Ocean Networks Canada: What It’s Really Like to Work in the Deep Sea

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Welcome back to another episode of the

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How to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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I'm your host Andrew Lewin and today

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we're diving into

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what's really like to work in

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the ocean as part of our monthly series

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called Surfacing Secrets.

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Explore the ocean, know the planet.

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Have you ever wondered what it takes to

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explore the deep sea?

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I operate cutting edge underwater

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technology or spend your

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days surrounded by one of the

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most planet's mysterious environments.

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In this episode, I'm joined by Meg

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Paulson and Dirk Lorsau

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from Oceans Network, Canada

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and Josh Tenereco from Canpack who share

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their first-hand

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experiences working in the

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field.

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We talk about everything from excitement

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of deploying ROVs

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thousands of meters below

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the surface to the challenges of working

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under intense pressure,

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both literal and figurative.

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If you ever dreamed of a career in marine

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exploration engineering

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or you want to understand

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what life is like for those protecting

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and studying our oceans,

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this is the episode for

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you.

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Let's start the show.

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And then on the flip side, there's days

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where you're like, I

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can't believe I'm getting

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paid to do this right now.

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This is absolutely incredible.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to another

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exciting episode of the How

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to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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I'm your host Andrew Lewin and this is

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the podcast where you

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find out what's happening

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with the ocean, how you can speak up for

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the ocean and what you

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can do to live for a better

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ocean by taking action.

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On today's episode, we are going to be

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talking about the deep sea.

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We're going to be talking about the work

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done by people and

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partners of Ocean Networks Canada

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and we're going to be going beyond the

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surface to talk about

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what it really means to work

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in the ocean, especially in the

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mysterious and

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challenging world of the deep sea.

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Our guests, Megan, Josh and Dirk are

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ocean professionals who

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spend their days deploying

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and maintaining remotely operated

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vehicles, troubleshooting

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problems miles offshore and

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gathering crucial data for ocean science.

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We'll hear what it feels like to operate

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equipment under extreme

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pressure, the surprises

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you can encounter when exploring the

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ocean floor and the teamwork it takes to

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make every mission a success.

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We're also going to dig into the personal

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side of life at sea, how they balance

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long stints away from family,

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the camaraderie that develops among crew

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members and the passion that keeps them

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coming back to this

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vital and demanding work.

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This conversation is a rare behind the

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scenes look at careers that keep our

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understanding of the ocean moving forward

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and it's a chance to appreciate

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the people who dedicate their lives to

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studying and protecting ocean ecosystems.

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So stay tuned, get ready for the stories

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from the deep and let's get to know the

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planet on Surfacing Secrets.

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Here's the interview with Megan, Josh and

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Dirk. Enjoy the interview

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and I will talk to you after.

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Megan, Josh and Dirk, welcome to the How

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to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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Are you ready to talk about what it's

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like to work in the ocean?

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Let's do it.

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Yeah, all right. This is gonna be a lot

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of fun. I'm super excited because it's

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not often actually, I don't think we've

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ever really had a full conversation of

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what it's like to work in the ocean,

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especially the deep sea.

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We have three people here who work in a

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partnership with Josh and for Oceans

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Network Canada with with Megan and Dirk

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and we're going to find out exactly what

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they do with those programs.

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But we are here to talk about what it's

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like to work in the ocean

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because that is what they do.

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And we're going to talk about sort of the

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challenges, the fun that

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you get to have out there.

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But also just like what it's like to work

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like in such a deep pressured system and

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all the materials I have to go in, ROVs.

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There's going to be a lot of fun chats

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coming on this podcast on this episode.

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So I am super excited to do that. Before

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we get into all that, though, why don't

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we hear from all of you

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who you are and what you do?

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We'll start with Megan.

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Thanks, Andrew. My name is Megan Paulson.

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And my role here at Ocean Networks Canada

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is executive director of

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observatory operations.

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And what that means is basically all

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operations at ONC as it relates to our

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observatories is under my purview.

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And that includes physical operations and

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digital operations because what we do, we

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don't just put stuff in the ocean, but we

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collect data from everything that we're

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putting in the ocean.

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And we make that data available to

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basically anyone with the Internet

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connection for free.

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That's amazing. I love that. I love it. I

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can't wait to dive deep into

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that. Let's go. Josh, next.

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Yeah, I'm Josh Tederenko. I'm director of

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ROV operations at

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Campact Marine Services.

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We're a company on the west coast of

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Canada that provides any subsea services

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down to six thousand meters

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with our deep sea rated ROV.

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My job in the company is to take care of

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and run and operate, mobilize, upgrade

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all of our underwater robotic systems.

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OK, that's that's interesting. That's

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like I feel like that is a continually

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growing field to to look at robotics and

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especially when it comes to underwater

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underwater work, right?

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Yeah, absolutely. Yes. I mean, just like

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any tech industry, you're always sort of

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chasing the newest latest technology and

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trying to be at the forefront.

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And a lot of what our partnership is with

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Ocean Networks Canada is not just to

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provide the services, but also to make

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sure that we we stay on top of the latest

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and greatest technology for the industry.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. Looking forward

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to diving into that as well. And Dirk,

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how about us know who

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you are and what you do.

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OK, I'm Dirk Russo. I'm the director of

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Observatory Physical Operations for Ocean

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Networks Canada. And my team is made up

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of engineers and technicians. And we work

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together to integrate new physical

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infrastructure onto the network, whether

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that's new sensors, new equipment or new

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technology, stuff like that.

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Nice. Very nice. Very nice. This is going

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to be a lot of fun to be able to talk to

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you. I want to just start right from the

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beginning before all of you got to where

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you were. And Megan,

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we'll start with you.

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You know, what was it like for you to get

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into the ocean? Like, what made you want

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to work in the ocean?

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Great question. So I grew up on the east

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coast of Canada. So very ocean friendly

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place. But it wasn't really until I was

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an undergraduate student in engineering

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in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

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And I applied for a position for the

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Geological Survey of Canada and

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fortunately got the position at the in

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Dartmouth, Nova Scotia and had the

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opportunity through my supervisor to do

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an offshore expedition where we were

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collecting sediment cores and absolutely

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fell in love with it.

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Like I was absolutely hooked to the point

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where when I graduated my undergrad, my

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main criteria for getting a job was I

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needed to work offshore.

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That's amazing. Quick question here. You

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know, when you work and we'll get into it

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a little bit more, but when you work at

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sea, there's a lot of sacrifices you have

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to make. It's not a regular what we, you

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know, quote unquote, what people would

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consider regular like land job where you

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get to go home after your

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your nine to five year at sea.

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What was so appealing for

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you about working at sea?

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Part of it was the adventure of it. I

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mean, you really you get to go to places

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that very few people go to. Part of it

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was the food. I like being fed. The food

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is usually amazing. I like it when people

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make food for me. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. And part of it was really getting

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to know the people on board. It's such a

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different environment than a regular

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office environment. And you're meeting

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people and you're working really closely

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with people that you wouldn't normally do

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so from every walk of life, from every

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type of education level.

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And it's really it's really a fascinating

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sort of microcosm environment and you're

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kind of stuck together. So whatever comes

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up, you have to figure it out. You have

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to work it out and you have to move

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forward for the very, you know, focused

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reason that you're out there for whatever

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your mission is at the time.

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Yeah, for sure. And I find too, like I've

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had experience working at sea and I find

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like when you have to work through those

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problems, you're able to get it. It's a

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complete confidence boost when you're

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able to figure it out. However long it

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takes, you know, you never know when an

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instrument is not going to work or or

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something is not going to work. And

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you're if you're able to get it going,

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that's probably one of the best feelings.

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Oh, it's yeah, it's it's such a rush, you

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know, because sometimes things break.

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Sometimes you get really creative.

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And when you're able to work through as a

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team and troubleshoot and put something

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together to solve whatever the issue was

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and it works, you turn it on, it works or

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whatever it is, it's, oh,

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it's an it's infectious.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. And speaking of,

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you know, fixing things that see Josh,

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you know, you're you're into robotics.

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You've come across that quite a bit. But

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what what got you into this company that

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you're working at? Like, what were you

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doing beforehand? Was this always the

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plan when you were younger?

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Like, how did this all come to be?

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Yeah, sure. Well, first of all, no, I've

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never had to fix a robot offshore.

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They're always they

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always work perfectly.

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I never ever experienced that once. No,

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we're fixing them all the time. So I was

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fortunate fortunate enough to grow up

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with a dad that he was in the field for

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his his career. So I kind of grew up

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around it. And, you know, we spent time

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on the ocean, you know, privately. And

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then I got to see some pretty

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cool ships when I was young.

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I always wanted to be a pilot, though, an

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aircraft pilot. But eventually, I was an

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electrician after high school, I did a

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trade. And then really why I went into

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subsea robotics is the challenge. Subsea

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robotics is especially deep sea is one of

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the most challenging

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jobs, careers on the planet, in my

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opinion, intellectually, just just the

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problems that you have to solve offshore

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and the teamwork needed to solve them

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consistently, drew me into working

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offshore. That's really the main the main

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reason why I love it every day.

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I love the food more than Megan. I love

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getting a team together on the ship. And

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just like we talked about, you have to

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you all have to come together to solve

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things, whether it's subsea or, you know,

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fixing something on the surface, so you

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can get back in the water.

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But the real draw for me is that you are

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always learning. You're always being

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challenged, always something different,

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especially working with Ocean Networks

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Canada or in the science field because

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you're always just

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pushing, pushing to do new things.

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It's not like more common or OB fields

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and oil and gas and things. They've kind

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of got everything figured out and they've

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been doing it for a long time. But in the

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fields that we work in,

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it's actually a challenge.

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You're always trying to solve an issue

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with people that really, really want to

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solve it with you. Yeah, that are really

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interesting. Everybody's very motivated.

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We all come together offshore. So that's

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that's the main draw for me.

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That's why I got into this.

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I don't blame you. I don't blame you.

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That sounds amazing.

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Dirk, how about yourself?

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When I growing up, I grew up in a kind of

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a subtropical rainforest in South Africa

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and at the age of six, I already had my

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own horse and we would like ride our

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horses in the game reserves

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and stuff to my friend's house.

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Like we were pretty wild kids, right? So

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I've always had this sense of adventure.

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And I think that just kind of came stuck

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along when I was in university and got

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opportunity to do a co-op

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with Ocean Networks Canada.

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You saw the same thing. It's like this is

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you get to go all these places kind of

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what Megan was saying, like we have got

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observatories in the Arctic all along the

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coast of BC. We got one of the east

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coast. So it's a lot of really remote

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travel. And that's what I that's what I

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really liked. And then working here, I

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kind of got into the offshore working on

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the vessels and stuff. That's just part

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of the job, right? So yeah.

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And I guess one of the favorite things

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about working here is everyone kind of

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circle. I want to say circle the train,

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but everyone kind of came together

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because they're equally passionate. So

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the people you're working with are just

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as excited. And I think both Josh and

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Megan already mentioned this, but you

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kind of end up here because you want to

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be here. It's not necessarily easy road

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to get here. So right coworkers, I guess.

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Yeah, I think it's I think it's really

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interesting to how you know, a lot of

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people I'm a marine biologist and I think

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a lot of people who try and get into this

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field who want to work on the ocean think

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they have to be a marine biologist. You

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are all scientists. You are all engineers

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of one one way or another of worked in

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that in that field. Did you ever picture

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yourself during our Josh, you might be a

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little different because your dad worked

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in this and this is something that you

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know was you can see what what you could

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what was one of the

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potentials other than just the

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being a being a pilot. But did any of you

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think that this is what you were going to

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be doing dirt will start with you this

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time. Like, did you think that you will

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be working on the ocean as a your

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mechanical engineer, right? Mechanical

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engineer. Yeah. Yeah. So do you ever

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think that that was one of the things

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you're going to be doing? No, not at all.

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Like I like it. Like I've always loved

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fishing and I like being on the ocean and

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stuff like that, but I never thought I'd

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work in the ocean. Initially, I was an

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aspiring geologist, my first track,

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trying to get a degree and

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that did not work out. So

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kind of went back square one did

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electrical apprenticeship or start that

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and then went to you Vic from marine

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biology kind of left that as well and

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then eventually did my engineering degree

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and still ended up kind of where I in the

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field work kind of thing. So long track

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but yeah, yeah, love it. Love it. And

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Josh, I know you kind of worked in that

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that you saw what it was like, but did

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you ever picture this is what you were

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going to be doing or like I know you said

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you want to be a pilot. Was this all

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actually what you do?

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Yeah, no, I didn't really consider this

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until my mid mid 20s to be honest. I knew

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it was a was an opportunity that I could

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probably take up. But I yeah. And then I

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and then once I got into it, I was

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basically thrown right in. I took the job

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and then we had our first cruise for onc

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in 2012 or 13. I can't remember.

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And we just we were kind of as a short

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notice thing and we got thrown on board

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ship and I just never turned back. So no,

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but no, I didn't I didn't really think

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that I would work offshore. I love

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spending time in the ocean either way,

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but yeah, I didn't expect this. No,

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absolutely. Absolutely. And

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Megan, how about yourself?

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Well, it's funny that you said most

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people think you need to be a marine

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01:15:06,416 --> 01:15:08,416
biologist to get into this field and

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01:15:08,416 --> 01:15:10,791
these guys can attest. I'm a terrible

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biologist. I'm terrible at identifying

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anything. I call them all critters and

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all. But yeah, no, I when I went to

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university, I started in science until I

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and I thought I was going to major in

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chemistry and until I hit organic chemistry.

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And I thought no, thank you. And then I

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switched to engineering and ended up

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going into civil engineering. So again,

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you don't think a civil engineering and

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working on the ocean at all. But it was

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really the co-op work term where I got

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the opportunity to do ocean work where

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like that was it. I was done. So this is

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it. I love the field work. I love the

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environment. I love the working with the

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technology. I love the field work.

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I love the technology. I love just the

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fact that you have to be self-reliant.

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You know, you can't just when you're out

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there, you can't just swing by the ocean

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hardware store to pick up anything you

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forgot. A lot of a lot of people in our

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mind, at least they say, you know, you

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01:16:21,458 --> 01:16:23,583
fall into it. You get a

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01:16:23,583 --> 01:16:25,291
that's exactly right. Yeah.

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So, you know, robotics or background in

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marine biology, some there's so many

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different backgrounds that you can

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actually get into engineering. It's not

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just limited to to marine biology or what

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people might think. And then you kind of

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get an opportunity at some point. And

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then a lot of people fall in love with

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it, just like we all have. But it's yeah,

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we say it all the time. How did you get

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into this? I kind of just fell into it.

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I'm 100% right, Josh. Yeah, I certainly

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did. Yeah. Well, and maybe I wanted to

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just kind of ask a question to you,

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obviously, you know, being being the

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woman on the podcast today working in a

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field at sea is not something that I

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01:17:06,458 --> 01:17:07,958
think we see it a little bit. We see it

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more today than we did, you know, a few a

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few decades ago. But it's not something

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that is advertised or not a lot of young

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girls are going to say, I'm going to work

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at sea back, you know, back when I grew

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up in the 80s and 90s.

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Although I did see a lot of women in my

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in my class, like in my marine biology

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class anyway. And there's more and more

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engineers coming through that are that

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are females. What was it? What have you

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found the difference when you first

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started to now? Like, what's been that?

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Do you find there's do you find that

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you're seeing more women working in the

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field? And when you first started, like,

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how was that for you?

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Yeah, definitely. So, and it kind of

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01:17:46,041 --> 01:17:48,000
depends on the industry that you're

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working in, I find working in science,

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there tends to be more, more women, and

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more women working in the field, which is

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kind of a friendlier environment. I

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didn't always work in science, and it

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01:18:02,500 --> 01:18:05,583
wasn't always quite as friendly. But

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certainly the the number of women who are

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going into the field has increased.

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And I think the overall sort of

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expectations and acceptance of women

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being in the field has really grown a

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lot. You know, it used to be, you know,

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at times like, I wouldn't be allowed to

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01:18:25,333 --> 01:18:27,125
go out on a ship because there wasn't

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01:18:27,125 --> 01:18:28,458
accommodations. Yeah.

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01:18:29,291 --> 01:18:32,583
And these guys know very well that at

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01:18:32,583 --> 01:18:34,375
Ocean Networks Canada, that's not an

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01:18:34,375 --> 01:18:36,250
acceptable answer now. Right.

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And so we, we have to make sure that the

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accommodations are there. And I think

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having like, you know, a generation or a

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01:18:46,916 --> 01:18:48,791
couple of generations of women who've,

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who've kind of gone through it, and are

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in leadership positions now saying like,

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No, that's not acceptable, we have to do

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01:18:56,250 --> 01:18:58,708
better is really push things forward.

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And so we were off shore just this past

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June, and there were a number of young

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01:19:04,333 --> 01:19:08,125
women, or younger than me, I should say,

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01:19:09,166 --> 01:19:11,958
women on on board, where it was their

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01:19:11,958 --> 01:19:14,208
first experience at sea, and it was such

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01:19:14,208 --> 01:19:17,208
a open and friendly and supportive

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01:19:17,208 --> 01:19:20,291
environment that was different

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01:19:20,291 --> 01:19:21,958
than when I started for sure.

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And so, you know, the other senior women

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01:19:24,708 --> 01:19:26,500
on board, we just kind of looked at each

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01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:28,375
other and and said to each other like,

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01:19:28,666 --> 01:19:31,458
wow, can you imagine if this is what your

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01:19:31,458 --> 01:19:34,708
first experience at sea was like, it was

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01:19:34,708 --> 01:19:37,500
really it was it was so great to see.

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01:19:38,791 --> 01:19:40,500
Obviously, having such a positive

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01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:42,708
experience for for young scientists, any

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01:19:42,708 --> 01:19:44,166
young scientists come out, we'll want

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01:19:44,166 --> 01:19:45,833
them to come back out, that'll make it

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01:19:45,833 --> 01:19:47,541
all. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that was so

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01:19:47,541 --> 01:19:49,083
much fun. I want to go back out and do it

534
01:19:49,083 --> 01:19:51,041
again. Let's be honest, it's not easy to

535
01:19:51,041 --> 01:19:52,958
work in the ocean. We say it's fun. We

536
01:19:52,958 --> 01:19:54,250
say it's but it's there's, there's some

537
01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:55,750
tough days, you know, when you when the

538
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:59,250
seas are up and it's not always calm and

539
01:19:59,250 --> 01:20:01,458
it's and it's not always sunny. And so it

540
01:20:01,458 --> 01:20:04,500
can be quite difficult sometimes. So it's

541
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:06,291
always good to have a

542
01:20:06,291 --> 01:20:07,791
great, a great crew.

543
01:20:07,833 --> 01:20:09,541
And as we start to, you know, I'm sorry,

544
01:20:09,541 --> 01:20:10,833
the questions are going to start to get

545
01:20:10,833 --> 01:20:13,041
into the form of like, what types of jobs

546
01:20:13,041 --> 01:20:14,291
are you guys doing when you're out there

547
01:20:14,291 --> 01:20:17,333
that having that crew dynamic where you

548
01:20:17,333 --> 01:20:19,583
can everybody gets along, you know, and

549
01:20:19,583 --> 01:20:21,083
works together and supportive together.

550
01:20:21,083 --> 01:20:22,166
Obviously, the three of you know, each

551
01:20:22,166 --> 01:20:23,375
other quite well. You've been at sea

552
01:20:23,375 --> 01:20:25,000
quite a number of times.

553
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,958
You know, Dirk, what makes a crew like

554
01:20:27,958 --> 01:20:29,458
what what makes it like in terms of the

555
01:20:29,458 --> 01:20:33,000
people work so well together? Like, what

556
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:34,791
does it take? Especially at sea?

557
01:20:35,791 --> 01:20:39,000
Well, there's very, it's kind of funny,

558
01:20:39,541 --> 01:20:41,208
you pick a crew, you pick your crew list

559
01:20:41,208 --> 01:20:43,083
very specific to what the jobs are. And

560
01:20:43,083 --> 01:20:44,291
there's kind of these kind of discrete

561
01:20:44,291 --> 01:20:47,166
jobs. And then so you've got the kind of

562
01:20:47,166 --> 01:20:49,125
specialists for each one. And then you

563
01:20:49,125 --> 01:20:52,166
also have these like, I don't know, jack

564
01:20:52,166 --> 01:20:54,250
of all trade, but Swiss Army knives of

565
01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:55,875
people that you can bring along as well.

566
01:20:55,875 --> 01:20:57,458
So that kind of kind of cover the spread.

567
01:20:57,458 --> 01:20:58,791
So we've got a few of those as well.

568
01:20:58,791 --> 01:21:01,208
So we'll have like a dedicated person

569
01:21:01,208 --> 01:21:03,291
from science or data that would focus a

570
01:21:03,291 --> 01:21:04,666
lot of their efforts on that field

571
01:21:04,666 --> 01:21:05,750
because it takes like their full

572
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:08,541
attention. But then there's also the back

573
01:21:08,541 --> 01:21:10,791
deck work and leading dives and that kind

574
01:21:10,791 --> 01:21:12,333
of thing that you really need to shuffle

575
01:21:12,333 --> 01:21:12,791
the expertise around.

576
01:21:12,833 --> 01:21:16,125
But I think what gets you through the day

577
01:21:16,125 --> 01:21:17,625
or because some of these cruises are

578
01:21:17,625 --> 01:21:20,166
long, they're like 22 days of 12 hours on

579
01:21:20,166 --> 01:21:22,875
every day is again, is the people that

580
01:21:22,875 --> 01:21:25,125
you go with. I've cruised with people

581
01:21:25,125 --> 01:21:28,000
where the, you know, the camaraderie

582
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,916
wasn't necessarily there. And then

583
01:21:29,916 --> 01:21:31,708
cruises with when it is there. It just

584
01:21:31,708 --> 01:21:33,208
it's a lot of jokes. It's a lot of

585
01:21:33,208 --> 01:21:35,791
stories. It's just kind of, I don't know.

586
01:21:35,791 --> 01:21:37,000
It's the people that you go with, I think

587
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,500
it kind of form this little family on

588
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:39,750
each cruise. And by the end, you're like,

589
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:41,791
Oh, what I do now, because everyone goes there separately.

590
01:21:42,791 --> 01:21:45,833
Right. Right. So yeah, yeah, for sure.

591
01:21:45,833 --> 01:21:47,916
Yeah. Dirk, Dirk calls me at night after

592
01:21:47,916 --> 01:21:50,166
cruises for the like the first week. He's

593
01:21:50,166 --> 01:21:51,958
he's really gets really lonely. He misses

594
01:21:51,958 --> 01:21:56,291
me a lot. He doesn't ask. He calls me.

595
01:21:56,291 --> 01:21:58,791
No, I don't know. Is that enough with

596
01:21:58,791 --> 01:21:59,791
Dirk? That's enough.

597
01:22:00,041 --> 01:22:01,416
You've got all the voicemails.

598
01:22:02,791 --> 01:22:07,125
Voice mail full voice. Just check it in.

599
01:22:07,125 --> 01:22:09,500
Speaking of which, you know, you talk

600
01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:11,208
about missing each other after how long

601
01:22:11,208 --> 01:22:13,500
are these trips? I know they vary, but

602
01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:15,583
what's the average length of a trip at

603
01:22:15,583 --> 01:22:18,583
sea when you're going out for and I don't

604
01:22:18,583 --> 01:22:20,041
even know if this is what you call it.

605
01:22:20,041 --> 01:22:21,541
But like regular maintenance. Is that

606
01:22:21,541 --> 01:22:23,541
what these trips are usually for is

607
01:22:23,541 --> 01:22:25,500
regular mates making sure that everything

608
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:27,583
is working there, making it. If you have

609
01:22:27,583 --> 01:22:29,125
to switch out some instrumentation things

610
01:22:29,125 --> 01:22:30,625
like how long are those

611
01:22:30,625 --> 01:22:30,791
typically those trips?

612
01:22:31,791 --> 01:22:34,916
And we got Megan, you can show sure.

613
01:22:35,125 --> 01:22:38,000
Sure. So, um, sorry, for Ocean Networks

614
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,916
Canada, we typically have at least two

615
01:22:39,916 --> 01:22:42,083
regular maintenance trips per year. One

616
01:22:42,083 --> 01:22:43,875
is really focused more on inshore. And

617
01:22:43,875 --> 01:22:45,750
one is focused more on offshore. The

618
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:48,500
inshore one is typically a week a little

619
01:22:48,500 --> 01:22:51,000
bit more than a week. The offshore one is

620
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,333
typically two to three weeks long. Okay.

621
01:22:53,458 --> 01:22:55,166
And when we say two to three weeks, you

622
01:22:55,166 --> 01:22:58,458
know, usually it's people are working 12

623
01:22:58,458 --> 01:23:00,791
hour shifts. Yeah. Seven days a week. Like we don't have a lot of time to do that.

624
01:23:02,041 --> 01:23:03,375
It doesn't matter if it's a holiday. We

625
01:23:03,375 --> 01:23:05,666
don't get weekends. It's it's a grind.

626
01:23:06,208 --> 01:23:08,666
Yeah. Yeah. And you're and when we say 12

627
01:23:08,666 --> 01:23:10,375
hour shifts, like you're on your shift

628
01:23:10,375 --> 01:23:13,250
for 12 hours. But you know, typically

629
01:23:13,250 --> 01:23:15,041
you're up, you're doing some prep work,

630
01:23:15,041 --> 01:23:17,000
you're doing some post shift work as

631
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,250
well. So it's it's intense for sure.

632
01:23:20,250 --> 01:23:22,166
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's also it's like you

633
01:23:22,166 --> 01:23:24,333
want to make sure that, you know, when

634
01:23:24,333 --> 01:23:26,166
you're out there, everything works. And

635
01:23:26,166 --> 01:23:27,958
we've talked about this already. If

636
01:23:27,958 --> 01:23:29,500
something doesn't work, you have to be on

637
01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:31,083
it to make it work as fast as you can,

638
01:23:31,083 --> 01:23:31,791
because you only have a

639
01:23:31,833 --> 01:23:34,208
certain amount of time out at sea anyway.

640
01:23:34,208 --> 01:23:35,291
And if you're only having one or two

641
01:23:35,291 --> 01:23:37,333
trips, then it can be really difficult.

642
01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:38,375
You don't want to miss out on something

643
01:23:38,375 --> 01:23:41,000
or you don't have to go back out for one

644
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,916
specific thing. If you couldn't get it

645
01:23:42,916 --> 01:23:45,500
done in the first trip, but I kind of got

646
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:47,250
ahead of myself in terms of what goes

647
01:23:47,250 --> 01:23:49,583
into the planning of these trips. Like

648
01:23:49,583 --> 01:23:54,666
how, like how far into planning do you

649
01:23:54,666 --> 01:23:56,958
guys get? How many like that take months

650
01:23:56,958 --> 01:24:00,416
to get things done? You know, what is it?

651
01:24:00,416 --> 01:24:01,791
What goes into that? And then you know, you're going to have to go back to the

652
01:24:01,791 --> 01:24:03,083
next one. And I guess we'll we can talk

653
01:24:03,083 --> 01:24:04,583
to who wants to take that one. It'll take

654
01:24:04,583 --> 01:24:07,500
Megan. Do you want to talk to Josh?

655
01:24:07,625 --> 01:24:09,708
Sorry, I can talk to, you know, speak to

656
01:24:09,708 --> 01:24:14,166
the ROV planning. Yeah. So well, we I

657
01:24:14,166 --> 01:24:16,250
like to consider the the cruises almost

658
01:24:16,250 --> 01:24:18,125
they're almost like a movie production in

659
01:24:18,125 --> 01:24:20,875
that there is a ton of prep and planning

660
01:24:20,875 --> 01:24:22,500
that takes place. And then it all has to

661
01:24:22,500 --> 01:24:25,541
get done in a short window. Everybody

662
01:24:25,541 --> 01:24:28,708
works 24 seven. And then you're kind of

663
01:24:28,708 --> 01:24:31,791
done and you wrap it up. And it's it's so

664
01:24:31,791 --> 01:24:35,291
planning is in my opinion, it's the most

665
01:24:35,291 --> 01:24:38,125
important part of any cruise because you

666
01:24:38,125 --> 01:24:39,416
don't plan it, right? Obviously you go

667
01:24:39,416 --> 01:24:41,250
out and you waste all this time and

668
01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:45,833
money. So from the ROV side of things, we

669
01:24:45,833 --> 01:24:49,208
like to meet with whoever we're working

670
01:24:49,208 --> 01:24:51,125
with, Ocean Air, which is Canada a couple

671
01:24:51,125 --> 01:24:54,708
months before a job, make sure that every

672
01:24:54,708 --> 01:24:56,750
couple weeks after that and then closer

673
01:24:56,750 --> 01:24:59,958
together to make sure we have

674
01:24:59,958 --> 01:25:01,791
deck plans for the ship all.

675
01:25:01,791 --> 01:25:05,541
All worked out all of our operations that

676
01:25:05,541 --> 01:25:07,791
we need special equipment for we have the

677
01:25:07,791 --> 01:25:10,458
equipment, you know, either rented or

678
01:25:10,458 --> 01:25:12,500
purchased and on the way and installed.

679
01:25:12,875 --> 01:25:17,208
And so, you know, there's at least on our

680
01:25:17,208 --> 01:25:19,333
end, there's there's one to two months of

681
01:25:19,333 --> 01:25:21,875
prep work, depending on the specific

682
01:25:21,875 --> 01:25:24,875
exhibition, I think, you know, Megan, you

683
01:25:24,875 --> 01:25:26,500
guys, you guys have a bit more probably.

684
01:25:27,125 --> 01:25:29,958
Yeah, so so we we start months and months

685
01:25:29,958 --> 01:25:33,666
in advance and really the planning starts

686
01:25:33,666 --> 01:25:38,000
with what's broken and figuring out

687
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,250
what's broken and what needs to be

688
01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:41,666
replaced and what needs maintenance or

689
01:25:41,666 --> 01:25:44,583
like where are we expanding and and from

690
01:25:44,583 --> 01:25:46,958
there and and we get, you know, it's it's

691
01:25:46,958 --> 01:25:49,041
a real team effort. So all the teams at

692
01:25:49,041 --> 01:25:51,083
Ocean Networks Canada and some of our

693
01:25:51,083 --> 01:25:54,458
stakeholders and and science partners

694
01:25:56,125 --> 01:25:59,583
get involved and make requests. So it

695
01:25:59,583 --> 01:26:02,458
starts with that. And from there, we're

696
01:26:02,458 --> 01:26:05,625
procuring instruments, testing them,

697
01:26:05,625 --> 01:26:07,000
validating them, making sure that the

698
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,458
data quality is right, building them up.

699
01:26:10,750 --> 01:26:12,083
Sometimes they have to be built onto

700
01:26:12,083 --> 01:26:13,708
platforms. Sometimes the platform needs

701
01:26:13,708 --> 01:26:14,833
to be designed first.

702
01:26:15,791 --> 01:26:18,541
So so there's a lot of that, that prep

703
01:26:18,541 --> 01:26:22,375
work that goes into it. And then, you

704
01:26:22,375 --> 01:26:24,041
know, so that's sort of on the instrument

705
01:26:24,041 --> 01:26:25,666
side. And like, what are we going to do?

706
01:26:25,916 --> 01:26:29,208
And sort of based on what our plan is,

707
01:26:29,583 --> 01:26:32,791
we, we, we have to procure sometimes a

708
01:26:32,791 --> 01:26:34,625
ship, sometimes a ship and an ROV.

709
01:26:35,041 --> 01:26:36,875
And so, you know, we have to know what

710
01:26:36,875 --> 01:26:38,583
our requirements are for those ships and

711
01:26:38,583 --> 01:26:40,166
ROVs based on the work

712
01:26:40,166 --> 01:26:41,125
that we're trying to get done.

713
01:26:42,541 --> 01:26:46,000
We have to submit our permits and make

714
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,916
sure that all of that is above board. And

715
01:26:48,916 --> 01:26:50,750
then and then as we're getting a little

716
01:26:50,750 --> 01:26:52,541
bit closer, as Josh mentioned, we work

717
01:26:52,541 --> 01:26:55,666
directly with the ROV provider to really

718
01:26:55,666 --> 01:26:58,416
get into the nuts and bolts of like

719
01:26:58,416 --> 01:27:02,375
integrating sensors or specialized

720
01:27:02,375 --> 01:27:04,875
equipment into the ROV for every

721
01:27:06,375 --> 01:27:07,958
for every dive that we do. So every time

722
01:27:07,958 --> 01:27:09,666
we go in the water with the ROV, we call

723
01:27:09,666 --> 01:27:12,208
it a dive at a particular site, we have

724
01:27:12,208 --> 01:27:15,958
very detailed dive plans written. They're

725
01:27:15,958 --> 01:27:17,500
usually written in advance, but they're

726
01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:20,625
usually tweaked like the day before a

727
01:27:20,625 --> 01:27:23,208
dive with input from the ROV pilots and

728
01:27:23,208 --> 01:27:27,250
and the people on board. And yeah, so

729
01:27:27,250 --> 01:27:28,750
there's there's a lot that goes into it.

730
01:27:28,791 --> 01:27:31,333
I would imagine too, like it's constantly

731
01:27:31,333 --> 01:27:33,166
changing because based on weather would

732
01:27:33,166 --> 01:27:35,375
would be pretty significant in terms of

733
01:27:35,375 --> 01:27:36,916
how that can change your plans quite

734
01:27:36,916 --> 01:27:38,875
quickly, whether you even go out or

735
01:27:38,875 --> 01:27:41,666
whether you even deploy an ROV or that

736
01:27:41,666 --> 01:27:42,500
type of work, right?

737
01:27:43,208 --> 01:27:44,500
Yeah, we're fortunate where we have a

738
01:27:44,500 --> 01:27:47,416
number of different sites that we can go

739
01:27:47,416 --> 01:27:49,500
to and and typically most of our sites

740
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:53,000
are part of our expedition plan. But we

741
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,000
are all three of us are glued to windy.

742
01:27:56,791 --> 01:27:59,000
Pretty much all the time looking at the

743
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,791
forecast looking at at, you know, the

744
01:28:01,791 --> 01:28:04,541
wave hides the wind at each of our

745
01:28:04,541 --> 01:28:07,166
locations. And, you know, looking a few

746
01:28:07,166 --> 01:28:08,916
days in advance of like, okay, well, what

747
01:28:08,916 --> 01:28:10,875
makes the most sense? And does it make

748
01:28:10,875 --> 01:28:13,208
sense to run away from the weather here

749
01:28:13,208 --> 01:28:14,250
to go somewhere else?

750
01:28:14,791 --> 01:28:17,625
You know, to get a good weather window or

751
01:28:17,625 --> 01:28:19,416
is it going to turn there just as we

752
01:28:19,416 --> 01:28:21,583
arrive, you know, like all all those real

753
01:28:21,583 --> 01:28:24,250
time decisions and then we work we're we

754
01:28:24,250 --> 01:28:25,583
work closely with the captains to

755
01:28:25,583 --> 01:28:27,375
obviously, of course, of course, and

756
01:28:27,375 --> 01:28:29,541
Megan's leaving out really the important

757
01:28:29,541 --> 01:28:30,708
part of the planning,

758
01:28:30,708 --> 01:28:31,666
especially on board.

759
01:28:31,958 --> 01:28:33,916
She brings along a very

760
01:28:33,916 --> 01:28:36,208
large white board every time.

761
01:28:36,791 --> 01:28:36,833
Yeah.

762
01:28:38,166 --> 01:28:42,000
She calls it her dream board. And she

763
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,166
writes down all of the possibilities

764
01:28:44,166 --> 01:28:46,375
every day of what we could do based on

765
01:28:46,375 --> 01:28:48,041
weather and everything that's gone on.

766
01:28:48,250 --> 01:28:51,916
And then about 36 times a day, she goes

767
01:28:51,916 --> 01:28:52,916
to the dream board and

768
01:28:52,916 --> 01:28:54,500
changes what's on it.

769
01:28:56,208 --> 01:28:57,750
So our vision board, right? It's like

770
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:59,083
when people plan like they do their

771
01:28:59,083 --> 01:29:00,625
vision board. This is your vision for

772
01:29:00,625 --> 01:29:04,125
for. Yeah. Yeah. I have it labeled on the

773
01:29:04,125 --> 01:29:05,625
top. Oh, and see dream board.

774
01:29:08,875 --> 01:29:11,125
I love it. I absolutely love it. Now,

775
01:29:11,458 --> 01:29:13,458
once you've done all the planning, now

776
01:29:13,458 --> 01:29:15,416
you're you're steaming up. Does O and C

777
01:29:15,416 --> 01:29:16,791
have their own ships or do

778
01:29:16,791 --> 01:29:18,791
you do you contract them out?

779
01:29:21,291 --> 01:29:22,875
Do you take that one? Yeah, Dirk, why

780
01:29:22,875 --> 01:29:24,791
don't you take that one? So we contract

781
01:29:24,791 --> 01:29:27,916
the ships. We and those could be, you

782
01:29:27,916 --> 01:29:29,916
know, job specific. So a lot of times

783
01:29:29,916 --> 01:29:31,708
there's a certain requirement for cranes

784
01:29:31,708 --> 01:29:33,458
or ship size or something like this.

785
01:29:33,791 --> 01:29:35,708
On our inshore expeditions, we could get

786
01:29:35,708 --> 01:29:37,000
away with some smaller vessels and

787
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,458
offshore. Of course, we need the bigger

788
01:29:38,458 --> 01:29:42,083
vessels and that's a combination of a lot

789
01:29:42,083 --> 01:29:43,291
of times we use Coast Guard vessels.

790
01:29:43,791 --> 01:29:45,458
There's some partnership there. And then

791
01:29:45,458 --> 01:29:49,416
also we've used Josh's their company camp

792
01:29:49,416 --> 01:29:50,833
back. We used to their ship before

793
01:29:50,833 --> 01:29:52,208
there's a few different options that we

794
01:29:52,208 --> 01:29:54,416
can use. So it's a combination. So I'll

795
01:29:54,416 --> 01:29:56,708
contract it though. We do own our own

796
01:29:56,708 --> 01:29:59,250
little like aluminum

797
01:29:59,250 --> 01:30:00,750
little smaller work boat.

798
01:30:00,791 --> 01:30:02,833
And we do smaller operations with that

799
01:30:02,833 --> 01:30:04,750
where we do small coastal observatories,

800
01:30:04,750 --> 01:30:07,041
but not offshore. Now with that, will

801
01:30:07,041 --> 01:30:09,333
that little boat come on to some of the

802
01:30:09,333 --> 01:30:12,000
bigger boats to do some little experts? I

803
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,708
know some research vessels do that. No,

804
01:30:14,708 --> 01:30:16,750
it does not. Yeah, makes sense.

805
01:30:16,791 --> 01:30:20,000
It's very, very, very, yeah, for the

806
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,875
little boat. Yeah. Now, how long does it

807
01:30:21,875 --> 01:30:23,750
take like for the offshore sites?

808
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:24,791
Obviously, the inshore sites probably

809
01:30:24,791 --> 01:30:25,666
doesn't take as long, but for the

810
01:30:25,666 --> 01:30:28,375
offshore sites to say your furthest site

811
01:30:28,375 --> 01:30:30,666
that you would go, how long would that

812
01:30:30,666 --> 01:30:32,083
take to get there, Dirk?

813
01:30:32,958 --> 01:30:34,833
It takes about when you leave the dock

814
01:30:34,833 --> 01:30:37,333
here at IS, it takes about 27 hours of

815
01:30:37,333 --> 01:30:40,333
steaming to get there. Okay. So yeah, it

816
01:30:40,333 --> 01:30:41,750
takes quite a while to get there. Yeah.

817
01:30:41,791 --> 01:30:44,791
To our furthest sites. So that's our

818
01:30:44,791 --> 01:30:47,416
diverse site. But when we're doing our

819
01:30:47,416 --> 01:30:50,791
planning, we try and maximize our

820
01:30:50,791 --> 01:30:53,916
daylight hours and our dive windows to

821
01:30:53,916 --> 01:30:56,750
get to a site so that we're, yeah.

822
01:30:57,250 --> 01:30:59,166
So it's difficult, like when we plan our

823
01:30:59,166 --> 01:31:00,583
cruise in advance, we have an itinerary

824
01:31:00,583 --> 01:31:02,208
for okay, we're planning on leaving at

825
01:31:02,208 --> 01:31:04,541
one RV, are you going to be ready at one

826
01:31:04,541 --> 01:31:06,041
o'clock so we can leave so you can be,

827
01:31:06,541 --> 01:31:08,041
you know, Barkley Canyon at eight in the

828
01:31:08,041 --> 01:31:09,083
morning for first dive.

829
01:31:09,708 --> 01:31:11,500
And then you start creeping past one

830
01:31:11,500 --> 01:31:13,041
pass. Okay, so no point rushing to

831
01:31:13,041 --> 01:31:15,500
Barkley Canyon. Let's go to Cascadia. No

832
01:31:15,500 --> 01:31:17,000
point rushing that let's go to Endeavor

833
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:17,958
because you might want to

834
01:31:17,958 --> 01:31:20,375
minimize those days for diving.

835
01:31:20,791 --> 01:31:24,375
Yeah, yeah. And like, there's a seems to

836
01:31:24,375 --> 01:31:27,250
be a lot of logistics in here. Have any

837
01:31:27,250 --> 01:31:29,333
of you gone through like logistics

838
01:31:29,333 --> 01:31:31,000
training because I don't know if that's

839
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,000
necessarily taught in university when you

840
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:34,333
go to university. Is this something you

841
01:31:34,333 --> 01:31:37,250
learn as you do more and more trips like

842
01:31:37,250 --> 01:31:39,250
you just kind of learn on the go? Josh,

843
01:31:39,250 --> 01:31:40,166
you could talk about this because

844
01:31:40,791 --> 01:31:42,333
I learned to hand it

845
01:31:42,333 --> 01:31:43,500
off to somebody else.

846
01:31:46,791 --> 01:31:48,833
Yeah, it just seems like you have to

847
01:31:48,833 --> 01:31:51,125
anticipate a lot you have to like an

848
01:31:51,125 --> 01:31:52,500
experience obviously matters

849
01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:53,625
right when you come into this.

850
01:31:54,291 --> 01:31:57,458
Absolutely. I mean, my, I always tell

851
01:31:57,458 --> 01:32:01,125
people, you know, my job specifically as

852
01:32:01,125 --> 01:32:03,625
the director of operations is really to

853
01:32:03,625 --> 01:32:05,791
just try and think of everything that we

854
01:32:05,791 --> 01:32:08,250
need, write it down and get get people to

855
01:32:08,250 --> 01:32:09,458
either do it or get

856
01:32:09,458 --> 01:32:10,625
it or have it shipped.

857
01:32:12,166 --> 01:32:13,791
You know, just like any company, we have

858
01:32:13,791 --> 01:32:16,708
logistics personnel and things like that.

859
01:32:17,208 --> 01:32:20,416
So, so there is a ton always to think

860
01:32:20,416 --> 01:32:22,791
about, which is why we meet so often with

861
01:32:22,791 --> 01:32:25,458
clients and ocean networks, Canada.

862
01:32:26,833 --> 01:32:30,458
Yeah, but no trading. Absolutely. And you

863
01:32:30,458 --> 01:32:32,041
can tell that sometimes.

864
01:32:33,791 --> 01:32:36,500
For sure. Yeah, I can imagine. I think

865
01:32:36,500 --> 01:32:40,666
you always have to be patient in a way of

866
01:32:40,666 --> 01:32:42,625
like not everything goes right when

867
01:32:42,625 --> 01:32:44,708
you're at sea, right? A lot of things can

868
01:32:44,708 --> 01:32:47,250
go, you know, not necessarily wrong, but

869
01:32:47,250 --> 01:32:49,458
divert because of weather or something

870
01:32:49,458 --> 01:32:50,916
that you realize when you get there.

871
01:32:51,791 --> 01:32:54,000
I think that's, you know, I think that's

872
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:55,416
that's that's what it really happens. And

873
01:32:55,416 --> 01:32:57,125
when you when you get that challenge, you

874
01:32:57,125 --> 01:32:59,041
kind of work through it right and as a

875
01:32:59,041 --> 01:33:01,291
team and you talk about maybe a time

876
01:33:01,291 --> 01:33:03,250
making that you've you've come to a site

877
01:33:03,250 --> 01:33:06,208
and things didn't necessarily go as

878
01:33:06,208 --> 01:33:07,791
planned right off right off the bat, like

879
01:33:07,791 --> 01:33:09,041
the weather kind of shift like what

880
01:33:09,041 --> 01:33:11,041
happens when that when like weather

881
01:33:11,041 --> 01:33:13,333
shifts as you get to a site, is it more

882
01:33:13,333 --> 01:33:15,458
of a kind of weight or do you just go to

883
01:33:15,458 --> 01:33:16,750
the next thing that you can do?

884
01:33:17,500 --> 01:33:19,583
Yeah, it really depends on the

885
01:33:19,583 --> 01:33:23,416
conditions. So we've definitely, you

886
01:33:23,416 --> 01:33:25,416
know, looked at the weather window and we

887
01:33:25,416 --> 01:33:27,375
get on site and the weather looks okay.

888
01:33:27,666 --> 01:33:31,500
And we started dive say, yeah, and we get

889
01:33:31,500 --> 01:33:32,833
partway through the dive and the

890
01:33:32,833 --> 01:33:35,500
weather's deteriorating and with a lot of

891
01:33:35,500 --> 01:33:37,875
input from the ROV team and from the

892
01:33:37,875 --> 01:33:40,625
ship's captain, you know, we say, okay,

893
01:33:40,625 --> 01:33:42,750
we have to cut this dive short, like we

894
01:33:42,750 --> 01:33:44,291
have to recover right away,

895
01:33:44,291 --> 01:33:45,583
you know, because ultimately,

896
01:33:45,791 --> 01:33:48,625
you know, when the ROV is being

897
01:33:48,625 --> 01:33:51,166
recovered, you know, it's it's a huge

898
01:33:51,166 --> 01:33:54,458
robot coming up on a crane and people are

899
01:33:54,458 --> 01:33:57,500
having to navigate it on deck and secure

900
01:33:57,500 --> 01:34:00,208
everything on deck. And we, you know, we

901
01:34:00,208 --> 01:34:02,791
have to do it in a safe way. Right. So

902
01:34:02,791 --> 01:34:04,416
whatever the operation

903
01:34:04,416 --> 01:34:05,750
is, we're not going to

904
01:34:06,791 --> 01:34:10,916
we're not going to risk unsafe

905
01:34:10,916 --> 01:34:13,291
operations. So if if the weather's

906
01:34:13,291 --> 01:34:16,500
deteriorating, if the captain makes a

907
01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:19,000
call, then, you know, the operation is

908
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,166
done for the day and we recover the ROV.

909
01:34:21,958 --> 01:34:24,916
Yeah. And and then we look at the

910
01:34:24,916 --> 01:34:27,125
forecast. And, you know, maybe it's

911
01:34:27,125 --> 01:34:29,333
blowing through very quickly. And we sit

912
01:34:29,333 --> 01:34:31,541
and wait, which we do sometimes. Yeah,

913
01:34:31,541 --> 01:34:33,750
maybe it's going to be really bad in that location for the next

914
01:34:33,791 --> 01:34:38,833
three days. And then we look at our other

915
01:34:38,833 --> 01:34:45,208
locations on our a couple years ago, we a

916
01:34:45,208 --> 01:34:48,458
really big storm was coming through. And

917
01:34:48,458 --> 01:34:50,291
it was going to impact all of our sites.

918
01:34:50,291 --> 01:34:52,958
And we actually ran away from the storm

919
01:34:52,958 --> 01:34:55,791
and hunkered down for over a day off the

920
01:34:55,791 --> 01:34:57,583
coast of Oregon, because that was the

921
01:34:57,583 --> 01:34:59,333
only place that we wouldn't get pummeled.

922
01:34:59,875 --> 01:35:02,791
Right. So it happens. And so when we're doing our part, we're going to have to do a little bit of a

923
01:35:03,791 --> 01:35:07,541
planning, like we we oversubscribe

924
01:35:07,541 --> 01:35:10,750
ourselves. So we plan to to do more

925
01:35:10,750 --> 01:35:12,708
things than we could ever possibly get

926
01:35:12,708 --> 01:35:16,625
done. Because maybe the weather is going

927
01:35:16,625 --> 01:35:18,791
to be great the whole time. And we could

928
01:35:18,791 --> 01:35:22,541
get nearly all of it done. Typically, we

929
01:35:22,541 --> 01:35:25,166
were down for a little bit during the

930
01:35:25,166 --> 01:35:27,333
weather. Sometimes when the weather is

931
01:35:27,333 --> 01:35:30,833
too bad to dive for safety reasons with

932
01:35:30,833 --> 01:35:32,791
the ROV, depending on the vessel that we have, we can get it done.

933
01:35:33,791 --> 01:35:34,750
And so we have sometimes we can spend

934
01:35:34,750 --> 01:35:38,875
some time mapping. So using using a multi

935
01:35:38,875 --> 01:35:43,083
beam mapping system. Yeah, exactly. And

936
01:35:43,083 --> 01:35:46,208
so just kind of mapping the gaps and

937
01:35:46,208 --> 01:35:49,458
collecting data just to be somewhat

938
01:35:49,458 --> 01:35:50,708
useful while we're waiting for the

939
01:35:50,708 --> 01:35:52,125
weather to settle down.

940
01:35:52,791 --> 01:35:55,375
Yeah. Now, Josh, when you deployed the

941
01:35:55,375 --> 01:35:58,208
ROV, I've never been part of that. I've

942
01:35:58,208 --> 01:35:59,583
never had the pleasure of being a part of

943
01:35:59,583 --> 01:36:02,625
that kind of excursion. Is the ROV

944
01:36:02,625 --> 01:36:04,916
tethered to to the boat at all times?

945
01:36:04,916 --> 01:36:06,541
Like there's a cable that goes down that

946
01:36:06,541 --> 01:36:08,916
that that allows you to talk to the ROV

947
01:36:08,916 --> 01:36:10,416
in a way in a sense?

948
01:36:10,791 --> 01:36:13,625
Yes, yes. I mean, it's kind of the

949
01:36:13,625 --> 01:36:15,875
definition of an ROV remotely operated

950
01:36:15,875 --> 01:36:19,000
vehicle. They're always to be designated

951
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:22,708
as an ROV. You're tethered to a ship or

952
01:36:22,708 --> 01:36:26,250
to a vessel or a dock if you want. So

953
01:36:26,250 --> 01:36:28,541
there are autonomous

954
01:36:28,541 --> 01:36:30,750
underwater vehicles, AUVs that are not.

955
01:36:30,791 --> 01:36:32,125
But they're used for a totally different

956
01:36:32,125 --> 01:36:34,916
purpose. And for for for Ocean Networks

957
01:36:34,916 --> 01:36:36,958
Canada, we need to obviously we need to

958
01:36:36,958 --> 01:36:38,833
be operating our manipulators and we need

959
01:36:38,833 --> 01:36:41,208
to see the live view of the camera. So we

960
01:36:41,208 --> 01:36:44,541
need the tether, which is almost 7000

961
01:36:44,541 --> 01:36:47,000
meters long on a giant winch that's on

962
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:50,166
board and contain our power conductors

963
01:36:50,166 --> 01:36:52,666
and fiber optics to get the data up to

964
01:36:52,666 --> 01:36:54,291
the surface and down to the ROV.

965
01:36:54,958 --> 01:36:59,625
So yes, always tethered, which, you know,

966
01:36:59,625 --> 01:37:04,416
is is always it's the hardest thing to to

967
01:37:04,416 --> 01:37:06,791
manage for ROV pilots. If you can manage

968
01:37:06,791 --> 01:37:10,708
your tether through all that water when

969
01:37:10,708 --> 01:37:13,250
you're really deep, then you can you can

970
01:37:13,250 --> 01:37:14,958
work usually just fine.

971
01:37:16,375 --> 01:37:19,041
So that's it's a big part of ROV. The

972
01:37:19,041 --> 01:37:20,500
tether is flexible, though, right? It's

973
01:37:20,500 --> 01:37:22,000
just like it's cables. It's not like a

974
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:23,750
metal. Is it a metal piece?

975
01:37:23,791 --> 01:37:27,833
Well, there's there's multiple types. So

976
01:37:27,833 --> 01:37:31,375
we have several ROVs and really the two

977
01:37:31,375 --> 01:37:34,125
main types are soft, heather and armored.

978
01:37:34,833 --> 01:37:38,208
So a soft tether would be wrapped in a

979
01:37:38,208 --> 01:37:41,375
rubber and be easily bendable.

980
01:37:42,791 --> 01:37:43,208
And the other thing is, you know, a lot

981
01:37:43,208 --> 01:37:43,875
of the work is better for certain

982
01:37:43,875 --> 01:37:46,875
applications, but Ocean Networks Canada

983
01:37:46,875 --> 01:37:50,250
requires through framelifts of our

984
01:37:50,250 --> 01:37:53,000
vehicle. So we use our vehicle to attach

985
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:56,375
to scientific platforms subsea.

986
01:38:04,791 --> 01:38:05,583
And then we have an armored umbilical,

987
01:38:05,875 --> 01:38:08,416
which is very, very strong. We can pick

988
01:38:08,416 --> 01:38:10,666
up the ROV off the sea floor while we're

989
01:38:10,666 --> 01:38:12,583
latched into things that are thousands of

990
01:38:12,583 --> 01:38:15,083
pounds. And then we can bring them all

991
01:38:15,083 --> 01:38:18,000
the way up to the ship. So that's why we

992
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,833
have an armored umbilical on our deep ROV

993
01:38:20,833 --> 01:38:23,916
so that we can use it as basically a

994
01:38:23,916 --> 01:38:28,041
really deep crane almost to deploy and

995
01:38:28,041 --> 01:38:29,458
everything should see for.

996
01:38:30,791 --> 01:38:32,666
Cool. So that's why, you know, all the

997
01:38:32,666 --> 01:38:34,041
currents that happen within the water

998
01:38:34,041 --> 01:38:35,458
column, however different they are, as

999
01:38:35,458 --> 01:38:38,500
you go down deeper, that that matters

1000
01:38:38,500 --> 01:38:40,791
when it comes to these tethers and how

1001
01:38:40,791 --> 01:38:43,875
the ROV is is operated. Let's talk about

1002
01:38:43,875 --> 01:38:45,625
when you get I wanted to kind of hit on

1003
01:38:45,625 --> 01:38:47,875
this this ROV when you guys are operating

1004
01:38:47,875 --> 01:38:50,833
the ROV, you're in a little room, I

1005
01:38:50,833 --> 01:38:52,916
assume, or a container depending on the

1006
01:38:52,916 --> 01:38:55,083
ROV on the ship. And who's in the

1007
01:38:55,083 --> 01:38:56,208
container when you do this? Obviously,

1008
01:38:56,208 --> 01:38:57,541
Josh, you're probably in this operating

1009
01:38:57,541 --> 01:38:59,750
it. Dirk, are you in it as well?

1010
01:38:59,791 --> 01:39:03,125
Yeah, so normally for every ROV shift,

1011
01:39:03,125 --> 01:39:05,958
there'd be a ONC dive lead. And that

1012
01:39:05,958 --> 01:39:08,500
would be either myself. It's normally me

1013
01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:10,833
or Megan or we have another person here

1014
01:39:10,833 --> 01:39:13,083
and we kind of rotate shifts as well. And

1015
01:39:13,083 --> 01:39:14,458
we'll just go through the dive plan and

1016
01:39:14,458 --> 01:39:16,750
kind of pivot as as things aren't going

1017
01:39:16,750 --> 01:39:18,958
to work as expected anyway. So yeah,

1018
01:39:19,791 --> 01:39:20,791
there'd be a senior person

1019
01:39:20,791 --> 01:39:21,750
there every time from one C.

1020
01:39:21,791 --> 01:39:23,541
Okay, and then that's where like that

1021
01:39:23,541 --> 01:39:25,041
person's like, okay, this is what we want

1022
01:39:25,041 --> 01:39:26,916
to accomplish on the dive. Let's see if

1023
01:39:26,916 --> 01:39:28,416
we can find what we need to find and

1024
01:39:28,416 --> 01:39:29,958
where we're going. And then Josh, your,

1025
01:39:29,958 --> 01:39:32,416
your focus is more of just operating the

1026
01:39:32,416 --> 01:39:34,708
ROV, making sure it's in a safe spot. And

1027
01:39:34,708 --> 01:39:37,083
then there are arms on these ROVs and you

1028
01:39:37,083 --> 01:39:38,875
actually start to handle things.

1029
01:39:39,791 --> 01:39:42,000
Yeah, can you talk can you talk about

1030
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,875
that? Because I still I don't know if my

1031
01:39:43,875 --> 01:39:46,125
brain just doesn't fathom how difficult

1032
01:39:46,125 --> 01:39:48,375
it must be to be able to operate these

1033
01:39:48,375 --> 01:39:52,500
arms in like at depth. When you you know,

1034
01:39:52,666 --> 01:39:55,791
it's clarity a problem sometimes I can

1035
01:39:55,791 --> 01:39:57,166
you talk a little bit about what happens

1036
01:39:57,166 --> 01:39:59,125
when you get to the point of where you

1037
01:39:59,125 --> 01:40:00,875
want to go, and you have to start doing

1038
01:40:00,875 --> 01:40:03,333
your your maintenance or whatever the

1039
01:40:03,333 --> 01:40:04,750
purpose of that dive is.

1040
01:40:04,791 --> 01:40:08,875
Sure, absolutely. Just, first of all, as

1041
01:40:08,875 --> 01:40:10,958
far as God leads from ocean risk Canada,

1042
01:40:10,958 --> 01:40:12,541
I have some that I like and some that I

1043
01:40:12,541 --> 01:40:13,958
don't put that on the record. I'm not

1044
01:40:13,958 --> 01:40:17,208
going to say who world boss over there.

1045
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:23,291
But yeah, okay, so visibility is always

1046
01:40:23,291 --> 01:40:25,708
tough. Certain sites that ocean risk

1047
01:40:25,708 --> 01:40:32,083
Canada picks make me want to just I, I

1048
01:40:32,083 --> 01:40:33,333
get so angry sometimes

1049
01:40:33,333 --> 01:40:33,750
Andrew, it's a good thing.

1050
01:40:33,791 --> 01:40:36,625
Andrew, because when you when you can't

1051
01:40:36,625 --> 01:40:37,833
see what's in front of you with the

1052
01:40:37,833 --> 01:40:39,791
cameras that you're trying to do

1053
01:40:39,791 --> 01:40:41,791
manipulations, it's obviously it's very

1054
01:40:41,791 --> 01:40:44,625
difficult. But we've been doing that for

1055
01:40:44,625 --> 01:40:47,625
many years. I joke around that it makes

1056
01:40:47,625 --> 01:40:49,208
me it doesn't make me angry. It's just a

1057
01:40:49,208 --> 01:40:51,083
more difficult situation. But the science

1058
01:40:51,083 --> 01:40:53,750
needs to be conducted in these areas,

1059
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:57,041
specifically, because of certain effects

1060
01:40:57,041 --> 01:41:00,083
that make their to turbidity. So, you

1061
01:41:00,083 --> 01:41:02,458
know, so bad. So there's several

1062
01:41:02,458 --> 01:41:02,750
instruments we can use.

1063
01:41:02,791 --> 01:41:07,500
Multigree sonar's and acoustic cameras to

1064
01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:10,375
to kind of see through it and employing

1065
01:41:10,375 --> 01:41:12,208
modes and getting better and better at

1066
01:41:12,208 --> 01:41:15,458
that over the years. And then as far as

1067
01:41:15,458 --> 01:41:19,125
manipulations go, so we basically we have

1068
01:41:19,125 --> 01:41:21,583
two, what we call seven functions

1069
01:41:21,583 --> 01:41:23,666
spatially correspondent manipulators on

1070
01:41:23,666 --> 01:41:24,541
the vehicle one on

1071
01:41:24,541 --> 01:41:24,750
each side at the front.

1072
01:41:24,791 --> 01:41:26,875
You know, each side at the front and

1073
01:41:26,875 --> 01:41:29,041
spatially correspondent means that we

1074
01:41:29,041 --> 01:41:31,791
have a miniature version of the arm

1075
01:41:31,791 --> 01:41:36,250
inside the control van, we call it. And

1076
01:41:36,250 --> 01:41:38,875
for each arm and a person sits there and

1077
01:41:38,875 --> 01:41:42,000
when they move that controller in the arm

1078
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:43,166
will move exactly as

1079
01:41:43,166 --> 01:41:43,750
the controllers move.

1080
01:41:43,791 --> 01:41:46,541
Oh, okay.

1081
01:41:46,541 --> 01:41:48,458
And they move the controller around the

1082
01:41:48,458 --> 01:41:51,291
arm will follow and it's almost instant

1083
01:41:51,291 --> 01:41:53,916
and we need to have that ability. They're

1084
01:41:53,916 --> 01:41:57,416
very advanced, you know, expensive pieces

1085
01:41:57,416 --> 01:42:00,083
of machinery and engineering. We need

1086
01:42:00,083 --> 01:42:04,208
them to do the delicate science to do the

1087
01:42:04,208 --> 01:42:05,833
operations that is

1088
01:42:05,833 --> 01:42:06,750
required by Ocean Networks Canada.

1089
01:42:06,791 --> 01:42:11,166
So it's, you know, it's a very, very fun

1090
01:42:11,166 --> 01:42:13,083
part of the job, of course, but also,

1091
01:42:13,083 --> 01:42:17,041
again, can be extremely stressful. If

1092
01:42:17,041 --> 01:42:21,291
anybody watches, it takes about, I don't

1093
01:42:21,291 --> 01:42:23,250
know, any floor from 10 to 100 times

1094
01:42:23,250 --> 01:42:25,000
longer to do something with those arms

1095
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:26,583
than it would for you to do

1096
01:42:26,583 --> 01:42:27,750
something with your own arm.

1097
01:42:27,791 --> 01:42:28,833
Yeah.

1098
01:42:28,833 --> 01:42:31,708
Online. So it's a, it can be tough.

1099
01:42:32,333 --> 01:42:33,875
Well, and also you're in an environment

1100
01:42:33,875 --> 01:42:36,166
that's very different. Obviously it's the

1101
01:42:36,166 --> 01:42:38,833
deep sea in many of these cases. And

1102
01:42:38,833 --> 01:42:41,041
there are there are critters as Megan

1103
01:42:41,041 --> 01:42:43,291
likes to call them critters in the deep

1104
01:42:43,291 --> 01:42:47,000
sea. Have you ever had, you know, can you

1105
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,125
talk about some of the experiences that

1106
01:42:49,125 --> 01:42:51,166
you've had where a critter comes in is

1107
01:42:51,166 --> 01:42:52,750
like just curious about what they see.

1108
01:42:52,791 --> 01:42:54,833
They're probably like, what is this? What

1109
01:42:54,833 --> 01:42:56,708
is this critter? Like, what is going on

1110
01:42:56,708 --> 01:42:58,916
here? Do you get any, any kind of animals

1111
01:42:58,916 --> 01:43:00,166
that come in and just kind of play around

1112
01:43:00,166 --> 01:43:01,416
with the arms or try and touch the arms

1113
01:43:01,416 --> 01:43:01,958
because they're curious.

1114
01:43:03,083 --> 01:43:05,750
So mostly the arms, what will and be

1115
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:08,375
curious about those always octopus. Yeah.

1116
01:43:08,375 --> 01:43:10,916
And it's always the coolest best thing

1117
01:43:10,916 --> 01:43:13,833
that we encounter. We will go to plug

1118
01:43:13,833 --> 01:43:15,166
something in for us, networks, Canada,

1119
01:43:15,166 --> 01:43:17,041
and there will be an octopus hiding kind

1120
01:43:17,041 --> 01:43:18,333
of using a platform and

1121
01:43:18,333 --> 01:43:19,750
this for platform as it's den.

1122
01:43:20,083 --> 01:43:22,625
And sometimes they'll be basically right

1123
01:43:22,625 --> 01:43:25,958
in the way. And we don't want to, you

1124
01:43:25,958 --> 01:43:28,250
know, scare or hurt these animals. So we

1125
01:43:28,250 --> 01:43:30,541
have to sort of use the manipulator and

1126
01:43:30,541 --> 01:43:32,583
try and they usually at that point, then

1127
01:43:32,583 --> 01:43:33,625
they'll reach out and

1128
01:43:33,625 --> 01:43:34,750
they'll, they'll grab onto you.

1129
01:43:34,791 --> 01:43:37,583
And obviously it's not dangerous to the

1130
01:43:37,583 --> 01:43:39,416
ROV in any way, but it's extremely

1131
01:43:39,416 --> 01:43:43,166
interesting and really fun. I mean, I

1132
01:43:43,166 --> 01:43:44,833
joke around with my friends that I'm out

1133
01:43:44,833 --> 01:43:46,708
fighting off octopus all the time trying

1134
01:43:46,708 --> 01:43:48,458
to get them out of our way.

1135
01:43:48,791 --> 01:43:51,958
A lot of crabs too, Josh. A lot of crabs.

1136
01:43:53,208 --> 01:43:56,291
I'm sort of like coming into the into the

1137
01:43:56,291 --> 01:43:56,750
frame of the camera.

1138
01:43:56,791 --> 01:44:00,750
Yeah, they want to very slowly. Yeah.

1139
01:44:00,750 --> 01:44:03,541
Yeah. But they they they get their they

1140
01:44:03,541 --> 01:44:05,041
see the arms. Yeah, they're brave.

1141
01:44:05,041 --> 01:44:08,541
They're like, okay, let's go. Yeah. I

1142
01:44:08,541 --> 01:44:09,041
don't know what I get

1143
01:44:09,041 --> 01:44:10,750
myself into, but I'm ready. Yeah.

1144
01:44:10,791 --> 01:44:12,916
Yeah. Well, I can I can oppose this all

1145
01:44:12,916 --> 01:44:14,791
three of you. What's been the most

1146
01:44:14,791 --> 01:44:17,041
interesting thing that's happened while

1147
01:44:17,041 --> 01:44:20,166
deploying an ROV down at those depths

1148
01:44:20,166 --> 01:44:21,916
while doing work down there? What's been

1149
01:44:21,916 --> 01:44:23,750
the most interesting thing that's

1150
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:25,750
happened to it could be individually or

1151
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:26,583
is it as a team when

1152
01:44:26,583 --> 01:44:28,166
you're when you're down there?

1153
01:44:29,458 --> 01:44:31,000
I think I can start one of the.

1154
01:44:32,541 --> 01:44:33,208
Oh, go ahead, Derek.

1155
01:44:34,541 --> 01:44:36,458
Yeah. So one of the ones you don't expect

1156
01:44:36,458 --> 01:44:37,916
as we have these instruments that are

1157
01:44:37,916 --> 01:44:40,000
called fenthic and resist resistivity

1158
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,125
sensors bars is what they look like. You

1159
01:44:42,125 --> 01:44:44,666
know, the tubes at once and you go to a

1160
01:44:44,666 --> 01:44:46,291
hydrothermal vent like the black smoker

1161
01:44:46,291 --> 01:44:49,083
spewing out the hydrothermal fluid and

1162
01:44:49,083 --> 01:44:51,500
you put the wand inside inside there and

1163
01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:54,166
it measures temperature and resistivity

1164
01:44:54,166 --> 01:44:54,750
of the of the fluid.

1165
01:44:54,833 --> 01:44:57,541
But then you come back a year or two

1166
01:44:57,541 --> 01:45:00,125
later and the whole instrument is now

1167
01:45:00,125 --> 01:45:02,166
part of the rock since the road is

1168
01:45:02,166 --> 01:45:04,125
growing as it's being deposited. The

1169
01:45:04,125 --> 01:45:06,083
rocks actually growing around it and then

1170
01:45:06,083 --> 01:45:07,416
there's no way to get it out. It's now

1171
01:45:07,416 --> 01:45:10,416
part of it. So there's been a situation

1172
01:45:10,416 --> 01:45:12,250
where we can't actually remove it. It's

1173
01:45:12,250 --> 01:45:14,083
been completely engulfed over the course

1174
01:45:14,083 --> 01:45:17,458
of like a lot of times it's completely

1175
01:45:17,458 --> 01:45:19,583
melted ruined. Yeah. Yeah. Not working.

1176
01:45:20,083 --> 01:45:22,500
Yeah. But it's not so much that's like

1177
01:45:22,500 --> 01:45:23,500
there's also cool stuff that

1178
01:45:23,500 --> 01:45:23,750
happens because the unique.

1179
01:45:23,791 --> 01:45:27,250
Like situation of operating ROV subsea

1180
01:45:27,250 --> 01:45:30,750
the ship is actually stationary for you

1181
01:45:30,750 --> 01:45:32,666
know, hours sometimes 36 hours because

1182
01:45:32,666 --> 01:45:34,166
the ROV is there and now you're offshore

1183
01:45:34,166 --> 01:45:36,166
sitting in the middle plot basically

1184
01:45:36,166 --> 01:45:38,833
without moving and when the weather gets

1185
01:45:38,833 --> 01:45:41,291
really thick or what they called socked

1186
01:45:41,291 --> 01:45:43,541
in all the lights from the ship is kind

1187
01:45:43,541 --> 01:45:45,750
of contained within that bubble on the

1188
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:47,541
surface. Yeah. Over the course of the

1189
01:45:47,541 --> 01:45:49,291
night since nothing's moving you get the

1190
01:45:49,291 --> 01:45:51,125
bait fish you get all the bait you get

1191
01:45:51,125 --> 01:45:52,333
there if you didn't come in and then

1192
01:45:52,333 --> 01:45:52,750
becomes a feeding frenzy. So.

1193
01:45:52,791 --> 01:45:56,041
You've got I don't know we've seen one

1194
01:45:56,041 --> 01:45:58,541
night you could see millions uncountable

1195
01:45:58,541 --> 01:46:01,041
amount of fish but then also sunfish and

1196
01:46:01,041 --> 01:46:03,916
sharks and dolphins all just all nights

1197
01:46:03,916 --> 01:46:06,166
warming around the vessel. It's pretty

1198
01:46:06,166 --> 01:46:08,000
cool. I don't think you get that unless

1199
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,666
you're getting the ROV down below as well

1200
01:46:09,666 --> 01:46:11,916
for that long. Right. Right. That's kind

1201
01:46:11,916 --> 01:46:14,375
of a cool thing. That's amazing. That's

1202
01:46:14,375 --> 01:46:15,916
pretty cool. Megan. Do you have a did you

1203
01:46:15,916 --> 01:46:18,083
have a different story that's happened to

1204
01:46:18,083 --> 01:46:18,958
you where that's really

1205
01:46:18,958 --> 01:46:20,750
memorable. Well, I'll tell a couple.

1206
01:46:21,791 --> 01:46:26,583
So one of our sites is the endeavor

1207
01:46:26,583 --> 01:46:28,875
hydrothermal vents that Dirk was talking

1208
01:46:28,875 --> 01:46:33,000
about a little bit and I remember kind of

1209
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:34,916
like one of my first cruises going there

1210
01:46:34,916 --> 01:46:37,166
and you know I didn't really know that

1211
01:46:37,166 --> 01:46:39,708
much about them but you know the ROV goes

1212
01:46:39,708 --> 01:46:42,541
down and it's kind of like

1213
01:46:42,541 --> 01:46:42,750
you're on a different planet.

1214
01:46:42,791 --> 01:46:46,875
So there's there's all these hydrothermal

1215
01:46:46,875 --> 01:46:49,166
vents that look like spires and there's

1216
01:46:49,166 --> 01:46:51,750
like what looks like black smoke coming

1217
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:56,000
out of them and and it's kind of shocking

1218
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:59,458
and and the fact that the ROV can like

1219
01:46:59,458 --> 01:47:02,833
navigate around these vent structures

1220
01:47:02,833 --> 01:47:05,750
because you might turn a corner and then

1221
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:08,416
because you don't have the same sort of

1222
01:47:08,416 --> 01:47:10,916
spatial awareness that you do as a human

1223
01:47:10,916 --> 01:47:11,750
with like peripheral vision and

1224
01:47:11,791 --> 01:47:14,791
necessarily like you'll you'll turn the

1225
01:47:14,791 --> 01:47:16,625
corner and then in the frame there'll be

1226
01:47:16,625 --> 01:47:19,416
this huge hydrothermal vent tower like

1227
01:47:19,416 --> 01:47:26,000
whoa. Yeah. It's pretty magical and and

1228
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:28,000
kind of shocking because you're you're

1229
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,000
you're floating on the ship above it and

1230
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,500
you're like whoa. It's like this this sci

1231
01:47:33,500 --> 01:47:36,291
fi universe just straight down below

1232
01:47:36,291 --> 01:47:38,625
where we're sitting right now. It's

1233
01:47:38,625 --> 01:47:40,791
pretty epic. And then I'll tell one other thing. So yeah, I think that's a great thing.

1234
01:47:41,791 --> 01:47:42,291
Yeah, for sure.

1235
01:47:44,833 --> 01:47:47,208
We were on an expedition this past June

1236
01:47:47,208 --> 01:47:52,916
and we'd finished all of our dives and we

1237
01:47:52,916 --> 01:47:55,125
had a like a couple of hours before we

1238
01:47:55,125 --> 01:47:57,791
had to leave to be back to the dock in

1239
01:47:57,791 --> 01:48:02,250
time and it was lunch time and everybody

1240
01:48:02,250 --> 01:48:04,416
was kind of sitting outside eating lunch

1241
01:48:04,416 --> 01:48:08,500
and these humpback whales just were

1242
01:48:08,500 --> 01:48:10,750
playing in front of the ship for

1243
01:48:10,791 --> 01:48:13,458
and we didn't we didn't have to leave yet

1244
01:48:13,458 --> 01:48:16,750
and nobody was on shift anymore. So we

1245
01:48:16,750 --> 01:48:20,375
just it was this this epic, you know,

1246
01:48:20,666 --> 01:48:23,875
whale watching situation and we could

1247
01:48:23,875 --> 01:48:27,333
just sit there for an hour and the whole

1248
01:48:27,333 --> 01:48:30,166
crew was outside. I would imagine running

1249
01:48:30,166 --> 01:48:32,125
from one side of the vessel to the other

1250
01:48:32,125 --> 01:48:34,208
as as we were watching these humpbacks

1251
01:48:34,208 --> 01:48:35,750
playing and slapping.

1252
01:48:35,791 --> 01:48:40,291
I want to say it got up to five. Wow. Do

1253
01:48:40,291 --> 01:48:43,000
you remember that right, Dirk? Yeah,

1254
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:44,458
there's a few groups that travel through

1255
01:48:44,458 --> 01:48:45,958
during the dive and at the end they were

1256
01:48:45,958 --> 01:48:48,041
kind of the last stragglers are kind of

1257
01:48:48,041 --> 01:48:50,125
just playing. We eventually think they

1258
01:48:50,125 --> 01:48:52,125
were playing in the bow thruster as a

1259
01:48:52,125 --> 01:48:54,041
ship holding station. They were just like

1260
01:48:54,041 --> 01:48:57,041
getting that blow of the thruster, right?

1261
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:59,916
It was a it was a pretty magical way to

1262
01:48:59,916 --> 01:49:01,750
to finish an expedition.

1263
01:49:02,791 --> 01:49:06,041
Yeah, I mean, it's it's really great when

1264
01:49:06,041 --> 01:49:08,625
you can you almost have your you know,

1265
01:49:08,625 --> 01:49:10,583
your your environmental documentary right

1266
01:49:10,583 --> 01:49:11,708
in front of you. Yeah, you know, where

1267
01:49:11,708 --> 01:49:13,708
you just see the beautiful scenery, you

1268
01:49:13,708 --> 01:49:15,500
know, the ocean in the background, the

1269
01:49:15,500 --> 01:49:17,541
horizon and then you've got you've got

1270
01:49:17,541 --> 01:49:19,291
whales just playing in front of your ship

1271
01:49:19,291 --> 01:49:20,666
and you know, and you're then you're off

1272
01:49:20,666 --> 01:49:21,958
and that's that's probably the best way

1273
01:49:21,958 --> 01:49:23,750
to to kind of end your shift, I think.

1274
01:49:23,791 --> 01:49:26,000
Yeah, and there's definitely you know,

1275
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,166
you talk about some days where you're

1276
01:49:28,166 --> 01:49:29,875
like, there's not enough money in the

1277
01:49:29,875 --> 01:49:32,083
world that you can pay me to keep doing

1278
01:49:32,083 --> 01:49:34,166
this, especially if you're if you're

1279
01:49:34,166 --> 01:49:36,916
seasick and it's rough and it's just oh,

1280
01:49:37,500 --> 01:49:39,416
and then on the flip side, there's days

1281
01:49:39,416 --> 01:49:40,625
where you're like, I can't believe I'm

1282
01:49:40,625 --> 01:49:42,500
getting paid to do this right now. This

1283
01:49:42,500 --> 01:49:43,750
is absolutely incredible.

1284
01:49:43,791 --> 01:49:48,458
Yeah, no, it's it's it's it's amazing. I

1285
01:49:48,458 --> 01:49:50,583
want to just talk a little bit about the

1286
01:49:50,583 --> 01:49:53,458
challenges that we have, like out at sea,

1287
01:49:53,958 --> 01:49:55,708
you know, obviously, we've talked about

1288
01:49:55,708 --> 01:49:58,125
nothing works perfectly. It's it's it can

1289
01:49:58,125 --> 01:50:02,250
be very hectic. Josh, for the ROV, what

1290
01:50:02,250 --> 01:50:04,708
are the biggest challenges? Obviously,

1291
01:50:04,708 --> 01:50:06,166
visibility is one we've we've kind of

1292
01:50:06,166 --> 01:50:07,458
touched upon in a bit of the currents. Is

1293
01:50:07,458 --> 01:50:08,958
there anything else that becomes a

1294
01:50:08,958 --> 01:50:10,416
challenge? Or is your

1295
01:50:10,416 --> 01:50:10,750
you just got an easy job?

1296
01:50:10,791 --> 01:50:14,250
It's not easy. It's a yeah, I actually

1297
01:50:14,250 --> 01:50:15,541
don't really do anything. It's just

1298
01:50:15,541 --> 01:50:18,916
robot. It's very true. It's very true.

1299
01:50:19,791 --> 01:50:23,250
Really easy. I could do that one. Yeah,

1300
01:50:24,083 --> 01:50:26,458
Josh, Josh mostly just calls it in. Yeah,

1301
01:50:26,458 --> 01:50:29,333
I don't actually come out of my my bunk.

1302
01:50:29,708 --> 01:50:34,541
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, so it's, it's a

1303
01:50:34,541 --> 01:50:36,750
the most dynamic environment to work in.

1304
01:50:36,791 --> 01:50:41,666
It that we know of currently in the I

1305
01:50:41,666 --> 01:50:43,000
would say in the universe. And the reason

1306
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,083
I say that is because yes, we can get to

1307
01:50:45,083 --> 01:50:47,583
space. But when you're in space, you have

1308
01:50:47,583 --> 01:50:50,541
a one atmosphere. It's a vacuum, but

1309
01:50:50,541 --> 01:50:54,458
that's it. You know, it's it's it doesn't

1310
01:50:54,458 --> 01:50:57,750
change where you go in space, say, but if

1311
01:50:57,750 --> 01:51:00,625
you go in the deep ocean, every meter

1312
01:51:00,625 --> 01:51:02,958
deeper that you put your RV into the

1313
01:51:02,958 --> 01:51:04,541
ocean there, the water pressure increases

1314
01:51:04,541 --> 01:51:04,750
because of the weight of weight of the water. Right.

1315
01:51:04,791 --> 01:51:05,833
And that's because of the weight of

1316
01:51:05,833 --> 01:51:07,416
weight of the water above you, of course.

1317
01:51:07,625 --> 01:51:11,333
So so the biggest challenge in or obese

1318
01:51:11,333 --> 01:51:13,708
general is is especially when you're

1319
01:51:13,708 --> 01:51:16,750
going really deep to 3000 meters is

1320
01:51:16,750 --> 01:51:21,000
making sure that all your systems are are

1321
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:25,333
built properly and maintained properly so

1322
01:51:25,333 --> 01:51:27,666
that water doesn't creep into anywhere

1323
01:51:27,666 --> 01:51:28,583
you don't want it to.

1324
01:51:28,791 --> 01:51:30,375
And so it's a very highly advanced piece

1325
01:51:30,375 --> 01:51:31,958
of robotics that you're throwing into

1326
01:51:31,958 --> 01:51:35,250
salt water under pressure that's changing

1327
01:51:35,250 --> 01:51:38,000
all the time. So that's the you know,

1328
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,125
that's that's problem number one. Now

1329
01:51:40,125 --> 01:51:42,208
that's more or less been solved over the

1330
01:51:42,208 --> 01:51:43,291
years of our engineering.

1331
01:51:43,791 --> 01:51:47,291
But then the dynamics of the job, the

1332
01:51:47,291 --> 01:51:48,875
other dynamics is obviously the weather

1333
01:51:48,875 --> 01:51:52,250
solution, the ship has problems in the

1334
01:51:52,250 --> 01:51:55,625
weather holding station or can make

1335
01:51:55,625 --> 01:51:57,750
launch and recovery dangerous if you if

1336
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:59,000
you do it in two high seas.

1337
01:51:59,333 --> 01:52:02,041
So that's another issue that we face

1338
01:52:02,041 --> 01:52:06,500
commonly. And then visibility, like we

1339
01:52:06,500 --> 01:52:07,666
mentioned, that can be one.

1340
01:52:07,708 --> 01:52:10,125
Sometimes we have great visibility,

1341
01:52:10,125 --> 01:52:11,583
especially at the deeper sites. So that's

1342
01:52:11,583 --> 01:52:14,625
not an issue. Currents, though, ocean

1343
01:52:14,625 --> 01:52:16,875
currents can be a very large issue. We

1344
01:52:16,875 --> 01:52:18,666
have a cruise in March coming up where

1345
01:52:18,666 --> 01:52:20,541
we'll be doing some work where the

1346
01:52:20,541 --> 01:52:23,666
currents can be really, really just

1347
01:52:23,666 --> 01:52:25,166
terrible to work in.

1348
01:52:25,166 --> 01:52:27,625
For example, we've launched an ROV once

1349
01:52:27,625 --> 01:52:30,500
and of course we know what the surface

1350
01:52:30,500 --> 01:52:33,333
current is doing from from just looking

1351
01:52:33,333 --> 01:52:35,000
over the side of the ship. So we put the

1352
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,333
ROV in and we we face the ship. So the

1353
01:52:37,333 --> 01:52:39,250
ROV will get swept by the current away

1354
01:52:39,250 --> 01:52:40,666
from the ship to a safe spot.

1355
01:52:41,083 --> 01:52:43,583
But once we dove 10 meters down, the

1356
01:52:43,583 --> 01:52:45,541
current was going in complete opposite

1357
01:52:45,541 --> 01:52:47,875
direction. And we could not tell that we

1358
01:52:47,875 --> 01:52:49,333
didn't have an instrumentation to know.

1359
01:52:49,333 --> 01:52:51,583
So the ROV went 10 meters down and we're

1360
01:52:51,583 --> 01:52:52,666
diving and all of a sudden it starts

1361
01:52:52,666 --> 01:52:54,750
getting pushed directly underneath the

1362
01:52:54,750 --> 01:52:56,333
ship, which is very dangerous.

1363
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:59,541
Yeah. So, you know, that that can be one

1364
01:52:59,541 --> 01:53:02,291
for sure. Yeah, definitely. Definitely a

1365
01:53:02,291 --> 01:53:04,125
change. I mean, there's a lot of I'm

1366
01:53:04,125 --> 01:53:04,666
sorry, go ahead, make gifts.

1367
01:53:04,666 --> 01:53:07,166
Oh, I was gonna say, Josh, you can tell

1368
01:53:07,166 --> 01:53:09,375
Andrew about your very highly

1369
01:53:09,375 --> 01:53:10,791
sophisticated surface

1370
01:53:10,791 --> 01:53:13,000
current check before launching.

1371
01:53:14,750 --> 01:53:16,750
I'm so glad that you brought that up

1372
01:53:16,750 --> 01:53:20,291
again. Well, you're also my I have a very

1373
01:53:20,291 --> 01:53:23,916
advanced instrument. I go over to the

1374
01:53:23,916 --> 01:53:26,291
side of the ship and I spit into the

1375
01:53:26,291 --> 01:53:29,541
water and I watch sit and see how fast

1376
01:53:29,541 --> 01:53:30,541
and what direction it

1377
01:53:30,541 --> 01:53:31,666
goes. Very scientific.

1378
01:53:31,666 --> 01:53:34,541
And yeah, and it usually works pretty

1379
01:53:34,541 --> 01:53:38,250
well. Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine

1380
01:53:38,250 --> 01:53:41,000
now. I want to kind of bring up there's

1381
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:44,208
there's a story that I've heard about an

1382
01:53:44,208 --> 01:53:45,916
ROV deciding to go on

1383
01:53:45,916 --> 01:53:47,416
its own trip at one point.

1384
01:53:47,916 --> 01:53:50,125
And you know, in a way, it's a bit of a

1385
01:53:50,125 --> 01:53:52,041
one of your scientific studies, I guess,

1386
01:53:52,041 --> 01:53:53,416
of finding out currents and where they

1387
01:53:53,416 --> 01:53:56,041
go. Can you talk a little bit about Josh,

1388
01:53:56,041 --> 01:53:57,375
where an ROV ended up

1389
01:53:57,375 --> 01:53:59,208
off the coast of Oregon?

1390
01:54:00,916 --> 01:54:04,291
Sure, absolutely. No problem. This is my

1391
01:54:04,291 --> 01:54:06,000
story of what I like to say is the

1392
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,500
longest ROV dive ever because it was in

1393
01:54:08,500 --> 01:54:12,000
the water for two weeks straight. We were

1394
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:15,000
installing an outfall pipe, which is a

1395
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:16,666
pipe that comes from a sewage tank.

1396
01:54:16,666 --> 01:54:18,708
Comes from a sewage treatment plant in

1397
01:54:18,708 --> 01:54:21,750
Victoria and then disperses treated

1398
01:54:21,750 --> 01:54:25,166
sewage in deep into the ocean properly.

1399
01:54:25,583 --> 01:54:27,333
We were installing a new one a few years

1400
01:54:27,333 --> 01:54:33,583
ago. And as pretty much every time we've

1401
01:54:33,583 --> 01:54:36,291
had a major issue, there

1402
01:54:36,291 --> 01:54:37,666
was multiple factors involved.

1403
01:54:37,666 --> 01:54:41,666
But basically, our ROV became the tether

1404
01:54:41,666 --> 01:54:46,250
became trapped due to a few different

1405
01:54:46,250 --> 01:54:48,666
things. The weather came up and we became

1406
01:54:48,666 --> 01:54:53,250
trapped subsea. So we had to cut the

1407
01:54:53,250 --> 01:54:55,416
tether manually on the ship and leave the

1408
01:54:55,416 --> 01:54:58,458
ROV stuck subsea overnight because we

1409
01:54:58,458 --> 01:54:59,208
couldn't stay where

1410
01:54:59,208 --> 01:54:59,666
we were with the ship.

1411
01:54:59,708 --> 01:55:04,666
But when we came back in the morning, the

1412
01:55:04,666 --> 01:55:07,291
ROV was no longer stuck and they're

1413
01:55:07,291 --> 01:55:09,708
designed to float when they are not being

1414
01:55:09,708 --> 01:55:15,125
powered so that you can find them. And we

1415
01:55:15,125 --> 01:55:17,083
came back in the morning. It was nowhere

1416
01:55:17,083 --> 01:55:19,625
to be found. I spent about four days in a

1417
01:55:19,625 --> 01:55:22,666
small airplane searching the ocean around

1418
01:55:22,666 --> 01:55:23,666
that area. We didn't see it.

1419
01:55:23,708 --> 01:55:26,666
Is that the term?

1420
01:55:27,791 --> 01:55:29,500
Absolutely. And I guess we weren't really

1421
01:55:29,500 --> 01:55:30,541
looking in the right spot because

1422
01:55:30,541 --> 01:55:34,083
evidently it had floated all the way down

1423
01:55:34,083 --> 01:55:36,875
to the coast of Oregon from Victoria. I

1424
01:55:36,875 --> 01:55:39,375
don't know how many kilometers that is.

1425
01:55:39,666 --> 01:55:44,583
And we actually had we literally had lost

1426
01:55:44,583 --> 01:55:46,666
ROV flyers and posters out in Victoria.

1427
01:55:46,666 --> 01:55:50,125
Like if found, please return to or please

1428
01:55:50,125 --> 01:55:52,458
call. And we put our notices to the coast

1429
01:55:52,458 --> 01:55:55,333
guard and somebody eventually found it in

1430
01:55:55,333 --> 01:55:59,291
the US waters. And we got it back. Then

1431
01:55:59,291 --> 01:56:01,458
we got it working within four hours by

1432
01:56:01,458 --> 01:56:04,375
being returned to us, to our facility. So

1433
01:56:04,375 --> 01:56:05,125
that was pretty cool.

1434
01:56:06,583 --> 01:56:08,458
I think before we recorded, I think Megan

1435
01:56:08,458 --> 01:56:09,791
says by a good scientific

1436
01:56:09,791 --> 01:56:10,666
drifting study, I think is what we.

1437
01:56:10,666 --> 01:56:14,708
That's a very expensive way to understand

1438
01:56:14,708 --> 01:56:17,166
current versus Josh's spit test.

1439
01:56:21,666 --> 01:56:25,708
He's got the extremes covered. Yeah, it

1440
01:56:25,708 --> 01:56:28,333
was pretty rough at the time, but I could

1441
01:56:28,333 --> 01:56:31,083
have been stressful. Yeah, it's also not

1442
01:56:31,083 --> 01:56:34,750
the first ROV that I've lost. Just the

1443
01:56:34,750 --> 01:56:36,666
longest amount of time.

1444
01:56:37,666 --> 01:56:39,041
Gotcha. Gotcha.

1445
01:56:39,500 --> 01:56:41,458
Dirk, one of the things I wanted to talk

1446
01:56:41,458 --> 01:56:43,208
about too, just as we kind of wrap this

1447
01:56:43,208 --> 01:56:47,375
up, is you're working in very deep

1448
01:56:47,375 --> 01:56:50,166
waters. The pressure is almost like to

1449
01:56:50,166 --> 01:56:53,875
the extreme. What type of materials do a

1450
01:56:53,875 --> 01:56:55,666
lot of the instrumentation have to have

1451
01:56:55,666 --> 01:56:57,666
to be able to survive in deep?

1452
01:56:57,666 --> 01:56:59,000
We talked a little bit about if you put

1453
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:01,500
something in a hydrothermal vent, the

1454
01:57:01,500 --> 01:57:04,250
deposits can grow on top of it. But if

1455
01:57:04,250 --> 01:57:06,833
we're looking at just a platform and

1456
01:57:06,833 --> 01:57:09,416
tubes that instruments go into or water

1457
01:57:09,416 --> 01:57:10,750
that flows through if it has to flow

1458
01:57:10,750 --> 01:57:12,541
through, what kind of materials are we

1459
01:57:12,541 --> 01:57:14,666
looking at here that you're working with?

1460
01:57:15,458 --> 01:57:18,166
So obviously the easiest material that's

1461
01:57:18,166 --> 01:57:20,250
the least reactive is plastic. So if you

1462
01:57:20,250 --> 01:57:21,583
can get away with plastic in whatever

1463
01:57:21,583 --> 01:57:23,458
pressure, that's the ideal. But like Josh

1464
01:57:23,458 --> 01:57:25,875
said, pressure, our deepest site is

1465
01:57:25,875 --> 01:57:28,583
almost three kilometers and the pressure

1466
01:57:28,583 --> 01:57:30,166
down there is 4,500

1467
01:57:30,166 --> 01:57:31,666
pounds per square inch.

1468
01:57:32,041 --> 01:57:34,250
So you can't get away with plastic if

1469
01:57:34,250 --> 01:57:36,875
there's any kind of air void, right?

1470
01:57:37,458 --> 01:57:40,500
Yeah. So mostly what we do use is

1471
01:57:40,500 --> 01:57:44,291
titanium because we don't want to have to

1472
01:57:44,291 --> 01:57:45,833
recover an instrument or anything like

1473
01:57:45,833 --> 01:57:48,875
this because we're worried about the

1474
01:57:48,875 --> 01:57:50,750
corrosion on the housing. So titanium is

1475
01:57:50,750 --> 01:57:51,875
normally our go-to for

1476
01:57:51,875 --> 01:57:52,625
absolutely everything.

1477
01:57:52,666 --> 01:57:58,041
So we have used aluminum, it's much

1478
01:57:58,041 --> 01:58:00,125
cheaper. It's easier to machine, but in

1479
01:58:00,125 --> 01:58:02,083
general, titanium. We also use shallow

1480
01:58:02,083 --> 01:58:05,708
water. We do use aluminum shallow water.

1481
01:58:05,708 --> 01:58:07,791
We can get away with plastic. But it's

1482
01:58:07,791 --> 01:58:08,666
not just pressure. We're

1483
01:58:08,666 --> 01:58:09,708
also worried about corrosion.

1484
01:58:10,708 --> 01:58:12,541
And that could be affected by not just

1485
01:58:12,541 --> 01:58:14,958
salt water. Like in straight Georgia, we

1486
01:58:14,958 --> 01:58:16,791
get crazy corrosion on like stainless

1487
01:58:16,791 --> 01:58:18,666
steel or anything like this. And we don't

1488
01:58:18,666 --> 01:58:20,416
like it's just some other chemical or

1489
01:58:20,416 --> 01:58:22,583
interaction in the water. Right. Some of

1490
01:58:22,583 --> 01:58:24,791
the more dormant. I don't know, dormant,

1491
01:58:24,791 --> 01:58:27,750
but like, I guess less interesting sites

1492
01:58:27,750 --> 01:58:29,458
like the abyssal plains, the things just

1493
01:58:29,458 --> 01:58:30,791
seem to last. And at the hydrothermal

1494
01:58:30,791 --> 01:58:32,208
events, there's some other weird reaction

1495
01:58:32,208 --> 01:58:34,291
that interferes with the materials and

1496
01:58:34,291 --> 01:58:36,083
village to protect itself. So but

1497
01:58:36,083 --> 01:58:37,250
titanium generally is good

1498
01:58:37,250 --> 01:58:38,250
for any of those environments.

1499
01:58:38,666 --> 01:58:41,166
Gotcha. Wonderful. And I know it's

1500
01:58:41,166 --> 01:58:42,666
sometimes for a lot of us, it's difficult

1501
01:58:42,666 --> 01:58:45,000
to picture what's what's under there. And

1502
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,666
you guys have done a really great job of

1503
01:58:47,666 --> 01:58:50,875
putting together a story map website

1504
01:58:50,875 --> 01:58:52,708
where people can click on to. We'll put

1505
01:58:52,708 --> 01:58:55,125
the links in the show notes. Can we talk

1506
01:58:55,125 --> 01:58:57,625
about, you know, why this is such an

1507
01:58:57,625 --> 01:59:00,791
important aspect, Megan, to have these

1508
01:59:00,791 --> 01:59:02,708
types of story maps up to kind of give

1509
01:59:02,708 --> 01:59:05,500
people a perspective of what it's like,

1510
01:59:05,500 --> 01:59:06,875
what the instrumentation looks like, what

1511
01:59:06,875 --> 01:59:07,666
it's like to operate in ROV. I'm looking right now.

1512
01:59:07,666 --> 01:59:12,166
ROV arm that's that's trying to grab a

1513
01:59:12,166 --> 01:59:14,875
rope. You know, it's what how important

1514
01:59:14,875 --> 01:59:17,000
is that for for O and C to get that

1515
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:18,458
information out there and for campact to

1516
01:59:18,458 --> 01:59:22,541
do that to share first shout out to the O

1517
01:59:22,541 --> 01:59:24,541
and C comms team who actually puts a lot

1518
01:59:24,541 --> 01:59:26,416
of work into the story maps.

1519
01:59:26,708 --> 01:59:31,166
I don't know that us as engineers and

1520
01:59:31,166 --> 01:59:33,416
technologists are the best storytellers

1521
01:59:33,416 --> 01:59:36,041
all the time, but working closely with

1522
01:59:36,041 --> 01:59:38,500
our comms team to put these stories

1523
01:59:38,500 --> 01:59:41,250
together in compelling ways so that

1524
01:59:41,250 --> 01:59:45,083
anyone can understand what we're talking

1525
01:59:45,083 --> 01:59:47,291
about and and to really tell the story

1526
01:59:47,291 --> 01:59:50,916
for any ages, you know, kindergarten to,

1527
01:59:50,916 --> 01:59:53,708
you know, seniors with

1528
01:59:53,708 --> 01:59:54,416
any kind of background.

1529
01:59:54,666 --> 01:59:57,125
And it's really, you know, if you think

1530
01:59:57,125 --> 02:00:00,250
about the planet Earth, we're actually

1531
02:00:00,250 --> 02:00:05,291
mostly ocean and, you know, other than

1532
02:00:05,291 --> 02:00:06,625
the surface of the ocean, most people

1533
02:00:06,625 --> 02:00:08,458
don't get a chance to see what's

1534
02:00:08,458 --> 02:00:10,125
underneath and to understand how

1535
02:00:10,125 --> 02:00:13,083
important the ocean is to the health of

1536
02:00:13,083 --> 02:00:16,500
the planet and to our industries, to our,

1537
02:00:16,500 --> 02:00:17,541
you know, food supplies,

1538
02:00:18,083 --> 02:00:19,666
you know, the list goes on.

1539
02:00:20,083 --> 02:00:22,375
And so kind of opening up that window so

1540
02:00:22,375 --> 02:00:24,916
that there's better understanding of what

1541
02:00:24,916 --> 02:00:26,250
goes on in the deep ocean, the

1542
02:00:26,250 --> 02:00:28,500
interactions in the deep ocean, you know,

1543
02:00:28,500 --> 02:00:31,458
just for overall awareness and and really

1544
02:00:31,458 --> 02:00:35,250
sort of, you know, opening the door and,

1545
02:00:35,250 --> 02:00:37,208
you know, sort of opening people's minds

1546
02:00:37,208 --> 02:00:40,708
and kind of maybe inspiring a few kids to

1547
02:00:40,708 --> 02:00:44,208
to join us on these on these offshore

1548
02:00:44,208 --> 02:00:45,666
expeditions in future.

1549
02:00:45,708 --> 02:00:49,208
So, yeah, so it's it's super important to

1550
02:00:49,208 --> 02:00:51,250
get out there and to tell the stories and

1551
02:00:51,250 --> 02:00:53,416
to and to make it accessible

1552
02:00:53,416 --> 02:00:55,583
for as many people as possible.

1553
02:00:56,375 --> 02:00:57,500
Absolutely. If I have a question, you

1554
02:00:57,500 --> 02:01:00,125
guys are preparing to go out in offshore

1555
02:01:00,125 --> 02:01:03,208
soon in the next month, I believe. Is

1556
02:01:03,208 --> 02:01:04,833
this going to be a regular maintenance

1557
02:01:04,833 --> 02:01:06,333
plan or is this going

1558
02:01:06,333 --> 02:01:06,666
to be anything different?

1559
02:01:07,666 --> 02:01:12,083
We'll go with this one. Yeah, so this is

1560
02:01:12,083 --> 02:01:16,083
we generally have to I guess long story

1561
02:01:16,083 --> 02:01:17,875
short, yes, it's regular maintenance. We

1562
02:01:17,875 --> 02:01:19,583
have normally two expeditions a year.

1563
02:01:19,583 --> 02:01:21,375
And normally we focus the early season

1564
02:01:21,375 --> 02:01:24,416
one on inshore, near shore activities and

1565
02:01:24,416 --> 02:01:26,708
then the summer one offshore. And that's

1566
02:01:26,708 --> 02:01:28,500
kind of a combination between the inshore

1567
02:01:28,500 --> 02:01:30,583
trying to get ahead of the like the fresh

1568
02:01:30,583 --> 02:01:31,666
set, which when we get all the more nutrients in the water and we get

1569
02:01:31,666 --> 02:01:33,375
all the more nutrients in the water and

1570
02:01:33,375 --> 02:01:36,125
we get all the blooms and visibility kind

1571
02:01:36,125 --> 02:01:39,000
of goes away. So we try and get our our

1572
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:41,000
instruments freshly prepped for that to

1573
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:42,000
capture all that data.

1574
02:01:42,541 --> 02:01:42,708
Gotcha.

1575
02:01:42,708 --> 02:01:44,625
And then offshore, we want to maximize

1576
02:01:44,625 --> 02:01:46,458
weather. So we try to go in the best

1577
02:01:46,458 --> 02:01:47,291
weather months. So

1578
02:01:47,291 --> 02:01:48,750
that's always going to summer.

1579
02:01:49,500 --> 02:01:51,041
Gotcha. Yeah, that makes sense. That

1580
02:01:51,041 --> 02:01:53,000
makes sense. Well, I have to say the

1581
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:54,875
three of you. Thank you so much for

1582
02:01:54,875 --> 02:01:55,833
coming on the show and

1583
02:01:55,833 --> 02:01:57,666
talking about the work that you do.

1584
02:01:57,708 --> 02:01:59,916
Obviously, it's invaluable to the

1585
02:01:59,916 --> 02:02:02,250
operations of ONC and it was super fun to

1586
02:02:02,250 --> 02:02:04,458
have all three of you on. And it's great

1587
02:02:04,458 --> 02:02:06,833
to see, you know, the way you guys banter

1588
02:02:06,833 --> 02:02:08,125
back and forth. And obviously, you've

1589
02:02:08,125 --> 02:02:09,458
known each other for a long time, spent a

1590
02:02:09,458 --> 02:02:10,500
lot of time at sea together.

1591
02:02:10,500 --> 02:02:12,333
And I think it's a lot of fun to be able

1592
02:02:12,333 --> 02:02:14,333
to have that on the on the episode too.

1593
02:02:14,333 --> 02:02:15,791
So I really appreciate all three of you

1594
02:02:15,791 --> 02:02:17,541
coming on and for the work you do. And

1595
02:02:17,541 --> 02:02:19,750
good luck with the next with the next

1596
02:02:19,750 --> 02:02:21,583
trip. And I'd love to have you back on

1597
02:02:21,583 --> 02:02:22,208
the show at some point.

1598
02:02:23,666 --> 02:02:24,708
Awesome. Thanks, Andrew.

1599
02:02:25,375 --> 02:02:26,666
Thank you, Andrew. Thank you.

1600
02:02:26,708 --> 02:02:29,000
Thank you, Megan, Josh and Dirk for

1601
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:30,583
joining me on today's episode of the How

1602
02:02:30,583 --> 02:02:32,250
to Protect the Ocean podcast and this

1603
02:02:32,250 --> 02:02:33,958
segment, Surfacing Secrets Explore the

1604
02:02:33,958 --> 02:02:36,083
Ocean and Know the Planet. This is such

1605
02:02:36,083 --> 02:02:38,500
an important thing for me to partner with

1606
02:02:38,500 --> 02:02:40,416
Ocean Networks Canada as well as their

1607
02:02:40,416 --> 02:02:42,000
partners to just kind of give the behind

1608
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:43,208
the scenes of what goes on.

1609
02:02:43,625 --> 02:02:45,375
We hear a lot about the deep sea. We hear

1610
02:02:45,375 --> 02:02:47,250
a lot about the work that goes on, but we

1611
02:02:47,250 --> 02:02:49,041
don't get the intricacies of it. We don't

1612
02:02:49,041 --> 02:02:51,208
understand how like who are the players,

1613
02:02:51,208 --> 02:02:52,500
who are the scientists, the data

1614
02:02:52,500 --> 02:02:54,333
engineers, the IT people. We

1615
02:02:54,333 --> 02:02:54,666
don't get to hear from them.

1616
02:02:54,708 --> 02:02:56,875
And they are amazing people, as you can

1617
02:02:56,875 --> 02:02:59,333
tell the chemistry between all three

1618
02:02:59,333 --> 02:03:01,416
other people that we had on today, Megan,

1619
02:03:01,416 --> 02:03:03,000
Josh and Dirk were fun. You know, you can

1620
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:04,500
tell that they have a lot of fun out

1621
02:03:04,500 --> 02:03:06,500
there on at sea and in the field because

1622
02:03:06,500 --> 02:03:08,500
it's hard. It's not easy. It's long days,

1623
02:03:08,500 --> 02:03:09,916
long nights at times.

1624
02:03:09,916 --> 02:03:12,416
It's very intense to work out at sea.

1625
02:03:12,791 --> 02:03:14,083
You're never going to have like a perfect

1626
02:03:14,083 --> 02:03:15,458
day to work out at sea when you're

1627
02:03:15,458 --> 02:03:17,541
looking at, you know, wave actions and

1628
02:03:17,541 --> 02:03:19,541
weather and so forth. So it's really good

1629
02:03:19,541 --> 02:03:20,666
to be able to everybody get along.

1630
02:03:20,666 --> 02:03:22,750
And you can just see that right now, the

1631
02:03:22,750 --> 02:03:24,500
camaraderie between the three guests that

1632
02:03:24,500 --> 02:03:26,125
we had on today. It was amazing. It was

1633
02:03:26,125 --> 02:03:28,166
fun. And you get to see how much fun they

1634
02:03:28,166 --> 02:03:30,833
have at sea as well as here on the

1635
02:03:30,833 --> 02:03:32,583
podcast. So it's great to see that you

1636
02:03:32,583 --> 02:03:34,208
have any questions or comments. Feel free

1637
02:03:34,208 --> 02:03:35,208
to go to the website.

1638
02:03:35,708 --> 02:03:37,250
The ocean networks, Canada's website,

1639
02:03:37,250 --> 02:03:38,666
I'll put it in the show notes in the

1640
02:03:38,666 --> 02:03:40,416
description below, depending on how

1641
02:03:40,416 --> 02:03:42,708
you're consuming this podcast. But I'd

1642
02:03:42,708 --> 02:03:44,666
love to hear your questions for the

1643
02:03:44,666 --> 02:03:46,958
podcast. If you want to let me know in

1644
02:03:46,958 --> 02:03:48,375
the comments on YouTube, or if you're

1645
02:03:48,375 --> 02:03:49,291
listening to this on your favorite

1646
02:03:49,291 --> 02:03:51,291
podcast app, you can go to our website,

1647
02:03:51,291 --> 02:03:53,666
speakupforblue.com forward slash contact.

1648
02:03:53,708 --> 02:03:55,458
Let me know if you have any questions

1649
02:03:55,458 --> 02:03:57,666
about ONC or if you have any comments

1650
02:03:57,666 --> 02:03:59,333
about the episodes, if you enjoy them, if

1651
02:03:59,333 --> 02:04:00,875
you don't like it, let me know. I want to

1652
02:04:00,875 --> 02:04:02,458
hear your feedback. Let me hear it from

1653
02:04:02,458 --> 02:04:04,291
you. And I want to thank you so much for

1654
02:04:04,291 --> 02:04:06,041
joining me on today's episode of the how

1655
02:04:06,041 --> 02:04:07,500
to protect the ocean podcast. I'm your

1656
02:04:07,500 --> 02:04:08,875
host, Andrew Lewin from the true North

1657
02:04:08,875 --> 02:04:10,708
strong and free. Have a great day. We'll

1658
02:04:10,708 --> 02:04:11,458
talk to you next time.