Are All Plastics Toxic? What the Science Actually Says About Microplastics and Human Health

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Can plastic be

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considered toxic

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for everybody?

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Well, it can in

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my country,

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in Canada,

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because a new law

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was upheld in the

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appeals court

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that says plastic

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can be toxic to

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everybody.

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We're gonna be

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talking to senior

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campaign manager

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for plastics for

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Oceana Anthony

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Morrente

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here to explain

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how this decision

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was made

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and what that

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means for Canada

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in terms of

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single use

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plastics.

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This is the "How

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to Protect the

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Ocean" podcast.

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button so that

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episodes,

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including

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Monday's episode.

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Okay, today we

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are gonna be

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talking with

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Anthony Morrente,

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the senior

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campaigner on

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plastics for

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Oceana Canada.

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He's here to

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explain a

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new ruling

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that was upheld

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in the appeals

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court that says,

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"Hey, you

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know what?

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"It's okay to say

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that plastics can

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be toxic to

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everybody,

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"all plastics."

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And that was a

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recent decision

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that was appealed

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a while ago back

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in 2022 on a law

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that said,

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"Hey, you

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know what?

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"We're gonna put

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this in the

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Canadian

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Environmental

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"Protection Act

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to protect Canada

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"from different

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environmental

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concerns,

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including

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plastics."

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And then some

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regulations,

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including the

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single use ban

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on six different

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types of plastics

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that was

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implemented

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was at risk, to

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be honest, with

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this appeal

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that said,

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"Hey, you

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know what?

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"The chemical

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companies, the

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fossil fuel

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companies,

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"and so forth

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came out

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and said,

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"We don't think

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that all plastic

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is toxic to

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everyone,

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"and we don't

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think that that's

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a good way

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"of putting it in

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the law."

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upheld in the

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appeals court.

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are now seeing,

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and we've already

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some changes in

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restaurants,

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in certain types

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of plastics that

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single use

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plastic bags

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or as really any

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styrofoam cups

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containers that

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allowed out,

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but that will

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come in time.

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believe I'm

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saying this,

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that we've done a

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good thing here

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in Canada.

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started to lead

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with plastic

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management

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and making sure

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that we are not

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using single

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So today, on

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today's episode,

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we're gonna get

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into the

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interview with

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Anthony Morrente,

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Senior Campaigns

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Manager for

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Oceana Canada,

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talking about the

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ban on plastics.

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Enjoy the

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interview and

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I'll talk

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to you after.

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Hey Anthony, welcome

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back to the

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"How to Protect

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the Ocean"

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podcast.

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Are you ready to

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continue our

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conversation

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on banning single

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use

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plastics in Canada?

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Thank you for

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having me.

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three years of

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this

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conversation.

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So let's

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keep it going.

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(laughing) Look, it's been

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really

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interesting,

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following

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this ban.

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I mean, it's been

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in the works for

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a long time.

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Like it got

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actually passed

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earlier.

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the years and

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everything

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and getting into

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the specifics.

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It got passed.

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taken to court

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and then it got

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shot down.

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Part of it got

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shot down.

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saying that

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plastic

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isn't toxic.

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get into the

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details.

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appealed and now

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we have a ruling,

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which is really

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cool to see and

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be able to talk

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updates on what

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how things are

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gonna happen,

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enforcement,

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what's gonna

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happen in the

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next part of the

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legal process.

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might want to

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appeal, all this

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kind of stuff.

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all into that.

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But before we do,

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Anthony,

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why don't you

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just remind the

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people here in

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the audience

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of who you are

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and what you do?

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Yeah, so I'm

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Anthony Morante,

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the senior

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plastics

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campaigner at

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Oceania Canada,

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based in

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Montreal, Quebec,

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and part of

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Oceania,

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which is the

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world's largest

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ocean

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protection focused

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conservation

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organization.

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And that is our

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Canadian branch.

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Ottawa, Toronto,

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and Montreal.

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Montreal, which

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fantastic to hear.

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What a

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great city.

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It is a, you

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know, my brother

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was born in

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Montreal.

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up, I grew up in

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Toronto,

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but always loved

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going back to

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Montreal,

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the old city,

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like the downtown

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and everything.

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It's just a cool

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culture to

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be around.

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I love it.

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You went to

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school

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there, right?

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Is that what you

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told me?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I did my master's

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in biology and

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limnology.

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So study of lakes

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and rivers.

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Yeah.

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The University of

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Quebec, Amaliaou,

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and it's been

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dying to come

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back ever since,

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and finally made

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it happen.

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That's fantastic.

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And how is it

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getting, like,

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you have a French

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background, I

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believe.

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Like you, how was

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it getting back

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into it and

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speaking French

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on a more

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regular basis?

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Oh, it's a joy

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for everyone from

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Ontario.

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No, no, I

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love it.

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It's, I think

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we're really

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lucky as people

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that grow up in

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Ontario,

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that we have that

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good base

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of French.

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I think it grew

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up in a really

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good community

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that we had a

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Franco-Ontario,

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Franco-Ontarian

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community just

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next to us.

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Nice, nice.

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We didn't have

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this aversion to

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learning French.

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Right, right.

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It's very

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reminded how as

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intergesting the

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country can be.

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Yeah.

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But if we all

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embrace

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bilingualism.

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Absolutely.

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And when you get

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back, like I've

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lost a lot

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of my French,

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the French

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background, my

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parents were from

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Quebec City.

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And I find like

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when I get back

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and I

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actually try,

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I get that

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vocabulary back

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and it's like, it

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gets easier and

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easier

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and easier.

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And it's ever

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evolving.

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When I, the last

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time I lived here

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was between about

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2012 and 2015.

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And then jumping

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back here, the

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same way that

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English has

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evolved,

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Gen Z and Gen

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Alpha have

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completely

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different

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languages.

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It's the

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same here.

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But my French was

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like a little

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time capsule of

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like 10

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years ago.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah, so it's

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coming back with

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learning new

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words for

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everything.

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That's

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interesting.

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Very nice.

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I did not know

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that right on.

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Cool.

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Well, let's get

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into the plastic

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talk because like

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folks, I'm just

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going to

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let you know,

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if you don't

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follow, I follow

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you on LinkedIn.

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Your posts are

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amazing.

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I get all my

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updates on

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plastics, you

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know, and just

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especially now

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you've been

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really focused on

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not just this

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part here and the

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plastics treaty,

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but also plastics

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for big events

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and how big

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events are

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turning to

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getting a little

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bit more

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environmentally

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friendly and more

451
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sustainable.

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Can you just talk

453
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a little bit

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about that before

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we jump into,

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because it's kind

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of

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related to what

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we're doing here

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in terms of

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talking about

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this, this big,

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this big

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announcement.

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Yeah.

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So I think a good

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way of framing

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this is the

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plastic pollution

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problem,

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plastic waste,

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it's a

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numbers game.

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Yeah.

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Plastic waste

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goes where

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populations are.

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They go from

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these huge

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sources of

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plastic waste,

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things like

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e-commerce,

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restaurants,

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grocery stores.

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Obviously the

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bigger cities are

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the bigger

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producers of

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plastic waste.

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So when I've been

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pushing with

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Oceania for like

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national

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regulation,

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there's also a

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lot of things

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that we can work

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with decision

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makers at much

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smaller levels at

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subnational

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governments,

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municipalities,

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provinces and

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territories, but

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also large

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companies,

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large festivals,

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large events.

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You have to think

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if you just want

513
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to target what is

514
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a huge source of

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unnecessary

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single use

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plastic.

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Think about a

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stadium.

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Oh my gosh.

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25 to 50,000

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people. Everyone

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is

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drinking, eating.

525
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That's generally

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always a single

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use item more

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than often. It's

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a single use

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plastic item.

531
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And that is a

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system where it's

533
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truly

534
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unnecessary. It's

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a closed

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loop system.

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At a restaurant,

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they give you a

539
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reusable when you

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sit down and eat

541
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and have a drink.

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Why can't a venue

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like a hockey

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arena, a football

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stadium, a soccer

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pitch be the

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exact same thing?

548
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Why can't things

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like the Canadian

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national

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exhibition and

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folk festivals

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provide reusables

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and become zero

555
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waste so that

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fans don't have

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this guilt when

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they see an

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overflowing

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garbage can?

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And really we

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kind of turned

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our attention to

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this because

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globally, a lot

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of other

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countries

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do that.

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They have zero

570
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waste initiatives

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for their large

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venues

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and events.

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Even in Canada,

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if you look to,

576
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I'm just going to

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shout out

578
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Montreal, they've

579
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been doing this

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for years.

581
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When you go down

582
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to the Jazz

583
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Festival, the

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Feteb Mokko,

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Oceaga, F1, it's

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all reusable.

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There's a very

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limited amount of

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waste that's

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coming out to it.

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And it is just, I

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think it's kind

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of our role as a

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non-for-profit,

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as a charity to

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connect these

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local reuse

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companies that

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are providing

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solutions for

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venue operators,

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for event

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organizers,

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connect them with

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other event

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organizers and

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venue operators

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across the

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country because

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it shouldn't just

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be a solution

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found in Montreal

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or in a small

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suburb like

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Tévonne.

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It should also be

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in Toronto,

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Vancouver,

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Edmonton,

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Calgary, name it,

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it should

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be there.

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Agreed, agreed. I

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love the work.

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It's great. If

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you haven't

627
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followed Anthony

628
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on LinkedIn, I

629
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highly

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recommend you do.

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I'll put, it's

632
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okay. I'll put

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your link in the

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show notes

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because I think

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it's just, it's

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nice to know that

638
00:08:59,708 --> 00:09:00,500
people are out

639
00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:00,916
there fighting

640
00:09:00,916 --> 00:09:01,500
for that.

641
00:09:01,708 --> 00:09:02,166
But you also

642
00:09:02,166 --> 00:09:02,750
provide a lot of

643
00:09:02,750 --> 00:09:03,458
information on

644
00:09:03,458 --> 00:09:04,083
how easy it is

645
00:09:04,083 --> 00:09:05,291
and the, like the

646
00:09:05,291 --> 00:09:06,916
optimism of event

647
00:09:06,916 --> 00:09:07,708
venues that are

648
00:09:07,708 --> 00:09:08,291
actually doing

649
00:09:08,291 --> 00:09:09,083
reasonable and

650
00:09:09,083 --> 00:09:09,833
events that are

651
00:09:09,833 --> 00:09:10,458
doing reasonable

652
00:09:10,458 --> 00:09:11,000
and sustainable

653
00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:11,583
materials

654
00:09:11,583 --> 00:09:13,250
and events.

655
00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:14,500
So I love that.

656
00:09:14,791 --> 00:09:15,541
Let's get into

657
00:09:15,541 --> 00:09:15,833
the

658
00:09:15,833 --> 00:09:16,458
decision here.

659
00:09:16,500 --> 00:09:17,000
So why don't we

660
00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:17,833
just kind of go

661
00:09:17,833 --> 00:09:19,000
back a couple of

662
00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,458
a few years when

663
00:09:20,458 --> 00:09:21,208
this law came

664
00:09:21,208 --> 00:09:22,125
through, give a

665
00:09:22,125 --> 00:09:22,791
brief description

666
00:09:22,791 --> 00:09:23,375
of everything

667
00:09:23,375 --> 00:09:24,125
that's happened.

668
00:09:24,875 --> 00:09:25,625
And then of

669
00:09:25,625 --> 00:09:26,125
course we can

670
00:09:26,125 --> 00:09:26,833
announce the new,

671
00:09:27,083 --> 00:09:27,750
if anybody

672
00:09:27,750 --> 00:09:28,416
doesn't know from

673
00:09:28,416 --> 00:09:29,083
the title, we can

674
00:09:29,083 --> 00:09:29,625
announce the new

675
00:09:29,625 --> 00:09:30,000
decision.

676
00:09:30,875 --> 00:09:31,541
Yeah, for sure.

677
00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:33,625
So this, oh boy,

678
00:09:33,625 --> 00:09:34,375
this started back

679
00:09:34,375 --> 00:09:36,083
in 2021. So we're

680
00:09:36,083 --> 00:09:36,583
recording

681
00:09:36,583 --> 00:09:37,708
this in 2026.

682
00:09:37,750 --> 00:09:39,333
We want to link

683
00:09:39,333 --> 00:09:40,166
the timeline on

684
00:09:40,166 --> 00:09:42,875
this. The liberal

685
00:09:42,875 --> 00:09:43,166
federal

686
00:09:43,166 --> 00:09:44,416
government under

687
00:09:44,416 --> 00:09:46,458
Trudeau announced

688
00:09:46,458 --> 00:09:47,041
that they were

689
00:09:47,041 --> 00:09:48,125
going to ban

690
00:09:48,125 --> 00:09:49,250
single use

691
00:09:49,250 --> 00:09:49,708
plastics.

692
00:09:49,958 --> 00:09:50,458
The ones that are

693
00:09:50,458 --> 00:09:51,083
most problematic,

694
00:09:51,750 --> 00:09:52,958
they preemptively

695
00:09:52,958 --> 00:09:53,958
named things like

696
00:09:53,958 --> 00:09:54,750
six pack ring

697
00:09:54,750 --> 00:09:55,333
carriers,

698
00:09:55,791 --> 00:09:56,708
styrofoam,

699
00:09:57,291 --> 00:09:57,916
plastic checkout

700
00:09:57,916 --> 00:09:58,750
bags, stir

701
00:09:58,750 --> 00:09:59,125
sticks,

702
00:09:59,458 --> 00:09:59,958
straws, etc.

703
00:10:01,125 --> 00:10:02,125
So they did that

704
00:10:02,125 --> 00:10:03,708
and set this kind

705
00:10:03,708 --> 00:10:04,666
of market signal.

706
00:10:04,916 --> 00:10:06,083
You saw large

707
00:10:06,083 --> 00:10:06,875
businesses start

708
00:10:06,875 --> 00:10:07,500
acting quite

709
00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:08,541
quickly in that.

710
00:10:08,791 --> 00:10:09,708
We saw companies

711
00:10:09,708 --> 00:10:10,666
like Tim Hortons

712
00:10:10,666 --> 00:10:11,416
get rid of their

713
00:10:11,416 --> 00:10:12,291
straws and

714
00:10:12,291 --> 00:10:13,208
reshape the top

715
00:10:13,208 --> 00:10:14,125
of their cups to

716
00:10:14,125 --> 00:10:15,166
not require them.

717
00:10:15,750 --> 00:10:16,583
You saw companies

718
00:10:16,583 --> 00:10:17,583
like Loblaws

719
00:10:17,583 --> 00:10:18,333
start charging

720
00:10:18,333 --> 00:10:19,083
money for single

721
00:10:19,083 --> 00:10:20,000
use plastic bags.

722
00:10:20,208 --> 00:10:20,875
Walmart take them

723
00:10:20,875 --> 00:10:22,041
out entirely.

724
00:10:23,333 --> 00:10:24,208
You saw the

725
00:10:24,208 --> 00:10:24,875
market start

726
00:10:24,875 --> 00:10:26,958
reacting to a

727
00:10:26,958 --> 00:10:28,000
signal from the

728
00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,208
top, essentially.

729
00:10:30,291 --> 00:10:32,333
So to actually

730
00:10:32,333 --> 00:10:33,583
make good on this public

731
00:10:33,583 --> 00:10:34,666
commitment, the

732
00:10:34,666 --> 00:10:34,916
federal

733
00:10:34,916 --> 00:10:35,916
government looked

734
00:10:35,916 --> 00:10:37,750
to what legal

735
00:10:37,750 --> 00:10:38,916
powers do we have

736
00:10:38,916 --> 00:10:39,666
and they found

737
00:10:39,666 --> 00:10:40,291
the Canadian

738
00:10:40,291 --> 00:10:40,750
Environmental

739
00:10:40,750 --> 00:10:41,750
Protection Act.

740
00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:42,458
It's usually

741
00:10:42,458 --> 00:10:43,416
called SEPA,

742
00:10:43,916 --> 00:10:46,500
C-E-P-A, and they

743
00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:48,333
went through that

744
00:10:48,333 --> 00:10:48,791
regulatory

745
00:10:48,791 --> 00:10:49,958
action. It's an

746
00:10:49,958 --> 00:10:50,833
act. It's meant

747
00:10:50,833 --> 00:10:51,916
to protect people

748
00:10:51,916 --> 00:10:52,833
and the

749
00:10:52,833 --> 00:10:53,416
environment.

750
00:10:53,416 --> 00:10:54,125
It is both a

751
00:10:54,125 --> 00:10:55,000
joint Ministry of

752
00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:55,250
Health and

753
00:10:55,250 --> 00:10:55,958
Ministry of

754
00:10:55,958 --> 00:10:56,958
Environment piece

755
00:10:56,958 --> 00:10:57,583
of legislation.

756
00:10:58,666 --> 00:10:59,291
And in it,

757
00:10:59,541 --> 00:11:00,500
there's a list of

758
00:11:00,500 --> 00:11:01,583
toxic substances.

759
00:11:02,166 --> 00:11:03,375
Now, toxic is

760
00:11:03,375 --> 00:11:05,250
like a kind of

761
00:11:05,250 --> 00:11:06,375
fiery word for a

762
00:11:06,375 --> 00:11:07,000
lot of people,

763
00:11:07,541 --> 00:11:10,000
but simply put,

764
00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:10,666
it's toxic

765
00:11:10,666 --> 00:11:11,416
meaning if it

766
00:11:11,416 --> 00:11:12,083
gets into the

767
00:11:12,083 --> 00:11:12,875
environment, it

768
00:11:12,875 --> 00:11:14,041
poses the risk of

769
00:11:14,041 --> 00:11:14,875
causing harm.

770
00:11:15,166 --> 00:11:15,375
Right.

771
00:11:16,041 --> 00:11:17,000
There is a list

772
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,666
under SEPA under

773
00:11:18,666 --> 00:11:19,291
this toxic

774
00:11:19,291 --> 00:11:19,958
substance list

775
00:11:19,958 --> 00:11:20,958
called Schedule

776
00:11:20,958 --> 00:11:22,833
1. And there is a

777
00:11:22,833 --> 00:11:23,750
myriad of

778
00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:24,166
different things

779
00:11:24,166 --> 00:11:24,791
under there.

780
00:11:24,791 --> 00:11:25,416
There's arsenic,

781
00:11:25,416 --> 00:11:26,250
carbon,

782
00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:28,041
microbeads, lead.

783
00:11:28,958 --> 00:11:29,666
And by putting

784
00:11:29,666 --> 00:11:30,625
something under

785
00:11:30,625 --> 00:11:31,875
that Schedule 1,

786
00:11:31,875 --> 00:11:32,500
that toxic

787
00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:33,333
substance list,

788
00:11:33,333 --> 00:11:34,083
it allows the

789
00:11:34,083 --> 00:11:34,666
government to

790
00:11:34,666 --> 00:11:35,250
then start

791
00:11:35,250 --> 00:11:35,666
passing

792
00:11:35,666 --> 00:11:36,833
regulations to

793
00:11:36,833 --> 00:11:37,958
target large

794
00:11:37,958 --> 00:11:38,666
businesses,

795
00:11:39,416 --> 00:11:40,666
products, etc.

796
00:11:40,750 --> 00:11:41,041
And that's why it's called SEPA,

797
00:11:41,041 --> 00:11:41,291
which is a way in

798
00:11:41,291 --> 00:11:42,583
which that toxic

799
00:11:42,583 --> 00:11:43,416
substance is

800
00:11:43,416 --> 00:11:44,083
getting into the

801
00:11:44,083 --> 00:11:44,500
environment.

802
00:11:45,375 --> 00:11:45,708
A really good

803
00:11:45,708 --> 00:11:46,166
example of this

804
00:11:46,166 --> 00:11:47,625
is they said

805
00:11:47,625 --> 00:11:49,000
microbeads are on

806
00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,041
the list and then

807
00:11:50,041 --> 00:11:50,750
they banned

808
00:11:50,750 --> 00:11:51,583
subsequent

809
00:11:51,583 --> 00:11:53,166
regulation, plastic

810
00:11:53,166 --> 00:11:54,291
microbeads from

811
00:11:54,291 --> 00:11:55,666
personal care and

812
00:11:55,666 --> 00:11:56,208
beauty cosmetics.

813
00:11:56,958 --> 00:11:57,916
They added lead

814
00:11:57,916 --> 00:11:58,666
to the list.

815
00:11:58,916 --> 00:11:59,333
That's why you

816
00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:00,458
have unleaded

817
00:12:00,458 --> 00:12:01,208
paint. That's why

818
00:12:01,208 --> 00:12:02,250
you have unleaded

819
00:12:02,250 --> 00:12:03,125
diesel gasoline.

820
00:12:03,416 --> 00:12:03,625
Yeah.

821
00:12:04,333 --> 00:12:05,833
So when they

822
00:12:05,833 --> 00:12:06,875
said, what do we

823
00:12:06,875 --> 00:12:07,625
put on this list

824
00:12:07,625 --> 00:12:08,416
in order to fight

825
00:12:08,416 --> 00:12:08,791
plastic

826
00:12:08,791 --> 00:12:10,750
pollution, they

827
00:12:10,750 --> 00:12:11,458
could have put

828
00:12:11,458 --> 00:12:12,750
one item, a

829
00:12:12,750 --> 00:12:13,750
plastic bottle, a

830
00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:14,458
plastic bag.

831
00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:15,750
But the reality

832
00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:17,541
is plastics are

833
00:12:17,541 --> 00:12:18,166
everywhere.

834
00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:19,000
They're evolving

835
00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:19,916
all of the time.

836
00:12:20,375 --> 00:12:21,000
They vary so

837
00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,625
highly in resin

838
00:12:22,625 --> 00:12:23,708
type, polymer,

839
00:12:24,166 --> 00:12:25,375
color, additives,

840
00:12:25,791 --> 00:12:26,791
function, shape,

841
00:12:27,166 --> 00:12:27,708
purpose,

842
00:12:29,125 --> 00:12:29,333
everything.

843
00:12:29,541 --> 00:12:29,750
Yeah.

844
00:12:30,416 --> 00:12:31,666
Polyethylene and

845
00:12:31,666 --> 00:12:32,583
polypropylene

846
00:12:32,583 --> 00:12:33,708
don't just exist

847
00:12:33,708 --> 00:12:35,041
as a fork. They

848
00:12:35,041 --> 00:12:36,041
exist as part of

849
00:12:36,041 --> 00:12:37,208
a car. They exist

850
00:12:37,208 --> 00:12:38,125
as your screen.

851
00:12:38,375 --> 00:12:39,083
It's like they're

852
00:12:39,083 --> 00:12:39,458
everywhere.

853
00:12:39,958 --> 00:12:40,166
Right.

854
00:12:40,666 --> 00:12:41,000
Like this shirt

855
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:41,500
is probably

856
00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:42,708
polyester. Yes,

857
00:12:42,708 --> 00:12:43,333
it's actually

858
00:12:43,333 --> 00:12:44,000
not. It's cotton.

859
00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:47,375
But most people

860
00:12:47,375 --> 00:12:48,208
have polyester,

861
00:12:48,208 --> 00:12:49,041
polyester blends

862
00:12:49,041 --> 00:12:51,208
and plastic is

863
00:12:51,208 --> 00:12:52,250
everywhere. So

864
00:12:52,250 --> 00:12:53,083
because of the

865
00:12:53,083 --> 00:12:55,166
vast broadness of

866
00:12:55,166 --> 00:12:56,166
plastics and its

867
00:12:56,166 --> 00:12:58,083
high utility, the

868
00:12:58,083 --> 00:12:58,500
fact that it's

869
00:12:58,500 --> 00:12:59,166
always evolving,

870
00:12:59,166 --> 00:12:59,375
they

871
00:12:59,375 --> 00:13:00,166
simply list it.

872
00:13:01,125 --> 00:13:01,250
They added plastic

873
00:13:01,250 --> 00:13:01,916
manufactured

874
00:13:01,916 --> 00:13:03,500
items. And when I

875
00:13:03,500 --> 00:13:04,291
say simply, I

876
00:13:04,291 --> 00:13:04,750
don't mean that

877
00:13:04,750 --> 00:13:05,250
they just picked

878
00:13:05,250 --> 00:13:05,833
it willy nilly.

879
00:13:06,125 --> 00:13:06,500
There is a

880
00:13:06,500 --> 00:13:07,250
massive science

881
00:13:07,250 --> 00:13:07,916
assessment that

882
00:13:07,916 --> 00:13:08,666
came with it.

883
00:13:08,666 --> 00:13:08,875
Okay.

884
00:13:09,708 --> 00:13:10,125
Decades of

885
00:13:10,125 --> 00:13:11,708
research, really

886
00:13:11,708 --> 00:13:12,375
creating a solid

887
00:13:12,375 --> 00:13:13,000
legal foundation

888
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000
as to why they

889
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:14,750
have to list so

890
00:13:14,750 --> 00:13:16,000
broadly. They

891
00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:16,625
added that list

892
00:13:16,625 --> 00:13:17,500
in 2021.

893
00:13:18,625 --> 00:13:18,958
And then

894
00:13:18,958 --> 00:13:19,750
subsequently in

895
00:13:19,750 --> 00:13:21,250
2022, that is

896
00:13:21,250 --> 00:13:21,750
when the first

897
00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:23,458
regulation came

898
00:13:23,458 --> 00:13:24,083
out of that. That

899
00:13:24,083 --> 00:13:24,666
was the single

900
00:13:24,666 --> 00:13:25,666
use plastic ban.

901
00:13:25,666 --> 00:13:26,041
The official

902
00:13:26,041 --> 00:13:26,958
title is the

903
00:13:26,958 --> 00:13:28,250
prohibition on

904
00:13:28,250 --> 00:13:28,708
single use

905
00:13:28,708 --> 00:13:29,541
plastic products.

906
00:13:30,125 --> 00:13:30,708
And they listed

907
00:13:30,708 --> 00:13:31,500
six products

908
00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:33,166
under there. So

909
00:13:33,166 --> 00:13:34,458
that was us in

910
00:13:34,458 --> 00:13:35,916
2022 and almost

911
00:13:35,916 --> 00:13:37,458
immediately you

912
00:13:37,458 --> 00:13:38,958
kind of got the

913
00:13:38,958 --> 00:13:39,958
guards that from

914
00:13:39,958 --> 00:13:41,208
the I'll call

915
00:13:41,208 --> 00:13:42,208
them big plastic

916
00:13:42,208 --> 00:13:42,875
with the largest

917
00:13:42,875 --> 00:13:43,791
plastic companies

918
00:13:43,791 --> 00:13:44,583
and also the

919
00:13:44,583 --> 00:13:45,250
largest oil and

920
00:13:45,250 --> 00:13:45,708
gas and

921
00:13:45,708 --> 00:13:46,583
petrochemical

922
00:13:46,583 --> 00:13:47,083
companies.

923
00:13:47,125 --> 00:13:47,416
Right.

924
00:14:01,791 --> 00:14:02,916
And then they

925
00:14:02,916 --> 00:14:04,041
were joined by

926
00:14:04,041 --> 00:14:04,833
the provinces of

927
00:14:04,833 --> 00:14:05,375
Alberta and

928
00:14:05,375 --> 00:14:06,958
Saskatchewan, as

929
00:14:06,958 --> 00:14:07,875
well as the

930
00:14:07,875 --> 00:14:08,291
American

931
00:14:08,291 --> 00:14:08,958
petrochemical

932
00:14:08,958 --> 00:14:10,125
companies, the American chemistry council.

933
00:14:10,125 --> 00:14:13,666
A lot of

934
00:14:13,666 --> 00:14:14,625
international

935
00:14:14,625 --> 00:14:15,708
interveners and

936
00:14:15,708 --> 00:14:16,458
brought forward

937
00:14:16,458 --> 00:14:17,083
two legal

938
00:14:17,083 --> 00:14:17,875
challenges to the

939
00:14:17,875 --> 00:14:18,500
government in

940
00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:19,500
2022. They

941
00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:20,250
brought forward a

942
00:14:20,250 --> 00:14:20,916
challenge on that

943
00:14:20,916 --> 00:14:21,791
listing itself,

944
00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,291
the very

945
00:14:22,291 --> 00:14:23,500
foundation that

946
00:14:23,500 --> 00:14:23,750
the government

947
00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:25,083
could act to

948
00:14:25,083 --> 00:14:25,666
fight plastic

949
00:14:25,666 --> 00:14:26,375
pollution. And

950
00:14:26,375 --> 00:14:26,875
then they also

951
00:14:26,875 --> 00:14:27,791
challenged the

952
00:14:27,791 --> 00:14:28,750
ban directly.

953
00:14:29,166 --> 00:14:31,250
Now, the court

954
00:14:31,250 --> 00:14:33,083
said, you can't

955
00:14:33,083 --> 00:14:33,500
do everything at

956
00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:34,458
once, pick one or

957
00:14:34,458 --> 00:14:35,208
the other. The

958
00:14:35,208 --> 00:14:35,583
court's

959
00:14:35,583 --> 00:14:35,958
essentially

960
00:14:35,958 --> 00:14:36,791
triage and said,

961
00:14:37,083 --> 00:14:37,708
let's start with

962
00:14:37,708 --> 00:14:38,041
your legal

963
00:14:38,041 --> 00:14:38,583
challenge against

964
00:14:38,583 --> 00:14:39,208
the foundation,

965
00:14:39,958 --> 00:14:40,708
that listing of

966
00:14:40,708 --> 00:14:41,583
plastic plastics

967
00:14:41,583 --> 00:14:42,250
or plastics

968
00:14:42,250 --> 00:14:43,166
plastics under

969
00:14:43,166 --> 00:14:44,166
the toxic

970
00:14:44,166 --> 00:14:44,958
substance list

971
00:14:44,958 --> 00:14:45,750
under SIPA.

972
00:14:46,750 --> 00:14:47,291
And then this

973
00:14:47,291 --> 00:14:48,791
started what is

974
00:14:48,791 --> 00:14:49,958
now known as our

975
00:14:49,958 --> 00:14:51,375
three plus

976
00:14:51,375 --> 00:14:52,291
year. Yeah.

977
00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:55,000
The court said we

978
00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:55,791
will hear your

979
00:14:55,791 --> 00:14:57,500
trial. You can

980
00:14:57,500 --> 00:14:58,208
you can take this

981
00:14:58,208 --> 00:14:58,791
to the federal

982
00:14:58,791 --> 00:15:00,583
court in downtown

983
00:15:00,583 --> 00:15:01,500
Toronto. We can

984
00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:03,208
hear from the

985
00:15:03,208 --> 00:15:03,458
federal

986
00:15:03,458 --> 00:15:04,083
government. We

987
00:15:04,083 --> 00:15:04,625
can hear from the

988
00:15:04,625 --> 00:15:06,458
plastic industry

989
00:15:06,458 --> 00:15:07,375
about why you

990
00:15:07,375 --> 00:15:08,041
think this is

991
00:15:08,041 --> 00:15:09,250
sound or if this

992
00:15:09,250 --> 00:15:09,625
was an

993
00:15:09,625 --> 00:15:10,708
overreach, etc.

994
00:15:11,166 --> 00:15:12,208
And while that

995
00:15:12,208 --> 00:15:12,916
legal battle was

996
00:15:12,916 --> 00:15:14,625
happening, all

997
00:15:14,625 --> 00:15:15,375
the regulations,

998
00:15:15,583 --> 00:15:16,166
all the laws,

999
00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:16,833
they'll stay in

1000
00:15:16,833 --> 00:15:18,000
place. Okay. And

1001
00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,000
you saw

1002
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,083
industries shift.

1003
00:15:20,333 --> 00:15:21,375
Yep. We saw

1004
00:15:21,375 --> 00:15:22,291
checkup bags get

1005
00:15:22,291 --> 00:15:23,083
out of stores. We

1006
00:15:23,083 --> 00:15:23,916
saw six pack ring

1007
00:15:23,916 --> 00:15:24,500
carriers come

1008
00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:25,541
off. We saw

1009
00:15:25,541 --> 00:15:26,375
single use

1010
00:15:26,375 --> 00:15:26,750
plastic

1011
00:15:26,750 --> 00:15:27,875
utensils gone.

1012
00:15:29,125 --> 00:15:29,416
We haven't seen a

1013
00:15:29,416 --> 00:15:30,541
plastic clamshell

1014
00:15:30,541 --> 00:15:31,458
in a very long

1015
00:15:31,458 --> 00:15:32,208
time, nor have

1016
00:15:32,208 --> 00:15:32,875
you seen a

1017
00:15:32,875 --> 00:15:34,833
plastic styrofoam

1018
00:15:34,833 --> 00:15:35,833
clamshell in a

1019
00:15:35,833 --> 00:15:36,416
long time and

1020
00:15:36,416 --> 00:15:36,916
they haven't seen

1021
00:15:36,916 --> 00:15:37,708
a styrofoam

1022
00:15:37,708 --> 00:15:38,666
coffee cup. Yeah,

1023
00:15:38,666 --> 00:15:40,291
time industry

1024
00:15:40,291 --> 00:15:41,375
shifted, they

1025
00:15:41,375 --> 00:15:42,125
reacted, they

1026
00:15:42,125 --> 00:15:43,208
followed the law,

1027
00:15:43,208 --> 00:15:43,416
they were

1028
00:15:43,416 --> 00:15:45,000
compliant and

1029
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:45,833
hey, it worked.

1030
00:15:47,125 --> 00:15:48,083
You do not see

1031
00:15:48,083 --> 00:15:49,791
styrofoam cups on

1032
00:15:49,791 --> 00:15:50,333
the side of the

1033
00:15:50,333 --> 00:15:51,000
road or at the

1034
00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:51,458
beach or

1035
00:15:51,458 --> 00:15:52,333
floating. You do

1036
00:15:52,333 --> 00:15:53,541
not see plastic

1037
00:15:53,541 --> 00:15:54,208
checkout bags

1038
00:15:54,208 --> 00:15:55,333
stuck up in trees

1039
00:15:55,333 --> 00:15:56,583
that used to be

1040
00:15:56,583 --> 00:15:57,500
so frustrating.

1041
00:15:58,125 --> 00:16:00,333
You do still see

1042
00:16:00,333 --> 00:16:01,291
a lot of plastic.

1043
00:16:01,583 --> 00:16:02,875
Yes. Yeah, but

1044
00:16:02,875 --> 00:16:03,750
the things that

1045
00:16:03,750 --> 00:16:04,791
they banned don't

1046
00:16:04,791 --> 00:16:05,416
show up in the

1047
00:16:05,416 --> 00:16:05,833
environment

1048
00:16:05,833 --> 00:16:06,833
nearly as often

1049
00:16:06,833 --> 00:16:07,791
as they used to.

1050
00:16:07,791 --> 00:16:09,000
Right. So we saw

1051
00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:09,416
that it was

1052
00:16:09,416 --> 00:16:10,375
working, which

1053
00:16:10,375 --> 00:16:11,375
was really great

1054
00:16:11,375 --> 00:16:12,541
to see going into

1055
00:16:12,541 --> 00:16:13,208
that trial

1056
00:16:13,208 --> 00:16:14,916
because it works.

1057
00:16:16,125 --> 00:16:16,875
And groups like

1058
00:16:16,875 --> 00:16:17,708
Oceania and Environmental

1059
00:16:17,708 --> 00:16:18,541
Defense, we

1060
00:16:18,541 --> 00:16:19,375
actually joined

1061
00:16:19,375 --> 00:16:20,208
the trial. We

1062
00:16:20,208 --> 00:16:20,833
supported the

1063
00:16:20,833 --> 00:16:21,083
federal

1064
00:16:21,083 --> 00:16:22,375
government. They

1065
00:16:22,375 --> 00:16:24,208
heard that.

1066
00:16:24,208 --> 00:16:26,791
If I can, I want

1067
00:16:26,791 --> 00:16:28,000
to say March.

1068
00:16:28,916 --> 00:16:30,458
Yeah. 2023 I

1069
00:16:30,458 --> 00:16:30,958
think that's when

1070
00:16:30,958 --> 00:16:31,666
we went to court

1071
00:16:31,666 --> 00:16:32,666
for the first

1072
00:16:32,666 --> 00:16:33,958
time, three day

1073
00:16:33,958 --> 00:16:34,916
trial, really,

1074
00:16:34,916 --> 00:16:35,083
really

1075
00:16:35,083 --> 00:16:35,916
interesting stuff

1076
00:16:35,916 --> 00:16:37,041
in the

1077
00:16:37,041 --> 00:16:37,666
federal court.

1078
00:16:38,166 --> 00:16:39,666
And then once all

1079
00:16:39,666 --> 00:16:40,125
the arguments

1080
00:16:40,125 --> 00:16:41,041
were made there,

1081
00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:41,791
mainly there were

1082
00:16:41,791 --> 00:16:42,875
questions about

1083
00:16:42,875 --> 00:16:44,291
jurisdictional

1084
00:16:44,291 --> 00:16:45,041
overreach,

1085
00:16:45,583 --> 00:16:46,208
plastic waste

1086
00:16:46,208 --> 00:16:47,458
being a

1087
00:16:47,458 --> 00:16:47,875
provincial

1088
00:16:47,875 --> 00:16:49,166
problem, not a

1089
00:16:49,166 --> 00:16:50,166
national problem.

1090
00:16:51,791 --> 00:16:52,250
Questions about

1091
00:16:52,250 --> 00:16:53,375
constitutionality.

1092
00:16:53,708 --> 00:16:54,458
You listed far

1093
00:16:54,458 --> 00:16:55,583
too broadly. It's

1094
00:16:55,583 --> 00:16:56,000
giving the

1095
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:56,500
government way

1096
00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:57,458
too much power.

1097
00:16:57,916 --> 00:16:58,166
Right. Plastics

1098
00:16:58,166 --> 00:16:58,958
are a massive

1099
00:16:58,958 --> 00:16:59,833
economy. Sounds

1100
00:16:59,833 --> 00:17:00,458
like an Alberta

1101
00:17:00,458 --> 00:17:01,500
thing. Like an

1102
00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:02,208
Alberta argument.

1103
00:17:03,125 --> 00:17:04,250
It's the idea

1104
00:17:04,250 --> 00:17:05,000
that you also

1105
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:05,625
have to remember

1106
00:17:05,625 --> 00:17:06,833
that these laws

1107
00:17:06,833 --> 00:17:07,791
are put in place,

1108
00:17:08,125 --> 00:17:09,000
not for one

1109
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:09,583
government in

1110
00:17:09,583 --> 00:17:10,625
particular. It's

1111
00:17:10,625 --> 00:17:11,208
the government's

1112
00:17:11,208 --> 00:17:11,833
could change over

1113
00:17:11,833 --> 00:17:13,333
and it's it's a

1114
00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:14,458
valid argument to

1115
00:17:14,458 --> 00:17:15,750
say, are we

1116
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:16,291
giving a

1117
00:17:16,291 --> 00:17:17,208
government too

1118
00:17:17,208 --> 00:17:18,750
much power on an

1119
00:17:18,750 --> 00:17:19,666
industry that is

1120
00:17:19,666 --> 00:17:21,500
so money.

1121
00:17:21,916 --> 00:17:22,958
It provides so

1122
00:17:22,958 --> 00:17:24,250
much drive to the

1123
00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:24,791
economy,

1124
00:17:24,791 --> 00:17:25,250
etc, etc.

1125
00:17:27,166 --> 00:17:27,583
Those were

1126
00:17:27,583 --> 00:17:28,375
hurting court. It

1127
00:17:28,375 --> 00:17:30,291
took about March

1128
00:17:30,291 --> 00:17:31,625
till November.

1129
00:17:32,333 --> 00:17:33,166
The court took

1130
00:17:33,166 --> 00:17:33,791
that back,

1131
00:17:33,791 --> 00:17:34,666
thought about it,

1132
00:17:34,666 --> 00:17:35,208
came up with a

1133
00:17:35,208 --> 00:17:37,583
decision and they

1134
00:17:37,583 --> 00:17:38,250
sided with the

1135
00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:38,625
plastics

1136
00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:39,375
industry. They

1137
00:17:39,375 --> 00:17:39,750
said the

1138
00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:40,791
government did an

1139
00:17:40,791 --> 00:17:41,666
overreach. They

1140
00:17:41,666 --> 00:17:42,625
listed way too

1141
00:17:42,625 --> 00:17:43,166
broadly.

1142
00:17:43,625 --> 00:17:44,500
This is not their

1143
00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:45,708
battle to pick.

1144
00:17:45,708 --> 00:17:46,041
This should have

1145
00:17:46,041 --> 00:17:46,541
been something

1146
00:17:46,541 --> 00:17:47,500
that businesses

1147
00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:48,125
in the province

1148
00:17:48,125 --> 00:17:48,833
took over.

1149
00:17:49,916 --> 00:17:50,375
Obviously, that

1150
00:17:50,375 --> 00:17:50,625
was very

1151
00:17:50,625 --> 00:17:51,333
disappointing.

1152
00:17:51,333 --> 00:17:52,083
Yeah, I remember

1153
00:17:52,083 --> 00:17:52,833
having you on for

1154
00:17:52,833 --> 00:17:54,125
that. Yeah, yeah.

1155
00:17:55,166 --> 00:17:56,833
It was a not a

1156
00:17:56,833 --> 00:17:59,125
not a blue sky a

1157
00:17:59,125 --> 00:18:00,583
day for the environmental

1158
00:18:00,583 --> 00:18:02,041
sector for sure.

1159
00:18:02,041 --> 00:18:02,875
Also, I have to

1160
00:18:02,875 --> 00:18:03,958
admit, like it's

1161
00:18:03,958 --> 00:18:04,541
probably not

1162
00:18:04,541 --> 00:18:04,916
great for

1163
00:18:04,916 --> 00:18:05,666
businesses that

1164
00:18:05,666 --> 00:18:06,208
made that huge

1165
00:18:06,208 --> 00:18:06,833
investment in

1166
00:18:06,833 --> 00:18:07,416
transitioning

1167
00:18:07,416 --> 00:18:08,208
away from single

1168
00:18:08,208 --> 00:18:08,875
use plastic.

1169
00:18:08,875 --> 00:18:09,416
Yeah, that is a

1170
00:18:09,416 --> 00:18:11,166
huge slap in the

1171
00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:11,958
face to

1172
00:18:11,958 --> 00:18:13,250
regulatory

1173
00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:14,708
certainty clarity

1174
00:18:14,708 --> 00:18:15,625
on where they

1175
00:18:15,625 --> 00:18:15,916
should be

1176
00:18:15,916 --> 00:18:16,708
investing and

1177
00:18:16,708 --> 00:18:17,041
putting their

1178
00:18:17,041 --> 00:18:17,458
time and

1179
00:18:17,458 --> 00:18:18,125
money into.

1180
00:18:18,166 --> 00:18:20,916
So the government

1181
00:18:20,916 --> 00:18:21,791
of Canada at that

1182
00:18:21,791 --> 00:18:23,375
time did not

1183
00:18:23,375 --> 00:18:24,125
agree with the

1184
00:18:24,125 --> 00:18:24,875
federal court.

1185
00:18:25,541 --> 00:18:26,500
Neither did

1186
00:18:26,500 --> 00:18:27,833
Oceana or the

1187
00:18:27,833 --> 00:18:28,541
other intervening

1188
00:18:28,541 --> 00:18:29,041
environmental

1189
00:18:29,041 --> 00:18:30,500
groups and we

1190
00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:31,125
took that to the

1191
00:18:31,125 --> 00:18:31,708
federal court of

1192
00:18:31,708 --> 00:18:32,625
appeal. The

1193
00:18:32,625 --> 00:18:33,208
federal court of

1194
00:18:33,208 --> 00:18:34,333
appeal said yes,

1195
00:18:34,333 --> 00:18:35,125
this is a very

1196
00:18:35,125 --> 00:18:36,000
important issue.

1197
00:18:36,208 --> 00:18:36,541
We will

1198
00:18:36,541 --> 00:18:37,666
hear the case.

1199
00:19:03,666 --> 00:19:06,125
But the government of Canada at that time did not agree with the federal court of appeal.

1200
00:19:06,166 --> 00:19:06,291
So the government of Canada at that

1201
00:19:06,291 --> 00:19:07,916
time came to the

1202
00:19:07,916 --> 00:19:09,791
environmental

1203
00:19:09,791 --> 00:19:10,708
side of the

1204
00:19:10,708 --> 00:19:11,416
argument. The

1205
00:19:11,416 --> 00:19:12,083
groups that were

1206
00:19:12,083 --> 00:19:12,750
supporting the

1207
00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:13,000
federal

1208
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:13,708
government that

1209
00:19:13,708 --> 00:19:14,083
grew

1210
00:19:14,083 --> 00:19:14,750
significantly.

1211
00:19:15,458 --> 00:19:16,875
Right. So now

1212
00:19:16,875 --> 00:19:17,583
we're jumping

1213
00:19:17,583 --> 00:19:19,375
into 2024. We

1214
00:19:19,375 --> 00:19:20,750
have support for

1215
00:19:20,750 --> 00:19:21,041
the federal

1216
00:19:21,041 --> 00:19:21,708
government coming

1217
00:19:21,708 --> 00:19:22,875
from the province

1218
00:19:22,875 --> 00:19:23,375
of British

1219
00:19:23,375 --> 00:19:24,791
Columbia, which

1220
00:19:24,791 --> 00:19:25,416
is really

1221
00:19:25,416 --> 00:19:26,208
important for the

1222
00:19:26,208 --> 00:19:26,500
counter

1223
00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:27,958
argument from

1224
00:19:30,125 --> 00:19:30,333
the federal government. And

1225
00:19:30,333 --> 00:19:30,541
as British

1226
00:19:30,541 --> 00:19:31,333
Columbia is out

1227
00:19:31,333 --> 00:19:33,166
here saying, No,

1228
00:19:33,166 --> 00:19:34,208
this is a huge

1229
00:19:34,208 --> 00:19:35,375
problem. It is

1230
00:19:35,375 --> 00:19:36,500
overwhelming

1231
00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:37,166
provincial

1232
00:19:37,166 --> 00:19:38,208
systems. We need

1233
00:19:38,208 --> 00:19:40,333
help from other

1234
00:19:40,333 --> 00:19:40,916
levels of

1235
00:19:40,916 --> 00:19:41,583
government in

1236
00:19:41,583 --> 00:19:43,416
this. This is a

1237
00:19:43,416 --> 00:19:44,250
huge problem and

1238
00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:45,250
the data is

1239
00:19:45,250 --> 00:19:46,250
clear. We're not

1240
00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:46,958
handling this

1241
00:19:46,958 --> 00:19:47,375
correctly.

1242
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:48,458
There's too many

1243
00:19:48,458 --> 00:19:48,916
things on the

1244
00:19:48,916 --> 00:19:49,916
market that our

1245
00:19:49,916 --> 00:19:50,333
provincial

1246
00:19:50,333 --> 00:19:50,708
jurisdiction

1247
00:19:50,708 --> 00:19:52,000
can't stop from

1248
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:52,666
getting on there.

1249
00:19:52,666 --> 00:19:53,041
We need how

1250
00:19:53,041 --> 00:19:53,791
interesting and

1251
00:19:53,791 --> 00:19:54,000
we need

1252
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,000
cooperation with

1253
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:55,375
the federal

1254
00:19:55,375 --> 00:19:55,833
government.

1255
00:19:57,125 --> 00:19:57,625
So when it looks

1256
00:19:57,625 --> 00:19:59,083
to the other

1257
00:19:59,083 --> 00:19:59,708
intervening

1258
00:19:59,708 --> 00:20:00,708
environmental

1259
00:20:00,708 --> 00:20:01,583
groups, you had

1260
00:20:01,583 --> 00:20:02,291
Davis Azuki

1261
00:20:02,291 --> 00:20:03,125
Foundation join

1262
00:20:03,125 --> 00:20:03,500
you had

1263
00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:04,583
Greenpeace join

1264
00:20:04,583 --> 00:20:05,500
you had the

1265
00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:05,833
Canadian

1266
00:20:05,833 --> 00:20:06,750
Association of

1267
00:20:06,750 --> 00:20:07,416
Physicians for

1268
00:20:07,416 --> 00:20:08,000
the Environment,

1269
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,166
which was really

1270
00:20:09,166 --> 00:20:10,041
important because

1271
00:20:10,041 --> 00:20:11,375
in that time

1272
00:20:11,375 --> 00:20:11,958
since the first

1273
00:20:11,958 --> 00:20:13,666
trial, lots of

1274
00:20:13,666 --> 00:20:14,083
new research

1275
00:20:14,083 --> 00:20:14,708
coming out about

1276
00:20:14,708 --> 00:20:15,333
the implications

1277
00:20:15,333 --> 00:20:17,125
of micro plastics

1278
00:20:17,125 --> 00:20:17,708
and plastic

1279
00:20:17,708 --> 00:20:18,291
pollution on

1280
00:20:18,291 --> 00:20:19,083
human health as

1281
00:20:19,083 --> 00:20:19,791
well as the

1282
00:20:19,791 --> 00:20:20,666
chemicals within

1283
00:20:20,666 --> 00:20:21,208
plastics.

1284
00:20:22,125 --> 00:20:22,708
And so that was really important

1285
00:20:22,708 --> 00:20:23,750
there. And you

1286
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:24,458
had additional

1287
00:20:24,458 --> 00:20:25,000
animal rights

1288
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,791
groups joined to

1289
00:20:26,791 --> 00:20:27,958
really underscore

1290
00:20:27,958 --> 00:20:30,458
encounter one of

1291
00:20:30,458 --> 00:20:30,916
the strong

1292
00:20:30,916 --> 00:20:31,500
arguments that

1293
00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:32,291
was coming from

1294
00:20:32,291 --> 00:20:32,791
the plastics

1295
00:20:32,791 --> 00:20:33,916
industry. They

1296
00:20:33,916 --> 00:20:34,541
said, you

1297
00:20:34,541 --> 00:20:35,375
actually need to

1298
00:20:35,375 --> 00:20:36,708
test how much

1299
00:20:36,708 --> 00:20:38,041
plastic animals

1300
00:20:38,041 --> 00:20:39,333
can handle before

1301
00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:39,791
they start

1302
00:20:39,791 --> 00:20:40,333
suffering.

1303
00:20:41,125 --> 00:20:43,500
And animal rights

1304
00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:44,291
groups, animal

1305
00:20:44,291 --> 00:20:44,875
justice in

1306
00:20:44,875 --> 00:20:45,833
particular, it's

1307
00:20:45,833 --> 00:20:46,833
very clear that

1308
00:20:46,833 --> 00:20:47,666
you're then

1309
00:20:47,666 --> 00:20:51,000
asking to see how

1310
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000
many forks can

1311
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,125
this sea otter

1312
00:20:53,125 --> 00:20:54,125
swallow before it

1313
00:20:54,125 --> 00:20:54,791
starts to feel

1314
00:20:54,791 --> 00:20:55,833
pain. I don't

1315
00:20:55,833 --> 00:20:56,375
know if that's an

1316
00:20:56,375 --> 00:20:57,541
ethical. That's

1317
00:20:57,541 --> 00:20:58,375
awful. That's

1318
00:20:58,375 --> 00:20:59,833
torture for sea

1319
00:20:59,833 --> 00:21:00,916
otters. Yeah.

1320
00:21:01,166 --> 00:21:02,041
It's a valid

1321
00:21:02,041 --> 00:21:02,875
counter argument.

1322
00:21:03,291 --> 00:21:04,375
Yeah. So we had

1323
00:21:04,375 --> 00:21:04,916
this good

1324
00:21:04,916 --> 00:21:05,583
coalition come

1325
00:21:05,583 --> 00:21:06,708
over and

1326
00:21:06,708 --> 00:21:07,250
supported the

1327
00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:07,458
federal

1328
00:21:07,458 --> 00:21:08,250
government that

1329
00:21:08,250 --> 00:21:09,208
was heard back in

1330
00:21:09,208 --> 00:21:10,166
June of 2024.

1331
00:21:12,166 --> 00:21:13,000
And since June,

1332
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,541
since June of

1333
00:21:14,541 --> 00:21:16,000
2024, they were

1334
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:16,708
holding up for a

1335
00:21:16,708 --> 00:21:17,541
decision and that

1336
00:21:17,541 --> 00:21:19,333
finally came to

1337
00:21:19,333 --> 00:21:19,916
Fridays ago, just

1338
00:21:19,916 --> 00:21:21,000
the end of

1339
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,541
January. So we

1340
00:21:22,541 --> 00:21:24,375
had a unanimous

1341
00:21:24,375 --> 00:21:25,833
decision. So the

1342
00:21:25,833 --> 00:21:26,041
difference

1343
00:21:26,041 --> 00:21:26,583
between the

1344
00:21:26,583 --> 00:21:27,250
federal court and

1345
00:21:27,250 --> 00:21:27,750
the federal court

1346
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:29,000
of appeal is that

1347
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:29,500
the federal court

1348
00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:30,041
is a singular

1349
00:21:30,041 --> 00:21:30,916
judge making a

1350
00:21:30,916 --> 00:21:31,125
decision.

1351
00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:32,250
The federal court

1352
00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:33,000
of appeal is a

1353
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,833
panel of three

1354
00:21:33,833 --> 00:21:36,041
judges. Yeah. And

1355
00:21:36,041 --> 00:21:36,500
those three

1356
00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:38,833
judges, they

1357
00:21:38,833 --> 00:21:39,375
definitely took

1358
00:21:39,375 --> 00:21:40,208
their time. They

1359
00:21:40,208 --> 00:21:40,500
were very

1360
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,541
methodical going

1361
00:21:41,541 --> 00:21:42,041
through the

1362
00:21:42,041 --> 00:21:42,791
arguments going

1363
00:21:42,791 --> 00:21:43,291
through the

1364
00:21:43,291 --> 00:21:44,500
questions raised

1365
00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:45,458
in court going

1366
00:21:45,458 --> 00:21:45,875
through the

1367
00:21:45,875 --> 00:21:46,333
constitutional

1368
00:21:46,333 --> 00:21:47,208
power of the

1369
00:21:47,208 --> 00:21:47,833
overreach.

1370
00:21:49,125 --> 00:21:49,416
Did this a

1371
00:21:49,416 --> 00:21:50,250
national crisis?

1372
00:21:50,625 --> 00:21:51,208
Did they act

1373
00:21:51,208 --> 00:21:53,208
correctly in

1374
00:21:53,208 --> 00:21:54,416
listing plastics

1375
00:21:54,416 --> 00:21:55,125
and is this their

1376
00:21:55,125 --> 00:21:55,916
fight to fight

1377
00:21:55,916 --> 00:21:56,458
for the federal

1378
00:21:56,458 --> 00:21:58,708
government? And

1379
00:21:58,708 --> 00:22:00,041
the decision was,

1380
00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:02,541
I mean, I am not

1381
00:22:02,541 --> 00:22:03,666
a lawyer. I

1382
00:22:03,666 --> 00:22:04,416
haven't read that

1383
00:22:04,416 --> 00:22:05,333
many legal

1384
00:22:05,333 --> 00:22:06,000
decisions from

1385
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,500
the federal court

1386
00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:06,833
of deal.

1387
00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:08,458
This was a very,

1388
00:22:08,458 --> 00:22:10,708
very well

1389
00:22:10,708 --> 00:22:12,375
written. Anyone

1390
00:22:12,375 --> 00:22:13,875
to give it a good

1391
00:22:13,875 --> 00:22:15,791
read. It's very

1392
00:22:15,791 --> 00:22:16,833
pointed. It goes

1393
00:22:16,833 --> 00:22:17,458
through each

1394
00:22:17,458 --> 00:22:18,583
argument and it

1395
00:22:18,583 --> 00:22:20,208
really tries to

1396
00:22:20,208 --> 00:22:22,875
try. I read it as

1397
00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:23,791
it's driving the

1398
00:22:23,791 --> 00:22:24,916
message home that

1399
00:22:24,916 --> 00:22:26,916
plastic pollution

1400
00:22:26,916 --> 00:22:27,958
is a national

1401
00:22:27,958 --> 00:22:29,000
crisis. Yeah.

1402
00:22:29,125 --> 00:22:29,708
And we should not

1403
00:22:29,708 --> 00:22:30,250
have to wait

1404
00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:30,750
until the

1405
00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:31,750
environment is so

1406
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:33,041
far degraded that

1407
00:22:33,041 --> 00:22:33,500
it can't be

1408
00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:34,166
repaired in order

1409
00:22:34,166 --> 00:22:34,750
to act

1410
00:22:34,750 --> 00:22:35,875
proactively to

1411
00:22:35,875 --> 00:22:36,833
try to protect

1412
00:22:36,833 --> 00:22:38,083
it. Makes sense.

1413
00:22:38,291 --> 00:22:39,708
I made a lot of

1414
00:22:39,708 --> 00:22:40,708
arguments that if

1415
00:22:40,708 --> 00:22:42,083
we were to test

1416
00:22:42,083 --> 00:22:43,041
how much

1417
00:22:43,041 --> 00:22:43,583
suffering an

1418
00:22:43,583 --> 00:22:44,458
animal can do, it

1419
00:22:44,458 --> 00:22:44,916
is both

1420
00:22:44,916 --> 00:22:46,041
reprehensible and

1421
00:22:46,041 --> 00:22:47,000
unethical and no

1422
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:47,541
government should

1423
00:22:47,541 --> 00:22:48,083
ever do

1424
00:22:48,083 --> 00:22:48,666
that. Right.

1425
00:22:49,125 --> 00:22:49,833
And I think that's a very, very strong

1426
00:22:49,833 --> 00:22:51,291
argument. And

1427
00:22:51,291 --> 00:22:52,375
they brought up

1428
00:22:52,375 --> 00:22:54,250
the, I think,

1429
00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:55,083
very real

1430
00:22:55,083 --> 00:22:55,958
understanding and

1431
00:22:55,958 --> 00:22:56,375
practical

1432
00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:57,083
understanding of

1433
00:22:57,083 --> 00:22:57,625
the plastics

1434
00:22:57,625 --> 00:22:58,458
industry is that

1435
00:22:58,458 --> 00:22:59,708
it is rapidly

1436
00:22:59,708 --> 00:23:00,541
evolving. It's

1437
00:23:00,541 --> 00:23:01,416
rapidly changing

1438
00:23:01,416 --> 00:23:02,125
and a lot of the

1439
00:23:02,125 --> 00:23:02,875
pollution and

1440
00:23:02,875 --> 00:23:03,375
damages that

1441
00:23:03,375 --> 00:23:04,125
we're seeing now,

1442
00:23:04,791 --> 00:23:05,625
micro plastics,

1443
00:23:05,958 --> 00:23:06,500
things that you

1444
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:07,333
can't identify

1445
00:23:07,333 --> 00:23:07,708
where it

1446
00:23:07,708 --> 00:23:08,375
came from.

1447
00:23:09,125 --> 00:23:09,541
And this argument

1448
00:23:09,541 --> 00:23:10,416
that not all

1449
00:23:10,416 --> 00:23:11,333
plastics have the

1450
00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:12,000
potential to

1451
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,375
cause harm. It's

1452
00:23:13,375 --> 00:23:14,083
really hard to

1453
00:23:14,083 --> 00:23:14,625
argue because

1454
00:23:14,625 --> 00:23:15,708
there's plastic

1455
00:23:15,708 --> 00:23:16,625
in our water or

1456
00:23:16,625 --> 00:23:17,833
air or blood. It

1457
00:23:17,833 --> 00:23:19,375
is the stomachs

1458
00:23:19,375 --> 00:23:20,166
of whales. It's

1459
00:23:20,166 --> 00:23:20,708
around the necks

1460
00:23:20,708 --> 00:23:20,875
of

1461
00:23:20,875 --> 00:23:22,000
seabirds. Yeah.

1462
00:23:22,333 --> 00:23:23,000
Long as you were

1463
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,458
trying to try to

1464
00:23:24,458 --> 00:23:24,958
make the argument

1465
00:23:24,958 --> 00:23:27,125
that like a car's

1466
00:23:27,125 --> 00:23:27,916
bumper doesn't

1467
00:23:27,916 --> 00:23:28,666
cause pollution,

1468
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:29,791
you can easily

1469
00:23:29,791 --> 00:23:30,791
find a car at the

1470
00:23:30,791 --> 00:23:31,416
bottom of a lake

1471
00:23:31,416 --> 00:23:32,166
or a river.

1472
00:23:32,166 --> 00:23:33,208
Right. That's it.

1473
00:23:33,541 --> 00:23:34,333
Plastic has

1474
00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:35,333
invaded. Yeah.

1475
00:23:36,166 --> 00:23:42,958
And that's where

1476
00:23:42,958 --> 00:23:43,250
we're at right

1477
00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:44,041
now. We have a

1478
00:23:44,041 --> 00:23:45,041
newly elected

1479
00:23:45,041 --> 00:23:46,708
liberal

1480
00:23:46,708 --> 00:23:48,416
government led by

1481
00:23:48,416 --> 00:23:49,125
Mark Carney. We

1482
00:23:49,125 --> 00:23:49,625
have a new

1483
00:23:49,625 --> 00:23:50,000
environment

1484
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,166
minister Julie De

1485
00:23:51,166 --> 00:23:53,375
Bruisin. And we

1486
00:23:53,375 --> 00:23:54,500
have a renewed

1487
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:55,208
and affirmed

1488
00:23:55,208 --> 00:23:55,958
power for the

1489
00:23:55,958 --> 00:23:56,166
federal

1490
00:23:56,166 --> 00:23:57,166
government to act

1491
00:23:57,166 --> 00:23:57,791
on fighting

1492
00:23:57,791 --> 00:23:58,250
plastic

1493
00:23:58,250 --> 00:23:59,250
pollution. There

1494
00:23:59,250 --> 00:24:01,500
are a series of

1495
00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:02,625
regulations and

1496
00:24:02,625 --> 00:24:02,916
pollution

1497
00:24:02,916 --> 00:24:03,916
prevention plans

1498
00:24:03,916 --> 00:24:04,291
and legal

1499
00:24:04,291 --> 00:24:04,791
instruments.

1500
00:24:05,125 --> 00:24:05,666
The government

1501
00:24:05,666 --> 00:24:07,125
has now in its

1502
00:24:07,125 --> 00:24:09,333
pocket and we are

1503
00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:10,916
waiting to see if

1504
00:24:10,916 --> 00:24:11,291
they will use

1505
00:24:11,291 --> 00:24:13,250
them. But as of

1506
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:14,125
today, the

1507
00:24:14,125 --> 00:24:14,750
government has

1508
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:15,750
the ability to

1509
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:16,166
regulate

1510
00:24:16,166 --> 00:24:17,000
plastics. They

1511
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,000
have one law

1512
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,250
regulation. Yeah.

1513
00:24:19,875 --> 00:24:20,500
On the books and

1514
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:20,916
that is the

1515
00:24:20,916 --> 00:24:21,250
single use

1516
00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:22,625
plastic ban. And

1517
00:24:22,625 --> 00:24:25,375
I'm hopeful that

1518
00:24:25,375 --> 00:24:26,291
this government

1519
00:24:26,291 --> 00:24:27,125
will take the

1520
00:24:27,125 --> 00:24:27,958
crisis of plastic

1521
00:24:27,958 --> 00:24:28,500
pollution quite

1522
00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:29,333
seriously because

1523
00:24:29,333 --> 00:24:30,833
it affects

1524
00:24:30,833 --> 00:24:31,666
everything at

1525
00:24:31,666 --> 00:24:32,125
this point.

1526
00:24:32,125 --> 00:24:32,458
And I think every

1527
00:24:32,458 --> 00:24:32,875
day we're

1528
00:24:32,875 --> 00:24:33,916
learning a new

1529
00:24:33,916 --> 00:24:34,583
damage that it

1530
00:24:34,583 --> 00:24:36,000
causes. Yeah,

1531
00:24:36,208 --> 00:24:36,916
absolutely. We'll

1532
00:24:36,916 --> 00:24:37,500
see some action.

1533
00:24:38,583 --> 00:24:39,250
Thank you so much

1534
00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:39,666
for that because

1535
00:24:39,666 --> 00:24:41,500
it's a great, it

1536
00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:42,375
was a great

1537
00:24:42,375 --> 00:24:43,625
summary of what's

1538
00:24:43,625 --> 00:24:44,208
happened all of

1539
00:24:44,208 --> 00:24:44,791
today. I mean,

1540
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,458
it's been very

1541
00:24:46,458 --> 00:24:47,958
slow moving, you

1542
00:24:47,958 --> 00:24:48,666
know, over these

1543
00:24:48,666 --> 00:24:49,625
last three years

1544
00:24:49,625 --> 00:24:50,458
since the appeal

1545
00:24:50,458 --> 00:24:52,583
or since the

1546
00:24:52,583 --> 00:24:53,583
decision and then

1547
00:24:53,583 --> 00:24:54,125
the appeal

1548
00:24:54,125 --> 00:24:55,083
waiting for this

1549
00:24:55,083 --> 00:24:55,916
decision. But it

1550
00:24:55,916 --> 00:24:57,541
seems like it was

1551
00:24:57,541 --> 00:24:58,291
worth the wait,

1552
00:24:58,500 --> 00:24:59,041
you know, in

1553
00:24:59,041 --> 00:24:59,666
terms of like the

1554
00:24:59,666 --> 00:25:00,750
ban kept in.

1555
00:25:01,125 --> 00:25:01,750
May not have been

1556
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:02,916
enforced as well

1557
00:25:02,916 --> 00:25:03,500
as we would have

1558
00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:04,500
liked because you

1559
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:04,875
know, they didn't

1560
00:25:04,875 --> 00:25:05,541
want to make too

1561
00:25:05,541 --> 00:25:06,083
much of a big

1562
00:25:06,083 --> 00:25:06,916
deal about it.

1563
00:25:07,208 --> 00:25:08,000
But now that the

1564
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:08,833
decision has been

1565
00:25:08,833 --> 00:25:10,458
made this

1566
00:25:10,458 --> 00:25:11,375
regulation that

1567
00:25:11,375 --> 00:25:11,958
they've come up

1568
00:25:11,958 --> 00:25:12,875
with with I think

1569
00:25:12,875 --> 00:25:13,500
it's like six

1570
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:14,416
different types

1571
00:25:14,416 --> 00:25:15,416
of plastics. I

1572
00:25:15,416 --> 00:25:15,875
believe you have

1573
00:25:15,875 --> 00:25:16,291
single use

1574
00:25:16,291 --> 00:25:17,000
plastics and like

1575
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,583
you said, it's

1576
00:25:18,583 --> 00:25:19,083
it's in its very

1577
00:25:19,083 --> 00:25:20,500
basic form right

1578
00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:21,333
in terms of like

1579
00:25:21,333 --> 00:25:22,208
the polyethylene

1580
00:25:22,208 --> 00:25:22,583
and there's all

1581
00:25:22,583 --> 00:25:23,083
these different

1582
00:25:23,083 --> 00:25:23,833
names. They're

1583
00:25:23,833 --> 00:25:24,458
very complicated

1584
00:25:24,458 --> 00:25:25,083
names for a lot

1585
00:25:25,083 --> 00:25:25,375
of people

1586
00:25:25,375 --> 00:25:25,875
to read.

1587
00:25:27,166 --> 00:25:28,333
So what is the

1588
00:25:28,333 --> 00:25:29,541
direction now or

1589
00:25:29,541 --> 00:25:30,458
even before as

1590
00:25:30,458 --> 00:25:31,000
this was rolled

1591
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:31,416
out, as you

1592
00:25:31,416 --> 00:25:31,791
mentioned,

1593
00:25:31,791 --> 00:25:32,083
there's a lot

1594
00:25:32,083 --> 00:25:32,708
there are a lot

1595
00:25:32,708 --> 00:25:33,458
of businesses who

1596
00:25:33,458 --> 00:25:34,125
have incorporated

1597
00:25:34,125 --> 00:25:35,625
this already in

1598
00:25:35,625 --> 00:25:36,208
their in their

1599
00:25:36,208 --> 00:25:36,625
business because

1600
00:25:36,625 --> 00:25:37,375
when it got

1601
00:25:37,375 --> 00:25:38,000
rolled out, they

1602
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:38,708
had to there were

1603
00:25:38,708 --> 00:25:39,333
certain ones that

1604
00:25:39,333 --> 00:25:40,375
they had to do at

1605
00:25:40,375 --> 00:25:41,208
certain times of

1606
00:25:41,208 --> 00:25:41,625
the year and

1607
00:25:41,625 --> 00:25:42,416
there was a phase

1608
00:25:42,416 --> 00:25:43,125
out approach.

1609
00:25:43,125 --> 00:25:44,833
And we see a lot

1610
00:25:44,833 --> 00:25:45,500
of it. I don't

1611
00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:46,291
see any of your I

1612
00:25:46,291 --> 00:25:46,666
don't see the

1613
00:25:46,666 --> 00:25:47,333
styrofoam

1614
00:25:47,333 --> 00:25:48,000
clamshells. I

1615
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:48,375
don't see the

1616
00:25:48,375 --> 00:25:49,166
styrofoam cups.

1617
00:25:49,166 --> 00:25:49,541
Those are pretty

1618
00:25:49,541 --> 00:25:51,000
much gone. I do

1619
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:51,500
see plastic

1620
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:52,500
forks. I do see

1621
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:54,083
like plastic sing

1622
00:25:54,083 --> 00:25:55,166
like a single use

1623
00:25:55,166 --> 00:25:56,791
plastic takeout

1624
00:25:56,791 --> 00:25:57,791
containers and

1625
00:25:57,791 --> 00:25:58,500
things like that.

1626
00:25:58,875 --> 00:25:59,333
I see lots

1627
00:25:59,333 --> 00:25:59,791
of those.

1628
00:26:00,250 --> 00:26:02,166
What is the the

1629
00:26:02,166 --> 00:26:03,416
rollout now that

1630
00:26:03,416 --> 00:26:04,458
businesses should

1631
00:26:04,458 --> 00:26:06,875
be ready for and

1632
00:26:06,875 --> 00:26:07,708
and do you think

1633
00:26:07,708 --> 00:26:08,458
there'll be I

1634
00:26:08,458 --> 00:26:09,125
know it may be

1635
00:26:09,125 --> 00:26:09,750
difficult for you

1636
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:10,458
to answer because

1637
00:26:10,458 --> 00:26:11,000
you're not part

1638
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,958
of the government

1639
00:26:11,958 --> 00:26:13,250
but what is the

1640
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:14,166
enforcement that

1641
00:26:14,166 --> 00:26:16,000
happens in this

1642
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,500
part? So let's

1643
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:17,083
first start like

1644
00:26:17,083 --> 00:26:17,500
what's the

1645
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:18,125
rollout now?

1646
00:26:18,125 --> 00:26:18,833
Like, is there a

1647
00:26:18,833 --> 00:26:19,583
new national

1648
00:26:19,583 --> 00:26:20,375
rollout that

1649
00:26:20,375 --> 00:26:21,208
business have to

1650
00:26:21,208 --> 00:26:22,000
look at? How does

1651
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:22,333
the business

1652
00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:23,375
navigate this? I

1653
00:26:23,375 --> 00:26:24,041
guess is what if

1654
00:26:24,041 --> 00:26:24,500
they haven't

1655
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:25,458
already done so.

1656
00:26:26,083 --> 00:26:27,375
Yeah, so one of

1657
00:26:27,375 --> 00:26:29,166
the I would say

1658
00:26:29,166 --> 00:26:29,583
if you're a

1659
00:26:29,583 --> 00:26:30,291
business listen

1660
00:26:30,291 --> 00:26:31,083
listening to

1661
00:26:31,083 --> 00:26:33,000
this. It's not

1662
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,125
like an

1663
00:26:34,125 --> 00:26:34,500
environment

1664
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:35,625
climate change.

1665
00:26:35,875 --> 00:26:37,666
Canada officer is

1666
00:26:37,666 --> 00:26:38,583
going to write

1667
00:26:38,583 --> 00:26:40,833
your store flip a

1668
00:26:40,833 --> 00:26:41,125
little notepad.

1669
00:26:41,125 --> 00:26:47,125
Right. What is I

1670
00:26:47,125 --> 00:26:48,041
think likely

1671
00:26:48,041 --> 00:26:48,791
going to happen

1672
00:26:48,791 --> 00:26:50,500
and again, this

1673
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:51,583
this is a first

1674
00:26:51,583 --> 00:26:52,125
of its kind

1675
00:26:52,125 --> 00:26:53,583
regulation. So

1676
00:26:53,583 --> 00:26:54,541
I'm sure the

1677
00:26:54,541 --> 00:26:54,958
government and

1678
00:26:54,958 --> 00:26:55,458
businesses are

1679
00:26:55,458 --> 00:26:56,083
learning at this

1680
00:26:56,083 --> 00:26:58,500
in concert. If

1681
00:26:58,500 --> 00:26:59,625
you are a large

1682
00:26:59,625 --> 00:27:00,416
purchaser

1683
00:27:00,416 --> 00:27:01,083
contributor

1684
00:27:01,083 --> 00:27:02,708
distributor of

1685
00:27:02,708 --> 00:27:03,416
single use

1686
00:27:03,416 --> 00:27:04,791
plastics, I would

1687
00:27:04,791 --> 00:27:06,625
I would get those

1688
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:07,500
out of your

1689
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:08,375
business line

1690
00:27:08,375 --> 00:27:09,125
right now.

1691
00:27:09,125 --> 00:27:10,458
Yeah, if you are

1692
00:27:10,458 --> 00:27:11,375
putting a target

1693
00:27:11,375 --> 00:27:12,333
on your back,

1694
00:27:13,208 --> 00:27:13,500
it's something

1695
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:14,375
that Canadians

1696
00:27:14,375 --> 00:27:15,541
are passionate

1697
00:27:15,541 --> 00:27:16,375
about, right?

1698
00:27:16,625 --> 00:27:17,333
When we pull

1699
00:27:17,333 --> 00:27:18,291
Canadians across

1700
00:27:18,291 --> 00:27:19,166
the country, it

1701
00:27:19,166 --> 00:27:20,500
never goes below

1702
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:22,291
80% for support

1703
00:27:22,291 --> 00:27:23,125
in banning the

1704
00:27:23,125 --> 00:27:23,500
sale

1705
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:24,500
manufacturing and

1706
00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:25,208
distribution of

1707
00:27:25,208 --> 00:27:25,583
single use

1708
00:27:25,583 --> 00:27:26,125
plastics.

1709
00:27:27,416 --> 00:27:27,583
Canadians,

1710
00:27:27,833 --> 00:27:28,708
they've seen the

1711
00:27:28,708 --> 00:27:29,208
alternatives.

1712
00:27:29,208 --> 00:27:29,791
They've seen the

1713
00:27:29,791 --> 00:27:30,625
benefits. They

1714
00:27:30,625 --> 00:27:31,000
don't want

1715
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:31,125
it. Right.

1716
00:27:31,166 --> 00:27:32,041
And I'm talking

1717
00:27:32,041 --> 00:27:33,000
like across the

1718
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:33,666
board. This is

1719
00:27:33,666 --> 00:27:34,250
not just like a

1720
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:34,791
handful of

1721
00:27:34,791 --> 00:27:35,500
people. This is

1722
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:36,416
like, no, we're

1723
00:27:36,416 --> 00:27:36,791
from different

1724
00:27:36,791 --> 00:27:37,375
thousands of

1725
00:27:37,375 --> 00:27:38,291
people using a

1726
00:27:38,291 --> 00:27:39,000
non biased

1727
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,083
polling agency.

1728
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:42,000
We keep

1729
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,208
everything very

1730
00:27:43,208 --> 00:27:44,083
public and

1731
00:27:44,083 --> 00:27:44,625
transparent.

1732
00:27:44,916 --> 00:27:45,125
Right.

1733
00:27:45,125 --> 00:27:45,416
We keep these

1734
00:27:45,416 --> 00:27:47,083
pulling data and

1735
00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:48,500
it's very, it's

1736
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:49,125
very clear, no

1737
00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:49,416
matter the

1738
00:27:49,416 --> 00:27:50,708
province, age,

1739
00:27:51,083 --> 00:27:52,291
gender, voting

1740
00:27:52,291 --> 00:27:53,666
affiliation or

1741
00:27:53,666 --> 00:27:54,083
past voting

1742
00:27:54,083 --> 00:27:55,250
history. People

1743
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:55,666
do not like

1744
00:27:55,666 --> 00:27:56,666
single single use

1745
00:27:56,666 --> 00:27:57,500
plastics people

1746
00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:57,916
don't like

1747
00:27:57,916 --> 00:27:59,208
litter. Yeah,

1748
00:27:59,333 --> 00:28:00,250
yeah, for sure.

1749
00:28:01,125 --> 00:28:01,625
It's a very basic

1750
00:28:01,625 --> 00:28:02,333
thing. People

1751
00:28:02,333 --> 00:28:03,375
like a clean

1752
00:28:03,375 --> 00:28:04,166
environment. They

1753
00:28:04,166 --> 00:28:04,666
like a clean

1754
00:28:04,666 --> 00:28:05,708
home. They don't

1755
00:28:05,708 --> 00:28:06,458
like litter and

1756
00:28:06,458 --> 00:28:06,833
single use

1757
00:28:06,833 --> 00:28:07,000
plastics.

1758
00:28:07,166 --> 00:28:07,916
Everyone is very

1759
00:28:07,916 --> 00:28:09,625
aware that, oh,

1760
00:28:09,625 --> 00:28:10,500
it uses for three

1761
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:11,500
seconds or for

1762
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:12,041
the five minute

1763
00:28:12,041 --> 00:28:12,833
walk from the

1764
00:28:12,833 --> 00:28:14,000
store to my car

1765
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,750
to the bus.

1766
00:28:15,916 --> 00:28:16,583
And then this

1767
00:28:16,583 --> 00:28:17,625
piece of garbage

1768
00:28:17,625 --> 00:28:18,291
that never gets

1769
00:28:18,291 --> 00:28:19,666
recycled is going

1770
00:28:19,666 --> 00:28:20,666
to either go to a

1771
00:28:20,666 --> 00:28:21,333
landfill where

1772
00:28:21,333 --> 00:28:21,708
it's going to

1773
00:28:21,708 --> 00:28:23,416
outlive three

1774
00:28:23,416 --> 00:28:24,125
generations

1775
00:28:24,125 --> 00:28:25,000
past me.

1776
00:28:26,125 --> 00:28:27,125
And it's going to

1777
00:28:27,125 --> 00:28:27,666
pollute the

1778
00:28:27,666 --> 00:28:28,125
environment or

1779
00:28:28,125 --> 00:28:28,500
potentially get

1780
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:29,125
into the stomach.

1781
00:28:29,125 --> 00:28:30,250
So the stomach of

1782
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:31,000
an animal I love

1783
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,250
or it's going to

1784
00:28:32,250 --> 00:28:33,208
ruin the natural

1785
00:28:33,208 --> 00:28:33,583
environment

1786
00:28:33,583 --> 00:28:34,458
around me. Yeah.

1787
00:28:34,916 --> 00:28:35,541
Like walking down

1788
00:28:35,541 --> 00:28:36,125
the shoreline

1789
00:28:36,125 --> 00:28:36,708
without seeing

1790
00:28:36,708 --> 00:28:37,541
garbage on my

1791
00:28:37,541 --> 00:28:40,500
feet. So people

1792
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:41,583
do not want this

1793
00:28:41,583 --> 00:28:42,333
businesses

1794
00:28:42,333 --> 00:28:43,416
finally with this

1795
00:28:43,416 --> 00:28:44,541
decision have

1796
00:28:44,541 --> 00:28:46,416
clarity. Yeah, I

1797
00:28:46,416 --> 00:28:47,125
think like that's

1798
00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:47,416
that's the

1799
00:28:47,416 --> 00:28:47,916
biggest thing

1800
00:28:47,916 --> 00:28:48,125
anyone

1801
00:28:48,125 --> 00:28:48,916
can ask for.

1802
00:28:50,125 --> 00:28:51,250
I think like when I started investing in my

1803
00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:52,666
my supply chain

1804
00:28:52,666 --> 00:28:54,041
and rejigging the

1805
00:28:54,041 --> 00:28:54,750
products I put

1806
00:28:54,750 --> 00:28:55,833
out and how I

1807
00:28:55,833 --> 00:28:56,333
interacted with

1808
00:28:56,333 --> 00:28:56,875
my customers.

1809
00:28:57,666 --> 00:28:59,333
This is clear. Do

1810
00:28:59,333 --> 00:29:00,000
not provide them

1811
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,500
with single use

1812
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:01,291
plastic right

1813
00:29:01,291 --> 00:29:02,458
now. That does

1814
00:29:02,458 --> 00:29:04,000
not mean all

1815
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,625
plastics are

1816
00:29:04,625 --> 00:29:05,500
banned. Right.

1817
00:29:06,125 --> 00:29:06,750
All single use

1818
00:29:06,750 --> 00:29:07,291
plastics are

1819
00:29:07,291 --> 00:29:08,708
banned. You said

1820
00:29:08,708 --> 00:29:09,458
before there are

1821
00:29:09,458 --> 00:29:09,833
single use

1822
00:29:09,833 --> 00:29:10,333
plastic take

1823
00:29:10,333 --> 00:29:11,416
containers. Those

1824
00:29:11,416 --> 00:29:12,375
are still legal.

1825
00:29:12,791 --> 00:29:13,708
There are many

1826
00:29:13,708 --> 00:29:14,958
that aren't. Yes.

1827
00:29:15,041 --> 00:29:15,875
Any of them have

1828
00:29:15,875 --> 00:29:16,916
black plastic.

1829
00:29:17,458 --> 00:29:17,916
That's illegal

1830
00:29:17,916 --> 00:29:18,416
because that

1831
00:29:18,416 --> 00:29:18,916
never gets

1832
00:29:18,916 --> 00:29:19,375
recycled.

1833
00:29:20,125 --> 00:29:20,625
Any of them that

1834
00:29:20,625 --> 00:29:21,083
are made of

1835
00:29:21,083 --> 00:29:22,000
polystyrene

1836
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,500
styrofoam. Those

1837
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:24,208
are illegal.

1838
00:29:24,583 --> 00:29:25,333
Right. Do not get

1839
00:29:25,333 --> 00:29:25,958
recycled. Those

1840
00:29:25,958 --> 00:29:26,541
are pure litter.

1841
00:29:26,916 --> 00:29:27,958
So if you're a

1842
00:29:27,958 --> 00:29:28,541
business that is

1843
00:29:28,541 --> 00:29:29,041
doing large

1844
00:29:29,041 --> 00:29:29,625
purchasing

1845
00:29:29,625 --> 00:29:31,500
importing review

1846
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:32,208
the regulation.

1847
00:29:32,208 --> 00:29:33,166
Read it

1848
00:29:33,166 --> 00:29:34,041
carefully. Have a

1849
00:29:34,041 --> 00:29:35,000
lawyer look at

1850
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,791
it. Look at the

1851
00:29:35,791 --> 00:29:36,500
products that you

1852
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:38,208
sell. Consult

1853
00:29:38,208 --> 00:29:39,166
with them. Yeah.

1854
00:29:39,916 --> 00:29:40,958
If anything reach

1855
00:29:40,958 --> 00:29:41,458
out to

1856
00:29:41,458 --> 00:29:41,791
environment

1857
00:29:41,791 --> 00:29:42,458
climate change

1858
00:29:42,458 --> 00:29:43,375
Canada. Yeah.

1859
00:29:43,375 --> 00:29:44,041
They'll help you.

1860
00:29:48,583 --> 00:29:49,458
I think that's

1861
00:29:49,458 --> 00:29:50,083
their preferred

1862
00:29:50,083 --> 00:29:51,083
option versus

1863
00:29:51,083 --> 00:29:52,458
enforcement. But

1864
00:29:52,458 --> 00:29:53,875
this is the thing

1865
00:29:53,875 --> 00:29:54,416
you have

1866
00:29:54,416 --> 00:29:55,458
Canadians around

1867
00:29:55,458 --> 00:29:56,458
this country and

1868
00:29:56,458 --> 00:29:57,291
every corner of

1869
00:29:57,291 --> 00:29:58,166
town that hates

1870
00:29:58,166 --> 00:29:58,916
English plastic.

1871
00:29:58,916 --> 00:30:00,500
I wouldn't want

1872
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:01,666
to annoy that

1873
00:30:01,666 --> 00:30:02,500
local citizen

1874
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:03,291
that all they're

1875
00:30:03,291 --> 00:30:03,791
going to want to

1876
00:30:03,791 --> 00:30:04,125
do is put you on blast because you're breaking the law and now it is breaking the law. Absolutely.
Now as a consumer like as an individual because we have a lot of individuals here.

1877
00:30:04,166 --> 00:30:14,500
Canadian American

1878
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:15,375
and so forth. But

1879
00:30:15,375 --> 00:30:15,958
as a Canadian

1880
00:30:15,958 --> 00:30:17,375
individual who is

1881
00:30:17,375 --> 00:30:18,166
trying to like I

1882
00:30:18,166 --> 00:30:18,750
want to go to

1883
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:19,500
places and I want

1884
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:20,333
to support places

1885
00:30:20,333 --> 00:30:21,500
who use the right

1886
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:22,666
materials who

1887
00:30:22,666 --> 00:30:23,500
used like who are

1888
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:24,375
not using the

1889
00:30:24,375 --> 00:30:25,291
wrong materials.

1890
00:30:25,791 --> 00:30:26,375
Again, it can be

1891
00:30:26,375 --> 00:30:26,666
a little

1892
00:30:26,666 --> 00:30:28,125
confusing. You know you you want to make sure that you're doing it right. You're not calling it a business for for something bad. Are you having a problem with it? Have you been using it for a long time and you're not doing it for a long time.

1893
00:30:28,125 --> 00:30:28,833
you know, you

1894
00:30:28,833 --> 00:30:29,541
want to make sure

1895
00:30:29,541 --> 00:30:30,291
that you're doing

1896
00:30:30,291 --> 00:30:30,791
it right.

1897
00:30:30,791 --> 00:30:31,000
You're not

1898
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,541
calling out a

1899
00:30:31,541 --> 00:30:32,083
business for

1900
00:30:32,083 --> 00:30:33,083
something bad.

1901
00:30:33,666 --> 00:30:33,916
You're having

1902
00:30:33,916 --> 00:30:34,333
that

1903
00:30:34,333 --> 00:30:35,000
conversation.

1904
00:30:35,541 --> 00:30:36,708
How would you,

1905
00:30:36,708 --> 00:30:37,291
what advice would

1906
00:30:37,291 --> 00:30:37,833
you give?

1907
00:30:37,833 --> 00:30:38,083
Cause you've

1908
00:30:38,083 --> 00:30:38,583
done it too.

1909
00:30:38,916 --> 00:30:39,666
Like you, I know

1910
00:30:39,666 --> 00:30:41,041
you monitor

1911
00:30:41,041 --> 00:30:41,958
these places.

1912
00:30:41,958 --> 00:30:42,333
Sometimes you

1913
00:30:42,333 --> 00:30:43,000
call people out

1914
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:43,333
on social media

1915
00:30:43,875 --> 00:30:44,291
and sometimes

1916
00:30:44,291 --> 00:30:45,208
you're like, hey,

1917
00:30:45,208 --> 00:30:45,583
like this is

1918
00:30:45,583 --> 00:30:46,125
really great.

1919
00:30:46,125 --> 00:30:46,708
This is a great

1920
00:30:46,708 --> 00:30:47,375
example of

1921
00:30:47,375 --> 00:30:48,125
sustainable use.

1922
00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:49,583
What advice would

1923
00:30:49,583 --> 00:30:50,416
you give based on

1924
00:30:50,416 --> 00:30:51,250
your experience

1925
00:30:51,541 --> 00:30:52,583
and all the stuff

1926
00:30:52,583 --> 00:30:53,250
that you know,

1927
00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:54,000
for like someone

1928
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,791
like myself or

1929
00:30:54,791 --> 00:30:55,166
anybody

1930
00:30:55,166 --> 00:30:55,916
like my family.

1931
00:30:56,250 --> 00:30:56,958
When we go into a

1932
00:30:56,958 --> 00:30:57,416
place to

1933
00:30:57,416 --> 00:30:57,791
make sure

1934
00:30:57,875 --> 00:30:58,333
that they are

1935
00:30:58,333 --> 00:30:58,791
following the

1936
00:30:58,791 --> 00:30:59,291
regulations.

1937
00:31:00,416 --> 00:31:00,791
So I would

1938
00:31:00,791 --> 00:31:01,416
immediately put

1939
00:31:01,416 --> 00:31:01,875
them into two

1940
00:31:01,875 --> 00:31:02,416
categories.

1941
00:31:02,666 --> 00:31:03,333
Are you a large

1942
00:31:03,333 --> 00:31:03,833
multinational

1943
00:31:03,833 --> 00:31:04,500
corporation

1944
00:31:05,458 --> 00:31:06,250
or are you a

1945
00:31:06,250 --> 00:31:06,875
small mom and

1946
00:31:06,875 --> 00:31:07,625
pop? Right.

1947
00:31:08,375 --> 00:31:08,916
Remember when I

1948
00:31:08,916 --> 00:31:11,000
would I think it

1949
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,625
is very unfair

1950
00:31:11,625 --> 00:31:12,041
to treat those

1951
00:31:12,041 --> 00:31:12,791
two things as

1952
00:31:12,791 --> 00:31:13,833
equals or not.

1953
00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:16,125
So as you've

1954
00:31:16,125 --> 00:31:18,166
mentioned, I have

1955
00:31:18,166 --> 00:31:18,791
publicly called

1956
00:31:18,791 --> 00:31:19,333
out company.

1957
00:31:21,041 --> 00:31:22,166
Yeah, my reason

1958
00:31:22,166 --> 00:31:23,250
there are large

1959
00:31:23,250 --> 00:31:24,250
fast food chains

1960
00:31:24,666 --> 00:31:25,791
and large cinema

1961
00:31:25,791 --> 00:31:27,875
enterprises.

1962
00:31:28,458 --> 00:31:29,416
Yeah, that

1963
00:31:29,416 --> 00:31:30,500
currently have

1964
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:31,708
banned illegal

1965
00:31:31,708 --> 00:31:32,291
single-use

1966
00:31:32,291 --> 00:31:32,750
plastics

1967
00:31:33,458 --> 00:31:34,500
for sale at their

1968
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:35,083
operations.

1969
00:31:35,416 --> 00:31:35,958
And now that this

1970
00:31:35,958 --> 00:31:37,083
decision is

1971
00:31:37,083 --> 00:31:39,041
affirmed with the

1972
00:31:39,041 --> 00:31:39,458
federal court

1973
00:31:39,458 --> 00:31:41,000
of appeal. Yeah,

1974
00:31:41,708 --> 00:31:42,541
I would say the

1975
00:31:42,541 --> 00:31:43,291
best way to grab

1976
00:31:43,291 --> 00:31:43,916
the attention

1977
00:31:44,041 --> 00:31:44,958
for compliance

1978
00:31:44,958 --> 00:31:46,208
with the law of

1979
00:31:46,208 --> 00:31:46,500
large

1980
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:47,000
multinational

1981
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,000
corporations.

1982
00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:50,750
Public yeah,

1983
00:31:51,125 --> 00:31:51,416
accountability.

1984
00:31:51,666 --> 00:31:53,583
Yeah, this used

1985
00:31:53,583 --> 00:31:54,750
to be one of the

1986
00:31:54,750 --> 00:31:56,041
best utilities

1987
00:31:56,041 --> 00:31:58,291
and uses of

1988
00:31:58,291 --> 00:31:59,500
Twitter back in

1989
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:00,083
the day.

1990
00:32:00,083 --> 00:32:01,333
Yeah, you could

1991
00:32:01,333 --> 00:32:02,083
connect directly

1992
00:32:02,083 --> 00:32:02,250
with

1993
00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:03,041
customer service

1994
00:32:03,041 --> 00:32:03,583
and in a very

1995
00:32:03,583 --> 00:32:04,625
public-facing way

1996
00:32:04,625 --> 00:32:05,416
and see change

1997
00:32:05,416 --> 00:32:05,708
happen

1998
00:32:05,708 --> 00:32:06,291
quite quick.

1999
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:06,958
I would say

2000
00:32:06,958 --> 00:32:08,166
Twitter access

2001
00:32:08,166 --> 00:32:08,750
turned into a

2002
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:09,708
different forum.

2003
00:32:10,875 --> 00:32:12,250
But LinkedIn is

2004
00:32:12,250 --> 00:32:13,666
highly visible as

2005
00:32:13,666 --> 00:32:14,000
highly

2006
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,583
professional.

2007
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:16,416
And I think it is

2008
00:32:16,416 --> 00:32:17,291
important that

2009
00:32:17,291 --> 00:32:18,166
when a large

2010
00:32:18,166 --> 00:32:18,583
multinational

2011
00:32:18,583 --> 00:32:19,208
company

2012
00:32:19,375 --> 00:32:19,791
or a large

2013
00:32:19,791 --> 00:32:20,583
national company

2014
00:32:20,583 --> 00:32:21,458
is breaking the

2015
00:32:21,458 --> 00:32:22,333
law and it is

2016
00:32:22,333 --> 00:32:22,750
putting the

2017
00:32:22,750 --> 00:32:23,083
environment

2018
00:32:23,083 --> 00:32:23,625
at risk.

2019
00:32:23,958 --> 00:32:24,541
I think it's fair

2020
00:32:24,541 --> 00:32:26,375
game to document

2021
00:32:26,375 --> 00:32:27,250
it show where

2022
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:27,916
it's happening

2023
00:32:27,916 --> 00:32:29,208
and tell the

2024
00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:29,833
appropriate

2025
00:32:29,833 --> 00:32:31,166
Department of

2026
00:32:31,166 --> 00:32:32,125
Environment and Climate

2027
00:32:32,125 --> 00:32:32,625
Change Canada.

2028
00:32:33,041 --> 00:32:34,041
Yeah, it

2029
00:32:34,041 --> 00:32:34,833
might be good.

2030
00:32:36,083 --> 00:32:36,541
But when it comes

2031
00:32:36,541 --> 00:32:37,250
to a small mom

2032
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:38,333
pop shop, I would

2033
00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:38,708
take a very

2034
00:32:38,708 --> 00:32:38,958
different

2035
00:32:38,958 --> 00:32:39,333
approach.

2036
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:40,541
Yeah, number one.

2037
00:32:41,666 --> 00:32:42,916
Me and you see

2038
00:32:42,916 --> 00:32:43,083
these

2039
00:32:43,083 --> 00:32:43,500
regulations.

2040
00:32:43,875 --> 00:32:44,458
We understand

2041
00:32:44,458 --> 00:32:46,083
them that is

2042
00:32:46,083 --> 00:32:47,541
super different

2043
00:32:47,541 --> 00:32:48,625
from a

2044
00:32:48,625 --> 00:32:50,416
cafe a bakery.

2045
00:32:51,875 --> 00:32:52,666
The person that

2046
00:32:52,666 --> 00:32:53,500
is running or

2047
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:54,250
franchising a

2048
00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:55,708
small operation

2049
00:32:55,708 --> 00:32:57,250
is not looking at

2050
00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:57,583
federal

2051
00:32:57,583 --> 00:32:58,500
regulation and

2052
00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:59,500
interpreting it

2053
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:00,750
and changing like

2054
00:33:00,750 --> 00:33:02,416
their hearing.

2055
00:33:02,666 --> 00:33:03,083
Oh, there's a

2056
00:33:03,083 --> 00:33:03,291
single

2057
00:33:03,291 --> 00:33:04,208
plastic ban.

2058
00:33:04,208 --> 00:33:05,125
I show what items

2059
00:33:05,125 --> 00:33:05,750
is my item.

2060
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:07,083
Okay, and I think

2061
00:33:07,083 --> 00:33:07,708
what's really

2062
00:33:07,708 --> 00:33:08,500
difficult for

2063
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:09,833
them is that we

2064
00:33:09,833 --> 00:33:10,291
don't have any

2065
00:33:10,291 --> 00:33:11,000
regulations on

2066
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:11,666
labeling and

2067
00:33:11,666 --> 00:33:12,000
branding.

2068
00:33:12,458 --> 00:33:13,291
Yeah, they may be

2069
00:33:13,291 --> 00:33:14,208
buying a plastic

2070
00:33:14,208 --> 00:33:15,083
straw or plastic

2071
00:33:15,083 --> 00:33:16,208
fork thinking

2072
00:33:16,208 --> 00:33:17,375
that it's okay

2073
00:33:17,375 --> 00:33:18,125
with the ban

2074
00:33:18,125 --> 00:33:18,875
because it says

2075
00:33:18,875 --> 00:33:19,958
biodegradable or

2076
00:33:19,958 --> 00:33:20,541
compostable.

2077
00:33:20,833 --> 00:33:21,166
It's still

2078
00:33:21,166 --> 00:33:22,541
plastic. It's

2079
00:33:22,541 --> 00:33:23,750
illegal. Right.

2080
00:33:24,416 --> 00:33:25,250
Point blank stop.

2081
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:26,041
Yeah, careful the

2082
00:33:26,041 --> 00:33:26,875
marketing ploys

2083
00:33:26,875 --> 00:33:27,541
that they use,

2084
00:33:27,541 --> 00:33:27,833
right?

2085
00:33:28,375 --> 00:33:29,000
Here's the thing.

2086
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:29,583
If it looks and

2087
00:33:29,583 --> 00:33:29,958
feels like

2088
00:33:29,958 --> 00:33:30,791
plastic, it's

2089
00:33:30,791 --> 00:33:31,291
plastic. It's

2090
00:33:31,291 --> 00:33:32,000
plastic. Yeah,

2091
00:33:32,208 --> 00:33:33,416
the law simply

2092
00:33:33,416 --> 00:33:34,125
says the

2093
00:33:34,125 --> 00:33:34,750
regulation keeps

2094
00:33:34,750 --> 00:33:35,958
saying law is a

2095
00:33:35,958 --> 00:33:36,666
regular, commonly

2096
00:33:36,666 --> 00:33:37,000
understood.

2097
00:33:37,291 --> 00:33:37,791
But it is a

2098
00:33:37,791 --> 00:33:40,000
regulation. The

2099
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000
regulation for

2100
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:41,916
the ban clearly

2101
00:33:41,916 --> 00:33:43,250
states if it is

2102
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:44,541
made of or

2103
00:33:44,541 --> 00:33:45,416
containing

2104
00:33:45,416 --> 00:33:47,291
plastic. Right.

2105
00:33:47,541 --> 00:33:49,000
So biodegradable

2106
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,041
eco oxo

2107
00:33:53,041 --> 00:33:53,708
degradable.

2108
00:33:53,708 --> 00:33:54,583
These are all

2109
00:33:54,583 --> 00:33:56,125
chemistry

2110
00:33:56,125 --> 00:33:57,166
terms. Yeah.

2111
00:33:57,666 --> 00:33:58,750
In terms of

2112
00:33:58,750 --> 00:33:59,583
plastic, it's

2113
00:33:59,583 --> 00:34:00,416
plastic. If you

2114
00:34:00,416 --> 00:34:01,041
are putting out a

2115
00:34:01,041 --> 00:34:01,833
plastic fork or

2116
00:34:01,833 --> 00:34:03,208
straw or

2117
00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:04,416
styrofoam and

2118
00:34:04,416 --> 00:34:05,875
it's labeled with

2119
00:34:05,875 --> 00:34:07,958
some sort of eco

2120
00:34:07,958 --> 00:34:08,791
friendly wording

2121
00:34:08,791 --> 00:34:09,750
on it or it's

2122
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:10,208
written in green

2123
00:34:10,208 --> 00:34:11,375
or blue. Yeah.

2124
00:34:12,041 --> 00:34:12,750
It's trying to

2125
00:34:12,750 --> 00:34:13,500
deceive you don't

2126
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:14,416
fall for it. You

2127
00:34:14,416 --> 00:34:15,041
should not fall

2128
00:34:15,041 --> 00:34:15,958
victim to

2129
00:34:15,958 --> 00:34:17,000
breaking the law.

2130
00:34:17,875 --> 00:34:18,541
If you are

2131
00:34:18,541 --> 00:34:19,041
entering

2132
00:34:19,041 --> 00:34:19,541
establishments

2133
00:34:19,541 --> 00:34:20,333
and you see that

2134
00:34:20,333 --> 00:34:20,708
they're doing

2135
00:34:20,708 --> 00:34:21,416
that, I would

2136
00:34:21,416 --> 00:34:22,958
just kindly talk

2137
00:34:22,958 --> 00:34:23,375
to the person

2138
00:34:23,375 --> 00:34:25,333
say, hey, I love

2139
00:34:25,333 --> 00:34:25,958
your store.

2140
00:34:26,458 --> 00:34:27,208
I love coming

2141
00:34:27,208 --> 00:34:28,750
here. I'm really

2142
00:34:28,750 --> 00:34:29,375
passionate about

2143
00:34:29,375 --> 00:34:31,458
making sure that

2144
00:34:31,458 --> 00:34:32,041
businesses are

2145
00:34:32,041 --> 00:34:32,250
being

2146
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:34,041
sustainable. I

2147
00:34:34,041 --> 00:34:34,708
just want you to

2148
00:34:34,708 --> 00:34:35,916
know that this

2149
00:34:35,916 --> 00:34:37,166
product is

2150
00:34:37,166 --> 00:34:38,000
plastic and that

2151
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:38,750
is part of the

2152
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:39,666
federal ban. This

2153
00:34:39,666 --> 00:34:40,333
should not be

2154
00:34:40,333 --> 00:34:42,250
sold anymore. And

2155
00:34:42,250 --> 00:34:42,833
just ask them,

2156
00:34:42,833 --> 00:34:43,375
can you just make

2157
00:34:43,375 --> 00:34:43,791
sure that you

2158
00:34:43,791 --> 00:34:45,541
tell the owner or

2159
00:34:45,541 --> 00:34:46,583
the franchise to

2160
00:34:46,583 --> 00:34:47,208
just flag

2161
00:34:47,208 --> 00:34:48,000
it for them.

2162
00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:48,708
And if you want

2163
00:34:48,708 --> 00:34:49,958
additional

2164
00:34:49,958 --> 00:34:50,875
resources to

2165
00:34:50,875 --> 00:34:51,291
double check

2166
00:34:51,291 --> 00:34:52,041
this, I'm happy

2167
00:34:52,041 --> 00:34:52,958
to send them. And

2168
00:34:52,958 --> 00:34:53,333
then I would

2169
00:34:53,333 --> 00:34:54,625
direct them to go

2170
00:34:54,625 --> 00:34:55,041
to environment

2171
00:34:55,041 --> 00:34:55,666
climate change

2172
00:34:55,666 --> 00:34:56,500
Canada's website

2173
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:56,958
and go to

2174
00:34:56,958 --> 00:34:57,625
websites like

2175
00:34:57,625 --> 00:34:59,125
Oceana. I would

2176
00:34:59,125 --> 00:35:00,166
even say in the

2177
00:35:00,166 --> 00:35:00,833
comment section

2178
00:35:00,833 --> 00:35:01,666
of where this is

2179
00:35:01,666 --> 00:35:02,375
living, we can

2180
00:35:02,375 --> 00:35:03,250
put the link to

2181
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:03,833
the regulation

2182
00:35:03,833 --> 00:35:04,125
right

2183
00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:04,750
underneath it.

2184
00:35:05,208 --> 00:35:06,500
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2185
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:06,750
That'd be

2186
00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:09,375
perfect. It's

2187
00:35:09,375 --> 00:35:11,166
there's a limit

2188
00:35:11,166 --> 00:35:11,750
to how the

2189
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:11,958
federal

2190
00:35:11,958 --> 00:35:12,458
government can

2191
00:35:12,458 --> 00:35:13,250
communicate. It

2192
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:15,000
can only I think

2193
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:15,541
it can only

2194
00:35:15,541 --> 00:35:16,000
communicate

2195
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,541
officially in

2196
00:35:16,541 --> 00:35:17,000
English and

2197
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,625
French. Yes.

2198
00:35:18,041 --> 00:35:19,000
It's a right very

2199
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,333
standard, very

2200
00:35:20,333 --> 00:35:21,416
blank. Yeah. The

2201
00:35:21,416 --> 00:35:22,166
communication has

2202
00:35:22,166 --> 00:35:23,000
to be pretty much

2203
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:23,958
dull as compete.

2204
00:35:26,166 --> 00:35:27,208
And that doesn't

2205
00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:28,083
work for everyone

2206
00:35:28,083 --> 00:35:28,916
in like a huge

2207
00:35:28,916 --> 00:35:30,000
country like ours

2208
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,125
that has much a

2209
00:35:31,125 --> 00:35:31,916
diversity of how

2210
00:35:31,916 --> 00:35:33,416
people speak,

2211
00:35:33,416 --> 00:35:35,250
interact, run

2212
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:35,875
their businesses.

2213
00:35:36,375 --> 00:35:36,916
And we should be

2214
00:35:36,916 --> 00:35:37,666
accommodating to

2215
00:35:37,666 --> 00:35:38,208
that and try to

2216
00:35:38,208 --> 00:35:38,750
bring people

2217
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:39,541
along with it.

2218
00:35:39,541 --> 00:35:40,916
But I think

2219
00:35:40,916 --> 00:35:41,333
what's really

2220
00:35:41,333 --> 00:35:41,916
important from

2221
00:35:41,916 --> 00:35:42,750
this decision and

2222
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:43,666
from the ban is

2223
00:35:43,666 --> 00:35:45,041
that businesses

2224
00:35:45,041 --> 00:35:45,750
now see a

2225
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:46,166
pipeline.

2226
00:35:46,875 --> 00:35:47,041
And I think they

2227
00:35:47,041 --> 00:35:48,791
are constantly, I

2228
00:35:48,791 --> 00:35:49,041
mean, they

2229
00:35:49,041 --> 00:35:49,916
started with a

2230
00:35:49,916 --> 00:35:50,541
couple of items

2231
00:35:50,541 --> 00:35:50,916
on the single

2232
00:35:50,916 --> 00:35:52,333
plastic ban, but

2233
00:35:52,333 --> 00:35:54,125
it could grow. Of

2234
00:35:54,125 --> 00:35:55,500
course, it is a

2235
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:56,208
government that

2236
00:35:56,208 --> 00:35:56,500
environment

2237
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:57,000
climate change

2238
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:57,875
Canada still has

2239
00:35:57,875 --> 00:35:58,666
a priority for

2240
00:35:58,666 --> 00:35:59,250
fighting plastic

2241
00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:00,541
pollution. This

2242
00:36:00,541 --> 00:36:01,458
minister has gone

2243
00:36:01,458 --> 00:36:02,125
out on public

2244
00:36:02,125 --> 00:36:02,666
statements

2245
00:36:02,666 --> 00:36:03,541
multiple times

2246
00:36:03,541 --> 00:36:05,333
now reaffirming

2247
00:36:05,333 --> 00:36:05,708
that this

2248
00:36:05,708 --> 00:36:06,916
government is

2249
00:36:06,916 --> 00:36:07,708
committed to

2250
00:36:07,708 --> 00:36:09,083
fighting plastic

2251
00:36:09,083 --> 00:36:09,958
pollution, to

2252
00:36:09,958 --> 00:36:10,333
working

2253
00:36:10,333 --> 00:36:10,958
cooperatively

2254
00:36:10,958 --> 00:36:11,708
with businesses,

2255
00:36:12,041 --> 00:36:12,708
other levels of

2256
00:36:12,708 --> 00:36:13,166
government

2257
00:36:13,166 --> 00:36:14,041
nationally,

2258
00:36:14,041 --> 00:36:14,666
internationally

2259
00:36:14,666 --> 00:36:15,500
to fight plastic

2260
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:15,875
pollution.

2261
00:36:16,666 --> 00:36:17,916
There's no signal

2262
00:36:17,916 --> 00:36:18,958
coming from this

2263
00:36:18,958 --> 00:36:19,166
federal

2264
00:36:19,166 --> 00:36:19,875
government that

2265
00:36:19,875 --> 00:36:20,958
they're going to

2266
00:36:20,958 --> 00:36:22,416
all of a sudden

2267
00:36:22,416 --> 00:36:23,458
let single waste

2268
00:36:23,458 --> 00:36:24,250
plastics flood

2269
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:24,750
the Canadian

2270
00:36:24,750 --> 00:36:25,708
market. And

2271
00:36:25,708 --> 00:36:26,416
there's no signal

2272
00:36:26,416 --> 00:36:26,833
that they're

2273
00:36:26,833 --> 00:36:28,416
going to keep

2274
00:36:28,416 --> 00:36:29,708
investing in

2275
00:36:29,708 --> 00:36:31,375
plastic products

2276
00:36:31,375 --> 00:36:31,916
that are just

2277
00:36:31,916 --> 00:36:32,416
ending up in

2278
00:36:32,416 --> 00:36:33,083
landfill or the

2279
00:36:33,083 --> 00:36:33,708
environment or

2280
00:36:33,708 --> 00:36:34,000
potentially

2281
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:34,875
putting human

2282
00:36:34,875 --> 00:36:35,583
health at risk.

2283
00:36:35,958 --> 00:36:37,208
So it's a big,

2284
00:36:37,208 --> 00:36:37,666
big market

2285
00:36:37,666 --> 00:36:39,500
signal. Yeah. And

2286
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:40,250
we'll have to see

2287
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:40,875
what happens from

2288
00:36:40,875 --> 00:36:41,583
it. But groups

2289
00:36:41,583 --> 00:36:42,416
like Oceana will

2290
00:36:42,416 --> 00:36:43,333
keep pushing for

2291
00:36:43,333 --> 00:36:43,708
this federal

2292
00:36:43,708 --> 00:36:44,291
government to

2293
00:36:44,291 --> 00:36:44,916
take national

2294
00:36:44,916 --> 00:36:45,375
action on

2295
00:36:45,375 --> 00:36:45,708
it because

2296
00:36:47,208 --> 00:36:47,875
Yeah, I can bring

2297
00:36:47,875 --> 00:36:48,791
my reusable cup

2298
00:36:48,791 --> 00:36:49,541
so many times,

2299
00:36:49,541 --> 00:36:51,125
but I would like

2300
00:36:51,125 --> 00:36:52,166
a law that brings

2301
00:36:52,166 --> 00:36:53,125
us all up to

2302
00:36:53,125 --> 00:36:54,041
speed and the

2303
00:36:54,041 --> 00:36:55,375
impact is so big

2304
00:36:55,375 --> 00:36:56,375
as like a little

2305
00:36:56,375 --> 00:36:58,166
like tidbit that

2306
00:36:58,166 --> 00:36:59,291
ban for the

2307
00:36:59,291 --> 00:36:59,833
checkout

2308
00:36:59,833 --> 00:37:00,708
bag. Yeah.

2309
00:37:01,666 --> 00:37:02,208
We're a country

2310
00:37:02,208 --> 00:37:03,125
of like are

2311
00:37:03,125 --> 00:37:04,000
hovering around

2312
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:04,500
maybe a little

2313
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:05,166
above 40

2314
00:37:05,166 --> 00:37:05,666
million people.

2315
00:37:06,125 --> 00:37:08,083
The staff from I

2316
00:37:08,083 --> 00:37:09,291
think it was 2021

2317
00:37:09,291 --> 00:37:11,958
or 2022 that year

2318
00:37:11,958 --> 00:37:13,916
Canada sold

2319
00:37:13,916 --> 00:37:14,958
domestically

2320
00:37:14,958 --> 00:37:17,583
somewhere like 17

2321
00:37:17,583 --> 00:37:19,166
billion single

2322
00:37:19,166 --> 00:37:20,208
use plastic

2323
00:37:20,208 --> 00:37:21,291
checkout bags.

2324
00:37:22,375 --> 00:37:24,041
That one law got

2325
00:37:24,041 --> 00:37:25,208
rid of 17

2326
00:37:25,208 --> 00:37:25,875
billion.

2327
00:37:25,916 --> 00:37:29,541
And that's

2328
00:37:29,541 --> 00:37:30,250
probably like one

2329
00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:31,833
year. That's in

2330
00:37:31,833 --> 00:37:32,666
one year. That's

2331
00:37:32,666 --> 00:37:35,000
in one year. One

2332
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,500
of them got some

2333
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:35,916
the environment

2334
00:37:35,916 --> 00:37:36,791
they come up for

2335
00:37:36,791 --> 00:37:37,333
a couple 100

2336
00:37:37,333 --> 00:37:38,541
years before it. Yeah.

2337
00:37:38,541 --> 00:37:39,666
Microplastics

2338
00:37:39,666 --> 00:37:40,208
which are like

2339
00:37:40,208 --> 00:37:41,041
equally as bad.

2340
00:37:41,041 --> 00:37:42,291
Yeah. God forbid,

2341
00:37:42,291 --> 00:37:42,958
like how many

2342
00:37:42,958 --> 00:37:43,708
animals they kill

2343
00:37:43,708 --> 00:37:44,291
and as they break

2344
00:37:44,291 --> 00:37:44,791
down and

2345
00:37:44,791 --> 00:37:45,291
everything like

2346
00:37:45,291 --> 00:37:45,916
that, right? It's

2347
00:37:45,916 --> 00:37:48,291
just yeah, so it

2348
00:37:48,291 --> 00:37:49,166
saves a lot.

2349
00:37:49,666 --> 00:37:51,000
Yeah, it saves a

2350
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,041
lot. Now here's

2351
00:37:52,041 --> 00:37:52,875
the thing too is

2352
00:37:52,875 --> 00:37:53,833
that we have so

2353
00:37:53,833 --> 00:37:54,291
there's the one

2354
00:37:54,291 --> 00:37:55,000
aspect we have

2355
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,458
businesses

2356
00:37:55,458 --> 00:37:55,875
who are

2357
00:37:55,916 --> 00:37:57,125
are going to be

2358
00:37:57,125 --> 00:37:57,916
complying to

2359
00:37:57,916 --> 00:37:58,625
these hopefully,

2360
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,375
you know, they

2361
00:38:00,375 --> 00:38:01,791
better be. Yeah,

2362
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:02,416
exactly right

2363
00:38:02,416 --> 00:38:03,500
like and that's

2364
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:04,291
already started

2365
00:38:04,291 --> 00:38:04,916
to happen and

2366
00:38:04,916 --> 00:38:05,375
like you said,

2367
00:38:05,375 --> 00:38:05,916
we've see we

2368
00:38:05,916 --> 00:38:07,041
rarely see these

2369
00:38:07,041 --> 00:38:07,541
things happen

2370
00:38:07,541 --> 00:38:08,666
which is which is

2371
00:38:08,666 --> 00:38:10,208
great. The other

2372
00:38:10,208 --> 00:38:11,083
thing is on the

2373
00:38:11,083 --> 00:38:12,166
individual side.

2374
00:38:12,541 --> 00:38:13,916
I still feel as

2375
00:38:13,916 --> 00:38:14,708
though especially

2376
00:38:14,708 --> 00:38:15,875
in the last year

2377
00:38:15,875 --> 00:38:17,000
or so there's

2378
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,208
this fight back

2379
00:38:19,208 --> 00:38:20,000
against

2380
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,625
especially when

2381
00:38:21,625 --> 00:38:22,208
it comes to

2382
00:38:22,208 --> 00:38:23,208
straws like the

2383
00:38:23,208 --> 00:38:24,708
plastic straw and

2384
00:38:24,708 --> 00:38:25,750
and and you know

2385
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:25,875
the plastic straw.

2386
00:38:25,916 --> 00:38:28,916
But it feels

2387
00:38:28,916 --> 00:38:31,291
like. Is for the

2388
00:38:31,291 --> 00:38:32,208
wrong reasons you

2389
00:38:32,208 --> 00:38:32,833
know what I mean?

2390
00:38:32,833 --> 00:38:33,250
It's just like

2391
00:38:33,250 --> 00:38:33,666
it's the

2392
00:38:33,666 --> 00:38:35,208
usability of some

2393
00:38:35,208 --> 00:38:36,041
of these items

2394
00:38:36,041 --> 00:38:38,166
and so can you

2395
00:38:38,166 --> 00:38:39,375
talk a little bit

2396
00:38:39,375 --> 00:38:40,750
about the

2397
00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:41,625
behavior of

2398
00:38:41,625 --> 00:38:42,375
people and the

2399
00:38:42,375 --> 00:38:43,000
thought process

2400
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
of people? He had

2401
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:45,875
president Trump

2402
00:38:45,875 --> 00:38:46,500
come out and be

2403
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:47,500
like oh, plastic

2404
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:48,250
straws are back

2405
00:38:48,250 --> 00:38:49,041
in and blah,

2406
00:38:49,041 --> 00:38:49,625
blah, blah and

2407
00:38:49,625 --> 00:38:50,333
this and and felt

2408
00:38:50,333 --> 00:38:51,208
like people were

2409
00:38:51,208 --> 00:38:51,916
there. I've been

2410
00:38:51,916 --> 00:38:52,458
around people

2411
00:38:52,458 --> 00:38:53,041
were just like,

2412
00:38:53,041 --> 00:38:53,750
sorry, oh, sorry

2413
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:54,333
Ida, we love

2414
00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:55,375
plastic straws

2415
00:38:55,375 --> 00:38:55,875
compared to that, like, Constantin or�, you know, just because it's a wall for a male or what's going on.

2416
00:38:55,916 --> 00:38:56,375
And I'm like,

2417
00:38:56,833 --> 00:38:57,750
okay, like I

2418
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:59,250
can't really say

2419
00:38:59,250 --> 00:38:59,750
anything

2420
00:38:59,750 --> 00:39:00,291
because this is

2421
00:39:00,291 --> 00:39:00,958
what you prefer,

2422
00:39:01,333 --> 00:39:02,041
but I'm like, why

2423
00:39:02,041 --> 00:39:02,208
do you

2424
00:39:02,208 --> 00:39:02,708
need a straw?

2425
00:39:03,083 --> 00:39:03,500
A lot of times, I

2426
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:03,625
guess

2427
00:39:03,625 --> 00:39:04,250
they're not,

2428
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:04,666
they didn't need

2429
00:39:04,666 --> 00:39:05,208
one for,

2430
00:39:05,541 --> 00:39:05,791
you know,

2431
00:39:05,791 --> 00:39:06,208
because of a

2432
00:39:06,208 --> 00:39:06,833
disability or

2433
00:39:06,833 --> 00:39:07,041
anything

2434
00:39:07,041 --> 00:39:07,500
like that.

2435
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:08,291
I'm like, well,

2436
00:39:08,291 --> 00:39:08,583
I'm just like,

2437
00:39:08,583 --> 00:39:09,125
we're in a nice

2438
00:39:09,125 --> 00:39:09,708
restaurant.

2439
00:39:09,708 --> 00:39:10,000
Why would you

2440
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:10,500
need a straw?

2441
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:10,750
Why would you

2442
00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:11,375
just drink at it?

2443
00:39:11,375 --> 00:39:12,125
So, you know, I

2444
00:39:12,125 --> 00:39:12,750
put that

2445
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:13,125
in there,

2446
00:39:13,125 --> 00:39:13,750
but you can see

2447
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:14,208
it's like a

2448
00:39:14,208 --> 00:39:15,083
little bit of a,

2449
00:39:15,708 --> 00:39:16,375
not necessarily a

2450
00:39:16,375 --> 00:39:17,125
political nature,

2451
00:39:17,333 --> 00:39:17,708
but it's just

2452
00:39:17,708 --> 00:39:18,083
like this

2453
00:39:18,083 --> 00:39:18,833
behavior that

2454
00:39:18,833 --> 00:39:19,541
people have

2455
00:39:19,541 --> 00:39:20,791
being like, oh

2456
00:39:20,791 --> 00:39:21,375
no, like

2457
00:39:21,375 --> 00:39:22,000
all these,

2458
00:39:22,166 --> 00:39:22,625
some of these

2459
00:39:22,625 --> 00:39:23,416
alternatives that

2460
00:39:23,416 --> 00:39:23,583
we've

2461
00:39:23,583 --> 00:39:24,166
come up with

2462
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:24,833
instead of

2463
00:39:24,833 --> 00:39:26,583
plastic is just

2464
00:39:26,583 --> 00:39:27,458
not usable

2465
00:39:27,791 --> 00:39:28,333
or people don't

2466
00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:29,208
like the change.

2467
00:39:29,666 --> 00:39:31,208
How do we as a

2468
00:39:31,208 --> 00:39:33,250
country start to,

2469
00:39:33,541 --> 00:39:34,000
or even as

2470
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,583
individuals

2471
00:39:34,583 --> 00:39:35,416
within our own

2472
00:39:35,416 --> 00:39:36,000
friend groups

2473
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:36,666
and things like

2474
00:39:36,666 --> 00:39:36,958
that and

2475
00:39:36,958 --> 00:39:37,458
family groups,

2476
00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:38,416
how do we start

2477
00:39:38,416 --> 00:39:40,125
to encourage the

2478
00:39:40,125 --> 00:39:40,708
use of

2479
00:39:40,708 --> 00:39:41,416
alternatives

2480
00:39:41,541 --> 00:39:42,291
compared to like

2481
00:39:42,291 --> 00:39:43,333
from plastics?

2482
00:39:44,458 --> 00:39:45,291
Yeah, I think.

2483
00:39:45,916 --> 00:39:46,500
I guess this is

2484
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:46,625
more

2485
00:39:46,625 --> 00:39:47,041
psychological

2486
00:39:47,041 --> 00:39:47,500
than

2487
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:48,166
anything else.

2488
00:39:48,833 --> 00:39:50,000
Yeah, this

2489
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,541
is the thing.

2490
00:39:50,541 --> 00:39:50,958
I think you're

2491
00:39:50,958 --> 00:39:51,916
very right with

2492
00:39:51,916 --> 00:39:52,375
the first

2493
00:39:52,375 --> 00:39:53,583
question of,

2494
00:39:53,916 --> 00:39:54,666
do you actually

2495
00:39:54,666 --> 00:39:55,500
need a straw?

2496
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:55,916
And there are,

2497
00:39:55,916 --> 00:39:56,666
yes, many

2498
00:39:56,666 --> 00:39:57,000
instances

2499
00:39:57,458 --> 00:39:57,833
where someone

2500
00:39:57,833 --> 00:39:58,541
does need a straw

2501
00:39:58,541 --> 00:39:59,083
for multiple

2502
00:39:59,083 --> 00:39:59,541
different

2503
00:39:59,541 --> 00:40:00,125
reasons.

2504
00:40:00,791 --> 00:40:01,833
But for the vast

2505
00:40:01,833 --> 00:40:02,125
majority

2506
00:40:02,125 --> 00:40:02,583
of people,

2507
00:40:02,791 --> 00:40:03,583
the answer is no,

2508
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:04,458
you don't

2509
00:40:04,458 --> 00:40:04,916
need one.

2510
00:40:07,333 --> 00:40:07,958
That's the first

2511
00:40:07,958 --> 00:40:08,833
thing for sure.

2512
00:40:09,791 --> 00:40:10,458
And here's where

2513
00:40:10,458 --> 00:40:11,000
I'm gonna find

2514
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:11,541
common ground

2515
00:40:11,541 --> 00:40:12,083
with people.

2516
00:40:13,125 --> 00:40:14,041
Is a paper straw

2517
00:40:14,041 --> 00:40:14,541
the best

2518
00:40:14,541 --> 00:40:15,041
thing ever

2519
00:40:15,208 --> 00:40:16,208
for drinking an

2520
00:40:16,208 --> 00:40:16,916
iced coffee or an

2521
00:40:16,916 --> 00:40:17,458
ice cap?

2522
00:40:17,458 --> 00:40:18,041
No, it

2523
00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:19,000
gets mushy.

2524
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,375
That's fine.

2525
00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:20,750
To that, I just

2526
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:21,666
gotta say, drink

2527
00:40:21,666 --> 00:40:22,000
it a little

2528
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:22,333
quicker.

2529
00:40:22,958 --> 00:40:23,875
Yeah, yeah.

2530
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:24,541
(laughing)

2531
00:40:25,125 --> 00:40:25,708
Drink it a little

2532
00:40:25,708 --> 00:40:26,166
quicker.

2533
00:40:26,708 --> 00:40:27,375
Your iced coffee

2534
00:40:27,375 --> 00:40:28,041
is not meant to

2535
00:40:28,041 --> 00:40:28,416
be there

2536
00:40:28,416 --> 00:40:29,375
for one hour.

2537
00:40:30,291 --> 00:40:30,666
It's not supposed

2538
00:40:30,666 --> 00:40:31,208
to get warm.

2539
00:40:31,541 --> 00:40:31,916
I'll tell

2540
00:40:31,916 --> 00:40:32,208
you that.

2541
00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:32,666
It's not supposed

2542
00:40:32,666 --> 00:40:33,375
to get warm.

2543
00:40:34,750 --> 00:40:35,625
But like, this is

2544
00:40:35,625 --> 00:40:36,083
the thing

2545
00:40:36,083 --> 00:40:37,791
that is true.

2546
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:38,541
Innovation is

2547
00:40:38,541 --> 00:40:39,000
happening with

2548
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,291
everything.

2549
00:40:39,541 --> 00:40:40,875
Like you have to

2550
00:40:40,875 --> 00:40:43,666
be practical when

2551
00:40:43,666 --> 00:40:44,041
approaching

2552
00:40:44,041 --> 00:40:44,583
these things.

2553
00:40:44,625 --> 00:40:44,833
Yeah.

2554
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:46,125
Do you think the

2555
00:40:46,125 --> 00:40:46,875
first alternative

2556
00:40:46,875 --> 00:40:47,541
or substitute

2557
00:40:47,791 --> 00:40:49,041
for something is

2558
00:40:49,041 --> 00:40:49,541
going to be the

2559
00:40:49,541 --> 00:40:50,250
perfect version?

2560
00:40:50,291 --> 00:40:51,083
Right, right.

2561
00:40:51,291 --> 00:40:51,750
There's going to be

2562
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:52,875
innovation in this.

2563
00:40:53,666 --> 00:40:54,625
There are so many

2564
00:40:54,625 --> 00:40:55,208
benefits to

2565
00:40:55,208 --> 00:40:56,208
carrying your own

2566
00:40:56,208 --> 00:40:57,416
reusable straw.

2567
00:40:57,416 --> 00:40:57,958
I have seen so

2568
00:40:57,958 --> 00:40:58,750
many ads.

2569
00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:58,833
The metal straws, yeah.

2570
00:40:58,916 --> 00:40:59,416
Any little things

2571
00:40:59,416 --> 00:40:59,916
you hook onto

2572
00:40:59,916 --> 00:41:00,500
your key chain.

2573
00:41:00,916 --> 00:41:01,583
It folds out.

2574
00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:02,500
Solid metal

2575
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:03,083
straw, you

2576
00:41:03,083 --> 00:41:03,500
drink it,

2577
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:04,000
it even has a

2578
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:04,416
little cleaner,

2579
00:41:04,916 --> 00:41:05,416
you pop a bag,

2580
00:41:05,416 --> 00:41:05,833
put it away.

2581
00:41:06,041 --> 00:41:06,750
If you really

2582
00:41:06,750 --> 00:41:07,708
want one and you

2583
00:41:07,708 --> 00:41:08,541
absolutely--

2584
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:09,250
Yeah.

2585
00:41:09,250 --> 00:41:09,958
You take a straw.

2586
00:41:10,458 --> 00:41:10,708
Yeah.

2587
00:41:11,166 --> 00:41:12,041
The solutions are

2588
00:41:12,041 --> 00:41:13,000
available to you.

2589
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:13,583
And I think it's,

2590
00:41:14,625 --> 00:41:15,083
you have to

2591
00:41:15,083 --> 00:41:15,750
really weigh

2592
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:17,333
is what I'm

2593
00:41:17,333 --> 00:41:18,250
fighting for

2594
00:41:18,250 --> 00:41:19,583
worth it?

2595
00:41:19,791 --> 00:41:20,000
Right.

2596
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:22,041
Am I really going

2597
00:41:22,041 --> 00:41:22,500
to get up

2598
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:22,958
in arms?

2599
00:41:22,958 --> 00:41:23,541
Cause I want a

2600
00:41:23,541 --> 00:41:24,250
plastic straw

2601
00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:25,458
right now.

2602
00:41:26,333 --> 00:41:27,375
And I don't care

2603
00:41:27,375 --> 00:41:28,083
that this will

2604
00:41:28,083 --> 00:41:29,083
sit in a landfill

2605
00:41:29,083 --> 00:41:29,791
or go into the

2606
00:41:29,791 --> 00:41:30,500
environment for

2607
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:30,791
the next

2608
00:41:30,791 --> 00:41:31,708
200 years,

2609
00:41:32,250 --> 00:41:32,750
because I need

2610
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:33,750
something to help

2611
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:35,333
drink my drink

2612
00:41:35,541 --> 00:41:36,583
for the next six

2613
00:41:36,583 --> 00:41:37,208
minutes.

2614
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:37,500
Yeah.

2615
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:38,708
And again, there

2616
00:41:38,708 --> 00:41:39,958
is the case where

2617
00:41:39,958 --> 00:41:40,708
a lot of people,

2618
00:41:40,708 --> 00:41:41,375
it is required,

2619
00:41:41,375 --> 00:41:42,041
but again, for

2620
00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:42,791
most people,

2621
00:41:42,791 --> 00:41:43,791
this is not the

2622
00:41:43,791 --> 00:41:44,541
case for it.

2623
00:41:45,458 --> 00:41:46,416
We have to be

2624
00:41:46,416 --> 00:41:47,416
practical about,

2625
00:41:47,458 --> 00:41:48,458
is this something

2626
00:41:48,458 --> 00:41:49,666
that I want to

2627
00:41:49,666 --> 00:41:50,333
die on this hill?

2628
00:41:50,875 --> 00:41:52,083
Because it's not,

2629
00:41:52,708 --> 00:41:53,250
when you look at

2630
00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:53,583
the world

2631
00:41:53,583 --> 00:41:54,041
in the grand

2632
00:41:54,041 --> 00:41:54,833
scheme of things,

2633
00:41:55,041 --> 00:41:55,833
what is

2634
00:41:55,833 --> 00:41:56,208
happening?

2635
00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:57,416
Is this something

2636
00:41:57,416 --> 00:41:58,000
that is actually

2637
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,291
important?

2638
00:41:58,708 --> 00:41:58,916
No.

2639
00:41:59,166 --> 00:41:59,333
Yeah.

2640
00:41:59,333 --> 00:42:00,083
If I could not

2641
00:42:00,083 --> 00:42:00,875
have the straw in

2642
00:42:00,875 --> 00:42:01,208
my drink

2643
00:42:01,208 --> 00:42:01,666
right now,

2644
00:42:01,666 --> 00:42:02,208
or I can use a

2645
00:42:02,208 --> 00:42:03,375
paper straw, so

2646
00:42:03,375 --> 00:42:04,000
I'm not creating

2647
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:04,583
garbage,

2648
00:42:04,583 --> 00:42:05,041
I'm not creating

2649
00:42:05,041 --> 00:42:05,583
something that is

2650
00:42:05,583 --> 00:42:05,875
going to

2651
00:42:05,875 --> 00:42:06,708
outlive me,

2652
00:42:08,208 --> 00:42:08,708
then yeah, I

2653
00:42:08,708 --> 00:42:09,250
should do it.

2654
00:42:09,833 --> 00:42:11,416
And the nice

2655
00:42:11,416 --> 00:42:11,625
thing

2656
00:42:11,625 --> 00:42:12,500
about it is,

2657
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:14,125
when you have a

2658
00:42:14,125 --> 00:42:14,375
national

2659
00:42:14,375 --> 00:42:15,000
regulation,

2660
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:16,875
it's less like,

2661
00:42:16,875 --> 00:42:18,375
oh, it's, oh, I'm

2662
00:42:18,375 --> 00:42:18,750
making the

2663
00:42:18,750 --> 00:42:19,250
sacrifice,

2664
00:42:19,541 --> 00:42:20,000
and it's not

2665
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:20,333
having

2666
00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:20,958
any impact.

2667
00:42:21,041 --> 00:42:21,583
No, it's the

2668
00:42:21,583 --> 00:42:22,541
country is doing

2669
00:42:22,541 --> 00:42:23,500
this with you.

2670
00:42:23,708 --> 00:42:24,458
We're all in this

2671
00:42:24,458 --> 00:42:24,916
together,

2672
00:42:25,333 --> 00:42:25,833
it's going to

2673
00:42:25,833 --> 00:42:27,000
avoid hundreds of

2674
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:27,541
millions

2675
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:28,916
of single use

2676
00:42:28,916 --> 00:42:31,250
plastic straws

2677
00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:31,916
from being

2678
00:42:31,916 --> 00:42:32,375
distributed

2679
00:42:32,375 --> 00:42:33,041
in Canada.

2680
00:42:33,333 --> 00:42:33,583
Yeah.

2681
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,166
So it's, you are

2682
00:42:35,166 --> 00:42:35,708
part of this

2683
00:42:35,708 --> 00:42:36,125
collective

2684
00:42:36,125 --> 00:42:36,750
movement,

2685
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:36,916
this

2686
00:42:36,916 --> 00:42:38,166
collective change,

2687
00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:40,250
and I also think

2688
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:41,250
we live in a

2689
00:42:41,250 --> 00:42:41,500
North

2690
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:42,416
American bubble.

2691
00:42:42,833 --> 00:42:43,333
Oh, 100%.

2692
00:42:43,666 --> 00:42:44,166
I'm curious

2693
00:42:44,166 --> 00:42:45,833
around the world.

2694
00:42:45,875 --> 00:42:46,375
Oh, yeah.

2695
00:42:47,125 --> 00:42:47,500
They just don't

2696
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:48,000
do this.

2697
00:42:48,041 --> 00:42:48,875
No, it's--

2698
00:42:48,916 --> 00:42:49,791
And for me, when

2699
00:42:49,791 --> 00:42:50,541
they look to us,

2700
00:42:50,791 --> 00:42:51,416
and they see us

2701
00:42:51,416 --> 00:42:52,041
complaining about

2702
00:42:52,041 --> 00:42:52,250
it,

2703
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:52,625
they're like--

2704
00:42:53,166 --> 00:42:54,500
Yeah, for sure.

2705
00:42:55,208 --> 00:42:56,125
Is this the worst

2706
00:42:56,125 --> 00:42:56,625
thing in

2707
00:42:56,625 --> 00:42:57,208
your game?

2708
00:42:57,541 --> 00:42:58,041
Yeah, yeah,

2709
00:42:58,041 --> 00:42:58,416
exactly.

2710
00:42:59,541 --> 00:43:00,416
Yeah, I think we

2711
00:43:00,416 --> 00:43:02,666
gotta put things

2712
00:43:02,666 --> 00:43:03,458
in a perspective,

2713
00:43:04,458 --> 00:43:05,666
are the couple of

2714
00:43:05,666 --> 00:43:06,833
minutes to have

2715
00:43:06,833 --> 00:43:07,625
a, I don't know,

2716
00:43:08,458 --> 00:43:09,041
to drink my drink

2717
00:43:09,041 --> 00:43:10,125
a little bit

2718
00:43:10,125 --> 00:43:11,333
smoother,

2719
00:43:11,583 --> 00:43:12,000
it's not gonna

2720
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,250
smooth

2721
00:43:12,250 --> 00:43:12,791
their drink.

2722
00:43:13,125 --> 00:43:13,666
No, it's true.

2723
00:43:13,916 --> 00:43:14,458
And you know--

2724
00:43:14,458 --> 00:43:14,750
It's worth it,

2725
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:15,333
and it's not.

2726
00:43:15,416 --> 00:43:16,041
No, I agree.

2727
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:16,583
And there's a

2728
00:43:16,583 --> 00:43:16,875
couple of

2729
00:43:16,875 --> 00:43:17,500
arguments that I

2730
00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:18,166
always have back

2731
00:43:18,166 --> 00:43:18,916
at it, not like

2732
00:43:18,916 --> 00:43:20,250
going at them,

2733
00:43:20,250 --> 00:43:20,458
but I'm

2734
00:43:20,458 --> 00:43:20,958
just like,

2735
00:43:20,958 --> 00:43:21,625
well, why, like I

2736
00:43:21,625 --> 00:43:22,333
always ask like,

2737
00:43:22,333 --> 00:43:23,083
why do you

2738
00:43:23,083 --> 00:43:23,541
need a straw?

2739
00:43:23,833 --> 00:43:24,083
You know, like

2740
00:43:24,083 --> 00:43:24,791
you said, like,

2741
00:43:24,791 --> 00:43:25,750
why are you using

2742
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:26,166
this straw?

2743
00:43:26,416 --> 00:43:27,000
Like I understand

2744
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:27,791
like the paper

2745
00:43:27,791 --> 00:43:28,541
straw may not be

2746
00:43:28,541 --> 00:43:29,541
the greatest, but

2747
00:43:29,541 --> 00:43:30,250
why are you using

2748
00:43:30,250 --> 00:43:30,958
a straw in

2749
00:43:30,958 --> 00:43:31,500
general?

2750
00:43:31,791 --> 00:43:32,125
And then they'll

2751
00:43:32,125 --> 00:43:32,666
be like, oh, I

2752
00:43:32,666 --> 00:43:33,083
need to,

2753
00:43:33,083 --> 00:43:33,583
because a drink,

2754
00:43:33,583 --> 00:43:34,750
or most of

2755
00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:35,125
the time,

2756
00:43:35,125 --> 00:43:35,291
because I've

2757
00:43:35,291 --> 00:43:35,916
never come across

2758
00:43:35,916 --> 00:43:36,333
anybody,

2759
00:43:36,333 --> 00:43:36,750
not that there

2760
00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:37,166
aren't, but I

2761
00:43:37,166 --> 00:43:37,791
never come across

2762
00:43:37,791 --> 00:43:38,333
anybody,

2763
00:43:38,333 --> 00:43:39,500
like in my group

2764
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:40,375
of people that

2765
00:43:40,375 --> 00:43:41,083
I've seen that

2766
00:43:41,083 --> 00:43:41,625
need one,

2767
00:43:41,708 --> 00:43:42,541
I'm just like,

2768
00:43:42,541 --> 00:43:42,875
would you end a

2769
00:43:42,875 --> 00:43:43,250
lot of the

2770
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:43,458
arguments,

2771
00:43:43,666 --> 00:43:44,000
like, well, I

2772
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:44,458
don't know how

2773
00:43:44,458 --> 00:43:46,375
clean the cup

2774
00:43:46,375 --> 00:43:46,666
that I'm

2775
00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:47,250
drinking out of,

2776
00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:47,583
like say in a

2777
00:43:47,583 --> 00:43:48,041
restaurant, I'm

2778
00:43:48,041 --> 00:43:48,958
like, if you

2779
00:43:48,958 --> 00:43:50,291
don't know if

2780
00:43:50,291 --> 00:43:50,750
that cup

2781
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:51,333
is clean,

2782
00:43:52,625 --> 00:43:53,500
you shouldn't be

2783
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:54,416
at this

2784
00:43:54,416 --> 00:43:55,125
restaurant if

2785
00:43:55,125 --> 00:43:55,375
you're

2786
00:43:55,375 --> 00:43:55,833
questioning,

2787
00:43:56,125 --> 00:43:56,750
especially in our

2788
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:57,166
society,

2789
00:43:57,458 --> 00:43:58,291
like in Canada,

2790
00:43:58,791 --> 00:43:59,791
we have certain

2791
00:43:59,791 --> 00:44:01,625
health laws, you

2792
00:44:01,625 --> 00:44:02,208
know, that the

2793
00:44:02,208 --> 00:44:02,750
restaurants have

2794
00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:03,250
to come,

2795
00:44:03,250 --> 00:44:03,875
like, I'm not

2796
00:44:03,875 --> 00:44:04,416
saying it's gonna

2797
00:44:04,416 --> 00:44:04,958
be the cleanest,

2798
00:44:04,958 --> 00:44:05,291
but these go

2799
00:44:05,291 --> 00:44:06,291
through very hot

2800
00:44:06,291 --> 00:44:06,916
dishwashers.

2801
00:44:07,125 --> 00:44:07,708
And like, if

2802
00:44:07,708 --> 00:44:08,291
you've ever been

2803
00:44:08,291 --> 00:44:08,875
like, I've worked

2804
00:44:08,875 --> 00:44:09,500
at a restaurant,

2805
00:44:09,541 --> 00:44:10,166
you know not to

2806
00:44:10,166 --> 00:44:10,333
burn

2807
00:44:10,333 --> 00:44:11,166
yourself on these,

2808
00:44:11,541 --> 00:44:12,250
on the stuff that

2809
00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:12,750
comes out of a

2810
00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:13,083
dishwasher,

2811
00:44:13,125 --> 00:44:13,833
because it's so

2812
00:44:13,833 --> 00:44:14,458
hot, because they

2813
00:44:14,458 --> 00:44:15,083
have to do

2814
00:44:15,083 --> 00:44:15,708
certain things

2815
00:44:15,708 --> 00:44:16,125
and stuff

2816
00:44:16,125 --> 00:44:16,625
like that.

2817
00:44:16,625 --> 00:44:17,416
So I feel like

2818
00:44:17,416 --> 00:44:17,875
there's a good

2819
00:44:17,875 --> 00:44:18,666
conversation to

2820
00:44:18,666 --> 00:44:19,166
have out

2821
00:44:19,166 --> 00:44:19,541
of those.

2822
00:44:19,541 --> 00:44:19,875
And a lot of

2823
00:44:19,875 --> 00:44:20,958
times I engage in

2824
00:44:20,958 --> 00:44:21,083
those

2825
00:44:21,083 --> 00:44:21,583
conversations,

2826
00:44:21,791 --> 00:44:22,375
just being like,

2827
00:44:22,375 --> 00:44:23,208
what are you

2828
00:44:23,208 --> 00:44:24,000
using it for?

2829
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:24,625
Or why are you

2830
00:44:24,625 --> 00:44:25,166
using it?

2831
00:44:25,166 --> 00:44:25,500
You know, and a

2832
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:26,333
lot of times it's

2833
00:44:26,333 --> 00:44:26,958
the only

2834
00:44:26,958 --> 00:44:27,291
alternative,

2835
00:44:27,541 --> 00:44:27,958
like, actually,

2836
00:44:27,958 --> 00:44:28,500
it's not, you

2837
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:28,875
know, like when

2838
00:44:28,875 --> 00:44:29,125
they go

2839
00:44:29,125 --> 00:44:29,625
to like a,

2840
00:44:29,875 --> 00:44:30,333
so let me ask you

2841
00:44:30,333 --> 00:44:31,041
this actually is,

2842
00:44:31,416 --> 00:44:31,875
you go to

2843
00:44:31,875 --> 00:44:32,125
Starbucks,

2844
00:44:32,666 --> 00:44:32,875
you know, it's

2845
00:44:32,875 --> 00:44:33,500
very big with

2846
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:34,083
teenagers, I have

2847
00:44:34,083 --> 00:44:34,541
two teenage

2848
00:44:34,541 --> 00:44:34,875
daughters.

2849
00:44:35,291 --> 00:44:35,833
So when you go to

2850
00:44:35,833 --> 00:44:36,375
Starbucks, you

2851
00:44:36,375 --> 00:44:37,083
know, my two

2852
00:44:37,083 --> 00:44:37,625
teenage daughters

2853
00:44:37,625 --> 00:44:38,291
love Starbucks.

2854
00:44:38,291 --> 00:44:38,875
It's like the

2855
00:44:38,875 --> 00:44:40,083
thing to do in

2856
00:44:40,083 --> 00:44:40,625
their friend

2857
00:44:40,625 --> 00:44:41,208
groups, right?

2858
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:42,416
In Burlington,

2859
00:44:42,416 --> 00:44:44,208
Ontario, every

2860
00:44:44,208 --> 00:44:45,250
cup that comes

2861
00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:45,750
out of there,

2862
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:46,125
unless you're

2863
00:44:46,125 --> 00:44:46,458
using a

2864
00:44:46,458 --> 00:44:46,708
reasonable

2865
00:44:46,708 --> 00:44:47,291
bottle, which a

2866
00:44:47,291 --> 00:44:47,500
lot of

2867
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:48,250
them do now,

2868
00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:48,958
because I've got

2869
00:44:48,958 --> 00:44:49,666
them to use it,

2870
00:44:50,625 --> 00:44:51,375
they will have a

2871
00:44:51,375 --> 00:44:51,958
plastic cup,

2872
00:44:51,958 --> 00:44:52,833
because they don't carry it

2873
00:44:52,833 --> 00:44:53,166
all the

2874
00:44:53,166 --> 00:44:53,958
time around.

2875
00:44:54,583 --> 00:44:55,500
Is that plastic

2876
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:57,416
legal or illegal?

2877
00:44:58,708 --> 00:44:59,708
Generally, the

2878
00:44:59,708 --> 00:44:59,916
Starbucks.

2879
00:45:00,791 --> 00:45:01,000
So you mean like a plastic lining,

2880
00:45:01,375 --> 00:45:01,791
or do you mean

2881
00:45:01,791 --> 00:45:02,250
the reusable

2882
00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:03,166
plastic cup?

2883
00:45:03,208 --> 00:45:03,791
Not the reusable,

2884
00:45:03,791 --> 00:45:04,500
sorry, not the,

2885
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:05,458
so if you go and

2886
00:45:05,458 --> 00:45:06,708
get like a latte,

2887
00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:07,375
I don't drink

2888
00:45:07,375 --> 00:45:08,208
coffee or I don't

2889
00:45:08,208 --> 00:45:08,833
go to Starbucks,

2890
00:45:08,833 --> 00:45:09,833
but if you order

2891
00:45:09,833 --> 00:45:10,416
just a drink,

2892
00:45:10,416 --> 00:45:11,625
even like a fruit

2893
00:45:11,625 --> 00:45:12,458
drink from there,

2894
00:45:12,708 --> 00:45:13,500
it comes in like

2895
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:14,541
a plastic cup

2896
00:45:14,541 --> 00:45:15,000
with a

2897
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:15,833
plastic cap.

2898
00:45:15,833 --> 00:45:16,541
Oh, like the iced

2899
00:45:16,541 --> 00:45:17,083
coffee cup.

2900
00:45:17,125 --> 00:45:17,875
Yeah, yeah,

2901
00:45:17,958 --> 00:45:18,291
yeah, yeah.

2902
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,541
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2903
00:45:19,791 --> 00:45:20,416
Like, are those

2904
00:45:20,416 --> 00:45:21,125
illegal? Are

2905
00:45:21,125 --> 00:45:21,958
those like in

2906
00:45:21,958 --> 00:45:23,250
this ban or are

2907
00:45:23,250 --> 00:45:23,625
those

2908
00:45:23,625 --> 00:45:24,625
part of the,

2909
00:45:24,625 --> 00:45:25,125
like, is that

2910
00:45:25,125 --> 00:45:25,666
like an

2911
00:45:25,666 --> 00:45:26,666
exception or not?

2912
00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:27,125
No, no, they're

2913
00:45:27,125 --> 00:45:27,791
illegal because

2914
00:45:27,791 --> 00:45:29,375
the ban

2915
00:45:29,375 --> 00:45:30,250
specifically

2916
00:45:30,250 --> 00:45:31,875
outlines for like

2917
00:45:31,875 --> 00:45:32,500
takeaway items,

2918
00:45:32,666 --> 00:45:33,375
like cups and

2919
00:45:33,375 --> 00:45:34,250
lids, it lists

2920
00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:35,291
certain types of

2921
00:45:35,291 --> 00:45:35,750
plastic.

2922
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:36,208
Okay.

2923
00:45:36,375 --> 00:45:36,958
Non recyclable

2924
00:45:36,958 --> 00:45:37,458
things like

2925
00:45:37,458 --> 00:45:38,583
polystyrene,

2926
00:45:38,583 --> 00:45:39,291
styrofoam.

2927
00:45:39,333 --> 00:45:39,666
Gotcha.

2928
00:45:40,375 --> 00:45:40,875
Just things that

2929
00:45:40,875 --> 00:45:41,833
are, if it has

2930
00:45:41,833 --> 00:45:43,083
black pigment in

2931
00:45:43,083 --> 00:45:43,875
it, because black

2932
00:45:43,875 --> 00:45:44,541
plastic just

2933
00:45:44,541 --> 00:45:45,041
doesn't get

2934
00:45:45,041 --> 00:45:45,500
recycled,

2935
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:46,291
the machine, the

2936
00:45:46,291 --> 00:45:46,833
infrastructure we

2937
00:45:46,833 --> 00:45:47,416
have can't

2938
00:45:47,416 --> 00:45:47,958
recognize it,

2939
00:45:47,958 --> 00:45:48,375
it'll just go

2940
00:45:48,375 --> 00:45:48,666
right to

2941
00:45:48,666 --> 00:45:49,250
landfill.

2942
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:49,541
Okay.

2943
00:45:50,166 --> 00:45:51,208
But no, you can

2944
00:45:51,208 --> 00:45:52,375
have, you can

2945
00:45:52,375 --> 00:45:53,291
have that solid

2946
00:45:53,291 --> 00:45:54,208
clear plastic

2947
00:45:54,208 --> 00:45:56,333
cup, because they

2948
00:45:56,333 --> 00:45:57,083
have changed the

2949
00:45:57,083 --> 00:45:57,583
material.

2950
00:45:57,875 --> 00:45:58,083
Okay.

2951
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:58,666
In a lot of

2952
00:45:58,666 --> 00:45:59,333
instances, they

2953
00:45:59,333 --> 00:46:00,041
moved it over to

2954
00:46:00,041 --> 00:46:00,708
polypropylene

2955
00:46:00,708 --> 00:46:02,166
or PET.

2956
00:46:02,791 --> 00:46:03,166
Okay.

2957
00:46:03,166 --> 00:46:03,583
The same stuff

2958
00:46:03,583 --> 00:46:06,500
that the pop

2959
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:07,125
bottles and water

2960
00:46:07,125 --> 00:46:07,708
bottles are made

2961
00:46:07,708 --> 00:46:08,291
out of, because

2962
00:46:08,291 --> 00:46:10,083
that's the most

2963
00:46:10,083 --> 00:46:11,208
recoverable of

2964
00:46:11,208 --> 00:46:12,541
recycled plastic.

2965
00:46:13,791 --> 00:46:14,458
You see a little

2966
00:46:14,458 --> 00:46:15,666
bit clearer data

2967
00:46:15,666 --> 00:46:17,250
on that one. We

2968
00:46:17,250 --> 00:46:18,375
are, the more and

2969
00:46:18,375 --> 00:46:18,791
more research

2970
00:46:18,791 --> 00:46:19,791
looks into this,

2971
00:46:19,791 --> 00:46:20,458
the more problems

2972
00:46:20,458 --> 00:46:21,250
we seem to find.

2973
00:46:21,291 --> 00:46:21,500
Right.

2974
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:22,500
With any form of

2975
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:23,166
recycling for

2976
00:46:23,166 --> 00:46:23,541
plastics.

2977
00:46:23,791 --> 00:46:24,000
Right.

2978
00:46:24,375 --> 00:46:26,333
But it's really

2979
00:46:26,333 --> 00:46:26,791
interesting that

2980
00:46:26,791 --> 00:46:27,083
you mentioned

2981
00:46:27,083 --> 00:46:27,583
Starbucks

2982
00:46:27,583 --> 00:46:28,375
specifically,

2983
00:46:28,375 --> 00:46:28,916
because they have

2984
00:46:28,916 --> 00:46:29,416
actually now

2985
00:46:29,416 --> 00:46:30,000
enacted a

2986
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:30,958
corporate policy,

2987
00:46:32,041 --> 00:46:32,708
where when you go

2988
00:46:32,708 --> 00:46:33,500
to Starbucks, if

2989
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:35,208
you're having

2990
00:46:35,208 --> 00:46:35,666
your order

2991
00:46:35,666 --> 00:46:36,208
for here,

2992
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:37,708
It has to.

2993
00:46:38,333 --> 00:46:38,791
The staff are

2994
00:46:38,791 --> 00:46:40,041
supposed to, and

2995
00:46:40,041 --> 00:46:40,708
they're still in

2996
00:46:40,708 --> 00:46:41,708
the process of

2997
00:46:41,708 --> 00:46:42,291
learning this,

2998
00:46:42,291 --> 00:46:42,708
and I think this

2999
00:46:42,708 --> 00:46:43,250
is where

3000
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:44,708
citizens and

3001
00:46:44,708 --> 00:46:45,708
consumers can

3002
00:46:45,708 --> 00:46:47,416
step up. And if

3003
00:46:47,416 --> 00:46:48,250
the staff don't

3004
00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:48,916
ask for here to

3005
00:46:48,916 --> 00:46:49,500
go, you

3006
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:50,083
tell them,

3007
00:46:50,416 --> 00:46:50,750
"Oh, you're

3008
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:51,250
supposed to ask

3009
00:46:51,250 --> 00:46:51,583
me for

3010
00:46:51,583 --> 00:46:52,250
here to go."

3011
00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:53,041
Right, right.

3012
00:46:53,625 --> 00:46:54,208
My orders for

3013
00:46:54,208 --> 00:46:55,083
here, I wanted a

3014
00:46:55,083 --> 00:46:56,125
mug. I wanted a

3015
00:46:56,125 --> 00:46:57,125
glass. I want my

3016
00:46:57,125 --> 00:46:57,916
order on a plate.

3017
00:46:58,416 --> 00:46:58,833
Because

3018
00:46:58,833 --> 00:46:59,541
Starbucks' new

3019
00:46:59,541 --> 00:47:00,500
policy is that

3020
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:01,416
they want to make

3021
00:47:01,416 --> 00:47:01,958
their

3022
00:47:01,958 --> 00:47:03,458
cafes again.

3023
00:47:03,916 --> 00:47:03,958
Gotcha.

3024
00:47:03,958 --> 00:47:04,500
They wanted more

3025
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:05,916
lounges. They saw

3026
00:47:05,916 --> 00:47:06,708
that they were

3027
00:47:06,708 --> 00:47:08,333
charging a lot of

3028
00:47:08,333 --> 00:47:08,875
money for a

3029
00:47:08,875 --> 00:47:09,625
coffee when it's

3030
00:47:09,625 --> 00:47:10,208
just looking like

3031
00:47:10,208 --> 00:47:10,541
a fast

3032
00:47:10,541 --> 00:47:11,125
food joint.

3033
00:47:11,583 --> 00:47:12,375
That's the

3034
00:47:12,375 --> 00:47:13,166
reality of it.

3035
00:47:13,166 --> 00:47:13,916
It's a fast food

3036
00:47:13,916 --> 00:47:15,333
joint with green

3037
00:47:15,333 --> 00:47:16,083
couches and

3038
00:47:16,083 --> 00:47:16,791
wooden floors.

3039
00:47:17,916 --> 00:47:18,750
But it's still

3040
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:19,250
getting served

3041
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:20,000
the same quality

3042
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:20,458
and all just

3043
00:47:20,458 --> 00:47:20,875
garbage.

3044
00:47:21,333 --> 00:47:21,583
Right.

3045
00:47:21,958 --> 00:47:23,041
Because everything, those

3046
00:47:23,041 --> 00:47:23,583
cups are not

3047
00:47:23,583 --> 00:47:24,166
recyclable.

3048
00:47:24,166 --> 00:47:24,458
They're just

3049
00:47:24,458 --> 00:47:24,833
going right to

3050
00:47:24,833 --> 00:47:25,208
the trash.

3051
00:47:25,791 --> 00:47:26,750
So they've

3052
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:27,083
actually made

3053
00:47:27,083 --> 00:47:27,791
this policy where

3054
00:47:27,791 --> 00:47:28,458
it's reducible,

3055
00:47:28,708 --> 00:47:29,375
which I think is

3056
00:47:29,375 --> 00:47:30,958
an excellent

3057
00:47:30,958 --> 00:47:31,666
corporate policy.

3058
00:47:31,708 --> 00:47:32,125
Absolutely.

3059
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:33,916
I will 100% give

3060
00:47:33,916 --> 00:47:34,166
them their

3061
00:47:34,166 --> 00:47:34,958
flowers for that.

3062
00:47:35,625 --> 00:47:36,000
Yeah. Because there are

3063
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:36,625
so many

3064
00:47:36,625 --> 00:47:37,208
restaurants,

3065
00:47:37,875 --> 00:47:38,541
McDonald's,

3066
00:47:38,541 --> 00:47:40,333
Burger King. Even

3067
00:47:40,333 --> 00:47:41,083
if you go to the

3068
00:47:41,083 --> 00:47:41,583
kiosk at the

3069
00:47:41,583 --> 00:47:42,041
front desk and

3070
00:47:42,041 --> 00:47:42,375
you save my

3071
00:47:42,375 --> 00:47:43,000
orders for here,

3072
00:47:43,291 --> 00:47:43,958
they're giving it

3073
00:47:43,958 --> 00:47:45,208
to you in a bag,

3074
00:47:45,416 --> 00:47:45,833
in takeout

3075
00:47:45,833 --> 00:47:46,750
containers that

3076
00:47:46,750 --> 00:47:47,166
used to be

3077
00:47:47,166 --> 00:47:47,708
on a plate.

3078
00:47:47,708 --> 00:47:47,791
Yeah.

3079
00:47:47,833 --> 00:47:48,000
They just

3080
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:48,458
have a tray.

3081
00:47:48,708 --> 00:47:49,000
Yeah.

3082
00:47:49,166 --> 00:47:49,583
They just

3083
00:47:49,583 --> 00:47:50,208
completely

3084
00:47:50,208 --> 00:47:51,291
abandoned it. And

3085
00:47:51,291 --> 00:47:52,375
please tell me

3086
00:47:52,375 --> 00:47:52,916
the last time

3087
00:47:52,916 --> 00:47:53,291
you've been in

3088
00:47:53,291 --> 00:47:53,916
McDonald's and

3089
00:47:53,916 --> 00:47:54,458
there hasn't been

3090
00:47:54,458 --> 00:47:55,791
trash all over

3091
00:47:55,791 --> 00:47:56,333
the floor

3092
00:47:56,333 --> 00:47:57,500
overflowing from

3093
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:58,000
the bins.

3094
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:58,500
Yeah.

3095
00:47:58,541 --> 00:47:59,458
There should be

3096
00:47:59,458 --> 00:48:01,750
no garbage at a

3097
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:03,000
onsite garbage

3098
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,583
for a restaurant

3099
00:48:04,583 --> 00:48:05,208
or a cafe.

3100
00:48:05,458 --> 00:48:06,250
That's crazy.

3101
00:48:06,583 --> 00:48:07,041
They make a lot

3102
00:48:07,041 --> 00:48:07,625
of garbage in the

3103
00:48:07,625 --> 00:48:08,333
back of the

3104
00:48:08,333 --> 00:48:09,000
house, but the

3105
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:09,500
front of the

3106
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:11,000
house should at

3107
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,625
best have paper

3108
00:48:13,625 --> 00:48:15,375
straws, napkins.

3109
00:48:15,416 --> 00:48:15,500
Yeah.

3110
00:48:15,666 --> 00:48:16,208
That's it.

3111
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:16,666
Yeah.

3112
00:48:17,125 --> 00:48:17,375
Everything else

3113
00:48:17,375 --> 00:48:17,708
should be a

3114
00:48:17,708 --> 00:48:18,083
reusable

3115
00:48:18,083 --> 00:48:19,208
container and

3116
00:48:19,208 --> 00:48:20,375
then that's it.

3117
00:48:20,583 --> 00:48:21,083
Food waste.

3118
00:48:21,125 --> 00:48:22,750
The drinking

3119
00:48:22,750 --> 00:48:23,500
containers drive

3120
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:24,583
me nuts at any of

3121
00:48:24,583 --> 00:48:24,791
those

3122
00:48:24,791 --> 00:48:25,500
restaurants, like

3123
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:26,000
at any of those

3124
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:26,833
fast food places.

3125
00:48:27,250 --> 00:48:27,791
Like if you're

3126
00:48:27,791 --> 00:48:28,583
going to stay in,

3127
00:48:28,583 --> 00:48:29,291
just give me like

3128
00:48:29,291 --> 00:48:30,291
a regular cup and

3129
00:48:30,291 --> 00:48:30,916
just wash it in

3130
00:48:30,916 --> 00:48:31,333
the back,

3131
00:48:31,333 --> 00:48:31,666
you know.

3132
00:48:32,041 --> 00:48:32,708
And when you go

3133
00:48:32,708 --> 00:48:33,250
to the waste

3134
00:48:33,250 --> 00:48:34,583
bins, they have

3135
00:48:34,583 --> 00:48:35,541
these sorting

3136
00:48:35,541 --> 00:48:36,500
stations that

3137
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:38,375
say, "Cups, lids,

3138
00:48:38,791 --> 00:48:39,291
recyclable

3139
00:48:39,291 --> 00:48:39,958
garbage."

3140
00:48:39,958 --> 00:48:41,333
And it's one big

3141
00:48:41,333 --> 00:48:41,750
bin at

3142
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:42,250
the bottom.

3143
00:48:42,583 --> 00:48:42,666
Yeah.

3144
00:48:43,375 --> 00:48:46,625
It is such a

3145
00:48:46,625 --> 00:48:48,416
thing. I really

3146
00:48:48,416 --> 00:48:49,375
hate this thing

3147
00:48:49,375 --> 00:48:49,791
that businesses

3148
00:48:49,791 --> 00:48:51,583
do where you feel

3149
00:48:51,583 --> 00:48:52,375
gotch'ed.

3150
00:48:52,375 --> 00:48:52,666
Yeah.

3151
00:48:53,333 --> 00:48:54,500
Just do the right

3152
00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:55,083
thing. And I

3153
00:48:55,083 --> 00:48:55,625
think this is

3154
00:48:55,625 --> 00:48:56,500
also like a huge

3155
00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:57,125
signal, not just

3156
00:48:57,125 --> 00:48:57,916
from government,

3157
00:48:57,916 --> 00:48:58,500
that they are

3158
00:48:58,500 --> 00:48:59,416
trying to take

3159
00:48:59,416 --> 00:48:59,916
action against

3160
00:48:59,916 --> 00:49:00,166
plastic

3161
00:49:00,166 --> 00:49:00,625
pollution.

3162
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,583
Consumers do not

3163
00:49:02,583 --> 00:49:03,500
like being lied

3164
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:04,500
to point blank.

3165
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:04,833
For sure.

3166
00:49:05,166 --> 00:49:05,916
No matter what

3167
00:49:05,916 --> 00:49:06,375
your political

3168
00:49:06,375 --> 00:49:07,375
affiliation is,

3169
00:49:07,375 --> 00:49:07,750
whether you care

3170
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:08,000
about the

3171
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:08,583
environment or

3172
00:49:08,583 --> 00:49:09,125
not, whether you

3173
00:49:09,125 --> 00:49:09,458
care about your

3174
00:49:09,458 --> 00:49:09,750
own human

3175
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:10,500
health or not.

3176
00:49:10,583 --> 00:49:10,833
Yeah.

3177
00:49:11,083 --> 00:49:11,416
Whether you care

3178
00:49:11,416 --> 00:49:12,041
about plastic or

3179
00:49:12,041 --> 00:49:12,500
not, or you hate

3180
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:13,166
the paper straw

3181
00:49:13,166 --> 00:49:14,958
or not, I don't

3182
00:49:14,958 --> 00:49:15,583
know a single

3183
00:49:15,583 --> 00:49:16,500
person that loves

3184
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:17,583
getting lied to.

3185
00:49:17,583 --> 00:49:18,125
No, absolutely.

3186
00:49:18,125 --> 00:49:18,833
And this is the

3187
00:49:18,833 --> 00:49:19,750
thing that they

3188
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:20,875
are telling the

3189
00:49:20,875 --> 00:49:21,541
businesses are

3190
00:49:21,541 --> 00:49:23,208
kind of pushing,

3191
00:49:23,208 --> 00:49:23,500
"Oh, we're going

3192
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:24,208
to recycle it if

3193
00:49:24,208 --> 00:49:24,875
you put it in

3194
00:49:24,875 --> 00:49:25,333
this bin."

3195
00:49:25,708 --> 00:49:26,916
It's not. So why

3196
00:49:26,916 --> 00:49:27,541
not just give me

3197
00:49:27,541 --> 00:49:27,958
the solution

3198
00:49:27,958 --> 00:49:28,791
that works?

3199
00:49:28,833 --> 00:49:29,000
Yeah.

3200
00:49:29,416 --> 00:49:30,000
And this is why

3201
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:30,708
at Oceana, we

3202
00:49:30,708 --> 00:49:32,666
always go with

3203
00:49:32,666 --> 00:49:33,541
this motto that

3204
00:49:33,541 --> 00:49:34,708
like, "Reuse

3205
00:49:34,708 --> 00:49:35,916
works. Recycling

3206
00:49:35,916 --> 00:49:36,250
will not

3207
00:49:36,250 --> 00:49:36,875
save us."

3208
00:49:36,916 --> 00:49:37,166
Yeah.

3209
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:39,000
And all this talk

3210
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,750
about we need to

3211
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:40,375
build more

3212
00:49:40,375 --> 00:49:41,000
infrastructure

3213
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,541
and innovate a

3214
00:49:42,541 --> 00:49:43,166
new way of

3215
00:49:43,166 --> 00:49:44,250
recycling and

3216
00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:45,000
invest hundreds

3217
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,375
of millions of

3218
00:49:46,375 --> 00:49:47,000
dollars in

3219
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:47,916
facilities that

3220
00:49:47,916 --> 00:49:48,791
have never been

3221
00:49:48,791 --> 00:49:49,625
proven to work.

3222
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:50,791
When we could

3223
00:49:50,791 --> 00:49:52,208
just look back 50

3224
00:49:52,208 --> 00:49:53,333
years, what did

3225
00:49:53,333 --> 00:49:54,791
work? When we had

3226
00:49:54,791 --> 00:49:55,708
refill and reuse,

3227
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,416
when we had

3228
00:49:56,416 --> 00:49:57,541
de-packaged

3229
00:49:57,541 --> 00:49:59,250
items, everything

3230
00:49:59,250 --> 00:49:59,750
didn't need to

3231
00:49:59,750 --> 00:50:01,000
come wrapped in.

3232
00:50:01,083 --> 00:50:01,583
Single-use

3233
00:50:01,583 --> 00:50:01,958
plastic

3234
00:50:01,958 --> 00:50:03,000
bags or film.

3235
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:04,583
And it gave

3236
00:50:04,583 --> 00:50:05,500
people so much

3237
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:06,333
freedom and

3238
00:50:06,333 --> 00:50:06,833
variety.

3239
00:50:07,666 --> 00:50:09,208
I do not need to

3240
00:50:09,208 --> 00:50:11,833
cook 100 Brussels

3241
00:50:11,833 --> 00:50:12,708
sprouts when you

3242
00:50:12,708 --> 00:50:13,083
go to the

3243
00:50:13,083 --> 00:50:13,750
grocery store.

3244
00:50:14,041 --> 00:50:14,875
I really want to

3245
00:50:14,875 --> 00:50:15,375
cook them for

3246
00:50:15,375 --> 00:50:15,958
maybe today and

3247
00:50:15,958 --> 00:50:16,750
tomorrow. Let me

3248
00:50:16,750 --> 00:50:17,375
grab two little

3249
00:50:17,375 --> 00:50:18,208
handfuls and a

3250
00:50:18,208 --> 00:50:18,541
little brown

3251
00:50:18,541 --> 00:50:19,250
paper bag.

3252
00:50:19,833 --> 00:50:20,541
Because the thing

3253
00:50:20,541 --> 00:50:21,083
that's going to

3254
00:50:21,083 --> 00:50:21,958
lead to food

3255
00:50:21,958 --> 00:50:23,875
waste is not the

3256
00:50:23,875 --> 00:50:24,375
packaging.

3257
00:50:24,958 --> 00:50:26,000
It's my inability

3258
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,250
to self-select

3259
00:50:27,250 --> 00:50:28,333
how much food I

3260
00:50:28,333 --> 00:50:28,416
want to buy.

3261
00:50:28,458 --> 00:50:29,916
Oh my gosh. Yes.

3262
00:50:30,208 --> 00:50:30,625
You need some

3263
00:50:30,625 --> 00:50:31,125
frustrating

3264
00:50:31,125 --> 00:50:31,958
to see.

3265
00:50:32,458 --> 00:50:32,833
The grocery

3266
00:50:32,833 --> 00:50:34,250
stores that they

3267
00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:35,375
are incentivizing

3268
00:50:35,375 --> 00:50:36,583
you to buy these

3269
00:50:36,583 --> 00:50:37,291
large packages

3270
00:50:37,291 --> 00:50:37,791
where it's just

3271
00:50:37,791 --> 00:50:38,333
going to rot.

3272
00:50:38,375 --> 00:50:39,500
It's the amount

3273
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:40,250
of stuff that we

3274
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:40,833
end up throwing

3275
00:50:40,833 --> 00:50:41,583
out as a family

3276
00:50:41,583 --> 00:50:42,791
of four is

3277
00:50:42,791 --> 00:50:43,375
ridiculous.

3278
00:50:44,125 --> 00:50:44,541
And let me ask

3279
00:50:44,541 --> 00:50:45,791
you, I mean, this

3280
00:50:45,791 --> 00:50:46,291
is completely

3281
00:50:46,291 --> 00:50:46,958
anecdotal.

3282
00:50:47,375 --> 00:50:47,541
Yeah.

3283
00:50:48,166 --> 00:50:48,916
Scientific fact.

3284
00:50:48,916 --> 00:50:49,125
Of course.

3285
00:50:49,833 --> 00:50:50,458
Those things that

3286
00:50:50,458 --> 00:50:51,666
go bad, are they

3287
00:50:51,666 --> 00:50:52,125
things that you

3288
00:50:52,125 --> 00:50:53,208
bought loose or

3289
00:50:53,208 --> 00:50:53,625
are they things

3290
00:50:53,625 --> 00:50:54,208
that you bought

3291
00:50:54,208 --> 00:50:55,000
in bags?

3292
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:55,541
All in bags.

3293
00:50:56,375 --> 00:50:57,375
And that's the

3294
00:50:57,375 --> 00:50:57,833
reality.

3295
00:50:58,291 --> 00:51:00,041
Yeah. So many papers

3296
00:51:00,041 --> 00:51:00,750
and research has

3297
00:51:00,750 --> 00:51:02,000
shown that the

3298
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:02,416
biggest thing

3299
00:51:02,416 --> 00:51:02,875
leading to food

3300
00:51:02,875 --> 00:51:03,458
waste is one, the

3301
00:51:03,458 --> 00:51:03,791
fact that our

3302
00:51:03,791 --> 00:51:04,000
fridge is

3303
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:04,791
so big now.

3304
00:51:04,833 --> 00:51:05,041
Yeah.

3305
00:51:05,416 --> 00:51:06,541
It's the fact

3306
00:51:06,541 --> 00:51:07,250
that our fridge

3307
00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:08,125
is so big and we

3308
00:51:08,125 --> 00:51:09,125
are buying in

3309
00:51:09,125 --> 00:51:10,291
bags and like

3310
00:51:10,291 --> 00:51:11,125
these giant,

3311
00:51:11,458 --> 00:51:12,208
like weird.

3312
00:51:14,458 --> 00:51:15,041
It's almost like

3313
00:51:15,041 --> 00:51:15,500
we're losing

3314
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:16,125
autonomy.

3315
00:51:16,458 --> 00:51:16,708
100%.

3316
00:51:17,083 --> 00:51:17,958
What we can pick

3317
00:51:17,958 --> 00:51:18,583
at the

3318
00:51:18,583 --> 00:51:19,541
grocery store.

3319
00:51:19,541 --> 00:51:19,750
Yep.

3320
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:20,958
And in this time

3321
00:51:20,958 --> 00:51:22,541
of cost of living

3322
00:51:22,541 --> 00:51:23,583
crises and we

3323
00:51:23,583 --> 00:51:24,000
want to be able

3324
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,083
to like guard our

3325
00:51:25,083 --> 00:51:25,791
wallet as much as

3326
00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:26,041
possible.

3327
00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:27,000
And we want to be

3328
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:27,375
able to make

3329
00:51:27,375 --> 00:51:29,791
smart sustainable

3330
00:51:29,791 --> 00:51:30,666
decisions, not

3331
00:51:30,666 --> 00:51:31,333
just for like the

3332
00:51:31,333 --> 00:51:31,541
environment

3333
00:51:31,541 --> 00:51:32,458
before are also

3334
00:51:32,458 --> 00:51:33,291
like stretching

3335
00:51:33,291 --> 00:51:33,750
our paycheck as

3336
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:34,791
far as it can go.

3337
00:51:35,666 --> 00:51:36,041
You should be

3338
00:51:36,041 --> 00:51:36,916
able to buy as

3339
00:51:36,916 --> 00:51:38,000
much of something

3340
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:38,750
as you want,

3341
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:39,375
rather than being

3342
00:51:39,375 --> 00:51:40,208
forced to buy

3343
00:51:40,208 --> 00:51:40,708
something.

3344
00:51:40,750 --> 00:51:40,958
Yeah.

3345
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:42,666
And businesses

3346
00:51:42,666 --> 00:51:44,083
have moved into

3347
00:51:44,083 --> 00:51:44,833
this weird space

3348
00:51:44,833 --> 00:51:45,291
where they give

3349
00:51:45,291 --> 00:51:47,166
you a tiny little

3350
00:51:47,166 --> 00:51:49,000
packet in single

3351
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:49,750
use plastic

3352
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:50,416
because that's

3353
00:51:50,416 --> 00:51:50,666
really,

3354
00:51:50,666 --> 00:51:51,125
really cheap.

3355
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:51,916
So they're

3356
00:51:51,916 --> 00:51:52,500
incentivizing you

3357
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:53,958
to get like a

3358
00:51:53,958 --> 00:51:54,458
basically

3359
00:51:54,458 --> 00:51:55,333
negligible amount

3360
00:51:55,333 --> 00:51:56,000
of anything.

3361
00:51:56,625 --> 00:51:57,250
I think about

3362
00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:57,708
like a beauty

3363
00:51:57,708 --> 00:51:58,458
product, like

3364
00:51:58,458 --> 00:51:58,958
they can give you

3365
00:51:58,958 --> 00:51:59,333
like a thing of

3366
00:51:59,333 --> 00:51:59,875
moisturizer

3367
00:51:59,875 --> 00:52:00,041
that's

3368
00:52:00,041 --> 00:52:00,958
like this big.

3369
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,416
Yeah.

3370
00:52:01,791 --> 00:52:03,375
Or here.

3371
00:52:04,125 --> 00:52:04,333
Yeah.

3372
00:52:04,541 --> 00:52:04,750
Yeah.

3373
00:52:05,541 --> 00:52:05,625
No, it's.

3374
00:52:05,625 --> 00:52:06,666
Or why can't I

3375
00:52:06,666 --> 00:52:07,791
have a container

3376
00:52:07,791 --> 00:52:08,625
that's refillable

3377
00:52:08,625 --> 00:52:09,625
in the middle?

3378
00:52:09,958 --> 00:52:12,500
Why can I buy one

3379
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:14,875
pair unpackaged

3380
00:52:14,875 --> 00:52:15,666
and it's

3381
00:52:15,666 --> 00:52:17,416
strangely so much

3382
00:52:17,416 --> 00:52:17,958
more per

3383
00:52:17,958 --> 00:52:18,791
kilogram, if not

3384
00:52:18,791 --> 00:52:20,000
by unit, than

3385
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,000
four of them put

3386
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:21,250
together.

3387
00:52:22,416 --> 00:52:22,583
And they're like

3388
00:52:22,583 --> 00:52:23,375
nearly always

3389
00:52:23,375 --> 00:52:24,125
ripe. And I'm

3390
00:52:24,125 --> 00:52:24,625
like, I'm not

3391
00:52:24,625 --> 00:52:24,958
gonna be able to

3392
00:52:24,958 --> 00:52:26,500
eat four pairs in

3393
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:27,000
one day.

3394
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:28,000
No, yeah, that's

3395
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:28,791
the thing, right?

3396
00:52:28,791 --> 00:52:29,500
It's there's so

3397
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:30,208
many, there's so

3398
00:52:30,208 --> 00:52:30,958
much waste. And I

3399
00:52:30,958 --> 00:52:31,666
think it's also,

3400
00:52:32,125 --> 00:52:32,458
I mean, this is a

3401
00:52:32,458 --> 00:52:32,583
good

3402
00:52:32,583 --> 00:52:33,500
exercise too.

3403
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:33,791
We'll end the

3404
00:52:33,791 --> 00:52:34,458
show here, but

3405
00:52:34,458 --> 00:52:36,166
it's asking

3406
00:52:36,166 --> 00:52:37,458
yourself a lot of

3407
00:52:37,458 --> 00:52:38,125
the questions,

3408
00:52:38,125 --> 00:52:38,875
like, do I need

3409
00:52:38,875 --> 00:52:40,208
this, you know,

3410
00:52:40,208 --> 00:52:40,708
when you go to

3411
00:52:40,708 --> 00:52:41,500
the grocery store

3412
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:42,333
or when you go

3413
00:52:42,333 --> 00:52:43,541
into a Starbucks,

3414
00:52:43,541 --> 00:52:43,958
it's like, this

3415
00:52:43,958 --> 00:52:44,416
isn't going to

3416
00:52:44,416 --> 00:52:44,875
get recycled.

3417
00:52:45,333 --> 00:52:45,958
Like, do I really

3418
00:52:45,958 --> 00:52:46,750
need this in this

3419
00:52:46,750 --> 00:52:47,791
cup? Or can I

3420
00:52:47,791 --> 00:52:49,166
bring my own? Or

3421
00:52:49,166 --> 00:52:50,000
can I get if I'm

3422
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:50,708
staying, maybe I

3423
00:52:50,708 --> 00:52:51,458
can just sit here

3424
00:52:51,458 --> 00:52:52,500
and lounge around

3425
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:54,000
and asking

3426
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:54,583
yourself those

3427
00:52:54,583 --> 00:52:55,500
questions and

3428
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:56,791
then using that

3429
00:52:56,791 --> 00:52:57,916
as your consumer,

3430
00:52:57,916 --> 00:52:58,291
you have

3431
00:52:58,291 --> 00:52:58,916
the power.

3432
00:52:59,375 --> 00:52:59,791
And if enough

3433
00:52:59,791 --> 00:53:00,250
people ask

3434
00:53:00,250 --> 00:53:00,666
themselves the

3435
00:53:00,666 --> 00:53:01,125
questions and

3436
00:53:01,125 --> 00:53:01,791
start to look at

3437
00:53:01,791 --> 00:53:04,000
the way we live,

3438
00:53:04,291 --> 00:53:04,791
really, just the

3439
00:53:04,791 --> 00:53:05,750
way we behave on

3440
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:06,625
a regular basis,

3441
00:53:06,625 --> 00:53:07,208
we can start to

3442
00:53:07,208 --> 00:53:07,666
look at these

3443
00:53:07,666 --> 00:53:08,375
changes and just

3444
00:53:08,375 --> 00:53:08,916
be like, oh,

3445
00:53:09,208 --> 00:53:09,666
actually, yeah, I

3446
00:53:09,666 --> 00:53:10,333
don't need to buy

3447
00:53:10,333 --> 00:53:11,125
a whole bag of

3448
00:53:11,125 --> 00:53:11,791
broccoli because

3449
00:53:11,791 --> 00:53:12,250
I'm not going to

3450
00:53:12,250 --> 00:53:13,041
eat the entire

3451
00:53:13,041 --> 00:53:13,541
bag of broccoli.

3452
00:53:13,583 --> 00:53:14,083
It's going to go

3453
00:53:14,083 --> 00:53:15,083
bad. So maybe if

3454
00:53:15,083 --> 00:53:16,125
I just buy like

3455
00:53:16,125 --> 00:53:16,583
the broccoli,

3456
00:53:16,791 --> 00:53:17,208
yeah, maybe if I

3457
00:53:17,208 --> 00:53:17,708
just buy a

3458
00:53:17,708 --> 00:53:18,250
broccoli, like

3459
00:53:18,250 --> 00:53:19,958
loose, chop it up

3460
00:53:19,958 --> 00:53:20,500
and I'll have it

3461
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:21,208
all in like that

3462
00:53:21,208 --> 00:53:22,333
day. I think it's

3463
00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:22,875
just yeah, I

3464
00:53:22,875 --> 00:53:23,166
think it's

3465
00:53:23,166 --> 00:53:24,041
sometimes we

3466
00:53:24,041 --> 00:53:24,916
think convenience

3467
00:53:24,916 --> 00:53:25,500
is convenience,

3468
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:26,166
but it's not

3469
00:53:26,166 --> 00:53:27,291
convenient. You

3470
00:53:27,291 --> 00:53:27,750
know what I mean?

3471
00:53:27,916 --> 00:53:28,500
And I think that

3472
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:29,916
is the I think

3473
00:53:29,916 --> 00:53:30,625
that is the myth

3474
00:53:30,625 --> 00:53:31,625
about single use.

3475
00:53:31,875 --> 00:53:32,458
Yeah, I think it

3476
00:53:32,458 --> 00:53:33,625
is so convenient.

3477
00:53:33,625 --> 00:53:34,166
It's not this

3478
00:53:34,166 --> 00:53:35,791
with coffee.

3479
00:53:36,333 --> 00:53:37,333
Yeah. Canadians

3480
00:53:37,333 --> 00:53:38,791
love love coffee.

3481
00:53:39,166 --> 00:53:40,791
Yeah. That paper

3482
00:53:40,791 --> 00:53:41,541
cup is not a

3483
00:53:41,541 --> 00:53:42,208
paper cup. That's

3484
00:53:42,208 --> 00:53:42,750
not a material.

3485
00:53:43,333 --> 00:53:45,166
It's lined with a

3486
00:53:45,166 --> 00:53:46,000
plastic liner.

3487
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:46,541
That's what

3488
00:53:46,541 --> 00:53:47,333
prevents that cop

3489
00:53:47,333 --> 00:53:47,750
from being

3490
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:49,500
recycled. If you

3491
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:50,208
look to Ontario,

3492
00:53:50,208 --> 00:53:50,500
the largest

3493
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:51,750
province, when

3494
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:52,500
you throw it into

3495
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:53,250
the bin, either

3496
00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:53,833
recycling or

3497
00:53:53,833 --> 00:53:54,333
garbage, it's

3498
00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:54,791
still going to

3499
00:53:54,791 --> 00:53:55,375
the same place.

3500
00:53:55,375 --> 00:53:56,500
That's not going

3501
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:57,125
to work. It's not

3502
00:53:57,125 --> 00:53:57,750
recyclable.

3503
00:53:58,333 --> 00:53:58,708
And the more

3504
00:53:58,708 --> 00:53:59,125
we're learning

3505
00:53:59,125 --> 00:53:59,875
about, like, it's

3506
00:53:59,875 --> 00:54:00,666
such a thin layer

3507
00:54:00,666 --> 00:54:01,500
of plastic that

3508
00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:03,000
when you add hot

3509
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:03,958
beverages into

3510
00:54:03,958 --> 00:54:05,583
it, a lot of

3511
00:54:05,583 --> 00:54:06,375
research has been

3512
00:54:06,375 --> 00:54:08,000
linking like hot

3513
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:08,750
beverages and

3514
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:09,750
those linings to

3515
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:10,791
how people are

3516
00:54:10,791 --> 00:54:11,416
ingesting micro

3517
00:54:11,416 --> 00:54:12,166
plastics because

3518
00:54:12,166 --> 00:54:12,333
that hot,

3519
00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:15,166
liquid is

3520
00:54:15,166 --> 00:54:15,791
interacting with

3521
00:54:15,791 --> 00:54:17,458
this thin piece

3522
00:54:17,458 --> 00:54:18,583
of plastic and

3523
00:54:18,583 --> 00:54:19,083
it's kind of

3524
00:54:19,083 --> 00:54:20,041
swirling around.

3525
00:54:20,458 --> 00:54:21,750
Yeah. I mean,

3526
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:22,375
this thing, the

3527
00:54:22,375 --> 00:54:23,541
the growing body

3528
00:54:23,541 --> 00:54:25,166
of evidence on

3529
00:54:25,166 --> 00:54:26,250
human health

3530
00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:27,000
impacts and

3531
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:27,666
plastics and

3532
00:54:27,666 --> 00:54:28,000
plastic

3533
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,125
chemicals, it's

3534
00:54:29,125 --> 00:54:30,333
growing every single day. Yeah.

3535
00:54:31,333 --> 00:54:33,500
I'm not a doctor.

3536
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:34,041
I'm not a medical

3537
00:54:34,041 --> 00:54:34,708
researcher. I'm

3538
00:54:34,708 --> 00:54:35,041
not a human

3539
00:54:35,041 --> 00:54:35,833
health expert,

3540
00:54:35,833 --> 00:54:37,833
but it has opened

3541
00:54:37,833 --> 00:54:38,458
my eyes to

3542
00:54:38,458 --> 00:54:39,750
certain habits. I

3543
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:42,083
personally, I do

3544
00:54:42,083 --> 00:54:42,750
not take a hot

3545
00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:44,000
drink in a single

3546
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:44,916
use to go cup.

3547
00:54:44,916 --> 00:54:45,958
Yeah. Yeah. Hot

3548
00:54:45,958 --> 00:54:47,083
drink. It'll only

3549
00:54:47,083 --> 00:54:48,000
ever be in a

3550
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:48,333
reusable. Yeah. Use metal. Yeah.

3551
00:54:48,375 --> 00:54:52,125
Yeah. Or I'll

3552
00:54:52,125 --> 00:54:52,666
pick the cold

3553
00:54:52,666 --> 00:54:53,875
option. Yeah. And

3554
00:54:53,875 --> 00:54:55,291
he's ready to go

3555
00:54:55,291 --> 00:54:56,166
meals that tell

3556
00:54:56,166 --> 00:54:57,125
you to heat them

3557
00:54:57,125 --> 00:54:57,791
up in the middle.

3558
00:54:58,291 --> 00:55:00,458
No, no, no, no,

3559
00:55:00,458 --> 00:55:00,625
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

3560
00:55:00,625 --> 00:55:00,750
no, no, no, no. I

3561
00:55:00,750 --> 00:55:01,125
was actually

3562
00:55:01,125 --> 00:55:01,833
going to sign up

3563
00:55:01,833 --> 00:55:02,833
for them. And I

3564
00:55:02,833 --> 00:55:03,208
was actually

3565
00:55:03,208 --> 00:55:03,750
going to sign up

3566
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:04,166
for because a

3567
00:55:04,166 --> 00:55:04,500
friend of mine

3568
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:05,083
showed me and I'm

3569
00:55:05,083 --> 00:55:06,125
like, but what's

3570
00:55:06,125 --> 00:55:06,750
what's it being

3571
00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:07,875
heated in? And

3572
00:55:07,875 --> 00:55:08,375
like, oh, that's

3573
00:55:08,375 --> 00:55:08,833
plastic. I'm

3574
00:55:08,833 --> 00:55:09,541
like, yeah, no,

3575
00:55:09,541 --> 00:55:10,250
I'm out. Like,

3576
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:10,833
there's no way

3577
00:55:10,833 --> 00:55:11,416
that's good for

3578
00:55:11,416 --> 00:55:12,208
me. There's no

3579
00:55:12,208 --> 00:55:14,166
way. Nothing's

3580
00:55:14,166 --> 00:55:14,791
like there's no

3581
00:55:14,791 --> 00:55:16,208
smoking gun of no

3582
00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:17,041
research that's

3583
00:55:17,041 --> 00:55:17,583
out there right

3584
00:55:17,583 --> 00:55:18,250
now. Right.

3585
00:55:18,333 --> 00:55:18,583
Yeah. I mean, it's just it's,

3586
00:55:18,583 --> 00:55:20,291
it's, it's

3587
00:55:20,291 --> 00:55:21,291
contentious is

3588
00:55:21,291 --> 00:55:22,458
like a light word

3589
00:55:22,458 --> 00:55:23,416
for what's going

3590
00:55:23,416 --> 00:55:23,958
on in the

3591
00:55:23,958 --> 00:55:24,458
research

3592
00:55:24,458 --> 00:55:25,416
community for it,

3593
00:55:25,416 --> 00:55:26,000
but for sure.

3594
00:55:27,125 --> 00:55:28,833
It's a lot of

3595
00:55:28,833 --> 00:55:29,500
evidence. It's

3596
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:30,166
piling up. And

3597
00:55:30,166 --> 00:55:30,708
personally,

3598
00:55:30,708 --> 00:55:31,583
that's those are

3599
00:55:31,583 --> 00:55:32,125
little changes

3600
00:55:32,125 --> 00:55:33,166
that I make. I

3601
00:55:33,166 --> 00:55:33,875
love it. I love

3602
00:55:33,875 --> 00:55:34,250
it. Little

3603
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:34,958
changes lead to

3604
00:55:34,958 --> 00:55:36,041
big changes. And

3605
00:55:36,041 --> 00:55:37,041
no, we appreciate

3606
00:55:37,041 --> 00:55:37,750
Anthony coming

3607
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:38,708
on. Kind of

3608
00:55:38,708 --> 00:55:39,416
giving us the low

3609
00:55:39,416 --> 00:55:40,208
down. We

3610
00:55:40,208 --> 00:55:41,416
congratulate you

3611
00:55:41,416 --> 00:55:42,458
in Oceana on the

3612
00:55:42,458 --> 00:55:43,000
work that you've

3613
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:43,625
done as well as

3614
00:55:43,625 --> 00:55:44,083
every other

3615
00:55:44,083 --> 00:55:44,666
organization

3616
00:55:44,666 --> 00:55:45,833
that's taken part

3617
00:55:45,833 --> 00:55:47,000
to make sure that

3618
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:47,458
this law

3619
00:55:47,458 --> 00:55:48,333
stays as a

3620
00:55:48,375 --> 00:55:49,291
law. It's the

3621
00:55:49,291 --> 00:55:50,125
regulation stays

3622
00:55:50,125 --> 00:55:50,708
as a regulation

3623
00:55:50,708 --> 00:55:51,500
and hopefully,

3624
00:55:52,166 --> 00:55:53,041
and I believe

3625
00:55:53,041 --> 00:55:53,666
that's what we've

3626
00:55:53,666 --> 00:55:54,250
discussed in the

3627
00:55:54,250 --> 00:55:54,750
past. There will

3628
00:55:54,750 --> 00:55:55,125
be more

3629
00:55:55,125 --> 00:55:55,958
regulations that

3630
00:55:55,958 --> 00:55:57,291
come out that are

3631
00:55:57,291 --> 00:55:58,458
based on the SIPA

3632
00:55:58,458 --> 00:55:59,666
law and the SIPA

3633
00:55:59,666 --> 00:56:00,875
designation. And

3634
00:56:00,875 --> 00:56:01,708
we appreciate all

3635
00:56:01,708 --> 00:56:02,208
the work that

3636
00:56:02,208 --> 00:56:02,875
you've done to

3637
00:56:02,875 --> 00:56:04,375
not only educate

3638
00:56:04,375 --> 00:56:05,583
us here, but

3639
00:56:05,583 --> 00:56:06,500
everybody else,

3640
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:07,208
you know, on your

3641
00:56:07,208 --> 00:56:08,750
LinkedIn, on all

3642
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:09,291
like the way

3643
00:56:09,291 --> 00:56:10,250
Oceana works too.

3644
00:56:10,625 --> 00:56:10,958
You guys have

3645
00:56:10,958 --> 00:56:11,458
done just a

3646
00:56:11,458 --> 00:56:12,375
fantastic job in

3647
00:56:12,375 --> 00:56:13,083
educating all of

3648
00:56:13,083 --> 00:56:13,500
us. So we

3649
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:14,000
appreciate you

3650
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:14,583
coming on and

3651
00:56:14,583 --> 00:56:14,750
sharing

3652
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:15,333
that with us.

3653
00:56:15,333 --> 00:56:16,916
Thank you so

3654
00:56:16,916 --> 00:56:17,541
much. And I think

3655
00:56:17,541 --> 00:56:18,291
for anyone

3656
00:56:18,291 --> 00:56:18,916
listening, if

3657
00:56:18,916 --> 00:56:19,375
they want to go

3658
00:56:19,375 --> 00:56:20,416
to Oceana dot CA,

3659
00:56:20,958 --> 00:56:21,208
you can learn

3660
00:56:21,208 --> 00:56:21,791
about our plastic

3661
00:56:21,791 --> 00:56:22,750
campaigns there.

3662
00:56:23,291 --> 00:56:23,791
We work both

3663
00:56:23,791 --> 00:56:24,791
federally and

3664
00:56:24,791 --> 00:56:25,500
with other levels

3665
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:26,041
of government

3666
00:56:26,041 --> 00:56:26,708
with cities.

3667
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:27,875
We're currently

3668
00:56:27,875 --> 00:56:29,166
pushing Toronto

3669
00:56:29,166 --> 00:56:30,166
and Vancouver to

3670
00:56:30,166 --> 00:56:30,791
bring in reuse

3671
00:56:30,791 --> 00:56:32,000
systems to their

3672
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:32,791
venues and their

3673
00:56:32,791 --> 00:56:33,666
fan festivals for

3674
00:56:33,666 --> 00:56:34,666
the FIFA

3675
00:56:34,666 --> 00:56:35,333
World Cup 20.

3676
00:56:35,375 --> 00:56:37,708
Right around the

3677
00:56:37,708 --> 00:56:39,041
corner. I know,

3678
00:56:39,041 --> 00:56:40,208
but it's such a

3679
00:56:40,208 --> 00:56:40,875
good opportunity

3680
00:56:40,875 --> 00:56:43,791
to create jobs in

3681
00:56:43,791 --> 00:56:44,250
the circular

3682
00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:45,166
economy. We just

3683
00:56:45,166 --> 00:56:46,333
saw the whole had

3684
00:56:46,333 --> 00:56:47,458
reused with Pepsi

3685
00:56:47,458 --> 00:56:49,041
at the stadium.

3686
00:56:49,041 --> 00:56:50,708
Why can't Toronto

3687
00:56:50,708 --> 00:56:51,375
and Vancouver do

3688
00:56:51,375 --> 00:56:53,000
this? So, catch

3689
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,291
up and I mean, I

3690
00:56:55,291 --> 00:56:56,000
don't encourage

3691
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:56,541
everyone to go to

3692
00:56:56,541 --> 00:56:57,500
my LinkedIn, but

3693
00:56:57,500 --> 00:56:58,500
if you want to

3694
00:56:58,500 --> 00:56:58,875
get more

3695
00:56:58,875 --> 00:56:59,333
information.

3696
00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:01,083
Absolutely. Hey,

3697
00:57:01,083 --> 00:57:02,041
you provide a

3698
00:57:02,041 --> 00:57:02,708
service and we

3699
00:57:02,708 --> 00:57:03,708
love it. So I'm

3700
00:57:03,708 --> 00:57:04,083
going to put it

3701
00:57:04,083 --> 00:57:06,500
in there. Yeah,

3702
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:07,916
absolutely. Thank

3703
00:57:07,916 --> 00:57:08,875
you so much. We

3704
00:57:08,875 --> 00:57:09,166
really

3705
00:57:09,166 --> 00:57:09,958
appreciate it.

3706
00:57:10,375 --> 00:57:10,708
Thank you,

3707
00:57:10,708 --> 00:57:11,208
Anthony, for

3708
00:57:11,208 --> 00:57:11,708
joining us on

3709
00:57:11,708 --> 00:57:12,291
today's episode

3710
00:57:12,291 --> 00:57:13,500
of the How to

3711
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:14,000
Protect the Ocean

3712
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:14,833
podcast was great

3713
00:57:14,833 --> 00:57:15,458
to have you on it

3714
00:57:15,458 --> 00:57:16,083
once again,

3715
00:57:16,375 --> 00:57:17,041
talking about

3716
00:57:17,041 --> 00:57:18,041
plastics. And I

3717
00:57:18,041 --> 00:57:18,625
just think if you

3718
00:57:18,625 --> 00:57:19,208
want to follow

3719
00:57:19,208 --> 00:57:19,875
Anthony, you can

3720
00:57:19,875 --> 00:57:20,875
go and just look

3721
00:57:20,875 --> 00:57:21,166
at the show

3722
00:57:21,166 --> 00:57:21,625
notes. We'll have

3723
00:57:21,625 --> 00:57:21,750
his

3724
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:22,333
LinkedIn there.

3725
00:57:22,333 --> 00:57:23,416
He's got some

3726
00:57:23,416 --> 00:57:24,500
great posts on

3727
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:25,791
just how people

3728
00:57:25,791 --> 00:57:26,375
are dealing with

3729
00:57:26,375 --> 00:57:26,875
plastics in

3730
00:57:26,875 --> 00:57:27,541
general, how

3731
00:57:27,541 --> 00:57:29,791
event venues and

3732
00:57:29,791 --> 00:57:31,125
a lot of other

3733
00:57:31,125 --> 00:57:31,333
different

3734
00:57:31,333 --> 00:57:32,000
restaurants and

3735
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,291
stuff like that

3736
00:57:32,291 --> 00:57:33,041
calling out big,

3737
00:57:33,041 --> 00:57:34,500
big plastic and

3738
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:35,125
companies for

3739
00:57:35,125 --> 00:57:35,833
using plastics

3740
00:57:35,833 --> 00:57:36,166
that they

3741
00:57:36,166 --> 00:57:36,333
shouldn't be.

3742
00:57:36,333 --> 00:57:37,791
It's really, it's

3743
00:57:37,791 --> 00:57:37,958
really

3744
00:57:37,958 --> 00:57:38,375
interesting to

3745
00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:38,791
see how

3746
00:57:38,791 --> 00:57:39,541
government is

3747
00:57:39,541 --> 00:57:40,291
taking the lead

3748
00:57:40,291 --> 00:57:40,833
on this,

3749
00:57:41,291 --> 00:57:41,625
especially here

3750
00:57:41,625 --> 00:57:42,875
in Canada and how

3751
00:57:42,875 --> 00:57:43,708
we can start to

3752
00:57:43,708 --> 00:57:45,041
see this maybe

3753
00:57:45,041 --> 00:57:45,666
lead other

3754
00:57:45,666 --> 00:57:46,291
countries or

3755
00:57:46,291 --> 00:57:47,375
other states or

3756
00:57:47,375 --> 00:57:48,375
provinces or any

3757
00:57:48,375 --> 00:57:49,000
other territories

3758
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,500
to do more in

3759
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:52,041
terms of plastic

3760
00:57:52,041 --> 00:57:52,541
pollution

3761
00:57:52,541 --> 00:57:53,083
reduction.

3762
00:57:53,583 --> 00:57:54,083
It doesn't matter

3763
00:57:54,083 --> 00:57:54,583
if you want to

3764
00:57:54,583 --> 00:57:55,375
pay if you want

3765
00:57:55,375 --> 00:57:55,916
to if you want to

3766
00:57:55,916 --> 00:57:56,541
pay extra for a

3767
00:57:56,541 --> 00:57:57,166
plastic bag, you

3768
00:57:57,166 --> 00:57:57,708
can't do that

3769
00:57:57,708 --> 00:57:59,041
anymore. Now it's

3770
00:57:59,041 --> 00:58:00,083
all about or you

3771
00:58:00,083 --> 00:58:00,541
shouldn't be able

3772
00:58:00,541 --> 00:58:00,916
to do that

3773
00:58:00,916 --> 00:58:01,791
anymore. Now it's

3774
00:58:01,791 --> 00:58:02,208
all about the

3775
00:58:02,208 --> 00:58:03,208
reusable bags and

3776
00:58:03,208 --> 00:58:03,583
there's still

3777
00:58:03,583 --> 00:58:04,416
ways to manage

3778
00:58:04,416 --> 00:58:04,791
the reasonable

3779
00:58:04,791 --> 00:58:05,333
bag properly.

3780
00:58:05,375 --> 00:58:06,500
Don't always buy

3781
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:07,208
a reasonable bag

3782
00:58:07,208 --> 00:58:08,000
every time you're

3783
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:08,416
at the grocery

3784
00:58:08,416 --> 00:58:10,000
store. Reuse your

3785
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,500
reusable bag when

3786
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:12,000
you bring it to

3787
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:12,208
the grocery

3788
00:58:12,208 --> 00:58:12,791
store. Keep it in

3789
00:58:12,791 --> 00:58:13,375
your trunk, keep

3790
00:58:13,375 --> 00:58:14,125
it in your

3791
00:58:14,125 --> 00:58:15,958
bicycle, like a

3792
00:58:15,958 --> 00:58:17,125
basket or

3793
00:58:17,125 --> 00:58:17,750
wherever you keep

3794
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:18,750
it. It's always

3795
00:58:18,750 --> 00:58:19,833
with you so that

3796
00:58:19,833 --> 00:58:20,416
you can even have

3797
00:58:20,416 --> 00:58:20,791
some that are

3798
00:58:20,791 --> 00:58:21,250
small enough that

3799
00:58:21,250 --> 00:58:22,125
you can put in a

3800
00:58:22,125 --> 00:58:22,958
purse or in your

3801
00:58:22,958 --> 00:58:23,416
pocket or

3802
00:58:23,416 --> 00:58:23,750
something like

3803
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:24,666
that. There's a

3804
00:58:24,666 --> 00:58:25,875
lot of ingenuity

3805
00:58:25,875 --> 00:58:26,666
around that. They

3806
00:58:26,666 --> 00:58:27,125
have plastic

3807
00:58:27,125 --> 00:58:27,791
straws, they have

3808
00:58:27,791 --> 00:58:29,375
bamboo straws, or

3809
00:58:29,375 --> 00:58:30,000
not plastic

3810
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:30,375
straws, they have

3811
00:58:30,375 --> 00:58:31,000
paper straws that

3812
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:31,708
are reinforced.

3813
00:58:31,708 --> 00:58:32,041
You can even have

3814
00:58:32,041 --> 00:58:32,625
a metal straw

3815
00:58:32,625 --> 00:58:33,291
that you can keep

3816
00:58:33,291 --> 00:58:34,333
on you at all times if you really want to do that.

3817
00:58:34,375 --> 00:58:34,583
You can even have a metal straw that
you can keep on you at all

3818
00:58:34,583 --> 00:58:35,208
times if you

3819
00:58:35,208 --> 00:58:35,708
really want to

3820
00:58:35,708 --> 00:58:36,416
have a straw or

3821
00:58:36,416 --> 00:58:37,041
you just don't go

3822
00:58:37,041 --> 00:58:37,500
with straw at

3823
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:38,000
all. There's all

3824
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:38,416
these different

3825
00:58:38,416 --> 00:58:39,041
ways to handle

3826
00:58:39,041 --> 00:58:39,458
single use

3827
00:58:39,458 --> 00:58:40,250
plastics and it's

3828
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:40,916
up to you if you

3829
00:58:40,916 --> 00:58:41,375
want to be

3830
00:58:41,375 --> 00:58:42,750
healthier and not

3831
00:58:42,750 --> 00:58:43,875
not say hey you

3832
00:58:43,875 --> 00:58:44,291
know what I've

3833
00:58:44,291 --> 00:58:45,625
had toxic plastic

3834
00:58:45,625 --> 00:58:46,000
doesn't matter

3835
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:46,750
the plastic all

3836
00:58:46,750 --> 00:58:47,791
plastic is toxic.

3837
00:58:48,250 --> 00:58:48,583
There's certain

3838
00:58:48,583 --> 00:58:49,416
items in Canada

3839
00:58:49,416 --> 00:58:50,083
that are banned

3840
00:58:50,083 --> 00:58:50,916
but we should be

3841
00:58:50,916 --> 00:58:51,583
staying away from

3842
00:58:51,583 --> 00:58:52,375
plastic as much

3843
00:58:52,375 --> 00:58:53,125
as possible

3844
00:58:53,125 --> 00:58:53,791
because it's not

3845
00:58:53,791 --> 00:58:55,000
good for us. And

3846
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:55,916
so that's your

3847
00:58:55,916 --> 00:58:56,583
that's your

3848
00:58:56,583 --> 00:58:57,791
incentive not

3849
00:58:57,791 --> 00:58:58,500
just to protect

3850
00:58:58,500 --> 00:58:59,250
the ocean but to

3851
00:58:59,250 --> 00:59:00,000
protect yourself

3852
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:00,791
your own health

3853
00:59:00,791 --> 00:59:01,791
knowing that

3854
00:59:01,791 --> 00:59:02,583
plastic is bad.

3855
00:59:02,583 --> 00:59:03,083
So having you

3856
00:59:03,083 --> 00:59:03,750
know I still see

3857
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:04,333
plastic water

3858
00:59:04,333 --> 00:59:04,916
bottles being

3859
00:59:04,916 --> 00:59:06,333
ingested that all

3860
00:59:06,333 --> 00:59:07,666
that plastic is

3861
00:59:07,666 --> 00:59:08,625
not good. It's

3862
00:59:08,625 --> 00:59:09,166
not good for you

3863
00:59:09,166 --> 00:59:09,625
every time you

3864
00:59:09,625 --> 00:59:10,750
twist off a cap

3865
00:59:10,750 --> 00:59:12,166
that the brakes

3866
00:59:12,166 --> 00:59:12,875
of that cap goes

3867
00:59:12,875 --> 00:59:13,791
into the bottle

3868
00:59:13,791 --> 00:59:14,750
right and the

3869
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:15,208
little material

3870
00:59:15,208 --> 00:59:15,625
goes into the

3871
00:59:15,625 --> 00:59:16,000
bottle that

3872
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:16,708
microplastic goes

3873
00:59:16,708 --> 00:59:18,125
into your body

3874
00:59:18,125 --> 00:59:18,708
and you get

3875
00:59:18,708 --> 00:59:19,500
affected in the

3876
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:20,208
long run and it's

3877
00:59:20,208 --> 00:59:20,875
just made of some

3878
00:59:20,875 --> 00:59:21,625
nasty stuff so

3879
00:59:21,625 --> 00:59:22,125
you don't want to

3880
00:59:22,125 --> 00:59:22,958
have any of that.

3881
00:59:23,291 --> 00:59:23,750
I'm not a health

3882
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:24,458
practitioner but

3883
00:59:24,458 --> 00:59:25,083
I know enough to

3884
00:59:25,083 --> 00:59:25,916
stay away as much

3885
00:59:25,916 --> 00:59:27,041
as possible from

3886
00:59:27,041 --> 00:59:28,416
plastic because

3887
00:59:28,416 --> 00:59:29,208
it's toxic and we

3888
00:59:29,208 --> 00:59:29,833
now know that

3889
00:59:29,833 --> 00:59:30,541
it's upheld in

3890
00:59:30,541 --> 00:59:31,541
Canada as toxic

3891
00:59:31,541 --> 00:59:32,333
and that's really

3892
00:59:32,333 --> 00:59:32,916
important. The

3893
00:59:32,916 --> 00:59:33,291
science is

3894
00:59:33,291 --> 00:59:34,166
actually the

3895
00:59:34,166 --> 00:59:34,333
science is

3896
00:59:34,333 --> 00:59:34,958
based decision

3897
00:59:34,958 --> 00:59:35,625
making has

3898
00:59:35,625 --> 00:59:36,208
actually ruled

3899
00:59:36,208 --> 00:59:36,958
and the courts

3900
00:59:36,958 --> 00:59:38,041
have have upheld

3901
00:59:38,041 --> 00:59:39,125
the ruling and I

3902
00:59:39,125 --> 00:59:39,750
think it's great.

3903
00:59:40,041 --> 00:59:40,666
So that's it for

3904
00:59:40,666 --> 00:59:41,291
today's episode.

3905
00:59:41,541 --> 00:59:42,416
If you love this

3906
00:59:42,416 --> 00:59:43,000
type of ocean

3907
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,000
news and you want

3908
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:44,791
to hear more all

3909
00:59:44,791 --> 00:59:45,208
you have to do is

3910
00:59:45,208 --> 00:59:45,916
just smash that

3911
00:59:45,916 --> 00:59:46,500
that follow

3912
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:47,625
button and you

3913
00:59:47,625 --> 00:59:48,291
will be able to

3914
00:59:48,291 --> 00:59:49,500
hear next week's

3915
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:50,625
episodes and

3916
00:59:50,625 --> 00:59:51,458
every to every

3917
00:59:51,458 --> 00:59:51,791
weekday from

3918
00:59:51,791 --> 00:59:52,833
Monday to Friday

3919
00:59:52,833 --> 00:59:53,833
5 a.m. eastern is

3920
00:59:53,833 --> 00:59:55,333
posted enjoy the

3921
00:59:55,333 --> 00:59:55,750
episode.

3922
00:59:56,875 --> 00:59:57,208
I want to thank

3923
00:59:57,208 --> 00:59:57,916
you for joining

3924
00:59:57,916 --> 00:59:58,458
me on today's

3925
00:59:58,458 --> 00:59:59,125
episode of the

3926
00:59:59,125 --> 00:59:59,541
how to protect

3927
00:59:59,541 --> 00:59:59,875
the ocean

3928
00:59:59,875 --> 01:00:00,541
podcast. I'm your

3929
01:00:00,541 --> 01:00:01,166
host Andrew Llewe

3930
01:00:01,166 --> 01:00:02,125
have a great day.

3931
01:00:02,125 --> 01:00:02,500
We'll talk to you

3932
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:03,291
next time and

3933
01:00:03,291 --> 01:00:03,458
happy

3934
01:00:03,458 --> 01:00:03,833
conservation.