Texas Flood 2025: Smarter Tools Needed To Save Lives

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A few places in the US have

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undergone extreme flooding.

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Kerr County, Texas, and New Mexico,

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Reduso from July 4th to July

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8th, have had flash flooding.

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Many people have died,

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people are still missing.

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And conversations are

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happening, what happened?

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Were people alerted?

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How did those alerts go out?

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How were they received

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if they were received?

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And how are people building

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infrastructure around rivers

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where there's been flooding in the past?

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I wanted to make sure

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that you as the audience

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for the How to Protect the Ocean podcast

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understood some of the

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conversations that are going on.

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There's a lot going on in the news.

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A lot of people are

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making it very political

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because of the cuts that happened

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over the last couple

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months in the US federally.

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And I wanted to kind of

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sift through all that, right?

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Really sift through the BS to

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say, what actually happened?

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Did the cuts get,

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affect the messaging system?

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Did the cuts affect the ability

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for the message to get out there?

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Or was it just a fact that this was a

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very bad circumstance caused by more

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moisture in the air?

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And a confluence of storms and clouds

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with moisture and just bad circumstances?

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Or is it all of the above?

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To the bottom of that, I

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wanted to get some answers.

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And Dave Jones, the CEO of Storm Center

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has come on the podcast

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before to talk about storms

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and alert systems and weather.

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And he's a meteorologist

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for a very, very long time.

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He's a good friend of the podcast.

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And he graciously accepted to come on the

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podcast and talk about how

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the messaging system went out,

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how it could be better done in the future

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and what needs to be done so that we can

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alert more people

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faster and they can get out.

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And they can have all the information for

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them, plus the feedback systems that

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happen and what needs

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to happen in the future.

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Before we go on with the podcast, you

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know, I want to be sensitive to the fact

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that people have had

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their lives just, you know,

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it's been awful for people.

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It's been a huge tragedy.

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I want to acknowledge that.

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The reason why I'm putting this podcast

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out now is because as the Central Texas

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and Kerr County floods were

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happening in the river there,

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another flood happened in New Mexico.

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So these floods are happening.

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We're at a time of year where there's a

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lot of moisture in the air because of

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humidity and it's the summer.

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So I want to make sure that people, if

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they can have the

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ability to get the right,

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know whether radios or whatever they

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need, they will have it and that they'll

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be on alert and they understand the

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impacts of these dangerous situations.

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So hence why I'm putting it out now is to

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be cognizant of that and to

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help people in the near future.

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So here's the episode.

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Let's start the show.

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Everybody, welcome back to another

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episode of the How to

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Protect the Ocean podcast.

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I am your host, Andrew Lewin.

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This is the podcast where you find out

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what's happening with the ocean, how you

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can speak up for the ocean,

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what you can do to live for a better

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ocean by taking action.

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On today's episode, it's

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a bit of a somber note.

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We are talking about the flash floods

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that happened in Kerr County in Texas, as

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well as in New Mexico.

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People have lost their lives.

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People are still missing.

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The rescue efforts are ongoing.

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I want to have Dave Jones on to talk

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about what went on during the storm.

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How are people alerted in these areas

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that are more vulnerable to flash floods

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and what can we do

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about it in the future?

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And for those communities that are in a

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similar situation that haven't had floods

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yet, but might have them in the future,

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what they can do and how they can better

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prepare themselves in the future so that

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this doesn't happen in

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their county, in their town.

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So I want to have Dave

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Jones on to discuss this.

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He's been on the podcast before.

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He's been a

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meteorologist for a long, long time.

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He's the CEO of Storm Center right now,

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which provides extra coverage of the

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weather to his clients, but also

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as a YouTube channel, which I'll link in

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the show notes where you can get updated

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live updates a lot of the times on

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hurricanes, on storms and so forth.

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And you can better protect

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yourself and better be alerted.

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So he helps amplify the messages.

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He doesn't put up the messages, but he

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helps amplify the messages coming up from

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the National Weather Service and NOAA.

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He does a damn good job at it.

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So he was gracious enough to take time

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away from the work that he's doing to

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help educate myself, as well as everybody

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here that's listening to this podcast and

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watching this podcast.

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In order to better protect

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themselves wherever you live.

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You know, I live here in Canada, watching

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this from Canada is awful.

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We've seen this happen in our country,

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but to watch it anywhere around the world

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and see people in pain and have to

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undergo this tragedy, a

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tragedy is just awful.

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everybody and the families

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who are going through this.

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But I wanted to make sure that we had the

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education here so that we can protect

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ourselves in the future.

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So without further ado, here is Dave

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Jones talking about the flash floods that

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happened in Texas and New Mexico, how we

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can better prepare ourselves and how the

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system works and how it can work even

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better in the future.

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Enjoy and I'll talk to you after.

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Hey, Dave, welcome back to the How to

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Protect the Ocean podcast.

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Are you ready to talk about some flooding

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that's happening in the US right now?

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Unfortunately, I'm ready.

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Yeah, it's it's you know, when I when I

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want to when I contacted you to come on

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the podcast, I was

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like, he's going to be busy.

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He's going to be tired, you know, just

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not only mentally and

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physically, but emotionally.

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And I mean, there are some big tragedies

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happening in Texas, in New Mexico.

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There are over 120 people that have

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confirmed that have died in

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these flash floods in Texas.

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There's there's about four individuals

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that are missing, three people killed,

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including two children in New Mexico.

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Horrendous, horrendous

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flooding, horrendous tragedy.

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And of course, people are still missing.

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what we wanted to avoid.

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We always want to avoid

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this type of stuff we talk.

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And in this as as everything is

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developing and as still people are trying

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to be found and rescuers are doing their

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best and and and braving the elements to

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get out there in very difficult

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situations or very dangerous situations

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to rescue and find some

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of these missing people.

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You know, there's some blame and a lot of

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stuff being thrown back and forth.

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political, you know, a lot of doge cuts

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that we talked about on the last podcast,

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you know, from NOAA, the National Weather

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Service, what we were afraid of.

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But it seems like a lot of political

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stuff is like, let's blame one side,

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let's blame the other side.

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I want to strip away that Dave today.

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And I want to kind of just talk about the

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process of what is supposed to happen.

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And if that happened during this, like

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the early warning systems, making sure

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people were safe or they knew about these

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types of storms and these types of

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floods, how these floods occurred.

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off with that, Dave.

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Can you just talk, because, you know,

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you've got you've got the knowledge on

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this way more than I do.

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Can you just let the audience know, like,

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what happened in the first place?

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How did these floods happen?

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it's a great question.

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in the future, but we can't tell, you

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know, days and days and days ahead of

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time, how much rain is going to fall in a

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certain watershed or over a certain town.

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thing as far as forecasting goes.

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result in flooding somewhere.

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the last, you know, several days, even

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before July 4th and the

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terrible flood happened.

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moisture that was in the air.

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a give and take for

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moisture and dry air over Texas.

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in Mexico several days before that.

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That was kind of, you

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know, rained out in Mexico.

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brought with it when it moved

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over Texas, even more moisture.

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it as boy, it's really humid out today.

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humid than yesterday.

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that system was bringing any rain itself

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or bringing any thunderstorms, but it was

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bringing the moisture.

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circulation around a high pressure system

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that was off the southeast coast of the

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United States that was bringing in more

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moisture from the Gulf.

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frequently in Texas.

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things that are coming together.

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the atmosphere that was leading to the

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development of

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thunderstorms in South Central Texas.

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And when you don't have a lot of steering

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currents, but you have a lot of moisture

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and you get thunderstorms to develop, you

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get thunderstorms that

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develop and don't move very quickly.

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There is no real push to

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get them out of the way.

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And so when those thunderstorms develop,

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they tap into that very

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thick layer of tropical moisture.

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It's continuing to be fed by moisture

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coming in off of the Gulf around the

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circulation around a

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high pressure system.

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And those thunderstorms

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just kind of sit there.

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And that's what happened over Kerr County

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in Texas and just north of Kerr County.

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These thunderstorms formed

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and they just kept reforming.

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We call it training when all move over

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the same place at the same time.

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And that is the

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recipe for flash flooding.

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So when you think about that, you think

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about that moisture and the storms going

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and all that stuff, you

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think, well, what about absorption?

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Can't the land absorb

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that rain coming down?

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And the hill country of South Central

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Texas is very much thin

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soil and a lot of rock.

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And it's it's very hard there.

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And so they had been in a drought for a

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long period of time.

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So you have very hard soil.

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You have not very thick soil for

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absorbing any kind of rain and, you know,

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nothing's going to absorb 12 to 15 to

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perhaps 20 inches of rain

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over a several hour period.

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That rain has to go somewhere and it

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drains right down into the watershed and

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into the local river.

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In this case, the Guadalupe River, which

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surged more than 30 feet as unreal.

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All that rain fell.

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Now, you know, we we talk about storms

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that happen like this and you know, you

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mentioned how this just seemed to be this

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time as coincidence in a way where all

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these systems are kind of

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converging in one place.

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You have over an area where you have, you

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know, a lot of rock.

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And so the absorption of the soil and

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thin soil, not a lot of

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absorption is going to happen.

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This seems to be just a case of bad luck.

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But we know we talk about when we do.

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I've done this in the past

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when I did private consulting.

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We talk about 100 year storms, which are

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really bad storms, 50 year storms, 10

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year storms and all these

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different types of storms.

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And, you know, engineers and planners,

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they build and they plan for these types

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of storms to happen every so often.

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So these hundred year storms, these 10

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year storms for a storm like this, I know

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it might be early to

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say, do we know what?

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What kind of category these storms have?

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Like, has this happened before in these

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areas where similar

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consequences or similar results?

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They have. And in Kerr County and along

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the Guadalupe River, they've had several

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major floods over the

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course of the last hundred years.

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And, you know, I hear in the media, I

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hear other people saying, oh, my gosh,

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this was a one in a thousand year event.

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Well, I've always been an advocate to

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say, let's throw that out the window.

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Right. Let's stop talking about one in a

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thousand year event.

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Let's talk a lot, not talk about one in a

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hundred year event because we are living

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in a different paradigm as far as the

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atmosphere is concerned.

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It is basically

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turbocharged with heat and moisture.

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And so we can't look at past events and

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say, oh, this is not

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going to happen again.

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Anybody that says that this flood that

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just happened isn't going to happen for

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another two to five

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hundred years is not accurate.

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And we're going to see more of these kind

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of floods happening not just in the

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United States, but in many countries

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around the world because we have that

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much more moisture in the atmosphere.

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And so, yes, they've had floods there.

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Many of the structures that were washed

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away were in flood zones.

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Some areas, including the Mystic Cabin

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retreat area was in

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an extreme flood zone.

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Who knows how they

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were able to build there.

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And they also apparently had an emergency

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plan and had an inspection two days

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before this happened and

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passed that inspection.

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So I don't know what the

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inspection was for. Right.

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But it's certainly opening up a lot of

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questions to what the people do,

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especially if they're taking money and

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taking and housing people and having

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activities in a dangerous

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area when it could flood.

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What are the plans that were in place?

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I'd love to see those emergency plans and

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I'd love to see what is the history.

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I'm starting to get information from

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several colleagues around what is the

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information in the past as to why they

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didn't have warning

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systems in place in that area.

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Yeah. You know, it's interesting.

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When we look at the coastal areas all

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around the world, they're

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always updating tsunami warnings.

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They're also updating coastal warnings,

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coastal hazards, sea surges and so forth.

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And you'd expect the same thing to

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happen, especially when you when you just

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what you just mentioned is they had an

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inspection and stuff.

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And I feel as though, as you mentioned

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earlier, how it's a different game than

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it was even 30 years ago, even 10 years

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ago, the atmosphere has changed.

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And so I think that's a good thing.

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Using the thousand year storms, hundred

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year storms, 10 year storms may not be

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appropriate at this point

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because there's going to there.

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We know they're going to be more frequent

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and the atmosphere in itself, as you as

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you described a lot in this podcast

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episode is it's it's

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thick and it's ready.

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So and we're seeing a lot different and I

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I said this a couple of years ago when

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here in Ontario, we had flash flooding

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and I said climate change is going to

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expose the vulnerabilities of cities that

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haven't done the

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necessary adaptations and plans.

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And this is not to because I don't want

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to blame anybody, you know, especially

445
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what's going on now is

446
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people are still being rescued.

447
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No, no, that's not what's
going on right now.

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But this is going to change. You know, there's a lot of people that are really cognizant of that.

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But unfortunately, when looking at people

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like cities and towns and villages that

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are dry right now, you know, that are

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watching this, this is the lesson that

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they have to take and being like we do

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inspections, we do routes

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and I think are these routes.

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We look at the floodplains,

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you know, we look at our people.

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Should people be in there?

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If they're in this area and they're

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allowed to be in this area, do they have

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the necessary equipment

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and ability to get out?

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You know, there's a lot of stuff that can

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go on in an emergency, as you know.

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And how many hours did it rise from five

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or seven feet to 37 feet?

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Yeah, estimates are

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between one and two hours.

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That's not a lot of time to get to get

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out of the dodge,

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especially to recognize.

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Like I've seen some of the videos, Dave,

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and you know, you worry

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that what's true, what's not.

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But, you know, it's not what you think in

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terms of the rise, you know, you would

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almost think that somebody's looking at

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it and it's just rising

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up, rising up, rising up.

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It didn't really happen that way, right?

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It was a gosh, like coming around the

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corner, you just see this, this wave in a

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river, which you're just

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like, how does this happen?

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And it's coming and rushing at you.

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It's not just rising this way.

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It's coming for you, you know, in that in

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that kind of manner, which is devastating

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and scary altogether.

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And so it's, you know, when you think

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about it and that rise, you think just

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straight up, but it's coming at you and

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up and that and it's coming out of big at

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a pretty fast speed.

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Yeah. And when you, you know, Andrew,

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when you think about that water coming

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down, let's just say it's moving at seven

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miles per hour, which

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is which is pretty fast.

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Yeah. For water.

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It exerts the same pressure on a person

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as a category five hurricane. And then

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when you make it 10, 20, 30 feet high,

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it's off the charts.

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Nothing can withstand the power of that

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much water coming down. And when you

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think about a thunderstorm, think about a

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hilly area, the topography, all this rain

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coming down along the river.

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And when you think about it, you know,

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all that water is running down along in

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those hills. All that water is running

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down towards the lowest spot.

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And where it meets is where these rivers

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are. That's why rivers are there. And

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when they all come together, all that

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water rushing over all those

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hills down all those hills.

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And when you think about it, you know,

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how it's going to rise in that level.

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Unreal. Now. So we now we know what

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happened in terms of the

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storm and and what it did.

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Let's talk warning systems. Let's talk

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how normally how are people warned about

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these types of storms and and what is the

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process that happens from what you see

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because you kind of see a

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little bit behind the scenes.

530
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And so you know, you have a lot of people

531
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in the environment at this point. You

532
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know, you you have your own. You have you

533
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have storms that are communications.

534
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That's your CEO. That is

535
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what you that's what you do.

536
00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:17,125
You provide information to people online,

537
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like through YouTube. And you also have

538
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your own clients where you provide that

539
00:19:20,708 --> 00:19:22,541
and provide more analysis and so forth.

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But for people who are in a situation

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like in, you know, Central Texas and Kerr

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County, how were they getting their

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updates and how is it

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normally supposed to go?

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And I have a question and one that's

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going to be analyzed for a while. And

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hopefully quick solutions will come up.

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Most areas like Kerr County or in rural

549
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areas around the country have a couple of

550
00:19:48,166 --> 00:19:50,666
ways of getting warnings from the

551
00:19:50,666 --> 00:19:52,666
National Weather Service. And the

552
00:19:52,666 --> 00:19:54,291
National Weather Service, first of all,

553
00:19:54,291 --> 00:19:57,541
is the official and authoritative voice

554
00:19:57,541 --> 00:20:01,291
for issuing watches and warnings.

555
00:20:02,083 --> 00:20:06,333
So I can't stand up as the CEO of Storm

556
00:20:06,333 --> 00:20:09,125
Center Communications and say I'm issuing

557
00:20:09,125 --> 00:20:12,375
a flash flood warning for this town.

558
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,666
Right. Right. I can't do that. Right.

559
00:20:16,166 --> 00:20:18,958
What we do is we immediately pass on

560
00:20:18,958 --> 00:20:21,708
those warnings and watches and advisories

561
00:20:21,708 --> 00:20:23,083
from the National Weather Service.

562
00:20:24,166 --> 00:20:26,708
And so there are there are two main ways

563
00:20:26,708 --> 00:20:28,708
that they can get that information. One

564
00:20:28,708 --> 00:20:30,583
is through the wireless emergency alert

565
00:20:30,583 --> 00:20:34,416
system. It's called we are here in the

566
00:20:34,416 --> 00:20:36,833
United States where the National Weather

567
00:20:36,833 --> 00:20:38,083
Service issues a warning.

568
00:20:49,791 --> 00:20:52,375
And you your phone will go on. You get

569
00:20:52,375 --> 00:20:54,875
that emergency message that pops up when

570
00:20:54,875 --> 00:20:56,791
you'll get that emergency message that

571
00:20:56,791 --> 00:21:02,333
pops up if you haven't turned it off on

572
00:21:02,333 --> 00:21:08,208
your phone. And if you have a signal and

573
00:21:08,208 --> 00:21:09,791
you have you have connectivity.

574
00:21:10,833 --> 00:21:14,000
Yeah. The other way which you can get

575
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,583
those warnings is through NOAA Weather

576
00:21:16,583 --> 00:21:20,583
Radio. NOAA Weather Radio is a standalone

577
00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:23,916
radio that has AMF and bands. As a matter

578
00:21:23,916 --> 00:21:25,250
of fact, I actually

579
00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:28,583
have one. It's right here.

580
00:21:29,541 --> 00:21:31,083
This is the one I think you were showing

581
00:21:31,083 --> 00:21:34,333
the other day on your social media. I saw

582
00:21:34,333 --> 00:21:37,458
this. Yeah. So so this is what it looks

583
00:21:37,458 --> 00:21:38,791
like. I don't know if you can see it.

584
00:21:39,333 --> 00:21:40,625
Yeah. If you just move it over just a

585
00:21:40,625 --> 00:21:41,958
little bit to your right, I believe.

586
00:21:41,958 --> 00:21:43,458
There you go. Yeah. Perfect. Thank you. I

587
00:21:43,458 --> 00:21:45,791
just unplug it. I don't have batteries in

588
00:21:45,791 --> 00:21:47,125
this one, but I'll put the antenna down.

589
00:21:47,833 --> 00:21:50,208
This is the NOAA Weather Radio. And you

590
00:21:50,208 --> 00:21:53,875
can program it for the area in which you

591
00:21:53,875 --> 00:21:56,125
live. You know, you go through a menu and

592
00:21:56,125 --> 00:21:58,583
then you find out what what section

593
00:21:58,583 --> 00:22:00,583
you're in, what state, what county and

594
00:22:00,583 --> 00:22:02,791
then what sub region you're in.

595
00:22:02,791 --> 00:22:06,750
And this radio is constantly monitoring

596
00:22:06,750 --> 00:22:11,666
through radio signals when the Weather

597
00:22:11,666 --> 00:22:13,958
Service issues an alert, whether it's a

598
00:22:13,958 --> 00:22:17,166
watch or a warning. And there are lights

599
00:22:17,166 --> 00:22:19,750
here right here. It says warning over

600
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:22,416
here. It says watch and those lights stay

601
00:22:22,416 --> 00:22:25,416
lit while that's that is in effect.

602
00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:27,583
And then all you have to do when you get

603
00:22:27,583 --> 00:22:30,750
an alert is you hit this button and then

604
00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:32,625
the National Weather Service computerized

605
00:22:32,625 --> 00:22:35,875
voice comes across and says National

606
00:22:35,875 --> 00:22:37,791
Weather Service has issued a flash flood

607
00:22:37,791 --> 00:22:41,791
warning for Kerr County in Texas for the

608
00:22:41,791 --> 00:22:44,291
Guadalupe River. It's rising rapidly and

609
00:22:44,291 --> 00:22:44,833
then they give

610
00:22:44,833 --> 00:22:46,791
instructions. Interesting. Okay.

611
00:22:46,833 --> 00:22:53,291
So what we know is that in some areas

612
00:22:53,291 --> 00:22:55,750
along the Guadalupe River, the cell

613
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:59,583
signal is terrible. So they don't have

614
00:22:59,583 --> 00:23:03,125
great connectivity. But the other thing

615
00:23:03,125 --> 00:23:06,083
that I do know is that NOAA Weather Radio

616
00:23:06,083 --> 00:23:09,583
completely covers Kerr County.

617
00:23:11,125 --> 00:23:15,458
So if everyone along the river had a no

618
00:23:15,458 --> 00:23:19,125
weather radio, they would have had the

619
00:23:19,125 --> 00:23:22,666
radios go off and alert them. Now that's

620
00:23:22,666 --> 00:23:25,458
one part of the equation getting the

621
00:23:25,458 --> 00:23:28,291
alert. The second part of the equation is

622
00:23:28,291 --> 00:23:31,958
understanding the alert. So what was

623
00:23:31,958 --> 00:23:35,541
communicated through no weather radio is

624
00:23:35,541 --> 00:23:36,791
another thing to look at.

625
00:23:36,791 --> 00:23:38,791
And we know because it's the same

626
00:23:38,791 --> 00:23:41,458
information that's sent through the

627
00:23:41,458 --> 00:23:44,166
Internet to all of our systems. You know,

628
00:23:44,166 --> 00:23:47,500
I was seeing those warnings coming in and

629
00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:48,666
you know, I could read them and it's

630
00:23:48,666 --> 00:23:50,416
exactly what no weather radio was saying.

631
00:23:51,458 --> 00:23:53,791
But then the other challenges was anybody monitoring a no weather radio when they had if they had a no weather radio and did they know what to do when they heard about that flash flood warning because I can certainly tell you that the flood warnings issued do not specifically identify all the camps and RV camp

632
00:24:20,833 --> 00:24:22,500
that are on the ground along the river.

633
00:24:23,458 --> 00:24:25,041
Right. Right. So maybe people are

634
00:24:25,041 --> 00:24:27,458
listening to Oh, the mystic camp. They

635
00:24:27,458 --> 00:24:30,291
didn't mention that. I don't know. Yeah,

636
00:24:30,541 --> 00:24:31,916
because they didn't mention the specific

637
00:24:31,916 --> 00:24:34,041
argument could be so many. There could be

638
00:24:34,041 --> 00:24:36,333
so many. Yeah, you have to have

639
00:24:36,333 --> 00:24:39,250
situational awareness for what a warning

640
00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:44,875
means and how it applies to where you are

641
00:24:44,875 --> 00:24:46,333
and where you're going to be spending

642
00:24:46,333 --> 00:24:46,750
time. Right. And and so the the the other thing that I think that's really important is that the

643
00:24:50,833 --> 00:24:53,708
other way in which you can get warnings

644
00:24:53,708 --> 00:24:56,916
is you know, through other Internet

645
00:24:56,916 --> 00:25:02,041
connected devices. Right. I mean, for

646
00:25:02,041 --> 00:25:04,541
example, we developed a technology called

647
00:25:04,541 --> 00:25:06,166
geo collaborate, which allows you to

648
00:25:06,166 --> 00:25:08,208
collaborate across different platforms.

649
00:25:08,875 --> 00:25:12,000
If there was a warning issued, then that

650
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,500
area would light up, you know, and then

651
00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:16,125
you click on it and then you see what the

652
00:25:16,125 --> 00:25:19,000
warning is. That's not the most proactive

653
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,750
way to get a warning.

654
00:25:21,708 --> 00:25:24,791
And the provision to lipid scheme and theeffect and the awareness that

655
00:25:24,791 --> 00:25:40,000
everybody has on Earth. And word ofPath

656
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,583
and to get you to check the warning out the other day, take alternative control. And that theasse messages that they cables may tell you that they have. If

657
00:25:45,583 --> 00:25:47,791
it's like, we're going to make the messages on dimensional security room chorus spiritual or organizations and email.

658
00:25:48,750 --> 00:25:49,416
These are the kind of

659
00:25:49,416 --> 00:25:50,666
questions that we need to ask.

660
00:25:50,875 --> 00:25:52,833
And, and you know, I mean, some people

661
00:25:52,833 --> 00:25:54,500
have said to me, you know,

662
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:56,125
why are you looking at what, what needs

663
00:25:56,125 --> 00:25:57,666
to happen now and all that stuff?

664
00:25:57,666 --> 00:26:00,000
They're still looking for victims. And I

665
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,125
said, you know what? I,

666
00:26:01,458 --> 00:26:02,958
from a meteorologist, from a

667
00:26:02,958 --> 00:26:04,208
meteorologist perspective

668
00:26:04,208 --> 00:26:06,416
that who does not live in

669
00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:10,458
Texas, we're all grieving, right?

670
00:26:10,791 --> 00:26:11,583
We're all grieving.

671
00:26:11,583 --> 00:26:12,458
Even up here in Canada.

672
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:15,208
And, and that's right. People

673
00:26:15,208 --> 00:26:16,750
around the world are grieving.

674
00:26:16,958 --> 00:26:19,333
And we're all looking at

675
00:26:19,333 --> 00:26:21,125
what can we do to help?

676
00:26:22,416 --> 00:26:25,708
And we can't get down there and dig under

677
00:26:25,708 --> 00:26:27,583
trees and try to move cars.

678
00:26:27,916 --> 00:26:29,666
And there are a lot of people down there

679
00:26:29,666 --> 00:26:30,541
doing that right now.

680
00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:33,708
So the way in which we can do that is to

681
00:26:33,708 --> 00:26:34,750
think about not

682
00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:36,208
letting this happen again.

683
00:26:36,583 --> 00:26:38,541
And what can we do?

684
00:26:39,291 --> 00:26:43,208
What? How can we contribute to warning

685
00:26:43,208 --> 00:26:44,750
systems, understanding

686
00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:46,791
more, creating better

687
00:26:46,833 --> 00:26:50,333
products, you know, and it really does in

688
00:26:50,333 --> 00:26:52,333
many cases come down to

689
00:26:52,333 --> 00:26:57,666
people believing the warning.

690
00:26:58,458 --> 00:27:00,875
Right. I mean, we even saw this. We even

691
00:27:00,875 --> 00:27:03,416
saw this with Hurricane Katrina where

692
00:27:03,416 --> 00:27:05,875
people stayed even, you know,

693
00:27:05,875 --> 00:27:08,041
when they were told to evacuate, you

694
00:27:08,041 --> 00:27:09,500
know, they're always going to be people

695
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:11,375
who ignore the warnings,

696
00:27:11,375 --> 00:27:12,541
ignore the evacuations.

697
00:27:13,125 --> 00:27:15,625
They don't heed the dangers. Right.

698
00:27:16,125 --> 00:27:19,458
Right. Right. And, and if you hear that

699
00:27:19,458 --> 00:27:22,708
warning and you just turn it off because

700
00:27:22,708 --> 00:27:25,458
you get a lot of warnings that never mean

701
00:27:25,458 --> 00:27:28,541
anything, that's something that we have

702
00:27:28,541 --> 00:27:31,875
to look at as meteorologists as the

703
00:27:31,875 --> 00:27:33,208
National Weather Service.

704
00:27:33,958 --> 00:27:36,083
What is it that they can do differently

705
00:27:36,083 --> 00:27:40,291
to make this one seem above and beyond?

706
00:27:40,791 --> 00:27:42,208
Yes. And make it a

707
00:27:42,208 --> 00:27:43,166
little bit more urgent.

708
00:27:43,708 --> 00:27:45,500
Yeah, a little bit more urgent. And

709
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,708
that's why the Weather Service came up

710
00:27:47,708 --> 00:27:51,208
with flash flood emergency.

711
00:27:52,833 --> 00:27:54,666
Right. Okay. Flash flood warnings, flash

712
00:27:54,666 --> 00:27:55,791
flood warning for here,

713
00:27:56,041 --> 00:27:57,208
flash flood warning for there.

714
00:27:58,750 --> 00:28:01,083
But when there's a flash flood emergency,

715
00:28:02,458 --> 00:28:05,750
their hope is that people will hear the

716
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:10,291
word emergency and listen closer to where

717
00:28:10,291 --> 00:28:12,166
that impacts and then take action.

718
00:28:12,458 --> 00:28:14,666
And that's exactly what a flash flood

719
00:28:14,666 --> 00:28:17,500
emergency means. Yeah. And indeed, a

720
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,791
flash flood emergency was issued. Gotcha.

721
00:28:21,333 --> 00:28:23,958
Now, when we know one thing to those two

722
00:28:23,958 --> 00:28:26,625
is to remark, you know, as we discuss

723
00:28:26,625 --> 00:28:29,125
what can be done in the future.

724
00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:31,916
I also want to kind of like we're talking

725
00:28:31,916 --> 00:28:33,791
we're focusing right now on Texas, but,

726
00:28:33,791 --> 00:28:36,875
you know, not long after maybe like three

727
00:28:36,875 --> 00:28:39,916
or four days after on July 8, we saw a

728
00:28:39,916 --> 00:28:41,958
flash flood in New Mexico.

729
00:28:43,541 --> 00:28:45,458
And, you know, you know, people,

730
00:28:45,458 --> 00:28:47,250
unfortunately, people perished. Some

731
00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:50,125
individuals are still missing. So this is

732
00:28:50,125 --> 00:28:52,208
why like it could happen. We're in this.

733
00:28:52,208 --> 00:28:53,666
We're in a situation right now. We're in

734
00:28:53,666 --> 00:28:55,958
a time of year where in certain areas

735
00:28:55,958 --> 00:28:58,416
where we're more vulnerable than others.

736
00:28:58,458 --> 00:29:01,208
So even people who are understanding

737
00:29:01,208 --> 00:29:02,875
what's happening over in Texas, over in

738
00:29:02,875 --> 00:29:04,500
New Mexico, they're in somewhere else.

739
00:29:04,875 --> 00:29:06,708
They may be like, maybe we should go get

740
00:29:06,708 --> 00:29:09,125
a NOA radio, you know, or figure out how

741
00:29:09,125 --> 00:29:10,583
to get that. Maybe we should start

742
00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:13,875
looking more on our town or village or

743
00:29:13,875 --> 00:29:16,500
our city's website and find out where the

744
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:17,416
evacuation routes are.

745
00:29:17,458 --> 00:29:20,666
Or even talk to our council person or

746
00:29:20,666 --> 00:29:22,375
government representative of like, what

747
00:29:22,375 --> 00:29:24,625
do we do in this emergency? What is

748
00:29:24,625 --> 00:29:27,041
actually an emergency that we should be

749
00:29:27,041 --> 00:29:29,708
really looking out for? And I think it's

750
00:29:29,708 --> 00:29:31,125
important to that. And that's why I want

751
00:29:31,125 --> 00:29:35,208
to cover it in this episode because you

752
00:29:35,208 --> 00:29:36,625
just never know when it's going to hit,

753
00:29:36,625 --> 00:29:38,833
especially in a summer where we're

754
00:29:38,833 --> 00:29:40,375
getting humidity all across North

755
00:29:40,375 --> 00:29:42,291
America, where the rains

756
00:29:42,291 --> 00:29:42,416
are going to start to come.

757
00:29:42,458 --> 00:29:45,500
We've been having drought conditions. And

758
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,041
when those rains come, they come hard and

759
00:29:48,041 --> 00:29:50,375
it could be it could be very dangerous.

760
00:29:51,333 --> 00:29:53,083
And the situation with these with these

761
00:29:53,083 --> 00:29:54,708
radios is the first time I've heard of

762
00:29:54,708 --> 00:29:56,125
these radios that were still available.

763
00:29:56,875 --> 00:30:00,333
Is this given out by by the local

764
00:30:00,333 --> 00:30:02,791
governments or or like the government

765
00:30:02,791 --> 00:30:05,208
initiatives or are these just purchased

766
00:30:05,208 --> 00:30:07,750
at like your radio shack or Circuit City

767
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:08,416
or Best Buy or whatever.

768
00:30:08,458 --> 00:30:10,958
Yeah. Yeah. You could. That's a great

769
00:30:10,958 --> 00:30:13,541
question. And you can purchase these. You

770
00:30:13,541 --> 00:30:16,416
can get on, you know, any online retailer

771
00:30:16,416 --> 00:30:20,291
that sells this kind of stuff and order

772
00:30:20,291 --> 00:30:24,625
them. OK. In many cases, state or county

773
00:30:24,625 --> 00:30:26,958
governments will buy a

774
00:30:26,958 --> 00:30:28,416
whole big lot of them. OK.

775
00:30:28,458 --> 00:30:30,916
OK. Especially in areas that you really

776
00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:33,916
need them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I

777
00:30:33,916 --> 00:30:36,333
remember speaking with a friend of mine

778
00:30:36,333 --> 00:30:40,791
and colleague who is the spokesperson for

779
00:30:40,791 --> 00:30:43,916
Midland Radio, which is a manufacturer of

780
00:30:43,916 --> 00:30:48,791
no weather radios, said that in some

781
00:30:48,791 --> 00:30:53,208
cases, areas or counties or towns who

782
00:30:53,208 --> 00:30:54,583
decided. And I want to talk

783
00:30:54,583 --> 00:30:56,833
about sirens as well. Right.

784
00:30:57,458 --> 00:31:01,375
Who decided not to install sirens or to

785
00:31:01,375 --> 00:31:05,375
take down their sirens and use that

786
00:31:05,375 --> 00:31:07,958
budget to buy no weather radios and give

787
00:31:07,958 --> 00:31:11,708
them to their OK. OK. Their citizens. So

788
00:31:11,708 --> 00:31:12,916
it wasn't just the fact that they're just

789
00:31:12,916 --> 00:31:15,166
taking it down because they don't want to

790
00:31:15,166 --> 00:31:16,166
use them anymore. They're taking them

791
00:31:16,166 --> 00:31:17,791
down, but replacing them with something

792
00:31:17,791 --> 00:31:19,750
probably a little bit more with more

793
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:21,041
information like these no radios.

794
00:31:21,458 --> 00:31:23,333
More information and a radio signal

795
00:31:23,333 --> 00:31:26,041
reaches a lot further than a siren. True.

796
00:31:26,833 --> 00:31:29,500
And, you know, many studies have happened

797
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:32,000
where, you know, sirens have been put in

798
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,916
places and unfortunately they're not made

799
00:31:34,916 --> 00:31:37,416
to penetrate your house. Right.

800
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:40,666
So you may not hear a siren. You may be

801
00:31:40,666 --> 00:31:42,708
watching TV. You may be having your

802
00:31:42,708 --> 00:31:45,375
headphones on. You may be sleeping and

803
00:31:45,375 --> 00:31:47,166
you don't hear the sirens. Now, people

804
00:31:47,166 --> 00:31:49,083
who live close to the sirens are going to

805
00:31:49,083 --> 00:31:52,541
hear them. But there have been instances

806
00:31:52,541 --> 00:31:54,875
around the country where towns have

807
00:31:54,875 --> 00:31:56,958
invested in these sirens. And, you know,

808
00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:59,291
you're talking anywhere between 100 and

809
00:31:59,291 --> 00:32:03,541
$500,000 a year. You know, you have to

810
00:32:03,541 --> 00:32:05,875
pay for maintenance and,

811
00:32:05,875 --> 00:32:06,416
you know, keeping the sirens.

812
00:32:06,458 --> 00:32:08,833
You know, keeping them up, installing

813
00:32:08,833 --> 00:32:10,500
them, you know, all that kind of stuff.

814
00:32:11,083 --> 00:32:13,625
What else can you do with that money that

815
00:32:13,625 --> 00:32:16,125
might give everybody an alert in their

816
00:32:16,125 --> 00:32:19,291
own home and know whether radio is

817
00:32:19,291 --> 00:32:22,000
certainly an option? Yeah.

818
00:32:22,875 --> 00:32:24,208
What's interesting, too, is that you

819
00:32:24,208 --> 00:32:28,458
think about radios. You know, when I grew

820
00:32:28,458 --> 00:32:31,083
up, radio was a was a still pretty big

821
00:32:31,083 --> 00:32:32,750
thing. You listen to it in your car. You

822
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:34,208
could listen to them at home.

823
00:32:34,458 --> 00:32:38,208
You know, there was no iPhones or MP3s or

824
00:32:38,208 --> 00:32:39,583
Internet even when I, you know, in the

825
00:32:39,583 --> 00:32:42,750
80s when I was a kid. And so radios were

826
00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:44,750
a pretty big thing. When my parents were

827
00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:46,458
growing up, that's what they listened to.

828
00:32:46,458 --> 00:32:47,708
That was their entertainment. So

829
00:32:47,708 --> 00:32:49,583
everything was listened over the radio.

830
00:32:50,291 --> 00:32:52,250
We have a lot of different technologies

831
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:56,083
nowadays in our homes, phones, wireless

832
00:32:56,083 --> 00:33:00,083
internet, you know, TVs and so forth.

833
00:33:01,125 --> 00:33:03,833
And those can go down. Power outages can

834
00:33:03,833 --> 00:33:05,833
really go. The radio frequencies from

835
00:33:05,833 --> 00:33:08,125
these radios really are powerful. Do you

836
00:33:08,125 --> 00:33:11,250
think that even though it's so powerful,

837
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:13,916
people don't think they're as advanced

838
00:33:13,916 --> 00:33:17,083
because they're, you know, from a

839
00:33:17,083 --> 00:33:20,208
futuristic standpoint, they look like

840
00:33:20,208 --> 00:33:21,791
they're old technology and some people

841
00:33:21,791 --> 00:33:23,416
may not rely on them as much.

842
00:33:23,458 --> 00:33:25,083
Do you think is it do you think there's

843
00:33:25,083 --> 00:33:27,250
has has that ever come across your

844
00:33:27,250 --> 00:33:30,291
conversations with the maybe lack of

845
00:33:30,291 --> 00:33:33,208
uptake from from some communities? Yeah,

846
00:33:33,208 --> 00:33:35,333
I really haven't heard that. You know,

847
00:33:35,333 --> 00:33:38,291
the fact that it's a radio people might

848
00:33:38,291 --> 00:33:41,000
not be interested in using it. They'd

849
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,458
rather, you know, have some AI bot

850
00:33:43,458 --> 00:33:45,583
blanket their phone or

851
00:33:45,583 --> 00:33:46,750
something, you know, right.

852
00:33:47,458 --> 00:33:50,458
And the problem is that in many areas,

853
00:33:51,416 --> 00:33:56,208
particularly very rural areas, there may

854
00:33:56,208 --> 00:34:00,000
not be cellular signals. And if you don't

855
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,750
have a cellular signal, then you're

856
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:04,916
basically carrying a brick around in your

857
00:34:04,916 --> 00:34:06,500
pocket. That's not going to tell you

858
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:10,083
anything. And the no weather radio does

859
00:34:10,083 --> 00:34:13,458
penetrate much more of the

860
00:34:13,458 --> 00:34:15,291
geography and people can get it.

861
00:34:15,458 --> 00:34:18,958
Now, I do think that it's really an

862
00:34:18,958 --> 00:34:24,125
awareness thing where people don't know

863
00:34:24,125 --> 00:34:26,375
about no weather radio. It's been around

864
00:34:26,375 --> 00:34:31,000
for more than 50 years. The it's being

865
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,250
threatened by cuts budget cuts. You know,

866
00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:38,250
if the National Weather Service continues

867
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:40,708
to take budget cuts, they've been

868
00:34:40,708 --> 00:34:42,958
protecting no weather radio for now.

869
00:34:43,583 --> 00:34:46,333
But pretty soon, you know, if they keep

870
00:34:46,333 --> 00:34:48,000
getting cut, that's going to be something

871
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,000
that they can't afford to maintain. So

872
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,791
then this so this and then when you mean

873
00:34:52,791 --> 00:34:54,708
by that, sorry to interrupt when you when

874
00:34:54,708 --> 00:34:56,375
you mean by that, it's not the people who

875
00:34:56,375 --> 00:34:58,416
manufacture the actual radios.

876
00:34:58,458 --> 00:35:00,791
It's a signal that goes out to the radios

877
00:35:00,791 --> 00:35:04,750
to maintain that awareness. That's right.

878
00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:06,666
Because because they used to have like

879
00:35:06,666 --> 00:35:08,458
when no weather radio first started, they

880
00:35:08,458 --> 00:35:10,000
installed all these antennas,

881
00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:12,708
transmission antennas, yeah, around the

882
00:35:12,708 --> 00:35:15,166
country for to broadcast the signals.

883
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,125
And then that got really expensive to

884
00:35:18,125 --> 00:35:20,375
maintain. So they started leasing space

885
00:35:20,375 --> 00:35:24,000
off of existing radio towers and towers

886
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,291
that that exist out there.

887
00:35:25,833 --> 00:35:27,416
Well, I mean, that's like rent.

888
00:35:27,458 --> 00:35:31,708
It keeps going up. And so they're

889
00:35:31,708 --> 00:35:36,041
struggling with increased costs to

890
00:35:36,041 --> 00:35:39,375
maintain the transmitter and to keep it

891
00:35:39,375 --> 00:35:41,791
on the tower that they they have it on

892
00:35:41,791 --> 00:35:46,708
now. Because when they issue from each

893
00:35:46,708 --> 00:35:48,416
forecast office, when they issue the

894
00:35:48,416 --> 00:35:51,250
warning and they that automatically

895
00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:54,000
activates the signal that sets the no

896
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,416
weather radios off. Right.

897
00:35:55,583 --> 00:35:57,625
So the weather service doesn't make the

898
00:35:57,625 --> 00:35:59,958
no weather radios, but they provide the

899
00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:01,625
content that's going to save your life.

900
00:36:02,083 --> 00:36:05,416
Right. Which is if the most important,

901
00:36:05,416 --> 00:36:07,416
right, is you've got the device, they

902
00:36:07,416 --> 00:36:09,000
want to get you the information to go to

903
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,375
that device and get it.

904
00:36:10,875 --> 00:36:13,000
I want to kind of just talk a little bit

905
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,750
about some of the stuff that's been said

906
00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:18,375
over the last week or so in terms of what

907
00:36:18,375 --> 00:36:19,791
may have happened, what may not have

908
00:36:19,791 --> 00:36:21,500
happened. It sounds just from our

909
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:22,416
conversation that alerts went out.

910
00:36:22,583 --> 00:36:25,333
But there could have been a lot of ways

911
00:36:25,333 --> 00:36:26,875
that people didn't get alerts, lack of

912
00:36:26,875 --> 00:36:29,750
cell service, lack of the technology like

913
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:32,708
the radio that would have it power

914
00:36:32,708 --> 00:36:35,000
outages. So, you know, again, lack of

915
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,583
ability to get that that data to them or

916
00:36:37,583 --> 00:36:38,750
those alerts to people.

917
00:36:40,125 --> 00:36:42,125
We talk about cuts. We talk about the

918
00:36:42,125 --> 00:36:43,500
cuts that were coming, the cuts that have

919
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:44,958
happened to the National Weather Service

920
00:36:44,958 --> 00:36:47,291
to NOAA over the last couple of months

921
00:36:47,291 --> 00:36:49,333
has been very quick. And I know things,

922
00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:52,083
you know, things move slowly in

923
00:36:52,083 --> 00:36:53,583
government. A lot of the times we know

924
00:36:53,583 --> 00:36:54,083
National Weather

925
00:36:54,083 --> 00:36:55,541
Service budget's been cut.

926
00:37:06,458 --> 00:37:06,625
And I think that's a great question of

927
00:37:06,625 --> 00:37:09,250
alerts not going out due to whatever

928
00:37:09,250 --> 00:37:10,708
reason, whether they were cuts, whether

929
00:37:10,708 --> 00:37:12,833
it was like a mistake, whether or is that

930
00:37:12,833 --> 00:37:14,333
an investigation that that's got to

931
00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:15,041
happen after where we

932
00:37:15,041 --> 00:37:16,125
can get full answers?

933
00:37:16,125 --> 00:37:18,375
Yeah, no, I mean, and that's that's a

934
00:37:18,375 --> 00:37:20,916
that's a popular question, too. Yeah. Did

935
00:37:20,916 --> 00:37:23,500
did the cuts impact the issuance of the

936
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:27,625
warning? Right now, there doesn't seem to

937
00:37:27,625 --> 00:37:34,000
be a direct correlation between cuts and

938
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,416
the warning went out late.

939
00:37:35,458 --> 00:37:37,583
Right. The National Weather Service

940
00:37:37,583 --> 00:37:40,666
Office in New Braunfels in San Antonio,

941
00:37:41,916 --> 00:37:44,916
they had extra meteorologists on staff

942
00:37:44,916 --> 00:37:47,833
than they normally would. Okay. Because

943
00:37:47,833 --> 00:37:51,291
of the possibility or the likelihood of

944
00:37:51,291 --> 00:37:54,875
flooding happening. But where I do think

945
00:37:54,875 --> 00:37:59,625
it could have made a difference. And, you

946
00:37:59,625 --> 00:38:02,291
know, it can't be proven right now.

947
00:38:02,458 --> 00:38:05,333
And that is that their warning

948
00:38:05,333 --> 00:38:08,208
coordination meteorologist every office

949
00:38:08,208 --> 00:38:11,208
has what they call a WCM a warning

950
00:38:11,208 --> 00:38:14,416
coordination meteorologist and their job.

951
00:38:14,458 --> 00:38:18,166
One of their jobs is to be the liaison

952
00:38:18,166 --> 00:38:21,666
between the emergency managers and the

953
00:38:21,666 --> 00:38:24,833
National Weather Service towns and the

954
00:38:24,833 --> 00:38:27,625
National Weather Service and any other

955
00:38:27,625 --> 00:38:30,416
organizations that, you know, have an

956
00:38:30,416 --> 00:38:32,708
interest in getting warning information.

957
00:38:33,916 --> 00:38:36,041
And so these warning coordination

958
00:38:36,041 --> 00:38:38,750
meteorologists are just like every other

959
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:41,250
employee. They were offered the early

960
00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:45,958
buyouts to retire as a as a point of

961
00:38:45,958 --> 00:38:49,500
force reduction mandated, you know,

962
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:51,500
across the government.

963
00:38:52,458 --> 00:38:53,708
And the warning coordination

964
00:38:53,708 --> 00:38:57,000
meteorologist took an early retirement

965
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:03,000
about eight months ago and they have not

966
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,500
been replaced. And so, you know, my as a

967
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:12,416
meteorologist, I'm thinking, well, that

968
00:39:12,416 --> 00:39:13,875
warning coordination meteorologist

969
00:39:13,875 --> 00:39:17,375
between eight months ago and now could

970
00:39:17,375 --> 00:39:18,833
have been visiting all those places

971
00:39:18,833 --> 00:39:20,166
telling them about the

972
00:39:20,166 --> 00:39:21,416
importance of the flood warnings.

973
00:39:21,458 --> 00:39:24,625
Telling them the importance of, hey, we

974
00:39:24,625 --> 00:39:27,041
can flood really quickly. Be ready. We're

975
00:39:27,041 --> 00:39:29,250
going to issue these alerts. Would he

976
00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:32,875
have done that? I don't know. But the job

977
00:39:32,875 --> 00:39:36,125
of the WCM is to be that liaison and to

978
00:39:36,125 --> 00:39:38,250
make sure the emergency management

979
00:39:38,250 --> 00:39:40,416
community understands

980
00:39:40,416 --> 00:39:42,416
how the process works.

981
00:39:42,458 --> 00:39:46,000
The other thing I don't know is the

982
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,541
people that this warning coordination

983
00:39:47,541 --> 00:39:49,666
meteorologist was had such great

984
00:39:49,666 --> 00:39:52,333
relationships with. Did any of them

985
00:39:52,333 --> 00:39:55,708
change in the last eight months? And if

986
00:39:55,708 --> 00:39:57,583
any of those changed in the last eight

987
00:39:57,583 --> 00:39:59,583
months, were they getting any instruction

988
00:39:59,583 --> 00:40:03,083
for what those warnings mean and how

989
00:40:03,083 --> 00:40:05,750
should they act? Should they hear it?

990
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:07,958
What kind of connectivity back to the

991
00:40:07,958 --> 00:40:08,583
weather service?

992
00:40:08,583 --> 00:40:11,083
Because there is a channel.

993
00:40:11,458 --> 00:40:12,458
There's a feedback channel. It's called

994
00:40:12,458 --> 00:40:17,500
NWS Chat. Right. Where the emergency

995
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:20,750
managers and media can be in a direct

996
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:23,000
chat with meteorologists at the weather

997
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,500
service. Right. You know, what kind of

998
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:27,541
activity was going on there?

999
00:40:28,458 --> 00:40:31,000
That's more to issue even more warnings

1000
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,291
to the public to even like help boost the

1001
00:40:33,291 --> 00:40:34,833
information getting out. Is that it?

1002
00:40:35,333 --> 00:40:36,625
Well, I think more up to date warnings

1003
00:40:36,625 --> 00:40:39,500
were about not issuing more warnings. But

1004
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:42,083
what do you do when you receive this

1005
00:40:42,083 --> 00:40:45,583
warning? Ah, OK. Gotcha. So so more

1006
00:40:45,583 --> 00:40:47,291
helpful tips and stuff. Yeah, there's a

1007
00:40:47,291 --> 00:40:49,250
there's a flood flash flood emergency.

1008
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,208
We're issuing that should have made every

1009
00:40:53,208 --> 00:40:55,083
emergency manager and every police

1010
00:40:55,083 --> 00:40:57,458
officer get up and go down to that riverbank to try to get out.

1011
00:40:58,458 --> 00:41:02,583
Right. Yeah. Yeah. They know that, you

1012
00:41:02,583 --> 00:41:05,625
know, so there's an education behind that

1013
00:41:05,625 --> 00:41:07,125
as well. And I just wanted to mention,

1014
00:41:07,125 --> 00:41:10,583
too, that and I haven't been able to

1015
00:41:10,583 --> 00:41:12,208
confirm it, but I've seen it in some

1016
00:41:12,208 --> 00:41:13,916
media reports. And I know that those

1017
00:41:13,916 --> 00:41:16,625
specific media get multiple. They have to

1018
00:41:16,625 --> 00:41:18,333
get multiple confirmations before they

1019
00:41:18,333 --> 00:41:21,375
report it. And that is, is that Kerr

1020
00:41:21,375 --> 00:41:23,750
County had the option or an opportunity

1021
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:27,000
to install a siren system

1022
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:27,416
along the Guadalupe River.

1023
00:41:28,458 --> 00:41:33,291
Where this flood happened back in 2016 or

1024
00:41:33,291 --> 00:41:40,333
2017 and they refused to do it. Why? I

1025
00:41:40,333 --> 00:41:42,625
don't know. I didn't see the study that

1026
00:41:42,625 --> 00:41:45,750
was done to say it's not worth it or

1027
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:50,250
whatever. I have heard officials say that

1028
00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:53,125
installing an alert system is expensive.

1029
00:41:54,625 --> 00:41:56,416
And so that just leads you to answer that question.

1030
00:41:56,458 --> 00:42:03,375
Well, what's expensive and at what price?

1031
00:42:03,375 --> 00:42:05,416
Yeah, well, it was a priority here.

1032
00:42:05,958 --> 00:42:08,958
Something is more expensive. And what did

1033
00:42:08,958 --> 00:42:12,416
you buy with that money that could have

1034
00:42:12,416 --> 00:42:14,666
been that could have put in an alerting

1035
00:42:14,666 --> 00:42:19,416
system. So I'm sure I will guarantee it

1036
00:42:19,416 --> 00:42:23,541
1000% that there's going to be a lot of

1037
00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:25,416
pressure to get some sort of alerting system.

1038
00:42:25,458 --> 00:42:29,958
I personally think throughout the country

1039
00:42:29,958 --> 00:42:33,791
that this flood will lead to some sort of

1040
00:42:33,791 --> 00:42:37,750
major change in the way that flood

1041
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:43,083
warnings are issued and consumed. And the

1042
00:42:43,083 --> 00:42:45,666
question is going to be how long will

1043
00:42:45,666 --> 00:42:49,083
that take? And, you know, I mean, Andrew,

1044
00:42:49,083 --> 00:42:49,416
we're talking about this flood.

1045
00:42:49,583 --> 00:42:55,416
It happened less than a week ago or a

1046
00:42:55,416 --> 00:43:00,958
week ago actually today. And six months

1047
00:43:00,958 --> 00:43:02,291
down the road, will anybody

1048
00:43:02,291 --> 00:43:03,958
be thinking of flash flooding?

1049
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,500
Well, and you're right. And I think it's

1050
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,875
important. This is, we had this, like I

1051
00:43:09,875 --> 00:43:11,708
mentioned, we had flash flooding, not as

1052
00:43:11,708 --> 00:43:16,666
bad obviously, but it was pretty bad. But

1053
00:43:16,666 --> 00:43:18,416
nobody followed up. I had it in my neighborhood in Pittsburgh.

1054
00:43:18,458 --> 00:43:19,500
I had it in my neighborhood and certain

1055
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:20,666
parts of my neighborhood. And I followed

1056
00:43:20,666 --> 00:43:22,958
up with the people happened twice in in

1057
00:43:22,958 --> 00:43:25,708
in a year, less than a year. And then

1058
00:43:25,708 --> 00:43:28,375
because there weren't any fatalities,

1059
00:43:28,375 --> 00:43:29,375
thank God, and knock on

1060
00:43:29,375 --> 00:43:30,375
whether it doesn't happen.

1061
00:43:31,625 --> 00:43:33,583
People's places, properties got damaged

1062
00:43:33,583 --> 00:43:35,541
and and it happened twice. So they had to

1063
00:43:35,541 --> 00:43:37,916
put in two insurance claims now that

1064
00:43:37,916 --> 00:43:40,208
people are concerned that over time, like

1065
00:43:40,208 --> 00:43:41,875
those insurance is going to go up or not

1066
00:43:41,875 --> 00:43:45,291
covered. And and no, but nobody followed

1067
00:43:45,291 --> 00:43:46,750
up with the region,

1068
00:43:47,416 --> 00:43:48,416
with the city government.

1069
00:43:48,458 --> 00:43:50,583
They were just worried about their own,

1070
00:43:50,583 --> 00:43:53,416
you know, insurance costs. And just to

1071
00:43:53,416 --> 00:43:55,916
your to your point of in six months from

1072
00:43:55,916 --> 00:43:58,291
now, is this going to be kind of washed

1073
00:43:58,291 --> 00:44:01,333
aside and no pun intended, of course. And

1074
00:44:01,333 --> 00:44:02,291
people aren't just are

1075
00:44:02,291 --> 00:44:03,416
just going to forget about it.

1076
00:44:03,958 --> 00:44:06,291
Assuming that it's going to be dealt

1077
00:44:06,291 --> 00:44:08,583
with, you know, that the people that they

1078
00:44:08,583 --> 00:44:10,416
voted into power to say, Hey, you know

1079
00:44:10,416 --> 00:44:12,666
what, we need to we need to deal with

1080
00:44:12,666 --> 00:44:14,041
this, we need to put in this iron system,

1081
00:44:14,041 --> 00:44:15,958
because obviously, it would have helped.

1082
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:17,916
We didn't do it the first time. This is

1083
00:44:17,916 --> 00:44:19,625
our chance to do it. But people, I feel

1084
00:44:19,625 --> 00:44:21,000
that they need to follow up.

1085
00:44:21,458 --> 00:44:22,750
They need to continue, especially if

1086
00:44:22,750 --> 00:44:24,625
you're in an area that's vulnerable and

1087
00:44:24,625 --> 00:44:26,000
you may or may not be able to move out of

1088
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,541
that area or you want to continue to stay

1089
00:44:27,541 --> 00:44:29,416
in that area. I feel like you almost have

1090
00:44:29,416 --> 00:44:31,291
to have like put committees together,

1091
00:44:31,791 --> 00:44:33,125
citizen committees to make

1092
00:44:33,125 --> 00:44:34,708
sure that that that's followed up.

1093
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,583
It's so important to do that. And I

1094
00:44:37,583 --> 00:44:40,541
think, you know, in Kerr County, Texas, I

1095
00:44:40,541 --> 00:44:43,625
don't think they'll ever forget when you

1096
00:44:43,625 --> 00:44:45,833
get outside of Texas and around the

1097
00:44:45,833 --> 00:44:47,625
country, there are probably.

1098
00:44:49,208 --> 00:44:58,958
you know, Kerr County, Texas tomorrow.

1099
00:45:00,125 --> 00:45:06,500
And will people see this as a reason to

1100
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:09,958
make them move faster in getting alert

1101
00:45:09,958 --> 00:45:12,750
systems or understanding what's

1102
00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:14,958
available, putting things in place,

1103
00:45:15,541 --> 00:45:17,458
getting meteorologists in to talk to them about what's going on in the world.

1104
00:45:18,458 --> 00:45:18,750
And I think that's something that we're going to have to do to
make sure that we have the right resources to be able to

1105
00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:20,625
take the risk and what their risk

1106
00:45:20,625 --> 00:45:24,000
tolerance is, because communities could

1107
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,000
come together and say, you know what?

1108
00:45:26,833 --> 00:45:29,166
We want to. And this is something they

1109
00:45:29,166 --> 00:45:32,000
don't do today, but could be in the

1110
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,958
future where communities work together to

1111
00:45:34,958 --> 00:45:38,208
say, okay, this is our risk tolerance.

1112
00:45:44,458 --> 00:45:46,583
Instead of the government coming in

1113
00:45:46,583 --> 00:45:48,041
saying we're going to issue a warning

1114
00:45:48,041 --> 00:45:51,041
because we think this is what it should

1115
00:45:51,041 --> 00:45:53,916
be. Yeah. If you get more community

1116
00:45:53,916 --> 00:45:57,375
involvement and buy in from people as to

1117
00:45:57,375 --> 00:45:59,916
what you're trying to do, I think you'll

1118
00:45:59,916 --> 00:46:03,333
get more longevity in people thinking

1119
00:46:03,333 --> 00:46:05,958
about it and feeling more comfortable

1120
00:46:05,958 --> 00:46:07,666
with the risk that

1121
00:46:07,666 --> 00:46:08,916
that they're undertaking.

1122
00:46:09,666 --> 00:46:11,791
I agree. I agree completely. That

1123
00:46:11,791 --> 00:46:14,416
feedback mechanism is so important

1124
00:46:14,416 --> 00:46:17,041
because that's what makes a community.

1125
00:46:17,333 --> 00:46:18,833
That's not just don't just let government

1126
00:46:18,833 --> 00:46:20,500
make all the decisions, but be involved

1127
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:22,500
in the government and be involved with

1128
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:24,416
what happens around your town city.

1129
00:46:24,458 --> 00:46:26,208
Obviously, you know, not not trying to

1130
00:46:26,208 --> 00:46:28,500
blame on anybody in this situation. This

1131
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:32,208
is devastating. You know, our hearts go

1132
00:46:32,208 --> 00:46:35,166
out to all the people affected who have

1133
00:46:35,166 --> 00:46:36,291
lost their loved ones and are still

1134
00:46:36,291 --> 00:46:37,458
looking for those. It

1135
00:46:37,458 --> 00:46:39,416
must be a horrible situation.

1136
00:46:39,458 --> 00:46:41,541
We don't want to see this situation

1137
00:46:41,541 --> 00:46:44,500
happen again ever, you know, and to

1138
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:47,958
protect that we know the ways I think

1139
00:46:47,958 --> 00:46:52,541
this also speaks to a couple of things.

1140
00:46:52,541 --> 00:46:54,875
One that we need to invest in these

1141
00:46:54,875 --> 00:46:56,375
monetarily as well

1142
00:46:56,375 --> 00:46:58,416
funding wise into these systems.

1143
00:46:58,458 --> 00:47:01,083
They're not cheap for a lot of times, but

1144
00:47:01,083 --> 00:47:03,083
they are effective when they're in. They

1145
00:47:03,083 --> 00:47:05,833
can save a lot of people's lives. So I

1146
00:47:05,833 --> 00:47:07,250
think that's that's important. I think

1147
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:09,416
also the fact that, you know, we we

1148
00:47:09,416 --> 00:47:10,916
pretty much went through this this

1149
00:47:10,916 --> 00:47:12,958
episode without really talking about

1150
00:47:12,958 --> 00:47:14,000
climate change too much.

1151
00:47:14,666 --> 00:47:16,375
And we didn't have to because flooding is

1152
00:47:16,375 --> 00:47:17,791
enough. Like we know the risks of

1153
00:47:17,791 --> 00:47:20,333
flooding. We know it's being it's made

1154
00:47:20,333 --> 00:47:22,875
worse by climate change, but people see

1155
00:47:22,875 --> 00:47:25,000
this and this is a danger and like an

1156
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,083
extreme danger to people immediately. And

1157
00:47:28,083 --> 00:47:29,166
this needs to be fixed.

1158
00:47:29,458 --> 00:47:30,875
And so there's a lot of things that we

1159
00:47:30,875 --> 00:47:33,125
can do in the short term and in the long

1160
00:47:33,125 --> 00:47:36,250
term to ensure that we can predict these

1161
00:47:36,250 --> 00:47:39,125
things a little bit faster just from a

1162
00:47:39,125 --> 00:47:41,000
you know, where it doesn't just sneak up

1163
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,833
on us and also making sure that we have

1164
00:47:43,833 --> 00:47:46,000
connectivity so that people can get

1165
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,708
alerts and all the

1166
00:47:46,708 --> 00:47:48,500
different ways of getting alerts.

1167
00:47:48,833 --> 00:47:50,083
You know, as far as I'm concerned, like

1168
00:47:50,083 --> 00:47:51,250
if you're in one of those areas,

1169
00:47:52,041 --> 00:47:54,333
everybody should be given a radio, you

1170
00:47:54,333 --> 00:47:55,500
know, like that should come to the house

1171
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:57,416
or apartment or anything, right?

1172
00:47:57,458 --> 00:48:00,333
I agree. And you know, another important

1173
00:48:00,333 --> 00:48:03,000
thing is is because we're in a new

1174
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,833
paradigm and you're right. We don't have

1175
00:48:04,833 --> 00:48:07,333
to talk about climate change. All we have

1176
00:48:07,333 --> 00:48:09,333
to talk about is there's more moisture in

1177
00:48:09,333 --> 00:48:11,583
the atmosphere. And yes, the atmosphere

1178
00:48:11,583 --> 00:48:13,041
is warmer. So you're adding more

1179
00:48:13,041 --> 00:48:15,083
ingredients to create

1180
00:48:15,083 --> 00:48:16,416
floods in many more locations.

1181
00:48:16,458 --> 00:48:23,750
And we also want to make sure that people

1182
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:28,291
understand we are in that new paradigm.

1183
00:48:28,791 --> 00:48:32,250
So forecasts of flash flooding are going

1184
00:48:32,250 --> 00:48:35,125
to be more numerous. We're going to talk

1185
00:48:35,125 --> 00:48:38,500
about that a little bit more and that

1186
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:43,416
that we need the research, right?

1187
00:48:43,458 --> 00:48:48,791
We need research in science to understand

1188
00:48:48,791 --> 00:48:52,291
how the atmosphere is transforming and

1189
00:48:52,291 --> 00:48:55,916
how fast it's transforming because that

1190
00:48:55,916 --> 00:48:58,416
one in one thousand year flood that

1191
00:48:58,416 --> 00:49:01,125
everybody's talking about may become a

1192
00:49:01,125 --> 00:49:04,416
one in 10 year flood at that magnitude.

1193
00:49:04,458 --> 00:49:08,833
But then 10 years from now, it may become

1194
00:49:08,833 --> 00:49:12,791
a one in two year flood. Yeah. And so if

1195
00:49:12,791 --> 00:49:16,000
that happens, that has to change

1196
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,291
everyone's planning for community

1197
00:49:19,291 --> 00:49:21,208
development, urbanization,

1198
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,416
planning, storm drain size.

1199
00:49:24,458 --> 00:49:28,458
What kind of what kind of modifications

1200
00:49:28,458 --> 00:49:35,000
are cities and towns going to need to to

1201
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,166
manage that kind of rainfall? Absolutely.

1202
00:49:39,166 --> 00:49:43,333
You said it perfectly. I think it's

1203
00:49:43,333 --> 00:49:45,583
funding needs to go in that and that can

1204
00:49:45,583 --> 00:49:46,416
be costly, but it's necessary.

1205
00:49:46,458 --> 00:49:49,000
And I think a lot of times it gets passed

1206
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,375
up and it's deemed unnecessary for

1207
00:49:52,375 --> 00:49:54,375
whatever reason, whether it's political,

1208
00:49:54,375 --> 00:49:57,291
whether it's it's budgetary. But you're

1209
00:49:57,291 --> 00:49:58,666
right. We do need to understand our

1210
00:49:58,666 --> 00:50:00,250
system more. We are in an ever changing

1211
00:50:00,250 --> 00:50:01,958
world more than ever.

1212
00:50:02,750 --> 00:50:05,000
And we need to we need to have a better

1213
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,291
understanding of how we can adapt to it

1214
00:50:07,291 --> 00:50:09,708
and change it. So that hopefully that's

1215
00:50:09,708 --> 00:50:11,291
why research needs to be funded.

1216
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:12,416
Absolutely. Absolutely.

1217
00:50:12,458 --> 00:50:15,083
David, I want to thank you so much for

1218
00:50:15,083 --> 00:50:17,166
spending some time with me today. I know

1219
00:50:17,166 --> 00:50:19,125
you're busy. I appreciate all the work

1220
00:50:19,125 --> 00:50:20,958
you do and all the work your colleagues

1221
00:50:20,958 --> 00:50:24,375
do and appreciate you coming here and

1222
00:50:24,375 --> 00:50:26,333
giving information to our audience, you

1223
00:50:26,333 --> 00:50:28,416
know, sifting through all the stuff on

1224
00:50:28,416 --> 00:50:30,333
the news and being able to provide us

1225
00:50:30,333 --> 00:50:33,250
with ways people get alerts as well as

1226
00:50:33,250 --> 00:50:35,416
ways they can get alerts and how they can

1227
00:50:35,416 --> 00:50:36,416
get in the future if they need it.

1228
00:50:36,458 --> 00:50:38,791
So if everybody can go out and get your

1229
00:50:38,791 --> 00:50:40,500
NOAA watch radio, go out and get it

1230
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:43,041
because it's very important to do so.

1231
00:50:43,041 --> 00:50:44,375
I'll put it if I can find some links.

1232
00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:46,500
I'll put a link if you can if you can

1233
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:48,666
purchase it online or something. So

1234
00:50:48,666 --> 00:50:49,916
again, Dave, thank you so

1235
00:50:49,916 --> 00:50:51,333
much. We really do appreciate it.

1236
00:50:51,666 --> 00:50:52,958
Great. Thank you, Andrew. Thanks for

1237
00:50:52,958 --> 00:50:53,416
having me. No problem.

1238
00:50:54,458 --> 00:50:57,375
Thank you, Dave, for joining us on

1239
00:50:57,375 --> 00:50:59,333
today's episode of the How to Protect the

1240
00:50:59,333 --> 00:51:00,791
Ocean podcast and providing us all that

1241
00:51:00,791 --> 00:51:02,458
information. A lot of the stuff I didn't

1242
00:51:02,458 --> 00:51:03,750
know about and I thought it was really

1243
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:06,291
interesting to find out, you know, after

1244
00:51:06,291 --> 00:51:09,000
all this gets sorted investigations

1245
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,375
happen, people get to mourn their loss,

1246
00:51:12,375 --> 00:51:13,958
people get to understand what happened

1247
00:51:13,958 --> 00:51:14,416
and what they can do in the future.

1248
00:51:14,458 --> 00:51:18,500
I hope that there are critical and

1249
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:20,666
constructive conversations from a

1250
00:51:20,666 --> 00:51:22,708
government level and community levels

1251
00:51:22,708 --> 00:51:25,041
with their governments in order to better

1252
00:51:25,041 --> 00:51:27,875
protect themselves. Forget the political

1253
00:51:27,875 --> 00:51:31,125
side of everything. Forget the two sides

1254
00:51:31,125 --> 00:51:33,791
to every political aisle. Forget the

1255
00:51:33,791 --> 00:51:36,583
climate change political aspect. Let's

1256
00:51:36,583 --> 00:51:38,416
protect people. Let's make sure that we can be safe in our own communities, you know, whether in the US, whether you're in Canada, whether you're in Europe, whether you're in the US, whether you're in Canada, whether you're in Europe.

1257
00:51:38,458 --> 00:51:45,916
It doesn't matter. We want to make sure

1258
00:51:45,916 --> 00:51:48,708
that we're protected and governments and

1259
00:51:48,708 --> 00:51:50,500
communities need to come together to be

1260
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:52,000
able to ensure that these are protected.

1261
00:51:52,416 --> 00:51:53,333
This has nothing to do with political

1262
00:51:53,333 --> 00:51:55,666
affiliations. This has to do with

1263
00:51:55,666 --> 00:51:57,416
protecting people, with protecting

1264
00:51:57,416 --> 00:52:01,000
children. You know, 27 children were

1265
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,708
killed because they were at a camp that

1266
00:52:02,708 --> 00:52:04,416
were on the Guadalupe River and that is unacceptable. That cannot happen again. And we need to protect the people.

1267
00:52:04,458 --> 00:52:06,958
And that is unacceptable. That cannot

1268
00:52:06,958 --> 00:52:08,833
happen again. And we need to better

1269
00:52:08,833 --> 00:52:10,833
prepare for these types of storms, not

1270
00:52:10,833 --> 00:52:13,916
only from just a receiving and providing

1271
00:52:13,916 --> 00:52:16,833
alerts, but also the infrastructure of

1272
00:52:16,833 --> 00:52:18,666
where things can be built, where things

1273
00:52:18,666 --> 00:52:20,833
can go in the future. And I think that's

1274
00:52:20,833 --> 00:52:22,708
really important discussions to have in

1275
00:52:22,708 --> 00:52:24,458
the future, even in my community up here

1276
00:52:24,458 --> 00:52:26,166
in Canada, in Burlington, Ontario.

1277
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:28,416
So I want to thank you everybody for

1278
00:52:28,416 --> 00:52:30,375
joining us today. I'd love to hear your

1279
00:52:30,375 --> 00:52:31,916
feedback and leave a comment on the

1280
00:52:31,916 --> 00:52:32,875
YouTube channel if you're watching this

1281
00:52:32,875 --> 00:52:34,291
on YouTube, or if you're listening to

1282
00:52:34,291 --> 00:52:35,750
this on your favorite podcast app, you

1283
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:37,166
can hit me up on my website,

1284
00:52:37,541 --> 00:52:40,125
speakupforblue.com forward slash contact,

1285
00:52:40,125 --> 00:52:42,208
leave me an email. If you have any

1286
00:52:42,208 --> 00:52:43,291
questions for myself or

1287
00:52:43,291 --> 00:52:44,416
Dave, I'll pass it on to him.

1288
00:52:44,458 --> 00:52:46,916
It goes right to my personal email, or

1289
00:52:46,916 --> 00:52:49,083
you can hit me up on Instagram at how to

1290
00:52:49,083 --> 00:52:51,000
protect the ocean. It's at how to protect

1291
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,708
the ocean. Just DM me. I want to thank

1292
00:52:52,708 --> 00:52:54,250
you so much for joining us on today's

1293
00:52:54,250 --> 00:52:55,708
episode of the how to protect the ocean

1294
00:52:55,708 --> 00:52:57,583
podcast. I'm your host, Andrew Lewin from

1295
00:52:57,583 --> 00:52:59,333
the true North strong and free. Have a

1296
00:52:59,333 --> 00:53:00,250
good day. We'll talk to you

1297
00:53:00,250 --> 00:53:01,458
next time and happy conservation.