Blue Collar White Coat: Meet the People Behind Ocean Science

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This week we've been talking about science communication, how important it is, and all the
different aspects of science communication.

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And today we're going to be focusing on podcasting.

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I have a very special guest, Amy Weldon, who is a 15-year science communication vet who is
coming to talk to us about science communication through podcasting, which is obviously

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something that I love to chat about.

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today we're going to be talking about a bunch of different things, why she started a
podcast, why it's called Blue Collar White Coat, and how she's entering her second season

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in.

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and what who's gonna be on it and why you should be listening.

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That we're gonna talk about that all of that on today's episode of the How to Protect the
Ocean Podcast, where you get your ocean news and everything you need to know about how to

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get the messages about ocean science and conservation out there.

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And today we're gonna be talking about podcasting.

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But if you want to find out more news about oceans and ocean science communication and
conservation, all that kind of stuff, follow this podcast if you haven't already on your

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favorite podcast app.

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All right, today is a very special day because I've known Amy a year

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we have a mutual friend in Dr.

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David Schiffman, and we've talked a couple times ~ over you know over over the the podcast
medium and stuff, not on a podcast.

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This is the first time I've had her on the podcast, not the last.

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but she has a podcast called Blue Collar White Coat that she wants to talk about because
today is the release date on today's.

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So if you after you listen to this, after you listen to all of Amy talking about the
podcast, go listen to her podcast.

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The first episode's coming up for her season two.

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and she's gonna be talking to a lot of different people.

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You know, her first season was a lot of within her own network and people that she knows
and and and loves and and wants to be able to ~ have conversations with.

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And but this this year, it's a little bit more curated towards people who work in and
around the ~ the the science world, you know, but not people like necessarily in the labs,

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but the people who take care of the labs, the people who create the

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~ the tools that people use.

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It's it's a lot of different ~ different things.

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And also like there's gonna be people like a ~ commercial diving supervisor and a team
lead at the Alaskan based marine operation called Highline, ~ staff from a Norfolk

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Virginia ship repair yard that works on naval vessels, ~ connections and and connections
at three aquariums.

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So it's just gonna be a lot of different things that you don't know people from people you
don't normally hear from.

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And I think that's a really important

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~ aspect when it comes down to it that we are looking at something that's different, but
hearing from people who have pride in the work that they do and the and the the people

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they work for and work with because of the science that they put out.

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And I think it's really great to connect with different people all in and around and
adjacent to the science world.

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It's a lot of fun.

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So here is the interview with Amy Weldon talking about conservation, science

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and hitting the right demographic to be able to spread the the message of science.

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Enjoy and I'll talk to you after.

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Hey Amy, welcome to the How to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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Are you ready to talk about Blue Collar White Coat, your podcast?

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I'm excited.

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Are you ready to do this?

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Ugh, I can't wait.

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I just dropped the trailer today,

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so it's like fresh on my brain.

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I'm ready to go.

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I have all my talking points.

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Let's do it.

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Let's do it.

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I love this.

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You know, one of the best things or I guess like I feel like it's one of the privileged
things I get to do is when I get to talk to another podcaster, like you know they prepare

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for this.

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Not to say that others don't, and it's cool if they don't or anything, but like you get
the good microphones and the good like audio and you get the good preparation, they're

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ready to talk, and it's just easy to talk.

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It's I find it one of my favorite types of podcasts to record.

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So this is gonna be a lot

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of fun.

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but before like we start, and we're gonna talk about podcasting, we're gonna talk about
your new season that's coming out on Blue Collar White Coat.

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We'll put the link to the trailer in the show notes so that ~ people can get access to it
and find out what it's all about.

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But before we get all to that, Amy, why don't you just let people know who you are and
what you do?

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Sure yeah, so my name's Amy Weldon and I am the host and executive producer.

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I can say that now 'cause I have a team, so there's more than one of us.

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I know, right?

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We'll get into that in a second.

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But yeah, of Blue Collar White Coat Podcast, which is ~ still pretty new.

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It's this is we're going into our second season.

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And but yeah, I have 15 years in science communications.

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I started actually at the National Aquarium in Baltimore ~ doing the whole education and
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I was a dolphin trainer for a little bit, so that usually gets my foot in the door for
interviews, you know.

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so now I'm putting that gift of gab that I would use to engage audience of you know 1500
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there to see dolphins with conservation messages, of course,

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to the digital media format and which is kinda funny.

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It comes naturally to me, I guess.

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My parents both met at the like college radio station back in the day.

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returning home to that somehow, but this is my ~ kind of passion project on the side.

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science communications person as well.

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so I do that full time and this is kind of where my heart is.

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Marine science,

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ocean conservation is where my heart is, so it's good to be back in a way.

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I love it.

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I absolutely love it.

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And I think, you know, you talk about how your parents did college radio.

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I remember we had a college radio station at University of Guelph for like where I went
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And I remember having this like in the back of my mind, I wasn't in I didn't even know
about science communication at that point, like as a profession or anything like that.

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But at on the radio, I'm like, it'd be really cool if I could be on the radio.

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Like it'd be really, really cool.

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And now I was like

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Now we have podcasting

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and everything like that.

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And I was a much different person though in university.

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I was just getting out of my shy age in high school and getting into a little bit more
like a what I am now in university.

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So I was like, that would have been cool.

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but yeah, it's kind of interesting now you talk about radio and we talk about podcasting.

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I feel like you grow everybody

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grew up listening to a radio station.

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Maybe not now, but like when I was younger, every morning it was a radio station.

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Whether it's sports talk, whether it was news talk like my dad would would listen to, or
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just like pop kind of culture type things.

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You know, radio was always like those were your heroes back then.

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You know, the person with the voice that had the deep voice or the high pitched voice or
something very different, the Howard Stearns of the world, you know, ~

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and just everybody.

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Like we just there's so many people at that time.

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Wendy Williams, I was a big hip hop culture guy, so Wendy Williams was

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like on the radio back then and it's just kinda like crazy to see how radio's become
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because now that you can have a podcast about anything.

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Anybody can start a podcast.

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It's even easier now than ever to start

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a podcast.

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Now to keep a podcast and maintain a podcast is another story.

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But the ability to if somebody wanted to just talk about something, you can pretty much
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For you as a science communicator, why is podcasting the medium that you chose to do?

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Because I mean there's I mean you're a science communicator.

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So there's writing involved, like blogging.

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~ you could do like short-form ~ videos and and things like that.

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Why podcasting for you?

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I love this question because I realize I didn't say at all what the show is about in my
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that soon, yeah.

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As you were talking, I thought, yeah, radio was like a huge common denominator.

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It didn't really matter how you voted, you know, that's where you got your information,
that's where you got,

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you know, your ~ pop culture kind of updates, you know, whatever.

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And it was on in the car on the way to school, or it was on, you know, the bus driver had
it playing if you're a bus kid.

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~ like you said, weather updates, just whatever.

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Like the radio was used for it was kind of just like prevalent everywhere, I guess.

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and that was kind of what I think drew me to the podcasting.

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Because I was like, the biggest question I had is like, how can we reach audiences that we
really need to reach who aren't already interested in science?

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Where are they?

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What are they, you know, consuming and listening to

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and reading or just watching or whatever?

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And you know, my mind obviously goes immediately to Mr.

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Rogan and just like the swath of humanity that at least used to listen to that show and

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like, you know, it just it's it's still

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a lot.

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And it just it struck me as like, oh yeah, podcasting is a really easy place to jump in
and reach a lot of different people.

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It's all about, you know, how you market it, the SEO, all of our podcast nerd stuff that
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detail, but you know, a way that we can also then include really ~ diverse voices in terms
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perspectives.

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So I think that's why it jumped out at me.

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~ I want to come back to the Joe Rogan thing because there's a really interesting point
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But before we do that, I want to talk about the show.

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So Blue Collar White Coat.

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What's it about?

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What was your approach to it?

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Because you have a very unique approach, because there are a lot of science podcasts out
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And a lot of them are based in education.

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Mine is conservation and science and a little bit of education.

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Like they're all a lot of them kind of it's not a copy paste kind of thing, but it's like

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Here's a niche or here's like a type of animal or types of animals and we're gonna go into
it, whether it be sharks or reptiles or amphibians or birds or things like that.

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You decided to go almost a little different and like kind of target the people like behind
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and science and things like that.

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What made you decide that approach?

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And if you can just kind of elaborate on that approach and what made you go through them.

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Yeah, dead on.

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You know, I think having done science communications for fifteen years now, that's like,
you know, basically a hundred years in technology and digital communications.

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Like things have changed a lot, right?

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And I've seen a lot of trends come and go.

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Obviously, there's like, you know, what kind of videos to make and what are the jokes
people are making and what are the references everyone cares about right now.

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But the one thing that's kind of been ~ solid in that time is that we don't talk about the

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personalities, the personal stories behind the scientists and in my case, in my show's
case, not even the scientists, just anyone who helps make science happen, makes

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conservation

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happen.

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~ there's so many more people besides just the folks with the PhDs with the white lab
coats and the, you know, everyone who's ever had to look through like a stock image search

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for, you know, laboratory

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and scientists, the pipetteding always shows up.

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There's so much more to it than that.

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~ I think without telling both the stories of the folks who are doing jobs that aren't
getting the spotlight, they're keeping the lights on over those lab benches, they're

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sure that, you know, I always joke, who runs an HVAC system for a NASA clean room?

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I want to talk to them,

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you know, so not just highlighting these kind of long

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uncelebrated, I guess, jobs that have

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literally gotten us to the moon, ~ among other things, but also

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telling the stories of the people who might wear a white coat to work and might have a few
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Pretty much every person I've talked to has a story that doesn't involve, well, mommy and
daddy went to MIT for free, so I got to as well, and I don't have any student

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dad, and everything's fine.

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No, every time it's well, I'm a first-generation college kid, you know, or I had to work
through school.

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I did somebody the other day I talked to said he did construction, you know, and weighted

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tables, and now he's the director of the Monterey Bay Aquarium's life support system.

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so there's so many stories that we have just

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been ~ not burying but choosing not to highlight in

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favor of being experts.

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Experts, experts, experts.

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You should trust us.

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You should trust us.

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Here's all our credentials.

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We don't use common terms.

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We don't use layman, you know, language because we have to get things published and
approved and da da da da.

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So that academic, ~ what do they call it, the white tower, the ivory tower, if you will,

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that like we have so successfully sequestered ourselves as human beings from other human
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So that's kind of where I was going with the even the title Blue Collar White

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Coat.

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And I love that.

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And I'll tell you why I love it so much.

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~ is because they're the people, like the people who are you're talking about, the people
who you interview, they're the ones who go home with their families and are proud of where

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they work.

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You know what I mean?

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They talk about the stories

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of like, hey, we just made this, I just heard we just made this new advancement.

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I talking to the scientists and we made this new advancement, it's really cool, never been
done before.

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They're the ones who probably have the most pride in the in like the building or what
happens within that building.

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And they're taking care of the say they're taking care of that building or

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they're taking care of the lights or they're making sure that the exhaust and some of
those fumes, like the fume hoods, are make sure it works and that everybody's safe and

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things

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like that.

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Or the even the hawk occupational health and safety person who's probably like the most
important person in a laboratory building, or you

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know, ~ and probably don't there's probably not enough of them in those buildings, you
know, in terms of that, right?

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like I think that's the thing is and as you were talking, I was thinking, I'm like, in at
some point.

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In science, I feel like we lost the plot in terms of like making it exciting for
everybody.

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Like we all,

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if I a lot of the people that I talked to all got inspired by somebody who may or may not
have been a scientist, that initial could have been like for me,

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it was Jacques Cousteau, right?

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Explore

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Extraordinaire went around all these things.

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That's what, like the some of the first things that I saw, you know, that interested me.

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Right.

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Some people it was Jaws.

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Some people it'll be Shark Native.

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Some people will be Shark Week.

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Some people will be Nat Geos, Shark Fest, whatever that might be.

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Astronaut was definitely on people's short list.

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You know, at least until like third grade when we had to start doing like division and
then I like, you know what, I gotta go try something else.

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and the funny

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thing is too is I always tell people I'm like, we have a lot of scientists in science and
in conservation.

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And a lot of the times we don't need scientists.

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We need people to work, whether that be on the business side and fundraising side, or
whether it be on the janitorial side, or maybe it'd be on the electrician or HVAC side,

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like to just take care of the buildings where people are working to help conserve.

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You all are taking part.

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And I feel like that helps with the connection.

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Like one of the reasons why I started this podcast was because the people that I was
interviewing were pretty much down to earth.

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Like you and I are down to we are not, we don't we are not elitist people.

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You know what I mean?

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Like

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no.

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if you we don't make the money to be elitists, like let's be honest.

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You know what I mean?

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We're not in that kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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But we're like, I

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think when once people started to hear the people that I had on, they're like, oh, that's
kind of cool.

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Like they sound like really down to earth people.

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Yes.

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And this is what we've been trying to tell us.

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Like when I post something about climate change and people are like, You're just taking
climate change money.

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Where is that coming from?

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Why is it not hitting

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my bank account?

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Because I don't see it.

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You know, I'm

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not that that influencer.

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I'm not an influencer in that respect.

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And I think that's what it is, is

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you know, we come in with like some of the jargon, we come in with some of the topics that
are that maybe not everybody it's not easy for everybody to understand.

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And then people are just kinda like, Well, I'm not gonna talk to that person or listen to
that person because they're so above.

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But when you talk to the people who really truly value the work that's done at their work,
that's kind of a cool thing.

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And when you start

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to reach those people, they will become the people who are like, Hey, I heard this cool
this cool fact

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about the ocean or I heard this cool fact about science or NASA's doing this really cool
thing.

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And it has nothing to do with like the politics of science.

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It's just cool stuff that happens each and every day.

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You know what I mean?

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absolutely.

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And I think to your point, at the end of the day, not only were we not talking to these
folks enough, like everything obviously is visual these days.

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You have a YouTube channel, you gotta have an Instagram, you know, there's a TikTok,
there's all these visual platforms.

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And too often and not to use NASA again on an ocean show, but to use NASA as an example.

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does a lot of ocean stuff too, we understand.

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~

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~ so yeah, they you know, have gotten so much better and just in the last year even,
'cause when, you know, I started paying attention, but you'd see these posts about the

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clean room and they're interviewing the astrophysicist, you know, who's standing at the
overlook of the clean room and then there's all these technicians running around in bunny

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suits.

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And they got drills and they've got, you know, power tools essentially and they're
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stuff and they're put and I'm like, who are they?

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What are they doing?

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well

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they're technicians.

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What is that?

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So is the person that cleans my teeth at the dentist?

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Like, what is the tech that that's

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that can be a lot of different things, you know?

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So let's talk get them up here.

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I want to talk to them.

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Because nine out of ten times they don't have a four-year degree, they have a trade school
degree.

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They are, you know, or a certificate, rather, they have

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tens of years of experience as aircraft mechanics or something like that.

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I want to hear from them.

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Let's talk to them.

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And

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I think ~ you know, as an American right now, obviously things are really rough
politically and especially.

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When it comes to funding science and supporting science, and at the end of the day, when ~
if we want to reach more people than we have been in order to ~ gain more support for

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politicians or policy that support science that funds science, we have got to start
holding up a mirror for those folks and showing them themselves in science and STEM.

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So, yes, the scientists, the astrophysicists, they work so hard, you know, our PhDs

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that are out on vessels for months at a time doing amazing research.

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They worked really hard.

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They deserve

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the spotlight.

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You know, let's talk to them.

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But let's also talk to the folks whose job before they worked at NOAA was they were a pipe
fitter in someone, you

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know, some major building's basement, or they were an electrician out in a facility and
now they work at a major ~ research institution, you know, doing the same

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thing.

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Let's talk to those folks who have those ~ you know, skill sets and ~

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jobs, I guess, that

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are translatable and nine times out of ten are probably not voting for science 'cause they
don't see themselves in it.

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They don't think they have a place at the table.

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So

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Yeah.

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Everybody has a place with science.

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You know, I think that's the thing.

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It and

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it and we all learned it when we were kids.

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We probably had people come in at various times in our classrooms and talk about the
environment, talk about science and talk about fun things.

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And then we kind of lost it on the way.

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I think in high school and people are like, I'm not good at math or I'm not good at
science, right?

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And then it starts to

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Yeah.

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kind of deviate and then, you know, they just never comes back at times.

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And that's where I

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feel like the disconnect happens and it's nice to be able to think about that.

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Because like I talk to people all the time.

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who learn at something new and they come to me like, hey, did you know this?

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And sometimes I'm like, no, actually I didn't know that.

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You know, that's kind of cool.

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Thank you for telling me.

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Yeah.

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cool thing about this job in particular is talking to

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people every day that make me feel dumb ~ and like teach me, you know what I mean?

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It's like, wow, I thought I knew how

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that worked and that's not how it works at all.

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Or like, here's an

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aspect of this thing that I do know quite well that I didn't even think about before, so

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Well, and it's

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funny too, because I have people come up to me.

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It's like their kids like learn about sharks and they come up, like, did you know about
sharks?

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I'm like, gosh, I didn't know about that.

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That's really cool.

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Good for you.

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And yeah, the little kids are dedicated.

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They

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are dedicated.

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Like they know like dorsal fin placement and all they know it.

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But it

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you know it but it's funny, like I'm I remember like the f like, does that bother you that
they know more about a certain sub?

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I'm like, dude, do you understand how much information

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is in marine biology.

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Just marine biology as a big is a big field in itself.

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There's no way I have the ego that I think that I can get keep all of that in my brain.

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You know, in fact I'm working

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on a short form series, short video series of things I learn in marine biology as a marine
biology that always like, you know, flat because

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it's like you're always learning, right?

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And this is not something that

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is just something like I learned in school and then I'd never have to learn again.

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We're always I mean, that's

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why we do research is why I do I interview people because I get information from people.

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But it's really interesting.

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And now with all this, this is cool stuff.

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Like you have a first season that's already out, ~ and

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you interview all different types of people and and it's great to hear their experience
and from I believe it's like truckers and all that kind of stuff.

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And that's amazing.

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And the content's there.

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I wanna ask you after your first season, what did you find that was easier than you
expected?

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And then I'm gonna ask the what did you find that was harder than expected by doing this
first season?

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So let's start out with the first what what did you find that was easiest or easier than
you at first expected?

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Yeah.

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man

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what you did in season two.

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We'll go deeper into season two in a minute, but

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like just your podcast experience in general.

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Yeah, well and to your point, I've been out of the marine science world for ten years.

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So ~ a lot has changed.

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There's been a lot of

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updates.

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~ you know, I thought I knew the smallest species of shark and apparently there's like
three now.

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And so like they you know, there's a lot to catch up on.

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And so, ~

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I guess, you know

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One of the easy aspects is like jumping right back into this arena and being like, oh
right, these are my people, this is my jam.

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I missed the marine science world.

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But then I think ~ in the first season, one of the biggest contrasts and we were talking
right before the show, is that in season one, everybody wanted to help out.

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They were just like, Yeah, you can interview me, like whatever.

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And because I was just starting out, I was not reaching out.

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Right.

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Right.

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I was reaching out to people that I know and I happen to know a lot of really cool people,
including our mutual friend Dr.

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David Schiffman, who have really cool jobs.

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And ~

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and admittedly in season one, it's a lot more ~ folks that do have maybe more science ~
focused jobs.

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So not necessarily they're scientists and like I said, they're pipetting and stuff like
that.

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I think David may have been one of my only scientists proper on the show.

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Yeah, or in the episode,

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yep.

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And then

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everybody else is like communications person or you know a person that runs the team that
takes care of animals in a laboratory setting like you know would you ever think of that

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no you know there's animals in labs but who takes care of them you know that kind of thing

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in the husbandry

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involved?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And so that kind of showed me like, okay, there's a real hunger here from people to be
heard and to talk more about their kind of not gonna get interviewed by National

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Geographic job, you know?

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And then conversely in the season, I'm really trying to lean harder into that blue-collar
and skilled trades aspect and get more folks that are behind the scenes doing the dirty

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jobs, doing the kind of scary

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jobs sometimes.

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~ and it turns out people that work behind the scenes don't like to be

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Interviewed on a show with like microphones and whatever, you know.

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A lot of these

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people aren't chronically online, like some of us.

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Weird.

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I don't know.

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Why?

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I don't get it.

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So it's

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come on.

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So it has been a little trickier to, you know, obviously go outside of my social circle
because you

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know that involves a lot of steps.

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As you know, like you have to have kind of like the email for the pitch written up in a
way that you don't sound like a spam bot, but you also like are.

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interesting and maybe they'll click and and engage with you but ~ also trying to pair some
folks on the episode ~ in terms of like hey this is a PhD scientist who wears a lab coat

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and we're gonna talk to this other person on the other side of the spectrum that job like
without their job this scientist can't

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do their job so that obviously there's some scheduling kind of gymnastics that you have to
do ~

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and so yeah I think like you said the hardest part is

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Definitely ~ as a side venture too.

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I can't do this full time yet, yet I'm manifesting it.

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~ just the scheduling and the administrative

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part and like keeping track of where you are when you can only work on it certain days a
week or whatever.

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~ and then the easy part is that people care about this topic and they want to talk about
it, or they want somebody else in their company to talk about it because they don't want

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to be on camera.

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So yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I think that's interesting.

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So for you the hardest part was trying to get just get people to be comfortable on camera
and behind

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a microphone.

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And sorry, the easiest part?

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And the easiest part is just the fact that everyone is really excited about this topic,
about talking to jobs, talking to folks with jobs that, you know, are maybe blue collar

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are, you know, even the cafe workers at the aquarium, shout out, Baltimore Aquarium Cafe
workers.

442
00:25:14,043 --> 00:25:16,620
I was a broke college kid for the first few years.

443
00:25:16,620 --> 00:25:22,007
I would have not eaten if it hadn't been for them sometimes, you know, like and

444
00:25:22,007 --> 00:25:27,019
so just talking to these folks who haven't previously gotten that their time in

445
00:25:27,019 --> 00:25:29,412
the spotlight if you will ~ everyone

446
00:25:29,412 --> 00:25:37,662
even if they are PhDs on I had a PhD a Stanford fisheries ~ researcher who's like ~ on

447
00:25:38,205 --> 00:25:38,905
payroll there.

448
00:25:38,905 --> 00:25:40,406
I don't think she's a professor.

449
00:25:40,406 --> 00:25:40,866
I don't know.

450
00:25:40,866 --> 00:25:43,279
You know how the academics are with their different

451
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:51,906
titles, but I had emailed her and asked her, like, hey, if we get a crabber on the show,
can you come on the show and talk with him at the same time?

452
00:25:51,906 --> 00:25:53,027
Like, what a concept.

453
00:25:53,027 --> 00:25:59,022
About the new legislation about limitations on the gear they can use because of gray whale
entanglement.

454
00:25:59,022 --> 00:26:06,658
And she said, I read, she's like, yes, I can absolutely do that, but I read what your show
was about and I started fist pumping at my desk.

455
00:26:08,691 --> 00:26:12,731
So it's not just like the people that feel like, you know, they haven't gotten

456
00:26:12,731 --> 00:26:14,205
the credit they deserve.

457
00:26:14,205 --> 00:26:23,221
It's also the people who are the quote unquote, you know, interviewable expert that are
like, We need to do this, we've been needing to do this, you know, like we need to show

458
00:26:23,221 --> 00:26:27,645
how important these folks are to everything that, you know, science is doing.

459
00:26:27,645 --> 00:26:31,011
So Yeah.

460
00:26:31,011 --> 00:26:31,820
I think that's what's great.

461
00:26:31,820 --> 00:26:32,651
I love that.

462
00:26:32,651 --> 00:26:37,987
'cause I think there's always something unexpected when it comes to podcasting, right?

463
00:26:38,088 --> 00:26:48,637
like when I first started, I think it took me a year before I published after I did
interviews because I was like I was petrified what people would think about what I

464
00:26:48,637 --> 00:26:49,068
was saying.

465
00:26:49,068 --> 00:26:50,199
Was I saying something wrong?

466
00:26:50,199 --> 00:26:50,759
Was I doing this?

467
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:51,700
Was I doing that?

468
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:53,802
And then I found out that people loved it.

469
00:26:53,802 --> 00:26:55,223
A lot of people loved it.

470
00:26:55,251 --> 00:26:55,989
That's awesome.

471
00:26:55,989 --> 00:26:59,330
my like colleagues and people like in the business, like, no, this is great.

472
00:26:59,330 --> 00:27:01,691
Like you covered my study.

473
00:27:01,691 --> 00:27:03,221
This is amazing.

474
00:27:03,221 --> 00:27:05,181
And it led to a lot of other things.

475
00:27:05,181 --> 00:27:07,162
And I think that was something that I did not

476
00:27:07,162 --> 00:27:08,619
expect, right?

477
00:27:08,619 --> 00:27:18,305
~ but definitely like the difficult part I find of podcasting, which I think a lot of
people it's the reason why a lot of people will do what we call pod fade and essentially

478
00:27:18,305 --> 00:27:19,895
do a couple of episodes or do like six

479
00:27:19,895 --> 00:27:24,366
or seven episodes and then drop down and fade away, is it's

480
00:27:24,646 --> 00:27:26,657
the logistics, especially if it's an interview

481
00:27:26,657 --> 00:27:29,147
show, the logistics is difficult.

482
00:27:29,187 --> 00:27:32,737
especially if you're working a full-time job like we you and I both do.

483
00:27:32,737 --> 00:27:33,649
~

484
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:41,591
and then it's trying to match up times, especially if you're doing two people, if you're
interviewing two people, matching up those times, getting people ready for like the

485
00:27:41,591 --> 00:27:43,831
technology, getting people comfortable.

486
00:27:43,931 --> 00:27:44,461
and then it's

487
00:27:44,461 --> 00:27:51,934
then there's also the after effect, the editing and putting it all together and making
sure audio levels are the same and trying to learn.

488
00:27:51,934 --> 00:27:54,224
Like I still don't know much about

489
00:27:54,298 --> 00:27:56,229
Audio and making sure it's perfect.

490
00:27:56,229 --> 00:27:58,540
When everybody's Andrew, how much time do you spend editing?

491
00:27:58,540 --> 00:28:00,911
Like, honestly, people, 10 minutes.

492
00:28:00,911 --> 00:28:02,361
And sometimes it shows.

493
00:28:02,361 --> 00:28:04,222
I'm gonna be honest here.

494
00:28:04,382 --> 00:28:06,413
It's yeah, and there

495
00:28:06,413 --> 00:28:12,055
are people who will spend three to four hours on an episode, and I get it, right?

496
00:28:12,055 --> 00:28:16,047
And I feel like every it this is what's beautiful about podcasting.

497
00:28:16,047 --> 00:28:18,218
It's everybody's choice, right?

498
00:28:18,218 --> 00:28:19,538
However you want to do.

499
00:28:19,538 --> 00:28:20,749
I think some people will

500
00:28:20,749 --> 00:28:23,676
do less or more ~ at a

501
00:28:23,676 --> 00:28:28,527
like less editing or more editing or more time or less time almost at a disadvantage to
themselves.

502
00:28:28,527 --> 00:28:31,648
Like there's been times where I've listened to show after.

503
00:28:31,706 --> 00:28:33,759
No, no, but even like for me, like there's

504
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:36,159
been times that I've looked, I'm like, I should have probably edit that better.

505
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:36,830
Like I should

506
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:39,000
have like, ooh, I repeated a word.

507
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,951
Yeah, no, I probably shouldn't have just, you know,

508
00:28:40,951 --> 00:28:41,681
done that.

509
00:28:41,681 --> 00:28:47,093
But, you know, I think the tough part is the continuing

510
00:28:47,093 --> 00:28:47,663
to do it.

511
00:28:47,663 --> 00:28:47,883
Right.

512
00:28:47,883 --> 00:28:49,685
Like you've done your first season.

513
00:28:49,685 --> 00:28:50,186
Yeah.

514
00:28:50,186 --> 00:28:52,489
~ how hard was it

515
00:28:52,489 --> 00:28:55,112
to like actually start on your second season.

516
00:28:55,112 --> 00:28:57,745
Cause I remember after your first season, like, I'm gonna come up with another one.

517
00:28:57,745 --> 00:29:05,925
Cause like I find that sometimes is a great reason to either procrastinate or to not start
up again and be like, you know what?

518
00:29:05,925 --> 00:29:06,726
I did one season.

519
00:29:06,726 --> 00:29:07,316
I'm fine.

520
00:29:07,316 --> 00:29:08,438
Like what gave

521
00:29:08,438 --> 00:29:12,586
you that motivation and how hard was it or did you find it hard to start up again?

522
00:29:12,586 --> 00:29:16,678
That's a really good question and the answer is like yes and no.

523
00:29:16,678 --> 00:29:17,839
~ there

524
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:20,881
was a like I talked to you in like January or

525
00:29:20,881 --> 00:29:23,282
February and I was like ready to rock.

526
00:29:23,282 --> 00:29:24,079
I was gung ho.

527
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:24,122
I

528
00:29:24,122 --> 00:29:33,007
was like, we're gonna do this and you know, coming off of the momentum and everybody just
supporting the hell out of me and ~ I think around that time is when I had a friend that

529
00:29:33,007 --> 00:29:35,368
jumped in and started helping with social media.

530
00:29:35,368 --> 00:29:42,136
So you know, there was just a lot more traffic on LinkedIn, you know, people I

531
00:29:42,146 --> 00:29:43,556
this gonna sound terrible.

532
00:29:43,957 --> 00:29:47,898
But LinkedIn is a lot, it's this is probably actually not a surprise at all to people.

533
00:29:47,898 --> 00:29:53,640
LinkedIn is very easy to look like you know what you're talking about when you don't, or
like you're a seasoned professional when you're not.

534
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,821
And I think I was

535
00:29:54,821 --> 00:29:56,371
riding a little bit of that high.

536
00:29:56,371 --> 00:29:58,422
Like people were like, man, like that's really taken off.

537
00:29:58,422 --> 00:30:01,353
I'm like, that's just because you saw a post of mine this week and last week.

538
00:30:01,353 --> 00:30:02,583
Like, I don't know.

539
00:30:02,583 --> 00:30:03,083
But

540
00:30:03,083 --> 00:30:03,618
right.

541
00:30:03,618 --> 00:30:04,322
You are so

542
00:30:04,322 --> 00:30:04,880
right.

543
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,602
know, so and you know, I'll take it.

544
00:30:06,602 --> 00:30:17,421
But yeah, ~ I wanted to jump in right away and I got this amazing team because I I went to
a I I don't I think I put a thing out on my like personal Instagram and I was like, hey,

545
00:30:17,421 --> 00:30:23,857
so this is more than I have bitten off more than I can chew, but there's momentum, people
care about this, I really need help.

546
00:30:23,857 --> 00:30:28,200
~ you know, obviously I can't pay you, but you know, let's figure something out, let's
talk.

547
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,848
And I totally expected crickets, you know, sometimes you just

548
00:30:31,848 --> 00:30:33,269
talked about that, yeah.

549
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:37,331
Sometimes I just yap on my Instagram and I think it just goes out into the void.

550
00:30:37,331 --> 00:30:38,181
Does anyone hear it?

551
00:30:38,181 --> 00:30:38,829
I don't know.

552
00:30:38,829 --> 00:30:39,812
And you know, nobody

553
00:30:39,812 --> 00:30:41,803
owes you anything, you know, for this kind of stuff.

554
00:30:41,803 --> 00:30:42,264
So whatever.

555
00:30:42,264 --> 00:30:52,038
But for whatever reason, ~ I went to present about the podcast, which like ~ it's another
thing that I never thought I would do after one season, being kind of on the perfectionist

556
00:30:52,038 --> 00:30:54,860
end of the editing spectrum you were just talking about.

557
00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:02,543
And that opened up so many doors and ~ I ended up meeting this guy that ~ does video and

558
00:31:03,314 --> 00:31:10,717
In a Portland coffee shop, because that's where the conference was, and he is literally
from the next town over for me, like five minutes away.

559
00:31:10,717 --> 00:31:12,344
what are the chances,

560
00:31:12,344 --> 00:31:21,639
And so he's like, No, I need ~ you know, I need the the kind of resume fodder right now
because I've been here doing this, but I want to expand out into doing this more and this

561
00:31:21,639 --> 00:31:22,559
is gonna give me a chance.

562
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,450
And I was like, Okay, but you know what I can't pay you, right?

563
00:31:25,450 --> 00:31:26,651
And he was like, No, nope that's fine.

564
00:31:26,651 --> 00:31:34,875
I was like, But I can help you, you know, I do a lot of ~ science communications like
career coaching stuff unofficially and like get me a resume, let's see what you can, you

565
00:31:34,875 --> 00:31:38,086
know, what are some of the job descriptions that are dream jobs for you?

566
00:31:38,086 --> 00:31:41,558
Like let's take a look at the language, let's take a look at the formatting, let's

567
00:31:41,558 --> 00:31:45,802
you know, get you into ~ introduced to you to folks that I know, whatever.

568
00:31:45,802 --> 00:31:49,515
So that's been a good system so far and he's just he's amazing.

569
00:31:49,515 --> 00:31:51,126
He just cranks out stuff like crazy.

570
00:31:51,126 --> 00:31:53,287
And so ~ all this to say

571
00:31:53,812 --> 00:31:55,583
Then suddenly I had this group working for me.

572
00:31:55,583 --> 00:32:00,425
So you would think that that would mean like, let's go, like, machine gun out the content.

573
00:32:00,425 --> 00:32:08,399
But actually it's been really tricky getting folks scheduled and then also making sure I'm
being, you know, diligent with their time.

574
00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:10,420
~ you know, being respectful of their time.

575
00:32:10,420 --> 00:32:11,680
So having my ducks

576
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,652
in a row before I ask them what I need, you know, not just

577
00:32:14,652 --> 00:32:14,982
Yeah.

578
00:32:14,982 --> 00:32:23,786
kind of spraying at them wish list stuff, but actually like, okay, by this time next week,
let's do X, Y, and Z and what do you need from me?

579
00:32:23,786 --> 00:32:25,176
And let's have a way of communicating.

580
00:32:25,176 --> 00:32:27,427
So it ended up being a good thing.

581
00:32:27,427 --> 00:32:29,907
I wanted to be back on the airwaves.

582
00:32:29,907 --> 00:32:31,608
I don't think we call them that.

583
00:32:31,908 --> 00:32:37,429
By like, sure, the pod waves, by like March.

584
00:32:37,809 --> 00:32:38,930
And I had like

585
00:32:38,930 --> 00:32:49,512
one interview scheduled or done by then, but ~ it ended up being like actually a I think
almost exactly a year to the day that I released.

586
00:32:49,811 --> 00:32:53,373
episode or sorry, season two's trailer, which is crazy.

587
00:32:53,373 --> 00:32:55,214
And I think it worked out exactly the way it needed to.

588
00:32:55,214 --> 00:33:01,148
Because 'cause there was time in there where I was like I don't wanna work on that today.

589
00:33:01,148 --> 00:33:06,911
Like I would have literally rather organize my linen closet right now than work on podcast
stuff.

590
00:33:06,911 --> 00:33:08,282
You know, I think

591
00:33:08,734 --> 00:33:17,231
that kind of forcing yourself to do something that's a creative venture that's coming from
a place of wanting to do good is gonna that's how you burn out on it, you know?

592
00:33:17,231 --> 00:33:18,691
Like that's how

593
00:33:18,692 --> 00:33:20,433
you make your you get sick of it.

594
00:33:20,433 --> 00:33:30,381
Especially as an ADHD person who has probably a room full of supplies for crafts that I
was gonna do and then immediately stopped the second I got all the stuff for it.

595
00:33:30,381 --> 00:33:30,822
yeah.

596
00:33:30,822 --> 00:33:33,643
So how I guess I

597
00:33:34,676 --> 00:33:41,453
bulletproofed myself from doing that was by forcing myself to kinda take it easy and take
a break and work on it when I had the motivation

598
00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:42,704
and not when I didn't.

599
00:33:42,704 --> 00:33:44,726
~ and it worked out.

600
00:33:44,726 --> 00:33:46,127
It just ended up working out really well.

601
00:33:46,127 --> 00:33:46,887
So

602
00:33:47,516 --> 00:33:49,807
Yeah, so interesting story.

603
00:33:49,807 --> 00:33:54,330
I just found out well I'm going through the process of doing testing for ADHD.

604
00:33:54,330 --> 00:33:54,640
Right.

605
00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:00,873
So I'm like in that I'm in that process, which has ~ well and it and it's

606
00:34:00,873 --> 00:34:07,587
to be honest though, like it's completely changed the way I think of approaching life and
approaching tasks and things like that.

607
00:34:07,587 --> 00:34:16,594
Cause there have been many a days where I'm like I got a batch record five episodes and
I'm sitting here watching stuff on like TikTok on my phone, being like

608
00:34:16,594 --> 00:34:18,255
All right, it's ten o'clock at night.

609
00:34:18,255 --> 00:34:20,206
You've been doing this for two hours.

610
00:34:20,206 --> 00:34:22,097
Wow, where did those go?

611
00:34:22,157 --> 00:34:26,699
And you need to punch out five episodes and you're tired and you're doing

612
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:26,990
this.

613
00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:28,681
And it's almost like, okay.

614
00:34:28,681 --> 00:34:36,255
So it like I felt for me for podcasting ~ is you gotta have workflows.

615
00:34:36,255 --> 00:34:37,845
Like you gotta structure

616
00:34:37,845 --> 00:34:46,640
it to be like, okay, so here and then I also thought, let's make I like I started to come
into a point where I'm like, I gotta make this as easy as possible.

617
00:34:47,113 --> 00:34:50,624
To make sure that people are scheduled.

618
00:34:50,624 --> 00:34:53,464
Like not I don't have to do the little steps, right?

619
00:34:53,464 --> 00:34:59,826
Like now pretty much everything is ~ automated and it could be automated like in terms of
scheduling and stuff like that.

620
00:34:59,826 --> 00:35:01,276
Callendly link for me.

621
00:35:01,276 --> 00:35:01,806
So if somebody

622
00:35:01,806 --> 00:35:04,407
wants to do it, here are my availabilities.

623
00:35:04,407 --> 00:35:04,927
You click

624
00:35:04,927 --> 00:35:05,707
on that.

625
00:35:05,707 --> 00:35:10,843
You know, now I'm gonna get a link sent out for people automatically so I don't update it
last minute like I did with you.

626
00:35:10,843 --> 00:35:13,819
And you know, but like but it's just like and it's

627
00:35:13,819 --> 00:35:16,420
like, I wanted to make it as easy as possible

628
00:35:16,420 --> 00:35:17,162
for

629
00:35:17,162 --> 00:35:17,812
things to come in.

630
00:35:17,812 --> 00:35:21,275
And I feel like that's like the biggest tip I give people is like put the workflows
together.

631
00:35:21,275 --> 00:35:23,006
Once you figure them out, and that might

632
00:35:23,006 --> 00:35:28,989
take time, but once you figure that keep that structure, then it makes it a lot easier
when you do it.

633
00:35:28,989 --> 00:35:29,299
Right.

634
00:35:29,299 --> 00:35:31,911
And I think ~ it becomes tough.

635
00:35:31,911 --> 00:35:34,192
Like everything new is tougher.

636
00:35:34,232 --> 00:35:34,623
Everything

637
00:35:34,623 --> 00:35:36,814
like you do new, like season one, great.

638
00:35:36,814 --> 00:35:38,195
Season two is tougher.

639
00:35:38,195 --> 00:35:38,645
You know, because

640
00:35:38,645 --> 00:35:41,077
you're trying to improve on things, you know, that

641
00:35:41,077 --> 00:35:43,656
you want to improve internally and you're like, oh maybe I could

642
00:35:43,656 --> 00:35:46,047
do better in terms of prepping for interviews or things like that.

643
00:35:46,047 --> 00:35:47,688
Like that's how I always think.

644
00:35:47,688 --> 00:35:53,390
And then I'll be like, now I'm starting to do like I'm trying to get into like mini
documentaries on certain things that I have I'm

645
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:54,350
thinking of.

646
00:35:54,350 --> 00:35:57,572
And I've got interviews done for this one that I'm working on.

647
00:35:57,572 --> 00:36:00,673
Do you think I could actually record like the narrative on it?

648
00:36:02,294 --> 00:36:03,534
I been on it for two months.

649
00:36:03,534 --> 00:36:04,194
And I'm like, it's

650
00:36:04,194 --> 00:36:06,325
almost at a point where I'm like, am I really gonna do this?

651
00:36:06,325 --> 00:36:06,876
So

652
00:36:06,876 --> 00:36:07,536
I get it.

653
00:36:07,536 --> 00:36:11,257
Like it's difficult to help, but I find putting that work function in and and being able

654
00:36:11,257 --> 00:36:12,147
to do it

655
00:36:13,316 --> 00:36:14,157
Is pretty easy.

656
00:36:14,157 --> 00:36:14,827
But I

657
00:36:14,827 --> 00:36:20,553
want to go like back to I think a lot of people when they see me doing podcasts, they see
you doing podcast.

658
00:36:20,553 --> 00:36:27,979
I completely agree with your LinkedIn sort of theory where I did this for a while where I
wasn't posting social clips.

659
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,884
Like so I just did the podcast, edit it, publish it,

660
00:36:31,884 --> 00:36:32,984
perfect.

661
00:36:33,245 --> 00:36:36,668
Well, now using like this software Riverside, they give you

662
00:36:36,668 --> 00:36:38,675
these clips, and I'm like,

663
00:36:38,675 --> 00:36:39,515
This is kind of cool.

664
00:36:39,515 --> 00:36:41,236
Well, maybe I can start putting out these clips.

665
00:36:41,236 --> 00:36:43,106
I had an editor and I'm like, you know what?

666
00:36:43,106 --> 00:36:44,686
We're taking a little break on YouTube.

667
00:36:44,686 --> 00:36:47,257
So why don't you edit these clips for me?

668
00:36:47,257 --> 00:36:52,258
So I'm putting out two clips like a day, like on the weekday.

669
00:36:52,398 --> 00:36:55,529
And it started to hit my LinkedIn and it was going LinkedIn, LinkedIn, LinkedIn.

670
00:36:55,529 --> 00:37:02,321
And then what I did and when I my other job that I was working at before I got this job
was I was just in a software company.

671
00:37:02,321 --> 00:37:06,762
And, you know, everybody it was a tech software, so everybody's on LinkedIn anyway.

672
00:37:06,762 --> 00:37:08,892
And they started to notice like Andrew.

673
00:37:08,892 --> 00:37:10,573
Man, you're really pushing this podcast thing.

674
00:37:10,573 --> 00:37:11,743
I'm like, well, I'll be honest.

675
00:37:11,743 --> 00:37:14,141
I've been doing the podcast for like 10 years.

676
00:37:14,141 --> 00:37:14,725
Right.

677
00:37:14,725 --> 00:37:16,765
I just never posted about it.

678
00:37:17,026 --> 00:37:18,726
And because I just never had the time.

679
00:37:18,726 --> 00:37:19,667
And now I have an editor

680
00:37:19,667 --> 00:37:20,277
doing these things.

681
00:37:20,277 --> 00:37:22,438
And they're like, wow, I really like your stuff.

682
00:37:22,438 --> 00:37:25,849
And like all like I every like was like from people in my company.

683
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:26,950
And I'm just like, Well,

684
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:28,040
this is interesting.

685
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,371
I'm like, but it's true.

686
00:37:29,371 --> 00:37:32,312
Like the people think it's like, you talk about a lot of really interesting things.

687
00:37:32,312 --> 00:37:35,168
I'm like, have you watched the podcast or listened to the podcast?

688
00:37:35,168 --> 00:37:36,294
They're like, oh no.

689
00:37:36,294 --> 00:37:37,175
No, I don't have time for that.

690
00:37:37,175 --> 00:37:38,745
But they listen to those little clips.

691
00:37:38,745 --> 00:37:39,936
So it really makes

692
00:37:39,936 --> 00:37:40,547
you pop out.

693
00:37:40,547 --> 00:37:46,970
It makes people think that you're this like popular guru of the topic that you're talking
of.

694
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:57,296
And then I look at my stats, I'm like, like, no, I'm not the Joe Rogan of marine science
or things like that, which in a way it's good and in a way it's bad.

695
00:37:57,296 --> 00:37:58,046
But

696
00:37:58,587 --> 00:38:03,930
like the you know, going back to the Joe Rogan comment we made earlier, we kind of said,
you know, the

697
00:38:03,930 --> 00:38:09,853
interesting thing I think a lot of people think about Joe Rogan is like that he's a genius
from podcasting.

698
00:38:09,853 --> 00:38:12,214
Not necessarily the topics that he's done.

699
00:38:12,214 --> 00:38:13,954
And I think because he gets the most.

700
00:38:13,954 --> 00:38:15,675
He still gets the most.

701
00:38:15,675 --> 00:38:17,606
You know, according to all the stats,

702
00:38:17,606 --> 00:38:22,398
he still gets millions per episode, whether you like the topic or not.

703
00:38:22,398 --> 00:38:22,718
Right.

704
00:38:22,718 --> 00:38:24,159
It doesn't matter what he talks about.

705
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:28,000
He's still the highest downloaded podcaster that's around.

706
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:28,401
and

707
00:38:28,401 --> 00:38:32,342
what was interesting, I think at the Golden Globes, they had a podcasting category.

708
00:38:32,771 --> 00:38:38,213
And they were like there was a podcasting award and Amy Polar won for her podcast, which
was interesting.

709
00:38:38,213 --> 00:38:39,294
hang, right?

710
00:38:39,294 --> 00:38:44,397
Yeah, I like her podcast, but it was I think it was active for like six months, you know,
and

711
00:38:44,397 --> 00:38:52,191
it's popular, but you're just like, there's no way that's as popular as like in terms of
download numbers as Joe Rogan or even

712
00:38:52,191 --> 00:38:55,871
other podcasts that were in it, like Caller Daddy or things like that.

713
00:38:55,871 --> 00:38:56,463
Yeah.

714
00:38:56,463 --> 00:39:02,296
And I was like, and somebody asked Joe Rogan about it's like, how like what'd you how'd
you find like

715
00:39:02,664 --> 00:39:03,734
you didn't even enter the category.

716
00:39:03,734 --> 00:39:05,114
Like, do you find that insulting?

717
00:39:05,114 --> 00:39:05,996
He's like, No.

718
00:39:05,996 --> 00:39:10,618
He's like, Because these awards they wanted me to enter for fifteen thousand dollars.

719
00:39:10,899 --> 00:39:13,950
He's like, I don't need to know that I'm the most popular podcast.

720
00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:16,792
I don't need an award to say that I get

721
00:39:16,792 --> 00:39:17,762
big numbers.

722
00:39:17,762 --> 00:39:29,411
Like it's that's and if you ever get like when you know, as you get more into more in your
seasons and they start these award things start to come out to you, you'll know it's like,

723
00:39:29,411 --> 00:39:31,880
you to pay like eight hundred dollars to enter.

724
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,681
To tell you that you're a good, yeah.

725
00:39:33,681 --> 00:39:36,274
And so you're like, well, that's why a lot of people aren't going.

726
00:39:36,274 --> 00:39:43,069
So it's not ~ an award show to say, hey, this is the quote unquote best on whatever
measurement they use.

727
00:39:43,069 --> 00:39:45,981
It's just more of like, are you willing to pay to go in and then people will just vote?

728
00:39:45,981 --> 00:39:50,505
And then it's like, how popular can you get your audience to vote for you and all that
kind of stuff?

729
00:39:50,685 --> 00:39:55,649
But the thing is with Joe Rogan is like he's not a genius podcaster.

730
00:39:56,170 --> 00:39:58,101
You know, like he doesn't game the system.

731
00:39:58,101 --> 00:40:00,523
Yeah, he doesn't look at podcast SEO.

732
00:40:00,523 --> 00:40:01,928
I don't think he ever did.

733
00:40:01,928 --> 00:40:02,318
He doesn't

734
00:40:02,318 --> 00:40:03,839
look at like the keywords.

735
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:04,979
He doesn't look at that.

736
00:40:04,979 --> 00:40:08,941
He is a guy who started from the beginning, pretty much from the beginning.

737
00:40:08,941 --> 00:40:12,032
I remember, I remember

738
00:40:12,032 --> 00:40:13,983
listening to a podcast.

739
00:40:13,983 --> 00:40:17,664
It was a live taping in an auditorium for him.

740
00:40:18,085 --> 00:40:20,366
And it was before he was really popular.

741
00:40:20,366 --> 00:40:22,677
And you could hear the echo in the auditorium.

742
00:40:22,677 --> 00:40:26,768
You can hear it's in front of a live audience, but it was a small live audience.

743
00:40:26,768 --> 00:40:27,158
And his

744
00:40:27,158 --> 00:40:31,490
sponsorship was like a sexual prosthetic.

745
00:40:31,815 --> 00:40:32,315
Essentially.

746
00:40:32,315 --> 00:40:34,055
That was his sponsor.

747
00:40:34,096 --> 00:40:35,016
Right.

748
00:40:36,316 --> 00:40:37,016
Yeah.

749
00:40:37,016 --> 00:40:37,326
And it

750
00:40:37,326 --> 00:40:39,337
was kind of like before he got even popular.

751
00:40:39,337 --> 00:40:41,978
I think he had done Fear Factor before and all

752
00:40:41,978 --> 00:40:42,608
that kind of stuff.

753
00:40:42,608 --> 00:40:43,628
So people knew who he was.

754
00:40:43,628 --> 00:40:44,938
He was a comedian.

755
00:40:44,938 --> 00:40:49,980
And so people knew a little bit of what he was, but they didn't really know like the way
they know him now.

756
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,780
And he I don't know if he was more controversial back then.

757
00:40:52,780 --> 00:40:58,945
I didn't listen to him a lot, but like he had a couple of interviews that I always liked
because he like he interviewed sports guys and things like that.

758
00:40:58,945 --> 00:41:00,102
Sure, sure.

759
00:41:00,124 --> 00:41:03,436
But I remember he did an interview about 10 years ago.

760
00:41:03,436 --> 00:41:07,996
It was actually Caitlin Collins, who was on the Hill and she was doing a podcast with this
as

761
00:41:07,996 --> 00:41:13,892
a guy, I forget his name, and they interviewed him and they were asking him a bunch of
stuff, like how did you know when to go?

762
00:41:13,892 --> 00:41:16,473
Like 20 minutes was like the time for podcasts.

763
00:41:16,473 --> 00:41:16,934
That was it.

764
00:41:16,934 --> 00:41:20,205
You don't have more than 20 minutes and then you did three hours.

765
00:41:20,205 --> 00:41:22,417
Like, what was the genius move that led you to that?

766
00:41:22,417 --> 00:41:25,148
And he's like, I just like to talk.

767
00:41:25,529 --> 00:41:25,879
I like

768
00:41:25,879 --> 00:41:28,498
to have conversations with people, and we just recorded it.

769
00:41:28,498 --> 00:41:34,041
He's like, we were to record the 20 minutes or a half hour, an hour, and then we would
continue to talk.

770
00:41:34,041 --> 00:41:37,073
So I just decided, why don't I just record the entire conversation?

771
00:41:37,073 --> 00:41:38,794
And then that's where this

772
00:41:38,794 --> 00:41:39,985
conversation is gonna go.

773
00:41:39,985 --> 00:41:41,666
So let's just have everybody listen

774
00:41:41,666 --> 00:41:42,386
to it.

775
00:41:42,386 --> 00:41:49,830
And the way he got popular was to do that consistently, because he does it like I don't
even know how many times he posts now, but he was doing it like two, three times a week.

776
00:41:50,091 --> 00:41:53,753
But then he also like talked to celebrities and all these different people.

777
00:41:53,753 --> 00:41:56,324
And even if you hated it.

778
00:41:56,338 --> 00:41:59,820
You were like hate the person he was interviewing, you were watching it because you were
interested in it.

779
00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:00,260
You know, and he

780
00:42:00,260 --> 00:42:06,503
had all these different people and it's a podcast about conversations, and that's what he
likes to have.

781
00:42:06,503 --> 00:42:07,373
You could argue

782
00:42:07,373 --> 00:42:12,785
whether he's good at having conversations, you can argue whether he has the right take or
wrong takes on things.

783
00:42:12,785 --> 00:42:14,166
~

784
00:42:14,506 --> 00:42:21,109
we all have our opinions, and I'm like a lot of the times I'm on the opposite side of him
in terms of what he thinks

785
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:23,050
politically and things like that.

786
00:42:23,133 --> 00:42:24,241
Absolutely.

787
00:42:24,579 --> 00:42:25,399
That's what he does.

788
00:42:25,399 --> 00:42:29,051
And I think that's what people lose that

789
00:42:29,051 --> 00:42:34,094
in when they do the podcast is like the fun of having a conversation.

790
00:42:34,094 --> 00:42:34,955
And

791
00:42:34,955 --> 00:42:38,727
I feel like you do that really, really well when you talk

792
00:42:38,727 --> 00:42:39,322
to your people.

793
00:42:39,322 --> 00:42:43,178
I feel like I'm a fly on the wall listening to the conversation.

794
00:42:43,178 --> 00:42:50,834
And I'm gonna ask you, like people ask Joe Rogan, like, what's your approach like when you
do the interview?

795
00:42:50,834 --> 00:42:51,944
Because I think

796
00:42:51,944 --> 00:43:03,990
There's something to it to like that makes your guests relax, but also makes it really
easy to listen as a podcast, like whether I'm cooking or walking the dogs or things like

797
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:04,190
that.

798
00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:06,494
So like what's your approach in that way?

799
00:43:06,494 --> 00:43:15,055
Man, that's a great question 'cause I don't know that I've ever broken it down to a
methodology, but I think ~ my career as a communications person, I talk to a lot of

800
00:43:15,055 --> 00:43:25,547
scientific experts on camera about what they're doing so we can turn it into a YouTube
video for the institution, you know, and every single time I get

801
00:43:25,958 --> 00:43:37,086
folks who are again scientists, unless you're talking to Neil deGrasse Tyson, like unless
you're talking to someone who's used to being the face of line of research or an

802
00:43:37,086 --> 00:43:45,681
institution or something like that, you're getting someone that isn't used to being on
camera and they're not used to having, you know, the bright light and the boom mic and all

803
00:43:45,681 --> 00:43:46,222
that stuff.

804
00:43:46,222 --> 00:43:48,683
So ~ there's a little bit of

805
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:53,612
you know, anxiety about like the unknown, the uncertainty, right?

806
00:43:53,612 --> 00:43:54,982
Scientists like it's

807
00:43:54,982 --> 00:43:56,053
all about uncertainty.

808
00:43:56,053 --> 00:44:07,800
And so what I try to do beforehand is answer as many of those questions as I can, without,
you know, presuming too much or being patronizing, like saying, you know, ~

809
00:44:08,286 --> 00:44:09,318
This is what you should wear.

810
00:44:09,318 --> 00:44:15,737
You know, don't wear any bright colors or any, or, you know, if we're gonna be in front of
a green screen, don't wear green, you know, that kind of thing.

811
00:44:15,737 --> 00:44:17,539
And I try to inject some humor into it.

812
00:44:17,539 --> 00:44:19,041
Like you're a person, I'm a person, whatever.

813
00:44:19,041 --> 00:44:25,419
~ and then ~ I think the biggest tip that I would have is I send my

814
00:44:25,616 --> 00:44:33,399
list of questions ahead of time to them and I make it very clear like listen these are
questions that I would like to ask.

815
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:36,661
We may not get to all of them we may not go in order.

816
00:44:36,661 --> 00:44:41,433
I will have them up as we talk but ~ you know we're gonna just see where the conversation
takes us.

817
00:44:41,433 --> 00:44:53,609
And that I think puts out like I don't know 60% of the anxiety flames because I think in a
world of podcast clips especially like scientists can be very ~ anyone anyone not just

818
00:44:53,609 --> 00:44:55,493
scientists but especially because of the

819
00:44:55,493 --> 00:45:04,890
like you know misinformation and disinformation out there scientists especially can be
very cagey about well what are you gonna clip me saying you know what are you gonna get me

820
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:15,827
to talk about that you're gonna gotcha moment you know for a viral kind of thing and it's
like first of all thank you so much for thinking that I can make a clip go viral ~ but

821
00:45:15,827 --> 00:45:16,860
ha ha ha.

822
00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:25,836
you know let's put our feet back on the ground here and realize that like it's only for so
much I'll even joke at my own expense and be like look we have 45

823
00:45:26,107 --> 00:45:27,828
subscribers on our YouTube right now.

824
00:45:27,828 --> 00:45:30,049
It's really not that big a deal, you know, whatever.

825
00:45:30,049 --> 00:45:36,994
And actually I will schedule a call ahead of time and say, ask me every question you have.

826
00:45:36,994 --> 00:45:42,968
We can meet in this platform because I use Riverside too and you know you can see the
setup.

827
00:45:42,968 --> 00:45:46,800
And I think I had my like I have the purple light on right now, but I had the regular
light on.

828
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,432
I was like that plant, you know, it's a litter box.

829
00:45:49,432 --> 00:45:51,513
This is like the other day just like I was talking

830
00:45:51,513 --> 00:45:55,326
to a badass woman who I'm gonna have on my podcast.

831
00:45:55,326 --> 00:46:09,198
this season who is a ~ dive supervisor and team lead for a ~ marine ~ like ~ I have to
it's called Highline it's out of Alaska anyway

832
00:46:09,198 --> 00:46:11,640
anyway she's awesome and she was just like

833
00:46:12,158 --> 00:46:13,018
What am I doing?

834
00:46:13,018 --> 00:46:16,959
You know, because her boss was the one that kind of was like, I think Joe will be great
for this.

835
00:46:16,959 --> 00:46:17,969
And I was like,

836
00:46:17,969 --> 00:46:20,000
Do you want to call and talk first?

837
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,072
And kind of see and I think they just need to suss me out and see that like I don't have

838
00:46:24,072 --> 00:46:29,703
this clipboard where I'm going, question number one, and then scribbling down an answer
and then question number four.

839
00:46:29,703 --> 00:46:32,734
Like she even said she's like, Well, I'm bad at interviewing.

840
00:46:33,204 --> 00:46:36,195
I'm like getting a job is really hard sometimes because I'm just really bad.

841
00:46:36,195 --> 00:46:37,676
I was like, No, no, no, we're not testing you.

842
00:46:37,676 --> 00:46:38,696
This isn't

843
00:46:38,931 --> 00:46:39,721
Me testing

844
00:46:39,721 --> 00:46:41,902
your knowledge, like I just want to talk to you and figure it out.

845
00:46:41,902 --> 00:46:44,723
And before you know it, we're on this like test call.

846
00:46:44,764 --> 00:46:54,158
She's in her truck, because her husband drove her and her little boy to the grocery store
and she had was like, I didn't realize it was California time and not Alaska time and so

847
00:46:54,158 --> 00:46:54,948
blah blah blah.

848
00:46:54,948 --> 00:46:58,079
So she's all nervous and I was like, Whatever, dude, like let's just hang out.

849
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,930
And she's telling me all these amazing stories.

850
00:47:01,051 --> 00:47:02,611
And I was like, Okay, timeout.

851
00:47:02,611 --> 00:47:08,264
You just said you're not good at interviews, and I just want you to keep yapping right
now, except for I'm not recording.

852
00:47:08,264 --> 00:47:08,884
So like

853
00:47:08,884 --> 00:47:13,715
Just know that this is exactly what it's gonna be when we do sit to record.

854
00:47:13,715 --> 00:47:14,775
There's no

855
00:47:14,775 --> 00:47:17,236
studio audience, you know, there's no gong.

856
00:47:17,236 --> 00:47:19,576
I'm not gonna like play you off or anything like that.

857
00:47:19,576 --> 00:47:27,558
Like it's just you and me hanging out, and I'll edit out all of my ums and ahs, and you
know, times where I lose what I'm saying in the middle of a sentence, because that happens

858
00:47:27,558 --> 00:47:29,218
a lot now, over 40.

859
00:47:31,619 --> 00:47:32,459
Yeah, no.

860
00:47:32,459 --> 00:47:33,439
Woo!

861
00:47:34,439 --> 00:47:35,760
Words, what are words?

862
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,329
~ yeah, so

863
00:47:37,329 --> 00:47:38,400
saying?

864
00:47:38,526 --> 00:47:38,946
You know,

865
00:47:38,946 --> 00:47:39,817
where was I going with this?

866
00:47:39,817 --> 00:47:45,849
So this was just literally Saturday that I did this, that I did this kind of like trial
run, like, check it out, this

867
00:47:45,849 --> 00:47:47,230
is how it's gonna be, you know, whatever.

868
00:47:47,230 --> 00:47:49,561
And she did so amazing.

869
00:47:49,561 --> 00:47:57,654
You know, she's one that doesn't strike me as ~ you know, on YouTube a lot, like just
online a lot, because she's either underwater or she's making sure

870
00:47:57,654 --> 00:48:00,846
her folks get home safe, you know, and then she's got a little boy.

871
00:48:00,846 --> 00:48:01,706
So

872
00:48:01,730 --> 00:48:02,722
For sure.

873
00:48:02,787 --> 00:48:05,897
I don't know if that answers your question, but that's about it.

874
00:48:05,897 --> 00:48:06,327
No,

875
00:48:06,327 --> 00:48:07,239
no, it definitely does.

876
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,091
Because I think everybody has their own process, right?

877
00:48:09,091 --> 00:48:09,921
And I think we

878
00:48:09,921 --> 00:48:11,352
learn as we go through.

879
00:48:11,352 --> 00:48:14,765
You know, I feel like the comfort of the guests is the biggest thing.

880
00:48:14,765 --> 00:48:18,498
You know, there are some people who come on, like you said, they've never been interviewed
before.

881
00:48:18,498 --> 00:48:20,543
They're not normally in the spotlight.

882
00:48:20,543 --> 00:48:24,914
These are the reasons why they're on the podcast, for especially for you, and the reason
why you want to talk to them.

883
00:48:24,914 --> 00:48:30,008
~ and I think it's just one of those things where they're just sitting there and just
like, okay, I'm a little nervous.

884
00:48:30,008 --> 00:48:30,979
I don't know what to expect.

885
00:48:30,979 --> 00:48:32,240
I've never done one before.

886
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:33,766
Having that pre interview.

887
00:48:33,766 --> 00:48:40,158
interview is perfect because it just it gives you the time to vibe with that person and
they're just like, okay, cool.

888
00:48:40,158 --> 00:48:41,188
Like I'm ready for this.

889
00:48:41,188 --> 00:48:42,239
This is just like this

890
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:42,929
is a conversation.

891
00:48:42,929 --> 00:48:50,431
You're not in front of anybody, you know, you don't even have to watch after because you
know, nobody likes to hear their own voice or watch themselves watching.

892
00:48:50,431 --> 00:48:51,872
Even like the best actors

893
00:48:51,872 --> 00:48:55,773
in the world still don't like to watch their own movies if they don't have to.

894
00:48:55,773 --> 00:48:57,626
It's like the worst thing that they have to do.

895
00:48:57,626 --> 00:48:58,646
~

896
00:48:58,747 --> 00:49:04,921
Yeah, so I think that's the biggest part and I think the way you're doing it is perfect
and it's an evolution, right?

897
00:49:04,921 --> 00:49:13,646
Of trying to you know, you're meeting different personalities and everyone's a little
different, a little unique in how they get comfortable and I think that's the fun part of

898
00:49:13,987 --> 00:49:14,657
podcasting.

899
00:49:14,657 --> 00:49:16,859
And it's a lot of fun and where we can go.

900
00:49:16,859 --> 00:49:17,139
Yeah.

901
00:49:17,139 --> 00:49:17,889
So

902
00:49:17,969 --> 00:49:20,996
fun wait, I have a funny story actually now that you mention it.

903
00:49:20,996 --> 00:49:22,644
So now that I have a video guy

904
00:49:22,644 --> 00:49:26,596
The first episode of season two, again, coming soon.

905
00:49:26,596 --> 00:49:27,536
~ it'll

906
00:49:27,536 --> 00:49:29,067
be dropping on August 14th.

907
00:49:29,067 --> 00:49:32,366
~ we did an in-person interview for the first time.

908
00:49:32,366 --> 00:49:34,809
Like, as you know, we talk to people all over the place.

909
00:49:34,809 --> 00:49:37,070
So we do remote interviews, and

910
00:49:37,070 --> 00:49:47,125
I just happen I'm the luckiest girl in all the world because I'm at the dog park one day,
two years ago, maybe a year and a half ago, and this gentleman comes in and he's got a

911
00:49:47,125 --> 00:49:48,625
NASA bomber jacket on.

912
00:49:48,625 --> 00:49:50,516
And it's not like I was like,

913
00:49:50,612 --> 00:49:52,046
You can't get that one at Target.

914
00:49:52,046 --> 00:49:52,955
Like that

915
00:49:52,955 --> 00:49:55,194
Yeah, it's a special place.

916
00:49:56,163 --> 00:49:56,970
Yeah.

917
00:49:56,970 --> 00:50:01,342
And so I ended up talking to him and and turns out ~ he works in NASA.

918
00:50:01,342 --> 00:50:06,114
I think I didn't wanna pester him too much because he was very kind of like stand not
standoffish.

919
00:50:06,114 --> 00:50:11,386
He was just he was shy and he you know, new person and I'm we're extroverts, you know,
like hi, what are you doing?

920
00:50:11,386 --> 00:50:13,397
Tell me your life story.

921
00:50:13,397 --> 00:50:15,919
~

922
00:50:15,919 --> 00:50:17,933
I'm gonna be in your bubble with you.

923
00:50:17,933 --> 00:50:18,683
Ha

924
00:50:20,521 --> 00:50:22,372
and so it took a few months,

925
00:50:22,372 --> 00:50:23,502
but ~ I had

926
00:50:23,502 --> 00:50:29,415
Started hatching this idea for the podcast last summer and I'd started being like, you
know, maybe I should do it.

927
00:50:29,415 --> 00:50:29,828
I don't know.

928
00:50:29,828 --> 00:50:34,903
And I don't know about you, but when I have an idea for something, I start talking to
other people about it.

929
00:50:34,903 --> 00:50:36,465
And I start like, what do you think about this?

930
00:50:36,465 --> 00:50:38,156
Like, you know, exactly.

931
00:50:38,156 --> 00:50:41,999
And so it was he was there at the door park one day, and I was like, so

932
00:50:42,261 --> 00:50:46,523
I would ask you, because you're a NASA person and you know, for all that I know, he could
have been a scientist.

933
00:50:46,523 --> 00:50:47,383
I don't know.

934
00:50:47,383 --> 00:50:55,307
scientists come in all shapes and sizes, but he is definitely a, you know, muscular
bearded, tattooed, tough looking guy.

935
00:50:55,307 --> 00:50:56,587
So I should have figured this too.

936
00:50:56,587 --> 00:50:58,978
He was like, I think that's a great idea.

937
00:50:58,978 --> 00:51:00,549
That's like that's exactly what I do.

938
00:51:00,549 --> 00:51:12,254
And I was like, go on, you know, and it turns out he is the actually he's leaving NASA for
a new job this week, but he is the ~ facilities and operations director

939
00:51:12,254 --> 00:51:16,015
for the Arcjet facility at NASA Ames.

940
00:51:16,015 --> 00:51:24,398
And the Arcjet facility is the way he described it, basically a giant lightsaber that they
hit models of the Orion with in order to test that

941
00:51:24,398 --> 00:51:29,420
it'll come back with the astronauts in it safely and splash down and nothing bad will
happen.

942
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:32,891
So ~ he's just a delightful human.

943
00:51:32,891 --> 00:51:34,712
He has been a huge fan since day one.

944
00:51:34,712 --> 00:51:37,743
And so I asked him can you be do you want to be on the show?

945
00:51:37,743 --> 00:51:38,323
You know, whatever.

946
00:51:38,323 --> 00:51:39,093
And so we did it.

947
00:51:39,093 --> 00:51:41,044
We kind of commandeered

948
00:51:41,406 --> 00:51:47,218
the lobby area of one of those like luxury condo places that's like very Instagrammable,
you know?

949
00:51:47,218 --> 00:51:48,319
And we set up our

950
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:50,600
two phones and a camera and the whole nine yards.

951
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:51,860
And he was so nervous.

952
00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:55,642
He was just like, ~ I'm gonna stop and get a couple beers.

953
00:51:55,642 --> 00:52:01,174
~ I was like I was like, Alright, I'll Well then I was like,

954
00:52:01,174 --> 00:52:03,646
Well, are you gonna bring any for us?

955
00:52:03,646 --> 00:52:04,616
And he was like, Hell

956
00:52:04,616 --> 00:52:05,436
yeah, what do you want?

957
00:52:05,436 --> 00:52:08,899
Like that, just like knowing that I was cool with that and that I also like

958
00:52:08,899 --> 00:52:09,982
do it, yeah.

959
00:52:09,982 --> 00:52:10,173
it.

960
00:52:10,173 --> 00:52:16,958
Like what's really funny is he ended up he went to one of these places that has like just
tons of different beers from all over the place.

961
00:52:16,979 --> 00:52:17,940
And he

962
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:24,075
like one of the ones that he brought for it, one of the ones that he brought was one from
my hometown that I was like literally in art

963
00:52:24,075 --> 00:52:26,487
class with the guy that made the labels for these things.

964
00:52:26,487 --> 00:52:27,427
And I was like

965
00:52:27,584 --> 00:52:28,664
I was like, what made you pick this?

966
00:52:28,664 --> 00:52:30,285
He's I don't know, I kinda like the label.

967
00:52:30,285 --> 00:52:31,466
I was like, my gosh.

968
00:52:31,466 --> 00:52:33,387
So here we are hanging out.

969
00:52:33,387 --> 00:52:38,339
And I say this even with my remote interviews, like, we're gonna talk first.

970
00:52:38,339 --> 00:52:39,960
Like, you're not gonna enter this little

971
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,571
room online and be put on the spot.

972
00:52:42,571 --> 00:52:43,631
Like, we're gonna hang out first.

973
00:52:43,631 --> 00:52:45,572
I wanna make sure your sound is good.

974
00:52:45,873 --> 00:52:49,404
Take whatever breaths you need to take, you know, whatever.

975
00:52:49,404 --> 00:52:52,346
Let the dog out of the room because he's being a piss, like mine was a second ago.

976
00:52:52,346 --> 00:52:53,876
So, like, it's cool,

977
00:52:53,876 --> 00:52:54,176
you know.

978
00:52:54,176 --> 00:52:57,298
And he just relaxed into it and he was great.

979
00:52:57,298 --> 00:52:57,531
He

980
00:52:57,531 --> 00:53:05,549
was so good, he was such a good interview and he explained things so well and it's like I
would have never believed that he'd never done that before, you know.

981
00:53:05,549 --> 00:53:07,340
So it just you know, sometimes

982
00:53:07,340 --> 00:53:09,182
you just gotta crack a beer of somebody.

983
00:53:09,361 --> 00:53:10,582
Sometimes you gotta crack a beer.

984
00:53:10,582 --> 00:53:11,122
I get it.

985
00:53:11,122 --> 00:53:11,292
I

986
00:53:11,292 --> 00:53:11,803
get it.

987
00:53:11,803 --> 00:53:18,868
You know, that's ~ I've had it well, I was part of a podcast ~ called the Marine
Conservation Happy Hour Podcast a while ago, and

988
00:53:18,868 --> 00:53:20,679
that's that's what we did.

989
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:25,933
And and I'll tell you, drinking and podcasting is a lot different than just podcasting
sober.

990
00:53:26,534 --> 00:53:33,100
there were some pretty there's some things that didn't get aired, let's just say, 'cause
it kinda lot more a lot more editing.

991
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:34,810
I was like, I don't even remember saying this.

992
00:53:34,810 --> 00:53:35,420
Like this is

993
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:36,441
weird.

994
00:53:36,469 --> 00:53:38,273
~ but yeah, no, I think that's great.

995
00:53:38,273 --> 00:53:41,500
Well, you know, you you you kinda mentioned a couple of the episodes that you did.

996
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:46,068
Why don't you talk about what can people kinda expect to hear from this season?

997
00:53:46,242 --> 00:53:46,974
my gosh.

998
00:53:46,974 --> 00:53:47,745
~ I'm just

999
00:53:47,745 --> 00:53:49,475
I'm so excited.

1000
00:53:49,475 --> 00:53:55,149
~ we have two not hello, dog hair in my mouth.

1001
00:53:55,149 --> 00:53:56,913
Speaking of, you know, human interruptions.

1002
00:53:56,913 --> 00:53:58,755
~ so

1003
00:53:59,492 --> 00:54:03,074
So s ~ we have not one but two NASA folks.

1004
00:54:03,074 --> 00:54:04,615
One is this gentleman,

1005
00:54:04,615 --> 00:54:12,898
~ who again as of this week is is not gonna be at NASA anymore, but he's given us a tour
on Friday, so we're gonna get some content for that too.

1006
00:54:12,898 --> 00:54:13,699
I'm really excited.

1007
00:54:13,699 --> 00:54:19,937
~ and then ~ a lady who I just reached out randomly on Instagram too because she had her
like personal account.

1008
00:54:19,937 --> 00:54:24,494
It like twelve hundred followers, which is is nothing to sniff at, but it's not, you know,
an

1009
00:54:24,494 --> 00:54:25,664
influencer.

1010
00:54:25,765 --> 00:54:29,406
And she's like posting video of the folks

1011
00:54:29,566 --> 00:54:35,160
Literally he hoeing the ropes on the ship to bring the Orion into the ship.

1012
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,081
And I'm like, okay, cool.

1013
00:54:36,081 --> 00:54:37,619
She must be like in the Navy or something.

1014
00:54:37,619 --> 00:54:38,132
I don't know.

1015
00:54:38,132 --> 00:54:39,913
Like she's on the ground.

1016
00:54:39,913 --> 00:54:45,707
So I ~ sent her, I slid into her DMs, if you will, and was like, hey, like I have this
podcast, blah blah blah.

1017
00:54:45,707 --> 00:54:47,598
I can send you a fact sheet, da-da-da.

1018
00:54:47,598 --> 00:54:53,024
And she's Yeah, sure, let this public information officer know, you know, at NASA,
whatever.

1019
00:54:53,024 --> 00:54:54,363
And I was like, okay, sure.

1020
00:54:54,363 --> 00:54:55,564
Send it.

1021
00:54:55,564 --> 00:54:58,899
Public informations person gets back to me a while later and is ~

1022
00:54:58,899 --> 00:55:00,129
Okay, yeah, here's her bio.

1023
00:55:00,129 --> 00:55:09,661
She's the director of like landing operations and safety or something like that for the
Artemis missions.

1024
00:55:10,481 --> 00:55:12,281
Like, yeah.

1025
00:55:12,281 --> 00:55:15,021
Like I just slid into her DMs and that ended up

1026
00:55:15,021 --> 00:55:15,502
happening.

1027
00:55:15,502 --> 00:55:20,593
So then we have, I'm talking to not one but three aquariums, folks from Baltimore

1028
00:55:20,593 --> 00:55:21,153
Aquarium.

1029
00:55:21,153 --> 00:55:21,973
I know, I'm so excited.

1030
00:55:21,973 --> 00:55:27,094
The National Aquarium Baltimore, rather, the Tennessee Aquarium, who were awesome, like on
board immediately.

1031
00:55:27,094 --> 00:55:27,737
They posted

1032
00:55:27,737 --> 00:55:28,500
don't they?

1033
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:30,581
They do which I need to figure out how to get on.

1034
00:55:30,581 --> 00:55:37,704
They had posted a video of their life support guy in the pump room and it's really cute
because he starts to talk and they're like, Hold on, wait.

1035
00:55:37,704 --> 00:55:40,045
And then they give him a microphone and then you can hear him.

1036
00:55:40,045 --> 00:55:41,036
Yeah, it's really cute.

1037
00:55:41,036 --> 00:55:42,617
And I was like, Hey, does he do podcasts?

1038
00:55:42,617 --> 00:55:44,337
And they were like, Yup, let us know.

1039
00:55:44,337 --> 00:55:46,488
And I was ~ okay.

1040
00:55:46,518 --> 00:55:47,629
and then Monterey

1041
00:55:47,629 --> 00:55:56,433
Bay, like I said, and then we'll be talking to like I said, I really wanted to get more
skill trades, more blue collar ~ folks represented this time around.

1042
00:55:56,433 --> 00:55:58,914
And so right now I have

1043
00:55:58,914 --> 00:56:11,362
the ~ commercial diving ~ supervisor that I was just telling you about that I interviewed
on or well didn't interview but talked to on Saturday and then a ~ hopefully one or two

1044
00:56:11,362 --> 00:56:20,488
folks from a ship repair place in Norfolk Virginia that works on the naval vessels there
which is gonna be really cool because they post really cool videos of like

1045
00:56:20,702 --> 00:56:32,387
getting massive parts down like catwalks and and staircases and ladderways into the guts
of a ship because something broke and they ha you know so he that was another person

1046
00:56:32,387 --> 00:56:37,110
that was like I don't know if I'm qualified to talk about this, you know, and I'm like, no
no, here's some questions.

1047
00:56:37,110 --> 00:56:45,664
Like clearly use geometry because how did you get that giant thing down to to the guts of
the ship, you know, and physics,

1048
00:56:45,664 --> 00:56:49,385
you know, what kind of what kind of torque are we talking about on some of these tools
you're using?

1049
00:56:49,385 --> 00:56:51,126
And, you know, ~

1050
00:56:51,179 --> 00:56:52,441
material science.

1051
00:56:52,441 --> 00:56:53,351
What does seawater

1052
00:56:53,351 --> 00:56:54,812
do to parts that you're working on?

1053
00:56:54,812 --> 00:56:55,723
You know, that kind of stuff.

1054
00:56:55,723 --> 00:56:56,323
So

1055
00:56:56,323 --> 00:56:57,374
I'm really excited.

1056
00:56:57,374 --> 00:56:58,604
It's it's gonna be a good mix.

1057
00:56:58,604 --> 00:57:09,183
And then I'm hoping I'm I'm starting to kind of you know put the pieces together to do
maybe like a round table ~ episode later in the season where we have a lot of these folks

1058
00:57:09,183 --> 00:57:16,659
sitting down together to talk about, you know, the science end of things and ~ the kind of
hands-on out there every day.

1059
00:57:16,659 --> 00:57:20,552
I know David Schiffman talks a lot about ~ how not a lot.

1060
00:57:20,552 --> 00:57:30,224
Of ~ fisheries folks like fish fisher folk get to talk to scientists in a way that isn't
like you have to change everything, you're wrong and dumb for doing

1061
00:57:30,224 --> 00:57:32,295
this, and you know, like how could you?

1062
00:57:32,295 --> 00:57:34,285
You don't care about you know, whatever.

1063
00:57:34,285 --> 00:57:38,606
So giving folks a chance to like sit at the same table, so to speak.

1064
00:57:38,606 --> 00:57:39,727
I don't think we'll have

1065
00:57:39,727 --> 00:57:45,328
in person, but ~ and just see, I think what you and I have been talking about this whole
episode, which is like,

1066
00:57:46,014 --> 00:57:47,564
These are just people.

1067
00:57:47,625 --> 00:57:48,675
These are just humans.

1068
00:57:48,675 --> 00:57:52,057
And and we have stuff in common, more in common than than we even realized.

1069
00:57:52,057 --> 00:57:57,309
And you know, let's hang out and and maybe not crack a beer every time, but a proverbial
beer.

1070
00:57:57,309 --> 00:58:00,471
And ~ yeah, just and and talk it out and see what's going on.

1071
00:58:00,471 --> 00:58:05,623
And and I think that not just to get those folks together, maybe they're not even gonna be
from the same area.

1072
00:58:05,623 --> 00:58:08,735
You know, I might have West Coast people and East Coast people or whatever, but

1073
00:58:08,735 --> 00:58:16,428
showing I I'm really hoping showing the audience like, hey, this is how you get together
and talk to folks that you think don't have.

1074
00:58:16,438 --> 00:58:19,340
you don't have in anything in common with like we can do that.

1075
00:58:19,340 --> 00:58:23,753
It's it's and and nine times out of ten we're gonna end up laughing or gonna end up you
know

1076
00:58:23,753 --> 00:58:30,888
~ commiserating or gonna end up agreeing on stuff and that I don't know that's that's
that's the goal we'll see.

1077
00:58:30,888 --> 00:58:31,269
bond

1078
00:58:31,269 --> 00:58:35,438
over s bond over science and what needs to be done to get science going too.

1079
00:58:35,438 --> 00:58:35,749
Right.

1080
00:58:35,749 --> 00:58:37,884
I think that's the fun part.

1081
00:58:37,884 --> 00:58:38,425
Yeah.

1082
00:58:38,425 --> 00:58:39,646
I think that's

1083
00:58:39,768 --> 00:58:41,220
I think that's wonderful.

1084
00:58:41,332 --> 00:58:42,764
Yeah, yeah, that's the goal.

1085
00:58:42,764 --> 00:58:43,444
I'm excited.

1086
00:58:43,444 --> 00:58:46,657
We've got eight episodes in the can.

1087
00:58:46,868 --> 00:58:47,465
but

1088
00:58:47,465 --> 00:58:50,416
yeah, that was like that was the hope for this podcast from the start.

1089
00:58:50,416 --> 00:58:55,711
That's why I called it Blue Collar White Coat because I want it to be, you know, everybody
has a seat at the table here.

1090
00:58:55,711 --> 00:59:01,422
~ everybody has something valuable to contribute, and everybody can learn from everybody
else.

1091
00:59:01,422 --> 00:59:03,363
So yeah.

1092
00:59:05,024 --> 00:59:06,604
August 14th.

1093
00:59:08,186 --> 00:59:08,907
Sure, yeah.

1094
00:59:08,907 --> 00:59:09,628
a week or?

1095
00:59:09,628 --> 00:59:13,654
So it'll be ~ once every two weeks on Fridays, 'cause

1096
00:59:13,654 --> 00:59:20,893
Friday's when I have off and I can work on it, so I know it's like against podcast like
gods to do Friday, but

1097
00:59:20,893 --> 00:59:22,526
release, they will find it.

1098
00:59:22,526 --> 00:59:27,378
~ so far, ~ I've definitely taken the field of dreams kind of approach.

1099
00:59:27,378 --> 00:59:30,470
Like if you build it they will come, if you publish it, they will download.

1100
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:31,160
So that's what we're

1101
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:31,580
going with.

1102
00:59:31,580 --> 00:59:39,904
But and then we also just announced in the trailer that I dropped today that we have
started a Patreon, which I have been having

1103
00:59:39,904 --> 00:59:49,619
feelings about because I'm being subscriptioned to death and I know everyone else feels
that way too, so it's a lot to ask in the year of our Lord twenty twenty-six to ask folks

1104
00:59:49,619 --> 00:59:50,990
for another five dollars a month.

1105
00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:52,050
But like

1106
00:59:52,050 --> 00:59:56,960
I said I have a team of folks that's helping with all of the things that you talked about,
systems and you know,

1107
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:06,897
~ getting these these episodes turned from a a raw interview into an episode, into social
media clips, into things we can talk about at conferences, TV dot dot dot.

1108
01:00:06,897 --> 01:00:08,267
We'll talk about that in a second.

1109
01:00:08,267 --> 01:00:10,288
And ~ you know,

1110
01:00:11,029 --> 01:00:13,712
and it's it's the hope that

1111
01:00:13,712 --> 01:00:16,614
We can pay off the subscriptions that that keep the show going.

1112
01:00:16,614 --> 01:00:18,836
As you know, it can it total up pretty quickly.

1113
01:00:18,836 --> 01:00:20,007
And then also

1114
01:00:20,007 --> 01:00:27,674
start throwing money at these amazing humans that just feel so passionately about this
topic that they are volunteering their time to help this show happen.

1115
01:00:27,674 --> 01:00:31,056
So it does.

1116
01:00:32,057 --> 01:00:32,949
Yes.

1117
01:00:32,949 --> 01:00:33,159
the

1118
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:37,772
recording it but the editing, the the marketing, the prep and all that kind of stuff.

1119
01:00:37,772 --> 01:00:38,072
It takes

1120
01:00:38,072 --> 01:00:40,444
a while and a a lot of great people are part of that.

1121
01:00:40,444 --> 01:00:41,175
That's wonderful.

1122
01:00:41,175 --> 01:00:45,007
So so where can they find the podcasts?

1123
01:00:45,111 --> 01:00:53,576
Yes, it is at blue collar white coat pod everywhere on social and YouTube and then
anywhere you get your podcasts.

1124
01:00:53,576 --> 01:00:56,738
So if you start typing in blue collar, you're gonna get a lot of shows.

1125
01:00:56,738 --> 01:00:58,319
Keep going to white.

1126
01:00:58,319 --> 01:00:58,979
Then there's gonna be

1127
01:00:58,979 --> 01:01:02,161
a show that it's called blue collar white collar that shows up.

1128
01:01:02,246 --> 01:01:02,681
no.

1129
01:01:02,681 --> 01:01:03,982
And I know.

1130
01:01:04,338 --> 01:01:05,599
And then there's my show.

1131
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:08,280
But my show's pretty distinct and I'll send you the graphic.

1132
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:15,913
It's a hard hat that has ~ like NASA and and a Yosemite sticker and you know, like iHeart
stem sticker on it.

1133
01:01:15,913 --> 01:01:17,614
So it's pretty cool cover art.

1134
01:01:17,614 --> 01:01:18,985
It's pretty easy to to find.

1135
01:01:18,985 --> 01:01:19,295
So

1136
01:01:19,295 --> 01:01:21,732
that's that's where to find it.

1137
01:01:21,732 --> 01:01:22,192
Wonderful.

1138
01:01:22,192 --> 01:01:23,852
I can't wait for the new season.

1139
01:01:23,852 --> 01:01:28,907
we're gonna release this episode like right before so people can there there's no wait in
terms of

1140
01:01:28,907 --> 01:01:30,348
when they can get access to it.

1141
01:01:30,348 --> 01:01:32,539
~ I can't wait to to watch this.

1142
01:01:32,539 --> 01:01:35,101
I'm so proud of you for for doing this second season.

1143
01:01:35,101 --> 01:01:43,106
Now, one of the last last kind of topic I wanna go into, ~ we are both, we just found out
actually, we are both presenting

1144
01:01:43,106 --> 01:01:46,808
at the International Marine Conservation Congress in Edinburgh.

1145
01:01:46,896 --> 01:01:50,387
Scotland on November the between November 13th and 17th.

1146
01:01:50,387 --> 01:01:53,192
I don't know the exact dates of when we're presenting, but that's the conference.

1147
01:01:53,192 --> 01:01:56,465
It is my favorite conference to go to.

1148
01:01:56,465 --> 01:01:56,755
I've

1149
01:01:56,755 --> 01:02:00,939
been to at least three of them, one online during COVID.

1150
01:02:00,939 --> 01:02:02,029
this will be my fourth.

1151
01:02:02,029 --> 01:02:03,721
I'm super super super excited.

1152
01:02:03,721 --> 01:02:07,675
I've never been to Scotland before, so very excited about that.

1153
01:02:07,675 --> 01:02:09,752
Now you have been there

1154
01:02:09,752 --> 01:02:12,037
So and and this is your first IMCC.

1155
01:02:12,037 --> 01:02:14,223
So going back to Scotland is is one thing.

1156
01:02:14,223 --> 01:02:20,366
I'd love to hear like your thoughts on that, but also what are your thoughts and
expectations going into IMCC?

1157
01:02:20,663 --> 01:02:21,323
my gosh.

1158
01:02:21,323 --> 01:02:22,754
Yeah, loaded question for sure.

1159
01:02:22,754 --> 01:02:25,065
Yeah, I went to graduate school in in Scotland.

1160
01:02:25,065 --> 01:02:32,568
So lesson number one for you, lesson for anyone listening that's also gonna be at IMCC, it
is Edinburgh.

1161
01:02:32,568 --> 01:02:33,458
That's like bruh.

1162
01:02:33,458 --> 01:02:36,589
You how little kids hit you with that when they're like, Bruh, that's it.

1163
01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:37,810
Edinburgh.

1164
01:02:37,810 --> 01:02:42,231
If you say Edinburgh, if you say Edinburgh, just get out.

1165
01:02:42,231 --> 01:02:43,242
Just get out No, they won't.

1166
01:02:43,242 --> 01:02:43,922
They'll just roll it.

1167
01:02:43,922 --> 01:02:45,182
They'll they'll roll their eyes at you.

1168
01:02:45,182 --> 01:02:46,013
That'll be about it.

1169
01:02:46,013 --> 01:02:47,453
But that's how you'll stick out.

1170
01:02:47,453 --> 01:02:49,660
~ but but yeah, ~

1171
01:02:49,660 --> 01:02:55,672
Gosh, I I I guess David ~ emailed us and was like, hey, I'm thinking about putting the
symposium together.

1172
01:02:55,672 --> 01:02:57,593
And that's when it first got put on my radar.

1173
01:02:57,593 --> 01:02:59,813
And I was like, my gosh, homecoming.

1174
01:02:59,813 --> 01:03:01,834
I haven't been there since 2019.

1175
01:03:01,874 --> 01:03:05,635
And it's this amazing, huge, giant every two years conference.

1176
01:03:05,635 --> 01:03:09,397
That's what's like five days, ~ four or five days long.

1177
01:03:10,567 --> 01:03:10,927
my gosh.

1178
01:03:10,927 --> 01:03:11,779
So

1179
01:03:11,779 --> 01:03:13,242
It's a lot of content.

1180
01:03:13,242 --> 01:03:14,602
A lot of content.

1181
01:03:14,602 --> 01:03:21,246
say, yeah, so I I'm slated to do a five minute speed talk, so I'll do a much condensed
version of what we talked about here probably.

1182
01:03:21,246 --> 01:03:27,909
~ and I think ~ what I want to get out of it at selfishly is just like new friends.

1183
01:03:27,909 --> 01:03:31,126
I love meeting people from everywhere and

1184
01:03:31,126 --> 01:03:36,543
like a conference is the quickest way to end up with like couches to crash on in the
coolest places.

1185
01:03:36,543 --> 01:03:39,214
Like so I'm very excited about that.

1186
01:03:39,214 --> 01:03:43,476
I'm really excited to be around around other ~ practitioners and and

1187
01:03:43,476 --> 01:03:49,838
And just get that buzz you get where it's like, man, good things are happening, like there
is progress being made, we're on the right track.

1188
01:03:49,838 --> 01:04:00,502
And I I think my my expectation is my my kind of suspicion is that I think a lot of people
are are on the same wavelength that, ha ha, wavelength.

1189
01:04:00,878 --> 01:04:02,018
Ocean jokes.

1190
01:04:02,699 --> 01:04:05,081
ocean jokes and or podcasting jokes, I don't know.

1191
01:04:05,081 --> 01:04:07,506
But ~ yeah, yeah, perfect.

1192
01:04:07,506 --> 01:04:08,469
the beauty.

1193
01:04:08,824 --> 01:04:10,648
that's why we're pros here.

1194
01:04:10,648 --> 01:04:11,764
Exactly.

1195
01:04:11,846 --> 01:04:17,970
but I think it y this wavelength of like reaching outside of those science

1196
01:04:18,215 --> 01:04:21,697
fan communities online and in person too.

1197
01:04:21,697 --> 01:04:30,971
I'm really excited to hear about that because I think that there's a lot of us on this
same kind of path and ~ realizing around the same time like, hey, we should be talking

1198
01:04:30,971 --> 01:04:42,006
with fisher fisher ~ folks and and villagers and all over the world, you know, industry
and whoever's getting their livelihood from the ocean, we need to be their ally.

1199
01:04:42,006 --> 01:04:43,787
We need to help them

1200
01:04:44,327 --> 01:04:48,389
you know, maintain their livelihoods, but in a way that is good for the ocean long term.

1201
01:04:48,389 --> 01:04:57,153
And and the only way we can do that is by being respectful for of them and learning as
much as we can about them, embedding ourselves in the communities and having real

1202
01:04:57,153 --> 01:05:04,556
face-to-face conversations that sometimes might get a little uncomfy, but there's no
growth without that uncomfortable feeling,

1203
01:05:04,556 --> 01:05:05,376
you know, once in a while.

1204
01:05:05,376 --> 01:05:14,340
So so yeah, I'm excited to see that and see like what kind of ~ you know, what kind of
work are, especially our marine scientists proper

1205
01:05:14,340 --> 01:05:18,091
colleagues are are working on out there in that in terms of that.

1206
01:05:18,565 --> 01:05:19,105
I love that.

1207
01:05:19,105 --> 01:05:19,726
That's perfect.

1208
01:05:19,726 --> 01:05:21,185
Thank you so much, Amy, for joining us.

1209
01:05:21,185 --> 01:05:24,171
I can't wait to meet you in person at IMCC.

1210
01:05:24,171 --> 01:05:27,234
Hopefully we get to meet earlier, but in November for sure.

1211
01:05:27,234 --> 01:05:27,424
I'm

1212
01:05:27,424 --> 01:05:28,275
looking forward to that.

1213
01:05:28,275 --> 01:05:29,646
That's gonna be a lot of fun.

1214
01:05:29,646 --> 01:05:32,769
We'll coordinate stuff to do down there for podcasting and it'll

1215
01:05:32,769 --> 01:05:38,276
be a lot of fun to meet you and s and introduce it all the friends and and colleagues that
I've had there and I'm sure

1216
01:05:38,276 --> 01:05:39,577
We'll both meet new people there.

1217
01:05:39,577 --> 01:05:44,169
If people want more information, I'll put links down for for Amy's

1218
01:05:44,169 --> 01:05:48,062
all of Amy's connections and and the YouTube and the podcast and stuff.

1219
01:05:48,062 --> 01:05:52,074
but also if you want information on IMCC eight, I'll put the links in there too.

1220
01:05:52,074 --> 01:06:00,719
It's a fun conference to go to and something that I feel like is gonna be needed for a lot
of people, whether you're in science or not, or adjacent to science and conservation

1221
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:01,499
around the ocean.

1222
01:06:01,499 --> 01:06:02,590
So it's gonna be a lot of fun.

1223
01:06:02,590 --> 01:06:03,550
Thank you, Amy, for joining

1224
01:06:03,550 --> 01:06:03,650
us.

1225
01:06:03,650 --> 01:06:05,331
It was really, really fun to have you on.

1226
01:06:05,331 --> 01:06:06,952
I can't wait to have you on again.

1227
01:06:07,252 --> 01:06:08,363
my gosh, thank you so much.

1228
01:06:08,363 --> 01:06:13,426
And and yeah, probably n won't see you till November, but I'm I'm super excited too.

1229
01:06:13,426 --> 01:06:14,987
And thanks for having me on to talk

1230
01:06:14,987 --> 01:06:15,568
today.

1231
01:06:15,568 --> 01:06:21,052
And thank you for for being my, you know, kind of ~ what's the word I wanna use?

1232
01:06:21,052 --> 01:06:25,425
Like what's what's the what's what was Obi-Wan Kenobi's like role?

1233
01:06:25,425 --> 01:06:29,262
What was his what was his tit yeah, his title on LinkedIn?

1234
01:06:29,262 --> 01:06:30,658
I don't know.

1235
01:06:30,704 --> 01:06:33,708
Yeah, you were kind of my you were one of my my podcasting

1236
01:06:33,708 --> 01:06:35,980
yeah master Gendis when I first started.

1237
01:06:35,980 --> 01:06:38,653
I was like, I think I wanna do this, but I don't know what I'm doing.

1238
01:06:38,653 --> 01:06:40,015
And you're like, perfect, welcome.

1239
01:06:40,015 --> 01:06:40,909
Yes, yes.

1240
01:06:40,909 --> 01:06:43,330
well, this is this is exactly where I started.

1241
01:06:43,330 --> 01:06:45,620
So we'll we'll we'll we'll get you through it.

1242
01:06:45,620 --> 01:06:46,570
That's awesome.

1243
01:06:46,570 --> 01:06:47,820
No, I I appreciate it.

1244
01:06:47,820 --> 01:06:51,516
It's always fun chatting and you're you're so much fun to like connect with and

1245
01:06:51,516 --> 01:06:52,091
Yeah.

1246
01:06:52,091 --> 01:07:00,403
we chat about everything and so it's always fun to do that and I always want to see people
succeed in podcasting and getting the word out there on fun science stuff.

1247
01:07:00,403 --> 01:07:02,443
So thank you so much for coming on.

1248
01:07:02,443 --> 01:07:03,788
Thanks for having me.

1249
01:07:03,854 --> 01:07:04,874
You bet

1250
01:07:05,188 --> 01:07:08,638
Thank you, Amy, for joining us on today's episode of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

1251
01:07:08,638 --> 01:07:09,690
It was great to have you on.

1252
01:07:09,690 --> 01:07:17,823
I love talking to other podcasters because, you know, we have this connection of what it's
like to put together a podcast, right?

1253
01:07:17,823 --> 01:07:22,625
What it's like to talk about the different people within the podcasting industry.

1254
01:07:22,625 --> 01:07:27,157
You know, everybody, you know, when I talk to people, they're like, yeah, well, it's like,
are you as big as Joe Rogan?

1255
01:07:27,157 --> 01:07:28,628
Nobody's as big as Joe Rogan.

1256
01:07:28,628 --> 01:07:34,330
Whether you like the what he talks about or not, he's still the biggest podcaster and gets
the most downloads.

1257
01:07:34,342 --> 01:07:39,984
that we've ever seen ~ in there and per episode and probably all of my downloads combined.

1258
01:07:39,984 --> 01:07:45,327
but regardless, it is you know, the podcasting industry is always evolving.

1259
01:07:45,327 --> 01:07:47,818
It's always good to discuss and have discussions.

1260
01:07:47,818 --> 01:07:52,880
I mean, when I first started podcasting, it was just audio and then it went to, you know,
people on YouTube and stuff.

1261
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:59,613
I s I like to stay audio and put something different on YouTube, but it's all everybody's
all into different ways of doing things, right?

1262
01:07:59,613 --> 01:08:03,034
And so I think it's it's important to have those types of discussions.

1263
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:12,069
and we also talk about IMCC eight, which is coming up in the International Marine
Conservation Congress, which is coming up in Edinburgh, Scotland, as I was Scotland, as ~

1264
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:15,743
Amy told me to answer, it's Edinburgh, not Edinburgh, which is good.

1265
01:08:15,743 --> 01:08:18,150
Good to know when I go there because I've never been there before.

1266
01:08:18,150 --> 01:08:27,744
~ so we're you know, we're both gonna be hopefully talking within the same symposium, but
we're both having ~ talks on like science communication in some sort of format.

1267
01:08:27,744 --> 01:08:32,989
so I think it's really important to to be able to establish that, be able to have that and
we're gonna meet face to face.

1268
01:08:32,989 --> 01:08:36,162
So we're talking a little bit about that at the end of that podcast.

1269
01:08:36,162 --> 01:08:39,355
And look, if you want to go to IMCC8, I highly recommend that you go.

1270
01:08:39,355 --> 01:08:40,696
~ it's a lot of fun.

1271
01:08:40,696 --> 01:08:48,994
If you're in science, if you're in conservation, you want to learn and meet people within
the the worldwide sort of community.

1272
01:08:48,994 --> 01:08:54,040
Such a supportive ~ conference, such a fun ~ conference to go to, and you learn a lot.

1273
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,100
I highly recommend that you go there.

1274
01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:56,261
They're not sponsoring me for this.

1275
01:08:56,261 --> 01:08:58,662
I just really, really enjoy that conference.

1276
01:08:58,662 --> 01:09:01,713
But check out Amy's podcast because Amy's here.

1277
01:09:01,713 --> 01:09:03,494
She talked about her podcast.

1278
01:09:03,494 --> 01:09:06,475
She's releasing the first episode today.

1279
01:09:06,475 --> 01:09:08,646
And it's about time that you go check it out.

1280
01:09:08,646 --> 01:09:11,797
If you haven't checked it out before, I'll put the links in the show notes.

1281
01:09:11,797 --> 01:09:13,328
Highly recommend that you check it out.

1282
01:09:13,328 --> 01:09:17,099
I'm looking forward to listening to the first episode and watching it on YouTube.

1283
01:09:17,099 --> 01:09:19,851
And yeah, other than that, that's it for today's episode.

1284
01:09:19,851 --> 01:09:23,522
I want to thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of The How to.

1285
01:09:23,522 --> 01:09:24,687
Protect the Ocean Podcast.

1286
01:09:24,687 --> 01:09:25,430
Have a great day.

1287
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:27,828
We'll talk to you next time and happy conservation.