March 5, 2026
We Know How to Protect the Ocean. So Why Aren’t We Doing It?
We Know How to Protect the Ocean. So Why Aren’t We Doing It?
We do not have an ocean knowledge problem. We have an implementation problem. The science behind fisheries recovery, pollution control, climate adaptation, and high seas governance is strong and repeatedly confirmed. When fishing pressure is reduced, stocks rebuild. When nutrient runoff is controlled, water quality improves. When ecosystems like mangroves and seagrass are restored, coastlines stabilize. The evidence is not unclear. The results are predictable.
So why do strong ocean policies succeed in some regions and collapse in others?
In this episode of How to Protect the Ocean, we break down the difference between symbolic protection and real protection. Using examples from US fisheries reforms, Northern European quota enforcement, Baltic Sea nutrient management, Chesapeake Bay recovery efforts, and global monitoring tools, you will see a clear pattern: protection works when it is funded, enforced, monitored, and sustained. It fails when it is announced but not implemented.
The ocean does not respond to press releases. It responds to reduced pressure.
Real protection is measurable. It shows up in rebounding fish biomass, shrinking dead zones, reduced illegal fishing, and stronger coastal resilience.
If you care about ocean conservation, this episode will help you understand what actually makes the difference.
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Transcript
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Look, protection
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works when
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it's real.
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We do not have an
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ocean knowledge
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problem.
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We have an
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implementation
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problem.
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The science is clear.
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The solutions,
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they're known.
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Outcomes are
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actually
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predictable.
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The real question
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is whether we are
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willing to follow
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through.
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This is the How
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to Protect the
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Ocean podcast,
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your weekly ocean
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news update.
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If you care about
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being informed on
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the ocean every
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weekday, hit that
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follow
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button so you
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don't miss
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tomorrow's
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episode.
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Across fisheries,
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climate
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adaptation,
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pollution
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control, and the
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high seas
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governance, one
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pattern keeps
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repeating.
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Policies work
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when they are
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implemented
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fully.
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They fail when
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they are
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symbolic.
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But the key
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question is here
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is why do strong
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ocean policies
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succeed in some
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places and
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collapse
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in others?
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Let's be honest,
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the science is
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not the
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weak link.
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Across ocean
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issues, the
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evidence
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is strong.
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Overfishing
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reduces biomass
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and destabilizes
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food webs.
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We know this.
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Reducing fishing
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pressure allows
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stock recovery.
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We know this too.
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Reducing
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pollution
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improves coastal
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That's known.
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Cutting
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emissions slows
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ocean warming.
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Is this all
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familiar to you?
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Habitat restoration
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increases
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biodiversity and
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resilience.
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controversial
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conclusions.
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They are
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repeatedly
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confirmed in
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peer-reviewed
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literature.
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The bottleneck is
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not knowledge.
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It's execution.
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example of
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fisheries
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recovery.
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Where cash limits
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are science-based
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and enforced,
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fish stocks
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rebuild, biomass
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increases,
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long-term
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yields stabilize.
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U.S. Fisheries
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under the
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Since that act
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has been enacted,
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a lot of
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fisheries have
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been recovered
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and sustainably
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managed.
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We have sardines
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and anchovies on
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the west coast
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that have
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actually helped
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these populations
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stabilize.
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to see a recovery
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in these types of
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species
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over time.
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fisheries in the
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U.S. are well
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managed using the
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Magnuson-Stevenson
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policies are
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rolled back, we
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start to see the
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fisheries
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stocks slip.
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are ignored or
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politically
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inflated, stocks
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decline, recruitment
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collapses,
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and economic
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instability
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follows.
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A clear example
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is the tuna
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fishing industry
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in Europe,
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especially in the
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Mediterranean.
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In the movie End
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of the Line,
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there was a clear
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example of how
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quotas are not
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followed.
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The scientists
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and researchers
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came up with a
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minimum
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viable yield.
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if you only
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caught this many,
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it was 30,000
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tons or whatever
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it might be.
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I don't remember
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the exact
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numbers.
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30,000 tons, then
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that population
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would be able to
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stabilize.
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It would be able
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to be sustainable
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and you'd be able
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to catch another
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30,000 tons
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next year.
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population
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wouldn't decline.
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It would be able
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to recover.
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Right away, the
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government
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officials that
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went to the
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negotiation table
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doubled that
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to 60,000 because
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they knew that
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the people they
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were going to
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negotiate with,
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the fisheries
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societies or the
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fishery unions,
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weren't going to
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take 30,000.
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with 60,000.
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with 90,000.
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amount of tons of
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fish that they
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the minimal
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yield, right?
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viable
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population.
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sense to draw
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back quotas.
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collapses,
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economic
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follows.
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pretty simple.
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when compliance
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is mandatory and
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monitored.
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pollution
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control.
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pretty clear in
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regions where
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treatment and
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nutrient runoff
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controls
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were implemented.
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zone, coastal
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dead zone shrank,
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harmful algal
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blooms decreased
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and water quality
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improve.
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The recovery of
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parts of the
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Baltic Sea and
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improvements in
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sections of the
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Chesapeake
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Bay show that
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nutrient
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management can
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reverse
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degradation
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trends.
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agricultural
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runoff remains
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unregulated, you
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get hypoxic zones
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that expand.
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You get fisheries
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that suffer and
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coastal economies
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that
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absorb the cost.
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implementation
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determines
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outcome.
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If you look
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clearly the
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Florida water
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quality system
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and the way they
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manage it is
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absolutely
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horrible and
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they've been
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paying for it
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year after year
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after year.
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We've seen
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red ties.
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We've seen
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cyanobacteria
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blooms.
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We've seen a lot
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of other things
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we've seen like
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this algae that
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is or these down
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to flagellates
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that are on the
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bottom of the
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ocean that just
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kind of come up
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that gets stirred
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up by fish
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and they give
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them like this
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crazy neurological
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disease all
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because there are
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there's runoff,
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right?
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There's nutrient
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runoff that's
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allowed because
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these industries
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are allowed to
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use their best
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practices in
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reducing the
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amount of
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nutrients that go
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into lakes and
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streams.
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But those lakes
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and streams get
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abundance of
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nutrients that
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goes into the
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ocean along
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the
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coastal system.
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You get the right
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winds, you get
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the right
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dinoflagellates
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and you can get a
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red tide or you
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can get some kind
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of cyanobacteria,
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algal matte, just
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like just awful
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event and it just
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smothers
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everything and it
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makes
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everything die.
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And we've seen
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that over and
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over again.
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And again,
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implementation
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determines the
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outcome, right?
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You have to
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implement the
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policies that you
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have to put
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forward.
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You can't just
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keep rolling back
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on policies,
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which we're
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seeing in many
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countries,
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including
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the U.S.,
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especially
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recently.
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Let's look at
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climate
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adaptation and
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coastal
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resilience.
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Healthy ecosystems buffer
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climate impacts.
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It's pretty simple.
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We've gone over
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in past episodes
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mangroves,
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reduced storm
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surge, seagrass,
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meadows,
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stabilized
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sediment, coral
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reefs dissipate
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wave energy.
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And when they all
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work together,
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you have a stable
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coastline where
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these ecosystems
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are protected and
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restored.
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Coastal erosion slows.
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Fisheries and
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nurseries
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recover.
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Carbon sequestration
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increases once
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you have these
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habitats
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stabilized.
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Where development
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overrides
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ecosystem
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protection, you
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get the
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shorelines that
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erode faster.
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Infrastructure costs rise.
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Insurance risks
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escalate.
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Climate
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adaptation is not
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abstract.
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It's just
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operational.
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Now let's look at
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the high seas
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governance.
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International
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agreements can
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establish
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framework.
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The high seas
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treaty is
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establishing that
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framework.
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But the
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frameworks do not
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reduce fishing
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pressure by
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themselves.
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Satellite monitoring can
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detect
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violations, but
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detection does
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not
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prosecute itself.
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Transparency
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improves
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accountability, but
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accountability requires
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political will.
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Across every
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ocean issue this
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month, one
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pattern repeats.
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Tools exist.
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Data exists.
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Legal structure exists.
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Follow
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through varies.
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And why are we
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getting this
475
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symbolic policy
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that keeps
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persisting?
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Symbolic
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protection is
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politically
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easier.
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Announcing
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targets generates
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headlines.
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It's nice
486
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and easy.
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Another political
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party gets,
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whoever's in
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charge gets
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its kudos.
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It's high fives.
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Ratifying
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treaties signals
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leadership.
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Designating zones
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looks ambitious.
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But full
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implementation is
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actually harder.
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It requires
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funding.
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It requires
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enforcement.
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It requires
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confronting
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economic
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interests.
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It requires
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sustained
511
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political
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commitment beyond
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election cycles.
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That's something
515
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we don't
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see often.
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But what real
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protection looks
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like is it has to
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be measurable.
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You can see it in
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rebounding fish
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biomass, improved
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water quality
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metrics, reduced
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illegal
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fishing effort,
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stabilized
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coastal erosion
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rates, and
531
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increased
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ecosystem
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complexity.
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Real protection
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produces data.
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Symbolic
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protection,
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symbolic
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protection
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produces
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announcements.
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We want to go
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beyond the
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announcements.
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We want to get
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down into
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the data.
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We want to get
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down into the
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evaluations of
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how a marine
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protected area,
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how a coastline,
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how
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habitats are doing.
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We want to see
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how
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they're doing.
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And we need data
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to do that.
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But we need to
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make sure that
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everything is
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enforced to
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actually evaluate
566
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these systems.
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We got to go
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beyond just the
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politics of it
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all to say, hey,
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we're going to
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sign on to this
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climate
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agreement.
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Or we're going to
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sign, we're going
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to ratify the
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high seas treaty,
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which most
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countries
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haven't done.
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Only 60 have.
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Hopefully we'll
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get more.
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We've been able
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to ratify it, but
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if the countries
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that need to
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ratify it, don't
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ratify and don't
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follow it and
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don't actually
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hold their own
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country
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accountable to
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it, it's not
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really
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going to work.
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But don't worry.
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That's what we're
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here to do with
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the How to
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Protect the Ocean
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podcast.
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If you want clear
606
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science based
607
00:08:34,125 --> 00:08:35,000
ocean reporting
608
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every weekday,
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00:08:36,416 --> 00:08:37,208
follow this show
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00:08:37,208 --> 00:08:37,875
so you don't miss
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tomorrow's
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episode.
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Let's just have
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the final
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thoughts on this.
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We do not need
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new slogans.
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We need follow
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through.
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That's really
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what it comes
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down to.
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The ocean does
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not negotiate.
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It just happens.
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It responds to
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physics, biology
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and extraction
629
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pressure.
630
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You go in and
631
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fish in an area
632
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for long enough,
633
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it's going to
634
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just dissipate.
635
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It's going to be
636
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degraded.
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It's just simple
638
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as that.
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That's just what
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happens.
641
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We can't get away
642
00:09:00,041 --> 00:09:00,375
from it.
643
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You can say it as
644
00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:01,875
much as you want.
645
00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:02,458
That's not going
646
00:09:02,458 --> 00:09:02,833
to affect
647
00:09:02,833 --> 00:09:03,708
the an area.
648
00:09:04,125 --> 00:09:04,500
It's going to
649
00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:05,333
affect the area.
650
00:09:05,833 --> 00:09:06,791
You can drill oil
651
00:09:06,791 --> 00:09:07,250
and be like,
652
00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:07,708
yeah, there's not
653
00:09:07,708 --> 00:09:08,083
going to be any
654
00:09:08,083 --> 00:09:08,666
spills, but the
655
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spills happen and
656
00:09:09,875 --> 00:09:10,208
the ocean
657
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reacts to it.
658
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Right.
659
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All the ocean
660
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species, all the
661
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water, the
662
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quality, you try
663
00:09:15,208 --> 00:09:15,791
and disperse it
664
00:09:15,791 --> 00:09:16,375
and hide it.
665
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You're going to
666
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get the chemicals
667
00:09:17,625 --> 00:09:18,458
that disperse it
668
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all around the
669
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ocean and it's
670
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going to be
671
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highly impacted,
672
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especially with
673
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like a big spill,
674
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like the BP
675
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oil spill.
676
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Right.
677
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We see it
678
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all the time.
679
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You can say as
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much as you want
681
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to say, hey, the
682
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ocean is not
683
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going to be
684
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affected,
685
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but it is.
686
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And it has been
687
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for so, so long.
688
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So reduced
689
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pressure
690
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ecosystems
691
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recover, maintain
692
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pressure and
693
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they'll decline
694
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like we're doing
695
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right now.
696
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That pattern is
697
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consistent
698
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between
699
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fisheries,
700
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pollution,
701
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climate stress
702
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and governance.
703
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Protection works
704
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well when
705
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it's real.
706
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Real means
707
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funded, real
708
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means enforced,
709
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real means
710
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monitored and
711
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real means
712
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sustained.
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Anything less is
714
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just temporary.
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The future of the
716
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ocean will not be
717
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determined by
718
00:09:59,458 --> 00:10:00,291
what we promise
719
00:10:00,291 --> 00:10:01,000
it will be
720
00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:01,875
determined by
721
00:10:01,875 --> 00:10:02,458
what we
722
00:10:02,458 --> 00:10:03,000
implement.
723
00:10:04,458 --> 00:10:05,291
This whole week
724
00:10:05,291 --> 00:10:05,958
we've been going
725
00:10:05,958 --> 00:10:06,916
over enforcement
726
00:10:06,916 --> 00:10:07,708
and protections
727
00:10:07,708 --> 00:10:09,125
and what we need,
728
00:10:09,125 --> 00:10:09,291
the high
729
00:10:09,291 --> 00:10:09,916
seas treaty.
730
00:10:10,333 --> 00:10:10,916
And it's really
731
00:10:10,916 --> 00:10:11,791
important that we
732
00:10:11,791 --> 00:10:12,291
protect
733
00:10:12,291 --> 00:10:13,750
this ocean.
734
00:10:14,625 --> 00:10:15,375
It's not, it's
735
00:10:15,375 --> 00:10:15,750
like the only
736
00:10:15,750 --> 00:10:16,666
ocean we have.
737
00:10:16,916 --> 00:10:17,333
I know it's
738
00:10:17,333 --> 00:10:17,916
large, but it's
739
00:10:17,916 --> 00:10:18,500
the only ocean we
740
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have and it's
741
00:10:18,875 --> 00:10:19,291
hitting its
742
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capacity in what
743
00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:21,083
it can take.
744
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So I would love
745
00:10:21,958 --> 00:10:22,375
to hear your
746
00:10:22,375 --> 00:10:23,166
feedback on what
747
00:10:23,166 --> 00:10:23,666
you think can
748
00:10:23,666 --> 00:10:24,875
work or what
749
00:10:24,875 --> 00:10:25,500
you've seen that
750
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works or what
751
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you've seen that
752
00:10:26,375 --> 00:10:26,541
you're
753
00:10:26,541 --> 00:10:27,250
frustrated with.
754
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Let me know if go
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to
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speakupforblue.com
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forward slash
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feedback.
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All one word
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speakupforblue.com
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00:10:33,875 --> 00:10:34,875
forward slash
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feedback.
763
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Let me know how
764
00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:36,333
you feel.
765
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You can leave a
766
00:10:36,666 --> 00:10:38,166
voicemail or you
767
00:10:38,166 --> 00:10:38,500
can write
768
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something down.
769
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I would love to
770
00:10:39,916 --> 00:10:40,250
hear it because
771
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this is the start
772
00:10:40,750 --> 00:10:41,416
of a conversation
773
00:10:41,416 --> 00:10:42,291
that I would like
774
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to have with you
775
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each and
776
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every one.
777
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And I would love
778
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to hear what you
779
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have to say.
780
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So thank you so
781
00:10:47,583 --> 00:10:48,083
much for joining
782
00:10:48,083 --> 00:10:48,791
me on today's
783
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episode of the
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How to Protect
785
00:10:49,916 --> 00:10:50,250
the Ocean
786
00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:50,708
podcast.
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00:10:51,125 --> 00:10:51,708
Have a great day.
788
00:10:51,708 --> 00:10:52,125
We'll talk to you
789
00:10:52,125 --> 00:10:53,125
next time and
790
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happy
791
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conservation.
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Look, protection
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works when
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it's real.
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We do not have an
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ocean knowledge
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problem.
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We have an
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implementation
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problem.
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The science is clear.
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The solutions,
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they're known.
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Outcomes are
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actually
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predictable.
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The real question
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is whether we are
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willing to follow
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through.
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This is the How
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to Protect the
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Ocean podcast,
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your weekly ocean
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news update.
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If you care about
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being informed on
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the ocean every
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weekday, hit that
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follow
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button so you
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don't miss
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tomorrow's
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episode.
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Across fisheries,
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climate
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adaptation,
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pollution
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control, and the
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high seas
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governance, one
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pattern keeps
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repeating.
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Policies work
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when they are
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implemented
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fully.
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They fail when
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they are
49
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symbolic.
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But the key
51
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question is here
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is why do strong
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ocean policies
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succeed in some
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places and
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collapse
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in others?
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Let's be honest,
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the science is
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not the
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weak link.
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Across ocean
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issues, the
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evidence
65
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is strong.
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Overfishing
67
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reduces biomass
68
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and destabilizes
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food webs.
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We know this.
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Reducing fishing
72
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pressure allows
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stock recovery.
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We know this too.
75
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Reducing
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pollution
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improves coastal
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water quality.
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That's known.
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Cutting
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greenhouse gas
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emissions slows
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ocean warming.
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Is this all
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familiar to you?
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Habitat restoration
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increases
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biodiversity and
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resilience.
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These are not
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controversial
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conclusions.
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They are
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repeatedly
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confirmed in
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peer-reviewed
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literature.
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The bottleneck is
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not knowledge.
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It's execution.
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Here's a clear
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example of
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fisheries
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recovery.
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Where cash limits
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are science-based
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and enforced,
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fish stocks
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rebuild, biomass
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increases,
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long-term
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yields stabilize.
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An example is the
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U.S. Fisheries
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under the
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Magnuson-Stevenson
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Act.
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Since that act
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has been enacted,
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a lot of
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fisheries have
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been recovered
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and sustainably
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managed.
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We have sardines
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and anchovies on
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the west coast
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that have
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actually helped
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these populations
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stabilize.
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We've been able
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to see a recovery
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in these types of
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species
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over time.
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A lot of other
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fisheries in the
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U.S. are well
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managed using the
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Magnuson-Stevenson
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Act.
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But if those
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policies are
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rolled back, we
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start to see the
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fisheries
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stocks slip.
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And where quotas
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are ignored or
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politically
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inflated, stocks
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decline, recruitment
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collapses,
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and economic
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instability
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follows.
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A clear example
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is the tuna
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fishing industry
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in Europe,
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especially in the
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Mediterranean.
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In the movie End
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of the Line,
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there was a clear
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example of how
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quotas are not
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followed.
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The scientists
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and researchers
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came up with a
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minimum
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viable yield.
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So essentially,
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if you only
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caught this many,
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it was 30,000
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tons or whatever
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it might be.
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I don't remember
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the exact
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numbers.
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If you caught
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30,000 tons, then
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that population
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would be able to
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stabilize.
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It would be able
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to be sustainable
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and you'd be able
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to catch another
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30,000 tons
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next year.
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And that
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population
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wouldn't decline.
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It would be able
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to recover.
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Right away, the
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government
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officials that
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went to the
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negotiation table
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doubled that
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to 60,000 because
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they knew that
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the people they
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were going to
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negotiate with,
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the fisheries
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societies or the
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fishery unions,
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weren't going to
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take 30,000.
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They wanted more.
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So they started
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with 60,000.
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They ended up
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with 90,000.
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Every time's the
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amount of tons of
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fish that they
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were going to
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catch from
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the minimal
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yield, right?
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The minimal
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viable
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population.
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It doesn't make
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sense to draw
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back quotas.
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So where quotas
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are ignored or
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politically
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inflated, stocks
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decline,
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recruitment
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collapses,
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economic
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instability
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follows.
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The lesson is
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pretty simple.
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Pollution works
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when compliance
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is mandatory and
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monitored.
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Let's look at
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pollution
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control.
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The evidence is
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pretty clear in
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regions where
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wastewater
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treatment and
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nutrient runoff
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controls
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were implemented.
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Coastal dead
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zone, coastal
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dead zone shrank,
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harmful algal
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blooms decreased
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and water quality
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improve.
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The recovery of
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parts of the
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Baltic Sea and
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improvements in
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sections of the
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Chesapeake
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Bay show that
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nutrient
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management can
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reverse
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degradation
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trends.
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In places where
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agricultural
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runoff remains
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unregulated, you
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get hypoxic zones
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that expand.
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You get fisheries
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that suffer and
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coastal economies
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that
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absorb the cost.
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Again,
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implementation
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determines
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outcome.
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If you look
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clearly the
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Florida water
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quality system
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and the way they
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manage it is
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absolutely
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horrible and
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they've been
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paying for it
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year after year
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after year.
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We've seen
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red ties.
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We've seen
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cyanobacteria
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blooms.
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We've seen a lot
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of other things
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we've seen like
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this algae that
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is or these down
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to flagellates
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that are on the
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bottom of the
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ocean that just
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kind of come up
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that gets stirred
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up by fish
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and they give
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them like this
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crazy neurological
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disease all
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because there are
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there's runoff,
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right?
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There's nutrient
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runoff that's
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allowed because
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these industries
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are allowed to
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use their best
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practices in
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reducing the
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amount of
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nutrients that go
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into lakes and
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streams.
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But those lakes
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and streams get
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abundance of
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nutrients that
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goes into the
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ocean along
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the
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coastal system.
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You get the right
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winds, you get
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the right
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dinoflagellates
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and you can get a
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red tide or you
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can get some kind
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of cyanobacteria,
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algal matte, just
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like just awful
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event and it just
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smothers
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everything and it
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makes
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everything die.
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And we've seen
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that over and
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over again.
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And again,
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implementation
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determines the
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outcome, right?
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You have to
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implement the
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policies that you
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have to put
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forward.
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You can't just
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keep rolling back
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on policies,
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which we're
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seeing in many
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countries,
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including
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the U.S.,
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especially
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recently.
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Let's look at
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climate
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adaptation and
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coastal
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resilience.
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Healthy ecosystems buffer
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climate impacts.
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It's pretty simple.
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We've gone over
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in past episodes
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mangroves,
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reduced storm
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surge, seagrass,
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meadows,
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stabilized
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sediment, coral
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reefs dissipate
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wave energy.
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And when they all
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work together,
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you have a stable
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coastline where
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these ecosystems
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are protected and
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restored.
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Coastal erosion slows.
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Fisheries and
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nurseries
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recover.
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Carbon sequestration
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increases once
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you have these
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habitats
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stabilized.
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Where development
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overrides
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ecosystem
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protection, you
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get the
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shorelines that
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erode faster.
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Infrastructure costs rise.
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Insurance risks
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escalate.
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Climate
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adaptation is not
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abstract.
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It's just
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operational.
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Now let's look at
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the high seas
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governance.
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International
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agreements can
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establish
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framework.
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The high seas
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treaty is
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establishing that
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framework.
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But the
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frameworks do not
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reduce fishing
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pressure by
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themselves.
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Satellite monitoring can
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detect
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violations, but
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detection does
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not
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prosecute itself.
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Transparency
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improves
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accountability, but
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accountability requires
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political will.
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Across every
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ocean issue this
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month, one
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pattern repeats.
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Tools exist.
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Data exists.
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Legal structure exists.
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Follow
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through varies.
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And why are we
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getting this
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symbolic policy
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that keeps
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persisting?
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Symbolic
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protection is
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politically
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easier.
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Announcing
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targets generates
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headlines.
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It's nice
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and easy.
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Another political
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party gets,
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whoever's in
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charge gets
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its kudos.
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It's high fives.
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Ratifying
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treaties signals
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leadership.
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Designating zones
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looks ambitious.
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But full
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implementation is
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actually harder.
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It requires
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funding.
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It requires
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enforcement.
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It requires
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confronting
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economic
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interests.
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It requires
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sustained
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political
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commitment beyond
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election cycles.
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That's something
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we don't
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see often.
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But what real
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protection looks
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like is it has to
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be measurable.
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You can see it in
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rebounding fish
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biomass, improved
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water quality
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metrics, reduced
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illegal
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fishing effort,
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stabilized
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coastal erosion
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rates, and
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increased
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ecosystem
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complexity.
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Real protection
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produces data.
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Symbolic
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protection,
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symbolic
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protection
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produces
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announcements.
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We want to go
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beyond the
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announcements.
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We want to get
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down into
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the data.
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We want to get
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down into the
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evaluations of
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how a marine
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protected area,
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how a coastline,
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how
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habitats are doing.
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We want to see
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how
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they're doing.
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And we need data
560
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to do that.
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But we need to
562
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make sure that
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everything is
564
00:08:01,541 --> 00:08:02,666
enforced to
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00:08:02,666 --> 00:08:04,458
actually evaluate
566
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these systems.
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We got to go
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beyond just the
569
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politics of it
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all to say, hey,
571
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we're going to
572
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sign on to this
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climate
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agreement.
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Or we're going to
576
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sign, we're going
577
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to ratify the
578
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high seas treaty,
579
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which most
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countries
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haven't done.
582
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Only 60 have.
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Hopefully we'll
584
00:08:16,666 --> 00:08:17,041
get more.
585
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We've been able
586
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to ratify it, but
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if the countries
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that need to
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ratify it, don't
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ratify and don't
591
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follow it and
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don't actually
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hold their own
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country
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accountable to
596
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it, it's not
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really
598
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going to work.
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But don't worry.
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That's what we're
601
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here to do with
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the How to
603
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Protect the Ocean
604
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podcast.
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If you want clear
606
00:08:33,166 --> 00:08:34,125
science based
607
00:08:34,125 --> 00:08:35,000
ocean reporting
608
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every weekday,
609
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follow this show
610
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so you don't miss
611
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tomorrow's
612
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episode.
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Let's just have
614
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the final
615
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thoughts on this.
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We do not need
617
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new slogans.
618
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We need follow
619
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through.
620
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That's really
621
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what it comes
622
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down to.
623
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The ocean does
624
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not negotiate.
625
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It just happens.
626
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It responds to
627
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physics, biology
628
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and extraction
629
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pressure.
630
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You go in and
631
00:08:53,666 --> 00:08:54,291
fish in an area
632
00:08:54,291 --> 00:08:55,000
for long enough,
633
00:08:55,208 --> 00:08:55,416
it's going to
634
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just dissipate.
635
00:08:56,125 --> 00:08:56,500
It's going to be
636
00:08:56,500 --> 00:08:56,875
degraded.
637
00:08:57,708 --> 00:08:58,166
It's just simple
638
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as that.
639
00:08:58,708 --> 00:08:59,000
That's just what
640
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happens.
641
00:08:59,458 --> 00:09:00,041
We can't get away
642
00:09:00,041 --> 00:09:00,375
from it.
643
00:09:00,375 --> 00:09:01,000
You can say it as
644
00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:01,875
much as you want.
645
00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:02,458
That's not going
646
00:09:02,458 --> 00:09:02,833
to affect
647
00:09:02,833 --> 00:09:03,708
the an area.
648
00:09:04,125 --> 00:09:04,500
It's going to
649
00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:05,333
affect the area.
650
00:09:05,833 --> 00:09:06,791
You can drill oil
651
00:09:06,791 --> 00:09:07,250
and be like,
652
00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:07,708
yeah, there's not
653
00:09:07,708 --> 00:09:08,083
going to be any
654
00:09:08,083 --> 00:09:08,666
spills, but the
655
00:09:08,666 --> 00:09:09,875
spills happen and
656
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the ocean
657
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reacts to it.
658
00:09:11,500 --> 00:09:11,791
Right.
659
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All the ocean
660
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species, all the
661
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water, the
662
00:09:14,166 --> 00:09:15,208
quality, you try
663
00:09:15,208 --> 00:09:15,791
and disperse it
664
00:09:15,791 --> 00:09:16,375
and hide it.
665
00:09:16,583 --> 00:09:17,000
You're going to
666
00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:17,625
get the chemicals
667
00:09:17,625 --> 00:09:18,458
that disperse it
668
00:09:18,458 --> 00:09:19,291
all around the
669
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ocean and it's
670
00:09:19,958 --> 00:09:20,416
going to be
671
00:09:20,416 --> 00:09:21,458
highly impacted,
672
00:09:21,833 --> 00:09:22,416
especially with
673
00:09:22,416 --> 00:09:23,333
like a big spill,
674
00:09:23,333 --> 00:09:23,833
like the BP
675
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oil spill.
676
00:09:24,875 --> 00:09:25,000
Right.
677
00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:25,416
We see it
678
00:09:25,416 --> 00:09:25,958
all the time.
679
00:09:26,250 --> 00:09:26,916
You can say as
680
00:09:26,916 --> 00:09:27,666
much as you want
681
00:09:27,666 --> 00:09:28,333
to say, hey, the
682
00:09:28,333 --> 00:09:28,833
ocean is not
683
00:09:28,833 --> 00:09:29,125
going to be
684
00:09:29,125 --> 00:09:29,500
affected,
685
00:09:29,916 --> 00:09:30,833
but it is.
686
00:09:30,833 --> 00:09:31,708
And it has been
687
00:09:31,708 --> 00:09:34,125
for so, so long.
688
00:09:34,750 --> 00:09:35,041
So reduced
689
00:09:35,041 --> 00:09:35,625
pressure
690
00:09:35,625 --> 00:09:36,416
ecosystems
691
00:09:36,416 --> 00:09:37,958
recover, maintain
692
00:09:37,958 --> 00:09:38,750
pressure and
693
00:09:38,750 --> 00:09:39,208
they'll decline
694
00:09:39,208 --> 00:09:39,666
like we're doing
695
00:09:39,666 --> 00:09:40,250
right now.
696
00:09:40,833 --> 00:09:41,625
That pattern is
697
00:09:41,625 --> 00:09:42,041
consistent
698
00:09:42,041 --> 00:09:42,500
between
699
00:09:42,500 --> 00:09:42,958
fisheries,
700
00:09:43,166 --> 00:09:43,583
pollution,
701
00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:44,666
climate stress
702
00:09:44,666 --> 00:09:45,833
and governance.
703
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Protection works
704
00:09:46,958 --> 00:09:47,541
well when
705
00:09:47,541 --> 00:09:48,041
it's real.
706
00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:49,208
Real means
707
00:09:49,208 --> 00:09:50,208
funded, real
708
00:09:50,208 --> 00:09:50,958
means enforced,
709
00:09:51,416 --> 00:09:51,791
real means
710
00:09:51,791 --> 00:09:52,708
monitored and
711
00:09:52,708 --> 00:09:53,166
real means
712
00:09:53,166 --> 00:09:53,666
sustained.
713
00:09:54,250 --> 00:09:55,625
Anything less is
714
00:09:55,625 --> 00:09:56,375
just temporary.
715
00:09:56,833 --> 00:09:57,833
The future of the
716
00:09:57,833 --> 00:09:58,791
ocean will not be
717
00:09:58,791 --> 00:09:59,458
determined by
718
00:09:59,458 --> 00:10:00,291
what we promise
719
00:10:00,291 --> 00:10:01,000
it will be
720
00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:01,875
determined by
721
00:10:01,875 --> 00:10:02,458
what we
722
00:10:02,458 --> 00:10:03,000
implement.
723
00:10:04,458 --> 00:10:05,291
This whole week
724
00:10:05,291 --> 00:10:05,958
we've been going
725
00:10:05,958 --> 00:10:06,916
over enforcement
726
00:10:06,916 --> 00:10:07,708
and protections
727
00:10:07,708 --> 00:10:09,125
and what we need,
728
00:10:09,125 --> 00:10:09,291
the high
729
00:10:09,291 --> 00:10:09,916
seas treaty.
730
00:10:10,333 --> 00:10:10,916
And it's really
731
00:10:10,916 --> 00:10:11,791
important that we
732
00:10:11,791 --> 00:10:12,291
protect
733
00:10:12,291 --> 00:10:13,750
this ocean.
734
00:10:14,625 --> 00:10:15,375
It's not, it's
735
00:10:15,375 --> 00:10:15,750
like the only
736
00:10:15,750 --> 00:10:16,666
ocean we have.
737
00:10:16,916 --> 00:10:17,333
I know it's
738
00:10:17,333 --> 00:10:17,916
large, but it's
739
00:10:17,916 --> 00:10:18,500
the only ocean we
740
00:10:18,500 --> 00:10:18,875
have and it's
741
00:10:18,875 --> 00:10:19,291
hitting its
742
00:10:19,291 --> 00:10:20,500
capacity in what
743
00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:21,083
it can take.
744
00:10:21,666 --> 00:10:21,958
So I would love
745
00:10:21,958 --> 00:10:22,375
to hear your
746
00:10:22,375 --> 00:10:23,166
feedback on what
747
00:10:23,166 --> 00:10:23,666
you think can
748
00:10:23,666 --> 00:10:24,875
work or what
749
00:10:24,875 --> 00:10:25,500
you've seen that
750
00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:25,916
works or what
751
00:10:25,916 --> 00:10:26,375
you've seen that
752
00:10:26,375 --> 00:10:26,541
you're
753
00:10:26,541 --> 00:10:27,250
frustrated with.
754
00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:28,291
Let me know if go
755
00:10:28,291 --> 00:10:28,416
to
756
00:10:28,416 --> 00:10:29,750
speakupforblue.com
757
00:10:29,750 --> 00:10:30,666
forward slash
758
00:10:30,666 --> 00:10:31,291
feedback.
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All one word
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speakupforblue.com
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00:10:33,875 --> 00:10:34,875
forward slash
762
00:10:34,875 --> 00:10:35,625
feedback.
763
00:10:35,625 --> 00:10:36,000
Let me know how
764
00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:36,333
you feel.
765
00:10:36,333 --> 00:10:36,666
You can leave a
766
00:10:36,666 --> 00:10:38,166
voicemail or you
767
00:10:38,166 --> 00:10:38,500
can write
768
00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:39,083
something down.
769
00:10:39,333 --> 00:10:39,916
I would love to
770
00:10:39,916 --> 00:10:40,250
hear it because
771
00:10:40,250 --> 00:10:40,750
this is the start
772
00:10:40,750 --> 00:10:41,416
of a conversation
773
00:10:41,416 --> 00:10:42,291
that I would like
774
00:10:42,291 --> 00:10:43,083
to have with you
775
00:10:43,083 --> 00:10:43,458
each and
776
00:10:43,458 --> 00:10:43,750
every one.
777
00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:45,125
And I would love
778
00:10:45,125 --> 00:10:46,166
to hear what you
779
00:10:46,166 --> 00:10:46,791
have to say.
780
00:10:47,083 --> 00:10:47,583
So thank you so
781
00:10:47,583 --> 00:10:48,083
much for joining
782
00:10:48,083 --> 00:10:48,791
me on today's
783
00:10:48,791 --> 00:10:49,500
episode of the
784
00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:49,916
How to Protect
785
00:10:49,916 --> 00:10:50,250
the Ocean
786
00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:50,708
podcast.
787
00:10:51,125 --> 00:10:51,708
Have a great day.
788
00:10:51,708 --> 00:10:52,125
We'll talk to you
789
00:10:52,125 --> 00:10:53,125
next time and
790
00:10:53,125 --> 00:10:53,333
happy
791
00:10:53,333 --> 00:10:53,708
conservation.
