction,

1414
01:19:52,916 --> 01:19:54,458
climate justice,

1415
01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:56,583
you know, things

1416
01:19:56,583 --> 01:19:57,625
that were very

1417
01:19:57,625 --> 01:19:58,458
much talked about

1418
01:19:58,458 --> 01:19:59,625
in the previous

1419
01:19:59,625 --> 01:19:59,958
administration.

1420
01:20:01,250 --> 01:20:02,250
But those are

1421
01:20:02,250 --> 01:20:03,291
great way to get

1422
01:20:03,291 --> 01:20:04,000
your project or

1423
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:04,958
your idea, your

1424
01:20:04,958 --> 01:20:06,166
bill just

1425
01:20:06,166 --> 01:20:06,958
shelved.

1426
01:20:07,875 --> 01:20:08,625
And so I think,

1427
01:20:08,625 --> 01:20:09,500
you know, it's a

1428
01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:10,208
balancing act.

1429
01:20:10,708 --> 01:20:11,625
It is wise to

1430
01:20:11,625 --> 01:20:12,125
adapt your

1431
01:20:12,125 --> 01:20:12,916
messaging, even

1432
01:20:12,916 --> 01:20:13,750
if the work

1433
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:14,125
you're actually

1434
01:20:14,125 --> 01:20:14,625
doing isn't

1435
01:20:14,625 --> 01:20:15,416
changing, because

1436
01:20:15,416 --> 01:20:16,500
at the end of the

1437
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:16,875
day, what do we

1438
01:20:16,875 --> 01:20:17,333
care about?

1439
01:20:17,333 --> 01:20:17,958
Do we care about

1440
01:20:17,958 --> 01:20:19,250
feeling feeling

1441
01:20:19,250 --> 01:20:20,041
good about what

1442
01:20:20,041 --> 01:20:21,000
we're doing and

1443
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:21,791
saying what we

1444
01:20:21,791 --> 01:20:22,333
want to say?

1445
01:20:22,833 --> 01:20:23,375
Or do we want to

1446
01:20:23,375 --> 01:20:24,000
get do we want to

1447
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:24,541
get the results

1448
01:20:24,541 --> 01:20:25,083
that we're trying

1449
01:20:25,083 --> 01:20:25,666
to achieve?

1450
01:20:26,250 --> 01:20:26,833
And do we have to

1451
01:20:26,833 --> 01:20:27,625
maybe change the

1452
01:20:27,625 --> 01:20:28,125
path to

1453
01:20:28,125 --> 01:20:28,583
get there?

1454
01:20:29,625 --> 01:20:30,208
We're not

1455
01:20:30,208 --> 01:20:31,250
compromising our

1456
01:20:31,250 --> 01:20:32,250
values or what

1457
01:20:32,250 --> 01:20:33,250
we're working on,

1458
01:20:33,250 --> 01:20:33,791
but it's just,

1459
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:34,541
okay, how do we

1460
01:20:34,541 --> 01:20:35,000
be a little more

1461
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:35,666
strategic and

1462
01:20:35,666 --> 01:20:36,291
trying to reach

1463
01:20:36,291 --> 01:20:37,000
that same outcome

1464
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,000
that we're always

1465
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:38,708
been aiming for?

1466
01:20:40,041 --> 01:20:40,291
Yeah, I love

1467
01:20:40,291 --> 01:20:41,041
that. I think

1468
01:20:41,041 --> 01:20:41,500
that's I think

1469
01:20:41,500 --> 01:20:42,875
that is a path

1470
01:20:42,875 --> 01:20:43,541
forward because

1471
01:20:43,541 --> 01:20:44,833
it takes away

1472
01:20:44,833 --> 01:20:45,791
from any kind of

1473
01:20:45,791 --> 01:20:46,291
like, like I

1474
01:20:46,291 --> 01:20:47,000
said, triggering

1475
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,791
words or any kind

1476
01:20:48,791 --> 01:20:50,041
of strife with

1477
01:20:50,041 --> 01:20:50,875
with the audience

1478
01:20:50,875 --> 01:20:52,083
and trying to

1479
01:20:52,083 --> 01:20:53,083
unite people just

1480
01:20:53,083 --> 01:20:53,500
be like, look,

1481
01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:53,958
we're all going

1482
01:20:53,958 --> 01:20:54,416
through these

1483
01:20:54,416 --> 01:20:54,583
problems.

1484
01:20:54,625 --> 01:20:55,875
Let's try and

1485
01:20:55,875 --> 01:20:56,250
let's try and

1486
01:20:56,250 --> 01:20:56,833
figure out a way

1487
01:20:56,833 --> 01:20:57,625
around it.

1488
01:20:57,791 --> 01:20:58,333
And hopefully

1489
01:20:58,333 --> 01:20:59,083
that will that

1490
01:20:59,083 --> 01:21:00,208
will help in that

1491
01:21:00,208 --> 01:21:01,000
kind of way.

1492
01:21:03,083 --> 01:21:03,500
We're in the

1493
01:21:03,500 --> 01:21:05,625
second term of

1494
01:21:05,625 --> 01:21:07,500
Donald Trump as

1495
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:07,875
president.

1496
01:21:08,416 --> 01:21:08,833
I know it's hard

1497
01:21:08,833 --> 01:21:09,458
thing to say,

1498
01:21:09,708 --> 01:21:10,041
hard thing to

1499
01:21:10,041 --> 01:21:11,041
hear, but this is

1500
01:21:11,041 --> 01:21:11,666
the second one.

1501
01:21:12,250 --> 01:21:12,750
What was the

1502
01:21:12,750 --> 01:21:13,458
difference? You

1503
01:21:13,458 --> 01:21:13,958
worked in the

1504
01:21:13,958 --> 01:21:15,041
first one in a

1505
01:21:15,041 --> 01:21:15,625
variety of

1506
01:21:15,625 --> 01:21:16,000
different

1507
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:16,666
capacities.

1508
01:21:17,208 --> 01:21:17,958
But, you know,

1509
01:21:17,958 --> 01:21:18,291
you've you've

1510
01:21:18,291 --> 01:21:18,750
been following

1511
01:21:18,750 --> 01:21:19,625
climate for a

1512
01:21:19,625 --> 01:21:20,250
long time and

1513
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:20,833
climate policy

1514
01:21:20,833 --> 01:21:21,583
for a long time.

1515
01:21:21,625 --> 01:21:22,708
What's the

1516
01:21:22,708 --> 01:21:22,875
difference

1517
01:21:22,875 --> 01:21:23,791
between the first

1518
01:21:23,791 --> 01:21:24,875
term and the

1519
01:21:24,875 --> 01:21:25,458
second term,

1520
01:21:25,458 --> 01:21:25,958
given that there

1521
01:21:25,958 --> 01:21:26,541
were four years

1522
01:21:26,541 --> 01:21:27,041
in between?

1523
01:21:28,041 --> 01:21:29,166
And I'm sure you

1524
01:21:29,166 --> 01:21:29,750
didn't mean to

1525
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:30,375
imply this, but

1526
01:21:30,375 --> 01:21:31,041
just to be

1527
01:21:31,041 --> 01:21:31,708
absolutely clear,

1528
01:21:31,708 --> 01:21:32,375
did not work in

1529
01:21:32,375 --> 01:21:33,000
the first Trump

1530
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:33,208
administration.

1531
01:21:33,625 --> 01:21:34,666
Oh, yes. No, my

1532
01:21:34,666 --> 01:21:35,708
apologies.

1533
01:21:36,833 --> 01:21:38,000
You worked in the

1534
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:38,916
climate industry

1535
01:21:38,916 --> 01:21:39,416
like that.

1536
01:21:39,625 --> 01:21:40,958
While he was

1537
01:21:40,958 --> 01:21:41,458
president. My

1538
01:21:41,458 --> 01:21:42,083
apologies.

1539
01:21:42,541 --> 01:21:43,291
Was in the

1540
01:21:43,291 --> 01:21:44,166
whirlwind. No, I

1541
01:21:44,166 --> 01:21:44,958
just I knew

1542
01:21:44,958 --> 01:21:45,375
that's not what

1543
01:21:45,375 --> 01:21:45,958
you meant, but

1544
01:21:45,958 --> 01:21:46,791
I'm sure your

1545
01:21:46,791 --> 01:21:47,833
listeners can

1546
01:21:47,833 --> 01:21:48,458
discern that that

1547
01:21:48,458 --> 01:21:48,583
was not the case.

1548
01:21:48,625 --> 01:21:49,541
But I just

1549
01:21:49,541 --> 01:21:50,166
appreciate that

1550
01:21:50,166 --> 01:21:50,958
crystal crystal

1551
01:21:50,958 --> 01:21:51,333
clear some

1552
01:21:51,333 --> 01:21:52,541
agree agree.

1553
01:21:53,125 --> 01:21:53,500
You know, I think

1554
01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:54,333
the first time

1555
01:21:54,333 --> 01:21:55,041
felt like nobody

1556
01:21:55,041 --> 01:21:55,458
knew what they

1557
01:21:55,458 --> 01:21:56,083
were doing in the

1558
01:21:56,083 --> 01:21:56,250
Trump

1559
01:21:56,250 --> 01:21:56,458
administration.

1560
01:21:56,625 --> 01:21:57,583
They had all

1561
01:21:57,583 --> 01:21:58,083
these things they

1562
01:21:58,083 --> 01:21:58,500
were trying to

1563
01:21:58,500 --> 01:21:59,750
do, but they were

1564
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:59,958
very

1565
01:21:59,958 --> 01:22:01,000
sloppy about it.

1566
01:22:01,416 --> 01:22:02,208
They tried to

1567
01:22:02,208 --> 01:22:02,833
they didn't

1568
01:22:02,833 --> 01:22:04,000
follow the proper

1569
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,208
steps to repeal

1570
01:22:05,208 --> 01:22:06,041
regulations, for

1571
01:22:06,041 --> 01:22:06,375
example.

1572
01:22:07,208 --> 01:22:07,791
And they lost a

1573
01:22:07,791 --> 01:22:08,416
lot of lawsuits

1574
01:22:08,416 --> 01:22:09,291
and couldn't get

1575
01:22:09,291 --> 01:22:09,791
what they wanted

1576
01:22:09,791 --> 01:22:10,750
because of that

1577
01:22:10,750 --> 01:22:11,666
procedural

1578
01:22:11,666 --> 01:22:13,125
concern this

1579
01:22:13,125 --> 01:22:13,583
time around.

1580
01:22:14,625 --> 01:22:15,500
You know, from

1581
01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:16,500
day one, they've

1582
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:16,833
been on

1583
01:22:16,833 --> 01:22:17,375
top of it.

1584
01:22:17,583 --> 01:22:18,500
They learned from

1585
01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:18,833
some of their

1586
01:22:18,833 --> 01:22:20,125
mistakes from the

1587
01:22:20,125 --> 01:22:20,666
first time.

1588
01:22:21,625 --> 01:22:22,500
And, you know, we

1589
01:22:22,500 --> 01:22:23,500
experienced just

1590
01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:26,791
a period of it

1591
01:22:26,791 --> 01:22:27,583
felt I don't know

1592
01:22:27,583 --> 01:22:28,333
how long it was.

1593
01:22:28,583 --> 01:22:29,833
I try to not

1594
01:22:29,833 --> 01:22:30,583
think too much of

1595
01:22:30,583 --> 01:22:31,500
that period, but

1596
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:31,791
it was

1597
01:22:31,791 --> 01:22:32,333
just chaos.

1598
01:22:32,625 --> 01:22:32,750
They were

1599
01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:33,000
throwing

1600
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:33,208
everything

1601
01:22:33,208 --> 01:22:34,000
against the wall

1602
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,208
and they they

1603
01:22:36,208 --> 01:22:37,208
were they're

1604
01:22:37,208 --> 01:22:38,125
urging course to

1605
01:22:38,125 --> 01:22:39,416
tell them to tell

1606
01:22:39,416 --> 01:22:39,583
them no.

1607
01:22:40,625 --> 01:22:41,291
They were laying

1608
01:22:41,291 --> 01:22:42,208
off people. They

1609
01:22:42,208 --> 01:22:43,291
were repealing as

1610
01:22:43,291 --> 01:22:43,541
much as

1611
01:22:43,541 --> 01:22:43,875
they could.

1612
01:22:43,875 --> 01:22:44,208
They were doing

1613
01:22:44,208 --> 01:22:44,875
as much as they

1614
01:22:44,875 --> 01:22:45,666
could with

1615
01:22:45,666 --> 01:22:46,541
executive order,

1616
01:22:46,541 --> 01:22:47,041
not worrying

1617
01:22:47,041 --> 01:22:47,750
about any other

1618
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:48,166
branch of

1619
01:22:48,166 --> 01:22:48,500
government.

1620
01:22:48,625 --> 01:22:50,791
They they they

1621
01:22:50,791 --> 01:22:51,875
had an agenda and

1622
01:22:51,875 --> 01:22:52,958
a plan coming in

1623
01:22:52,958 --> 01:22:53,875
and they wasted

1624
01:22:53,875 --> 01:22:55,916
no time to try to

1625
01:22:55,916 --> 01:22:56,583
execute it.

1626
01:22:56,875 --> 01:22:57,500
And in some ways,

1627
01:22:57,500 --> 01:22:58,000
it's actually

1628
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:59,250
admirable as a as

1629
01:22:59,250 --> 01:23:00,458
a use of power

1630
01:23:00,458 --> 01:23:01,041
and trying to

1631
01:23:01,041 --> 01:23:01,958
achieve what you

1632
01:23:01,958 --> 01:23:02,541
want to achieve.

1633
01:23:03,625 --> 01:23:04,666
But obviously the

1634
01:23:04,666 --> 01:23:05,458
substance of all

1635
01:23:05,458 --> 01:23:06,041
these things was

1636
01:23:06,041 --> 01:23:06,583
very concerning.

1637
01:23:06,625 --> 01:23:07,500
Yeah.

1638
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:09,166
And still is

1639
01:23:09,166 --> 01:23:09,958
there's been, you

1640
01:23:09,958 --> 01:23:10,541
know, it slowed

1641
01:23:10,541 --> 01:23:11,416
down a little bit

1642
01:23:11,416 --> 01:23:12,000
because the

1643
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:12,875
courts have put

1644
01:23:12,875 --> 01:23:13,291
on some

1645
01:23:13,291 --> 01:23:14,250
guardrails up.

1646
01:23:14,625 --> 01:23:15,625
Not not entirely,

1647
01:23:15,958 --> 01:23:16,625
but some.

1648
01:23:17,083 --> 01:23:18,958
And and now, as

1649
01:23:18,958 --> 01:23:19,500
the focus has

1650
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:20,125
really shifted

1651
01:23:20,125 --> 01:23:21,500
from what the

1652
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:22,541
president can do

1653
01:23:22,541 --> 01:23:23,958
on his own to

1654
01:23:23,958 --> 01:23:24,791
what he needs

1655
01:23:24,791 --> 01:23:25,583
Congress, even

1656
01:23:25,583 --> 01:23:26,500
though his party

1657
01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:27,083
controls

1658
01:23:27,083 --> 01:23:28,500
Congress, there's

1659
01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:29,583
still different

1660
01:23:29,583 --> 01:23:30,583
ideas on

1661
01:23:30,583 --> 01:23:31,208
what to do.

1662
01:23:31,208 --> 01:23:32,250
And so that

1663
01:23:32,250 --> 01:23:32,583
process is less clean.

1664
01:23:32,625 --> 01:23:34,500
And so that takes

1665
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:34,958
a little bit of

1666
01:23:34,958 --> 01:23:36,541
time. And we've

1667
01:23:36,541 --> 01:23:37,000
gotten to the

1668
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:37,583
point in the

1669
01:23:37,583 --> 01:23:38,833
first term here,

1670
01:23:39,208 --> 01:23:39,750
sorry, the first

1671
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:40,250
year of the

1672
01:23:40,250 --> 01:23:41,666
second term where

1673
01:23:41,666 --> 01:23:42,500
they have to hash

1674
01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:43,000
out some of these

1675
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:43,208
different ideas

1676
01:23:43,208 --> 01:23:44,458
and the details.

1677
01:23:44,458 --> 01:23:44,666
You know, the

1678
01:23:44,666 --> 01:23:45,208
devil is always

1679
01:23:45,208 --> 01:23:45,791
in the details

1680
01:23:45,791 --> 01:23:46,250
and they're at

1681
01:23:46,250 --> 01:23:46,791
that point.

1682
01:23:46,791 --> 01:23:47,625
They're at that

1683
01:23:47,625 --> 01:23:47,958
point in

1684
01:23:47,958 --> 01:23:48,458
negotiations.

1685
01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:50,916
And I don't I

1686
01:23:50,916 --> 01:23:51,416
couldn't tell you

1687
01:23:51,416 --> 01:23:51,708
that Trump

1688
01:23:51,708 --> 01:23:52,250
actually knows

1689
01:23:52,250 --> 01:23:52,625
any of the

1690
01:23:52,625 --> 01:23:53,083
details.

1691
01:23:53,541 --> 01:23:55,666
But he but he

1692
01:23:55,666 --> 01:23:56,583
just won. He just wants a bill.

1693
01:23:56,625 --> 01:24:00,958
And and so the

1694
01:24:00,958 --> 01:24:01,458
you know, his

1695
01:24:01,458 --> 01:24:02,000
colleagues, the

1696
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:02,500
Republican

1697
01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:04,125
leaders in the in

1698
01:24:04,125 --> 01:24:05,291
Congress are

1699
01:24:05,291 --> 01:24:05,750
working through

1700
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:06,125
that at

1701
01:24:06,125 --> 01:24:06,500
the moment.

1702
01:24:06,833 --> 01:24:08,208
So it's been

1703
01:24:08,208 --> 01:24:09,583
about five months

1704
01:24:09,583 --> 01:24:10,500
now, almost five

1705
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:11,291
months. And

1706
01:24:11,291 --> 01:24:12,125
there's been a

1707
01:24:12,125 --> 01:24:12,875
lot that's been

1708
01:24:12,875 --> 01:24:13,500
done. There's

1709
01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:14,083
been a lot that's

1710
01:24:14,083 --> 01:24:15,125
been reported on.

1711
01:24:15,416 --> 01:24:18,208
But it's it has

1712
01:24:18,208 --> 01:24:18,791
been a whirlwind,

1713
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:19,500
but it does feel

1714
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:20,833
like it's slowed

1715
01:24:20,833 --> 01:24:21,500
down a little

1716
01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:22,458
bit. But it was a

1717
01:24:22,458 --> 01:24:22,583
torrent start.

1718
01:24:22,625 --> 01:24:24,625
Right. And during

1719
01:24:24,625 --> 01:24:26,000
that time, you

1720
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:26,583
know, I know he

1721
01:24:26,583 --> 01:24:28,208
he he pulled the

1722
01:24:28,208 --> 01:24:29,500
U.S. out of the

1723
01:24:29,500 --> 01:24:31,000
Paris Accord, the

1724
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:31,208
climate

1725
01:24:31,208 --> 01:24:31,916
change accord.

1726
01:24:32,625 --> 01:24:34,125
What else was

1727
01:24:34,125 --> 01:24:35,166
done in terms of

1728
01:24:35,166 --> 01:24:36,166
climate change

1729
01:24:36,166 --> 01:24:38,166
that had a pretty

1730
01:24:38,166 --> 01:24:38,625
significant

1731
01:24:38,625 --> 01:24:40,750
effect on other

1732
01:24:40,750 --> 01:24:41,333
acts that came

1733
01:24:41,333 --> 01:24:42,333
through the

1734
01:24:42,333 --> 01:24:42,583
inflation

1735
01:24:42,583 --> 01:24:43,500
reduction act and

1736
01:24:43,500 --> 01:24:44,125
so forth?

1737
01:24:44,791 --> 01:24:45,166
Well, the first

1738
01:24:45,166 --> 01:24:45,875
one that comes to

1739
01:24:45,875 --> 01:24:46,583
mind is he

1740
01:24:46,583 --> 01:24:47,083
declared an

1741
01:24:47,083 --> 01:24:48,000
energy emergency,

1742
01:24:49,125 --> 01:24:49,541
right? Even

1743
01:24:49,541 --> 01:24:51,625
though it's not sure what that's based on.

1744
01:24:52,625 --> 01:24:54,375
But that gives

1745
01:24:54,375 --> 01:24:55,291
him the ability

1746
01:24:55,291 --> 01:24:55,958
to do certain

1747
01:24:55,958 --> 01:24:57,000
things to prop up

1748
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,666
fossil fuels. And

1749
01:24:58,666 --> 01:25:01,375
it's it doesn't

1750
01:25:01,375 --> 01:25:03,375
really square

1751
01:25:03,375 --> 01:25:04,250
that he's on the

1752
01:25:04,250 --> 01:25:05,041
one hand saying

1753
01:25:05,041 --> 01:25:06,500
it's it's an

1754
01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:07,875
energy emergency.

1755
01:25:08,125 --> 01:25:09,000
And we need all

1756
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:10,458
energy sources or

1757
01:25:10,458 --> 01:25:11,000
we know as much

1758
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:11,458
energy as

1759
01:25:11,458 --> 01:25:12,041
possible because

1760
01:25:12,041 --> 01:25:12,500
it's emergency.

1761
01:25:12,625 --> 01:25:14,041
But then then

1762
01:25:14,041 --> 01:25:15,000
he's killing

1763
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,125
offshore wind and

1764
01:25:17,125 --> 01:25:17,750
projects,

1765
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:18,250
including one

1766
01:25:18,250 --> 01:25:19,208
that was fully

1767
01:25:19,208 --> 01:25:20,291
permitted and

1768
01:25:20,291 --> 01:25:21,125
they were they

1769
01:25:21,125 --> 01:25:22,250
were they were

1770
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:22,875
building already

1771
01:25:22,875 --> 01:25:23,500
or they just

1772
01:25:23,500 --> 01:25:24,875
started that

1773
01:25:24,875 --> 01:25:25,750
that's since been

1774
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:26,458
reversed.

1775
01:25:26,916 --> 01:25:29,250
But, you know,

1776
01:25:29,250 --> 01:25:29,958
he's saying he's

1777
01:25:29,958 --> 01:25:30,416
pretty much

1778
01:25:30,416 --> 01:25:31,458
mandating for

1779
01:25:31,458 --> 01:25:32,666
coal plants to

1780
01:25:32,666 --> 01:25:33,500
stay open, even

1781
01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:34,000
if they're not

1782
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:34,625
financially

1783
01:25:34,625 --> 01:25:36,000
sustainable.

1784
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:36,708
So it's unclear

1785
01:25:36,708 --> 01:25:37,583
how exactly that will work.

1786
01:25:37,625 --> 01:25:40,208
You know, there's

1787
01:25:40,208 --> 01:25:41,166
there's programs

1788
01:25:41,166 --> 01:25:42,125
that were part of

1789
01:25:42,125 --> 01:25:42,791
the inflation

1790
01:25:42,791 --> 01:25:43,416
reduction act,

1791
01:25:43,416 --> 01:25:44,000
the bill that I

1792
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:44,291
mentioned from

1793
01:25:44,291 --> 01:25:46,208
2022 contracts

1794
01:25:46,208 --> 01:25:46,625
that have been

1795
01:25:46,625 --> 01:25:48,375
signed with, you

1796
01:25:48,375 --> 01:25:48,583
know, there's

1797
01:25:48,583 --> 01:25:49,250
this Green Bank

1798
01:25:49,250 --> 01:25:50,000
program that a

1799
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:50,291
lot of other

1800
01:25:50,291 --> 01:25:50,875
countries have

1801
01:25:50,875 --> 01:25:51,041
done

1802
01:25:51,041 --> 01:25:51,708
successfully.

1803
01:25:52,625 --> 01:25:53,916
It's a way of

1804
01:25:53,916 --> 01:25:54,875
lending to allow

1805
01:25:54,875 --> 01:25:55,333
some of these

1806
01:25:55,333 --> 01:25:56,000
really important

1807
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:56,833
projects to go

1808
01:25:56,833 --> 01:25:59,250
forward. And the

1809
01:25:59,250 --> 01:25:59,375
last

1810
01:25:59,375 --> 01:25:59,916
administration

1811
01:25:59,916 --> 01:26:01,125
had put a

1812
01:26:01,125 --> 01:26:01,416
significant

1813
01:26:01,416 --> 01:26:02,000
amount of federal

1814
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:02,583
dollars to this.

1815
01:26:02,625 --> 01:26:03,458
And these

1816
01:26:03,458 --> 01:26:04,875
grantees had

1817
01:26:04,875 --> 01:26:05,666
signed contracts.

1818
01:26:06,625 --> 01:26:07,291
But the Trump

1819
01:26:07,291 --> 01:26:07,625
administration

1820
01:26:07,625 --> 01:26:08,416
came in and said,

1821
01:26:08,416 --> 01:26:09,000
actually, we're

1822
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:09,875
going to we're

1823
01:26:09,875 --> 01:26:10,333
canceling that.

1824
01:26:11,041 --> 01:26:11,916
And so they're

1825
01:26:11,916 --> 01:26:12,333
they're in the

1826
01:26:12,333 --> 01:26:12,666
midst of

1827
01:26:12,666 --> 01:26:13,583
litigation. And

1828
01:26:13,583 --> 01:26:13,958
it's really

1829
01:26:13,958 --> 01:26:14,916
slowed down some

1830
01:26:14,916 --> 01:26:15,500
of these projects

1831
01:26:15,500 --> 01:26:16,000
that had been

1832
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:16,875
announced already

1833
01:26:16,875 --> 01:26:17,583
all across the

1834
01:26:17,583 --> 01:26:17,916
country.

1835
01:26:18,708 --> 01:26:20,125
And, you know, we

1836
01:26:20,125 --> 01:26:20,625
don't have time

1837
01:26:20,625 --> 01:26:21,041
to go through

1838
01:26:21,041 --> 01:26:21,875
every executive

1839
01:26:21,875 --> 01:26:22,833
order related to

1840
01:26:22,833 --> 01:26:23,333
climate and

1841
01:26:23,333 --> 01:26:24,458
energy in this

1842
01:26:24,458 --> 01:26:24,583
conversation.

1843
01:26:24,625 --> 01:26:26,458
But there's a

1844
01:26:26,458 --> 01:26:27,541
long list and

1845
01:26:27,541 --> 01:26:29,916
they're they're

1846
01:26:29,916 --> 01:26:30,625
not missing any

1847
01:26:30,625 --> 01:26:31,583
opportunity to go

1848
01:26:31,583 --> 01:26:32,208
after something

1849
01:26:32,208 --> 01:26:33,291
that someone in

1850
01:26:33,291 --> 01:26:33,875
the

1851
01:26:33,875 --> 01:26:34,750
community values.

1852
01:26:35,625 --> 01:26:36,916
It's really odd.

1853
01:26:37,208 --> 01:26:38,041
I mean, it's it's

1854
01:26:38,041 --> 01:26:38,958
it's odd from a

1855
01:26:38,958 --> 01:26:39,500
common sense

1856
01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:40,125
point of view

1857
01:26:40,125 --> 01:26:40,791
when you look at

1858
01:26:40,791 --> 01:26:41,125
it from the

1859
01:26:41,125 --> 01:26:41,625
outside, if

1860
01:26:41,625 --> 01:26:42,250
you're declaring

1861
01:26:42,250 --> 01:26:43,833
an emergency, an

1862
01:26:43,833 --> 01:26:44,625
energy emergency,

1863
01:26:44,625 --> 01:26:45,375
that you're going

1864
01:26:45,375 --> 01:26:46,416
to kill off one

1865
01:26:46,416 --> 01:26:47,291
form of energy

1866
01:26:47,291 --> 01:26:48,416
and prop up

1867
01:26:48,416 --> 01:26:48,583
another.

1868
01:26:48,625 --> 01:26:50,041
So it's you know,

1869
01:26:50,041 --> 01:26:50,333
it's very

1870
01:26:50,333 --> 01:26:51,416
hypocritical to

1871
01:26:51,416 --> 01:26:52,250
say we're going

1872
01:26:52,250 --> 01:26:52,875
to prop up the

1873
01:26:52,875 --> 01:26:53,791
fossil fuel side,

1874
01:26:53,791 --> 01:26:54,750
but we're going

1875
01:26:54,750 --> 01:26:56,208
to kill the green

1876
01:26:56,208 --> 01:26:57,041
side, you know,

1877
01:26:57,041 --> 01:26:57,875
the renewable

1878
01:26:57,875 --> 01:26:59,000
energy side, even

1879
01:26:59,000 --> 01:26:59,625
though that was

1880
01:26:59,625 --> 01:27:01,083
well on its way.

1881
01:27:01,625 --> 01:27:02,666
And maybe some of

1882
01:27:02,666 --> 01:27:03,125
those projects

1883
01:27:03,125 --> 01:27:03,500
had already

1884
01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:04,166
started. Maybe

1885
01:27:04,166 --> 01:27:04,541
some of them

1886
01:27:04,541 --> 01:27:05,125
haven't. But

1887
01:27:05,125 --> 01:27:06,250
that's a very

1888
01:27:06,250 --> 01:27:07,416
frustrating fact

1889
01:27:07,416 --> 01:27:08,291
of not growing

1890
01:27:08,291 --> 01:27:09,500
energy together

1891
01:27:09,500 --> 01:27:11,166
and balancing the

1892
01:27:11,166 --> 01:27:12,125
two. And at some

1893
01:27:12,125 --> 01:27:12,708
point, I mean,

1894
01:27:12,708 --> 01:27:13,583
the hope is for the world.

1895
01:27:13,625 --> 01:27:15,500
And I know in

1896
01:27:15,500 --> 01:27:16,375
Canada, the hope

1897
01:27:16,375 --> 01:27:17,375
is to, you know,

1898
01:27:17,791 --> 01:27:18,583
right now, you

1899
01:27:18,583 --> 01:27:19,041
know, green

1900
01:27:19,041 --> 01:27:20,000
energy may be a

1901
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:20,666
little lower than

1902
01:27:20,666 --> 01:27:21,750
fossil fuels. But

1903
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:22,791
as that grows, a

1904
01:27:22,791 --> 01:27:23,375
fossil fuel will

1905
01:27:23,375 --> 01:27:24,333
go down maybe to

1906
01:27:24,333 --> 01:27:25,666
like 20 to 30

1907
01:27:25,666 --> 01:27:26,208
percent of

1908
01:27:26,208 --> 01:27:27,750
total energy.

1909
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:28,541
And I feel like

1910
01:27:28,541 --> 01:27:29,000
that's what the

1911
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:29,583
world is trying

1912
01:27:29,583 --> 01:27:30,250
to go towards

1913
01:27:30,250 --> 01:27:30,750
when we keep

1914
01:27:30,750 --> 01:27:31,250
hitting these

1915
01:27:31,250 --> 01:27:31,750
balances,

1916
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:32,291
depending on

1917
01:27:32,291 --> 01:27:33,500
who's who's in

1918
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:34,083
charge. But it's

1919
01:27:34,083 --> 01:27:34,958
really weird when

1920
01:27:34,958 --> 01:27:35,625
you know, like

1921
01:27:35,625 --> 01:27:36,083
you said, you

1922
01:27:36,083 --> 01:27:37,166
declared an

1923
01:27:37,166 --> 01:27:38,583
emergent, an emergent, an energy emergency.

1924
01:27:38,625 --> 01:27:40,625
And then all of a

1925
01:27:40,625 --> 01:27:41,000
sudden, you're

1926
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:41,333
like, well, I'm

1927
01:27:41,333 --> 01:27:41,833
going to kill off

1928
01:27:41,833 --> 01:27:42,708
one this these

1929
01:27:42,708 --> 01:27:43,291
projects that

1930
01:27:43,291 --> 01:27:44,125
will help our

1931
01:27:44,125 --> 01:27:45,250
energy. And I'm

1932
01:27:45,250 --> 01:27:45,916
going to prop up

1933
01:27:45,916 --> 01:27:46,375
the other one. It

1934
01:27:46,375 --> 01:27:47,125
just goes like it

1935
01:27:47,125 --> 01:27:47,875
for to me, it

1936
01:27:47,875 --> 01:27:48,458
just looks like,

1937
01:27:48,458 --> 01:27:49,250
okay, somebody's

1938
01:27:49,250 --> 01:27:49,875
in your back,

1939
01:27:49,875 --> 01:27:50,250
like you're in

1940
01:27:50,250 --> 01:27:50,583
somebody's

1941
01:27:50,583 --> 01:27:51,250
back pocket.

1942
01:27:51,625 --> 01:27:52,125
And it's the

1943
01:27:52,125 --> 01:27:52,666
fossil fuel

1944
01:27:52,666 --> 01:27:53,166
industry. And

1945
01:27:53,166 --> 01:27:53,708
they just want

1946
01:27:53,708 --> 01:27:55,041
the domination of

1947
01:27:55,041 --> 01:27:55,583
of energy, right?

1948
01:27:56,625 --> 01:27:58,333
That's right. And

1949
01:27:58,333 --> 01:27:58,791
they I mean,

1950
01:27:58,791 --> 01:27:59,208
let's look at

1951
01:27:59,208 --> 01:28:00,458
EVs, for example,

1952
01:28:00,458 --> 01:28:00,916
that was another

1953
01:28:00,916 --> 01:28:01,666
thing where

1954
01:28:01,666 --> 01:28:03,500
they're there.

1955
01:28:03,500 --> 01:28:04,166
They halted the

1956
01:28:04,166 --> 01:28:06,291
rollout of the EV

1957
01:28:06,291 --> 01:28:07,583
charging stations

1958
01:28:07,583 --> 01:28:08,208
all across the

1959
01:28:08,208 --> 01:28:08,625
country.

1960
01:28:08,625 --> 01:28:09,625
There is there is

1961
01:28:09,625 --> 01:28:10,166
money set aside

1962
01:28:10,166 --> 01:28:11,791
for that. That's

1963
01:28:11,791 --> 01:28:12,375
really critical

1964
01:28:12,375 --> 01:28:13,000
for the adoption

1965
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:14,166
of EVs. They're

1966
01:28:14,166 --> 01:28:14,708
trying to kill

1967
01:28:14,708 --> 01:28:16,125
the $7500 tax

1968
01:28:16,125 --> 01:28:17,041
credit for EVs

1969
01:28:17,041 --> 01:28:18,708
that, again,

1970
01:28:18,958 --> 01:28:19,875
makes some of

1971
01:28:19,875 --> 01:28:20,458
these cars more

1972
01:28:20,458 --> 01:28:21,250
affordable as we

1973
01:28:21,250 --> 01:28:22,291
get, you know,

1974
01:28:22,291 --> 01:28:22,916
from a less

1975
01:28:22,916 --> 01:28:23,541
mature market

1976
01:28:23,541 --> 01:28:24,041
into a more

1977
01:28:24,041 --> 01:28:24,333
mature

1978
01:28:24,333 --> 01:28:24,625
market for EVs.

1979
01:28:25,875 --> 01:28:26,750
Meanwhile, China

1980
01:28:26,750 --> 01:28:28,166
is is dominating

1981
01:28:28,166 --> 01:28:28,875
that industry

1982
01:28:28,875 --> 01:28:29,666
right now with

1983
01:28:29,666 --> 01:28:33,125
BYD and and so

1984
01:28:33,125 --> 01:28:35,000
there's just a

1985
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,000
lot of things

1986
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:37,416
that don't

1987
01:28:37,416 --> 01:28:38,083
comport. Let me

1988
01:28:38,083 --> 01:28:38,375
give you another

1989
01:28:38,375 --> 01:28:38,791
example.

1990
01:28:39,625 --> 01:28:41,166
Energy demand is

1991
01:28:41,166 --> 01:28:41,833
growing for the

1992
01:28:41,833 --> 01:28:42,333
first time in

1993
01:28:42,333 --> 01:28:45,041
decades and it's

1994
01:28:45,041 --> 01:28:46,166
it's largely due

1995
01:28:46,166 --> 01:28:46,416
to

1996
01:28:46,416 --> 01:28:47,291
electrification,

1997
01:28:47,291 --> 01:28:47,875
including a

1998
01:28:47,875 --> 01:28:48,750
vehicle's but

1999
01:28:48,750 --> 01:28:49,750
also AI and data

2000
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:50,458
centers. You hear

2001
01:28:50,458 --> 01:28:50,583
about that a lot.

2002
01:28:50,625 --> 01:28:53,458
Yeah, and Bitcoin

2003
01:28:53,458 --> 01:28:55,166
crypto mining.

2004
01:28:57,041 --> 01:28:57,791
And and so

2005
01:28:57,791 --> 01:28:59,083
there's a ton of

2006
01:28:59,083 --> 01:29:00,291
energy demands

2007
01:29:00,291 --> 01:29:02,208
that can't it

2008
01:29:02,208 --> 01:29:02,875
won't be met.

2009
01:29:02,875 --> 01:29:03,291
It's not keeping

2010
01:29:03,291 --> 01:29:04,208
up at this point.

2011
01:29:04,625 --> 01:29:05,458
And so that's why

2012
01:29:05,458 --> 01:29:06,166
you need all the

2013
01:29:06,166 --> 01:29:06,583
energy sources.

2014
01:29:06,625 --> 01:29:09,000
And so, you know,

2015
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:09,666
the president has

2016
01:29:09,666 --> 01:29:10,291
made clear he

2017
01:29:10,291 --> 01:29:10,958
wants to win the

2018
01:29:10,958 --> 01:29:11,916
AI race, but

2019
01:29:11,916 --> 01:29:12,833
you're

2020
01:29:12,833 --> 01:29:13,583
undermining that

2021
01:29:13,583 --> 01:29:14,708
goal when you're

2022
01:29:14,708 --> 01:29:15,375
cutting off.

2023
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:16,791
You're not, you

2024
01:29:16,791 --> 01:29:17,083
know, they used

2025
01:29:17,083 --> 01:29:18,083
to say all of the

2026
01:29:18,083 --> 01:29:19,208
above. Now

2027
01:29:19,208 --> 01:29:19,791
they're saying

2028
01:29:19,791 --> 01:29:21,583
fossil fuel only

2029
01:29:21,583 --> 01:29:22,416
and maybe

2030
01:29:22,416 --> 01:29:22,583
nuclear.

2031
01:29:23,541 --> 01:29:25,541
Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2032
01:29:25,541 --> 01:29:26,500
exactly. And and

2033
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:27,875
I mean, it's

2034
01:29:27,875 --> 01:29:28,625
always I mean,

2035
01:29:28,625 --> 01:29:29,458
nuclear is always

2036
01:29:29,458 --> 01:29:31,000
controversial for

2037
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:32,083
the for the, you

2038
01:29:32,083 --> 01:29:32,750
know, a lot of

2039
01:29:32,750 --> 01:29:34,375
people. I know

2040
01:29:34,375 --> 01:29:35,625
why, you know, we

2041
01:29:35,625 --> 01:29:36,333
have nuclear

2042
01:29:36,333 --> 01:29:37,500
energy here and

2043
01:29:37,500 --> 01:29:37,666
it's

2044
01:29:37,666 --> 01:29:38,083
controversial

2045
01:29:38,083 --> 01:29:39,333
here. It provides

2046
01:29:39,333 --> 01:29:40,083
a lot of energy,

2047
01:29:40,333 --> 01:29:40,958
but it's also if

2048
01:29:40,958 --> 01:29:41,333
something goes

2049
01:29:41,333 --> 01:29:42,875
wrong, we're all

2050
01:29:42,875 --> 01:29:43,958
screwed, like for

2051
01:29:43,958 --> 01:29:44,541
a long, like

2052
01:29:44,541 --> 01:29:45,416
Chernobyl screwed

2053
01:29:45,416 --> 01:29:46,583
and and that's a

2054
01:29:46,583 --> 01:29:47,250
that's a

2055
01:29:47,250 --> 01:29:47,583
big deal.

2056
01:29:47,625 --> 01:29:50,333
There's a lot

2057
01:29:50,333 --> 01:29:51,458
like even in

2058
01:29:51,458 --> 01:29:52,416
these what five

2059
01:29:52,416 --> 01:29:53,666
months that the

2060
01:29:53,666 --> 01:29:53,875
Trump

2061
01:29:53,875 --> 01:29:54,291
administration

2062
01:29:54,291 --> 01:29:55,125
has been in power

2063
01:29:55,125 --> 01:29:56,666
pretty much carte

2064
01:29:56,666 --> 01:29:57,083
blanche of being

2065
01:29:57,083 --> 01:29:57,500
able to what

2066
01:29:57,500 --> 01:29:58,333
being able to do

2067
01:29:58,333 --> 01:29:58,791
what we do. And

2068
01:29:58,791 --> 01:29:59,375
as you mentioned,

2069
01:29:59,375 --> 01:29:59,750
it's just really

2070
01:29:59,750 --> 01:30:00,333
difficult to go

2071
01:30:00,333 --> 01:30:00,791
through every

2072
01:30:00,791 --> 01:30:01,333
single executive

2073
01:30:01,333 --> 01:30:01,791
order that

2074
01:30:01,791 --> 01:30:02,791
undermines

2075
01:30:02,791 --> 01:30:03,791
anything around

2076
01:30:03,791 --> 01:30:04,333
around

2077
01:30:04,333 --> 01:30:04,583
climate action.

2078
01:30:04,625 --> 01:30:08,125
In the next three

2079
01:30:08,125 --> 01:30:09,291
and a half years,

2080
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:10,541
at least, I

2081
01:30:10,541 --> 01:30:13,375
guess, what's the

2082
01:30:13,375 --> 01:30:14,500
plan? Like, what

2083
01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:15,500
are all of like,

2084
01:30:15,500 --> 01:30:16,500
you know, clients

2085
01:30:16,500 --> 01:30:17,708
and and that you

2086
01:30:17,708 --> 01:30:18,958
have and the

2087
01:30:18,958 --> 01:30:19,541
industry, the

2088
01:30:19,541 --> 01:30:20,416
clean energy

2089
01:30:20,416 --> 01:30:23,000
industry. How are

2090
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:24,166
they going to

2091
01:30:24,166 --> 01:30:25,416
react to this?

2092
01:30:25,416 --> 01:30:25,958
And how are they

2093
01:30:25,958 --> 01:30:26,583
going to push

2094
01:30:26,583 --> 01:30:27,375
forward to do the

2095
01:30:27,375 --> 01:30:27,833
work that they

2096
01:30:27,833 --> 01:30:28,666
want to do

2097
01:30:28,666 --> 01:30:29,833
without the help

2098
01:30:29,833 --> 01:30:30,583
of the federal government? Can they? And what's the plan?

2099
01:30:31,625 --> 01:30:34,833
I think there's

2100
01:30:34,833 --> 01:30:36,083
you have to look

2101
01:30:36,083 --> 01:30:36,833
for what we

2102
01:30:36,833 --> 01:30:37,541
advise with our

2103
01:30:37,541 --> 01:30:38,208
clients is you

2104
01:30:38,208 --> 01:30:39,458
have to find the

2105
01:30:39,458 --> 01:30:40,833
small slivers of

2106
01:30:40,833 --> 01:30:42,708
opportunity. You

2107
01:30:42,708 --> 01:30:42,958
know, there's

2108
01:30:42,958 --> 01:30:43,625
just kind of a

2109
01:30:43,625 --> 01:30:47,000
reality shock to

2110
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:47,791
the system when

2111
01:30:47,791 --> 01:30:48,583
you realize that it's such a change from where we were with the last administration. And so you just have to adjust kind of what the reality and to the new reality. And there are some opportunities. I was talking to a couple of people who are in the

2112
01:30:48,625 --> 01:30:49,291
industry. And so, is there a way to make some progress with advanced geothermal make that bigger slice of the energy supply? You know,

2113
01:30:49,291 --> 01:30:50,083
you also look to

2114
01:30:50,083 --> 01:30:50,375
the states you

2115
01:30:50,375 --> 01:30:50,666
want to find

2116
01:30:50,666 --> 01:30:51,125
places where you

2117
01:30:51,125 --> 01:30:52,666
can make progress

2118
01:30:52,666 --> 01:30:56,291
with the new

2119
01:30:56,291 --> 01:31:02,208
reality. And so,

2120
01:31:02,208 --> 01:31:06,375
you know, I think

2121
01:31:06,375 --> 01:31:07,541
that's a really good thing.

2122
01:31:22,083 --> 01:31:23,500
But the one

2123
01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:24,166
bigger thing that

2124
01:31:24,166 --> 01:31:24,791
I would say is

2125
01:31:24,791 --> 01:31:25,500
that even with

2126
01:31:25,500 --> 01:31:27,500
the success to to

2127
01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:28,041
a large extent

2128
01:31:28,041 --> 01:31:28,291
with the

2129
01:31:28,291 --> 01:31:28,583
legislation from a few years ago, the thing that still held up further deployment of clean
energy was permitting challenges. It takes way too long to make progress with the state.

2130
01:31:39,333 --> 01:31:40,875
And you have

2131
01:31:40,875 --> 01:31:41,708
local

2132
01:31:41,708 --> 01:31:43,083
communities, city

2133
01:31:43,083 --> 01:31:44,000
councils, town,

2134
01:31:44,208 --> 01:31:44,875
you know, county

2135
01:31:44,875 --> 01:31:45,333
commissions

2136
01:31:45,333 --> 01:31:47,083
voting to kill

2137
01:31:47,083 --> 01:31:47,750
these projects

2138
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:48,500
because they have

2139
01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:49,541
3 people show up

2140
01:31:49,541 --> 01:31:50,250
with oil and gas

2141
01:31:50,250 --> 01:31:50,583
talking points about why solar array is bad.

2142
01:31:51,625 --> 01:31:55,083
And so there

2143
01:31:55,083 --> 01:31:56,041
needs to be more

2144
01:31:56,041 --> 01:31:58,291
engagement at a

2145
01:31:58,291 --> 01:31:59,375
local level from

2146
01:31:59,375 --> 01:32:01,041
from people who

2147
01:32:01,041 --> 01:32:02,000
just regular

2148
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:02,708
people in these

2149
01:32:02,708 --> 01:32:03,625
communities who

2150
01:32:03,625 --> 01:32:04,541
support these

2151
01:32:04,541 --> 01:32:05,250
projects because

2152
01:32:05,250 --> 01:32:05,750
they understand

2153
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:06,541
the benefits and

2154
01:32:06,541 --> 01:32:07,125
not just falling

2155
01:32:07,125 --> 01:32:08,125
prey to the

2156
01:32:08,125 --> 01:32:08,583
talking points from the oil and gas industry.

2157
01:32:08,625 --> 01:32:12,750
But there's an

2158
01:32:12,750 --> 01:32:13,666
effort in the federal

2159
01:32:13,666 --> 01:32:14,791
government to do

2160
01:32:14,791 --> 01:32:15,500
some sort of

2161
01:32:15,500 --> 01:32:16,416
permitting reform

2162
01:32:16,416 --> 01:32:18,250
that can make

2163
01:32:18,250 --> 01:32:18,583
things a little

2164
01:32:18,583 --> 01:32:18,833
bit more

2165
01:32:18,833 --> 01:32:19,583
efficient. It's

2166
01:32:19,583 --> 01:32:21,083
not, you know, it

2167
01:32:21,083 --> 01:32:21,625
still protects

2168
01:32:21,625 --> 01:32:22,250
the environment

2169
01:32:22,250 --> 01:32:24,166
but understands

2170
01:32:24,166 --> 01:32:25,000
that there's, you

2171
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:25,791
know, who's going

2172
01:32:25,791 --> 01:32:26,500
to invest in a

2173
01:32:26,500 --> 01:32:27,041
project that

2174
01:32:27,041 --> 01:32:27,583
takes 17 years to actually get it from start to finish.

2175
01:32:27,625 --> 01:32:31,833
It's just no one

2176
01:32:31,833 --> 01:32:32,958
can see no one

2177
01:32:32,958 --> 01:32:33,541
can think that's

2178
01:32:33,541 --> 01:32:35,000
a good idea. And

2179
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:36,500
so that's the

2180
01:32:36,500 --> 01:32:37,458
last it's kind of

2181
01:32:37,458 --> 01:32:38,000
like the last

2182
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:38,666
mile challenge

2183
01:32:38,666 --> 01:32:39,916
once you have we

2184
01:32:39,916 --> 01:32:40,416
did have good.

2185
01:32:40,625 --> 01:32:41,833
It's still in

2186
01:32:41,833 --> 01:32:42,625
place. So I won't

2187
01:32:42,625 --> 01:32:43,541
say it's gone

2188
01:32:43,541 --> 01:32:44,166
yet, but we have

2189
01:32:44,166 --> 01:32:44,375
good

2190
01:32:44,375 --> 01:32:45,250
policy in place.

2191
01:32:46,083 --> 01:32:47,000
And the last step

2192
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:47,500
there is to

2193
01:32:47,500 --> 01:32:48,000
actually get it

2194
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:48,583
deployed and up and running and we need that we need it to be in service.

2195
01:32:48,625 --> 01:32:53,416
Let me ask you

2196
01:32:53,416 --> 01:32:54,500
this because you

2197
01:32:54,500 --> 01:32:55,333
we talk a lot

2198
01:32:55,333 --> 01:32:55,750
about times

2199
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:56,583
regulation gets

2200
01:32:56,583 --> 01:32:57,208
in the way and

2201
01:32:57,208 --> 01:32:57,875
and you know

2202
01:32:57,875 --> 01:32:58,500
fossil fuel

2203
01:32:58,500 --> 01:32:59,041
industries will

2204
01:32:59,041 --> 01:32:59,458
talk about

2205
01:32:59,458 --> 01:32:59,833
regulation

2206
01:32:59,833 --> 01:33:00,333
getting in the

2207
01:33:00,333 --> 01:33:00,916
way and then

2208
01:33:00,916 --> 01:33:02,333
clean energy as

2209
01:33:02,333 --> 01:33:02,750
you mentioned

2210
01:33:02,750 --> 01:33:03,583
gets in the way

2211
01:33:03,583 --> 01:33:04,666
for it seems for

2212
01:33:04,666 --> 01:33:05,000
different

2213
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:05,500
reasons.

2214
01:33:05,500 --> 01:33:05,833
So can you

2215
01:33:05,833 --> 01:33:06,583
clarify this for

2216
01:33:06,583 --> 01:33:07,916
me? So in Canada

2217
01:33:07,916 --> 01:33:08,375
anyway, and

2218
01:33:08,375 --> 01:33:09,875
probably us, you

2219
01:33:09,875 --> 01:33:10,458
know, when fossil

2220
01:33:10,458 --> 01:33:11,041
fuels complain

2221
01:33:11,041 --> 01:33:12,250
about policy

2222
01:33:12,250 --> 01:33:12,708
getting in the

2223
01:33:12,708 --> 01:33:13,916
way. It's usually

2224
01:33:13,916 --> 01:33:14,333
environmental

2225
01:33:14,333 --> 01:33:15,500
policy, right?

2226
01:33:15,500 --> 01:33:16,291
It's usually have

2227
01:33:16,291 --> 01:33:16,583
to do with drilling in the ocean.

2228
01:33:16,625 --> 01:33:19,541
And the

2229
01:33:19,541 --> 01:33:19,958
regulations

2230
01:33:19,958 --> 01:33:21,416
around that, you

2231
01:33:21,416 --> 01:33:22,500
know, drilling on

2232
01:33:22,500 --> 01:33:23,333
land and the

2233
01:33:23,333 --> 01:33:24,000
regulations

2234
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:25,041
around that coal

2235
01:33:25,041 --> 01:33:26,375
burning and so

2236
01:33:26,375 --> 01:33:27,125
forth. And the

2237
01:33:27,125 --> 01:33:27,833
regulations on

2238
01:33:27,833 --> 01:33:29,916
that is the green

2239
01:33:29,916 --> 01:33:32,041
energy industry

2240
01:33:32,041 --> 01:33:33,625
finding that the

2241
01:33:33,625 --> 01:33:34,416
regulations are

2242
01:33:34,416 --> 01:33:35,000
the environmental

2243
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:35,583
regulations are also slowing those down.

2244
01:33:36,625 --> 01:33:39,375
Well, I think I

2245
01:33:39,375 --> 01:33:39,875
think the thing

2246
01:33:39,875 --> 01:33:40,375
that slows it

2247
01:33:40,375 --> 01:33:41,000
down is if you

2248
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:41,791
have to do four

2249
01:33:41,791 --> 01:33:42,208
different

2250
01:33:42,208 --> 01:33:42,625
environmental

2251
01:33:42,625 --> 01:33:43,541
reviews, it's

2252
01:33:43,541 --> 01:33:44,166
like, why can't

2253
01:33:44,166 --> 01:33:44,625
these different

2254
01:33:44,625 --> 01:33:45,375
layers of

2255
01:33:45,375 --> 01:33:45,875
government just

2256
01:33:45,875 --> 01:33:46,458
get on the same

2257
01:33:46,458 --> 01:33:47,583
page? Maybe you

2258
01:33:47,583 --> 01:33:48,583
do maybe do one

2259
01:33:48,583 --> 01:33:49,083
environmental

2260
01:33:49,083 --> 01:33:50,000
review. I don't

2261
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:50,500
know, make that

2262
01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:51,125
thorough.

2263
01:33:51,708 --> 01:33:52,541
Right, right.

2264
01:33:53,041 --> 01:33:53,375
You know, you

2265
01:33:53,375 --> 01:33:53,916
don't want to

2266
01:33:53,916 --> 01:33:55,083
disrupt sensitive

2267
01:33:55,083 --> 01:33:55,875
habitats. You

2268
01:33:55,875 --> 01:33:56,375
don't want it.

2269
01:33:56,375 --> 01:33:56,833
You know, you

2270
01:33:56,833 --> 01:33:57,958
need to be

2271
01:33:57,958 --> 01:33:58,708
mindful of these

2272
01:33:58,708 --> 01:33:59,875
things. But

2273
01:33:59,875 --> 01:34:01,583
again, doing it in a in a common sense way.

2274
01:34:02,625 --> 01:34:07,208
And, you know, it

2275
01:34:07,208 --> 01:34:07,958
just has to be

2276
01:34:07,958 --> 01:34:08,458
more efficient.

2277
01:34:08,750 --> 01:34:09,166
That's frankly,

2278
01:34:10,041 --> 01:34:10,500
yeah, comes down

2279
01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:11,666
comes down to you

2280
01:34:11,666 --> 01:34:12,250
don't need three

2281
01:34:12,250 --> 01:34:12,875
agencies doing

2282
01:34:12,875 --> 01:34:13,625
their own study.

2283
01:34:14,500 --> 01:34:14,875
And that's an

2284
01:34:14,875 --> 01:34:15,416
interesting thing

2285
01:34:15,416 --> 01:34:16,500
to guys it is it

2286
01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:17,583
three agencies of

2287
01:34:17,583 --> 01:34:18,500
the same level of

2288
01:34:18,500 --> 01:34:19,208
government or is

2289
01:34:19,208 --> 01:34:19,833
it three agencies

2290
01:34:19,833 --> 01:34:20,500
of different

2291
01:34:20,500 --> 01:34:20,958
levels of

2292
01:34:20,958 --> 01:34:21,375
government?

2293
01:34:21,375 --> 01:34:21,875
Because I assume

2294
01:34:21,875 --> 01:34:22,500
if it's different

2295
01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:22,958
levels of

2296
01:34:22,958 --> 01:34:24,000
government, maybe

2297
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:24,541
those were put

2298
01:34:24,541 --> 01:34:25,041
into place

2299
01:34:25,041 --> 01:34:25,958
because like one

2300
01:34:25,958 --> 01:34:27,583
level was a

2301
01:34:27,583 --> 01:34:28,250
different party

2302
01:34:28,250 --> 01:34:28,916
and then another

2303
01:34:28,916 --> 01:34:29,583
level was a different party and they were worried that

2304
01:34:29,625 --> 01:34:32,208
they were going to contradict

2305
01:34:32,208 --> 01:34:33,041
each other or

2306
01:34:33,041 --> 01:34:33,458
that it was

2307
01:34:33,458 --> 01:34:33,750
better to

2308
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:34,208
contradict each

2309
01:34:34,208 --> 01:34:34,666
other because one

2310
01:34:34,666 --> 01:34:35,583
had more power of

2311
01:34:35,583 --> 01:34:36,291
a certain area.

2312
01:34:36,791 --> 01:34:37,125
You know how they

2313
01:34:37,125 --> 01:34:37,833
play those types

2314
01:34:37,833 --> 01:34:39,125
of games? Yeah,

2315
01:34:39,125 --> 01:34:39,625
well, sometimes

2316
01:34:39,625 --> 01:34:40,833
it's multiple at

2317
01:34:40,833 --> 01:34:41,500
the federal level

2318
01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:42,041
and sometimes

2319
01:34:42,041 --> 01:34:44,041
it's it's it's

2320
01:34:44,041 --> 01:34:44,500
multiple the

2321
01:34:44,500 --> 01:34:45,416
federal level and

2322
01:34:45,416 --> 01:34:47,000
at the state or

2323
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:47,916
yeah, probably

2324
01:34:47,916 --> 01:34:48,541
the state level

2325
01:34:48,541 --> 01:34:50,041
but so it can be

2326
01:34:50,041 --> 01:34:50,791
all of those or

2327
01:34:50,791 --> 01:34:51,416
any of those.

2328
01:34:51,416 --> 01:34:52,583
Yeah, yeah, it's

2329
01:34:52,583 --> 01:34:53,083
funny too because

2330
01:34:53,083 --> 01:34:54,083
like one example

2331
01:34:54,083 --> 01:34:54,833
from Canada that

2332
01:34:54,833 --> 01:34:55,416
comes to mind

2333
01:34:55,416 --> 01:34:56,916
there was in the

2334
01:34:56,916 --> 01:34:57,541
Georgia Strait

2335
01:34:57,541 --> 01:34:57,916
there was

2336
01:34:57,916 --> 01:34:58,458
supposed to be a

2337
01:34:58,458 --> 01:34:58,625
marine protected area that was supposed
to be a marine protected area.

2338
01:34:59,625 --> 01:34:59,708
And so it was supposed
to be

2339
01:34:59,708 --> 01:35:01,000
designated but it

2340
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:01,708
got held up for

2341
01:35:01,708 --> 01:35:03,791
years because two

2342
01:35:03,791 --> 01:35:04,916
departments of

2343
01:35:04,916 --> 01:35:05,250
the federal

2344
01:35:05,250 --> 01:35:05,958
government could

2345
01:35:05,958 --> 01:35:07,125
not agree on who

2346
01:35:07,125 --> 01:35:08,166
owns the rights

2347
01:35:08,166 --> 01:35:10,500
to the the the

2348
01:35:10,500 --> 01:35:12,000
sediment of at

2349
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:12,625
the bottom of the

2350
01:35:12,625 --> 01:35:13,333
ocean and the

2351
01:35:13,333 --> 01:35:14,416
water column. So

2352
01:35:14,416 --> 01:35:15,166
they didn't agree

2353
01:35:15,166 --> 01:35:17,000
on it and but

2354
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:17,375
they were the

2355
01:35:17,375 --> 01:35:18,166
same, you know,

2356
01:35:18,333 --> 01:35:18,708
government was

2357
01:35:18,708 --> 01:35:19,333
the same party

2358
01:35:19,333 --> 01:35:19,916
just two

2359
01:35:19,916 --> 01:35:20,125
different

2360
01:35:20,125 --> 01:35:20,625
departments

2361
01:35:20,625 --> 01:35:21,750
couldn't agree on

2362
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:22,333
the same thing

2363
01:35:22,333 --> 01:35:22,791
putting in a

2364
01:35:22,791 --> 01:35:23,250
marine protected

2365
01:35:23,250 --> 01:35:24,000
area because one

2366
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,416
owned that one

2367
01:35:25,416 --> 01:35:25,958
was responsible

2368
01:35:25,958 --> 01:35:26,666
for the sediment

2369
01:35:26,666 --> 01:35:27,541
in the bottom and

2370
01:35:27,541 --> 01:35:28,000
the other one was

2371
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:28,500
responsible for

2372
01:35:28,500 --> 01:35:28,625
the the.

2373
01:35:29,875 --> 01:35:30,541
The water column

2374
01:35:30,541 --> 01:35:31,250
and I'm sure one

2375
01:35:31,250 --> 01:35:32,000
was like, oh, no,

2376
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:32,541
we want to drill

2377
01:35:32,541 --> 01:35:33,000
is natural

2378
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:33,583
resource Canada

2379
01:35:33,583 --> 01:35:34,666
and it's it. So

2380
01:35:34,666 --> 01:35:35,208
this happens a

2381
01:35:35,208 --> 01:35:36,166
lot, you know, I

2382
01:35:36,166 --> 01:35:36,875
think it's and

2383
01:35:36,875 --> 01:35:37,375
you're right. I

2384
01:35:37,375 --> 01:35:38,083
think it from a

2385
01:35:38,083 --> 01:35:38,625
common sense

2386
01:35:38,625 --> 01:35:39,083
point of view

2387
01:35:39,083 --> 01:35:39,583
should just be

2388
01:35:39,583 --> 01:35:40,333
one environmental

2389
01:35:40,333 --> 01:35:40,750
impact

2390
01:35:40,750 --> 01:35:41,250
assessment,

2391
01:35:41,583 --> 01:35:42,333
whatever they

2392
01:35:42,333 --> 01:35:43,375
want to call it,

2393
01:35:43,375 --> 01:35:44,083
make it super

2394
01:35:44,083 --> 01:35:45,458
thorough, cover

2395
01:35:45,458 --> 01:35:46,750
all basis and

2396
01:35:46,750 --> 01:35:47,291
that's what it

2397
01:35:47,291 --> 01:35:47,916
should be and

2398
01:35:47,916 --> 01:35:48,708
never be able to

2399
01:35:48,708 --> 01:35:49,750
take it out. You

2400
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:50,375
know what I mean?

2401
01:35:50,375 --> 01:35:50,750
I never be able

2402
01:35:50,750 --> 01:35:51,208
to remove

2403
01:35:51,208 --> 01:35:51,583
it, right?

2404
01:35:51,625 --> 01:35:52,791
One of the

2405
01:35:52,791 --> 01:35:53,458
important things

2406
01:35:53,458 --> 01:35:53,875
and the

2407
01:35:53,875 --> 01:35:54,750
discussions there

2408
01:35:54,750 --> 01:35:55,625
was almost a deal

2409
01:35:55,625 --> 01:35:56,291
on permitting

2410
01:35:56,291 --> 01:35:57,250
reform at the end

2411
01:35:57,250 --> 01:35:57,750
of the last

2412
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:58,500
Congress. So back

2413
01:35:58,500 --> 01:36:00,250
in December and

2414
01:36:00,250 --> 01:36:01,125
they couldn't

2415
01:36:01,125 --> 01:36:01,583
quite get the

2416
01:36:01,583 --> 01:36:02,125
final language

2417
01:36:02,125 --> 01:36:02,750
right in time.

2418
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:04,083
But one of the

2419
01:36:04,083 --> 01:36:04,583
important things

2420
01:36:04,583 --> 01:36:05,375
to include that

2421
01:36:05,375 --> 01:36:06,166
include in

2422
01:36:06,166 --> 01:36:06,791
permitting reform

2423
01:36:06,791 --> 01:36:07,375
is transmission.

2424
01:36:08,333 --> 01:36:08,833
And, you know, we

2425
01:36:08,833 --> 01:36:09,166
could have all

2426
01:36:09,166 --> 01:36:09,791
these projects

2427
01:36:09,791 --> 01:36:10,708
built even I

2428
01:36:10,708 --> 01:36:11,208
should say the

2429
01:36:11,208 --> 01:36:11,958
last I said the

2430
01:36:11,958 --> 01:36:12,541
last mile was

2431
01:36:12,541 --> 01:36:13,000
getting the bill

2432
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:13,541
last miles

2433
01:36:13,541 --> 01:36:14,000
actually getting

2434
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:14,833
them hooked up to

2435
01:36:14,833 --> 01:36:15,958
the grid. Right?

2436
01:36:15,958 --> 01:36:16,625
You can't. Okay.

2437
01:36:17,250 --> 01:36:17,666
If you're stuck

2438
01:36:17,666 --> 01:36:18,791
in the in the

2439
01:36:18,791 --> 01:36:20,416
queue for years.

2440
01:36:20,625 --> 01:36:21,458
And it's

2441
01:36:21,458 --> 01:36:21,833
something like

2442
01:36:21,833 --> 01:36:23,041
90% of projects

2443
01:36:23,041 --> 01:36:23,583
stuck in the

2444
01:36:23,583 --> 01:36:24,041
queue or clean

2445
01:36:24,041 --> 01:36:24,958
energy projects.

2446
01:36:25,708 --> 01:36:26,583
If you can't do

2447
01:36:26,583 --> 01:36:27,416
that, then

2448
01:36:27,416 --> 01:36:28,416
they're just

2449
01:36:28,416 --> 01:36:29,041
sitting there and

2450
01:36:29,041 --> 01:36:29,416
they're not

2451
01:36:29,416 --> 01:36:30,041
they're not

2452
01:36:30,041 --> 01:36:31,333
putting electrons

2453
01:36:31,333 --> 01:36:32,000
on the grid and

2454
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:32,541
we need all those

2455
01:36:32,541 --> 01:36:33,208
electrons on the

2456
01:36:33,208 --> 01:36:33,833
grid and

2457
01:36:33,833 --> 01:36:34,750
especially the

2458
01:36:34,750 --> 01:36:35,291
clean ones.

2459
01:36:35,958 --> 01:36:38,500
Yeah. So if there

2460
01:36:38,500 --> 01:36:40,000
is a way to get a

2461
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:40,583
bipartisan

2462
01:36:40,583 --> 01:36:41,500
permitting reform

2463
01:36:41,500 --> 01:36:43,000
bill that has the

2464
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:43,375
transmission

2465
01:36:43,375 --> 01:36:44,208
piece and I think

2466
01:36:44,208 --> 01:36:44,666
there could be a

2467
01:36:44,666 --> 01:36:45,125
lot of support

2468
01:36:45,125 --> 01:36:45,666
for that in

2469
01:36:45,666 --> 01:36:46,958
Congress and that

2470
01:36:46,958 --> 01:36:47,291
the president

2471
01:36:47,291 --> 01:36:47,958
would probably

2472
01:36:47,958 --> 01:36:48,666
sign something

2473
01:36:48,666 --> 01:36:49,583
with that nature.

2474
01:36:50,208 --> 01:36:51,333
Yeah. Now, you

2475
01:36:51,333 --> 01:36:51,750
know, we talked a

2476
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:52,166
lot about and

2477
01:36:52,166 --> 01:36:52,666
we're focusing a

2478
01:36:52,666 --> 01:36:53,500
lot about federal

2479
01:36:53,500 --> 01:36:54,625
policy right now,

2480
01:36:54,625 --> 01:36:55,958
but some of the

2481
01:36:55,958 --> 01:36:57,000
some of the

2482
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,041
strategies now is

2483
01:36:58,041 --> 01:36:58,583
a lot of

2484
01:36:58,583 --> 01:36:59,541
environmental and

2485
01:36:59,541 --> 01:36:59,916
advocacy

2486
01:36:59,916 --> 01:37:00,916
organizations are

2487
01:37:00,916 --> 01:37:01,708
looking at state

2488
01:37:01,708 --> 01:37:03,083
level, especially

2489
01:37:03,083 --> 01:37:03,708
states who are

2490
01:37:03,708 --> 01:37:04,291
looking to

2491
01:37:04,291 --> 01:37:04,583
improve their environment, who are looking to improve their environment.

2492
01:37:04,625 --> 01:37:05,500
Who are looking

2493
01:37:05,500 --> 01:37:06,458
to shore up their

2494
01:37:06,458 --> 01:37:07,125
protections and

2495
01:37:07,125 --> 01:37:08,291
regulations on

2496
01:37:08,291 --> 01:37:09,000
environment. Now,

2497
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:09,625
one example that

2498
01:37:09,625 --> 01:37:10,000
I've heard that

2499
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:10,791
was recently that

2500
01:37:10,791 --> 01:37:11,083
was really

2501
01:37:11,083 --> 01:37:12,208
interesting is

2502
01:37:12,208 --> 01:37:13,208
the green energy

2503
01:37:13,208 --> 01:37:14,291
industry is

2504
01:37:14,291 --> 01:37:15,708
booming in a

2505
01:37:15,708 --> 01:37:16,208
Republican

2506
01:37:16,208 --> 01:37:17,291
dominated Texas

2507
01:37:17,291 --> 01:37:19,500
and they a lot of

2508
01:37:19,500 --> 01:37:20,125
them had moved

2509
01:37:20,125 --> 01:37:21,250
from California

2510
01:37:21,250 --> 01:37:21,958
because of

2511
01:37:21,958 --> 01:37:23,625
regulations into

2512
01:37:23,625 --> 01:37:25,000
Texas because

2513
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:25,458
there were less

2514
01:37:25,458 --> 01:37:26,250
that regulations

2515
01:37:26,250 --> 01:37:27,625
to the chagrin of

2516
01:37:27,625 --> 01:37:28,375
some Republicans

2517
01:37:28,375 --> 01:37:28,958
apparently

2518
01:37:28,958 --> 01:37:29,750
because they're

2519
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:30,208
like, wait, hold

2520
01:37:30,208 --> 01:37:30,583
on a second.

2521
01:37:30,625 --> 01:37:31,291
The green energy

2522
01:37:31,291 --> 01:37:31,916
is coming in. We

2523
01:37:31,916 --> 01:37:32,375
got to put in

2524
01:37:32,375 --> 01:37:33,125
more regulations,

2525
01:37:33,125 --> 01:37:33,625
but they kind of

2526
01:37:33,625 --> 01:37:34,083
did it to

2527
01:37:34,083 --> 01:37:34,458
themselves

2528
01:37:34,458 --> 01:37:35,500
because they

2529
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:36,333
wanted energy,

2530
01:37:36,791 --> 01:37:37,625
less energy

2531
01:37:37,625 --> 01:37:38,500
regulations. And

2532
01:37:38,500 --> 01:37:39,041
now there's a

2533
01:37:39,041 --> 01:37:39,833
booming industry

2534
01:37:39,833 --> 01:37:40,791
in clean energy.

2535
01:37:41,625 --> 01:37:42,250
Are there ways

2536
01:37:42,250 --> 01:37:44,000
that the clean

2537
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:44,625
energy industry

2538
01:37:44,625 --> 01:37:45,750
is looking at

2539
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:47,291
these types of

2540
01:37:47,291 --> 01:37:48,125
states that have

2541
01:37:48,125 --> 01:37:49,083
less policy to

2542
01:37:49,083 --> 01:37:49,875
implement green

2543
01:37:49,875 --> 01:37:50,583
energy at the state level?

2544
01:37:50,625 --> 01:37:52,208
Well, when you

2545
01:37:52,208 --> 01:37:52,833
look at, you

2546
01:37:52,833 --> 01:37:53,125
know, it's funny

2547
01:37:53,125 --> 01:37:53,500
you mentioned

2548
01:37:53,500 --> 01:37:54,541
Texas. They were

2549
01:37:54,541 --> 01:37:55,291
they were

2550
01:37:55,291 --> 01:37:56,375
debating,

2551
01:37:56,375 --> 01:37:57,333
considering some

2552
01:37:57,333 --> 01:37:58,041
really bad

2553
01:37:58,041 --> 01:37:59,208
legislation that

2554
01:37:59,208 --> 01:37:59,791
would have I

2555
01:37:59,791 --> 01:38:00,375
think one of them

2556
01:38:00,375 --> 01:38:00,625
would have

2557
01:38:00,625 --> 01:38:03,125
required that I

2558
01:38:03,125 --> 01:38:03,708
think it was 50

2559
01:38:03,708 --> 01:38:04,208
percent of new

2560
01:38:04,208 --> 01:38:05,291
generation had to

2561
01:38:05,291 --> 01:38:06,583
be dispatchable.

2562
01:38:06,625 --> 01:38:08,250
So basically had

2563
01:38:08,250 --> 01:38:09,083
to be natural gas

2564
01:38:09,083 --> 01:38:10,083
or they forced

2565
01:38:10,083 --> 01:38:10,833
renewable energy

2566
01:38:10,833 --> 01:38:11,458
projects to pay

2567
01:38:11,458 --> 01:38:12,458
fees to the gas

2568
01:38:12,458 --> 01:38:13,166
company. So

2569
01:38:13,166 --> 01:38:14,416
thankfully that

2570
01:38:14,416 --> 01:38:14,791
didn't go

2571
01:38:14,791 --> 01:38:16,000
through. But, you

2572
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,166
know, Texas kind

2573
01:38:18,166 --> 01:38:18,708
of does its own

2574
01:38:18,708 --> 01:38:19,541
thing and every

2575
01:38:19,541 --> 01:38:20,958
sense of every

2576
01:38:20,958 --> 01:38:22,125
sense and

2577
01:38:22,125 --> 01:38:22,666
certainly their

2578
01:38:22,666 --> 01:38:23,208
other own

2579
01:38:23,208 --> 01:38:24,333
grid or right.

2580
01:38:24,625 --> 01:38:27,208
And and but wind

2581
01:38:27,208 --> 01:38:28,250
is thriving their

2582
01:38:28,250 --> 01:38:29,708
solar. It's like

2583
01:38:29,708 --> 01:38:30,500
a lot of deals

2584
01:38:30,500 --> 01:38:31,125
with landowners

2585
01:38:31,125 --> 01:38:32,750
that benefit from

2586
01:38:32,750 --> 01:38:33,250
from those

2587
01:38:33,250 --> 01:38:34,958
projects and they

2588
01:38:34,958 --> 01:38:35,750
have some of the

2589
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:40,166
largest some of

2590
01:38:40,166 --> 01:38:40,916
the most supply

2591
01:38:40,916 --> 01:38:41,750
of energy of

2592
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:42,416
clean energy in

2593
01:38:42,416 --> 01:38:42,791
the country.

2594
01:38:43,625 --> 01:38:46,041
And so they're

2595
01:38:46,041 --> 01:38:46,458
not a surprise

2596
01:38:46,458 --> 01:38:47,333
given the

2597
01:38:47,333 --> 01:38:47,958
political makeup,

2598
01:38:47,958 --> 01:38:51,083
but but yeah,

2599
01:38:51,083 --> 01:38:52,041
they're they're

2600
01:38:52,041 --> 01:38:52,375
they're

2601
01:38:52,375 --> 01:38:52,500
Republican.

2602
01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:52,708
There's a lot of

2603
01:38:52,708 --> 01:38:53,333
Republican states

2604
01:38:53,333 --> 01:38:54,208
that actually do

2605
01:38:54,208 --> 01:38:56,458
enjoy wind energy

2606
01:38:56,458 --> 01:38:57,833
and it's a

2607
01:38:57,833 --> 01:38:58,541
critical part of

2608
01:38:58,541 --> 01:38:59,500
their their

2609
01:38:59,500 --> 01:39:00,916
energy sources.

2610
01:39:01,208 --> 01:39:01,750
Energy makeup

2611
01:39:01,750 --> 01:39:02,916
like looking at a

2612
01:39:02,916 --> 01:39:03,833
state like Iowa,

2613
01:39:04,375 --> 01:39:04,916
very Republican

2614
01:39:04,916 --> 01:39:06,083
state, North

2615
01:39:06,083 --> 01:39:06,791
Dakota, both

2616
01:39:06,791 --> 01:39:07,500
Dakotas.

2617
01:39:09,666 --> 01:39:10,791
There's some sort

2618
01:39:10,791 --> 01:39:11,541
of chasm between

2619
01:39:11,541 --> 01:39:12,000
onshore and

2620
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:12,708
offshore wind,

2621
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:19,083
but it's like I

2622
01:39:19,083 --> 01:39:19,875
lost my train of

2623
01:39:19,875 --> 01:39:20,500
thought here. No

2624
01:39:20,500 --> 01:39:21,333
worries. No

2625
01:39:21,333 --> 01:39:21,541
worries.

2626
01:39:22,625 --> 01:39:23,916
Well, it's

2627
01:39:23,916 --> 01:39:24,250
interesting,

2628
01:39:24,250 --> 01:39:24,458
though, you

2629
01:39:24,458 --> 01:39:24,666
mentioned

2630
01:39:24,666 --> 01:39:25,500
because, you

2631
01:39:25,500 --> 01:39:26,750
know, even within

2632
01:39:26,750 --> 01:39:28,750
like ocean and

2633
01:39:28,750 --> 01:39:30,000
land when like

2634
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:30,791
like I can drive

2635
01:39:30,791 --> 01:39:31,500
along the states

2636
01:39:31,500 --> 01:39:32,333
and I've driven

2637
01:39:32,333 --> 01:39:33,208
in many of the

2638
01:39:33,208 --> 01:39:34,458
states and I see

2639
01:39:34,458 --> 01:39:35,375
like on like

2640
01:39:35,375 --> 01:39:35,583
onshore wind.

2641
01:39:35,625 --> 01:39:36,958
I see on land

2642
01:39:36,958 --> 01:39:37,458
that you see the

2643
01:39:37,458 --> 01:39:38,125
big windmills. We

2644
01:39:38,125 --> 01:39:39,500
see it here in in

2645
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:40,083
Ontario because

2646
01:39:40,083 --> 01:39:40,708
we have like a

2647
01:39:40,708 --> 01:39:41,916
big wind area,

2648
01:39:41,916 --> 01:39:42,416
you know,

2649
01:39:42,416 --> 01:39:42,833
migratory birds

2650
01:39:42,833 --> 01:39:43,958
and so forth.

2651
01:39:45,791 --> 01:39:46,500
But offshore wind

2652
01:39:46,500 --> 01:39:47,125
seems to get a

2653
01:39:47,125 --> 01:39:47,708
lot of flak.

2654
01:39:48,125 --> 01:39:48,833
Like, you know,

2655
01:39:48,958 --> 01:39:51,500
from some some

2656
01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:52,000
environmental

2657
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,000
concerns in terms

2658
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,000
of of seabirds

2659
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,125
and what the what

2660
01:39:57,125 --> 01:39:57,750
the environmental

2661
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:59,125
ramifications are

2662
01:39:59,125 --> 01:39:59,791
going to be of

2663
01:39:59,791 --> 01:40:00,541
having an actual

2664
01:40:00,541 --> 01:40:01,625
like physical

2665
01:40:01,625 --> 01:40:03,541
body in there in

2666
01:40:03,541 --> 01:40:04,583
on the seabed.

2667
01:40:04,625 --> 01:40:06,416
But not as much,

2668
01:40:06,416 --> 01:40:07,000
you know, as as

2669
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:07,958
like oil and gas

2670
01:40:07,958 --> 01:40:08,583
and so forth

2671
01:40:08,583 --> 01:40:09,291
because of spills

2672
01:40:09,291 --> 01:40:10,500
and and and the

2673
01:40:10,500 --> 01:40:12,791
damage. But the

2674
01:40:12,791 --> 01:40:13,291
Republicans

2675
01:40:13,291 --> 01:40:14,458
lately have been

2676
01:40:14,458 --> 01:40:15,291
been like, yeah,

2677
01:40:15,500 --> 01:40:16,041
offshore wind is

2678
01:40:16,041 --> 01:40:16,625
no good.

2679
01:40:16,625 --> 01:40:17,208
Like, even before

2680
01:40:17,208 --> 01:40:18,500
Trump got in, a

2681
01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:18,750
lot of the

2682
01:40:18,750 --> 01:40:19,333
Republicans were

2683
01:40:19,333 --> 01:40:19,958
like, no, we need

2684
01:40:19,958 --> 01:40:20,500
to get this.

2685
01:40:20,500 --> 01:40:20,958
Like, we're

2686
01:40:20,958 --> 01:40:21,750
concerned about

2687
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:22,625
the whales all of

2688
01:40:22,625 --> 01:40:23,083
a sudden. They're

2689
01:40:23,083 --> 01:40:23,875
concerned about

2690
01:40:23,875 --> 01:40:24,583
the whales and so forth.

2691
01:40:24,625 --> 01:40:26,291
Yet they're, you

2692
01:40:26,291 --> 01:40:26,833
know, obviously

2693
01:40:26,833 --> 01:40:27,833
the hypocrisy is

2694
01:40:27,833 --> 01:40:28,291
crazy, but

2695
01:40:28,291 --> 01:40:28,958
they're they're

2696
01:40:28,958 --> 01:40:29,208
obviously

2697
01:40:29,208 --> 01:40:29,791
concerned about

2698
01:40:29,791 --> 01:40:30,458
the whales all of

2699
01:40:30,458 --> 01:40:31,041
a sudden. And

2700
01:40:31,041 --> 01:40:33,708
that is crazy to

2701
01:40:33,708 --> 01:40:34,500
me to have like

2702
01:40:34,500 --> 01:40:35,541
that dichotomy

2703
01:40:35,541 --> 01:40:36,833
between land and

2704
01:40:36,833 --> 01:40:37,708
and offshore.

2705
01:40:38,958 --> 01:40:39,291
Where is that

2706
01:40:39,291 --> 01:40:40,250
coming from? Why

2707
01:40:40,250 --> 01:40:40,916
is it so

2708
01:40:40,916 --> 01:40:42,125
worrisome to have

2709
01:40:42,125 --> 01:40:43,125
offshore wind for

2710
01:40:43,125 --> 01:40:43,583
a lot of people?

2711
01:40:43,625 --> 01:40:46,083
You know, I I

2712
01:40:46,083 --> 01:40:47,208
hate to simplify

2713
01:40:47,208 --> 01:40:48,041
it this much, but

2714
01:40:48,041 --> 01:40:48,541
I think it

2715
01:40:48,541 --> 01:40:49,083
unfortunately

2716
01:40:49,083 --> 01:40:49,958
comes down to the

2717
01:40:49,958 --> 01:40:51,708
fact that the

2718
01:40:51,708 --> 01:40:52,333
president just

2719
01:40:52,333 --> 01:40:53,291
does not like

2720
01:40:53,291 --> 01:40:55,250
wind. And I think

2721
01:40:55,250 --> 01:40:55,750
the source of

2722
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:56,208
that might have

2723
01:40:56,208 --> 01:40:56,791
something to do

2724
01:40:56,791 --> 01:40:59,041
with, you know, a

2725
01:40:59,041 --> 01:41:00,000
project in and

2726
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:00,375
might even off

2727
01:41:00,375 --> 01:41:00,750
the coast of

2728
01:41:00,750 --> 01:41:01,833
Scotland that he

2729
01:41:01,833 --> 01:41:02,250
was building.

2730
01:41:02,958 --> 01:41:04,083
Oh, right. And

2731
01:41:04,083 --> 01:41:06,250
there is some

2732
01:41:06,250 --> 01:41:06,708
controversy

2733
01:41:06,708 --> 01:41:08,083
around maybe some

2734
01:41:08,083 --> 01:41:09,500
some wind. One of

2735
01:41:09,500 --> 01:41:10,333
his golf courses.

2736
01:41:10,333 --> 01:41:11,583
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2737
01:41:11,625 --> 01:41:12,458
One of his

2738
01:41:12,458 --> 01:41:13,208
resource he was

2739
01:41:13,208 --> 01:41:13,875
he was building

2740
01:41:13,875 --> 01:41:16,625
or I'm not up to

2741
01:41:16,625 --> 01:41:17,125
date on all the

2742
01:41:17,125 --> 01:41:17,833
details, but

2743
01:41:17,833 --> 01:41:18,791
that's been cited

2744
01:41:18,791 --> 01:41:19,375
as maybe the

2745
01:41:19,375 --> 01:41:20,750
origin of his his

2746
01:41:20,750 --> 01:41:21,833
hatred for wind.

2747
01:41:22,166 --> 01:41:22,958
And then he goes

2748
01:41:22,958 --> 01:41:23,416
on to say things

2749
01:41:23,416 --> 01:41:24,250
like it causes

2750
01:41:24,250 --> 01:41:25,166
cancer and all

2751
01:41:25,166 --> 01:41:25,458
these

2752
01:41:25,458 --> 01:41:27,166
absurd claims.

2753
01:41:27,583 --> 01:41:29,041
So, you know,

2754
01:41:29,041 --> 01:41:29,541
there are some

2755
01:41:29,541 --> 01:41:30,541
Republicans in

2756
01:41:30,541 --> 01:41:31,333
the, you know, in

2757
01:41:31,333 --> 01:41:32,833
Congress that are

2758
01:41:32,833 --> 01:41:33,458
supportive of

2759
01:41:33,458 --> 01:41:34,500
wind, but it's a

2760
01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:35,625
challenging. I

2761
01:41:35,625 --> 01:41:36,458
mean, the

2762
01:41:36,458 --> 01:41:37,875
toughest place to

2763
01:41:37,875 --> 01:41:38,416
be right now is

2764
01:41:38,416 --> 01:41:38,958
in the offshore

2765
01:41:38,958 --> 01:41:40,166
wind industry in

2766
01:41:40,166 --> 01:41:40,250
the

2767
01:41:40,250 --> 01:41:40,583
United States.

2768
01:41:40,625 --> 01:41:41,833
It's just very

2769
01:41:41,833 --> 01:41:44,500
difficult to see

2770
01:41:44,500 --> 01:41:46,083
a path forward in

2771
01:41:46,083 --> 01:41:46,500
the next few

2772
01:41:46,500 --> 01:41:49,666
years. So I feel

2773
01:41:49,666 --> 01:41:51,416
for folks dealing

2774
01:41:51,416 --> 01:41:51,791
with that

2775
01:41:51,791 --> 01:41:52,416
challenge at this

2776
01:41:52,416 --> 01:41:52,750
point, because

2777
01:41:52,750 --> 01:41:53,291
it's not even

2778
01:41:53,291 --> 01:41:55,958
based on logic or

2779
01:41:55,958 --> 01:41:57,041
sound policy

2780
01:41:57,041 --> 01:41:57,583
considerations.

2781
01:41:57,958 --> 01:41:58,416
It's just based

2782
01:41:58,416 --> 01:41:59,916
on the

2783
01:41:59,916 --> 01:42:00,416
president's

2784
01:42:00,416 --> 01:42:01,041
personal dislike

2785
01:42:01,041 --> 01:42:03,083
for for

2786
01:42:03,083 --> 01:42:03,583
windbills.

2787
01:42:04,458 --> 01:42:05,583
So it's it's it's

2788
01:42:05,583 --> 01:42:06,625
I'm not sure how

2789
01:42:06,625 --> 01:42:07,833
you can move him

2790
01:42:07,833 --> 01:42:08,208
from that

2791
01:42:08,208 --> 01:42:09,375
position. Right.

2792
01:42:10,833 --> 01:42:11,500
All these things

2793
01:42:11,500 --> 01:42:12,166
are happening.

2794
01:42:13,125 --> 01:42:13,625
You know, the the

2795
01:42:13,625 --> 01:42:14,416
changing of the

2796
01:42:14,416 --> 01:42:14,958
guard, so to

2797
01:42:14,958 --> 01:42:15,625
speak, in terms

2798
01:42:15,625 --> 01:42:16,666
of Republican and

2799
01:42:16,666 --> 01:42:17,125
Democrat

2800
01:42:17,125 --> 01:42:17,708
presidential

2801
01:42:17,708 --> 01:42:18,833
races. And now

2802
01:42:18,833 --> 01:42:19,583
that we have a

2803
01:42:19,583 --> 01:42:20,125
Republican

2804
01:42:20,125 --> 01:42:21,083
dominated house,

2805
01:42:22,791 --> 01:42:23,291
you know, and,

2806
01:42:23,375 --> 01:42:24,125
you know, from

2807
01:42:24,125 --> 01:42:25,250
2016 to 2020 as

2808
01:42:25,250 --> 01:42:25,916
Republicans and

2809
01:42:25,916 --> 01:42:26,708
Democrats, then

2810
01:42:26,708 --> 01:42:27,416
the Republicans

2811
01:42:27,416 --> 01:42:29,000
again, it slows

2812
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:30,083
down the movement

2813
01:42:30,083 --> 01:42:30,833
of clean energy

2814
01:42:30,833 --> 01:42:31,333
development.

2815
01:42:32,625 --> 01:42:33,791
What are the

2816
01:42:33,791 --> 01:42:34,500
consequences of

2817
01:42:34,500 --> 01:42:34,875
that for the

2818
01:42:34,875 --> 01:42:36,375
future? You know,

2819
01:42:36,375 --> 01:42:37,000
like we're

2820
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:37,291
looking at

2821
01:42:37,291 --> 01:42:37,791
another four

2822
01:42:37,791 --> 01:42:39,000
years of slowing

2823
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:39,583
down, even

2824
01:42:39,583 --> 01:42:40,708
halting projects.

2825
01:42:42,208 --> 01:42:43,625
Like how how

2826
01:42:43,625 --> 01:42:44,583
worrisome is

2827
01:42:44,583 --> 01:42:45,041
this? Like how

2828
01:42:45,041 --> 01:42:45,791
worry should be

2829
01:42:45,791 --> 01:42:46,500
like should the

2830
01:42:46,500 --> 01:42:47,583
American citizens

2831
01:42:47,583 --> 01:42:49,500
be about, you

2832
01:42:49,500 --> 01:42:49,791
know, this

2833
01:42:49,791 --> 01:42:50,583
slowdown? Like I

2834
01:42:50,583 --> 01:42:51,750
feel it's there's

2835
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:52,166
always going to

2836
01:42:52,166 --> 01:42:52,958
be a push and

2837
01:42:52,958 --> 01:42:54,000
green energy is

2838
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:54,500
going in

2839
01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:55,083
renewable energy

2840
01:42:55,083 --> 01:42:55,958
is going to build

2841
01:42:55,958 --> 01:42:56,583
no matter what.

2842
01:42:57,625 --> 01:42:57,916
This is just

2843
01:42:57,916 --> 01:42:58,625
going to slow it

2844
01:42:58,625 --> 01:42:58,875
down a little

2845
01:42:58,875 --> 01:42:59,541
bit. But what are

2846
01:42:59,541 --> 01:43:00,250
the consequences

2847
01:43:00,250 --> 01:43:01,041
and what should

2848
01:43:01,041 --> 01:43:01,625
should Americans

2849
01:43:01,625 --> 01:43:02,000
be

2850
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:03,333
concerned about?

2851
01:43:04,833 --> 01:43:05,625
Well, businesses

2852
01:43:05,625 --> 01:43:06,958
and project

2853
01:43:06,958 --> 01:43:09,708
funders think not

2854
01:43:09,708 --> 01:43:10,416
in terms of a

2855
01:43:10,416 --> 01:43:10,833
four year

2856
01:43:10,833 --> 01:43:11,791
political cycle,

2857
01:43:11,791 --> 01:43:12,458
but in a much

2858
01:43:12,458 --> 01:43:13,375
longer business

2859
01:43:13,375 --> 01:43:14,958
cycle. And

2860
01:43:14,958 --> 01:43:15,916
they're going to

2861
01:43:15,916 --> 01:43:17,125
build where they

2862
01:43:17,125 --> 01:43:17,458
can have

2863
01:43:17,458 --> 01:43:18,416
favorable policy

2864
01:43:18,416 --> 01:43:18,875
and more

2865
01:43:18,875 --> 01:43:19,208
certainty.

2866
01:43:19,916 --> 01:43:20,916
And the swinging

2867
01:43:20,916 --> 01:43:22,666
back and forth is

2868
01:43:22,666 --> 01:43:25,000
politically is

2869
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:25,625
very challenging

2870
01:43:25,625 --> 01:43:26,583
to count on

2871
01:43:26,583 --> 01:43:27,916
anything. And,

2872
01:43:27,916 --> 01:43:29,291
you know, I agree

2873
01:43:29,291 --> 01:43:30,125
with you. The

2874
01:43:30,125 --> 01:43:31,541
development with

2875
01:43:31,541 --> 01:43:32,208
clean energy is

2876
01:43:32,208 --> 01:43:32,541
going to

2877
01:43:32,541 --> 01:43:33,708
continue. Maybe

2878
01:43:33,708 --> 01:43:35,000
not as quickly as

2879
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:35,541
we would like it

2880
01:43:35,541 --> 01:43:36,333
to because of

2881
01:43:36,333 --> 01:43:36,916
some of the

2882
01:43:36,916 --> 01:43:37,208
political

2883
01:43:37,208 --> 01:43:37,583
setbacks.

2884
01:43:37,625 --> 01:43:39,000
But if it's not

2885
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:39,333
the United

2886
01:43:39,333 --> 01:43:40,000
States, they're

2887
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:40,750
going to go to

2888
01:43:40,750 --> 01:43:42,166
these these folks

2889
01:43:42,166 --> 01:43:43,000
are smart and

2890
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:43,500
they're capable

2891
01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:44,000
and they don't

2892
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:44,708
want to sit back.

2893
01:43:44,708 --> 01:43:45,458
There's a real

2894
01:43:45,458 --> 01:43:46,791
urgency with with

2895
01:43:46,791 --> 01:43:47,416
them. And so

2896
01:43:47,416 --> 01:43:47,708
they're going to

2897
01:43:47,708 --> 01:43:47,958
go to other

2898
01:43:47,958 --> 01:43:48,291
countries.

2899
01:43:48,291 --> 01:43:48,916
They're going to

2900
01:43:48,916 --> 01:43:49,125
go to

2901
01:43:49,125 --> 01:43:49,916
maybe Canada.

2902
01:43:49,916 --> 01:43:50,500
They're going to

2903
01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:51,583
go to places in

2904
01:43:51,583 --> 01:43:52,125
Europe. They're

2905
01:43:52,125 --> 01:43:52,500
going to go to

2906
01:43:52,500 --> 01:43:53,333
places in Asia,

2907
01:43:53,333 --> 01:43:54,083
other places

2908
01:43:54,083 --> 01:43:54,791
around the world.

2909
01:43:55,208 --> 01:43:55,708
They're going to

2910
01:43:55,708 --> 01:43:56,708
let them build

2911
01:43:56,708 --> 01:43:57,958
and give them

2912
01:43:57,958 --> 01:43:59,458
give them the

2913
01:43:59,458 --> 01:43:59,583
room to grow.

2914
01:44:00,625 --> 01:44:02,416
And it would be

2915
01:44:02,416 --> 01:44:02,625
really

2916
01:44:02,625 --> 01:44:03,541
unfortunate that

2917
01:44:03,541 --> 01:44:04,625
innovation that

2918
01:44:04,625 --> 01:44:05,500
historically has

2919
01:44:05,500 --> 01:44:06,000
happened to the

2920
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:07,000
United States,

2921
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:08,500
you know, left

2922
01:44:08,500 --> 01:44:09,958
left our shores

2923
01:44:09,958 --> 01:44:10,833
and went

2924
01:44:10,833 --> 01:44:11,583
elsewhere because

2925
01:44:11,583 --> 01:44:12,541
it will put the

2926
01:44:12,541 --> 01:44:13,000
United States at

2927
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:13,583
a disadvantage.

2928
01:44:13,833 --> 01:44:14,958
Again, it doesn't

2929
01:44:14,958 --> 01:44:16,500
it doesn't fit

2930
01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:18,000
with what the

2931
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:18,708
president says is

2932
01:44:18,708 --> 01:44:20,000
his goal is to be

2933
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:20,583
winning all these.

2934
01:44:20,625 --> 01:44:22,416
I mentioned the

2935
01:44:22,416 --> 01:44:23,625
AI race, but it's

2936
01:44:23,625 --> 01:44:25,416
to be winning all

2937
01:44:25,416 --> 01:44:25,916
in all these

2938
01:44:25,916 --> 01:44:26,708
industries. You

2939
01:44:26,708 --> 01:44:27,416
don't want to

2940
01:44:27,416 --> 01:44:29,291
seed ground to

2941
01:44:29,291 --> 01:44:30,333
China, to other

2942
01:44:30,333 --> 01:44:32,000
countries. You

2943
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:32,416
want to be

2944
01:44:32,416 --> 01:44:33,125
building that

2945
01:44:33,125 --> 01:44:34,125
industry here.

2946
01:44:34,125 --> 01:44:36,250
And so it's hard

2947
01:44:36,250 --> 01:44:37,708
to square those

2948
01:44:37,708 --> 01:44:38,708
those two things.

2949
01:44:39,416 --> 01:44:40,125
Yeah, it's

2950
01:44:40,125 --> 01:44:40,375
definitely

2951
01:44:40,375 --> 01:44:41,333
interesting.

2952
01:44:41,625 --> 01:44:43,208
You mentioned

2953
01:44:43,208 --> 01:44:44,583
earlier about,

2954
01:44:44,583 --> 01:44:45,416
you know,

2955
01:44:46,958 --> 01:44:47,750
informing and

2956
01:44:47,750 --> 01:44:48,208
getting more

2957
01:44:48,208 --> 01:44:49,333
people locally to

2958
01:44:49,333 --> 01:44:50,500
speak up for

2959
01:44:50,500 --> 01:44:52,208
renewable energy

2960
01:44:52,208 --> 01:44:53,250
in their areas,

2961
01:44:53,250 --> 01:44:53,833
whether that's at

2962
01:44:53,833 --> 01:44:54,666
the state level,

2963
01:44:54,666 --> 01:44:55,125
whether that's at

2964
01:44:55,125 --> 01:44:55,916
the county level

2965
01:44:55,916 --> 01:44:56,583
or even at the local level.

2966
01:44:56,625 --> 01:44:59,250
From you, like,

2967
01:44:59,250 --> 01:45:00,416
you know, a comms

2968
01:45:00,416 --> 01:45:01,458
guy, you know,

2969
01:45:01,458 --> 01:45:02,250
having a comms

2970
01:45:02,250 --> 01:45:04,083
firm is the

2971
01:45:04,083 --> 01:45:04,875
messaging now

2972
01:45:04,875 --> 01:45:06,208
targeted at the

2973
01:45:06,208 --> 01:45:07,208
general public in

2974
01:45:07,208 --> 01:45:08,250
specific areas

2975
01:45:08,250 --> 01:45:08,791
where there's

2976
01:45:08,791 --> 01:45:09,958
opportunities to

2977
01:45:09,958 --> 01:45:12,000
shift the mindset

2978
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,375
of the of local

2979
01:45:13,375 --> 01:45:14,000
government or

2980
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:14,333
county

2981
01:45:14,333 --> 01:45:15,291
governments or

2982
01:45:15,291 --> 01:45:16,541
state governments

2983
01:45:16,541 --> 01:45:17,541
to say, hey,

2984
01:45:17,541 --> 01:45:18,250
look, you know,

2985
01:45:18,416 --> 01:45:18,583
people actually want this.

2986
01:45:18,625 --> 01:45:20,083
And so it's more

2987
01:45:20,083 --> 01:45:21,916
of renewable

2988
01:45:21,916 --> 01:45:23,250
energy literacy,

2989
01:45:23,666 --> 01:45:24,375
as we would do in

2990
01:45:24,375 --> 01:45:25,208
ocean literacy is

2991
01:45:25,208 --> 01:45:25,750
like build up

2992
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:26,125
that ocean

2993
01:45:26,125 --> 01:45:26,708
literacy so

2994
01:45:26,708 --> 01:45:27,541
people understand

2995
01:45:27,541 --> 01:45:29,000
what's possible

2996
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:29,500
and how their

2997
01:45:29,500 --> 01:45:30,000
communities can

2998
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:30,416
be helped.

2999
01:45:31,291 --> 01:45:31,875
I think that's

3000
01:45:31,875 --> 01:45:32,500
right, Andrew. I

3001
01:45:32,500 --> 01:45:33,250
think there's

3002
01:45:33,250 --> 01:45:33,625
there's some

3003
01:45:33,625 --> 01:45:34,666
great people out

3004
01:45:34,666 --> 01:45:35,708
there doing work

3005
01:45:35,708 --> 01:45:36,250
that's very

3006
01:45:36,250 --> 01:45:36,875
focused on this

3007
01:45:36,875 --> 01:45:37,750
very challenge.

3008
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:38,166
And there's one

3009
01:45:38,166 --> 01:45:39,041
group I'll

3010
01:45:39,041 --> 01:45:41,416
mention called

3011
01:45:41,416 --> 01:45:41,833
Green Light

3012
01:45:41,833 --> 01:45:42,625
America, which

3013
01:45:42,625 --> 01:45:43,791
has like this

3014
01:45:43,791 --> 01:45:45,791
alert system so

3015
01:45:45,791 --> 01:45:46,416
they can see

3016
01:45:46,416 --> 01:45:47,375
whenever there's

3017
01:45:47,375 --> 01:45:47,583
a project on the docket,

3018
01:45:47,625 --> 01:45:49,125
being considered

3019
01:45:49,125 --> 01:45:49,708
by a local

3020
01:45:49,708 --> 01:45:50,625
government and

3021
01:45:50,625 --> 01:45:51,208
then they can get

3022
01:45:51,208 --> 01:45:51,625
into that

3023
01:45:51,625 --> 01:45:52,500
community, talk

3024
01:45:52,500 --> 01:45:53,500
to and they have

3025
01:45:53,500 --> 01:45:54,291
organizers that

3026
01:45:54,291 --> 01:45:54,875
can talk to

3027
01:45:54,875 --> 01:45:55,500
people who live

3028
01:45:55,500 --> 01:45:57,000
there because the

3029
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:58,041
people, the local

3030
01:45:58,041 --> 01:45:58,583
elected officials

3031
01:45:58,583 --> 01:45:59,208
don't care about

3032
01:45:59,208 --> 01:45:59,750
people coming from

3033
01:45:59,750 --> 01:46:00,833
Washington, D.C.

3034
01:46:01,041 --> 01:46:01,541
They care about

3035
01:46:01,541 --> 01:46:02,625
people in their

3036
01:46:02,625 --> 01:46:03,583
community and

3037
01:46:03,583 --> 01:46:04,500
speaking in favor

3038
01:46:04,500 --> 01:46:05,333
of these projects

3039
01:46:05,333 --> 01:46:06,291
and it's kind of

3040
01:46:06,291 --> 01:46:06,750
starting to

3041
01:46:06,750 --> 01:46:07,166
trying to get

3042
01:46:07,166 --> 01:46:08,000
over this this

3043
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,041
nimbyism problem

3044
01:46:09,041 --> 01:46:10,083
that people don't

3045
01:46:10,083 --> 01:46:10,541
want things

3046
01:46:10,541 --> 01:46:11,291
built, even if

3047
01:46:11,291 --> 01:46:12,291
they in theory

3048
01:46:12,291 --> 01:46:13,000
agree with it

3049
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:13,583
would agree with the idea.

3050
01:46:13,708 --> 01:46:18,000
And so, you know,

3051
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:18,625
and getting that

3052
01:46:18,625 --> 01:46:19,500
messaging right,

3053
01:46:19,833 --> 01:46:20,291
talking about all

3054
01:46:20,291 --> 01:46:21,625
the benefits and

3055
01:46:21,625 --> 01:46:23,583
not just letting

3056
01:46:23,583 --> 01:46:24,791
the oil and gas

3057
01:46:24,791 --> 01:46:25,500
talking points

3058
01:46:25,500 --> 01:46:26,125
win the day

3059
01:46:26,125 --> 01:46:27,541
because if one

3060
01:46:27,541 --> 01:46:28,666
one person shows

3061
01:46:28,666 --> 01:46:29,333
up saying they

3062
01:46:29,333 --> 01:46:29,666
don't like the

3063
01:46:29,666 --> 01:46:31,166
project and we're

3064
01:46:31,166 --> 01:46:32,125
losing by forfeit

3065
01:46:32,125 --> 01:46:33,083
because no one

3066
01:46:33,083 --> 01:46:33,583
else shows up from our side.

3067
01:46:33,625 --> 01:46:36,000
You know, if

3068
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:36,500
you're a local

3069
01:46:36,500 --> 01:46:37,333
elected official,

3070
01:46:37,333 --> 01:46:37,583
you're going to

3071
01:46:37,583 --> 01:46:38,000
listen to the

3072
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:38,500
person who came

3073
01:46:38,500 --> 01:46:39,458
and showed up and

3074
01:46:39,458 --> 01:46:40,291
there has to be a

3075
01:46:40,291 --> 01:46:41,000
counter to that

3076
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:41,583
and hopefully

3077
01:46:41,583 --> 01:46:42,791
more than just a

3078
01:46:42,791 --> 01:46:44,041
counter but an

3079
01:46:44,041 --> 01:46:44,500
overwhelming

3080
01:46:44,500 --> 01:46:45,291
sense that we

3081
01:46:45,291 --> 01:46:45,958
want this.

3082
01:46:46,250 --> 01:46:48,125
And that's the

3083
01:46:48,125 --> 01:46:48,875
challenge that we

3084
01:46:48,875 --> 01:46:49,500
have to solve for

3085
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:50,583
right now. And

3086
01:46:50,583 --> 01:46:51,000
one of the

3087
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:51,750
challenge, one of

3088
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:52,458
the challenges,

3089
01:46:52,458 --> 01:46:52,916
there's a lot of

3090
01:46:52,916 --> 01:46:53,208
challenges.

3091
01:46:53,625 --> 01:46:55,416
Well, and how do

3092
01:46:55,416 --> 01:46:55,958
you motivate

3093
01:46:55,958 --> 01:46:56,666
people to change

3094
01:46:56,666 --> 01:46:57,458
that behavior?

3095
01:46:57,458 --> 01:46:57,541
Because, you

3096
01:46:57,541 --> 01:46:58,250
know, you get

3097
01:46:58,250 --> 01:46:58,666
people in your

3098
01:46:58,666 --> 01:46:59,208
local communities

3099
01:46:59,208 --> 01:47:00,166
who will complain

3100
01:47:00,166 --> 01:47:01,291
about whatever,

3101
01:47:01,291 --> 01:47:02,041
right? And even

3102
01:47:02,041 --> 01:47:02,875
say like, yeah,

3103
01:47:02,875 --> 01:47:03,291
I'd love to see

3104
01:47:03,291 --> 01:47:03,708
when you know my

3105
01:47:03,708 --> 01:47:04,208
energy, but it's

3106
01:47:04,208 --> 01:47:04,458
not going

3107
01:47:04,458 --> 01:47:04,916
to happen.

3108
01:47:05,333 --> 01:47:05,666
You know, there's

3109
01:47:05,666 --> 01:47:06,166
too many things

3110
01:47:06,166 --> 01:47:06,875
going about it.

3111
01:47:07,250 --> 01:47:07,625
How do you

3112
01:47:07,625 --> 01:47:08,416
motivate people

3113
01:47:08,416 --> 01:47:08,916
to change

3114
01:47:08,916 --> 01:47:09,333
behavior, which

3115
01:47:09,333 --> 01:47:10,166
is so hard, like

3116
01:47:10,166 --> 01:47:10,666
from what I

3117
01:47:10,666 --> 01:47:11,250
learned is to

3118
01:47:11,250 --> 01:47:12,083
change people's

3119
01:47:12,083 --> 01:47:12,791
behavior around a

3120
01:47:12,791 --> 01:47:13,458
specific topic.

3121
01:47:13,625 --> 01:47:14,833
But in this case,

3122
01:47:14,833 --> 01:47:15,500
to motivate them

3123
01:47:15,500 --> 01:47:16,333
to go to a

3124
01:47:16,333 --> 01:47:17,000
meeting or go to

3125
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:18,041
a public meeting

3126
01:47:18,041 --> 01:47:18,791
to say, Hey,

3127
01:47:18,791 --> 01:47:19,625
look, I want

3128
01:47:19,625 --> 01:47:21,000
this. We should

3129
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:21,708
be considering

3130
01:47:21,708 --> 01:47:22,875
this and talking

3131
01:47:22,875 --> 01:47:24,125
to their local

3132
01:47:24,125 --> 01:47:25,666
officials. How do

3133
01:47:25,666 --> 01:47:26,333
you motivate that

3134
01:47:26,333 --> 01:47:27,000
from a comms

3135
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:27,375
perspective?

3136
01:47:28,375 --> 01:47:28,875
Well, I'd say

3137
01:47:28,875 --> 01:47:29,250
generally

3138
01:47:29,250 --> 01:47:30,083
speaking, the

3139
01:47:30,083 --> 01:47:32,041
biggest, the most

3140
01:47:32,041 --> 01:47:32,791
effective way to

3141
01:47:32,791 --> 01:47:33,416
motivate people

3142
01:47:33,416 --> 01:47:34,000
is if they feel

3143
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:34,416
like they have

3144
01:47:34,416 --> 01:47:34,916
something to

3145
01:47:34,916 --> 01:47:36,250
lose. And that's

3146
01:47:36,250 --> 01:47:36,708
not always

3147
01:47:36,708 --> 01:47:37,208
applicable

3148
01:47:37,208 --> 01:47:38,458
here. Right.

3149
01:47:38,625 --> 01:47:39,625
But you do have

3150
01:47:39,625 --> 01:47:40,208
to put it into

3151
01:47:40,208 --> 01:47:40,875
terms that

3152
01:47:40,875 --> 01:47:41,750
matter. It's not

3153
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:42,583
big, bigger

3154
01:47:42,583 --> 01:47:43,541
picture, helping

3155
01:47:43,541 --> 01:47:44,458
climate change.

3156
01:47:44,458 --> 01:47:45,000
Some people will

3157
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:45,750
be motivated by

3158
01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:46,333
that, which is

3159
01:47:46,333 --> 01:47:48,000
great. But a lot

3160
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:48,833
of people need to

3161
01:47:48,833 --> 01:47:49,625
know, well, my,

3162
01:47:49,625 --> 01:47:50,541
you know, my

3163
01:47:50,541 --> 01:47:51,291
electric bill

3164
01:47:51,291 --> 01:47:52,500
could go down or,

3165
01:47:52,958 --> 01:47:54,041
you know, we're

3166
01:47:54,041 --> 01:47:54,416
going to have

3167
01:47:54,416 --> 01:47:55,250
cleaner air in

3168
01:47:55,250 --> 01:47:56,041
our community for

3169
01:47:56,041 --> 01:47:57,166
our kids and for

3170
01:47:57,166 --> 01:47:57,583
everybody.

3171
01:47:57,625 --> 01:48:01,166
Or, you know, if

3172
01:48:01,166 --> 01:48:01,625
we're shutting

3173
01:48:01,625 --> 01:48:02,375
down a coal

3174
01:48:02,375 --> 01:48:03,625
plants, that's,

3175
01:48:03,625 --> 01:48:04,125
that's, you know,

3176
01:48:04,125 --> 01:48:04,666
you can kind of

3177
01:48:04,666 --> 01:48:05,708
tell, yeah,

3178
01:48:05,708 --> 01:48:06,875
pretty tangible.

3179
01:48:07,625 --> 01:48:08,791
Yeah. So it is

3180
01:48:08,791 --> 01:48:09,250
finding those

3181
01:48:09,250 --> 01:48:10,208
tangible benefits

3182
01:48:10,208 --> 01:48:11,875
that if the

3183
01:48:11,875 --> 01:48:12,458
project doesn't

3184
01:48:12,458 --> 01:48:13,291
go through that

3185
01:48:13,291 --> 01:48:14,208
they're going to

3186
01:48:14,208 --> 01:48:14,916
miss out on.

3187
01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:16,166
Yeah, that's

3188
01:48:16,166 --> 01:48:16,833
really, really

3189
01:48:16,833 --> 01:48:18,000
interesting. What

3190
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:18,416
are some of the

3191
01:48:18,416 --> 01:48:18,625
other you

3192
01:48:18,625 --> 01:48:19,416
mentioned just

3193
01:48:19,416 --> 01:48:19,916
really quickly

3194
01:48:19,916 --> 01:48:20,583
that there are so

3195
01:48:20,583 --> 01:48:21,458
many challenges.

3196
01:48:22,083 --> 01:48:22,458
Can you talk

3197
01:48:22,458 --> 01:48:22,750
about like

3198
01:48:22,750 --> 01:48:23,541
another major

3199
01:48:23,541 --> 01:48:24,166
challenge that

3200
01:48:24,166 --> 01:48:25,000
people are that

3201
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:25,666
that we're seeing

3202
01:48:25,666 --> 01:48:26,625
with with trying to push people to a new level?

3203
01:48:28,041 --> 01:48:29,000
You know, green

3204
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:29,416
energy and

3205
01:48:29,416 --> 01:48:29,916
renewable energy

3206
01:48:29,916 --> 01:48:31,125
forward. You mean

3207
01:48:31,125 --> 01:48:31,875
I have I haven't

3208
01:48:31,875 --> 01:48:32,416
given you enough

3209
01:48:32,416 --> 01:48:33,333
challenges yet.

3210
01:48:33,333 --> 01:48:35,583
You should come

3211
01:48:35,583 --> 01:48:36,458
to Washington and

3212
01:48:36,458 --> 01:48:36,875
spend a few

3213
01:48:36,875 --> 01:48:37,625
days here.

3214
01:48:37,625 --> 01:48:40,791
There's lots of

3215
01:48:40,791 --> 01:48:41,583
challenges. No,

3216
01:48:41,583 --> 01:48:42,500
we've discussed a

3217
01:48:42,500 --> 01:48:42,958
lot of is there

3218
01:48:42,958 --> 01:48:43,541
anything that the

3219
01:48:43,541 --> 01:48:43,916
people should

3220
01:48:43,916 --> 01:48:44,416
know about that

3221
01:48:44,416 --> 01:48:45,250
they may not,

3222
01:48:45,250 --> 01:48:46,291
they may not be

3223
01:48:46,291 --> 01:48:46,583
aware of.

3224
01:48:46,625 --> 01:48:48,208
You know, there's

3225
01:48:48,208 --> 01:48:49,000
there's a lot of

3226
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:49,833
headlines and I

3227
01:48:49,833 --> 01:48:50,916
don't I imagine

3228
01:48:50,916 --> 01:48:51,583
you all were

3229
01:48:51,583 --> 01:48:53,166
seeing these two,

3230
01:48:53,166 --> 01:48:54,250
but the firing of

3231
01:48:54,250 --> 01:48:55,125
federal staffers.

3232
01:48:55,958 --> 01:48:56,958
Yeah, you know,

3233
01:48:56,958 --> 01:48:57,166
entire

3234
01:48:57,166 --> 01:48:57,916
departments and

3235
01:48:57,916 --> 01:48:58,666
agencies for

3236
01:48:58,666 --> 01:48:59,583
science out

3237
01:48:59,583 --> 01:49:00,083
the window.

3238
01:49:00,750 --> 01:49:01,166
We're not even

3239
01:49:01,166 --> 01:49:01,708
tracking

3240
01:49:01,708 --> 01:49:02,958
greenhouse gas

3241
01:49:02,958 --> 01:49:03,750
emissions in the

3242
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:04,416
same way. And if

3243
01:49:04,416 --> 01:49:05,541
you can't track

3244
01:49:05,541 --> 01:49:05,958
or measure

3245
01:49:05,958 --> 01:49:06,625
something, how

3246
01:49:06,625 --> 01:49:07,291
are you going to

3247
01:49:07,291 --> 01:49:08,166
adjust and do

3248
01:49:08,166 --> 01:49:08,458
things

3249
01:49:08,458 --> 01:49:08,791
differently?

3250
01:49:09,625 --> 01:49:10,375
You know, but

3251
01:49:10,375 --> 01:49:11,291
also some of the

3252
01:49:11,291 --> 01:49:13,500
areas that like

3253
01:49:13,500 --> 01:49:14,458
maybe a

3254
01:49:14,458 --> 01:49:15,041
permitting

3255
01:49:15,041 --> 01:49:15,750
reform, for

3256
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:17,000
example, you need

3257
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:17,583
federal

3258
01:49:17,583 --> 01:49:17,916
government

3259
01:49:17,916 --> 01:49:18,750
workers and some

3260
01:49:18,750 --> 01:49:19,000
of these agencies

3261
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:20,083
to actually do

3262
01:49:20,083 --> 01:49:20,833
that work.

3263
01:49:21,666 --> 01:49:22,666
And, you know, we

3264
01:49:22,666 --> 01:49:23,125
talk about

3265
01:49:23,125 --> 01:49:23,750
speeding things

3266
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:24,416
up. But if you

3267
01:49:24,416 --> 01:49:24,958
can't even get

3268
01:49:24,958 --> 01:49:25,666
the people to do

3269
01:49:25,666 --> 01:49:26,250
the environmental

3270
01:49:26,250 --> 01:49:27,083
review because

3271
01:49:27,083 --> 01:49:27,916
there's no staff,

3272
01:49:28,291 --> 01:49:28,666
it's going to

3273
01:49:28,666 --> 01:49:30,041
take longer. So

3274
01:49:30,041 --> 01:49:32,083
it just flies in

3275
01:49:32,083 --> 01:49:33,541
the face of the

3276
01:49:33,541 --> 01:49:34,541
stated goals of

3277
01:49:34,541 --> 01:49:34,833
this

3278
01:49:34,833 --> 01:49:35,375
administration.

3279
01:49:36,625 --> 01:49:40,166
So, yeah, those

3280
01:49:40,166 --> 01:49:40,708
are some other

3281
01:49:40,708 --> 01:49:42,416
challenges. I

3282
01:49:42,416 --> 01:49:43,083
think the biggest

3283
01:49:43,083 --> 01:49:43,875
and this is

3284
01:49:43,875 --> 01:49:44,583
coming back to

3285
01:49:44,583 --> 01:49:44,708
the

3286
01:49:44,708 --> 01:49:45,291
communications

3287
01:49:45,291 --> 01:49:46,375
world that I

3288
01:49:46,375 --> 01:49:47,208
think about quite

3289
01:49:47,208 --> 01:49:48,375
a bit. It's just

3290
01:49:48,375 --> 01:49:48,500
the

3291
01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:49,083
misinformation

3292
01:49:49,083 --> 01:49:50,958
and the eco, the

3293
01:49:50,958 --> 01:49:52,541
ecosystem for

3294
01:49:52,541 --> 01:49:53,791
opponents of what

3295
01:49:53,791 --> 01:49:54,625
we're of what we

3296
01:49:54,625 --> 01:49:56,583
do is a machine.

3297
01:49:56,625 --> 01:49:58,875
And it's very,

3298
01:49:58,875 --> 01:49:59,666
very hard to

3299
01:49:59,666 --> 01:50:00,333
compete and

3300
01:50:00,333 --> 01:50:01,791
counter that. And

3301
01:50:01,791 --> 01:50:02,583
so that's

3302
01:50:02,583 --> 01:50:03,416
something that I

3303
01:50:03,416 --> 01:50:04,250
mean, our team is

3304
01:50:04,250 --> 01:50:04,791
always trying to

3305
01:50:04,791 --> 01:50:05,458
think about how

3306
01:50:05,458 --> 01:50:06,833
do we how do we

3307
01:50:06,833 --> 01:50:07,916
push back against

3308
01:50:07,916 --> 01:50:08,625
that and make

3309
01:50:08,625 --> 01:50:09,250
sure to get the

3310
01:50:09,250 --> 01:50:10,583
facts out there?

3311
01:50:10,625 --> 01:50:12,041
And so, you know,

3312
01:50:12,041 --> 01:50:12,750
too much of what

3313
01:50:12,750 --> 01:50:13,458
is decided in

3314
01:50:13,458 --> 01:50:14,416
Washington these

3315
01:50:14,416 --> 01:50:15,541
days is not about

3316
01:50:15,541 --> 01:50:16,500
facts, but just

3317
01:50:16,500 --> 01:50:17,666
about pure

3318
01:50:17,666 --> 01:50:19,375
politics and

3319
01:50:19,375 --> 01:50:20,791
loyalty to one

3320
01:50:20,791 --> 01:50:23,750
person and the

3321
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:24,458
the, you know,

3322
01:50:24,458 --> 01:50:24,958
the robust

3323
01:50:24,958 --> 01:50:27,000
debates about the

3324
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:27,791
benefits and

3325
01:50:27,791 --> 01:50:29,875
shortcomings of

3326
01:50:29,875 --> 01:50:30,625
certain policies.

3327
01:50:30,625 --> 01:50:31,250
It just doesn't

3328
01:50:31,250 --> 01:50:32,500
really have the

3329
01:50:32,500 --> 01:50:33,208
same impact. It

3330
01:50:33,208 --> 01:50:33,458
doesn't really

3331
01:50:33,458 --> 01:50:34,125
happen to the

3332
01:50:34,125 --> 01:50:35,250
same extent.

3333
01:50:36,625 --> 01:50:38,125
For sure. I know

3334
01:50:38,125 --> 01:50:39,083
it's a tough time

3335
01:50:39,083 --> 01:50:39,750
for climate

3336
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:40,666
policy and

3337
01:50:40,666 --> 01:50:41,500
communications.

3338
01:50:42,625 --> 01:50:43,250
What is your

3339
01:50:43,250 --> 01:50:44,208
hopeful moment

3340
01:50:44,208 --> 01:50:45,500
that you have,

3341
01:50:46,041 --> 01:50:46,875
you know, in the

3342
01:50:46,875 --> 01:50:47,750
next little bit?

3343
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:48,500
Like, what what

3344
01:50:48,500 --> 01:50:49,541
do you hope for?

3345
01:50:49,541 --> 01:50:50,125
And what is your

3346
01:50:50,125 --> 01:50:50,791
sort of light at

3347
01:50:50,791 --> 01:50:51,208
the end of the

3348
01:50:51,208 --> 01:50:52,625
tunnel in this in

3349
01:50:52,625 --> 01:50:53,416
this dark time?

3350
01:50:54,333 --> 01:50:56,791
I think I

3351
01:50:56,791 --> 01:50:57,208
mentioned all

3352
01:50:57,208 --> 01:50:57,583
these challenges.

3353
01:50:57,625 --> 01:50:58,333
But when I think

3354
01:50:58,333 --> 01:50:59,000
of the the

3355
01:50:59,000 --> 01:50:59,625
climate tech

3356
01:50:59,625 --> 01:51:01,083
entrepreneurs who

3357
01:51:01,083 --> 01:51:02,875
they don't let a

3358
01:51:02,875 --> 01:51:03,375
challenge stop

3359
01:51:03,375 --> 01:51:04,375
them, like they

3360
01:51:04,375 --> 01:51:06,291
are they see a

3361
01:51:06,291 --> 01:51:06,750
challenge and

3362
01:51:06,750 --> 01:51:08,166
they're inspired

3363
01:51:08,166 --> 01:51:08,833
and excited,

3364
01:51:08,833 --> 01:51:09,458
trying to figure

3365
01:51:09,458 --> 01:51:09,875
out how to

3366
01:51:09,875 --> 01:51:10,458
overcome it.

3367
01:51:11,208 --> 01:51:11,916
And, you know, if

3368
01:51:11,916 --> 01:51:12,625
you look at all

3369
01:51:12,625 --> 01:51:13,500
these climate

3370
01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:14,083
tech companies,

3371
01:51:14,375 --> 01:51:15,041
the the ways

3372
01:51:15,041 --> 01:51:15,625
they're trying to

3373
01:51:15,625 --> 01:51:16,791
address climate

3374
01:51:16,791 --> 01:51:17,708
change, the

3375
01:51:17,708 --> 01:51:18,583
it ranges.

3376
01:51:18,625 --> 01:51:19,750
It's all over the

3377
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:20,291
map and there's

3378
01:51:20,291 --> 01:51:20,875
thousands of

3379
01:51:20,875 --> 01:51:21,750
them. And I think

3380
01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:22,666
I'm inspired by,

3381
01:51:22,958 --> 01:51:23,250
you know, some of

3382
01:51:23,250 --> 01:51:23,583
those are going

3383
01:51:23,583 --> 01:51:24,041
to end up being

3384
01:51:24,041 --> 01:51:24,833
real significant

3385
01:51:24,833 --> 01:51:25,958
players in this

3386
01:51:25,958 --> 01:51:26,875
in this ecosystem

3387
01:51:26,875 --> 01:51:27,958
over the

3388
01:51:27,958 --> 01:51:28,708
years to come.

3389
01:51:29,583 --> 01:51:31,000
And I just, you

3390
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:31,458
know, they're

3391
01:51:31,458 --> 01:51:31,916
going to continue

3392
01:51:31,916 --> 01:51:32,375
doing what

3393
01:51:32,375 --> 01:51:32,708
they're going to

3394
01:51:32,708 --> 01:51:33,500
do, regardless of

3395
01:51:33,500 --> 01:51:35,208
what politics in

3396
01:51:35,208 --> 01:51:35,666
D.C. is

3397
01:51:35,666 --> 01:51:36,583
dictating. Right.

3398
01:51:36,625 --> 01:51:38,500
And that, that to

3399
01:51:38,500 --> 01:51:39,000
me is where

3400
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:40,000
there's hope and,

3401
01:51:41,625 --> 01:51:42,625
you know, they if

3402
01:51:42,625 --> 01:51:43,208
they can overcome

3403
01:51:43,208 --> 01:51:43,958
this period and

3404
01:51:43,958 --> 01:51:44,500
then imagine when

3405
01:51:44,500 --> 01:51:45,000
there's actually

3406
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:45,416
favorable

3407
01:51:45,416 --> 01:51:46,250
policies in

3408
01:51:46,250 --> 01:51:47,083
place, how that

3409
01:51:47,083 --> 01:51:47,708
can help

3410
01:51:47,708 --> 01:51:48,666
supercharge even

3411
01:51:48,666 --> 01:51:48,958
further.

3412
01:51:49,541 --> 01:51:52,166
So it's OK. Make

3413
01:51:52,166 --> 01:51:52,791
as much progress

3414
01:51:52,791 --> 01:51:53,791
as we can in

3415
01:51:53,791 --> 01:51:54,416
these next three

3416
01:51:54,416 --> 01:51:55,041
and a half years.

3417
01:51:55,458 --> 01:51:56,416
Stop as much bad

3418
01:51:56,416 --> 01:51:57,541
stuff as we can

3419
01:51:57,541 --> 01:51:58,208
in this

3420
01:51:58,208 --> 01:51:58,583
time period.

3421
01:51:58,625 --> 01:51:59,916
Yeah. And then,

3422
01:51:59,916 --> 01:52:01,500
you know, try to,

3423
01:52:01,500 --> 01:52:03,125
you know, try to

3424
01:52:03,125 --> 01:52:03,916
be in a place

3425
01:52:03,916 --> 01:52:05,583
come 2029, which

3426
01:52:05,583 --> 01:52:06,500
feels so far from

3427
01:52:06,500 --> 01:52:09,500
now, being a

3428
01:52:09,500 --> 01:52:10,125
place where we

3429
01:52:10,125 --> 01:52:10,875
can actually go

3430
01:52:10,875 --> 01:52:12,000
on offense and

3431
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,500
make the progress

3432
01:52:13,500 --> 01:52:15,708
that I'd say most

3433
01:52:15,708 --> 01:52:16,083
people

3434
01:52:16,083 --> 01:52:17,041
agree with.

3435
01:52:17,041 --> 01:52:18,291
Yeah. No, I love

3436
01:52:18,291 --> 01:52:18,958
it. I love it. I

3437
01:52:18,958 --> 01:52:19,666
love to end the

3438
01:52:19,666 --> 01:52:20,041
interview on

3439
01:52:20,041 --> 01:52:20,750
this. Chris,

3440
01:52:20,750 --> 01:52:21,666
thank you so much

3441
01:52:21,666 --> 01:52:23,291
for that hopeful

3442
01:52:23,291 --> 01:52:24,166
moment and to

3443
01:52:24,166 --> 01:52:25,375
inform us all

3444
01:52:25,375 --> 01:52:25,833
about what's

3445
01:52:25,833 --> 01:52:26,458
happening in the

3446
01:52:26,458 --> 01:52:26,916
U.S. with

3447
01:52:26,916 --> 01:52:27,416
climate policy.

3448
01:52:27,625 --> 01:52:29,000
And we appreciate

3449
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:29,583
the work that you

3450
01:52:29,583 --> 01:52:30,750
do and all the

3451
01:52:30,750 --> 01:52:31,166
all of your

3452
01:52:31,166 --> 01:52:32,083
clients do to

3453
01:52:32,083 --> 01:52:33,000
kind of continue

3454
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:33,833
to push the

3455
01:52:33,833 --> 01:52:34,916
envelope in

3456
01:52:34,916 --> 01:52:35,541
making renewable

3457
01:52:35,541 --> 01:52:36,583
energy more

3458
01:52:36,583 --> 01:52:37,666
accessible, you

3459
01:52:37,666 --> 01:52:38,000
know, pushing

3460
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:39,000
policy to make

3461
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:39,833
less regulation

3462
01:52:39,833 --> 01:52:40,541
so we can get it

3463
01:52:40,541 --> 01:52:41,958
even further down

3464
01:52:41,958 --> 01:52:42,375
the road.

3465
01:52:42,833 --> 01:52:43,375
Really appreciate

3466
01:52:43,375 --> 01:52:44,083
that. Learning a

3467
01:52:44,083 --> 01:52:44,500
lot. Love to

3468
01:52:44,500 --> 01:52:45,125
invite you back

3469
01:52:45,125 --> 01:52:45,750
to talk more.

3470
01:52:46,083 --> 01:52:46,791
Hopefully, good,

3471
01:52:46,791 --> 01:52:47,416
more good news

3472
01:52:47,416 --> 01:52:48,541
later on as we as

3473
01:52:48,541 --> 01:52:49,291
we get closer to

3474
01:52:49,291 --> 01:52:50,500
2029. But I

3475
01:52:50,500 --> 01:52:50,750
definitely

3476
01:52:50,750 --> 01:52:51,250
appreciate all

3477
01:52:51,250 --> 01:52:51,625
the work you're

3478
01:52:51,625 --> 01:52:52,041
doing. Thank you

3479
01:52:52,041 --> 01:52:52,500
so much.

3480
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:53,375
Great to be on

3481
01:52:53,375 --> 01:52:54,333
with you, Andrew.

3482
01:52:54,333 --> 01:52:54,541
Enjoy the

3483
01:52:54,541 --> 01:52:54,958
conversation.

3484
01:52:55,333 --> 01:52:55,583
Appreciate it.

3485
01:52:55,625 --> 01:52:56,250
Thank you, Chris,

3486
01:52:56,250 --> 01:52:57,000
for joining us on

3487
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:57,583
today's episode

3488
01:52:57,583 --> 01:52:58,250
of the How to

3489
01:52:58,250 --> 01:52:58,750
Protect the Ocean

3490
01:52:58,750 --> 01:52:59,416
podcast. It was

3491
01:52:59,416 --> 01:53:00,083
great to be able

3492
01:53:00,083 --> 01:53:00,666
to talk about

3493
01:53:00,666 --> 01:53:01,791
U.S. policy, even

3494
01:53:01,791 --> 01:53:02,166
though it's a

3495
01:53:02,166 --> 01:53:03,000
grim time. It's a

3496
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:04,208
dark time in U.S.

3497
01:53:04,208 --> 01:53:04,958
climate policy,

3498
01:53:04,958 --> 01:53:05,625
but there's a

3499
01:53:05,625 --> 01:53:06,291
light at the end

3500
01:53:06,291 --> 01:53:06,791
of the tunnel.

3501
01:53:07,041 --> 01:53:07,416
And that's that

3502
01:53:07,416 --> 01:53:07,916
entrepreneurial

3503
01:53:07,916 --> 01:53:08,500
spirit.

3504
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:09,250
People want

3505
01:53:09,250 --> 01:53:10,833
renewable energy.

3506
01:53:11,208 --> 01:53:11,916
People have this

3507
01:53:11,916 --> 01:53:12,875
mission to bring

3508
01:53:12,875 --> 01:53:13,833
renewable energy,

3509
01:53:14,291 --> 01:53:14,791
not only to the

3510
01:53:14,791 --> 01:53:15,500
U.S., but to the

3511
01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:16,125
world. And it's

3512
01:53:16,125 --> 01:53:16,791
growing and

3513
01:53:16,791 --> 01:53:17,208
growing and

3514
01:53:17,208 --> 01:53:18,208
growing, even

3515
01:53:18,208 --> 01:53:18,833
though the fossil

3516
01:53:18,833 --> 01:53:19,333
fuel industry

3517
01:53:19,333 --> 01:53:19,875
doesn't want to

3518
01:53:19,875 --> 01:53:20,208
have that

3519
01:53:20,208 --> 01:53:20,666
competition.

3520
01:53:20,666 --> 01:53:21,875
They're not going

3521
01:53:21,875 --> 01:53:22,458
to be able to get

3522
01:53:22,458 --> 01:53:22,583
around it.

3523
01:53:22,625 --> 01:53:23,750
People want it.

3524
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:24,083
If you look

3525
01:53:24,083 --> 01:53:25,125
around your local

3526
01:53:25,125 --> 01:53:25,791
town, you look

3527
01:53:25,791 --> 01:53:26,708
around your city,

3528
01:53:26,708 --> 01:53:27,166
you look around

3529
01:53:27,166 --> 01:53:27,708
your state,

3530
01:53:28,041 --> 01:53:28,583
you're seeing

3531
01:53:28,583 --> 01:53:29,541
more changes

3532
01:53:29,541 --> 01:53:30,750
happen for

3533
01:53:30,750 --> 01:53:31,500
renewable energy

3534
01:53:31,500 --> 01:53:32,250
projects. You're

3535
01:53:32,250 --> 01:53:33,375
seeing more EVs.

3536
01:53:33,875 --> 01:53:34,291
You're seeing

3537
01:53:34,291 --> 01:53:35,458
more hydro

3538
01:53:35,458 --> 01:53:36,125
projects. You're

3539
01:53:36,125 --> 01:53:37,458
seeing more solar

3540
01:53:37,458 --> 01:53:38,166
projects. You're

3541
01:53:38,166 --> 01:53:39,208
seeing more wind

3542
01:53:39,208 --> 01:53:40,291
projects and even

3543
01:53:40,291 --> 01:53:41,458
tidal projects.

3544
01:53:41,458 --> 01:53:42,125
If you live along

3545
01:53:42,125 --> 01:53:42,750
the coastline,

3546
01:53:43,125 --> 01:53:43,708
there's a lot of

3547
01:53:43,708 --> 01:53:44,166
projects that are

3548
01:53:44,166 --> 01:53:45,291
going on. Not

3549
01:53:45,291 --> 01:53:45,583
fast enough.

3550
01:53:45,625 --> 01:53:47,083
And a lot of

3551
01:53:47,083 --> 01:53:47,791
times the holdup

3552
01:53:47,791 --> 01:53:48,583
has nothing to do

3553
01:53:48,583 --> 01:53:48,750
with

3554
01:53:48,750 --> 01:53:49,250
environmental

3555
01:53:49,250 --> 01:53:50,000
problems or

3556
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:50,750
regulations. It

3557
01:53:50,750 --> 01:53:51,291
has to do with

3558
01:53:51,291 --> 01:53:52,000
other regulations

3559
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:52,541
that are put in

3560
01:53:52,541 --> 01:53:53,208
place to slow

3561
01:53:53,208 --> 01:53:53,875
down green

3562
01:53:53,875 --> 01:53:54,333
energy,

3563
01:53:54,916 --> 01:53:55,625
especially even

3564
01:53:55,625 --> 01:53:56,125
if you're allowed

3565
01:53:56,125 --> 01:53:56,666
to do it and you

3566
01:53:56,666 --> 01:53:57,041
have these

3567
01:53:57,041 --> 01:53:57,833
Republicans or

3568
01:53:57,833 --> 01:53:58,208
you have these

3569
01:53:58,208 --> 01:53:59,041
conservatives who

3570
01:53:59,041 --> 01:53:59,541
are trying to

3571
01:53:59,541 --> 01:53:59,958
halt it for

3572
01:53:59,958 --> 01:54:00,583
some reason.

3573
01:54:00,625 --> 01:54:01,375
For example,

3574
01:54:01,750 --> 01:54:02,083
Donald Trump

3575
01:54:02,083 --> 01:54:03,208
calling an energy

3576
01:54:03,208 --> 01:54:04,166
emergency yet

3577
01:54:04,166 --> 01:54:05,166
canceling energy

3578
01:54:05,166 --> 01:54:05,791
projects that

3579
01:54:05,791 --> 01:54:06,125
renewable

3580
01:54:06,125 --> 01:54:06,750
projects that

3581
01:54:06,750 --> 01:54:07,375
will actually

3582
01:54:07,375 --> 01:54:08,416
increase energy

3583
01:54:08,416 --> 01:54:09,791
production in the

3584
01:54:09,791 --> 01:54:10,500
U.S. So there's a

3585
01:54:10,500 --> 01:54:11,458
lot of hypocrisy

3586
01:54:11,458 --> 01:54:12,666
around it, but it

3587
01:54:12,666 --> 01:54:13,041
doesn't get

3588
01:54:13,041 --> 01:54:14,291
handled unless

3589
01:54:14,291 --> 01:54:16,000
you fight for it,

3590
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:16,958
unless you talk

3591
01:54:16,958 --> 01:54:17,375
to your local

3592
01:54:17,375 --> 01:54:18,041
representatives,

3593
01:54:18,458 --> 01:54:19,375
unless you take

3594
01:54:19,375 --> 01:54:19,833
the talking

3595
01:54:19,833 --> 01:54:20,500
points and

3596
01:54:20,500 --> 01:54:21,166
understand the

3597
01:54:21,166 --> 01:54:21,708
talking points

3598
01:54:21,708 --> 01:54:22,208
that are coming

3599
01:54:22,208 --> 01:54:23,708
from places like

3600
01:54:23,708 --> 01:54:24,083
the ECHO

3601
01:54:24,083 --> 01:54:24,625
Communication

3602
01:54:24,625 --> 01:54:25,416
Advisors at Chris

3603
01:54:25,416 --> 01:54:26,708
owns and the

3604
01:54:26,708 --> 01:54:27,250
organizations

3605
01:54:27,250 --> 01:54:27,958
that are involved

3606
01:54:27,958 --> 01:54:28,375
in advocacy

3607
01:54:28,375 --> 01:54:28,916
groups that are

3608
01:54:28,916 --> 01:54:29,416
involved in

3609
01:54:29,416 --> 01:54:29,583
pushing climate policy.

3610
01:54:29,625 --> 01:54:31,750
So that we have a

3611
01:54:31,750 --> 01:54:33,625
more balanced and

3612
01:54:33,625 --> 01:54:34,625
more renewable

3613
01:54:34,625 --> 01:54:35,708
energy progress

3614
01:54:35,708 --> 01:54:37,041
in climate

3615
01:54:37,041 --> 01:54:37,666
policy. So

3616
01:54:37,666 --> 01:54:38,375
hopefully we'll

3617
01:54:38,375 --> 01:54:38,791
get to there

3618
01:54:38,791 --> 01:54:39,500
sometime soon,

3619
01:54:39,500 --> 01:54:40,416
but it comes with

3620
01:54:40,416 --> 01:54:41,166
you. You know,

3621
01:54:41,166 --> 01:54:42,083
you can listen to

3622
01:54:42,083 --> 01:54:42,708
these podcasts.

3623
01:54:42,708 --> 01:54:43,500
You can talk to

3624
01:54:43,500 --> 01:54:43,875
your local

3625
01:54:43,875 --> 01:54:44,208
government

3626
01:54:44,208 --> 01:54:45,500
officials and you

3627
01:54:45,500 --> 01:54:46,041
can join the

3628
01:54:46,041 --> 01:54:46,833
undertow at speak

3629
01:54:46,833 --> 01:54:47,541
up for blue.com

3630
01:54:47,541 --> 01:54:48,416
forward slash

3631
01:54:48,416 --> 01:54:49,000
join the

3632
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:49,791
undertow. I'm

3633
01:54:49,791 --> 01:54:50,291
going to share

3634
01:54:50,291 --> 01:54:51,416
the ways to

3635
01:54:51,416 --> 01:54:51,958
connect with

3636
01:54:51,958 --> 01:54:52,625
Chris and his

3637
01:54:52,625 --> 01:54:53,708
company and to

3638
01:54:53,708 --> 01:54:54,416
learn more about

3639
01:54:54,416 --> 01:54:54,625
climate policy in the U.S. If you look at the show notes, you'll
be able to find that. But don't forget to join the undertow.

3640
01:55:03,375 --> 01:55:03,875
I want to thank

3641
01:55:03,875 --> 01:55:04,583
you so much for

3642
01:55:04,583 --> 01:55:05,166
joining us on

3643
01:55:05,166 --> 01:55:05,750
today's episode

3644
01:55:05,750 --> 01:55:06,333
of the how to

3645
01:55:06,333 --> 01:55:06,708
protect the

3646
01:55:06,708 --> 01:55:07,541
podcast. I'm your

3647
01:55:07,541 --> 01:55:08,125
host, Andrew

3648
01:55:08,125 --> 01:55:09,000
Lewin from the

3649
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:09,625
true North strong

3650
01:55:09,625 --> 01:55:10,333
and free. Have a

3651
01:55:10,333 --> 01:55:10,833
great day. We'll

3652
01:55:10,833 --> 01:55:11,333
talk to you next

3653
01:55:11,333 --> 01:55:12,333
time. And happy

3654
01:55:12,333 --> 01:55:12,625
conservation.