Ocean with David Attenborough: Why There’s Still Hope for the Sea

Ocean recovery is not just possible, it’s already happening in places where we’ve taken action. In this episode, I dive into Ocean with David Attenborough , a documentary that reminds us of the ocean’s incredible resilience. From thriving coral reefs to fish populations bouncing back, the film offers powerful proof that when we give marine ecosystems space and protection, they can heal faster than we think. It’s a rare example of ocean storytelling that balances urgency with genuine optimism.
Bottom trawling , however, threatens that progress. The documentary pulls back the curtain on this destructive fishing method, revealing how vast swaths of ocean floor are scraped clean, alongside the fish, sharks, and invertebrates that live there. The fishing industry’s backlash has been swift, but the film doesn’t dwell on blame. Instead, it shows us that even in damaged habitats, life can return when given the chance. The hope is real—but only if we act now.
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I just came back
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from watching the
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movie Ocean
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narrated by Sir
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David
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Attenborough and
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I have to admit I
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loved it
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I'm not usually a
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huge fan of
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documentaries
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that are
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this size
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Although
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everything Sir
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David
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Attenborough is a
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part of seems to
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do really well
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and I
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really like it
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couple of years
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some
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documentaries
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have come out
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I'm not even
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gonna mention
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some of them that
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have been totally
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off. I really
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like this movie
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I'm gonna talk
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about what I
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liked why I like
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the message of
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hope and also
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we're gonna talk
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about some of the
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this movie
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because there's
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always
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controversial
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there's criticism
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from the fishing
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industry
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about the bottom
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trawling that was
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talked about in
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this movie as
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well as the
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marine protected
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areas that was
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talked about
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In this movie on
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this episode of
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the how to
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protect the ocean
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podcast. Let's
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start the show
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Hey everybody,
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welcome back to
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another exciting
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episode of the
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how to protect
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the ocean podcast
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I'm your host
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Andrew Lewin and
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this is the
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podcast where you
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find out what's
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happening with
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the ocean how you
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speak up for
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better ocean by
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called ocean
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ocean is by Sir
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narrated by Sir
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Attenborough
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He is 99 years
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old folks
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on this movie
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that was released
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in theaters and
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selected theaters
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venue for me that
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these big big
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movie, but it was
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messaging some
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controversies
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clear up a little
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bit and also it
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just opens the
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conversation to a
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the ocean decade
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conference
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it in the film
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be able to
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protect our
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especially and we
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at this
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conference and we
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need to get some
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great results
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on all the
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negotiators at
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this conference
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to come out with some
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I will actually
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be there at that
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conference
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the lowdown of
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what I
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this conference
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bunch of side
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events not the
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main conference,
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there's gonna be
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lots to
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the movie of why
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out to the
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messaging the
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messaging of hope
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to tell you how
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this pessimism of
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where people are
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eating and
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getting on a diet
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the results that
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that diet and you
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almost eat worse
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messaging that
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is all about.
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the movie
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in this one
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warning the movie
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showing the
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beauty of the
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ocean what I
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really love about
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it right at the
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beginning
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connection of the
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deep sea to the
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surface right off
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the bat. We see a
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01:04:01,458 --> 01:04:01,916
bait ball
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We see a bunch of
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sharks. We see
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dolphins
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We see whales and
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then we all of a
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sudden we see sea
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mounts and David
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Adam Brill's
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talking about how
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sea mounts play
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an important
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Role to bring up
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nutrients from
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the bottom of the
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ocean the deep
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sea to the
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surface to feed
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all of these
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traveling species
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It's really
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really well done
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and then talks a
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lot about the
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canyons that are
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down there and
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how many sea
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mounts are
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down there
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Where they are
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and they show
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this almost 3d
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image of the
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bottom of the
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ocean really
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giving a
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perspective
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01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:30,458
of how?
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Productive the
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ocean can be I
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01:04:33,083 --> 01:04:33,500
think a lot of
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times when we see
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open ocean we see
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it as a barren
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01:04:36,541 --> 01:04:37,666
Waterway a barren
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01:04:37,666 --> 01:04:38,458
just a water
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column and we
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01:04:39,041 --> 01:04:39,750
don't see much
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01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:40,458
happening other
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01:04:40,458 --> 01:04:41,208
than maybe a
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whale or two or
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01:04:42,250 --> 01:04:43,000
maybe a shark
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That's you know
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01:04:43,541 --> 01:04:44,083
traveling from
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01:04:44,083 --> 01:04:44,791
one place to
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01:04:44,791 --> 01:04:45,833
another we don't
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01:04:45,833 --> 01:04:46,458
think about the
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01:04:46,458 --> 01:04:46,791
connection
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01:04:46,791 --> 01:04:47,500
between the deep
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01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:48,541
sea and the
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01:04:48,541 --> 01:04:49,041
surface was
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01:04:49,041 --> 01:04:49,666
right away
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I think it really
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01:04:50,375 --> 01:04:50,958
brings up
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01:04:50,958 --> 01:04:51,666
the you know
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01:04:51,666 --> 01:04:52,375
How we're messing
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01:04:52,375 --> 01:04:53,250
around with the
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01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:54,125
deep sea too much
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01:04:54,125 --> 01:04:54,750
talking about
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01:04:54,750 --> 01:04:55,625
deep sea mining
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01:04:55,625 --> 01:04:56,291
and so forth
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01:04:56,291 --> 01:04:56,958
really gives
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01:04:56,958 --> 01:04:57,250
people
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01:04:57,250 --> 01:04:57,958
perspective that
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01:04:57,958 --> 01:04:58,375
it's all
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01:04:58,458 --> 01:04:59,333
Connected and
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01:04:59,333 --> 01:04:59,916
that we need to
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01:04:59,916 --> 01:05:00,416
be careful
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01:05:00,416 --> 01:05:01,000
doesn't mention
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01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:01,666
deep sea mining
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01:05:01,791 --> 01:05:02,583
But you kind of
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01:05:02,583 --> 01:05:03,375
like somebody who
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01:05:03,375 --> 01:05:04,166
covers ocean all
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01:05:04,166 --> 01:05:04,458
the time
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01:05:04,458 --> 01:05:05,125
I'm like this is
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01:05:05,125 --> 01:05:06,291
a great way to
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01:05:06,291 --> 01:05:06,916
get people to
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01:05:06,916 --> 01:05:07,250
really think
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01:05:07,250 --> 01:05:07,833
about the deep
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01:05:07,833 --> 01:05:09,000
sea and how it's
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01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:09,666
connected to the
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01:05:09,666 --> 01:05:10,500
surface and how
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01:05:10,583 --> 01:05:11,291
we could benefit
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01:05:11,291 --> 01:05:12,166
as humans and
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01:05:12,166 --> 01:05:12,708
bringing up
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01:05:12,708 --> 01:05:14,208
plankton that you
408
01:05:14,208 --> 01:05:15,000
know bring in a
409
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:15,416
third of the
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01:05:15,416 --> 01:05:15,666
carbon
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01:05:15,666 --> 01:05:16,750
dioxide and
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01:05:16,750 --> 01:05:17,291
Absorb the third
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01:05:17,291 --> 01:05:17,708
of the carbon
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01:05:17,708 --> 01:05:18,583
dioxide in our
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01:05:18,583 --> 01:05:19,666
atmosphere and
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01:05:19,666 --> 01:05:20,208
how important
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01:05:20,208 --> 01:05:21,166
that is just from
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01:05:21,166 --> 01:05:21,750
a climate change
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01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:22,375
reduction point
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01:05:22,375 --> 01:05:23,000
of view and it
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01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:23,416
Doesn't talk
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01:05:23,416 --> 01:05:23,958
about the
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01:05:23,958 --> 01:05:25,000
productive nature
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01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,041
of upwellings
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01:05:26,125 --> 01:05:27,083
Which is bringing
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01:05:27,083 --> 01:05:27,875
nutrients from
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01:05:27,875 --> 01:05:28,500
the deep sea to
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01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:29,416
the surface so
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01:05:29,416 --> 01:05:30,125
that animals can
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01:05:30,125 --> 01:05:31,000
like whales and
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01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,416
dolphins and tuna
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01:05:32,416 --> 01:05:32,875
and all
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01:05:32,875 --> 01:05:33,416
those animals
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01:05:33,416 --> 01:05:34,500
Can feed off of
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01:05:34,500 --> 01:05:35,000
especially if
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01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:35,666
they're migratory
437
01:05:35,666 --> 01:05:36,833
species. It was a
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01:05:36,833 --> 01:05:37,458
great way of
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01:05:37,458 --> 01:05:37,958
depicting it
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01:05:37,958 --> 01:05:38,958
I loved right off
441
01:05:38,958 --> 01:05:39,541
the bat just
442
01:05:39,541 --> 01:05:40,125
depicting it
443
01:05:40,125 --> 01:05:40,750
right away. I
444
01:05:40,750 --> 01:05:41,041
thought it was
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01:05:41,041 --> 01:05:41,916
really well done
446
01:05:42,250 --> 01:05:42,708
I did something
447
01:05:42,708 --> 01:05:43,625
that I think we
448
01:05:43,625 --> 01:05:44,583
need to know from
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01:05:44,583 --> 01:05:45,291
a perspective
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01:05:45,291 --> 01:05:46,083
then it starts
451
01:05:46,083 --> 01:05:46,791
talking about
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01:05:46,791 --> 01:05:47,458
different
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01:05:47,625 --> 01:05:48,458
Habitats around
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01:05:48,458 --> 01:05:49,333
the world, you
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01:05:49,333 --> 01:05:50,000
know, we see
456
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,916
areas in Africa.
457
01:05:51,916 --> 01:05:53,333
We see areas in
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01:05:53,333 --> 01:05:54,208
the northern UK
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01:05:54,541 --> 01:05:56,291
We see areas into
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01:05:56,291 --> 01:05:56,708
the Channel
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01:05:56,708 --> 01:05:57,875
Islands and we
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01:05:57,875 --> 01:05:58,416
see a lot of
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01:05:58,416 --> 01:05:59,125
different areas a
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01:05:59,125 --> 01:05:59,958
lot of different
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01:05:59,958 --> 01:06:00,916
like kelp forests
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01:06:00,916 --> 01:06:01,458
And then we see
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01:06:01,458 --> 01:06:02,166
these scallop
468
01:06:02,166 --> 01:06:03,333
beds we get to
469
01:06:03,333 --> 01:06:03,958
see these coral
470
01:06:03,958 --> 01:06:04,833
reefs like in the
471
01:06:04,833 --> 01:06:05,541
Indo-Pacific and
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01:06:05,541 --> 01:06:05,958
so forth
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01:06:06,041 --> 01:06:06,833
It's just a
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01:06:06,833 --> 01:06:07,500
really good
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01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:08,541
depiction of the
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01:06:08,541 --> 01:06:09,208
different types
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01:06:09,208 --> 01:06:09,875
of environments
478
01:06:09,875 --> 01:06:10,625
that are around
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01:06:10,625 --> 01:06:11,125
talks
480
01:06:11,125 --> 01:06:11,791
about you know
481
01:06:11,791 --> 01:06:12,875
The discovery of
482
01:06:12,875 --> 01:06:13,625
this massive
483
01:06:13,625 --> 01:06:14,666
seagrass bed that
484
01:06:14,666 --> 01:06:15,500
we discovered a
485
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:15,833
couple of
486
01:06:15,833 --> 01:06:16,333
years ago
487
01:06:16,333 --> 01:06:16,833
That was
488
01:06:16,833 --> 01:06:17,583
discovered by
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01:06:17,583 --> 01:06:18,708
work done by dr
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01:06:18,791 --> 01:06:19,375
Austin Gallagher
491
01:06:19,375 --> 01:06:19,833
friend of the
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01:06:19,833 --> 01:06:21,041
podcast in his
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01:06:21,041 --> 01:06:21,750
team of beneath
494
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:22,041
the waves
495
01:06:22,083 --> 01:06:23,166
It was great to
496
01:06:23,166 --> 01:06:23,833
see all these
497
01:06:23,833 --> 01:06:24,875
depicted wasn't
498
01:06:24,875 --> 01:06:25,666
just coral reefs
499
01:06:25,666 --> 01:06:26,000
that
500
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:26,625
showed benefit
501
01:06:26,625 --> 01:06:27,208
It was all these
502
01:06:27,208 --> 01:06:27,583
different
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01:06:27,583 --> 01:06:28,458
habitats that had
504
01:06:28,458 --> 01:06:29,541
beautiful colors
505
01:06:29,541 --> 01:06:30,458
and fish from all
506
01:06:30,458 --> 01:06:31,000
over and people
507
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:31,791
talking about
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01:06:31,791 --> 01:06:32,875
How important it
509
01:06:32,875 --> 01:06:33,541
is for them to
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01:06:33,541 --> 01:06:34,458
fish talked
511
01:06:34,458 --> 01:06:35,291
a lot about?
512
01:06:35,875 --> 01:06:36,875
artisanal fishers
513
01:06:36,875 --> 01:06:38,333
so local fishers
514
01:06:38,333 --> 01:06:38,625
that are
515
01:06:38,625 --> 01:06:39,208
really just
516
01:06:39,333 --> 01:06:39,791
Benefiting
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01:06:39,791 --> 01:06:40,583
themselves by
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01:06:40,583 --> 01:06:41,916
fishing and want
519
01:06:41,916 --> 01:06:42,500
to fish for
520
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:43,208
generations and
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01:06:43,208 --> 01:06:43,583
generations
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01:06:43,583 --> 01:06:44,250
generations are
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01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:45,166
looking to be
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01:06:45,166 --> 01:06:45,666
more sustainable
525
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:47,333
Working with
526
01:06:47,333 --> 01:06:47,708
probably
527
01:06:47,708 --> 01:06:48,541
scientists and
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01:06:48,541 --> 01:06:49,125
governments and
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01:06:49,125 --> 01:06:50,083
so forth to be
530
01:06:50,083 --> 01:06:51,083
more sustainable
531
01:06:51,083 --> 01:06:51,583
And I think
532
01:06:51,583 --> 01:06:52,416
that's a really
533
01:06:52,416 --> 01:06:53,625
important message
534
01:06:53,708 --> 01:06:54,416
Especially as
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01:06:54,416 --> 01:06:55,291
they get more and
536
01:06:55,291 --> 01:06:56,250
more into the
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01:06:56,250 --> 01:06:56,833
movie because
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01:06:56,833 --> 01:06:57,291
when they get
539
01:06:57,291 --> 01:06:57,791
into the movie
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01:06:57,791 --> 01:06:58,458
they talk about
541
01:06:59,166 --> 01:06:59,666
Industrial
542
01:06:59,666 --> 01:07:00,916
fishing in this
543
01:07:00,916 --> 01:07:01,375
movie they're
544
01:07:01,375 --> 01:07:01,875
focusing on
545
01:07:01,875 --> 01:07:02,500
industrial
546
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:03,750
trawling and they
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01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:04,333
even have
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01:07:04,583 --> 01:07:05,333
cameras that are
549
01:07:05,333 --> 01:07:06,000
hooked up to the
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01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:06,791
trolls multiple
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01:07:06,791 --> 01:07:07,875
angle cameras
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01:07:07,875 --> 01:07:08,541
that are hooked
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01:07:08,541 --> 01:07:09,166
up to a trial to
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01:07:09,166 --> 01:07:09,875
show how
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01:07:10,166 --> 01:07:10,916
Devastating a
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01:07:10,916 --> 01:07:12,333
trawl could be a
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01:07:12,333 --> 01:07:12,875
trawl that comes
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01:07:12,875 --> 01:07:13,791
through I've
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01:07:13,791 --> 01:07:14,250
talked about this
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01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:14,750
a number of times
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01:07:14,791 --> 01:07:15,041
We'll go
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01:07:15,041 --> 01:07:15,500
over quickly
563
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:16,125
It has these
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01:07:16,125 --> 01:07:17,375
doors that sink
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01:07:17,375 --> 01:07:18,166
and open up the
566
01:07:18,166 --> 01:07:19,125
net it has a
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01:07:19,125 --> 01:07:19,583
chain that
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01:07:19,583 --> 01:07:20,000
connects the
569
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:20,458
doors at the
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01:07:20,458 --> 01:07:20,916
beginning the
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01:07:20,916 --> 01:07:21,375
entrance of
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01:07:21,375 --> 01:07:21,833
The nets a
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01:07:21,833 --> 01:07:22,625
massive net that
574
01:07:22,625 --> 01:07:23,958
trails behind and
575
01:07:23,958 --> 01:07:24,416
then it just
576
01:07:24,416 --> 01:07:25,375
scrapes
577
01:07:25,375 --> 01:07:25,958
the bottom
578
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,125
With that chain
579
01:07:27,125 --> 01:07:27,750
and it takes
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01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:28,625
everything every
581
01:07:28,625 --> 01:07:29,583
fish and critter
582
01:07:29,583 --> 01:07:30,125
that's in there
583
01:07:30,125 --> 01:07:30,666
and it'll
584
01:07:30,666 --> 01:07:31,416
put it up now
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01:07:31,458 --> 01:07:32,375
We're gonna talk
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01:07:32,375 --> 01:07:33,166
a little bit more
587
01:07:33,166 --> 01:07:34,333
in a bit about
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01:07:34,333 --> 01:07:35,250
trawling and how
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01:07:35,250 --> 01:07:35,750
they could be
590
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:36,333
changed and how
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01:07:36,333 --> 01:07:36,583
it's
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01:07:36,583 --> 01:07:37,416
optimized to be
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01:07:37,416 --> 01:07:38,666
A little better
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01:07:38,666 --> 01:07:39,333
we're gonna talk
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01:07:39,333 --> 01:07:40,000
about that in a
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01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:40,541
bit, but that's
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01:07:40,541 --> 01:07:40,958
what it shows
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01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:41,708
It shows kind of
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01:07:41,708 --> 01:07:42,333
the devastation
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01:07:42,333 --> 01:07:43,458
that it leaves
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01:07:43,458 --> 01:07:44,791
You know in its
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01:07:44,791 --> 01:07:46,375
path as this wide
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01:07:46,375 --> 01:07:47,208
opening say 10
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01:07:47,208 --> 01:07:48,041
foot may 20 foot
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01:07:48,041 --> 01:07:49,000
wide opening net
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01:07:49,041 --> 01:07:49,916
Just destroys
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01:07:49,916 --> 01:07:50,625
everything in its
608
01:07:50,625 --> 01:07:51,291
path and it goes
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01:07:51,291 --> 01:07:51,791
for a certain
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01:07:51,791 --> 01:07:52,125
amount of
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01:07:52,125 --> 01:07:52,958
kilometers and
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01:07:52,958 --> 01:07:53,583
then it pans out
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01:07:53,583 --> 01:07:54,083
to a drone
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01:07:54,083 --> 01:07:54,583
It shows the
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01:07:54,583 --> 01:07:55,458
different paths
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01:07:55,458 --> 01:07:56,250
which are very
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01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:57,500
narrow paths, you
618
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:58,000
know, just to
619
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:58,500
look at it from
620
01:07:58,500 --> 01:07:59,208
that perspective
621
01:07:59,208 --> 01:08:00,000
But we're gonna
622
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:00,583
talk a little bit
623
01:08:00,583 --> 01:08:01,625
about why they're
624
01:08:01,625 --> 01:08:02,041
showing these
625
01:08:02,041 --> 01:08:02,416
trolls because
626
01:08:02,416 --> 01:08:02,750
they're talking
627
01:08:02,750 --> 01:08:03,208
about how
628
01:08:03,208 --> 01:08:04,250
trolls are
629
01:08:04,250 --> 01:08:05,541
Allowed to go and
630
01:08:05,541 --> 01:08:05,958
pretty much
631
01:08:05,958 --> 01:08:06,750
anywhere in
632
01:08:06,750 --> 01:08:07,583
certain countries
633
01:08:07,583 --> 01:08:08,500
in the UK. There
634
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:09,083
was a study that
635
01:08:09,083 --> 01:08:09,458
was released
636
01:08:09,541 --> 01:08:10,083
I think I covered
637
01:08:10,083 --> 01:08:10,750
it on the podcast
638
01:08:10,750 --> 01:08:13,208
90% of the MPAs
639
01:08:13,208 --> 01:08:14,500
in the UK allow
640
01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:15,333
bottom trawling
641
01:08:15,333 --> 01:08:16,375
now if you think
642
01:08:16,375 --> 01:08:17,500
about an MPa
643
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:17,958
Which it talks
644
01:08:17,958 --> 01:08:18,375
about in the
645
01:08:18,375 --> 01:08:19,416
episode as one of
646
01:08:19,416 --> 01:08:19,500
those
647
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:20,208
hopeful things
648
01:08:20,208 --> 01:08:20,708
It says look
649
01:08:20,708 --> 01:08:21,416
here's this
650
01:08:21,416 --> 01:08:21,916
fishing this
651
01:08:21,916 --> 01:08:22,666
devastating fish
652
01:08:22,666 --> 01:08:23,750
in that if you
653
01:08:23,750 --> 01:08:24,875
use trawling over
654
01:08:24,875 --> 01:08:25,666
and over and over
655
01:08:25,666 --> 01:08:26,041
again the
656
01:08:26,041 --> 01:08:26,500
same area
657
01:08:26,625 --> 01:08:27,000
It's gonna
658
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:27,708
destroy the
659
01:08:27,708 --> 01:08:28,541
habitat and we'll
660
01:08:28,541 --> 01:08:29,083
get into that a
661
01:08:29,083 --> 01:08:30,208
little bit, but
662
01:08:30,208 --> 01:08:31,250
we could get
663
01:08:31,250 --> 01:08:31,833
away from it
664
01:08:31,833 --> 01:08:32,416
It talks a lot
665
01:08:32,416 --> 01:08:32,750
about this
666
01:08:32,750 --> 01:08:33,416
depressing stuff
667
01:08:33,416 --> 01:08:33,833
and you get
668
01:08:33,833 --> 01:08:34,166
depressing
669
01:08:34,166 --> 01:08:34,625
I was watching
670
01:08:34,625 --> 01:08:35,125
with my daughter
671
01:08:35,125 --> 01:08:35,583
my daughter says
672
01:08:35,583 --> 01:08:36,583
she even cried in
673
01:08:36,583 --> 01:08:36,875
certain
674
01:08:36,875 --> 01:08:37,583
situations there
675
01:08:37,583 --> 01:08:38,208
because it was so
676
01:08:38,208 --> 01:08:38,625
depressing
677
01:08:38,625 --> 01:08:39,125
to see these
678
01:08:39,166 --> 01:08:40,125
animals suffering
679
01:08:40,125 --> 01:08:40,458
like
680
01:08:40,458 --> 01:08:41,416
invertebrates and
681
01:08:41,416 --> 01:08:42,000
so forth and just
682
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:42,875
a barren sea
683
01:08:42,875 --> 01:08:43,666
after seeing such
684
01:08:43,666 --> 01:08:44,875
a productive area
685
01:08:45,166 --> 01:08:46,125
But then it goes
686
01:08:46,125 --> 01:08:47,000
into some hope it
687
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:47,333
says hey
688
01:08:47,333 --> 01:08:48,166
You know what the
689
01:08:48,166 --> 01:08:49,041
ocean can recover
690
01:08:49,041 --> 01:08:49,291
really quickly
691
01:08:49,291 --> 01:08:50,708
when it recovers
692
01:08:50,708 --> 01:08:51,375
really quickly is
693
01:08:51,375 --> 01:08:52,041
once we start
694
01:08:52,041 --> 01:08:52,833
telling people
695
01:08:52,833 --> 01:08:53,125
that you
696
01:08:53,125 --> 01:08:53,625
can't fish
697
01:08:53,625 --> 01:08:54,416
In certain areas
698
01:08:54,416 --> 01:08:55,250
certain areas are
699
01:08:55,250 --> 01:08:55,958
known to be
700
01:08:55,958 --> 01:08:56,666
productive and
701
01:08:56,666 --> 01:08:57,666
once those areas
702
01:08:57,666 --> 01:08:58,333
are productive
703
01:08:58,333 --> 01:08:59,000
and fish are
704
01:08:59,000 --> 01:08:59,625
allowed to come
705
01:08:59,625 --> 01:09:00,458
back and regulate
706
01:09:00,458 --> 01:09:02,041
The habitat then
707
01:09:02,041 --> 01:09:02,666
they start to
708
01:09:02,666 --> 01:09:03,375
have a spillover
709
01:09:03,375 --> 01:09:04,125
effect outside
710
01:09:04,125 --> 01:09:05,416
the boundaries of
711
01:09:05,416 --> 01:09:06,041
the marine
712
01:09:06,041 --> 01:09:06,708
protected area
713
01:09:06,791 --> 01:09:07,583
And then that
714
01:09:07,583 --> 01:09:07,958
could spill
715
01:09:07,958 --> 01:09:08,750
effect can go for
716
01:09:08,750 --> 01:09:09,250
kilometers
717
01:09:09,250 --> 01:09:09,833
depending on the
718
01:09:09,833 --> 01:09:10,541
species and its
719
01:09:10,541 --> 01:09:11,416
larval dispersal
720
01:09:11,416 --> 01:09:11,750
rates and
721
01:09:11,750 --> 01:09:12,000
everything
722
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:12,416
like that
723
01:09:12,416 --> 01:09:13,750
And it has such a
724
01:09:13,750 --> 01:09:14,458
benefit. I want
725
01:09:14,458 --> 01:09:15,000
you to watch the
726
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,041
movie. So I'm not
727
01:09:16,041 --> 01:09:16,458
gonna say the
728
01:09:16,458 --> 01:09:16,916
whole explanation
729
01:09:16,916 --> 01:09:17,333
I want you to
730
01:09:17,333 --> 01:09:17,916
watch the movie
731
01:09:17,916 --> 01:09:18,333
because the
732
01:09:18,333 --> 01:09:19,583
imagery and the
733
01:09:19,583 --> 01:09:20,333
videography
734
01:09:20,333 --> 01:09:21,208
is just
735
01:09:21,875 --> 01:09:22,875
Phenomenal, you
736
01:09:22,875 --> 01:09:23,500
know seeing the
737
01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:23,708
different colors
738
01:09:23,708 --> 01:09:25,375
of the shallows
739
01:09:25,375 --> 01:09:25,791
and different
740
01:09:25,791 --> 01:09:26,583
colors of the
741
01:09:26,583 --> 01:09:27,000
deep sea
742
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:27,375
It's just
743
01:09:27,375 --> 01:09:27,958
amazing. So you
744
01:09:27,958 --> 01:09:28,625
have to watch it,
745
01:09:28,625 --> 01:09:29,375
but that was part
746
01:09:29,375 --> 01:09:29,666
of the message
747
01:09:29,666 --> 01:09:30,416
was this hope I
748
01:09:30,416 --> 01:09:30,541
was like,
749
01:09:30,541 --> 01:09:31,000
oh, okay
750
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:31,375
So they're
751
01:09:31,375 --> 01:09:31,750
talking about a
752
01:09:31,750 --> 01:09:32,375
lot of depressing
753
01:09:32,375 --> 01:09:33,041
stuff. They
754
01:09:33,041 --> 01:09:33,500
didn't spend the
755
01:09:33,500 --> 01:09:34,166
whole movie on it
756
01:09:34,208 --> 01:09:34,708
But they talked a
757
01:09:34,708 --> 01:09:35,208
lot about the
758
01:09:35,208 --> 01:09:36,041
hope and MPAs
759
01:09:36,041 --> 01:09:36,708
then they started
760
01:09:36,708 --> 01:09:37,208
talking about the
761
01:09:37,208 --> 01:09:37,875
problem with some
762
01:09:37,875 --> 01:09:38,583
MPAs in the way
763
01:09:38,583 --> 01:09:39,041
they're managed
764
01:09:39,125 --> 01:09:39,666
Which is great.
765
01:09:39,666 --> 01:09:40,041
They could have
766
01:09:40,041 --> 01:09:40,500
gone into a
767
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:40,833
little bit
768
01:09:40,833 --> 01:09:41,375
more detail
769
01:09:41,375 --> 01:09:42,083
But I know what
770
01:09:42,083 --> 01:09:42,541
they were trying
771
01:09:42,541 --> 01:09:43,500
to do and then
772
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:43,958
they started to
773
01:09:43,958 --> 01:09:44,333
come back and
774
01:09:44,333 --> 01:09:44,833
they say hey, you
775
01:09:44,833 --> 01:09:45,125
know what?
776
01:09:45,125 --> 01:09:45,583
We've actually
777
01:09:45,583 --> 01:09:46,541
had some great
778
01:09:46,541 --> 01:09:46,958
things the
779
01:09:46,958 --> 01:09:47,583
Channel Islands
780
01:09:47,583 --> 01:09:48,416
off the coast of
781
01:09:48,416 --> 01:09:48,958
California
782
01:09:48,958 --> 01:09:49,500
in the USA
783
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:49,958
The Channel
784
01:09:49,958 --> 01:09:50,416
Islands came back
785
01:09:50,416 --> 01:09:51,500
and they had a
786
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:52,041
marine protected
787
01:09:52,041 --> 01:09:52,833
area and people
788
01:09:52,833 --> 01:09:53,416
said oh, you know
789
01:09:53,416 --> 01:09:54,041
after a while
790
01:09:54,041 --> 01:09:54,708
We started to see
791
01:09:54,708 --> 01:09:55,500
changes happening
792
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:56,041
and then we
793
01:09:56,041 --> 01:09:56,500
started to get
794
01:09:56,500 --> 01:09:57,708
record numbers of
795
01:09:57,708 --> 01:09:58,208
catches in
796
01:09:58,208 --> 01:09:58,500
this case
797
01:09:58,500 --> 01:09:59,208
It was lobsters
798
01:09:59,208 --> 01:09:59,875
finally, so you
799
01:09:59,875 --> 01:10:00,458
started to see
800
01:10:00,458 --> 01:10:00,916
this and you're
801
01:10:00,916 --> 01:10:01,666
like, okay, so
802
01:10:01,666 --> 01:10:01,916
this is
803
01:10:01,916 --> 01:10:02,500
actually working
804
01:10:02,666 --> 01:10:03,500
We've seen this
805
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:04,125
before in the
806
01:10:04,125 --> 01:10:04,500
literature
807
01:10:04,541 --> 01:10:05,333
We've seen marine
808
01:10:05,333 --> 01:10:06,083
protected areas
809
01:10:06,083 --> 01:10:06,625
that if done
810
01:10:06,625 --> 01:10:07,541
properly and
811
01:10:07,541 --> 01:10:08,458
managed properly
812
01:10:08,458 --> 01:10:09,000
and enforced
813
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:09,500
properly
814
01:10:09,625 --> 01:10:11,125
You can see a
815
01:10:11,125 --> 01:10:12,625
change back to
816
01:10:12,625 --> 01:10:13,416
the system that
817
01:10:13,416 --> 01:10:14,083
was productive
818
01:10:14,083 --> 01:10:15,375
and a change in
819
01:10:15,375 --> 01:10:15,875
the habitat
820
01:10:15,875 --> 01:10:16,583
So that was
821
01:10:16,583 --> 01:10:17,791
really great the
822
01:10:17,791 --> 01:10:19,000
messaging overall
823
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,125
was like we have
824
01:10:20,125 --> 01:10:20,875
hope the ocean
825
01:10:20,875 --> 01:10:21,500
can recover
826
01:10:21,500 --> 01:10:22,250
There are people
827
01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:23,208
that can do some
828
01:10:23,208 --> 01:10:23,541
really
829
01:10:23,541 --> 01:10:24,250
great things
830
01:10:24,250 --> 01:10:25,666
They talked also
831
01:10:25,666 --> 01:10:26,500
about Antarctica
832
01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:27,083
and some of the
833
01:10:27,083 --> 01:10:27,666
trawling that's
834
01:10:27,666 --> 01:10:27,875
happening
835
01:10:27,875 --> 01:10:28,500
Antarctica for
836
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:29,541
krill and how the
837
01:10:29,541 --> 01:10:29,958
whales are
838
01:10:29,958 --> 01:10:30,541
using that
839
01:10:30,583 --> 01:10:31,291
Area at the
840
01:10:31,291 --> 01:10:32,166
Southern Ocean to
841
01:10:32,166 --> 01:10:33,125
get krill and now
842
01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:33,500
they're running
843
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:34,000
out of food
844
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:34,541
So what's gonna
845
01:10:34,541 --> 01:10:35,208
happen with the
846
01:10:35,208 --> 01:10:36,083
whales they even
847
01:10:36,083 --> 01:10:37,083
talked about the
848
01:10:37,083 --> 01:10:37,958
recovery near the
849
01:10:37,958 --> 01:10:38,458
end especially
850
01:10:38,458 --> 01:10:38,958
which I thought
851
01:10:38,958 --> 01:10:39,291
was really
852
01:10:39,291 --> 01:10:39,625
interesting
853
01:10:39,625 --> 01:10:40,166
They talked about
854
01:10:40,166 --> 01:10:40,750
how we've done
855
01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:41,458
this before
856
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:42,416
We've taken
857
01:10:42,416 --> 01:10:43,125
animals to the
858
01:10:43,125 --> 01:10:43,500
brink of
859
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:44,500
extinction ie
860
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:45,250
whales when we
861
01:10:45,250 --> 01:10:45,750
used to hunt
862
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:47,083
whales back in
863
01:10:47,083 --> 01:10:48,250
the 1800s
864
01:10:48,333 --> 01:10:48,958
Almost to
865
01:10:48,958 --> 01:10:49,500
extinction
866
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:50,000
because we used
867
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:50,625
to hunt whales
868
01:10:50,625 --> 01:10:52,041
for fuel. That's
869
01:10:52,041 --> 01:10:52,791
how we got fuel
870
01:10:52,791 --> 01:10:53,166
That's how we
871
01:10:53,166 --> 01:10:53,916
burnt all the
872
01:10:53,916 --> 01:10:54,250
lights and
873
01:10:54,250 --> 01:10:54,666
everything like
874
01:10:54,666 --> 01:10:55,250
that and how the
875
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:56,416
lights stay on
876
01:10:56,416 --> 01:10:56,708
they would
877
01:10:56,708 --> 01:10:57,208
burn slower
878
01:10:57,333 --> 01:10:58,166
That was our
879
01:10:58,166 --> 01:10:59,541
energy and so we
880
01:10:59,541 --> 01:11:00,541
hunted whales to
881
01:11:00,541 --> 01:11:01,208
the brink until
882
01:11:01,208 --> 01:11:01,791
we said, you know
883
01:11:01,791 --> 01:11:02,000
What we
884
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:02,791
discovered oil
885
01:11:02,791 --> 01:11:04,083
and gas oil and
886
01:11:04,083 --> 01:11:04,750
gas became the
887
01:11:04,750 --> 01:11:04,958
main
888
01:11:04,958 --> 01:11:05,833
producer of energy
889
01:11:05,958 --> 01:11:06,833
People want to
890
01:11:06,833 --> 01:11:07,500
stop hunting the
891
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:07,708
whales eventually
892
01:11:07,708 --> 01:11:08,958
stopped there's
893
01:11:08,958 --> 01:11:09,583
certain countries
894
01:11:09,583 --> 01:11:10,500
that still do but
895
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:11,083
for the most part
896
01:11:11,083 --> 01:11:11,500
We've seen a
897
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:12,458
recovery of
898
01:11:12,458 --> 01:11:13,375
humpback whales
899
01:11:13,375 --> 01:11:14,625
of bowhead was of
900
01:11:14,625 --> 01:11:15,041
a lot of
901
01:11:15,041 --> 01:11:15,625
different whales
902
01:11:15,625 --> 01:11:16,791
out there blue
903
01:11:16,791 --> 01:11:17,125
whales
904
01:11:17,125 --> 01:11:18,000
that you know
905
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:18,666
We're hunted to
906
01:11:18,666 --> 01:11:19,250
almost extinction
907
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:19,958
and now we've
908
01:11:19,958 --> 01:11:20,666
seen like they're
909
01:11:20,666 --> 01:11:20,916
great
910
01:11:20,916 --> 01:11:21,416
conservation
911
01:11:21,416 --> 01:11:22,750
stories if we put
912
01:11:22,750 --> 01:11:22,916
together
913
01:11:23,625 --> 01:11:23,875
Conservation
914
01:11:23,875 --> 01:11:24,958
winds we can
915
01:11:24,958 --> 01:11:25,958
really do a
916
01:11:25,958 --> 01:11:27,166
good job now
917
01:11:27,166 --> 01:11:27,791
Here's what they
918
01:11:27,791 --> 01:11:28,250
talked about
919
01:11:28,250 --> 01:11:29,208
right at the end
920
01:11:29,208 --> 01:11:29,500
before
921
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:29,916
the credits
922
01:11:29,916 --> 01:11:30,333
They basically
923
01:11:30,333 --> 01:11:31,583
wrote on text on
924
01:11:31,583 --> 01:11:32,000
the screen
925
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:32,666
basically saying
926
01:11:32,666 --> 01:11:33,208
that the ocean
927
01:11:33,208 --> 01:11:33,875
decade conference
928
01:11:33,875 --> 01:11:34,583
coming up in Nice
929
01:11:34,583 --> 01:11:35,125
France where
930
01:11:35,125 --> 01:11:35,708
countries are
931
01:11:35,708 --> 01:11:36,041
gonna be
932
01:11:36,250 --> 01:11:36,833
Negotiating and
933
01:11:36,833 --> 01:11:37,375
trying to sign
934
01:11:37,375 --> 01:11:38,000
and talk about
935
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:38,500
what the work
936
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:38,916
that they've been
937
01:11:38,916 --> 01:11:39,708
doing to protect
938
01:11:39,708 --> 01:11:41,208
30% of the ocean
939
01:11:41,208 --> 01:11:42,541
by 2030 and 30%
940
01:11:42,750 --> 01:11:43,666
Of their control
941
01:11:43,666 --> 01:11:44,333
like exclusive
942
01:11:44,333 --> 01:11:45,125
economic zone,
943
01:11:45,125 --> 01:11:45,458
you know
944
01:11:45,458 --> 01:11:46,166
They'd call for
945
01:11:46,166 --> 01:11:46,625
those countries
946
01:11:46,625 --> 01:11:47,333
to do a better
947
01:11:47,333 --> 01:11:48,458
job to get more
948
01:11:48,458 --> 01:11:48,708
protection
949
01:11:49,125 --> 01:11:50,250
Faster because
950
01:11:50,250 --> 01:11:50,583
there's only
951
01:11:50,583 --> 01:11:51,291
globally there's
952
01:11:51,291 --> 01:11:52,583
less than 3% of
953
01:11:52,583 --> 01:11:53,000
the ocean
954
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:53,666
protected
955
01:11:53,708 --> 01:11:54,416
But we're seeing
956
01:11:54,416 --> 01:11:54,875
a lot of
957
01:11:54,875 --> 01:11:55,625
productivity come
958
01:11:55,625 --> 01:11:56,583
from that 3% and
959
01:11:56,583 --> 01:11:57,125
we're also seeing
960
01:11:57,125 --> 01:11:57,833
others now
961
01:11:57,833 --> 01:11:58,583
There's a lot of
962
01:11:58,583 --> 01:11:59,083
issues
963
01:11:59,083 --> 01:12:00,500
surrounding MPAs
964
01:12:00,500 --> 01:12:01,083
and designated
965
01:12:01,083 --> 01:12:01,958
MPAs one
966
01:12:01,958 --> 01:12:02,541
I mean, it's not
967
01:12:02,541 --> 01:12:02,958
really an issue,
968
01:12:02,958 --> 01:12:03,625
but it takes a
969
01:12:03,625 --> 01:12:04,041
long time
970
01:12:04,041 --> 01:12:04,666
It takes a long
971
01:12:04,666 --> 01:12:05,541
time because it's
972
01:12:05,541 --> 01:12:05,916
conflict
973
01:12:05,916 --> 01:12:06,375
management
974
01:12:06,625 --> 01:12:07,166
You are telling
975
01:12:07,166 --> 01:12:07,875
people who used
976
01:12:07,875 --> 01:12:08,333
to be able to
977
01:12:08,333 --> 01:12:08,875
fish or do
978
01:12:08,875 --> 01:12:09,666
anything in a
979
01:12:09,666 --> 01:12:10,333
certain area that
980
01:12:10,333 --> 01:12:10,666
they're gonna be
981
01:12:10,666 --> 01:12:10,958
restricted
982
01:12:10,958 --> 01:12:11,416
from doing
983
01:12:11,416 --> 01:12:12,083
That activity in
984
01:12:12,083 --> 01:12:12,833
that area. It's
985
01:12:12,833 --> 01:12:13,583
not just fishing.
986
01:12:13,583 --> 01:12:14,875
It's any kind of
987
01:12:14,875 --> 01:12:15,625
extractive type.
988
01:12:15,625 --> 01:12:16,083
So it could be
989
01:12:16,083 --> 01:12:16,625
oil and gas
990
01:12:16,791 --> 01:12:17,666
It could be
991
01:12:17,666 --> 01:12:18,875
mining it could
992
01:12:18,875 --> 01:12:19,708
be development.
993
01:12:19,958 --> 01:12:20,500
It could be even
994
01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:21,083
recreational
995
01:12:21,083 --> 01:12:21,666
activities
996
01:12:21,666 --> 01:12:22,958
depending on how
997
01:12:22,958 --> 01:12:24,291
bad that area is
998
01:12:24,291 --> 01:12:25,125
So you have to do
999
01:12:25,125 --> 01:12:25,791
a lot of conflict
1000
01:12:25,791 --> 01:12:26,125
management
1001
01:12:26,125 --> 01:12:26,666
You have to do a
1002
01:12:26,666 --> 01:12:27,000
lot of
1003
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:27,791
compromising a
1004
01:12:27,791 --> 01:12:28,000
lot of
1005
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:28,958
negotiation to
1006
01:12:28,958 --> 01:12:29,583
get an area
1007
01:12:29,583 --> 01:12:30,041
protected
1008
01:12:30,208 --> 01:12:31,125
And once you get
1009
01:12:31,125 --> 01:12:31,500
that area
1010
01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:32,000
protected which
1011
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:32,333
could take
1012
01:12:32,333 --> 01:12:33,000
anywhere from a
1013
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:33,916
year to like 10
1014
01:12:33,916 --> 01:12:34,791
years even longer
1015
01:12:34,791 --> 01:12:35,708
to get protected
1016
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:36,541
Then you have to
1017
01:12:36,541 --> 01:12:37,125
enforce and you
1018
01:12:37,125 --> 01:12:37,583
have to manage
1019
01:12:37,583 --> 01:12:38,000
and you have to
1020
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:38,291
go through
1021
01:12:38,291 --> 01:12:38,625
adaptive
1022
01:12:38,625 --> 01:12:39,000
management
1023
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:39,875
process to change
1024
01:12:39,875 --> 01:12:40,000
the
1025
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:40,791
management with
1026
01:12:40,791 --> 01:12:41,250
You know
1027
01:12:41,250 --> 01:12:41,833
different types
1028
01:12:41,833 --> 01:12:42,458
of changes that
1029
01:12:42,458 --> 01:12:43,208
are going on in
1030
01:12:43,208 --> 01:12:44,375
the world a lot
1031
01:12:44,375 --> 01:12:44,666
of stuff
1032
01:12:44,666 --> 01:12:45,291
going on there
1033
01:12:45,333 --> 01:12:45,875
That was really
1034
01:12:45,875 --> 01:12:46,500
interesting to
1035
01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:47,541
see they didn't
1036
01:12:47,541 --> 01:12:48,500
mention that in
1037
01:12:48,500 --> 01:12:48,875
Antarctica
1038
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:49,708
There is the
1039
01:12:49,708 --> 01:12:50,625
eastern part of
1040
01:12:50,625 --> 01:12:51,208
the ocean in
1041
01:12:51,208 --> 01:12:51,666
Antarctica the
1042
01:12:51,666 --> 01:12:52,125
southern ocean
1043
01:12:52,125 --> 01:12:52,416
that they
1044
01:12:52,416 --> 01:12:52,958
want to protect
1045
01:12:52,958 --> 01:12:53,166
they've been
1046
01:12:53,166 --> 01:12:53,625
trying to get it
1047
01:12:53,625 --> 01:12:54,333
protected for
1048
01:12:54,333 --> 01:12:55,833
over 10 years and
1049
01:12:55,916 --> 01:12:56,500
Antarctica is
1050
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:57,875
managed by 24 25
1051
01:12:57,875 --> 01:12:58,375
countries
1052
01:12:58,375 --> 01:12:59,291
including China
1053
01:12:59,291 --> 01:12:59,875
and Russia who
1054
01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:00,708
keep you know
1055
01:13:00,875 --> 01:13:01,791
Blocking the vote
1056
01:13:01,791 --> 01:13:03,000
to get this area
1057
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:03,625
protected. They
1058
01:13:03,625 --> 01:13:04,625
did protect the
1059
01:13:04,625 --> 01:13:05,750
Ross MPa or the
1060
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:06,458
Ross sea which
1061
01:13:06,458 --> 01:13:06,916
was great
1062
01:13:06,916 --> 01:13:07,458
But now they want
1063
01:13:07,458 --> 01:13:07,875
to protect this
1064
01:13:07,875 --> 01:13:08,708
other area to not
1065
01:13:08,708 --> 01:13:08,875
only
1066
01:13:08,875 --> 01:13:09,416
protect krill
1067
01:13:09,416 --> 01:13:10,000
But other fish
1068
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:10,833
like what they
1069
01:13:10,833 --> 01:13:11,583
call the Chilean
1070
01:13:11,583 --> 01:13:12,958
sea bass, which
1071
01:13:12,958 --> 01:13:13,541
is different fish
1072
01:13:13,583 --> 01:13:14,250
I think it's
1073
01:13:14,250 --> 01:13:15,000
called Patagonia
1074
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:15,500
and tooth fish
1075
01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:17,083
and so people are
1076
01:13:17,083 --> 01:13:17,583
trying to protect
1077
01:13:17,583 --> 01:13:18,333
but it's hard to
1078
01:13:18,333 --> 01:13:18,625
protect
1079
01:13:18,625 --> 01:13:19,166
these areas
1080
01:13:19,166 --> 01:13:20,083
So there's a lot
1081
01:13:20,083 --> 01:13:20,500
of different
1082
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:21,000
issues and then
1083
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:21,458
we talked about
1084
01:13:21,458 --> 01:13:22,000
the enforcement
1085
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,000
the UK allows
1086
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:23,500
bottom trolley
1087
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:24,500
and 90% of its
1088
01:13:24,500 --> 01:13:24,750
marine
1089
01:13:24,750 --> 01:13:25,583
protected areas
1090
01:13:25,583 --> 01:13:26,208
That's got to
1091
01:13:26,208 --> 01:13:27,166
change because
1092
01:13:27,166 --> 01:13:27,875
you can't protect
1093
01:13:27,875 --> 01:13:28,791
an area. You're
1094
01:13:28,791 --> 01:13:29,000
not just
1095
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:29,291
protecting
1096
01:13:29,291 --> 01:13:29,583
species
1097
01:13:29,583 --> 01:13:30,166
You can't protect
1098
01:13:30,166 --> 01:13:30,958
an area because
1099
01:13:30,958 --> 01:13:31,416
that's where they
1100
01:13:31,416 --> 01:13:31,791
live. That's
1101
01:13:31,791 --> 01:13:32,291
where they eat.
1102
01:13:32,291 --> 01:13:32,666
That's where they
1103
01:13:32,666 --> 01:13:33,041
interact
1104
01:13:33,041 --> 01:13:33,583
You have to
1105
01:13:33,583 --> 01:13:34,125
protect that area
1106
01:13:34,125 --> 01:13:34,708
You can't let
1107
01:13:34,708 --> 01:13:35,500
bottom trolley a
1108
01:13:35,500 --> 01:13:36,041
destructive
1109
01:13:36,041 --> 01:13:37,208
fishing practice
1110
01:13:37,208 --> 01:13:37,958
that will come
1111
01:13:37,958 --> 01:13:38,541
through and
1112
01:13:38,541 --> 01:13:39,208
destroy a
1113
01:13:39,208 --> 01:13:39,958
particular part
1114
01:13:39,958 --> 01:13:40,583
of the habitat
1115
01:13:40,666 --> 01:13:41,333
If that continues
1116
01:13:41,333 --> 01:13:42,041
to happen over
1117
01:13:42,041 --> 01:13:42,708
and over and over
1118
01:13:42,708 --> 01:13:43,458
again, you know
1119
01:13:43,458 --> 01:13:44,000
Even it starts
1120
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:44,833
off as narrow
1121
01:13:44,833 --> 01:13:45,750
bands that can
1122
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:46,375
increase and
1123
01:13:46,375 --> 01:13:47,083
increase as
1124
01:13:47,083 --> 01:13:47,708
bottom trolley
1125
01:13:47,708 --> 01:13:48,250
continues
1126
01:13:48,250 --> 01:13:48,875
to happen
1127
01:13:48,875 --> 01:13:50,208
So there's got to
1128
01:13:50,208 --> 01:13:50,625
be some
1129
01:13:50,625 --> 01:13:51,250
restriction of
1130
01:13:51,250 --> 01:13:51,916
extractive
1131
01:13:51,916 --> 01:13:52,416
processes in
1132
01:13:52,416 --> 01:13:53,500
marine
1133
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:54,208
protected areas
1134
01:13:54,208 --> 01:13:54,875
In fact, it was
1135
01:13:54,875 --> 01:13:55,625
argued that you
1136
01:13:55,625 --> 01:13:56,291
don't really have
1137
01:13:56,291 --> 01:13:56,708
a marine
1138
01:13:56,708 --> 01:13:57,833
protected area if
1139
01:13:57,833 --> 01:13:58,333
you allow
1140
01:13:58,333 --> 01:13:58,958
extractive
1141
01:13:58,958 --> 01:13:59,875
processes like
1142
01:13:59,875 --> 01:14:00,416
fish bottom
1143
01:14:00,416 --> 01:14:01,333
trolley in marine
1144
01:14:01,333 --> 01:14:01,708
protected
1145
01:14:01,708 --> 01:14:02,708
Areas, so there
1146
01:14:02,708 --> 01:14:03,166
are a lot of
1147
01:14:03,166 --> 01:14:03,541
things that
1148
01:14:03,541 --> 01:14:04,500
happen that have
1149
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:05,333
to be stopped now
1150
01:14:05,333 --> 01:14:05,833
Let's talk a
1151
01:14:05,833 --> 01:14:06,541
little bit about
1152
01:14:06,541 --> 01:14:07,000
trawling
1153
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:08,083
Trawling is a
1154
01:14:08,083 --> 01:14:08,541
destructive
1155
01:14:08,541 --> 01:14:09,500
practice like I
1156
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:10,000
talked about
1157
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,000
before it scrapes
1158
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:11,875
the bottom. There
1159
01:14:11,875 --> 01:14:12,291
are different
1160
01:14:12,291 --> 01:14:12,958
types of trawlers
1161
01:14:12,958 --> 01:14:13,708
bottom trawling
1162
01:14:13,708 --> 01:14:14,500
There's like mid
1163
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:15,166
water column
1164
01:14:15,166 --> 01:14:16,000
trawling where
1165
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:16,500
basically the
1166
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:17,000
trawl goes
1167
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:17,541
through the
1168
01:14:17,541 --> 01:14:18,000
water column
1169
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:18,416
It doesn't
1170
01:14:18,416 --> 01:14:19,000
actually hit the
1171
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:19,541
bottom and it
1172
01:14:19,541 --> 01:14:20,916
takes anything in
1173
01:14:20,916 --> 01:14:21,500
the area
1174
01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:22,291
I think the krill
1175
01:14:22,291 --> 01:14:23,166
are going through
1176
01:14:23,166 --> 01:14:23,875
like the mid
1177
01:14:23,875 --> 01:14:25,208
column trawling,
1178
01:14:25,208 --> 01:14:25,791
but it doesn't
1179
01:14:25,791 --> 01:14:26,166
destroy
1180
01:14:26,166 --> 01:14:26,916
the bottom
1181
01:14:26,916 --> 01:14:27,583
But it does take
1182
01:14:27,583 --> 01:14:28,291
a lot depending
1183
01:14:28,291 --> 01:14:28,958
on how big the
1184
01:14:28,958 --> 01:14:29,750
net it does and
1185
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:30,208
in the oceans
1186
01:14:30,208 --> 01:14:30,791
It shows that
1187
01:14:30,791 --> 01:14:31,166
they're pretty
1188
01:14:31,166 --> 01:14:32,000
big nets and a
1189
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:32,625
lot of processing
1190
01:14:32,625 --> 01:14:33,833
going on at sea
1191
01:14:33,833 --> 01:14:34,916
before it gets
1192
01:14:34,916 --> 01:14:35,708
taken to shore
1193
01:14:35,958 --> 01:14:36,583
And so there's
1194
01:14:36,583 --> 01:14:36,916
obviously
1195
01:14:36,916 --> 01:14:37,833
problems with it,
1196
01:14:37,833 --> 01:14:38,625
but does take a
1197
01:14:38,625 --> 01:14:39,208
narrow band
1198
01:14:39,208 --> 01:14:40,208
So if managed
1199
01:14:40,208 --> 01:14:41,458
properly, maybe
1200
01:14:41,458 --> 01:14:42,625
you can say hey,
1201
01:14:42,625 --> 01:14:43,208
yeah, we can
1202
01:14:43,208 --> 01:14:44,083
actually do this
1203
01:14:44,083 --> 01:14:45,000
But you can't you
1204
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:45,375
know, there's
1205
01:14:45,375 --> 01:14:45,958
certain times
1206
01:14:45,958 --> 01:14:46,833
you're be able to
1207
01:14:46,833 --> 01:14:47,583
trawl if you take
1208
01:14:47,583 --> 01:14:48,291
a narrow band in
1209
01:14:48,291 --> 01:14:49,208
a productive area
1210
01:14:49,333 --> 01:14:49,958
And you don't
1211
01:14:49,958 --> 01:14:51,166
fish beyond that
1212
01:14:51,166 --> 01:14:52,416
that band will
1213
01:14:52,416 --> 01:14:53,000
fill in with
1214
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,000
other organisms
1215
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:54,916
as succession
1216
01:14:54,916 --> 01:14:55,416
happens
1217
01:14:55,416 --> 01:14:56,250
in ecology
1218
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:57,666
But you know, you
1219
01:14:57,666 --> 01:14:58,041
have to be
1220
01:14:58,041 --> 01:14:58,500
careful and
1221
01:14:58,500 --> 01:14:58,708
manage that
1222
01:14:58,708 --> 01:14:59,041
It's very
1223
01:14:59,041 --> 01:14:59,500
difficult to
1224
01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:00,125
manage at sea
1225
01:15:00,125 --> 01:15:00,583
when you're not
1226
01:15:00,583 --> 01:15:01,083
there all the
1227
01:15:01,083 --> 01:15:01,833
time and
1228
01:15:01,833 --> 01:15:02,416
then you know
1229
01:15:02,583 --> 01:15:03,291
People can just
1230
01:15:03,291 --> 01:15:04,000
go they'll beg
1231
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:04,541
for forgiveness
1232
01:15:04,541 --> 01:15:05,250
instead of asking
1233
01:15:05,250 --> 01:15:06,000
for permission at
1234
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:06,666
sea and they'll
1235
01:15:06,666 --> 01:15:07,000
just keep
1236
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:07,583
Trawling so you
1237
01:15:07,583 --> 01:15:08,208
do have to be
1238
01:15:08,208 --> 01:15:08,666
careful with
1239
01:15:08,666 --> 01:15:09,541
that. There have
1240
01:15:09,541 --> 01:15:10,333
been advancements
1241
01:15:10,333 --> 01:15:10,500
in
1242
01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:12,041
trawling in terms
1243
01:15:12,041 --> 01:15:13,125
of net size in
1244
01:15:13,125 --> 01:15:13,500
terms of
1245
01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:14,708
exclusive devices
1246
01:15:14,708 --> 01:15:15,750
such as sea
1247
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:15,958
turtle
1248
01:15:15,958 --> 01:15:16,916
exclusion devices
1249
01:15:17,166 --> 01:15:17,750
I think there are
1250
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:18,416
also for some
1251
01:15:18,416 --> 01:15:19,166
like dolphins as
1252
01:15:19,166 --> 01:15:19,875
well where it
1253
01:15:19,875 --> 01:15:20,625
allows these
1254
01:15:20,625 --> 01:15:21,166
animals to
1255
01:15:21,166 --> 01:15:22,000
get out of
1256
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:22,833
the net and be
1257
01:15:22,833 --> 01:15:23,583
able to survive
1258
01:15:23,583 --> 01:15:24,583
there's mesh
1259
01:15:24,583 --> 01:15:25,750
sizes which allow
1260
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:26,416
to be more
1261
01:15:26,416 --> 01:15:27,291
selective in
1262
01:15:27,291 --> 01:15:27,708
terms of the
1263
01:15:27,708 --> 01:15:28,791
type of fish so
1264
01:15:28,791 --> 01:15:29,291
they'll have
1265
01:15:29,291 --> 01:15:30,375
larger mesh sizes
1266
01:15:30,375 --> 01:15:31,291
for larger fish
1267
01:15:31,291 --> 01:15:32,125
so the smaller
1268
01:15:32,125 --> 01:15:32,750
fish can go
1269
01:15:32,750 --> 01:15:33,458
through the mesh
1270
01:15:33,458 --> 01:15:33,958
and they won't
1271
01:15:33,958 --> 01:15:34,666
get caught trying
1272
01:15:34,666 --> 01:15:35,708
to reduce bycatch
1273
01:15:35,708 --> 01:15:36,625
but I did look up
1274
01:15:36,625 --> 01:15:37,625
some statistics
1275
01:15:37,625 --> 01:15:38,833
on it and so
1276
01:15:38,833 --> 01:15:39,750
according to some
1277
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:41,000
sources bottom
1278
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:41,500
trawling accounts
1279
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:41,958
for approximately
1280
01:15:41,958 --> 01:15:42,791
25% of the
1281
01:15:42,791 --> 01:15:43,416
world's wild
1282
01:15:43,416 --> 01:15:44,125
caught seafood
1283
01:15:44,125 --> 01:15:44,958
and when you
1284
01:15:44,958 --> 01:15:45,916
include mid-water
1285
01:15:45,916 --> 01:15:46,916
trawling it
1286
01:15:46,916 --> 01:15:47,875
contributes just
1287
01:15:47,875 --> 01:15:48,583
over one-third
1288
01:15:48,583 --> 01:15:49,416
So just over 30%
1289
01:15:49,791 --> 01:15:50,958
of global fish
1290
01:15:50,958 --> 01:15:51,583
catches in
1291
01:15:51,583 --> 01:15:52,500
Canada. I want to
1292
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:52,833
get something
1293
01:15:52,833 --> 01:15:53,416
specific
1294
01:15:53,416 --> 01:15:54,041
in Canada
1295
01:15:54,375 --> 01:15:55,625
It's about 6.5%
1296
01:15:55,958 --> 01:15:56,583
of the national
1297
01:15:56,583 --> 01:15:57,458
fish catch is
1298
01:15:57,458 --> 01:15:58,125
obtained through
1299
01:15:58,125 --> 01:15:58,875
trawling methods
1300
01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:00,250
The bycatch
1301
01:16:00,250 --> 01:16:01,458
concern is that
1302
01:16:01,458 --> 01:16:02,083
the bycatch is
1303
01:16:02,083 --> 01:16:03,625
estimated at 23%
1304
01:16:04,208 --> 01:16:04,750
indicating a
1305
01:16:04,750 --> 01:16:05,166
significant
1306
01:16:05,166 --> 01:16:06,458
portion of
1307
01:16:06,458 --> 01:16:07,125
non-target
1308
01:16:07,125 --> 01:16:07,958
species caught
1309
01:16:07,958 --> 01:16:08,708
and discarded
1310
01:16:08,916 --> 01:16:10,000
In the US the
1311
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:10,833
trawl percentage
1312
01:16:10,833 --> 01:16:11,375
accounts for
1313
01:16:11,375 --> 01:16:12,041
approximately 4%
1314
01:16:12,500 --> 01:16:13,416
of the catch from
1315
01:16:13,416 --> 01:16:13,791
trawling
1316
01:16:13,791 --> 01:16:14,333
activities
1317
01:16:14,666 --> 01:16:15,208
And then the
1318
01:16:15,208 --> 01:16:16,333
bycatch is nearly
1319
01:16:16,333 --> 01:16:17,916
50% now UK
1320
01:16:18,583 --> 01:16:19,333
As I mentioned
1321
01:16:19,333 --> 01:16:21,125
90% of the MPAs
1322
01:16:21,125 --> 01:16:22,250
have permitted to
1323
01:16:22,250 --> 01:16:22,875
have bottom
1324
01:16:22,875 --> 01:16:23,250
trawling
1325
01:16:23,416 --> 01:16:24,291
But the trawling
1326
01:16:24,291 --> 01:16:24,666
stands for
1327
01:16:24,666 --> 01:16:25,000
approximately
1328
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,166
3.7% of the fish
1329
01:16:27,166 --> 01:16:27,666
catch the
1330
01:16:27,666 --> 01:16:28,083
nation's
1331
01:16:28,083 --> 01:16:28,541
fish catch
1332
01:16:28,875 --> 01:16:30,041
So maybe it's not
1333
01:16:30,041 --> 01:16:30,375
actually
1334
01:16:30,375 --> 01:16:31,041
happening even
1335
01:16:31,041 --> 01:16:32,333
though 90% of the
1336
01:16:32,333 --> 01:16:33,125
MPAs allow
1337
01:16:33,125 --> 01:16:33,791
it to happen
1338
01:16:33,791 --> 01:16:34,916
It may not be
1339
01:16:34,916 --> 01:16:35,333
happening
1340
01:16:35,333 --> 01:16:36,500
everywhere other
1341
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:37,208
notable countries
1342
01:16:37,208 --> 01:16:38,000
that have some
1343
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:38,666
significant
1344
01:16:38,666 --> 01:16:39,291
trawling
1345
01:16:39,416 --> 01:16:40,291
Approximately 65%
1346
01:16:40,625 --> 01:16:41,708
of its seafood in
1347
01:16:41,708 --> 01:16:42,166
the Netherlands
1348
01:16:42,166 --> 01:16:42,958
is caught by
1349
01:16:42,958 --> 01:16:43,625
bottom trawling
1350
01:16:43,625 --> 01:16:44,291
in Morocco
1351
01:16:44,750 --> 01:16:45,458
Also reports
1352
01:16:45,458 --> 01:16:46,750
about 65% is
1353
01:16:46,750 --> 01:16:47,291
caught from
1354
01:16:47,291 --> 01:16:47,875
bottom trawling
1355
01:16:47,875 --> 01:16:48,750
and then Vietnam
1356
01:16:48,750 --> 01:16:49,208
bottom trawling
1357
01:16:49,208 --> 01:16:50,125
accounts for 59%
1358
01:16:50,583 --> 01:16:51,000
of its
1359
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:51,708
seafood catch
1360
01:16:51,708 --> 01:16:52,583
So now obviously
1361
01:16:52,583 --> 01:16:53,000
when you're
1362
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:53,875
looking at bottom
1363
01:16:53,875 --> 01:16:54,291
trawling, you're
1364
01:16:54,291 --> 01:16:54,875
worried about
1365
01:16:54,875 --> 01:16:55,250
habitat
1366
01:16:55,250 --> 01:16:55,833
destruction
1367
01:16:56,041 --> 01:16:56,500
You're also
1368
01:16:56,500 --> 01:16:56,958
worried about
1369
01:16:56,958 --> 01:16:57,375
high
1370
01:16:57,375 --> 01:16:58,416
bycatch rates
1371
01:16:58,500 --> 01:16:59,625
So non-targeted
1372
01:16:59,625 --> 01:17:00,583
species including
1373
01:17:00,583 --> 01:17:01,375
endangered marine
1374
01:17:01,375 --> 01:17:02,041
life are caught
1375
01:17:02,041 --> 01:17:02,791
and discarded
1376
01:17:02,791 --> 01:17:03,666
leading to
1377
01:17:03,666 --> 01:17:04,333
ecological
1378
01:17:04,333 --> 01:17:05,083
imbalances
1379
01:17:05,333 --> 01:17:05,750
And then of
1380
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:06,291
course carbon
1381
01:17:06,291 --> 01:17:06,791
emissions was
1382
01:17:06,791 --> 01:17:07,541
mentioned in the
1383
01:17:07,541 --> 01:17:08,375
ocean as you
1384
01:17:08,375 --> 01:17:08,958
start to dredge
1385
01:17:08,958 --> 01:17:09,625
out the bottom
1386
01:17:09,791 --> 01:17:10,458
Sediments starts
1387
01:17:10,458 --> 01:17:11,541
to get moved and
1388
01:17:11,541 --> 01:17:12,083
carbon dioxide
1389
01:17:12,083 --> 01:17:12,666
gets released
1390
01:17:12,666 --> 01:17:13,291
into the
1391
01:17:13,291 --> 01:17:13,541
atmosphere
1392
01:17:13,833 --> 01:17:14,541
There's some
1393
01:17:14,541 --> 01:17:15,125
recent studies
1394
01:17:15,125 --> 01:17:16,041
that say that it
1395
01:17:16,041 --> 01:17:16,500
may release
1396
01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:16,958
substantial
1397
01:17:16,958 --> 01:17:17,958
amounts of carbon
1398
01:17:17,958 --> 01:17:18,916
dioxide by
1399
01:17:18,916 --> 01:17:19,916
disturbing carbon
1400
01:17:19,916 --> 01:17:21,000
rich sediments on
1401
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:21,708
the ocean floor
1402
01:17:21,708 --> 01:17:22,708
So there's a lot
1403
01:17:22,708 --> 01:17:23,750
going on with
1404
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:24,500
bottom trawling
1405
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:25,125
not the best
1406
01:17:25,125 --> 01:17:25,958
fishing method
1407
01:17:26,125 --> 01:17:26,666
Obviously,
1408
01:17:26,666 --> 01:17:27,000
there's certain
1409
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:27,583
countries that
1410
01:17:27,583 --> 01:17:28,041
depend a
1411
01:17:28,041 --> 01:17:28,541
lot on it
1412
01:17:28,541 --> 01:17:28,916
And there's other
1413
01:17:28,916 --> 01:17:29,416
countries that
1414
01:17:29,416 --> 01:17:30,125
don't depend a
1415
01:17:30,125 --> 01:17:30,625
lot on it
1416
01:17:30,625 --> 01:17:31,458
And of course the
1417
01:17:31,458 --> 01:17:31,916
management of
1418
01:17:31,916 --> 01:17:33,166
MPAs varies from
1419
01:17:33,166 --> 01:17:33,583
country to
1420
01:17:33,583 --> 01:17:33,833
country
1421
01:17:33,833 --> 01:17:34,333
to country
1422
01:17:34,583 --> 01:17:35,708
The UN came out
1423
01:17:35,708 --> 01:17:36,333
with some
1424
01:17:36,333 --> 01:17:37,166
stipulations in
1425
01:17:37,166 --> 01:17:37,916
terms of what a
1426
01:17:37,916 --> 01:17:38,500
marine protected
1427
01:17:38,500 --> 01:17:39,708
area is and they
1428
01:17:39,708 --> 01:17:40,208
kind of
1429
01:17:40,208 --> 01:17:40,750
follow that
1430
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:41,666
And then we're
1431
01:17:41,666 --> 01:17:42,375
also seeing more
1432
01:17:42,375 --> 01:17:43,000
conservation
1433
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:44,291
coming in near
1434
01:17:44,291 --> 01:17:44,875
shore as I talked
1435
01:17:44,875 --> 01:17:45,500
about a couple of
1436
01:17:45,500 --> 01:17:46,333
weeks ago with
1437
01:17:46,458 --> 01:17:47,375
Angelo Villagomez
1438
01:17:47,375 --> 01:17:48,958
and Alia Hadiat
1439
01:17:48,958 --> 01:17:49,708
from the center
1440
01:17:49,708 --> 01:17:50,250
of american
1441
01:17:50,250 --> 01:17:50,833
progress talking
1442
01:17:50,833 --> 01:17:51,458
about how near
1443
01:17:51,458 --> 01:17:52,000
shore protection
1444
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,000
should start to
1445
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:53,625
ramp up and
1446
01:17:53,625 --> 01:17:54,000
increase
1447
01:17:54,041 --> 01:17:54,541
Because we're
1448
01:17:54,541 --> 01:17:55,250
doing a lot on
1449
01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:55,583
offshore
1450
01:17:55,583 --> 01:17:56,041
But we're not
1451
01:17:56,041 --> 01:17:57,000
doing as much on
1452
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:57,458
the inshore where
1453
01:17:57,458 --> 01:17:57,875
it's just a
1454
01:17:57,875 --> 01:17:58,250
harder
1455
01:17:58,250 --> 01:17:59,125
place to do it
1456
01:17:59,125 --> 01:17:59,916
The coastal area
1457
01:17:59,916 --> 01:18:00,666
is the harder
1458
01:18:00,666 --> 01:18:01,833
place where we
1459
01:18:01,833 --> 01:18:03,083
are going to be
1460
01:18:03,083 --> 01:18:03,833
having problems
1461
01:18:03,833 --> 01:18:04,250
in conflict
1462
01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:04,791
resolution
1463
01:18:04,916 --> 01:18:05,625
That has to take
1464
01:18:05,625 --> 01:18:06,500
place before we
1465
01:18:06,500 --> 01:18:07,041
can start to
1466
01:18:07,041 --> 01:18:08,125
protect those one
1467
01:18:08,125 --> 01:18:08,541
of the things
1468
01:18:08,541 --> 01:18:09,291
they talked about
1469
01:18:09,291 --> 01:18:09,875
papahana
1470
01:18:09,875 --> 01:18:10,500
makua kaya
1471
01:18:10,750 --> 01:18:11,541
The marine
1472
01:18:11,541 --> 01:18:12,541
sanctuary off the
1473
01:18:12,541 --> 01:18:13,458
islands of hawaii
1474
01:18:13,458 --> 01:18:14,125
or just northern
1475
01:18:14,125 --> 01:18:15,041
islands of hawaii
1476
01:18:15,166 --> 01:18:16,125
Which is a huge
1477
01:18:16,125 --> 01:18:17,125
place that has a
1478
01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:17,541
great
1479
01:18:17,541 --> 01:18:18,666
spillover effect
1480
01:18:19,041 --> 01:18:19,625
Obviously that
1481
01:18:19,625 --> 01:18:20,916
was the subject
1482
01:18:20,916 --> 01:18:21,875
matter of some
1483
01:18:21,875 --> 01:18:22,791
controversy a
1484
01:18:22,791 --> 01:18:23,458
couple months ago
1485
01:18:23,458 --> 01:18:24,083
when donald trump
1486
01:18:24,083 --> 01:18:24,500
opened it
1487
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:25,083
up to fishing
1488
01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:25,875
So that's going
1489
01:18:25,875 --> 01:18:26,500
to be a problem
1490
01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:27,791
But there's a big
1491
01:18:27,791 --> 01:18:29,125
focus on this in
1492
01:18:29,125 --> 01:18:29,541
the movie
1493
01:18:29,625 --> 01:18:30,458
They talk a lot
1494
01:18:30,458 --> 01:18:31,166
about how the
1495
01:18:31,166 --> 01:18:31,750
size of it's
1496
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:32,125
great and
1497
01:18:32,125 --> 01:18:32,541
everything is
1498
01:18:32,541 --> 01:18:33,083
doing well
1499
01:18:33,083 --> 01:18:33,458
And it's
1500
01:18:33,458 --> 01:18:34,125
increased catch
1501
01:18:34,125 --> 01:18:35,291
rates by 54
1502
01:18:35,291 --> 01:18:36,125
outside the
1503
01:18:36,125 --> 01:18:36,666
marine protected
1504
01:18:36,666 --> 01:18:37,375
area, which is
1505
01:18:37,375 --> 01:18:38,000
all wonderful
1506
01:18:38,375 --> 01:18:39,041
The one thing
1507
01:18:39,041 --> 01:18:39,625
though that we
1508
01:18:39,625 --> 01:18:40,333
should mention is
1509
01:18:40,333 --> 01:18:41,291
that in areas
1510
01:18:41,291 --> 01:18:41,666
where it's
1511
01:18:41,666 --> 01:18:42,041
overseas
1512
01:18:42,041 --> 01:18:42,916
territories such
1513
01:18:42,916 --> 01:18:43,708
as the
1514
01:18:43,708 --> 01:18:44,500
hawaii islands
1515
01:18:44,833 --> 01:18:45,416
I guess not
1516
01:18:45,416 --> 01:18:45,875
really territory
1517
01:18:45,875 --> 01:18:46,458
It's a state but
1518
01:18:46,458 --> 01:18:47,083
still like in
1519
01:18:47,083 --> 01:18:47,833
those areas where
1520
01:18:47,833 --> 01:18:47,958
it's
1521
01:18:47,958 --> 01:18:48,750
indigenous led
1522
01:18:48,916 --> 01:18:49,666
It's great to
1523
01:18:49,666 --> 01:18:49,875
have that
1524
01:18:49,875 --> 01:18:50,333
protection
1525
01:18:50,333 --> 01:18:50,500
because
1526
01:18:50,500 --> 01:18:51,125
especially with
1527
01:18:51,125 --> 01:18:51,958
indigenous led
1528
01:18:51,958 --> 01:18:52,500
marine protected
1529
01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:53,125
areas is usually
1530
01:18:53,125 --> 01:18:53,541
pretty good
1531
01:18:53,541 --> 01:18:54,291
because it's part
1532
01:18:54,291 --> 01:18:54,958
of their culture
1533
01:18:55,166 --> 01:18:56,416
However, a lot of
1534
01:18:56,416 --> 01:18:57,500
the bigger marine
1535
01:18:57,500 --> 01:18:58,166
protected areas
1536
01:18:58,166 --> 01:18:59,458
are in areas
1537
01:18:59,458 --> 01:19:00,291
where there's a
1538
01:19:00,291 --> 01:19:00,875
big indigenous
1539
01:19:00,875 --> 01:19:01,541
population
1540
01:19:01,708 --> 01:19:02,958
There's less in
1541
01:19:02,958 --> 01:19:03,916
the main
1542
01:19:03,916 --> 01:19:04,916
population the
1543
01:19:04,916 --> 01:19:05,500
non-indigenous
1544
01:19:05,500 --> 01:19:06,125
population
1545
01:19:06,125 --> 01:19:06,833
because it's
1546
01:19:06,833 --> 01:19:07,291
harder to do
1547
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:08,250
And it becomes
1548
01:19:08,250 --> 01:19:09,250
more conflicting
1549
01:19:09,250 --> 01:19:10,166
and we try to do
1550
01:19:10,166 --> 01:19:10,833
one of the sea
1551
01:19:10,833 --> 01:19:11,583
mountain canyons
1552
01:19:11,583 --> 01:19:12,083
in the us
1553
01:19:12,291 --> 01:19:12,833
Just off the
1554
01:19:12,833 --> 01:19:13,125
coast of
1555
01:19:13,125 --> 01:19:14,250
massachusetts. I
1556
01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:14,708
don't know if it
1557
01:19:14,708 --> 01:19:15,375
ever got brought
1558
01:19:15,375 --> 01:19:15,958
back, but now
1559
01:19:15,958 --> 01:19:16,458
that donald trump
1560
01:19:16,458 --> 01:19:17,041
is in power
1561
01:19:17,083 --> 01:19:17,875
I'm sure it was
1562
01:19:17,875 --> 01:19:18,333
an executive
1563
01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:19,000
order when it
1564
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:19,625
first came in
1565
01:19:19,625 --> 01:19:20,333
under the obama
1566
01:19:20,333 --> 01:19:20,625
administration.
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Donald trump
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took it away
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01:19:21,916 --> 01:19:22,666
I think biden
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01:19:22,666 --> 01:19:23,666
took it back. I'm
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01:19:23,666 --> 01:19:24,208
sure it's got
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01:19:24,208 --> 01:19:24,958
back stripped
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01:19:24,958 --> 01:19:25,541
down again
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01:19:25,791 --> 01:19:26,708
So these are big
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01:19:26,708 --> 01:19:27,250
problems that
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01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:27,958
happen not only
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01:19:27,958 --> 01:19:28,666
in the us but all
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01:19:28,666 --> 01:19:29,291
over the world
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01:19:29,375 --> 01:19:30,166
Mpa's are not
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01:19:30,166 --> 01:19:31,041
easy to designate
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01:19:31,041 --> 01:19:31,708
which you know,
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01:19:31,708 --> 01:19:32,500
the movie made it
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01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:33,208
sound like it
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01:19:33,208 --> 01:19:33,541
could be
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01:19:33,958 --> 01:19:34,708
It's not an easy
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01:19:34,708 --> 01:19:35,500
thing. It works
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01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:36,083
when it's done
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01:19:36,083 --> 01:19:36,833
properly and it's
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01:19:36,833 --> 01:19:37,541
enforced and it's
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01:19:37,541 --> 01:19:38,125
managed properly
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01:19:38,125 --> 01:19:39,083
But when it's not
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01:19:39,083 --> 01:19:39,666
or it takes a
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01:19:39,666 --> 01:19:40,541
long time to get
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01:19:40,541 --> 01:19:41,458
it approved, you
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01:19:41,458 --> 01:19:41,875
know destruction
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01:19:41,875 --> 01:19:42,333
continues
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01:19:42,333 --> 01:19:42,958
to happen
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01:19:42,958 --> 01:19:43,458
And there's
1599
01:19:43,458 --> 01:19:44,291
always you know
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01:19:44,291 --> 01:19:44,958
countries who are
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01:19:44,958 --> 01:19:45,416
wanting to
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01:19:45,416 --> 01:19:46,083
get on top
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01:19:46,291 --> 01:19:47,250
The papahana
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01:19:47,250 --> 01:19:48,291
makua kia got
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01:19:48,291 --> 01:19:49,125
opened up because
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01:19:49,125 --> 01:19:50,083
you know, the us
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01:19:50,083 --> 01:19:50,708
want to be number
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01:19:50,708 --> 01:19:51,000
one in the
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01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:51,291
pacific
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01:19:51,291 --> 01:19:51,750
for fishing
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01:19:52,583 --> 01:19:53,000
Pretty much that
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01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:53,791
was the reason so
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01:19:53,791 --> 01:19:54,291
that's a big
1614
01:19:54,291 --> 01:19:55,000
problem when you
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01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,000
talk about mpa's
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01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:56,333
and trying to
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01:19:56,333 --> 01:19:57,416
keep mpa's intact
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01:19:57,416 --> 01:19:58,208
and protected
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01:19:58,291 --> 01:19:59,333
So lots of stuff
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01:19:59,333 --> 01:20:00,250
going on great
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01:20:00,250 --> 01:20:01,166
message of hope
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01:20:01,166 --> 01:20:01,875
the fact is hey
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01:20:01,916 --> 01:20:02,458
You know what?
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01:20:02,458 --> 01:20:03,208
There's our ways
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01:20:03,208 --> 01:20:03,833
to do it. We just
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01:20:03,833 --> 01:20:04,666
have to do it
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01:20:04,666 --> 01:20:05,125
We just have to
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01:20:05,125 --> 01:20:05,625
actually go out
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01:20:05,625 --> 01:20:06,416
and execute and
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01:20:06,416 --> 01:20:06,791
put in more
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01:20:06,791 --> 01:20:07,416
marine protected
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01:20:07,416 --> 01:20:08,041
areas get up to
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01:20:08,041 --> 01:20:08,833
that 30 percent
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01:20:08,833 --> 01:20:09,500
Or as close as
1635
01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:10,458
possible by 2030
1636
01:20:10,458 --> 01:20:11,500
and just continue
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01:20:11,500 --> 01:20:12,625
to work at it and
1638
01:20:12,625 --> 01:20:13,416
work at it and
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01:20:13,416 --> 01:20:14,000
work at it
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01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,000
So I hope you
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01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:15,500
have a chance to
1642
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:16,208
go see it. I
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01:20:16,208 --> 01:20:16,666
don't know what's
1644
01:20:16,666 --> 01:20:17,000
going to happen
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01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:17,458
This was a
1646
01:20:17,458 --> 01:20:18,041
release it came
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01:20:18,041 --> 01:20:18,458
out a little
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01:20:18,458 --> 01:20:19,375
later in canada
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01:20:19,375 --> 01:20:20,125
than it did in
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01:20:20,125 --> 01:20:20,875
the uk when it
1651
01:20:20,875 --> 01:20:21,083
was first
1652
01:20:21,083 --> 01:20:21,541
released at the
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01:20:21,541 --> 01:20:22,083
Beginning of the
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01:20:22,083 --> 01:20:23,291
month in may but
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01:20:23,291 --> 01:20:23,833
I highly
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01:20:23,833 --> 01:20:24,375
recommend you go
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01:20:24,375 --> 01:20:25,000
get I hope they
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01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:25,416
put it out
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01:20:25,416 --> 01:20:26,125
on netflix
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01:20:26,208 --> 01:20:27,000
Or on some
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01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:27,583
streaming channel
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01:20:27,583 --> 01:20:27,833
that everybody
1663
01:20:27,833 --> 01:20:28,875
can get access to
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01:20:28,875 --> 01:20:29,250
because I think
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01:20:29,250 --> 01:20:29,958
it'll make a lot
1666
01:20:29,958 --> 01:20:30,500
more waves
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01:20:30,750 --> 01:20:31,708
No pun intended,
1668
01:20:31,708 --> 01:20:32,750
but I hope you
1669
01:20:32,750 --> 01:20:33,166
get to see if
1670
01:20:33,166 --> 01:20:33,791
you've seen it
1671
01:20:33,791 --> 01:20:34,291
and you want to
1672
01:20:34,291 --> 01:20:35,000
let me know what
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01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:35,125
you
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01:20:35,125 --> 01:20:35,625
thought about it
1675
01:20:35,708 --> 01:20:36,375
Please let me
1676
01:20:36,375 --> 01:20:37,000
know in the
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01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:37,625
comments down
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01:20:37,625 --> 01:20:38,000
below if you're
1679
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:38,500
watching this on
1680
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:39,375
youtube or you
1681
01:20:39,375 --> 01:20:40,166
can go to speakup
1682
01:20:40,166 --> 01:20:41,000
for blue.com
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01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:41,500
forward slash
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01:20:41,625 --> 01:20:42,708
Contact fill out
1685
01:20:42,708 --> 01:20:43,000
the form
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01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:43,500
Let me know what
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01:20:43,500 --> 01:20:44,125
you thought of
1688
01:20:44,125 --> 01:20:45,125
the movie or if
1689
01:20:45,125 --> 01:20:45,500
you're looking
1690
01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:46,125
forward to seeing
1691
01:20:46,125 --> 01:20:46,916
the movie and
1692
01:20:46,916 --> 01:20:47,166
then of course
1693
01:20:47,166 --> 01:20:47,750
you can always
1694
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:48,625
Hit me up on
1695
01:20:48,625 --> 01:20:49,708
instagram at how
1696
01:20:49,708 --> 01:20:50,125
to protect
1697
01:20:50,125 --> 01:20:50,541
the ocean
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01:20:50,541 --> 01:20:51,500
That's pat how to
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01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:52,166
protect the ocean
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01:20:52,166 --> 01:20:52,708
I want to thank
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01:20:52,708 --> 01:20:53,333
you so much for
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01:20:53,333 --> 01:20:53,708
joining me on
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01:20:53,708 --> 01:20:54,291
today's episode
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01:20:54,291 --> 01:20:54,833
of the how to
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01:20:54,833 --> 01:20:55,125
protect the
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01:20:55,125 --> 01:20:55,625
ocean podcast
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01:20:55,625 --> 01:20:56,291
Have a great day.
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01:20:56,291 --> 01:20:56,708
We'll talk to you
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01:20:56,708 --> 01:20:57,541
next time and
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01:20:57,541 --> 01:20:57,708
happy
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01:20:57,708 --> 01:20:58,125
conservation