Pacific Islands Marine Monument Rollback and Court Reversal Explained

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On today's

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episode we're

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gonna be finding

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out what the hell

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is going on with

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the Pacific

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Islands Heritage

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Marine National

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Monument

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in the US

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In the Pacific

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Islands. This is

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something that

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has been

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unprecedented

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It's been

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protected for

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over 10 years and

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all of a sudden

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on day one of his

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presidency

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Donald Trump

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opened it up for

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fishing because

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he wanted the

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United States to

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be number one in

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fishing in

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the Pacific

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What is that

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going to do to

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the protected

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area to all the

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stuff that

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happened in the

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particular area

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when it was

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shut down?

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Do we even know

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if fish grew in

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numbers in size

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during that

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protection?

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We need more

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science to do

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this and Angela

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Villa Gomez for

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the Center of

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American Progress

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is here to

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talk about

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Why we need more

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science and

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monitoring during

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this time and

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we're gonna talk

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about the core

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case that

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actually shut

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down the

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opening of this

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Marine National

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Monument and

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we're gonna talk

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about it on

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today's episode

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of the how to

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protect the ocean

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podcast. Let's

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start the show

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Hey everybody,

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welcome back to

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another exciting

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episode of the

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how to protect

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the ocean podcast

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I'm your host

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Andrew Lewin and

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this is the

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podcast where you

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find out what's

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happening with

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the ocean how you

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can speak up for

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The ocean what

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you can do to

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live for a better

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ocean by taking

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action on

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today's episode

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We are going to

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be talking about

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the Pacific

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Islands Heritage

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Marine National

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Monument

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in the US

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This has been

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something that

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has been around

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the news since

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day one of the

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Donald Trump's presidency

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Where he erased

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the US commitment

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to 30 by 30 the

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global goal to

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protecting?

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30% of land and

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sea by 2030 not

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long after his

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administration

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attention to the

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Pacific Islands

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Heritage Marine

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National Monument

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one of the

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largest fully

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protected marine

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areas in the

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world

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spanning over

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1.3 square miles

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of protected area

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for a decade

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been off-limits

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to commercial

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fishing serving

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as a sanctuary

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for corals

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pelagic fish and

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countless

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migratory species

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But on April 17

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2025 Trump issued

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a proclamation

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that commercial

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fishing in the

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monuments

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expansion area

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posed no risk to

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scientific or

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historical objects

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This opened the

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door for fishing

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between 50 and

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miles

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around Wacotl

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Johnson atoll and

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Jarvis Island

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waters that had

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once been

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completely

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protected the

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proclamation

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Directed Noah and

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the Western

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Pacific fishery

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management

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council to

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rewrite the rules

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weighing options

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from keeping

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Protections in

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place to removing

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them entirely

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day and only

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rollback of

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marine protection

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under Trump and

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it sparked

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immediate

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lawsuits from

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conservation

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groups

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court struck down

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proclamation on a

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technicality

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Reclosing the

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monument to

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fishing at least

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for now the case

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highlights

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How fragile these

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protections can

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be when created

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by presidential

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proclamation

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instead of

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legislation and

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it raises larger

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concerns

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mean for the US

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commitment

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to 30 by 30?

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How much power

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should presidents

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have to undo

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decades of

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conservation

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progress and what

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happens to the

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fish corals and

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communities that

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depend on

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these waters?

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Today we are

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going to explore

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the politics

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science and the

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future of marine

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protection in the

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Pacific Islands

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National Monument

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by speaking to

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Angela Villa

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Gomez a good

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Friend of the

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podcast and

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myself who's from

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the Center of

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American Progress

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in Washington DC

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He's gonna be

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talking about the

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US monument

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talking about how

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important it is

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and why we need

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to find out more

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about just

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getting science

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expansion of the

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monument and how

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that's helped or

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maybe not helped

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fish in general

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for growing in

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number and size

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discuss a lot of

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the things that

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the US and how

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that could be a

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distraction

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because there's

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How it could be a

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distraction to

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making sure that

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this marine

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protected area

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stays closed

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talk all that in

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this episode.

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Here's the

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interview with

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Angelo Villa

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Gomez enjoy and I

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will talk to you

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after hey Angelo

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Welcome back to

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the how to

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protect the ocean

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podcast. Are you

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ready to talk

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about marine

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sanctuaries? I am

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It's been a hot

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minute since I

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saw you. I think

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the last time we

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talked we were

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both in France

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together

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Yes, the UN ocean

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conference.

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That's right, and

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we were actually

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jumping

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into the water

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That's right. We

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did not win. No

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because we were

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we were

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participating

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in the

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the manu the

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international

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manu competition

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which is

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manu is a

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Polynesian word

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of jumping into

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the ocean means

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bird, but it's a

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style of jumping

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in the ocean and

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New Zealand and

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you and I are not

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from New Zealand

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No, and we you

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were the Canadian

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purchase was I

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was I was the

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American

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participant

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And we did not

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win. It was a

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good time. We've been

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times had life

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It was it I mean

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you're you were

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jumping off like

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it wasn't

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too high

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You were much

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braver than than

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the rest of us

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were by just

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jumping off that

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first cliff

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wasn't that high

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Beautiful water

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nice and

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refreshing

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It was nice to do

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it at a

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conference where

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we get to have

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some fun as well

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and it was

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great people

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So that was that

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was a lot of fun.

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But like

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let's talk

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Before we start

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this the way you

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jump in you got

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to go like butt

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first like first

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Yeah, that's the

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the biggest

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splash. Yeah, so

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when I was

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growing

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up as a kid

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I thought a

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cannonball right

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was the been

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slow, right?

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So you sort of

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like you tuck in

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with hands and

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then boom you hit

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the water

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and splash

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We've done it

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wrong our

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entire lives

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But foods the

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best splash is

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achieved by

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putting your

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derriere into the

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water first

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Which is not that

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easy, right?

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Like you got to

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get a jump

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in the air

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So like there's

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you know, you

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gotta get some

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lift and some

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distance and then

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flip your legs

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out in front of

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you and land

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Yeah

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But first and not

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on your back

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because that

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would hurt even

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more, you know,

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but so you got to

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like be

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pretty good

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It takes some

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practice. I did

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not practice. I

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was not good. I

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did one thing and

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I'm like, I'm out

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I gotta go but

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that was that was

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a lot of fun, but

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we're not here to

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talk about that

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Although that was

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very fun. We

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should probably

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we could probably

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do an entire

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episode on that

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We are here to

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talk about a

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marine protected

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areas in

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particular a

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marine sanctuary

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called the

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Pacific Island

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Heritage Marine

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National Monument

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Quite quite a

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title, but also

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it represents a

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lot. So Angela

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before we get

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started with that

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Can you just tell

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me just remind

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the audience who

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you are and

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what you do?

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My name is

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Angelo. I live in

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Washington DC

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work for an

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organization

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called Center for

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Marine Center for

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American Progress

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And I'm an ocean

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advocate and I

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was actually at

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the designation

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at the very

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beginning of the

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Pacific Islands

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Heritage Marine

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National Monument

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I went to the

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White House and I

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was an advocate

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for Mariana

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Trench Marine

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National Monument

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Right the

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president George

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W Bush in his

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last two

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weeks office

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designated three

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large protected

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areas out in the

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Pacific Ocean

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In US waters and

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I got to watch

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him sign the

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piece of paper

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that actually

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created this big

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protected area

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and it is the US

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has a number of

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different islands

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out in

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the Pacific

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Everyone's heard

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of Hawaii

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We also have Guam

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the Northern

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Mariana Islands

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American Samoa,

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but there's also

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this series of

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seven

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uninhabited islands

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And they're they're

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collectively

505
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called the

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Pacific remote

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islands area

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and it's like

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wake at

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all Jarvis

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Palmyra Kingman

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at all and

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President Bush

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created a marine

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protected air

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very large marine

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protected area

518
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around all seven

519
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of these islands

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that they're not

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contiguous

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And so it was

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like five

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different big

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squares out in

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the middle of the

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ocean, right?

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And then a few

529
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years later we

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had a new

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president. Barack

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Obama was

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president and he

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made three of

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those five

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big squares into

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giant circles

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They initially

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went out from

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shore to 50 miles

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and he extended

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them out to 200

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miles.

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Okay, and then

545
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President Trump

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Donald Donald J.

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Trump came into

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the White

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House and

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He's threatened

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all of America's

552
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public lands and

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waters. He said

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we're going to

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drill baby drill

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We're gonna mine

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the deep sea

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and the first

559
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Action that he

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took against

561
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public lands and

562
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waters was to

563
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open up a big

564
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chunk of this

565
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protected

566
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area to fishing

567
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when Obama

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Expanded it he

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expanded it to

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1.3 million

571
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square kilometers

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And Trump opened

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up about a

574
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million of that

575
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to fishing. So

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more than half

577
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this is

578
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this is yeah

579
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One million out

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of 1.3. So 1.3.

581
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Sorry those

582
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talking about

583
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1.8. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah

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7080% yeah, so

586
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that was back in

587
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April and

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the

589
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Government office

590
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in Hawaii, not

591
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Noah they issued

592
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a letter to all

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the fishermen

594
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Permit holders

595
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and said you can

596
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now fish in this

597
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protected area

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And almost

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immediately a

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whole bunch of

601
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boats like 10 or

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20 went into the

603
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protected area

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and you can go to

605
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global

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fishing watch

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Dot-com and you

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can you know put

609
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in the right

610
00:09:00,458 --> 00:09:00,958
parameters

611
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zoom in

612
00:09:02,125 --> 00:09:02,791
Find the right

613
00:09:02,791 --> 00:09:04,125
dates and you can

614
00:09:04,125 --> 00:09:04,833
see those fishing

615
00:09:04,833 --> 00:09:05,708
vessels. Yeah,

616
00:09:05,708 --> 00:09:06,791
they're in there

617
00:09:06,791 --> 00:09:07,458
and they're

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catching tuna

619
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They're based in

620
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Hawaii going down

621
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to the

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protected area

623
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Which is a couple

624
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thought like

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maybe a thousand

626
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miles away and

627
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then going back

628
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up to Hawaii and

629
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offloading

630
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their fish

631
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The conservation

632
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community was not

633
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happy about

634
00:09:20,458 --> 00:09:21,208
this, right?

635
00:09:21,541 --> 00:09:22,208
And the Trump

636
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administration

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00:09:22,625 --> 00:09:23,875
was sued by

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several groups in

639
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Hawaii. The

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lawsuit was filed

641
00:09:26,916 --> 00:09:27,833
by Earth Justice

642
00:09:27,958 --> 00:09:29,083
Which is a great

643
00:09:29,083 --> 00:09:29,750
organization

644
00:09:30,625 --> 00:09:31,958
and

645
00:09:32,125 --> 00:09:32,875
about two

646
00:09:32,875 --> 00:09:33,458
weeks ago

647
00:09:34,625 --> 00:09:36,000
Earth the courts

648
00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,208
decided that the

649
00:09:37,208 --> 00:09:37,416
Trump

650
00:09:37,416 --> 00:09:37,916
administration

651
00:09:37,916 --> 00:09:38,208
had

652
00:09:38,208 --> 00:09:39,083
broken the law

653
00:09:39,291 --> 00:09:40,250
When they used

654
00:09:40,250 --> 00:09:41,416
that letter to

655
00:09:41,416 --> 00:09:42,250
open this area up

656
00:09:42,250 --> 00:09:42,666
to fishing

657
00:09:43,041 --> 00:09:43,958
Because America

658
00:09:43,958 --> 00:09:44,500
is still a

659
00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:45,291
country of laws

660
00:09:45,291 --> 00:09:46,458
and we have a

661
00:09:46,458 --> 00:09:47,041
fisheries law

662
00:09:47,041 --> 00:09:47,291
called

663
00:09:47,291 --> 00:09:48,000
Magnuson Stevens

664
00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:49,500
And the the Trump

665
00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:50,000
administration

666
00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,208
had not followed

667
00:09:51,208 --> 00:09:52,000
the letter

668
00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:52,791
of the law

669
00:09:53,458 --> 00:09:54,541
So the judge

670
00:09:54,541 --> 00:09:55,958
closed the area

671
00:09:55,958 --> 00:09:56,833
to fishing again.

672
00:09:56,833 --> 00:09:58,958
So it was opened

673
00:09:58,958 --> 00:10:00,208
up in April shut

674
00:10:00,208 --> 00:10:00,916
down a couple of

675
00:10:00,916 --> 00:10:01,458
weeks ago

676
00:10:02,125 --> 00:10:03,125
and

677
00:10:03,875 --> 00:10:04,666
now

678
00:10:06,833 --> 00:10:08,333
There the fishing

679
00:10:08,333 --> 00:10:09,583
interests are

680
00:10:09,875 --> 00:10:10,750
Trying to get

681
00:10:10,750 --> 00:10:11,291
that process

682
00:10:11,291 --> 00:10:12,250
going that you

683
00:10:12,250 --> 00:10:13,166
know that legal

684
00:10:13,166 --> 00:10:13,500
government

685
00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:14,708
process that

686
00:10:14,708 --> 00:10:15,333
could open this

687
00:10:15,333 --> 00:10:16,083
area to fishing

688
00:10:16,083 --> 00:10:16,750
and we're seeing

689
00:10:16,750 --> 00:10:17,375
that happening

690
00:10:17,375 --> 00:10:18,208
in real time

691
00:10:19,541 --> 00:10:20,500
That's a lot that

692
00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:21,666
happened in such

693
00:10:21,666 --> 00:10:22,833
a short time, you

694
00:10:22,833 --> 00:10:23,416
know, like you

695
00:10:23,416 --> 00:10:24,125
know where

696
00:10:24,666 --> 00:10:25,666
you know Donald

697
00:10:25,666 --> 00:10:26,416
Trump President

698
00:10:26,416 --> 00:10:26,916
Donald Trump

699
00:10:26,916 --> 00:10:28,458
takes away the

700
00:10:29,541 --> 00:10:30,708
Or opens it up

701
00:10:30,708 --> 00:10:31,375
for fishing

702
00:10:32,708 --> 00:10:33,750
So what's the

703
00:10:33,750 --> 00:10:35,000
reasoning that he

704
00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:35,791
used behind

705
00:10:35,791 --> 00:10:36,625
opening it up? Is

706
00:10:36,625 --> 00:10:37,333
it more of like

707
00:10:37,333 --> 00:10:37,666
the drill

708
00:10:37,666 --> 00:10:38,208
baby bill?

709
00:10:38,208 --> 00:10:38,625
We're gonna fish

710
00:10:38,625 --> 00:10:39,250
everything. We

711
00:10:39,250 --> 00:10:39,708
want to be the

712
00:10:39,708 --> 00:10:40,583
biggest fisheries

713
00:10:40,583 --> 00:10:41,833
in a country

714
00:10:41,833 --> 00:10:43,291
Yeah, that's that's ultimate.

715
00:10:43,291 --> 00:10:44,041
That's ultimately

716
00:10:44,041 --> 00:10:44,500
what it comes

717
00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:45,916
down to. Yeah, is

718
00:10:45,916 --> 00:10:46,625
that we're going

719
00:10:46,625 --> 00:10:47,625
to we're gonna

720
00:10:47,625 --> 00:10:48,583
have energy

721
00:10:48,583 --> 00:10:49,000
dominance

722
00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:49,666
We're gonna have

723
00:10:49,666 --> 00:10:49,958
fisheries

724
00:10:49,958 --> 00:10:51,083
dominance. We're

725
00:10:51,083 --> 00:10:51,458
gonna fish

726
00:10:51,458 --> 00:10:52,083
everywhere

727
00:10:52,458 --> 00:10:53,250
We're gonna have

728
00:10:53,250 --> 00:10:53,458
the

729
00:10:53,458 --> 00:10:54,416
greatest economy

730
00:10:55,083 --> 00:10:56,291
What it's just

731
00:10:56,291 --> 00:10:56,708
it's very

732
00:10:56,708 --> 00:10:57,291
short-sighted

733
00:10:57,958 --> 00:10:58,666
the United

734
00:10:58,666 --> 00:10:59,916
States has had

735
00:11:00,916 --> 00:11:02,041
Protected lands

736
00:11:02,041 --> 00:11:03,583
and waters for

737
00:11:03,583 --> 00:11:04,208
the last hundred

738
00:11:04,208 --> 00:11:04,708
and fifty years

739
00:11:04,708 --> 00:11:05,500
when our first

740
00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:06,166
national parks

741
00:11:06,166 --> 00:11:06,666
were protected

742
00:11:07,208 --> 00:11:08,625
And we this

743
00:11:08,625 --> 00:11:09,166
country can

744
00:11:09,166 --> 00:11:10,500
absolutely have

745
00:11:11,125 --> 00:11:12,333
the best managed

746
00:11:12,333 --> 00:11:13,125
fisheries in the

747
00:11:13,125 --> 00:11:14,500
world and

748
00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:15,708
the best network

749
00:11:15,708 --> 00:11:16,166
of

750
00:11:16,166 --> 00:11:16,875
protected areas

751
00:11:17,250 --> 00:11:18,708
And and the goals

752
00:11:18,708 --> 00:11:19,583
of sustainable

753
00:11:19,583 --> 00:11:21,000
fishing and of

754
00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:21,500
habitat

755
00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:22,166
management or

756
00:11:22,166 --> 00:11:22,791
hand habitat

757
00:11:22,791 --> 00:11:23,250
protection

758
00:11:23,791 --> 00:11:24,958
Are not the same,

759
00:11:24,958 --> 00:11:25,708
you know that

760
00:11:25,708 --> 00:11:27,125
when you are

761
00:11:27,125 --> 00:11:28,000
advocating for

762
00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:28,333
sustainable

763
00:11:28,333 --> 00:11:28,583
fishing

764
00:11:29,291 --> 00:11:29,958
What your

765
00:11:29,958 --> 00:11:31,166
ultimate goal is

766
00:11:31,166 --> 00:11:31,750
to do, you know,

767
00:11:31,750 --> 00:11:32,958
I mean it's much

768
00:11:32,958 --> 00:11:33,458
more complicated

769
00:11:33,458 --> 00:11:33,875
than this

770
00:11:33,875 --> 00:11:34,583
Yeah, you want

771
00:11:34,583 --> 00:11:35,041
you want to get

772
00:11:35,041 --> 00:11:35,458
to a place where

773
00:11:35,458 --> 00:11:36,083
you have?

774
00:11:36,708 --> 00:11:37,000
Sustainable

775
00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:37,875
fishing. Yeah,

776
00:11:37,875 --> 00:11:39,083
where the the

777
00:11:39,083 --> 00:11:39,875
number of fish

778
00:11:39,875 --> 00:11:40,666
being taken out

779
00:11:40,666 --> 00:11:41,000
are being

780
00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:41,500
replaced

781
00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:42,208
every year

782
00:11:42,208 --> 00:11:43,125
So that you're

783
00:11:43,125 --> 00:11:44,000
you have a steady

784
00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,291
catch in

785
00:11:45,291 --> 00:11:45,875
fishermen can

786
00:11:45,875 --> 00:11:46,875
have jobs and

787
00:11:46,875 --> 00:11:47,750
there's fish on

788
00:11:47,750 --> 00:11:48,375
people's plates

789
00:11:49,416 --> 00:11:50,416
But the goals of

790
00:11:50,416 --> 00:11:51,333
conservation are

791
00:11:51,333 --> 00:11:52,416
often not the

792
00:11:52,416 --> 00:11:53,500
same, you

793
00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:54,041
know, they're

794
00:11:54,375 --> 00:11:56,708
sustainable

795
00:11:56,708 --> 00:11:58,375
fishing is not a

796
00:11:58,375 --> 00:12:00,041
net zero or

797
00:12:00,041 --> 00:12:00,875
it's not a

798
00:12:03,083 --> 00:12:03,416
Environmentally

799
00:12:03,416 --> 00:12:04,625
neutral activity

800
00:12:04,625 --> 00:12:05,708
on there still

801
00:12:05,708 --> 00:12:06,750
are outcomes to

802
00:12:06,750 --> 00:12:07,208
it. There's

803
00:12:07,208 --> 00:12:08,083
bycatch. Yep

804
00:12:08,833 --> 00:12:10,166
The fish do die

805
00:12:10,625 --> 00:12:11,458
So, you know,

806
00:12:11,458 --> 00:12:12,000
there's changes

807
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:12,583
in the fisheries

808
00:12:12,583 --> 00:12:13,500
assemblage. Usually

809
00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:14,208
you'll see

810
00:12:15,083 --> 00:12:16,000
Maybe the

811
00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:16,583
sometimes the

812
00:12:16,583 --> 00:12:17,125
fish populations

813
00:12:17,125 --> 00:12:18,000
will go down. But

814
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:18,500
sometimes the

815
00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:18,958
fishes of the

816
00:12:18,958 --> 00:12:19,333
sizes

817
00:12:19,333 --> 00:12:21,500
smaller and again

818
00:12:21,541 --> 00:12:22,250
You know, this is

819
00:12:22,250 --> 00:12:22,625
different

820
00:12:22,625 --> 00:12:23,291
depending on the

821
00:12:23,291 --> 00:12:23,916
stock. So of

822
00:12:23,916 --> 00:12:25,000
course, yeah, I

823
00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:25,666
just paint with a

824
00:12:25,666 --> 00:12:26,208
broad brush for

825
00:12:26,208 --> 00:12:26,500
everything,

826
00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:26,958
right?

827
00:12:28,625 --> 00:12:29,875
But we can have

828
00:12:29,875 --> 00:12:31,041
fisheries and

829
00:12:31,041 --> 00:12:31,875
protected areas

830
00:12:31,875 --> 00:12:33,708
and for the last

831
00:12:33,708 --> 00:12:34,166
20 years

832
00:12:34,166 --> 00:12:34,541
it's worked

833
00:12:35,083 --> 00:12:36,083
The way the

834
00:12:36,083 --> 00:12:36,708
United States

835
00:12:36,708 --> 00:12:38,291
manages its tuna

836
00:12:38,291 --> 00:12:38,791
fisheries in

837
00:12:38,791 --> 00:12:39,250
the Pacific

838
00:12:40,458 --> 00:12:41,458
For the boats in

839
00:12:41,458 --> 00:12:42,208
Hawaii is

840
00:12:42,208 --> 00:12:42,750
with a quota

841
00:12:43,666 --> 00:12:44,708
And that quota

842
00:12:44,708 --> 00:12:45,458
was I think three

843
00:12:45,458 --> 00:12:45,916
thousand five

844
00:12:45,916 --> 00:12:47,416
hundred tons. It

845
00:12:47,416 --> 00:12:48,000
was recently

846
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:48,958
increased to

847
00:12:48,958 --> 00:12:49,208
seven

848
00:12:49,208 --> 00:12:49,875
thousand tons

849
00:12:50,541 --> 00:12:52,708
Just this year. I

850
00:12:52,708 --> 00:12:53,375
Think last year

851
00:12:53,375 --> 00:12:54,833
before it was

852
00:12:54,833 --> 00:12:55,375
increased

853
00:12:55,375 --> 00:12:56,958
doubled. Okay

854
00:12:57,333 --> 00:12:58,250
They've never had

855
00:12:58,250 --> 00:12:59,458
an issue reaching

856
00:12:59,458 --> 00:13:00,583
the quota, right?

857
00:13:00,875 --> 00:13:01,916
You know this

858
00:13:01,916 --> 00:13:03,583
they've it's not

859
00:13:03,583 --> 00:13:04,291
like there's fish

860
00:13:04,291 --> 00:13:04,708
that are being

861
00:13:04,708 --> 00:13:05,000
left

862
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,083
uncaught, right?

863
00:13:06,541 --> 00:13:08,083
It's the the the

864
00:13:08,083 --> 00:13:09,333
fleet has

865
00:13:09,333 --> 00:13:10,458
operated and is

866
00:13:10,458 --> 00:13:11,125
very successful

867
00:13:11,250 --> 00:13:12,666
Yeah, and we've

868
00:13:12,666 --> 00:13:12,916
had these

869
00:13:12,916 --> 00:13:13,583
protected areas

870
00:13:13,583 --> 00:13:14,000
at the same

871
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:14,583
time, right?

872
00:13:15,166 --> 00:13:15,708
So with it the

873
00:13:15,708 --> 00:13:16,458
idea is saying

874
00:13:16,458 --> 00:13:17,375
hey look we the

875
00:13:17,375 --> 00:13:18,208
cash per unit

876
00:13:18,208 --> 00:13:18,833
effort hasn't

877
00:13:18,833 --> 00:13:19,333
really changed

878
00:13:19,333 --> 00:13:20,041
They're able to

879
00:13:20,041 --> 00:13:20,750
meet their quota

880
00:13:20,875 --> 00:13:21,666
They're able to

881
00:13:21,666 --> 00:13:22,458
even to double it

882
00:13:22,458 --> 00:13:23,125
and there and the

883
00:13:23,125 --> 00:13:23,750
fisheries

884
00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:24,916
population so far

885
00:13:24,916 --> 00:13:25,166
the tuna

886
00:13:25,166 --> 00:13:25,500
population

887
00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:26,125
is fine

888
00:13:26,208 --> 00:13:27,000
Because it's well

889
00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:27,666
managed because

890
00:13:27,666 --> 00:13:28,250
there's marine

891
00:13:28,250 --> 00:13:28,916
protected areas

892
00:13:28,916 --> 00:13:29,625
because of this

893
00:13:29,625 --> 00:13:30,458
we're looking at

894
00:13:30,458 --> 00:13:31,000
what how many

895
00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:31,958
years when was it

896
00:13:31,958 --> 00:13:32,291
designated?

897
00:13:33,500 --> 00:13:38,666
2000 Expanded in 15 so

898
00:13:38,666 --> 00:13:39,208
it's been

899
00:13:39,208 --> 00:13:42,000
The area that's

900
00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:42,500
open has been

901
00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:43,083
closed for like a

902
00:13:43,083 --> 00:13:43,750
decade. Yeah

903
00:13:45,041 --> 00:13:46,333
And you know, I'm

904
00:13:46,333 --> 00:13:46,708
glad you asked

905
00:13:46,708 --> 00:13:47,208
that question

906
00:13:47,208 --> 00:13:48,291
because you know,

907
00:13:48,291 --> 00:13:48,541
one of the

908
00:13:48,541 --> 00:13:48,958
reasons I wanted

909
00:13:48,958 --> 00:13:50,000
to talk to you

910
00:13:50,166 --> 00:13:51,875
Is because this

911
00:13:51,875 --> 00:13:52,666
area had been

912
00:13:52,666 --> 00:13:53,625
closed to fishing

913
00:13:53,625 --> 00:13:54,416
for 10 years.

914
00:13:54,416 --> 00:13:55,708
Yeah, and then it

915
00:13:55,708 --> 00:13:56,625
was opened from

916
00:13:56,625 --> 00:13:57,041
April to

917
00:13:57,041 --> 00:13:58,375
August and

918
00:13:58,375 --> 00:13:59,208
Fish were caught

919
00:13:59,208 --> 00:14:00,583
and I want to see

920
00:14:00,583 --> 00:14:01,625
that data. Yeah

921
00:14:01,625 --> 00:14:03,166
for sure because

922
00:14:03,583 --> 00:14:04,458
It doesn't have

923
00:14:04,458 --> 00:14:05,416
to be me but I

924
00:14:05,416 --> 00:14:06,500
want like

925
00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:07,375
scientists who I

926
00:14:07,375 --> 00:14:08,291
trust to

927
00:14:08,291 --> 00:14:09,000
see that data

928
00:14:09,208 --> 00:14:09,666
Yeah, I'm gonna

929
00:14:09,666 --> 00:14:10,041
and I could

930
00:14:10,041 --> 00:14:10,375
actually this

931
00:14:10,375 --> 00:14:10,833
could be a great

932
00:14:10,833 --> 00:14:11,416
collaboration

933
00:14:11,416 --> 00:14:12,583
between MPA

934
00:14:12,583 --> 00:14:13,250
scientists and

935
00:14:13,250 --> 00:14:13,583
fishery

936
00:14:13,583 --> 00:14:14,000
scientists

937
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,083
Because what the

938
00:14:16,083 --> 00:14:16,458
fisheries

939
00:14:16,458 --> 00:14:17,083
scientist what

940
00:14:17,083 --> 00:14:17,625
the fisheries

941
00:14:17,625 --> 00:14:18,375
folks are saying

942
00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:19,750
is that these

943
00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:20,458
protected areas

944
00:14:20,458 --> 00:14:20,916
have had no

945
00:14:20,916 --> 00:14:21,416
benefit to

946
00:14:21,416 --> 00:14:22,541
the fishery

947
00:14:22,541 --> 00:14:23,625
You know, they've

948
00:14:23,625 --> 00:14:23,875
they've been a

949
00:14:23,875 --> 00:14:24,375
complete waste of

950
00:14:24,375 --> 00:14:24,916
time. They've

951
00:14:24,916 --> 00:14:25,208
harmed the

952
00:14:25,208 --> 00:14:25,541
fishermen

953
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,083
But what the MPA

954
00:14:27,083 --> 00:14:28,500
scientists say is

955
00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:29,833
that they've

956
00:14:29,833 --> 00:14:30,291
actually

957
00:14:30,708 --> 00:14:31,833
Led to spillover

958
00:14:31,833 --> 00:14:33,666
effects that you

959
00:14:33,666 --> 00:14:34,416
know in the way

960
00:14:34,416 --> 00:14:34,750
that's been

961
00:14:34,750 --> 00:14:35,208
measured

962
00:14:35,625 --> 00:14:36,541
With studies in

963
00:14:36,541 --> 00:14:37,125
the past

964
00:14:37,125 --> 00:14:38,250
is has been

965
00:14:39,291 --> 00:14:39,916
Fishermen are

966
00:14:39,916 --> 00:14:40,583
fishing the line.

967
00:14:40,583 --> 00:14:41,916
Yeah right on

968
00:14:41,916 --> 00:14:42,291
there saying

969
00:14:43,083 --> 00:14:44,125
By fishing the

970
00:14:44,125 --> 00:14:45,041
line that's

971
00:14:45,041 --> 00:14:46,541
evidence that the

972
00:14:46,541 --> 00:14:47,208
fishermen know

973
00:14:47,208 --> 00:14:48,291
that there's more

974
00:14:48,291 --> 00:14:49,000
fish inside the

975
00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:49,500
protected area

976
00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:50,291
and fishermen are

977
00:14:50,291 --> 00:14:50,625
brilliant

978
00:14:50,625 --> 00:14:51,250
smart people

979
00:14:51,250 --> 00:14:52,041
Yeah, dedicate

980
00:14:52,041 --> 00:14:52,500
their entire

981
00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:53,166
lives to catching

982
00:14:53,166 --> 00:14:54,333
fish. They know

983
00:14:54,333 --> 00:14:54,875
how to catch

984
00:14:54,875 --> 00:14:55,625
fish. They know

985
00:14:55,625 --> 00:14:56,375
the best ways to

986
00:14:56,375 --> 00:14:56,750
catch fish

987
00:14:56,750 --> 00:14:57,208
They know how to

988
00:14:57,208 --> 00:14:57,750
catch it as fast

989
00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:58,416
as possible

990
00:14:58,875 --> 00:14:59,750
So that they can

991
00:14:59,750 --> 00:15:00,083
make as much

992
00:15:00,083 --> 00:15:00,708
money as possible

993
00:15:00,708 --> 00:15:01,333
So I like it when

994
00:15:01,333 --> 00:15:02,208
fishermen are

995
00:15:02,208 --> 00:15:02,625
going to the

996
00:15:02,625 --> 00:15:03,666
borders of marine

997
00:15:03,666 --> 00:15:04,375
protected areas.

998
00:15:04,375 --> 00:15:05,375
It's because they

999
00:15:05,375 --> 00:15:05,958
know something

1000
00:15:05,958 --> 00:15:06,500
Yeah, like it's

1001
00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:07,125
not it's not

1002
00:15:07,125 --> 00:15:08,041
random. Yeah

1003
00:15:08,416 --> 00:15:09,208
But with this

1004
00:15:09,208 --> 00:15:09,875
fisheries data

1005
00:15:09,875 --> 00:15:10,583
that we have for

1006
00:15:10,583 --> 00:15:10,750
these

1007
00:15:10,750 --> 00:15:11,500
couple of months

1008
00:15:12,458 --> 00:15:13,375
Can we look at

1009
00:15:13,375 --> 00:15:13,833
the catch per

1010
00:15:13,833 --> 00:15:14,375
unit effort?

1011
00:15:14,958 --> 00:15:15,250
You know, how

1012
00:15:15,250 --> 00:15:16,625
many hooks were

1013
00:15:16,625 --> 00:15:17,125
dropped in the

1014
00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:18,125
water and how

1015
00:15:18,125 --> 00:15:19,000
many fish were on

1016
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:19,500
the line?

1017
00:15:19,958 --> 00:15:21,625
And how long did

1018
00:15:21,625 --> 00:15:22,208
they soak those

1019
00:15:22,208 --> 00:15:22,541
hooks in the

1020
00:15:22,541 --> 00:15:23,416
water to catch

1021
00:15:23,416 --> 00:15:23,916
those fish?

1022
00:15:24,791 --> 00:15:25,583
I think that's

1023
00:15:25,583 --> 00:15:26,291
actually pretty

1024
00:15:26,291 --> 00:15:28,083
easy to capture

1025
00:15:28,083 --> 00:15:29,666
and the NOAA used

1026
00:15:29,666 --> 00:15:30,250
to put all that

1027
00:15:30,250 --> 00:15:30,708
data on

1028
00:15:30,708 --> 00:15:31,250
their website

1029
00:15:31,583 --> 00:15:32,375
But the last

1030
00:15:32,375 --> 00:15:32,916
couple years it

1031
00:15:32,916 --> 00:15:33,791
hasn't been there

1032
00:15:34,333 --> 00:15:34,791
I'd also be

1033
00:15:34,791 --> 00:15:35,416
interested in

1034
00:15:35,416 --> 00:15:36,375
looking at the

1035
00:15:36,375 --> 00:15:37,500
sizes of the fish

1036
00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:38,625
that may be a

1037
00:15:38,625 --> 00:15:39,125
little bit more

1038
00:15:39,125 --> 00:15:39,250
difficult

1039
00:15:40,125 --> 00:15:41,375
But when those

1040
00:15:41,375 --> 00:15:42,041
fish are

1041
00:15:42,041 --> 00:15:42,666
offloaded in

1042
00:15:42,666 --> 00:15:43,791
Hawaii and you

1043
00:15:43,791 --> 00:15:44,458
can actually go

1044
00:15:44,458 --> 00:15:45,250
to this port

1045
00:15:45,250 --> 00:15:45,875
It's like the

1046
00:15:45,875 --> 00:15:46,416
coolest thing in

1047
00:15:46,416 --> 00:15:46,708
the world

1048
00:15:46,708 --> 00:15:47,541
It's one of the

1049
00:15:47,541 --> 00:15:48,250
the oldest

1050
00:15:48,250 --> 00:15:49,250
biggest ports for

1051
00:15:49,250 --> 00:15:49,708
fish in the

1052
00:15:49,708 --> 00:15:50,875
United States and

1053
00:15:50,875 --> 00:15:52,375
as the fish come

1054
00:15:52,375 --> 00:15:53,125
off the boat

1055
00:15:53,708 --> 00:15:54,625
Every single one

1056
00:15:54,625 --> 00:15:54,833
of them

1057
00:15:54,833 --> 00:15:55,666
gets a barcode

1058
00:15:55,791 --> 00:15:56,875
So they have some

1059
00:15:56,875 --> 00:15:57,541
of the like this

1060
00:15:57,541 --> 00:15:58,916
amazing data on

1061
00:15:58,916 --> 00:15:59,625
like literally

1062
00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:00,458
individual fish

1063
00:16:00,458 --> 00:16:01,416
for going

1064
00:16:01,416 --> 00:16:02,083
back to it

1065
00:16:02,083 --> 00:16:02,500
Like and with

1066
00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:03,000
that they'll get

1067
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000
like size and

1068
00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,125
length. Yeah.

1069
00:16:05,125 --> 00:16:05,791
Yeah all this

1070
00:16:05,791 --> 00:16:06,625
where it was

1071
00:16:06,625 --> 00:16:07,250
caught. Yeah

1072
00:16:07,666 --> 00:16:08,416
Incredible data

1073
00:16:08,416 --> 00:16:09,833
and then each one

1074
00:16:09,833 --> 00:16:10,500
of those fish

1075
00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:11,166
gets

1076
00:16:11,166 --> 00:16:11,958
auctioned off

1077
00:16:12,291 --> 00:16:13,208
And then you know

1078
00:16:13,208 --> 00:16:13,875
gets into Japan

1079
00:16:13,875 --> 00:16:14,541
it gets into the

1080
00:16:14,541 --> 00:16:15,166
mainland it gets

1081
00:16:15,166 --> 00:16:15,791
eaten in Hawaii.

1082
00:16:15,791 --> 00:16:17,583
Yeah, whatnot

1083
00:16:18,208 --> 00:16:19,041
You know one

1084
00:16:19,041 --> 00:16:19,583
reason that each

1085
00:16:19,583 --> 00:16:20,125
of those fish get

1086
00:16:20,125 --> 00:16:20,791
a barcode by the

1087
00:16:20,791 --> 00:16:21,416
way is because

1088
00:16:21,416 --> 00:16:22,750
they're each fish

1089
00:16:22,750 --> 00:16:23,166
is but as

1090
00:16:23,166 --> 00:16:24,083
valuable as a

1091
00:16:24,250 --> 00:16:25,291
iPhone yeah,

1092
00:16:25,291 --> 00:16:25,958
yeah, they're

1093
00:16:25,958 --> 00:16:26,416
like thousands.

1094
00:16:26,416 --> 00:16:28,916
Yes big tuna that

1095
00:16:28,916 --> 00:16:29,416
go for a

1096
00:16:29,416 --> 00:16:30,041
thousand bucks

1097
00:16:30,166 --> 00:16:31,375
That most high

1098
00:16:31,375 --> 00:16:32,125
quality fish are

1099
00:16:32,125 --> 00:16:33,375
going for real

1100
00:16:33,375 --> 00:16:34,208
high the bycatch

1101
00:16:34,208 --> 00:16:34,958
is going for

1102
00:16:34,958 --> 00:16:35,375
really for

1103
00:16:35,375 --> 00:16:35,708
a lot less

1104
00:16:36,541 --> 00:16:37,416
And then like

1105
00:16:37,416 --> 00:16:37,750
this could

1106
00:16:37,750 --> 00:16:38,416
actually be a

1107
00:16:38,416 --> 00:16:38,583
really

1108
00:16:38,583 --> 00:16:39,500
important moment

1109
00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:40,875
for understanding

1110
00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:42,500
Marine protected

1111
00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:44,250
areas with a

1112
00:16:44,250 --> 00:16:44,958
highly migratory

1113
00:16:44,958 --> 00:16:45,500
species,

1114
00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:46,291
right? Yeah

1115
00:16:46,416 --> 00:16:48,000
um, and you know,

1116
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,666
there's the UN

1117
00:16:49,666 --> 00:16:50,291
General Assembly

1118
00:16:50,291 --> 00:16:51,541
is happening in

1119
00:16:51,541 --> 00:16:52,958
September and

1120
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,125
There's hope that

1121
00:16:54,125 --> 00:16:54,708
enough countries

1122
00:16:54,708 --> 00:16:55,833
will ratify this

1123
00:16:55,833 --> 00:16:56,208
high seas

1124
00:16:56,208 --> 00:16:56,666
agreement

1125
00:16:56,666 --> 00:16:57,500
And there's gonna

1126
00:16:57,500 --> 00:16:58,625
be this push for

1127
00:16:58,625 --> 00:16:59,250
marine protected

1128
00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:01,416
areas on on the

1129
00:17:01,416 --> 00:17:01,875
high seas

1130
00:17:02,583 --> 00:17:04,000
And this is

1131
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,208
fisheries data.

1132
00:17:05,458 --> 00:17:05,833
This is not

1133
00:17:05,833 --> 00:17:07,375
modeling. This is

1134
00:17:07,375 --> 00:17:08,125
not actually

1135
00:17:08,958 --> 00:17:10,750
This is I have

1136
00:17:10,750 --> 00:17:11,750
the number of

1137
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:12,166
fish that were

1138
00:17:12,166 --> 00:17:12,916
caught. I know

1139
00:17:12,916 --> 00:17:13,250
where it was

1140
00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:13,875
caught. I know

1141
00:17:13,875 --> 00:17:15,291
how big they are

1142
00:17:17,833 --> 00:17:18,750
Will this prove

1143
00:17:18,750 --> 00:17:19,583
that this MPA has

1144
00:17:19,583 --> 00:17:20,166
worked it's been

1145
00:17:20,166 --> 00:17:21,125
10 years. Yeah

1146
00:17:22,625 --> 00:17:23,458
And you know,

1147
00:17:23,458 --> 00:17:24,041
I'll give you

1148
00:17:24,041 --> 00:17:24,791
this like on the

1149
00:17:24,791 --> 00:17:26,000
flip side. What

1150
00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:26,500
if we're wrong?

1151
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:27,666
Mm-hmm, you know

1152
00:17:27,666 --> 00:17:28,250
that that's also

1153
00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:28,541
important

1154
00:17:29,083 --> 00:17:30,583
If if there's

1155
00:17:30,583 --> 00:17:31,708
been no change in

1156
00:17:31,708 --> 00:17:32,041
the catch per

1157
00:17:32,041 --> 00:17:32,791
unit effort if

1158
00:17:32,791 --> 00:17:33,166
there's been no

1159
00:17:33,166 --> 00:17:33,583
change in the

1160
00:17:33,583 --> 00:17:34,333
size of the fish

1161
00:17:34,583 --> 00:17:35,958
Has this marine

1162
00:17:35,958 --> 00:17:36,500
protected area

1163
00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:37,083
actually been

1164
00:17:37,083 --> 00:17:38,541
effective? I

1165
00:17:38,541 --> 00:17:38,916
mean, that's it.

1166
00:17:38,916 --> 00:17:39,375
That's the big

1167
00:17:39,375 --> 00:17:39,916
that's the big

1168
00:17:39,916 --> 00:17:40,250
question

1169
00:17:40,250 --> 00:17:40,708
And that's what

1170
00:17:40,708 --> 00:17:41,583
science is for

1171
00:17:41,583 --> 00:17:42,333
right? It's so

1172
00:17:42,333 --> 00:17:43,333
it's you prove

1173
00:17:43,333 --> 00:17:44,083
that whether it

1174
00:17:44,083 --> 00:17:44,708
is or not

1175
00:17:45,083 --> 00:17:45,500
Has it been

1176
00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:45,958
effective

1177
00:17:45,958 --> 00:17:47,083
basically if this

1178
00:17:47,083 --> 00:17:48,500
fish have grown

1179
00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:49,625
on average, you

1180
00:17:49,625 --> 00:17:49,750
know,

1181
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:50,333
they're bigger

1182
00:17:50,333 --> 00:17:51,416
They're they're

1183
00:17:51,416 --> 00:17:51,791
they're longer.

1184
00:17:51,791 --> 00:17:52,500
They're they

1185
00:17:52,500 --> 00:17:53,208
weigh more

1186
00:17:53,583 --> 00:17:54,458
Ideally because

1187
00:17:54,458 --> 00:17:55,000
they haven't been

1188
00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:55,625
touched in 10

1189
00:17:55,625 --> 00:17:56,166
years. So

1190
00:17:56,166 --> 00:17:56,875
they've had a

1191
00:17:57,583 --> 00:17:58,333
Population growth

1192
00:17:58,333 --> 00:17:58,958
and that's the

1193
00:17:58,958 --> 00:17:59,875
beauty about fish

1194
00:17:59,875 --> 00:18:00,958
is that you can

1195
00:18:00,958 --> 00:18:01,833
see that that

1196
00:18:01,833 --> 00:18:02,458
difference pretty

1197
00:18:02,458 --> 00:18:03,541
quickly and we've

1198
00:18:03,541 --> 00:18:03,833
seen that

1199
00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:04,083
in other

1200
00:18:04,291 --> 00:18:05,791
MPAs this one

1201
00:18:05,791 --> 00:18:06,250
that would be

1202
00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:06,666
probably the

1203
00:18:06,666 --> 00:18:07,041
first in the

1204
00:18:07,041 --> 00:18:07,708
Pacific where we

1205
00:18:07,708 --> 00:18:08,375
have this kind of

1206
00:18:08,375 --> 00:18:09,000
long-term study

1207
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:09,666
Did they have

1208
00:18:09,666 --> 00:18:10,541
information on

1209
00:18:10,541 --> 00:18:11,250
that like because

1210
00:18:11,250 --> 00:18:12,333
Noah has always

1211
00:18:12,333 --> 00:18:12,875
been good with

1212
00:18:12,875 --> 00:18:13,583
information and

1213
00:18:13,583 --> 00:18:13,875
sharing

1214
00:18:13,875 --> 00:18:14,375
information

1215
00:18:14,416 --> 00:18:15,250
Do they have

1216
00:18:15,250 --> 00:18:15,958
information on

1217
00:18:15,958 --> 00:18:16,166
those

1218
00:18:16,166 --> 00:18:17,000
fish before?

1219
00:18:18,041 --> 00:18:19,000
This MPa went in

1220
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:19,666
before fishing.

1221
00:18:19,666 --> 00:18:20,875
There is yeah,

1222
00:18:20,875 --> 00:18:22,000
there it used to

1223
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:22,875
all be online. I

1224
00:18:22,875 --> 00:18:23,333
don't know if it

1225
00:18:23,333 --> 00:18:24,125
still is right

1226
00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:25,500
But the data is

1227
00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:26,166
there somewhere

1228
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:27,791
Yeah, this part

1229
00:18:27,791 --> 00:18:28,958
of the Pacific is

1230
00:18:28,958 --> 00:18:29,250
called the

1231
00:18:29,250 --> 00:18:29,791
Pacific remote

1232
00:18:29,791 --> 00:18:30,625
islands area.

1233
00:18:31,083 --> 00:18:31,958
Yeah, and then

1234
00:18:31,958 --> 00:18:32,375
the long

1235
00:18:32,375 --> 00:18:33,083
line data

1236
00:18:33,791 --> 00:18:34,833
That was online.

1237
00:18:34,833 --> 00:18:35,375
It used to be

1238
00:18:35,375 --> 00:18:35,916
broken up.

1239
00:18:35,916 --> 00:18:36,708
There's the main

1240
00:18:36,708 --> 00:18:37,500
Hawaiian Islands.

1241
00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:38,041
There's the

1242
00:18:38,041 --> 00:18:38,375
Northwest

1243
00:18:38,375 --> 00:18:39,208
Hawaiian Islands

1244
00:18:39,208 --> 00:18:39,833
There's the

1245
00:18:39,833 --> 00:18:40,375
Pacific remote

1246
00:18:40,375 --> 00:18:41,375
islands area and

1247
00:18:41,375 --> 00:18:41,791
then there's the

1248
00:18:41,791 --> 00:18:42,333
high seas

1249
00:18:42,708 --> 00:18:43,416
and so it's

1250
00:18:43,416 --> 00:18:44,000
actually it's

1251
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:44,166
really

1252
00:18:44,166 --> 00:18:44,958
interesting to go

1253
00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:45,625
into that data

1254
00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:46,416
and you know and

1255
00:18:46,416 --> 00:18:46,875
see the ebb

1256
00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:48,166
and flow of

1257
00:18:48,333 --> 00:18:49,000
You know, what

1258
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:49,166
are they

1259
00:18:49,166 --> 00:18:49,708
catching? How

1260
00:18:49,708 --> 00:18:50,208
many sharks are

1261
00:18:50,208 --> 00:18:50,750
they catching?

1262
00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:51,166
What's your bike

1263
00:18:51,166 --> 00:18:52,500
edge? Yeah, and

1264
00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:54,166
I'd like I'm

1265
00:18:54,166 --> 00:18:54,291
pretty

1266
00:18:54,291 --> 00:18:54,708
sure there's

1267
00:18:55,375 --> 00:18:57,208
20 30 years of

1268
00:18:57,208 --> 00:18:57,750
that data

1269
00:18:58,416 --> 00:18:59,500
That that one

1270
00:18:59,500 --> 00:19:00,166
could look at so

1271
00:19:00,166 --> 00:19:00,916
yeah, it's really

1272
00:19:00,916 --> 00:19:01,500
incredible. You

1273
00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:01,958
can look at the

1274
00:19:01,958 --> 00:19:02,208
fisheries

1275
00:19:02,208 --> 00:19:02,958
data before

1276
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:04,708
You know, there's

1277
00:19:04,708 --> 00:19:05,291
no fisheries data

1278
00:19:05,291 --> 00:19:05,916
while it's

1279
00:19:05,916 --> 00:19:06,750
protected right

1280
00:19:06,750 --> 00:19:07,375
then we've got

1281
00:19:07,375 --> 00:19:07,958
these couple of

1282
00:19:07,958 --> 00:19:09,375
months. Yeah

1283
00:19:09,375 --> 00:19:09,708
You know and

1284
00:19:09,708 --> 00:19:10,375
again, you know,

1285
00:19:10,375 --> 00:19:11,291
it's a small

1286
00:19:11,291 --> 00:19:11,833
small chunk.

1287
00:19:11,833 --> 00:19:12,083
Yeah.

1288
00:19:12,083 --> 00:19:12,666
Yeah for sure

1289
00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:13,666
You know, there's

1290
00:19:13,666 --> 00:19:14,750
these fish may be

1291
00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:15,125
seasonal,

1292
00:19:15,125 --> 00:19:16,000
you know

1293
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:16,500
What was the

1294
00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:17,166
water temperature

1295
00:19:17,166 --> 00:19:18,125
or is it an El

1296
00:19:18,125 --> 00:19:18,875
Nino year? Like,

1297
00:19:18,875 --> 00:19:19,208
you know, there's

1298
00:19:19,208 --> 00:19:19,750
a lot of there's

1299
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:20,000
a lot of

1300
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:20,708
variables there

1301
00:19:20,708 --> 00:19:22,750
But there's

1302
00:19:22,750 --> 00:19:23,666
something yeah

1303
00:19:24,541 --> 00:19:25,500
There's also

1304
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:27,916
Some social

1305
00:19:27,916 --> 00:19:28,500
science that

1306
00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:28,958
could be done,

1307
00:19:28,958 --> 00:19:30,875
you know before

1308
00:19:30,875 --> 00:19:31,500
the opening

1309
00:19:32,083 --> 00:19:32,958
There were a lot

1310
00:19:32,958 --> 00:19:33,708
of claims that

1311
00:19:33,708 --> 00:19:34,083
there would be

1312
00:19:34,083 --> 00:19:34,916
social and health

1313
00:19:34,916 --> 00:19:35,541
benefits for

1314
00:19:35,541 --> 00:19:36,291
American Samoa

1315
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,500
There there's a

1316
00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:39,541
cannery there

1317
00:19:39,791 --> 00:19:41,000
and

1318
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,375
You know one of

1319
00:19:42,375 --> 00:19:43,000
the arguments for

1320
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:43,708
opening it is

1321
00:19:43,708 --> 00:19:44,416
that you know

1322
00:19:44,416 --> 00:19:45,041
opening up these

1323
00:19:45,041 --> 00:19:46,250
areas to fishing

1324
00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:48,125
would support the

1325
00:19:48,125 --> 00:19:49,458
American Samoan

1326
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,041
Economy and the

1327
00:19:52,041 --> 00:19:52,375
community

1328
00:19:53,125 --> 00:19:54,375
And I'm not a

1329
00:19:54,375 --> 00:19:55,041
social scientist

1330
00:19:55,041 --> 00:19:56,041
right but there

1331
00:19:56,041 --> 00:19:56,291
are social

1332
00:19:56,291 --> 00:19:57,291
scientists who

1333
00:19:57,291 --> 00:19:58,583
may have ideas on

1334
00:19:59,083 --> 00:20:00,041
How do we how do

1335
00:20:00,041 --> 00:20:00,791
we study this? I

1336
00:20:00,791 --> 00:20:01,708
mean, can we do

1337
00:20:01,708 --> 00:20:02,541
interviews? Can

1338
00:20:02,541 --> 00:20:02,958
we look at some

1339
00:20:02,958 --> 00:20:03,125
of the

1340
00:20:03,125 --> 00:20:04,041
economic data?

1341
00:20:04,875 --> 00:20:05,666
When it was

1342
00:20:05,666 --> 00:20:07,291
opened was more

1343
00:20:07,291 --> 00:20:08,875
fish delivered to

1344
00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:09,500
the cannery?

1345
00:20:10,958 --> 00:20:12,000
And again, you know

1346
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,041
complicated yeah

1347
00:20:13,666 --> 00:20:15,375
There's there's

1348
00:20:15,375 --> 00:20:16,083
these tariffs

1349
00:20:16,125 --> 00:20:17,041
You may have

1350
00:20:17,041 --> 00:20:17,750
heard of in the I

1351
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:18,083
haven't heard

1352
00:20:18,083 --> 00:20:18,750
yeah, not much

1353
00:20:18,750 --> 00:20:19,708
about it.

1354
00:20:19,708 --> 00:20:20,166
Yeah, yeah

1355
00:20:20,541 --> 00:20:21,583
It's possible

1356
00:20:21,583 --> 00:20:22,458
that these

1357
00:20:22,458 --> 00:20:23,416
tariffs are more

1358
00:20:23,416 --> 00:20:24,708
influential than

1359
00:20:24,708 --> 00:20:25,166
like the

1360
00:20:25,166 --> 00:20:25,916
actual fishing

1361
00:20:26,208 --> 00:20:27,208
And again, I'm

1362
00:20:27,208 --> 00:20:27,833
not an economist,

1363
00:20:27,833 --> 00:20:28,333
but you know,

1364
00:20:28,333 --> 00:20:29,208
there are people

1365
00:20:29,208 --> 00:20:29,875
who can

1366
00:20:29,875 --> 00:20:30,541
study this

1367
00:20:31,041 --> 00:20:32,291
But I recently

1368
00:20:32,291 --> 00:20:33,916
had a short piece

1369
00:20:33,916 --> 00:20:35,625
appear in nature

1370
00:20:36,208 --> 00:20:37,125
The Journal of

1371
00:20:37,125 --> 00:20:37,958
Nature by the

1372
00:20:37,958 --> 00:20:38,625
way, okay guys,

1373
00:20:38,625 --> 00:20:39,916
that's huge. Like

1374
00:20:39,916 --> 00:20:40,333
that's a big

1375
00:20:40,333 --> 00:20:40,791
that's a big

1376
00:20:40,791 --> 00:20:41,208
that's a

1377
00:20:41,208 --> 00:20:41,750
big paper

1378
00:20:42,041 --> 00:20:42,166
I

1379
00:20:43,916 --> 00:20:45,000
collaborated with

1380
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,083
two of the MPa

1381
00:20:46,083 --> 00:20:47,291
guide scientists,

1382
00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:48,916
dr. Kirsten and

1383
00:20:48,916 --> 00:20:49,416
dr. Jenna

1384
00:20:49,416 --> 00:20:51,083
and then

1385
00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:53,166
Dr. Steven who's

1386
00:20:53,166 --> 00:20:53,791
one of my

1387
00:20:53,791 --> 00:20:54,791
collaborators

1388
00:20:54,791 --> 00:20:55,541
collaborators on

1389
00:20:55,541 --> 00:20:56,250
many projects.

1390
00:20:56,250 --> 00:20:58,416
He's from Saipan

1391
00:20:58,416 --> 00:20:59,208
Yeah, he's native

1392
00:20:59,208 --> 00:21:00,291
Hawaiian and he's

1393
00:21:00,291 --> 00:21:00,875
now a professor

1394
00:21:00,875 --> 00:21:01,416
at Cornell

1395
00:21:01,416 --> 00:21:03,500
And that was

1396
00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:04,000
basically just

1397
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:04,583
our claim is like

1398
00:21:04,583 --> 00:21:05,500
hey, you know,

1399
00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:06,083
we're scientists.

1400
00:21:06,083 --> 00:21:07,000
Let's go science

1401
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,666
Yeah now now with

1402
00:21:08,666 --> 00:21:10,291
this like who do

1403
00:21:10,291 --> 00:21:10,666
you like?

1404
00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:11,875
normally

1405
00:21:12,166 --> 00:21:13,666
It'd be Noah that

1406
00:21:13,666 --> 00:21:14,291
would gather this

1407
00:21:14,291 --> 00:21:15,166
data right and

1408
00:21:15,166 --> 00:21:15,500
they would put

1409
00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:16,000
out technical

1410
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,166
reports and so

1411
00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:17,875
forth and then

1412
00:21:17,875 --> 00:21:18,041
they would

1413
00:21:18,041 --> 00:21:18,750
look at that

1414
00:21:19,875 --> 00:21:20,916
So I guess the

1415
00:21:20,916 --> 00:21:21,708
first question is

1416
00:21:21,708 --> 00:21:22,458
how has

1417
00:21:22,458 --> 00:21:23,041
there been?

1418
00:21:23,666 --> 00:21:24,541
Has has have

1419
00:21:24,541 --> 00:21:25,250
researchers been

1420
00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:25,958
allowed in there

1421
00:21:25,958 --> 00:21:27,250
to look at the

1422
00:21:27,250 --> 00:21:28,208
stock while it

1423
00:21:28,208 --> 00:21:29,041
was closed down?

1424
00:21:29,458 --> 00:21:29,833
Because sometimes

1425
00:21:29,833 --> 00:21:30,250
they're allowed

1426
00:21:30,250 --> 00:21:30,625
and sometimes

1427
00:21:30,625 --> 00:21:31,041
they're not.

1428
00:21:31,375 --> 00:21:31,833
Yeah, no

1429
00:21:31,833 --> 00:21:32,791
there was um

1430
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:34,708
There has been

1431
00:21:34,708 --> 00:21:35,291
some research

1432
00:21:35,291 --> 00:21:35,791
fish fishing

1433
00:21:36,666 --> 00:21:38,375
And I like even

1434
00:21:38,375 --> 00:21:38,958
this year there

1435
00:21:38,958 --> 00:21:39,833
was a permit that

1436
00:21:39,833 --> 00:21:40,500
was submitted to

1437
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,208
do some research

1438
00:21:41,208 --> 00:21:42,333
fishing inside

1439
00:21:43,166 --> 00:21:43,958
The protected

1440
00:21:43,958 --> 00:21:45,583
area. So there is

1441
00:21:45,583 --> 00:21:46,125
some stuff

1442
00:21:46,125 --> 00:21:46,500
out there

1443
00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:46,916
Yeah

1444
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:47,750
Just to look at

1445
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:48,625
that size as it's

1446
00:21:48,625 --> 00:21:49,083
kind of grown

1447
00:21:49,083 --> 00:21:50,000
over the 10 years

1448
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:50,541
or if they've

1449
00:21:50,541 --> 00:21:51,125
grown over that

1450
00:21:51,125 --> 00:21:51,875
over that

1451
00:21:51,875 --> 00:21:52,291
10 years

1452
00:21:52,291 --> 00:21:52,791
The other

1453
00:21:52,791 --> 00:21:53,166
question is like

1454
00:21:53,166 --> 00:21:53,833
since no one

1455
00:21:53,833 --> 00:21:54,166
normally

1456
00:21:54,166 --> 00:21:55,000
does this

1457
00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:57,375
Is there a worry

1458
00:21:57,375 --> 00:21:58,083
that like like

1459
00:21:58,083 --> 00:21:58,416
has the

1460
00:21:58,416 --> 00:21:58,875
government ever

1461
00:21:58,875 --> 00:21:59,583
said that they're

1462
00:21:59,583 --> 00:22:00,291
gonna look at

1463
00:22:00,291 --> 00:22:01,125
this data like

1464
00:22:01,125 --> 00:22:01,708
like the

1465
00:22:01,708 --> 00:22:02,375
government now?

1466
00:22:02,375 --> 00:22:02,875
Like that's in

1467
00:22:02,875 --> 00:22:03,375
that's in

1468
00:22:03,375 --> 00:22:04,000
power. So

1469
00:22:04,291 --> 00:22:05,000
the short

1470
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:05,916
answer is

1471
00:22:06,541 --> 00:22:07,208
Like we're

1472
00:22:07,208 --> 00:22:08,041
in trouble

1473
00:22:09,291 --> 00:22:09,750
Something like

1474
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:11,458
one in four Noah

1475
00:22:11,458 --> 00:22:12,875
employees who

1476
00:22:12,875 --> 00:22:13,750
work there in

1477
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:14,875
January no longer

1478
00:22:14,875 --> 00:22:15,333
work for the

1479
00:22:15,333 --> 00:22:16,250
agency, right?

1480
00:22:16,625 --> 00:22:17,833
And then with the

1481
00:22:17,833 --> 00:22:18,666
doge cuts

1482
00:22:19,291 --> 00:22:20,125
There have just

1483
00:22:20,125 --> 00:22:21,083
been cuts all

1484
00:22:21,083 --> 00:22:22,583
across the agency

1485
00:22:22,583 --> 00:22:23,250
and I have

1486
00:22:23,833 --> 00:22:25,083
Numerous friends

1487
00:22:25,083 --> 00:22:25,625
and colleagues

1488
00:22:25,625 --> 00:22:26,208
who are out of

1489
00:22:26,208 --> 00:22:27,541
work. We're not

1490
00:22:27,541 --> 00:22:28,416
who no longer

1491
00:22:28,416 --> 00:22:28,916
serve in our

1492
00:22:28,916 --> 00:22:29,458
government. So

1493
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:32,375
You know, I think

1494
00:22:32,375 --> 00:22:32,583
this is

1495
00:22:32,583 --> 00:22:33,250
important. I

1496
00:22:33,250 --> 00:22:34,000
think this is a

1497
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:34,541
global. I think

1498
00:22:34,541 --> 00:22:35,125
this is globally

1499
00:22:35,125 --> 00:22:35,500
important

1500
00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:36,416
So trying to call

1501
00:22:36,416 --> 00:22:37,333
attention to it

1502
00:22:38,708 --> 00:22:39,541
The government

1503
00:22:39,541 --> 00:22:40,250
has so much

1504
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:41,250
money, you know,

1505
00:22:41,250 --> 00:22:42,083
the US government

1506
00:22:42,083 --> 00:22:43,416
budget last year

1507
00:22:43,416 --> 00:22:44,000
was like six

1508
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,166
billion dollars

1509
00:22:45,708 --> 00:22:46,750
In philanthropy

1510
00:22:46,750 --> 00:22:47,750
just sorry six

1511
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:48,333
trillion

1512
00:22:48,333 --> 00:22:57,125
Six trillion

1513
00:22:57,125 --> 00:22:58,625
dollars in Noah

1514
00:22:58,666 --> 00:22:59,750
Had the

1515
00:22:59,750 --> 00:23:00,375
government has

1516
00:23:00,375 --> 00:23:01,541
more money than

1517
00:23:01,541 --> 00:23:02,166
philanthropy. So

1518
00:23:02,166 --> 00:23:03,000
philanthropy

1519
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,375
cannot

1520
00:23:04,291 --> 00:23:04,791
back end

1521
00:23:04,791 --> 00:23:05,458
all of this

1522
00:23:06,083 --> 00:23:07,125
but I I

1523
00:23:07,125 --> 00:23:08,458
think that

1524
00:23:09,458 --> 00:23:10,208
There there

1525
00:23:10,208 --> 00:23:11,208
could be some

1526
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:12,625
discrete pieces

1527
00:23:12,625 --> 00:23:13,083
that we could

1528
00:23:13,083 --> 00:23:14,500
look at and one

1529
00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:15,083
of those discrete

1530
00:23:15,083 --> 00:23:15,708
pieces that I

1531
00:23:15,708 --> 00:23:16,500
would want to say

1532
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:18,666
is how does

1533
00:23:19,083 --> 00:23:19,625
that

1534
00:23:19,625 --> 00:23:20,625
fisheries data

1535
00:23:21,083 --> 00:23:22,291
compare to

1536
00:23:23,583 --> 00:23:25,208
Now because like

1537
00:23:26,166 --> 00:23:26,541
Science is

1538
00:23:26,541 --> 00:23:27,166
happening in real

1539
00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:28,500
time. It's

1540
00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:29,125
closed again

1541
00:23:29,791 --> 00:23:30,583
It's probably

1542
00:23:30,583 --> 00:23:31,125
gonna be opened

1543
00:23:31,125 --> 00:23:32,500
again, right?

1544
00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:32,875
Yeah, we'll talk

1545
00:23:32,875 --> 00:23:33,291
about that in

1546
00:23:33,291 --> 00:23:33,916
just a second

1547
00:23:33,916 --> 00:23:34,791
Even if we get

1548
00:23:34,791 --> 00:23:35,333
the you know, get

1549
00:23:35,333 --> 00:23:36,000
the plant in

1550
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,708
place like we

1551
00:23:36,708 --> 00:23:37,416
still need to

1552
00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:38,041
study the future

1553
00:23:38,875 --> 00:23:39,958
And then I also

1554
00:23:39,958 --> 00:23:40,958
think this the

1555
00:23:40,958 --> 00:23:41,583
socioeconomic

1556
00:23:41,583 --> 00:23:42,708
stuff needs to be

1557
00:23:42,708 --> 00:23:42,916
better

1558
00:23:42,916 --> 00:23:44,833
understood because

1559
00:23:46,375 --> 00:23:47,666
There this is

1560
00:23:47,666 --> 00:23:48,500
still a very

1561
00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:49,000
controversial

1562
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:49,708
protected area

1563
00:23:49,791 --> 00:23:51,208
You know, there

1564
00:23:51,208 --> 00:23:51,666
are some folks

1565
00:23:51,666 --> 00:23:52,125
who would like to

1566
00:23:52,125 --> 00:23:53,041
see it enlarged

1567
00:23:53,458 --> 00:23:54,166
There are some

1568
00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:54,583
people who are

1569
00:23:54,583 --> 00:23:55,000
kind of happy

1570
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:55,750
with what it is

1571
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:56,250
and want to see

1572
00:23:56,250 --> 00:23:56,916
the management be

1573
00:23:56,916 --> 00:23:58,208
put in place

1574
00:23:58,708 --> 00:23:59,958
So people have

1575
00:23:59,958 --> 00:24:00,416
very strong

1576
00:24:00,416 --> 00:24:00,958
feelings about

1577
00:24:00,958 --> 00:24:02,333
this and

1578
00:24:02,333 --> 00:24:03,000
there's been

1579
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:04,500
Some social

1580
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:05,500
science work

1581
00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:06,000
around the

1582
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:06,500
Mariana trench

1583
00:24:06,500 --> 00:24:07,541
monument. Yeah,

1584
00:24:07,541 --> 00:24:07,875
there's been a

1585
00:24:07,875 --> 00:24:09,166
lot around the

1586
00:24:09,166 --> 00:24:10,291
papahana mukuakea

1587
00:24:10,291 --> 00:24:10,625
monument

1588
00:24:10,625 --> 00:24:11,416
up in Hawaii

1589
00:24:11,916 --> 00:24:13,125
But but I think

1590
00:24:13,125 --> 00:24:13,875
there's

1591
00:24:13,875 --> 00:24:14,541
opportunities for

1592
00:24:14,541 --> 00:24:15,500
social scientists

1593
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:16,708
to study this

1594
00:24:17,166 --> 00:24:17,791
And it's

1595
00:24:17,791 --> 00:24:18,250
complicated

1596
00:24:18,250 --> 00:24:19,500
because you know,

1597
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:20,541
this is it kind

1598
00:24:20,541 --> 00:24:21,041
of appears

1599
00:24:21,041 --> 00:24:22,125
between Hawaii

1600
00:24:22,125 --> 00:24:23,000
Mariana's

1601
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,708
Micronesia

1602
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:24,750
American Samoa

1603
00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:26,333
and it's it's a

1604
00:24:26,333 --> 00:24:27,000
public trust

1605
00:24:27,375 --> 00:24:28,750
It's not owned by

1606
00:24:28,750 --> 00:24:30,083
any one group of

1607
00:24:30,083 --> 00:24:31,458
Americans. It's

1608
00:24:31,458 --> 00:24:32,333
owned by all of

1609
00:24:32,333 --> 00:24:33,166
the Americans

1610
00:24:34,125 --> 00:24:34,833
in the

1611
00:24:34,833 --> 00:24:35,500
entire country

1612
00:24:36,375 --> 00:24:37,541
And I just think

1613
00:24:37,541 --> 00:24:38,041
there could be

1614
00:24:38,041 --> 00:24:38,416
some greater

1615
00:24:38,416 --> 00:24:38,958
understanding

1616
00:24:38,958 --> 00:24:39,708
that scientists

1617
00:24:39,708 --> 00:24:40,958
could bring to

1618
00:24:40,958 --> 00:24:41,916
what's going on

1619
00:24:42,333 --> 00:24:42,958
To make

1620
00:24:42,958 --> 00:24:43,458
recommendations

1621
00:24:43,458 --> 00:24:44,416
on how we move

1622
00:24:44,416 --> 00:24:44,958
into the future.

1623
00:24:44,958 --> 00:24:46,583
Yeah, I agree

1624
00:24:46,625 --> 00:24:47,750
I think it I mean

1625
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:48,833
it'd be a study

1626
00:24:48,833 --> 00:24:49,375
of a lifetime

1627
00:24:49,375 --> 00:24:50,125
really looking at

1628
00:24:50,125 --> 00:24:51,208
that size of an

1629
00:24:51,208 --> 00:24:52,083
area closed down

1630
00:24:52,083 --> 00:24:52,833
for ten years

1631
00:24:53,291 --> 00:24:54,166
Being able to

1632
00:24:54,166 --> 00:24:54,916
study it whether

1633
00:24:54,916 --> 00:24:55,458
it be a

1634
00:24:55,458 --> 00:24:56,333
collaboration of

1635
00:24:56,333 --> 00:24:57,000
academics

1636
00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:58,041
philanthropists

1637
00:24:58,041 --> 00:24:58,500
government

1638
00:24:59,208 --> 00:24:59,958
Even for the

1639
00:24:59,958 --> 00:25:00,333
government I

1640
00:25:00,333 --> 00:25:01,000
would I would

1641
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:01,541
imagine they

1642
00:25:01,541 --> 00:25:02,458
would like to see

1643
00:25:02,458 --> 00:25:03,208
if this thing

1644
00:25:03,208 --> 00:25:04,541
works or not

1645
00:25:05,416 --> 00:25:06,333
You know just

1646
00:25:06,333 --> 00:25:07,291
from a from a

1647
00:25:07,291 --> 00:25:08,166
point of view of

1648
00:25:08,166 --> 00:25:09,083
you know

1649
00:25:09,083 --> 00:25:10,166
Where is the best

1650
00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:10,916
way forward if

1651
00:25:10,916 --> 00:25:11,375
you want to be

1652
00:25:11,375 --> 00:25:12,583
the top fishing

1653
00:25:12,583 --> 00:25:13,333
nation in the

1654
00:25:13,333 --> 00:25:13,583
Pacific?

1655
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:14,583
Wouldn't it be

1656
00:25:14,583 --> 00:25:15,500
good to have

1657
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:16,541
great fish that's

1658
00:25:16,541 --> 00:25:16,916
available

1659
00:25:17,416 --> 00:25:18,416
Year after year

1660
00:25:18,416 --> 00:25:18,958
after year

1661
00:25:18,958 --> 00:25:19,750
instead of having

1662
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:20,833
trouble later on

1663
00:25:20,833 --> 00:25:21,958
after your catch

1664
00:25:21,958 --> 00:25:22,541
per unit effort

1665
00:25:22,541 --> 00:25:23,208
goes down

1666
00:25:23,416 --> 00:25:23,791
You know trying

1667
00:25:23,791 --> 00:25:24,333
to catch these

1668
00:25:24,333 --> 00:25:25,500
fish. So

1669
00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:26,000
obviously that's

1670
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,291
a that's

1671
00:25:26,291 --> 00:25:26,625
a big deal

1672
00:25:27,291 --> 00:25:28,416
Let's talk about

1673
00:25:28,416 --> 00:25:29,333
I'd like to talk

1674
00:25:29,333 --> 00:25:29,791
a little bit

1675
00:25:29,791 --> 00:25:30,458
about and we've

1676
00:25:30,458 --> 00:25:30,958
talked about this

1677
00:25:30,958 --> 00:25:31,750
before when

1678
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:32,041
you've been on

1679
00:25:32,041 --> 00:25:32,625
the podcast

1680
00:25:32,625 --> 00:25:33,166
But I want to

1681
00:25:33,166 --> 00:25:34,041
reiterate this

1682
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:35,375
There's been a

1683
00:25:35,375 --> 00:25:36,250
when we go into

1684
00:25:36,250 --> 00:25:36,916
the designation

1685
00:25:36,916 --> 00:25:37,875
of these marine

1686
00:25:37,875 --> 00:25:38,625
sanctuaries,

1687
00:25:38,625 --> 00:25:39,791
especially in the

1688
00:25:39,791 --> 00:25:40,708
Pacific area

1689
00:25:41,375 --> 00:25:41,750
Pacific

1690
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:43,291
Ocean for the US

1691
00:25:43,958 --> 00:25:45,041
It's it seems to

1692
00:25:45,041 --> 00:25:45,583
always be

1693
00:25:45,583 --> 00:25:47,000
designated by a

1694
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:47,666
president. So

1695
00:25:47,666 --> 00:25:48,500
George W Bush.

1696
00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:49,000
Yeah,

1697
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:49,750
Barack Obama

1698
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:50,500
even the changes

1699
00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:51,291
to it has

1700
00:25:51,291 --> 00:25:51,916
been done by

1701
00:25:52,833 --> 00:25:53,958
You know by by

1702
00:25:53,958 --> 00:25:55,333
Donald Trump and

1703
00:25:55,333 --> 00:25:56,500
and it seems like

1704
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:56,833
you can just

1705
00:25:56,833 --> 00:25:57,250
change on

1706
00:25:57,250 --> 00:25:57,666
the whim

1707
00:25:57,708 --> 00:25:58,583
You know, it

1708
00:25:58,583 --> 00:25:59,791
doesn't seem like

1709
00:25:59,791 --> 00:26:00,416
it's a good

1710
00:26:00,416 --> 00:26:01,500
long-term plan

1711
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:02,250
You would think

1712
00:26:02,250 --> 00:26:02,833
normally

1713
00:26:02,833 --> 00:26:03,500
presidents would

1714
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:04,875
really like, you

1715
00:26:04,875 --> 00:26:05,166
know at the end

1716
00:26:05,166 --> 00:26:06,041
of the George

1717
00:26:06,041 --> 00:26:06,625
Bush area

1718
00:26:06,625 --> 00:26:07,375
He wasn't a very

1719
00:26:07,375 --> 00:26:07,791
environmentally

1720
00:26:07,791 --> 00:26:08,166
focused

1721
00:26:08,375 --> 00:26:08,791
But my

1722
00:26:08,791 --> 00:26:09,625
understanding is

1723
00:26:09,625 --> 00:26:10,208
that his wife

1724
00:26:10,208 --> 00:26:11,458
really enjoyed

1725
00:26:11,458 --> 00:26:12,583
the ocean really

1726
00:26:12,583 --> 00:26:13,000
enjoyed

1727
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,041
protection of

1728
00:26:14,041 --> 00:26:14,375
environment

1729
00:26:14,541 --> 00:26:15,541
So that was the

1730
00:26:15,541 --> 00:26:15,833
the influence

1731
00:26:15,833 --> 00:26:16,250
there and that

1732
00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:16,958
was sort of like

1733
00:26:16,958 --> 00:26:18,208
his legacy at the

1734
00:26:18,208 --> 00:26:19,041
end of that of

1735
00:26:19,041 --> 00:26:20,166
his second term

1736
00:26:20,166 --> 00:26:20,625
To be able

1737
00:26:20,625 --> 00:26:21,625
to do that

1738
00:26:22,583 --> 00:26:23,875
Barack Obama did

1739
00:26:23,875 --> 00:26:24,333
he do in his

1740
00:26:24,333 --> 00:26:25,625
first term or

1741
00:26:25,625 --> 00:26:27,000
second term?

1742
00:26:27,708 --> 00:26:28,125
Second

1743
00:26:28,125 --> 00:26:28,833
second second

1744
00:26:29,125 --> 00:26:30,041
So again, like it

1745
00:26:30,041 --> 00:26:30,708
seems like more

1746
00:26:30,708 --> 00:26:31,541
of a I'm gonna

1747
00:26:31,541 --> 00:26:32,416
leave this legacy

1748
00:26:32,416 --> 00:26:33,125
of environmental

1749
00:26:33,125 --> 00:26:33,375
protection

1750
00:26:34,291 --> 00:26:35,541
And and see and

1751
00:26:35,541 --> 00:26:36,083
see where that

1752
00:26:36,083 --> 00:26:36,625
goes. It seems

1753
00:26:36,625 --> 00:26:37,416
like now it's

1754
00:26:37,416 --> 00:26:37,791
just more

1755
00:26:37,791 --> 00:26:38,541
of a I want

1756
00:26:38,541 --> 00:26:39,625
We want the US to

1757
00:26:39,625 --> 00:26:40,250
be the best at

1758
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:41,000
everything and

1759
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:41,583
fisheries is

1760
00:26:41,583 --> 00:26:42,041
gonna be

1761
00:26:42,041 --> 00:26:43,083
another thing

1762
00:26:43,125 --> 00:26:44,000
But presidents

1763
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,791
can kind of go

1764
00:26:44,791 --> 00:26:45,500
back and forth

1765
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:46,041
and whether they

1766
00:26:46,041 --> 00:26:46,541
want to either

1767
00:26:46,541 --> 00:26:47,583
expand it can

1768
00:26:47,583 --> 00:26:48,625
keep it the same

1769
00:26:48,625 --> 00:26:49,500
or take away

1770
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:50,583
Some protections

1771
00:26:50,583 --> 00:26:52,083
that leaves these

1772
00:26:52,083 --> 00:26:52,500
marine

1773
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:53,750
sanctuaries plus

1774
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:54,500
the people that

1775
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:55,250
benefit from

1776
00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:55,708
these marine

1777
00:26:55,708 --> 00:26:56,375
sanctuaries,

1778
00:26:56,375 --> 00:26:57,250
you know

1779
00:26:57,541 --> 00:26:57,916
vulnerable

1780
00:26:57,916 --> 00:26:58,708
to changes

1781
00:27:00,375 --> 00:27:01,833
Is it like is

1782
00:27:01,833 --> 00:27:02,750
there a way that

1783
00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:03,666
that the laws can

1784
00:27:03,666 --> 00:27:06,125
be more stringent

1785
00:27:06,125 --> 00:27:07,625
of of being

1786
00:27:07,625 --> 00:27:08,416
actually being

1787
00:27:08,416 --> 00:27:09,000
changed?

1788
00:27:10,541 --> 00:27:11,500
So I wish I could

1789
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:12,375
say it was

1790
00:27:12,375 --> 00:27:12,958
unprecedented

1791
00:27:12,958 --> 00:27:14,416
that a president

1792
00:27:14,416 --> 00:27:15,375
would roll back

1793
00:27:15,375 --> 00:27:15,916
and other

1794
00:27:15,916 --> 00:27:16,333
presidents

1795
00:27:16,333 --> 00:27:17,125
protected areas

1796
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:18,500
But this happened

1797
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:19,958
before under the

1798
00:27:19,958 --> 00:27:20,541
first Trump

1799
00:27:20,541 --> 00:27:21,041
administration,

1800
00:27:21,041 --> 00:27:21,625
right?

1801
00:27:21,958 --> 00:27:22,833
But in the United

1802
00:27:22,833 --> 00:27:24,458
States is and I

1803
00:27:24,458 --> 00:27:25,000
was trying to say

1804
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:25,208
this as

1805
00:27:25,208 --> 00:27:25,583
nice as I can

1806
00:27:25,625 --> 00:27:27,166
The United States

1807
00:27:27,166 --> 00:27:27,875
is in a

1808
00:27:27,875 --> 00:27:29,000
transition moment

1809
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,458
where the future

1810
00:27:31,458 --> 00:27:31,833
of the

1811
00:27:31,833 --> 00:27:32,541
United States

1812
00:27:32,958 --> 00:27:33,833
Stands on a

1813
00:27:33,833 --> 00:27:34,916
precipice of like

1814
00:27:34,916 --> 00:27:35,666
we're going to

1815
00:27:35,666 --> 00:27:36,041
kind of a

1816
00:27:36,041 --> 00:27:36,791
dark place

1817
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:38,708
And this this

1818
00:27:38,708 --> 00:27:39,250
relates to our

1819
00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:39,875
public lands and

1820
00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:41,208
waters. So for

1821
00:27:41,208 --> 00:27:41,583
the last

1822
00:27:41,583 --> 00:27:42,333
hundred years

1823
00:27:42,583 --> 00:27:43,833
And the law that

1824
00:27:43,833 --> 00:27:44,250
you're talking

1825
00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:44,791
about that the

1826
00:27:44,791 --> 00:27:45,708
president uses to

1827
00:27:45,708 --> 00:27:47,666
protect lands and

1828
00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:48,000
waters

1829
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,625
and you know

1830
00:27:48,625 --> 00:27:49,291
The Grand Canyon

1831
00:27:49,291 --> 00:27:49,916
was protected

1832
00:27:49,916 --> 00:27:50,541
with this law

1833
00:27:51,541 --> 00:27:53,500
And many other

1834
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:54,125
national

1835
00:27:54,125 --> 00:27:55,125
monuments and

1836
00:27:55,125 --> 00:27:55,916
national parks

1837
00:27:55,916 --> 00:27:57,125
began with this

1838
00:27:57,125 --> 00:27:58,000
Antiquities Act

1839
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000
designation and

1840
00:28:00,625 --> 00:28:01,416
for most

1841
00:28:01,416 --> 00:28:02,000
of history

1842
00:28:02,666 --> 00:28:03,375
Presidents did

1843
00:28:03,375 --> 00:28:04,000
not overturn

1844
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,791
things that other

1845
00:28:04,791 --> 00:28:05,375
presidents had

1846
00:28:05,375 --> 00:28:06,708
recognized and

1847
00:28:06,708 --> 00:28:08,416
these these lands

1848
00:28:08,583 --> 00:28:09,250
You know

1849
00:28:09,250 --> 00:28:09,958
initially some of

1850
00:28:09,958 --> 00:28:10,333
them were just

1851
00:28:10,333 --> 00:28:10,875
protected as

1852
00:28:10,875 --> 00:28:11,791
scenic landscapes

1853
00:28:11,916 --> 00:28:13,125
So that you know,

1854
00:28:13,125 --> 00:28:14,041
Ansel Adams could

1855
00:28:14,041 --> 00:28:14,708
go and take a

1856
00:28:14,708 --> 00:28:15,625
picture of the of

1857
00:28:15,625 --> 00:28:16,208
the Grand Canyon

1858
00:28:16,208 --> 00:28:16,458
of these

1859
00:28:16,458 --> 00:28:17,000
beautiful places

1860
00:28:17,958 --> 00:28:19,041
But in the last

1861
00:28:19,041 --> 00:28:20,333
century the

1862
00:28:20,333 --> 00:28:21,375
reason for

1863
00:28:21,375 --> 00:28:22,166
protecting lands

1864
00:28:22,166 --> 00:28:22,708
and waters

1865
00:28:22,708 --> 00:28:24,500
evolved so it

1866
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:24,916
like some

1867
00:28:24,916 --> 00:28:25,750
of our lands

1868
00:28:26,541 --> 00:28:28,166
Protect people or

1869
00:28:28,166 --> 00:28:29,375
remember people.

1870
00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:30,416
Yeah, some of

1871
00:28:30,416 --> 00:28:31,041
them Caesar

1872
00:28:31,041 --> 00:28:31,875
Shavett is right

1873
00:28:31,875 --> 00:28:32,625
Caesar Caesar

1874
00:28:32,625 --> 00:28:33,041
Shavett

1875
00:28:33,041 --> 00:28:33,750
so that the

1876
00:28:34,333 --> 00:28:35,000
farm workers

1877
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:35,541
movement

1878
00:28:37,041 --> 00:28:38,000
Civil rights

1879
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,625
monuments

1880
00:28:38,625 --> 00:28:39,375
protect, you

1881
00:28:39,375 --> 00:28:39,583
know, they

1882
00:28:39,583 --> 00:28:40,416
remember these

1883
00:28:40,416 --> 00:28:41,583
are public lands

1884
00:28:41,583 --> 00:28:43,416
that remember the

1885
00:28:43,416 --> 00:28:44,125
civil rights

1886
00:28:44,125 --> 00:28:44,958
movement

1887
00:28:45,708 --> 00:28:46,916
and out in

1888
00:28:46,916 --> 00:28:47,291
the Pacific

1889
00:28:47,291 --> 00:28:47,833
Indigenous

1890
00:28:47,833 --> 00:28:49,375
culture has been

1891
00:28:49,375 --> 00:28:50,041
a big part of

1892
00:28:50,041 --> 00:28:50,916
these these

1893
00:28:50,916 --> 00:28:51,500
monument

1894
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:52,250
designations

1895
00:28:52,916 --> 00:28:53,666
so

1896
00:28:54,375 --> 00:28:55,041
Presidents kind

1897
00:28:55,041 --> 00:28:55,875
of accepted that

1898
00:28:55,875 --> 00:28:56,291
we were

1899
00:28:56,291 --> 00:28:57,916
protecting for

1900
00:28:57,916 --> 00:28:58,541
scenic

1901
00:28:58,541 --> 00:28:59,375
landscapes. We

1902
00:28:59,375 --> 00:28:59,750
were protecting

1903
00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:00,458
for biodiversity

1904
00:29:00,458 --> 00:29:01,041
conservation

1905
00:29:01,250 --> 00:29:01,541
We were

1906
00:29:01,541 --> 00:29:02,625
protecting to

1907
00:29:02,625 --> 00:29:03,000
remember

1908
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,916
important people

1909
00:29:03,916 --> 00:29:05,500
important ideas

1910
00:29:05,916 --> 00:29:06,875
important places

1911
00:29:06,875 --> 00:29:07,625
and important

1912
00:29:07,625 --> 00:29:08,666
moments in our

1913
00:29:08,666 --> 00:29:10,208
history and Trump

1914
00:29:10,208 --> 00:29:10,666
is kind of the

1915
00:29:10,666 --> 00:29:11,250
first person to

1916
00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:12,041
come along and

1917
00:29:12,666 --> 00:29:14,166
Say now we're not

1918
00:29:14,166 --> 00:29:14,291
gonna

1919
00:29:14,291 --> 00:29:15,125
remember that

1920
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:18,166
And he's so he's

1921
00:29:18,166 --> 00:29:18,333
doing it on

1922
00:29:18,333 --> 00:29:18,541
public

1923
00:29:18,541 --> 00:29:19,583
lands and waters

1924
00:29:19,583 --> 00:29:20,333
But he's also

1925
00:29:20,333 --> 00:29:20,916
doing it at the

1926
00:29:20,916 --> 00:29:22,125
Smithsonian and

1927
00:29:22,125 --> 00:29:22,958
he's doing it on

1928
00:29:22,958 --> 00:29:23,291
government

1929
00:29:23,291 --> 00:29:23,833
websites

1930
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,833
Like one of the

1931
00:29:24,833 --> 00:29:25,875
first thing the

1932
00:29:25,875 --> 00:29:26,500
New York Times

1933
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:27,000
has this

1934
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,541
incredible

1935
00:29:27,541 --> 00:29:28,291
article where

1936
00:29:28,291 --> 00:29:29,000
they identify

1937
00:29:29,458 --> 00:29:30,625
200 words that

1938
00:29:30,625 --> 00:29:31,125
the Trump

1939
00:29:31,125 --> 00:29:31,791
administration is

1940
00:29:31,791 --> 00:29:32,458
scrubbing from

1941
00:29:32,458 --> 00:29:33,791
websites and it's

1942
00:29:33,791 --> 00:29:34,166
things like

1943
00:29:34,166 --> 00:29:35,000
innocuous words

1944
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,625
like woman

1945
00:29:36,250 --> 00:29:36,708
Mm-hmm

1946
00:29:37,583 --> 00:29:39,291
Black, you know,

1947
00:29:39,291 --> 00:29:40,291
like completely

1948
00:29:40,291 --> 00:29:41,333
erasing the

1949
00:29:41,333 --> 00:29:42,833
history gay. Yeah

1950
00:29:42,833 --> 00:29:44,583
erasing these

1951
00:29:44,583 --> 00:29:45,875
concepts from

1952
00:29:45,875 --> 00:29:46,625
like the

1953
00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:48,333
The world right?

1954
00:29:48,541 --> 00:29:49,416
Yeah, and so it's

1955
00:29:49,416 --> 00:29:50,458
it's playing out

1956
00:29:50,458 --> 00:29:51,041
in our museums.

1957
00:29:51,041 --> 00:29:51,791
It's playing out

1958
00:29:51,791 --> 00:29:52,208
in our government

1959
00:29:52,208 --> 00:29:52,625
websites

1960
00:29:52,625 --> 00:29:53,416
It's playing out

1961
00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:53,708
in the way

1962
00:29:53,708 --> 00:29:54,000
government

1963
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,833
manages itself,

1964
00:29:54,833 --> 00:29:55,875
but it's also

1965
00:29:55,875 --> 00:29:57,291
playing out

1966
00:29:57,583 --> 00:29:58,333
in our public

1967
00:29:58,333 --> 00:29:59,375
lands and

1968
00:29:59,375 --> 00:30:00,791
waters and

1969
00:30:01,625 --> 00:30:05,000
We thought that

1970
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,875
our norms would

1971
00:30:05,875 --> 00:30:06,500
protect us we

1972
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:07,791
thought because

1973
00:30:07,791 --> 00:30:08,375
it was always

1974
00:30:08,375 --> 00:30:09,500
done that way

1975
00:30:09,958 --> 00:30:10,916
It'll it won't

1976
00:30:10,916 --> 00:30:11,958
have it won't

1977
00:30:11,958 --> 00:30:12,458
ever happen in

1978
00:30:12,458 --> 00:30:13,000
the future and

1979
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:13,875
you know, Bill

1980
00:30:13,875 --> 00:30:14,541
Maher has this

1981
00:30:14,541 --> 00:30:15,083
great bit that

1982
00:30:15,083 --> 00:30:15,416
he's done a

1983
00:30:15,416 --> 00:30:16,208
couple of times

1984
00:30:16,208 --> 00:30:17,625
About that movie

1985
00:30:17,625 --> 00:30:18,416
about the donkey

1986
00:30:18,416 --> 00:30:19,041
that kicks field

1987
00:30:19,041 --> 00:30:19,750
goals, right?

1988
00:30:20,666 --> 00:30:20,958
And you know

1989
00:30:20,958 --> 00:30:21,500
because there's

1990
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:22,833
no rule that you

1991
00:30:22,833 --> 00:30:24,041
can't have a

1992
00:30:24,041 --> 00:30:25,000
donkey on your

1993
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:25,833
football team

1994
00:30:26,208 --> 00:30:28,000
The team went on having you know the donkey on the football team

1995
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,291
You know air by

1996
00:30:31,291 --> 00:30:32,000
the air by the

1997
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,291
same thing. Yeah,

1998
00:30:33,291 --> 00:30:34,250
there's no rule

1999
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:34,833
that the dog

2000
00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:35,375
can't play

2001
00:30:35,375 --> 00:30:35,958
basketball

2002
00:30:35,958 --> 00:30:37,333
And that's kind

2003
00:30:37,333 --> 00:30:37,791
of where we are

2004
00:30:37,791 --> 00:30:38,333
with Trump is

2005
00:30:38,333 --> 00:30:39,291
like he is just

2006
00:30:39,291 --> 00:30:39,708
rolling back

2007
00:30:39,708 --> 00:30:40,125
these things

2008
00:30:40,125 --> 00:30:40,708
You know, there's

2009
00:30:40,708 --> 00:30:41,958
no rule that you

2010
00:30:41,958 --> 00:30:42,541
can't have the

2011
00:30:42,541 --> 00:30:43,250
National Guard

2012
00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:43,750
overthrow

2013
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:44,291
Washington,

2014
00:30:44,625 --> 00:30:45,250
DC. Yeah

2015
00:30:45,416 --> 00:30:46,958
Yet on my

2016
00:30:46,958 --> 00:30:48,000
commute home

2017
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,416
Every metro

2018
00:30:49,416 --> 00:30:50,958
station is full

2019
00:30:50,958 --> 00:30:51,625
of National Guard

2020
00:30:51,625 --> 00:30:51,958
troops.

2021
00:30:51,958 --> 00:30:53,291
Yeah. Yeah

2022
00:30:53,291 --> 00:30:54,625
Because even though there's no rule say that you can or cannot he's just doing it

2023
00:30:54,625 --> 00:30:59,250
Because that's so

2024
00:30:59,250 --> 00:30:59,791
same by

2025
00:30:59,791 --> 00:31:01,250
protected area

2026
00:31:01,708 --> 00:31:03,000
So like what we

2027
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,291
can we can fight

2028
00:31:04,291 --> 00:31:05,083
back we can

2029
00:31:05,083 --> 00:31:05,791
ridicule them

2030
00:31:05,791 --> 00:31:07,541
And this is shown

2031
00:31:07,541 --> 00:31:09,375
to actually to

2032
00:31:09,375 --> 00:31:10,291
work a little bit

2033
00:31:10,291 --> 00:31:11,166
a couple weeks

2034
00:31:11,166 --> 00:31:11,875
ago the

2035
00:31:11,875 --> 00:31:12,375
Smithsonian

2036
00:31:12,375 --> 00:31:13,750
announced

2037
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:14,625
a change

2038
00:31:14,625 --> 00:31:16,541
at one of their

2039
00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:17,791
exhibits about

2040
00:31:17,791 --> 00:31:18,791
impeachment

2041
00:31:18,791 --> 00:31:21,125
And you know

2042
00:31:21,125 --> 00:31:21,916
public uproar

2043
00:31:21,916 --> 00:31:23,416
ridicule and

2044
00:31:23,416 --> 00:31:23,583
within 48 hours that they can't be
able to get back to the city

2045
00:31:23,583 --> 00:31:24,000
So within 48

2046
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,708
hours that thing

2047
00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:25,083
was back

2048
00:31:26,083 --> 00:31:26,833
And it was the

2049
00:31:26,833 --> 00:31:27,291
same thing.

2050
00:31:27,291 --> 00:31:27,750
They erased

2051
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:29,291
Some stuff about

2052
00:31:29,291 --> 00:31:30,041
Jackie Robinson

2053
00:31:30,041 --> 00:31:30,583
the great

2054
00:31:30,583 --> 00:31:31,458
baseball player

2055
00:31:31,458 --> 00:31:32,250
who was the first

2056
00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:33,541
black guy to play

2057
00:31:33,541 --> 00:31:33,833
Major League

2058
00:31:33,833 --> 00:31:34,375
Baseball

2059
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:35,458
There is

2060
00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:36,000
they erased

2061
00:31:36,958 --> 00:31:37,750
Some of the stuff

2062
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:38,041
about his

2063
00:31:38,041 --> 00:31:38,833
military service

2064
00:31:38,833 --> 00:31:39,375
on one of the

2065
00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:40,083
Pentagon websites

2066
00:31:40,083 --> 00:31:40,250
or

2067
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:41,291
something like that

2068
00:31:42,375 --> 00:31:43,416
Ridicule and 24

2069
00:31:43,416 --> 00:31:44,708
hours it was back

2070
00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:45,916
so

2071
00:31:46,541 --> 00:31:47,583
Even though he's

2072
00:31:47,583 --> 00:31:48,291
doing this stuff

2073
00:31:48,291 --> 00:31:48,875
and you know, we

2074
00:31:48,875 --> 00:31:49,625
think he's taking

2075
00:31:49,625 --> 00:31:50,333
his cues from

2076
00:31:50,333 --> 00:31:51,791
industry. He

2077
00:31:51,791 --> 00:31:52,250
still wants

2078
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:52,833
to be popular

2079
00:31:53,625 --> 00:31:54,083
And you know,

2080
00:31:54,083 --> 00:31:55,000
he's there is

2081
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,791
still right and

2082
00:31:55,791 --> 00:31:56,750
wrong. Yeah

2083
00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:58,000
Yeah

2084
00:31:58,166 --> 00:31:59,875
So we we fight in

2085
00:31:59,875 --> 00:32:01,208
the courts and

2086
00:32:01,208 --> 00:32:01,750
that's how this

2087
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:02,500
first battle was

2088
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:02,833
fought in

2089
00:32:02,833 --> 00:32:03,250
the courts

2090
00:32:03,250 --> 00:32:04,166
Yeah, Earth

2091
00:32:04,166 --> 00:32:05,000
Justice was able

2092
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,833
to get that judge

2093
00:32:05,833 --> 00:32:06,375
to agree with

2094
00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:07,250
them and they

2095
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:07,583
were close

2096
00:32:07,583 --> 00:32:08,083
to the fishing

2097
00:32:08,666 --> 00:32:10,166
But we also will

2098
00:32:10,166 --> 00:32:11,458
fight in the the

2099
00:32:11,458 --> 00:32:12,000
court of public

2100
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:12,791
opinion. Yeah,

2101
00:32:12,791 --> 00:32:14,000
and eventually

2102
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,875
we'll fight at

2103
00:32:14,875 --> 00:32:15,708
the ballot box

2104
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:16,500
because

2105
00:32:16,958 --> 00:32:17,833
You know, we need

2106
00:32:17,833 --> 00:32:18,333
if we want to

2107
00:32:18,333 --> 00:32:18,833
have ocean

2108
00:32:18,833 --> 00:32:20,000
conservation. We

2109
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:20,708
need to elect

2110
00:32:20,708 --> 00:32:21,541
people who

2111
00:32:21,541 --> 00:32:22,041
support ocean

2112
00:32:22,041 --> 00:32:22,375
conservation

2113
00:32:22,833 --> 00:32:23,500
Yeah, no, no

2114
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:25,250
doubt now. I want

2115
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:26,166
to talk about the

2116
00:32:26,166 --> 00:32:27,125
reasoning why

2117
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:29,041
The judge the

2118
00:32:29,041 --> 00:32:30,166
court shut this

2119
00:32:30,166 --> 00:32:30,875
down like the

2120
00:32:30,875 --> 00:32:31,750
opening of this

2121
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:32,750
National Marine

2122
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:33,250
Sanctuary

2123
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:34,500
So it's open for

2124
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:35,041
a few months

2125
00:32:35,041 --> 00:32:35,458
people are

2126
00:32:35,458 --> 00:32:36,333
fishing, you know

2127
00:32:36,333 --> 00:32:36,791
having a great

2128
00:32:36,791 --> 00:32:37,666
time fishing all

2129
00:32:37,666 --> 00:32:38,000
that kind

2130
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,458
of stuff

2131
00:32:38,791 --> 00:32:39,666
Seems like it's

2132
00:32:39,666 --> 00:32:40,500
really great

2133
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:41,541
You know a lot of

2134
00:32:41,541 --> 00:32:42,666
people that were

2135
00:32:42,666 --> 00:32:43,166
not in ocean

2136
00:32:43,166 --> 00:32:43,958
conservation saw

2137
00:32:43,958 --> 00:32:44,500
the announcement

2138
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:44,833
that it was

2139
00:32:44,833 --> 00:32:45,291
opened up

2140
00:32:45,291 --> 00:32:46,083
You know, they'd

2141
00:32:46,083 --> 00:32:46,708
have an uproar

2142
00:32:46,708 --> 00:32:47,208
some people

2143
00:32:47,208 --> 00:32:47,875
forgot to talk

2144
00:32:47,875 --> 00:32:48,500
You know not

2145
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:49,083
talking about it

2146
00:32:49,083 --> 00:32:49,541
as much because

2147
00:32:49,541 --> 00:32:50,000
there's so much

2148
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,125
going on and then

2149
00:32:51,125 --> 00:32:51,500
all of a sudden

2150
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:52,208
we get this court

2151
00:32:52,291 --> 00:32:53,041
ruling saying

2152
00:32:53,041 --> 00:32:53,500
hey, we're

2153
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:54,250
actually this is

2154
00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:54,791
actually doesn't

2155
00:32:54,791 --> 00:32:55,375
follow the

2156
00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:56,208
Magnuson-Stevens

2157
00:32:56,208 --> 00:32:57,166
Act. We're just

2158
00:32:57,166 --> 00:32:58,000
going to

2159
00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:59,375
Shut it like shut

2160
00:32:59,375 --> 00:33:00,000
it back down

2161
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,208
because you know

2162
00:33:01,208 --> 00:33:01,625
There's certain

2163
00:33:01,625 --> 00:33:02,416
things that that

2164
00:33:02,416 --> 00:33:02,791
the council says

2165
00:33:02,791 --> 00:33:03,875
like they have or

2166
00:33:03,875 --> 00:33:04,375
that the council

2167
00:33:04,375 --> 00:33:05,541
hasn't met. It's

2168
00:33:05,541 --> 00:33:06,458
like can you talk

2169
00:33:06,458 --> 00:33:07,333
about what?

2170
00:33:08,541 --> 00:33:09,250
What was the

2171
00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:10,583
reasoning behind

2172
00:33:10,583 --> 00:33:11,791
the shutting it

2173
00:33:11,791 --> 00:33:12,541
down again? Like

2174
00:33:12,541 --> 00:33:13,875
why it wasn't

2175
00:33:14,041 --> 00:33:16,500
To protect it

2176
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:17,166
again. Yeah to

2177
00:33:17,166 --> 00:33:17,666
protect again.

2178
00:33:17,666 --> 00:33:17,916
Yeah,

2179
00:33:17,916 --> 00:33:18,375
shut it down

2180
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,375
Yeah, yeah, um

2181
00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:21,083
because they're

2182
00:33:21,083 --> 00:33:21,333
incompetent

2183
00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:22,833
And they they

2184
00:33:22,833 --> 00:33:24,083
honestly they

2185
00:33:24,083 --> 00:33:24,791
lost on a

2186
00:33:24,791 --> 00:33:25,583
technicality

2187
00:33:26,041 --> 00:33:27,416
And they thought

2188
00:33:27,416 --> 00:33:27,791
that they could

2189
00:33:27,791 --> 00:33:28,416
take a shortcut.

2190
00:33:28,416 --> 00:33:29,583
They thought that

2191
00:33:29,583 --> 00:33:30,583
they could

2192
00:33:30,583 --> 00:33:31,250
ignore the law

2193
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:33,333
This is the

2194
00:33:33,333 --> 00:33:33,625
government

2195
00:33:36,416 --> 00:33:37,708
There's a if you

2196
00:33:37,708 --> 00:33:38,166
watch that TV

2197
00:33:38,166 --> 00:33:38,791
show parks and

2198
00:33:38,791 --> 00:33:39,583
recreation there

2199
00:33:39,583 --> 00:33:40,250
was an episode

2200
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:41,458
where Ron Swanson

2201
00:33:41,458 --> 00:33:42,083
wanted to have a

2202
00:33:42,083 --> 00:33:42,541
barbecue in

2203
00:33:42,541 --> 00:33:43,791
A park. Yeah, and

2204
00:33:43,791 --> 00:33:44,750
he said I've got

2205
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:45,375
a permit right

2206
00:33:45,375 --> 00:33:46,500
here and it said

2207
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:47,666
I'm the parks

2208
00:33:47,666 --> 00:33:48,000
director

2209
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:48,416
I can do

2210
00:33:48,416 --> 00:33:48,875
what I want

2211
00:33:49,458 --> 00:33:50,208
And that's kind

2212
00:33:50,208 --> 00:33:50,458
of what they

2213
00:33:50,458 --> 00:33:50,791
thought they

2214
00:33:50,791 --> 00:33:51,375
thought no, we're

2215
00:33:51,375 --> 00:33:52,083
in charge. We can

2216
00:33:52,083 --> 00:33:52,208
do

2217
00:33:52,208 --> 00:33:52,875
whatever we want

2218
00:33:52,875 --> 00:33:54,041
Yeah, but we're a

2219
00:33:54,041 --> 00:33:54,708
nation of laws.

2220
00:33:54,708 --> 00:33:55,583
Yeah, so they

2221
00:33:55,583 --> 00:33:56,333
they have to

2222
00:33:56,333 --> 00:33:57,125
follow the

2223
00:33:57,125 --> 00:33:57,958
law, right?

2224
00:33:58,416 --> 00:33:58,916
And so they kind

2225
00:33:58,916 --> 00:33:59,458
of lost on a

2226
00:33:59,458 --> 00:34:00,125
technicality,

2227
00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:01,458
which means this

2228
00:34:01,458 --> 00:34:01,833
is not a

2229
00:34:01,833 --> 00:34:02,416
permanent win

2230
00:34:02,833 --> 00:34:03,333
This is that this

2231
00:34:03,333 --> 00:34:04,041
is a temporary

2232
00:34:04,041 --> 00:34:06,208
win where they

2233
00:34:06,208 --> 00:34:07,291
now they have to

2234
00:34:07,291 --> 00:34:08,083
follow the law

2235
00:34:08,083 --> 00:34:08,583
Which means

2236
00:34:08,583 --> 00:34:08,958
there's gonna be

2237
00:34:08,958 --> 00:34:09,208
a public

2238
00:34:09,208 --> 00:34:10,000
comment period

2239
00:34:10,416 --> 00:34:11,458
Which means so

2240
00:34:11,458 --> 00:34:12,125
the next battle

2241
00:34:12,125 --> 00:34:13,583
is we flood the

2242
00:34:13,583 --> 00:34:14,208
government with

2243
00:34:14,208 --> 00:34:15,041
comments, right?

2244
00:34:15,333 --> 00:34:16,958
And this is

2245
00:34:16,958 --> 00:34:17,750
unpopular people

2246
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:18,708
support the

2247
00:34:18,708 --> 00:34:19,416
protected areas

2248
00:34:19,416 --> 00:34:19,958
like national

2249
00:34:19,958 --> 00:34:21,291
parks national

2250
00:34:21,291 --> 00:34:23,250
Everybody it's

2251
00:34:23,250 --> 00:34:23,833
called, you know,

2252
00:34:23,833 --> 00:34:24,500
it's the best

2253
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:25,708
idea America ever

2254
00:34:25,708 --> 00:34:26,916
had people love

2255
00:34:26,916 --> 00:34:28,083
our public areas

2256
00:34:28,458 --> 00:34:29,375
So this stuff is

2257
00:34:29,375 --> 00:34:29,750
incredibly

2258
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:31,083
unpopular and

2259
00:34:31,083 --> 00:34:32,041
it's really just

2260
00:34:32,041 --> 00:34:33,166
he's selling

2261
00:34:33,166 --> 00:34:33,875
stuff off to the

2262
00:34:33,875 --> 00:34:34,416
highest bidder,

2263
00:34:34,416 --> 00:34:34,875
which in

2264
00:34:34,875 --> 00:34:35,791
this case is

2265
00:34:36,666 --> 00:34:37,083
Fishing

2266
00:34:37,083 --> 00:34:38,250
interests, but

2267
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:38,666
he's doing the

2268
00:34:38,666 --> 00:34:39,125
same thing all

2269
00:34:39,125 --> 00:34:39,500
across the

2270
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:40,416
country to for

2271
00:34:40,416 --> 00:34:41,375
oil companies and

2272
00:34:41,375 --> 00:34:41,708
for mining

2273
00:34:41,708 --> 00:34:42,083
companies

2274
00:34:42,833 --> 00:34:43,083
Um

2275
00:34:43,083 --> 00:34:46,750
I think it's

2276
00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:47,500
interesting that

2277
00:34:48,375 --> 00:34:49,166
Like is there is

2278
00:34:49,166 --> 00:34:50,250
there not a law?

2279
00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:50,708
Is there is there

2280
00:34:50,708 --> 00:34:50,958
a marine

2281
00:34:50,958 --> 00:34:51,333
protected

2282
00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:52,041
area law?

2283
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:52,875
Like is there a

2284
00:34:52,875 --> 00:34:53,666
law that congress

2285
00:34:53,666 --> 00:34:54,041
or the

2286
00:34:54,041 --> 00:34:55,166
senate can put in?

2287
00:34:56,666 --> 00:34:57,708
Yeah, the you

2288
00:34:57,708 --> 00:34:57,958
know the

2289
00:34:59,166 --> 00:35:00,666
NASA, sorry nasa

2290
00:35:00,666 --> 00:35:02,166
noah is you know,

2291
00:35:02,166 --> 00:35:02,666
this amazing

2292
00:35:02,666 --> 00:35:03,750
amazing agency

2293
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:05,916
that has uh

2294
00:35:06,208 --> 00:35:07,750
Uh satellites and

2295
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:08,375
you know billions

2296
00:35:08,375 --> 00:35:09,458
of dollars and

2297
00:35:09,458 --> 00:35:09,833
they can predict

2298
00:35:09,833 --> 00:35:10,416
hurricanes

2299
00:35:10,416 --> 00:35:11,416
and what?

2300
00:35:13,458 --> 00:35:13,958
collect data for

2301
00:35:13,958 --> 00:35:14,583
climate change

2302
00:35:15,416 --> 00:35:16,458
but noah is

2303
00:35:16,458 --> 00:35:16,833
within the

2304
00:35:16,833 --> 00:35:17,291
department of

2305
00:35:17,291 --> 00:35:17,708
commerce,

2306
00:35:18,208 --> 00:35:19,375
right and

2307
00:35:19,541 --> 00:35:19,916
uh

2308
00:35:20,041 --> 00:35:21,208
The which is

2309
00:35:21,208 --> 00:35:22,166
which is bizarre

2310
00:35:22,166 --> 00:35:23,166
in itself. Yeah,

2311
00:35:23,166 --> 00:35:24,291
uh, you know

2312
00:35:24,291 --> 00:35:24,916
part of that

2313
00:35:24,916 --> 00:35:25,458
It's been for a

2314
00:35:25,458 --> 00:35:26,250
while a vestige

2315
00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:27,291
of how the united

2316
00:35:27,291 --> 00:35:27,875
states has been

2317
00:35:27,875 --> 00:35:28,708
around and been

2318
00:35:28,708 --> 00:35:29,000
managed

2319
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:29,666
over the years

2320
00:35:30,166 --> 00:35:30,750
um

2321
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:32,083
but sustainable

2322
00:35:32,083 --> 00:35:33,166
fishing uh

2323
00:35:33,166 --> 00:35:34,333
with the the

2324
00:35:34,333 --> 00:35:35,416
Net with noa

2325
00:35:35,416 --> 00:35:36,541
fisheries is sort

2326
00:35:36,541 --> 00:35:37,791
of the the

2327
00:35:37,791 --> 00:35:38,416
driving world

2328
00:35:38,416 --> 00:35:39,625
view of why our

2329
00:35:39,625 --> 00:35:40,166
oceans exist

2330
00:35:40,291 --> 00:35:41,666
Uh, and there's

2331
00:35:41,666 --> 00:35:42,041
kind of there's

2332
00:35:42,041 --> 00:35:42,458
basically

2333
00:35:43,416 --> 00:35:43,875
There's a couple

2334
00:35:43,875 --> 00:35:44,208
other

2335
00:35:44,208 --> 00:35:45,000
tools out there

2336
00:35:45,416 --> 00:35:46,666
um, but monuments

2337
00:35:46,666 --> 00:35:48,000
and sanctuaries

2338
00:35:49,166 --> 00:35:50,000
marine national

2339
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,458
monuments

2340
00:35:50,458 --> 00:35:51,208
designated with

2341
00:35:51,208 --> 00:35:51,583
the antiquities

2342
00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:52,666
act and the

2343
00:35:52,666 --> 00:35:53,208
national marine

2344
00:35:53,208 --> 00:35:53,708
sanctuaries

2345
00:35:53,708 --> 00:35:54,458
designated with

2346
00:35:54,458 --> 00:35:54,541
the

2347
00:35:54,541 --> 00:35:55,166
sanctuaries act

2348
00:35:55,541 --> 00:35:57,000
Uh make up most

2349
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,166
of the acreage of

2350
00:35:58,166 --> 00:35:58,791
our protected

2351
00:35:58,791 --> 00:36:00,083
areas. Uh, we

2352
00:36:00,083 --> 00:36:01,333
also have uh,

2353
00:36:01,875 --> 00:36:02,916
the national the

2354
00:36:02,916 --> 00:36:03,666
estuarian

2355
00:36:04,125 --> 00:36:04,958
cardboard to say

2356
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:06,791
uh, the estuarian

2357
00:36:06,791 --> 00:36:07,916
reserves, uh,

2358
00:36:07,916 --> 00:36:08,416
there's also a

2359
00:36:08,416 --> 00:36:09,041
number of

2360
00:36:09,625 --> 00:36:10,541
National wildlife

2361
00:36:10,541 --> 00:36:11,333
refuges that

2362
00:36:11,333 --> 00:36:11,708
protect the

2363
00:36:11,708 --> 00:36:13,000
ocean. Um, like

2364
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:13,791
buck island

2365
00:36:13,791 --> 00:36:14,666
national wildlife

2366
00:36:14,666 --> 00:36:15,458
refuge in the

2367
00:36:15,458 --> 00:36:16,125
virgin islands

2368
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:17,416
So there's a

2369
00:36:17,416 --> 00:36:17,916
couple of

2370
00:36:17,916 --> 00:36:18,750
different tools

2371
00:36:18,750 --> 00:36:19,250
out there

2372
00:36:20,041 --> 00:36:20,875
um, but all of

2373
00:36:20,875 --> 00:36:21,208
these different

2374
00:36:21,208 --> 00:36:22,333
tools were

2375
00:36:22,333 --> 00:36:22,958
created by

2376
00:36:22,958 --> 00:36:23,625
different laws

2377
00:36:23,625 --> 00:36:24,000
and they

2378
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,500
they have

2379
00:36:25,083 --> 00:36:26,125
uh, honestly like

2380
00:36:26,125 --> 00:36:26,333
somewhat

2381
00:36:26,333 --> 00:36:26,583
different

2382
00:36:26,583 --> 00:36:27,166
personalities

2383
00:36:27,875 --> 00:36:29,000
uh, and different

2384
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:29,625
goals and

2385
00:36:29,625 --> 00:36:29,833
different

2386
00:36:29,833 --> 00:36:30,666
reasons for

2387
00:36:31,083 --> 00:36:32,000
existing or how

2388
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:32,166
they

2389
00:36:32,166 --> 00:36:32,958
manage the ocean

2390
00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:34,166
um

2391
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,041
And these are

2392
00:36:36,041 --> 00:36:36,916
relatively new

2393
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:37,916
Uh, you know, so

2394
00:36:37,916 --> 00:36:38,625
where are our

2395
00:36:38,625 --> 00:36:39,541
national parks?

2396
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:41,333
Uh, yellowstone?

2397
00:36:41,708 --> 00:36:42,166
uh

2398
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:43,291
I've been around

2399
00:36:43,291 --> 00:36:44,500
since you know,

2400
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:45,791
the late 1800s

2401
00:36:45,791 --> 00:36:46,750
early 1900s is

2402
00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:47,500
when a lot of our

2403
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:48,750
our lands were

2404
00:36:48,750 --> 00:36:49,250
protected

2405
00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:50,500
uh, some of our

2406
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:51,000
big marine

2407
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,958
protected areas,

2408
00:36:51,958 --> 00:36:53,000
uh, were only

2409
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,041
designated since

2410
00:36:54,041 --> 00:36:55,708
like the 1960s or

2411
00:36:55,708 --> 00:36:56,000
some of the

2412
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,625
oldest ones

2413
00:36:57,416 --> 00:36:58,375
and in fact the

2414
00:36:58,375 --> 00:36:58,583
the

2415
00:36:58,583 --> 00:36:59,875
sanctuaries act

2416
00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:02,208
Was designated in

2417
00:37:02,208 --> 00:37:02,708
response to

2418
00:37:02,708 --> 00:37:03,500
oil spills

2419
00:37:04,291 --> 00:37:05,875
so the the uh in

2420
00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:06,375
california

2421
00:37:06,833 --> 00:37:07,625
so the threat

2422
00:37:07,625 --> 00:37:08,833
that that act

2423
00:37:08,833 --> 00:37:09,583
tends to

2424
00:37:09,583 --> 00:37:11,375
focus on is uh

2425
00:37:12,041 --> 00:37:12,375
oil

2426
00:37:12,916 --> 00:37:14,000
Drilling, uh, so

2427
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:14,458
like the the

2428
00:37:14,458 --> 00:37:15,000
seafloor

2429
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:16,125
Uh, and that's

2430
00:37:16,125 --> 00:37:16,750
why you know the

2431
00:37:16,750 --> 00:37:17,416
the chumash

2432
00:37:17,416 --> 00:37:18,250
national marine

2433
00:37:18,250 --> 00:37:18,833
heritage the

2434
00:37:18,833 --> 00:37:19,750
chumash heritage

2435
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:20,791
national marine

2436
00:37:20,791 --> 00:37:21,416
sanctuary that

2437
00:37:21,416 --> 00:37:22,000
was designated

2438
00:37:22,375 --> 00:37:23,125
Last year by

2439
00:37:23,125 --> 00:37:24,375
biden actually

2440
00:37:24,375 --> 00:37:25,000
doesn't address

2441
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,083
fishing right?

2442
00:37:26,458 --> 00:37:27,291
Um, it it's it

2443
00:37:27,291 --> 00:37:27,666
mainly

2444
00:37:27,666 --> 00:37:29,083
deals with uh

2445
00:37:30,375 --> 00:37:30,750
The chumash

2446
00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:31,833
culture and

2447
00:37:31,833 --> 00:37:32,250
involving

2448
00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:32,666
indigenous

2449
00:37:32,666 --> 00:37:33,583
peoples in the

2450
00:37:33,583 --> 00:37:34,083
protected area

2451
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:35,333
Uh, but it also

2452
00:37:35,333 --> 00:37:36,041
has restrictions

2453
00:37:36,041 --> 00:37:37,625
on oil oil

2454
00:37:37,625 --> 00:37:38,166
exploration

2455
00:37:38,666 --> 00:37:39,583
Uh, which which

2456
00:37:39,583 --> 00:37:40,291
is which is an

2457
00:37:40,291 --> 00:37:40,791
important threat.

2458
00:37:40,791 --> 00:37:42,000
Absolutely. Yeah

2459
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,708
but uh, there is

2460
00:37:45,625 --> 00:37:45,958
this

2461
00:37:45,958 --> 00:37:46,583
long-standing

2462
00:37:46,583 --> 00:37:47,541
conflict between

2463
00:37:48,041 --> 00:37:48,625
Uh, the

2464
00:37:48,625 --> 00:37:49,416
antiquities act

2465
00:37:49,416 --> 00:37:50,791
fishing rules and

2466
00:37:50,791 --> 00:37:51,375
the magnus and

2467
00:37:51,375 --> 00:37:51,875
stevens act

2468
00:37:51,875 --> 00:37:52,583
fishing rules

2469
00:37:52,583 --> 00:37:53,458
because they have

2470
00:37:53,458 --> 00:37:53,750
different

2471
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:54,208
purposes

2472
00:37:54,583 --> 00:37:55,541
Uh, and I we

2473
00:37:55,541 --> 00:37:56,083
talked about this

2474
00:37:56,083 --> 00:37:56,500
at the beginning

2475
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:57,250
of our chat here

2476
00:37:57,250 --> 00:37:57,791
is you know

2477
00:37:57,791 --> 00:37:58,458
So that this the

2478
00:37:58,458 --> 00:37:58,958
monta marine

2479
00:37:58,958 --> 00:37:59,583
monuments are

2480
00:37:59,583 --> 00:38:00,041
designated

2481
00:38:00,041 --> 00:38:01,000
to protect

2482
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,291
Um artifacts.

2483
00:38:03,291 --> 00:38:04,208
Yeah, and in this

2484
00:38:04,208 --> 00:38:05,250
case the artifact

2485
00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:06,125
is the ecosystem.

2486
00:38:06,125 --> 00:38:07,375
Yes. Um, that's

2487
00:38:07,375 --> 00:38:07,958
what it's it's

2488
00:38:07,958 --> 00:38:08,125
meant to

2489
00:38:08,125 --> 00:38:09,333
protect habitat

2490
00:38:09,875 --> 00:38:10,250
fully

2491
00:38:11,166 --> 00:38:12,208
In perpetuity, so

2492
00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:13,208
it says there's

2493
00:38:13,208 --> 00:38:13,583
for the most

2494
00:38:13,583 --> 00:38:13,750
part.

2495
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:14,541
There's no fishing

2496
00:38:14,833 --> 00:38:15,833
Um in reality,

2497
00:38:15,833 --> 00:38:17,000
there is a

2498
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:17,458
recreational

2499
00:38:17,458 --> 00:38:18,625
fishing. There is

2500
00:38:18,625 --> 00:38:20,208
um, some cultural

2501
00:38:20,208 --> 00:38:21,166
fishing and

2502
00:38:21,166 --> 00:38:21,916
there's also what

2503
00:38:21,916 --> 00:38:22,291
is called

2504
00:38:22,291 --> 00:38:22,958
non-commercial

2505
00:38:22,958 --> 00:38:23,500
fishing

2506
00:38:24,125 --> 00:38:24,625
um

2507
00:38:26,416 --> 00:38:27,375
Uh, so yeah,

2508
00:38:27,375 --> 00:38:28,166
like the the

2509
00:38:28,208 --> 00:38:29,500
The bigger

2510
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:30,208
problem is is

2511
00:38:30,208 --> 00:38:30,750
that the united

2512
00:38:30,750 --> 00:38:31,500
states doesn't

2513
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:32,791
necessarily have

2514
00:38:32,791 --> 00:38:33,708
the tools

2515
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:35,500
To create what

2516
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:36,125
other countries

2517
00:38:36,833 --> 00:38:37,416
Call marine

2518
00:38:37,416 --> 00:38:38,041
protected areas.

2519
00:38:38,041 --> 00:38:39,500
We have we have

2520
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:40,083
monuments and

2521
00:38:40,083 --> 00:38:40,666
sanctuaries

2522
00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:41,750
Yeah, uh, and

2523
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:42,500
there's even like

2524
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:43,791
to be a nerd like

2525
00:38:43,791 --> 00:38:44,166
there are some

2526
00:38:44,166 --> 00:38:44,708
people who might

2527
00:38:44,708 --> 00:38:45,416
argue that these

2528
00:38:45,416 --> 00:38:45,875
national marine

2529
00:38:45,875 --> 00:38:46,500
sanctuaries

2530
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:47,000
aren't marine

2531
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:47,708
protected areas

2532
00:38:48,125 --> 00:38:48,916
Because they they

2533
00:38:48,916 --> 00:38:49,583
don't do enough

2534
00:38:49,583 --> 00:38:51,083
right because

2535
00:38:51,083 --> 00:38:51,666
they're you know

2536
00:38:51,666 --> 00:38:52,375
one specific

2537
00:38:52,375 --> 00:38:53,583
thing or yeah

2538
00:38:53,875 --> 00:38:54,541
I don't want to

2539
00:38:54,541 --> 00:38:55,375
dive into like I

2540
00:38:55,375 --> 00:38:56,416
I think um

2541
00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:58,125
You know this you

2542
00:38:58,125 --> 00:38:58,750
you've heard me

2543
00:38:58,750 --> 00:38:59,833
talk about the

2544
00:38:59,833 --> 00:39:00,333
strengths and

2545
00:39:00,333 --> 00:39:00,666
weaknesses

2546
00:39:00,666 --> 00:39:01,666
of 30 by 30

2547
00:39:02,208 --> 00:39:02,750
and

2548
00:39:03,166 --> 00:39:04,208
The effort to

2549
00:39:04,208 --> 00:39:04,708
protect 30

2550
00:39:04,708 --> 00:39:05,416
of the ocean

2551
00:39:05,875 --> 00:39:07,166
Um, and this is

2552
00:39:07,166 --> 00:39:07,500
some of the

2553
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:08,916
reality like what

2554
00:39:08,916 --> 00:39:09,666
does 30 by 30

2555
00:39:09,666 --> 00:39:10,625
mean on the

2556
00:39:10,625 --> 00:39:11,125
ocean, you

2557
00:39:11,125 --> 00:39:11,750
know, there's

2558
00:39:12,375 --> 00:39:14,083
Uh on land it's

2559
00:39:14,083 --> 00:39:14,625
two-dimensional

2560
00:39:14,625 --> 00:39:15,791
but on in the

2561
00:39:15,791 --> 00:39:16,458
ocean it's

2562
00:39:16,458 --> 00:39:17,000
three-dimensional

2563
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:17,833
right and how do

2564
00:39:17,833 --> 00:39:18,875
we how do we

2565
00:39:18,875 --> 00:39:19,500
manage that?

2566
00:39:19,708 --> 00:39:21,375
um also fish swim

2567
00:39:21,791 --> 00:39:22,875
Uh, so how do we

2568
00:39:22,875 --> 00:39:23,750
how do we manage

2569
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:24,791
that and not only

2570
00:39:24,791 --> 00:39:25,125
make one

2571
00:39:25,125 --> 00:39:25,458
boundary?

2572
00:39:26,125 --> 00:39:27,000
Yeah, how do we

2573
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:27,333
measure

2574
00:39:27,333 --> 00:39:28,291
that? Yeah

2575
00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:29,875
um, and and so I

2576
00:39:29,875 --> 00:39:32,041
I think uh, some

2577
00:39:32,041 --> 00:39:33,041
of these borders

2578
00:39:33,041 --> 00:39:35,000
that we draw uh

2579
00:39:35,625 --> 00:39:36,541
You know, it's

2580
00:39:37,333 --> 00:39:37,833
We're doing what

2581
00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:38,541
we can managing

2582
00:39:38,541 --> 00:39:39,375
it with the tools

2583
00:39:39,375 --> 00:39:39,708
that we have

2584
00:39:39,708 --> 00:39:40,208
available

2585
00:39:40,750 --> 00:39:41,375
um

2586
00:39:41,541 --> 00:39:42,833
But managing the

2587
00:39:42,833 --> 00:39:43,958
ocean is is much

2588
00:39:43,958 --> 00:39:44,750
more complicated

2589
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:46,666
than just saying

2590
00:39:46,666 --> 00:39:48,000
30 of the ocean

2591
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:48,875
is a marine

2592
00:39:48,875 --> 00:39:49,166
protecting

2593
00:39:49,166 --> 00:39:50,041
area. It's

2594
00:39:50,458 --> 00:39:51,291
um, and even

2595
00:39:51,291 --> 00:39:51,916
getting to that

2596
00:39:51,916 --> 00:39:52,875
30 percent you

2597
00:39:52,875 --> 00:39:53,416
also have to ask

2598
00:39:53,416 --> 00:39:54,000
the question of

2599
00:39:54,375 --> 00:39:55,166
How did we get

2600
00:39:55,166 --> 00:39:55,958
there? What was

2601
00:39:55,958 --> 00:39:56,541
the process that

2602
00:39:56,541 --> 00:39:57,166
we went through?

2603
00:39:57,708 --> 00:39:58,166
And then who were

2604
00:39:58,166 --> 00:39:58,708
the people that

2605
00:39:58,708 --> 00:39:59,833
were involved? Um

2606
00:39:59,833 --> 00:40:00,416
and going through

2607
00:40:00,416 --> 00:40:01,000
that process

2608
00:40:01,083 --> 00:40:01,583
I think there's

2609
00:40:01,583 --> 00:40:02,083
also something to

2610
00:40:02,083 --> 00:40:03,333
say too like, uh,

2611
00:40:03,333 --> 00:40:03,958
you know you and

2612
00:40:03,958 --> 00:40:04,500
I have been

2613
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:05,166
watching

2614
00:40:05,541 --> 00:40:05,916
You've been

2615
00:40:05,916 --> 00:40:07,041
involved in in in

2616
00:40:07,041 --> 00:40:07,541
the designation

2617
00:40:07,541 --> 00:40:07,916
of marine

2618
00:40:07,916 --> 00:40:08,625
protected areas

2619
00:40:08,625 --> 00:40:09,750
of all sorts from

2620
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:10,041
all over

2621
00:40:10,041 --> 00:40:10,500
the world

2622
00:40:10,916 --> 00:40:11,416
I've been

2623
00:40:11,416 --> 00:40:12,041
watching and I

2624
00:40:12,041 --> 00:40:12,916
studied it in

2625
00:40:12,916 --> 00:40:14,000
university and so

2626
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,500
forth and there's

2627
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:14,916
something to be

2628
00:40:14,916 --> 00:40:15,625
said about even

2629
00:40:16,291 --> 00:40:16,708
A marine

2630
00:40:16,708 --> 00:40:17,125
protected area

2631
00:40:17,125 --> 00:40:17,708
first being

2632
00:40:17,708 --> 00:40:18,500
designated may

2633
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:19,333
not have all the

2634
00:40:19,333 --> 00:40:19,625
protections

2635
00:40:19,708 --> 00:40:21,125
It needs to fully

2636
00:40:21,125 --> 00:40:22,166
protect that area

2637
00:40:22,166 --> 00:40:22,916
But then you can

2638
00:40:22,916 --> 00:40:24,125
build on it as it

2639
00:40:24,125 --> 00:40:24,791
grows and

2640
00:40:24,791 --> 00:40:25,500
as you know

2641
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:26,250
The first the

2642
00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:27,083
first step is to

2643
00:40:27,083 --> 00:40:27,833
get it designated

2644
00:40:27,833 --> 00:40:28,791
obviously not you

2645
00:40:28,791 --> 00:40:29,166
don't want a

2646
00:40:29,166 --> 00:40:30,000
paper park where

2647
00:40:30,375 --> 00:40:30,875
Nothing is

2648
00:40:30,875 --> 00:40:31,500
enforced and

2649
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:31,875
nothing is

2650
00:40:31,875 --> 00:40:32,583
managed. But even

2651
00:40:32,583 --> 00:40:33,250
if you get one

2652
00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:34,041
thing managed

2653
00:40:34,416 --> 00:40:35,083
Hopefully later

2654
00:40:35,083 --> 00:40:35,791
on you can

2655
00:40:35,791 --> 00:40:36,833
increase the size

2656
00:40:36,833 --> 00:40:37,458
like like this

2657
00:40:37,458 --> 00:40:38,166
one was done

2658
00:40:38,833 --> 00:40:39,666
Or you can

2659
00:40:39,666 --> 00:40:40,500
increase the

2660
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:40,875
amount of

2661
00:40:40,875 --> 00:40:41,791
protections or

2662
00:40:41,791 --> 00:40:42,625
you can designate

2663
00:40:42,625 --> 00:40:43,208
certain areas

2664
00:40:43,208 --> 00:40:44,125
like a bit like

2665
00:40:44,125 --> 00:40:44,583
the the

2666
00:40:44,583 --> 00:40:45,333
multi-management

2667
00:40:45,541 --> 00:40:46,375
style that the

2668
00:40:46,375 --> 00:40:47,083
grapeberry reef

2669
00:40:48,041 --> 00:40:49,083
Marine park has

2670
00:40:49,541 --> 00:40:50,375
And maybe you

2671
00:40:50,375 --> 00:40:51,166
know install that

2672
00:40:51,166 --> 00:40:51,666
and have like

2673
00:40:51,666 --> 00:40:51,916
certain

2674
00:40:51,916 --> 00:40:52,583
protections in

2675
00:40:52,583 --> 00:40:53,208
certain areas as

2676
00:40:53,208 --> 00:40:54,291
you discover more

2677
00:40:54,291 --> 00:40:55,166
of that area and

2678
00:40:55,166 --> 00:40:55,625
you research

2679
00:40:55,625 --> 00:40:56,416
More of that area

2680
00:40:56,416 --> 00:40:56,958
and how

2681
00:40:56,958 --> 00:40:57,916
beneficial it is

2682
00:40:57,916 --> 00:40:59,041
and where to

2683
00:40:59,041 --> 00:40:59,583
pinpoint?

2684
00:41:00,125 --> 00:41:00,833
Um, you know

2685
00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:01,875
spawning areas or

2686
00:41:01,875 --> 00:41:02,958
nursery areas and

2687
00:41:02,958 --> 00:41:03,625
so forth of

2688
00:41:03,625 --> 00:41:04,125
specific

2689
00:41:04,125 --> 00:41:04,750
fish stocks

2690
00:41:05,166 --> 00:41:05,541
um

2691
00:41:06,041 --> 00:41:06,583
There's there's

2692
00:41:06,583 --> 00:41:07,000
something to be

2693
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,500
said about

2694
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:08,583
establishing and

2695
00:41:08,583 --> 00:41:09,458
building upon

2696
00:41:09,458 --> 00:41:10,541
that it may not

2697
00:41:10,541 --> 00:41:11,083
be perfect

2698
00:41:11,083 --> 00:41:12,000
But we know in

2699
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,416
this world

2700
00:41:12,416 --> 00:41:12,875
nothing's going

2701
00:41:12,875 --> 00:41:13,333
to be perfect

2702
00:41:13,333 --> 00:41:13,791
when you first

2703
00:41:13,791 --> 00:41:14,500
start it off and

2704
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:14,875
it takes a

2705
00:41:14,875 --> 00:41:15,583
long time

2706
00:41:16,291 --> 00:41:16,875
And a lot of

2707
00:41:16,875 --> 00:41:17,291
effort to

2708
00:41:17,291 --> 00:41:17,791
designate

2709
00:41:17,791 --> 00:41:19,083
uh an mpa

2710
00:41:19,625 --> 00:41:20,458
Not you know

2711
00:41:20,458 --> 00:41:20,958
notwithstanding

2712
00:41:20,958 --> 00:41:21,833
any kind of

2713
00:41:21,833 --> 00:41:23,000
difficulty in

2714
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:23,666
getting certain

2715
00:41:23,666 --> 00:41:24,500
things protected

2716
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:24,875
and certain

2717
00:41:24,875 --> 00:41:25,625
things not it's

2718
00:41:25,625 --> 00:41:26,458
it's a it's a

2719
00:41:26,458 --> 00:41:27,250
long-term goal

2720
00:41:27,250 --> 00:41:27,750
to be able

2721
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:28,541
to do this

2722
00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:30,416
for uh,

2723
00:41:30,416 --> 00:41:31,125
you know you

2724
00:41:31,791 --> 00:41:33,166
You have a good

2725
00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:34,041
pulse on

2726
00:41:34,833 --> 00:41:36,541
What these mpa's?

2727
00:41:37,125 --> 00:41:37,541
You know that

2728
00:41:37,541 --> 00:41:37,916
you've been

2729
00:41:37,916 --> 00:41:38,666
involved and have

2730
00:41:38,666 --> 00:41:39,291
to do with

2731
00:41:39,875 --> 00:41:40,875
You know people

2732
00:41:40,875 --> 00:41:41,791
who live around

2733
00:41:41,791 --> 00:41:42,500
these areas live

2734
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:43,250
on these islands

2735
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:44,833
and and you know

2736
00:41:44,833 --> 00:41:46,500
benefit from the the

2737
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:47,958
benefits of these

2738
00:41:48,375 --> 00:41:49,250
uh spill effects

2739
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:49,958
notwithstanding

2740
00:41:49,958 --> 00:41:51,125
not like fully

2741
00:41:51,125 --> 00:41:51,458
understanding

2742
00:41:51,458 --> 00:41:52,000
what

2743
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000
You know this the

2744
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,833
the mpa for the

2745
00:41:54,833 --> 00:41:55,541
last 10 years or

2746
00:41:55,541 --> 00:41:56,250
the the expansion

2747
00:41:56,250 --> 00:41:57,583
has done for fish

2748
00:41:57,583 --> 00:41:58,458
and size and

2749
00:41:58,458 --> 00:41:59,250
things like that

2750
00:42:00,083 --> 00:42:00,458
and I know we

2751
00:42:00,458 --> 00:42:00,833
talked a little

2752
00:42:00,833 --> 00:42:01,291
bit about the

2753
00:42:01,291 --> 00:42:02,750
social um the

2754
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:03,000
social

2755
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:03,791
implications, but

2756
00:42:03,791 --> 00:42:04,125
how

2757
00:42:04,125 --> 00:42:05,375
important is it to

2758
00:42:06,375 --> 00:42:07,500
uh a lot of

2759
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:08,083
people who live

2760
00:42:08,083 --> 00:42:08,458
out in those

2761
00:42:08,458 --> 00:42:08,916
islands are

2762
00:42:08,916 --> 00:42:09,500
indigenous how

2763
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:09,833
important

2764
00:42:09,833 --> 00:42:10,958
is it for

2765
00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:11,875
the indigenous

2766
00:42:11,875 --> 00:42:12,833
people for these

2767
00:42:12,833 --> 00:42:13,416
protections

2768
00:42:13,416 --> 00:42:14,333
to happen

2769
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,750
And and to be

2770
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:16,250
designated you

2771
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:17,166
mentioned how a

2772
00:42:17,166 --> 00:42:18,125
lot of times uh,

2773
00:42:18,708 --> 00:42:19,583
it was to protect

2774
00:42:19,583 --> 00:42:20,166
also

2775
00:42:20,166 --> 00:42:21,166
indigenous culture

2776
00:42:21,416 --> 00:42:22,291
Uh and important

2777
00:42:22,291 --> 00:42:22,750
for indigenous

2778
00:42:22,750 --> 00:42:23,250
people how

2779
00:42:23,250 --> 00:42:23,583
important

2780
00:42:23,583 --> 00:42:24,416
is it for

2781
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:26,000
This uh area to

2782
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:26,708
be closed and

2783
00:42:26,708 --> 00:42:27,250
then what are the

2784
00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:27,875
effects of that

2785
00:42:27,875 --> 00:42:28,791
when it's open?

2786
00:42:29,791 --> 00:42:30,416
There's no no

2787
00:42:30,416 --> 00:42:31,041
community as a

2788
00:42:31,041 --> 00:42:32,541
monolith. Um, and

2789
00:42:32,541 --> 00:42:33,750
the the opinions

2790
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:34,583
that people on

2791
00:42:34,583 --> 00:42:35,333
islands have

2792
00:42:35,541 --> 00:42:36,458
whether they're

2793
00:42:36,458 --> 00:42:36,666
indigenous or

2794
00:42:36,666 --> 00:42:37,375
non-indigenous,

2795
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:38,625
uh are as

2796
00:42:38,625 --> 00:42:40,083
variable as the

2797
00:42:40,083 --> 00:42:40,500
opinions

2798
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:41,375
that we have

2799
00:42:41,875 --> 00:42:42,375
uh

2800
00:42:42,916 --> 00:42:44,375
in toronto or in

2801
00:42:44,375 --> 00:42:44,875
washington d.c.

2802
00:42:44,875 --> 00:42:47,000
So it's it's uh,

2803
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:47,708
you can't speak

2804
00:42:47,708 --> 00:42:48,791
to what what

2805
00:42:49,458 --> 00:42:51,000
Do people what do

2806
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:51,666
all people think?

2807
00:42:52,208 --> 00:42:53,166
Um, but when we

2808
00:42:53,166 --> 00:42:53,708
talk about

2809
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:55,541
What is success?

2810
00:42:55,541 --> 00:42:56,750
Uh, what is

2811
00:42:56,750 --> 00:42:57,166
conservation

2812
00:42:57,166 --> 00:42:58,791
success and are

2813
00:42:58,791 --> 00:42:59,291
these protected

2814
00:42:59,291 --> 00:43:00,583
areas successful?

2815
00:43:00,583 --> 00:43:02,416
Yeah, um, I I

2816
00:43:02,416 --> 00:43:03,375
think from the

2817
00:43:03,791 --> 00:43:04,791
NGO perspective

2818
00:43:04,791 --> 00:43:05,541
and protect, you

2819
00:43:05,541 --> 00:43:05,875
know from the

2820
00:43:05,875 --> 00:43:06,208
science

2821
00:43:06,208 --> 00:43:06,791
perspective

2822
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:08,208
The definition of

2823
00:43:08,208 --> 00:43:09,125
success for a

2824
00:43:09,125 --> 00:43:10,166
very long time

2825
00:43:10,166 --> 00:43:11,708
has been the area

2826
00:43:11,708 --> 00:43:12,541
that is protected

2827
00:43:12,541 --> 00:43:13,458
the square

2828
00:43:13,458 --> 00:43:14,000
kilometers

2829
00:43:14,583 --> 00:43:15,000
That get

2830
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:15,791
protected and so

2831
00:43:15,791 --> 00:43:16,458
the united states

2832
00:43:16,458 --> 00:43:17,208
adds up the

2833
00:43:17,208 --> 00:43:17,875
number of square

2834
00:43:17,875 --> 00:43:18,583
kilometers, but

2835
00:43:18,583 --> 00:43:19,208
actually miles

2836
00:43:19,208 --> 00:43:19,625
because we don't

2837
00:43:19,625 --> 00:43:20,041
use kilometers

2838
00:43:20,041 --> 00:43:20,541
down here

2839
00:43:20,916 --> 00:43:22,125
Um, and they say,

2840
00:43:22,125 --> 00:43:22,666
you know where

2841
00:43:22,666 --> 00:43:23,208
this is our

2842
00:43:23,208 --> 00:43:23,833
percentage and

2843
00:43:23,833 --> 00:43:24,458
and that's what

2844
00:43:24,458 --> 00:43:25,375
the success is

2845
00:43:25,791 --> 00:43:27,416
um, but it can be

2846
00:43:27,416 --> 00:43:27,833
different when

2847
00:43:27,833 --> 00:43:28,291
you're living on

2848
00:43:28,291 --> 00:43:28,708
the island,

2849
00:43:28,708 --> 00:43:29,791
right, so uh

2850
00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:31,583
For for most

2851
00:43:31,583 --> 00:43:32,416
people it's are

2852
00:43:32,416 --> 00:43:33,125
there fish on my

2853
00:43:33,125 --> 00:43:34,208
a healthy ocean

2854
00:43:34,208 --> 00:43:34,875
means there's a

2855
00:43:34,875 --> 00:43:35,333
fish on my

2856
00:43:35,333 --> 00:43:36,458
plate, right?

2857
00:43:36,833 --> 00:43:37,625
And that's that's

2858
00:43:37,625 --> 00:43:38,208
the outcome that

2859
00:43:38,208 --> 00:43:38,666
they want

2860
00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:39,958
uh, but some of

2861
00:43:39,958 --> 00:43:41,041
the stuff that I

2862
00:43:41,041 --> 00:43:42,041
would like to see

2863
00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:43,208
redefine success

2864
00:43:43,208 --> 00:43:43,666
and marine

2865
00:43:43,666 --> 00:43:44,166
conservation

2866
00:43:44,833 --> 00:43:46,416
Is who has those

2867
00:43:46,416 --> 00:43:47,500
jobs? So there

2868
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:48,166
there are so many

2869
00:43:48,166 --> 00:43:49,125
jobs for the

2870
00:43:49,125 --> 00:43:50,083
ocean for this

2871
00:43:50,083 --> 00:43:50,666
this conservation

2872
00:43:50,666 --> 00:43:51,166
world, right?

2873
00:43:51,166 --> 00:43:51,625
So there's the

2874
00:43:51,625 --> 00:43:52,708
scientist. Yep

2875
00:43:53,625 --> 00:43:54,000
There's the

2876
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:54,500
administrator

2877
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:55,666
There's the

2878
00:43:55,666 --> 00:43:56,208
person who

2879
00:43:56,208 --> 00:43:57,416
washes, uh, or

2880
00:43:57,416 --> 00:43:57,708
you know who

2881
00:43:57,708 --> 00:43:58,416
sweeps the floors

2882
00:43:58,416 --> 00:43:59,291
at university

2883
00:44:00,291 --> 00:44:01,083
And are those

2884
00:44:01,083 --> 00:44:02,458
jobs in

2885
00:44:02,458 --> 00:44:03,416
washington state

2886
00:44:03,416 --> 00:44:04,500
or are they on

2887
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:05,875
guam? Right? Uh,

2888
00:44:05,875 --> 00:44:06,916
we where did that

2889
00:44:06,916 --> 00:44:07,416
money go?

2890
00:44:08,291 --> 00:44:08,791
Um, so there's

2891
00:44:08,791 --> 00:44:09,291
the science

2892
00:44:09,291 --> 00:44:09,791
there's the

2893
00:44:09,791 --> 00:44:10,375
conservation

2894
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:11,416
There's the

2895
00:44:11,416 --> 00:44:12,125
advocate world.

2896
00:44:12,125 --> 00:44:13,583
So are people

2897
00:44:13,583 --> 00:44:14,166
living in

2898
00:44:14,166 --> 00:44:15,208
washington d.c?

2899
00:44:15,541 --> 00:44:16,458
And then flying

2900
00:44:16,458 --> 00:44:17,875
to the islands to

2901
00:44:17,875 --> 00:44:18,750
to make these

2902
00:44:18,750 --> 00:44:19,166
conservation

2903
00:44:19,166 --> 00:44:19,541
decisions

2904
00:44:19,791 --> 00:44:21,291
And how much are

2905
00:44:21,291 --> 00:44:21,875
they getting paid

2906
00:44:21,875 --> 00:44:23,708
or are the people

2907
00:44:23,708 --> 00:44:24,500
on the islands

2908
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:25,708
having those

2909
00:44:25,708 --> 00:44:26,666
jobs? Yeah

2910
00:44:26,666 --> 00:44:27,833
um for the

2911
00:44:27,833 --> 00:44:28,958
management, um

2912
00:44:28,958 --> 00:44:29,750
are the are the

2913
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:30,333
managers

2914
00:44:31,333 --> 00:44:32,208
from the islands

2915
00:44:32,208 --> 00:44:34,583
or are they um

2916
00:44:35,791 --> 00:44:36,666
And this is the

2917
00:44:36,666 --> 00:44:37,416
united states,

2918
00:44:37,416 --> 00:44:38,416
right? So within

2919
00:44:38,416 --> 00:44:39,041
the context of

2920
00:44:39,041 --> 00:44:39,833
the united states

2921
00:44:40,208 --> 00:44:42,083
Um, are they or

2922
00:44:42,083 --> 00:44:42,750
are they staffers

2923
00:44:42,750 --> 00:44:43,458
from say

2924
00:44:43,458 --> 00:44:44,166
new york?

2925
00:44:44,583 --> 00:44:45,083
And I don't like

2926
00:44:45,083 --> 00:44:45,791
I don't think

2927
00:44:45,791 --> 00:44:46,333
anybody that's

2928
00:44:46,333 --> 00:44:46,958
from new york

2929
00:44:46,958 --> 00:44:47,833
with working on

2930
00:44:47,833 --> 00:44:48,041
the islands

2931
00:44:48,541 --> 00:44:49,333
Who come to the

2932
00:44:49,333 --> 00:44:50,750
islands? Um

2933
00:44:51,250 --> 00:44:52,250
To work and some

2934
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:52,666
of this can be

2935
00:44:52,666 --> 00:44:53,208
complicated

2936
00:44:53,708 --> 00:44:54,583
Uh, because those

2937
00:44:54,583 --> 00:44:55,375
job descriptions

2938
00:44:55,375 --> 00:44:56,416
get written in

2939
00:44:56,416 --> 00:44:57,125
hawaii or they

2940
00:44:57,125 --> 00:44:57,666
get written in

2941
00:44:57,666 --> 00:44:58,291
washington, dc

2942
00:44:59,083 --> 00:45:00,250
Um, and you know

2943
00:45:00,250 --> 00:45:00,625
you ask the

2944
00:45:00,625 --> 00:45:00,916
question

2945
00:45:00,916 --> 00:45:01,583
is it better

2946
00:45:02,125 --> 00:45:02,916
To find a local

2947
00:45:02,916 --> 00:45:03,875
person in that

2948
00:45:03,875 --> 00:45:05,208
job even if they

2949
00:45:05,208 --> 00:45:05,708
haven't taken

2950
00:45:05,708 --> 00:45:06,666
zoology yet

2951
00:45:06,791 --> 00:45:08,041
Uh, right because

2952
00:45:08,041 --> 00:45:08,750
because that job

2953
00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:09,375
description says

2954
00:45:09,375 --> 00:45:09,916
like you have to

2955
00:45:09,916 --> 00:45:10,250
have taken

2956
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:11,166
zoology. Yeah

2957
00:45:11,416 --> 00:45:12,250
Um, and do they

2958
00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:12,958
even still teach

2959
00:45:12,958 --> 00:45:14,291
zoology or is it

2960
00:45:14,291 --> 00:45:14,750
called something

2961
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:15,625
else in

2962
00:45:15,625 --> 00:45:16,166
these days?

2963
00:45:16,833 --> 00:45:17,291
um

2964
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:19,750
And then there's

2965
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:20,083
you know the

2966
00:45:20,083 --> 00:45:20,375
fisheries

2967
00:45:20,375 --> 00:45:21,000
benefits

2968
00:45:21,541 --> 00:45:22,000
There's the

2969
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:22,875
tourism benefits.

2970
00:45:22,875 --> 00:45:24,000
So it's actually

2971
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,958
much larger

2972
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:26,583
Um, and whether

2973
00:45:26,583 --> 00:45:27,125
if you're

2974
00:45:27,125 --> 00:45:27,708
a tourist

2975
00:45:28,458 --> 00:45:29,625
Operator or

2976
00:45:29,625 --> 00:45:30,916
you're an ngo or

2977
00:45:30,916 --> 00:45:31,166
you're a

2978
00:45:31,166 --> 00:45:31,916
government or

2979
00:45:31,916 --> 00:45:32,125
you're a

2980
00:45:32,125 --> 00:45:32,583
scientist

2981
00:45:33,083 --> 00:45:33,583
There's different

2982
00:45:33,583 --> 00:45:34,166
ways that you

2983
00:45:34,166 --> 00:45:35,083
even even within

2984
00:45:35,083 --> 00:45:35,500
those different

2985
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:36,166
silos that you

2986
00:45:36,166 --> 00:45:36,541
that you would

2987
00:45:36,541 --> 00:45:37,208
define success.

2988
00:45:37,208 --> 00:45:39,250
Um, but those

2989
00:45:39,708 --> 00:45:40,416
We need social

2990
00:45:40,416 --> 00:45:41,041
scientists to

2991
00:45:41,041 --> 00:45:41,333
help us

2992
00:45:41,333 --> 00:45:41,666
understand

2993
00:45:41,666 --> 00:45:42,250
that. Yeah

2994
00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:43,875
Um, and that

2995
00:45:43,875 --> 00:45:44,208
doesn't get

2996
00:45:44,208 --> 00:45:45,208
communicated and

2997
00:45:45,208 --> 00:45:45,916
that doesn't get

2998
00:45:45,916 --> 00:45:46,916
to be part of

2999
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:48,291
How we define

3000
00:45:48,291 --> 00:45:48,708
conservation

3001
00:45:48,708 --> 00:45:49,250
success?

3002
00:45:50,208 --> 00:45:50,250
Um

3003
00:45:50,875 --> 00:45:51,416
We also don't

3004
00:45:51,416 --> 00:45:52,500
have the the

3005
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:53,833
processes that

3006
00:45:53,833 --> 00:45:54,458
were gone through

3007
00:45:54,458 --> 00:45:55,541
right? So yes,

3008
00:45:55,541 --> 00:45:55,916
there was a

3009
00:45:55,916 --> 00:45:56,166
public

3010
00:45:56,166 --> 00:45:56,916
comment period

3011
00:45:57,416 --> 00:45:58,458
Um, but were the

3012
00:45:58,458 --> 00:45:59,041
borders drawn

3013
00:45:59,041 --> 00:45:59,833
with local input

3014
00:45:59,833 --> 00:46:01,208
or word or or did

3015
00:46:01,208 --> 00:46:02,583
somebody in dc

3016
00:46:02,583 --> 00:46:03,791
draw the borders?

3017
00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:05,291
Send it to the

3018
00:46:05,291 --> 00:46:06,000
island and say

3019
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,041
comment on this.

3020
00:46:07,041 --> 00:46:08,083
Yeah, um, even

3021
00:46:08,083 --> 00:46:08,500
things like

3022
00:46:09,083 --> 00:46:09,791
To make the

3023
00:46:09,791 --> 00:46:10,666
decision for a

3024
00:46:10,666 --> 00:46:10,875
public

3025
00:46:10,875 --> 00:46:11,750
comment period

3026
00:46:12,291 --> 00:46:13,208
Uh, was that

3027
00:46:13,208 --> 00:46:14,208
decision based on

3028
00:46:14,208 --> 00:46:15,000
the island or was

3029
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:15,500
that decision

3030
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:16,000
based in

3031
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:16,625
washington dc?

3032
00:46:17,166 --> 00:46:18,500
Yeah, um, and I

3033
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:18,916
don't see

3034
00:46:22,458 --> 00:46:22,708
Okay

3035
00:46:23,625 --> 00:46:24,541
My no, my wife is

3036
00:46:24,541 --> 00:46:25,666
uh, her phone is

3037
00:46:25,666 --> 00:46:26,625
ringing. I

3038
00:46:26,625 --> 00:46:27,416
didn't hear it

3039
00:46:27,541 --> 00:46:29,250
So so that's just

3040
00:46:29,250 --> 00:46:29,916
one of the joys

3041
00:46:29,916 --> 00:46:30,375
of live

3042
00:46:30,375 --> 00:46:31,000
interviews. So

3043
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,083
you don't need to

3044
00:46:32,083 --> 00:46:33,208
cut that. I did.

3045
00:46:33,208 --> 00:46:33,708
I did not

3046
00:46:33,708 --> 00:46:34,458
have a stroke

3047
00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:36,125
It was just my

3048
00:46:36,125 --> 00:46:36,750
wife's phone

3049
00:46:36,750 --> 00:46:37,583
started ringing

3050
00:46:38,541 --> 00:46:40,208
And I didn't want

3051
00:46:40,208 --> 00:46:40,750
to I didn't know

3052
00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:41,250
if you could hear

3053
00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:42,041
it. Yeah. Yeah. I

3054
00:46:42,041 --> 00:46:42,291
heard a

3055
00:46:42,291 --> 00:46:42,625
little bit

3056
00:46:42,625 --> 00:46:43,250
Buff of a hide

3057
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:43,666
looked like a

3058
00:46:43,666 --> 00:46:44,916
song you didn't

3059
00:46:44,916 --> 00:46:45,708
but like from

3060
00:46:45,708 --> 00:46:46,333
where i'm sitting

3061
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:47,250
It was really

3062
00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:48,375
loud and my

3063
00:46:48,375 --> 00:46:49,041
assumption was

3064
00:46:49,041 --> 00:46:49,500
that nobody

3065
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:50,333
could hear it

3066
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:51,416
Um, that's what

3067
00:46:51,416 --> 00:46:52,375
happened. It got

3068
00:46:52,375 --> 00:46:53,000
you distracted

3069
00:46:54,041 --> 00:46:55,458
Yeah, uh, yeah,

3070
00:46:55,458 --> 00:46:56,083
but you know to

3071
00:46:56,083 --> 00:46:56,583
bring it back to

3072
00:46:56,583 --> 00:46:57,041
your to your

3073
00:46:57,041 --> 00:46:57,958
question of

3074
00:46:58,458 --> 00:46:59,125
You know, are

3075
00:46:59,125 --> 00:46:59,916
people supportive

3076
00:46:59,916 --> 00:47:00,416
of these kind of

3077
00:47:00,416 --> 00:47:01,166
things is like

3078
00:47:01,166 --> 00:47:01,791
the answer is

3079
00:47:01,791 --> 00:47:02,958
complicated. Yeah

3080
00:47:02,958 --> 00:47:03,750
Um, because it

3081
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:04,625
depends on what

3082
00:47:04,625 --> 00:47:05,416
the success rate

3083
00:47:05,416 --> 00:47:05,916
is like what

3084
00:47:05,916 --> 00:47:07,166
there's the same

3085
00:47:07,166 --> 00:47:07,958
kinds of interest

3086
00:47:08,208 --> 00:47:10,166
It's our society

3087
00:47:10,166 --> 00:47:11,125
is just as

3088
00:47:11,125 --> 00:47:11,583
complicated

3089
00:47:12,125 --> 00:47:13,291
Um, but then like

3090
00:47:13,291 --> 00:47:13,875
the other thing

3091
00:47:13,875 --> 00:47:14,333
to understand

3092
00:47:14,333 --> 00:47:14,666
about these

3093
00:47:14,666 --> 00:47:15,500
island societies

3094
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:16,333
is that there's

3095
00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:17,000
an intimacy

3096
00:47:17,875 --> 00:47:18,291
When you live

3097
00:47:18,291 --> 00:47:20,041
there, um, and

3098
00:47:20,041 --> 00:47:21,541
you know you

3099
00:47:21,708 --> 00:47:22,375
People come from

3100
00:47:22,375 --> 00:47:23,541
the outside. You

3101
00:47:23,541 --> 00:47:24,083
don't get that

3102
00:47:24,083 --> 00:47:24,541
you don't get to

3103
00:47:24,541 --> 00:47:25,166
understand that

3104
00:47:25,166 --> 00:47:25,666
intimacy

3105
00:47:26,458 --> 00:47:27,750
Of i've lived

3106
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:28,416
here my entire

3107
00:47:28,416 --> 00:47:29,208
life the people

3108
00:47:29,208 --> 00:47:29,791
who were in this

3109
00:47:29,791 --> 00:47:31,666
society were my

3110
00:47:32,375 --> 00:47:33,166
Classmates when I

3111
00:47:33,166 --> 00:47:34,291
was a kid. Um, we

3112
00:47:34,291 --> 00:47:34,666
are we are

3113
00:47:34,666 --> 00:47:35,000
tight knit

3114
00:47:35,625 --> 00:47:37,000
Um, even if I

3115
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:37,833
just even if we

3116
00:47:37,833 --> 00:47:38,208
have a fight

3117
00:47:38,208 --> 00:47:38,833
right now

3118
00:47:39,333 --> 00:47:40,208
That fight has to

3119
00:47:40,208 --> 00:47:41,125
happen in a way

3120
00:47:41,125 --> 00:47:42,500
so that next week

3121
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:43,666
We can talk about

3122
00:47:43,666 --> 00:47:43,958
something

3123
00:47:43,958 --> 00:47:44,541
else. Yeah

3124
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,416
Um, yeah, or or

3125
00:47:46,416 --> 00:47:47,000
it's my in-law

3126
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,708
And uh a lot of

3127
00:47:50,708 --> 00:47:51,125
sometimes the

3128
00:47:51,125 --> 00:47:52,041
timelines that

3129
00:47:52,041 --> 00:47:52,708
are on islands

3130
00:47:53,250 --> 00:47:54,916
Uh, do not go

3131
00:47:54,916 --> 00:47:55,791
they're not on

3132
00:47:55,791 --> 00:47:56,000
the same

3133
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:56,708
timelines as

3134
00:47:56,708 --> 00:47:57,333
ngo's.

3135
00:47:57,333 --> 00:47:58,541
Yeah, uh, okay

3136
00:47:58,833 --> 00:47:59,875
Right, so you're

3137
00:47:59,875 --> 00:48:01,041
the ngo their

3138
00:48:01,041 --> 00:48:01,916
their fiscal year

3139
00:48:01,916 --> 00:48:03,125
ends in june. So

3140
00:48:03,125 --> 00:48:03,583
they got to spend

3141
00:48:03,583 --> 00:48:03,750
this

3142
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:04,416
money by june

3143
00:48:05,333 --> 00:48:06,000
But maybe it's

3144
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,791
election season

3145
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:08,750
um and

3146
00:48:09,333 --> 00:48:09,958
Elections are

3147
00:48:09,958 --> 00:48:10,375
incredibly

3148
00:48:10,375 --> 00:48:11,208
important because

3149
00:48:11,208 --> 00:48:12,000
it's actually

3150
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,125
pretty easy to

3151
00:48:13,125 --> 00:48:13,666
make decisions

3152
00:48:13,666 --> 00:48:14,208
and like, you

3153
00:48:14,208 --> 00:48:14,791
know, ram things

3154
00:48:14,791 --> 00:48:15,166
through on

3155
00:48:15,166 --> 00:48:15,708
an island

3156
00:48:16,041 --> 00:48:17,166
Uh, but are they

3157
00:48:17,166 --> 00:48:18,125
going to be?

3158
00:48:18,791 --> 00:48:19,166
there for the

3159
00:48:19,166 --> 00:48:19,500
long term,

3160
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:21,541
right, um, and

3161
00:48:21,791 --> 00:48:22,250
so

3162
00:48:23,541 --> 00:48:24,375
This takes time.

3163
00:48:24,375 --> 00:48:25,833
Yeah, um, i i've

3164
00:48:25,833 --> 00:48:26,500
been I live in

3165
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:27,500
washington d.c

3166
00:48:27,958 --> 00:48:28,875
But I I still

3167
00:48:28,875 --> 00:48:29,416
talk to people

3168
00:48:29,416 --> 00:48:30,375
back at home. I'm

3169
00:48:30,375 --> 00:48:30,750
still plugged

3170
00:48:30,750 --> 00:48:31,166
into the

3171
00:48:31,166 --> 00:48:31,416
community

3172
00:48:32,208 --> 00:48:32,750
There's other

3173
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:33,458
members. You

3174
00:48:33,458 --> 00:48:34,000
know, we're an

3175
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,333
ecosystem of of

3176
00:48:35,333 --> 00:48:36,416
advocates. We've

3177
00:48:36,416 --> 00:48:37,208
got dz people.

3178
00:48:37,208 --> 00:48:37,583
We've got

3179
00:48:37,583 --> 00:48:38,083
diaspora

3180
00:48:38,291 --> 00:48:38,916
We've got people

3181
00:48:38,916 --> 00:48:40,000
at home, but i've

3182
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,458
been doing it for

3183
00:48:40,458 --> 00:48:41,000
20 years

3184
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:43,041
Uh, and that's

3185
00:48:43,041 --> 00:48:43,458
that's what this

3186
00:48:43,458 --> 00:48:43,958
conservation

3187
00:48:43,958 --> 00:48:44,791
takes place. And

3188
00:48:44,791 --> 00:48:46,708
so yeah, uh to

3189
00:48:46,708 --> 00:48:47,166
bring it back to

3190
00:48:47,166 --> 00:48:47,666
the initial

3191
00:48:47,666 --> 00:48:48,250
discussion

3192
00:48:48,916 --> 00:48:50,000
This moment where

3193
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,000
this yo-yo

3194
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:51,833
conservation that

3195
00:48:51,833 --> 00:48:52,000
we're

3196
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,791
experiencing this

3197
00:48:52,791 --> 00:48:53,708
back and forth of

3198
00:48:53,708 --> 00:48:54,625
it's open

3199
00:48:54,625 --> 00:48:55,083
to fishing

3200
00:48:55,083 --> 00:48:55,583
It's closed

3201
00:48:55,583 --> 00:48:56,166
to fishing

3202
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:57,375
In a couple of

3203
00:48:57,375 --> 00:48:57,958
months it's going

3204
00:48:57,958 --> 00:48:58,291
to be open

3205
00:48:58,291 --> 00:48:58,666
to fishing

3206
00:48:58,916 --> 00:48:59,500
Um, and then

3207
00:48:59,500 --> 00:48:59,750
there's gonna be

3208
00:48:59,750 --> 00:49:00,291
another lawsuit

3209
00:49:00,291 --> 00:49:00,708
and it's going to

3210
00:49:00,708 --> 00:49:01,166
be closed to

3211
00:49:01,166 --> 00:49:02,458
fishing. Um

3212
00:49:03,875 --> 00:49:04,666
Real people are

3213
00:49:04,666 --> 00:49:05,291
dealing with this

3214
00:49:05,291 --> 00:49:06,291
right and it's

3215
00:49:06,291 --> 00:49:06,916
and also it's

3216
00:49:06,916 --> 00:49:07,041
very

3217
00:49:07,041 --> 00:49:07,666
emotional too

3218
00:49:07,666 --> 00:49:08,625
Like a lot of our

3219
00:49:08,625 --> 00:49:09,583
identities are

3220
00:49:09,583 --> 00:49:10,333
tied into this

3221
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:11,625
Um and to have

3222
00:49:11,625 --> 00:49:12,458
that, you know

3223
00:49:12,458 --> 00:49:13,208
back and forth

3224
00:49:13,958 --> 00:49:14,500
There's money

3225
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:15,250
involved like

3226
00:49:15,250 --> 00:49:16,416
there's we talked

3227
00:49:16,416 --> 00:49:16,958
about the fish

3228
00:49:16,958 --> 00:49:17,541
being worth a

3229
00:49:17,541 --> 00:49:18,291
thousand dollars

3230
00:49:18,666 --> 00:49:19,291
Uh, you know

3231
00:49:19,291 --> 00:49:20,208
those those boats

3232
00:49:20,208 --> 00:49:21,000
they want to

3233
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:21,500
catch the fish.

3234
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:22,250
They want to go

3235
00:49:22,583 --> 00:49:23,291
Yeah, they want

3236
00:49:23,291 --> 00:49:23,791
to go get those

3237
00:49:23,791 --> 00:49:25,125
eye those those

3238
00:49:25,125 --> 00:49:26,250
iphones out. Uh,

3239
00:49:26,250 --> 00:49:27,250
and then and then

3240
00:49:27,250 --> 00:49:28,000
sell them and

3241
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:28,500
make money

3242
00:49:28,791 --> 00:49:29,708
Yeah, um

3243
00:49:30,958 --> 00:49:31,666
So, you know,

3244
00:49:31,666 --> 00:49:32,666
this is this is

3245
00:49:32,666 --> 00:49:33,375
why we need

3246
00:49:34,041 --> 00:49:34,875
long-term

3247
00:49:34,875 --> 00:49:36,000
committed people

3248
00:49:36,458 --> 00:49:37,166
living in these

3249
00:49:37,166 --> 00:49:37,625
islands,

3250
00:49:37,625 --> 00:49:39,208
uh who can

3251
00:49:39,875 --> 00:49:40,416
participate

3252
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,750
in these actions

3253
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:42,291
over the long

3254
00:49:42,291 --> 00:49:43,375
term and

3255
00:49:43,875 --> 00:49:44,541
You know back to

3256
00:49:44,541 --> 00:49:45,833
the the idea of

3257
00:49:45,833 --> 00:49:46,250
who gets the

3258
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:47,583
benefits a lot of

3259
00:49:47,583 --> 00:49:48,750
times those jobs

3260
00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:49,541
just aren't with

3261
00:49:49,541 --> 00:49:49,916
the people

3262
00:49:49,916 --> 00:49:50,375
in the islands

3263
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:52,083
Yeah, um, they're

3264
00:49:52,083 --> 00:49:52,916
for people in

3265
00:49:53,791 --> 00:49:54,333
The mainland.

3266
00:49:54,833 --> 00:49:55,875
Yeah. Yeah, which

3267
00:49:55,875 --> 00:49:57,166
is like you said,

3268
00:49:57,166 --> 00:49:58,000
it's very it's

3269
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:58,708
very complicated

3270
00:49:59,250 --> 00:49:59,791
When we think

3271
00:49:59,791 --> 00:50:00,750
about it and it

3272
00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:01,000
almost requires

3273
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,041
its own own study

3274
00:50:03,041 --> 00:50:04,333
to to to be able

3275
00:50:04,333 --> 00:50:04,875
to kind of

3276
00:50:05,875 --> 00:50:06,125
you know

3277
00:50:07,416 --> 00:50:08,500
Like untie all

3278
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:09,000
the all the

3279
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:09,500
different lines

3280
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:10,416
that that of the

3281
00:50:10,416 --> 00:50:11,083
benefits and the

3282
00:50:11,083 --> 00:50:11,541
successes

3283
00:50:11,958 --> 00:50:13,000
Um, so like, you

3284
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,041
know finishing up

3285
00:50:14,041 --> 00:50:14,625
this this

3286
00:50:14,625 --> 00:50:15,291
conversation

3287
00:50:15,875 --> 00:50:17,375
Uh to wrap it up

3288
00:50:17,375 --> 00:50:18,833
the big idea here

3289
00:50:18,833 --> 00:50:19,750
now that is

3290
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:20,833
closed might open

3291
00:50:20,833 --> 00:50:21,208
up again

3292
00:50:22,125 --> 00:50:22,958
There's a there's

3293
00:50:22,958 --> 00:50:24,166
definitely a need

3294
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:25,041
to

3295
00:50:25,708 --> 00:50:27,000
uh to to get

3296
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,083
more data to

3297
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:28,833
increase

3298
00:50:28,833 --> 00:50:30,791
We have to study

3299
00:50:30,791 --> 00:50:31,375
the shit out of

3300
00:50:31,375 --> 00:50:32,000
this. We have to

3301
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:32,458
come from we have

3302
00:50:32,458 --> 00:50:33,000
to we have to

3303
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:33,583
science the shit

3304
00:50:33,583 --> 00:50:34,041
out of this

3305
00:50:34,041 --> 00:50:34,916
And yeah, we need

3306
00:50:34,916 --> 00:50:35,833
fishery science

3307
00:50:36,041 --> 00:50:36,791
We need npa

3308
00:50:36,791 --> 00:50:37,750
science and we

3309
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:38,166
need social

3310
00:50:38,166 --> 00:50:39,666
science and where

3311
00:50:39,666 --> 00:50:40,250
do you want that

3312
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:40,916
to come from?

3313
00:50:42,541 --> 00:50:42,583
um

3314
00:50:42,583 --> 00:50:44,666
I think the

3315
00:50:44,666 --> 00:50:44,958
fishery

3316
00:50:44,958 --> 00:50:45,541
scientists can

3317
00:50:45,541 --> 00:50:45,916
come out of

3318
00:50:45,916 --> 00:50:47,041
hawaii. Um, but

3319
00:50:47,041 --> 00:50:48,708
but i'd love a

3320
00:50:48,708 --> 00:50:49,083
lot of this comes

3321
00:50:49,083 --> 00:50:49,625
down to resources

3322
00:50:50,291 --> 00:50:51,250
Um, but I think

3323
00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:52,125
there are people

3324
00:50:52,125 --> 00:50:53,708
in american semoa

3325
00:50:53,708 --> 00:50:54,208
and in the

3326
00:50:54,208 --> 00:50:55,500
territories who

3327
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:56,166
could help lead

3328
00:50:56,166 --> 00:50:56,458
this

3329
00:50:56,458 --> 00:50:57,291
social science

3330
00:50:57,291 --> 00:50:58,500
To help us ask

3331
00:50:58,500 --> 00:50:58,833
the right

3332
00:50:58,833 --> 00:50:59,833
questions and

3333
00:50:59,833 --> 00:51:00,416
understand what's

3334
00:51:00,416 --> 00:51:01,083
going on. How is

3335
00:51:01,083 --> 00:51:01,541
this affecting

3336
00:51:01,541 --> 00:51:01,750
the

3337
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:02,625
community? Yeah

3338
00:51:03,291 --> 00:51:05,500
um and uh

3339
00:51:05,625 --> 00:51:06,291
Often, you know,

3340
00:51:06,291 --> 00:51:06,833
we're indigenous

3341
00:51:06,833 --> 00:51:07,500
communities and

3342
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:08,166
oftentimes

3343
00:51:08,166 --> 00:51:08,791
indigenous

3344
00:51:08,791 --> 00:51:09,208
communities

3345
00:51:09,208 --> 00:51:09,916
get studied

3346
00:51:10,458 --> 00:51:10,958
And then the

3347
00:51:10,958 --> 00:51:11,916
studies don't

3348
00:51:11,916 --> 00:51:12,708
have the context

3349
00:51:12,708 --> 00:51:13,083
or deep

3350
00:51:13,083 --> 00:51:13,541
understanding.

3351
00:51:13,541 --> 00:51:14,916
Yes of that that

3352
00:51:14,916 --> 00:51:15,958
intimacy of our

3353
00:51:16,750 --> 00:51:17,083
societies

3354
00:51:17,958 --> 00:51:19,166
I like i've read

3355
00:51:19,166 --> 00:51:19,791
lots of books

3356
00:51:19,791 --> 00:51:20,250
about my own

3357
00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:21,000
community from

3358
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:21,833
outsiders or

3359
00:51:21,833 --> 00:51:22,291
studies from

3360
00:51:22,291 --> 00:51:23,333
outsiders and it

3361
00:51:23,333 --> 00:51:24,041
just feels off

3362
00:51:24,291 --> 00:51:25,000
Yeah, you know

3363
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:25,625
like somebody

3364
00:51:25,625 --> 00:51:26,083
says the wrong

3365
00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:27,166
thing. Yeah, like

3366
00:51:27,166 --> 00:51:27,958
when like when an

3367
00:51:27,958 --> 00:51:28,666
american pretends

3368
00:51:28,666 --> 00:51:29,291
to be canadian

3369
00:51:31,083 --> 00:51:31,583
It's just like

3370
00:51:31,583 --> 00:51:32,166
it's just it's

3371
00:51:32,166 --> 00:51:33,166
just off. Yeah,

3372
00:51:33,166 --> 00:51:34,250
um, because you

3373
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:34,666
just you just

3374
00:51:34,666 --> 00:51:35,458
don't have that

3375
00:51:35,708 --> 00:51:36,416
that cultural

3376
00:51:36,416 --> 00:51:37,041
experience

3377
00:51:37,041 --> 00:51:37,666
for sure of

3378
00:51:38,125 --> 00:51:38,708
That deep

3379
00:51:38,708 --> 00:51:39,416
knowledge and

3380
00:51:39,416 --> 00:51:40,000
understanding of

3381
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:40,750
living in that

3382
00:51:40,750 --> 00:51:41,000
island

3383
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:41,791
society is like

3384
00:51:42,375 --> 00:51:43,958
Um, and we've got

3385
00:51:43,958 --> 00:51:44,666
experts now we've

3386
00:51:44,666 --> 00:51:45,375
got we've got

3387
00:51:45,375 --> 00:51:46,208
kids with phds

3388
00:51:46,208 --> 00:51:46,916
kids when

3389
00:51:46,916 --> 00:51:47,333
I say kids

3390
00:51:47,333 --> 00:51:47,666
I mean like

3391
00:51:47,666 --> 00:51:48,083
people in their

3392
00:51:48,083 --> 00:51:49,041
30s and 40s. Yes,

3393
00:51:49,041 --> 00:51:50,166
uh, but we we

3394
00:51:50,166 --> 00:51:50,833
have our own

3395
00:51:50,833 --> 00:51:52,083
experts. Um, who

3396
00:51:52,083 --> 00:51:52,666
can help

3397
00:51:53,208 --> 00:51:53,666
Guide this work

3398
00:51:53,666 --> 00:51:54,833
who can do it in

3399
00:51:54,833 --> 00:51:56,041
a way that our

3400
00:51:56,041 --> 00:51:56,541
people will

3401
00:51:56,541 --> 00:51:57,333
respond to it

3402
00:51:57,583 --> 00:51:58,416
Yeah, and does

3403
00:51:58,416 --> 00:51:58,916
this require

3404
00:51:58,916 --> 00:52:00,083
funding for

3405
00:52:00,083 --> 00:52:00,750
people to be able

3406
00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:01,583
to do that and

3407
00:52:01,583 --> 00:52:02,875
where so so is

3408
00:52:02,875 --> 00:52:03,250
this like

3409
00:52:03,708 --> 00:52:04,458
It's a call on

3410
00:52:04,458 --> 00:52:05,250
like foundations

3411
00:52:05,250 --> 00:52:06,333
who want this

3412
00:52:06,333 --> 00:52:06,750
data. Yeah

3413
00:52:07,333 --> 00:52:08,625
Are it's it's a

3414
00:52:08,625 --> 00:52:09,041
little bit of

3415
00:52:10,125 --> 00:52:11,083
some of it's like

3416
00:52:11,916 --> 00:52:12,708
We see what we

3417
00:52:12,708 --> 00:52:13,083
see what the

3418
00:52:13,083 --> 00:52:13,541
government is

3419
00:52:13,541 --> 00:52:14,708
doing and it's in

3420
00:52:14,708 --> 00:52:15,166
a couple years.

3421
00:52:15,166 --> 00:52:15,666
We're going to

3422
00:52:15,666 --> 00:52:15,791
get the

3423
00:52:15,791 --> 00:52:16,083
government

3424
00:52:16,083 --> 00:52:16,750
to go back

3425
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:17,541
Hopefully the

3426
00:52:17,541 --> 00:52:18,416
data survives

3427
00:52:18,833 --> 00:52:19,500
Um, but

3428
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:20,166
philanthropy

3429
00:52:20,166 --> 00:52:20,625
doesn't have

3430
00:52:20,625 --> 00:52:21,500
enough money to

3431
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:21,958
replace the

3432
00:52:21,958 --> 00:52:22,333
government

3433
00:52:22,750 --> 00:52:24,166
Um, but so we we

3434
00:52:24,166 --> 00:52:24,583
need to offer

3435
00:52:24,583 --> 00:52:25,500
them some nuggets

3436
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:27,083
of ideas of of

3437
00:52:27,083 --> 00:52:28,000
things that they

3438
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:28,583
can study

3439
00:52:28,916 --> 00:52:29,500
Things that they

3440
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:30,708
can fund that

3441
00:52:30,708 --> 00:52:31,250
will deliver

3442
00:52:32,208 --> 00:52:33,125
Some

3443
00:52:33,125 --> 00:52:34,291
understanding of

3444
00:52:34,291 --> 00:52:34,833
what's happening.

3445
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:36,166
Yeah, but but

3446
00:52:36,166 --> 00:52:37,125
again, like I do

3447
00:52:37,125 --> 00:52:37,333
think

3448
00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:38,041
that this has

3449
00:52:38,041 --> 00:52:38,791
global

3450
00:52:38,791 --> 00:52:39,541
significance

3451
00:52:39,541 --> 00:52:40,916
because it's it's

3452
00:52:40,916 --> 00:52:42,625
very rare that an

3453
00:52:42,625 --> 00:52:43,750
area of a million

3454
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:44,125
square kilometers

3455
00:52:44,375 --> 00:52:45,750
That was close to

3456
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:46,958
fishing suddenly

3457
00:52:46,958 --> 00:52:47,625
gets fished.

3458
00:52:47,625 --> 00:52:48,166
Yeah, like

3459
00:52:48,166 --> 00:52:49,291
this. It's

3460
00:52:49,875 --> 00:52:50,375
We need that

3461
00:52:50,375 --> 00:52:51,083
data. We need

3462
00:52:51,083 --> 00:52:52,541
that. Yeah, it

3463
00:52:52,541 --> 00:52:53,083
could either it

3464
00:52:53,083 --> 00:52:53,666
could confirm

3465
00:52:53,666 --> 00:52:54,333
everything that

3466
00:52:54,333 --> 00:52:54,958
we've been saying

3467
00:52:54,958 --> 00:52:55,750
for 20 years

3468
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:56,625
Or it could throw

3469
00:52:56,625 --> 00:52:56,916
it out the

3470
00:52:56,916 --> 00:52:57,416
window. This

3471
00:52:57,416 --> 00:52:57,791
could fund

3472
00:52:57,791 --> 00:52:58,458
probably about

3473
00:52:58,666 --> 00:53:00,250
17 phds

3474
00:53:02,291 --> 00:53:03,000
Not and then

3475
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:03,625
that's not even

3476
00:53:03,625 --> 00:53:04,000
including

3477
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:04,833
master's students

3478
00:53:04,833 --> 00:53:05,625
like it's

3479
00:53:05,625 --> 00:53:06,416
it's uh,

3480
00:53:06,458 --> 00:53:07,166
uh, there's

3481
00:53:07,166 --> 00:53:07,583
definitely an

3482
00:53:07,583 --> 00:53:08,416
opportunity right

3483
00:53:08,416 --> 00:53:09,791
now given given

3484
00:53:09,791 --> 00:53:10,416
the circumstances

3485
00:53:10,416 --> 00:53:11,500
to be able to

3486
00:53:11,875 --> 00:53:12,416
um

3487
00:53:12,958 --> 00:53:13,500
You know bring

3488
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:14,583
this together and

3489
00:53:14,583 --> 00:53:15,583
and and you know

3490
00:53:15,583 --> 00:53:16,166
at least

3491
00:53:16,166 --> 00:53:17,333
learn from it

3492
00:53:17,625 --> 00:53:18,416
Uh and see what

3493
00:53:18,416 --> 00:53:19,000
the ramifications

3494
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,041
are going to be

3495
00:53:20,041 --> 00:53:20,666
in the future and

3496
00:53:20,666 --> 00:53:20,958
what the

3497
00:53:20,958 --> 00:53:21,333
ramifications

3498
00:53:21,333 --> 00:53:22,041
have been

3499
00:53:22,375 --> 00:53:23,416
in the past with

3500
00:53:23,416 --> 00:53:24,666
this 10 years of

3501
00:53:24,666 --> 00:53:26,083
of closing off

3502
00:53:26,083 --> 00:53:27,333
like a 50 to 200

3503
00:53:27,333 --> 00:53:27,625
nautical

3504
00:53:27,625 --> 00:53:28,375
mile area

3505
00:53:29,416 --> 00:53:30,125
around these

3506
00:53:30,125 --> 00:53:30,708
these wonderful

3507
00:53:30,708 --> 00:53:31,375
islands and I

3508
00:53:31,375 --> 00:53:31,875
think that's

3509
00:53:31,875 --> 00:53:33,166
that's a really

3510
00:53:33,166 --> 00:53:33,708
important

3511
00:53:33,708 --> 00:53:34,166
a really

3512
00:53:34,166 --> 00:53:34,708
important thing

3513
00:53:34,708 --> 00:53:36,708
to do um what's

3514
00:53:36,708 --> 00:53:37,583
the you've

3515
00:53:37,583 --> 00:53:38,041
mentioned it a

3516
00:53:38,041 --> 00:53:38,625
couple times you

3517
00:53:38,625 --> 00:53:39,125
think that

3518
00:53:39,125 --> 00:53:39,416
it's probably

3519
00:53:39,416 --> 00:53:40,000
going to open up

3520
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,291
again like why

3521
00:53:41,291 --> 00:53:42,000
would it why

3522
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:42,458
would it

3523
00:53:42,458 --> 00:53:43,250
open up again?

3524
00:53:44,250 --> 00:53:44,666
I I think the

3525
00:53:44,666 --> 00:53:44,833
Trump

3526
00:53:44,833 --> 00:53:45,250
administration

3527
00:53:45,250 --> 00:53:46,500
wants to I think

3528
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:47,083
they want to give

3529
00:53:47,083 --> 00:53:47,708
industry a

3530
00:53:47,708 --> 00:53:48,208
green light

3531
00:53:48,916 --> 00:53:49,875
and they they

3532
00:53:49,875 --> 00:53:50,500
tried to break

3533
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:51,916
the law um but we

3534
00:53:51,916 --> 00:53:52,416
called them on

3535
00:53:52,416 --> 00:53:53,250
that and we still

3536
00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:54,166
have judges who

3537
00:53:54,208 --> 00:53:55,166
will stand up to

3538
00:53:55,166 --> 00:53:55,666
lawbreakers.

3539
00:53:56,333 --> 00:53:58,375
Yeah, um, so uh

3540
00:53:58,375 --> 00:53:59,083
now they're

3541
00:53:59,083 --> 00:53:59,583
they're gonna try

3542
00:53:59,583 --> 00:54:00,416
to do it the

3543
00:54:00,416 --> 00:54:01,375
legal way. Yeah,

3544
00:54:01,375 --> 00:54:02,541
uh, which which

3545
00:54:02,541 --> 00:54:02,916
is going

3546
00:54:02,916 --> 00:54:03,500
to require

3547
00:54:03,875 --> 00:54:05,500
a public notice a

3548
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:05,708
public

3549
00:54:05,708 --> 00:54:06,458
comment period

3550
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:07,458
Uh, they'll

3551
00:54:07,458 --> 00:54:07,875
probably get

3552
00:54:07,875 --> 00:54:08,291
buried in

3553
00:54:08,291 --> 00:54:09,250
comments. Yeah,

3554
00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:09,791
so that'll take

3555
00:54:09,791 --> 00:54:10,541
them weeks and

3556
00:54:10,541 --> 00:54:11,500
months years

3557
00:54:12,125 --> 00:54:13,000
uh to go through

3558
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:14,375
Um, and then

3559
00:54:14,375 --> 00:54:14,666
they'll put

3560
00:54:14,666 --> 00:54:15,208
something out.

3561
00:54:15,208 --> 00:54:16,541
Um, and you know,

3562
00:54:16,541 --> 00:54:17,125
if they if

3563
00:54:17,125 --> 00:54:17,916
there's a misstep

3564
00:54:18,375 --> 00:54:18,916
Somebody will sue

3565
00:54:18,916 --> 00:54:19,958
them. Yeah, uh,

3566
00:54:19,958 --> 00:54:20,125
they're gonna

3567
00:54:20,125 --> 00:54:20,708
have to be very

3568
00:54:20,708 --> 00:54:21,250
careful because

3569
00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:21,541
people are

3570
00:54:21,541 --> 00:54:21,791
watching

3571
00:54:22,708 --> 00:54:22,958
People are

3572
00:54:22,958 --> 00:54:23,500
watching people

3573
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:23,958
are fighting.

3574
00:54:23,958 --> 00:54:24,125
This is

3575
00:54:24,125 --> 00:54:24,750
unpopular. This

3576
00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:25,291
is deeply

3577
00:54:25,291 --> 00:54:26,166
unpopular. Yeah

3578
00:54:26,458 --> 00:54:27,500
Um, Americans

3579
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:28,583
love our public

3580
00:54:28,583 --> 00:54:29,291
lands and waters.

3581
00:54:29,291 --> 00:54:30,500
Yeah, and we we

3582
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:31,750
understand why we

3583
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:31,958
have

3584
00:54:31,958 --> 00:54:32,583
protected areas

3585
00:54:32,916 --> 00:54:33,291
Do you think

3586
00:54:33,291 --> 00:54:33,750
there's a

3587
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:34,416
possibility to

3588
00:54:34,416 --> 00:54:35,416
delay this

3589
00:54:35,416 --> 00:54:36,541
process with the

3590
00:54:36,541 --> 00:54:37,041
comments and

3591
00:54:37,041 --> 00:54:37,458
everything like

3592
00:54:37,458 --> 00:54:38,000
that and burying

3593
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:38,458
them under those

3594
00:54:38,458 --> 00:54:38,875
comments where

3595
00:54:38,875 --> 00:54:39,333
they have to

3596
00:54:39,333 --> 00:54:39,875
address them?

3597
00:54:40,291 --> 00:54:40,666
To the point

3598
00:54:40,666 --> 00:54:41,250
where it gets

3599
00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:42,000
close to the end

3600
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:42,791
of of this

3601
00:54:42,791 --> 00:54:43,541
administration's

3602
00:54:43,541 --> 00:54:43,875
time

3603
00:54:44,708 --> 00:54:45,125
That's the

3604
00:54:45,125 --> 00:54:46,083
hope. Yeah

3605
00:54:46,583 --> 00:54:48,583
um, and it's uh

3606
00:54:49,416 --> 00:54:50,208
You know the

3607
00:54:50,208 --> 00:54:50,500
trump

3608
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:50,833
administration

3609
00:54:50,833 --> 00:54:51,500
was talking about

3610
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:52,000
flooding the

3611
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,250
zone. Uh, steve

3612
00:54:53,250 --> 00:54:53,833
bannon is like

3613
00:54:53,833 --> 00:54:54,125
they're just

3614
00:54:54,125 --> 00:54:54,500
throwing

3615
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:55,166
everything

3616
00:54:55,166 --> 00:54:56,708
all at once

3617
00:54:56,708 --> 00:54:58,708
Yeah, see what

3618
00:54:58,708 --> 00:54:59,416
sticks so

3619
00:55:00,208 --> 00:55:00,500
See what

3620
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:01,416
sticks? Um

3621
00:55:02,083 --> 00:55:03,208
And uh, you know,

3622
00:55:03,208 --> 00:55:03,583
we're fighting

3623
00:55:03,583 --> 00:55:04,666
this we're

3624
00:55:04,666 --> 00:55:05,291
fighting deep sea

3625
00:55:05,291 --> 00:55:06,166
mining in america

3626
00:55:06,166 --> 00:55:06,750
and samoa

3627
00:55:07,416 --> 00:55:08,500
Um, we might be

3628
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:09,166
fighting openings

3629
00:55:09,166 --> 00:55:10,000
up of other

3630
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,041
protected areas

3631
00:55:11,041 --> 00:55:12,166
on land

3632
00:55:12,166 --> 00:55:12,916
and on waters

3633
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:14,791
um all while the

3634
00:55:14,791 --> 00:55:15,416
national guard,

3635
00:55:15,416 --> 00:55:16,375
um is

3636
00:55:16,375 --> 00:55:17,291
patrolling our

3637
00:55:17,958 --> 00:55:19,583
metro stops, um,

3638
00:55:19,833 --> 00:55:21,041
and while ice is

3639
00:55:21,041 --> 00:55:21,791
picking up

3640
00:55:22,625 --> 00:55:23,666
immigrants, uh

3641
00:55:24,583 --> 00:55:26,166
It's uh, it's a

3642
00:55:26,166 --> 00:55:27,000
lot. It's a lot

3643
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:27,750
going on a lot to

3644
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:28,291
be distracted

3645
00:55:28,291 --> 00:55:29,416
like it's easy to

3646
00:55:29,416 --> 00:55:30,375
be distracted by

3647
00:55:30,916 --> 00:55:31,250
different

3648
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:31,750
priorities

3649
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:32,458
depending on

3650
00:55:33,166 --> 00:55:33,791
Where you're from

3651
00:55:33,791 --> 00:55:34,625
how you how you

3652
00:55:34,625 --> 00:55:35,458
know what your

3653
00:55:35,458 --> 00:55:36,500
family's like and

3654
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:37,625
and relatives and

3655
00:55:37,625 --> 00:55:38,208
everything like

3656
00:55:38,208 --> 00:55:38,416
that,

3657
00:55:38,416 --> 00:55:39,458
right? It's uh,

3658
00:55:40,083 --> 00:55:40,666
It's a we live in

3659
00:55:40,666 --> 00:55:41,416
interesting times

3660
00:55:41,416 --> 00:55:42,041
very interesting

3661
00:55:42,041 --> 00:55:42,916
times. Yeah.

3662
00:55:42,916 --> 00:55:44,291
Yeah, so well

3663
00:55:44,291 --> 00:55:44,833
angel. I I

3664
00:55:44,833 --> 00:55:45,583
appreciate you

3665
00:55:45,583 --> 00:55:46,166
coming on

3666
00:55:46,208 --> 00:55:47,333
I know this was

3667
00:55:47,333 --> 00:55:48,375
me go it's it's

3668
00:55:48,375 --> 00:55:50,000
important for uh,

3669
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:50,333
for the both of

3670
00:55:50,333 --> 00:55:50,750
us to get this

3671
00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:51,125
out there

3672
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:51,958
I definitely

3673
00:55:51,958 --> 00:55:52,375
agree with you

3674
00:55:52,375 --> 00:55:53,000
that we need to

3675
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:53,750
science the shit

3676
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:54,750
out of this and

3677
00:55:54,750 --> 00:55:56,000
hopefully get um,

3678
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:56,625
You know get some

3679
00:55:56,625 --> 00:55:57,250
answers and to

3680
00:55:57,250 --> 00:55:58,000
see you know,

3681
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:58,916
what's what's

3682
00:55:58,916 --> 00:55:59,666
coming and and

3683
00:55:59,666 --> 00:56:00,833
for everybody?

3684
00:56:01,458 --> 00:56:02,041
Uh, you know,

3685
00:56:02,041 --> 00:56:02,833
we'll follow this

3686
00:56:02,833 --> 00:56:04,041
story and for all

3687
00:56:04,041 --> 00:56:04,541
everybody's

3688
00:56:04,541 --> 00:56:05,041
listening to the

3689
00:56:05,041 --> 00:56:05,416
audience

3690
00:56:05,416 --> 00:56:06,041
We'll make sure

3691
00:56:06,041 --> 00:56:07,125
that we'll tell

3692
00:56:07,125 --> 00:56:07,541
you when the

3693
00:56:07,541 --> 00:56:08,375
public comment is

3694
00:56:08,375 --> 00:56:09,500
open. Uh, and

3695
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:10,500
then do you do

3696
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:10,916
your thing?

3697
00:56:10,916 --> 00:56:11,458
You know if you

3698
00:56:11,458 --> 00:56:11,791
want this

3699
00:56:11,791 --> 00:56:12,541
mpa to be

3700
00:56:12,958 --> 00:56:14,125
uh to be an mpa

3701
00:56:14,125 --> 00:56:15,083
and stay an mpa,

3702
00:56:15,083 --> 00:56:16,083
you know, give us

3703
00:56:16,083 --> 00:56:16,750
your give us the

3704
00:56:16,750 --> 00:56:17,791
reasons and and

3705
00:56:17,791 --> 00:56:18,375
give it to them

3706
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:19,041
and just

3707
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:20,416
Do what we can do

3708
00:56:20,416 --> 00:56:21,000
what we can do

3709
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,000
and and uh follow

3710
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:22,708
the law and

3711
00:56:22,708 --> 00:56:23,000
that's what

3712
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:23,541
that's what we're

3713
00:56:23,541 --> 00:56:23,875
going to do

3714
00:56:23,875 --> 00:56:24,416
So angel, I

3715
00:56:24,416 --> 00:56:24,833
appreciate you

3716
00:56:24,833 --> 00:56:25,208
coming on the

3717
00:56:25,208 --> 00:56:26,625
podcast and um

3718
00:56:26,625 --> 00:56:27,125
and letting us

3719
00:56:27,125 --> 00:56:27,833
know about this

3720
00:56:28,666 --> 00:56:29,250
Thank you. Angelo

3721
00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:29,875
for joining us on

3722
00:56:29,875 --> 00:56:30,500
today's episode

3723
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:31,166
of the how to

3724
00:56:31,166 --> 00:56:31,500
protect the

3725
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:32,041
ocean podcast

3726
00:56:32,041 --> 00:56:32,583
It was great to

3727
00:56:32,583 --> 00:56:33,250
have you on such

3728
00:56:33,250 --> 00:56:33,708
an important

3729
00:56:33,708 --> 00:56:34,500
issue that we

3730
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:34,791
need to

3731
00:56:34,791 --> 00:56:35,250
talk about

3732
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:36,166
The fact is like

3733
00:56:36,166 --> 00:56:37,041
no matter what we

3734
00:56:37,041 --> 00:56:37,875
think of policies

3735
00:56:37,875 --> 00:56:38,500
that are put in

3736
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:39,166
place by

3737
00:56:39,166 --> 00:56:39,750
governments in

3738
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:40,583
power or the

3739
00:56:40,583 --> 00:56:41,125
parties that are

3740
00:56:41,125 --> 00:56:41,375
in power

3741
00:56:41,416 --> 00:56:41,666
Of these

3742
00:56:41,666 --> 00:56:42,125
governments

3743
00:56:42,125 --> 00:56:43,250
science needs to

3744
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:44,041
happen. This is

3745
00:56:44,041 --> 00:56:44,791
an opportunity to

3746
00:56:44,791 --> 00:56:45,916
find out one

3747
00:56:46,208 --> 00:56:47,291
How this monument

3748
00:56:47,291 --> 00:56:47,875
has actually

3749
00:56:47,875 --> 00:56:48,875
benefited if it

3750
00:56:48,875 --> 00:56:50,000
has benefited the

3751
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:50,750
fish that were

3752
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:51,458
protected from

3753
00:56:51,458 --> 00:56:52,250
fishing over the

3754
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:52,666
last 10

3755
00:56:52,666 --> 00:56:53,791
years and two

3756
00:56:54,208 --> 00:56:54,750
What has this

3757
00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:55,291
done for the

3758
00:56:55,291 --> 00:56:55,708
fishery that's

3759
00:56:55,708 --> 00:56:56,791
now open and how

3760
00:56:56,791 --> 00:56:57,583
has it benefited?

3761
00:56:57,958 --> 00:56:58,541
socioeconomically

3762
00:56:58,541 --> 00:56:59,416
to the people who

3763
00:56:59,416 --> 00:57:00,250
depend on these

3764
00:57:00,250 --> 00:57:01,000
fish to sell

3765
00:57:01,250 --> 00:57:02,041
As angel said

3766
00:57:02,041 --> 00:57:02,458
during the

3767
00:57:02,458 --> 00:57:03,166
interview the

3768
00:57:03,166 --> 00:57:03,916
people in the

3769
00:57:03,916 --> 00:57:04,166
island

3770
00:57:04,166 --> 00:57:04,958
communities look

3771
00:57:04,958 --> 00:57:05,625
at it is like if

3772
00:57:05,625 --> 00:57:06,166
there's fish out

3773
00:57:06,166 --> 00:57:06,375
there if

3774
00:57:06,375 --> 00:57:06,791
the ocean

3775
00:57:06,791 --> 00:57:07,375
Is healthy then I

3776
00:57:07,375 --> 00:57:07,666
have a fish

3777
00:57:07,666 --> 00:57:08,208
on my plate

3778
00:57:08,583 --> 00:57:09,208
That's how they

3779
00:57:09,208 --> 00:57:10,166
look at the

3780
00:57:10,166 --> 00:57:10,666
health of the

3781
00:57:10,666 --> 00:57:11,500
ocean and so

3782
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:12,000
that's something

3783
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:12,583
that could be

3784
00:57:12,583 --> 00:57:12,875
measured

3785
00:57:12,875 --> 00:57:13,333
That's something

3786
00:57:13,333 --> 00:57:13,958
that could look

3787
00:57:13,958 --> 00:57:14,500
at if they're

3788
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:15,125
able to sell

3789
00:57:15,125 --> 00:57:15,583
fish. They're

3790
00:57:15,583 --> 00:57:16,333
able to benefit

3791
00:57:16,333 --> 00:57:17,458
economically and

3792
00:57:17,458 --> 00:57:17,833
socially

3793
00:57:17,958 --> 00:57:18,875
There's a lot of

3794
00:57:18,875 --> 00:57:19,250
things that can

3795
00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:19,916
go in. There's a

3796
00:57:19,916 --> 00:57:20,375
lot of

3797
00:57:20,375 --> 00:57:20,875
collaborations

3798
00:57:20,875 --> 00:57:21,541
that can happen

3799
00:57:21,875 --> 00:57:22,291
You know

3800
00:57:22,375 --> 00:57:23,458
We need money and

3801
00:57:23,458 --> 00:57:24,208
funding to do

3802
00:57:24,208 --> 00:57:24,666
that kind of

3803
00:57:24,666 --> 00:57:25,333
stuff in a

3804
00:57:25,333 --> 00:57:26,166
position where we

3805
00:57:26,166 --> 00:57:26,416
have an

3806
00:57:26,416 --> 00:57:27,166
opportunity to

3807
00:57:27,166 --> 00:57:28,000
look at the

3808
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:28,708
science of

3809
00:57:28,708 --> 00:57:29,166
these big

3810
00:57:29,166 --> 00:57:29,875
Pictures and when

3811
00:57:29,875 --> 00:57:30,583
you take away a

3812
00:57:30,583 --> 00:57:31,875
million square

3813
00:57:31,875 --> 00:57:33,750
miles from 1.3

3814
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:34,375
million square

3815
00:57:34,375 --> 00:57:34,833
miles of

3816
00:57:34,833 --> 00:57:35,083
protection

3817
00:57:35,250 --> 00:57:35,833
You know, you're

3818
00:57:35,833 --> 00:57:36,458
looking at a big

3819
00:57:36,458 --> 00:57:37,625
area and this is

3820
00:57:37,625 --> 00:57:38,000
something that

3821
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:38,375
has been

3822
00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:39,375
unprecedented as

3823
00:57:39,375 --> 00:57:39,791
angela has

3824
00:57:39,791 --> 00:57:40,083
mentioned

3825
00:57:40,083 --> 00:57:41,458
So being able to

3826
00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:42,000
monitor this

3827
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:42,791
being able to see

3828
00:57:42,791 --> 00:57:43,458
the effects the

3829
00:57:43,458 --> 00:57:44,125
benefits that

3830
00:57:44,125 --> 00:57:44,958
potentially this

3831
00:57:44,958 --> 00:57:45,458
marine protector

3832
00:57:45,458 --> 00:57:46,208
has provided

3833
00:57:46,458 --> 00:57:47,083
And seeing how

3834
00:57:47,083 --> 00:57:47,958
that would do

3835
00:57:47,958 --> 00:57:49,125
opening it up to

3836
00:57:49,125 --> 00:57:49,958
the fishery or

3837
00:57:49,958 --> 00:57:50,750
even if it's over

3838
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:51,625
the last three or

3839
00:57:51,625 --> 00:57:52,125
four months

3840
00:57:52,291 --> 00:57:53,125
And maybe even

3841
00:57:53,125 --> 00:57:54,291
later on that's

3842
00:57:54,291 --> 00:57:54,750
something that we

3843
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:55,333
need to measure

3844
00:57:55,333 --> 00:57:55,708
That's something

3845
00:57:55,708 --> 00:57:56,250
that we need to

3846
00:57:56,250 --> 00:57:56,916
find out what the

3847
00:57:56,916 --> 00:57:57,541
benefits are so

3848
00:57:57,541 --> 00:57:58,000
that we can show

3849
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,125
the benefits of

3850
00:57:59,125 --> 00:57:59,791
that if there are

3851
00:57:59,791 --> 00:58:00,125
benefits

3852
00:58:00,125 --> 00:58:00,666
So we're going to

3853
00:58:00,666 --> 00:58:01,125
find out

3854
00:58:01,125 --> 00:58:01,500
hopefully

3855
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:02,333
through science

3856
00:58:02,583 --> 00:58:03,291
But when the

3857
00:58:03,291 --> 00:58:04,083
public comment

3858
00:58:04,083 --> 00:58:05,125
period comes out

3859
00:58:05,125 --> 00:58:06,500
for opening up

3860
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:07,333
the marine

3861
00:58:07,333 --> 00:58:08,208
sanctuary again

3862
00:58:08,208 --> 00:58:08,708
We'll definitely

3863
00:58:08,708 --> 00:58:09,208
let you know

3864
00:58:09,208 --> 00:58:09,500
We'll be

3865
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:10,000
following this

3866
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,041
story because we

3867
00:58:11,041 --> 00:58:11,875
are going to need

3868
00:58:11,875 --> 00:58:12,708
everybody to

3869
00:58:12,708 --> 00:58:14,208
mention why it's

3870
00:58:14,208 --> 00:58:14,791
so important to

3871
00:58:14,791 --> 00:58:15,333
keep this close

3872
00:58:15,333 --> 00:58:16,041
So that's going

3873
00:58:16,041 --> 00:58:16,500
to be something

3874
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:16,916
that's very

3875
00:58:16,916 --> 00:58:17,333
important

3876
00:58:17,541 --> 00:58:18,416
And I hope that

3877
00:58:18,416 --> 00:58:19,000
you can help us

3878
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:19,583
with that if you

3879
00:58:19,583 --> 00:58:19,916
have any

3880
00:58:19,916 --> 00:58:20,333
questions or

3881
00:58:20,333 --> 00:58:21,000
comments on this

3882
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:21,500
episode or

3883
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:22,000
this topic

3884
00:58:22,041 --> 00:58:22,958
Please put them

3885
00:58:22,958 --> 00:58:23,583
in the comments

3886
00:58:23,583 --> 00:58:24,041
below if you're

3887
00:58:24,041 --> 00:58:24,166
watching

3888
00:58:24,166 --> 00:58:24,791
this on youtube

3889
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:25,791
Or you can get a

3890
00:58:25,791 --> 00:58:26,458
hold of me by

3891
00:58:26,458 --> 00:58:26,791
going to

3892
00:58:26,791 --> 00:58:27,625
instagram dmme

3893
00:58:28,041 --> 00:58:29,125
Go to act how to

3894
00:58:29,125 --> 00:58:29,916
protect the ocean

3895
00:58:29,916 --> 00:58:30,625
or you can go to

3896
00:58:30,625 --> 00:58:31,000
speak up for

3897
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,041
blue.com forward

3898
00:58:32,041 --> 00:58:33,458
slash contact and

3899
00:58:33,458 --> 00:58:33,666
you can

3900
00:58:33,666 --> 00:58:34,083
contact me

3901
00:58:34,083 --> 00:58:34,500
It goes right to

3902
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:35,125
my personal email

3903
00:58:35,125 --> 00:58:35,750
I'd love to hear

3904
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:36,708
from you about

3905
00:58:36,708 --> 00:58:37,458
this subject and

3906
00:58:37,458 --> 00:58:38,375
what you think of

3907
00:58:38,375 --> 00:58:38,666
it all

3908
00:58:38,666 --> 00:58:39,208
politics aside

3909
00:58:39,625 --> 00:58:40,625
Like I get that

3910
00:58:40,625 --> 00:58:41,333
it's a tough time

3911
00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:42,041
in the us

3912
00:58:42,291 --> 00:58:42,958
Let's look at the

3913
00:58:42,958 --> 00:58:43,916
fact that science

3914
00:58:43,916 --> 00:58:44,375
can help

3915
00:58:44,375 --> 00:58:45,458
understand what's

3916
00:58:45,458 --> 00:58:46,000
happened in the

3917
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:46,708
benefits or

3918
00:58:46,708 --> 00:58:48,041
non-benefits of a

3919
00:58:48,041 --> 00:58:48,541
marine protected

3920
00:58:48,541 --> 00:58:49,750
area in this area

3921
00:58:49,958 --> 00:58:50,458
And especially

3922
00:58:50,458 --> 00:58:51,416
opening up to the

3923
00:58:51,416 --> 00:58:52,125
fisheries. Will

3924
00:58:52,125 --> 00:58:52,958
it benefit? How

3925
00:58:52,958 --> 00:58:53,500
long will it

3926
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:53,791
benefit?

3927
00:58:54,041 --> 00:58:55,375
What could be the

3928
00:58:55,375 --> 00:58:56,333
consequences of

3929
00:58:56,333 --> 00:58:57,000
opening this up

3930
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:57,458
too quickly or

3931
00:58:57,458 --> 00:58:58,000
opening

3932
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:58,625
up at all?

3933
00:58:58,916 --> 00:58:59,583
So that's what I

3934
00:58:59,583 --> 00:59:00,125
want to really

3935
00:59:00,125 --> 00:59:00,833
focus on

3936
00:59:01,083 --> 00:59:01,583
I want to kind of

3937
00:59:01,583 --> 00:59:02,416
keep the politics

3938
00:59:02,416 --> 00:59:03,375
aside to be

3939
00:59:03,375 --> 00:59:04,041
honest because I

3940
00:59:04,041 --> 00:59:04,750
just think people

3941
00:59:04,750 --> 00:59:05,291
are just going to

3942
00:59:05,291 --> 00:59:05,833
get distracted

3943
00:59:05,958 --> 00:59:06,708
You know, it's a

3944
00:59:06,708 --> 00:59:07,500
tough time in the

3945
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:08,125
us. It's a tough

3946
00:59:08,125 --> 00:59:08,875
time worldwide

3947
00:59:09,166 --> 00:59:09,875
But this is

3948
00:59:09,875 --> 00:59:10,333
something that we

3949
00:59:10,333 --> 00:59:10,750
need to do as

3950
00:59:10,750 --> 00:59:11,166
scientists

3951
00:59:11,166 --> 00:59:11,708
We need to

3952
00:59:11,708 --> 00:59:12,375
science the hell

3953
00:59:12,375 --> 00:59:13,000
out of this and

3954
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:13,416
that's something

3955
00:59:13,416 --> 00:59:13,875
that's really

3956
00:59:13,875 --> 00:59:14,208
important

3957
00:59:14,291 --> 00:59:15,083
So I want to

3958
00:59:15,083 --> 00:59:15,500
thank you for

3959
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:16,250
listening to this

3960
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:17,125
episode of how to

3961
00:59:17,125 --> 00:59:17,500
protect the

3962
00:59:17,500 --> 00:59:18,208
ocean podcast

3963
00:59:18,208 --> 00:59:18,958
I want to thank

3964
00:59:18,958 --> 00:59:19,791
angela for coming

3965
00:59:19,791 --> 00:59:20,375
on and bringing

3966
00:59:20,375 --> 00:59:20,916
this to our

3967
00:59:20,916 --> 00:59:21,875
attention and

3968
00:59:21,875 --> 00:59:22,500
thank you for

3969
00:59:22,500 --> 00:59:22,625
listening

3970
00:59:22,666 --> 00:59:23,250
This is something

3971
00:59:23,250 --> 00:59:23,916
that is really

3972
00:59:23,916 --> 00:59:24,708
important to me

3973
00:59:24,708 --> 00:59:25,833
to get you know

3974
00:59:25,833 --> 00:59:26,500
ocean literacy

3975
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:27,458
out there and to

3976
00:59:27,458 --> 00:59:28,125
make sure that we

3977
00:59:28,125 --> 00:59:28,833
understand

3978
00:59:28,833 --> 00:59:29,500
What's happening

3979
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:30,583
in the ocean and

3980
00:59:30,583 --> 00:59:30,958
understanding the

3981
00:59:30,958 --> 00:59:31,750
complexities that

3982
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:32,500
happen as angela

3983
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:33,041
highlighted

3984
00:59:33,166 --> 00:59:33,750
But I want to

3985
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:34,166
thank you again

3986
00:59:34,166 --> 00:59:34,666
for listening

3987
00:59:34,666 --> 00:59:35,416
This has been

3988
00:59:35,416 --> 00:59:36,208
another exciting

3989
00:59:36,208 --> 00:59:36,958
episode of the

3990
00:59:36,958 --> 00:59:37,333
how to protect

3991
00:59:37,333 --> 00:59:38,000
the ocean podcast

3992
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:38,500
I'm your host

3993
00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:39,208
angela and from

3994
00:59:39,208 --> 00:59:39,625
the true north

3995
00:59:39,625 --> 00:59:40,291
strong and free.

3996
00:59:40,291 --> 00:59:41,166
Have a great day

3997
00:59:41,166 --> 00:59:41,625
We'll talk to you

3998
00:59:41,625 --> 00:59:42,416
next time and

3999
00:59:42,416 --> 00:59:42,625
happy

4000
00:59:42,625 --> 00:59:43,041
conservation