Madagascar Environment and Shark Science with Dr. David Ebert

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Have you ever wondered
how sharks get discovered?

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Now, I'm not talking about just,
you know, regular sharks, like

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your great whites, your makos, your
bull sharks, your tiger sharks.

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Those are like sort of the iconic sharks.

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Those are like the popular
kids in class type of sharks.

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But these are the sharks that are really
unknown because they've been lost or

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they haven't been seen in a long time.

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But it's important to know if they've
gone extinct or if they're still around.

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And to be able to say, Hey, there are
actually a lot more sharks than the

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sharks that we talk about or we see in
documentaries and in movies all the time.

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It's important to know the diversity
because it's important to know how

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far they each stretch out in terms
of shape, form, size, look, different

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adaptations, and so forth, and even
different depths within the ocean.

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Well, today on the podcast I have
Dr. David Ebert, who is my co-host

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for the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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He's here to talk about his trip,
recent trip to Madagascar, where he

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went to look for lost sharks, and we're
gonna talk to him about his journey.

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It's gonna be a lot of fun.

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I can't wait to start the show.

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So let's start the show.

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Here we go.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another exciting episode
of the Head to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin,
and this is the podcast where

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you find out what's happening.

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At the ocean, how you can speak up
for the ocean, what you can do to live

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for a better ocean by taking action.

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I have a special treat for you today
because this is an episode that we are

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going to show on Beyond Jaws podcast.

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So if you haven't heard of Beyond
Jaws, I do a separate podcast.

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I co-host it with a friend
of mine, Dr. David Ebert.

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Who I actually met during an interview
for this podcast a number of years

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ago, and we got along so well even
before and after we did the podcast.

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We actually recorded, we actually
talked about an hour or two

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before and after the podcast.

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We spent, you know, about like four
hours on the call just to talk about

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everything, talk about science, talk
about sharks, talk about sports and

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football and all this kind of stuff.

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And it was a lot of fun and we just
got to be friends over that time and

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we decided, hey, you know what's.

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Start a podcast on sharks because
Dave is a shark biologist and he

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is someone who's very into finding
lost sharks and discovering sharks

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that people don't really know about.

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These are like smaller types of sharks, so
they may not look like your typical shark.

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They might be a skate,
they might be a stingray.

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They might.

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Be a manta ray.

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They might be a chimer, like a ghost
shark, or they might be a deep sea shark,

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like a goblin shark or a sleeper shark,
and like all these different types of

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sharks that are out there that we just
don't know, which is why I love the

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show all the Sharks on Netflix because
we were able to see so many different

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types of sharks and shapes and sizes and.

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Different types of adaptations
and colors, of course, which were

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really cool to see during that show.

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Well, Dave's, that's his life.

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Dave is there to discover sharks.

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He's discovered and named over 50
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career, and he's here to talk about
a project, a recent trip that he

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went to go to Madagascar, Africa to
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Now, did he find some, did he not?

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We're kind of keeping that a little
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gonna be showing it on his show.

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At Lost Shark Guy on his YouTube
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you a perspective of what it's like
to look for lost sharks, and it's

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probably not your typical way when
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the field and looking for lost sharks.

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It's very different than going out at sea
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a haystack because the ocean is so vast.

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It's so big.

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It's so deep.

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It's very difficult to just go
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bycatch, although that has happened.

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We saw that on alien sharks.

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On Discovery Channel is some of his
graduate students of the past, and

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so I think it's important to talk
about how Dave finds lost sharks

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in a lot of these countries and how
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This is a series of trips that he's done
over the last three years with help from

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the Save Overseas Foundation that provides
the funding for this type of work.

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And he talks about that and
we're gonna talk all about that.

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On today's episode, so here's
the interview with Dr. David

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Ebert, talking about discovering
Lost sharks in Madagascar.

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Enjoy the interview and
I will talk to you after.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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We're gonna be doing something
a little different today.

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We're having Dave Ebert as our guest
on the podcast today because he just

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came back from an incredible trip
where he was looking for lost sharks.

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It's one of his trips
that he does every year.

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Seems like for the last couple of years.

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Uh, and we are gonna talk about.

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Some of the things he's gonna tease,
some of the things that he may or

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may not have been like searching
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We're gonna talk a lot about sort of
what it's like to go into a country like

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Madagascar, where he went and what it
was like to, you know, go into the fish

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markets and look for these lost sharks
and engage with the local community.

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It's gonna be a great episode.

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Let's get started with the show.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another.

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Citing episode of the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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I am your co-host, Andrew Lewin,
here with my co-host Dr. David Ebert.

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But today's a little different 'cause.

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Dave is our guest today.

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So Dave, welcome to the
Beyond Jaws podcast.

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Are you ready to talk about lost sharks?

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Absolutely Andrew, and thanks for,
thanks for inviting me on the show.

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Isn't it great when you have like a
podcast to yourself, like you're Oh yeah.

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You just be, you're like,
Hey, can I just be the guest?

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Yeah.

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We're gonna talk about my trip.

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Absolutely.

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Because this is what people wanna know and
people wanna know about your trip, right?

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And plus it's easy to book me.

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We're doing this like, just to let
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we're recording this is on Thanksgiving,
Canadian Thanksgiving, uh, so it's,

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it is like I've had the day off.

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I had a little break with family stuff
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Dave's like, Hey, you wanna get together?

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Let's talk about it.

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I'm like, absolutely, let's do it today.

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'cause we actually have
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And for all those who you don't know,
some of the, some of you who have been

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guests on the podcast know that when
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And before Dave and I talked
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So it's, it's been a long haul already.

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We've already been talking for an hour.

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We'll probably talk for
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Uh, but that's the experience you
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the future, uh, that's what to expect.

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So just to let you know that.

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But regardless, Dave, uh.

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You are, you just came back from
an incredible trip to Madagascar

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looking for lost Sharks.

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Can you talk a little bit, just set it up.

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This has been a bit of a series.

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We've been doing the videos on
Lost Shark guy on, on YouTube.

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We'll put the link in in the show notes.

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Can you just talk about sort of your
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and how you ended up in Madagascar?

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Well, I gotta start off saying
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goes to the Save RCS Foundation.

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Which is, I have a Keystone grant
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been, they've been s spectacular with
the supporting this and the projects.

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The project's really been to raise
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these are species that haven't been
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in a century or more sometimes.

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And it's also also just to raise awareness
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people don't think about as sharks.

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Things like the white shark,
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high profile, charismatic ones.

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People know popular, the popular
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don't think about, especially in
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developing countries like Madagascar.

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And so the project I've been working
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with their support has been to go
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Mm-hmm.

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We start off, two years ago, we went to,
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Spent spent, you know, spent few, several
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looking for some different shark species.

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Made a lot of great contacts there.

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And in fact, the first, uh, we on,
on my YouTube channel, uh, at Lost

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Shark Guy on YouTube, the series,
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or Live, the first four episodes
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to four really focus a lot on.

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Some of the South American species
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that have been been, uh, uh,
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One, case one we didn't find, um,
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And they're all, they're all short,
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few minutes if you, so it doesn't
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And then, um, and then last
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We went to, first we went to Darwin
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Uh, looking for river sharks.

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Then from there we went on to Timor.

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Lessie, just an incredible place.

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And if you don't know where Timor-Leste
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Go look at a map.

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This place is like, yeah, almost no one
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Australia or that part of the world.

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It was just one of the most.

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Unbelievable trips I've ever had.

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And we're gonna be having an episode
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the fourth, coming in a few months now.

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And then from there, we went
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starting in the, in the east.

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Went through several places.

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Ended up in far western Indonesia,
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new species there, uh, rare species.

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Um, and the, and the cool thing
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and of course this, this year we
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Uh, but I'm working
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That are basically a lot of young,
early career students, uh, uh,

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conservationists, uh, researchers.

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And so it's kind of, it's been really
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They're kind of passing along what I
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these young people in these countries.

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If you're basically the next generation,
it'll be, you know, taking the torch.

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You know, in the coming years.

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And a lot of these, you know,
most of these people are all like,

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just really top-notch people.

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And I hope if you've been following
the series, we've had, most of

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'em have been on the podcast here.

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And so if you have a chance, like be
sure to check in, you know, follow

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the podcast, check out the series,
and then you can, you can follow

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these other, these people out on
their social media platforms as well.

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And uh, so that's been really
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to me is just to be able to.

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Work with a lot of these young
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and you'll hear, hear about some
of the people in Madagascar now.

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Uh, that I had a chance
to work with this year.

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And, uh, so anyway, check out that
series, uh, on the YouTube channel and,

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uh, and you find out more about it.

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And of course go to the Beyond
Jaws 'cause you can hear most

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of those people speaking there.

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Um, and it's a, it's a phenomenal series.

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Like I know we're biased, but
it's, it's fun because it gives

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you a, a taste of what you do in
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A lot of, a lot of people and certainly
myself, when I heard, you know, before

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I knew who you were, like before we met
and stuff like that, I, I started to, you

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know, do some research before you came
on the podcast for the first time, and.

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I was like, oh, how do
you search for lot sharks?

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Do you go out to sea all the time
and, and like, go to these TRAs?

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Because I saw Alien Sharks.

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You know, when, when the Discovery
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there at the time and, and I was like,
oh, this is kind of an interesting way.

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Like, but it's gotta be like, you know,
you're looking for a needle in the

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haystack here we're talking about the
ocean and a lot of times deep sea ocean.

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So how do you find these sharks?

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But you know, when you, when you came
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really shown me, especially through these,
these videos that, like the series that.

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You know, searching for a lost shark is
a lot like, uh, you know, really getting

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into, diving into the communities of where
they, you think these lost sharks have

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been found or have been seen in the past.

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And talking to fishing communities,
talking to locals, and getting

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to know them and building those
relationships, like that's a,

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that's a huge part of what you do.

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And I think do, do you find, when,
when people talk to you about the

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work that you do, do you find that's
the biggest surprise that they have

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when they find out that that's how
you find a lot of these lost sharks?

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Yeah.

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Well a lot of 'em have, people have no,
unless you're in the field, have no idea.

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There's all these different shark species
out there and they have no, almost no

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idea that these things have, in some
cases been, been, uh, been missing.

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Right.

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Um, you know, and, and I, and the thing
is this was, you know, I finally, I

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used to do some of these different
like alien shark series and for

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Shark Week and for Nat Geo and BBC.

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And one of the things with this one,
I wanted to be able to tell my story.

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You know, the way I wanted to do
it without, you know, editors and

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corporate people telling, well,
we need to do this, we need to, we

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need to have a flying white shark.

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Which, you know, if anybody's, if
you know, most people won't, but if

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you've worked in any of these shows,
there always comes that one part.

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When you're doing like a show, when
they're doing a show prep or the

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story prep, they'll say like, okay,
now when does a white shark come

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into the, come into the episode?

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And I'm like, well, there's
no white shark in the episode.

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Um, you know, and they're like,
oh, well I don't know if we'll

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wanna do this episode then.

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So.

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That's the nice thing about me.

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I've had the freedom to kind of
like, I'm telling my story and I've

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had, you know, it's been great.

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It's been really good.

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Just for people know, like with this
journey I've been on, I mean, two people

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have been just invaluable, has been Denise
Sotomayor is a young Peruvian journalist,

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filmmaker, uh, underwater cinematographer.

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She's been with me on these
journeys the last three years,

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filming, filming these things here.

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And then of course, Andrew, you've been.

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Invaluable editing this stuff here.

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'cause I have no idea what I'm doing.

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Editing.

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I can, I can do the story, I can go
through all the film clips, but, but I,

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I, um, thank God I got you to do the,
uh, do the editing on this whole thing.

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Um, and, uh, but, but, but both
Denise and Andrew have been just

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invaluable in this whole thing.

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And, and even Denise.

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'cause Denise has had to go through
these different adventures with me.

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And in the last three years
we've had like, well, let's see.

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We've had coups, political
assassinations, oh man.

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Near, nearly getting eaten by crocodiles.

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Um, it's been, it's been kind of fun.

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It's been interesting.

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Let's just say, yeah.

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It's been very interesting and Andrew's
sitting back there in Toronto going, oh,

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wow, that's, that sounds kind of exciting.

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Yeah.

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You know, well, I think, I think
it also, it, it speaks to the, um,

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some of the dangers of the world.

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You know, like, like a lot of the times,
you know, for me, I don't think I've ever.

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Uh, thought when I was growing up
through, going through my undergrad,

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going through my graduate studies that
I would ever work in a country, uh,

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that I didn't necessarily consider,
you know, quote unquote safe.

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You know, where I could do field work
and I wouldn't be, other than the sort of

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the, um, the dangers of the environment
that you're working in, you know, on a

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boat or at sea, you know, when you're
doing field work that I never had, I

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never thought about, you know, different
like the politics of a country or

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some of the emerging issues that are
happening within, within countries.

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You know, as you mentioned
some of those, so.

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A lot of times you don't think
about the dangers that the people,

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the, some of the people who you
mentor are in just doing their work.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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And that, like, that's, it's, it's
scary when you think about it.

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I've, I've definitely been, um, you
know, been educated through what the

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work that you do and other people have
done over the years of how dangers it

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could be, uh, in a lot of these places,
and how some people who live in certain

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countries have to be more careful in
how they go about their business and go

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about their science, because it could be.

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Misconstrued as, you know, interfering
with other maybe, you know, not so great

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activities going on in that country
and that their, their lives could be

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put at risk, you know, in that kind.

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Exactly.

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I mean, they're, and, and again, you know,
this, I, you know, I, I don't share a

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lot of stuff on air or publicly because,
'cause my colleagues that are in the,

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still in those countries could be at
risk if I shared a lot of more, exactly

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more detail on things I experienced.

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You know, if it's just me.

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And once I, you know, because I'm,
I leave, I'm outta the country.

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It's like, you know,
I'm a little more open.

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But if I got friends, colleagues
there, collaborators, I, I

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gotta be careful what I say.

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'cause I don't want them to suddenly
become a, get a target on their back.

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Mm-hmm.

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Some, some guy who's left,
who's left the country now.

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Um, and so like, and if anybody, you
know, most people don't know, but

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I'm, all I'm gonna say is like, if
you follow any international news

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and stuff, you'll know Madagascar.

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About two days after I left, they
had a. Some civil unrest there,

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and I think they've, they're on
their third, third president now.

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The last few weeks since I left, and
um, so there's stuff going on there, but

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anyway, but there's a lot of, there's
a lot of other challenges you meet

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too as well when you're, when you're
working a lot of these places or, and

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I, I try to convey that, but, you know,
you got things like your working areas

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that it's difficult to get around.

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Madagascar, it's, it's
definitely hard to get around.

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The roads are not really very good.

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You know, you basically, the best thing
to do is hire somebody just, which what

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we did and just who's basically a driver
of the vehicle just takes you, yeah.

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To some of these remote spots and um,
you know, like people ask me, I think

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you'd even did early on, like, well, how
do you find all these weird lost sharks?

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And it's like, well, 'cause I'll
go places most people won't go.

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'cause if it's, you know, if it's
easy to get there, you're probably not

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gonna find anything too exciting if
you really have to work to get there.

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Your chances are finding something
pretty, pretty exciting goes way up

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and um, you know, what gives you that
motivation to do that though, right?

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Because like, I, I get it.

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Like I get that and it makes sense that
a lot of places that are more remote,

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uh, you know, you find, you find those
sharks, uh, whether you have to find it by

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land or you have to find it by sea or an
island, you know, whatever that might be.

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Ha.

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Have you always had that motivation
to go that little extra mile to say,

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Hey, I wanna find these, these sharks.

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Yeah, I, yeah, I mean the whole, as I've
kind of mentioned a few episodes, the Lost

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Shark thing kind of evolved over time.

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I didn't just decide I was gonna go
find these lost sharks, but, but I

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have, I had that sort of explor gene
and I've always had it right, and I've

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just wanted to go, and it's a curiosity
too, like I wanted to go find things.

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I wanted to learn as much as I can about.

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All the different sharks and when, and
just everybody know that when I say

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sharks, I'm talking about the rays.

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Yeah.

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Bat toys.

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All sharks.

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The ghost sharks.

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That's everything.

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They're all sharks.

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Thesal.

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Bris.

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Yeah.

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And yeah.

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And Ians.

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Yeah.

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And what, what really kind of the whole
lost shark, uh, guy thing started back

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in the eighties when I was, even though
I didn't call it that, but I would

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go off into the, you know, places.

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And at that time, nobody had
really ever been to Namibia, even

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though people lived in Namibia.

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Mm-hmm.

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That nobody ever gone
exploring the sharks there.

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I'd go off there and, and I'd, I'd
be gone a couple of months and I'd

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come back with just wild things.

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I didn't know what to make at 'em.

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And fortunately I had a Professor
Leonard Kanu, who had a broad knowledge

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of all kinds of, all things shark.

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And he'd see things I'd bring back.

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He'd tell me like, we haven't
seen this in a hundred years.

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We haven't seen this species in 80 years.

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And I was like, well, that's kind of cool.

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So that only like a little bit
that only inspired me to go, yeah.

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To go more, uh, to keep going.

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And so I went to a lot of places,
and again, one of the, one of the

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things when you go to these places,
I, you know, another question I

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get is like, well, aren't, aren't
you worried about the sharks?

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And I'm like, sharks are like so far down
on my list of things to be worried about.

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Um, you know, when
you've, when I've, yeah.

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You know, I've been in places,
and this was years ago,

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especially when I was young.

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I'm a little.

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There is this thing about age and
wisdom for your young people listening.

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It really does.

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It is because when I was
young, I You think twice?

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Yeah.

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When I was young in my twenties, I
was like, sure, let's go do whatever.

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You know?

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And you didn't think about, you know, some
of the, some of the realities of stuff.

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Yeah.

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Um, but, you know, civil unrest
was a big thing would come up.

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Um, you know, you had different,
you know, I'd been in some places

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where their coups took place where.

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Yeah, the government was,
I literally was like there.

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And there be, people are like shooting
at each other and stuff, and things don't

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even think about, um, when you, you're
also in areas in, especially when you,

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when you, you're in areas in, in Africa
when you, where you did your PhD mm-hmm.

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If you went to Namibia or,
or other countries, adjacent

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countries to there where poverty
was extreme in a lot of places.

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Just the fact of your personal, like
the, the, your team and the people who

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are going with your personal safety can
be at risk in a lot of these places if

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you're not, um, aware of what Oh, yeah.

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What you're going into.

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Right, right.

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You gotta be aware of stuff like, and
like Namibia, when I used to go back

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there, we just take, me and my friend
Paul Callie were both grad students.

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We just took off and went.

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There was just no, it
was a little different.

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Other places we go to you, you, I
always tried to, I learned early

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on to like work with local people.

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Where you could, uh, because a lot of
times there's language barriers and

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stuff, but yeah, when you go to these,
you go to these different places like,

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you know, Madagascar, you know, you go to
these, some of these remote villages and.

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These little kids, you know, they've,
they've never seen a white guy before.

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Literally.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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A white guy.

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A white guy with blue eyes especially.

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Yeah.

450
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:49,950
Um, you know, and you just got these
little kids follow you around there and

451
00:19:49,950 --> 00:19:53,550
just like, you know, kind of like you're,
they're curious and you're curious.

452
00:19:53,550 --> 00:19:53,820
Of course.

453
00:19:53,820 --> 00:19:56,190
Then after a few minutes they,
they're like, Hey, maybe this

454
00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:57,030
guy has some money sitting.

455
00:19:57,030 --> 00:19:58,440
They're begging for money from you.

456
00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:58,980
Yeah.

457
00:19:59,010 --> 00:20:01,500
And um, one of the things
just kind of a pro tip.

458
00:20:01,875 --> 00:20:02,835
Never give money out.

459
00:20:02,835 --> 00:20:05,685
When you're traveling these places, you
might feel like you want to but don't.

460
00:20:05,685 --> 00:20:09,345
It's, it'll go, it won't go, it won't end
well for you in a lot of those places.

461
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:09,510
Right?

462
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:09,630
Yeah.

463
00:20:09,630 --> 00:20:11,745
Once you, once you start pulling
out that wallet or putting

464
00:20:11,745 --> 00:20:13,005
that money, it's all gone.

465
00:20:13,545 --> 00:20:13,785
Right?

466
00:20:13,785 --> 00:20:14,415
It'll go bad.

467
00:20:14,415 --> 00:20:14,475
Yeah.

468
00:20:14,745 --> 00:20:17,445
So you don't wanna do that, but, but
you know, you go through these places,

469
00:20:17,445 --> 00:20:20,415
you know, and you know, you, like,
you, you know, you have a country,

470
00:20:20,805 --> 00:20:23,925
you know, like Madagascar, you know,
you got like, illiteracy is about 70%.

471
00:20:25,290 --> 00:20:29,220
A lot of the country doesn't have much
in the way of like, uh, electricity.

472
00:20:29,580 --> 00:20:29,790
Mm-hmm.

473
00:20:30,030 --> 00:20:32,909
Or, or clean water, certainly
by Western standards.

474
00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:38,010
And, um, um, but you know, you
still, but you know, you find some

475
00:20:38,010 --> 00:20:41,310
of the nicest people, you know, you
go in these places, of course, you

476
00:20:41,310 --> 00:20:44,100
know, and they're like, you know,
they're, they're often, they're very.

477
00:20:44,305 --> 00:20:46,435
You know, they'll show you around
stuff and of course there they

478
00:20:46,435 --> 00:20:49,735
speak Malagasy or French, neither
two languages I don't speak.

479
00:20:50,095 --> 00:20:50,215
Right.

480
00:20:50,245 --> 00:20:52,375
And, uh, but yeah, work again,
this is where coming and working

481
00:20:52,375 --> 00:20:55,795
with, um, local people and, and
in this case, in Madagascar, I

482
00:20:55,795 --> 00:21:00,325
was working with, uh, uh, wildlife
Conservation Society people, uh, WCS.

483
00:21:00,910 --> 00:21:03,970
These are, uh, some of the people,
uh, Rhett Bennett, who's South

484
00:21:03,970 --> 00:21:05,650
African, who's been on the podcast.

485
00:21:05,890 --> 00:21:05,980
Yep.

486
00:21:05,985 --> 00:21:07,390
Some, some of the people work for him.

487
00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:11,920
'cause Rhett's sort of the Western
Indian Ocean Regional director for, I

488
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,830
apologize, I'm not getting your title
correctly, but regional director there.

489
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,830
Um, but like Christelle
who's, uh, worked with her.

490
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:20,110
And I apologize, I'm not pronouncing
your last name, Christelle,

491
00:21:20,770 --> 00:21:24,250
because, um, I cannot possibly
begin to pronounce it correctly.

492
00:21:24,340 --> 00:21:28,000
So, um, but you'll, we're gonna have
her on the podcast here early next year.

493
00:21:28,524 --> 00:21:30,655
And so people get a
chance to hear her story.

494
00:21:31,075 --> 00:21:34,524
Um, but she has a master's in
marine science and she's, uh,

495
00:21:34,615 --> 00:21:37,165
um, uh, was just invaluable.

496
00:21:37,225 --> 00:21:39,504
Being able to get around
knew, knew, knew where to go.

497
00:21:39,715 --> 00:21:42,415
We had a few of other people, a
few of her colleagues there, a

498
00:21:42,415 --> 00:21:46,195
young guy named, liked his name's,
like that's how you pronounce it.

499
00:21:46,225 --> 00:21:47,995
And, uh, he was great.

500
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,290
Likable guy.

501
00:21:49,050 --> 00:21:49,610
Likable guy.

502
00:21:49,675 --> 00:21:51,055
Took us around all the fishermen.

503
00:21:51,475 --> 00:21:55,585
Another, another guy down the south that
was up in the north of the noisy bee area.

504
00:21:56,205 --> 00:21:57,285
Down in the southwest.

505
00:21:57,285 --> 00:22:01,185
Another, uh, good friend of hers,
Piero, who, uh, who uh, went to the

506
00:22:01,185 --> 00:22:05,625
university, uh, with Christelle, uh,
took us around, took us to some just

507
00:22:05,774 --> 00:22:10,215
really remote villages that you just,
you know, they were not easy to get to.

508
00:22:10,215 --> 00:22:10,305
Mm-hmm.

509
00:22:10,305 --> 00:22:11,925
In fact, one of the ones we went to.

510
00:22:12,705 --> 00:22:15,705
They were fish, they were catching deep
sea sharks out there, which ended up being

511
00:22:15,705 --> 00:22:17,625
like one of the highlights for the trip.

512
00:22:18,044 --> 00:22:21,104
Um, just seeing these, some of these
deep sea sharks, including, we got

513
00:22:21,104 --> 00:22:25,844
a, we got a new record of one of one
ray, a new ray for, uh, Madagascar.

514
00:22:25,844 --> 00:22:26,084
That's awesome.

515
00:22:26,475 --> 00:22:27,344
Which is amazing.

516
00:22:27,344 --> 00:22:31,455
And then, and the other thing, they
catch, um, sealants there, if you,

517
00:22:31,455 --> 00:22:34,725
if you don't know what seal cans
are, they catch sealants there.

518
00:22:35,024 --> 00:22:36,294
And I didn't know they
went that far south.

519
00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:37,409
Yeah, they're, yeah.

520
00:22:37,409 --> 00:22:41,100
Well, they didn't, yeah, they, they,
the first ones came in in 1995.

521
00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:41,639
Right.

522
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:44,280
And, uh, the fishermen knew all,
but one thing the fishermen knew

523
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,480
like, yeah, that's a big deal.

524
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,850
You know, we don't see
really this all the time.

525
00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:48,210
Yeah.

526
00:22:48,270 --> 00:22:50,524
We don't, they're not really great
eating, but we catch 'em and Yeah.

527
00:22:50,585 --> 00:22:51,210
And stuff.

528
00:22:51,210 --> 00:22:51,870
So, um.

529
00:22:52,350 --> 00:22:55,710
Uh, so yeah, I, I'm sure if I
would've given 'em some money, they

530
00:22:55,895 --> 00:22:57,600
probably would've caught one for
me, but I really don't have any

531
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,250
reason to want to get a sealant.

532
00:22:59,490 --> 00:22:59,580
Right.

533
00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:03,540
Um, but they caught some really other
really interesting species, like some

534
00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:08,070
guer sharks and just some other deep
sea squa OIDs, which are really where

535
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:11,230
I, I I see those deep sea things that
you get pretty fascinated by 'em.

536
00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:11,760
Yeah.

537
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:14,669
Um, but, you know, it was a, it was, it
took, you know, every day it was a couple

538
00:23:14,669 --> 00:23:16,379
hours just to get down to this place.

539
00:23:17,585 --> 00:23:20,700
You know, you go there, you see, like you,
you pass a lot of the rivers and stuff.

540
00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:23,580
You see like people using the rivers,
they're in their, they're, they're

541
00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:25,920
bathing, they're getting drinking water.

542
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,830
There's cattle, there's wildlife in there.

543
00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:32,430
It's just, I mean, not the most hygienic
place you'd wanna be, right, right.

544
00:23:32,460 --> 00:23:33,330
To get water.

545
00:23:33,690 --> 00:23:36,840
Um, but, but you see those types of
conditions because that's, that's

546
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,330
the only place there's, there's no
real running, running water anywhere

547
00:23:39,330 --> 00:23:41,850
else and, uh, and everything.

548
00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:44,490
So it's kind of, I, I think
another thing too, you ask.

549
00:23:45,060 --> 00:23:47,640
I like experiencing that
stuff for myself firsthand.

550
00:23:48,210 --> 00:23:50,490
I mean, most people sit, you really
get to see the world that way.

551
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:50,730
Yeah.

552
00:23:50,730 --> 00:23:52,415
You see what's happening
in these countries, right?

553
00:23:52,475 --> 00:23:56,760
You see a part of the world that 95%
of the world never, of the, I say what

554
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,580
95% of the western world doesn't see.

555
00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:00,240
Yeah.

556
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,060
You know mean we hear about, but sometimes
we don't hear about the right things.

557
00:24:03,060 --> 00:24:06,420
Like we hear about like the popular
stuff that's happening such as like these

558
00:24:06,420 --> 00:24:10,095
riots and stuff, but you never really
hear about the innards of like what?

559
00:24:11,024 --> 00:24:13,995
Goes on in the country on a day-to-day
basis, what it's like, how the

560
00:24:13,995 --> 00:24:16,875
people, you know, how they're living,
all that kind of stuff, right?

561
00:24:16,905 --> 00:24:17,054
Yeah.

562
00:24:17,054 --> 00:24:19,514
And Mo and most of those people are just
trying to get by, just, you know, yeah.

563
00:24:19,514 --> 00:24:22,395
You know, go out, you know, provide for
the FA family and you see these people

564
00:24:22,395 --> 00:24:25,665
go out, you see these fishermen go out
and these just little dugout canoes.

565
00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:26,235
Right.

566
00:24:26,235 --> 00:24:27,735
Don't even look seaworthy.

567
00:24:28,170 --> 00:24:30,120
And yet these guys are just amazing.

568
00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:33,810
You watch 'em just, they, they got,
they got these homemade sales and they

569
00:24:33,810 --> 00:24:35,250
can, I'll be posting some of this stuff.

570
00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:38,010
I've posted some already, but I'll
be posting more stuff in the coming

571
00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:42,120
weeks on my social media, particularly
Instagram and I, and I'll try to

572
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:43,590
post some of my channel as well.

573
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:47,400
But you just see these people out
there, just like out there fishing

574
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,930
and they're absolute mariners.

575
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:49,320
Yeah.

576
00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:52,740
Uh, these guys out there and, uh,
they'll go out there and just,

577
00:24:52,740 --> 00:24:55,440
and they go out at night sometimes
and they'll fish for whatever.

578
00:24:55,965 --> 00:25:00,405
You know, sometimes 7, 8, 9, 10 hours
out at sea and they just, they seem to

579
00:25:00,405 --> 00:25:02,824
know how to navigate because they're,
they go, sometimes they'll go out.

580
00:25:03,375 --> 00:25:04,275
Fairly far out.

581
00:25:04,275 --> 00:25:05,985
Sometimes they'll be out
for a couple of days.

582
00:25:06,345 --> 00:25:06,435
Mm-hmm.

583
00:25:06,705 --> 00:25:07,545
And I just don't know.

584
00:25:07,545 --> 00:25:09,495
I'm just like, I just can't
believe they're even being

585
00:25:09,495 --> 00:25:10,755
able to navigate out there.

586
00:25:10,755 --> 00:25:12,315
But they're very good mariners.

587
00:25:12,735 --> 00:25:15,375
In fact, one, this one village
we went to down the southwest was

588
00:25:15,405 --> 00:25:17,055
pretty remote place we went to.

589
00:25:17,565 --> 00:25:22,245
Funny story is, um, we came walking
up over the dunes sand dunes from

590
00:25:22,245 --> 00:25:25,035
the village to the beach where
the boats where they come in and

591
00:25:25,035 --> 00:25:27,375
land and they came over the dune.

592
00:25:27,735 --> 00:25:32,625
There's these little kids with
homemade surfboards outta wood.

593
00:25:33,930 --> 00:25:35,370
The tree home made surfboards outta wood.

594
00:25:35,730 --> 00:25:38,910
Yeah, I mean, I mean it sound,
it literally, they just some,

595
00:25:39,420 --> 00:25:40,800
some trees they chopped down.

596
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,950
They made these little
surfboards, nothing fancy.

597
00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:46,380
And they were literally like surfing.

598
00:25:46,380 --> 00:25:48,990
I mean like some were boogie
boarding, but some were just

599
00:25:48,990 --> 00:25:51,150
popping up and standing up surfing.

600
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:52,770
These were incredible kids.

601
00:25:52,770 --> 00:25:55,200
Like 5, 6, 7, 8 years old, maybe 10.

602
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:55,770
Yeah.

603
00:25:55,770 --> 00:25:58,710
And they were surfing and
just in the surf, like the

604
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:59,820
shallow waves kind of thing.

605
00:26:00,465 --> 00:26:03,165
Yeah, well some of those waves
were like three, four foot,

606
00:26:03,165 --> 00:26:04,275
so they weren't backed out.

607
00:26:04,275 --> 00:26:04,335
Yeah.

608
00:26:04,335 --> 00:26:05,595
So it's pretty big for a
five or 6-year-old too.

609
00:26:05,595 --> 00:26:05,655
Yeah.

610
00:26:05,685 --> 00:26:09,675
I sent, sent, I, I sent, I sent a
thing to, uh, I sent, I, I, I took,

611
00:26:09,675 --> 00:26:13,155
I took some video and I sent it back
to my buddies in Santa Cruz, Neil

612
00:26:13,545 --> 00:26:17,655
Berg and, and, and a couple other
guys that, Hey, check this out.

613
00:26:18,135 --> 00:26:18,825
These guys are here.

614
00:26:18,825 --> 00:26:21,135
Gonna give you some
competition, these little kids.

615
00:26:21,315 --> 00:26:21,615
Wow.

616
00:26:21,615 --> 00:26:23,835
That was one of the, but that's
the kind of thing like you.

617
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,139
I, I just, I, I get me excited
kind of seeing something like that.

618
00:26:28,139 --> 00:26:28,679
Like for sure.

619
00:26:28,919 --> 00:26:31,679
Who would ever think these guys
would be thinking about surfing?

620
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:32,010
Yeah.

621
00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:36,419
And what inspired I, what inspired
these kids to pick up a board,

622
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,730
to make a board to surf on.

623
00:26:38,850 --> 00:26:42,419
Because they don't, I wonder if that's
just like a, like a generational thing.

624
00:26:42,419 --> 00:26:46,649
Like a traditional thing that people
do as ways to enjoy the coastline

625
00:26:46,649 --> 00:26:48,209
and just enjoy the day, right.

626
00:26:48,389 --> 00:26:48,780
Uh, yeah.

627
00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:52,080
I mean, I think by the time
these kids get to be 12, 13, 14,

628
00:26:52,084 --> 00:26:53,280
they're, they're going out fishing.

629
00:26:53,490 --> 00:26:55,080
They start, yeah, they
working the fishing.

630
00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:57,774
So these are these, I say these kids
were a little young, not quite, yeah.

631
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,129
Age Well.

632
00:26:59,159 --> 00:27:01,679
'cause I think once they
hit 12, 13, 14, they're.

633
00:27:02,010 --> 00:27:04,950
They're working in the
fishing business pretty much.

634
00:27:05,310 --> 00:27:08,310
So these, that's why these kids were like
really young and they're just playing

635
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:10,020
like most kids, young kids would do.

636
00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:10,080
Yeah.

637
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,310
Just playing around and having a, having
a really good freaking time out there

638
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:18,960
and stuff, and then wondering who the
hell the sky is with, you know, coming

639
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,200
around asking, coming around here,
like asking questions, talking to their

640
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,540
parents about different sharks and Yeah.

641
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:26,550
You know, they're kind of like, yeah,
I see these things all the time.

642
00:27:26,550 --> 00:27:27,420
What's the big deal?

643
00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:27,750
You know?

644
00:27:27,930 --> 00:27:28,140
Yeah.

645
00:27:28,140 --> 00:27:31,170
And, uh, uh, so I kind
of, uh, so it was just.

646
00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:34,470
Yeah, that's one of those things like
I, you know, we did get some film of

647
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:35,940
that and I hope we get the episode up.

648
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,550
We'll be able to show a little
bit of these kids surfing

649
00:27:38,550 --> 00:27:39,510
if it, how it comes out.

650
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:43,680
I mean, I can't, the little video
I took didn't look that great,

651
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,960
but hopefully Denise has some
little better footage of it.

652
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,740
But it's just, yeah, it's one of those
like slice of life things you don't

653
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:53,040
even think about amongst in this,
in this kind of part of the world.

654
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,220
Like these guys were actually
got surfing on stuff and so

655
00:27:56,220 --> 00:27:56,980
anyways, that was kind of neat.

656
00:27:56,980 --> 00:27:57,235
That's awesome.

657
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,680
That was kind of a neat little story.

658
00:27:58,740 --> 00:27:58,920
Oh yeah.

659
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,150
That was kind of a neat little story.

660
00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:01,110
Um.

661
00:28:01,485 --> 00:28:03,584
Yeah, it was, it was, it was interesting.

662
00:28:03,584 --> 00:28:08,115
We went there, there was like three
species I had on my hit list to go find.

663
00:28:08,685 --> 00:28:09,284
We found two.

664
00:28:09,284 --> 00:28:11,534
Well, I was gonna, I was gonna
ask just before you go into that.

665
00:28:11,564 --> 00:28:11,834
Yeah.

666
00:28:11,925 --> 00:28:12,824
The preparation.

667
00:28:12,824 --> 00:28:15,345
When you go to a country like
Madagascar, first of all, you

668
00:28:15,345 --> 00:28:16,725
know, like why Madagascar?

669
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,139
Like, what, what made you want to go,
like, you know, you've been to Ecuador

670
00:28:22,139 --> 00:28:25,710
and you've been to Perdu, Peru, you've
been like, over the last few years,

671
00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:30,000
especially through these, these,
uh, SOF uh, s let's say, overseas.

672
00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:30,629
Overseas.

673
00:28:30,990 --> 00:28:35,400
Um, and you, you've, you've
gone to Darwin, East Timor, you

674
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,120
know, Indonesia, like Jakarta,
uh, and now you're Madagascar.

675
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,090
So like what, uh, what
was it about Madagascar.

676
00:28:42,690 --> 00:28:44,790
That, was it the actual species
that you were looking for?

677
00:28:44,790 --> 00:28:48,810
Like what makes you get interested
in like where these species kind of

678
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:51,600
come on your radar, where you're like,
Hey, I'm gonna look for this one.

679
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:55,890
I, well, part of it is, uh, part
of what the project I wanted to

680
00:28:55,890 --> 00:28:57,630
highlight different parts of the world.

681
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:57,990
Okay.

682
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,740
Uh, partly Madagascar came about
because I've been to all of the

683
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:05,520
other Eastern, a East African
countries from Kenya to South Africa.

684
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,720
The Mauritius Sey shell.

685
00:29:07,185 --> 00:29:08,504
Those Western Indian Ocean places.

686
00:29:08,504 --> 00:29:11,265
I've been to all of those
countries, you know, I mean, okay.

687
00:29:11,265 --> 00:29:14,955
I haven't been to like Somalia, but that
wouldn't really be a safe place to go.

688
00:29:14,955 --> 00:29:15,285
Right.

689
00:29:15,405 --> 00:29:16,370
You still have Sudan right now.

690
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:17,595
Stuff have to look at where you're going.

691
00:29:17,595 --> 00:29:17,775
Yeah.

692
00:29:17,775 --> 00:29:20,415
You know, so I mean, there, there is
a, there is a point where you're like,

693
00:29:20,475 --> 00:29:23,775
that's not gonna, that would not end well
for me to go to like Somalia right now.

694
00:29:23,955 --> 00:29:24,045
Mm-hmm.

695
00:29:24,555 --> 00:29:28,335
Um, but, uh, um, but I hadn't,
I hadn't been there before.

696
00:29:28,335 --> 00:29:29,775
I kind of, it's one of those places.

697
00:29:30,045 --> 00:29:31,515
Sounds kind of exotic.

698
00:29:31,815 --> 00:29:32,025
Yeah.

699
00:29:32,025 --> 00:29:35,715
And so I wanted to check it out
and so I, and so I, so yeah, I

700
00:29:35,715 --> 00:29:36,525
thought, oh, this would be good.

701
00:29:36,525 --> 00:29:40,305
I knew, and I knew of a couple species
there that haven't been seen in a while,

702
00:29:40,605 --> 00:29:43,100
and I thought, let's go check it out
and just go check it out firsthand.

703
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,990
I knew it was gonna be a bit
of a tough from talking to

704
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:46,920
people that have been there.

705
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,460
I knew it was gonna be a bit of
a, of a rough, of a rough trip.

706
00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:52,110
Just 'cause it was just rough in that.

707
00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:52,350
Yeah.

708
00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:54,000
There's not like a lot of amenities there.

709
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,570
I mean, we Right.

710
00:29:54,570 --> 00:29:58,980
You know, we, we, we do what we can and
uh, and I was glad I went, you know, I

711
00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:03,000
said it was, it was the landscape and
everything was nothing like I expected.

712
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,720
Um, you know, spoiler alert, if you've
watched the movie, the animated movie,

713
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:11,490
Madagascar, it's kind of a lush,
jungley area that's not Madagascar.

714
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:12,760
It's, it's very Oh, interesting.

715
00:30:13,139 --> 00:30:17,639
Very arid, very uh, uh, I was
there in the dry season too,

716
00:30:17,639 --> 00:30:19,740
but it's just very, very dry.

717
00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:23,429
Uh, a lot of dust sand blowing around.

718
00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:24,030
Interesting.

719
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:25,800
Very, yeah, very arid.

720
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,080
Not, not, not at least the parts I was at.

721
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,459
And again, it is a big country.

722
00:30:29,699 --> 00:30:31,199
It's, I think it's one
of the biggest islands.

723
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:32,514
Biggest islands in the world.

724
00:30:32,514 --> 00:30:32,730
In the world.

725
00:30:32,909 --> 00:30:33,120
Yeah.

726
00:30:33,209 --> 00:30:34,290
Top, top five maybe.

727
00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:36,689
But, but yeah, it was nothing
like, I thought it wasn't this

728
00:30:36,689 --> 00:30:38,129
lush jungle area and stuff.

729
00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:43,440
And, um, so, but again, I kind of,
few people kind of gave me a heads up,

730
00:30:43,860 --> 00:30:47,275
but yeah, if you've seen the cartoon,
the animation's, nothing like that.

731
00:30:47,515 --> 00:30:47,815
It's not like that.

732
00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:48,540
Trust me.

733
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:49,020
Yeah.

734
00:30:49,020 --> 00:30:53,100
I kept joking about looking, looking
for, uh, Alex the Lion and, you know, uh,

735
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,960
uh, Morty and, and Melman and everybody,
but, uh, no, no such luck over there.

736
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,500
Um, but they have, but they do
have like a high, they have a

737
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:03,300
lot of endemic species there.

738
00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:03,720
Yeah.

739
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Of actually one of the,
uh, one of the, uh, um.

740
00:31:06,824 --> 00:31:11,834
Species I've described from there, uh,
uh, the Malagasy guitar fish, uh, arterio

741
00:31:11,834 --> 00:31:15,074
betas, Andy Saban, I, um, is in depth.

742
00:31:15,074 --> 00:31:18,314
It's only known from Madagascar
and there's a few other species.

743
00:31:18,314 --> 00:31:21,764
In fact, you know, one of the, one of
the ones I was looking for, it's only

744
00:31:21,764 --> 00:31:24,824
known from Madagascar, and I'm not gonna
give it away now because we're gonna

745
00:31:24,824 --> 00:31:27,074
do a special right thing on this one.

746
00:31:27,855 --> 00:31:29,475
Um, but it was a, uh, um.

747
00:31:29,879 --> 00:31:34,110
Uh, it's a species that hasn't been seen
like in over a hundred, a hundred years.

748
00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:37,169
And so we went to see if we could
find it and, uh, we'll let you know

749
00:31:37,169 --> 00:31:38,370
what kind of luck we had with it.

750
00:31:38,370 --> 00:31:41,040
But there's a, there's a couple
others there, there's some other

751
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,520
species that, you know, haven't
been seen in 30, 40 years.

752
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,860
We, you know, we, we looked for and, uh,
uh, you know, thought we had a chance for.

753
00:31:49,860 --> 00:31:52,620
Then there's another, another, there's
another species that hasn't been seen.

754
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,630
In almost a hundred years either.

755
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:58,200
So we went for, I knew of like, said a
few of them there that I thought would

756
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:03,150
be good targets to go find and then to
say we found a stingray that hasn't never

757
00:32:03,150 --> 00:32:05,220
been reported from Madagascar before.

758
00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:07,170
We, I'm gonna have more
information on that later.

759
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,070
Sorry to leave people a little bit of
a mystery here, but there's, there's

760
00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:13,200
some of these things are gonna be
really a big deal when they come out.

761
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,840
And so we're gonna do a separate,
I'll do a separate, uh, show.

762
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,750
We're actually gonna do
a, one of the, uh, uh, uh.

763
00:32:19,185 --> 00:32:20,295
Searching for lost sharks.

764
00:32:20,295 --> 00:32:23,655
Episode is just gonna be on these
species we went searching for.

765
00:32:23,655 --> 00:32:23,715
Yeah.

766
00:32:24,075 --> 00:32:27,075
Um, but I said we found some
other, some other species that

767
00:32:27,075 --> 00:32:30,735
were really some deep sea stuff
that were really exciting to find.

768
00:32:31,095 --> 00:32:35,205
Uh, we found three species of gulp sharks,
which was super, super interesting.

769
00:32:35,505 --> 00:32:35,655
Yeah.

770
00:32:35,685 --> 00:32:39,225
Um, probably the other thing we had
to do, I met, met just an amazing

771
00:32:39,225 --> 00:32:40,785
woman down there, Stella Mont.

772
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:44,460
Who runs the, who's the founder
and runs the, uh, Madagascar

773
00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:46,409
Whale Shark Foundation project.

774
00:32:46,649 --> 00:32:46,770
Oh, cool.

775
00:32:46,770 --> 00:32:47,970
Hope I got that right, Stella.

776
00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:51,180
And, uh, yeah, Stella's another one
we're gonna, I wanna have on the show.

777
00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:54,870
Um, she's actually from Belgium
and she, um, but she spends part

778
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:56,730
of the year in, in, uh, Madagascar.

779
00:32:57,790 --> 00:33:00,940
Up in noisy B um, studying
the whale sharks up there and

780
00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:02,230
the whale sharks congregate.

781
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:02,680
Oh, cool.

782
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,910
At times of the year up there.

783
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,630
And um, of course, you know, my,
the running joke with me is if

784
00:33:07,630 --> 00:33:10,600
you don't wanna see whale sharks,
just have Dave go show up there.

785
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:13,450
You can go to the most, you
can go to the most abundant

786
00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:14,770
whale shark place in the world.

787
00:33:14,770 --> 00:33:16,360
Just have Dave show up
and they're all gone.

788
00:33:16,865 --> 00:33:19,200
No, you might see mannas,
you're not gonna see.

789
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:20,310
Yeah, exactly.

790
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:22,485
You might see manna range, but
you're not gonna see nail sharks.

791
00:33:22,485 --> 00:33:25,170
And just, just for those of you that
have listened to, when I did, came

792
00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:28,350
back from Ecuador, we went out to a
place called Eyelid, a plot looking

793
00:33:28,350 --> 00:33:30,570
for the, uh, sharkfin hound shark.

794
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:35,760
And at the, went out there with uh,
uh, uh, uh, Michelle Guerrero, who runs

795
00:33:35,790 --> 00:33:41,610
the, uh, uh, manta Trust, uh, Ecuador
Manta Trust, uh, uh, group there.

796
00:33:41,730 --> 00:33:41,910
Yeah.

797
00:33:41,970 --> 00:33:43,560
And it's, it's like the biggest ban of.

798
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:46,449
Congregation and whale sharks
out there, and of course.

799
00:33:47,054 --> 00:33:51,585
No whale sharks there, but right after,
like two days after I left there, all

800
00:33:51,585 --> 00:33:53,175
the, all the whale sharks showed up.

801
00:33:53,595 --> 00:33:57,495
So of course, and, and I've had several
other experiences in Mexico and other

802
00:33:57,495 --> 00:34:01,034
places where like, oh, you're, no,
you'll absolutely see him here, Dave.

803
00:34:01,034 --> 00:34:01,875
And they never show up.

804
00:34:02,205 --> 00:34:02,325
Yeah.

805
00:34:02,325 --> 00:34:03,340
So, so if you want to go see Whale Shark.

806
00:34:04,054 --> 00:34:05,314
Don't go with Dave.

807
00:34:05,554 --> 00:34:06,395
Yeah, exactly.

808
00:34:06,395 --> 00:34:11,225
Like I, I will, I will say Stella did warn
me, she said, I'm probably a little early.

809
00:34:11,225 --> 00:34:12,665
They probably won't see him, but Right.

810
00:34:12,665 --> 00:34:15,755
You still had to go make out and go
make an effort out there and go see him.

811
00:34:16,324 --> 00:34:16,555
Of course, of course.

812
00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:18,935
Beautiful day, you know,
beautiful day out in the water.

813
00:34:19,355 --> 00:34:20,344
Beautiful day to see whale sharks.

814
00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:20,500
Beautiful.

815
00:34:20,505 --> 00:34:20,855
Yeah.

816
00:34:20,855 --> 00:34:22,025
But they just, just weren't around.

817
00:34:22,025 --> 00:34:24,139
We, we did see whales though,
which was kind of cool.

818
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:24,590
That's cool.

819
00:34:24,590 --> 00:34:27,215
Humpbacks, humpback whales,
and I think minky whales.

820
00:34:27,215 --> 00:34:28,054
There's another one we saw.

821
00:34:28,054 --> 00:34:28,594
Oh, that's cool.

822
00:34:28,985 --> 00:34:29,915
Saw some other stuff.

823
00:34:29,915 --> 00:34:30,605
Some dolphins.

824
00:34:30,605 --> 00:34:31,475
So we saw some other.

825
00:34:31,875 --> 00:34:34,154
Other stuff and, uh, I had a great time.

826
00:34:34,154 --> 00:34:34,964
It was really awesome.

827
00:34:34,964 --> 00:34:38,625
And, and, uh, there'll be, we'll feature
some of that stuff in there, in, in the

828
00:34:38,625 --> 00:34:39,759
episode of course comes up of course.

829
00:34:39,759 --> 00:34:43,335
And then they say Stella will be on the
show here, probably early in the new year.

830
00:34:43,574 --> 00:34:43,725
Yeah.

831
00:34:43,725 --> 00:34:44,804
Talk about her program.

832
00:34:44,804 --> 00:34:48,074
So, well, so we had some just to say
before you go on, just to say, you

833
00:34:48,074 --> 00:34:52,125
were talking about the, the size of the
islands and, and, and I looked it up.

834
00:34:52,214 --> 00:34:56,984
Um, thanks to chat GPT, uh, and it's,
and Madagascar is the fourth largest

835
00:34:56,984 --> 00:34:59,714
island at 587,000 kilometers squared.

836
00:35:00,165 --> 00:35:05,715
Borneo the third, uh, new Guinea is
the, the second, and Greenland is, uh,

837
00:35:05,775 --> 00:35:07,095
it blows everybody outta the water.

838
00:35:07,095 --> 00:35:07,965
Like 2 million.

839
00:35:07,965 --> 00:35:08,025
Yeah.

840
00:35:08,415 --> 00:35:11,265
Although isn't Australia
considered an island?

841
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,725
I, I, I thought Australia
was considered an island.

842
00:35:13,725 --> 00:35:14,025
Yeah.

843
00:35:14,025 --> 00:35:16,125
So I think Australia would
probably be the biggest if

844
00:35:16,125 --> 00:35:17,475
you're, if you're including that.

845
00:35:17,475 --> 00:35:19,800
I don't know how it's though,
it's considered a continent, so,

846
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,255
oh, it says excluding continent.

847
00:35:21,255 --> 00:35:22,995
So maybe that's why this list.

848
00:35:22,995 --> 00:35:23,055
Yeah.

849
00:35:23,055 --> 00:35:24,825
But also just to let
you know, in terms of.

850
00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:28,980
For those of you who want to
know in the top 10, uh, Baffin

851
00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:30,480
Island, which is Canadian mm-hmm.

852
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:36,150
Is up in the five, 500,000, uh,
Sumatra, Indonesia, Honshu in Japan,

853
00:35:36,330 --> 00:35:40,770
Victoria Island, another Canadian,
uh, great Britain, uh, obviously

854
00:35:40,770 --> 00:35:42,250
United Kingdom, and then Smer Island.

855
00:35:42,665 --> 00:35:45,215
Another Canadian island up
in the, all up in the Arctic.

856
00:35:45,215 --> 00:35:47,525
So, uh, I had a feeling that,
that's why I looked it up.

857
00:35:47,525 --> 00:35:49,865
I'm like, I, we should have a
bunch of Canadian islands up there.

858
00:35:50,075 --> 00:35:50,250
Oh yeah.

859
00:35:50,509 --> 00:35:51,490
Go Canada, Greenland.

860
00:35:51,490 --> 00:35:51,730
Yeah.

861
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:52,130
Go Canada.

862
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:52,570
Indeed.

863
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:56,644
Uh, Greenland is at 2 million, uh,
kilometers squared over 2 million

864
00:35:56,645 --> 00:35:59,465
kilometers squared, so it blows
everybody else new guinea's a second.

865
00:35:59,795 --> 00:36:02,490
It, it's at 785,000
kilometers square, so, okay.

866
00:36:02,495 --> 00:36:05,675
You know, kind of like bigger than
everybody else, but, uh, interesting.

867
00:36:05,675 --> 00:36:06,215
Nonetheless.

868
00:36:06,245 --> 00:36:06,365
Yeah.

869
00:36:06,395 --> 00:36:07,775
So the fourth, fourth largest.

870
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,460
Kind of a, kind of a funny story when I,
when we were flying there, we, and I'd,

871
00:36:11,610 --> 00:36:16,950
I've, I've flown from South Africa 'cause
we just, just so people know, like just

872
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:19,320
getting to Madagascar is not an easy task.

873
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,810
You had to, because I'm
leaving from California.

874
00:36:22,335 --> 00:36:25,725
So it was like, you know, it's like 10
hours to London, then you gotta lay over

875
00:36:25,725 --> 00:36:30,165
in la You got a few hours in London, then
you have another 11 hours to Johannesburg.

876
00:36:30,464 --> 00:36:30,705
Yep.

877
00:36:30,705 --> 00:36:33,255
You gotta stay overnight,
then you gotta stay overnight.

878
00:36:33,555 --> 00:36:38,415
Then you have like another four and a
half hour flight or so four hours to

879
00:36:38,415 --> 00:36:43,035
Madagascar and, uh, so it's, and and
they only fly certain days of the week.

880
00:36:43,365 --> 00:36:45,495
So it's, it's not like an easy.

881
00:36:45,915 --> 00:36:49,515
Place to get to It is a, it's,
it, I basically left on a Thursday

882
00:36:49,515 --> 00:36:50,625
and I got there on a Sunday.

883
00:36:51,944 --> 00:36:53,850
So just to give, just to
give you a, a sense of couple

884
00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:55,125
of layovers here and there.

885
00:36:55,125 --> 00:36:55,424
Yeah.

886
00:36:55,424 --> 00:36:56,535
And all that kind of stuff.

887
00:36:56,540 --> 00:36:59,055
I, I think you could, I think you
could go to Paris and then fly

888
00:36:59,055 --> 00:37:01,634
directly from Paris to Madagascar.

889
00:37:01,935 --> 00:37:02,415
Yeah.

890
00:37:02,415 --> 00:37:04,395
But I had, uh, I think you can.

891
00:37:04,424 --> 00:37:04,935
Yeah, you can.

892
00:37:04,964 --> 00:37:06,645
I think you can fly because
they do have other airlines.

893
00:37:06,645 --> 00:37:07,515
I know you can fly from.

894
00:37:08,085 --> 00:37:10,095
The UAE and a few other countries.

895
00:37:10,095 --> 00:37:10,154
Yeah.

896
00:37:10,154 --> 00:37:13,125
But either way it's still like
getting from California to there.

897
00:37:13,154 --> 00:37:14,265
It's a long haul.

898
00:37:14,714 --> 00:37:19,064
And um, it was kind of funny was I, I've
kind of flown over Madagascar before,

899
00:37:19,064 --> 00:37:22,995
but when we kind of, we, because you
fly out from, from South Africa and then

900
00:37:22,995 --> 00:37:27,194
when you, you fly and then you, as you
approach Madagascar, you turn, you kind

901
00:37:27,194 --> 00:37:31,605
of had, in our case, we headed north and I
kind of, I kind of, I was looking out the

902
00:37:31,605 --> 00:37:33,225
window and I kind of like, sort of knew.

903
00:37:33,285 --> 00:37:38,145
It was Madagascar, but just kinda asked
the, uh, flight attendant, like, you

904
00:37:38,145 --> 00:37:40,424
know, Hey is, that's Madagascar there?

905
00:37:40,424 --> 00:37:41,174
And he goes, yeah.

906
00:37:41,174 --> 00:37:44,685
He goes, he wasn't sure, you know, he
says, well, I'll, I'll ask the pilot.

907
00:37:45,375 --> 00:37:49,245
And so the pilot comes back and
says like, oh no, it's the Chemours.

908
00:37:49,335 --> 00:37:51,915
And I'm like, I've flown
over the Chemours before.

909
00:37:51,915 --> 00:37:54,524
They're kind of a speck, a couple
of rocks in the middle of nowhere.

910
00:37:54,585 --> 00:37:54,915
Yeah.

911
00:37:54,915 --> 00:37:54,925
Yeah.

912
00:37:55,095 --> 00:37:58,035
And so I'm thinking, so the funny
thing when I'm thinking to myself like.

913
00:37:58,425 --> 00:37:58,905
How does he not know?

914
00:37:59,775 --> 00:38:02,805
I go, if the pilot doesn't
know, we could be screwed here.

915
00:38:04,665 --> 00:38:08,055
And, and, and so, and so when I got
the noisy beat, the first thing I did

916
00:38:08,055 --> 00:38:10,935
is got on, got online with a friend
of mine I went to high school with

917
00:38:10,935 --> 00:38:12,015
who used to be an airline pilot.

918
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:16,500
And told a story and all she could
do is like, send me back an LOL.

919
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:17,430
Like laugh out loud.

920
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:19,290
I'm thinking like, fuck, that
didn't really help me too much.

921
00:38:19,495 --> 00:38:19,725
No, no.

922
00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:22,350
So that's hilarious.

923
00:38:22,350 --> 00:38:24,960
They prob they probably, they
probably figured the, well I think

924
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,940
she told me like she figured the
flight attendant was probably

925
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:28,410
busy doing flight attendant stuff.

926
00:38:28,410 --> 00:38:30,090
Wasn't really paying
attention and Exactly.

927
00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:33,330
The pilot pro, the pilot probably just
threw out something just thinking,

928
00:38:33,450 --> 00:38:35,100
ah, shut the passenger up or whatever.

929
00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:37,020
Just kinda like, yeah,
we're over the Coors.

930
00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:37,680
That's just the Coors.

931
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:37,740
Yeah.

932
00:38:37,740 --> 00:38:40,590
Well, I've, well, because I've flown,
I've flown around that area quite a bit.

933
00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:41,115
It was probably in.

934
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,260
Wasn't a great question for me to ask.

935
00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:45,030
I just was kind of curious.

936
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:49,680
But you know, because you fly along
for about a half hour, 45 minutes up

937
00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:52,740
along a coastline, there's nothing
else out there in the Indian Ocean.

938
00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:52,830
Right.

939
00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:55,980
'cause most, you know, like
Mauritius s you know, if you

940
00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:57,660
blink your eyes, you pa you pass.

941
00:38:57,690 --> 00:38:57,900
Yeah.

942
00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:59,820
Reunion, you pass right over those places.

943
00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:01,110
But mad gas are you kind of hit.

944
00:39:01,110 --> 00:39:01,860
So yeah.

945
00:39:01,860 --> 00:39:03,685
Anyway, that was kind of a funny
little story we're going into.

946
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Going into Madagascar, like, oh,
this is gonna be interesting.

947
00:39:07,290 --> 00:39:07,770
That's, yeah.

948
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:09,810
And if you're asking the question
out there, and I know people

949
00:39:09,810 --> 00:39:10,680
are, it's a burning question.

950
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,860
It's like, how is it flying
around domestically in Madagascar?

951
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,509
And that's like, so something, everyone
that I'm sure wanna know, well just

952
00:39:18,509 --> 00:39:19,840
be prepared when you go there because.

953
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,920
The flights can change quite rapidly.

954
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,930
And thank God, like for Christelle, who
was, uh, who was our, our, our company,

955
00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:31,050
us the whole way around there and
thank, thank goodness we had somebody

956
00:39:31,050 --> 00:39:34,140
there because they would literally
change the flights or cancel 'em.

957
00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:36,900
But they don't tell you you
have to go online to find out

958
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:37,890
if you still have a flight.

959
00:39:37,950 --> 00:39:41,040
So before you leave for the airport,
you just go online to check?

960
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,950
Yeah, like usually a day
or two ahead of time.

961
00:39:43,950 --> 00:39:47,460
So you got time to contact them,
contact 'em to say like, um.

962
00:39:48,645 --> 00:39:51,495
They'll get you in another flight,
but you have to like check to see

963
00:39:51,495 --> 00:39:55,035
if you, if you still have, uh,
if there's even a flight going.

964
00:39:55,035 --> 00:39:57,645
This is the domestic
airlines, Madagascar Airlines.

965
00:39:57,675 --> 00:39:58,035
Right.

966
00:39:58,275 --> 00:40:01,635
So that was kind of a funny little,
how did you find that out though?

967
00:40:01,635 --> 00:40:02,415
Did somebody tell you?

968
00:40:03,645 --> 00:40:05,415
Yeah, Christ did well, A couple.

969
00:40:05,415 --> 00:40:05,625
Yeah.

970
00:40:05,925 --> 00:40:06,735
Well, a couple people.

971
00:40:06,735 --> 00:40:08,955
RT Bennett kind of tipped
me off before I went.

972
00:40:08,955 --> 00:40:10,005
Make sure you check the flights.

973
00:40:10,649 --> 00:40:13,830
I'm so used to like, you know, here
if like you're flying it from the US

974
00:40:13,830 --> 00:40:17,250
or Canada or Europe, they tell you,
they tell you, you get a little thing

975
00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:18,450
on your phone or something like that.

976
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,029
We've rescheduled your flight or
put you in a different flight.

977
00:40:21,029 --> 00:40:21,089
Yeah.

978
00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:22,259
Nothing there.

979
00:40:22,259 --> 00:40:25,439
You have to actually go online
to check to see if you're even

980
00:40:25,439 --> 00:40:26,850
on the, uh, on the flight.

981
00:40:27,629 --> 00:40:27,779
Yeah.

982
00:40:27,779 --> 00:40:29,850
Or if there're, if there's
even a flight going and like.

983
00:40:30,365 --> 00:40:33,930
Well, so she christelle tipped
us off and that's we, 'cause she

984
00:40:33,930 --> 00:40:35,069
was on the same flight with us.

985
00:40:35,069 --> 00:40:36,750
So we'd go on there and we're
like, there's no flight.

986
00:40:36,839 --> 00:40:37,980
There's just nothing there.

987
00:40:38,279 --> 00:40:38,609
Yeah.

988
00:40:38,759 --> 00:40:39,990
Your flight's just gone.

989
00:40:40,439 --> 00:40:41,970
It's not like we've booked you elsewhere.

990
00:40:41,970 --> 00:40:46,290
So you have to contact them and then
get on another flight to um Right.

991
00:40:46,379 --> 00:40:47,850
And they'll put, they'll
put you on a flight.

992
00:40:48,060 --> 00:40:50,939
Like I said, they're great as far
as rebooking you, but you had to

993
00:40:50,939 --> 00:40:54,390
like, let 'em know that your flight
had been canceled even though Yeah.

994
00:40:54,629 --> 00:40:55,470
Should have known so.

995
00:40:57,089 --> 00:41:00,720
Some of the, some of the funny thing,
fun things about traveling a lot of

996
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,980
these countries, um, different places
because you get so used to a Western

997
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:10,560
way, um, that when you go to these
places, um, it's just really, it is

998
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,230
just really, um, it's just so different.

999
00:41:13,230 --> 00:41:14,194
It's eyeopening.

1000
00:41:14,490 --> 00:41:14,850
Definitely eyeopening.

1001
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:15,569
Yeah.

1002
00:41:15,629 --> 00:41:16,799
It's, you know, in terms of what it does.

1003
00:41:16,799 --> 00:41:17,069
Yeah.

1004
00:41:17,075 --> 00:41:17,085
Yeah.

1005
00:41:17,085 --> 00:41:19,650
And it's kind of, like I said, it's, I
kind of like the challenge and stuff.

1006
00:41:19,650 --> 00:41:22,440
It keeps, keeps me young, especially
running around with all these like

1007
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,730
young grad students and stuff.

1008
00:41:23,734 --> 00:41:23,835
Yeah.

1009
00:41:24,585 --> 00:41:28,634
Uh, uh, early, early career
conservation and research types.

1010
00:41:29,385 --> 00:41:29,655
Yeah.

1011
00:41:29,660 --> 00:41:30,585
That's, that's all good stuff.

1012
00:41:31,065 --> 00:41:32,235
Ke keeps you going and stuff.

1013
00:41:32,235 --> 00:41:34,755
I figure like, you know, that's why
people ask me like, whatcha gonna retire?

1014
00:41:34,755 --> 00:41:35,805
Like, why, why am I gonna retire?

1015
00:41:35,805 --> 00:41:37,780
I get to travel and have
all these fun adventures.

1016
00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:39,945
You gets to all these wonderful
things and, and discover more sharks.

1017
00:41:39,945 --> 00:41:40,605
I think that's great.

1018
00:41:40,815 --> 00:41:40,875
Yeah.

1019
00:41:40,995 --> 00:41:42,585
Now let me, a, let me ask you this.

1020
00:41:42,645 --> 00:41:46,425
Uh, you know, every trip, you
know, you have a certain purpose.

1021
00:41:46,575 --> 00:41:48,555
Um, and, and you know, you look at.

1022
00:41:48,910 --> 00:41:51,250
What's a success and what's not a success?

1023
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:56,440
Would you consider this trip for what you
were going to look for for lost Sharks?

1024
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,650
Uh, a, a success from one to 10?

1025
00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:04,150
What would you consider like, it,
it, it being as from like 10 to say

1026
00:42:04,180 --> 00:42:07,960
like, everything is successful to, you
know, one or like nothing went well.

1027
00:42:08,475 --> 00:42:10,815
Uh, easily like a 9, 9, 5.

1028
00:42:10,815 --> 00:42:11,145
I would.

1029
00:42:11,295 --> 00:42:11,325
Okay.

1030
00:42:11,325 --> 00:42:12,435
It was a good, it was a good trip.

1031
00:42:12,435 --> 00:42:13,125
It was a good trip.

1032
00:42:13,125 --> 00:42:17,325
I, I'd never been there before, so I had
a lot of, so it was, there was a lot.

1033
00:42:17,325 --> 00:42:21,165
It was so, it was, it was just a
new big adventure for me and stuff.

1034
00:42:21,194 --> 00:42:21,585
Yeah.

1035
00:42:21,590 --> 00:42:26,595
I, I probably would've given it a 10,
but the, the story for I, everybody

1036
00:42:26,685 --> 00:42:27,825
told me like, just be prepared.

1037
00:42:27,825 --> 00:42:29,625
You'll probably get
some kind of a stomach.

1038
00:42:30,135 --> 00:42:31,515
Bug while you're there.

1039
00:42:32,085 --> 00:42:34,335
And I, um, and, and I was like, okay.

1040
00:42:34,335 --> 00:42:38,205
So I, thankfully I got a prescription
stuff of some, some stuff to take in case

1041
00:42:38,205 --> 00:42:39,885
you get food poison, basically what it is.

1042
00:42:40,245 --> 00:42:40,515
Yeah.

1043
00:42:40,635 --> 00:42:42,675
I made it through all the
way to the end of the trip.

1044
00:42:43,125 --> 00:42:47,625
I apologize, Christelle, but the last
day we're there, Christelle says that

1045
00:42:47,625 --> 00:42:50,445
it, Denise and I says, Hey, why don't
you come out with my husband and I will

1046
00:42:50,445 --> 00:42:52,695
go out for a traditional Malagasy meal.

1047
00:42:53,295 --> 00:42:56,445
And like every part of my
body's saying no, but my lips

1048
00:42:56,445 --> 00:42:58,365
were like, sure, let's go out.

1049
00:42:59,715 --> 00:43:01,395
I tell you, it tasted really good.

1050
00:43:01,395 --> 00:43:03,705
Going down, not good.

1051
00:43:03,705 --> 00:43:04,260
Coming back, coming.

1052
00:43:04,265 --> 00:43:07,935
The return, the return when it came
back wasn't so good a few hours later.

1053
00:43:08,625 --> 00:43:12,285
And, um, so that kind of like
had to, I had to knock off a half

1054
00:43:12,285 --> 00:43:14,025
a point and that was my fault.

1055
00:43:14,025 --> 00:43:16,860
It was strictly, but I had to knock off
a half a point just 'cause it was like.

1056
00:43:17,685 --> 00:43:21,705
And it was like, and yeah, and just,
just for, uh, uh, a pro tip, if

1057
00:43:21,705 --> 00:43:24,555
you're traveling to these places,
like go to your doctor and get like a

1058
00:43:24,555 --> 00:43:26,235
prescription of like erythromycin, right.

1059
00:43:26,715 --> 00:43:30,915
That stuff will, you know, your other
stuff over the counter stuff, it's okay,

1060
00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:35,115
but this stuff will just knock the shit
out of what's ever in your stomach.

1061
00:43:35,115 --> 00:43:37,305
And you believe me, you wanna
have that, especially when

1062
00:43:37,305 --> 00:43:37,905
you're, you wanna have that.

1063
00:43:37,905 --> 00:43:37,915
Yeah.

1064
00:43:37,965 --> 00:43:40,065
Especially when you're looking at,
you have to get on a plane in like

1065
00:43:40,065 --> 00:43:42,705
nine hours and fly for four hours.

1066
00:43:42,705 --> 00:43:44,595
You don't, you do not wanna be like.

1067
00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:47,310
No, heaving your guts out, so, um, no.

1068
00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:48,540
Yeah, you definitely don't wanna do that.

1069
00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:48,600
Yeah.

1070
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:51,960
So other than that little glitch, it
was a, it was a great experience and

1071
00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:56,580
I, as I tell people Andrew, it's like
I wanted to travel the world from the

1072
00:43:56,580 --> 00:43:58,379
time I was 10 and search for sharks.

1073
00:43:59,370 --> 00:44:02,370
And I've been living the
dream for over 40 years now.

1074
00:44:02,370 --> 00:44:04,589
And yeah, the young people listening like.

1075
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:07,080
Have a dream, go for it.

1076
00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:07,440
You know?

1077
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:07,500
Yeah.

1078
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:12,030
You're young once or, and I'm still, these
challenges keep me young, even though I'm,

1079
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,100
yeah, well, well past my say thirties.

1080
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:18,270
It keeps me young and I do, I get, and
you can tell, you know me long enough.

1081
00:44:18,270 --> 00:44:19,320
I get excited about it.

1082
00:44:19,325 --> 00:44:20,155
I get absolute, absolutely.

1083
00:44:20,315 --> 00:44:23,130
I get excited now is when I was
in my twenties to go in these

1084
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:26,250
adventures like this and just
kind of to meet those challenges.

1085
00:44:26,924 --> 00:44:29,325
I think reinventing yourself,
always trying to meet, you know,

1086
00:44:29,325 --> 00:44:31,245
keep, learn new skills and stuff.

1087
00:44:31,634 --> 00:44:35,325
Keep you always, keep you young and if you
start at a young age with that attitude,

1088
00:44:35,685 --> 00:44:37,245
they'll carry a long way in life.

1089
00:44:37,245 --> 00:44:41,325
And, and, um, anyways, it's like,
just advice, like to pass, pass

1090
00:44:41,325 --> 00:44:42,555
along to young people there.

1091
00:44:43,065 --> 00:44:45,765
And, um, anyway, like, you
know, watch out, watch.

1092
00:44:45,765 --> 00:44:49,815
We'll have a a a, a YouTube
channel episode coming up on this.

1093
00:44:50,190 --> 00:44:50,790
With everybody.

1094
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:53,790
I'll be posting on my social media,
particularly Instagram, but I'll be

1095
00:44:53,790 --> 00:44:55,560
posting some of the other Facebook Yeah.

1096
00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:57,450
And LinkedIn and some of the other stuff.

1097
00:44:57,810 --> 00:45:00,960
And I just wanna say one more
time, just a huge, huge thank

1098
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,330
you to Save rcs Foundation.

1099
00:45:03,660 --> 00:45:07,680
You guys have made this all possible,
uh, with all your help for this thing.

1100
00:45:08,010 --> 00:45:11,970
And, uh, um, just wanna thank
people I mentioned Christelle, like

1101
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:15,090
Piero, um, Stella, and your group.

1102
00:45:15,450 --> 00:45:16,140
Amazing.

1103
00:45:16,590 --> 00:45:18,150
Um, sorry if I forgot anybody else.

1104
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:21,120
And Oh, also some of the
fisheries ministers we met there.

1105
00:45:21,570 --> 00:45:22,590
Amazing people.

1106
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:26,340
Really, really doing all their
best they can do, you know, to help

1107
00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:28,020
fisheries and sustainable Yeah.

1108
00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:29,640
With sharks in Madagascar.

1109
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,540
And, uh, thank you all so much for the,
for your, for your help in all this.

1110
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:34,470
Absolutely.

1111
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:37,470
If you wanna follow more, you can
follow the episodes that we're putting

1112
00:45:37,470 --> 00:45:42,540
up on Dave's, uh, YouTube page, uh, or
YouTube channel that's at Lost Shark Guy.

1113
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:45,690
So if you just look up, I'll put the link
in the show notes so you can take a look.

1114
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,130
Um, but you can always check that out.

1115
00:45:47,130 --> 00:45:48,870
We put out, there's four
episodes already out.

1116
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:53,070
The fifth episode will probably be
out by January, I think, of 2026.

1117
00:45:53,070 --> 00:45:53,160
Yes.

1118
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,759
Um, and, uh, and, and yeah,
it's gonna be a lot of fun.

1119
00:45:56,759 --> 00:46:00,690
We're we're heading into the time where
he went, where Dave went to Darwin.

1120
00:46:01,585 --> 00:46:06,174
East Timor, uh, uh, Jakarta,
Indonesia, and, and some

1121
00:46:06,174 --> 00:46:07,645
cool, some cool things happen.

1122
00:46:07,645 --> 00:46:10,705
So, uh, definitely, uh, take a
look at that and, uh, looking

1123
00:46:10,705 --> 00:46:11,634
forward to seeing that.

1124
00:46:11,634 --> 00:46:12,625
Subscribe to the channel.

1125
00:46:12,865 --> 00:46:17,245
Uh, and you'll get, you'll get, uh, access
to those, uh, mo those, those videos.

1126
00:46:17,649 --> 00:46:19,540
Which are short, they're
like YouTube style videos.

1127
00:46:19,540 --> 00:46:20,859
So they're perfect for what you need.

1128
00:46:21,220 --> 00:46:25,000
Um, and of course Denise went with you to
take those videos for Denise, those trips.

1129
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,100
And Denise, I did not wanna
forget Denise, that's Denise's.

1130
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:27,790
Alright, I got you.

1131
00:46:27,790 --> 00:46:28,600
I so tomorrow.

1132
00:46:28,689 --> 00:46:29,319
Thank you so much.

1133
00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:30,850
Yeah, she's absolutely phenomenal.

1134
00:46:30,850 --> 00:46:32,290
So she's been on the podcast before too.

1135
00:46:32,290 --> 00:46:34,870
So anyway, Dave, thank you so much
for, for sharing this with us.

1136
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:38,649
We look forward to hearing more about
it through the videos on Lost Shark

1137
00:46:38,649 --> 00:46:40,060
Guy, the channel, the YouTube channel.

1138
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,220
Uh, we wanna thank you for,
for coming to the episode.

1139
00:46:42,310 --> 00:46:42,759
Appreciate it.

1140
00:46:42,850 --> 00:46:43,390
Okay, cool.

1141
00:46:43,509 --> 00:46:43,720
Thanks.

1142
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Thank you, Dave for joining us again on
the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

1143
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,410
It was great to be able to show what we
talk about on the Beyond Jaws podcast and

1144
00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:55,080
now what we talk about on this podcast,
to be able to show it on this one.

1145
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,780
And I think that's really important
to be able to promote not only the

1146
00:46:57,780 --> 00:47:00,420
different shows, but to show you that
there's different types of stuff that

1147
00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:03,720
we talk about now when we talk about
a lot of the stuff on the Beyond Jaws.

1148
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:06,600
If you haven't heard it yet, I highly
recommend that you go listen to it.

1149
00:47:06,690 --> 00:47:08,790
It's very different than
how to protect the Ocean.

1150
00:47:08,850 --> 00:47:09,690
We talk a lot about.

1151
00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:13,160
The careers of a shark scientist
because one of the reasons why we

1152
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,180
do is one is to show how the career
is not a straightforward path.

1153
00:47:17,180 --> 00:47:20,149
Most of the people who have been on
the podcast have been working in the

1154
00:47:20,149 --> 00:47:21,620
field for a number of different years.

1155
00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:25,160
Like it ranges from like five years as
graduate students all the way to like.

1156
00:47:25,230 --> 00:47:27,990
35 plus years, like what
Dave's been working in.

1157
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:31,620
Greg Komal, Lisa Hanson, who's now
retired, and so all these different

1158
00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:35,910
types of people who are working in shark
science who have worked in shark science.

1159
00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:38,640
The idea is to show that the
careers are not straightforward.

1160
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:41,730
They meander and give advice that
everybody gives advice, you know,

1161
00:47:41,730 --> 00:47:44,910
their own advice and what help
them do the work that they do

1162
00:47:44,915 --> 00:47:46,230
right now and over those years.

1163
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:48,120
So it's a lot of fun to
be able to check that out.

1164
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,920
So I highly recommend that
you go to Beyond Jaws.

1165
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:50,370
Check that out.

1166
00:47:50,370 --> 00:47:54,960
You can go to speak up for blue.com/beyond
Jaws to check out that podcast.

1167
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:58,240
In this episode, I wanted to
show you something different

1168
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:59,050
because it was different.

1169
00:47:59,050 --> 00:48:00,190
I told you it was gonna be different.

1170
00:48:00,250 --> 00:48:03,790
When we think about going into the
field and we look for lost sharks, we're

1171
00:48:03,790 --> 00:48:05,290
not going necessarily on the ocean.

1172
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:06,640
We're going into fish markets.

1173
00:48:06,670 --> 00:48:09,370
You know, Dave goes into fish
markets, talk to local fishermen in

1174
00:48:09,370 --> 00:48:10,600
the different places that he goes.

1175
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,345
Like even Madagascar, the fourth
largest island in the world.

1176
00:48:14,075 --> 00:48:17,285
You know, you have to travel to different
places, remote places, and speak to

1177
00:48:17,285 --> 00:48:21,125
people who have probably fished there
all their lives to be able to say, Hey,

1178
00:48:21,125 --> 00:48:22,475
what do you see on a regular basis?

1179
00:48:22,475 --> 00:48:23,285
Do you see this fish?

1180
00:48:23,285 --> 00:48:26,825
Do you not see this fish If you
actually go to the lost shark guy or

1181
00:48:26,825 --> 00:48:29,585
YouTube channel, and you can check
that out, and it's shown us below.

1182
00:48:29,675 --> 00:48:32,915
If you go and check that out, you'll
see in the first couple of episodes,

1183
00:48:32,975 --> 00:48:35,465
they had a number of different
people that go around and they show

1184
00:48:35,465 --> 00:48:37,295
posters of pictures of the shark.

1185
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:40,880
So the Adriana Gonzalez does,
and the other Adriana, I forget

1186
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,049
her last name, I apologize.

1187
00:48:42,109 --> 00:48:45,680
But they went around showing the pictures
of the sharks to the fishermen who

1188
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,730
were like, oh yeah, we've caught that.

1189
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:49,850
Or It's been like 30 years since we
caught that, or It's been 20 years

1190
00:48:49,850 --> 00:48:52,609
since I saw that, or I just saw that
the other day, or something like that.

1191
00:48:52,609 --> 00:48:55,670
So they go around with pictures and
they go around, speak to local fishermen

1192
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:58,790
and locals who've see this at the fish
markets, who see this, that they catch on

1193
00:48:58,790 --> 00:49:00,290
their boats or not catch on their boats.

1194
00:49:00,350 --> 00:49:03,950
And it's a very important aspect
of finding these lost sharks to

1195
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:05,785
make sure that it's like, Hey,
if we see them at a fish market.

1196
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:08,130
Well, they've been discovered
again, where did you find these?

1197
00:49:08,190 --> 00:49:08,820
Where they've been?

1198
00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:09,960
When was the last time you saw this?

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00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,460
Or like when did you catch this fish?

1200
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,890
There's a lot of different things
that go into it, and it's not

1201
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:17,010
like the perfect science, but
it's something where you explore.

1202
00:49:17,010 --> 00:49:21,300
And Dave always wanted to explore in his
career and be able to travel and look for

1203
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:22,890
sharks, and he loves it, as he mentioned.

1204
00:49:22,890 --> 00:49:27,270
You know, he's well beyond 30 years
old and he still gets excited when

1205
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:30,090
he sees these sharks or when he
goes on a trip like this to be able

1206
00:49:30,090 --> 00:49:31,830
to discover some of these sharks.

1207
00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:32,910
And I have to say that.

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00:49:33,315 --> 00:49:35,355
When things went his way per se.

1209
00:49:35,355 --> 00:49:39,285
I got a text and he was very happy
with what he saw in certain situations.

1210
00:49:39,285 --> 00:49:40,935
So, you know, it's a
lot to look forward to.

1211
00:49:40,935 --> 00:49:45,855
We will be putting the results of his
trip on the Lost Shark Guy YouTube

1212
00:49:45,855 --> 00:49:48,765
channel, so I highly recommend that
you look that over the next year or so.

1213
00:49:48,855 --> 00:49:51,525
It's gonna be a lot of fun to be
able to see what he's been able

1214
00:49:51,525 --> 00:49:53,265
to discover and what he's found.

1215
00:49:53,265 --> 00:49:56,775
And then of course, his camera
woman, Denise, she's been amazing

1216
00:49:56,775 --> 00:49:57,975
in each one of these trips.

1217
00:49:57,975 --> 00:50:00,525
They went to Peru, Ecuador
a couple years ago, and then

1218
00:50:00,525 --> 00:50:02,384
last year they went to Darwin.

1219
00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:04,680
East Timor and Jakarta, Indonesia.

1220
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,810
And then this year they
went to Madagascar.

1221
00:50:06,990 --> 00:50:10,320
So a lot of really cool things and that's
thanks to save our cease foundation.

1222
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,470
So we appreciate the funding that you're
giving Dave to do this type of work,

1223
00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:16,470
and I will highly recommend that you
watch it and let me know what you think

1224
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:18,150
about discovering these lost sharks.

1225
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:20,610
So let me know in the comments below
if you're watching this on YouTube,

1226
00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:23,280
and if you are watching this or
listening to this on your favorite

1227
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,465
podcast app, the audio version.

1228
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:28,090
Just hit me up on Instagram, DM
me at how to protect the ocean.

1229
00:50:28,090 --> 00:50:29,560
That's at how to protect the ocean.

1230
00:50:29,710 --> 00:50:32,980
And if you wanna know a little bit more
and you want to email me, you can do so If

1231
00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:35,560
you go to speak up for blue.com/contact.

1232
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,720
And that'll go right to my
email if you fill out that form.

1233
00:50:37,810 --> 00:50:40,900
And if you want to know how to get
ahold of Dave, it's at Lost Shark Guy

1234
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:44,440
on Instagram, but I'll put all his
social media contacts in the show notes.

1235
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,000
So that's it for today's episode.

1236
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,640
I wanna thank you so much for
joining us on today's episode of the

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00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,020
How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

1238
00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:52,600
I'm your host, Andrew Lewin from
the True Nord Strong and free.

1239
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,230
Have a great day.

1240
00:50:53,230 --> 00:50:53,730
We'll talk to you next time.

1241
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:55,290
And happy conservation.