May 29, 2025

Ocean with David Attenborough: Why There’s Still Hope for the Sea

Ocean with David Attenborough: Why There’s Still Hope for the Sea

Ocean recovery is not just possible, it’s already happening in places where we’ve taken action. In this episode, I dive into Ocean with David Attenborough , a documentary that reminds us of the ocean’s incredible resilience. From thriving coral reefs to fish populations bouncing back, the film offers powerful proof that when we give marine ecosystems space and protection, they can heal faster than we think. It’s a rare example of ocean storytelling that balances urgency with genuine optimism.

Bottom trawling , however, threatens that progress. The documentary pulls back the curtain on this destructive fishing method, revealing how vast swaths of ocean floor are scraped clean, alongside the fish, sharks, and invertebrates that live there. The fishing industry’s backlash has been swift, but the film doesn’t dwell on blame. Instead, it shows us that even in damaged habitats, life can return when given the chance. The hope is real—but only if we act now.

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Transcript
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I just came back

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from watching the

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movie Ocean

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narrated by Sir

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David

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Attenborough and

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I have to admit I

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loved it

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I'm not usually a

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huge fan of

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documentaries

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that are

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this size

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Although

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everything Sir

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David

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Attenborough is a

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part of seems to

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do really well

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and I

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really like it

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couple of years

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there have been

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some

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documentaries

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have come out

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I'm not even

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gonna mention

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some of them that

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have been totally

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off. I really

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like this movie

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I'm gonna talk

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about what I

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liked why I like

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the message of

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hope and also

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we're gonna talk

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about some of the

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this movie

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because there's

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always

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controversial

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there's criticism

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from the fishing

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industry

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about the bottom

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trawling that was

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talked about in

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this movie as

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well as the

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marine protected

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areas that was

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talked about

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In this movie on

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this episode of

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the how to

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protect the ocean

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podcast. Let's

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start the show

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Hey everybody,

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welcome back to

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another exciting

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episode of the

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how to protect

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the ocean podcast

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I'm your host

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Andrew Lewin and

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this is the

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podcast where you

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find out what's

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happening with

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the ocean how you

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could

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speak up for

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The ocean and

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what you can do

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to live for a

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better ocean by

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taking action on

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today's episode

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We're gonna be

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talking about a

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movie that I just

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came back from

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seeing

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called ocean

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you exactly what

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it's all about

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ocean is by Sir

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Attenborough

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narrated by Sir

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Attenborough

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He is 99 years

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old folks

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99 and for the

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past

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on this movie

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that was released

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in theaters and

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selected theaters

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venue for me that

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I went to him

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these big big

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movie, but it was

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messaging some

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clear up a little

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bit and also it

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just opens the

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conversation to a

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lot more

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that and I think

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it's really great

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that it does that

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it was released

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on purpose before

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the ocean decade

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conference

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it in the film

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something where

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it's like hey,

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you know what?

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be able to

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protect our

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oceans and land

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especially and we

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need to do that

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at this

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conference and we

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need to get some

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great results

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on all the

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negotiators at

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this conference

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to come out with some

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great results

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I will actually

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be there at that

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conference

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the lowdown of

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what I

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what I saw at

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this conference

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I'm going to a

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bunch of side

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events not the

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main conference,

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there's gonna be

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lots to

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talk about

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the movie of why

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I loved

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this movie

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It really comes

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out to the

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messaging the

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messaging of hope

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a lot of times

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I've seen these

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documentaries and

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they talk a lot

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about the

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destruction

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that's happening

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a lot of times

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they cover

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looking at the

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major ones over

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fishing

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problems with

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other pollution

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pollution

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coastal lines

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aquaculture and

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a couple of them

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coral bleaching

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depressing

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message of hope

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and they really

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talk about the

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conservation

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you what is wrong

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to tell you how

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you can do and

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you just leave

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the people with

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this pessimism of

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the ocean of

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what's happening

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where people are

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just giving up.

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we can't do

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anything

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who cares

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gonna give up

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eating and

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getting on a diet

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if you don't see

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the results that

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you want

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that diet and you

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almost eat worse

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than what you did

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restrict yourself

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important that

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messaging that

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comes out of

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these

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positive has to

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show hope we love

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movies with

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hope humans

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hope hence the

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Star Wars

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trilogies have

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messages of hope

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That's what it's

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all about and

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that's what ocean

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is all about.

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the movie

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beauty of the

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ocean what I

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it right at the

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connection of the

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deep sea to the

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01:03:59,291 --> 01:04:00,625
surface right off

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01:04:00,625 --> 01:04:01,458
the bat. We see a

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01:04:01,458 --> 01:04:01,916
bait ball

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01:04:01,916 --> 01:04:02,625
We see a bunch of

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01:04:02,625 --> 01:04:03,250
sharks. We see

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01:04:03,250 --> 01:04:03,625
dolphins

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01:04:03,625 --> 01:04:05,083
We see whales and

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01:04:05,083 --> 01:04:05,708
then we all of a

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01:04:05,708 --> 01:04:06,541
sudden we see sea

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01:04:06,541 --> 01:04:07,708
mounts and David

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01:04:07,708 --> 01:04:08,166
Adam Brill's

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01:04:08,166 --> 01:04:08,875
talking about how

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01:04:08,875 --> 01:04:09,666
sea mounts play

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01:04:09,666 --> 01:04:09,791
an important

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01:04:09,916 --> 01:04:11,041
Role to bring up

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01:04:11,041 --> 01:04:11,791
nutrients from

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01:04:11,791 --> 01:04:12,541
the bottom of the

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01:04:12,541 --> 01:04:13,125
ocean the deep

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01:04:13,125 --> 01:04:13,958
sea to the

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01:04:13,958 --> 01:04:15,208
surface to feed

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01:04:15,208 --> 01:04:16,250
all of these

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01:04:16,500 --> 01:04:17,500
traveling species

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01:04:17,625 --> 01:04:18,750
It's really

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01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:19,541
really well done

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01:04:19,541 --> 01:04:20,583
and then talks a

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01:04:20,583 --> 01:04:21,041
lot about the

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01:04:21,041 --> 01:04:21,833
canyons that are

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01:04:21,833 --> 01:04:22,416
down there and

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01:04:22,416 --> 01:04:23,041
how many sea

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01:04:23,041 --> 01:04:23,416
mounts are

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01:04:23,416 --> 01:04:23,791
down there

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01:04:23,791 --> 01:04:24,500
Where they are

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01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:24,958
and they show

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01:04:24,958 --> 01:04:26,291
this almost 3d

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01:04:26,291 --> 01:04:27,041
image of the

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01:04:27,041 --> 01:04:27,583
bottom of the

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01:04:27,583 --> 01:04:28,583
ocean really

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01:04:28,583 --> 01:04:29,208
giving a

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01:04:29,208 --> 01:04:29,750
perspective

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01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:30,458
of how?

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01:04:31,458 --> 01:04:31,833
Productive the

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01:04:31,833 --> 01:04:33,083
ocean can be I

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01:04:33,083 --> 01:04:33,500
think a lot of

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01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:34,166
times when we see

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01:04:34,166 --> 01:04:35,166
open ocean we see

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01:04:35,166 --> 01:04:35,833
it as a barren

356
01:04:36,541 --> 01:04:37,666
Waterway a barren

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01:04:37,666 --> 01:04:38,458
just a water

358
01:04:38,458 --> 01:04:39,041
column and we

359
01:04:39,041 --> 01:04:39,750
don't see much

360
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:40,458
happening other

361
01:04:40,458 --> 01:04:41,208
than maybe a

362
01:04:41,208 --> 01:04:42,250
whale or two or

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01:04:42,250 --> 01:04:43,000
maybe a shark

364
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:43,541
That's you know

365
01:04:43,541 --> 01:04:44,083
traveling from

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01:04:44,083 --> 01:04:44,791
one place to

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01:04:44,791 --> 01:04:45,833
another we don't

368
01:04:45,833 --> 01:04:46,458
think about the

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01:04:46,458 --> 01:04:46,791
connection

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01:04:46,791 --> 01:04:47,500
between the deep

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01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:48,541
sea and the

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01:04:48,541 --> 01:04:49,041
surface was

373
01:04:49,041 --> 01:04:49,666
right away

374
01:04:49,666 --> 01:04:50,375
I think it really

375
01:04:50,375 --> 01:04:50,958
brings up

376
01:04:50,958 --> 01:04:51,666
the you know

377
01:04:51,666 --> 01:04:52,375
How we're messing

378
01:04:52,375 --> 01:04:53,250
around with the

379
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:54,125
deep sea too much

380
01:04:54,125 --> 01:04:54,750
talking about

381
01:04:54,750 --> 01:04:55,625
deep sea mining

382
01:04:55,625 --> 01:04:56,291
and so forth

383
01:04:56,291 --> 01:04:56,958
really gives

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01:04:56,958 --> 01:04:57,250
people

385
01:04:57,250 --> 01:04:57,958
perspective that

386
01:04:57,958 --> 01:04:58,375
it's all

387
01:04:58,458 --> 01:04:59,333
Connected and

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01:04:59,333 --> 01:04:59,916
that we need to

389
01:04:59,916 --> 01:05:00,416
be careful

390
01:05:00,416 --> 01:05:01,000
doesn't mention

391
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:01,666
deep sea mining

392
01:05:01,791 --> 01:05:02,583
But you kind of

393
01:05:02,583 --> 01:05:03,375
like somebody who

394
01:05:03,375 --> 01:05:04,166
covers ocean all

395
01:05:04,166 --> 01:05:04,458
the time

396
01:05:04,458 --> 01:05:05,125
I'm like this is

397
01:05:05,125 --> 01:05:06,291
a great way to

398
01:05:06,291 --> 01:05:06,916
get people to

399
01:05:06,916 --> 01:05:07,250
really think

400
01:05:07,250 --> 01:05:07,833
about the deep

401
01:05:07,833 --> 01:05:09,000
sea and how it's

402
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:09,666
connected to the

403
01:05:09,666 --> 01:05:10,500
surface and how

404
01:05:10,583 --> 01:05:11,291
we could benefit

405
01:05:11,291 --> 01:05:12,166
as humans and

406
01:05:12,166 --> 01:05:12,708
bringing up

407
01:05:12,708 --> 01:05:14,208
plankton that you

408
01:05:14,208 --> 01:05:15,000
know bring in a

409
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:15,416
third of the

410
01:05:15,416 --> 01:05:15,666
carbon

411
01:05:15,666 --> 01:05:16,750
dioxide and

412
01:05:16,750 --> 01:05:17,291
Absorb the third

413
01:05:17,291 --> 01:05:17,708
of the carbon

414
01:05:17,708 --> 01:05:18,583
dioxide in our

415
01:05:18,583 --> 01:05:19,666
atmosphere and

416
01:05:19,666 --> 01:05:20,208
how important

417
01:05:20,208 --> 01:05:21,166
that is just from

418
01:05:21,166 --> 01:05:21,750
a climate change

419
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:22,375
reduction point

420
01:05:22,375 --> 01:05:23,000
of view and it

421
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:23,416
Doesn't talk

422
01:05:23,416 --> 01:05:23,958
about the

423
01:05:23,958 --> 01:05:25,000
productive nature

424
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,041
of upwellings

425
01:05:26,125 --> 01:05:27,083
Which is bringing

426
01:05:27,083 --> 01:05:27,875
nutrients from

427
01:05:27,875 --> 01:05:28,500
the deep sea to

428
01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:29,416
the surface so

429
01:05:29,416 --> 01:05:30,125
that animals can

430
01:05:30,125 --> 01:05:31,000
like whales and

431
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,416
dolphins and tuna

432
01:05:32,416 --> 01:05:32,875
and all

433
01:05:32,875 --> 01:05:33,416
those animals

434
01:05:33,416 --> 01:05:34,500
Can feed off of

435
01:05:34,500 --> 01:05:35,000
especially if

436
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:35,666
they're migratory

437
01:05:35,666 --> 01:05:36,833
species. It was a

438
01:05:36,833 --> 01:05:37,458
great way of

439
01:05:37,458 --> 01:05:37,958
depicting it

440
01:05:37,958 --> 01:05:38,958
I loved right off

441
01:05:38,958 --> 01:05:39,541
the bat just

442
01:05:39,541 --> 01:05:40,125
depicting it

443
01:05:40,125 --> 01:05:40,750
right away. I

444
01:05:40,750 --> 01:05:41,041
thought it was

445
01:05:41,041 --> 01:05:41,916
really well done

446
01:05:42,250 --> 01:05:42,708
I did something

447
01:05:42,708 --> 01:05:43,625
that I think we

448
01:05:43,625 --> 01:05:44,583
need to know from

449
01:05:44,583 --> 01:05:45,291
a perspective

450
01:05:45,291 --> 01:05:46,083
then it starts

451
01:05:46,083 --> 01:05:46,791
talking about

452
01:05:46,791 --> 01:05:47,458
different

453
01:05:47,625 --> 01:05:48,458
Habitats around

454
01:05:48,458 --> 01:05:49,333
the world, you

455
01:05:49,333 --> 01:05:50,000
know, we see

456
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,916
areas in Africa.

457
01:05:51,916 --> 01:05:53,333
We see areas in

458
01:05:53,333 --> 01:05:54,208
the northern UK

459
01:05:54,541 --> 01:05:56,291
We see areas into

460
01:05:56,291 --> 01:05:56,708
the Channel

461
01:05:56,708 --> 01:05:57,875
Islands and we

462
01:05:57,875 --> 01:05:58,416
see a lot of

463
01:05:58,416 --> 01:05:59,125
different areas a

464
01:05:59,125 --> 01:05:59,958
lot of different

465
01:05:59,958 --> 01:06:00,916
like kelp forests

466
01:06:00,916 --> 01:06:01,458
And then we see

467
01:06:01,458 --> 01:06:02,166
these scallop

468
01:06:02,166 --> 01:06:03,333
beds we get to

469
01:06:03,333 --> 01:06:03,958
see these coral

470
01:06:03,958 --> 01:06:04,833
reefs like in the

471
01:06:04,833 --> 01:06:05,541
Indo-Pacific and

472
01:06:05,541 --> 01:06:05,958
so forth

473
01:06:06,041 --> 01:06:06,833
It's just a

474
01:06:06,833 --> 01:06:07,500
really good

475
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:08,541
depiction of the

476
01:06:08,541 --> 01:06:09,208
different types

477
01:06:09,208 --> 01:06:09,875
of environments

478
01:06:09,875 --> 01:06:10,625
that are around

479
01:06:10,625 --> 01:06:11,125
talks

480
01:06:11,125 --> 01:06:11,791
about you know

481
01:06:11,791 --> 01:06:12,875
The discovery of

482
01:06:12,875 --> 01:06:13,625
this massive

483
01:06:13,625 --> 01:06:14,666
seagrass bed that

484
01:06:14,666 --> 01:06:15,500
we discovered a

485
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:15,833
couple of

486
01:06:15,833 --> 01:06:16,333
years ago

487
01:06:16,333 --> 01:06:16,833
That was

488
01:06:16,833 --> 01:06:17,583
discovered by

489
01:06:17,583 --> 01:06:18,708
work done by dr

490
01:06:18,791 --> 01:06:19,375
Austin Gallagher

491
01:06:19,375 --> 01:06:19,833
friend of the

492
01:06:19,833 --> 01:06:21,041
podcast in his

493
01:06:21,041 --> 01:06:21,750
team of beneath

494
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:22,041
the waves

495
01:06:22,083 --> 01:06:23,166
It was great to

496
01:06:23,166 --> 01:06:23,833
see all these

497
01:06:23,833 --> 01:06:24,875
depicted wasn't

498
01:06:24,875 --> 01:06:25,666
just coral reefs

499
01:06:25,666 --> 01:06:26,000
that

500
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:26,625
showed benefit

501
01:06:26,625 --> 01:06:27,208
It was all these

502
01:06:27,208 --> 01:06:27,583
different

503
01:06:27,583 --> 01:06:28,458
habitats that had

504
01:06:28,458 --> 01:06:29,541
beautiful colors

505
01:06:29,541 --> 01:06:30,458
and fish from all

506
01:06:30,458 --> 01:06:31,000
over and people

507
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:31,791
talking about

508
01:06:31,791 --> 01:06:32,875
How important it

509
01:06:32,875 --> 01:06:33,541
is for them to

510
01:06:33,541 --> 01:06:34,458
fish talked

511
01:06:34,458 --> 01:06:35,291
a lot about?

512
01:06:35,875 --> 01:06:36,875
artisanal fishers

513
01:06:36,875 --> 01:06:38,333
so local fishers

514
01:06:38,333 --> 01:06:38,625
that are

515
01:06:38,625 --> 01:06:39,208
really just

516
01:06:39,333 --> 01:06:39,791
Benefiting

517
01:06:39,791 --> 01:06:40,583
themselves by

518
01:06:40,583 --> 01:06:41,916
fishing and want

519
01:06:41,916 --> 01:06:42,500
to fish for

520
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:43,208
generations and

521
01:06:43,208 --> 01:06:43,583
generations

522
01:06:43,583 --> 01:06:44,250
generations are

523
01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:45,166
looking to be

524
01:06:45,166 --> 01:06:45,666
more sustainable

525
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:47,333
Working with

526
01:06:47,333 --> 01:06:47,708
probably

527
01:06:47,708 --> 01:06:48,541
scientists and

528
01:06:48,541 --> 01:06:49,125
governments and

529
01:06:49,125 --> 01:06:50,083
so forth to be

530
01:06:50,083 --> 01:06:51,083
more sustainable

531
01:06:51,083 --> 01:06:51,583
And I think

532
01:06:51,583 --> 01:06:52,416
that's a really

533
01:06:52,416 --> 01:06:53,625
important message

534
01:06:53,708 --> 01:06:54,416
Especially as

535
01:06:54,416 --> 01:06:55,291
they get more and

536
01:06:55,291 --> 01:06:56,250
more into the

537
01:06:56,250 --> 01:06:56,833
movie because

538
01:06:56,833 --> 01:06:57,291
when they get

539
01:06:57,291 --> 01:06:57,791
into the movie

540
01:06:57,791 --> 01:06:58,458
they talk about

541
01:06:59,166 --> 01:06:59,666
Industrial

542
01:06:59,666 --> 01:07:00,916
fishing in this

543
01:07:00,916 --> 01:07:01,375
movie they're

544
01:07:01,375 --> 01:07:01,875
focusing on

545
01:07:01,875 --> 01:07:02,500
industrial

546
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:03,750
trawling and they

547
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:04,333
even have

548
01:07:04,583 --> 01:07:05,333
cameras that are

549
01:07:05,333 --> 01:07:06,000
hooked up to the

550
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:06,791
trolls multiple

551
01:07:06,791 --> 01:07:07,875
angle cameras

552
01:07:07,875 --> 01:07:08,541
that are hooked

553
01:07:08,541 --> 01:07:09,166
up to a trial to

554
01:07:09,166 --> 01:07:09,875
show how

555
01:07:10,166 --> 01:07:10,916
Devastating a

556
01:07:10,916 --> 01:07:12,333
trawl could be a

557
01:07:12,333 --> 01:07:12,875
trawl that comes

558
01:07:12,875 --> 01:07:13,791
through I've

559
01:07:13,791 --> 01:07:14,250
talked about this

560
01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:14,750
a number of times

561
01:07:14,791 --> 01:07:15,041
We'll go

562
01:07:15,041 --> 01:07:15,500
over quickly

563
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:16,125
It has these

564
01:07:16,125 --> 01:07:17,375
doors that sink

565
01:07:17,375 --> 01:07:18,166
and open up the

566
01:07:18,166 --> 01:07:19,125
net it has a

567
01:07:19,125 --> 01:07:19,583
chain that

568
01:07:19,583 --> 01:07:20,000
connects the

569
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:20,458
doors at the

570
01:07:20,458 --> 01:07:20,916
beginning the

571
01:07:20,916 --> 01:07:21,375
entrance of

572
01:07:21,375 --> 01:07:21,833
The nets a

573
01:07:21,833 --> 01:07:22,625
massive net that

574
01:07:22,625 --> 01:07:23,958
trails behind and

575
01:07:23,958 --> 01:07:24,416
then it just

576
01:07:24,416 --> 01:07:25,375
scrapes

577
01:07:25,375 --> 01:07:25,958
the bottom

578
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,125
With that chain

579
01:07:27,125 --> 01:07:27,750
and it takes

580
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:28,625
everything every

581
01:07:28,625 --> 01:07:29,583
fish and critter

582
01:07:29,583 --> 01:07:30,125
that's in there

583
01:07:30,125 --> 01:07:30,666
and it'll

584
01:07:30,666 --> 01:07:31,416
put it up now

585
01:07:31,458 --> 01:07:32,375
We're gonna talk

586
01:07:32,375 --> 01:07:33,166
a little bit more

587
01:07:33,166 --> 01:07:34,333
in a bit about

588
01:07:34,333 --> 01:07:35,250
trawling and how

589
01:07:35,250 --> 01:07:35,750
they could be

590
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:36,333
changed and how

591
01:07:36,333 --> 01:07:36,583
it's

592
01:07:36,583 --> 01:07:37,416
optimized to be

593
01:07:37,416 --> 01:07:38,666
A little better

594
01:07:38,666 --> 01:07:39,333
we're gonna talk

595
01:07:39,333 --> 01:07:40,000
about that in a

596
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:40,541
bit, but that's

597
01:07:40,541 --> 01:07:40,958
what it shows

598
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:41,708
It shows kind of

599
01:07:41,708 --> 01:07:42,333
the devastation

600
01:07:42,333 --> 01:07:43,458
that it leaves

601
01:07:43,458 --> 01:07:44,791
You know in its

602
01:07:44,791 --> 01:07:46,375
path as this wide

603
01:07:46,375 --> 01:07:47,208
opening say 10

604
01:07:47,208 --> 01:07:48,041
foot may 20 foot

605
01:07:48,041 --> 01:07:49,000
wide opening net

606
01:07:49,041 --> 01:07:49,916
Just destroys

607
01:07:49,916 --> 01:07:50,625
everything in its

608
01:07:50,625 --> 01:07:51,291
path and it goes

609
01:07:51,291 --> 01:07:51,791
for a certain

610
01:07:51,791 --> 01:07:52,125
amount of

611
01:07:52,125 --> 01:07:52,958
kilometers and

612
01:07:52,958 --> 01:07:53,583
then it pans out

613
01:07:53,583 --> 01:07:54,083
to a drone

614
01:07:54,083 --> 01:07:54,583
It shows the

615
01:07:54,583 --> 01:07:55,458
different paths

616
01:07:55,458 --> 01:07:56,250
which are very

617
01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:57,500
narrow paths, you

618
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:58,000
know, just to

619
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:58,500
look at it from

620
01:07:58,500 --> 01:07:59,208
that perspective

621
01:07:59,208 --> 01:08:00,000
But we're gonna

622
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:00,583
talk a little bit

623
01:08:00,583 --> 01:08:01,625
about why they're

624
01:08:01,625 --> 01:08:02,041
showing these

625
01:08:02,041 --> 01:08:02,416
trolls because

626
01:08:02,416 --> 01:08:02,750
they're talking

627
01:08:02,750 --> 01:08:03,208
about how

628
01:08:03,208 --> 01:08:04,250
trolls are

629
01:08:04,250 --> 01:08:05,541
Allowed to go and

630
01:08:05,541 --> 01:08:05,958
pretty much

631
01:08:05,958 --> 01:08:06,750
anywhere in

632
01:08:06,750 --> 01:08:07,583
certain countries

633
01:08:07,583 --> 01:08:08,500
in the UK. There

634
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:09,083
was a study that

635
01:08:09,083 --> 01:08:09,458
was released

636
01:08:09,541 --> 01:08:10,083
I think I covered

637
01:08:10,083 --> 01:08:10,750
it on the podcast

638
01:08:10,750 --> 01:08:13,208
90% of the MPAs

639
01:08:13,208 --> 01:08:14,500
in the UK allow

640
01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:15,333
bottom trawling

641
01:08:15,333 --> 01:08:16,375
now if you think

642
01:08:16,375 --> 01:08:17,500
about an MPa

643
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:17,958
Which it talks

644
01:08:17,958 --> 01:08:18,375
about in the

645
01:08:18,375 --> 01:08:19,416
episode as one of

646
01:08:19,416 --> 01:08:19,500
those

647
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:20,208
hopeful things

648
01:08:20,208 --> 01:08:20,708
It says look

649
01:08:20,708 --> 01:08:21,416
here's this

650
01:08:21,416 --> 01:08:21,916
fishing this

651
01:08:21,916 --> 01:08:22,666
devastating fish

652
01:08:22,666 --> 01:08:23,750
in that if you

653
01:08:23,750 --> 01:08:24,875
use trawling over

654
01:08:24,875 --> 01:08:25,666
and over and over

655
01:08:25,666 --> 01:08:26,041
again the

656
01:08:26,041 --> 01:08:26,500
same area

657
01:08:26,625 --> 01:08:27,000
It's gonna

658
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:27,708
destroy the

659
01:08:27,708 --> 01:08:28,541
habitat and we'll

660
01:08:28,541 --> 01:08:29,083
get into that a

661
01:08:29,083 --> 01:08:30,208
little bit, but

662
01:08:30,208 --> 01:08:31,250
we could get

663
01:08:31,250 --> 01:08:31,833
away from it

664
01:08:31,833 --> 01:08:32,416
It talks a lot

665
01:08:32,416 --> 01:08:32,750
about this

666
01:08:32,750 --> 01:08:33,416
depressing stuff

667
01:08:33,416 --> 01:08:33,833
and you get

668
01:08:33,833 --> 01:08:34,166
depressing

669
01:08:34,166 --> 01:08:34,625
I was watching

670
01:08:34,625 --> 01:08:35,125
with my daughter

671
01:08:35,125 --> 01:08:35,583
my daughter says

672
01:08:35,583 --> 01:08:36,583
she even cried in

673
01:08:36,583 --> 01:08:36,875
certain

674
01:08:36,875 --> 01:08:37,583
situations there

675
01:08:37,583 --> 01:08:38,208
because it was so

676
01:08:38,208 --> 01:08:38,625
depressing

677
01:08:38,625 --> 01:08:39,125
to see these

678
01:08:39,166 --> 01:08:40,125
animals suffering

679
01:08:40,125 --> 01:08:40,458
like

680
01:08:40,458 --> 01:08:41,416
invertebrates and

681
01:08:41,416 --> 01:08:42,000
so forth and just

682
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:42,875
a barren sea

683
01:08:42,875 --> 01:08:43,666
after seeing such

684
01:08:43,666 --> 01:08:44,875
a productive area

685
01:08:45,166 --> 01:08:46,125
But then it goes

686
01:08:46,125 --> 01:08:47,000
into some hope it

687
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:47,333
says hey

688
01:08:47,333 --> 01:08:48,166
You know what the

689
01:08:48,166 --> 01:08:49,041
ocean can recover

690
01:08:49,041 --> 01:08:49,291
really quickly

691
01:08:49,291 --> 01:08:50,708
when it recovers

692
01:08:50,708 --> 01:08:51,375
really quickly is

693
01:08:51,375 --> 01:08:52,041
once we start

694
01:08:52,041 --> 01:08:52,833
telling people

695
01:08:52,833 --> 01:08:53,125
that you

696
01:08:53,125 --> 01:08:53,625
can't fish

697
01:08:53,625 --> 01:08:54,416
In certain areas

698
01:08:54,416 --> 01:08:55,250
certain areas are

699
01:08:55,250 --> 01:08:55,958
known to be

700
01:08:55,958 --> 01:08:56,666
productive and

701
01:08:56,666 --> 01:08:57,666
once those areas

702
01:08:57,666 --> 01:08:58,333
are productive

703
01:08:58,333 --> 01:08:59,000
and fish are

704
01:08:59,000 --> 01:08:59,625
allowed to come

705
01:08:59,625 --> 01:09:00,458
back and regulate

706
01:09:00,458 --> 01:09:02,041
The habitat then

707
01:09:02,041 --> 01:09:02,666
they start to

708
01:09:02,666 --> 01:09:03,375
have a spillover

709
01:09:03,375 --> 01:09:04,125
effect outside

710
01:09:04,125 --> 01:09:05,416
the boundaries of

711
01:09:05,416 --> 01:09:06,041
the marine

712
01:09:06,041 --> 01:09:06,708
protected area

713
01:09:06,791 --> 01:09:07,583
And then that

714
01:09:07,583 --> 01:09:07,958
could spill

715
01:09:07,958 --> 01:09:08,750
effect can go for

716
01:09:08,750 --> 01:09:09,250
kilometers

717
01:09:09,250 --> 01:09:09,833
depending on the

718
01:09:09,833 --> 01:09:10,541
species and its

719
01:09:10,541 --> 01:09:11,416
larval dispersal

720
01:09:11,416 --> 01:09:11,750
rates and

721
01:09:11,750 --> 01:09:12,000
everything

722
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:12,416
like that

723
01:09:12,416 --> 01:09:13,750
And it has such a

724
01:09:13,750 --> 01:09:14,458
benefit. I want

725
01:09:14,458 --> 01:09:15,000
you to watch the

726
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,041
movie. So I'm not

727
01:09:16,041 --> 01:09:16,458
gonna say the

728
01:09:16,458 --> 01:09:16,916
whole explanation

729
01:09:16,916 --> 01:09:17,333
I want you to

730
01:09:17,333 --> 01:09:17,916
watch the movie

731
01:09:17,916 --> 01:09:18,333
because the

732
01:09:18,333 --> 01:09:19,583
imagery and the

733
01:09:19,583 --> 01:09:20,333
videography

734
01:09:20,333 --> 01:09:21,208
is just

735
01:09:21,875 --> 01:09:22,875
Phenomenal, you

736
01:09:22,875 --> 01:09:23,500
know seeing the

737
01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:23,708
different colors

738
01:09:23,708 --> 01:09:25,375
of the shallows

739
01:09:25,375 --> 01:09:25,791
and different

740
01:09:25,791 --> 01:09:26,583
colors of the

741
01:09:26,583 --> 01:09:27,000
deep sea

742
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:27,375
It's just

743
01:09:27,375 --> 01:09:27,958
amazing. So you

744
01:09:27,958 --> 01:09:28,625
have to watch it,

745
01:09:28,625 --> 01:09:29,375
but that was part

746
01:09:29,375 --> 01:09:29,666
of the message

747
01:09:29,666 --> 01:09:30,416
was this hope I

748
01:09:30,416 --> 01:09:30,541
was like,

749
01:09:30,541 --> 01:09:31,000
oh, okay

750
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:31,375
So they're

751
01:09:31,375 --> 01:09:31,750
talking about a

752
01:09:31,750 --> 01:09:32,375
lot of depressing

753
01:09:32,375 --> 01:09:33,041
stuff. They

754
01:09:33,041 --> 01:09:33,500
didn't spend the

755
01:09:33,500 --> 01:09:34,166
whole movie on it

756
01:09:34,208 --> 01:09:34,708
But they talked a

757
01:09:34,708 --> 01:09:35,208
lot about the

758
01:09:35,208 --> 01:09:36,041
hope and MPAs

759
01:09:36,041 --> 01:09:36,708
then they started

760
01:09:36,708 --> 01:09:37,208
talking about the

761
01:09:37,208 --> 01:09:37,875
problem with some

762
01:09:37,875 --> 01:09:38,583
MPAs in the way

763
01:09:38,583 --> 01:09:39,041
they're managed

764
01:09:39,125 --> 01:09:39,666
Which is great.

765
01:09:39,666 --> 01:09:40,041
They could have

766
01:09:40,041 --> 01:09:40,500
gone into a

767
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:40,833
little bit

768
01:09:40,833 --> 01:09:41,375
more detail

769
01:09:41,375 --> 01:09:42,083
But I know what

770
01:09:42,083 --> 01:09:42,541
they were trying

771
01:09:42,541 --> 01:09:43,500
to do and then

772
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:43,958
they started to

773
01:09:43,958 --> 01:09:44,333
come back and

774
01:09:44,333 --> 01:09:44,833
they say hey, you

775
01:09:44,833 --> 01:09:45,125
know what?

776
01:09:45,125 --> 01:09:45,583
We've actually

777
01:09:45,583 --> 01:09:46,541
had some great

778
01:09:46,541 --> 01:09:46,958
things the

779
01:09:46,958 --> 01:09:47,583
Channel Islands

780
01:09:47,583 --> 01:09:48,416
off the coast of

781
01:09:48,416 --> 01:09:48,958
California

782
01:09:48,958 --> 01:09:49,500
in the USA

783
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:49,958
The Channel

784
01:09:49,958 --> 01:09:50,416
Islands came back

785
01:09:50,416 --> 01:09:51,500
and they had a

786
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:52,041
marine protected

787
01:09:52,041 --> 01:09:52,833
area and people

788
01:09:52,833 --> 01:09:53,416
said oh, you know

789
01:09:53,416 --> 01:09:54,041
after a while

790
01:09:54,041 --> 01:09:54,708
We started to see

791
01:09:54,708 --> 01:09:55,500
changes happening

792
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:56,041
and then we

793
01:09:56,041 --> 01:09:56,500
started to get

794
01:09:56,500 --> 01:09:57,708
record numbers of

795
01:09:57,708 --> 01:09:58,208
catches in

796
01:09:58,208 --> 01:09:58,500
this case

797
01:09:58,500 --> 01:09:59,208
It was lobsters

798
01:09:59,208 --> 01:09:59,875
finally, so you

799
01:09:59,875 --> 01:10:00,458
started to see

800
01:10:00,458 --> 01:10:00,916
this and you're

801
01:10:00,916 --> 01:10:01,666
like, okay, so

802
01:10:01,666 --> 01:10:01,916
this is

803
01:10:01,916 --> 01:10:02,500
actually working

804
01:10:02,666 --> 01:10:03,500
We've seen this

805
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:04,125
before in the

806
01:10:04,125 --> 01:10:04,500
literature

807
01:10:04,541 --> 01:10:05,333
We've seen marine

808
01:10:05,333 --> 01:10:06,083
protected areas

809
01:10:06,083 --> 01:10:06,625
that if done

810
01:10:06,625 --> 01:10:07,541
properly and

811
01:10:07,541 --> 01:10:08,458
managed properly

812
01:10:08,458 --> 01:10:09,000
and enforced

813
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:09,500
properly

814
01:10:09,625 --> 01:10:11,125
You can see a

815
01:10:11,125 --> 01:10:12,625
change back to

816
01:10:12,625 --> 01:10:13,416
the system that

817
01:10:13,416 --> 01:10:14,083
was productive

818
01:10:14,083 --> 01:10:15,375
and a change in

819
01:10:15,375 --> 01:10:15,875
the habitat

820
01:10:15,875 --> 01:10:16,583
So that was

821
01:10:16,583 --> 01:10:17,791
really great the

822
01:10:17,791 --> 01:10:19,000
messaging overall

823
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,125
was like we have

824
01:10:20,125 --> 01:10:20,875
hope the ocean

825
01:10:20,875 --> 01:10:21,500
can recover

826
01:10:21,500 --> 01:10:22,250
There are people

827
01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:23,208
that can do some

828
01:10:23,208 --> 01:10:23,541
really

829
01:10:23,541 --> 01:10:24,250
great things

830
01:10:24,250 --> 01:10:25,666
They talked also

831
01:10:25,666 --> 01:10:26,500
about Antarctica

832
01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:27,083
and some of the

833
01:10:27,083 --> 01:10:27,666
trawling that's

834
01:10:27,666 --> 01:10:27,875
happening

835
01:10:27,875 --> 01:10:28,500
Antarctica for

836
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:29,541
krill and how the

837
01:10:29,541 --> 01:10:29,958
whales are

838
01:10:29,958 --> 01:10:30,541
using that

839
01:10:30,583 --> 01:10:31,291
Area at the

840
01:10:31,291 --> 01:10:32,166
Southern Ocean to

841
01:10:32,166 --> 01:10:33,125
get krill and now

842
01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:33,500
they're running

843
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:34,000
out of food

844
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:34,541
So what's gonna

845
01:10:34,541 --> 01:10:35,208
happen with the

846
01:10:35,208 --> 01:10:36,083
whales they even

847
01:10:36,083 --> 01:10:37,083
talked about the

848
01:10:37,083 --> 01:10:37,958
recovery near the

849
01:10:37,958 --> 01:10:38,458
end especially

850
01:10:38,458 --> 01:10:38,958
which I thought

851
01:10:38,958 --> 01:10:39,291
was really

852
01:10:39,291 --> 01:10:39,625
interesting

853
01:10:39,625 --> 01:10:40,166
They talked about

854
01:10:40,166 --> 01:10:40,750
how we've done

855
01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:41,458
this before

856
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:42,416
We've taken

857
01:10:42,416 --> 01:10:43,125
animals to the

858
01:10:43,125 --> 01:10:43,500
brink of

859
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:44,500
extinction ie

860
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:45,250
whales when we

861
01:10:45,250 --> 01:10:45,750
used to hunt

862
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:47,083
whales back in

863
01:10:47,083 --> 01:10:48,250
the 1800s

864
01:10:48,333 --> 01:10:48,958
Almost to

865
01:10:48,958 --> 01:10:49,500
extinction

866
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:50,000
because we used

867
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:50,625
to hunt whales

868
01:10:50,625 --> 01:10:52,041
for fuel. That's

869
01:10:52,041 --> 01:10:52,791
how we got fuel

870
01:10:52,791 --> 01:10:53,166
That's how we

871
01:10:53,166 --> 01:10:53,916
burnt all the

872
01:10:53,916 --> 01:10:54,250
lights and

873
01:10:54,250 --> 01:10:54,666
everything like

874
01:10:54,666 --> 01:10:55,250
that and how the

875
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:56,416
lights stay on

876
01:10:56,416 --> 01:10:56,708
they would

877
01:10:56,708 --> 01:10:57,208
burn slower

878
01:10:57,333 --> 01:10:58,166
That was our

879
01:10:58,166 --> 01:10:59,541
energy and so we

880
01:10:59,541 --> 01:11:00,541
hunted whales to

881
01:11:00,541 --> 01:11:01,208
the brink until

882
01:11:01,208 --> 01:11:01,791
we said, you know

883
01:11:01,791 --> 01:11:02,000
What we

884
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:02,791
discovered oil

885
01:11:02,791 --> 01:11:04,083
and gas oil and

886
01:11:04,083 --> 01:11:04,750
gas became the

887
01:11:04,750 --> 01:11:04,958
main

888
01:11:04,958 --> 01:11:05,833
producer of energy

889
01:11:05,958 --> 01:11:06,833
People want to

890
01:11:06,833 --> 01:11:07,500
stop hunting the

891
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:07,708
whales eventually

892
01:11:07,708 --> 01:11:08,958
stopped there's

893
01:11:08,958 --> 01:11:09,583
certain countries

894
01:11:09,583 --> 01:11:10,500
that still do but

895
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:11,083
for the most part

896
01:11:11,083 --> 01:11:11,500
We've seen a

897
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:12,458
recovery of

898
01:11:12,458 --> 01:11:13,375
humpback whales

899
01:11:13,375 --> 01:11:14,625
of bowhead was of

900
01:11:14,625 --> 01:11:15,041
a lot of

901
01:11:15,041 --> 01:11:15,625
different whales

902
01:11:15,625 --> 01:11:16,791
out there blue

903
01:11:16,791 --> 01:11:17,125
whales

904
01:11:17,125 --> 01:11:18,000
that you know

905
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:18,666
We're hunted to

906
01:11:18,666 --> 01:11:19,250
almost extinction

907
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:19,958
and now we've

908
01:11:19,958 --> 01:11:20,666
seen like they're

909
01:11:20,666 --> 01:11:20,916
great

910
01:11:20,916 --> 01:11:21,416
conservation

911
01:11:21,416 --> 01:11:22,750
stories if we put

912
01:11:22,750 --> 01:11:22,916
together

913
01:11:23,625 --> 01:11:23,875
Conservation

914
01:11:23,875 --> 01:11:24,958
winds we can

915
01:11:24,958 --> 01:11:25,958
really do a

916
01:11:25,958 --> 01:11:27,166
good job now

917
01:11:27,166 --> 01:11:27,791
Here's what they

918
01:11:27,791 --> 01:11:28,250
talked about

919
01:11:28,250 --> 01:11:29,208
right at the end

920
01:11:29,208 --> 01:11:29,500
before

921
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:29,916
the credits

922
01:11:29,916 --> 01:11:30,333
They basically

923
01:11:30,333 --> 01:11:31,583
wrote on text on

924
01:11:31,583 --> 01:11:32,000
the screen

925
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:32,666
basically saying

926
01:11:32,666 --> 01:11:33,208
that the ocean

927
01:11:33,208 --> 01:11:33,875
decade conference

928
01:11:33,875 --> 01:11:34,583
coming up in Nice

929
01:11:34,583 --> 01:11:35,125
France where

930
01:11:35,125 --> 01:11:35,708
countries are

931
01:11:35,708 --> 01:11:36,041
gonna be

932
01:11:36,250 --> 01:11:36,833
Negotiating and

933
01:11:36,833 --> 01:11:37,375
trying to sign

934
01:11:37,375 --> 01:11:38,000
and talk about

935
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:38,500
what the work

936
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:38,916
that they've been

937
01:11:38,916 --> 01:11:39,708
doing to protect

938
01:11:39,708 --> 01:11:41,208
30% of the ocean

939
01:11:41,208 --> 01:11:42,541
by 2030 and 30%

940
01:11:42,750 --> 01:11:43,666
Of their control

941
01:11:43,666 --> 01:11:44,333
like exclusive

942
01:11:44,333 --> 01:11:45,125
economic zone,

943
01:11:45,125 --> 01:11:45,458
you know

944
01:11:45,458 --> 01:11:46,166
They'd call for

945
01:11:46,166 --> 01:11:46,625
those countries

946
01:11:46,625 --> 01:11:47,333
to do a better

947
01:11:47,333 --> 01:11:48,458
job to get more

948
01:11:48,458 --> 01:11:48,708
protection

949
01:11:49,125 --> 01:11:50,250
Faster because

950
01:11:50,250 --> 01:11:50,583
there's only

951
01:11:50,583 --> 01:11:51,291
globally there's

952
01:11:51,291 --> 01:11:52,583
less than 3% of

953
01:11:52,583 --> 01:11:53,000
the ocean

954
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:53,666
protected

955
01:11:53,708 --> 01:11:54,416
But we're seeing

956
01:11:54,416 --> 01:11:54,875
a lot of

957
01:11:54,875 --> 01:11:55,625
productivity come

958
01:11:55,625 --> 01:11:56,583
from that 3% and

959
01:11:56,583 --> 01:11:57,125
we're also seeing

960
01:11:57,125 --> 01:11:57,833
others now

961
01:11:57,833 --> 01:11:58,583
There's a lot of

962
01:11:58,583 --> 01:11:59,083
issues

963
01:11:59,083 --> 01:12:00,500
surrounding MPAs

964
01:12:00,500 --> 01:12:01,083
and designated

965
01:12:01,083 --> 01:12:01,958
MPAs one

966
01:12:01,958 --> 01:12:02,541
I mean, it's not

967
01:12:02,541 --> 01:12:02,958
really an issue,

968
01:12:02,958 --> 01:12:03,625
but it takes a

969
01:12:03,625 --> 01:12:04,041
long time

970
01:12:04,041 --> 01:12:04,666
It takes a long

971
01:12:04,666 --> 01:12:05,541
time because it's

972
01:12:05,541 --> 01:12:05,916
conflict

973
01:12:05,916 --> 01:12:06,375
management

974
01:12:06,625 --> 01:12:07,166
You are telling

975
01:12:07,166 --> 01:12:07,875
people who used

976
01:12:07,875 --> 01:12:08,333
to be able to

977
01:12:08,333 --> 01:12:08,875
fish or do

978
01:12:08,875 --> 01:12:09,666
anything in a

979
01:12:09,666 --> 01:12:10,333
certain area that

980
01:12:10,333 --> 01:12:10,666
they're gonna be

981
01:12:10,666 --> 01:12:10,958
restricted

982
01:12:10,958 --> 01:12:11,416
from doing

983
01:12:11,416 --> 01:12:12,083
That activity in

984
01:12:12,083 --> 01:12:12,833
that area. It's

985
01:12:12,833 --> 01:12:13,583
not just fishing.

986
01:12:13,583 --> 01:12:14,875
It's any kind of

987
01:12:14,875 --> 01:12:15,625
extractive type.

988
01:12:15,625 --> 01:12:16,083
So it could be

989
01:12:16,083 --> 01:12:16,625
oil and gas

990
01:12:16,791 --> 01:12:17,666
It could be

991
01:12:17,666 --> 01:12:18,875
mining it could

992
01:12:18,875 --> 01:12:19,708
be development.

993
01:12:19,958 --> 01:12:20,500
It could be even

994
01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:21,083
recreational

995
01:12:21,083 --> 01:12:21,666
activities

996
01:12:21,666 --> 01:12:22,958
depending on how

997
01:12:22,958 --> 01:12:24,291
bad that area is

998
01:12:24,291 --> 01:12:25,125
So you have to do

999
01:12:25,125 --> 01:12:25,791
a lot of conflict

1000
01:12:25,791 --> 01:12:26,125
management

1001
01:12:26,125 --> 01:12:26,666
You have to do a

1002
01:12:26,666 --> 01:12:27,000
lot of

1003
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:27,791
compromising a

1004
01:12:27,791 --> 01:12:28,000
lot of

1005
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:28,958
negotiation to

1006
01:12:28,958 --> 01:12:29,583
get an area

1007
01:12:29,583 --> 01:12:30,041
protected

1008
01:12:30,208 --> 01:12:31,125
And once you get

1009
01:12:31,125 --> 01:12:31,500
that area

1010
01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:32,000
protected which

1011
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:32,333
could take

1012
01:12:32,333 --> 01:12:33,000
anywhere from a

1013
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:33,916
year to like 10

1014
01:12:33,916 --> 01:12:34,791
years even longer

1015
01:12:34,791 --> 01:12:35,708
to get protected

1016
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:36,541
Then you have to

1017
01:12:36,541 --> 01:12:37,125
enforce and you

1018
01:12:37,125 --> 01:12:37,583
have to manage

1019
01:12:37,583 --> 01:12:38,000
and you have to

1020
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:38,291
go through

1021
01:12:38,291 --> 01:12:38,625
adaptive

1022
01:12:38,625 --> 01:12:39,000
management

1023
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:39,875
process to change

1024
01:12:39,875 --> 01:12:40,000
the

1025
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:40,791
management with

1026
01:12:40,791 --> 01:12:41,250
You know

1027
01:12:41,250 --> 01:12:41,833
different types

1028
01:12:41,833 --> 01:12:42,458
of changes that

1029
01:12:42,458 --> 01:12:43,208
are going on in

1030
01:12:43,208 --> 01:12:44,375
the world a lot

1031
01:12:44,375 --> 01:12:44,666
of stuff

1032
01:12:44,666 --> 01:12:45,291
going on there

1033
01:12:45,333 --> 01:12:45,875
That was really

1034
01:12:45,875 --> 01:12:46,500
interesting to

1035
01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:47,541
see they didn't

1036
01:12:47,541 --> 01:12:48,500
mention that in

1037
01:12:48,500 --> 01:12:48,875
Antarctica

1038
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:49,708
There is the

1039
01:12:49,708 --> 01:12:50,625
eastern part of

1040
01:12:50,625 --> 01:12:51,208
the ocean in

1041
01:12:51,208 --> 01:12:51,666
Antarctica the

1042
01:12:51,666 --> 01:12:52,125
southern ocean

1043
01:12:52,125 --> 01:12:52,416
that they

1044
01:12:52,416 --> 01:12:52,958
want to protect

1045
01:12:52,958 --> 01:12:53,166
they've been

1046
01:12:53,166 --> 01:12:53,625
trying to get it

1047
01:12:53,625 --> 01:12:54,333
protected for

1048
01:12:54,333 --> 01:12:55,833
over 10 years and

1049
01:12:55,916 --> 01:12:56,500
Antarctica is

1050
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:57,875
managed by 24 25

1051
01:12:57,875 --> 01:12:58,375
countries

1052
01:12:58,375 --> 01:12:59,291
including China

1053
01:12:59,291 --> 01:12:59,875
and Russia who

1054
01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:00,708
keep you know

1055
01:13:00,875 --> 01:13:01,791
Blocking the vote

1056
01:13:01,791 --> 01:13:03,000
to get this area

1057
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:03,625
protected. They

1058
01:13:03,625 --> 01:13:04,625
did protect the

1059
01:13:04,625 --> 01:13:05,750
Ross MPa or the

1060
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:06,458
Ross sea which

1061
01:13:06,458 --> 01:13:06,916
was great

1062
01:13:06,916 --> 01:13:07,458
But now they want

1063
01:13:07,458 --> 01:13:07,875
to protect this

1064
01:13:07,875 --> 01:13:08,708
other area to not

1065
01:13:08,708 --> 01:13:08,875
only

1066
01:13:08,875 --> 01:13:09,416
protect krill

1067
01:13:09,416 --> 01:13:10,000
But other fish

1068
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:10,833
like what they

1069
01:13:10,833 --> 01:13:11,583
call the Chilean

1070
01:13:11,583 --> 01:13:12,958
sea bass, which

1071
01:13:12,958 --> 01:13:13,541
is different fish

1072
01:13:13,583 --> 01:13:14,250
I think it's

1073
01:13:14,250 --> 01:13:15,000
called Patagonia

1074
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:15,500
and tooth fish

1075
01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:17,083
and so people are

1076
01:13:17,083 --> 01:13:17,583
trying to protect

1077
01:13:17,583 --> 01:13:18,333
but it's hard to

1078
01:13:18,333 --> 01:13:18,625
protect

1079
01:13:18,625 --> 01:13:19,166
these areas

1080
01:13:19,166 --> 01:13:20,083
So there's a lot

1081
01:13:20,083 --> 01:13:20,500
of different

1082
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:21,000
issues and then

1083
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:21,458
we talked about

1084
01:13:21,458 --> 01:13:22,000
the enforcement

1085
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,000
the UK allows

1086
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:23,500
bottom trolley

1087
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:24,500
and 90% of its

1088
01:13:24,500 --> 01:13:24,750
marine

1089
01:13:24,750 --> 01:13:25,583
protected areas

1090
01:13:25,583 --> 01:13:26,208
That's got to

1091
01:13:26,208 --> 01:13:27,166
change because

1092
01:13:27,166 --> 01:13:27,875
you can't protect

1093
01:13:27,875 --> 01:13:28,791
an area. You're

1094
01:13:28,791 --> 01:13:29,000
not just

1095
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:29,291
protecting

1096
01:13:29,291 --> 01:13:29,583
species

1097
01:13:29,583 --> 01:13:30,166
You can't protect

1098
01:13:30,166 --> 01:13:30,958
an area because

1099
01:13:30,958 --> 01:13:31,416
that's where they

1100
01:13:31,416 --> 01:13:31,791
live. That's

1101
01:13:31,791 --> 01:13:32,291
where they eat.

1102
01:13:32,291 --> 01:13:32,666
That's where they

1103
01:13:32,666 --> 01:13:33,041
interact

1104
01:13:33,041 --> 01:13:33,583
You have to

1105
01:13:33,583 --> 01:13:34,125
protect that area

1106
01:13:34,125 --> 01:13:34,708
You can't let

1107
01:13:34,708 --> 01:13:35,500
bottom trolley a

1108
01:13:35,500 --> 01:13:36,041
destructive

1109
01:13:36,041 --> 01:13:37,208
fishing practice

1110
01:13:37,208 --> 01:13:37,958
that will come

1111
01:13:37,958 --> 01:13:38,541
through and

1112
01:13:38,541 --> 01:13:39,208
destroy a

1113
01:13:39,208 --> 01:13:39,958
particular part

1114
01:13:39,958 --> 01:13:40,583
of the habitat

1115
01:13:40,666 --> 01:13:41,333
If that continues

1116
01:13:41,333 --> 01:13:42,041
to happen over

1117
01:13:42,041 --> 01:13:42,708
and over and over

1118
01:13:42,708 --> 01:13:43,458
again, you know

1119
01:13:43,458 --> 01:13:44,000
Even it starts

1120
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:44,833
off as narrow

1121
01:13:44,833 --> 01:13:45,750
bands that can

1122
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:46,375
increase and

1123
01:13:46,375 --> 01:13:47,083
increase as

1124
01:13:47,083 --> 01:13:47,708
bottom trolley

1125
01:13:47,708 --> 01:13:48,250
continues

1126
01:13:48,250 --> 01:13:48,875
to happen

1127
01:13:48,875 --> 01:13:50,208
So there's got to

1128
01:13:50,208 --> 01:13:50,625
be some

1129
01:13:50,625 --> 01:13:51,250
restriction of

1130
01:13:51,250 --> 01:13:51,916
extractive

1131
01:13:51,916 --> 01:13:52,416
processes in

1132
01:13:52,416 --> 01:13:53,500
marine

1133
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:54,208
protected areas

1134
01:13:54,208 --> 01:13:54,875
In fact, it was

1135
01:13:54,875 --> 01:13:55,625
argued that you

1136
01:13:55,625 --> 01:13:56,291
don't really have

1137
01:13:56,291 --> 01:13:56,708
a marine

1138
01:13:56,708 --> 01:13:57,833
protected area if

1139
01:13:57,833 --> 01:13:58,333
you allow

1140
01:13:58,333 --> 01:13:58,958
extractive

1141
01:13:58,958 --> 01:13:59,875
processes like

1142
01:13:59,875 --> 01:14:00,416
fish bottom

1143
01:14:00,416 --> 01:14:01,333
trolley in marine

1144
01:14:01,333 --> 01:14:01,708
protected

1145
01:14:01,708 --> 01:14:02,708
Areas, so there

1146
01:14:02,708 --> 01:14:03,166
are a lot of

1147
01:14:03,166 --> 01:14:03,541
things that

1148
01:14:03,541 --> 01:14:04,500
happen that have

1149
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:05,333
to be stopped now

1150
01:14:05,333 --> 01:14:05,833
Let's talk a

1151
01:14:05,833 --> 01:14:06,541
little bit about

1152
01:14:06,541 --> 01:14:07,000
trawling

1153
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:08,083
Trawling is a

1154
01:14:08,083 --> 01:14:08,541
destructive

1155
01:14:08,541 --> 01:14:09,500
practice like I

1156
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:10,000
talked about

1157
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,000
before it scrapes

1158
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:11,875
the bottom. There

1159
01:14:11,875 --> 01:14:12,291
are different

1160
01:14:12,291 --> 01:14:12,958
types of trawlers

1161
01:14:12,958 --> 01:14:13,708
bottom trawling

1162
01:14:13,708 --> 01:14:14,500
There's like mid

1163
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:15,166
water column

1164
01:14:15,166 --> 01:14:16,000
trawling where

1165
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:16,500
basically the

1166
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:17,000
trawl goes

1167
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:17,541
through the

1168
01:14:17,541 --> 01:14:18,000
water column

1169
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:18,416
It doesn't

1170
01:14:18,416 --> 01:14:19,000
actually hit the

1171
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:19,541
bottom and it

1172
01:14:19,541 --> 01:14:20,916
takes anything in

1173
01:14:20,916 --> 01:14:21,500
the area

1174
01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:22,291
I think the krill

1175
01:14:22,291 --> 01:14:23,166
are going through

1176
01:14:23,166 --> 01:14:23,875
like the mid

1177
01:14:23,875 --> 01:14:25,208
column trawling,

1178
01:14:25,208 --> 01:14:25,791
but it doesn't

1179
01:14:25,791 --> 01:14:26,166
destroy

1180
01:14:26,166 --> 01:14:26,916
the bottom

1181
01:14:26,916 --> 01:14:27,583
But it does take

1182
01:14:27,583 --> 01:14:28,291
a lot depending

1183
01:14:28,291 --> 01:14:28,958
on how big the

1184
01:14:28,958 --> 01:14:29,750
net it does and

1185
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:30,208
in the oceans

1186
01:14:30,208 --> 01:14:30,791
It shows that

1187
01:14:30,791 --> 01:14:31,166
they're pretty

1188
01:14:31,166 --> 01:14:32,000
big nets and a

1189
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:32,625
lot of processing

1190
01:14:32,625 --> 01:14:33,833
going on at sea

1191
01:14:33,833 --> 01:14:34,916
before it gets

1192
01:14:34,916 --> 01:14:35,708
taken to shore

1193
01:14:35,958 --> 01:14:36,583
And so there's

1194
01:14:36,583 --> 01:14:36,916
obviously

1195
01:14:36,916 --> 01:14:37,833
problems with it,

1196
01:14:37,833 --> 01:14:38,625
but does take a

1197
01:14:38,625 --> 01:14:39,208
narrow band

1198
01:14:39,208 --> 01:14:40,208
So if managed

1199
01:14:40,208 --> 01:14:41,458
properly, maybe

1200
01:14:41,458 --> 01:14:42,625
you can say hey,

1201
01:14:42,625 --> 01:14:43,208
yeah, we can

1202
01:14:43,208 --> 01:14:44,083
actually do this

1203
01:14:44,083 --> 01:14:45,000
But you can't you

1204
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:45,375
know, there's

1205
01:14:45,375 --> 01:14:45,958
certain times

1206
01:14:45,958 --> 01:14:46,833
you're be able to

1207
01:14:46,833 --> 01:14:47,583
trawl if you take

1208
01:14:47,583 --> 01:14:48,291
a narrow band in

1209
01:14:48,291 --> 01:14:49,208
a productive area

1210
01:14:49,333 --> 01:14:49,958
And you don't

1211
01:14:49,958 --> 01:14:51,166
fish beyond that

1212
01:14:51,166 --> 01:14:52,416
that band will

1213
01:14:52,416 --> 01:14:53,000
fill in with

1214
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,000
other organisms

1215
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:54,916
as succession

1216
01:14:54,916 --> 01:14:55,416
happens

1217
01:14:55,416 --> 01:14:56,250
in ecology

1218
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:57,666
But you know, you

1219
01:14:57,666 --> 01:14:58,041
have to be

1220
01:14:58,041 --> 01:14:58,500
careful and

1221
01:14:58,500 --> 01:14:58,708
manage that

1222
01:14:58,708 --> 01:14:59,041
It's very

1223
01:14:59,041 --> 01:14:59,500
difficult to

1224
01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:00,125
manage at sea

1225
01:15:00,125 --> 01:15:00,583
when you're not

1226
01:15:00,583 --> 01:15:01,083
there all the

1227
01:15:01,083 --> 01:15:01,833
time and

1228
01:15:01,833 --> 01:15:02,416
then you know

1229
01:15:02,583 --> 01:15:03,291
People can just

1230
01:15:03,291 --> 01:15:04,000
go they'll beg

1231
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:04,541
for forgiveness

1232
01:15:04,541 --> 01:15:05,250
instead of asking

1233
01:15:05,250 --> 01:15:06,000
for permission at

1234
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:06,666
sea and they'll

1235
01:15:06,666 --> 01:15:07,000
just keep

1236
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:07,583
Trawling so you

1237
01:15:07,583 --> 01:15:08,208
do have to be

1238
01:15:08,208 --> 01:15:08,666
careful with

1239
01:15:08,666 --> 01:15:09,541
that. There have

1240
01:15:09,541 --> 01:15:10,333
been advancements

1241
01:15:10,333 --> 01:15:10,500
in

1242
01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:12,041
trawling in terms

1243
01:15:12,041 --> 01:15:13,125
of net size in

1244
01:15:13,125 --> 01:15:13,500
terms of

1245
01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:14,708
exclusive devices

1246
01:15:14,708 --> 01:15:15,750
such as sea

1247
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:15,958
turtle

1248
01:15:15,958 --> 01:15:16,916
exclusion devices

1249
01:15:17,166 --> 01:15:17,750
I think there are

1250
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:18,416
also for some

1251
01:15:18,416 --> 01:15:19,166
like dolphins as

1252
01:15:19,166 --> 01:15:19,875
well where it

1253
01:15:19,875 --> 01:15:20,625
allows these

1254
01:15:20,625 --> 01:15:21,166
animals to

1255
01:15:21,166 --> 01:15:22,000
get out of

1256
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:22,833
the net and be

1257
01:15:22,833 --> 01:15:23,583
able to survive

1258
01:15:23,583 --> 01:15:24,583
there's mesh

1259
01:15:24,583 --> 01:15:25,750
sizes which allow

1260
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:26,416
to be more

1261
01:15:26,416 --> 01:15:27,291
selective in

1262
01:15:27,291 --> 01:15:27,708
terms of the

1263
01:15:27,708 --> 01:15:28,791
type of fish so

1264
01:15:28,791 --> 01:15:29,291
they'll have

1265
01:15:29,291 --> 01:15:30,375
larger mesh sizes

1266
01:15:30,375 --> 01:15:31,291
for larger fish

1267
01:15:31,291 --> 01:15:32,125
so the smaller

1268
01:15:32,125 --> 01:15:32,750
fish can go

1269
01:15:32,750 --> 01:15:33,458
through the mesh

1270
01:15:33,458 --> 01:15:33,958
and they won't

1271
01:15:33,958 --> 01:15:34,666
get caught trying

1272
01:15:34,666 --> 01:15:35,708
to reduce bycatch

1273
01:15:35,708 --> 01:15:36,625
but I did look up

1274
01:15:36,625 --> 01:15:37,625
some statistics

1275
01:15:37,625 --> 01:15:38,833
on it and so

1276
01:15:38,833 --> 01:15:39,750
according to some

1277
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:41,000
sources bottom

1278
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:41,500
trawling accounts

1279
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:41,958
for approximately

1280
01:15:41,958 --> 01:15:42,791
25% of the

1281
01:15:42,791 --> 01:15:43,416
world's wild

1282
01:15:43,416 --> 01:15:44,125
caught seafood

1283
01:15:44,125 --> 01:15:44,958
and when you

1284
01:15:44,958 --> 01:15:45,916
include mid-water

1285
01:15:45,916 --> 01:15:46,916
trawling it

1286
01:15:46,916 --> 01:15:47,875
contributes just

1287
01:15:47,875 --> 01:15:48,583
over one-third

1288
01:15:48,583 --> 01:15:49,416
So just over 30%

1289
01:15:49,791 --> 01:15:50,958
of global fish

1290
01:15:50,958 --> 01:15:51,583
catches in

1291
01:15:51,583 --> 01:15:52,500
Canada. I want to

1292
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:52,833
get something

1293
01:15:52,833 --> 01:15:53,416
specific

1294
01:15:53,416 --> 01:15:54,041
in Canada

1295
01:15:54,375 --> 01:15:55,625
It's about 6.5%

1296
01:15:55,958 --> 01:15:56,583
of the national

1297
01:15:56,583 --> 01:15:57,458
fish catch is

1298
01:15:57,458 --> 01:15:58,125
obtained through

1299
01:15:58,125 --> 01:15:58,875
trawling methods

1300
01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:00,250
The bycatch

1301
01:16:00,250 --> 01:16:01,458
concern is that

1302
01:16:01,458 --> 01:16:02,083
the bycatch is

1303
01:16:02,083 --> 01:16:03,625
estimated at 23%

1304
01:16:04,208 --> 01:16:04,750
indicating a

1305
01:16:04,750 --> 01:16:05,166
significant

1306
01:16:05,166 --> 01:16:06,458
portion of

1307
01:16:06,458 --> 01:16:07,125
non-target

1308
01:16:07,125 --> 01:16:07,958
species caught

1309
01:16:07,958 --> 01:16:08,708
and discarded

1310
01:16:08,916 --> 01:16:10,000
In the US the

1311
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:10,833
trawl percentage

1312
01:16:10,833 --> 01:16:11,375
accounts for

1313
01:16:11,375 --> 01:16:12,041
approximately 4%

1314
01:16:12,500 --> 01:16:13,416
of the catch from

1315
01:16:13,416 --> 01:16:13,791
trawling

1316
01:16:13,791 --> 01:16:14,333
activities

1317
01:16:14,666 --> 01:16:15,208
And then the

1318
01:16:15,208 --> 01:16:16,333
bycatch is nearly

1319
01:16:16,333 --> 01:16:17,916
50% now UK

1320
01:16:18,583 --> 01:16:19,333
As I mentioned

1321
01:16:19,333 --> 01:16:21,125
90% of the MPAs

1322
01:16:21,125 --> 01:16:22,250
have permitted to

1323
01:16:22,250 --> 01:16:22,875
have bottom

1324
01:16:22,875 --> 01:16:23,250
trawling

1325
01:16:23,416 --> 01:16:24,291
But the trawling

1326
01:16:24,291 --> 01:16:24,666
stands for

1327
01:16:24,666 --> 01:16:25,000
approximately

1328
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,166
3.7% of the fish

1329
01:16:27,166 --> 01:16:27,666
catch the

1330
01:16:27,666 --> 01:16:28,083
nation's

1331
01:16:28,083 --> 01:16:28,541
fish catch

1332
01:16:28,875 --> 01:16:30,041
So maybe it's not

1333
01:16:30,041 --> 01:16:30,375
actually

1334
01:16:30,375 --> 01:16:31,041
happening even

1335
01:16:31,041 --> 01:16:32,333
though 90% of the

1336
01:16:32,333 --> 01:16:33,125
MPAs allow

1337
01:16:33,125 --> 01:16:33,791
it to happen

1338
01:16:33,791 --> 01:16:34,916
It may not be

1339
01:16:34,916 --> 01:16:35,333
happening

1340
01:16:35,333 --> 01:16:36,500
everywhere other

1341
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:37,208
notable countries

1342
01:16:37,208 --> 01:16:38,000
that have some

1343
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:38,666
significant

1344
01:16:38,666 --> 01:16:39,291
trawling

1345
01:16:39,416 --> 01:16:40,291
Approximately 65%

1346
01:16:40,625 --> 01:16:41,708
of its seafood in

1347
01:16:41,708 --> 01:16:42,166
the Netherlands

1348
01:16:42,166 --> 01:16:42,958
is caught by

1349
01:16:42,958 --> 01:16:43,625
bottom trawling

1350
01:16:43,625 --> 01:16:44,291
in Morocco

1351
01:16:44,750 --> 01:16:45,458
Also reports

1352
01:16:45,458 --> 01:16:46,750
about 65% is

1353
01:16:46,750 --> 01:16:47,291
caught from

1354
01:16:47,291 --> 01:16:47,875
bottom trawling

1355
01:16:47,875 --> 01:16:48,750
and then Vietnam

1356
01:16:48,750 --> 01:16:49,208
bottom trawling

1357
01:16:49,208 --> 01:16:50,125
accounts for 59%

1358
01:16:50,583 --> 01:16:51,000
of its

1359
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:51,708
seafood catch

1360
01:16:51,708 --> 01:16:52,583
So now obviously

1361
01:16:52,583 --> 01:16:53,000
when you're

1362
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:53,875
looking at bottom

1363
01:16:53,875 --> 01:16:54,291
trawling, you're

1364
01:16:54,291 --> 01:16:54,875
worried about

1365
01:16:54,875 --> 01:16:55,250
habitat

1366
01:16:55,250 --> 01:16:55,833
destruction

1367
01:16:56,041 --> 01:16:56,500
You're also

1368
01:16:56,500 --> 01:16:56,958
worried about

1369
01:16:56,958 --> 01:16:57,375
high

1370
01:16:57,375 --> 01:16:58,416
bycatch rates

1371
01:16:58,500 --> 01:16:59,625
So non-targeted

1372
01:16:59,625 --> 01:17:00,583
species including

1373
01:17:00,583 --> 01:17:01,375
endangered marine

1374
01:17:01,375 --> 01:17:02,041
life are caught

1375
01:17:02,041 --> 01:17:02,791
and discarded

1376
01:17:02,791 --> 01:17:03,666
leading to

1377
01:17:03,666 --> 01:17:04,333
ecological

1378
01:17:04,333 --> 01:17:05,083
imbalances

1379
01:17:05,333 --> 01:17:05,750
And then of

1380
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:06,291
course carbon

1381
01:17:06,291 --> 01:17:06,791
emissions was

1382
01:17:06,791 --> 01:17:07,541
mentioned in the

1383
01:17:07,541 --> 01:17:08,375
ocean as you

1384
01:17:08,375 --> 01:17:08,958
start to dredge

1385
01:17:08,958 --> 01:17:09,625
out the bottom

1386
01:17:09,791 --> 01:17:10,458
Sediments starts

1387
01:17:10,458 --> 01:17:11,541
to get moved and

1388
01:17:11,541 --> 01:17:12,083
carbon dioxide

1389
01:17:12,083 --> 01:17:12,666
gets released

1390
01:17:12,666 --> 01:17:13,291
into the

1391
01:17:13,291 --> 01:17:13,541
atmosphere

1392
01:17:13,833 --> 01:17:14,541
There's some

1393
01:17:14,541 --> 01:17:15,125
recent studies

1394
01:17:15,125 --> 01:17:16,041
that say that it

1395
01:17:16,041 --> 01:17:16,500
may release

1396
01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:16,958
substantial

1397
01:17:16,958 --> 01:17:17,958
amounts of carbon

1398
01:17:17,958 --> 01:17:18,916
dioxide by

1399
01:17:18,916 --> 01:17:19,916
disturbing carbon

1400
01:17:19,916 --> 01:17:21,000
rich sediments on

1401
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:21,708
the ocean floor

1402
01:17:21,708 --> 01:17:22,708
So there's a lot

1403
01:17:22,708 --> 01:17:23,750
going on with

1404
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:24,500
bottom trawling

1405
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:25,125
not the best

1406
01:17:25,125 --> 01:17:25,958
fishing method

1407
01:17:26,125 --> 01:17:26,666
Obviously,

1408
01:17:26,666 --> 01:17:27,000
there's certain

1409
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:27,583
countries that

1410
01:17:27,583 --> 01:17:28,041
depend a

1411
01:17:28,041 --> 01:17:28,541
lot on it

1412
01:17:28,541 --> 01:17:28,916
And there's other

1413
01:17:28,916 --> 01:17:29,416
countries that

1414
01:17:29,416 --> 01:17:30,125
don't depend a

1415
01:17:30,125 --> 01:17:30,625
lot on it

1416
01:17:30,625 --> 01:17:31,458
And of course the

1417
01:17:31,458 --> 01:17:31,916
management of

1418
01:17:31,916 --> 01:17:33,166
MPAs varies from

1419
01:17:33,166 --> 01:17:33,583
country to

1420
01:17:33,583 --> 01:17:33,833
country

1421
01:17:33,833 --> 01:17:34,333
to country

1422
01:17:34,583 --> 01:17:35,708
The UN came out

1423
01:17:35,708 --> 01:17:36,333
with some

1424
01:17:36,333 --> 01:17:37,166
stipulations in

1425
01:17:37,166 --> 01:17:37,916
terms of what a

1426
01:17:37,916 --> 01:17:38,500
marine protected

1427
01:17:38,500 --> 01:17:39,708
area is and they

1428
01:17:39,708 --> 01:17:40,208
kind of

1429
01:17:40,208 --> 01:17:40,750
follow that

1430
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:41,666
And then we're

1431
01:17:41,666 --> 01:17:42,375
also seeing more

1432
01:17:42,375 --> 01:17:43,000
conservation

1433
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:44,291
coming in near

1434
01:17:44,291 --> 01:17:44,875
shore as I talked

1435
01:17:44,875 --> 01:17:45,500
about a couple of

1436
01:17:45,500 --> 01:17:46,333
weeks ago with

1437
01:17:46,458 --> 01:17:47,375
Angelo Villagomez

1438
01:17:47,375 --> 01:17:48,958
and Alia Hadiat

1439
01:17:48,958 --> 01:17:49,708
from the center

1440
01:17:49,708 --> 01:17:50,250
of american

1441
01:17:50,250 --> 01:17:50,833
progress talking

1442
01:17:50,833 --> 01:17:51,458
about how near

1443
01:17:51,458 --> 01:17:52,000
shore protection

1444
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,000
should start to

1445
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:53,625
ramp up and

1446
01:17:53,625 --> 01:17:54,000
increase

1447
01:17:54,041 --> 01:17:54,541
Because we're

1448
01:17:54,541 --> 01:17:55,250
doing a lot on

1449
01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:55,583
offshore

1450
01:17:55,583 --> 01:17:56,041
But we're not

1451
01:17:56,041 --> 01:17:57,000
doing as much on

1452
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:57,458
the inshore where

1453
01:17:57,458 --> 01:17:57,875
it's just a

1454
01:17:57,875 --> 01:17:58,250
harder

1455
01:17:58,250 --> 01:17:59,125
place to do it

1456
01:17:59,125 --> 01:17:59,916
The coastal area

1457
01:17:59,916 --> 01:18:00,666
is the harder

1458
01:18:00,666 --> 01:18:01,833
place where we

1459
01:18:01,833 --> 01:18:03,083
are going to be

1460
01:18:03,083 --> 01:18:03,833
having problems

1461
01:18:03,833 --> 01:18:04,250
in conflict

1462
01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:04,791
resolution

1463
01:18:04,916 --> 01:18:05,625
That has to take

1464
01:18:05,625 --> 01:18:06,500
place before we

1465
01:18:06,500 --> 01:18:07,041
can start to

1466
01:18:07,041 --> 01:18:08,125
protect those one

1467
01:18:08,125 --> 01:18:08,541
of the things

1468
01:18:08,541 --> 01:18:09,291
they talked about

1469
01:18:09,291 --> 01:18:09,875
papahana

1470
01:18:09,875 --> 01:18:10,500
makua kaya

1471
01:18:10,750 --> 01:18:11,541
The marine

1472
01:18:11,541 --> 01:18:12,541
sanctuary off the

1473
01:18:12,541 --> 01:18:13,458
islands of hawaii

1474
01:18:13,458 --> 01:18:14,125
or just northern

1475
01:18:14,125 --> 01:18:15,041
islands of hawaii

1476
01:18:15,166 --> 01:18:16,125
Which is a huge

1477
01:18:16,125 --> 01:18:17,125
place that has a

1478
01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:17,541
great

1479
01:18:17,541 --> 01:18:18,666
spillover effect

1480
01:18:19,041 --> 01:18:19,625
Obviously that

1481
01:18:19,625 --> 01:18:20,916
was the subject

1482
01:18:20,916 --> 01:18:21,875
matter of some

1483
01:18:21,875 --> 01:18:22,791
controversy a

1484
01:18:22,791 --> 01:18:23,458
couple months ago

1485
01:18:23,458 --> 01:18:24,083
when donald trump

1486
01:18:24,083 --> 01:18:24,500
opened it

1487
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:25,083
up to fishing

1488
01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:25,875
So that's going

1489
01:18:25,875 --> 01:18:26,500
to be a problem

1490
01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:27,791
But there's a big

1491
01:18:27,791 --> 01:18:29,125
focus on this in

1492
01:18:29,125 --> 01:18:29,541
the movie

1493
01:18:29,625 --> 01:18:30,458
They talk a lot

1494
01:18:30,458 --> 01:18:31,166
about how the

1495
01:18:31,166 --> 01:18:31,750
size of it's

1496
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:32,125
great and

1497
01:18:32,125 --> 01:18:32,541
everything is

1498
01:18:32,541 --> 01:18:33,083
doing well

1499
01:18:33,083 --> 01:18:33,458
And it's

1500
01:18:33,458 --> 01:18:34,125
increased catch

1501
01:18:34,125 --> 01:18:35,291
rates by 54

1502
01:18:35,291 --> 01:18:36,125
outside the

1503
01:18:36,125 --> 01:18:36,666
marine protected

1504
01:18:36,666 --> 01:18:37,375
area, which is

1505
01:18:37,375 --> 01:18:38,000
all wonderful

1506
01:18:38,375 --> 01:18:39,041
The one thing

1507
01:18:39,041 --> 01:18:39,625
though that we

1508
01:18:39,625 --> 01:18:40,333
should mention is

1509
01:18:40,333 --> 01:18:41,291
that in areas

1510
01:18:41,291 --> 01:18:41,666
where it's

1511
01:18:41,666 --> 01:18:42,041
overseas

1512
01:18:42,041 --> 01:18:42,916
territories such

1513
01:18:42,916 --> 01:18:43,708
as the

1514
01:18:43,708 --> 01:18:44,500
hawaii islands

1515
01:18:44,833 --> 01:18:45,416
I guess not

1516
01:18:45,416 --> 01:18:45,875
really territory

1517
01:18:45,875 --> 01:18:46,458
It's a state but

1518
01:18:46,458 --> 01:18:47,083
still like in

1519
01:18:47,083 --> 01:18:47,833
those areas where

1520
01:18:47,833 --> 01:18:47,958
it's

1521
01:18:47,958 --> 01:18:48,750
indigenous led

1522
01:18:48,916 --> 01:18:49,666
It's great to

1523
01:18:49,666 --> 01:18:49,875
have that

1524
01:18:49,875 --> 01:18:50,333
protection

1525
01:18:50,333 --> 01:18:50,500
because

1526
01:18:50,500 --> 01:18:51,125
especially with

1527
01:18:51,125 --> 01:18:51,958
indigenous led

1528
01:18:51,958 --> 01:18:52,500
marine protected

1529
01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:53,125
areas is usually

1530
01:18:53,125 --> 01:18:53,541
pretty good

1531
01:18:53,541 --> 01:18:54,291
because it's part

1532
01:18:54,291 --> 01:18:54,958
of their culture

1533
01:18:55,166 --> 01:18:56,416
However, a lot of

1534
01:18:56,416 --> 01:18:57,500
the bigger marine

1535
01:18:57,500 --> 01:18:58,166
protected areas

1536
01:18:58,166 --> 01:18:59,458
are in areas

1537
01:18:59,458 --> 01:19:00,291
where there's a

1538
01:19:00,291 --> 01:19:00,875
big indigenous

1539
01:19:00,875 --> 01:19:01,541
population

1540
01:19:01,708 --> 01:19:02,958
There's less in

1541
01:19:02,958 --> 01:19:03,916
the main

1542
01:19:03,916 --> 01:19:04,916
population the

1543
01:19:04,916 --> 01:19:05,500
non-indigenous

1544
01:19:05,500 --> 01:19:06,125
population

1545
01:19:06,125 --> 01:19:06,833
because it's

1546
01:19:06,833 --> 01:19:07,291
harder to do

1547
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:08,250
And it becomes

1548
01:19:08,250 --> 01:19:09,250
more conflicting

1549
01:19:09,250 --> 01:19:10,166
and we try to do

1550
01:19:10,166 --> 01:19:10,833
one of the sea

1551
01:19:10,833 --> 01:19:11,583
mountain canyons

1552
01:19:11,583 --> 01:19:12,083
in the us

1553
01:19:12,291 --> 01:19:12,833
Just off the

1554
01:19:12,833 --> 01:19:13,125
coast of

1555
01:19:13,125 --> 01:19:14,250
massachusetts. I

1556
01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:14,708
don't know if it

1557
01:19:14,708 --> 01:19:15,375
ever got brought

1558
01:19:15,375 --> 01:19:15,958
back, but now

1559
01:19:15,958 --> 01:19:16,458
that donald trump

1560
01:19:16,458 --> 01:19:17,041
is in power

1561
01:19:17,083 --> 01:19:17,875
I'm sure it was

1562
01:19:17,875 --> 01:19:18,333
an executive

1563
01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:19,000
order when it

1564
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:19,625
first came in

1565
01:19:19,625 --> 01:19:20,333
under the obama

1566
01:19:20,333 --> 01:19:20,625
administration.

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01:19:20,625 --> 01:19:21,291
Donald trump

1568
01:19:21,291 --> 01:19:21,916
took it away

1569
01:19:21,916 --> 01:19:22,666
I think biden

1570
01:19:22,666 --> 01:19:23,666
took it back. I'm

1571
01:19:23,666 --> 01:19:24,208
sure it's got

1572
01:19:24,208 --> 01:19:24,958
back stripped

1573
01:19:24,958 --> 01:19:25,541
down again

1574
01:19:25,791 --> 01:19:26,708
So these are big

1575
01:19:26,708 --> 01:19:27,250
problems that

1576
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:27,958
happen not only

1577
01:19:27,958 --> 01:19:28,666
in the us but all

1578
01:19:28,666 --> 01:19:29,291
over the world

1579
01:19:29,375 --> 01:19:30,166
Mpa's are not

1580
01:19:30,166 --> 01:19:31,041
easy to designate

1581
01:19:31,041 --> 01:19:31,708
which you know,

1582
01:19:31,708 --> 01:19:32,500
the movie made it

1583
01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:33,208
sound like it

1584
01:19:33,208 --> 01:19:33,541
could be

1585
01:19:33,958 --> 01:19:34,708
It's not an easy

1586
01:19:34,708 --> 01:19:35,500
thing. It works

1587
01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:36,083
when it's done

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01:19:36,083 --> 01:19:36,833
properly and it's

1589
01:19:36,833 --> 01:19:37,541
enforced and it's

1590
01:19:37,541 --> 01:19:38,125
managed properly

1591
01:19:38,125 --> 01:19:39,083
But when it's not

1592
01:19:39,083 --> 01:19:39,666
or it takes a

1593
01:19:39,666 --> 01:19:40,541
long time to get

1594
01:19:40,541 --> 01:19:41,458
it approved, you

1595
01:19:41,458 --> 01:19:41,875
know destruction

1596
01:19:41,875 --> 01:19:42,333
continues

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01:19:42,333 --> 01:19:42,958
to happen

1598
01:19:42,958 --> 01:19:43,458
And there's

1599
01:19:43,458 --> 01:19:44,291
always you know

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01:19:44,291 --> 01:19:44,958
countries who are

1601
01:19:44,958 --> 01:19:45,416
wanting to

1602
01:19:45,416 --> 01:19:46,083
get on top

1603
01:19:46,291 --> 01:19:47,250
The papahana

1604
01:19:47,250 --> 01:19:48,291
makua kia got

1605
01:19:48,291 --> 01:19:49,125
opened up because

1606
01:19:49,125 --> 01:19:50,083
you know, the us

1607
01:19:50,083 --> 01:19:50,708
want to be number

1608
01:19:50,708 --> 01:19:51,000
one in the

1609
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:51,291
pacific

1610
01:19:51,291 --> 01:19:51,750
for fishing

1611
01:19:52,583 --> 01:19:53,000
Pretty much that

1612
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:53,791
was the reason so

1613
01:19:53,791 --> 01:19:54,291
that's a big

1614
01:19:54,291 --> 01:19:55,000
problem when you

1615
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,000
talk about mpa's

1616
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:56,333
and trying to

1617
01:19:56,333 --> 01:19:57,416
keep mpa's intact

1618
01:19:57,416 --> 01:19:58,208
and protected

1619
01:19:58,291 --> 01:19:59,333
So lots of stuff

1620
01:19:59,333 --> 01:20:00,250
going on great

1621
01:20:00,250 --> 01:20:01,166
message of hope

1622
01:20:01,166 --> 01:20:01,875
the fact is hey

1623
01:20:01,916 --> 01:20:02,458
You know what?

1624
01:20:02,458 --> 01:20:03,208
There's our ways

1625
01:20:03,208 --> 01:20:03,833
to do it. We just

1626
01:20:03,833 --> 01:20:04,666
have to do it

1627
01:20:04,666 --> 01:20:05,125
We just have to

1628
01:20:05,125 --> 01:20:05,625
actually go out

1629
01:20:05,625 --> 01:20:06,416
and execute and

1630
01:20:06,416 --> 01:20:06,791
put in more

1631
01:20:06,791 --> 01:20:07,416
marine protected

1632
01:20:07,416 --> 01:20:08,041
areas get up to

1633
01:20:08,041 --> 01:20:08,833
that 30 percent

1634
01:20:08,833 --> 01:20:09,500
Or as close as

1635
01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:10,458
possible by 2030

1636
01:20:10,458 --> 01:20:11,500
and just continue

1637
01:20:11,500 --> 01:20:12,625
to work at it and

1638
01:20:12,625 --> 01:20:13,416
work at it and

1639
01:20:13,416 --> 01:20:14,000
work at it

1640
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,000
So I hope you

1641
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:15,500
have a chance to

1642
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:16,208
go see it. I

1643
01:20:16,208 --> 01:20:16,666
don't know what's

1644
01:20:16,666 --> 01:20:17,000
going to happen

1645
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:17,458
This was a

1646
01:20:17,458 --> 01:20:18,041
release it came

1647
01:20:18,041 --> 01:20:18,458
out a little

1648
01:20:18,458 --> 01:20:19,375
later in canada

1649
01:20:19,375 --> 01:20:20,125
than it did in

1650
01:20:20,125 --> 01:20:20,875
the uk when it

1651
01:20:20,875 --> 01:20:21,083
was first

1652
01:20:21,083 --> 01:20:21,541
released at the

1653
01:20:21,541 --> 01:20:22,083
Beginning of the

1654
01:20:22,083 --> 01:20:23,291
month in may but

1655
01:20:23,291 --> 01:20:23,833
I highly

1656
01:20:23,833 --> 01:20:24,375
recommend you go

1657
01:20:24,375 --> 01:20:25,000
get I hope they

1658
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:25,416
put it out

1659
01:20:25,416 --> 01:20:26,125
on netflix

1660
01:20:26,208 --> 01:20:27,000
Or on some

1661
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:27,583
streaming channel

1662
01:20:27,583 --> 01:20:27,833
that everybody

1663
01:20:27,833 --> 01:20:28,875
can get access to

1664
01:20:28,875 --> 01:20:29,250
because I think

1665
01:20:29,250 --> 01:20:29,958
it'll make a lot

1666
01:20:29,958 --> 01:20:30,500
more waves

1667
01:20:30,750 --> 01:20:31,708
No pun intended,

1668
01:20:31,708 --> 01:20:32,750
but I hope you

1669
01:20:32,750 --> 01:20:33,166
get to see if

1670
01:20:33,166 --> 01:20:33,791
you've seen it

1671
01:20:33,791 --> 01:20:34,291
and you want to

1672
01:20:34,291 --> 01:20:35,000
let me know what

1673
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:35,125
you

1674
01:20:35,125 --> 01:20:35,625
thought about it

1675
01:20:35,708 --> 01:20:36,375
Please let me

1676
01:20:36,375 --> 01:20:37,000
know in the

1677
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:37,625
comments down

1678
01:20:37,625 --> 01:20:38,000
below if you're

1679
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:38,500
watching this on

1680
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:39,375
youtube or you

1681
01:20:39,375 --> 01:20:40,166
can go to speakup

1682
01:20:40,166 --> 01:20:41,000
for blue.com

1683
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:41,500
forward slash

1684
01:20:41,625 --> 01:20:42,708
Contact fill out

1685
01:20:42,708 --> 01:20:43,000
the form

1686
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:43,500
Let me know what

1687
01:20:43,500 --> 01:20:44,125
you thought of

1688
01:20:44,125 --> 01:20:45,125
the movie or if

1689
01:20:45,125 --> 01:20:45,500
you're looking

1690
01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:46,125
forward to seeing

1691
01:20:46,125 --> 01:20:46,916
the movie and

1692
01:20:46,916 --> 01:20:47,166
then of course

1693
01:20:47,166 --> 01:20:47,750
you can always

1694
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:48,625
Hit me up on

1695
01:20:48,625 --> 01:20:49,708
instagram at how

1696
01:20:49,708 --> 01:20:50,125
to protect

1697
01:20:50,125 --> 01:20:50,541
the ocean

1698
01:20:50,541 --> 01:20:51,500
That's pat how to

1699
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:52,166
protect the ocean

1700
01:20:52,166 --> 01:20:52,708
I want to thank

1701
01:20:52,708 --> 01:20:53,333
you so much for

1702
01:20:53,333 --> 01:20:53,708
joining me on

1703
01:20:53,708 --> 01:20:54,291
today's episode

1704
01:20:54,291 --> 01:20:54,833
of the how to

1705
01:20:54,833 --> 01:20:55,125
protect the

1706
01:20:55,125 --> 01:20:55,625
ocean podcast

1707
01:20:55,625 --> 01:20:56,291
Have a great day.

1708
01:20:56,291 --> 01:20:56,708
We'll talk to you

1709
01:20:56,708 --> 01:20:57,541
next time and

1710
01:20:57,541 --> 01:20:57,708
happy

1711
01:20:57,708 --> 01:20:58,125
conservation