Most Ocean Jobs Aren’t Posted, So How Do People Get Them?

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Most of ocean conservation jobs have

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never been posted publicly.

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So how are people

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actually getting those jobs?

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Because if you've been applying online,

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sending resumes and hearing nothing back,

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you're not doing it wrong.

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You're just playing the wrong game.

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All right, so here's the truth that most

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people won't tell you about jobs.

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A huge percentage of the jobs in ocean

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conservation are filled

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before they're ever even posted.

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Not because it's unfair,

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but it's because it's easier.

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Think about it from a

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hiring manager's perspective.

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If you already know someone, you've

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worked with them in the field,

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you met them at a conference or you see

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you've seen how they

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think or communicate.

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Why would you sort through 200 cold

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applications or probably more these days

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like 800 cold applications?

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You wouldn't you would just write.

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You'd rather just reach out and say, hey,

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are you available to work this job?

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And that's that's the hidden job market.

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It's built on referrals,

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collaborations and relationships.

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And this is why cold applications feel

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like they disappear into a void because

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most of the real

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opportunities never make it that far.

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I have been applying for jobs for the

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last probably two decades and a lot of

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the times there was a while where I was

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getting interviews and stuff.

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But lately it the game has changed folks.

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You know, people are getting, you know,

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three, four hundred, five hundred, six

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hundred up to 800

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resumes for one job posting.

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Most people don't even apply, like don't

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even qualify for the position, but

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they're still applying and that just

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makes it even more

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difficult for people to get through.

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And the right candidate to get through.

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So doesn't mean that you don't qualify

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for that position and you

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don't deserve that position.

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It just means you're not being seen.

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And because sometimes when the job is

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posted, there's already somebody that

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they have in mind for it.

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They just have to post it.

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So it's working against you in a way just

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to post to those resumes.

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So we're going to talk

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more about that today.

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Now, here's where, you know, people get

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networking completely wrong because

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networking is a big, a big part of this.

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They think it means, hey, can you help me

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get a job or can you get me a job?

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Do you know if there's a job available?

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That stuff doesn't work.

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Networking is not asking for something.

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It's about becoming

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someone people recognize.

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It's about

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familiarity, trust, consistency.

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And when your name comes up, someone

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thinks, yeah, I know them.

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They're pretty solid.

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They'd be good at this position or they'd

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be good at that or I know them.

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They're really good.

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That's networking.

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And it doesn't happen in one message.

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It happens over time.

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You have to invest that time.

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So where does this actually

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happen in ocean conservation?

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There's a few key places.

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If you get to conferences, this is still

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one of the biggest ones that like biggest

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means of getting that type of

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relationship or building

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those link those relationships.

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Even small regional ones would really

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help because the people there, they're

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the ones that are the ones that are going

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to doing the work, right?

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They're the ones who

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are the hiring managers.

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They're the ones who are doing the work.

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They're the ones who are going out and

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saying, hey, you know what?

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Like I know of this person is looking for

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someone or hey, I'd like to get to know

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what you do all that kind of stuff.

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So conferences are still one

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of the best places to do that.

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They can be far and

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they can be expensive.

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I know that but if you can get yourself

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to a conference, that's the best way to

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do it, especially if it's

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local webinars and virtual events.

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Probably underrated.

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But people show up consistently ask good

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questions and get noticed.

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If you if you've always noticed anytime

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you're on a webinar, you probably see the

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same people that come over, especially if

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it's part of the same group that those

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people stand out and eventually build

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those help build those relationship.

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It's like your way into those

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relationship and LinkedIn is still one of

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the best social media tools if you use it

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properly, not for cold pitching like hey,

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I'm looking for a job.

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It's for commenting sharing ideas and

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showing you understand the space.

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So don't forget about LinkedIn.

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Like, you know, one of the things that I

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noticed about LinkedIn, a lot of science

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people on there, there's a lot of

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conservation people in the oceans on

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there and like like CEOs and presidents

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and things like that.

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Those are probably not the ones you're

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looking to get job, but you can still

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build a name out for yourself through

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there, not only by commenting, but by

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posting your own stuff, you know, looking

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at how you feel about certain aspects of

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the business or certain aspects of a

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project or study that you either put out

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or paper that you've put out or even just

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like what people what you've seen and

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commented on what

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you've seen that's come out.

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I'm a big fan of podcasts.

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this is where you

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have an unfair advantage.

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You don't need permission to reach out to

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someone and say, hey, I'd love to feature

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your work on my podcast.

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That's not networking.

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It's value and it builds relationships

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faster than almost anything else.

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And I'll tell you why as someone who's

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run a podcast for the last 11 years, I

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would say I've my

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network has increased in value.

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Because of the podcast because when I

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interview someone, I'm not just

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interviewing them for the hour 45 minutes

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to an hour that I have

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them on the on the show.

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I'm actually talking to them talking to

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them maybe in a pre interview.

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So for another hour before that or half

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hour before that or like 15 minutes

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before the interview, but the after

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interview is really where things kind of

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pop off in terms of deepening the value

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of the relationship.

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That's where now they feel comfortable.

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You they know what the interviews like.

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They're not as nervous to do the

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interview and the guests are like, hey,

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like what do you how

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often do you do this?

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A lot of times I talk about the podcast,

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the success of it where like when I'm

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going to post it, but also like, oh, that

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project you mentioned in the interview.

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That's really cool.

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Can you just tell me a

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little bit more about it?

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And and we've had really great

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conversations up to like three hours, you

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know, in conversations

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after an episode of that.

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So I think it's really good to look at

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doing your own podcast.

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We're going to talk about that tomorrow.

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So don't forget to follow because you're

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going to want to hear tomorrow's episode.

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But let's be honest, like

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reaching out can be awkward.

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So let's make this practical.

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Here's what not to do.

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Hey, I'm looking for a job.

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Can you help me?

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Do not do that.

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Please do not do that, especially for

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people who are not in the

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position of hiring, right?

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And even if you're hiring some of that

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stuff, not the first

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thing you want to say.

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It puts pressure on someone

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who has no idea who you are.

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Instead, do this.

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First example, comment on their podcast.

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Comment on their post or

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something that they've put up.

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Find a post and say something thoughtful.

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It's like, hey, really interesting point

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about enforcement of MPAs.

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Let's just say I hadn't thought about how

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staffing levels impact

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outcomes that directly.

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Now they've seen your name.

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They're going to look especially if not a

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lot of people are commenting on it.

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Even if they are just comment, you'll get

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there and if you start doing it enough

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and you have valuable comments, people

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are like that person's insightful.

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I'm going to keep my

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eye out on that person.

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Not stay for a job, but they're just

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like, oh, this person asked really

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insightful questions.

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Then of course, is the follow up message.

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You can say like, hey, I saw

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your post on MPA enforcement.

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Really appreciated the perspective.

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I'm trying to learn

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more about this space.

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Any resources you'd recommend.

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So not, hey, can you, can I talk to you?

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No, it's any resources you recommend.

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You're not asking for a job.

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You're starting a conversation by asking

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a question of just like, do you have any

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more resources about this space?

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they might be part of an organization

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that deals with MPAs, all

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that kind of stuff, right?

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And then there's example three.

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We're looking at podcast angle.

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you get to reach out to people say, hey,

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I run a podcast on ocean conservation and

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I'd love to highlight your work.

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Would you be open to

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do a short interview?

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This does three things.

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It gives them exposure, builds your

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network and position you as someone

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that's contributing, right?

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And that's powerful.

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That's really, really powerful.

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But here's the part that

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most people don't want to hear.

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Networking takes time.

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A lot of time in some cases, you don't

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send one message and then

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and get a job the next week.

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That's just not the way it works.

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What actually works is showing up

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consistently, engaging with people over

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time, sharing what

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you've learned and be useful.

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Then one day an opportunity comes up and

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someone says, I know

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exactly who I should talk to.

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That's how people get jobs in this field.

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Not by applying, but by being known.

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If you're going to take one thing from

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this episode, let it be this. Start one

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conversation this week. Just one.

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Not to get a job, just to be known.

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Because in ocean conservation, your

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network isn't optional. It's a pathway.

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Here's the real thing

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of this is this is good.

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Each relationship will take time.

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So you can start multiple relations, but

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you don't want to bombard them with

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comments on every post that they've made.

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You want to look at their posts. You want

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to observe how they're posting. You want

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to observe how they act maybe digitally

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or even in, you know, at a conference.

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And when you have you commented a couple

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of times on his post over the next couple

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of months and then you meet that person

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at a conference, you can

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say, oh, hey, like I know you.

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Sorry, my name is Andrew. I've seen what

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you've been posting on LinkedIn. I've

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commented a few times. I'm not sure if

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you remember who I am.

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This is what I do. Right? That is

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something that's really big.

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I'll mention now is when you're going to

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a conference, practice your

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30 second elevator speech.

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That's like crucial. Right? Because

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everything you do, whenever you like,

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whenever you are introduced to someone or

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you introduce yourself to someone, you

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have to say what they do.

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There will be like an awkward pause.

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They'll look at you and like, what do you

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do? Before they even say that, like, hey,

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my name is Andrew Lewin.

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I am a podcast. I run. I run a podcast

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for how to protect the ocean podcast.

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I've been running it for 11 years and

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I've displayed, you know,

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I talked to people who I think are doing

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really cool things on ocean conservation

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and science so that other people can get

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that same resource act as a resource.

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It's not policy. It's been

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a while since I've done it.

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But every time I go to a conference, I

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practice it in the mirror or I just

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practice it as I'm walking up because the

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more you say it, the better it comes out,

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the more natural comes out.

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You're not pulling for work just like I

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was before. So it's never perfect. It

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doesn't matter if it's perfect or not.

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what you do, that is the

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best thing that you can do.

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So practice that every single time you're

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about to go to a conference or you're

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about to go to a place where you're going

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to meet people. If you found this episode

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helpful, please share it with someone

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that is trying to break into this field

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and is having trouble getting a job.

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And I think that's really important

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because, you know, we need to help as

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many people as possible get into this,

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get into this field, whether you're a

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scientist, whether you're an ocean

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conservationist, whether you're

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specialized in some kind of field.

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There's so many fields out there.

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There's so many ways that you can

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contribute to ocean conservation, whether

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it be through science or business or

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anything like that. But the idea is to

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meet people to network and to grow that

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network out so that eventually one day,

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hopefully it'll help you in the future.

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So thank you so much for joining me on

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today's episode of the How to Protect the

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Ocean podcast. If you have a question or

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comment, you can reach me. If you speak

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up for blue.com forward slash feedback,

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that's speak up for blue.com forward

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slash feedback links in the show.

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And of course, if you're on Spotify, just

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hit a comment and I will get back to you.

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I want to thank you so much for joining

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me on today's episode of the How to

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Protect the Ocean podcast. I am your

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host, Andrew Lewin. Have a great day.

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We'll talk to you next

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time and happy conservation.