Nova Scotia Whale Sanctuary Approval: What It Means for Captive Whales and Ocean Conservation

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For the first time in Canada's history,
we're one step closer to giving captive

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whales a real home in the ocean.

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Nova Scotia, the province of Nova
Scotia has just approved the lease to

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the country's first whale sanctuary,
A refuge that could finally let

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former captive whale live in the
sea again, or if they were born in

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captivity for the first time ever.

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But is this the finish line or is it
just the beginning of a long journey?

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We're gonna talk about that
on today's episode of the How

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to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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Let's start the show.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another exciting episode
of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin, and
this is the podcast where you find

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out what's happening with the ocean,
how you could speak up for the

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ocean, and what you can do to live
for a better ocean by taking action.

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On today's episode, we're gonna be talking
about how the Whale Seaside Sanctuary.

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the Whale Sanctuary Project finally got
approval for a lease in Nova Scotia.

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This is huge.

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We never thought this was
actually gonna happen.

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It's been a long time, and it's
been over 10 years that the Whale

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Sanctuary project has been alive.

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I remember having Lori Marino
from the Whale Sanctuary Project

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on the podcast to talk about it.

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Also link it to the show notes.

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this is something that's been a huge,
huge news, and I, it's all sort of

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stemming from, I think, from Marineland.

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It just seems to be a big
coincidence right now.

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There are 30 belugas in Marineland
right now that need to go somewhere.

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The Marineland wants to sell them off
to either theme parks in China, but the

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government stopped that from happening.

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They needed a permit.

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The government said, no, you're not
gonna be putting it into another park

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where they're allowed to be part of
the entertainment as well as breeding.

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That's a law in Canada, you're
not allowed to do, so why would

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we send it to another country?

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Perfectly understandable.

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That's what's happened, and
now we have these 30 beluga.

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They're sitting there.

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It just reminds me of Marineland,
me as a kid going to Marineland,

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you know, listening to the jingle.

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Everybody loves Marineland.

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It's a song that just kept
happening over and over and over

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in the eighties and nineties.

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And when I was finally in university,
I hadn't really learned about

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the problems of captivity yet.

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And I took my girlfriend, who's now my
wife, I took my girlfriend to marine land.

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It's like, let's go see the whales.

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We're in Ontario.

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It's really the only time
where we can go see whales.

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And I remember being on a show,
we are super excited to see these

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whales perform tricks and seeing what
they do, how intelligent they are,

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how magnificent they are in person.

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And these dolphins came out of where
they were stationed and they came

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outta this gate and one animal kind
of came out a little too early.

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one of the dolphins.

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And looked like he got caught
in the gate a little bit.

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He kept swimming into the pool where they
were the main pool where they were doing

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all the tricks and you saw a trickle
of blood coming from his blowhole.

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That trickle of blood increased and
increasing, increased throughout the show.

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People in the show and the crowd were
like, Hey, you need to stop this dolphin.

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It's bleeding, it's
bleeding, it's bleeding.

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And people were saying,
look, we know it's bleeding.

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We got people looking after.

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'cause they were.

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Looking after it, but it kept doing
the tricks anyway, even after being

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looked at including being bloody, all
the thing, people were freaking out

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and they were trying to say that this
dolphin wants to do the tricks so bad.

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It doesn't care that it's bloody.

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That's the stuff that they were
giving the audience, the information

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that was giving the audience.

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Long time after that, there was
this guy who was a trainer who

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actually worked at Marine Land.

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He defected seeing all the stuff
that was happening to the animals.

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He was the walrus trainer and he saw
what was happening to the walrus.

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He saw what was happening to the orcas.

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He saw what was happening to the
bottlenose dolphins and the belugas,

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and he was like, these people at
Marineland are not paying enough

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to take care of these animals.

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Fast forward to today's day, and we're
starting to see these belugas, which

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basically the marine land is shut down

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now.

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We're starting to see these belugas.

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30 of them that are in really bad
water quality, really bad shape.

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There used to be 52.

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20 have died actually
in the past since 2019.

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all because of just they're failing
to take care of these animals when

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they try to transfer the animals to
Mystic Aquarium down in Connecticut.

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The animals died when
they went down there.

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Obviously not a good situation for the
whales, not a good sign for marine land.

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And so things just happen.

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In 2021, we saw a law go in to
protect these marine mammals, make

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sure they're not doing shows, they're
not part of the entertainment and

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they're not being used for bread.

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'cause that's another
big money moneymaker.

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Marineland tried to transfer these
animals out and try to get paid for

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that transfer to go out to go to
another marine theme park in China.

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Now, I'm gonna tell you, I've heard
from scientists, from advocates and

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from both who are saying the worst
thing that people could do at Marineland

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is transfer them out of North America
and to Asia where the animal welfare

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protections are not very good.

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That's essentially what
I'm gonna say, right?

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And so now we have these animals
that are kind of stuck there.

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The marine land asked for a
permit to send them to China.

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The government said,
no, you can't do that.

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Okay?

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Now what they're saying,
we can't feed them.

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We're gonna have to euthanize 'em.

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And government said, absolutely not.

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You're wrong for even saying that.

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You need to take care of them because
you are the ones who have them housed.

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And that's been going
back and forth ever since.

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There's been a little bit of fundraising.

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I've done this all another episode,
another couple of episodes.

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But during this entire thing.

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During this entire fiasco, the name
of the Whale Sanctuary project came

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up a number of times 'cause people are
wondering where can we put these animals?

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If we can't keep 'em in captivity,
if we can't ship 'em off to another

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marine theme park, where could they go?

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Two places were suggested.

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There was up in the Arctic where
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They would put them there.

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That hasn't really
manifested into anything.

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The indigenous people who are up there,
who are part of the commission haven't

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come back with an answer as far as I know.

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And so there's no real will
at this point to do that.

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Somebody suggested, and rumors,
kind of flew around, but it

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just still hasn't happened.

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The other place was the Whale
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supposed to be in Nova Scotia.

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Now this whale Sanctuary project is
and has been around for about a decade.

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Now nothing has really come of it other
than they have found a location in Nova

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Scotia where the organizers and the
funders and the donors and everything feel

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that there could be a spot in Nova Scotia
where they actually found the location

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would be perfect to house orcas or maybe
a couple of dolphins, or maybe a couple

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of belugas depending on the situation.

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So a lot of people are like, oh, great.

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Let's put the 30 belugas over there.

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That's not happening.

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This sanctuary would be a pen.

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So essentially it would be a net,
but it'd be in natural ocean waters

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in the ocean in the North Atlantic.

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There's a lot of problems with it in
terms of the location, because these

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belugas do not come from Nova Scotia.

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They don't belong in Nova Scotia.

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A lot of them have Russian ancestry
of where their ancestors were located.

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A lot of these animals were fed and
bred in and born in captivity, so would

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they be able to survive on their own?

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There's a lot of misinformation
around the sanctuary.

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When I did the interview.

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Lori would say, and I've also
interviewed other scientists about

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that, and they have said that, look,
there's no expectation that these

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animals are gonna survive on their own.

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There's no expectation
these animals will survive.

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For a long time, there hasn't been
a precedent that's really been set.

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There've been some beluga whales
that have been released into a

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sanctuary, but they stay inside.

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But they have a choice of going outside.

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There was Keiko, the orca that
was put in Iceland in a pen.

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He survived for about five or six years,
and he finally went out of his pen.

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He was allowed to leave
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He finally left, he went on his own, and
he eventually passed away peacefully,

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but he was almost 30 years old.

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and also traumatized.

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A lot of these animals are traumatized, so
there hasn't been a lot of precedent, but

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people are saying that these animals can't
be put out because of these two things.

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They're also saying that the whale
sanctuary, where it's located in

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Nova Scotia along the Atlantic Coast,
is not good water quality wise.

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Well, there used to be a gold mine back
in the early 1920s, and so people were

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like, well, there's gonna be gold, and
there's gonna be all these different types

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of metals that come around with mining.

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They've done tests, they've done
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Everything seems to be
written off and checked out.

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Everything seems to be fine.

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Signed, delivered, sealed, delivered.

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We've been fine with that.

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They just didn't have the permits.

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The sanctuary did not have the permits.

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They did not have the provincial permits.

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They now have the federal permits,
which is like navigable waters

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because they're gonna be putting in
a pen, like a net, a massive net.

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and they didn't have the
landowners around there.

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Their agreement, they have
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There's rumors that two or three of them
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There's a lot of traffic
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A lot of people are gonna visit
this bay, and it's a small

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area, like small town area where

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They don't want a lot of visitors.

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A lot of people just want to be peaceful
and a lot of them are retired or they're

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just growing up with Leon families there.

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They don't want the big
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It's the bay that they live in.

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They may not want whales in
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be there on a natural basis.

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Who knows what that's gonna do
to the ecosystem environment.

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There are still a lot of questions.

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I actually think the whale
sanctuary is a great idea.

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It's something that we need to do as
an experiment for these whales, and

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I know when I say experiment, I don't
mean to play with whale's lives, but

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it's something that we need to do.

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We owe these whales some kind of
sanctuary after being bottled up into

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these tanks for their entire lives.

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They need to do something and you
can't fit 30 belugas in there.

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These 30 belugas probably won't be
able to be in there because they

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don't have the permits until today.

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They have announced, it has been announced
that Nova Scotia has provided the

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permits for the lease for the area around
the crown land that's around the bay.

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They will have access to it.

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So that's one of three major
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Of course, they still have to have
federal, so DFO, fisheries and

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Oceans needs to sign off on and give
them the permits to actually handle

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the whales and take care of those
whales as well as transport Canada,

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which is like navigable waters.

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They need to make sure that
boats can go in and out, that

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these nets are gonna be fine.

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We've had this net stuff happen
before in other sanctuaries.

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So I'm sure we can come to an
agreement, but the fact is they do

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have a permit from the province of
Nova Scotia, which is one of the big

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hurdles that they had to get over.

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And this is a huge thing.

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This is something that I feel as
though we are getting closer and

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closer to having something that
will work, to having something

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that is closer to a physical thing.

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And now I know there's a lot of people
who are putting comments on my TikTok and

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social media and stuff like that, that
do not agree with this and say, look,

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this has been planning for 10 years.

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This is not gonna happen.

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They don't have the funding, they
don't have the people to care for it.

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They don't have this,
they don't have that.

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I understand, I completely understand.

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This is something completely new.

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It's not gonna happen overnight.

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We need to be patient with these things.

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And of course, as we are patient, as
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for landowners to say, Hey, you know
what, we're okay with it finally.

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Hopefully that will happen.

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'cause I understand their predicament,
there's gonna be dolphins and orcas

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and belugas that died that may have
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if it was actually put in place.

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But it isn't, and it's not
gonna be done for a long time.

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Even if we get all the permits and
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it's still gonna take a while
to put everything in place.

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But I guarantee you this Whale
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knows what they're doing.

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Because they have the backs of scientists.

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They have the support of veterinarians,
they have the support of advocates.

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They have the support of marine
biologists, they have the support

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of local environmentalists.

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There are a lot of people who will
support us just as much probably

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as people who won't support this.

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This is very new and is very experimental.

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We do not know if some
of these orcas will last.

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They probably won't be able
to feed on their own ever.

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or it'll take a long time.

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That we know these animals have been
psychologically battered for a long time.

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especially with orcas, we know
of their emotional awareness.

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We know that they're sensitive.

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We know that they've gone through a huge
traumatic event for their entire lives.

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Or some of them still were captured.

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Some of them were born in a tank
and they have never seen the ocean.

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So we know that there's a lot of questions
that need to be had, but we also owe

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it to these marine mammals, these
poor marine mammals who have been the

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subject of entertainment, of breeding
when they don't necessarily want to and

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artificial insemination and so forth.

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And it's just been horrible for them.

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We know this.

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And so it's up to us as human
species to give them a chance.

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And I understand why a lot
of people are against this.

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I completely get it.

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But we owe it.

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We need to help these animals out.

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And it may not be perfect,
but we owe them something.

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And there are some people who believe
that these animals could even die in these

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pens at some point, maybe even directly.

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And that is something that we might see.

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If we can get this right, at some
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with the sanctuary that they need.

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Now, not all the animals
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There are a lot of questions.

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I get it.

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But this is something that we're
getting close to and it's probably

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gonna happen at some point.

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We just don't know when, so I
would love to hear your thoughts,

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whether you're for or against it.

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No judgment.

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Love to hear your thoughts
in the comments below.

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If you're watching this on YouTube,
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love to hear your comments as well.

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Or you can go to speak up
for blue.com/contact and you

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can just fill out the form.

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You can email me.

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Or you can even go to Instagram,
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Thank you so much for joining
me on today's episode of the How

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to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin from
the true nor strong and free and

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home to eventual whale Sanctuary
Project, seaside Sanctuary.

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I hope you have a great day and we'll
talk to you soon and happy conservation.