How Scientists Detect Ocean Life From a Single Bottle of Seawater and Why It Could Change Ocean Protection Forever

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What if I told you that scientists can
now detect hundreds of ocean species

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without ever seeing them, catching them,
or even knowing where they are or where

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they were all from one bottle of seawater.

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Look, we know the oceans are huge and
to monitor everything in the ocean

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is virtually impossible, especially
as things are changing so quickly.

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And conservation decisions depend.

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They matter on what is in the ocean.

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That's how we look at things.

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That's how we get to connect ocean species
to use so that you can fall in love with

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them and you can see how cool they are.

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But traditional surveys that we do
often miss some of these species

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more than you actually realize.

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Some are shy.

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If there's a person in the
water, some fish won't come out.

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They'll hide because they're
afraid of the person.

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You don't get a true sense of what was
actually there or what lives there.

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But now we have this thing
called environmental DNA, eDNA.

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And this is where it comes in.

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And in a recent study they show
how powerful this method could be.

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We're gonna talk about that
on today's episode of the How

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to Protect the ocean Podcast.

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Let's start the show.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another exciting episode
of the How to Protect the ocean Podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin, Marine
biologist and science communicator

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here to tell you what's happening with
the ocean, how you can speak up for

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the ocean, and what you can do to live
for a better ocean by taking action.

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And today we're gonna be talking
about actually a method to collect

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data on species, especially fish
species the actually improving what

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we know what's actually in the ocean.

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We don't often get to talk about this.

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I have talked about eDNA in the past.

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It was a number of years ago when it
was first coming out and we were first

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catching on to the glimpse of, Hey,
you know what, we can take a sample of

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water and we can detect what was there.

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How in the heck does that happen?

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That's gonna be talked about on today's
episode, but first I want to say,

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'cause I didn't get to say it last
episode, ' cause I recorded last episodes

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with Peter Neill before the new year.

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I wanna wish you a happy New Year.

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I hope 2025 was great.

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I hope 2026 is even better.

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And if you had a crappy 2025, I hope 2026
is great ' cause it can only get better

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from here.

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On this year.

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Just a quick note, we are gonna be doing
some crazy things, some fun things.

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We're gonna be putting out more
podcasts on, not just episodes,

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but actual different shows on the
Speak Up for Blue Podcast Network.

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So if you want to find out more
of where you can get that, just

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go to speak up for blue.com.

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That's speak up for blue.com.

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You'll be able to find all those shows
as we put them out, I mentioned one

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before the new year ended in 2025, I
mentioned that we're gonna be putting

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out polar bears in flip flops.

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That's with my buddy Angelo Villagomez
and I, we're gonna be talking to

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a bunch of people, have guests.

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It's a live podcast.

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We'll talk about the day when we're gonna
be recording, all that kind of stuff.

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It's gonna be once a week and
it's gonna be a lot of fun.

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You can find it live on the YouTube
channel, and then of course, pretty

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much soon after, you'll be able
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be a separate podcast in itself.

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We're gonna talk about conservation
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about all this kind of stuff.

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So that's coming.

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We got a Fisheries podcast in the works.

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I'm crowdfunding for a Seagrass podcast.

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If you want to help with that, you
can go speak up for blue.com/seagrass.

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Listen, this is amazing.

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I can't wait to bring this forward.

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I can't wait to say, Hey, you know what?

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This is gonna be an awesome year.

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This is gonna be so much fun.

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And the first thing we're gonna
talk about is data collection.

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'cause what is more fun than
talking about data collection?

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Especially in this one
recent study that came out.

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They talked about eDNA,
environmental DNA.

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We kind of know what DNA is, right?

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It's like a helix.

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Everybody has its own separate DNA
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forth, but we have our own separate DNA.

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It's unique to ourselves.

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And then a lot of times when we
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think of times in terms of like

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when you leave DNA, like at a crime
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scene and they're able to identify that
that person was there or that you see

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it in crime shows that their DNA was
on the knife or the gun or whatever.

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It's obviously a negative aspect of
using DNA, but the fact is you can

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identify people based on their DNA.

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Well, imagine if you can do that for fish
and understand that like in this piece

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of water, they actually swam through
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left a piece of themselves back there.

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Whether it's a scale, whether
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fluids, whether it's just poop
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They actually left something there
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inside of that, and then that will
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was there at that particular time.

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Now it won't identify individuals.

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We don't know that much, but it can
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a fish to species, but it can also
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And this is a really cool thing
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You don't need nets, you don't
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need divers to do everything or
to see anything and everything.

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Like I want you to think about when
you're out in the ocean and a net goes

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in, there are certain fish species
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avoid those nests pretty quickly.

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They can swim away.

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And so for the mammals can swim
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accident, some of them die.

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But imagine not having to use a
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Imagine not having to use a net
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You can use a different method
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just a really cool thing.

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When you put a camera down there, you're
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You're disturbing the ocean.

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When you're putting a camera down there,
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Probably not as much, but
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The big thing now are BRUVs.

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It's like a video camera down
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It's a camera.

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It's got some bait on it.

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And then what it does, it tracks a
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There's no person there.

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It's just a video camera with a long
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then every time a fish or something or
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video camera takes the video of the thing.

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It's constantly working.

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And then you go and you retrieve that,
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and hours and hours and hours and hours
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So it requires somebody to do that.

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But now just imagine that you
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Just a little in a test tube, or if
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more water, you can take like a
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what a Niskin bottle looks like.

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whether that sample is there.

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We're gonna talk about the intricacies
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or how accurate those can be.

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So here in this study, what they did is
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visual surveys by people, right?

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Visual surveys.

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So they have a diver in the water.

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I think it's really cool, but first before
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environmental DNA metabarcoding enriches
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fish community in the Dongsha Atoll.

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This is done in Taiwan.

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This is all from people at the Department
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Yat-sen University, Kaohsiung, Taiwan.

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That's where they're from.

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And it was accepted on December
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The lead author seems to be You-Chen
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There's a number of different, I'll put
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deserve to be acknowledged, obviously,
for their work and being able to provide

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this out openly so that I can talk to
you about it, which is kind of cool.

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So essentially they compared
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So a person in the water or people in
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The results essentially were the eDNA
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So essentially they had divers
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They run a transact, they
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They identify all the fish And
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They do another one.

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They finish their, and they go through.

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That's expensive.

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That takes a lot of work.

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It's tiring, depending on the conditions,
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know really what's going on if it's
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But if it is visible and you're in a
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You can see pretty far if you're a
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have good eyesight, better eyesight
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these species, but it takes time.

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It takes a lot of money and
that's not always there, right?

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And so that could be a
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However, when you look at eDNA,
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Or they take a bunch of samples
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They identify the different strands
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it to a number of different databases,
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That is pretty cool.

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Like I can't tell you how cool that is.

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The amount of money that it saves,
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Just to go in and be able to take water
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a DNA analysis is mind boggling to me.

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The amount of work you can do, more
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divers in the water is ridiculous.

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Now, it takes away the fun of diving,
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at all, but that's what it does.

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This is pretty cool, right?

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It doesn't say that
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It just means that the
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We still need divers to ensure that
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and see what species are there.

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Make sure that we can ground truth them.

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It's like using satellite imagery.

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When I started out, I was
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I was doing GIS, Geographical
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We learned remote sensing, right?

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And so remote sensing is using satellite
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features using the wavelengths and
doing a bunch of different analysis

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to look at the wavelengths, to be
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But you still have to go out in the field
and you have to ground truth, not only the

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geographic locations of these, of like,
whether it's lidar or actual satellite

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imagery, but you also have to make sure
that what you are identifying through like

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a bunch of different analysis, like doing
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You have to make sure that you have the
actual information right in front of you.

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And that is, the thing that you're
identifying, you have to go in

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the field and you'll be like,
okay, this is actually a feature.

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It's like a stone or it's a reef, it's
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You still have to do that.

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You still have to go out and do that.

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But this kind of tells you
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You still have to use divers
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there, but the DNA is there.

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You're pretty good once you know it.

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So it fills out those blind spots that
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presence, which disturbs and disrupts the
regular ongoings of a reef system or any

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kind of system when you're sampling it.

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So that's pretty cool.

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Now, here's the thing.

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The methods are cool but how does
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This is a podcast we call
How to Protect the ocean.

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So, Andrew, how does this actually happen?

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Why does this matter
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Well, the thing is, is better
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So the more data you have,
the better reasoning you have

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for marine protected areas.

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Managers can actually monitor
changes faster and cheaper.

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It takes a lot to take
divers out in the ocean.

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It takes a lot to take a boat for
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But if you just have to go out and take
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just do DNA analysis, it's so much faster.

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It's so much cheaper.

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You don't need the same amount of
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And so you just get a lot
more data for cheaper.

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That's pretty cool.

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It also tells, like, you
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If you have a lot of DNA at one
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don't have as many DNA, you're like,
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Are these species not in this
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Now that we're getting a lot
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that'll be the reference data.

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And I don't know if that's the actual
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get ' cause it could have changed
from before, but we're gonna know from

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now on how these things are changing.

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We'll be able to detect trends faster.

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We'll be able to detect trends just
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which will be really great.

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It gives early warning signs of
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Basically they become more visible
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And I think that's really good.

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If we don't know a species is
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But eDNA changes that.

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That was a quote in the thing that I read.

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So it was pretty cool.

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Just think about how we have to
react and how we have to manage.

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I always think this is interesting.

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I worked as an environmental
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environmental consultant.

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We worked with a lot of industries.

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We didn't have enough data to
detect, like how bats were gonna

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react in a specific alleyway.

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Kinda like a wind tunnel of
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And the company's like, well, if you don't
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It's up to the government to find out,
or academics or researchers to find out.

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And the government's
like, no, no, no, no, no.

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You have to pay for it to find out.

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It's a costly study and they
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it and all that kinda stuff.

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That happens in the ocean as well.

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When you don't know what a system is like,
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People are like, well, if we
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probably not disturbing anything.

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Well, no, that's not true.

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There's still out there.

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We just don't know what's there
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We still have to know.

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But the fact is now with all these
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overfishing, habitat loss, like
I said, deep sea remote ecosystem

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monitoring, all that kinda stuff
can be done now through eDNA.

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When I was a Marine technician in the
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CTDs, Conductivity Temperature Depth
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And we used to have this
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And it used to be around this,
ring, this like sort of outfit that

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goes around it, like a carousel.

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On the carousel it would
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These are water sampling
bottles that would be open.

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We keep them open and we would be
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the water column, keep those water
bottles open so water can go through

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it and it doesn't float and it
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you want, whatever depth you want.

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We went from like 10 meters all the way
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And then I was able to press a
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would close a Niskin bottle, and it
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So as long as you knew which
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depth, you can go back and you can
take eDNA from all those depths.

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Think about that.

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Think about all the species that
we can determine from there.

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If there's new DNA, oh, great new DNA,
we don't know what it is, but we have

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this map of DNA of a fish that's down
there, or some kind of species that's

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down there that we don't know what it is.

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It's pretty damn cool, I think.

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Now, of course there are
limitations, like I just mentioned.

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The fact that we don't have
the DNA of all the species.

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These are cross-reference, like
once you get the DNA out of the

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water, like once you analyze it for
the D, have all these DNA makeups.

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And then you're like, okay, cool.

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Now let's cross reference
them into these databases.

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There's a number of different databases.

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Some are regional and more local specific.

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Some are massive and people
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able to contribute to this data.

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So we're having more and
more species available.

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Not just fish, but all
these different species.

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But also, we don't know, we don't
have the DNA of every species,

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'cause we don't know every species.

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So eDNA tells us presence, but it
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That's one thing, but also.

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We don't know the actual like
DNA of everything, but it does

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allow us to identify what we don't
know and say, Hey, you know what?

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Here's a new species.

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We don't know what it is.

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If we ever find out, we're gonna
be able to match it to that and

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we can find out if there's more.

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So it allows us to kind of
bank those DNA until larger.

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So I think that's really great and
something that we need to continue to do.

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But eDNA doesn't tell us the
number of that population,

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so it tells us the presence.

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So great for diversity.

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Like species diversity, but it doesn't
tell you how much of one species

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it is or how much of individuals
are in that population size.

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And DNA moves with current.

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So it doesn't necessarily tell you that
that species was there at that point.

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This a fish scale can go as
far as a current will take it.

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It's not as if it can swim against,
it's just a piece of skin or a

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piece of scale that they have.

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So, you know, you never know
if it's gonna be there, but you

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know, it's around that area.

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And you can probably
model it as we know more.

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And of course it works best with
other methods, as I mentioned before.

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It's something that we look at and

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we have to ground truth it in the field.

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So that's something that's really good.

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But like, let's talk about
what this means, right?

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This means we can do faster
biodiversity assessments for

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cheaper, which is really great.

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We can better protect some of the
overlooked ecosystems because some of

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those species, we don't know if they're
there 'cause they hide whenever we do

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any other type of sampling, which is
great to be able to identify those.

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And of course it's more inclusive
science, so it's more data,

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more information, especially in
regions with fewer resources.

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Imagine like island communities
who cannot pay for a dive team

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to go down and get this safely.

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I had a conversation with somebody
on the Beyond Jaws podcast, which

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will come out soon, probably out just
probably when you get this podcast.

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But it was kind of cool because
she was talking about how she

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went out diving and there wasn't
necessarily safety divers there.

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Because they didn't have the
money to pay for all that.

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So when she just went through, she's like,
I probably wouldn't be able to do that

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now because there's needs of safety divers
and other divers to help you out in medics

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and so forth to make sure it's safe.

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That's all expensive.

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You can't do an expensive PhD sometimes
if you don't have the funding.

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And so to be able to have this ability to
sample this size is really, really great.

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The science helps decision
makers before it's too late.

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Not after an ecosystem collapses.

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So it's before that, which is great.

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So the thing is like if you
want better ocean protection,

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it starts with the knowledge.

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It starts with the information.

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Science like eDNA helps us
understand what's worth protecting,

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why we need to urgently and
how we need to urgently react.

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I think that's something
that's really great.

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And so that's the episode.

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This makes me excited because eDNA is fun.

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Collecting ocean information is fun.

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Just as I think about this as I end this
episode, the other benefit is you don't

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have to actually have to sample fish.

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This is the stuff that just comes off
fish, that comes outta fish or comes

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out of any kind of animal and that we
can grab and they can get their DNA.

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It's not as if we're harming them.

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It's not as if the thing.

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It provides a great thing for
diversity, which we don't act on enough

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because we don't think we know enough

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about biodiversity.

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We don't know enough about the species and
everything like that, or how many species.

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It's really hard to detect, as
I mentioned in this podcast.

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So I'd love to hear your
thoughts on this method of eDNA.

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If you're a scientist and you've used eDNA
before, I would love to hear from you.

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Thank you so much for listening.

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You have been listening to this episode
of the How to Protect the ocean Podcast.

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I'm your host Andrew Lewin from
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