Ocean Ramsay's Shark Whisperer, A Review of the Conservation Claims and Controversies

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The Shark Whisperer is out.

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I watched it on Netflix.

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It's documentary about

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Ocean Ramsay and her work

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about interacting with sharks.

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Very controversial in the science

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and ocean conservation world.

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Although she captures the

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attention of many people.

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Of course, why wouldn't you

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when you ride a great

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white shark in the water?

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This is gonna be an

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interesting review of this.

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I already recorded an

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episode, it was 40 minutes long.

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I'm gonna try and make this less.

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So let's start the show.

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(upbeat music)

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Hey everybody, welcome back to another

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exciting episode of the How

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to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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I'm your host Andrew Lewin.

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And this is the podcast where you find

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out what's happening with the ocean.

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How you could speak up for the ocean.

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What you can do to live for a better

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ocean by taking action.

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If action is what you want to take before

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we get into the Shark Whisperer and Ocean

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Ramsay and all that.

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We are trying to help guide you to choose

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better ways to protect the ocean.

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Just go to speakupforblue.com forward

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join the undertow to join the undertow

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and do better at conservation.

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So that's what I want you to do right

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before we start this.

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Now let's get into it.

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Okay, I recorded this episode before and

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it was 40 minutes long.

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Did not want to do that to you.

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I know attention spans are short.

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We have lots to do.

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I want you to take this

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episode for what it's worth.

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It is a documentary about a woman who

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interacts with sharks in a bad way.

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I'm going to tell you that's a bad way.

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She doesn't mean to do in a

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bad way, but it's a bad way.

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She harasses sharks.

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It's what she does

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and it's shown on video.

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I don't mean to degrade her in any way.

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I don't mean to be mean to her in any

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way, but it's what she does.

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And so this has been a topic of a lot of

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controversy within the ocean science and

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an ocean conservation world.

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A lot of people have spoken

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out about the work that she does.

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But the thing is that it

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captures a lot of attention.

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They take amazing photos of her

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interacting with these sharks touching

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the sharks pushing them away interacting

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with these sharks and she

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puts out some misinformation.

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So we're going to get into the

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documentary what it's about and what are

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the problems I have with it really in

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terms of it and then some of the things

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that I think we need to learn as ocean

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conservationists and scientists to say,

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hey, we need to start capturing the

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attention of people and we

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need to figure out ways to do it.

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That is in a good way and also some

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advice for Netflix and

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who to actually cover.

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So we're going to talk

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about that all today.

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So let's get into it.

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The movie is about Ocean Ramsey.

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Ocean Ramsey claims to be a scientist

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claims to be a researcher

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claims to be a shark whisperer.

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Although she says she's not a shark

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whisperer in the movie, but the movie

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says, you know, title is shark whisperer.

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But essentially what she's done is she's

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created this company where she goes out

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and she teaches people

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how to interact with sharks.

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She wants to show that sharks are gentle.

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She wants to show that sharks are not

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monsters as some movies like Jaws may

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have represented in the past and some

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people have represented

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people are afraid of sharks.

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That is not a doubt.

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Everybody there are a lot of people who

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are afraid of sharks.

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People know that

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everybody knows that it's fine.

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There's nothing wrong with that.

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They are predators.

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They have big teeth.

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They have bitten people before.

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It doesn't happen as often

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as we think, but it happens.

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And when you go in the water, all you

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think of is Jaws or all you think of are

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these different types of movies about

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sharks eating people or hurting people

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and it happens in real life at times.

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And unfortunately, you know, they get a

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bad rap because of it.

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So people are afraid of sharks.

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That fear of sharks has led to the

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killing of sharks, whether it's for

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fishing or for

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tournaments or for anything else.

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And sometimes, you know,

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people get mad at that.

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And sometimes people are like, well, we

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need to change the reputation of sharks.

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Those people go out and

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do it in different ways.

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Some people will swim with sharks, not

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touch them and do what, you know, Patty

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says and what all the scuba diving

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outfits say and say when you're in the

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water, you just look, you don't touch.

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That's pretty much what the mantra is

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when you're in the water, what you should

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be doing, whether you're a scientist or

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not, unless you're actually

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doing work up on the animal.

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You do not touch if you don't need to.

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Ocean Ramsey touches.

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She has this connection, she says in this

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movie, and that's what allows her to

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interact with these animals.

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Now, here's the thing. She anthropomorphizes these animals.

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Basically, what she's doing, what that

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means is she's attributing human

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characteristics to animals where those

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human characteristics

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are probably not true.

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She says she has this

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connection with the animals.

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She knows the animals and they all have

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different characteristics, like they all

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have their character.

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They all act in different ways.

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Each individual shark, whether it's a

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tiger shark, whether it's an ocean white

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tip, each individual shark of that

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population of that area will display

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different types of characteristics.

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That's not in doubt here.

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It's whether they're being friendly or

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whether they're coming to say hello or

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whether they're doing things.

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These are animals. These are predators.

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They're coming to check you out.

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If a shark approaches you, it's checking

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you out to say, one, are you food? And

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two, are you dangerous to me?

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If you're dangerous to me, I'm going to

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get out. If you're food, I'm going to

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come check you out even more.

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And so you see a lot of times in the

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film, you see, you know, a tiger shark

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coming up to Ocean Ramsey.

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She puts her hand out. She says, I'm only

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waiting until they come to me.

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Although there's other shots in the video

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where she's actually touching their fins

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and things like that.

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And there's a shot where a great white

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came by what everybody

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thought was deep blue.

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Apparently it's not deep blue. The name

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of the shark was a 20 foot

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great white shark. It's huge.

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And that's what made her popular. She

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rode this thing. She held onto its fin

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and rode it basically swimming within.

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Let it kind of drag her around in a very

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peaceful way. And it went viral.

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And she claims a lot of things from that.

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But, you know, that's what happens. She

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rides them. She holds onto their fins.

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She essentially harasses them. You should

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never touch a shark. You never know what

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you're going to do that shark.

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You never know what's on your hands. You

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never know what's on the

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sharks, you know, skin.

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There's a lot of dangers that can happen.

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And plus you don't want to piss off a

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shark. Now, she has gone diving with

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sharks for a long time.

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She probably has thousands and thousands

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of hours with sharks in this atmosphere.

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But the problem is, is that you never

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know when a shark is going to turn on

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you. For example, there is a shark that's

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in the film where she says she has to watch her at all times.

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Because this shark will come up. And

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normally when she pushes them away, a

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tiger shark will actually take a long

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route and come back around and then come

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visit her again by checking her out to

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see if she's actually food.

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But this one will come back and turn back

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around quick and she has to be careful of

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that. This is the thing where I'm saying

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it's not games these sharks are playing.

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These sharks are out there to survive.

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They're out there either to protect

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themselves or to eat.

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That's what they do.

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That's the animal kingdom. That's what

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happens. Mother Nature is cruel. These

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animals have to be just as cruel and

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that's how it works. Right. So this is

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what we're dealing with from a

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perspective. However, the movie makes it

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sound like she's just

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this shark whisperer.

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She has this ability to connect with

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sharks and the sharks connect with her

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and it feels just so spiritual and it

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feels just great. It's all BS, but it's

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easy to fall for it. It is.

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And when I watched it, I was like, oh

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wow, like she really does a good job with

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all of these sharks and things like that.

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You fall for it. It's really easy to fall

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for because it's a beautiful depiction of

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how animals and humans can interact. And

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I do believe that she has, you know, a

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want to protect these sharks. She sees

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these sharks every day when you start to

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grow a or not every day, but most of the

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days when every time she's out there, she

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sees the same sharks come back. You know,

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there was one shark that had a crack jaw

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or broken jaw and it's sad.

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Then it had a fish hook in it and there's

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a lot of things that were going on. The

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problem is, is she's still harassing

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sharks. She teaches other people that you

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can harass sharks and get away with it

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and you can't. You just don't want to do

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that because yes, she has thousands and

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thousands of hours in

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the water with sharks.

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But other people who don't are going to

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try this. Not everybody because a lot of

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us are like, I'm not getting in the water

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with sharks without a cage or even just

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getting the water with sharks anyway. But

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there are people who will and there are

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people who will try this tactic, whether

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it's a great white, whether it's a tiger

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shark, whether it's a

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Mako shark, any shark.

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They will do that and they will get hurt

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because of it. And that is dangerous

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because what does that do? Not only to

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the person hurt the person, but it could

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also hurt the reputation of sharks. And

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that is what we don't want. We've taken a

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lot of time. There's a lot of people who

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have taken a lot of time to make sure

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that these sharks have better reputation,

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that they're known as being these

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formidable animals and predators, apex

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predators, but they need to be protected

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and that they're not always after humans.

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There have been plenty

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of studies to show that.

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Dr. Chris Lowe out of the University of

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California, Long Beach lab, the shark

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lab, and it shows it every day. So that's

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something that's really important to look

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at. Look at the science. Don't just look

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at people who are just touching sharks

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and getting away with it because I'll

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tell you at some point she's going to get

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hurt. She even says that it could happen

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and that she's okay with it. I'm not okay

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with somebody getting hurt. People

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watching it or filming it. And also, you

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know, that reputation of sharks going

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downhill. Let's be honest. The crocodile

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hunter had the same kind of thing. Got

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killed by a stingray.

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An accident and you know he doesn't want

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anything happened to stingrays, but

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people are afraid of stingrays because it

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hit the crocodile hunter that it could

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hit anybody if people are afraid, but not

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going to want to protect and we need all

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hands on deck to protect. That's what we

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need. Okay, enough on that. I got a lot

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of other stuff to go through. So I'm

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going to go through that and I'm already

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at like 13 minutes. So I've got like a

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couple minutes to try and keep everything

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down to a good thing. So hopefully my

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editor will be able to edit this down so

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that you can go and get a good timing and get back on to your own.

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Okay, let's talk about the conservation

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efforts. The one story that really

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captured my attention was the

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conservation effort that she talks about

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a banning sharks in Hawaii, the banning

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of shark fishing in Hawaii. Now she talks

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a lot about conservation efforts about,

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you know, finning. She talks about

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banning finning and how, you know, 100

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million sharks die every day. We know the

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deaths of sharks from finning is going

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down since it was first reported. But

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there are other ways that sharks die. A

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lot is overfishing and unsustainable.

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Fishing practices and not, you know,

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watching them out in the high seas and so

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forth. There's a lot of stuff that is

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killing sharks and still a lot of sharks

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die each and every day shark fishing can

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be a problem. There are ways that, you

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know, sustainable shark fishing can

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happen. But what she refers to one thing

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before we get into the story of how she

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protected or how she helped get shark

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fishing banned in Hawaii was the fact

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that she talked about fitting and she

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talked about finning.

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She has B roll of her walking around what

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seemed to be in an Asian fishing market

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She sees sharks these dead sharks and

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fins being cut off of these dead sharks

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Now that is technically not finning that

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is taking the fins off of a dead shark

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That is actually very legal in a lot of

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places not illegal

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legal in a lot of places

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If you land the shark, that means you

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bring it back dead you fish the shark

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You're gonna sell it for its meat. You

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can also sell the fins because you want

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to use up the entire body

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That's a sustainable practice and use of

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a shark is if you're gonna fish it and if

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you don't agree with it

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That's fine. But if you're gonna fish it

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you should eat all of it

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So taking the fins make sense in that

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perspective the act of

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finning is to go out into the ocean

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Right middle the ocean or wherever you

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are on the coast wherever and actually

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catch a shark keep it alive

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Cut the fins off the shark while it's

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alive and then throw the shark back while

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it's still alive without its fins

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For it to essentially just die a very

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very painful death. That is cruel

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That is awful. And I know

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some of you will argue that

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Hey, you know what killing a shark just

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for fishing and different meat is cruel

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in itself. I understand that that is

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legal in a lot of places

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What's illegal is the act of finning

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which I just described?

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There's meaning in the different words

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and she misrepresents

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what finning is in this film

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She's done that before and that matters

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to a lot of ocean conservationists to a

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lot of scientists and

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it should matter to you

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Because that's actually legal

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That's actually using the shark when you

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land it and cut the fins

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off to use it for shark fins

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That's actually a sustainable way because

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you want to use all of the animal, right?

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That's a very good way of making sure

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that we're sustainable

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if we are going to fish

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For a particular species a shark a

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different type of fish, whatever that is

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You want to use all of it so that makes

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it worthwhile, right?

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That's a very big act when you eat

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animals is to use all of its parts

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So that's one of the things that you

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know, and you may not

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agree and that's fine

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But that's one of the things that I had a

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particularly caught my eye and be like

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well, hold on a second

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That's not actually finning now with her

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banning of shark fishing within Hawaii

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Admirable act she'd

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played a role in it. She

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partnered up with some other organization

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There was an organization and a people

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called Hanaka and it was led by this

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whole movement was led by Hanaka

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And I've got a video to document someone

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telling you that it was Mackenzie who's

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on tick-tock who's been

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on this podcast before

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She's great. She's a scientist

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She's a very great ocean conservationist

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and she's a great science communicator

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And she is from the island of Hawaii in

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Oahu and she knows a lot about that

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And she talks a little bit

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more than I know about her

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So I'll let her talk about that aspect,

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but this was a Hanaka led

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I guess conservation movement and it

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worked now she coupled into it

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She came into the team as a team and she

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used her following to get public support

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She also goes around to schools and other

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places and communities and teaches about

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sharks and what her work does

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So that's great. That's admirable. And

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she was part of that team

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This film this documentary makes it look

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like she led the whole thing in the film

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She said that she didn't get it the

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building get passed in

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2016 nor in 2017 nor in 2018

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It wasn't until 2019 after the video came

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out of her swimming

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with the great white shark

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That's what she says. She attributes the

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fact that hey, you know what?

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That's what kind of put it over the hump

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and got it passed because there wasn't

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much opposition of

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that because if you swim

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With a great white and you're not getting

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eaten then sharks can't be that bad. We

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shouldn't be fishing for sharks

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That's what she claims

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in the film essentially

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But the thing is is when you try and get

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policy passed it doesn't

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always happen at the beginning

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Right doesn't always happen the first

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year the second year the third year

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Sometimes doesn't happen for 10 years the

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Ross Sea Marine

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protected area in Antarctica

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Took over 10 years to get accepted by 24

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nations that manage Antarctica

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It finally got accepted because you know

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the science gets better the

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public support gets better

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And there's a lot of pressure on all

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those countries from their

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own people and internationally

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To have these marine protected areas designated now There are of course other and repre And that's what makes it so

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frustrating with conservation

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It just takes so much time and a lot of

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these animals are dying in the meantime

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But I'm sure her followers and her public

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support in the gathering of public

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support and her persona

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herself helped get this passed

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But the fact is the movie whether she

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means it or not is taking credit for it

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Puts a bad taste in everybody's mouth

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because ocean

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conservation is about collaboration

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It's about working together as a team

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There are people that I know who have

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done amazing things in ocean conservation

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helped get marine protected areas

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designated helped get certain CITES

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regulations designated

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Do they take credit for it or do they let

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other people say hey

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this person did this?

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No, they will be the first to say no

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actually I worked with this organization

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and this organization did

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this part in this process

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And everybody gives credit to everybody

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doesn't happen all the time

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But when it happens that's when you know

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the true collaboration is in effect

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That's when you know that this person is

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admirable this person

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Deserves to be in this area because they

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just want to get the stuff passed and

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protected and not take

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credit for it even though

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Credits do to them right, but now they

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don't want to take all the credit

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They want to say hey, you know what other

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people, you know help get this passed

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So that is a big problem and I know maybe

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that you're listening to this and you're

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a supporter of ocean rams

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And you see well, you know what she's

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helped anyway, so isn't that great?

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It is great

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But to take credit for it in this film or

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what seems to be taking

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credit for this she led this

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Really puts a sour taste in a lot of

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people's mouths that have worked so hard

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to put it through now with that said I

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Haven't come across anybody speaking out

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against it in that thing

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01:15:53,375 --> 01:15:55,208
That doesn't mean that anybody hasn't but

545
01:15:55,208 --> 01:15:57,000
I haven't seen any reports or any

546
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,875
articles where people are speaking out

547
01:15:58,875 --> 01:16:00,625
against it and that's fine

548
01:16:01,416 --> 01:16:03,125
Maybe they did maybe they didn't what I

549
01:16:03,125 --> 01:16:04,416
see is one person taking

550
01:16:04,416 --> 01:16:05,500
credit that leading this

551
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:08,041
I know differently and that puts a sour

552
01:16:08,041 --> 01:16:09,333
taste in my mouth with this

553
01:16:09,375 --> 01:16:11,208
I wouldn't work with somebody like that

554
01:16:11,208 --> 01:16:12,833
because of it, right?

555
01:16:12,833 --> 01:16:14,083
Whether she has two million followers or

556
01:16:14,083 --> 01:16:15,416
two followers that puts

557
01:16:15,416 --> 01:16:16,291
a sour taste in my mouth

558
01:16:16,291 --> 01:16:18,041
So I think that's thing is it's

559
01:16:18,041 --> 01:16:18,958
transparency. It's

560
01:16:18,958 --> 01:16:19,708
like hey, you know what?

561
01:16:19,708 --> 01:16:21,125
We got this pass was great, but it was a

562
01:16:21,125 --> 01:16:21,958
team effort that

563
01:16:21,958 --> 01:16:23,583
didn't show off in the movie

564
01:16:23,583 --> 01:16:25,666
It looked like she led that speaking of

565
01:16:25,666 --> 01:16:28,250
transparency ocean ramsi's education now

566
01:16:28,250 --> 01:16:30,250
Look, you don't have to be a scientist to

567
01:16:30,250 --> 01:16:31,708
do this type of work, you know

568
01:16:31,708 --> 01:16:33,916
You don't have to be a scientist you can

569
01:16:33,916 --> 01:16:36,458
be an advocate you can be an activist

570
01:16:36,708 --> 01:16:38,583
You can be someone who works in policy

571
01:16:38,583 --> 01:16:41,333
and gets into these types of situation

572
01:16:41,333 --> 01:16:43,041
gets public support and do really great

573
01:16:43,041 --> 01:16:44,041
work for ocean conservation

574
01:16:44,291 --> 01:16:45,375
But ocean ramsi has

575
01:16:45,375 --> 01:16:47,333
claimed that she is a scientist

576
01:16:47,833 --> 01:16:49,666
However, there's something very different

577
01:16:49,666 --> 01:16:52,291
about her claims compared to what she's

578
01:16:52,291 --> 01:16:53,500
proven or what she's shown

579
01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:54,708
of where she's gone to school

580
01:16:54,708 --> 01:16:56,333
And how she got her credentials

581
01:16:57,083 --> 01:16:58,875
She may have schooling and she may have

582
01:16:58,875 --> 01:17:00,541
credentials and she may choose not to

583
01:17:00,541 --> 01:17:01,458
post it on a website

584
01:17:02,041 --> 01:17:03,750
But she is the first scientist that I

585
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:05,791
have ever met who has not posted their

586
01:17:05,791 --> 01:17:06,916
credentials or talked

587
01:17:06,916 --> 01:17:07,833
about their credentials

588
01:17:07,833 --> 01:17:10,500
And that is a little weird to me. I'll be

589
01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:11,708
honest and it's not against

590
01:17:11,708 --> 01:17:13,125
it if she has it that's fine

591
01:17:13,375 --> 01:17:15,750
But it's causing a lot of controversy

592
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:17,208
within the scientific community ocean

593
01:17:17,208 --> 01:17:17,875
conservation committees

594
01:17:17,875 --> 01:17:19,041
Like she says she's a scientist

595
01:17:19,041 --> 01:17:20,833
She says she practices science and you

596
01:17:20,833 --> 01:17:22,333
can collect data for a lot of different

597
01:17:22,333 --> 01:17:23,083
researchers and stuff

598
01:17:23,083 --> 01:17:23,916
that happens all the time

599
01:17:23,916 --> 01:17:25,500
And you're not a scientist, but she

600
01:17:25,500 --> 01:17:26,750
claims she's a scientist, but she doesn't

601
01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:27,750
talk about being a scientist

602
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:30,000
She doesn't they not proudly display it

603
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,125
on her website or anything like that

604
01:17:31,166 --> 01:17:32,166
And I feel like that's

605
01:17:32,166 --> 01:17:33,333
a little odd, you know

606
01:17:33,333 --> 01:17:34,708
You want to be transparent you say you

607
01:17:34,708 --> 01:17:36,041
should be proud if she did the work

608
01:17:36,041 --> 01:17:38,166
It's hard work and she should be proud of

609
01:17:38,166 --> 01:17:38,916
what she's done, but

610
01:17:38,916 --> 01:17:40,583
don't claim it and not show it

611
01:17:40,583 --> 01:17:42,500
I think that's a little weird. It's not

612
01:17:42,500 --> 01:17:44,583
like the end all be all but it's a little

613
01:17:44,583 --> 01:17:46,625
odd that she's not claiming it

614
01:17:46,625 --> 01:17:48,250
There are people who said that she's gone

615
01:17:48,250 --> 01:17:50,166
to San Diego State University. She's got

616
01:17:50,166 --> 01:17:51,125
a marine biology degree

617
01:17:51,125 --> 01:17:52,458
She got a degree in a master's in animal

618
01:17:52,458 --> 01:17:53,666
behavior. I haven't

619
01:17:53,666 --> 01:17:54,500
seen it on her website

620
01:17:54,500 --> 01:17:55,541
I haven't seen her cut that and actually

621
01:17:55,541 --> 01:17:56,791
say it she's very

622
01:17:56,791 --> 01:17:58,458
mysterious in that kind of way

623
01:17:58,458 --> 01:17:59,208
She doesn't talk about

624
01:17:59,208 --> 01:18:00,916
herself a lot within that respect

625
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,708
She only talks about herself within like

626
01:18:02,708 --> 01:18:04,250
saving sharks as well as

627
01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:05,041
interacting with these sharks

628
01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:07,125
So that's a little odd to me. Like I

629
01:18:07,125 --> 01:18:08,583
said, I'm very proud of that. I have an

630
01:18:08,583 --> 01:18:09,416
undergraduate degree

631
01:18:09,416 --> 01:18:10,041
I have a master's

632
01:18:10,041 --> 01:18:11,250
degree. I work very hard for it

633
01:18:11,250 --> 01:18:13,125
It was not easy talk to anybody who's

634
01:18:13,125 --> 01:18:15,416
done a graduate degree. It is sucks. It's

635
01:18:15,416 --> 01:18:17,208
hard. It is very difficult

636
01:18:17,291 --> 01:18:20,291
So if you have it flaunt it and you don't

637
01:18:20,291 --> 01:18:22,083
have to like I said, it's not the end all

638
01:18:22,083 --> 01:18:23,916
be all but it's a little odd to

639
01:18:23,916 --> 01:18:26,583
Me that she's not proudly displaying it

640
01:18:26,583 --> 01:18:27,958
or proudly talking about it as she should

641
01:18:27,958 --> 01:18:29,250
be because it is a very

642
01:18:29,250 --> 01:18:30,041
difficult thing to get

643
01:18:30,041 --> 01:18:31,083
It's not easy to get

644
01:18:31,083 --> 01:18:32,541
so that's a big thing

645
01:18:32,833 --> 01:18:34,791
I want to talk about going back to the

646
01:18:34,791 --> 01:18:37,583
interaction when you have cage free dives

647
01:18:37,583 --> 01:18:40,500
and you have cage dives a lot of times

648
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:42,166
You know, you have to attract the sharks

649
01:18:42,166 --> 01:18:44,250
people attract the sharks using chumming

650
01:18:44,250 --> 01:18:45,500
or sometimes they use hand feeding

651
01:18:45,500 --> 01:18:46,791
Which is kind of crazy when you think

652
01:18:46,791 --> 01:18:47,791
about feeding sharks

653
01:18:47,791 --> 01:18:49,750
But a lot of people do it and that's how

654
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:51,916
they attract the sharks chumming and hand

655
01:18:51,916 --> 01:18:53,000
feeding Ocean Ramsey

656
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,000
says she doesn't do it

657
01:18:54,208 --> 01:18:56,083
And there's no physical evidence that

658
01:18:56,083 --> 01:18:57,250
says she does it at

659
01:18:57,250 --> 01:18:58,541
this point that I could see

660
01:18:59,208 --> 01:19:01,166
However, there have been people and I'll

661
01:19:01,166 --> 01:19:02,500
link to the video below who have said

662
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:03,750
that she does chum water

663
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:05,458
that they know people who say

664
01:19:05,458 --> 01:19:07,416
That she chums with the water to attract

665
01:19:07,416 --> 01:19:10,583
those sharks. She says she doesn't

666
01:19:10,583 --> 01:19:12,625
There have been apparently videos shows

667
01:19:12,625 --> 01:19:14,333
that there's chum in the water that have

668
01:19:14,333 --> 01:19:15,916
been taken down from social media posts

669
01:19:15,916 --> 01:19:18,458
Nobody that has worked for her is allowed

670
01:19:18,458 --> 01:19:19,041
to talk about it

671
01:19:19,041 --> 01:19:19,916
because they've all signed

672
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,000
NDAs and they refuse to talk about it

673
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:22,625
because they can't

674
01:19:22,625 --> 01:19:23,375
because they legally can't

675
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,958
Again, the mystery around it whether it's

676
01:19:25,958 --> 01:19:26,958
true or not. I don't

677
01:19:26,958 --> 01:19:28,291
know the mystery around it

678
01:19:28,291 --> 01:19:29,500
She says she doesn't do it

679
01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:31,500
But there's you know, some people say she

680
01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:33,250
does and there's been some photos that

681
01:19:33,250 --> 01:19:35,666
have been shown online of some, you know

682
01:19:35,666 --> 01:19:36,875
Sometimes she's been hand feeding and

683
01:19:36,875 --> 01:19:38,625
she's taking those down whether that's

684
01:19:38,625 --> 01:19:39,625
just a once in a

685
01:19:39,625 --> 01:19:41,208
lifetime thing or I don't know

686
01:19:41,208 --> 01:19:42,500
Sometimes you can learn from that, but

687
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:43,375
she says she's never done it

688
01:19:43,375 --> 01:19:45,583
She doesn't do it. And so that's a little

689
01:19:45,583 --> 01:19:47,250
weird to me again. It comes down to the

690
01:19:47,250 --> 01:19:48,583
transparency of the thing

691
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,750
So I think that's difficult now. Let's

692
01:19:50,750 --> 01:19:51,791
talk about the fact

693
01:19:51,791 --> 01:19:52,500
that she's an influencer

694
01:19:52,625 --> 01:19:53,583
She's a big influencer

695
01:19:53,583 --> 01:19:54,500
within the ocean space

696
01:19:54,500 --> 01:19:56,250
She has over 2 million followers on

697
01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:58,416
Instagram and other places and a lot of

698
01:19:58,416 --> 01:20:00,250
people love what she does people have

699
01:20:00,250 --> 01:20:01,333
watched this movie and they

700
01:20:01,333 --> 01:20:03,625
Love what she does. They think she is

701
01:20:03,625 --> 01:20:06,166
amazing. That's great. They don't know

702
01:20:06,166 --> 01:20:07,166
it's very difficult to know

703
01:20:07,166 --> 01:20:08,416
She doesn't talk about a lot of the

704
01:20:08,416 --> 01:20:10,083
controversies. She lets it ride

705
01:20:10,083 --> 01:20:10,791
She talks about the

706
01:20:10,791 --> 01:20:11,916
controversies in the film

707
01:20:12,125 --> 01:20:13,166
But it doesn't make it

708
01:20:13,166 --> 01:20:14,000
look like that big of a deal

709
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,041
There looks like there's some researchers

710
01:20:15,041 --> 01:20:17,083
who are on the film who don't agree with

711
01:20:17,083 --> 01:20:18,333
what she does and they talk about that

712
01:20:18,333 --> 01:20:19,500
So it kind of like when I watch I was

713
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:20,250
like, oh, she's actually,

714
01:20:20,250 --> 01:20:21,875
you know facing it head-on

715
01:20:21,916 --> 01:20:23,625
She's talking about it. She just ignores

716
01:20:23,625 --> 01:20:25,000
it and she just does what she does

717
01:20:25,041 --> 01:20:26,708
But there's still like

718
01:20:26,708 --> 01:20:27,833
something weird about it

719
01:20:27,833 --> 01:20:29,625
It just didn't sit right with me

720
01:20:29,958 --> 01:20:31,375
But she does have a lot of followers and

721
01:20:31,375 --> 01:20:33,625
those followers have gone after other

722
01:20:33,625 --> 01:20:35,166
researchers and ocean

723
01:20:35,166 --> 01:20:36,083
scientists and ocean conservation

724
01:20:36,083 --> 01:20:38,583
Who have spoken out and criticized her

725
01:20:38,583 --> 01:20:40,250
for what she does that

726
01:20:40,250 --> 01:20:41,375
is obviously not good now

727
01:20:41,375 --> 01:20:42,083
I don't know if she

728
01:20:42,083 --> 01:20:43,000
says to go out and do it

729
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,583
But the fact is I feel as an influencer

730
01:20:44,583 --> 01:20:46,583
you have that responsibility to kind of

731
01:20:46,583 --> 01:20:47,541
go online is like hey

732
01:20:47,541 --> 01:20:48,833
people if people criticize me

733
01:20:48,875 --> 01:20:50,083
That's fine as part of the job

734
01:20:50,125 --> 01:20:52,083
Please don't go after and you know

735
01:20:52,083 --> 01:20:53,833
threaten their lives or this and that and

736
01:20:53,833 --> 01:20:54,791
blah blah blah which has happened

737
01:20:55,291 --> 01:20:57,333
And so, you know when you have a

738
01:20:57,333 --> 01:20:58,708
following like that and people love you

739
01:20:58,708 --> 01:21:00,875
They defend you but it can get aggressive

740
01:21:00,875 --> 01:21:01,958
it can get scary and

741
01:21:01,958 --> 01:21:03,333
that's not good with that

742
01:21:03,333 --> 01:21:05,625
Said having a following is a really great

743
01:21:05,625 --> 01:21:07,458
thing for conservation, right?

744
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:09,583
You saw it as an example in the film

745
01:21:09,583 --> 01:21:11,458
She talks about you know, basically

746
01:21:11,458 --> 01:21:14,750
inspire her followers to support this

747
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:16,333
movement to ban shark

748
01:21:16,333 --> 01:21:17,291
fishing within Hawaii

749
01:21:17,333 --> 01:21:19,541
Is it huge was gonna save sharks around

750
01:21:19,541 --> 01:21:20,375
the world? No, but it's gonna

751
01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:21,916
save sharks in Hawaii for sure

752
01:21:21,916 --> 01:21:24,083
But you know, it's great to have that

753
01:21:24,083 --> 01:21:25,250
it's great to have that

754
01:21:25,916 --> 01:21:28,833
Unfortunately, it's with probably the

755
01:21:28,833 --> 01:21:30,166
wrong person that can do it for

756
01:21:30,166 --> 01:21:31,041
conservation because she

757
01:21:31,041 --> 01:21:32,541
often provides misinformation

758
01:21:32,708 --> 01:21:34,500
Like I said with the finning she

759
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:36,250
interacts with sharks, which is not good

760
01:21:36,250 --> 01:21:37,500
She teaches people that you can't

761
01:21:37,500 --> 01:21:38,000
interact with sharks

762
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,791
You should interact with sharks and that

763
01:21:39,791 --> 01:21:41,166
can be very dangerous for the sharks as

764
01:21:41,166 --> 01:21:43,166
well as for the people, you know

765
01:21:43,166 --> 01:21:43,708
There's a lot of

766
01:21:43,708 --> 01:21:45,000
controversy here. So why is it?

767
01:21:45,041 --> 01:21:46,666
I always wonder, you know, like why is it

768
01:21:46,666 --> 01:21:48,625
that a lot of people who have followings?

769
01:21:49,291 --> 01:21:50,958
Tend to do some like controversial things

770
01:21:50,958 --> 01:21:52,125
and maybe that's why they have

771
01:21:52,125 --> 01:21:52,625
followings. Maybe

772
01:21:52,625 --> 01:21:53,750
that's why Netflix is like

773
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:55,583
Hey, let's do a documentary on this

774
01:21:55,583 --> 01:21:58,166
person because it's gonna drum up some

775
01:21:58,166 --> 01:21:59,833
controversy just like sea-spiracy did

776
01:22:00,125 --> 01:22:02,416
It's gonna drum up some support because

777
01:22:02,416 --> 01:22:04,333
they have a big following and we'll get a

778
01:22:04,333 --> 01:22:05,041
lot of views and that's

779
01:22:05,041 --> 01:22:05,791
really what it comes out

780
01:22:05,791 --> 01:22:06,916
So they want to make money. They want

781
01:22:06,916 --> 01:22:07,791
people to come to Netflix

782
01:22:07,791 --> 01:22:08,708
and they want to watch it

783
01:22:09,083 --> 01:22:10,166
I would just like to see

784
01:22:10,166 --> 01:22:12,125
other people get the spotlight

785
01:22:12,583 --> 01:22:14,458
People who have done great work people

786
01:22:14,458 --> 01:22:15,416
who are great people

787
01:22:15,583 --> 01:22:17,750
People who want to work with others and

788
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:20,083
collaborate and do conservation the right

789
01:22:20,083 --> 01:22:21,625
way and should get the

790
01:22:21,625 --> 01:22:23,125
spotlight in front of an audience

791
01:22:23,166 --> 01:22:25,916
That has a Netflix type of audience, you

792
01:22:25,916 --> 01:22:26,708
know what I would like to see

793
01:22:26,708 --> 01:22:27,500
I like to see dr

794
01:22:27,541 --> 01:22:30,000
Asha Davos who's a marine mammologist out

795
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,666
of Sri Lanka who discovered the only

796
01:22:32,666 --> 01:22:33,875
population that I think

797
01:22:33,875 --> 01:22:35,375
we know that to this day

798
01:22:35,375 --> 01:22:36,083
I don't know if that's true

799
01:22:36,125 --> 01:22:38,333
But the only blue whale population that

800
01:22:38,333 --> 01:22:40,500
doesn't migrate north or south and stays

801
01:22:40,500 --> 01:22:42,041
within the Sri Lankan waters and worked

802
01:22:42,041 --> 01:22:43,416
with the government as a woman

803
01:22:43,416 --> 01:22:44,791
in Sri Lanka worked with

804
01:22:44,791 --> 01:22:47,333
the government of Sri Lanka to

805
01:22:47,416 --> 01:22:49,833
Reroute one of the largest ports in the

806
01:22:49,833 --> 01:22:52,208
Indian Ocean so that they didn't harm

807
01:22:52,208 --> 01:22:54,125
blue whales and other whales in the area

808
01:22:54,125 --> 01:22:56,375
Like think about what that does a woman

809
01:22:56,375 --> 01:22:58,125
in Sri Lanka one woman Sri Lanka

810
01:22:58,500 --> 01:23:01,583
used her ability to do science and

811
01:23:02,333 --> 01:23:04,583
conservation and her speaking ability and

812
01:23:04,583 --> 01:23:07,708
her ability to inspire people to get a

813
01:23:07,708 --> 01:23:09,750
government who probably doesn't really

814
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:10,750
treat women the best

815
01:23:10,791 --> 01:23:13,208
to change and reroute the shipping lanes

816
01:23:13,208 --> 01:23:15,458
of a port of one of the largest ports if

817
01:23:15,458 --> 01:23:16,750
not the largest port in

818
01:23:16,750 --> 01:23:18,083
in the Indian Ocean and

819
01:23:18,083 --> 01:23:19,500
She speaks all over the world to inspire

820
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:21,041
people all over the world put a show on

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her do an entire documentary on her

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01:23:23,833 --> 01:23:24,916
She's amazing. She's a good friend of

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01:23:24,916 --> 01:23:27,083
mine. So I'm biased. She's amazing. Well,

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01:23:27,083 --> 01:23:27,708
how would you just do that?

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01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:30,625
Dr. Asher Davos look her up watch what

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01:23:30,625 --> 01:23:32,041
she does. She does live streaming a lot

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of times with her marine mammal G

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Surveys and so forth. She talks about

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whale poop, which is

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01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:38,083
fluorescent orange. It's amazing

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01:23:38,125 --> 01:23:39,666
You got to do a documentary on Netflix

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01:23:39,666 --> 01:23:42,583
about her or a good friend of mine Angelo

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01:23:42,583 --> 01:23:44,375
Villa Gomez do a documentary on him

834
01:23:44,375 --> 01:23:46,166
That guy is an amazing guy. He's like a

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brother to me. He is so much fun to talk

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01:23:48,583 --> 01:23:49,750
to he is so interesting

837
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:51,958
He's got an interesting history, right?

838
01:23:51,958 --> 01:23:53,083
He stands up for people

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01:23:53,250 --> 01:23:55,333
He does conservation work and he gives

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01:23:55,333 --> 01:23:58,041
people credit for what they do and takes

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01:23:58,041 --> 01:23:58,833
away credit from him

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01:23:58,833 --> 01:24:00,291
Even though he deserves most of the

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01:24:00,291 --> 01:24:01,375
credit or a lot of the

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credit, but he won't do it himself

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01:24:02,833 --> 01:24:04,833
He's very humble that way do these

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documentaries. That's what I want to see

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I want to see people who have done great

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work in the ocean

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01:24:08,583 --> 01:24:10,000
conservation have a great story

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01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,541
It's time that we start elevating people

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01:24:12,541 --> 01:24:14,375
who can really command

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01:24:14,375 --> 01:24:15,750
and inspire an audience

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01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:16,833
But they need to get in

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01:24:16,833 --> 01:24:17,583
front of that audience

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01:24:17,583 --> 01:24:18,833
These are the people that these

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01:24:18,833 --> 01:24:21,125
documentaries need to be made. I would

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01:24:21,125 --> 01:24:21,916
love to make them myself

858
01:24:22,125 --> 01:24:24,250
I don't have the ability to do so, but

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01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:25,250
these are the people that I would choose

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01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:26,625
These are just two of the people that I

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01:24:26,625 --> 01:24:27,583
would choose. There are so

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01:24:27,583 --> 01:24:29,875
many more now with that said

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01:24:29,875 --> 01:24:31,500
I can't wait for another Netflix

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01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:33,291
especially comes out as I'm recording

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01:24:33,291 --> 01:24:34,458
this it comes up tomorrow

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01:24:34,625 --> 01:24:36,625
There is a woman in there that I've had

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01:24:36,625 --> 01:24:38,416
on the podcast. She's amazing

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01:24:38,416 --> 01:24:39,833
I'm not gonna talk about too much of her

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01:24:39,833 --> 01:24:42,541
right now. She's on this new shark

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01:24:42,833 --> 01:24:44,875
You know, it looks like a reality show

871
01:24:44,875 --> 01:24:46,208
from what I see and they're taking

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01:24:46,208 --> 01:24:46,916
pictures and they're trying

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01:24:46,916 --> 01:24:47,958
to get pictures of as many

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01:24:47,958 --> 01:24:50,041
Different shark species as possible. It

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01:24:50,041 --> 01:24:52,041
looks great. She's a scientist. She just

876
01:24:52,041 --> 01:24:53,625
graduated from master's degree. She's a

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01:24:53,625 --> 01:24:54,250
science communicator

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01:24:54,250 --> 01:24:55,458
She's underwater photographer

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01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:57,708
She's amazing and I can't wait to watch

880
01:24:57,708 --> 01:24:59,166
that and I can't wait to review that and

881
01:24:59,166 --> 01:25:00,458
have her on the podcast to promote

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01:25:00,500 --> 01:25:02,625
That these are the people that we should

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01:25:02,625 --> 01:25:03,875
be, you know focusing on

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01:25:03,875 --> 01:25:04,833
These are the people that we need to

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01:25:04,833 --> 01:25:06,125
elevate and I can't wait and the other

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01:25:06,125 --> 01:25:07,208
people who are on the show with her

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01:25:07,208 --> 01:25:08,791
I can't wait to get to know them

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01:25:09,083 --> 01:25:10,375
These are some of the great things that

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01:25:10,375 --> 01:25:12,500
we should do and I want people to watch

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01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:14,000
the show to really say

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01:25:14,041 --> 01:25:16,666
Hey, we need to support shows like this

892
01:25:16,666 --> 01:25:19,416
on Netflix and not support too much of

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01:25:19,416 --> 01:25:20,333
shows like we see in

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01:25:20,333 --> 01:25:21,458
Ocean Ramses taking credit

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01:25:21,708 --> 01:25:23,958
Spreading misinformation talking about

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01:25:23,958 --> 01:25:25,916
wildlife harassment. It's not great,

897
01:25:25,916 --> 01:25:27,375
right showing why life rasa. It's not

898
01:25:27,375 --> 01:25:28,916
great. This is my episode

899
01:25:28,916 --> 01:25:30,750
This is my review. I would love to hear

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01:25:30,750 --> 01:25:32,458
your thoughts whether you'd like it or

901
01:25:32,458 --> 01:25:33,500
not. No judgment here

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01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:34,708
I want to hear from you

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01:25:34,708 --> 01:25:36,625
Let me know in the comments below on

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01:25:36,625 --> 01:25:37,833
YouTube and of course if you're listening

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01:25:37,833 --> 01:25:39,250
to this on your favorite podcast app

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01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:40,291
You can get a hold of me

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01:25:40,291 --> 01:25:41,208
go to speakupforblue.com

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01:25:42,250 --> 01:25:44,250
contact fill out the form goes right to

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01:25:44,250 --> 01:25:46,541
my email or you can DM me on Instagram at

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how to protect the ocean I want to

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01:25:48,250 --> 01:25:49,375
Thank you so much for listening to this

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episode of the how to protect the ocean

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podcast. Have a great day

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I'm your host Andrew Lewin from the true

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01:25:53,583 --> 01:25:54,958
north strong and free. Have a great day

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01:25:54,958 --> 01:25:55,541
We'll talk to you next

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time and happy conservation