What the Wildfire Smoke in Your Sky Has to Do With the Ocean

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I know this episode is not directly

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related to the ocean,

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although there is a connection to the

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ocean, which I'm going to talk about.

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Today we're going to be talking about the

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wildfires that are happening not only in

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Northwestern Ontario and Canada,

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where I live and how I was affected last

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week, but also fires across North America

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because there were plenty.

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And there's some blame that was going

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around for the Canadian fires, but there

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was also American fires.

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We're going to talk all about that. What

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the cause was, how do we do? How do we go

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about protecting them?

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How to like what the policy needs to be,

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budgets need to be, how countries can

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work together and what we can do in the

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future and how this is going to affect

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climate change in the future.

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Today we're going to be talking about

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something that is what feels like largely

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out of control for us.

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You know, we don't really have a huge

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direct cause, but we are affected by it,

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whether it's directly or indirectly.

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Last week, as I got back from my trip

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from Costa Rica, which was a lot of fun

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with my family, got to meet, got to see

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my daughter, not meet my daughter, got to

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see my daughter who's doing a great 12

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English class down there and experiential

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learning, which is very,

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very privileged to do so.

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And she's loving it. She comes back next

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week, but she doesn't want to come back.

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But regardless, she's going to be coming

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back and I can't wait to see her.

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But, you know, we, we came back and we

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had some great weather, you know, got out

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of the humidity of Costa Rica, came back

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to Toronto, Burlington, where I live.

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And we had some great weather. It wasn't

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humid. It was like a nice little breeze

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come through about 25

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degrees Celsius was quite nice.

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A little bit of humane, but not much. And

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then a couple of days later, we got the

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humidity, got hit dead

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smack with the humidity.

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And I remember at 830 in the morning, I

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came in from walking my dogs and I was

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like, Hey, you know, it's,

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it's, it's beautiful outside.

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I was even telling my mom was on the

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phone with me in the morning and I'm

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like, Hey, this is wonderful.

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Like, this is actually quite nice to be

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able to enjoy this type of weather. And

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then I come out, I let the dogs out like

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maybe a half hour

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later and I look around.

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I'm like, looks and smells and tastes a

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little smoky outside like a campfire. I'm like, that's interesting.

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So I let the dogs come back in. I go out

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the front, I take a picture and I'm like,

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huh, it's kind of

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grayish, a little hazy outside.

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And then four hours later, you know, we

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realize that I was probably a little bit

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of wildfires are coming down.

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We get them every once in a while, once

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the wind shifts. And then four hours

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later, just I live west of Toronto.

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All of a sudden, the sky was orange. It

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felt like like apocalyptic. You know, I

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in my office where I sit, I have a

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skylight and I look up at the skylight.

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And I said, Holy cow. Like it is orange.

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I can see the sun. Everything else is

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orange. It's cloudy. It's hazy. Wow.

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This is really interesting to see and

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obviously not really good. I look at the

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air quality index, the

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AQI, and we are at Toronto.

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It has the worst AQI in the world at that

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moment. That's disgusting. I've never

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seen that before. I'm sure it's happened

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before, but I've never seen that before.

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And so we were told to stay indoors. If

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you go outdoors, if you need to go

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outdoors, sunglasses, mask, you know,

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like all that kind of stuff, particles in

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the air, all that kind of stuff.

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And it happened for a couple of days.

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Didn't stay orange all that time, but it

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would go up and down and the air quality

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index would go up and down.

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Luckily today, it's Sunday. It is as I'm

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recording this for tomorrow's episode,

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Monday, if you're listening to this on

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Monday, all of a sudden, I'm like, wow,

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this is interesting to see.

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There is, uh, it's beautiful outside. The

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humidity is gone. You can see everything

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blue skies, no orange tinge, no campfire

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smell, no campfire taste.

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And I'm like, wow, this is kind of great.

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We got some rain the day before all the

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smoke is gone. However, when I go look at

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our wildfire map in Canada, I look over

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and there are actively about 900 forest

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fires, wildfires in Canada.

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And if you look at the map, uh, which I

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can't show on the audio podcast,

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obviously, but if you look at the map,

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you can see that, you know, it's

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basically follows the boreal forest. The

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boreal forest goes across Canada from the

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east all the way to the northwest.

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And you can see that these wildfires

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follow that. And of course, just

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depending on the shift of the winds of

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whether we get the smoke or not, the

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smoke went from all the way from northern

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northwest Ontario for us. And it went all

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the way down into the US like past

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Toronto into the US into like the eastern seaboard.

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Um, people obviously weren't happy.

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People in Toronto weren't happy. Uh,

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people down in the States weren't happy.

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There were a few senators who said that

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there should be sanctions against Toronto

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or against Canada for not handling their

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wildfires very well, which we'll talk

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about both of those things in a bit about

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how Ontario manages their wildfires as

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well as how, um, you know, the US or one

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of the put sanction on us.

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The US President Donald Trump said that

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he wants to put tariffs on Canada or he

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will be putting tariffs on Canada because

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of these forest fires, whether any of

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that's going to come to fruition. I don't

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know. Um, but you know, regardless, it

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just left a bad taste in our mouth. No

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pun intended here in Canada.

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Uh, but we're going to be talking about a

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bunch of these things, but this is what

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happened over the last week, you know,

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and it not when it goes away, a lot of

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the people around here, like around

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Toronto and I'm sure south of the border

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are like, oh, thank God, it went away.

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Like we're out of it now. It's kind of,

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it's kind of good. Unfortunately, with

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all these, uh, with

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all these fires burning.

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This, this is all affecting the people

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where people live, you know, Northwest

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and Ontario is a populated area, not

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highly populated, like Southern Ontario,

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where you have millions and millions and

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millions of people, but there are people

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out there. Unfortunately, our most

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vulnerable first nations and small towns

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that are in there had to be evacuated.

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They had to be moved.

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Um, they lost their homes. They lost

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everything. Memories, all that kind of

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stuff. Like just culture because they, we

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don't know when they're going to be able

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to go back and unfortunately this is

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happening more often than not.

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We use this. This is a three years and

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this is a second year as has happened and

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it's just devastating and unfortunately,

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uh, this isn't going to go away. You

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know, we don't know when these are going

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to hit. We don't know how intense they're

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going to hit, but it's, it's, it's here.

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The thing is, is like when we look at how

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our boreal forest, like our boreal forest

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across Canada is like, it's one of the

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planet's biggest carbon sinks, right? So

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when it burns, uh, the, that stored

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carbon gas or goes into the stored carbon

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goes into the atmosphere and roughly a

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quarter of all human caused CO2 emissions

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gets absorbed by the ocean.

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Right? So, so there's a connection to the

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ocean here. And so more of that

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atmosphere carbon eventually means more

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ocean acidification. And of course that,

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that, that period was just taken up too

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much. They can't absorb anymore is coming

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even closer and closer.

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Now fire retardant and ash will run off

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into drain and drain into watersheds in

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Northwest Ontario waterways feed into the

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Great Lakes, which eventually connect to

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the Atlantic via the Gulf of St.

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Lawrence. So we eventually get into the

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ocean. And of course it can go into the

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Hudson's Bay. It can go into the Arctic.

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It can go into the West Coast when you

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have fires out the West.

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So it goes into the Pacific. So it goes

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into all of the oceans eventually, uh,

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you know, that, that surround Canada as

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well as the US and other places that are

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experiencing wildfires. Um, and then of

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course the smoke and heat domes are a

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land ocean atmosphere system story,

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right? That's what really, we're coming

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up with the same heat that, that of dome

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that's pushing smoke into the US is part

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of a broader ocean

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driven climate pattern.

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And, and the thing is too, is like,

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what's interesting is that there's an El

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Nino around, right? Scientists have

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reported El Nino, which makes things

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drier. So the cause of this is, is like,

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look, it's, it's not as humid, which it

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normally is humid. So you get more water

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in the air, which makes it a little bit

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harder to have fires. Uh, and then of

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course it has, you know, it has, so with

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less moisture, moisture makes it drier.

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increased winds, which is

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easy to spread with the wildfire.

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were caused by lightning, right? And so,

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um, you know, as these, as lightning

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strikes and then you get drier

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conditions, you get fires, the wind blows

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and you get, you know,

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these, these massive wildfires.

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of wildfires that are out of control.

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Some are being monitored, some aren't

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being monitored, but the most of the map

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is, is peppered with wildfires that are

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out of control in Canada. Right? That's

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not good. There are some in the States as

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well. There are some in Colorado, there's

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some out west. Um, and the ones in

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Colorado, the, actually the, the, the,

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the smoke from the one in Colorado, the

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ones in Colorado are actually coming up

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into Canada, into southern Manitoba and southern Saskatchewan province.

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In Canada and affecting in Canada. So

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here's, here's the thing about this whole

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wildfire and smoke going across borders.

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Smoke doesn't see borders. Wildfires

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don't see borders. They see heat. They

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see dryness. And when you get a lightning

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strike, you get this massive expansion of

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fires. You get the fire started and then

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you get wind and you get this, these dry conditions.

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Just allow these wildfires to spread.

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Right? And, and to cause the damage that

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we're causing right now. Being in an El

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Nino year, it makes it worse. Being in a

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super El Nino, uh, you know, sort of

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time. It is makes it even, even worse.

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And that is something that, um, is not a

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good formula for what we're doing here.

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You know, for what we're trying to live

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in and live across. So I think that's, uh, a good way to do it.

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I think that's unfortunate. And I think

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that's, that's really, it's, it's really

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hard. There were over 900 forest fires,

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wildfires in Canada as

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of Friday, July 16th.

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That's devastating. That's, that's sorry.

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16th. That's really devastating. That is

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something, you know, nobody wants to see.

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Uh, and, and it's going to get worse.

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We're going to see, we're going to see

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more of these, these wildfires climate

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change, increased weather, like increased

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intensity of weather systems changing in,

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in weather patterns and climate patterns.

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We're going to see all this with climate

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change. It just exacerbates everything

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that we are looking at. And

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unfortunately, there are many families

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that have been affected by these

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wildfires up north as well as down south

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where these, where these winds are blown.

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And, but when the wind stopped blowing in

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the, in the direction where people are

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starting to notice, especially over like,

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uh, Queen's park, which is true. The

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capital, like in Toronto is the capital

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of Ontario where decisions are made

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policy decisions are made.

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You know, if those are gone, they're out

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of sight, out of mind. So people stop

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worrying. They're just happy that they

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can actually do some, some work. Um, so I

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think that's, that's

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a big, a big problem.

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Now there are some conspiracies that

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arson starts a lot of this. And I wanted,

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I want to just kind of tell people that a

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quarter or less than a quarter. So a 4%

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of cases in wildfires are arson related,

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meaning that they're done on purpose.

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There are some that are started because

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people are maybe some careless or

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careless or they start a fire when they

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shouldn't be starting a fire. And then

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the fire continues. Most of the fires, a

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majority of the fires are started by

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lightning strikes in Ontario.

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And so, you know, I think that's, that's

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a really big problem. In the bigger

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picture, when we look at it, scientists

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are attributing the underlying dry, hot

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conditions fueling these fires to human

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caused climate change. Right. So that's

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what we're looking at.

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Now the, when we're looking at the

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consequences of this, the consequences

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are really a lot of the

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times we're looking at.

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And so the consequences of this is that more than 1600 first nation residents

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have already been displaced by wildfires

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this season and the season is far from

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over. And so it's unfortunately, these

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are the places that are most vulnerable

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in 2025 alone 44,000 over 44,000 people

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from 61 on reserve first nations were

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displaced by wildfire giving useful year

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over year context. Right.

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And so if you think about what you keep

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in your home, let's, let's bring it down

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to a personal level. Like if my home ever

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got burnt down, knock on what I hope that

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never, never happens.

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Pictures, memories, keepsakes that we

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have in our homes are gone, you know, and

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of course the home's gone. Right. And if

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it takes out an entire neighborhood,

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takes out an entire area town, entire

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town, that's devastating to the town.

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And so it loses the culture, loses the

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ability to rebuild in those areas, right?

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There's a lot of, you know, once you lose

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your homes, there's a lot of cleanup,

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there's long displacement timelines. The

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rebuild costs are expensive.

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Ensure having to deal with insurance and

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things like that. It's really bad. And of

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course, when you have wildfires, you have

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forest loss, you have reduced carbon sink

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capacity because we lost those forests.

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And then of course, it also meaning less

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CO2 absorption. And when forests burn,

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they put it, they give methane back into

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the atmosphere, which is even worse to

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the greenhouse gas effect.

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So that's always bad. And of course, the

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El Nino intensity through fall and winter

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raises the odds of continued heat and

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dryness, feeding future fire risk and a

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feedback loop worth naming explicitly.

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And a fear we're going to take that out

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and a feedback loop that is really not a

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good thing that happens.

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Now let's talk about the politics. Let's

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talk initially about the international

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politics because that's making big news

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right now. We had Donald, President

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Donald Trump and a couple of senators

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saying that Donald Trump said we're going

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to put, he's going to put tariffs,

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increased tariffs on Canada for not

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handling their wildfire, I guess,

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readiness and preparedness or ability to

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control those wildfires.

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So he's going to put tariffs on them

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because they're affecting the US air

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quality. And then there are some senators

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in the US that's federal senators in the

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US that said, hey, let's put sanctions on

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Canada for not being able to

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control their forest fires.

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Of course, it's a ridiculous statement,

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in my opinion, even from a scientific

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opinion, it doesn't make sense. On the

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one hand, climate change is real. I know

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a lot of people in the US don't think

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about it in the government,

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but climate change is real.

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We're seeing these these cases where

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these wildfires are popping up left,

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right and center from lightning strikes

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from whatever the cause and they're

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getting out of hand and they're really

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difficult to control.

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So it's not as if they're not trying to

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put together stuff. We have lots of

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equipment. We have a lot of equipment

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that we lend the US when they need help,

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which leads me to my second point.

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Canada and US are allies. I know a lot of

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times in the news and some politicians

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are making it look like we are not

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allies. We are allies. And when the US

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has problems with wildfires or any kind

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of problems, we send our best equipment

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and our best people over there.

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In fact, unfortunately in Colorado, there

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was a Canadian firefighter who passed

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away trying to fight the fires in

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Colorado because Canada sent them there

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to help them out, right to help the US

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out. So the fact that and of course, I've

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mentioned earlier that the fires in

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Colorado, the smoke actually goes up to

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Canada because of the wind.

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And so we're all feeling the effects

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here. The big thing is is like when when

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these disasters come across, the big

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thing that we need to do is really stick

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together and help each other out. It's

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not a matter of who's to blame and what

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we need to do. We need

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to help each other out.

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You know, lend equipment, lend people and

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resources if we can, and then not vice

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versa. We help each other out because

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it's to be honest, we all benefit from

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helping each other out. Plus, it's a good

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thing to do with our allies and our

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neighbors. And that's what we

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that's what we do as Canadians.

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And I hope the US I know the US has done

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in the past. I hope they continue to do

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that in the future because we need to

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help each other out. It's just in Mexico

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as well in the Caribbean. We need to help

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each other out. We need to lend each

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other our resources and our people.

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That's what we do. We've always done that

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and we'll always continue to do that.

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Now, what's interesting from an Ontario

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perspective from what I've looked into is

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that the Ontario government spent 271

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million on emergency firefighting in 2025

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and 2026. But the budget but only

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budgeted 150 million for 2026 and 2027.

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So they actually reduced the baseline

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budget by quite a bit.

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And in 2024, Ontario budget 135 million

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but spent 171 million and 2025 the budget

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stayed the same while actually spending

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271 million. So there's obviously they're

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always going to spend more and the base

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budget is there to make sure that the

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people who are fighting fires and the

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firefighters as well as the forest

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managers have the means to prepare

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proactively prepare to

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manage these forest fires.

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So if they're not if they're just not

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there, they can't get specific equipment.

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They can't get specific resources. So

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when wildfires do come up, that money has

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to be given extra money has to be given

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lickily spit because the people aren't

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prepared. The divisions that need to go

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out and fight these fires and control

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these fires and help with the managing of

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the forest at that time in a reactionary

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mode, then there's increase in budget.

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And Doug Ford, who's the premier of

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Ontario for those in the US, it's like

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our governor for Ontario. They, you know,

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he said, he said, look, he's like, we

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always he goes, I always support our

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firefighters. He kind

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of took insult to it.

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And he said, look, the base budget was

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this, but we spent 271 million in 2025

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and 2026 to fight these fires. But again,

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it's version, it's reactionary versus

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proactiveness, right? It's better to be

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proactive and prepare for the worst

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because we're seeing

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the worst than it is.

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To just give money. Obviously, you're

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going to give emergency funding when it

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needed, but to make sure that these the

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people that need to fight these fires and

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can help control these fires have the

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equipment and the people and whatever

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else they need to help get out there as

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quickly as possible and even prevent like

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manage these a lot better. So yes, from

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the US saying we need to enter.

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And we have to make sure that we don't

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have to spend too much money on this all

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every year because we may not need it

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every year, but I'd rather be prepared

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and spent overspend

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than not prepared at all.

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So yes, I think it's a weird situation to

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be in, especially when you have neighbors

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who are trying to put sanctions and or

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tariffs on it. Now, will those go

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through? Probably not. I feel like it's

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just the US trying to help protect the US

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00:20:01,375 --> 00:20:02,541
citizens. But

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unfortunately, that's just the way it is.

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I'd love for us to control these fires

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better, but with climate change, low

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budgeting for preparedness, it doesn't

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really make sense in a lot of ways. And I

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have a feeling that the US is in the very

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similar situation. So that's a really

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difficult thing to do.

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Now, I don't want to just kind of come

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here and be like, hey, you know what,

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like we need this is it. There's nothing

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you can really do. There is some stuff

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that you can do. So I want to talk a

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little bit about that. Right.

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So the first thing is, is your personal

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safety. Look and check your air quality.

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Right. So Environment Canada or air now,

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if you are spending extended time

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outdoors, especially with kids or older

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adults or with pets, things like that, or

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anyone with asthma or heart conditions,

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make sure you check the air quality, make

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sure it's safe for people to go out.

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There's always indexes, whether it's on a

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phone app or whether it's on the AQI

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website, you can go in and you can check

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that out and look at that.

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And if you're in or near a fire zone, you

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know, I want you to, I want you to look

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and make sure you understand and follow

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00:21:06,166 --> 00:21:09,041
the evacuation orders immediately rather

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than waiting. Like several evacuees this

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00:21:11,708 --> 00:21:13,666
season had to self evacuate because of

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this last minute. Some of these evacuees

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had to be airlifted out. Some went by

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00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:20,625
boat, depending on where they live. So

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these, these fires, they travel quickly.

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So making sure that you have a 72 hour go

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bag ready when they

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tell you to have it ready.

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That's always a good precaution. And then

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when they tell you to get out, you get

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out as soon as possible.

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And then of course, like when it comes to

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government, you want to push for real

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accountability on wildlife budgets or

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wildfire budget. Sorry. Contact your

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provincial MPP if you're in Canada or

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your government representative, if you're

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somewhere else, if

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underfunding frustrates you.

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And this is a policy choice, of course,

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it's not just like an act of nature

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alone. So this is something that, you

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know, we can have policymakers step up to

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do. And I think that's really good.

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And of course, you know, looking at

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climate change in general, reducing your

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own carbon footprint is still one of the

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few levers individuals have like the

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control of on the underlying warming

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trends of driving both worse, like it

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drives both worse fire

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seasons and ocean acidification.

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So if you're looking to protect the

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ocean, you're also looking to protect

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people, reducing your footprint for

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climate change and making sure that you

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are pushing your elective members of

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government to do the same thing. I think

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that's, that's really important.

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But that's it for today's episode. I want

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to go over that. I know it's not directly

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related to the wildfire or to the ocean,

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but it is affecting oceans at some point

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in time. So I felt like it was important.

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It was in the news. It was big news. And I think that's important.

633
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It was big news. And I feel like it needs

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to be addressed. Look, the big message is

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we are all in this together to fight each

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other on who gets sanctioned or who needs

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terrorists because

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they can't manage things.

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We should be working together and finding

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out how to better manage our force.

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There's no doubt about that. But on both

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sides of the border, any side of the

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border, it's something that we're going

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to have to do. It's something that is

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changing all the time, especially when

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we're in El Nino situations

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or we're in climate change.

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And obviously we're in both. So that's

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something that's in this apparently it's

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could be like a super El Nino and some of

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the worst ever. So it's going to happen

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again next year. If we continue with

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these dry conditions and we're going to

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need to be prepared, better prepared this

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year than we were or next year than we

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were last year. And of course the year

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before. So that's what I have to say. I

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would love to hear if you have any

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questions or comments. Let me

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know in the in the show notes.

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00:24:04,791 --> 00:24:06,500
Let me know if you want to get a hold of

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00:24:06,500 --> 00:24:08,500
me. You can DM me on Instagram or on

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00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:10,750
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thank you so much for joining me on

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today's episode of the how to protect the

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ocean podcast. I'm your host, Andrew

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Lewin. Have a great day. We'll talk to

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you next time and happy conservation.