How to Network at Marine Science Conferences Like a Pro

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There have been a number of conferences
this year that have gone on in

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sharks, in marine conservation,
marine science, all that kind of

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stuff, and I love conferences.

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I love going to them, as many as possible,
as many as my bank account can take.

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But one thing that I always hear
every single time are people

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worried about going to conferences.

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One, the expense.

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Totally understand.

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It's a difficult thing to get if you
aren't being sponsored by somebody,

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or your school isn't sending you to
it, or your work isn't sending you.

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But when you do get there, the other big
thing is like, "Oh, I'm introverted,"

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or, "I don't really know what to do when
I get there, how to network and stuff."

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So today, I wanna talk about going
to conferences and networking, 'cause

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it's one of the biggest ways and one
of the best ways you can basically get

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jobs, build a network, collaborate
with people, and just build friends and

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colleagues for the rest of your life.

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It's where a lot of work and projects were
solidified throughout time for science.

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And so, I think it's
really important to do.

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This is gonna be fun.

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I love conferences.

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It is my favorite thing.

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I remember interviewing for my last
position, not the one I just have

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now, but the position I had before.

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It was, like, seven years
ago, eight years ago.

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And I remember them doing, and they're
like, "Hey, Andrew, do you like going

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to conferences?" In the interview.

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And I'm like, " Conferences?

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That's my jam.

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That's what I love to do."
Like, I'm an extrovert.

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I love people.

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I love interacting with
people, and I get excited.

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I get pumped to go to conferences.

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And I get it.

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Not everybody's like me
and have the same attitude.

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But it doesn't matter.

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Conferences are a part of the
conservation career journey.

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You have to be able to interact
with people in some sorta way.

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I'm not dismissing people who are
introverted or who are a little shy

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and, don't know exactly what to say.

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Not to worry, 'cause this episode, we
are going to go over some of the things

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that have helped me over the years.

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And to be honest, have helped my daughter
be able to start her conservation journey,

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'cause she's in wildlife conservation.

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It's helped her interact with
people and build a network and go

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to job fairs and talk to people.

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And we're gonna talk about some of the
people we've been told have also gone

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to those job fairs and how they act.

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And I think it's really important
to understand that there are certain

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things that you can practice before
you go that'll make you feel more

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comfortable when you get there.

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And if you feel that comfort, I'm not
forcing anybody to do things, but if

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you feel that comfort, you can get there,
and you can actually feel a lot better

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by using a couple of little things.

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That's the big thing.

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So let's talk conferences The
best thing to do is read up on the

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conferences that works best for you.

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If you're going into the fisheries
for conservation or careers, you

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go to a fisheries conference.

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If you're in just conservation in general,
you go to maybe the Conservation Congress.

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If you are into sharks, you go to
Sharks International, or you go to

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the American Elasmobranch Society
conference that they have every year.

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They just had it in,
I forget where it was.

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I think it was Arizona.

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But regardless, there's a conference
for pretty much everything, and

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you just have to pick and choose.

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You have to do the research.

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There's a coral reef conference,
there's a seagrass conference,

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maybe more of a workshop.

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There's sea turtle conferences, the
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all these different conferences.

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And they are, just as
I mentioned, societies.

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They are put on by scientific
societies and conservation societies.

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And so, like, the Sharks International
is put on by the Shark Trust.

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The American Elasmobranch Society puts
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which is part of another conference,
like the Herpetology Conference too.

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That's a long story, but they combine to
make one bigger one, so they get deals on

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conference centers and stuff like that.

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The marine section for the Society of
Conservation Biology does International

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Marine Conservation Congress, my
favorite conference to go podcasting.

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I go podcasting there all the time.

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And it's in Scotland this year.

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Hopefully, you'll be there
November 13th through the 17th.

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I actually am presenting,
which is a lot of fun.

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The thing is, is, like, you
have to find what works for you.

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There's an ocean science meeting that
happened in Scotland this past year,

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which I think is the first time in a
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in Europe and not in North America.

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And so there are a lot of conferences
for something that you want to go into.

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And then of course, there's the
general ocean conservation conferences

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that are, like, Ocean Decade
Conference, Our Oceans Conference.

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And those are international,
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Like, they're usually run by
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You've gotta first pick and choose
which conference will fit your

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career or will fit what you need
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If there's a specific theme that is
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and that fits what you wanna do or
what you are already doing, then

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you go to that, conference, right?

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You do whatever you can
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Now, look, some of these conferences
are really expensive, and they're far.

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Like, the International Marine
Conservation Congress, it's in Scotland.

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It's in Edinburgh, I think, is
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You have to spend the money to go there.

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It's expensive for hotels.

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It's expensive probably for food.

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It's expensive to get there.

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Marine Conservation Congress at one time
had it in Malaysia, and so for a North

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American, it was expensive to get there.

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South Africa the two years before.

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It can be expensive for
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But also, it makes it closer for
other people who always have to fly

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to North America or Europe from,
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South Africa and things like that.

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So having them in countries where
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crowd or a crowd that can't always make
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they will have it all over the place.

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So check to see which one fits you best.

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I actually just talked to a
colleague of mine that just

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went to Sharks International.

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And I asked her how it was.

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She said it was great.

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It was in Sri Lanka this year.

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It was a little difficult from
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'cause it's a little expensive.

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But the next one is the same.

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It's a little more expensive, but it's
every four years, so she's starting

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to save now so that she can afford
the trip in four years from now.

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Which is a great way
to really think of it.

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If you're gonna save, you know, save a
couple hundred bucks a month, and you'll

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be able to get, pay for the flight,
pay for the hotel, and enjoy the time.

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Because when you go to a conference
in person, it is so much better.

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Like it-- You get to meet people face
to face that you've known online.

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You get to interact over a coffee,
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non-alcoholic, a lunch, a dinner.

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If you're having water at the snack
booth, in the middle of sessions, and

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you meet somebody you haven't seen or
you've just interacted on BlueSky or

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on LinkedIn, it's nice to be able to
put a face and a voice to the name.

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I've met a lot of people in the how
to protect the ocean audience that

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have shown up to International Marine
Conservation Congresses, and it's been

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phenomenal to meet the people there.

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It's been great.

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I love it.

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Is so much fun to get feedback
and to talk about what they love

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and what they'd like to see in the
future and all that kind of stuff.

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The thing is, is like you go
there in person because you can

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build your relationships better.

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Everything in person is better.

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And I understand that having a virtual
conference is a lot more inclusive because

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people from all over the world, as long
as it's within their time zone or they

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can even stay up till 3:00 in the morning
if they want, if they have to, you

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can take part in many of the sessions.

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Some of them are recorded,
so you can watch them after.

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But having it in person is just so
much better because the business

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relationships that you build when you're
there is just a little bit stronger.

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It's very difficult in a virtual
conference to start hanging out

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and chatting with people online.

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It's not an easy thing to do.

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So doing it in person is a lot easier.

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Now, I know there are some people
who are a little introverted, more

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introverted, get a little shy,
get a little imposter syndrome.

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I'm gonna tell you, we all get it.

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I get it.

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Colleagues get it.

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It's something that nobody ever gets over.

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I think what you have to remember
is that everybody's a person.

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I do a podcast with Dr. David Ebert.

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Dave is a legend in the
shark science world.

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He is like taxonomy king in there,
or one of them anyway, and he's

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the go-to for a lot of people
to identify specific species.

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That's what he loves to do.

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And when he goes to a conference,
some people are a little

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worried or shy to go up.

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They have a little imposter
syndrome, like, "I don't know if

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I'm worth going up to him." You
know what he says all the time?

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He wants people to come up to him.

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He loves it when people come up to
him and say, "Hi, I'm so and so.

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This is my research.

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This is what I'm doing.

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This is what I'd like to do.

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Really love what you're doing." It's
nice to meet people that are either just

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getting in their career, have been in
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science, 'cause he goes to a lot of those.

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It is just nice to have all those
people show up and meet him face to

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face, 'cause he can put that face.

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He's old school too, so he
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name when he sees them online.

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And a lot of the people that he met
will probably be on the Beyond Jaws

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podcast in the next year or so,
'cause he came back and he's like,

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"Andrew, I met so many new people.

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It was so great.

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I'm gonna line them up to have
them on the podcast." This

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is what it's about, though.

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It's about meeting people.

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It's about introducing yourself.

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It's about talking research.

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But also, I want you to remember when
you network, it's not all business.

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Okay?

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And here's how an
interaction typically goes.

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When you first meet somebody
at a conference, now, this is

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probably usually over food.

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That's the best time to
get people is over food.

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I know it sounds weird,
but it's over food.

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If I see somebody I recognize that I
may not know, but I know who they are,

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I will grab a plate, I will go beside
them as they're in the buffet line or

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whatever, and I will just chitchat.

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I'm like, "Oh, that looks really
good. Have you ever tried that

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before?" Something like that.

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And then I talk, I'm like, "Oh, you're so
and so." And they're like, "Yeah, that's

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me." And I'm like, "Oh, I'm a huge fan.

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My name's Andrew Lewin, and this is
what I do." I give my elevator pitch.

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So I basically talk about,
you know, I'm a podcaster.

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I've had a podcast called How to Protect
the Ocean podcast for over 10 years.

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I'm a marine biologist, and now
I'll be able to say that I'm Ocean

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Communications Manager for Pisces Oceans.

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And I talk about what I do, and I'm just
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done," and usually, if it's somebody I
know, I really love what you've done,

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like, in terms of a specific aspect of
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to do for that side of the field."
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I'm like, " How was your trip?" "Are you
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small talk that you can essentially just
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you're not as nervous or things like that.

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And then a lot of the times you're
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you're talking about the conference
hotel, you're talking about the food.

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You're talking about, "Hey, are you
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You just let the conversation kind
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And then you talk about, "Hey, I just
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I'm not sure if you've attended,"
or, "What was your favorite session

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so far?" And then you just start
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And it can go any which way.

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It could go, like, personal in terms
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you got there and everything like that.

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It could go with, like,
sessions that you had.

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It can go with, like, the amenities
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hotel and the food and everything.

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There's a lot of things that it can go.

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The country that you're in.

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Maybe if it's not a country you've
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"Isn't this a wonderful country?"

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Like, "Have you been here?

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What do I do?" Like, "What would you
recommend?" All that kind of stuff, right?

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So all these types of small chitchat can
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But the biggest thing that you have
to remember is that you have to have

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your elevator pitch, your 30 second,
20 to 30 second elevator pitch,

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about who you are and what you do.

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I ask that in every interview.

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"Who are you and what do you do?
Tell us who you are and what you

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do." And if you're able to say that
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'Cause even me, as someone who goes
to a conference, I will practice it

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in my hotel room or on the flight or
wherever I go, I will practice it.

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I will record it, listen back
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'cause I hate hearing my voice.

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I will speak it out loud.

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And the more you practice it,
the more it comes off the tip of

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your tongue better, and it sounds
like you know what you're doing.

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If you said the first time, you're
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Practice the story.

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It's almost like when you go
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You know some of the
questions they're gonna ask.

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Like, they're like, "Did you ever have a
hard time in work, and how did you solve

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it?" You should have a story ready.

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You should have something ready, and
you should have that prepared, at

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least a couple of different stories
for specific questions that you think

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are being asked or that have been
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It's the same thing with
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Like, have certain things that
you're ready to talk about

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and that you can talk about.

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If you're not good at conversation,
if you practice those and practice

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that storytelling, they don't
have to be elaborate, they

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don't have to be descriptive.

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It just comes out easily,
then it really helps.

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It really helps.

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And I think it helps also
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Like, not everybody's gonna be nice.

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Not everybody is going to be
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They might look at you, like
not knowing who you are and

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waiting to hear what you do.

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So in a ocean conference-type
setting, if you start talking

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about, "Hey, my name's Andrew Lewin.

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Now I'm gonna lead with Pisces Oceans.

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"I'm an ocean communications manager
for Pisces Oceans, and, you know, I'm

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here to take in some of the sessions,
talk to maybe potential clients, but

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really just enjoy the time around here."

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And they're like, "Oh, and what are
you up to these days?" If I know who

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they are, or, "What do you do?" And
then they're gonna say the same thing.

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Like, "My name is," say it's Dave Ebert.

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"I'm a shark scientist.

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I'm known as the Lost Shark guy online.

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I discover sharks that haven't been
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I've described over 50 species."
My God, I know his elevator

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pitch more than I know mine.

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But regardless, you know, like you have to
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And once you say it a bunch of
times, it becomes so easy when you

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get there and you start to say it.

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You'll be surprised.

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Case in point, my daughter and
I, we went to the Toronto Zoo

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job fair a couple years ago.

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She wants to be a zookeeper, and she
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Now she's in her first year, but this
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It was the winter of grade 11.

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So she wasn't graduating high school yet.

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She wasn't going to university yet.

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She just wanted to see
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So there was a job fair.

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So we drove the hour and 15 minutes
to the zoo, which was perfect

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time because I got in the car.

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Tea is her name.

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I said, "Hey, Tea, like, what
are you gonna say to people

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when you go up to them?"

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She's like, "What do you mean?"
Well, I'm like, "Basically…"

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I kinda laid it out, right?

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I said, "It's a job fair, so there's gonna
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gonna be different departments set up.

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So you'll have, like,
the zookeeper department.

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You'll have, like, the
custodian department.

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You'll have the curator department.

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You'll have the animal
welfare research department.

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You'll have all these different
departments that they have

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that they're hiring for.

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And then what you're gonna do is
you're gonna walk up to the table

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of the department that interests
you, and you're gonna tell them

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who you are and what you do.

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Or in this case, what you
want to do and what you want.

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And so what university you wanna go to,"
'cause she hadn't gotten into university

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yet, " and then what you wanna do
at that university and what you wanna

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do as a career. And so you're gonna
walk up, and you're gonna say that."

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I said, "You need to have that elevator
pitch." She's like, "Oh, okay." And

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then I kinda waited, and I'm like,
" What's your elevator pitch?" "Oh,"

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she's like, "oh, what do you mean,
now?" I'm like, "Yeah, now." I'm

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like, "This is your elevator pitch.

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This is what we are going to do.

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We are going to practice this.

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We have an hour and, now 10 minutes
where you're gonna practice.

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You're gonna tell me over and over and
over again." And that's what we did.

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She crafted one.

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And the first time, it came
out rough, and that was fine.

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I said, "No, this is good because
now you have the layout, and

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you know what you need to say."

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And we practiced it over and
over and over and over until

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she could say it in her sleep.

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And even to this day she says it.

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And so when we got to the job
fair, she started going up.

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I know the CEO.

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She walked up to the CEO, and she's
like, "Hey, Dolph," like, "I know

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who you are," blah, blah, blah.

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My name's Tehya, and this is what I
do." And he was like, "This is great.

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You know exactly what you wanna do."
He's like, "Well, enjoy." Like, he

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gave us all the tour and what to do
and all this kind of stuff, right?

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So, and he was even giving her kind
of like a heads-up, like, " Hey, you

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know, you're still in high school.

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We normally hire university students
because we can hire them earlier

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in May, but we do take some high
school students, but just keep

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that in mind." So no problem.

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That was great.

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Gave us a great heads-up.

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And then she started going
to the different tables.

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I wouldn't walk up.

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I stayed back.

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She walked up.

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'Cause I tend, if I go up as her
dad, I'm going to take over because

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I'm an extrovert, and I take over.

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I have to sit there, and I have to just
put my hand over my mouth, and I have

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to be like, "Mmm," because I'm gonna
talk and interrupt all the time 'cause

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I'm a white male, and that's what I do.

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And it's just, I have
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So I took a step back.

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I said, Go on up and say, who
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went up to every single table.

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And can I tell you how
impressed people were?

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It was a proud papa moment.

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I was a proud dad watching my
daughter go up there and talk.

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A little emotional, to be honest,
because she showed off that she was

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like, you know, 16, 17 years old.

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She's showing off that she can
do this, and she's mature enough

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to do this and that she wants to
do this, and this is her passion.

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She's always wanted to do this.

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So she goes up, and she talks
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The last table of the day that
she walked up to and she said her

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elevator pitch, and the woman that
was behind the table said, "You know

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what?" This was an amazing interaction
'cause they talked for a while.

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And after that, and I walked up after
'cause I met up with her after and she's

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like, "Your daughter was phenomenal."

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She's like, "She walked up.

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She knew exactly what to say.

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She told me what her name was,
what she wanted to do, what she was

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interested in, all this kind of stuff.

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We talked about the university.

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We talked about future plans.

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We talked a little bit about
how to try and get in here

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and try and get jobs here."

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She was like, "From a communication
standpoint, it's great 'cause

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that's what we look for.

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Obviously they have to be in a
specific program, and they have

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to be interested, and they have
to have the skills and qualities.

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But the zookeepers and anybody who
works at the zoo has to be able

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to speak to the public because
that's what you're there for.

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You're there to explain the animals to
the public." And she was able to do that.

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She's like, I could see it right away.

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She's just got that personality." And
she's like, "Some of the people who

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came up that were her age or even
older would walk up to the table

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and just stare and not say a word,
and they would just stare at her."

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And she was just like, " can I help
you?" Like, "Did you wanna have

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some questions?" And she had to
try and pull the conversation out.

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Now, that doesn't give a good impression,
and it's not necessarily their fault.

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Some people, it's English isn't their
first language, so they might feel a

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little bit shy and not as confident.

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Other people may not know to do that.

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They haven't been taught
that or anything like that.

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I don't know.

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Regardless, it was an
observation that was made.

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And Taya felt confident after.

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And I'll tell you what happened is the
next year she went back to that same job

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fair, and people remembered who she was.

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One person especially was
like, "Oh yeah, I remember you.

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You went to Guelph.

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Did you get in?" She's like,
"Yeah, I got into Guelph.

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I'm in Guelph right now.

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I'm really enjoying it." They talked
a lot about that, and they talked

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about doing something in the future.

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This is what happens when you practice
your 30-second elevator pitch.

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You become memorable, and you
let your personality just shine.

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Now, I know, again, I'm gonna say
this again, if you're introverted,

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I'm not forcing anybody to do this.

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This will help you at conferences to
kind of break the ice a little bit.

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Just have that little practice
so you have something to bring to

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the table, and then just relax.

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Sometimes you can just sit back, like
in a big group, you can sit back

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and just enjoy the conversation, how
it goes and everything like that.

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So that's great.

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What I would recommend, if you're
in ocean conservation, and you're

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in ocean science, I would highly
recommend going to the International

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Marine Conservation Congress.

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I am not sponsored by them yet, but,
it's a conference that I believe

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in a lot, and I'll tell you why.

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This conference is one of the
most inclusive conferences I have

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been-- if not the most inclusive
conferences that I have ever attended.

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I have never felt so welcoming,
so supported and so valued.

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And it's not just me feeling that.

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00:18:27,163 --> 00:18:29,823
I've spoken to other people who
have gone to the conference,

454
00:18:29,843 --> 00:18:31,263
and they felt the same way.

455
00:18:31,567 --> 00:18:35,617
And it's because of the attendees
and the organizers and the

456
00:18:35,617 --> 00:18:37,177
volunteers on the committees.

457
00:18:37,410 --> 00:18:41,920
The people who attend, just in general,
try to make it as welcoming as possible.

458
00:18:42,304 --> 00:18:43,594
Somebody might come up and talk to you.

459
00:18:43,594 --> 00:18:45,894
Sometimes I walk up to people
and I just say, "Hey," you

460
00:18:45,894 --> 00:18:46,974
know, like, "How you doing?

461
00:18:46,974 --> 00:18:48,164
My name's Andrew," this and that.

462
00:18:48,304 --> 00:18:49,954
" I see that you're just staying
here," like, "I see that you're

463
00:18:49,964 --> 00:18:52,464
probably in the buffet line," 'cause
that's usually where I hang out.

464
00:18:52,794 --> 00:18:54,854
Um, but, yeah, that's just what it is.

465
00:18:54,904 --> 00:18:57,214
It's just a friendly environment.

466
00:18:57,254 --> 00:18:58,791
It's a supportive environment.

467
00:18:59,007 --> 00:19:02,457
Sometimes you'll get invited to
dinner, sometimes you'll get

468
00:19:02,457 --> 00:19:06,577
invited to lunch, or sometimes we're
going out for some drinks after.

469
00:19:06,804 --> 00:19:08,894
People are looking out for each other.

470
00:19:08,904 --> 00:19:11,114
We're making sure that everybody
feels welcome and feels

471
00:19:11,114 --> 00:19:12,654
safe, all that kind of stuff.

472
00:19:12,654 --> 00:19:16,204
And look, I can't speak for everybody
at the conference, but I can speak

473
00:19:16,204 --> 00:19:20,121
to my experiences and the people that
I've met at the conference and stuff,

474
00:19:20,287 --> 00:19:21,807
and they all say the same thing.

475
00:19:21,927 --> 00:19:24,047
I'm sure there's some, been
some incidences over the

476
00:19:24,047 --> 00:19:25,217
years that I'm not aware of.

477
00:19:25,391 --> 00:19:27,741
But for the most part,
things have been really good.

478
00:19:27,741 --> 00:19:30,661
Like 99% of the time, things
have been pretty good that I've

479
00:19:30,661 --> 00:19:32,121
heard feedback from other people.

480
00:19:32,121 --> 00:19:36,541
Just to full disclosure, I am part of the
program committee, and so I've reviewed a

481
00:19:36,541 --> 00:19:37,917
bunch of abstracts and things like that.

482
00:19:37,917 --> 00:19:39,067
I really like to take part.

483
00:19:39,241 --> 00:19:40,901
That's another thing to get noticed too.

484
00:19:40,901 --> 00:19:45,081
If you wanna get noticed, volunteer to
be part of a committee on a conference

485
00:19:45,081 --> 00:19:48,161
to help plan the conference ' cause
then people start to work with you

486
00:19:48,161 --> 00:19:50,791
and get to know you, and you get
to see… Like, I met somebody in

487
00:19:50,791 --> 00:19:52,407
California that I'd never met before.

488
00:19:52,547 --> 00:19:55,417
I met a couple people in Europe
that I've never met before,

489
00:19:55,417 --> 00:19:56,954
and all over the US and Canada.

490
00:19:57,067 --> 00:19:58,647
You just meet people all over the place.

491
00:19:58,647 --> 00:20:00,547
And then of course reconnect
with people you haven't seen in

492
00:20:00,547 --> 00:20:01,637
a while, and that's always fun.

493
00:20:01,667 --> 00:20:03,987
One of the things that I always look
forward to going to these marine

494
00:20:03,987 --> 00:20:08,337
conferences is to reconnect with the
progress of the Project Seagrass team.

495
00:20:08,544 --> 00:20:09,694
Love that team.

496
00:20:09,857 --> 00:20:10,637
They are amazing.

497
00:20:10,647 --> 00:20:11,447
They are so much fun.

498
00:20:11,457 --> 00:20:13,917
Look, I hope that they're able to
go to the conference this year.

499
00:20:13,957 --> 00:20:17,127
It's one of those things where you have
friends that you don't normally see every

500
00:20:17,127 --> 00:20:20,037
day because they live in a different
continent or they live across the world.

501
00:20:20,211 --> 00:20:22,401
And when you get to these
conferences, you get to reconnect,

502
00:20:22,401 --> 00:20:24,801
and it's so, so much fun.

503
00:20:24,811 --> 00:20:28,721
So I want to encourage you to go to
the conference that you feel most

504
00:20:28,721 --> 00:20:31,011
comfortable at, that fits what you do.

505
00:20:31,247 --> 00:20:33,477
If you're a student and you
get a professor to send you

506
00:20:33,477 --> 00:20:35,087
there, that's wonderful.

507
00:20:35,287 --> 00:20:39,898
If you are a mid-career and you can go and
you get paid to go there, that's amazing.

508
00:20:39,948 --> 00:20:43,848
I've always paid for myself to go to some
of these conferences, but that's just me.

509
00:20:44,397 --> 00:20:45,347
There's no expectation.

510
00:20:45,347 --> 00:20:48,311
I've had the privilege to be able to
do so, and so I've been able to go.

511
00:20:48,361 --> 00:20:51,424
, But I highly recommend going to a
conference, especially if they're local.

512
00:20:51,614 --> 00:20:54,464
Go to the conference even if they don't
fit your bill right down to the T.

513
00:20:54,697 --> 00:20:57,667
Go try and present, get that
experience as well if you can.

514
00:20:57,837 --> 00:20:59,427
And yeah, that's pretty much it.

515
00:20:59,457 --> 00:21:00,557
Like, I think it's a lot of fun.

516
00:21:00,557 --> 00:21:02,327
I'm getting very excited.

517
00:21:02,544 --> 00:21:05,064
I just found out last week that my
paper got accepted, or two weeks

518
00:21:05,064 --> 00:21:06,281
ago that my paper got accepted.

519
00:21:06,461 --> 00:21:09,481
I'm about to register, pay for the
hotel, and all that kinda stuff.

520
00:21:09,531 --> 00:21:13,651
It is going to be a blast,
a blast, and I can't wait.

521
00:21:13,701 --> 00:21:14,977
So, that's it for today's episode.

522
00:21:14,977 --> 00:21:17,807
I would love to hear what
conference you like to go to.

523
00:21:17,957 --> 00:21:22,387
So let me know in my DMs or, you
can contact me any which way.

524
00:21:22,387 --> 00:21:23,197
Just go to the show notes.

525
00:21:23,197 --> 00:21:23,807
You know what it is.

526
00:21:23,807 --> 00:21:24,617
Just go to the show notes.

527
00:21:24,707 --> 00:21:27,017
And of course, if you wanna support
me, that kinda helps me get to

528
00:21:27,017 --> 00:21:29,457
IMCC, you can go to Patreon,
become a, a patron on Patreon.

529
00:21:31,197 --> 00:21:34,291
Go to speakupforblue.com/patreon.

530
00:21:35,181 --> 00:21:38,757
That's speakupforblue.com/patreon.

531
00:21:38,884 --> 00:21:40,324
The link's also in the show notes.

532
00:21:40,374 --> 00:21:41,534
I wanna thank you for listening.

533
00:21:41,534 --> 00:21:44,764
I wanna thank you for all those who
go to conferences or try and go to

534
00:21:44,764 --> 00:21:49,301
conferences and encourage others, for
all those professors and labs that send

535
00:21:49,301 --> 00:21:52,421
their students to conferences and pay
them for the food and everything like

536
00:21:52,421 --> 00:21:55,814
that, 'cause that's important, and all
the people who make conferences fun and

537
00:21:55,814 --> 00:21:58,384
inclusive and supportive and just amazing.

538
00:21:58,517 --> 00:21:59,647
You are all amazing.

539
00:21:59,811 --> 00:22:01,711
I can't wait to see people at IMCC.

540
00:22:01,711 --> 00:22:02,461
It's a lot of fun.

541
00:22:02,481 --> 00:22:05,181
I did go to an H2O conference,
and I'm gonna be going to the Our

542
00:22:05,181 --> 00:22:08,351
Oceans conference next year in
Halifax, 'cause it's close by.

543
00:22:08,521 --> 00:22:09,991
And yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun.

544
00:22:10,001 --> 00:22:11,401
So, that's it for today's episode.

545
00:22:11,481 --> 00:22:13,771
Thank you so much for joining
me on today's episode of the How

546
00:22:13,771 --> 00:22:14,801
to Protect the Ocean podcast.

547
00:22:14,831 --> 00:22:15,791
I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.

548
00:22:15,884 --> 00:22:16,524
Have a great day.

549
00:22:16,524 --> 00:22:18,614
We'll talk to you next
time, and happy conservation.