Explore the Ocean Floor: Why Mapping the Deep Matters and How You Can Get Involved

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Have you ever wondered why it's so
difficult to explore the ocean floor?

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It's a lot.

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It's the deep sea.

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There's a lot of pressure down there.

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It's, you know, 3000 meters deep at
some points and even more at others.

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It's a very difficult environment to
work in, but there are people around

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the world who are trying to map the
ocean floor, who are trying to find

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ways to know more about the ocean floor,
and I am very delighted to have on.

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Tim Kerns, executive director of MAP
the Gaps, who is putting on a conference

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that is called Ocean Floor Explorer.

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It's happening at the end of
October from the 26th to the 29th

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in Victoria, bc. It's gonna be open
and it is open to international.

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People who are interested in exploring the
ocean floor and mapping the gaps, we're

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gonna talk about some of the major topics
like funding, technology and storytelling,

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and getting people interested around the
world of how they can get involved in

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finding out what's part of the ocean.

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All on this episode of the How
to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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Let's start the show.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another exciting episode
of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin, and
this is the podcast where you find

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out what's happening with the ocean,
how you could speak up for the

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ocean, and what you can do to live
for a better ocean by taking action.

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You know, it's really interesting when
things come full circle in 2003, 2004,

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back when I was a young lad and just
getting into, you know, the ocean and

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ocean conservation and ocean science.

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I did an advanced diploma doing a
GIS analyst, and I did this diploma.

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It was an eight month diploma on
the other side of Nova Scotia.

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I was doing my master's in and around
the same time at Kid University on the

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Bay of Fundee side, and I can't happened
to come across this advanced diploma.

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My supervisor's like,
Andrew, you gotta take this.

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You should take this.

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I was like, it's a long drive.

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Compared to where I was living in Halifax
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and I had to go every day of the week.

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It was a big investment, but it was
probably the best investment that I

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made in my life because not only did I
get an advanced diploma, that's helped

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me stay employed for a long time.

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But also I met some great people, and one
of those people was a teacher that taught

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me remote sensing, and that's Tim Kerns.

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Over the years, Tim and I kind
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after he taught me for a year.

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He went down to California, he
stayed on the West coast and he did

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a number of different things, which
we interviewed him on last time.

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He was on the podcast
earlier in the summer.

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And I'll link to that interview
down below in the show notes.

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But you know, we kind of reconnected
through this project and it was through

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the podcast that I was able to learn
about, map the gaps through a couple

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of friends and the networking that
I've done through the podcasting.

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Then we got to reconnect and knowing
that, hey, I know Tim Kerns, he's the

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executive director of Map to Gas, but he
is also used to be my teacher when I was

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doing an advanced diploma in GIS analysis.

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And so I was like, this is really cool.

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This is gonna be such an easy interview
'cause we've known each other for so

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long and just haven't talked in a while.

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So, you know, we spent a number
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over Zoom and over Riverside.

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Not only recording podcast episodes,
but just discussing the importance of

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mapping the ocean floor and what that is
going to look like and how to fund it.

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And now we're talking about a conference
that he's helped put on for a number of

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different years, and it's a symposium
and now a conference, and it's in

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BC and it's bringing people from all
over the world together to discuss.

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How we're gonna map the ocean.

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We're getting closer
and closer to doing it.

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We need to move faster
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So this is getting even more important
each and every year to start understanding

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how we could map the gaps, looking
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storytelling, to investing to funding.

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To actual use of technology
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then what to do with the data.

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After that, it comes on the heels of
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by 60 countries, which just happened
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weekend, or just before the weekend.

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As of recording this podcast, September
22nd, and it is awesome just to see how

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everything is coming together full circle.

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And I love this, and I love the fact
that I've been doing this podcast for

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so long, for 10 years and being able to.

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Reconnect with people that have been in
my life that are doing new things and

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being able to bring their story and story
of the stuff that they're working on, the

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projects that they're working on to you,
to the audience who've been listening

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to me for whether it be 10 years, one
year, less than a year, a couple of

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weeks, you be able to understand what's
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trying to not only map the ocean, but
just understand it and just in general.

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And I think it's such a big
thing that we have to do.

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It's something that I'm looking
forward to being able to bring you

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and the information to bring you.

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So with all that said, this
is gonna be a great interview,

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learning about the conference.

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If you want to go to the conference,
please, you can register below.

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I would love to see you there.

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I'm gonna try and get to there as well.

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So if you want to do
that, just register below.

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But here's the interview with Tim Kerns.

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Enjoy and I'll talk to you after.

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Hey Tim, welcome back to the How
to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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Are you ready to talk about
mapping the ocean floor?

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I am always ready to talk about mapping
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involves undiscovered discoveries.

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Oh, I love it.

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I love it, man.

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Being prepared.

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This is awesome.

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Uh, Tim, this is great
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We talked last time, uh, about
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that is here, uh, that we're gonna
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But actually we're gonna be focusing
on the conference that map the

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guests puts on, uh, and it's, it
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happening at the end of October.

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In Victoria, bc Beautiful of
Victoria, bc. Uh, and we're gonna

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talk about what's gonna happen
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Uh, and I think this is a, a perfect
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have here to go to a conference, to, uh.

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Kind of network with a number of different
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science, conservation, ex exploration,
and so in technology, um, plus investors

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and funders and all these different types
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Um, it's gonna be great.

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So we're gonna be talking about
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that, can you just remind people
of who you are and what you do?

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Well, thanks Andrew.

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It's great to be on
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Yes.

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Uh, and I feel like we've known
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A really long time.

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I've gotten to know you, uh, very well
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been a real pleasure and a treat for me.

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Uh, so yeah, my name's Tim Kerns.

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I'm the Executive
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I've been involved with Ocean
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going back to the late nineties.

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And uh, it's something that
I'm very passionate about.

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And one of the reasons that I am is people
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Do what you do?

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And part of it is that, uh, innate
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that almost all humans have, right?

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Yes.

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Of being able to see and visualize
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That I know no other human
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It's absolutely wild.

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And then the other part of why we do
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Uh, either anthropogenic or
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That can be, um, uncovered.

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Right.

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Really, I, I would say unearthed, but I
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Rex plane wrecks, canyons,
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you know, interesting features.

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Sand dunes, uh, super wild marine
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So yeah, we haven't even discovered
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We often say 75% of the oceans are
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of it of another way, 50% of
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Like that's, yeah.

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Imagine buying a house and then af being
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I've never been in half this house before.

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Yeah, that's wild.

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And uh, so that's how
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I, and I love that now, you know,
why do you like, you, you, we know

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why you love the ocean bottom.

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Like, we know why you want to
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other people to do it as well.

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What's your biggest pitch when
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care about the ocean bottom?

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Like, what's the, how's
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You know, in the long run?

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Well, there's, there's two
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And, uh, and sometimes we would call
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What's the mm-hmm.

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Economic return on investment for
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There's definite, um, uh, blue economy.

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That's what we refer to technology and
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benefits from around this type of effort.

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Uh, there's just been a recent
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Kingdom Hydrographic Office in June.

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I invite people to check it out.

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Um, I'll give you the link and we can
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Um, and that describes how
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there is, which is substantial.

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So from an economic standpoint, whether
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the ocean for the resources that may be.

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Uh, realized from it, understanding
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how the ocean moves benthic habitats.

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Um, of critters that live
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Um, but then there's also that other
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and I think that provides a lot of.

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Maybe it's not a direct economic value.

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But there's a real human value to
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exploring what's in our own backyard
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goes from that, particularly if it
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is used for conservation purpose.

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Then we can better protect
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And that, I would say that's the number
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involved in this effort, which is how
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we don't understand the characterization
of what they look like on the bottom?

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And it affects so many things from
climate change to, uh, sea level

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rise to conservation and marine
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potential mining sites, right?

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Uh, which is making a lot of
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Yeah, it's amazing.

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You know, when we, when we look at
the, the ability that we have to do so

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to actually map the ocean bottom, the
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take to do so, the challenges that
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To map the ocean bottom.

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It's big, it's vast, it's expensive.

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There's a lot of challenges with
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Um, there's a lot of stuff going on.

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I no doubt know that there is technology
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together to be able to map the ocean
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you know, humans who live on this planet.

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Um, but when we talk about
such a a, a, a large.

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Thing to do, uh, knowing, like last
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doing it in, in like small sections
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and larger and build upon that, uh, and
look at funding models and everything.

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But when we, when we discuss
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just one person has this idea.

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There are many other people around the
world, pieces around the world who are

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just like, we want to do the same thing.

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This is how we're gonna go about it.

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This is how we're gonna go about it.

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And the best way to bring those people
together to discuss and to for everybody

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to like share those ideas is a conference
like, you know, ocean Floor explore.

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Like this is, you know, a conference
where that'll help bring people

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together so that they can actually
discuss all the different aspects of

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what it will take to map these gaps.

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Right?

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What it was gonna take to
explore that, that ocean floor.

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And so.

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To do this.

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Like, I, now we know why we're doing this.

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We know why you like, map the gaps
is hosting this conference, uh,

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in, in collaboration with, with
other organizations, but really

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it's map the gaps driving this.

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I like, how are you
bringing all these together?

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How are you?

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Like, is this, you know, 20 years of you?

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Decades of you like being in the
business and, and meeting people,

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uh, and saying, okay, these are
the people would be good for this.

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Or I know this organization out
here is working on this, or this

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investor is interested in this.

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How do you start bringing people
together like this and, and

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how do you get the word out?

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Uh, that's a great question.

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Well, uh.

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I am sure you've heard the
term, the network effect, right?

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Yes, absolutely.

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And uh, and I'm fortunate that I've
worked in a number of different

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organizations over the course of
my career and I'm a reasonably

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social and outgoing human being.

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Yes, you are.

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And I've met a lot of people
and I have good relationship

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with lots of people as well.

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I've also been running a Map
the Gap symposium since 2016.

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And I've been fortunate to have attracted
a bit of a following, not me personally,

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but Map the Gaps has attracted a
following, has a lot of relationships

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with companies and organizations
who are familiar with the symposium

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series and have had interest in the
past or have attended in the past.

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Uh, I also in the people
who attend the conferences.

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Uh, often it was 70, 80% was
the first time they'd been

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to a mouth to cap symposium.

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Mm-hmm.

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Although this event has remained
relatively small in terms of

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numbers being a hundred, 150 people,
it's small enough that it still

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becomes more of an intimate affair.

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Where the networking opportunity
is really, really good.

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Mm-hmm.

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Which ultimately ends up amplifying
the message of what we're trying to do.

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And I've also been fortunate through
the math the Gap series to partner

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with different host organizations
each year and have the benefits

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of sponsorship that come with.

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Uh, different companies and organizations
that wanna support the event.

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So ranging from National Ocean
National Oceanography Center in

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Southampton a couple years ago.

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International Hydrographic
Organization in Monaco in 2023.

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Um, uh, in the Chilean Navy
in 2016 was the first one, uh,

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that I was involved with doing.

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And then other organizations
sponsoring, like Geosciences

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Australia, uh, geosciences
Australia, noaa, uh, seabed 2030.

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Mm-hmm.

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Key Carta Gro Schmidt Ocean Institute,
Kongsberg, you know, there's all these

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ocean mapping related tech, and that's
just a few of them who, who have

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come and supported these events now.

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I'm limited in my sphere
because I'm not connected with.

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Wealthy individuals or investment firms
or hedge fund managers and stuff, right.

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So I'm part of what we're doing
through Ocean Floor Explorer, and

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that's what makes this conference
different from the other map.

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The GAP symposium is really trying
to develop this message of how can we

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expand the funding footprint and the
mechanisms for ocean floor exploration.

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But it's not just the money, it's
also how would we go about doing it?

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And the how then brings in the
technology, but also the people.

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Because sometimes people say, can you map?

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Can't you map the ocean from space?

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Or why can't you map the ocean from space?

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And the simple answer is, well, you
can map some of the ocean from space.

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We need to rely on something called
satellite derived bathymetry.

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Companies like Te Carta who will be here,
are speaking at the conference, right?

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They have amazing algorithms and
technologies for being able to produce.

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High resolution maps of the
ocean floor from space, right?

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However, that technology is limited to
a certain water depth and water clarity,

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so well then we have to rely on other
technologies that can transmit sound

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from vessels to the bottom of the ocean.

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But even that is limiting because
not all sonar equipment can go all

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the way to the bottom of the ocean.

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So then you need bigger sonar
equipment with bigger vessels

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that need to go further offshore.

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And so I like to think of this and my
good friend Vicki Farini at uh, Lamont

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Dougherty Earth Observation would
say it's a puzzle and we all need to

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contribute our own puzzle pieces to,
uh, to this, whether it's funding,

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participation, technology, approvals.

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Right.

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Even ideas.

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Mm-hmm.

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This is where the startup
communities come in.

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We've got index tech from,
uh, the UK is coming.

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A very, very young startup
company, but amazing ideas.

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Uh, I think they're still in
university, in fact, but that's the

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startup, that's the younger generation
perspective with new ideas, new

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perspectives that we need to embrace.

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Yeah, because if we keep relying on the
same people and the same organizations

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doing it, it's never gonna happen.

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So that's part of the purpose of the
conference, is to bring all these

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people together and let's have the
conversation about what do we need to do.

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I love it.

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It, it's, it's, uh, it's one
of those things where there's

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so many different aspects.

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Me as like a, as a marine scientist,
right, and loving technology and stuff,

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I see the benefits from a research
standpoint, from a conservation standpoint

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to know as much information as possible.

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But I find sometimes when I'm in that
I might, I get this tunnel vision

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where I'm just looking at, okay,
what's good for marine research?

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What's good for the
benefit of conservation?

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You, you have come from a very different
background than I have in terms of,

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you've coming from, uh, you know, you, you
taught remote sensing and GIS and coming

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and, and you've, you've had a very, uh,
interesting and diverse background, you

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know, going forward, like after that, uh,
when we met in, in, in 2003, 2004, uh,

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working for ESRI and then, and then having
a couple of your own, uh, co co-founding

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and founding companies of your own,
what was the most surprising aspect of.

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Uh, this of of exploring the
ocean and trying to get people,

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more people to map the gaps.

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What was the, the, the most surprising
part that is a big part of, you

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know, the, the symposium now?

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Well, one surprise I have, and
may, may sound a bit negative, is

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it's actually hard to get people
excited and I think that speaks to.

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The lack of awareness of
a, how big the oceans are.

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And, and I don't mean that, uh,
you know, critically of people.

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I think people, of course, it's hard to
appreciate just how big the oceans are.

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Uh, I think some people don't appreciate
how unexplored they really are.

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Mm. And that's because other mapping
platforms like Google Earth, right, where

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you, you can see base maps of the ocean.

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Some of them are derived by
interpreted measurements over.

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Um, dozens of kilometers, which is
fine to give us a general picture.

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Yeah.

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But go to any Google Earth and
zoom into a few spots of the ocean

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and you'll see how degraded and
pixelated, uh, quickly it gets.

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Mm-hmm.

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But many people don't realize that,
that it's already been mapped.

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In the 1960s, national Geographic
produced an artist rendition.

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It's very famous, of
course, was on the cover.

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Uh, and many people thought back then,
well, the oceans have been mapped because

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of this, this beautiful illustration.

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And it was really, that's
exactly what it was.

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It was an illustration of
what the depths looked like.

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Yeah.

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In part, based on, uh, uh, in
part, based on measurements.

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Um, but nonetheless it was still,
uh, largely an illustration

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and an artist rendition.

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So that's a couple of big challenges.

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And then I think a third challenge,
of course, is getting people to get

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excited enough about getting involved.

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Mm. And that's, that takes maybe some
commitment or passion or investment.

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And that's part of what Ocean
Floor explore is about, which

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is how do we ex excite people?

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Yeah.

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Whether they be people with money
or people with ideas, or people

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with technology or people with
approval and regulatory processes.

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How do we get them ex
excited and involved?

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So to me those are kind of the
challenging parts of this conference.

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I would love it if this conference
was 500 people or a thousand people.

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Right.

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Um, and maybe the next
time we do it, it will be.

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Mm-hmm.

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But for now, we're, uh, I feel like
we're at the beginning of a conversation

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for how do we get serious about
exploring the ocean floor and how

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do we take the power of what Seabed
2030 has been doing for the last, uh,

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eight or nine years, and convert that.

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Uh, energy into actionable exploration.

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And, uh, that's the, to me, the really
exciting part about the next decade

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I think, of what we're moving into.

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And I think there's like a, a, a push and
pull or an advantage and disadvantage of,

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of getting more and more people involved.

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You know, when you get more people
involved, it's great 'cause you get more

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eyes on it, more years on it, more ideas.

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And it's, and it's great to, to put those
ideas forward and evaluate those ideas.

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But then you get some, like, again, the,
the conservation side coming out and you

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get people who want to, you know, exploit.

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The ocean for a lot of different things.

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Like, like we've exploited land in
the, in the past, and that could

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have consequences, uh, in that.

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So I, there's, there's advantages
and d disadvantages, of course.

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Um, but right now the advantage of
just is, is, I, I agree with you.

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I, I feel like sometimes the deep
sea, just like sometimes in space.

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It's so out of context for us.

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It's like a lot of us don't, probably
won't go to space in our lifetime, um,

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some more than others, but it is cost a
lot of money a apparently to go, to go

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to space if you want to go to space now.

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Uh, and that's for like two minutes,
but it even like the depth of, of the

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sea, it's very difficult to get there.

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It's expensive to get there and so
it's very difficult to tie that.

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To people's and understanding of like,
Hey, this is why this is important.

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Um, and I feel like storytelling
comes in to that aspect too, of,

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you know, having great stories to.

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Discuss the importance of the deep sea,
uh, discuss the mystery of the deep sea

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and, and what we don't know yet about,
you know, the bottom of the ocean that

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could help us in the future, or just the
knowledge of that could help us in the

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future, even protecting it in the future.

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Do you find that, like, I know you,
you have been, you, you and I have

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a, a common, uh, a common friend and
colleague, uh, Natalie Gilson, who's

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been, you know, is, is a big part.

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Of the storytelling context of a
lot of, of Canadian organizations,

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uh, working for Pisces.

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And do you find that's like putting
in it in that context, do you think

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that's like a gap that people have?

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Not only just in in ocean in general, but
especially in like exploring the deep sea

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and trying to bring that out, that emotion
out for people to say, Hey, you know

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what, like this is why this is important.

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Yeah, a hundred percent.

436
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That's a great question.

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Uh, we have a whole session called,
uh, communication strategies, uh,

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uh, at Ocean Floor Explorer, uh,
moderated by Sophie Silks from coast.

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And then, as you mentioned, Natalie
Gilson from Pisces is on it, as

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well as Joy Ani from Schmidt Ocean
and Heather Manix from Compass.

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Um, that's precisely the purpose
of that session is to talk about

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communication methods and strategies.

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How do we reach people?

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How, how do we get people excited?

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Because not everyone gets excited by
science, uh, or science for the sake of

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science, especially if it's not in context
to something that they're familiar with.

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Mm-hmm.

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And whether those stories are.

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Here's an example.

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Just, uh, Dr. Don Wright from Esri.

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She's the chief scientist and,
uh, uh, first woman of color to go

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to the deepest part of the ocean.

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Yeah.

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With Victor Vivo. Uh, a few years ago,
she just recently did an interview with

455
00:22:58,740 --> 00:23:03,810
NPR, and as part of that, one of the
NPR illustrators made a, a comic strip,

456
00:23:04,139 --> 00:23:09,870
uh, describing her journey, but also
the importance of deep sea mapping.

457
00:23:10,170 --> 00:23:10,260
Yeah.

458
00:23:10,350 --> 00:23:13,980
And it was a great way to
illustrate and communicate.

459
00:23:14,550 --> 00:23:17,640
Uh, something that's so
important to so many people.

460
00:23:17,910 --> 00:23:21,150
And, but it was also a unique
perspective because you don't see a

461
00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:26,310
lot of comic strips or comic style,
uh, you know, presentation pieces or

462
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:29,040
media assets on, on this, on this topic.

463
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,850
And that's just one.

464
00:23:30,030 --> 00:23:34,140
I think another one is, and maybe we
will learn at ocean floor explorers,

465
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,000
can we do something with mass media?

466
00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:36,540
Mm-hmm.

467
00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:38,225
Can we leverage social media more?

468
00:23:38,925 --> 00:23:42,195
To make people aware, get people
excited, and get people interested

469
00:23:42,195 --> 00:23:46,965
and, and, uh, invested in this either
financially or, or, or otherwise.

470
00:23:47,235 --> 00:23:49,605
And, uh, so I, I think that's a huge part.

471
00:23:49,605 --> 00:23:52,635
That's probably one of the biggest
challenges is, is identifying

472
00:23:52,665 --> 00:23:53,835
that's, that's another gap map.

473
00:23:53,835 --> 00:23:58,725
The gaps isn't just about the
physical mapping, it's also about

474
00:23:58,725 --> 00:24:02,325
bridging those gaps of who's
doing what and who's involved.

475
00:24:02,370 --> 00:24:02,429
Yeah.

476
00:24:02,699 --> 00:24:06,629
Uh, that's why the tagline for the
company is Connected Oceans and Connected

477
00:24:06,629 --> 00:24:10,350
People, because really this is a people,
this is, this is a human mission.

478
00:24:10,350 --> 00:24:11,550
This is not a science mission.

479
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:12,390
No.

480
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:15,390
Absolutely, and I, I think something
that always gets me, you talk about

481
00:24:15,390 --> 00:24:19,020
storytelling and getting people
interested in deep sea, there's, uh, I,

482
00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:21,420
I, I doom scroll quite a bit on online.

483
00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:23,910
I try and keep it to oceans
and football that's in hockey.

484
00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:25,740
That's my, that's what
I try and keep it to.

485
00:24:26,010 --> 00:24:27,660
But every once in a
while, I come across this.

486
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,680
This, this video, and it's
these deep sea biologists.

487
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,659
They're in a ROV and they're like, they
find these animals and they're like,

488
00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:37,310
oh, look, it's such and such animal.

489
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:40,100
Or it's like a new octopus
species, or this is, we haven't

490
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:41,149
seen this one in a while.

491
00:24:41,149 --> 00:24:44,570
And, and there's really cute little
animals and like really interesting

492
00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:48,770
shapes and sizes and colors and
bioluminescence and everything like that.

493
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:51,740
And they're, you hear like the, the
geekiness in the science of like

494
00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:54,320
the nerdiness in the scientists
being like, oh, look what we have

495
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,284
here and it's all this kind of fun.

496
00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:57,000
And I feel like that helps.

497
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,419
I feel like when people can see that there
are actual animals that are living at

498
00:25:00,419 --> 00:25:04,439
the bottom, when there's actually things
and, and there's characteristics that are

499
00:25:04,679 --> 00:25:09,209
similar to what we see on land or even in
the oceans, like in the shallow oceans.

500
00:25:09,419 --> 00:25:12,060
People really get involved in that.

501
00:25:12,239 --> 00:25:14,729
And I feel like there's
a component there for.

502
00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:19,290
Uh, you know, for, for just mapping the
ocean bottom in almost like a, a, a double

503
00:25:19,290 --> 00:25:23,010
benefit or as they're mapping the bottom,
people can take these types of pictures

504
00:25:23,010 --> 00:25:26,460
and take these type types of videos and
be like, look what we found in this area.

505
00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:28,980
And nobody would've known this
if we didn't, if we weren't

506
00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:29,820
down here, and stuff like that.

507
00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:34,139
And really just generate the curiosity
and, and really, uh, inspire the curiosity

508
00:25:34,139 --> 00:25:37,830
of more people to get, to get to the
deep sea, uh, and be able to like.

509
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,820
Hear from the people who are exploring
it from yourself and others who will

510
00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:44,280
be at this conference who are like,
no, we're gonna go to the bottom,

511
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,210
or we're gonna see the bottom.

512
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,330
We're gonna send ROVs at the bottom
and we're gonna be talking about them.

513
00:25:48,330 --> 00:25:49,025
And I think that's like.

514
00:25:49,754 --> 00:25:55,274
One of the big, big storytelling grabs
that we can take and take advantage of

515
00:25:55,274 --> 00:25:59,115
when, when people are gonna the bottom
to get people interested in funding

516
00:25:59,175 --> 00:26:02,774
more projects or just like, Hey, I
wanna see this area in the Indian

517
00:26:02,774 --> 00:26:05,835
Ocean or this area in the, in the
Mid-Atlantic bite, or something like

518
00:26:05,835 --> 00:26:07,995
that to see what's there, you know?

519
00:26:08,235 --> 00:26:08,925
Um, right.

520
00:26:08,925 --> 00:26:11,264
I think that would be, I think that
would be a really, a really cool

521
00:26:11,264 --> 00:26:13,995
thing, um, to have in, in that aspect.

522
00:26:13,995 --> 00:26:14,205
Right.

523
00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:16,170
Well, let me speak to that.

524
00:26:16,170 --> 00:26:20,820
So, uh, one of the, the keynote for
Monday, October the 27th is Moron

525
00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:25,470
Harris, uh, also known as, uh,
the imaginative scientist, right?

526
00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:29,040
And she's got hundreds of days at
sea, a very accomplished human being

527
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:31,890
as an oceanographer and a researcher.

528
00:26:32,190 --> 00:26:37,110
And she'll be speaking specifically
at the conference about those.

529
00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:41,760
Perspectives of discoveries on the
ocean floor and, and maybe she'll talk

530
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,210
about how some of them could even be
used for advancing medical science.

531
00:26:45,390 --> 00:26:48,870
Mm. So imagine if we can make
discoveries on the sea floor that

532
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:52,980
would ultimately end up benefiting
humans from a medical perspective,

533
00:26:52,980 --> 00:26:58,080
either through treatments for diseases
or medicines or whatever it may be.

534
00:26:58,290 --> 00:27:01,860
And that's a whole unique perspective,
but it makes it extremely relatable.

535
00:27:02,190 --> 00:27:05,490
To humans, of course, of the importance
of doing this on the second day.

536
00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:09,540
Then we've got Victor Visco, of course,
another phenomenal and accomplished

537
00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:13,770
adventurer and human being will be talking
about technology that he's developing,

538
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:15,840
which would help aid this effort.

539
00:27:16,605 --> 00:27:19,125
And, uh, so once again,
two very different mm-hmm.

540
00:27:19,365 --> 00:27:24,705
Keynote speakers, but helping, uh, add
perspective in that human dimension.

541
00:27:25,034 --> 00:27:29,475
Um, to this, we've got a number of
other companies who will be showcasing

542
00:27:29,625 --> 00:27:31,815
their technologies at Ocean Tech Live.

543
00:27:31,815 --> 00:27:36,795
The demo Day, which is hosted by Coast,
uh, the Center for Ocean, uh, applied

544
00:27:36,795 --> 00:27:39,315
Sustainable Technologies here in Victoria.

545
00:27:39,315 --> 00:27:41,955
And that's, uh, just across the
street from the Victoria Conference

546
00:27:41,955 --> 00:27:45,080
Center, and there'll be a dozen and
a half at least companies there.

547
00:27:45,685 --> 00:27:46,764
Presenting technologies.

548
00:27:46,764 --> 00:27:51,054
Not all of them related to ocean floor
exploration, but, and that's okay.

549
00:27:51,084 --> 00:27:51,655
I mean, right.

550
00:27:51,655 --> 00:27:55,014
A lot of the technologies that are being
developed in the blue economy space,

551
00:27:55,375 --> 00:28:01,135
um, ha, have in some part be, are able
to survive because of the bathymetry

552
00:28:01,135 --> 00:28:02,754
that's been mapped in these areas.

553
00:28:03,054 --> 00:28:05,965
We've got seaweed, uh,
technology companies.

554
00:28:05,965 --> 00:28:09,745
We've got technologies making
semi-autonomous and autonomous vehicles.

555
00:28:09,745 --> 00:28:11,814
We've got telecommunication companies.

556
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:15,389
Um, companies that are making
really important sensors that need

557
00:28:15,389 --> 00:28:17,699
to go on vehicles that go under
the bottom of the ocean, you know?

558
00:28:17,699 --> 00:28:17,820
Yeah.

559
00:28:18,060 --> 00:28:22,740
So all of this relates to ocean
exploration and ocean discovery,

560
00:28:23,010 --> 00:28:27,000
and, uh, they're a part of this event
because of what we're trying to do.

561
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,870
So I think there's, once again,
that networking effect of amplifying

562
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:33,750
the message, getting more people
interested and excited about

563
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:37,230
ocean, and ocean technology and
ocean floor exploration is real.

564
00:28:37,260 --> 00:28:38,070
The real key here.

565
00:28:38,595 --> 00:28:39,615
It is such a key.

566
00:28:39,885 --> 00:28:43,065
And, and again, there's so many different
types of people coming, like with a lot

567
00:28:43,065 --> 00:28:46,725
of different backgrounds, international
backgrounds, uh, not just Canadians,

568
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:50,415
where, where this is taking place, uh,
which is, which is really impactful things

569
00:28:50,415 --> 00:28:55,245
because people are gonna bring their own
stories, their own, uh, style of, of,

570
00:28:55,275 --> 00:28:59,415
uh, doing professional projects and, and
getting together and speaking together.

571
00:28:59,855 --> 00:29:03,785
How big is it for, for the
conference and for the symposium?

572
00:29:04,115 --> 00:29:07,775
Um, to get people from different
backgrounds, like from all over

573
00:29:07,775 --> 00:29:09,695
the world to come together.

574
00:29:09,695 --> 00:29:12,485
I think we mentioned before, before
we record, there's gonna be people

575
00:29:12,485 --> 00:29:17,435
from like the Middle East, from, from
Asian countries, from South America,

576
00:29:17,435 --> 00:29:21,155
from all over the place, uh, to come
together and, and be able to exchange

577
00:29:21,155 --> 00:29:23,345
ideas and then at the conference.

578
00:29:23,345 --> 00:29:25,625
How is that gonna be
facilitated other than just.

579
00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:28,650
You know, having dinners together
and lunches together and so forth,

580
00:29:28,650 --> 00:29:30,120
and just being in the same room.

581
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,770
But are there any, uh, parts of the, uh,
of, of the conference that are gonna be

582
00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:36,990
dedicated towards just exchanging ideas?

583
00:29:37,665 --> 00:29:39,125
Uh, yeah, so that's a great idea.

584
00:29:39,125 --> 00:29:39,605
There's.

585
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:41,010
Pardon me.

586
00:29:41,010 --> 00:29:41,610
A great question.

587
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:45,540
Uh, it's fantastic having
international representation.

588
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,379
Uh, it really speaks to the
diversity of who's involved mm-hmm.

589
00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:51,419
In this activity, this global activity.

590
00:29:51,419 --> 00:29:54,419
It's not a, not a North American or right.

591
00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:56,250
Western Nation initiative.

592
00:29:56,250 --> 00:29:57,840
This is a global initiative.

593
00:29:58,150 --> 00:30:00,490
Uh, really being led by CBE 2030.

594
00:30:00,490 --> 00:30:04,900
I mean, and they've got over 200 companies
that are from all over the world who are

595
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:08,500
part of this, in addition to national
governments and academic institutions

596
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:10,270
that are part of CBE 2030 as well.

597
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,410
So, CED 2030 has done a great job and
they of course, will be representing

598
00:30:14,410 --> 00:30:16,330
the, um, their organization.

599
00:30:16,665 --> 00:30:20,115
And their efforts, they're bringing
the Bathie sphere, which is this inter

600
00:30:20,235 --> 00:30:22,545
interactive physical globe display.

601
00:30:22,545 --> 00:30:25,845
So members of the public could
potentially come, or maybe people

602
00:30:25,845 --> 00:30:28,395
who are attending the conference
could interact and learn about that

603
00:30:28,395 --> 00:30:29,775
and visually see what's happening.

604
00:30:30,405 --> 00:30:34,665
International representation also brings
different perspectives and different

605
00:30:34,665 --> 00:30:40,245
ideas, and there is a, in addition
to the networking and the questions

606
00:30:40,245 --> 00:30:44,475
after the sessions, uh, there's a
whole workshop on Tuesday afternoon.

607
00:30:44,475 --> 00:30:45,615
That's October the 28th.

608
00:30:46,034 --> 00:30:48,915
Called aspirational funding
mechanisms for mm-hmm.

609
00:30:49,665 --> 00:30:50,445
Floor exploration.

610
00:30:50,445 --> 00:30:54,165
And that's co-hosted with, uh, Jeb
Co, which is the general bath metric

611
00:30:54,165 --> 00:30:56,175
chart of the oceans and map the gaps.

612
00:30:56,565 --> 00:30:59,865
Bring together thought
leaders to spark conversation.

613
00:31:00,014 --> 00:31:03,254
No presentations, no long monologues here.

614
00:31:03,254 --> 00:31:05,534
This is about asking a few hard questions.

615
00:31:05,835 --> 00:31:09,045
Getting some unique perspectives
and then getting people in

616
00:31:09,045 --> 00:31:10,755
the room to talk about it.

617
00:31:11,025 --> 00:31:17,565
Mm. To talk about their experiences, their
crazy ideas or new ideas or perspectives,

618
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:21,555
and, and then hopefully convert that
into an action plan that we can then

619
00:31:21,555 --> 00:31:23,175
carry forward beyond this conference.

620
00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:25,770
Uh, it's, it's no good just
to talk about this stuff.

621
00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:27,000
You have to capture the ideas.

622
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:27,060
Yeah.

623
00:31:27,090 --> 00:31:28,650
And then you have to put,
you know, an action plan.

624
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,540
Uh, so I'm very much looking forward
to that Aspirational, uh, funding

625
00:31:33,540 --> 00:31:36,690
models, uh, workshop with, uh, Jeb bco.

626
00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:38,940
I think it's gonna be a really
interesting perspective.

627
00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:40,020
There's two lenses to that.

628
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:44,580
One is inside national jurisdictions
and another is outside because

629
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:47,490
mapping in inside territorial waters.

630
00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:51,270
Carries, uh, a different
price tag for one.

631
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:55,800
Yeah, a different level of complexity
when there's, uh, national governments

632
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,770
involved, there could be levels
of national security permitting,

633
00:31:58,770 --> 00:32:00,419
bureaucracy, who knows, right?

634
00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:03,930
There's lots of different reasons
for why it's challenging to

635
00:32:03,930 --> 00:32:06,060
map inside national waters.

636
00:32:06,270 --> 00:32:09,810
Conversely, there's also lots of reasons
why it's challenging to map outside of.

637
00:32:10,125 --> 00:32:10,995
National waters.

638
00:32:11,205 --> 00:32:13,785
Uh, just because it's the high
seas doesn't mean it's easy.

639
00:32:13,785 --> 00:32:13,845
Yeah.

640
00:32:14,250 --> 00:32:14,540
Yeah.

641
00:32:15,855 --> 00:32:19,215
Um, and so we'll be talking
about, uh, strategies for

642
00:32:19,245 --> 00:32:20,745
how to explore that as well.

643
00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:22,980
Well, and, and just to
mention, uh, the, the.

644
00:32:23,790 --> 00:32:25,680
The Highs Seas Treaty just got ratified.

645
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:29,940
They just hit the 60, 60 country
mark, so that could be more of a

646
00:32:29,940 --> 00:32:34,290
conversation than ever because they,
there might be some rules, uh, in that

647
00:32:34,290 --> 00:32:36,450
treaty around mapping the ocean floor.

648
00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:40,620
So hopefully there could be some benefits
to discussing that in this conversation

649
00:32:40,620 --> 00:32:44,070
when it just, just got ratified this
past weekend as of recording this.

650
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:45,690
So, uh, in, in September.

651
00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:49,560
So this is, this is good news and it's
good to be able to have an international

652
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,060
audience that are probably interested.

653
00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:52,350
I mean, we're obviously,
we're interested in mapping.

654
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,400
All of the oceans.

655
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,610
So it's not just the ones within
the exclusive economic zones,

656
00:32:56,610 --> 00:32:57,990
but uh, but even in the High Sea.

657
00:32:57,990 --> 00:33:01,980
So it's good to have some rules and,
and regulations around that and getting

658
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:04,170
countries to, uh, put that into place.

659
00:33:04,170 --> 00:33:06,120
So that'll be, uh, that'll be really nice.

660
00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:06,810
So, right.

661
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:07,140
Yeah.

662
00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:07,920
So that'll be good.

663
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,870
Um, okay, so, so just to, to move
on a little bit too, is getting more

664
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:16,590
into the funding because I feel like
that's a real, obviously a really

665
00:33:16,590 --> 00:33:19,230
important part that a lot of the times.

666
00:33:19,635 --> 00:33:24,135
Uh, may considered not as sexy in terms
of like, it's better to like watch a video

667
00:33:24,135 --> 00:33:26,895
of someone going down to the bottom of
the ocean and being able to see what's

668
00:33:26,895 --> 00:33:30,615
on the bottom and map the bathymetry
and, and all that kind of stuff.

669
00:33:30,855 --> 00:33:35,805
Um, but funding is, is essential
in that, uh, we're not talking

670
00:33:35,805 --> 00:33:37,635
about funding just from.

671
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,530
Foundations and grants and so forth.

672
00:33:40,530 --> 00:33:45,990
We're looking at like private companies,
investors, venture capitalists that

673
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:50,250
will be attending these, this conference
and having these discussions and, and

674
00:33:50,250 --> 00:33:54,540
you know, trying to understand the
dynamics of what could come out of this.

675
00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:59,010
What's the, like, we, we talked a
little bit about the funding mechanisms

676
00:33:59,010 --> 00:33:59,879
and, and things like that, but.

677
00:34:00,465 --> 00:34:04,875
What do you hope to, at the end
of this conference to have, uh,

678
00:34:04,875 --> 00:34:08,804
an idea of or better understanding
of when it comes down to funding?

679
00:34:10,784 --> 00:34:11,534
Uh, that's a great question, ed.

680
00:34:11,534 --> 00:34:16,245
At the end of the conference, what I
would really like to have an understanding

681
00:34:16,245 --> 00:34:19,815
is inside national jurisdictions or.

682
00:34:20,985 --> 00:34:24,525
What are the top five pathways to funding?

683
00:34:24,764 --> 00:34:26,745
Is that through high
net worth individuals?

684
00:34:26,745 --> 00:34:28,665
Is that corporate donations?

685
00:34:28,904 --> 00:34:28,995
Mm-hmm.

686
00:34:29,085 --> 00:34:33,375
Is that, uh, people like my mom
who want to give a hundred dollars?

687
00:34:33,495 --> 00:34:33,585
Right.

688
00:34:34,725 --> 00:34:35,925
Ocean floor discovery.

689
00:34:36,255 --> 00:34:42,585
Is it school groups that want to be
able to, uh, identify or adopt a little

690
00:34:42,585 --> 00:34:44,534
piece of the ocean floor as their own?

691
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,150
In exchange for a great map that
they get to hang on their wall.

692
00:34:48,154 --> 00:34:48,185
Mm-hmm.

693
00:34:48,540 --> 00:34:53,219
Uh, is it a high net worth individual
that wants to make a name, a lasting

694
00:34:53,219 --> 00:34:58,500
legacy for themself by, uh, sponsoring
1% of the Indian Ocean or something?

695
00:34:58,500 --> 00:34:58,590
Yeah.

696
00:34:59,490 --> 00:35:07,319
Um, is it, is it a, is it an approach to
national governments to share the, uh,

697
00:35:07,319 --> 00:35:09,420
share the investment and everyone chip in.

698
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,070
Um, across the board.

699
00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:14,160
And so we can have sort of an
international collaboration maybe at the

700
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,930
UN level, and we have representatives
of the UN who will be at the meeting

701
00:35:19,110 --> 00:35:23,610
to talk about internationally, how
can national government support this.

702
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:23,880
Mm-hmm.

703
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,270
Maybe people chip in, maybe, so
there's, that's another strategy.

704
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:28,380
And all of these may take.

705
00:35:28,650 --> 00:35:32,370
Many years to execute, but at least
it would be more clear than what we

706
00:35:32,370 --> 00:35:37,230
have today, which I think is not a
coordinated or consolidated list of the

707
00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:41,370
different vehicles that are available
for funding this type of initiative.

708
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,105
Uh, so that would be my.

709
00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:49,410
Probably single largest, uh, takeaway
from that is the identification of

710
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,330
realistic funding mechanisms that
could be then further explored.

711
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:58,890
Yeah, at subsequent conference, sub
subsequent workshop, or maybe more

712
00:35:58,890 --> 00:36:02,070
targeted events that say, all right,
well if we're gonna do something

713
00:36:02,070 --> 00:36:05,040
with national governance, all
right, then how do we work within.

714
00:36:05,375 --> 00:36:08,915
The, um, uh, intergovernmental
Oceanographic Commission and the

715
00:36:08,915 --> 00:36:12,245
International Hydrographic Organization
to work together with these national

716
00:36:12,245 --> 00:36:13,835
governments to up their contributions.

717
00:36:14,015 --> 00:36:15,215
I, I don't know the answer.

718
00:36:15,365 --> 00:36:15,455
Mm-hmm.

719
00:36:15,455 --> 00:36:15,510
Of course.

720
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:15,910
Mm-hmm.

721
00:36:16,085 --> 00:36:17,795
That's hopefully what
we're gonna get out of.

722
00:36:17,975 --> 00:36:23,315
Or maybe the answer is, well look,
every day people would be interested

723
00:36:23,315 --> 00:36:24,935
in this, so how do we reach them?

724
00:36:24,935 --> 00:36:27,635
Maybe we need to develop a
campaign, a marketing campaign.

725
00:36:27,845 --> 00:36:27,905
Yeah.

726
00:36:27,905 --> 00:36:31,685
To get them excited about this and
give them an opportunity and a pathway.

727
00:36:31,755 --> 00:36:37,155
To get involved, to get excited to make an
investment or a, or a donation, I'm sure.

728
00:36:37,365 --> 00:36:40,545
And Tim, I see a perfect opportunity
to talk about corporate donors as well.

729
00:36:40,545 --> 00:36:43,485
I see a perfect opportunity
for the NHL team, the Seattle

730
00:36:43,485 --> 00:36:45,375
Kraken, they're deep sea species.

731
00:36:45,375 --> 00:36:46,395
They're trying to represent.

732
00:36:46,695 --> 00:36:49,335
This is a perfect opportunity
for them to maybe get some right

733
00:36:49,335 --> 00:36:52,005
off the coast, you know, off the
coast where they are in Seattle.

734
00:36:52,450 --> 00:36:55,060
Like, let's, we'll just send this
clip out to them and see if they're,

735
00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:58,330
they're interested in, in investing
into the deep sea and protecting

736
00:36:58,540 --> 00:37:01,510
their crack and their deep sea, uh,
their deep sea squids, because I

737
00:37:01,510 --> 00:37:03,040
mean, that's, that's just perfect.

738
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:03,670
It's right there.

739
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:04,570
It's, it's right there.

740
00:37:04,570 --> 00:37:07,870
They can come to the conference, send
their mascot, whatever they want to do.

741
00:37:07,870 --> 00:37:08,560
Just an idea.

742
00:37:08,590 --> 00:37:09,130
Just an idea.

743
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:09,310
Wow.

744
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:10,690
That's perfect.

745
00:37:10,690 --> 00:37:13,480
And, and to add that the Kraken probably
don't realize that Map the Gaps is

746
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,930
actually registered in the state of
Washington, uh, as a nonprofit company.

747
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:17,890
So there you go.

748
00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:18,940
It's perfectly appropriate.

749
00:37:19,229 --> 00:37:21,720
Absolutely a hundred percent agree.

750
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,799
Uh, and, and you know, speaking of
like what we want, like what you want

751
00:37:25,799 --> 00:37:28,589
to get out of this or what you want
the conference to get out of this,

752
00:37:28,830 --> 00:37:31,379
um, you know, when we talk about
funding, obviously we can probably

753
00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:34,439
go into each and every category.

754
00:37:34,649 --> 00:37:38,520
Um, but what do you want, like
when, when the people come, you

755
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,939
know, we're looking at about 150
people, maybe a little bit more.

756
00:37:42,209 --> 00:37:44,129
Um, if we can get 200, great.

757
00:37:44,490 --> 00:37:45,660
Uh, what do you.

758
00:37:46,395 --> 00:37:48,615
Want them to get out of this conference?

759
00:37:48,615 --> 00:37:51,105
Like the people who attend,
what do you, what's the goal

760
00:37:51,105 --> 00:37:52,965
when they go to this conference?

761
00:37:53,295 --> 00:37:57,345
What, what thought process should they
be in and, and what mindset should they

762
00:37:57,345 --> 00:38:01,455
be in to say, Hey, I'm gonna get as
much as I can out of this conference?

763
00:38:02,420 --> 00:38:06,645
Uh, well, uh, as long as I've been doing
these conferences, Andrew, 2016, I've

764
00:38:06,645 --> 00:38:12,165
had a little, uh, catchphrase or what
you call it, um, for what the purpose is.

765
00:38:12,165 --> 00:38:14,865
And the purpose is to listen and to learn.

766
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:15,960
And engage.

767
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,830
So ultimately that's what I'm
hoping attendees will get out of

768
00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:22,230
the event, is to be a part of it.

769
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:22,290
Yeah.

770
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,950
And not feel like they're just
attending and, and being an observer.

771
00:38:25,950 --> 00:38:26,040
Mm-hmm.

772
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,620
But actually engaging and being able to
take that either back to their homeowner

773
00:38:31,650 --> 00:38:36,450
home organization or back to their school
or back to their community, whether it's

774
00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:38,970
technology or investor or whatever it is.

775
00:38:39,495 --> 00:38:43,875
Um, and be able to noodle on that
and then eventually translate

776
00:38:43,875 --> 00:38:45,045
that into some sort of action.

777
00:38:45,405 --> 00:38:48,435
Yeah, maybe there's their own,
uh, individual contribution.

778
00:38:48,435 --> 00:38:52,185
Maybe it's an organizational contribution,
maybe it's influence that they have

779
00:38:52,185 --> 00:38:56,265
over some politician or group to
affecting policy or investment.

780
00:38:56,655 --> 00:39:00,825
Um, and then I think the other thing
that I always try to do at these

781
00:39:00,825 --> 00:39:04,575
conferences is really instill a sense
of community, uh, the professional

782
00:39:04,575 --> 00:39:06,135
and personal networking that you get.

783
00:39:06,495 --> 00:39:07,725
These are the types of events.

784
00:39:07,725 --> 00:39:12,255
Like I said, it's small enough that you
can meet everybody, you can approach

785
00:39:12,255 --> 00:39:16,605
anybody, uh, and hopefully walk away
with a new colleague or a friend.

786
00:39:16,935 --> 00:39:17,025
Mm-hmm.

787
00:39:17,265 --> 00:39:19,785
Um, that's part of the purpose
of these events as well.

788
00:39:19,785 --> 00:39:23,415
And we provide lots of networking time,
lots of coffee breaks, lunch breaks,

789
00:39:23,655 --> 00:39:29,025
social events and receptions in the
evening, and those are 100% dedicated to

790
00:39:29,025 --> 00:39:31,215
people using that opportunity to network.

791
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,279
Meet new people, uh, learn
from others, listen to them,

792
00:39:35,384 --> 00:39:36,990
and, uh, and ultimately engage.

793
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:37,740
No.

794
00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:38,250
Amazing.

795
00:39:38,250 --> 00:39:41,070
And I, I think it's interesting too,
like one of the things that I always

796
00:39:41,070 --> 00:39:45,210
tell people is, is especially in a,
in a conference like this where you're

797
00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:50,759
getting so many different types of
sessions and topics, is to go into

798
00:39:50,759 --> 00:39:51,870
the sessions you're not familiar with.

799
00:39:52,259 --> 00:39:53,160
And learn from them.

800
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:55,440
Learn what's happening in the
funding areas, learn what's

801
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,270
happening in the tech areas.

802
00:39:57,270 --> 00:40:00,299
Learn, learn what's happening during
the pitch fest and, and the investor,

803
00:40:00,299 --> 00:40:04,919
and see how people are tr are,
are, you know, pitching themselves

804
00:40:04,919 --> 00:40:07,620
and, and what discussions are
happening in each of these sessions.

805
00:40:08,169 --> 00:40:10,810
That they can get the most and
get a whole, a comprehensive

806
00:40:10,810 --> 00:40:12,669
understanding of what's happening.

807
00:40:12,669 --> 00:40:16,899
Don't just sit in your niche, in your
topic area and just do that, you know,

808
00:40:16,899 --> 00:40:18,850
do that, but also explore others.

809
00:40:19,089 --> 00:40:21,910
Um, if there's time and you're
able to go to those sessions, it

810
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:24,669
looks like there's plenty of time
from the schedule which is up.

811
00:40:24,669 --> 00:40:27,430
I'll put the link in in the
show notes, but it's uh, ocean

812
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:30,100
floor explore.org/schedule.

813
00:40:30,479 --> 00:40:33,419
And you can see what you can test out
at the beginning and be like, okay, I'm

814
00:40:33,419 --> 00:40:36,629
gonna go to the funding model because
I don't know a lot about funding and I

815
00:40:36,629 --> 00:40:38,250
wanna be a part of this conversation.

816
00:40:38,925 --> 00:40:42,225
Like you said, you know, you
know, it is just, you're there.

817
00:40:42,225 --> 00:40:44,055
You, you soak it up and then you engage.

818
00:40:44,115 --> 00:40:46,965
And I think it's really important for
people to do that and have the confidence

819
00:40:46,965 --> 00:40:50,355
to do that and, uh, 'cause the people
will be open to any kind of ideas.

820
00:40:50,355 --> 00:40:52,455
And I think that's really,
uh, really important.

821
00:40:52,455 --> 00:40:53,870
But Tim, this has been such a great.

822
00:40:54,390 --> 00:41:00,089
Uh, privilege to have you on and to be
able to share, uh, ocean floor explore,

823
00:41:00,180 --> 00:41:04,200
uh, with, with the people of this
audience, which I, which I love to death.

824
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,649
And so I want to thank you so much
for, for coming on and would love to

825
00:41:07,649 --> 00:41:09,180
have you back on, of course, to talk.

826
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,910
Uh, about the conference and, uh,
what happened at the conference.

827
00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:14,230
So we'll do like a follow up one.

828
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:15,370
I think it'll be a lot of fun.

829
00:41:15,550 --> 00:41:19,270
Um, but if people want to go, they
haven't, they haven't, uh, thought about

830
00:41:19,330 --> 00:41:21,580
doing it yet as of now to, to register.

831
00:41:21,580 --> 00:41:26,500
But if they wanna register, um, is there
a, a specific link that they can go to?

832
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,780
Um, I'm looking on the website here.

833
00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:32,440
It looks like it's ocean
floor explorer.org/register.

834
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,640
Is that the, that's the right link.

835
00:41:34,365 --> 00:41:34,905
That's correct.

836
00:41:34,905 --> 00:41:38,235
And there's still room, there's
still time to register up until,

837
00:41:38,295 --> 00:41:41,595
uh, around, uh, October the 15th
if you haven't registered yet.

838
00:41:41,745 --> 00:41:41,835
Okay.

839
00:41:41,835 --> 00:41:45,255
I do know that the hotel room blocks are
pretty much sold out, almost sold out.

840
00:41:45,255 --> 00:41:48,915
So if, uh, people are interested in
booking that at the Grand Pacific Hotel,

841
00:41:48,915 --> 00:41:50,205
then they need to get on that quickly.

842
00:41:50,625 --> 00:41:56,235
Uh, that's ocean floor.org/slash travel,
uh, to find out the details on that.

843
00:41:56,235 --> 00:41:58,785
There's also a discount
with Alaska Airlines and FRS

844
00:41:58,785 --> 00:42:00,045
Clipper coming up from Seattle.

845
00:42:00,045 --> 00:42:00,075
Okay.

846
00:42:00,315 --> 00:42:03,675
So there's, there's still opportunities
and for people to get involved.

847
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:10,050
Um, and it's a single track conference,
uh, meaning that all the sessions,

848
00:42:10,050 --> 00:42:13,020
you don't need to choose that
they'll, they're all sequential.

849
00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:13,500
Perfect.

850
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:16,050
And, uh, I look forward to
having hopefully lots of

851
00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:17,535
people, uh, sign up and attend.

852
00:42:18,210 --> 00:42:19,920
Yeah, I think it'll be,
it'll be really great.

853
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,970
So we'll put the link there.

854
00:42:20,970 --> 00:42:23,880
Sign up, uh, let them know when you
signed up that you heard it from

855
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,230
How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

856
00:42:25,350 --> 00:42:26,700
This is all done for free.

857
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:27,000
Folks.

858
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,050
I'm not getting any money outta this.

859
00:42:28,050 --> 00:42:30,540
I, this is something that's just
super interesting to me and I

860
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:33,780
want people to attend and, uh,
and, and get the most out of it.

861
00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:37,800
So go sign up@oceanfloorexplore.org
slash register.

862
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:40,620
And Tim, thank you so much for coming
on the podcast and sharing this.

863
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:44,430
And I look, I look forward to attending
and, and being a part of the conversation.

864
00:42:45,195 --> 00:42:45,465
Great.

865
00:42:45,465 --> 00:42:45,975
Thanks Andrew.

866
00:42:45,975 --> 00:42:47,865
Always a pleasure and I look
forward to the next one.

867
00:42:47,925 --> 00:42:48,495
Alright, see ya.

868
00:42:49,605 --> 00:42:52,904
Thank you, Tim, for joining us again on
the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

869
00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:53,984
It was great to have you on.

870
00:42:54,165 --> 00:42:55,484
Great to learn more about the conference.

871
00:42:55,484 --> 00:42:58,665
Now that the schedule's out, I think
it's gonna be interesting for everybody

872
00:42:58,665 --> 00:43:01,035
to go and learn about what's happening.

873
00:43:01,095 --> 00:43:05,024
As Tim said, it's a one track type of
conference where everything, you know,

874
00:43:05,024 --> 00:43:06,134
you're not gonna miss out on anything.

875
00:43:06,134 --> 00:43:09,495
A lot of times conferences put on so much
that the sessions are at the same time

876
00:43:09,495 --> 00:43:12,495
and you have to like, oh, how do I get to
this one and this one at the same time?

877
00:43:12,555 --> 00:43:13,274
I can't do it.

878
00:43:13,549 --> 00:43:14,419
This is one track.

879
00:43:14,419 --> 00:43:16,220
You just learn everything
right off the bat.

880
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:19,819
You have that ability to join
each and every session and

881
00:43:19,819 --> 00:43:21,169
take part and participate.

882
00:43:21,169 --> 00:43:23,419
I think it's gonna be really
interesting to do that.

883
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:30,290
So I want you guys to head out there,
go to Ocean Floor explore.org/register

884
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:31,460
to register for the conference.

885
00:43:31,580 --> 00:43:33,890
It's not an expensive conference
if you're on the West Coast

886
00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:35,060
already, it's right there.

887
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,190
If you're international,
there's ways to get there.

888
00:43:37,310 --> 00:43:38,270
I'd hope to see you there.

889
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:40,580
And if you do get there and
people say, Hey, how did you

890
00:43:40,580 --> 00:43:41,690
learn about this conference?

891
00:43:42,105 --> 00:43:43,485
Say is from how to protect the ocean.

892
00:43:43,485 --> 00:43:46,515
I love to just get that name out there
and be like, oh, I don't know what,

893
00:43:46,515 --> 00:43:49,365
how to protect the ocean is, it's a
podcast that you need to listen to and

894
00:43:49,365 --> 00:43:52,245
get more and more people listening to
the podcast as I try and get more and

895
00:43:52,245 --> 00:43:54,105
more people to go to these conferences.

896
00:43:54,105 --> 00:43:57,105
So I think that's gonna be something
that's extremely important and I

897
00:43:57,105 --> 00:44:00,825
would love to see you guys get there
and be able to be there and be able

898
00:44:00,825 --> 00:44:02,040
to take part and be able to have.

899
00:44:02,535 --> 00:44:05,235
A say in mapping the ocean in the future.

900
00:44:05,295 --> 00:44:06,705
So that's it for today's episode.

901
00:44:06,705 --> 00:44:09,855
If you have any questions or concerns
or comments, please let me know.

902
00:44:09,855 --> 00:44:13,005
You can put your comments in the comments
below if you're watching this on YouTube,

903
00:44:13,035 --> 00:44:17,415
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on Instagram at how to Protect the Ocean.

904
00:44:17,415 --> 00:44:18,115
Just DM me.

905
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:19,670
At How to Protect the Ocean.

906
00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:25,010
And if you really want to get access to
me, go to speak out for blue.com/contact

907
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:26,330
and you'll be able to fill out the form.

908
00:44:26,330 --> 00:44:27,530
It goes right to my personal email.

909
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:29,570
I'd love to get back to
you as soon as possible.

910
00:44:29,570 --> 00:44:32,270
I wanna thank you so much for
joining me on today's episode of the

911
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:33,470
How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

912
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:36,200
I'm your host, Andrew Lewin
from the True Norstrom and Free.

913
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:36,800
Have a great day.

914
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,900
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