US oil and gas drilling: How This Plan Could Put America’s Coasts at Risk for a Generation

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Oil spills are nightmares that
don't end when the headlines fade.

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They linger for decades in our
oceans, our wildlife, and the health

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of the people who respond to them.

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And right now, the US is facing
a new offshore drilling plan that

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could shape the future of the
coast for generations This moment.

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Joseph Gordon from Oceana says,
is a crossroads for the us.

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We either lock ourselves deeper
into fossil fuels, or we choose a

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safer, cleaner future for the oceans.

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We're gonna talk about all this
with Joseph on this episode of the

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How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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Let's start the show.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another
exciting episode of the.

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Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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I'm your host, and/or Lewin, Marine
biologist and science communicator

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here to tell you what's happening with
the ocean, how you can speak up for

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the ocean, and what you can do to live
for a better ocean by taking action.

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And today is all about taking action.

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We are gonna be talking about the new
offshore plan, drilling plan for the us.

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There are a number of leases that are
up for lease for companies all over

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the world in Alaska, in California.

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The northern part of the Gulf of
Mexico, as well as Florida, not the

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Atlantic, but just Florida area.

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We're gonna be talking about that.

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We're gonna be talking about what's
the reality of this happening?

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What's happened in the past during
the first Trump's presidential, I

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guess, life, I guess for the four
years, last time he was president.

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And we're gonna be talking about
how that could affect this time.

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His presidency now and his administration.

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It's a five year plan.

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They're gonna be talking
about drilling at some point.

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There are stages to go through,
but each stage could pose a problem

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for wildlife coastlines in each
state that these areas are posed.

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Not only just the.

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States, but around the world, how these
potential oil spills, which usually do

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happen, and how big they can be, and what
consequences that could be in the future,

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not just for oil spills directly, but
also the contribution of all these oil

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platforms and oil drilling would have to
climate change and our future generations

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of people who are trying to deal with
the consequences of climate change.

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One of the things that we like to do here
on the podcast is talk about the ocean.

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And being able to talk about
the oceans, we're able to talk

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about a lot of different things.

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We're able to talk about what the
consequences is of having a plan like

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this, of drilling oil and not going more
towards investing more towards renewals.

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We could talk about coral reefs
and the benefits of having them

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instead of not having them.

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And one of the things that I
would like to talk about and I

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would like to propose to launch a
podcast on is the Seagrass Meadows.

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The Seagrass Meadows around
the world provide such an

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important part to the coastline.

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Not only for biodiversity, not only
for protection as a nursery habitats,

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but also just carbon sequestration.

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Being able to battle climate change a
lot more of the up to four to 10 times

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more than forests are able to sequester
carbon, and it's gonna be really

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important in our future to have more.

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Healthy seagrasses and by donating
today to support our crowdfund campaign

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for the podcast, a Seagrass Effect to
Launch and work for the first year.

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You can not only help launch us
and have us talk about research,

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conservation and restoration of these
Seagrass Meadows around the world,

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but we can also introduce you to the
people who are involved, have them

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connect over this podcast as well as.

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Donate towards protecting a
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Seagrass meadow of our choice.

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And we'll give you updates
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So, so call the Seagrass Effect.

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If you go to speak up for
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to get access to behind the scenes
of what we're doing with seagrass.

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What we're doing with Seagrass
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restore them, all that kinda stuff.

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Plus you get to hear the podcast itself.

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So the faster we get this funded,
the faster I get to launch.

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I can't wait to do that.

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Speak up for blue.com/seagrass.

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Now let's get back to talking about
climate change and oil and gas and how

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that can affect this plan, how this can
affect the US for future generations.

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So I have Joseph Gordon from Ocean.

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He's a campaign director.

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On the podcast today to talk about
oil and energy as well as the oceans

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within the US confines, like within
the US borders, which is like 200

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nautical miles off of their shore.

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It's something that's really important.

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Joseph is here to talk about how
important it's for us as individuals

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to speak up, whether you're in the
country or outside the country, why it's

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important, how it's helped in the past,
and also like using every connection

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you have to help stop this plan.

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That's really what it comes down to.

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If you know people who are in powerful
positions, if you know tourist boards

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or if you're a surfer or you work with
surf rider like in a volunteer capacity

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or you're part of their crew, if you've
worked all over the place with Oceania

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helping them put public comments on
encouraging other people to speak

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up and speak out against this plan,
it's gonna be super, super important.

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So I want you guys to listen to
this interview very carefully

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'cause this demands action from you.

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This is gonna be a really important
aspect in stopping this plan and

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severely reducing the amount of
lease plots that have happened.

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It worked last time in Trump's first
presidential time, I guess, or range, but

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we need to make it work this time as well.

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'cause the attack against the ocean from
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can have a profound effect for generation.

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So with that said.

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Here's the interview with
Joseph Gordon from Oceana.

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Enjoy and I'll talk to you after.

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Hey Joseph, welcome to the How
to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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Are you ready to talk about
the new offshore drilling plan?

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Very ready.

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Alright.

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Looking forward to it.

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Yeah, me too.

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I'm looking forward to this has been
in the making for a while ever since.

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The plan was leaked, uh, and people have
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pieces, or there's rumors flying around.

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Uh, I've been wanting to have someone like
yourself out and it has been really great.

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'cause I've been having, I've had a really
great relationship with your comms team.

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We've had other people, your
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Uh, and it was just nice to be able
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In line with what would happen if this
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open comment period where people can
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on it and what they want to do.

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So what I want to do today is have
you want to give my audience the

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information to, uh, sort of, I guess, uh.

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Arm themselves with what they need to know
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how that works and what's more effective,
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plan and how that could affect the ocean
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So we're gonna talk all about that.

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Okay.

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But before we do, Joseph, why don't
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Why don't you just let us know
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Okay.

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Uh, so my name's Joseph Gordon.

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I am the campaign director for Oceana.

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Uh, my main focus is climate and energy.

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Uh, so, but from the perspective
of oceans and how to, uh, continue

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to have thriving healthy oceans and
energy for the future, I love it.

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I love it that this is a, this
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for, for this campaign, you know,
uh, it's a, it's a huge thing.

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Um, how did you get into
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Like where did it all begin?

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Um, I always loved the ocean.

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I was, uh, at some point dreamed
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but I think for me it was the
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Mm-hmm.

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And to see, uh, it was like a,
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everything was alive around you.

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Everything had its place and fit together.

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Fish swirling around and just
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something like that could exist.

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Mm-hmm.

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Capture my imagination.

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Um, I'm endlessly interested in
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And then as I got older, I worked
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but when I worked on oceans, I just,
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know that like right off New York
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and imagine like hundreds of lions
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It's just like this amazing
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Uh, And so I love the oceans
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protect them was core for me.

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And I worked on fisheries in
coastal habitat for decades.

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Um, but then when there was an opportunity
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to work on stopping the expansion
of offshore drilling, I took it.

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I love it.

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But that is, it's interesting how,
you know, you go from this, like the

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loving of fish, but then you're like,
okay, I gotta stop this from happening.

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Where did that education come from?

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Where did you, you know, kind of
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and oceans are not mixing well.

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Uh, and, and you need to
do something to stop it.

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So where did that, we know the
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that education come from And then
how did you end up, you know, wanting

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to be on like a campaign director?

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Yeah.

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Life takes you d on different
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you didn't expect for me.

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Probably my formative experience, and I'm
gonna date myself here, but my formative

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environmental experience was Exxon Valdez.

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Right?

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Right.

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For the next generation, it's probably
deep water horizon, but for me, seeing

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oil animals washing on shore, like seeing,
imagining like what Alaska was And then

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seeing so much destruction, um, I think
that was the first time I really realized

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that I wanted to be an environmentalist
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Uh, because, uh, you know, the
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as a career is pretty new.

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But to me, like that felt like my
passion and what I wanted to do.

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And so working on fisheries and habitat,
stopping over fishing or storing habitats

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and deep sea corals, you start to look at
what those habitats are and how mm-hmm.

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Fragile they are.

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Like to imagine something growing
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then what an oil spill could do.

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So I I, in one fell
swoop opportunity, right?

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Just in one fell swoop.

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In one fell swoop Yeah.

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It could be, it could be very damaging.

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You know, I was, I was a kid when, when
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We all watched it.

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We all saw the birds covered
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You know, the, the, it, it was, you know,
seeing the dead animals along the side.

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It was, it was awful.

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And even then, we didn't
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You know, even with, I, I always tell
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was probably one of the biggest, uh,
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because we really got to see.

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People go down and talk about what
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environmental perspective, also from,
you know, other fishers that were down

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there and tourists, uh, operations,
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how like completely little towns
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And, and I think that was the, the,
the thing that got me is just, we just

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don't understand not only the, the
environmental impact, but also the people.

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They also get affected.

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By this, this huge
disruption for years to come.

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It's not just that, you know, they put out
the dispersements And then it disappears

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And then you can start up again.

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It's, no, it's, it's, it's a, it's a, a,
you know, decatal kind of, uh, recovery.

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And, and I think that's what, you know,
we obviously, we all try to prevent.

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Um, And then now, you know, trying
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like, what's, what's happening?

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Um, how did you get started?

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How long have you, how long
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And how did you get started with that?

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Um, can I pause because you
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powerful in what you said.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Absolutely.

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Um, So this is a 15 year anniversary
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research has been done and there's a
parallel phenomenon that happened, the

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Um, So you have to imagine oil spill.

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It's like, um, imagine a cloud of
oil raining down from the sky and

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there's no way to get away, right?

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And you have to breathe the oil.

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Yeah, and the Marine mammals, like
dolphins will swim, but they have

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to come to the surface to breathe.

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So they were affected by the chemicals,
the dispersements and the oil.

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Yeah.

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Um, and have had over time
huge health impacts from that.

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Mm-hmm.

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But it's also true of the
first responders, the people

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who came to help clean up.

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They've done multi-thousand person
studies of the health effects, and they

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have had huge long-term health impacts.

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So an oil spill is a
nightmare at the time.

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And the visual images we saw, of
course, but now we know it's a

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nightmare for decades to come.

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Yeah, that's, and, and I, that's a
good, I'm glad you, you hit home on that

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point because, you know, we don't, we
don't see that afterwards we, we, we

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understand like, you know, BP had to pay
a bunch of money to that, to, to this

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fund where we could do more research.

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We, as in the scientific community,
especially within the Gulf

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States and, And so forth, but.

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We're still finding problems.

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You know, we still
haven't fully recovered.

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There's still, like you even mentioned,
like the, the, you know, Marine mammals

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and sharks and fish and invertebrates
all over the place in that area have

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actually, still have effects and spreads.

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It doesn't just stay in one spot.

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So, um, I'm glad you mentioned that point.

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Uh, but just going back
to my question, Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because I know we're gonna get into that,
uh, you know, and how it all filters in.

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But, uh, how did you get involved
with Oceania and, and, and

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becoming like a campaigner.

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Yeah, I had been working and
leading a teams working on, uh,

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fisheries in coastal habitat.

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Uh, so for a couple decades, um,
working on the reauthorization of the

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Federal Fisheries Law Implementation
and regions in the Mid-Atlantic.

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Worked on some of the biggest
protected areas in the Atlantic, uh,

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ecosystem based management for the
biggest forge fish in the Atlantic.

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And then, uh, we had a switch, a
transition, and um, I started doing some

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consulting with National Ship Protection
Coalition and, uh, Marine protected areas.

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And then this opportunity opened up
through, a friend said, would you be

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interested in doing climate and energy
being a campaign director at Oceana?

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Uh, yeah.

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And that's two, about
two years ago, right?

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To the day now.

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Nice.

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Uh, and, um, I, it was a big transition.

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I was excited about it.

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I thought at the time, what are
we, what am I even gonna do?

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There's so many people working on
climate and not at all, there's huge

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opportunity to make a difference.

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Um, and I would never have predicted
the rollercoaster year that we've had

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from Biden protecting 625 million acres
to now working to stop massive drilling

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plan in those same ac, you know, areas.

285
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Yeah.

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Um, and I think it's gonna be a story.

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Our hope is it's gonna be a hopeful
story of through administrations,

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through political change, the bipartisan
traditions hold strong, that people

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don't want new drilling off their coast.

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Yeah, I mean, I, I feel like that's
become pretty, not only from a national

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level, but an international level too.

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You know, nobody wants to see
that in their, in their backyard

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and, and 'cause we know what the
effects can be in, in the past.

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Um, plus with the, with the, the amount of
renewals that are coming up, new renewal,

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uh, energy, uh, plants and stuff like that
that are coming up, it, it really helps.

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So.

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Let, let's, let's get into it.

298
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Okay.

299
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Because something you, you mentioned,
uh, you know, just, just a year ago

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before, uh, Trump's administration
came in, you mentioned that there was

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a lot of protection along, along the
shoreline from, from oil and gas drilling

302
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and, and exploration And so forth.

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Can you talk a little bit about that?

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What we, what we had a year ago in
the US and what we saw in the, I'm

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in Canada, but what, what we saw
in, in the US and, and uh, and what

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that meant, And then how that's
changed under the new administration.

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Hmm.

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Um,

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I'll take the liberty of starting just
a bit earlier and get to Please do

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where, um, it was pretty remarkable.

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We were talking about earlier
how the Trump administration, the

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first Trump administration came in.

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Right to open up everything.

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Their original Prosple was
to open up every coast.

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Yeah, almost every coast
in the United States.

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And by the end, that didn't happen.

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And in fact, president Trump protected
for 10 years North Carolina to Florida,

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And then President Biden had strong
commitments to trying to, uh, stop the

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expansion of offshore drilling and in ear.

320
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It was actually earlier
this year on January 6th.

321
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Uh, president Biden protected 625 million
acres the entire East coast, west Coast.

322
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Mm-hmm.

323
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Uh, Florida's Gulf Coast
and areas off Alaska.

324
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And, uh, that was a,
a big historic moment.

325
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Yep.

326
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Uh, I remember that on his first day in
office, president Trump did an executive

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order attempting to reverse that, and
he's put forward a plan that in the

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initial stage, opened everything to
offshore drilling for consideration.

329
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But then the recent
plan that just came out.

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The Atlantic and Pacific Northwest
are taken out, And so we're now

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talking about areas off Florida.

332
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Right?

333
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California and Alaska are
on the table right now.

334
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Okay.

335
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So nothing else.

336
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Just Florida, California and Alaska
and the Western and Central Gulf.

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But those are an ex
coming through the Congre.

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Congress passed and the big.

339
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You know HR one, the big bill that they
passed at the beginning of the year.

340
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Okay.

341
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They included a massive expansion
in Cook Inlet in Alaska And then

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in the Western Central Gulf.

343
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Okay.

344
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So there is a phenomenal, like the
first lease sale's about to come up.

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Yeah.

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80 million acres is wow in,
and that's the first of 30.

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Yeah, in the Western and Central Gulf.

348
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And so, uh, area is off
Louisiana and Texas.

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Some of these areas are definitely facing
huge pressure for expanded drilling.

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Mm-hmm.

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So that's a part of this plan too.

352
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Um, yeah.

353
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But we're gonna try and stop what we can.

354
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Well, and, and it's interesting
too because like in certain parts

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off the coast of Louisiana, there's
called, like what we know is Oil

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City, which is just like a platform.

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Like a, basically a size of a, a
small city of just platforms and

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platforms and platforms and platforms
of drilling that's already ongoing.

359
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Uh, they want to get more in there.

360
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You're saying be, is it in that
area or is it more west of it?

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All of it.

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All of it.

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When you're talking 80 million acres.

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30 of 80 million.

365
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We're talking about every inch of the
Western and Central Gulf over time.

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Right, right.

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Auction And so that's auctions along
the continental shelf right there.

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Like that's not past it all the way out.

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All the way out.

370
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Okay.

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Wow.

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And now there was a, a thing that
they were talking about, and I don't

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know if this is, this is true or not,
there's a way that they can go like

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out further than the Continental Shelf.

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I know they have an agreement with Mexico,
but there's a way they can go further.

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I know that was with Deep Sea
Mine they were talking about, but

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I don't know if it's still the
same with the, like for drilling.

378
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Can they drill beyond this?

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The, the, uh, the, the Continental shelf?

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The only place where that's under
consideration in this plan is there's

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a new area called the hi arctic.

382
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Right.

383
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That there's some consideration
That's part of the plan.

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Okay.

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And you just have to imagine

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in the D like cold, like
slow, evolving species.

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The fragile environments,
the, Yeah, the ice.

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All the ways that there could be
a horrific oil spill far from land

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where it would be hard to get to,
hard to stop cause irreparable damage.

390
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And there's other pieces too.

391
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There's shipping, there's
military uses in those areas.

392
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Mm-hmm.

393
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Uh, so those not just devoid of people.

394
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There are many uses out there.

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And structure and oil spills
could cause huge harm.

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So we're we definitely.

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We would oppose the expansion of
drilling in those deeper areas too.

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I think the Hi Arctic is the
one area be, you know, that

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sort of extends beyond Right.

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Typical US waters.

401
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Okay.

402
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One thing that was surprising to me was
seeing that they were, uh, like they were,

403
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they were, they were trying to go against,
like, try and drill along Florida.

404
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Now that's interesting to me.

405
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That's a Republican state.

406
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Last time he, uh, Trump was president,
he tried to do the same thing.

407
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Uh, but then Florida
got taken off as well.

408
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As you mentioned before, we recorded
up, up the, uh, Carolina coast.

409
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Do you think that that is a
place that that's gonna continue?

410
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And I guess, I guess the
question is not just in Florida,

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but all these other places.

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This is the plan to explore,
not necessarily drill Um, So

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it's just the plan itself.

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There's still a lot to go on before
any, like, any drilling can happen.

415
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Um, but I guess first start off, do you
think Florida's gonna stay on the plan for

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long given that it's a Republican state?

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And the last time, you know, Republicans
didn't want it, that I think it was the

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governor said, no, let's take it off.

419
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And he did take it off.

420
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Do you think that's a chance that
they might take it off as well?

421
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Again, we, we were so, uh.

422
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Please.

423
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Like it was so amazing last week
to see the continued bipartisan,

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overwhelming opposition.

425
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There was a letter from every single
member of Congress, from Florida,

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every Republican, democrat, every
senator, every representative.

427
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The governor wrote a statement and the
military base eglin that covers nearly

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all of the Eastern Gulf of Mexico.

429
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It's the national testing and
training range for military.

430
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Yeah.

431
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Uh, which does not want
structure or flammable materials

432
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or oil spills happening.

433
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All of those in, you know, strong
statements right out of the gates

434
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after this plan was introduced.

435
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So we certainly hope that the
president, like last time will

436
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hear those voices and pull it out.

437
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Mm-hmm.

438
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Mm-hmm.

439
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And withdraw Florida.

440
00:21:36,014 --> 00:21:39,675
Uh, there, there is
such strong opposition.

441
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That's, and those are the
elected officials, but also

442
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the people, the public.

443
00:21:43,455 --> 00:21:43,514
Yeah.

444
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Uh, and fishing.

445
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They don't to on the coastline.

446
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Yeah.

447
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And they all, and they all
lived through, almost all lived

448
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through deep water horizon.

449
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Yes.

450
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So they remember.

451
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Yeah.

452
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So when something gets proposed like,
well, there'll be a hundred mile buffer.

453
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Buffers don't matter when
there's an oil spill.

454
00:21:59,504 --> 00:22:00,975
No, there's no boundary.

455
00:22:01,379 --> 00:22:02,820
There's, there's no physical boundary.

456
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There's a, a pretend boundary,
but there's no physical boundary.

457
00:22:05,940 --> 00:22:08,430
No, I I think it's a, do you
think it's a negotiation tactic?

458
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Almost like, let's put up as much
as possible like last time And

459
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then we'll kind of curtail it to
what they really, really want.

460
00:22:17,460 --> 00:22:21,535
Uh, I can't speak for
industry right there.

461
00:22:21,690 --> 00:22:24,660
There is definitely, if you look at
the comments, there has been consistent

462
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industry interest from industry.

463
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And drilling there, they, they
want the oil that's there.

464
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Yeah.

465
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And so I imagine they were
testing the waters politically.

466
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You know, there was an interest in
seeing if this might be a moment.

467
00:22:37,290 --> 00:22:39,570
Uh, and I think the answer is no.

468
00:22:40,110 --> 00:22:40,290
Right?

469
00:22:40,290 --> 00:22:41,010
Absolutely not.

470
00:22:41,550 --> 00:22:41,850
Yeah.

471
00:22:42,030 --> 00:22:42,750
No, absolutely.

472
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,470
Absolutely.

473
00:22:44,010 --> 00:22:49,020
Um, you know, one of the things when
you, when we look at these proposed, so

474
00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:50,850
I'm looking at the stats here, it says.

475
00:22:51,810 --> 00:22:55,680
We are looking at lease sales,
34 lease sales in federal waters.

476
00:22:55,710 --> 00:23:00,390
Looking at 21 off Alaska, six off,
uh, the Pacific, like California,

477
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,970
and seven off the Gulf of Mexico.

478
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,450
Uh, there might be some in
Florida as well as you mentioned.

479
00:23:08,550 --> 00:23:12,990
What are the biggest, um,
environmental or ecological risks

480
00:23:13,020 --> 00:23:16,649
that we see associated with these
opening, like these open waters?

481
00:23:16,649 --> 00:23:20,010
I know we, we kind of mentioned it earlier
just in terms there's no boundaries

482
00:23:20,010 --> 00:23:23,670
And so if a spill happens, a spill
happens, it goes into all these areas,

483
00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:25,889
but like especially sensitive areas.

484
00:23:26,170 --> 00:23:29,170
You know, like Pacific and
Antarctic waters off Alaska.

485
00:23:29,170 --> 00:23:34,840
Like what are those environmental risks
and ecological risks that we might see

486
00:23:35,170 --> 00:23:40,600
during any stage of, of the process from
surveying and exploration to drilling?

487
00:23:41,620 --> 00:23:41,890
Hmm.

488
00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:44,770
That's a very big question.

489
00:23:45,610 --> 00:23:48,580
Uh, maybe the major ones like
something, and, but it is, but

490
00:23:48,580 --> 00:23:52,600
it's the profound question and the
starting point is what is this plan?

491
00:23:53,170 --> 00:23:55,150
This plan is about leasing.

492
00:23:55,650 --> 00:24:01,170
So it's about auctioning off our
coast, our public coasts for drilling.

493
00:24:01,170 --> 00:24:01,260
Right?

494
00:24:02,010 --> 00:24:02,340
Right.

495
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,900
And so it's not about this year,
it's not about gas prices, this

496
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:09,690
is about generations ahead.

497
00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:11,310
What do we want the world to be?

498
00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:11,400
Mm-hmm.

499
00:24:11,850 --> 00:24:14,340
And this country and this
world are at a crossroads.

500
00:24:14,790 --> 00:24:18,180
Do we wanna lock ourselves into
decades more of fossil fuels?

501
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,845
Do we want to drill
further, deeper, more risky?

502
00:24:22,695 --> 00:24:26,264
Every inch, or do we wanna make the
transition to clean renewable energy?

503
00:24:27,135 --> 00:24:30,945
This is, this plan is sort of
at that crux of the decision.

504
00:24:31,034 --> 00:24:31,125
Mm-hmm.

505
00:24:31,364 --> 00:24:33,570
Because if we decide that
we're gonna drill Florida.

506
00:24:34,635 --> 00:24:39,225
And then think about the long-term
economic impacts of an oil

507
00:24:39,225 --> 00:24:42,045
spill in Florida in the summer
or California in the summer.

508
00:24:42,645 --> 00:24:43,725
Is that the future we want?

509
00:24:43,725 --> 00:24:44,805
No, absolutely not.

510
00:24:45,675 --> 00:24:48,075
So in terms of what are the effects?

511
00:24:48,075 --> 00:24:50,865
So the So, so the reason I raise
the, like what the leasing is

512
00:24:50,865 --> 00:24:54,255
about is because there's stages,
then they have to put out leases.

513
00:24:54,255 --> 00:24:55,515
Someone has to buy the leases.

514
00:24:55,515 --> 00:24:57,045
The world is flooded with oil right now.

515
00:24:57,435 --> 00:24:57,555
Mm-hmm.

516
00:24:57,795 --> 00:24:59,930
At one point there was a belief
that we were gonna run out.

517
00:25:01,035 --> 00:25:06,615
They're finding deep water oil in
Guyana, north Sea, south China Sea,

518
00:25:06,645 --> 00:25:09,435
Nigeria, uh, all around the world.

519
00:25:09,435 --> 00:25:14,325
They're finding massive, like deep
water, more risky or near shore

520
00:25:14,325 --> 00:25:16,125
deposits in places there weren't before.

521
00:25:16,125 --> 00:25:18,585
So we really have to make a
decision that we wanna move on.

522
00:25:19,005 --> 00:25:23,355
We have to make a decision to stop
expanding offshore drilling and change.

523
00:25:23,685 --> 00:25:28,335
So if we continue on the path
we're on, uh, there's really,

524
00:25:28,665 --> 00:25:29,780
I mean, history is so clear.

525
00:25:30,495 --> 00:25:30,945
Everywhere.

526
00:25:30,945 --> 00:25:33,585
There's a massive expansion
of offshore drilling.

527
00:25:33,585 --> 00:25:36,014
There are ca catastrophic
oil spills, Yeah.

528
00:25:36,435 --> 00:25:36,645
Yeah.

529
00:25:36,735 --> 00:25:37,725
That's what's gonna happen.

530
00:25:38,295 --> 00:25:41,504
And it's bound to, there's
probably, it's bound to happen.

531
00:25:41,655 --> 00:25:43,605
And there are small ones
by the way, in between.

532
00:25:43,995 --> 00:25:44,295
Yeah.

533
00:25:44,355 --> 00:25:49,095
So we're, it's one of the most
destructive things you could

534
00:25:49,095 --> 00:25:50,690
possibly do to the environment.

535
00:25:51,885 --> 00:25:53,564
We don't experience it on land.

536
00:25:53,564 --> 00:25:57,645
So it's really hard to imagine that cloud
of oil coming down, trying to breathe oil.

537
00:25:57,645 --> 00:25:58,935
There's nowhere to get away.

538
00:25:59,264 --> 00:26:00,735
Everything is killed.

539
00:26:01,334 --> 00:26:08,294
Um, and that's, uh, and that's, you
know, out in the ocean Um, So, but

540
00:26:08,294 --> 00:26:09,945
then of course it comes onto shores.

541
00:26:09,945 --> 00:26:13,304
It affects whether it's, you know, they're
still finding it in the salt marshes

542
00:26:14,054 --> 00:26:18,014
of the Gulf from Deepwater Horizon,
still washing, I mean, just where the,

543
00:26:18,014 --> 00:26:19,389
the legacy And then the chemicals.

544
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:20,030
Mm-hmm.

545
00:26:21,135 --> 00:26:26,865
Uh, this is a chance and we hope the
Trump administration ultimately will

546
00:26:26,865 --> 00:26:31,155
take, you know, all these areas off
California, the Alaska areas, Florida.

547
00:26:32,145 --> 00:26:39,015
Um, there's a chance for a different
path for, uh, the US to lead

548
00:26:39,015 --> 00:26:42,225
on energy and lead sustainably.

549
00:26:42,270 --> 00:26:42,360
Right.

550
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:47,100
And we hope that that's the direction
it'll go because, uh, sorry.

551
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:47,280
Yeah.

552
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,950
Just to, so when you were saying
like every stage of the game, so

553
00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:50,910
I want to answer that question.

554
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:51,420
Yeah.

555
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,010
When they're serving, they're using
seismic blasting and we really have no

556
00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:57,870
conception of what that's like on land.

557
00:26:57,870 --> 00:26:59,490
It's one of the loudest
sounds in the ocean, right?

558
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,150
Over and over and over and over
again for weeks or months on an end.

559
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,770
Um, we don't really even fully
understand the impacts on Marine life No.

560
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,000
Of doing that kind of testing and it's,
uh, and that, so that's, so we were really

561
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,230
heartened to see the Atlantic taken out
because they were talking about testing

562
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:17,820
and seismic blasting along the Atlantic.

563
00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:18,690
So that's not gonna happen.

564
00:27:19,650 --> 00:27:24,780
Um, So there's that, there's sort of
like, because they're making huge sounds

565
00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:28,650
'cause they want to figure out hundreds,
like, like deep, deep under the earth

566
00:27:28,650 --> 00:27:32,190
what's there and have it echo back Um, So.

567
00:27:32,834 --> 00:27:35,760
It, it, you know, it's just so that
there's that part of the process.

568
00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:39,330
Then there's the part of the process where
they might putting the infrastructure

569
00:27:39,330 --> 00:27:42,360
in where they're drilling, they're
bringing it out, there are oil spills,

570
00:27:42,989 --> 00:27:48,510
And then even when it makes it all
the way through the whole process,

571
00:27:49,439 --> 00:27:50,969
it's putting carbon in the atmosphere.

572
00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:56,729
It's fueling the climate crisis,
it's fueling the, um, sea level rise.

573
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,530
The air pollution, the water
pollution, all of that.

574
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:04,950
It's just, it's such a destructive
way to get energy and there

575
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:05,700
are better ways out there.

576
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,380
I think you're right.

577
00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:12,450
You know, there's the, the, the,
the chemical aspect of it, the oil

578
00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:15,690
actually spilling, And then the
dispersions on top of that to get, you

579
00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:17,790
know, rid of it, uh, quote unquote.

580
00:28:18,090 --> 00:28:21,450
But I find.

581
00:28:22,670 --> 00:28:26,475
The, like you mentioned, the, the
consequences from a climate change

582
00:28:26,475 --> 00:28:32,805
perspective, the sea level rise, the um,
the, the storm surges, the, the warming

583
00:28:32,805 --> 00:28:37,575
of the, of the atmosphere, the warming of
the waters, you know, ocean acidification.

584
00:28:37,905 --> 00:28:40,755
There's all these things that come
along with, with climate change that

585
00:28:40,755 --> 00:28:47,145
we will see in future generations,
and that this is just adding to the

586
00:28:47,145 --> 00:28:49,485
problem that we've already had and.

587
00:28:50,550 --> 00:28:55,800
It's, it's like just making this
decision to open all these leases up

588
00:28:56,670 --> 00:28:58,740
puts us at risk for years to come.

589
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,840
You know, not just now, but like years to
come, even though this might take years

590
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,480
to actually go from leasing to drilling.

591
00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:10,590
I mean, we don't even know if these leases
are gonna be, you know, fully reinstated.

592
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,170
This is, this is bad on
a longevity perspective.

593
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,350
So let me ask you this.

594
00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:19,830
Um.

595
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:24,930
Because, because you know, a lot
of people within the environmental

596
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:29,970
field these days, over the last
year have been really involved in

597
00:29:29,970 --> 00:29:35,040
advocacy and, and you know, looking
at policy and responding accordingly.

598
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,030
And, and, and of course Oceana
is one of the leads in, in a lot

599
00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:40,560
of these, a lot of these places.

600
00:29:40,949 --> 00:29:42,300
Um, in a lot of these situations.

601
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:47,070
So from, from this plan, I know you've
only had it for maybe what a week,

602
00:29:47,159 --> 00:29:50,490
uh, you know, the full plan, uh, I
know it was leaked before, but having

603
00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:57,240
the actual full plan, what's Oceana's
position moving forward on this plan?

604
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,100
Like, what does Oceana want its
constituents to, to get to know?

605
00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:04,830
My audience members get to
know, which are probably both.

606
00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:09,570
Um, but what do, what does
Oceania want us to do?

607
00:30:10,260 --> 00:30:14,310
About this plan to, to one, like
just stop it off the bat, you know,

608
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:18,150
reduce the amount of leases, if not
all, you know, protect that ocean.

609
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:19,080
What do we do?

610
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:26,220
Yeah, so there's, this is, uh, an issue
that, that affects people in so many ways.

611
00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:28,500
So you have different connections to it.

612
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:34,320
Uh, I know that there are le letters by
scientists, letters by religious leaders.

613
00:30:34,905 --> 00:30:38,865
Religious, uh, letters by,
you know, people who represent

614
00:30:38,865 --> 00:30:40,665
chambers of commerce or businesses.

615
00:30:41,205 --> 00:30:44,205
There's so many different ways that
we connect to the ocean and ways.

616
00:30:44,235 --> 00:30:48,525
If you think backwards from what a oil
spill would mean, all the people ways that

617
00:30:48,525 --> 00:30:52,065
you, you know, you can speak up because
it would hurt your community, right?

618
00:30:52,635 --> 00:30:54,225
Something you care about are the planet.

619
00:30:54,764 --> 00:30:58,695
So from our perspective, we just want
as many people to speak up as possible.

620
00:30:59,145 --> 00:31:02,895
It is a time where a lot
of people feel overwhelmed.

621
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:11,250
There's a lot of fear, um, but we
certainly on this issue, it is bipartisan

622
00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:16,800
and remains bipartisan, and it is an
issue where we do think with a strong

623
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,290
push from all the right people, all the
public, all the leaders, that, that we

624
00:31:22,290 --> 00:31:24,540
can get these areas taken out, right?

625
00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:28,050
We can protect Florida's coast,
we can protect California's coast.

626
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:30,990
We can protect a vast area of
Alaska, and we'll do what we can

627
00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:32,010
in the Western essential Gulf.

628
00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:32,100
Right.

629
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,780
So we, you know, we're, our hope is that
people speak up, bring your expertise,

630
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:39,840
bring your perspectives, and why you care.

631
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,750
There's a public comment period
that's open now through January 23rd.

632
00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:43,620
There's a portal.

633
00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:48,150
You just write your comments
there or send a letter that way.

634
00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:48,690
Mm-hmm.

635
00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:54,540
But, um, and if there's just such
a strong public push from so many

636
00:31:54,540 --> 00:32:00,180
different perspectives, um, and it's
such a bad idea to start with, right?

637
00:32:00,270 --> 00:32:01,470
We hope we can prevail.

638
00:32:02,395 --> 00:32:03,990
So I'm gonna put my, and that's
what we're working to do.

639
00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:05,280
Absolutely.

640
00:32:05,370 --> 00:32:06,540
I apologize to interrupt.

641
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,170
You're okay.

642
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,910
I'm gonna put my negative hat on right
now because, you know, we look at who's

643
00:32:11,910 --> 00:32:17,310
in charge of the US and, you know,
it's a, it's a stubborn administration.

644
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:20,910
They came in knowing
what they wanted to do.

645
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:24,254
They're very fossil fuel
fueled, no pun intended.

646
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,830
But they're very much for
in favor of fossil fuels.

647
00:32:29,129 --> 00:32:31,889
They wanna bring back coal, they
wanna do this, they wanna do that.

648
00:32:32,790 --> 00:32:37,830
There are a lot of people who are
obviously concerned, but almost apathetic

649
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:41,939
because like, how can we have a change?

650
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,280
Now, last time he, uh, Trump was
president, his first presidency, there was

651
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,879
a Prosple to open up the entire coast and.

652
00:32:52,050 --> 00:32:55,050
You know, Oceania did, did the
same, did a very similar thing.

653
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:56,670
Let's all speak up.

654
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:58,290
Let's get public comment, period out.

655
00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:02,370
There were people who were negative
at first in terms of like, if I

656
00:33:02,370 --> 00:33:03,990
speak up, will my voice be heard?

657
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:05,220
Like, will that happen?

658
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:06,720
What happened?

659
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,790
Then that kind of would help people.

660
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:15,210
Today to speak up because like a lot
of people aren't hopeful about anything

661
00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:19,290
that comes out and it's a big ass to
get people to put their name to it.

662
00:33:19,650 --> 00:33:22,470
Has it worked in the
past and can it work now?

663
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:30,090
You can't just be hopeful
when things are easy.

664
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:32,250
This is a hard time, right?

665
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,560
And there are really re reasons
to be worried about the future.

666
00:33:37,979 --> 00:33:39,479
So there's no question about that.

667
00:33:39,899 --> 00:33:43,290
And when you're talking about
climate or fossil fuels, you're

668
00:33:43,290 --> 00:33:45,360
talking about really big decisions.

669
00:33:45,389 --> 00:33:45,629
Mm-hmm.

670
00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:47,639
With a lot of powerful interests.

671
00:33:49,379 --> 00:33:54,870
But I think Florida last week with the
entire delegation, every Republican,

672
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:58,229
every Democrat, every senator, every
member, the governor, and the military

673
00:33:58,229 --> 00:34:03,024
base, all speaking up, I think it shows
that people still love their coast.

674
00:34:04,410 --> 00:34:04,620
Right.

675
00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:08,700
People still care about their
coast and if we can work together,

676
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:12,900
we can protect our coasts as much
as possible around the country.

677
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,670
And, uh, while those powerful
interests are certainly a force

678
00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:18,900
to be reckoned with, mm-hmm.

679
00:34:19,139 --> 00:34:24,060
The power of communities speaking
up and using their strength and

680
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:26,820
their, you know, perspectives.

681
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:29,790
And again, this can be religious
leaders, business leaders.

682
00:34:30,165 --> 00:34:35,205
Right there, you know, and,
and, and because this is by,

683
00:34:36,375 --> 00:34:37,815
no one wants an oil spill.

684
00:34:38,085 --> 00:34:41,895
It is a, you are able to work across
the aisle on this issue, and that gives

685
00:34:41,895 --> 00:34:44,115
you a lot of hope that you can succeed.

686
00:34:44,985 --> 00:34:45,105
Yeah.

687
00:34:45,105 --> 00:34:46,725
Even in a difficult political environment.

688
00:34:47,415 --> 00:34:47,715
Yeah.

689
00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:51,615
Well, and even last time he was
president, people spoke up and those

690
00:34:51,615 --> 00:34:53,115
leases didn't go through, did they?

691
00:34:54,375 --> 00:34:55,425
Ultimately?

692
00:34:55,755 --> 00:34:56,025
Yeah.

693
00:34:56,025 --> 00:34:58,365
No, they were, they did
not finalize the plan.

694
00:34:58,575 --> 00:34:58,634
Yeah.

695
00:34:59,444 --> 00:35:04,004
And he ended up protecting North
Carolina to Florida for 10 years.

696
00:35:04,064 --> 00:35:06,015
Um, you know, Florida's
back on the table, so.

697
00:35:06,015 --> 00:35:06,404
Right, right.

698
00:35:06,404 --> 00:35:09,435
It's a, it's, it's not a,
uh, the work's not done.

699
00:35:10,035 --> 00:35:10,214
Yeah.

700
00:35:10,214 --> 00:35:13,274
But it also should give people
hope that it can be achieved.

701
00:35:13,845 --> 00:35:17,294
Um, And then on this
issue, he can, he can move.

702
00:35:17,294 --> 00:35:20,685
In fact, though, the Atlantic came
out of the first draft of the plan.

703
00:35:21,524 --> 00:35:21,734
Right.

704
00:35:21,740 --> 00:35:24,585
And that's a big area and that's
a big accomplishment for the many,

705
00:35:24,585 --> 00:35:27,375
many people in the Atlantic who
spoke up at the first stage of this.

706
00:35:28,694 --> 00:35:33,314
So how was the Atlantic different
than something like the Pacific Coast

707
00:35:33,314 --> 00:35:36,825
in terms of, you know, why did the
Pacific stay on and the Atlantic didn't?

708
00:35:36,825 --> 00:35:41,564
What did the, what did, like
who spoke up in the Atlantic

709
00:35:41,564 --> 00:35:43,125
that really made a difference?

710
00:35:43,125 --> 00:35:45,854
Was there a specific, was
it a number of people?

711
00:35:45,854 --> 00:35:49,634
Was it the types of people, like
in terms of where they are within

712
00:35:49,634 --> 00:35:53,685
sort of that upper middle class,
you know, rich, lower middle class.

713
00:35:55,215 --> 00:35:58,845
Is it, is it a, is there a way to be
like whatever they did in Atlantic, could

714
00:35:58,845 --> 00:36:02,145
it work in the Pacific or elsewhere?

715
00:36:03,405 --> 00:36:04,365
It would be wonderful.

716
00:36:04,365 --> 00:36:06,195
It would make our jobs
easier if we really knew.

717
00:36:06,975 --> 00:36:07,275
Yeah.

718
00:36:07,365 --> 00:36:10,455
Uh, exactly what worked or didn't.

719
00:36:10,545 --> 00:36:13,155
You know, you bring all of it,
you try and bring all of it.

720
00:36:13,515 --> 00:36:17,175
I think it was important
that at the first stage.

721
00:36:17,535 --> 00:36:20,295
Not only Democrats, but
also Republicans spoke up.

722
00:36:20,325 --> 00:36:20,415
Mm-hmm.

723
00:36:20,654 --> 00:36:22,305
Either publicly or behind the scenes.

724
00:36:22,305 --> 00:36:26,504
I think it was important that
businesses and all the people who had

725
00:36:26,504 --> 00:36:30,855
spoken up before showed up even in
a crazy chaotic time, gave comments.

726
00:36:31,335 --> 00:36:35,025
Um, you know, we, we list all the
comments@stopthedrill.org, you could

727
00:36:35,025 --> 00:36:37,035
see like state by state who spoke up.

728
00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:37,185
Yeah.

729
00:36:37,365 --> 00:36:38,384
And it was really impressive.

730
00:36:38,955 --> 00:36:44,565
Um, and, uh, so I think that
was all true and it was, and

731
00:36:44,565 --> 00:36:46,125
something was powerful enough.

732
00:36:46,725 --> 00:36:49,515
To take the Atlantic off the
table, or maybe many things.

733
00:36:49,575 --> 00:36:54,315
We didn't get a, um, we didn't
get an analysis told us.

734
00:36:54,945 --> 00:36:55,305
Right.

735
00:36:55,305 --> 00:36:59,685
Um, but, but I think it's, it, it's
should give people a reason to hope

736
00:37:00,165 --> 00:37:02,145
that we can do the same in other areas.

737
00:37:02,625 --> 00:37:03,525
Right, right.

738
00:37:04,904 --> 00:37:08,295
Can we shift a little
bit in terms of Sure.

739
00:37:08,295 --> 00:37:12,285
We know the global global trends are
moving more towards renewable energy.

740
00:37:13,154 --> 00:37:15,435
Uh, so is there.

741
00:37:16,529 --> 00:37:21,270
Is there, is there evidence that's that,
like the expanded offshore drilling is

742
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:27,029
actually necessary or wise for, for US
energy over the next 10 or 20 years?

743
00:37:27,029 --> 00:37:31,680
Like wouldn't it be I knew, I know there
was, there were a number of offshore

744
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,799
renewable energy plans that were
happening, especially in the Atlantic.

745
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:39,720
Those got stalled or stopped
altogether when Trump came in.

746
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:42,359
I don't know if they've actually
been stopped, but that was sort of

747
00:37:42,359 --> 00:37:43,830
the word that that was happening.

748
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:45,570
Is it, is it wise?

749
00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:48,690
Is it like based on the global
trend, is it wise for, for the US

750
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:52,529
to stop pushing renewable energies
and going back to fossil fuels?

751
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,300
Absolutely not.

752
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:54,720
No.

753
00:37:54,720 --> 00:38:00,300
The, we're not at a time where
there's some big mystery about

754
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,759
how we solve this problem, right?

755
00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:05,850
We definitely need to figure
out how to do renewables better.

756
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:06,600
Right.

757
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,319
You have to be, you know, whether it's
offshore wind or solar and to, you

758
00:38:10,319 --> 00:38:15,509
know, how to do it more sustainably,
but we already know the solution and we

759
00:38:15,509 --> 00:38:17,940
already know the cost of not doing it.

760
00:38:18,359 --> 00:38:22,770
So I think it's the moral imperative
of our time to make that switch and

761
00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:26,580
to, to do, you know, in this case,
when we're talking about offshore

762
00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:29,520
leasing, like to make the right choice
for future generations to say we're

763
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,915
committed, that we're not gonna just
drill and spill your coastlines, right.

764
00:38:35,715 --> 00:38:39,225
Um, but we're gonna swiftly move to the
energy that's gonna dominate the future.

765
00:38:40,275 --> 00:38:44,265
Are, are, do you know if people
speak up more for renewable energy

766
00:38:44,265 --> 00:38:47,985
off their coastlines rather than,
than, uh, fossil fuel energy?

767
00:38:50,715 --> 00:38:53,685
I don't, I, I would have to look
at polling that I, that I haven't

768
00:38:53,715 --> 00:38:54,720
and, and this of course changes.

769
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:55,200
That's fine.

770
00:38:55,390 --> 00:38:55,880
Yeah, of course.

771
00:38:55,885 --> 00:38:58,785
But I think as a general
rule, renewables are popular.

772
00:38:59,455 --> 00:38:59,745
Yeah.

773
00:38:59,865 --> 00:39:03,314
And as a general rule, people
care about their coastline, so

774
00:39:03,314 --> 00:39:05,564
if there's a sense that something
might be destructive, they're gonna

775
00:39:05,564 --> 00:39:06,765
be wary about it and that's okay.

776
00:39:06,765 --> 00:39:06,855
Yeah.

777
00:39:06,855 --> 00:39:08,714
That's kind of where we are at the moment.

778
00:39:09,944 --> 00:39:11,055
Gotcha, gotcha.

779
00:39:12,105 --> 00:39:17,415
In this plan, do they require
partnerships from states that

780
00:39:17,415 --> 00:39:20,895
are involved in this plan, like
California, Florida, the Gulf States?

781
00:39:20,895 --> 00:39:22,970
Is it, is it, 'cause I
know a lot of the times.

782
00:39:23,955 --> 00:39:27,615
W when we, we were looking at
Canada, we just, they just approved

783
00:39:27,645 --> 00:39:29,565
an expansion of a, of a pipeline.

784
00:39:29,985 --> 00:39:34,125
And the provinces are kind of battling
right now in terms of what happens, but

785
00:39:34,125 --> 00:39:38,295
there's a federal thing And then there's
a memorandum of understanding and we're

786
00:39:38,295 --> 00:39:42,285
trying to figure out like the legalities
of all of it and whether if one province

787
00:39:42,285 --> 00:39:47,384
doesn't want it, that they want to go
through, then it'll be difficult to get to

788
00:39:47,384 --> 00:39:49,904
get the buy-in, including indigenous, uh.

789
00:39:50,715 --> 00:39:53,655
You know, feedback and, and
where they want it as well.

790
00:39:54,615 --> 00:40:00,255
Is there a, a role that in, in the
legislation that states play within,

791
00:40:00,285 --> 00:40:06,675
within this sort of offshore plan, and is
it possible for them to stall or stop any

792
00:40:06,675 --> 00:40:08,835
Prosple of any leases off their coastline?

793
00:40:09,855 --> 00:40:12,795
Uh, the, the way this plays out in
the ocean is that the near shore

794
00:40:12,795 --> 00:40:14,715
waters usually out to three miles.

795
00:40:14,715 --> 00:40:15,884
It's a little different off Florida.

796
00:40:16,365 --> 00:40:21,795
Um, uh, usually up to about three miles
is state waters, uh, state of Florida

797
00:40:21,795 --> 00:40:25,815
and state of California, and many other
states have prohibited offshore drilling

798
00:40:26,865 --> 00:40:28,785
from happening within their state waters.

799
00:40:29,235 --> 00:40:29,415
Gotcha.

800
00:40:29,445 --> 00:40:31,905
And then some states, and
California is one of them.

801
00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:36,629
Pass the law to prevent the
use of infrastructure to expand

802
00:40:36,629 --> 00:40:39,450
drilling in federal waters
from coming onto their shores.

803
00:40:40,109 --> 00:40:43,080
So they really attempted to do
exactly what you're describing,

804
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,890
to be able to block the, the, any
expansion of offshore drilling off

805
00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:48,750
California and that remains in place.

806
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,129
Um mm-hmm.

807
00:40:50,370 --> 00:40:53,250
So states simply do have a say
on what's brought into their

808
00:40:53,250 --> 00:40:55,890
shores, uh, and should, uh, right.

809
00:40:55,919 --> 00:40:57,120
'cause it has great effect.

810
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,689
And an oil spill off their coast,
uh, is very much a state issue.

811
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,730
For sure, for sure.

812
00:41:03,630 --> 00:41:08,760
And you mentioned earlier that, you
know, oil's in pl, like there's plenty

813
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,980
of oil to go around these days, right?

814
00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:15,750
Like there's, in terms of availability,
um, they've kind of opened up the

815
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:17,880
tap, not just the US but worldwide.

816
00:41:18,030 --> 00:41:20,100
You know, it's, it's,
it's, it's cheaper now.

817
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,340
It, does it make sense from a price point
to like, you know, go drilling in, in a

818
00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:30,390
place like Alaska, which is very difficult
to drill and very difficult to work.

819
00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:34,470
Will that be prohibitive to some companies
in terms of like, they may not lease

820
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:39,450
because I remember the Northern Slope
was a big contested issue for decades in

821
00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:41,070
including like, you know, organizations.

822
00:41:41,070 --> 00:41:44,280
I believe you guys partnered up
with a lot of organizations to take

823
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,460
the government to, uh, to court
because they didn't follow the

824
00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:49,020
environmental, uh, assessment plans.

825
00:41:49,020 --> 00:41:50,490
Like this is way back when.

826
00:41:50,850 --> 00:41:53,490
Um, And then eventually Michelle just
kind of like, we're leaving 'cause

827
00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:57,750
it's not worth, you know, the money
that we're spending to drill if we,

828
00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:00,150
you know, 'cause, because of the
way that that oil was going down.

829
00:42:00,735 --> 00:42:04,665
Has that sentiment changed for companies
or is it like, 'cause like they could open

830
00:42:04,665 --> 00:42:08,805
up leases, but if nobody buys them because
it's too difficult or too expensive to, to

831
00:42:08,805 --> 00:42:11,955
drill, then it, it, it doesn't make sense.

832
00:42:11,955 --> 00:42:14,174
Does that, is that
still at play right now?

833
00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:21,285
The, the world economy is in
a massive moment of change.

834
00:42:21,765 --> 00:42:21,945
Yeah.

835
00:42:21,945 --> 00:42:25,575
So I wouldn't have, you know, I
don't think it's appropriate to

836
00:42:25,575 --> 00:42:27,015
try and guess what will happen.

837
00:42:27,015 --> 00:42:27,134
Right.

838
00:42:27,134 --> 00:42:30,375
I think we're about to
see a massive, uh, test.

839
00:42:30,915 --> 00:42:36,315
Of what the industry's interest is, and
that will be what Congress mandated,

840
00:42:36,315 --> 00:42:39,465
which is the big expansion of drilling
and cook inland in Alaska and in the

841
00:42:39,465 --> 00:42:41,205
Western and Central Gulf of Mexico.

842
00:42:41,475 --> 00:42:45,674
These vast multimillion dollar,
multimillion acre lease sales.

843
00:42:45,674 --> 00:42:49,725
We'll see, you know, if, if the
bidding happens and if they sell,

844
00:42:49,725 --> 00:42:52,154
and that'll be a sense of where
the economy is at the moment.

845
00:42:52,485 --> 00:42:56,384
But again, these lease sales
are a generational decision.

846
00:42:56,384 --> 00:42:59,535
Someone might buy them even if the
world's flooded with oil and prices.

847
00:43:00,045 --> 00:43:01,274
You know, or, or vice versa.

848
00:43:01,274 --> 00:43:04,484
If it's low, you know, there is an
oil and the price is high, people

849
00:43:04,484 --> 00:43:06,045
might buy it and hold onto it.

850
00:43:06,045 --> 00:43:11,895
And in fact, approximately 80% of the
already leased areas are not being used.

851
00:43:12,495 --> 00:43:12,795
Right?

852
00:43:12,884 --> 00:43:15,015
Because that's a lot of what's happening.

853
00:43:15,015 --> 00:43:20,685
And so we're, you know, we're concerned
about the long-term decision and whether

854
00:43:20,685 --> 00:43:27,105
oil prices were high or low, whether the
cost of offshore drilling is so high.

855
00:43:27,705 --> 00:43:29,085
It'll ne it never makes sense.

856
00:43:29,115 --> 00:43:30,165
It will never make sense.

857
00:43:30,165 --> 00:43:31,695
No, yeah, for sure.

858
00:43:32,174 --> 00:43:32,565
For sure.

859
00:43:32,565 --> 00:43:35,715
Especially in in those areas, if you
count for the people's health over

860
00:43:35,715 --> 00:43:37,935
time and this cost of oil spills.

861
00:43:38,445 --> 00:43:39,375
Yeah, absolutely.

862
00:43:39,375 --> 00:43:41,205
And especially with a changing Arctic too.

863
00:43:41,384 --> 00:43:43,424
Like you just never know
what's gonna happen up there.

864
00:43:44,355 --> 00:43:47,205
Let's, let's start talking
about what people could do.

865
00:43:47,445 --> 00:43:52,995
'cause, because, you know, oceania's
very good at inspiring people to act

866
00:43:52,995 --> 00:43:57,075
and to, you know, share their opinions
and their, their, their wants, you

867
00:43:57,075 --> 00:44:01,125
know, for, for a better environment,
uh, you know, and within their country,

868
00:44:01,635 --> 00:44:07,215
the public, uh, period for comment
is open as, as we know right now.

869
00:44:07,305 --> 00:44:10,485
Um, would you know first, do
you know when that closes?

870
00:44:11,145 --> 00:44:12,135
January 23rd.

871
00:44:12,825 --> 00:44:13,814
January 23rd.

872
00:44:13,815 --> 00:44:16,095
2026. Okay, so it's still relevant.

873
00:44:16,095 --> 00:44:18,255
We're gonna put this up as
soon as possible so that Okay.

874
00:44:18,255 --> 00:44:21,645
People can get to, get, people can get
to know and, and, and have some time.

875
00:44:22,455 --> 00:44:25,755
So when we talk about the, you
know, I always talk about we should,

876
00:44:26,025 --> 00:44:30,285
you know, talk to our, our state
and federal representative and

877
00:44:30,285 --> 00:44:31,634
local representative all the time.

878
00:44:31,634 --> 00:44:34,424
We should have a relationship with
them, especially with your wants and

879
00:44:34,424 --> 00:44:37,634
needs, whether it's environment or
anything else that they are there

880
00:44:38,025 --> 00:44:39,795
to serve, like, to help, you know.

881
00:44:40,425 --> 00:44:43,635
Vest your interest in the whole
product and they need to listen to you.

882
00:44:44,355 --> 00:44:50,295
When we talk about having a public
comment period open, what do people

883
00:44:50,295 --> 00:44:52,935
say that will make it effective?

884
00:44:53,175 --> 00:44:55,065
You know, 'cause they can
say, I don't want this.

885
00:44:55,095 --> 00:44:57,795
And put that in digital form and,
you know, sign their name to it

886
00:44:57,795 --> 00:44:59,835
if they want, or be anonymous.

887
00:45:00,045 --> 00:45:04,785
What is in, in, in your experience
at Oceania's experience is the, the,

888
00:45:04,785 --> 00:45:08,325
the sort of the best bang for their
buck in terms of what they can say.

889
00:45:08,895 --> 00:45:11,715
That will help them turn, like,
change their minds, help the

890
00:45:11,715 --> 00:45:12,735
government change their minds.

891
00:45:15,135 --> 00:45:19,305
So there's the simple answer,
which is we have an action alert.

892
00:45:19,305 --> 00:45:21,315
It's, it's drop the drill.org.

893
00:45:21,315 --> 00:45:25,425
It's some, it sort of pre-populates a
comment that you can then edit, right?

894
00:45:26,175 --> 00:45:32,745
But in this case, as in all
cases, you don't fully know the,

895
00:45:32,955 --> 00:45:34,110
how the decision will be made.

896
00:45:34,725 --> 00:45:37,425
You can predict, 'cause you can take
a look at who's in the administration,

897
00:45:37,425 --> 00:45:39,975
that they're gonna care about
economics, they're gonna care.

898
00:45:40,005 --> 00:45:42,165
That doesn't mean you should just
comment on things they care about.

899
00:45:42,225 --> 00:45:44,475
Like this is a record of
what the public thinks.

900
00:45:44,775 --> 00:45:44,895
Yeah.

901
00:45:44,955 --> 00:45:48,915
And it should be reflective of
the vast significant interest.

902
00:45:49,245 --> 00:45:52,065
But in this case, almost
everything like tourism.

903
00:45:52,575 --> 00:45:54,495
Do you care about that your business?

904
00:45:54,525 --> 00:45:55,155
Most 40.

905
00:45:55,155 --> 00:45:58,665
You know, most people, so many people,
millions of people live near the coast.

906
00:45:58,665 --> 00:45:58,755
Mm-hmm.

907
00:45:59,295 --> 00:46:00,615
This is your backyard.

908
00:46:00,615 --> 00:46:01,245
This is your ocean.

909
00:46:01,485 --> 00:46:01,785
Yeah.

910
00:46:01,875 --> 00:46:05,625
Um, the Marine life, the future
that you want for the world.

911
00:46:05,625 --> 00:46:06,525
Sea level rise.

912
00:46:06,555 --> 00:46:07,935
I mean, there's just so many connections.

913
00:46:07,935 --> 00:46:10,935
So this is a chance to speak
about everything you care about.

914
00:46:10,935 --> 00:46:14,445
And what is important is
enough people speak up.

915
00:46:15,135 --> 00:46:17,595
We'll be sure to cover
all the bases, right?

916
00:46:17,595 --> 00:46:19,245
We've got the elected leaders stepping up.

917
00:46:19,845 --> 00:46:22,754
Yeah, they're covering their, and that's,
and not just the Congress, but you know,

918
00:46:22,754 --> 00:46:27,734
their local leaders, legislators from
the state, mayors, chambers of Commerce,

919
00:46:27,765 --> 00:46:29,565
all of them are speaking up right now.

920
00:46:29,565 --> 00:46:34,095
So you'll be joining a chorus and
when you prevail, and I think there's

921
00:46:34,095 --> 00:46:37,275
a good chance we're gonna be able to
get a lot of these areas, we're moved.

922
00:46:38,205 --> 00:46:41,895
We need momentum like that right now
in, in the environmental movement.

923
00:46:42,435 --> 00:46:45,015
We need, and for oceans, we
need to show that you can.

924
00:46:45,569 --> 00:46:50,549
Make a difference even in hard times
that the common interest in a a healthy

925
00:46:50,549 --> 00:46:52,740
coast is something we can still defend.

926
00:46:53,819 --> 00:46:55,049
Yeah, absolutely.

927
00:46:55,169 --> 00:46:59,245
I also think too, like if you
share a story about why you love.

928
00:47:00,165 --> 00:47:02,985
That, that particular coastline,
wherever you are, like, I think

929
00:47:02,985 --> 00:47:04,725
that would help too, right?

930
00:47:04,725 --> 00:47:09,345
Because stories have power behind them
and if you give like an emotional story

931
00:47:09,345 --> 00:47:12,884
of why you like a Pacific area and
why you don't want it to be changed,

932
00:47:13,275 --> 00:47:15,255
uh, why you don't want it to be moved.

933
00:47:15,315 --> 00:47:19,125
Uh, if you're a deep sea fisher, you're
not gonna want fish where there's oil,

934
00:47:19,215 --> 00:47:22,485
you know, platforms or there's oil
and gas, you know, or, or potential

935
00:47:22,485 --> 00:47:24,225
spill or chemicals that come out.

936
00:47:24,645 --> 00:47:24,975
Um.

937
00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:28,890
You know, you just don't want to have
that compared to just nothing and

938
00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:33,240
just open ocean, you know, you get
to see a lot more and, and, and enjoy

939
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:36,359
it a lot more instead of just seeing
these, these platforms that are out

940
00:47:36,359 --> 00:47:39,180
there for years and years on, on end.

941
00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:43,169
Not even, and not, that's not even,
we're not even talking about, you know,

942
00:47:43,169 --> 00:47:46,740
spills at this point, we're talking about
more of just like the visual aspect of,

943
00:47:46,740 --> 00:47:50,939
and having that peaceful aspect that
a lot of fishers and hunters enjoy.

944
00:47:51,225 --> 00:47:55,870
In, in national parks and, and
Marine sanctuaries and Yeah, totally.

945
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:56,385
And so forth.

946
00:47:56,595 --> 00:47:56,895
Yeah.

947
00:47:56,895 --> 00:48:01,395
So I think stories would be, would be a
great thing, uh, to, to have going on.

948
00:48:01,815 --> 00:48:02,145
Okay.

949
00:48:02,145 --> 00:48:08,625
So like, are we looking at, so from, from
a, so if we, if people comment, you know,

950
00:48:08,625 --> 00:48:10,965
their stories, their, you know, facts.

951
00:48:10,965 --> 00:48:11,655
Go on.

952
00:48:11,715 --> 00:48:13,395
Uh, sorry, what was the website again?

953
00:48:13,395 --> 00:48:15,825
Just so people could
know, oh, stop the drill.

954
00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:18,580
Stop the drill.org org.

955
00:48:18,750 --> 00:48:18,960
Okay.

956
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,690
So we'll, we'll, we'll
stop the, the drill.org.

957
00:48:21,930 --> 00:48:23,400
Go there, grab some facts.

958
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,875
If you need some and you wanna
put 'em in, you know, you can,

959
00:48:25,875 --> 00:48:29,190
you can put that in, you can make
it, you know, the way you want it.

960
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:31,260
So it's not just the same
message over and over again.

961
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,140
But I think that's, that's
one way of, of looking at it.

962
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,040
What are we realistically
looking at for objectives?

963
00:48:38,070 --> 00:48:38,610
Objectives.

964
00:48:38,610 --> 00:48:40,590
Now we're looking, are
we looking at like full.

965
00:48:41,085 --> 00:48:44,384
Prevention of, of leases
is a realistic goal.

966
00:48:44,384 --> 00:48:46,424
Is that, do you think that's
a realistic goal to ask?

967
00:48:47,595 --> 00:48:52,185
Well, I wanna just, uh, you is, I, I
feel like there's an important follow up.

968
00:48:52,185 --> 00:48:52,455
Please do.

969
00:48:52,455 --> 00:48:52,515
Yeah.

970
00:48:52,515 --> 00:48:57,645
To the question you just asked, which
is Yes, write a letter, share personal

971
00:48:57,645 --> 00:49:02,565
experience, but what I'm, what we're
a part of, you know, and we have all

972
00:49:02,565 --> 00:49:05,205
around the country field staff, we
have people that we work with, we

973
00:49:05,205 --> 00:49:07,725
have partners, close partners, um.

974
00:49:08,835 --> 00:49:13,335
People have so much power and
influence when they really care.

975
00:49:13,545 --> 00:49:16,035
Like there's so many people with
connections to the administration

976
00:49:16,035 --> 00:49:17,055
and the president in Florida.

977
00:49:17,595 --> 00:49:17,685
Mm-hmm.

978
00:49:17,925 --> 00:49:21,165
There's so many people who are connected
in ways they might not even expect.

979
00:49:21,165 --> 00:49:24,165
Like if you're a military community
in California and you depend

980
00:49:24,165 --> 00:49:27,435
on the ability to do trusting
and training out in that ocean.

981
00:49:27,435 --> 00:49:27,495
Yeah.

982
00:49:27,825 --> 00:49:30,855
Or you part of shipping in California
and some of the biggest ports in

983
00:49:30,855 --> 00:49:34,155
the world, and the thought of an
oil spill off the port of LA and

984
00:49:34,155 --> 00:49:35,085
what that would mean for you.

985
00:49:35,085 --> 00:49:37,310
So like going and talking to your port.

986
00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:43,680
Or talking to your local member and,
um, all of that sort of bottom up,

987
00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:48,450
um, and personal, like what, how
could you influence this decision?

988
00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:52,020
The creativity that we're observing
all around the country is awesome.

989
00:49:52,020 --> 00:49:53,400
And that's a part of the solution too.

990
00:49:54,450 --> 00:49:55,800
I never even thought about that.

991
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:56,730
That's such a good point.

992
00:49:57,690 --> 00:50:01,170
To like go to all the places where,
you know, it's actually, it's really

993
00:50:01,170 --> 00:50:04,590
important to make sure there's clean
Seas and there's nothing, uh, uh, you

994
00:50:04,590 --> 00:50:08,370
know, obstructing, you know, tourism and
businesses at ports and, And so forth.

995
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,180
Um, and business leaders that are, that
are along, that have influence that,

996
00:50:12,210 --> 00:50:17,580
that have connections to senators,
congress, people, the president,

997
00:50:17,610 --> 00:50:19,080
you know, wherever they can get it.

998
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:19,290
Yeah.

999
00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:19,635
This is like.

1000
00:50:20,505 --> 00:50:22,455
No holds Barr, I guess right now.

1001
00:50:22,455 --> 00:50:22,695
Right.

1002
00:50:22,695 --> 00:50:26,145
We need to pull out everything and,
and, and get everybody talking.

1003
00:50:26,145 --> 00:50:28,665
And for this, I agree.

1004
00:50:28,665 --> 00:50:33,255
And I also think that there's a
perspective of um, when you get past what

1005
00:50:33,255 --> 00:50:36,765
you were describing earlier where people
feel defeated or hopeless or, or scared.

1006
00:50:36,765 --> 00:50:36,855
Mm-hmm.

1007
00:50:38,625 --> 00:50:40,845
Like a light opens up actually
you have a lot of power.

1008
00:50:40,845 --> 00:50:40,905
Yeah.

1009
00:50:40,905 --> 00:50:43,755
There's a lot you can do even in,
even in this administration, there's

1010
00:50:43,755 --> 00:50:46,515
plenty of ways to still make a
difference and have influence and.

1011
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:49,950
Uh, there are plenty of people like
the Florida Republicans who very much

1012
00:50:49,950 --> 00:50:52,830
care about their shore, so there's a
lot to tap into and a lot we can do.

1013
00:50:53,970 --> 00:50:54,570
Perfect.

1014
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:55,080
Okay.

1015
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,190
That's wonderful.

1016
00:50:56,549 --> 00:51:04,380
Um, I guess like, you know, from Oceania's
perspective, what message do you hope

1017
00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:08,520
policy, policy makers and, and the
public receive from Oceania's standpoint

1018
00:51:09,450 --> 00:51:12,930
and like about the kind of stewardship
that's needed today Of the oceans?

1019
00:51:15,450 --> 00:51:15,665
Yeah, the.

1020
00:51:17,250 --> 00:51:20,820
In, in some ways it's, uh,
oil spills are a nightmare.

1021
00:51:20,850 --> 00:51:21,840
It's time to move on.

1022
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:23,190
They're destructive.

1023
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:23,250
Yeah.

1024
00:51:23,250 --> 00:51:24,030
Terrible.

1025
00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:26,220
They're one of the worst
things we can do to the planet.

1026
00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:29,100
And we need to stop the expansion
of offshore drilling for sure.

1027
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:30,210
That's one message.

1028
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,230
Um, another message is, uh, that.

1029
00:51:36,615 --> 00:51:38,685
That we have a chance to
choose a better future.

1030
00:51:38,775 --> 00:51:42,375
It's actually a moment where
if we can prevail and help get

1031
00:51:42,375 --> 00:51:43,575
these areas out of this plan.

1032
00:51:43,575 --> 00:51:44,715
You were asking what's the hope?

1033
00:51:44,715 --> 00:51:46,515
Well, let's try and see what's possible.

1034
00:51:46,515 --> 00:51:46,575
Yeah.

1035
00:51:46,845 --> 00:51:49,395
But, uh, we should be able
to take vast areas out.

1036
00:51:49,815 --> 00:51:54,435
All of that means that we can, we have
momentum and power towards other forms of

1037
00:51:54,525 --> 00:51:58,424
clean energy and we kind of have shaped
the future in a pretty fundamental way.

1038
00:51:58,424 --> 00:52:01,845
So that's another, uh, really key message.

1039
00:52:02,205 --> 00:52:02,805
Um.

1040
00:52:03,525 --> 00:52:08,805
And so, yeah, and, and, and I think
the, the one that we keep trying and

1041
00:52:08,805 --> 00:52:13,035
you've, I, I, I mean, I've said it a
lot, but it because is that this is

1042
00:52:13,035 --> 00:52:16,785
bipartisan, like truly bipartisan.

1043
00:52:17,175 --> 00:52:22,365
You can work even at this
time, successfully together

1044
00:52:22,485 --> 00:52:23,865
because you share an interest.

1045
00:52:23,865 --> 00:52:23,925
Yeah.

1046
00:52:24,015 --> 00:52:25,935
And it may be from very
different perspectives.

1047
00:52:25,935 --> 00:52:27,615
It might be because of military.

1048
00:52:28,035 --> 00:52:32,475
And business reasons and not
for wildlife or maybe all of

1049
00:52:32,475 --> 00:52:33,915
the above, but we share that.

1050
00:52:34,425 --> 00:52:38,925
And regardless of what you think
about anything else in environment,

1051
00:52:39,765 --> 00:52:40,995
no one wants an oil spill.

1052
00:52:41,175 --> 00:52:43,275
So let's start there and build from there.

1053
00:52:43,275 --> 00:52:45,195
And that is the perspective
that we're trying to bring.

1054
00:52:46,455 --> 00:52:46,935
Perfect.

1055
00:52:47,265 --> 00:52:47,805
Perfect.

1056
00:52:48,585 --> 00:52:49,635
Any last?

1057
00:52:50,430 --> 00:52:53,640
Things you wanted to say before,
before we end this interview?

1058
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,330
This has been a fantastic interview,
thanks to really motivate and, and you

1059
00:52:57,330 --> 00:53:00,419
just said some really great things to,
to, in terms of, of how do you wanna

1060
00:53:00,419 --> 00:53:05,790
motivate, what do you want people to know
as we kind of, you know, leave here, uh,

1061
00:53:05,819 --> 00:53:09,509
and, and, uh, you know, wanting them to
comment, obviously, you know, talking

1062
00:53:09,509 --> 00:53:12,569
to their business leaders, talking
to ports and, and things like that.

1063
00:53:12,569 --> 00:53:15,480
But what would you like
them to know about this?

1064
00:53:18,270 --> 00:53:19,319
They can make a difference.

1065
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:22,920
That they can make a difference
and we can make a difference.

1066
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,569
And this may not, you know,
there's, it may not feel like

1067
00:53:27,569 --> 00:53:30,299
it, but this is a transformative
moment on climate and energy.

1068
00:53:30,839 --> 00:53:35,040
This is a moment where actually we
can make a huge change for some of the

1069
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,660
biggest and most important coasts in
the United States, and to have a vision

1070
00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:44,100
for America and for our communities
and our coast that is thriving.

1071
00:53:44,895 --> 00:53:49,185
Yeah, but having thriving coasts, which
is worth so much and will be worth so

1072
00:53:49,185 --> 00:53:54,345
much more in the future, uh, depends
on not having oil spills, right.

1073
00:53:54,345 --> 00:53:58,695
Depends on holding the line today and
not allowing a short term interest,

1074
00:53:58,785 --> 00:54:03,885
uh, to sort of, to take that risk
with some of the places we care

1075
00:54:03,885 --> 00:54:06,915
about most and that are the worth
the most in so many different ways.

1076
00:54:06,915 --> 00:54:06,975
Yeah.

1077
00:54:07,365 --> 00:54:11,595
So I, you know, the, this is, we
hope people will, will contribute

1078
00:54:11,595 --> 00:54:12,330
in whatever way they can.

1079
00:54:13,245 --> 00:54:14,715
Comment letters would be great.

1080
00:54:15,105 --> 00:54:15,375
Yeah.

1081
00:54:15,375 --> 00:54:19,065
Um, but anything, uh, right
now could make a difference.

1082
00:54:19,065 --> 00:54:23,175
And the, the way this process works, and
this is where I'll end, is that if they

1083
00:54:23,175 --> 00:54:24,615
take areas out, they don't come back.

1084
00:54:25,425 --> 00:54:25,515
Mm-hmm.

1085
00:54:25,755 --> 00:54:28,365
So this is the, you know,
that this is the draft plan.

1086
00:54:28,785 --> 00:54:31,365
We would love to see lots
of this out of the final.

1087
00:54:32,310 --> 00:54:33,750
Uh, it was a first draft.

1088
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:35,490
Everyone makes mistakes
in the first draft.

1089
00:54:35,490 --> 00:54:36,360
Let's fix it.

1090
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:36,960
Right?

1091
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:37,020
Yeah.

1092
00:54:37,020 --> 00:54:40,800
And, uh, and get it to be
a plan that is as small as

1093
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,210
possible for offshore drilling.

1094
00:54:42,210 --> 00:54:42,270
Yeah.

1095
00:54:42,270 --> 00:54:46,890
And do everything we can, uh, to
try and advance, um, clean energy

1096
00:54:46,890 --> 00:54:49,890
and to work together to protect
coasts from all the various threats

1097
00:54:49,890 --> 00:54:50,850
that are underway right now.

1098
00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:52,110
Gotcha.

1099
00:54:52,170 --> 00:54:56,460
Now, uh, for people who are
outside the us, non non-American

1100
00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:59,160
citizens, and is it, uh.

1101
00:54:59,565 --> 00:55:01,125
Worthwhile to comment as well.

1102
00:55:01,125 --> 00:55:04,245
Are they able to comment and
put their stories in as well?

1103
00:55:05,325 --> 00:55:06,440
I think they can provide comments.

1104
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:07,590
Yeah.

1105
00:55:07,650 --> 00:55:07,770
Okay.

1106
00:55:07,785 --> 00:55:09,270
Um, yeah, I think so.

1107
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,100
Um, I feel like it would be necessary.

1108
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:14,730
A lot of people travel to the us you
know, especially California, you know,

1109
00:55:14,730 --> 00:55:18,960
Alaska, you know, Florida, you know,
all the, uh, gulf coasts that travel

1110
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:24,120
to be on the beaches, you know, tourism
money, you know, and I feel as though

1111
00:55:24,270 --> 00:55:28,050
that would help in terms of like making
sure that tourists are well taken

1112
00:55:28,050 --> 00:55:31,500
care of as well, and making sure that
people keep coming down, um, without,

1113
00:55:31,530 --> 00:55:32,940
without oil on the, on the shores.

1114
00:55:33,690 --> 00:55:37,290
That's a really great point and I
think it, it's worth absolutely worth.

1115
00:55:37,319 --> 00:55:41,069
You know, one of the things that happens
is we make these decisions, but the

1116
00:55:41,069 --> 00:55:45,060
voices of people in other countries who
really matter and care and the voices

1117
00:55:45,060 --> 00:55:46,770
of future generations aren't there.

1118
00:55:46,770 --> 00:55:48,540
And that's a responsibility we have.

1119
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:49,020
Yeah.

1120
00:55:49,140 --> 00:55:52,265
Uh, you know, for, but also,
yeah, I think the should comment.

1121
00:55:53,490 --> 00:55:53,910
Perfect.

1122
00:55:54,030 --> 00:55:54,420
Perfect.

1123
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:56,880
Well, Joseph, this has been fantastic.

1124
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,710
I feel same invigorated.

1125
00:55:58,830 --> 00:55:59,760
I feel inspired.

1126
00:56:00,390 --> 00:56:03,060
I hope everybody else
feels inspired as well.

1127
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:05,340
I wanna thank you so much for the
work that Thank you you do, and

1128
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:08,250
the work that Oceania does, and
also coming on the podcast and

1129
00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:09,720
just sharing, uh, your knowledge.

1130
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:10,830
Thank you, and/or, and what we can do.

1131
00:56:10,830 --> 00:56:11,880
I think it's really important.

1132
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:12,090
Yeah.

1133
00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:12,475
Thank you so much.

1134
00:56:13,170 --> 00:56:13,620
Appreciate it.

1135
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,350
Thank you, Joseph, for joining
us on today's episode of the How

1136
00:56:16,350 --> 00:56:17,460
to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

1137
00:56:17,460 --> 00:56:20,640
It was great to have you
on so many great tidbits of

1138
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,160
information to inspire us to act.

1139
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,340
We can use the public comment
period and make comments.

1140
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:29,040
You can go to stop the drill.org.

1141
00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:30,570
I'll put that link in the show notes.

1142
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,930
Go there and use the information
from there to add your

1143
00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:35,100
public comment if you want.

1144
00:56:35,415 --> 00:56:38,924
Curtail to your story, what you
want to see out of this plan.

1145
00:56:38,984 --> 00:56:42,165
If you want stop, you know, I highly
recommend that you put a pen to paper

1146
00:56:42,165 --> 00:56:45,404
or, you know, use your keyboard to
put that ink and, and that digital

1147
00:56:45,404 --> 00:56:49,274
ink into the notes and make sure
they know how you feel to ensure that

1148
00:56:49,274 --> 00:56:50,439
we don't have this plan go forward.

1149
00:56:50,970 --> 00:56:52,920
This is gonna be really
bad for the future.

1150
00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:56,610
Last time the Trump administration
ended up protecting a great part

1151
00:56:56,610 --> 00:56:59,430
of the coastline from the Carolinas
all the way down to Florida.

1152
00:56:59,430 --> 00:57:00,360
Hopefully that can happen.

1153
00:57:00,390 --> 00:57:03,330
Again, this is gonna be a very
important aspect and like as

1154
00:57:03,330 --> 00:57:06,930
Joseph says, this is the US at a
crossroads, which are we gonna decide?

1155
00:57:06,930 --> 00:57:07,950
Are we gonna go oil and gas?

1156
00:57:07,950 --> 00:57:08,940
Are we gonna go renewals?

1157
00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:10,145
This is where we decide.

1158
00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:12,899
And it's up to you to
have that public comment.

1159
00:57:12,899 --> 00:57:14,819
If you do not comment,
then you can't complain.

1160
00:57:14,819 --> 00:57:15,240
What happens?

1161
00:57:15,569 --> 00:57:18,149
F this is the time for you
to speak up for the blue.

1162
00:57:18,149 --> 00:57:19,500
Speak up for the ocean.

1163
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:21,000
This is how you protect the ocean.

1164
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,109
This is what we're gonna be doing.

1165
00:57:22,109 --> 00:57:23,670
There's a lot of campaigns going on.

1166
00:57:23,759 --> 00:57:24,600
This is one of them.

1167
00:57:24,750 --> 00:57:25,680
Ocean is great.

1168
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,379
They have a lot of connections
and this is great to be a part of.

1169
00:57:28,379 --> 00:57:31,200
But also use your connections, use your
family's connections, whatever you can

1170
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,890
do to make sure that we have people
in high places who are understanding

1171
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,069
that this is not a good plan to
move forward in this day and age.

1172
00:57:38,355 --> 00:57:41,535
With that said, check out the links
below and if you have a comment, you

1173
00:57:41,535 --> 00:57:43,515
want to leave a comment or a question.

1174
00:57:43,515 --> 00:57:45,945
If you have a question, do
that in the comments below.

1175
00:57:45,945 --> 00:57:49,395
If you're watching this on YouTube, if
you are listening to this on your favorite

1176
00:57:49,395 --> 00:57:53,235
podcast app, whether it be Apple Music,
apple Podcasts, Spotify, whatever that

1177
00:57:53,235 --> 00:57:55,995
might be, if you're listening to this
on the website, speak up for blue.com.

1178
00:57:56,055 --> 00:57:59,235
You can connect with me in a
multitude of different ways.

1179
00:57:59,355 --> 00:57:59,785
There's gonna be links.

1180
00:58:00,095 --> 00:58:02,794
Down below in the show notes
so you can connect with me.

1181
00:58:02,915 --> 00:58:06,605
There's ways you can actually leave
voicemails with me or you can leave

1182
00:58:06,605 --> 00:58:09,935
comments with me if you have any comments
if you're listening to this, the audio.

1183
00:58:10,024 --> 00:58:11,555
So I'm gonna put that link below.

1184
00:58:11,674 --> 00:58:15,935
But essentially it's gonna be
speak up for blue.com/comment

1185
00:58:16,024 --> 00:58:17,254
that you can do that as well.

1186
00:58:17,375 --> 00:58:18,455
I'd love to hear from you.

1187
00:58:18,455 --> 00:58:21,634
And of course, if you wanna follow
us on a specific podcast app,

1188
00:58:21,634 --> 00:58:22,580
you haven't done that before.

1189
00:58:22,935 --> 00:58:26,805
Speak up for blue.com/follow and
of course we'd love a rating and

1190
00:58:26,805 --> 00:58:28,395
review on your favorite podcast app.

1191
00:58:28,485 --> 00:58:30,404
But until next time, I
wanna thank you so much.

1192
00:58:30,404 --> 00:58:33,674
Not only Joseph for joining us, but
you for joining us on this episode of

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00:58:33,674 --> 00:58:35,174
the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

1194
00:58:35,265 --> 00:58:37,875
I am your host, and/or Lewin from
the True North Strong and free.

1195
00:58:37,875 --> 00:58:38,535
Have a great day.

1196
00:58:38,595 --> 00:58:40,665
We'll talk to you next time
and happy conservation.