Ontario Weakens Species Protections | Hawaii’s Climate Fee | Deep Sea Mining Clash | Frilled Shark Expansion

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What's up everybody? Welcome back to the

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how to protect the

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ocean podcast. Today, we're

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going to be talking about four different

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types of stories. You're

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going to talk about a policy

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change in my home province of Ontario. I

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know it's not surrounded

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by oceans, but we've got

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a little bit of that connection to the

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oceans. We're going to be

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talking about a new policy

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for tourists in Hawaii, a place that I

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just went to and I

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love. We're also going to be

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talking about an interesting shark that's

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popped up in Chile,

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expanding its range. And then finally

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to cap it off, we're going to be talking

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about how the international seabed

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authority has clapped

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back to the US in terms of talking about

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or even trying to do deep

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sea mining. All that on today's

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episode of the how to protect the ocean

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podcast. Let's start the show. Trying

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something new today.

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Welcome back to another exciting episode

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of the how to protect the

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ocean podcast. I'm your host,

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Andrew Lewin, and this is the podcast

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where you can find out how

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to pull the I mess it up. It's

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always messing me up. I'm just going to

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continue going. I'm going to start all

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over. Hey everybody,

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welcome back to another exciting episode

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of the how to protect the

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ocean podcast. I'm your host,

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Andrew Lewin. This is the podcast where

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you find out what's

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happening with the ocean, how you can

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speak up for the ocean and what you can

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do to live for a better

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ocean by taking action on today's

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episode. We're going to be trying

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something new. I am getting ready or

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practicing to go live. Now,

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this is something that I've been wanting

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to do for a long time. I

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even bought the software called

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Ecamm. It's a great software. It takes a

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little while to get used to and also

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doing stuff live. I'm

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used to recording this. You know, I went

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from just doing audio to now

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doing video podcasting and now

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doing live video that will eventually

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turn into the audio podcast

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every once in a while and adding

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some new stuff to the YouTube channel. So

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this is going to be all new. I'm just

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going to go in it and act like it's live.

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So if I make a mistake, I make a mistake.

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going to go straight into it. I'm going

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to try not to make any mistakes, but I

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can't promise anything. So we're going to

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get started with the show because this is

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something that's really special to me.

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This is something that I want to bring

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you more information to you. We've got

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four stories that I'm going to go through

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and I want to make sure that we're going

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through them nicely, but I'm going to

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going to take forever. So let's get to it

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today. We're going to be talking about

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four different things changing the

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endangered species act in the province of

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Ontario, my home province. I'm a little

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miffed about this. This is pissing me off

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quite a bit that we've seen this time and

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time again. I know the federal government

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in Canada tried to do this in the past. I

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know the state of Florida has done this

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in the past with manatees taking either

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species off early or not listing them in

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time and making sure that they're not

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taking sure and just basically degrading

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their habitat around them. We're going to

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talk all about that. We're also going to

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be talking about a new policy in Hawaii

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about tourism. There's a climate tax

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essentially that'll be interesting to see

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how that's going to go ahead. But we have

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a video from TikTok from a Chris a career

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who is talking about it because she's

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been working on that policy with her

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partners for about five years and it's

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finally going in. So congratulations to

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her. So we'll talk. We'll hear from her.

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We're also going to be talking about a

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new article that Melissa Marquez wrote

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for Forbes magazine talking about the

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frill shark how it's showing up in Chile

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and why that's important for its range.

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We're going to talk about that. And of

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course, the clap back. I say fights back

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the International seabed authority fights

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back on US deep sea mining and saying,

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hey, you know what? You may not actually

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be able to do this. So we're going to

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talk all about that. But first we're

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going to start it off changing the

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endangered species act. This is something

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where I just don't get it. It's just one

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of those things where it happens every

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time there's a conservative government.

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it's it. They want to take an act that

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stops or slows down economic growth and

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There's a lot of things that are going on

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narwhal.ca. It looks at how Ontario is

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killing this endangered species act.

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Here's what you need to know and it gives

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you a whole thing. And I'm going to I'm

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interesting because they kind

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of snuck it in. It's Bill five.

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it easier to build minds. It's going to

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make it easier to build infrastructure

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like a highway for 13. And the reason why

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they're doing this is because they want

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to build in green space and actually a

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green zone that's been designated north

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of Toronto called the green belt. And

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that's been an important part of

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preserving a lot of the ecosystem

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activity that happens in wetlands around

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Toronto, just north of Toronto and

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through Toronto. You gotta remember

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systems. A lot of times it's actually

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it's actually buried its rivers as it

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gets closer to the lake causing a lot of

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problems in terms of ecosystem function.

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this. They said you know what north of

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Toronto we really have to start

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protecting us. We're going to have this

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green belt. It's a zone that you can't

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build in. Well, that's what we thought.

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and build it and try and put another

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highway because if you live in Toronto or

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you're near Toronto, you see the 401

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which is the major highway

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that goes through Toronto.

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downtown Toronto. It's always busy.

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all the highways have it. So they said,

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you know what? We're going to build

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another one, even though they have one

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for seven. It's a toll highway that not

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many people want to pay for. So it's

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always open. It's very rarely that you

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get you get traffic and then but now

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nobody wants to pay for it because it's

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expensive. So people are like, okay,

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let's you know, governments like let's

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make it for 13 north of the city to have

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a lot of people go through.

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been a lot of scandal around it and now

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they're trying to make it easier for them

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to develop by taking away a lot of the

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things that will slow them down in terms

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of regulations. It'll just slow them down

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to do that. And one of that is the

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endangered species act. These are species

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that have seen a like a very fast decline

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in their population and they, you know,

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they need specialized things. So they

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need like to protect their homes.

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They protect where they sleep to protect

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where they eat to protect their habitat

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that they actually use and also have

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recovery plan. So I actually have a plan

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for each of these species and each of the

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populations and each of the areas where

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they occur to make sure that they start

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to grow in numbers for that population.

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the species at risk or the endangered

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species act. The there's a federal

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species at risk act and that will also

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protect it. But it's protect different

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species at different levels. And of

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course, province and

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federal government have different

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jurisdictions. So there have to have a

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different act like an endangered species

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act or species at risk act. So this is a

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really interesting thing because here are

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the changes to the acts. They want to

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repeal. So essentially they're going to

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repeal the endangered species act and

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replace it with a species conservation

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act. Now the shift of focus is from

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recovery and stewardship to a balance

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between conservation and economic

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development. Now that sounds

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normal. That sounds like actually that's

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not that bad. You want to balance, you

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know, the species protection with

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economic development. The problem is, is

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that's not how it works. So they want to

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redefine under the species conservation

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act what habitat means. So they're

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actually narrowing it down. So

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previously, habitat encompassed areas

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essential for species life processes,

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which, which, you know, such as like

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feeding, breeding and migration, just

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like I mentioned earlier. So the new

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definition limits habitat

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specifically to the dwelling places like

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dens or nests. So this is usually online.

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about quite species in a bit. So it's

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potentially excluding critical areas used

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for forging and migration. This is a

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really, I feel like it's a political way

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of looking at how we're defining

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protecting species, especially endangered

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species. We are just saying, you know,

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wherever they live, wherever they sleep,

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that's what we're going to protect. But

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we're not going to protect their

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food sources. We're not going to protect

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where they have to migrate if they have

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to migrate over a certain period of time

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or during certain seasons, we're just

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going to protect where they sleep. And

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that's it. And hopefully, that will work

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out. This tells me that they just do not

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care about these species. There's also a

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shift in permits to registration. So the

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current endangered species act requires

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permits for activities that might harm

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species at risk, or their habitats that

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the specific permits and those are

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really, really hard to get. But under the

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new act, the species conservation act,

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there's a registration first approach

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allowing proponents to proceed with

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activities after registering them online.

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So without a prior environmental review.

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development. So development of houses or

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are like highways or infrastructure, but

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raises concerns about reduced oversight.

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So essentially, they just have to say,

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I'm going to do this in this area. And

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they're going to say, yeah, okay, you get

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pre approved because you've already

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planned to do this. It does not make

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sense to protect

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these endangered species.

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Then, of course, there's these the

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government discretion over a species

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listing. So while the committee on the

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status of species at risk in Ontario,

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Cassaro will continue to assess species,

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the final decision to list or deal a

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species under the CSA, which is a species

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conservation act is rest with the

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provincial government. So the provincial

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government decides, you know what, we're

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actually not going to worry about that

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because we really want this highway to go

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through. So these salamanders that are in

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the green belt, we're not going to worry about them.

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We're going to just worry about we want

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this highway to go through because you

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know what with the scandal that they had

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my buddy over here is going to stand to

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make about $2 billion from this housing

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project in the highways and all this kind

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of stuff. And I want him to him or her to

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benefit. And that's really what's going

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to happen. So he allows more political

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scandals to happen and less species at

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risk protection. We're also going to

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eliminate recovery of strategy. So

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remember, I said that, you know, in the

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endangered species act, you have a

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recovery plan, which is really going to be really important. And you can go through that with us. But we're going to look at the, you know, healthcare there's a kind of a business plan in there. And we're going to look at, if you'll like, with us, it's going to be a business plan. And we're going to look at the, you know, a lot of the, what we're going to do next. It's going to be a business plan. A lot

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important to have a recovery plan to make

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sure that we know how

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to monitor the species,

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how to put it all together, and all of a

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sudden now we're not

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going to have a recovery plan.

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That's just the way we're going to do it.

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We're just not going to have this

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recovery plan to aid the

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recovery of the threatened

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species.

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It just makes no sense whatsoever.

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There's exemptions for

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federally protected species.

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So species already protected under the

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federal legislation, such as

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migratory birds and aquatic

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species would be excluded

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from the CSA's provisions.

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This aims to reduce regulatory

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duplication, but may leave gaps in

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protection on provincial

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lands.

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So in other words, if there is a species

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at risk that's

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registered with the federal

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species at risk, but not in the

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Endangered Species Act,

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this province isn't going to

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worry about it.

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Ontario's not going to worry about it.

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But when it's on provincial lands, they

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have to worry about it and

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they may just get overlooked.

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So that's something

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that they worry about.

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So the creation of special economic

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zones, this is going to

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be an interesting one.

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Bill five, which is the bill that's going

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to change all this,

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introduces the Special

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Economic Zone Act of 2025, allowing the

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government to designate

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areas where certain provincial

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regulations, including environmental

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protections, may not apply.

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This could facilitate development

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projects, but raises

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concerns about the protection or

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the potential bypassing of

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environmental safeguards.

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In other words, if the government wants a

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particular area to be developed, they're

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going to get it developed because they're

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just want it to be developed.

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They don't care what

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species at risk are there.

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They're not going to care.

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And this is the problem.

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Here are the implications.

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So environmental organizations, we have

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the Environmental

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Defense Fund, we have the David

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Suzuki Foundation.

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We have pretty much everything that you

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can say, any type of protection.

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So Wildlife Conservation Society, we have

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all these different places that different

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organizations that are hating this bill.

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They are saying this is not good at all.

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Eco justice as well.

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Ontario Nature as well.

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They've expressed strong opposition,

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arguing that it

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undermines species conservation or

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species protection and prioritizes

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economic development over

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ecological sustainability.

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Critics highlight that the bill could

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lead to increased habitat

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destruction and a decline

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in biodiversity.

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So now here's the thing is the public has

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the opportunity to

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provide feedback to the

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proposed changes through the

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environmental registry of

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Ontario until May 17th, 2025.

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So whether you live in Ontario or you do

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not live in Ontario,

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if you do not want to

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see species at risk decline even more,

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this is your chance to say something.

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I'm going to put a link into the, uh,

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like a, there's an

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environmental registry listing

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for the law.

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So you can do that and

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you can have your say.

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And there's some, if you look at this,

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uh, this org, this

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organization, there's a lot

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of organization.

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I'm going to put a link to it where you

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can actually find out

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what you can do and what

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you can say to your MPP or your ministry

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of, uh, your was it

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ministry of provincial

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parliament.

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You can actually say, Hey, you know what?

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I don't like this at all.

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I think this is awful.

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You have like, they have to listen, they

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have to listen to you.

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And so the more people

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speak up, the better it is.

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So there are organizations like

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environmental defense fund,

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um, or yeah, the environmental

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defense Alliance, I

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think, or whatever it's called.

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They are trying to get people to speak up

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and this is your

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chance to speak up not only

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for the ocean, but this is

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just for Ontario as well.

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And for the great lakes and for anything

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that is around in and

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around Ontario, this

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is going to be really important.

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Okay.

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So this is, this is something that we

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have to, we have to really worry about.

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Um, the big thing to do, like when you,

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when you actually speak

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out against it is to demand

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retention of the endangered species act.

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The one that was, that was put into place

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in 2007, it was actually one of the, like

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the world renowned, uh,

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endangered species acts.

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So this is something

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that's really important.

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So really under like emphasize that the

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endangered species act, scientific

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foundations and mandatory

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recovery strategies are critical for

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effective conservation.

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You can highlight concerns

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about habitat redefinition.

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The fact that, look, arguing the

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narrowing of the definition

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of habitat to just the dens,

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uh, where we'll leave, you know,

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essential feeding, breeding

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and migratory areas unprotected.

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You can cite how this change weakens real

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world protections of

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real world protections

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of the ground on the ground.

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Um, and so, you know, also you can object

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to the deregulation

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via registration first

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approach, which I talked about.

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We can reject politicization of species

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listings, which is

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basically saying, look, if there's

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a species that's in trouble and it's been

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highlighted as being

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in trouble and should

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be listed or considered listed under the

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endangered species act,

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politicians may like, yeah, but

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we really want to develop in that area.

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So we don't really

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care about the species.

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That's going to really delay the process.

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Um, and that's, that's,

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that's going to be a real problem.

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Now I wanted to know, I did a little bit

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of in for, uh, of research on what has

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happened in the past,

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like real world, you know, things of

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weakening in the endangered species act.

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The United States actually weakened the U

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S endangered species

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act under, guess what?

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The Trump era rollbacks in 2019, the U S

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government rolled back key

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provisions of the S A, including

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allowing economic factors

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and decisions to list species.

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Have you noticed a pattern here?

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Economic factors is a huge thing in, uh,

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when we make these changes to the

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endangered species acts, uh, they also

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made it harder to designate critical

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habitat and they removed automatic

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protections for newly

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listed threatened species.

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So this is, that's not a good thing.

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The impact was it led to the delays and

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listing of several declining species,

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such as the Wolverine and the great sage

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grouse, despite a strong scientific

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evidence showing that

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they should be listed.

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Also habitat development projects like

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pipelines mining proceeded in areas

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formerly under stronger federal

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protection, especially in Western states

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like Alaska and Utah.

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So that was one of the examples and also

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Ontario did some amendments in 2019 to

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the endangered species act under bill

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108, the Ford government, which is the

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same government previously weakened the

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endangered species act, um, by allowing

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developers to pay into a fund instead of

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protecting species on site.

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So essentially you can destroy an area, a

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habitat, but you had to pay into a fund

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that may have gone into something that

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was a different project.

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That's a normal thing or

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that's not a normal thing.

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That's something that's happened before

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with species at risk or

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even just fish habitat.

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When we look at federal regulations, they

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also let the cabinet delay protections of

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newly listed species.

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Again, have you seen the, the, uh, the

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pattern here and then they reduced the

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independence of the cassera, which is

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scientific committee, uh, that

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designates these, uh, species.

546
00:16:45,125 --> 00:16:47,083
So according to Ontario nature species,

547
00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:49,041
like the woodland caribou and bats at

548
00:16:49,041 --> 00:16:51,541
risk of extinction saw little meaningful

549
00:16:51,541 --> 00:16:53,958
protection and the offsetting fund has

550
00:16:53,958 --> 00:16:56,708
been criticized for lacking transparency,

551
00:16:56,708 --> 00:16:58,833
surprise, surprise and effectiveness in

552
00:16:58,833 --> 00:17:00,541
achieving conservation outcomes.

553
00:17:00,875 --> 00:17:01,875
This also happened in

554
00:17:01,875 --> 00:17:03,250
Australia and a lot of other places.

555
00:17:03,291 --> 00:17:05,208
And so the common themes and delaying the

556
00:17:05,208 --> 00:17:07,458
protections, weakening deaf habitat

557
00:17:07,458 --> 00:17:10,083
definitions and scientific being

558
00:17:10,083 --> 00:17:11,625
basically science being sidelined, which

559
00:17:11,625 --> 00:17:14,041
is a lot of times happening when we talk

560
00:17:14,041 --> 00:17:16,916
about, uh, you know, taking away a

561
00:17:16,916 --> 00:17:18,833
rolling back environmental protections

562
00:17:18,833 --> 00:17:22,500
for, uh, for basically increasing the,

563
00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:24,583
the potential of development, the

564
00:17:24,583 --> 00:17:27,291
potential for building the economy and,

565
00:17:27,291 --> 00:17:28,833
and, and now in Canada and Ontario,

566
00:17:28,833 --> 00:17:32,041
especially we have seen a big focus and a

567
00:17:32,041 --> 00:17:33,125
big shift on environmental protection.

568
00:17:33,291 --> 00:17:35,583
Um, you know, being independent, growing

569
00:17:35,583 --> 00:17:36,666
our economy and how

570
00:17:36,666 --> 00:17:37,708
do we grow our economy?

571
00:17:38,041 --> 00:17:40,833
We develop and we build and we expand and

572
00:17:40,833 --> 00:17:41,708
all this kind of stuff.

573
00:17:41,708 --> 00:17:42,500
And unfortunately, this is

574
00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:43,458
what I was worried about.

575
00:17:43,875 --> 00:17:45,916
Um, you know, it's all happened.

576
00:17:45,916 --> 00:17:48,291
It has to happen at the consequence of

577
00:17:48,291 --> 00:17:49,916
environment basically,

578
00:17:50,250 --> 00:17:51,333
which, which really sucks.

579
00:17:51,333 --> 00:17:53,500
In this case, it's endangered species and

580
00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:54,416
their habitat, their

581
00:17:54,416 --> 00:17:56,458
critical habitat, if you will.

582
00:17:56,625 --> 00:17:58,833
So that is the story for this just

583
00:17:58,833 --> 00:18:00,166
getting started on here.

584
00:18:00,166 --> 00:18:01,375
I know we're taking a little bit longer.

585
00:18:01,458 --> 00:18:01,875
This is going to be a

586
00:18:01,875 --> 00:18:03,666
longer episode, but that's okay.

587
00:18:04,125 --> 00:18:05,666
Let's get into the next episode.

588
00:18:06,166 --> 00:18:07,708
Now this is something or the next story.

589
00:18:07,708 --> 00:18:09,583
Now this is something that is interesting

590
00:18:09,583 --> 00:18:11,250
because, um, we're

591
00:18:11,250 --> 00:18:12,375
going to be talking about

592
00:18:12,375 --> 00:18:14,250
a new policy, actually a good policy

593
00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:15,791
that's going into Hawaii.

594
00:18:16,375 --> 00:18:18,208
It's got a video it's on TikTok is from

595
00:18:18,208 --> 00:18:20,166
Chris or Cabara friend of the podcast.

596
00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:21,208
She's been on the podcast before.

597
00:18:21,208 --> 00:18:22,583
She has an organization called future

598
00:18:22,583 --> 00:18:24,166
swell where she partners

599
00:18:24,166 --> 00:18:26,041
with different people to

600
00:18:26,041 --> 00:18:28,166
talk, uh, to do conservation, whether it

601
00:18:28,166 --> 00:18:29,000
be coral restoration

602
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,291
within Hawaii, whether

603
00:18:30,458 --> 00:18:32,166
it be talking about or creating

604
00:18:32,166 --> 00:18:34,583
storytelling opportunities for their

605
00:18:34,583 --> 00:18:35,791
partners or even doing

606
00:18:35,791 --> 00:18:38,250
storytelling for certain projects.

607
00:18:38,250 --> 00:18:39,541
It's a great organization.

608
00:18:39,541 --> 00:18:40,000
Future swell.

609
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:40,666
Check that out.

610
00:18:41,041 --> 00:18:43,208
Um, but also here is, I'm just going to

611
00:18:43,208 --> 00:18:44,708
hit up the scene here.

612
00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:46,875
We're going to be talking about what is

613
00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:48,750
important and why it's been

614
00:18:48,750 --> 00:18:50,500
important to Carissa to get

615
00:18:50,583 --> 00:18:50,833
this.

616
00:18:50,833 --> 00:18:51,916
And we're going to be, she talks a little

617
00:18:51,916 --> 00:18:53,125
bit about it, uh,

618
00:18:53,125 --> 00:18:54,083
more about the completion

619
00:18:54,083 --> 00:18:55,208
of five years of work.

620
00:18:55,208 --> 00:18:56,208
So give me a sec here.

621
00:18:56,208 --> 00:18:58,166
I'm going to cue it up and take a listen.

622
00:18:58,166 --> 00:18:59,125
Hopefully you can hear this.

623
00:18:59,500 --> 00:19:01,125
No fricking idea how

624
00:19:01,125 --> 00:19:02,500
good it feels to do this.

625
00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:06,208
This is my 2025 impact calendar.

626
00:19:09,083 --> 00:19:13,250
Pass transformational policy.

627
00:19:16,666 --> 00:19:17,625
You have no fricking

628
00:19:17,625 --> 00:19:19,500
idea how good it feels.

629
00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:21,583
So I'm just going to, I'm

630
00:19:21,583 --> 00:19:22,416
just going to pause it here.

631
00:19:22,625 --> 00:19:24,916
So she doesn't tell a lot about it.

632
00:19:24,916 --> 00:19:26,291
She goes into a little

633
00:19:26,291 --> 00:19:27,416
bit more detail here.

634
00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:30,041
I think she's enjoying the fact that

635
00:19:30,041 --> 00:19:31,916
she's been able to do it.

636
00:19:32,166 --> 00:19:32,875
Um, delusion.

637
00:19:32,875 --> 00:19:38,416
A nice, a nice trend on

638
00:19:38,416 --> 00:19:40,916
TikTok using, using a sound.

639
00:19:41,208 --> 00:19:43,166
I love Chris's video is really great, but

640
00:19:43,166 --> 00:19:43,958
she basically, you

641
00:19:43,958 --> 00:19:44,625
know, is proud of herself

642
00:19:44,625 --> 00:19:46,916
of working with partners for just past

643
00:19:46,916 --> 00:19:47,666
landmark climate

644
00:19:47,666 --> 00:19:49,958
legislation and first visitor, visitor

645
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,291
green fee in the nation

646
00:19:51,291 --> 00:19:53,083
after five years of organizing.

647
00:19:53,083 --> 00:19:54,500
So essentially she goes into a little bit

648
00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:55,458
more detail here

649
00:19:55,458 --> 00:19:57,666
where she said, uh, oh no,

650
00:19:57,666 --> 00:19:59,916
sorry, it goes, go back to the other, uh,

651
00:19:59,916 --> 00:20:00,500
Andrew, go back to

652
00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:01,375
the other video and just

653
00:20:01,375 --> 00:20:01,958
going to pause it.

654
00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:05,666
Uh, so basically, uh, it says here, so

655
00:20:05,666 --> 00:20:06,500
for every tourist in

656
00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:08,333
Hawaii to Hawaii who books

657
00:20:08,333 --> 00:20:11,583
a $400 hotel room per night, $3 of that

658
00:20:11,583 --> 00:20:12,833
will go to climate solutions.

659
00:20:12,833 --> 00:20:14,708
Still a small portion, but $3 of that

660
00:20:14,708 --> 00:20:15,541
will go to common decision.

661
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:16,500
Doesn't look like

662
00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:18,333
it's a tax on top of it.

663
00:20:18,333 --> 00:20:19,458
Um, but it does look like

664
00:20:19,458 --> 00:20:20,291
it's going to be included.

665
00:20:20,375 --> 00:20:21,666
We'll go towards climate solutions

666
00:20:21,666 --> 00:20:23,208
because of our tourism

667
00:20:23,208 --> 00:20:24,750
industry that adds up to a hundred

668
00:20:24,750 --> 00:20:25,500
million dollars a

669
00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:27,875
year for climate forever.

670
00:20:28,416 --> 00:20:30,000
So this is a policy that's really

671
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,583
important for Hawaii.

672
00:20:31,583 --> 00:20:33,000
If you think about it, there's so many

673
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:33,791
people that traveled to

674
00:20:33,791 --> 00:20:35,833
a place like Hawaii for a

675
00:20:35,833 --> 00:20:36,958
lot of different reasons.

676
00:20:37,166 --> 00:20:38,708
Hawaii is a gorgeous place.

677
00:20:39,208 --> 00:20:40,833
Uh, I just visited a couple of, but a

678
00:20:40,833 --> 00:20:41,791
couple of months ago now

679
00:20:41,791 --> 00:20:42,875
feels like it was forever

680
00:20:42,916 --> 00:20:45,583
ago on the Island of Hawaii, Oahu, where

681
00:20:45,583 --> 00:20:47,000
Carissa lives and it's

682
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:47,833
beautiful, but you've

683
00:20:47,875 --> 00:20:49,375
got to think about, you know, the travel

684
00:20:49,375 --> 00:20:50,833
there, the amount of planes that go

685
00:20:50,833 --> 00:20:52,125
there, the amount of boats, the amount of

686
00:20:52,125 --> 00:20:54,541
gas that's being used, uh, the amount of

687
00:20:54,541 --> 00:20:57,250
people that are just going in there and

688
00:20:57,250 --> 00:20:59,541
be honest, like kind of ruining some of

689
00:20:59,541 --> 00:21:01,416
the essence of the culture and the

690
00:21:01,416 --> 00:21:04,250
environment as they are just being there.

691
00:21:04,250 --> 00:21:07,166
And you need to have somewhere or a pot

692
00:21:07,166 --> 00:21:09,666
of money and funds to be able to, uh,

693
00:21:09,666 --> 00:21:12,041
help and make sure that the corals are in

694
00:21:12,041 --> 00:21:13,375
good shape, make sure that there's no

695
00:21:13,375 --> 00:21:15,000
cumulative effect, like development,

696
00:21:15,208 --> 00:21:16,500
tourism in terms of

697
00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:17,833
people like hitting the coral.

698
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,875
So, yeah, I think that's a really good question.

699
00:21:19,875 --> 00:21:23,000
I think that's a really good question. I think that's a really good question. You know, there's a lot of people that

700
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:23,500
don't know that they're not allowed to

701
00:21:23,500 --> 00:21:24,458
wear a certain sunscreen.

702
00:21:24,458 --> 00:21:25,250
And you know, I mean, I think it's really good to have a person who's

703
00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:26,250
wearing a certain sunscreen.

704
00:21:26,583 --> 00:21:28,041
You know, if you're wearing a bad

705
00:21:28,041 --> 00:21:29,708
sunscreen, you can kill the corals or you

706
00:21:29,708 --> 00:21:31,000
can damage the corals further.

707
00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:34,791
So, uh, having a fun that helps restore

708
00:21:34,791 --> 00:21:36,458
not only the marine environment, but the

709
00:21:36,458 --> 00:21:38,625
land environment for the people of Hawaii

710
00:21:38,625 --> 00:21:40,125
who are inviting people to come.

711
00:21:40,458 --> 00:21:41,333
They're not saying that they don't want

712
00:21:41,333 --> 00:21:42,708
people to come or most of

713
00:21:42,708 --> 00:21:44,166
them don't want people to come.

714
00:21:44,166 --> 00:21:46,666
But you know, there's a, there's a cost

715
00:21:46,666 --> 00:21:48,291
at that and that's to the environment

716
00:21:48,291 --> 00:21:49,625
which they live in and

717
00:21:49,625 --> 00:21:51,583
survive off of and they need.

718
00:21:51,875 --> 00:21:54,666
And so having this, this, this fund or

719
00:21:54,666 --> 00:21:58,000
this climate solutions cost will be

720
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,083
really important for the island of

721
00:22:00,083 --> 00:22:01,875
Hawaii, the islands of Hawaii.

722
00:22:01,875 --> 00:22:03,125
And I think that's, that's a, that's

723
00:22:03,125 --> 00:22:05,125
something that I feel is going to be,

724
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:06,458
we're going to see that

725
00:22:06,458 --> 00:22:08,458
more and more locally.

726
00:22:08,625 --> 00:22:10,166
Niagara Falls is a huge tourist spot.

727
00:22:10,208 --> 00:22:12,625
They actually have a tourist tax and not

728
00:22:12,625 --> 00:22:13,666
a lot of people like to

729
00:22:13,666 --> 00:22:15,375
pay it, but we pay it.

730
00:22:15,541 --> 00:22:17,208
And because they need to, you know,

731
00:22:17,458 --> 00:22:19,583
revitalize Niagara Falls, they need to

732
00:22:19,583 --> 00:22:21,875
make sure that it's, they can continue

733
00:22:21,875 --> 00:22:24,333
to, um, you know, basically the tourists

734
00:22:24,333 --> 00:22:26,291
who enjoy it will have to pay for it.

735
00:22:26,291 --> 00:22:27,833
So that enjoyment and pay for that

736
00:22:27,833 --> 00:22:30,000
revitalization, pay for restoration and

737
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,333
all that kind of stuff and making sure

738
00:22:31,333 --> 00:22:32,458
that it's protected.

739
00:22:32,458 --> 00:22:34,375
So that it was a quick, I just wanted to

740
00:22:34,375 --> 00:22:35,583
go through that because that's a quick

741
00:22:35,583 --> 00:22:36,875
thing because I think it's really

742
00:22:36,875 --> 00:22:38,166
important that we, we look at that.

743
00:22:38,208 --> 00:22:40,541
Now let's go to the next thing. And this

744
00:22:40,541 --> 00:22:42,208
is just, I'm going to go quickly over

745
00:22:42,208 --> 00:22:44,083
this because I don't want to do too long

746
00:22:44,083 --> 00:22:45,750
of an episode, but frill shark.

747
00:22:46,166 --> 00:22:48,416
This I saw today as I was looking at it

748
00:22:48,416 --> 00:22:50,583
and I think it's something that's of

749
00:22:50,583 --> 00:22:52,625
interest because Melissa Marquez, a good

750
00:22:52,625 --> 00:22:56,000
friend of mine, she is a contributor for

751
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,708
Forbes magazine among that.

752
00:22:57,708 --> 00:23:00,291
She's an author. She's a social media

753
00:23:00,291 --> 00:23:02,291
influencer. She's been on shark week, a

754
00:23:02,291 --> 00:23:03,166
TV personality, national geographic.

755
00:23:03,166 --> 00:23:06,375
She's done a lot of things, even taking a

756
00:23:06,375 --> 00:23:08,583
bite from a crocodile on the leg. I've

757
00:23:08,583 --> 00:23:09,833
told that story a number of times.

758
00:23:10,333 --> 00:23:11,291
I still can't believe that actually

759
00:23:11,291 --> 00:23:13,250
happened. However, we are going to be

760
00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:14,583
talking about something

761
00:23:14,583 --> 00:23:15,833
that's really important here.

762
00:23:15,833 --> 00:23:18,000
A bit of a discovery really, uh, the

763
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,750
first male frilled shark found in Chilean

764
00:23:20,750 --> 00:23:22,500
waters. This is kind of a cool.

765
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:24,125
So you can read it here. I'll put the

766
00:23:24,125 --> 00:23:26,708
link in the show notes. Um, but it just

767
00:23:26,708 --> 00:23:28,916
basically says, you know, the, this,

768
00:23:28,916 --> 00:23:30,041
this, this frilled shark

769
00:23:30,041 --> 00:23:31,166
was first described in 1884.

770
00:23:31,208 --> 00:23:33,166
Uh, it's one of the deepest sea

771
00:23:33,166 --> 00:23:35,833
creatures. Uh, it looks like a, a, a,

772
00:23:35,833 --> 00:23:37,500
like it swam straight out of prehistoric

773
00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:39,500
times. It says here. And, and to be

774
00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:41,083
honest, it, it scares a lot

775
00:23:41,083 --> 00:23:42,208
of people when they see it.

776
00:23:42,208 --> 00:23:44,125
It's, it's a very long shark. It almost

777
00:23:44,125 --> 00:23:46,833
looks like a big snake. Um, it's got like

778
00:23:46,833 --> 00:23:48,458
these white eyes, which is kind of

779
00:23:48,458 --> 00:23:50,666
interesting. Um, and it's got, you can

780
00:23:50,666 --> 00:23:52,833
really see the frilled gills here. And I

781
00:23:52,833 --> 00:23:54,250
think it's a, it's a really interesting

782
00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:57,041
species, but they haven't been seen many,

783
00:23:57,041 --> 00:23:58,791
uh, despite wide, but scattered

784
00:23:58,791 --> 00:23:59,500
distribution, the

785
00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:00,166
Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

786
00:24:00,208 --> 00:24:02,916
Very few frilled sharks have ever been

787
00:24:02,916 --> 00:24:04,833
observed or collected fewer than 40

788
00:24:04,833 --> 00:24:06,958
specimens actually have been documented

789
00:24:06,958 --> 00:24:08,875
since it is for, it was first described

790
00:24:08,875 --> 00:24:10,583
making each new find

791
00:24:10,583 --> 00:24:11,875
scientifically valuable.

792
00:24:12,333 --> 00:24:13,500
So in a recent study, researchers

793
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:16,791
reported a rare discovery, a male frilled

794
00:24:16,791 --> 00:24:19,541
shark caught off Chilo island is in

795
00:24:19,541 --> 00:24:21,958
Southern Chile. Uh, not only is it the

796
00:24:21,958 --> 00:24:24,125
first time first confirmed male of the

797
00:24:24,125 --> 00:24:25,166
species recorded in Chilean waters.

798
00:24:25,166 --> 00:24:28,166
It also extends the known range of the

799
00:24:28,166 --> 00:24:30,375
frilled shark in the South, the Southeast

800
00:24:30,375 --> 00:24:33,541
Pacific by roughly 530 miles. So 850

801
00:24:33,541 --> 00:24:35,916
kilometers, uh, southward. So that's

802
00:24:35,916 --> 00:24:38,458
really cool. Um, and so this is just, it

803
00:24:38,458 --> 00:24:40,166
goes on to talk about, you know, some of the, the, the depth.

804
00:24:40,208 --> 00:24:43,708
So it was actually at a depth of about

805
00:24:43,708 --> 00:24:46,916
500 meters. Um, so that's 1640 feet for

806
00:24:46,916 --> 00:24:49,791
my American friends. Um, and so it, it,

807
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,583
they were caught in 2015. They were

808
00:24:51,583 --> 00:24:53,166
actually granted access to look at in

809
00:24:53,166 --> 00:24:56,291
2023. Hence why it's taken so long to

810
00:24:56,291 --> 00:24:58,833
publish on it. Um, in total 48 body

811
00:24:58,833 --> 00:25:00,458
measures were taken to compare this male

812
00:25:00,458 --> 00:25:02,125
to the previously known female specimen

813
00:25:02,125 --> 00:25:03,833
that was collected as well as filled

814
00:25:03,833 --> 00:25:05,416
sharks documented in other parts of the

815
00:25:05,416 --> 00:25:07,000
world. Now, so there's been a couple of

816
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,125
different things. So the two Chilean species shared no significant morphological

817
00:25:08,166 --> 00:25:13,000
features, but the researchers did find

818
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,916
some anatomical variation when comparing

819
00:25:16,916 --> 00:25:19,166
to them to specimens from other regions.

820
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,041
So they noticed that the Chilean sharks

821
00:25:21,041 --> 00:25:23,666
had longer heads and smaller pelvic fins

822
00:25:23,666 --> 00:25:25,916
relative to their total body length.

823
00:25:26,333 --> 00:25:27,958
These differences fall within known range

824
00:25:27,958 --> 00:25:29,416
of variation of the species, but could

825
00:25:29,416 --> 00:25:31,208
also be influenced by the sexual

826
00:25:31,208 --> 00:25:33,875
dimorphism or the preservation method. So

827
00:25:33,875 --> 00:25:35,916
essentially the sexual dimorphism is that

828
00:25:35,916 --> 00:25:37,125
males are different size than females. This has been a very interesting process.

829
00:25:37,125 --> 00:25:38,875
And females, this happens in a lot of

830
00:25:38,875 --> 00:25:41,000
fish in the ocean. So in males, for

831
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,791
example, the pelvic fins can be

832
00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:44,541
proportionally larger than the females,

833
00:25:44,541 --> 00:25:46,458
but still the sample size is too small to

834
00:25:46,458 --> 00:25:48,458
really draw any, any firm conclusions.

835
00:25:48,958 --> 00:25:50,541
And the research team noted that further

836
00:25:50,541 --> 00:25:52,333
studies would be needed and more

837
00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:53,541
specimens would be needed to determine

838
00:25:53,541 --> 00:25:55,500
whether these differences are typical of

839
00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:57,625
the regions filled shark population. Now,

840
00:25:57,708 --> 00:25:58,875
what's interesting too is that when you

841
00:25:58,875 --> 00:26:01,958
have such a length and in the geography,

842
00:26:01,958 --> 00:26:03,458
like a difference in geography of where

843
00:26:03,458 --> 00:26:05,541
these are collected and maybe even just a

844
00:26:05,541 --> 00:26:06,125
difference in the morphology.

845
00:26:06,125 --> 00:26:09,000
If there are enough species to tell maybe

846
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,041
this becomes two different species, we

847
00:26:11,041 --> 00:26:13,750
don't know. We can't even tell right now,

848
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:15,750
this is a complete assumption, a complete

849
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:16,833
guess, but that'd be something that I

850
00:26:16,833 --> 00:26:19,416
would be interested in seeing what's

851
00:26:19,416 --> 00:26:20,541
going to happen. But they need more

852
00:26:20,541 --> 00:26:22,333
specimens. I just thought this was kind

853
00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:23,833
of cool because it always makes the news.

854
00:26:23,875 --> 00:26:26,416
If there's a video of a frilled shark, it

855
00:26:26,416 --> 00:26:30,375
always does well on the internet. If you

856
00:26:30,375 --> 00:26:32,083
look at this, it looks really weird. A

857
00:26:32,083 --> 00:26:33,833
lot of people call it a monster. It's in

858
00:26:33,833 --> 00:26:35,125
the deep sea. It doesn't come up often when it does come up usually.

859
00:26:35,125 --> 00:26:39,291
It's not alive and that's just the way it

860
00:26:39,291 --> 00:26:40,791
goes. But I thought it was interesting. I

861
00:26:40,791 --> 00:26:42,041
thought I want to share that with you.

862
00:26:42,583 --> 00:26:44,000
Hope you enjoy it. I'd love to hear your

863
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,833
thoughts. Let me know in the comments

864
00:26:45,833 --> 00:26:48,791
below. But let's get back to the rest of

865
00:26:48,791 --> 00:26:51,250
the show. So here we go. We're looking,

866
00:26:51,583 --> 00:26:54,166
you know, I covered this on Wednesday's

867
00:26:54,166 --> 00:26:57,333
episode where I talked to Dr. Andrew

868
00:26:57,333 --> 00:26:58,833
Thaler. We talked about the International

869
00:26:58,833 --> 00:27:00,125
Seabed Authority and how the metal company, which is a Canadian company decided, hey, you know, you can do this.

870
00:27:00,166 --> 00:27:07,416
I'm going to actually talk to the US

871
00:27:07,416 --> 00:27:08,875
because there's a guy, President Donald

872
00:27:08,875 --> 00:27:11,625
Trump, who might want to be interested in

873
00:27:11,625 --> 00:27:14,250
deep sea mining in the US waters and

874
00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:17,250
maybe he'll sponsor me to go to the high

875
00:27:17,250 --> 00:27:19,333
seas. Talked a lot about that. Check out

876
00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:21,500
that episode with Andrew Thaler. But

877
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,333
there was a there was really two big

878
00:27:23,333 --> 00:27:24,583
things that came out of that interview

879
00:27:24,583 --> 00:27:25,125
that I got from that interview. Essentially one that they could go ahead and do deep sea mining within the US waters.

880
00:27:34,375 --> 00:27:36,583
Going outside of those waters and going

881
00:27:36,583 --> 00:27:38,500
into the high seas, that's going to be

882
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:39,875
something different because they are not

883
00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:42,125
part of unclos, which is the law of the

884
00:27:42,125 --> 00:27:44,666
sea. And so that means they are basically

885
00:27:44,666 --> 00:27:45,875
disobeying that law. There's no

886
00:27:45,875 --> 00:27:46,125
enforcement of that law. But what might happen as Andrew Thaler mentioned, he's like, hey, you know what?
If they start to disobey that law, what's to say that China does like start to disobeying that water?

887
00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:59,166
And it just starts a really bad

888
00:27:59,166 --> 00:28:01,333
precedence and that's something that we

889
00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:03,208
don't want to do. So there is a little

890
00:28:03,208 --> 00:28:05,375
bit more to the story. It was developing.

891
00:28:05,583 --> 00:28:07,125
I saw this right before I recorded and I want to talk about it today. So we are going to talk about it's going back to Chris's tiktok. And I think it's pretty interesting because I'm going to let you listen to the story.

892
00:28:07,166 --> 00:28:18,791
But it's something that I feel is going

893
00:28:18,791 --> 00:28:21,125
to be something that we need to we need

894
00:28:21,125 --> 00:28:23,250
to talk about. So I'm just going to hook

895
00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:25,083
it up or set it up here. So just give me

896
00:28:25,083 --> 00:28:27,958
a second. And here we go.

897
00:29:29,125 --> 00:29:30,000
That's why it's such a big deal that

898
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:30,541
Trump issued the

899
00:29:30,541 --> 00:29:31,541
executive order because he went

900
00:29:31,583 --> 00:29:33,916
around this huge international governing

901
00:29:33,916 --> 00:29:35,750
body and they clapped back.

902
00:29:36,291 --> 00:29:37,666
The first way they clapped back is they

903
00:29:37,666 --> 00:29:39,208
put this FAQ on the

904
00:29:39,208 --> 00:29:40,625
International Seabed Authority

905
00:29:40,625 --> 00:29:43,333
website and look at it says, "Due to

906
00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:44,458
recent developments with

907
00:29:44,458 --> 00:29:45,375
the U.S. Executive Order

908
00:29:45,375 --> 00:29:46,875
and the metal company and with the

909
00:29:46,875 --> 00:29:48,708
corporation that wants to buy the DC."

910
00:29:48,708 --> 00:29:50,166
This is actually really good for any of

911
00:29:50,166 --> 00:29:50,750
you who want to dive

912
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:51,833
more into the issue, but

913
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,333
then they issued a

914
00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:55,833
direct statement to the U.S.

915
00:29:56,166 --> 00:29:59,041
And it is so spicy. It basically just

916
00:29:59,041 --> 00:30:01,416
reminds the U.S. that no

917
00:30:01,416 --> 00:30:04,375
state can exercise any rights

918
00:30:04,458 --> 00:30:07,208
over the seabed and the mineral resources

919
00:30:07,208 --> 00:30:07,916
that are found within

920
00:30:07,916 --> 00:30:08,750
it because it is the

921
00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:09,791
common heritage of all mankind.

922
00:30:10,416 --> 00:30:12,416
And then she goes on to say that this

923
00:30:12,416 --> 00:30:13,833
executive order could

924
00:30:13,833 --> 00:30:16,541
destabilize the entire global

925
00:30:16,666 --> 00:30:18,666
system of ocean governance. That's what

926
00:30:18,666 --> 00:30:19,583
Trump's trying to do.

927
00:30:19,583 --> 00:30:21,125
Now, this is an attack on global

928
00:30:21,125 --> 00:30:22,291
agreements, geopolitical

929
00:30:22,291 --> 00:30:23,791
relationships, and it's also

930
00:30:24,041 --> 00:30:27,333
going against the fact that all of these

931
00:30:27,333 --> 00:30:28,541
countries have agreed that the

932
00:30:28,541 --> 00:30:29,625
seabed is the common heritage

933
00:30:29,625 --> 00:30:32,333
of all humankind. And so that cannot be

934
00:30:32,333 --> 00:30:33,875
changed just because one

935
00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:36,083
president or dictator decides

936
00:30:36,083 --> 00:30:37,958
what it should be. So, yeah, the backpack

937
00:30:37,958 --> 00:30:40,833
was strong and team was easy.

938
00:30:41,041 --> 00:30:42,416
Yeah. OK, so there's a bit.

939
00:30:43,083 --> 00:30:45,833
OK, so this is an interesting thing here.

940
00:30:45,833 --> 00:30:46,083
I'm just going to

941
00:30:46,083 --> 00:30:47,125
turn down the music here,

942
00:30:47,375 --> 00:30:49,541
trying to get some back-bone music to go

943
00:30:49,541 --> 00:30:51,583
with the vibes. This is

944
00:30:51,583 --> 00:30:52,625
an interesting development.

945
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,375
So the ISA actually comes out as as Chris

946
00:30:55,375 --> 00:30:57,666
says and says, hey, you know what? If you

947
00:30:57,666 --> 00:30:59,458
do this, if you go like if you go beyond

948
00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:02,500
your exclusive economic zone, you go into

949
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:04,416
international waters into the high seas,

950
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,750
you are going to take

951
00:31:06,750 --> 00:31:08,958
away everything that people

952
00:31:08,958 --> 00:31:11,416
have agreed for decades, you know,

953
00:31:11,416 --> 00:31:12,708
multiple decades that all

954
00:31:12,708 --> 00:31:14,000
these countries, which is

955
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,708
hard to get everybody to agree, but all

956
00:31:15,708 --> 00:31:16,416
these countries who have

957
00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:18,000
signed on, even the ones

958
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,250
that haven't signed on have agreed that

959
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:23,333
this area is kind of off marks other than

960
00:31:23,333 --> 00:31:24,833
a couple of other, you know, couple of

961
00:31:24,833 --> 00:31:26,125
players like that do some

962
00:31:26,125 --> 00:31:28,000
illegal activities, which is another

963
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,041
problem. But once countries start to do

964
00:31:30,041 --> 00:31:31,583
this on purpose, like Donald Trump is

965
00:31:31,583 --> 00:31:33,083
trying to do with the

966
00:31:33,083 --> 00:31:34,541
U.S. and saying, hey, you know what? If

967
00:31:34,541 --> 00:31:36,333
we want to deep sea mine in the high

968
00:31:36,333 --> 00:31:37,958
seas, nobody's really going to stop us.

969
00:31:37,958 --> 00:31:39,000
True. Nobody's really

970
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,791
going to stop them. But what it's going

971
00:31:40,791 --> 00:31:42,625
to do is when they want something done or

972
00:31:42,625 --> 00:31:44,333
not done in the high seas

973
00:31:44,333 --> 00:31:46,000
or something else done in

974
00:31:46,041 --> 00:31:48,250
another U.N. proposition, then maybe

975
00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:49,458
those countries like, well, if you don't

976
00:31:49,458 --> 00:31:51,500
abide by it, why should we abide by it?

977
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:52,875
And to be honest, they're kind of right.

978
00:31:53,333 --> 00:31:55,000
This is these international agreements,

979
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,500
although there's no police force to

980
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:58,708
enforce them, they're kind of enforced on

981
00:31:58,708 --> 00:32:00,333
themselves where, you

982
00:32:00,333 --> 00:32:02,000
know, if some if a country does

983
00:32:02,041 --> 00:32:04,166
something that goes against it, they get

984
00:32:04,166 --> 00:32:06,250
shamed. You know, for a long time, the

985
00:32:06,250 --> 00:32:08,083
International Whale Commission, the IWC,

986
00:32:08,083 --> 00:32:09,833
you know, banned whaling.

987
00:32:10,166 --> 00:32:12,041
And when the Japanese started whaling in

988
00:32:12,041 --> 00:32:14,500
international waters, they were, you

989
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:15,875
know, they were they were embarrassed,

990
00:32:15,875 --> 00:32:17,208
basically, they were they were told like,

991
00:32:17,208 --> 00:32:18,333
hey, what are you doing?

992
00:32:18,333 --> 00:32:19,250
You're going against all these

993
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:20,458
agreements. You're doing this, you're

994
00:32:20,458 --> 00:32:22,208
doing that. And eventually, you know,

995
00:32:22,208 --> 00:32:23,958
with some pressure from some nonprofit

996
00:32:23,958 --> 00:32:25,708
organizations like Sea Shepherd and

997
00:32:25,708 --> 00:32:27,875
others, they eventually went back and

998
00:32:27,875 --> 00:32:28,041
said, you know what?

999
00:32:28,041 --> 00:32:30,375
This is too much of a headache. We're

1000
00:32:30,375 --> 00:32:32,375
putting too many people in danger for a

1001
00:32:32,375 --> 00:32:34,166
number of reasons and of our own of our

1002
00:32:34,166 --> 00:32:36,833
own citizens. So we're going to going to

1003
00:32:36,833 --> 00:32:39,583
wail in our own exclusive economic zone.

1004
00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:42,625
When you start to end, the sanctions can

1005
00:32:42,625 --> 00:32:44,583
happen if they start going into high seas

1006
00:32:44,583 --> 00:32:46,791
and so forth. And so that could be a huge

1007
00:32:46,791 --> 00:32:48,958
problem for countries. And, you know,

1008
00:32:48,958 --> 00:32:50,666
we've never really seen this from a

1009
00:32:50,666 --> 00:32:52,041
country like the U.S. before.

1010
00:32:52,083 --> 00:32:55,000
Obviously, the president doesn't really

1011
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,791
care about international agreements. He

1012
00:32:56,791 --> 00:32:59,000
just cares for what he thinks is good for

1013
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,666
the U.S., which a lot of people disagree,

1014
00:33:01,666 --> 00:33:03,750
especially in this case. And so it's

1015
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:04,375
ruffling a lot of

1016
00:33:04,375 --> 00:33:05,666
feathers around the world.

1017
00:33:05,666 --> 00:33:07,500
It's not making a huge deal because

1018
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:08,750
there's so many other things that, you

1019
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:10,208
know, like tariffs and other things that

1020
00:33:10,208 --> 00:33:12,708
people are worried about. But it is going

1021
00:33:12,708 --> 00:33:15,333
to be a problem if if, you know, the

1022
00:33:15,333 --> 00:33:16,666
president decides, you know, we're just

1023
00:33:16,666 --> 00:33:18,041
going to go ahead and do it anyway.

1024
00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:20,625
And as Dr. Andrew Thaler said in my

1025
00:33:20,625 --> 00:33:22,666
interview, the metal company that's

1026
00:33:22,666 --> 00:33:24,166
Canadian company that's doing this,

1027
00:33:24,375 --> 00:33:26,250
that's kind of perpetrate or like kind of

1028
00:33:26,250 --> 00:33:29,000
pushing this is it could be almost out of

1029
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,958
money and needs to do this deep sea mine.

1030
00:33:30,958 --> 00:33:32,083
They've been doing this for 10 years.

1031
00:33:32,083 --> 00:33:33,250
They've been doing this for a long time.

1032
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:34,750
And, you know, they are a company that

1033
00:33:34,750 --> 00:33:36,166
wants to move quickly. They're a company

1034
00:33:36,166 --> 00:33:38,041
that wants to be able to deep sea mine.

1035
00:33:38,083 --> 00:33:40,875
And I get it from a business perspective,

1036
00:33:40,875 --> 00:33:43,500
but also from a perspective of we don't

1037
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:44,791
know what's going to happen to the deep

1038
00:33:44,791 --> 00:33:46,708
sea if we stop mining or if we start

1039
00:33:46,708 --> 00:33:48,625
mining. And that is a dangerous

1040
00:33:48,625 --> 00:33:50,875
situation. If we screw up the deep sea,

1041
00:33:51,291 --> 00:33:53,416
we could be screwing up a lot of long

1042
00:33:53,416 --> 00:33:56,125
term processes that we just have no idea

1043
00:33:56,125 --> 00:33:58,166
and understanding of from a scientific

1044
00:33:58,166 --> 00:33:59,833
level and from a nature level and what

1045
00:33:59,833 --> 00:34:01,041
we're doing to the balance of nature.

1046
00:34:01,041 --> 00:34:04,791
The ocean covers over 70% of our planet.

1047
00:34:05,291 --> 00:34:07,000
The deep sea is a big portion of that.

1048
00:34:07,416 --> 00:34:09,666
And we know virtually nothing about it.

1049
00:34:09,958 --> 00:34:12,291
So this is it could be very dangerous in

1050
00:34:12,291 --> 00:34:14,250
the way that we play. But again, the fact

1051
00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:16,333
that there's a big push economically to

1052
00:34:16,333 --> 00:34:19,125
develop this is always the driving force

1053
00:34:19,125 --> 00:34:20,958
behind trying to mess up the environment.

1054
00:34:21,041 --> 00:34:22,791
I wish there's a point where we could

1055
00:34:22,791 --> 00:34:24,583
actually figure out how to develop

1056
00:34:24,583 --> 00:34:27,000
economically and develop and protect

1057
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000
environmentally. I think if we could meld

1058
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,041
those two together, we can really do some

1059
00:34:31,041 --> 00:34:32,000
good. But it doesn't

1060
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,291
seem to happen all the time.

1061
00:34:33,583 --> 00:34:36,333
But regardless, that's what's been

1062
00:34:36,333 --> 00:34:38,125
happening. The ISA is like, hey, you know

1063
00:34:38,125 --> 00:34:39,500
what? We need to say something about

1064
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:40,583
this. We're not going to take this lying

1065
00:34:40,583 --> 00:34:42,750
down, which I'm glad. I'm glad they're

1066
00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:43,833
putting it out into in

1067
00:34:43,833 --> 00:34:45,000
the open into the public.

1068
00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:47,166
Other countries are obviously part of

1069
00:34:47,166 --> 00:34:49,125
this international seabed authority. And

1070
00:34:49,125 --> 00:34:50,875
this is something that we need to talk

1071
00:34:50,875 --> 00:34:54,250
about from a world perspective. This is

1072
00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:56,708
very dangerous in terms of not only just

1073
00:34:56,708 --> 00:34:58,208
just deep sea mining, but just

1074
00:34:58,208 --> 00:34:58,666
governance,

1075
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international governance in itself.

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So that's what we're going to that's how

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we're going to end off the show. Really

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interesting thing here. So I'm just going

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to get my last little closer here. I

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think it's this one here. There we go.

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That's it for today's episode.

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You know, I want to thank you so much for

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the patience. I know this is a 35 minute

1084
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episode plus. And so I'm going to divide

1085
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these up into little chunks over the

1086
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weekend so you can take a look or maybe

1087
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,500
over the day, you can take a look at each

1088
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of these individual stories. But I want

1089
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to thank you so much. I'd love to hear

1090
00:35:28,708 --> 00:35:30,333
what you think of this format. If you

1091
00:35:30,333 --> 00:35:32,750
would attend live, when would you attend?

1092
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:34,000
I'd love to hear that. Hit me up in the

1093
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,833
comments below. If you're watching this

1094
00:35:35,833 --> 00:35:37,458
on YouTube, and if you want to hit me up,

1095
00:35:37,458 --> 00:35:40,125
you can do so at how to protect the ocean

1096
00:35:40,125 --> 00:35:42,208
on Instagram. Just DM me. And if you go

1097
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to the web, our

1098
00:35:42,875 --> 00:35:43,041
website, speak up for blue.com.

1099
00:35:43,083 --> 00:35:47,041
For slash contact, you can fill out the

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00:35:47,041 --> 00:35:49,500
form. You can get right access into to

1101
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:51,666
me. It goes right to my personal email

1102
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once you fill out the form. And I would

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00:35:53,041 --> 00:35:54,541
love to hear you. If you want to hear the

1104
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audio version and you're not not into the

1105
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visual version, which is fine. That's

1106
00:35:58,916 --> 00:36:00,291
where I started on this. That's where

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I'll probably always be posting. And this

1108
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there will be an audio version of this.

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This is these lives as well. So you're

1110
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not going to miss any kind of these these

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episodes. The reason why I'm doing the

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lives is because there's so many stories that are coming out lately that I want to cover.

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Them as soon as possible. And I don't

1114
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want to wait like a couple of days before

1115
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it gets going. So that's why I'm doing

1116
00:36:18,458 --> 00:36:20,291
these lives. But if you want to go, if

1117
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you want to search up the podcast is how

1118
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to protect the ocean on your favorite

1119
00:36:23,125 --> 00:36:25,333
podcast app. I want to thank you so much

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for joining me on today's episode of the

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how to protect the ocean podcast. I'm

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your host, Andrew Lewin. Have a great

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day. We'll talk to you next

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time and happy conservation.