July 27, 2026
Why Sustainability Is Becoming a Business Requirement
Sustainability anxiety is real. Watching wildfires spread, sea levels rise, and ice melt while governments drag their feet on climate policy can leave anyone feeling stuck. Andrew opens today's episode by naming that frustration directly, then makes the case for where real momentum is actually coming from: business.
This episode breaks down why companies are adopting sustainability practices, sometimes because they want to and sometimes because regulation and consumer pressure leave them little choice. Andrew walks through the European Union's corporate sustainability due diligence directive, a law requiring large companies to address environmental and human rights harms across their entire supply chain. He also shares a real cost savings story from Mountain Equipment Co-op's warehouse recycling overhaul, and explains how B Corp certification gives consumers a way to check a company's environmental and social record before they spend a dollar.
This episode sets up Friday's interview with a sustainability consultant who works inside the entertainment industry, giving listeners the business and regulatory context needed to get the most out of that conversation.
Takeaways
- The EU corporate sustainability due diligence directive requires large companies to address environmental and human rights harms across their full global supply chain
- Consumer spending and cancel culture create real pressure on companies to change their environmental practices
- Mountain Equipment Co-op saved millions of dollars annually after fixing its warehouse recycling and packaging process
- B Corp certification scores companies on people, profit, and planet, giving consumers a way to vet businesses before buying
- Small and medium-sized businesses face a heavier relative burden than large corporations when new sustainability regulations take effect
- Industry pushback has already led EU ministers to reduce the number of companies covered by the directive and delay its timeline
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Transcript
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Let's talk sustainability
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because here's the thing.
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When we see wildfires across the planet,
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when we see sea level
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rise and ice melting,
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we get a lot of anxiety.
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I get a lot of anxiety.
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We all get a lot of anxiety
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when we're seeing the world
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literally melt in front of our eyes.
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And of course,
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politicians not really helping out
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in any kind of way
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because they're gonna continue
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to invest in fossil fuels.
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Doesn't matter which
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country or part of it seems
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like that seems to be the way.
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And it seems to be like it's just dire
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situation that we're in.
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We can't get out of it.
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No matter who we elect or
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or if a party takes power.
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This is just what happens to all of us.
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And it's just it's frustrating as a
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citizen of any country that has elections
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and Democratic party
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that can be in a Democratic process that
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they can elect the people that they want.
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It seems that we always go for oil and
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gas and mining and coal
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and fossil fuels and all
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this kind of stuff that is detriment to
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our planet because that's
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the way we are surviving.
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But I'm going to tell you that there are
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businesses out there and not just
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businesses that are all
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sustainable, but businesses that have
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been working for like decades and in
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business for decades who
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are changing the way that they are doing
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business because of us,
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because of the people that are
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the consumers. And this Friday, we
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actually have an
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interview with Zina Harris who is
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a consultant, a sustainability consultant
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that works in the entertainment industry.
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And Zina comes on the podcast,
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and she's going to talk a lot about how
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what you can really think of and how you
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can make things more
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efficient and more sustainable in every
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little process of a
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production of a say a TV show or
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movie. It's quite fascinating. And what I
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wanted to do today to kind
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of prep you for that interview
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is to talk about why sustainability is
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such an important part of the
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process now and why businesses
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are really the key in changing how we do
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things because I have always been an
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advocate of businesses
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being problem solvers. They have a
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problem. That's why they do so
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well. They have a problem that
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we need to that we need to get solved and
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then they pay for a
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service or product or we pay for
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a service or product that helps solve
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that problem, whatever that might be. And
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on today's episode of
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the How to Protect the Ocean podcast,
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we're going to be talking about that.
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sustainability has become such an
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important part of businesses and why a
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lot of businesses are turning
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towards that, whether they want to or
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not. So we're going to talk about that on
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this episode of the How to
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Protect the Ocean podcast where you get
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your ocean news and sustainability news
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across the week. So Monday to
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Friday, you get sustainability news and
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ocean news and it's and you know, this is
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what we do. We try and provide
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a resource to kind of make you feel
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better and be more optimistic around the
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ocean so that we can do
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better around the ocean and we can
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make better decisions in our daily lives
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as well as hold our members of government
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accountable. And I think that's going to
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be a really important part in the future.
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It is this hope that there are
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accountability measures that these
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elected officials hold themselves to and
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there could be consequences if they don't
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hold it. But regardless, we're going to talk about why sustainability is so important because
you know, one of the questions that I have is that we have a question about sustainability.
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They're just saying that for us in the first time there's one of the reasons why
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sustainability is so important because
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you know, one of the questions that I
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asked Xena, Who uses sustainability
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Okay. Let's just point out, the two things that we have announced today has been sort of I can't allow that to be Broncos add in SD app and then it was the start of a Initiative agation law act and which is why sustainability's so important because you know one of the questions thatamas Zena was like, You
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know, why, why are we production
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companies do this kind of stuff?
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that we could put pressure,
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consumers can put pressure on the
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products that we have,
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whether it's a movie,
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whether it's a TV show,
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whether it's a
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physical product that we use,
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that we drink out of, you know, we,
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when you drive around, it doesn't matter.
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We can use our dollar, right?
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We can use our money to put,
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like to invest in what we want.
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bring up the car situation.
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I can go with an EV,
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like an electric vehicle.
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I, you know, it's more, it's
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a little bit more expensive.
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little bit more of a burden
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when you first drive it.
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if my values truly
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surround that decision,
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then I will make the
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effort into doing that.
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who enjoy having a motorboat
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and that's a gas powered motorboat.
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this up and coming electric,
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you know, boating that we are seeing,
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like, we are seeing electric
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motors and that is quieter,
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that is more powerful.
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bust the miss of like running out of,
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of battery while you're on the water.
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a guest on in a few weeks
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to be able to talk about that.
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different things that we can do
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to make sure we're
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holding companies accountable
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for their sustainability.
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companies to invest more
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into their supply chain.
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be better business people
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when it comes to the environment,
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think about the environment.
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you take all the businesses now,
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the way they operate, and
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you try to find efficiencies,
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you try to find sustainability,
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there might be an upfront investment,
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but overall, there's a cost savings
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because there's
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incentives built in by government
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to go, you know, more sustainable,
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more green if you want
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to use those terms there.
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certain supply chain,
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for a TV show or a movie.
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different things that you can do,
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benefits in the long run,
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not only for the planet, but for your
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business in terms of cost.
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lot of people, when we discuss,
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government's never going
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time when if we start talking about just
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daily basis, every business,
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you know, become more sustainable, become
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governments and have businesses actually
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focus in on being more sustainable.
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drive a certain amount, you know, money
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really talks in this type of world.
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government will have to step in and say,
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us to leave it up to you, whether you
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should go more sustainable in your supply
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chain or in your processes, and you
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decided not to do that.
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little bit more incentive because we're
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putting in a regulation.
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sustainability due diligence directive
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requires large companies to identify and
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address environmental,
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and human rights harms across their
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entire supply chain, not just their own
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operations, it entered into force in in
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on July 25 2024 and aims to foster
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sustainable and
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responsible corporate behavior.
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operations, but if they work globally, it
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has to be global, especially if they're
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headquartered in the EU.
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in terms of like government directive,
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right? The European Union is a big place.
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states and countries.
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law that they have to look after Europe's
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always seems to be ahead of North America
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in the way that they do things in terms
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of corporate and environmental
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responsibility for from what I know.
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Please let me know if that's different.
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the reasoning behind it because the
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companies are increasingly building
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supply chains, you know, business
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partners and renewable energy into their
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operations to positively impact and and
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point customers demands for that
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accountability plus regulatory mandate so
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that you know, you have both, you know,
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the the customers are demanding it and
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also the government or demand and the
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to move there anyway.
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regulatory system could help in
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incentivizing the businesses in either
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tax cuts or something that
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could help these these places.
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know if tax cuts would help. But usually
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that's what have they get rebates and all
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this kind of stuff to help save them
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really interesting. Now, of course, the
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number of companies
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covered and delay the timeline.
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following industry pressure about the
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competitiveness against foreign rivals.
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European Union who have who are forced to
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make these investments and put in costs
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for that and still sell their prices sell
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prices that they they sell them.
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face of like, can they handle this costs
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like are there are there shareholders or
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their company leaders not going to make
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as much money as they usually do, which
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is usually in the hundreds of millions of
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here when businesses talk back and have
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probably do it right off the bat.
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money, but also the small to medium sized
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businesses who also have to do this.
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really interesting for them and could be
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challenging for them.
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of the coverage of
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those of those companies.
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happens now, something that you can do if you're if you're not living with a company, you can do it.
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Europe, you want to pressure
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companies to be able to do more.
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wherever you're from or Australia, you
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can you can speak
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with your dollar, right?
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Speak with your wallet. Don't support
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companies who are not environmentally
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friendly, who are not really trying to
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redo or change their supply chain to make it more sustainable.
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sometimes you don't know if they are. My
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wife did a certification called the lead
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certification a while ago, and it's a
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business practice is to try and find
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efficiencies and try and find ways to not
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only be more sustainable, but also be
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more more profitable, right?
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want. And she went to visit a local like
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a Canadian. It's a pretty large store,
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mountain equipment co-op, and they had a
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warehouse and they had all these extra
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cardboard boxes that they had left over
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from all the products when they were
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getting it in from their suppliers.
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was efficient that would put that
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together, the proper recycling, proper
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packaging, proper sorting and everything
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like that. So they put that in and they
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end up saving like
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millions of dollars in the end.
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that, but overall in the long term,
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they're going to save millions and
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millions of dollars every year just
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because they were founding.
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get rid and recycle these cardboard boxes
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better because even though cardboard
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boxes and materials are able to be
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recycled, if you don't put them into the
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right containers or you don't follow the
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right process, they're just going to end
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up in the landfill and
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they're not going to get recycled.
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these types of efficiencies and these
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types of sustainability practices put in
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is huge. The other thing that's really
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great are the B Corps.
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More and more companies are becoming B
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Corp certified. Now, B Corp is a
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certification program, an audit program
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that does an audit on companies every few
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years and they look at the triple bottom
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line, right? They're looking
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at people, profit and planet.
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look at the environment and the people,
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how you treat your employees, how you
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treat your customers and of course how
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you're getting your profits and how
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you're sharing those profits.
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that's done on these companies changes as
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they get more evolved and they evolve
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over time and they run these audits and
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they end up being, oh cool, they end up
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really proud that they
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pass a certification.
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have to do to pass and they start to
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better those processes. They become a
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better company for that. So you can go on
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the B Corp website, I'll put a link in
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the show notes, where you can actually
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find where these B Corps are, how to buy
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from them if you're interested in their product.
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you need. They have like a score on the B
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Corp of like how they scored from a
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people profit and
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planet kind of situation.
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cool thing to help you make a decision as
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a consumer of who you want to support.
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And it goes all over the place. Sometimes
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it's like insurance companies, sometimes
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it's like somebody makes a
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product that's more sustainable.
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There's a lot of different things and
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it's not cheap. They companies invest a
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heavy heavily into this process to make
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sure that they get B Corp certified and
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that they treat their employees right.
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treat the profit and people equally.
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So I think that's really that's really
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important. So this week we're going to be
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covering a lot of this stuff tomorrow.
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We're going to be looking at like the
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economic case of sustainability.
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We're going to go through the economics
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Wednesday. We're going to be covering the
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sustainability about people. We're going
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to be really focusing on the people. And
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then of course on on Thursday, we're
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going to be looking at, you know, what
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when sustainability claims are true.
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important thing to cover. So we're going
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to we're going to look at all this stuff
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this week before my interview with Zena
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Harris, who's talking about
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sustainability in the
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production of a TV show or a TV show.
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Or movies or entertainment in the
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entertainment industry. So it's going to
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be really interesting to see how
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different sectors maneuver within
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sustainability. So that's it for today's
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episode. If you want to support the show,
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you can do so. Go speak up for blue.com
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forward slash Patreon.
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And if you want to get ahold of me, you
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can just go into the show notes, look at
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all my socials and DM me. I'd be more
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than happy to have that conversation with
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you because this is where we start the
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conversation and you continue it. And we
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want to thank you. I want to thank you
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for joining me on today's episode of the
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how to protect the ocean podcast. Have a
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great day. We'll talk to you next time
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and happy conservation.
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Let's talk sustainability
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because here's the thing.
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When we see wildfires across the planet,
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when we see sea level
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rise and ice melting,
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we get a lot of anxiety.
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I get a lot of anxiety.
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We all get a lot of anxiety
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when we're seeing the world
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literally melt in front of our eyes.
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And of course,
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politicians not really helping out
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in any kind of way
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because they're gonna continue
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to invest in fossil fuels.
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Doesn't matter which
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country or part of it seems
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like that seems to be the way.
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situation that we're in.
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We can't get out of it.
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No matter who we elect or
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or if a party takes power.
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This is just what happens to all of us.
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citizen of any country that has elections
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and Democratic party
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that can be in a Democratic process that
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they can elect the people that they want.
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It seems that we always go for oil and
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gas and mining and coal
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and fossil fuels and all
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this kind of stuff that is detriment to
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our planet because that's
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the way we are surviving.
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businesses out there and not just
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businesses that are all
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sustainable, but businesses that have
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business for decades who
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are changing the way that they are doing
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business because of us,
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because of the people that are
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the consumers. And this Friday, we
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actually have an
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interview with Zina Harris who is
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a consultant, a sustainability consultant
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that works in the entertainment industry.
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what you can really think of and how you
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can make things more
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efficient and more sustainable in every
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little process of a
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production of a say a TV show or
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movie. It's quite fascinating. And what I
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wanted to do today to kind
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of prep you for that interview
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is to talk about why sustainability is
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such an important part of the
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process now and why businesses
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are really the key in changing how we do
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things because I have always been an
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being problem solvers. They have a
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hold it. But regardless, we're going to talk about why sustainability is so important because
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when you drive around, it doesn't matter.
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motors and that is quieter,
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holding companies accountable
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for their sustainability.
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companies to invest more
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into their supply chain.
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governments and have businesses actually
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sustainability due diligence directive
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responsible corporate behavior.
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responsibility for from what I know.
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point customers demands for that
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accountability plus regulatory mandate so
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incentivizing the businesses in either
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this kind of stuff to help save them
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covered and delay the timeline.
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competitiveness against foreign rivals.
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European Union who have who are forced to
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for that and still sell their prices sell
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their products and services for the
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their company leaders not going to make
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money, but also the small to medium sized
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businesses who also have to do this.
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really interesting for them and could be
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challenging for them.
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happens now, something that you can do if you're if you're not living with a company, you can do it.
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companies to be able to do more.
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wherever you're from or Australia, you
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can you can speak
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with your dollar, right?
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companies who are not environmentally
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redo or change their supply chain to make it more sustainable.
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sometimes you don't know if they are. My
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wife did a certification called the lead
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certification a while ago, and it's a
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business practice is to try and find
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efficiencies and try and find ways to not
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only be more sustainable, but also be
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more more profitable, right?
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Because that's what a lot of businesses
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want. And she went to visit a local like
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a Canadian. It's a pretty large store,
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mountain equipment co-op, and they had a
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warehouse and they had all these extra
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cardboard boxes that they had left over
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from all the products when they were
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getting it in from their suppliers.
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And they just didn't have a system that
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was efficient that would put that
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together, the proper recycling, proper
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packaging, proper sorting and everything
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like that. So they put that in and they
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end up saving like
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millions of dollars in the end.
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Now, there was an upfront cost to do
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that, but overall in the long term,
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they're going to save millions and
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millions of dollars every year just
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because they were founding.
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They found a process that will help them
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get rid and recycle these cardboard boxes
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better because even though cardboard
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boxes and materials are able to be
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recycled, if you don't put them into the
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right containers or you don't follow the
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right process, they're just going to end
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up in the landfill and
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they're not going to get recycled.
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So having that as a big part of like
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these types of efficiencies and these
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types of sustainability practices put in
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is huge. The other thing that's really
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great are the B Corps.
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More and more companies are becoming B
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Corp certified. Now, B Corp is a
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certification program, an audit program
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that does an audit on companies every few
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years and they look at the triple bottom
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line, right? They're looking
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at people, profit and planet.
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And I think that's really important to
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look at the environment and the people,
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how you treat your employees, how you
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treat your customers and of course how
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you're getting your profits and how
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you're sharing those profits.
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And so this certification, this audit
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that's done on these companies changes as
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they get more evolved and they evolve
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over time and they run these audits and
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they end up being, oh cool, they end up
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really proud that they
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pass a certification.
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If they don't pass, they know what they
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have to do to pass and they start to
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better those processes. They become a
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better company for that. So you can go on
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the B Corp website, I'll put a link in
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the show notes, where you can actually
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find where these B Corps are, how to buy
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from them if you're interested in their product.
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And you're able to do the diligence that
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you need. They have like a score on the B
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Corp of like how they scored from a
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people profit and
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planet kind of situation.
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And I just think that's like a really
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cool thing to help you make a decision as
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a consumer of who you want to support.
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And it goes all over the place. Sometimes
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it's like insurance companies, sometimes
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it's like somebody makes a
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product that's more sustainable.
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There's a lot of different things and
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it's not cheap. They companies invest a
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heavy heavily into this process to make
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sure that they get B Corp certified and
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that they treat their employees right.
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They treat the planet right and they
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treat the profit and people equally.
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So I think that's really that's really
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important. So this week we're going to be
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covering a lot of this stuff tomorrow.
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We're going to be looking at like the
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economic case of sustainability.
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We're going to go through the economics
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Wednesday. We're going to be covering the
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sustainability about people. We're going
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to be really focusing on the people. And
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then of course on on Thursday, we're
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going to be looking at, you know, what
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when sustainability claims are true.
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And so I think that's kind of an
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important thing to cover. So we're going
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to we're going to look at all this stuff
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this week before my interview with Zena
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Harris, who's talking about
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sustainability in the
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production of a TV show or a TV show.
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Or movies or entertainment in the
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entertainment industry. So it's going to
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be really interesting to see how
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different sectors maneuver within
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sustainability. So that's it for today's
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episode. If you want to support the show,
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you can do so. Go speak up for blue.com
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forward slash Patreon.
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And if you want to get ahold of me, you
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can just go into the show notes, look at
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all my socials and DM me. I'd be more
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than happy to have that conversation with
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you because this is where we start the
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conversation and you continue it. And we
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want to thank you. I want to thank you
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for joining me on today's episode of the
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how to protect the ocean podcast. Have a
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great day. We'll talk to you next time
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and happy conservation.
