Why Ocean Solutions Fail Without Collaboration (And How to Fix It)

Ocean conservation solutions often fail, not because the science is wrong, but because the right people aren’t working together. In this episode of How to Protect the Ocean, we break down why collaboration between scientists, businesses, and policymakers is essential to solving today’s biggest ocean challenges.
Ocean collaboration is already transforming conservation, and the results are powerful. Using real-world examples like Global Fishing Watch, you’ll learn how satellite data, artificial intelligence, and policy advocacy came together to expose illegal fishing on a global scale. We also explore how cross-industry partnerships are influencing policy, unlocking funding, and accelerating real-world impact.
Ocean solutions depend on people who can connect science, business, and policy. Whether you’re an early-career scientist, a conservationist, or someone interested in protecting the ocean, this episode will help you understand how meaningful change actually happens and how you can be part of it.
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The future of ocean conservation won't be
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built by scientists alone,
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and it won't be built by businesses
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alone. It'll be built
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when those worlds collide.
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Because the biggest ocean problems we
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face today aren't just scientific.
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They're economic, they're political, and
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they're technological.
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And no single sector
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can solve all on its own.
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And if you look at how
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politics are done in today's world,
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if you look at how
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everything is done in today's world,
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businesses play a very important role,
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not only from running the
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economy or influencing the
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economy, but these days, a lot of the
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billionaires or the CEOs tend
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to be the experts that people
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turn to, that politicians turn to, and
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other people turn to, to
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find out how to build businesses
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and how to run a country in some cases.
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So we know that businesses
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are going to be influential,
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and not only being able to scale projects
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like we've talked in
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the last two episodes,
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but also to combine with ocean
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conservationists and
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scientists to help protect the ocean.
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This is the how to protect the ocean
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podcast. And if you're listening, because
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you want to find out more
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about the ocean each and every weekday,
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and you want to find out
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the breakdown of science,
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policy, and solutions, hit that follow
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button right now, because
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this week, we are going over
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solutions and how businesses and science
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can collide together to
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partner in protecting the
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ocean. And we do that at conferences like
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the World Ocean Summit that
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I went to a couple weeks ago.
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And we also can do that at the Earth X
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conference that's happening April 20 to
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the 22nd of this year.
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It happens each and every year. If you
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want to go to it, you're going
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to want to listen to Friday's
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episode, right? Interview the CEO of
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Earth X, Peter Simic, who talks about how
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this conference is not just a
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conference of just the oceans, the
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constant conference of solutions of
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engineering of everything.
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It's actually 20 conferences in one. So
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if you are someone who's interested in
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protecting the ocean,
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want to find solutions, scale those
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solutions, you'll want to listen to that
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episode and go to the Earth X conference.
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And by the way, they are not sponsoring
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us today. They just tend to be the theme
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of this week because I've
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been doing a lot of themes
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for the podcast every week. And today
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we're talking this week, we're talking
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about ocean solutions and something that
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I feel is really, really important.
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Okay, right now, most ocean work still
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happens in silos. Like I have scientists
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talk to scientists,
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businesses talk to businesses,
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policy makers talk to policy makers. And
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even within that escape, I've worked in
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government before, you know, you tend to
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work, you tend to stick in silos within
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government, not just within like
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ministries, but like or among ministries,
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but within the ministry.
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So I remember in Canada for fisheries and
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oceans, Canada, I didn't know really what
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the west and country, west coast was
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doing or the east coast was doing because
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I was in the central coast.
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Great Lakes and we didn't really go
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outside unless you met them at a workshop
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or anything like that.
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So silos exist in every aspect of ocean
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conservation, any kind of aquatic
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conservation or just
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conservation in general.
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And when they don't connect, when people
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don't connect, solutions get stuck.
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A scientist can discover a breakthrough
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in coral resilience, but without funding,
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that research never scales.
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A company might build a tool that reduces
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bycatch, but without policy support, no
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one is required to use it.
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A government might create a marine
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protected area, but without enforcement
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or technology, it exists mostly on paper.
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So the problem isn't a lack of solutions.
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It's a lack of connection between the
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people who can make those solutions work.
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Take Global Fishing Watch. The project
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only exists because three very different
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organizations came together.
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Google, Oceana and SkyTruth. They
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combined satellite data, AIS signals and
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machine learning to do something that
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used to be impossible.
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Track fishing activity across the entire
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ocean in near real time. And what they
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found changed everything.
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They revealed that vast areas of the
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ocean, once thought to be lightly fished,
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were actually heavily exploited.
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They exposed patterns of illegal,
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unreported and unregulated fishing, which
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is called IUU fisheries.
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means governments, NGOs and journalists
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can now hold the bad actors accountable.
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That's not just technology, that's
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collaboration, creating
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transparency at global scale.
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At Earth-X, something unexpected
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happened. Two politicians from completely
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different political backgrounds met.
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Not online, not through headlines. In the
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same room. They had conversations. They
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built trust. And over
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time, they found common ground.
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Eventually, they helped launch a
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bipartisan energy caucus. Now, why does
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that matter for the ocean?
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Because ocean solutions often fail, not
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because they don't work, but because they
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don't survive politics.
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And we've seen that time and time again,
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especially in these days.
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Collaboration creates alignment.
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And alignment creates action. When
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different sectors
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collaborate, something powerful happens.
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Problems get reframed. A scientist may
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see coral bleaching as a biological
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issue. A business might
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see it as a risk to tourism.
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A government might see it as a threat to
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coastal economies. Put
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those perspectives together.
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And suddenly the solutions become bigger,
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faster and more urgent.
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Solutions get stronger.
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Science ensures they work. Businesses
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ensure they scale. And policies ensure
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they stick. And barriers get removed.
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Funding flows more easily. Regulations
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become more realistic. And technology
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gets adopted faster. Because everyone is
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involved from the beginning.
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If you're in science, your work matters.
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But it won't reach its full impact unless
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it connects to the real world.
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If you're in business, you're not just
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part of the problem. You're not just part
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of the problem. You can
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be part of the solution.
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But only if you understand the science
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behind what you're building. And if
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you're early on in your
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career, this is your advantage.
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Because the future belongs to people who
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connect both worlds. People who
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understand science, business and policy.
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And know how to bring them together. This
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is the important part of collaboration.
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And if you are, like I said, if you're an
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early scientist or you are an early
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career scientist or an early career
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conservationist or even someone who has
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an idea for a business.
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This is your advantage now. In today's
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world, when you have the technology, you
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can use a number of different tools to
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start your project, to start your idea
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and develop that along with scientists,
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along with conservationists, along with
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business businesses,
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along with policy makers.
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And make sure that it sticks and make
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sure that you can help solve ocean
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problems and scale that solution to make
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it even bigger and have a bigger impact.
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So if you want to be a part of that
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future, make sure you're following how to
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protect the ocean. And if you are and if
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this episode helped you see conservation
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differently, share with one other person
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who needs to hear it.
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Because the more people who understand
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how solutions actually work, the better
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chance we have to protect the ocean. No
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more just sticking in our silos of
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science,
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conservation, business and policy.
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It is time to bring us everybody to it's
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time to bring everybody together and
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understand that we all have to solve the
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problems that are facing the ocean
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because the problems that are facing us.
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I want to thank you so much for joining
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us on today's episode of the How to
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Protect the Ocean podcast. Have a great
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day. Don't forget to follow for the next
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episode and have a great day. Talk to you
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next time and happy conservation.













