Inside Shark Week 2026: Jesse Colaizzi on Alien Sharks Untamed America

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It's that time of year again, folks.

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It is Shark Week 2026.

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And we like to talk to

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the people who are involved.

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Dave and I like to talk to the people who

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are involved in Shark Week,

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but not necessarily always on the camera.

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Sometimes it's behind the camera and

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sometimes it's even behind the editorial

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computer that sits there and

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drives the entire storyline.

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So today we have a returning guest.

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We've had him on for the past two years

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on show right before Shark Week.

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Jesse Kalezi. He's here to talk about his

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work with Forest Galante.

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They have a show on on Wednesday, July

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29th called Alien Sharks Untamed America.

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We're going to get into

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what's going on around that.

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We're going to talk to him.

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We're talking to him

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when we did the recording.

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He's in a different

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country doing a different show.

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The work just continues and continues on.

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We're going to talk to him all about his

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work on this episode of

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the Beyond Jaws Podcast.

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Let's start the show.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to another

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exciting episode of

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the Beyond Jaws Podcast.

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I am here with my co-host.

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So I'm Andrew Lewin with

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my co-host Dr. David Ebert.

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Dave, this is a, it seems like it's a

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tradition that we do here

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this time around Shark Week.

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We talked to Jesse Kalezi. He

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was always a fun guest, right?

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Yeah. He's like literally of all the

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terrific guests we have on

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over the course of the year.

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He's like become like a fan favorite when

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we have him come on the last two years.

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He's just like, we just seem to have this

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huge following he's putting out there.

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And so like, I don't know, hey Forrest,

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if you're listening, you might want to

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get this guy on your on

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some of your episodes.

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On the Wild Time Podcast. Yeah, for sure.

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Oh yeah. Because he's just been like,

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he's just like a, like I said, literally

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like a fan favorite.

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So he just got into having him come on.

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And the cool thing is he gives a lot of

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insights and kind of a little background,

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what goes on actually behind the scenes

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in the Shark Week shows.

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Yeah, no, absolutely not. This is what I

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love is it's the story

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behind the story, right?

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You get some of the things that happen,

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you know, as they're shooting things or

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sometimes the story might change it in a

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different course, depending

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on what they find out there.

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And it's a very dynamic situation. But a

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lot of the times, you know, we, when

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people talk about Shark Week, whether

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they're criticizing it, whether they're

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applauding it for some of their shows, we

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talk about the actual final show.

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And a lot of the times we get, we like to

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talk to the people behind, as I mentioned

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before, behind the camera, behind the

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computer who are driving the storylines,

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making sure science is in there and, and

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really entertaining the

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people at the same time.

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And I think that's a really hard line to

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balance at times, right? To make sure

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that they get ratings and make it

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entertaining, but also share the science

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that's involved in it, right?

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Yeah. I mean, Jesse's literally one of

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the behind the scenes got guys that puts

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the story to does the editing, puts the

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story together. He goes, he goes out in

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the field with Forrest.

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So he sees what's going on. He's got the

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big picture here and then he just sits

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here and works in these things

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continuously. And I think as you and I

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can probably appreciate more since we've

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been doing our Searching for Lost Sharks

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episodes series on YouTube.

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How much works involved in doing that?

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Oh man. And we do a short like 10 to 15

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minute episode. Imagine doing like a 45

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minute or even an hour episode, right?

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Like that is, yeah, it's, it's, it's kind

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of crazy. And it's, it's a lot of

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thinking on their feet and making sure

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like, you know, what I like about Jesse

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and we'll hear it in a minute.

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But like he has the forethought of like

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what will look good in the on the cutting

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floor. You know what I mean? Like what

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will really stick? And sometimes he goes

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out in the field where he's talking to us

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in this interview and he's able to kind

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of see that and have that vision of what

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would look good, you know,

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afterwards, after the edit.

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That doesn't happen often. We don't get

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that opportunity often. So as someone who

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edits your your episodes, it's like, it's

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like, oh, this is kind of interesting to

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be able to have that foresight and go

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there. It's a it's a skill for sure.

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Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. So it's

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great having him back again for three

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years running now. And I hope everybody

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enjoys it as much as they've enjoyed the

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last two times you've been on the show.

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Absolutely. Jesse, I know all your

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family's listening. So I just want to

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welcome all of

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Jesse's family out there and

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everyone else to the show there. We hope

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you enjoy it and let's give it a listen.

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Absolutely. Here's the here's the

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interview with Jesse. Enjoy and we'll

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talk to you after. Hey, Jesse. Welcome

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back to the Beyond Jaws podcast. Are you

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ready to talk about sharks and

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entertainment? This year, I'm feeling it,

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man. It's Shark Week season, my friends.

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I love it. Love it. Love the attitude.

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Well, welcome everyone back to our Beyond

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Jaws podcast where we have our we have

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our annual special

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inside Shark Week episode.

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Our inside Shark Week episode with our

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inside guy, Jesse Colosse. Jesse was

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first on our episode. I was first on our

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Shark Week episode back in 2024. And it

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was so well received what we had to have

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back in last year. And once again,

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everyone came through and really enjoy

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the episode. So we thought, well, what

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the heck we'll bring him back for another

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year and have fun and talk about sharks

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and Shark Week and everything.

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Quick little review,

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Jesse's an award-winning,

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globally syndicated TV

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documentary producer.

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He's a lead senior editor and he's a

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director of photography.

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He works as a producer and senior editor.

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His work's been

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featured all over Shark Week,

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which we'll get into today.

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He's done programs such

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as "Mysterious Creatures"

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with Forrest Gullani, "Extinct or Alive,"

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which also ran on

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Animal Planet with Forrest.

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He's worked as an

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editor on other programs,

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"The Bermuda Triangle,"

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into "Cursed Waters" on History Channel,

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and numerous other documentaries.

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They say he's an American Reality TV

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Awards winner for best

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editing for "Mysterious

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Creatures with Forrest."

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He has a bachelor's

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degree from Penn State.

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He also has a master's from Point Park

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University and a

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master's of fine arts from

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Chatham University.

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And right now he's coming to us from a

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remote location in India, of all places,

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throwing quite a time change here.

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And so with that, Jesse,

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welcome to the show, man.

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That's great to be back,

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guys. It really is, man.

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It's another Shark Week

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season and here we are.

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So why don't we start off?

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Why don't you tell us

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what you're doing in India?

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Well, we are working on a show here

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called "Vantara's Sanctuary Stories."

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And I'm the showrunner and senior editor

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with quite an eclectic team of other

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filmmakers that we all

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work with, with Forrest.

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And we are filming a few episodes at the

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sanctuary right now here in Gujarat.

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And where is Gujarat located in India?

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It is if you look at the shape of India,

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it is like right up

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here, kind of just out

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the Pakistan, but an

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hour's flight north of Mumbai.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Kind of up in the sort of the northwest

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corner place around here.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Kind of hot and dry,

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except for today and this month.

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Yeah, but otherwise, but you guys been

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filming there for a

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while now, haven't you?

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Yeah, this is a pretty long term project.

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So we were just wrapping up our filming

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on season two and planning season three

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and doing all kinds of stuff.

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But we do, you know, eight seasons, eight

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episodes a year and

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immerse and live here basically.

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For how long do you do that?

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Like when you're there?

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We're usually here for about

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two to three weeks at a time.

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We're actually on a slightly shorter

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little stint this time, just because we

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were backing up against a

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certain season that's upon us.

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Gotcha.

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You know, Shark Week season.

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Yes.

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We need to be home for that, of course.

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Of course.

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Right. Right.

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Yes.

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We're shooting this a little bit before

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Shark Week actually starts.

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But just so we're working people watches

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when the series comes out.

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When the series of Antares sanctuary

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stories, if you're in the US or pretty

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much most places in the world, it's going

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to be on some form of

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Discovery channels networks.

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Discovery Plus or Max.

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And then in India, it

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airs on Geo hot star.

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And of course streams

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all over the place, too.

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So that's cool.

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That's great.

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We'll definitely promote that when that

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when it let us know when the next air

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will definitely promote it.

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Well, well, the season one is available

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now and season two, they

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drop around Christmas time.

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The holidays are OK.

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OK.

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OK. Crazy in the air.

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OK.

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Great.

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That's nice.

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Good.

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Good.

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So Shark Week.

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So what do you what have you been up to

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for Shark Week this year, Jesse?

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I will tell you something.

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You know, every time, you know, this is

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like a bit of an analogy here.

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But like sometimes when we go into the

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holiday seasons, I'm just kind of like,

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meh, not really feeling it.

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Maybe I'll make some cookies and be done.

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Right.

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Right.

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I'm really feeling Shark Week this year.

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You know, we we we got a special show.

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It's of course the you know, the 250th

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year of our existence as it goes.

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Yours.

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Actually, I'm out of there.

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I'm I'm away from and I'm in Canada.

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So yeah, so.

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But it's our our America 250 special.

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And so the episode is

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Alien Sharks Untamed America.

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And it starts like

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everybody's journey to the U.S.

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with the Statue of Liberty

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and ends with a bunch of sharks.

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So OK, cool.

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Very nice.

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You guys get I assume both the East

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Coast, West Coast, golf

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everywhere around the U.S.

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We we did exactly that.

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This is, you know, first

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of all, you know, forests.

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Big thing is the cryptic sharks, the

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sharks that nobody really thinks about

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when you say that word shark.

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And what goes in your

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brain is a gray shark shape.

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That's great.

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They're welcome on the show.

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And there are plenty on this show, but

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it's the ones that are all the little

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splotchy guys like the bamboo sharks and

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the chain sharks and all

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the little funky stuff.

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The law sharks, basically.

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The law, the law, the

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law, the law is forgotten.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Retreated to parts unknown.

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Yeah.

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And I feel like also like at this time,

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there's been a lot of episodes.

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We've seen a lot of episodes with alien

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sharks and stuff like a year

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after year, which is great.

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Other shows are really starting to show,

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you know, sort of the law

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sharks, the forgotten sharks.

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And we're starting I think there's more

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of an interest in the public to start to

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get to know these sharks a lot more.

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Like I know like Dave and I like Dave,

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when you share all these different types

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of sharks that you've discovered or that

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you've been working on and things like

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that on social media, they

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go like like gangbusters.

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I guess people are liking and viewing

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them and want to know more.

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Have you found that Jesse, like with the

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types of sharks that you guys have been

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highlighting in your shows year after

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year that people are really starting to

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get interested in those not

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those lesser known sharks?

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01:10:26,958 --> 01:10:29,625
Well, it's like birding, you know, you of

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course, you want to go see a Robin

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because you maybe you have your Robbins

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in your backyard that you love.

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And who doesn't like a white shark?

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You know, there's nothing

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boring about a white shark.

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But that's that that thing where I think

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people are starting to have more

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awareness and therefore they're moving

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past that that outer layer of the onion

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and getting into, you know, more deeper,

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more, more, more depth of where these

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things go because there's such a range.

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You know, and you only get there once

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there's enough of an awareness about the

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ocean and the health of the ocean and how

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it all works in the ocean.

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And you know, you get past that that Blue

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01:11:04,958 --> 01:11:07,500
Jay, what's the next cool bird you want

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01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:09,625
to go find, you know, the next one and

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01:11:09,625 --> 01:11:10,333
the next one and the next

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01:11:10,333 --> 01:11:11,625
and sharks are the same way.

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01:11:11,833 --> 01:11:12,833
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just can you share how many species of

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01:11:15,333 --> 01:11:15,916
sharks you guys

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01:11:15,916 --> 01:11:17,583
encountered during this this episode?

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Man, that's that's math, Dave.

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And actually, actually, I would say

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that's calculus at this point, because

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like when we when you talk about land of

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01:11:31,916 --> 01:11:33,375
the lost sharks, which was the special

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01:11:33,375 --> 01:11:35,666
that we made at this point before this

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01:11:35,666 --> 01:11:38,958
was gray in 2020, you know, we had what

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01:11:38,958 --> 01:11:39,916
we called a shark count.

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And this is like a little thing we do

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behind the scenes, like, you know, our

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01:11:42,416 --> 01:11:44,125
own little competition is like, well, how

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many species did we have in this episode?

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Yeah, nine species was like the high

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01:11:48,625 --> 01:11:49,916
watermark for a long time.

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And honestly, I don't even know. We could

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try to count right now if you'd like. I

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01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:56,208
can kind of go through my memory. I know

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I'm going to forget one. But we start

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01:11:58,416 --> 01:12:00,166
with, of course, white sharks.

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01:12:00,958 --> 01:12:03,333
We were looking for a swell shark, but

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01:12:03,333 --> 01:12:05,625
found found a white shark and found three

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01:12:05,625 --> 01:12:06,500
white sharks and actually

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01:12:06,500 --> 01:12:07,833
pin for us to the ground.

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01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,416
Like the boat was right there. Like you

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01:12:10,416 --> 01:12:12,000
can see my ceiling right here. Like they

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01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,500
were maybe twice that distance up was the

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01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:16,583
boat and they got they were they would

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01:12:16,583 --> 01:12:18,416
just they would come in and go out.

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And it was kind of murky.

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01:12:19,916 --> 01:12:23,375
They were out by Diablo Canyon.

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And so the water was kind of hazy. And,

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01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:28,125
you know, had that the the cold water and

415
01:12:28,125 --> 01:12:29,291
the hot water. And you really couldn't

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01:12:29,291 --> 01:12:32,375
see. So anyway, that's shark number one.

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01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:37,458
There was a. What's the one with the

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01:12:37,458 --> 01:12:38,916
little horn? It's a horn shark.

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01:12:38,916 --> 01:12:40,625
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. California

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01:12:40,625 --> 01:12:43,291
horn shark. Yeah. California all native

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01:12:43,291 --> 01:12:44,291
sharks, by the way.

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01:12:45,125 --> 01:12:46,875
California horn shark leopard sharks.

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01:12:47,583 --> 01:12:49,125
Of course, we were looking for a

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01:12:49,125 --> 01:12:51,583
California swell shark and thankfully

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01:12:51,583 --> 01:12:54,541
found one. A guitar fish, if

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01:12:54,541 --> 01:12:56,916
you want to call that shark.

427
01:13:00,083 --> 01:13:03,208
And actually that happened during a great

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01:13:03,208 --> 01:13:05,791
scene because I want to say Forrest's son

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01:13:05,791 --> 01:13:07,250
might have reeled that one in.

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01:13:08,125 --> 01:13:09,750
He brought his family out on the beach

431
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:11,041
for a while. They were looking for swell

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01:13:11,041 --> 01:13:13,166
sharks off the beach somewhere and

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01:13:13,166 --> 01:13:15,541
brought in a guitar guitar shark.

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01:13:15,583 --> 01:13:17,333
That counts, baby. Guitar fish, guitar

435
01:13:17,333 --> 01:13:19,583
fish. That counts with a little clear

436
01:13:19,583 --> 01:13:22,333
nose. You know, has a little see through.

437
01:13:22,958 --> 01:13:25,250
I think I think Rhodes for a son called

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01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:27,666
it a clear through nose because he's he's

439
01:13:27,666 --> 01:13:31,958
getting it. And then what else did we

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01:13:31,958 --> 01:13:35,791
find? Then we went for a well, we were

441
01:13:35,791 --> 01:13:37,625
looking for the bonnet head in the Gulf.

442
01:13:38,375 --> 01:13:40,291
So that's another one. I've already lost

443
01:13:40,291 --> 01:13:42,500
count, by the way, but that's I got five

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01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:45,166
so far. So I'm good. And just everybody,

445
01:13:45,166 --> 01:13:47,041
just all the flat shark people, I am

446
01:13:47,041 --> 01:13:48,958
counting the guitar fish that does count.

447
01:13:49,666 --> 01:13:51,500
So sharks are sharks to the rate. They

448
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:53,000
are sharks. They just need more love.

449
01:13:53,708 --> 01:13:57,375
Shark check mark. Yeah. And OK, let me

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01:13:57,375 --> 01:13:59,583
think here. So in along the long

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01:13:59,583 --> 01:14:00,916
searching for the bond ahead, of course,

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01:14:00,916 --> 01:14:01,541
we saw a bunch of

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01:14:01,541 --> 01:14:02,583
black tips out in the Gulf.

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01:14:02,625 --> 01:14:05,333
Of course, swarm of black tips from

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01:14:05,333 --> 01:14:09,708
Oceanic. Yeah. And OK, so the bonnet

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01:14:09,708 --> 01:14:12,875
head, of course, was running those days.

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01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:16,708
Then we went and paired up with some guys

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01:14:16,708 --> 01:14:19,791
at Florida State University who have

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01:14:19,791 --> 01:14:22,416
this. The main gentleman in particular

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01:14:22,416 --> 01:14:23,666
has been searching

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01:14:23,666 --> 01:14:26,250
for sawfish for decades.

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01:14:26,625 --> 01:14:29,458
This is Dean Grubbs. Yes, it is Dean

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01:14:29,458 --> 01:14:31,750
Grubbs. He's been on the show. We know.

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01:14:32,333 --> 01:14:34,750
Yeah. And I mean, always smiling, always

465
01:14:34,750 --> 01:14:37,458
happy doing his thing. Like 100 percent

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01:14:37,458 --> 01:14:40,375
of the footage was a smile on his side.

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01:14:40,750 --> 01:14:42,958
And they went out. I mean, those guys

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01:14:42,958 --> 01:14:44,375
know where they breed. They know where

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01:14:44,375 --> 01:14:46,125
they pop. They know where they hang out.

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01:14:46,375 --> 01:14:48,125
They that's this whole thing was

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01:14:48,125 --> 01:14:50,375
triggered by. There was a viral clip that

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01:14:50,375 --> 01:14:52,541
went around a diver and just like dropped

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01:14:52,541 --> 01:14:54,500
down to the bottom in an area really near

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01:14:54,500 --> 01:14:55,583
here. The vis kind of had cleared up. And there's like, oh, I'm going to get it.

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01:14:55,625 --> 01:14:57,541
And cleared up and there's like nine of

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01:14:57,541 --> 01:15:00,208
them just sitting around. Wow. And we

477
01:15:00,208 --> 01:15:03,875
thought, wow, we need to get the the the

478
01:15:03,875 --> 01:15:06,333
the the sawfish in this show. That's like

479
01:15:06,333 --> 01:15:09,666
such an odd looking American thing. And

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01:15:09,666 --> 01:15:12,666
so that happened. But along with that,

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01:15:13,208 --> 01:15:14,958
there were some sharks that honestly were

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01:15:14,958 --> 01:15:17,166
species forest couldn't even had never

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01:15:17,166 --> 01:15:18,166
even identified or

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01:15:18,166 --> 01:15:19,250
seen before. There was a.

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01:15:20,333 --> 01:15:21,750
I don't even remember the names of them.

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01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:23,083
I'll be honest with you. I edited the

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01:15:23,083 --> 01:15:25,375
show and I can't even remember the names.

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01:15:25,583 --> 01:15:28,041
There were probably four different sharks

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01:15:28,041 --> 01:15:30,625
that they know. Deans got his whole grad

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01:15:30,625 --> 01:15:32,833
student team. Everybody there. And

491
01:15:32,833 --> 01:15:34,041
they're they're turning it through there

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01:15:34,041 --> 01:15:35,791
like a machine. They're bringing them up.

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01:15:35,791 --> 01:15:36,750
They're putting them on the measuring

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01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:38,250
thing, you know, measuring and giving all

495
01:15:38,250 --> 01:15:39,875
the science, throwing them out, bringing

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01:15:39,875 --> 01:15:41,583
them up and bringing up. And then

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01:15:41,583 --> 01:15:44,708
suddenly, like he's pulling the line and

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01:15:44,708 --> 01:15:48,166
it is like tight. And it was, I mean,

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01:15:49,166 --> 01:15:49,583
probably 30 percent.

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01:15:49,625 --> 01:15:49,916
And you know, they're like, you know,

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01:15:49,916 --> 01:15:50,666
they're like, 13 feet. Actually, it was

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01:15:50,666 --> 01:15:53,375
like 13 point something feet. The sawfish

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01:15:53,375 --> 01:15:55,291
that they brought up and it was already

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01:15:55,291 --> 01:15:58,166
tagged. Right. I mean, the tag was old.

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01:15:58,166 --> 01:15:59,583
It was covered in seaweed.

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01:15:59,583 --> 01:16:01,000
They couldn't even read the number, but

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01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,916
they were able to pull it off. Retag it.

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01:16:02,916 --> 01:16:04,708
And I mean, it seems like that's even

509
01:16:04,708 --> 01:16:07,333
more valuable than, you know, tagging one

510
01:16:07,333 --> 01:16:09,333
fresh for the first time. At least Dean

511
01:16:09,333 --> 01:16:11,083
seemed pretty excited about it. Oh, yeah.

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01:16:11,666 --> 01:16:14,416
Yeah. And and so that was pretty cool.

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01:16:14,416 --> 01:16:17,791
And then I believe the unexpected cherry

514
01:16:17,791 --> 01:16:18,583
on the cake or cupcake or what?

515
01:16:18,625 --> 01:16:22,416
On top the cherry on the you know, the

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01:16:22,416 --> 01:16:24,166
ice cream and the whipped cream that I

517
01:16:24,166 --> 01:16:26,500
always put too much of on my you know,

518
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:31,000
was a basking shark in Cape Cod Harbor

519
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,541
and cool. And we we went all out with

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01:16:34,541 --> 01:16:36,916
that one. You know, the guys hired a

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01:16:36,916 --> 01:16:39,750
plane spotter, you know, and of course,

522
01:16:39,958 --> 01:16:42,291
we weren't allowed to show my favorite

523
01:16:42,291 --> 01:16:44,583
shot of the episode, which was the pilot.

524
01:16:44,625 --> 01:16:48,041
He was flying this plane that looked like

525
01:16:48,041 --> 01:16:52,291
a 1972 Chevy truck with wings and, you

526
01:16:52,291 --> 01:16:54,541
know, like the windows are kind of open

527
01:16:54,541 --> 01:16:57,250
and he's got his spittoon and he's had

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01:16:57,250 --> 01:16:59,541
his you know, his his chai and he's like,

529
01:16:59,541 --> 01:17:02,000
you know, and flying the plane and and

530
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:03,500
then he's like, hey, first, I got one

531
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:04,625
right off my left wing.

532
01:17:04,875 --> 01:17:05,583
And they they sped out there.

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01:17:05,625 --> 01:17:08,375
And it was literally the most Boston

534
01:17:08,375 --> 01:17:09,875
thing you could happen. It's happened,

535
01:17:10,083 --> 01:17:13,833
you know. And and so that one that we

536
01:17:13,833 --> 01:17:16,208
actually saw several but the one that we

537
01:17:16,208 --> 01:17:18,333
actually put in the show was like half

538
01:17:18,333 --> 01:17:19,666
the size of the boat. Yeah, I mean, it

539
01:17:19,666 --> 01:17:22,208
was just it was a whale. You know, I

540
01:17:22,208 --> 01:17:24,958
mean, it was so big. And they caught him

541
01:17:24,958 --> 01:17:26,500
just in the right time. I think that it

542
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:28,416
was the one of the last few days before

543
01:17:28,416 --> 01:17:30,708
they were off out into the Atlantic, you

544
01:17:30,708 --> 01:17:33,625
know. And so I forget how many species

545
01:17:33,625 --> 01:17:34,583
just to make it clear when you said, you know, I think it was a whale.

546
01:17:34,625 --> 01:17:35,791
I get it clear when you said when you

547
01:17:35,791 --> 01:17:37,666
said they caught him. They caught him on

548
01:17:37,666 --> 01:17:40,500
video, not on it. There's no huge Yeah,

549
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:42,125
yeah, yeah, yeah. Just wanted to clear

550
01:17:42,125 --> 01:17:45,291
things up. They harpooned him. he's

551
01:17:45,291 --> 01:17:49,833
going. He tasted really good that night.

552
01:17:50,166 --> 01:17:52,083
Well, few is coming right for them. It

553
01:17:52,083 --> 01:17:54,416
was just the basket. The dangerous

554
01:17:54,416 --> 01:17:57,041
basking shirt. Yeah, that is a great

555
01:17:57,041 --> 01:17:58,541
point of clarification. We in the

556
01:17:58,541 --> 01:17:59,958
business like, oh yeah, yeah, I shot him

557
01:17:59,958 --> 01:18:02,541
yesterday. It was great. If you shot you

558
01:18:02,541 --> 01:18:04,208
shot him. We're not always in the

559
01:18:04,208 --> 01:18:04,583
business here. That's why he's

560
01:18:04,625 --> 01:18:06,000
So we're just like, oh, wait a minute.

561
01:18:06,125 --> 01:18:07,291
I just had to think about it.

562
01:18:07,291 --> 01:18:08,083
I should clarify that.

563
01:18:08,083 --> 01:18:09,166
He shot him with one of these.

564
01:18:09,166 --> 01:18:09,750
It's all good.

565
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:09,958
Gotcha.

566
01:18:10,208 --> 01:18:10,583
Gotcha.

567
01:18:10,833 --> 01:18:11,750
It got hilarious if

568
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:12,875
somebody kicked in the door now

569
01:18:12,875 --> 01:18:14,000
and the guys hold you

570
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,291
away some fishing game guys.

571
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:16,916
[LAUGHTER]

572
01:18:17,583 --> 01:18:18,250
Hello, guys.

573
01:18:18,791 --> 01:18:20,500
We're here for poaching services.

574
01:18:20,500 --> 01:18:20,958
Poaching list.

575
01:18:21,458 --> 01:18:21,666
Yes.

576
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:24,583
We caught him on camera.

577
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:25,208
Oh, yeah.

578
01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:25,500
OK.

579
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:26,875
It is impressive.

580
01:18:27,416 --> 01:18:28,791
There's this one shot we

581
01:18:28,791 --> 01:18:30,333
have of this thing where they--

582
01:18:31,041 --> 01:18:32,625
he was kind of moving around.

583
01:18:32,708 --> 01:18:33,875
First of all, I had no idea

584
01:18:33,875 --> 01:18:35,458
they moved as fast as they did.

585
01:18:35,458 --> 01:18:37,875
You know, like Mitch, Mitch

586
01:18:37,875 --> 01:18:40,625
Long, who's he of many things,

587
01:18:40,625 --> 01:18:41,416
was one of them.

588
01:18:41,416 --> 01:18:42,333
He's our drone pilot.

589
01:18:42,625 --> 01:18:44,000
OK, he was like, you know,

590
01:18:44,166 --> 01:18:45,708
having trouble keeping up with it.

591
01:18:45,708 --> 01:18:46,958
I'm going through the rough footage.

592
01:18:46,958 --> 01:18:48,416
I'm like, he's trying

593
01:18:48,416 --> 01:18:49,291
to correct his speed,

594
01:18:49,291 --> 01:18:50,666
but then the shark would slow down and

595
01:18:50,666 --> 01:18:51,875
then he would overshoot it.

596
01:18:51,875 --> 01:18:53,333
And he was coming back and they're like,

597
01:18:53,333 --> 01:18:55,000
this thing was flying.

598
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,583
You could see when the little floaters,

599
01:18:56,583 --> 01:18:57,458
all the little seaweed

600
01:18:57,458 --> 01:18:58,500
that's floating is like

601
01:18:58,500 --> 01:18:59,625
your point of reference.

602
01:18:59,916 --> 01:19:01,791
Kind of like if they would put me next to

603
01:19:01,791 --> 01:19:02,458
all the other Olympic

604
01:19:02,541 --> 01:19:03,750
people running the 100 meter

605
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:05,833
dash, I'd be your normal guy.

606
01:19:05,833 --> 01:19:07,166
And then they would all be there waiting

607
01:19:07,166 --> 01:19:08,958
for me for like five minutes.

608
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:11,958
Like the little floaters of seaweed would

609
01:19:11,958 --> 01:19:13,375
like show me like, oh my God,

610
01:19:13,375 --> 01:19:15,083
that thing is cooking like a boat.

611
01:19:16,458 --> 01:19:17,958
You could water ski off of it.

612
01:19:18,208 --> 01:19:20,416
I mean, did you catch a breach at all?

613
01:19:21,083 --> 01:19:21,500
Breaching?

614
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:22,541
No, no.

615
01:19:22,541 --> 01:19:24,208
But what's funny is, it's like, you know,

616
01:19:24,208 --> 01:19:25,375
the guys had these like scooters,

617
01:19:25,375 --> 01:19:26,541
you know, they were trying to like,

618
01:19:26,541 --> 01:19:27,000
because they needed

619
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:28,041
to catch up with them.

620
01:19:28,375 --> 01:19:30,250
And they were still like out of breath.

621
01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:32,125
And I mean, this is a very fit crew.

622
01:19:32,125 --> 01:19:33,833
These guys are in the gym every morning

623
01:19:33,833 --> 01:19:34,916
for an hour and a half.

624
01:19:34,916 --> 01:19:37,416
And like just this, the kicking to stay

625
01:19:37,416 --> 01:19:39,458
up with these things was impossible.

626
01:19:40,166 --> 01:19:40,375
Crazy.

627
01:19:40,583 --> 01:19:40,791
Yeah.

628
01:19:41,041 --> 01:19:42,333
That's the thing that, you know, when

629
01:19:42,333 --> 01:19:44,833
you, when we see it on, on film, like,

630
01:19:44,958 --> 01:19:47,125
as we watch these documentaries, I don't

631
01:19:47,125 --> 01:19:48,833
think a lot of people don't realize until

632
01:19:48,833 --> 01:19:51,333
they're told that the video slowed down

633
01:19:51,333 --> 01:19:52,541
so we can actually catch

634
01:19:52,541 --> 01:19:54,416
the site of them and the way

635
01:19:54,416 --> 01:19:55,708
they move through the water and stuff.

636
01:19:55,708 --> 01:19:57,333
But when you're filming, it's got to be

637
01:19:57,333 --> 01:19:58,458
pretty challenging because

638
01:19:58,458 --> 01:19:59,541
you never know when they're

639
01:19:59,583 --> 01:20:01,333
just going to dip down and be out of

640
01:20:01,333 --> 01:20:03,125
sight. Right. So is

641
01:20:03,125 --> 01:20:04,291
there, you know, you mentioned,

642
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:06,583
I think it was Mitch, the drone pilot,

643
01:20:06,583 --> 01:20:07,458
like, is there a bit of

644
01:20:07,458 --> 01:20:08,500
like, when you see this

645
01:20:08,708 --> 01:20:10,083
happening and this behavior happening, is

646
01:20:10,083 --> 01:20:12,625
there a bit of like a panic that sets in,

647
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,500
you know, as you're trying to get the

648
01:20:14,500 --> 01:20:16,166
frame just in case he, you

649
01:20:16,166 --> 01:20:17,291
know, that shark decides to

650
01:20:17,541 --> 01:20:18,458
dive a little deeper and

651
01:20:18,458 --> 01:20:19,500
out of, and out of sight.

652
01:20:19,833 --> 01:20:21,041
You know, these, the especially our

653
01:20:21,041 --> 01:20:22,666
underwater shooters are very intuitive.

654
01:20:22,958 --> 01:20:24,583
You know, they, I mean, these are all,

655
01:20:24,583 --> 01:20:26,500
you know, not only wildlife

656
01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:27,875
photographers, but they really

657
01:20:27,916 --> 01:20:31,583
specialize in underwater. And, you know,

658
01:20:31,583 --> 01:20:32,500
they've just got this

659
01:20:32,500 --> 01:20:34,291
instinct that the camera is always

660
01:20:34,291 --> 01:20:35,833
in the right direction. You know, like,

661
01:20:35,833 --> 01:20:38,000
if their head's looking

662
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,125
this way, it's like their hands

663
01:20:39,125 --> 01:20:40,458
are attached to their head. They have

664
01:20:40,458 --> 01:20:42,750
hand. I are like locked. And

665
01:20:42,750 --> 01:20:45,333
they also, it's a little trick

666
01:20:45,333 --> 01:20:47,500
that, you know, if you are shooting at 24

667
01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:50,208
frames per second and you're

668
01:20:50,208 --> 01:20:51,250
playing it back on the show

669
01:20:51,250 --> 01:20:53,541
in 24 frames per second, sure, it's time.

670
01:20:53,916 --> 01:20:56,291
It's a ratio of one time

671
01:20:56,291 --> 01:20:57,583
per one time. You know,

672
01:20:58,541 --> 01:21:00,833
however, if you shoot at 60 frames a

673
01:21:00,833 --> 01:21:02,750
second and you only get a half of a

674
01:21:02,750 --> 01:21:03,583
second of a glimpse,

675
01:21:04,125 --> 01:21:06,250
you could slow that down by about 40% and

676
01:21:06,250 --> 01:21:07,583
still have a nice smooth

677
01:21:07,583 --> 01:21:09,916
shot, you know, and it gives

678
01:21:09,916 --> 01:21:12,291
you a little bit more of a gander at it

679
01:21:12,291 --> 01:21:13,875
because to me, the best

680
01:21:13,875 --> 01:21:15,791
part about these shows is just

681
01:21:15,791 --> 01:21:17,958
getting to show somebody an animal that

682
01:21:17,958 --> 01:21:19,000
they would never see so

683
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,041
they could just stare at it.

684
01:21:20,625 --> 01:21:22,500
Right. And learn something about it, but

685
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:23,458
just stare at it and take

686
01:21:23,458 --> 01:21:24,625
it in because it's beautiful,

687
01:21:24,958 --> 01:21:26,291
you know, never know. Absolutely. Like

688
01:21:26,291 --> 01:21:27,250
looking at a tiger, you know,

689
01:21:27,250 --> 01:21:28,708
who gets to go look at a tiger

690
01:21:28,708 --> 01:21:30,625
and study them close up? You know, when

691
01:21:30,625 --> 01:21:32,333
you see one in a zoo, you can't do

692
01:21:32,333 --> 01:21:33,541
anything but look at it.

693
01:21:33,791 --> 01:21:35,583
True. Yeah, true. And that's our goal as

694
01:21:35,583 --> 01:21:36,375
someone who makes

695
01:21:36,375 --> 01:21:37,375
entertainment and television,

696
01:21:37,875 --> 01:21:39,375
people who want to watch animal shows

697
01:21:39,375 --> 01:21:40,625
want to stare at the animal

698
01:21:40,625 --> 01:21:41,916
and they want to hear about

699
01:21:41,916 --> 01:21:43,875
them. They want to see the pursuit, of

700
01:21:43,875 --> 01:21:45,333
course, is always fun. But

701
01:21:45,333 --> 01:21:47,208
when you catch it, you want to

702
01:21:47,583 --> 01:21:50,208
that's the payoff. Absolutely. Yeah. By

703
01:21:50,208 --> 01:21:53,875
catching on video. Catch it on film. I

704
01:21:53,875 --> 01:21:55,291
caught Sasquatch. I mean,

705
01:21:55,291 --> 01:21:57,791
you know, he's right. He's in the next

706
01:21:57,791 --> 01:21:58,583
room over. He's on

707
01:21:58,583 --> 01:21:59,583
the crew. He joined the,

708
01:21:59,958 --> 01:22:03,791
he's one of forest guys now. He's gonna

709
01:22:03,791 --> 01:22:04,750
have his own TV show

710
01:22:04,750 --> 01:22:05,708
later this year, right?

711
01:22:06,958 --> 01:22:09,083
Spin off maybe, you know, we'll see if

712
01:22:09,083 --> 01:22:11,083
animal planets interested. They may pass.

713
01:22:11,083 --> 01:22:12,375
He doesn't want to show his face though.

714
01:22:12,375 --> 01:22:13,250
So it'll just be blurs.

715
01:22:14,208 --> 01:22:16,375
Well, he's always like walking, you know,

716
01:22:16,375 --> 01:22:17,875
like what was the most

717
01:22:17,875 --> 01:22:20,291
exciting thing you guys film?

718
01:22:20,291 --> 01:22:21,791
Was it, was the Basking Shark or just

719
01:22:21,791 --> 01:22:22,541
anything else that was

720
01:22:22,541 --> 01:22:24,375
kind of, I will tell you this.

721
01:22:24,375 --> 01:22:25,500
And this is, this is like one of those

722
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:27,375
behind the scenes little things, you

723
01:22:27,375 --> 01:22:28,750
know, just appeal the curtain back and

724
01:22:28,750 --> 01:22:30,166
mainly into post production,

725
01:22:30,166 --> 01:22:32,083
you know, I live, I live in post mainly

726
01:22:32,083 --> 01:22:34,750
of course, I'm on the field now, but, you

727
01:22:34,750 --> 01:22:38,500
know, we were given the opportunity to

728
01:22:38,500 --> 01:22:41,083
film the various parts of this show

729
01:22:41,416 --> 01:22:43,666
when the animals were active and running

730
01:22:43,666 --> 01:22:45,333
in the areas that they're known to be in.

731
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,625
And so, as we were filming, you know, it

732
01:22:48,625 --> 01:22:50,041
started back in October when they were

733
01:22:50,041 --> 01:22:51,500
looking for the swell shark, they were

734
01:22:51,500 --> 01:22:53,333
there towards the end of the year,

735
01:22:53,833 --> 01:22:57,250
uh, the end of 2025 and, you know, put

736
01:22:57,250 --> 01:22:58,625
this whole thing together. And I was

737
01:22:58,625 --> 01:23:00,041
like, this is epic. This could be half

738
01:23:00,041 --> 01:23:01,833
the show if we needed to just, you know,

739
01:23:02,208 --> 01:23:03,166
do one more thing.

740
01:23:04,083 --> 01:23:06,625
All that they had to do to find the swell

741
01:23:06,625 --> 01:23:08,208
shark was there. I mean, there were like

742
01:23:08,208 --> 01:23:09,708
four dives and, you know,

743
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:10,750
they tried fishing,

744
01:23:10,750 --> 01:23:12,083
they were scouting by air.

745
01:23:12,458 --> 01:23:12,833
You couldn't find swell sharks?

746
01:23:13,833 --> 01:23:16,125
It was impossible. They ended up going

747
01:23:16,125 --> 01:23:18,000
out to the Canary Islands and when they

748
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,291
got to the Canary, um,

749
01:23:19,666 --> 01:23:21,916
not the Canary Islands, the Channel

750
01:23:21,916 --> 01:23:24,416
Islands. And I always get them confused.

751
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:27,500
But, um, when they got out to the Channel

752
01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:30,708
Islands, um, and, uh, went down, they

753
01:23:30,708 --> 01:23:32,041
actually found an egg.

754
01:23:32,958 --> 01:23:34,583
And at that point, Forrest was like,

755
01:23:34,583 --> 01:23:35,791
we're not going anywhere else.

756
01:23:36,458 --> 01:23:39,375
And, um, so, cause I mean, if there's an

757
01:23:39,375 --> 01:23:40,958
egg, they're there, they don't go far,

758
01:23:41,166 --> 01:23:42,000
you know, they, they don't

759
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,958
even really go much further than

760
01:23:44,083 --> 01:23:45,375
maybe twice the size of this

761
01:23:45,375 --> 01:23:47,000
room. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

762
01:23:48,333 --> 01:23:50,333
No, go ahead. I, because those are like

763
01:23:50,333 --> 01:23:51,708
the horn sharks, well sharks

764
01:23:51,708 --> 01:23:53,083
in Southern California. You,

765
01:23:53,375 --> 01:23:54,958
you used to be pretty common. I haven't

766
01:23:54,958 --> 01:23:56,375
been diving down there in a long time,

767
01:23:56,375 --> 01:23:58,166
but they used to be pretty common to see,

768
01:23:58,166 --> 01:23:59,541
especially out the Channel Islands and

769
01:23:59,541 --> 01:24:01,041
stuff. So it, you say you're looking

770
01:24:01,041 --> 01:24:01,958
around for a swell shark.

771
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,000
It was like, man. Well, they had been

772
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,875
looking towards the land where they were

773
01:24:05,875 --> 01:24:06,625
hoping that, you know,

774
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:08,541
Forrest's first hope was, you know, like,

775
01:24:08,541 --> 01:24:10,041
let's just go somewhere where we think

776
01:24:10,041 --> 01:24:11,541
there's just going to be everything. And

777
01:24:11,541 --> 01:24:13,000
that's why he went to Diablo Canyon.

778
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,916
He's like, the hot water is going to have

779
01:24:14,916 --> 01:24:16,916
all this stuff, you know, let's just give

780
01:24:16,916 --> 01:24:18,875
it a shot. And it turned out to be a

781
01:24:18,875 --> 01:24:20,708
bust, but a great bust because they got

782
01:24:20,708 --> 01:24:22,583
busted by white sharks and, um,

783
01:24:22,625 --> 01:24:25,250
um, but then, um, he moved a little

784
01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:27,500
further South tried, tried, you know,

785
01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:29,083
doing, you know, the fishing method that,

786
01:24:29,083 --> 01:24:32,541
uh, was fun, but it really didn't prove

787
01:24:32,541 --> 01:24:35,875
to turn up a white, a swell shark. Um,

788
01:24:35,875 --> 01:24:37,666
but then going back out to the Channel

789
01:24:37,666 --> 01:24:40,333
Islands, something amazing happens during

790
01:24:40,333 --> 01:24:41,708
their crossing of the channel, by the

791
01:24:41,708 --> 01:24:42,333
way, that I actually

792
01:24:42,333 --> 01:24:43,541
won't give away in this. Yeah.

793
01:24:43,583 --> 01:24:47,041
That secret, a nice little surprise.

794
01:24:47,375 --> 01:24:50,416
Yeah. Uh, okay. I'll screw it. I'll give

795
01:24:50,416 --> 01:24:51,916
it away because I actually think it's a,

796
01:24:51,916 --> 01:24:54,500
it's a, it's a good theme of the show.

797
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:56,125
This was a discussion we had in post

798
01:24:56,125 --> 01:24:58,791
where we were like, how do we frame this

799
01:24:58,791 --> 01:25:01,291
around America to 50? And you know, one

800
01:25:01,291 --> 01:25:02,958
of the, one of the things was, you know,

801
01:25:02,958 --> 01:25:04,625
you think of the Serengeti when you think

802
01:25:04,625 --> 01:25:06,750
of migrations, you think of, you know,

803
01:25:06,750 --> 01:25:08,958
the butterflies coming from Mexico as a

804
01:25:08,958 --> 01:25:10,583
migration. But I think that like some of

805
01:25:10,583 --> 01:25:12,416
the best migrations happen in the water,

806
01:25:12,416 --> 01:25:13,541
both beneath the surface,

807
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,208
and you really don't see them if you're

808
01:25:15,208 --> 01:25:17,125
not out there every day, but a massive

809
01:25:17,125 --> 01:25:19,958
mega pod of dolphins and whales. I mean,

810
01:25:19,958 --> 01:25:21,500
these guys, they had to stop the boat. I

811
01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:22,791
mean, they were trying to navigate

812
01:25:22,791 --> 01:25:23,958
through it, just like we were talking

813
01:25:23,958 --> 01:25:26,000
about before we recorded with the ships

814
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,208
in the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Like, had

815
01:25:28,208 --> 01:25:30,875
they been going full speed? They, they,

816
01:25:30,875 --> 01:25:31,875
well, they couldn't have, it was a

817
01:25:31,875 --> 01:25:34,000
minefield of animals everywhere. They

818
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,750
looked, they ran in and saw, they saw a

819
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:37,833
spray and they stopped. And then suddenly

820
01:25:37,833 --> 01:25:39,583
they were surrounded by dolphins and

821
01:25:39,583 --> 01:25:40,750
whales. Like it was magic.

822
01:25:41,541 --> 01:25:44,791
And to me, that's a mass migration that

823
01:25:44,791 --> 01:25:47,208
you should think of when you think of

824
01:25:47,208 --> 01:25:49,958
animals in the world, that's an American

825
01:25:49,958 --> 01:25:52,166
mass migration. That's just as good as

826
01:25:52,166 --> 01:25:54,500
anything in Africa, you know? Yeah, yeah.

827
01:25:54,541 --> 01:25:56,458
And but they got out there and eventually

828
01:25:56,458 --> 01:25:58,500
they found the egg and

829
01:25:58,708 --> 01:26:02,750
they actually then found a shark way up

830
01:26:02,750 --> 01:26:05,583
in a crack and thought, well, let's just

831
01:26:05,583 --> 01:26:07,833
wait until nighttime, of course, you

832
01:26:07,833 --> 01:26:10,083
know, feeding and they went down. He was

833
01:26:10,083 --> 01:26:12,916
right there and glowed. Yeah, nice

834
01:26:12,916 --> 01:26:14,083
little, you know, the glow.

835
01:26:14,083 --> 01:26:15,875
That's right. The glow of the glow. Of

836
01:26:15,875 --> 01:26:17,375
course, course, always brings his floral

837
01:26:17,375 --> 01:26:19,541
lights. Okay. He doesn't leave home

838
01:26:19,541 --> 01:26:21,458
without his UV or black lights. You know,

839
01:26:21,458 --> 01:26:23,000
it's a pretty cool, cool. It's pretty

840
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,708
cool. It's kind of cool. It's kind of

841
01:26:24,708 --> 01:26:26,833
cold to see those. Yeah, that's cool.

842
01:26:27,166 --> 01:26:29,625
But the behind the scenes thing, though,

843
01:26:29,625 --> 01:26:32,250
like we filmed that it was awesome. We

844
01:26:32,250 --> 01:26:34,000
know we did the bonnet head that turned

845
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,583
out really impressive. And then the

846
01:26:35,583 --> 01:26:37,166
sawfish and we're like, you know what? We

847
01:26:37,166 --> 01:26:40,041
could just skip the the basking shark if

848
01:26:40,041 --> 01:26:42,000
we want to, you know, like we could call

849
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,125
we could put this show together and boom,

850
01:26:44,125 --> 01:26:46,291
it's done enforces like hell no, we got

851
01:26:46,291 --> 01:26:48,000
to get this bad. We got to go for all

852
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,625
four. He's a go getter, you know, man.

853
01:26:49,875 --> 01:26:51,833
Yeah. Yeah. And we're like, all right.

854
01:26:51,833 --> 01:26:53,416
So, you know, I start trimming the

855
01:26:53,416 --> 01:26:56,666
showdown and they go up to Boston and it

856
01:26:56,666 --> 01:26:57,083
actually was a great show.

857
01:26:57,083 --> 01:27:00,000
And I think it's amazing how you

858
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,166
highlight that because, you know, like if

859
01:27:02,166 --> 01:27:07,208
you if you do any kind of work in as a

860
01:27:07,208 --> 01:27:07,625
marine mammal scientist,

861
01:27:07,625 --> 01:27:09,708
you're doing aerial search.

862
01:27:19,333 --> 01:27:21,083
And, you know, planes and drones and

863
01:27:21,083 --> 01:27:24,333
everything have become a huge part in in

864
01:27:24,333 --> 01:27:27,041
allowing us to monitor animals from the

865
01:27:27,041 --> 01:27:28,791
surface at a distance where we're not interfering. You know, you don't have to be a

866
01:27:39,666 --> 01:27:41,041
like sometimes if you don't have to have

867
01:27:41,041 --> 01:27:42,916
divers in the water, I think it's it's

868
01:27:42,916 --> 01:27:43,958
it's really important to highlight that

869
01:27:43,958 --> 01:27:46,208
too, because it's it's become a really

870
01:27:46,208 --> 01:27:48,083
important aspect to science and

871
01:27:48,083 --> 01:27:48,875
conservation to be able to see these animals at that distance. Drones have been a huge advancement in what we do too, because being able to just survey, I mean, yeah, but I think that's really important.

872
01:27:49,125 --> 01:27:51,208
Well, I mean, to see these animals at

873
01:27:51,208 --> 01:27:54,166
that distance drones have been a huge

874
01:27:54,166 --> 01:27:56,875
advancement in what we do too, because

875
01:27:56,875 --> 01:27:58,958
being able to just survey, I mean, yeah,

876
01:27:58,958 --> 01:28:00,916
beautiful, big, high, wide shots. Great

877
01:28:00,916 --> 01:28:02,375
for taking you somewhere

878
01:28:02,375 --> 01:28:03,958
and dropping into a place.

879
01:28:04,250 --> 01:28:06,833
But using it for survey purposes is

880
01:28:06,833 --> 01:28:09,333
wonderful, especially in the vicinity.

881
01:28:09,875 --> 01:28:12,083
Yeah, we were trying to cover that big

882
01:28:12,083 --> 01:28:13,166
harbor. We had, you know,

883
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,416
airplane going all over the place.

884
01:28:15,458 --> 01:28:17,458
But yeah, if you guys notice with doing

885
01:28:17,458 --> 01:28:19,583
the drone stuff, because this happened, I

886
01:28:19,583 --> 01:28:21,375
was doing it as doing a show up here on

887
01:28:21,375 --> 01:28:23,958
the white sharks in Monterey Bay and the

888
01:28:23,958 --> 01:28:25,166
guy was flying the drone.

889
01:28:25,166 --> 01:28:26,541
He commented to me because he'd seen this

890
01:28:26,541 --> 01:28:28,208
before. But the white sharks, when

891
01:28:28,208 --> 01:28:29,458
they're up near the surface like that, if

892
01:28:29,458 --> 01:28:31,041
they see the shadow from the drone,

893
01:28:31,333 --> 01:28:32,291
they'll follow it almost

894
01:28:32,291 --> 01:28:33,875
like a cat with a laser thing.

895
01:28:34,125 --> 01:28:36,541
Oh, it was a weird. It was a strange

896
01:28:36,541 --> 01:28:38,625
because he said because the shark made a

897
01:28:38,625 --> 01:28:41,875
kind of a bit of a movement and he says,

898
01:28:41,875 --> 01:28:44,875
yeah, the sharks obviously picked up on

899
01:28:44,875 --> 01:28:46,958
the drone shadow on the water.

900
01:28:48,041 --> 01:28:50,916
It was a strange. I'd never it was the

901
01:28:50,916 --> 01:28:52,541
weirdest. And I saw the shark made a

902
01:28:52,541 --> 01:28:54,541
little bit of a kind of a perky journey.

903
01:28:55,166 --> 01:28:57,541
Yeah. And it was like, and when he said

904
01:28:57,541 --> 01:28:59,375
that, yeah, he was like he moved right

905
01:28:59,375 --> 01:29:01,000
towards where the shadow from the drone

906
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:01,666
was, you know, the

907
01:29:01,666 --> 01:29:02,500
drones aren't that big.

908
01:29:03,125 --> 01:29:06,000
But the white shark could pick up on the

909
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:07,583
shadow with that. And it was just

910
01:29:07,583 --> 01:29:09,125
interesting. I mean, I know

911
01:29:09,125 --> 01:29:10,666
that are they very visual?

912
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,750
White sharks are definitely not all

913
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:14,958
sharks. Every shark is a little

914
01:29:14,958 --> 01:29:16,125
different, but white sharks are very

915
01:29:16,125 --> 01:29:17,666
visual. They're very like

916
01:29:17,666 --> 01:29:19,458
maybe it's like kind of doing this.

917
01:29:19,458 --> 01:29:20,875
Maybe they were going under the shadow to

918
01:29:20,875 --> 01:29:22,958
give themselves a little. Well, when they

919
01:29:22,958 --> 01:29:25,625
when they when they hunt, they'll they'll

920
01:29:25,625 --> 01:29:26,958
cruise along the bottom and they're

921
01:29:26,958 --> 01:29:28,375
looking up for things.

922
01:29:28,833 --> 01:29:30,625
And when they'll attack, they'll come up

923
01:29:30,625 --> 01:29:34,083
for if they're attacking like a sea lion

924
01:29:34,083 --> 01:29:35,041
or something like that,

925
01:29:35,041 --> 01:29:36,958
they'll come from below typically.

926
01:29:38,041 --> 01:29:40,000
And I mean, you kind of like it went

927
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,250
extremely see like on shark week, you see

928
01:29:42,250 --> 01:29:43,791
the breaching sharks and stuff. A lot of

929
01:29:43,791 --> 01:29:45,500
times those white sharks and I've talked

930
01:29:45,500 --> 01:29:47,416
with guys have seen a lot of abalone

931
01:29:47,416 --> 01:29:48,416
divers would see them.

932
01:29:48,750 --> 01:29:50,500
They'll move along the bottom there and

933
01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:52,291
then they'll they'll come up when they

934
01:29:52,291 --> 01:29:54,541
when they see they see a shadow or

935
01:29:54,541 --> 01:29:56,208
something or what they're what they're

936
01:29:56,208 --> 01:29:57,000
maybe hunting a seal,

937
01:29:57,500 --> 01:29:58,333
a seal or something.

938
01:29:58,791 --> 01:30:00,458
That's worth investigating. I mean,

939
01:30:00,458 --> 01:30:02,458
that's a pretty interesting. Yeah, I love

940
01:30:02,458 --> 01:30:04,291
to see what I wanted to notice that

941
01:30:04,291 --> 01:30:06,541
sometime when Mitchell's running the

942
01:30:06,541 --> 01:30:08,500
drone and stuff, just kind of see if you

943
01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:10,916
ever if the shadow like goes in front of

944
01:30:10,916 --> 01:30:12,458
the shark, if the shark makes some kind

945
01:30:12,458 --> 01:30:14,208
of I won't say all sharks would do that.

946
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:16,333
But these white sharks won this white

947
01:30:16,333 --> 01:30:20,000
shark. I saw that as a weirdest thing.

948
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,416
And the guys just tell them right now,

949
01:30:21,416 --> 01:30:23,000
mention in forest, if you're watching

950
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:23,916
this, which I'm sure at

951
01:30:23,916 --> 01:30:24,833
some point you will be.

952
01:30:24,833 --> 01:30:27,291
Let's do that sometime. Yeah, yeah. Try

953
01:30:27,291 --> 01:30:29,458
to see if you get the shadow from your

954
01:30:29,458 --> 01:30:31,750
drone to do some with the white shark.

955
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:33,916
Yeah. See how it behaves and stuff would

956
01:30:33,916 --> 01:30:34,875
be really interesting to

957
01:30:34,875 --> 01:30:35,666
see if you get to do some.

958
01:30:35,708 --> 01:30:39,333
That's so I just think animal behavior is

959
01:30:39,333 --> 01:30:41,083
if you're tuned into it and you can

960
01:30:41,083 --> 01:30:42,500
actually see it and you know what to look

961
01:30:42,500 --> 01:30:44,666
for. You can speak their language. You

962
01:30:44,666 --> 01:30:45,666
can at least listen to it

963
01:30:45,666 --> 01:30:46,916
and know what they're doing.

964
01:30:47,125 --> 01:30:48,791
Saying, yeah, you know, I was going to

965
01:30:48,791 --> 01:30:51,041
say you hit a great point, Jesse, in that

966
01:30:51,041 --> 01:30:53,416
because, you know, the science really

967
01:30:53,416 --> 01:30:54,833
gets so hung up on the numbers and

968
01:30:54,833 --> 01:30:55,541
everything and doing

969
01:30:55,541 --> 01:30:56,666
statistics and show them.

970
01:30:56,666 --> 01:30:59,000
And when I was when I was a grad student,

971
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,625
my professor Leonard Kapanja was he was a

972
01:31:01,625 --> 01:31:03,333
birder. And if you ever been with

973
01:31:03,333 --> 01:31:05,666
birders, they're always watching the

974
01:31:05,666 --> 01:31:06,791
behavior of the birds.

975
01:31:06,791 --> 01:31:07,958
They're not sitting there taking like,

976
01:31:07,958 --> 01:31:10,958
you know, numbers and calculus. They're

977
01:31:10,958 --> 01:31:12,583
just watching the behavior of the birds.

978
01:31:12,583 --> 01:31:14,500
And he was really in got me into like

979
01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:16,416
watching how the sharks would behave.

980
01:31:17,666 --> 01:31:21,000
Just just just watching and just if he we

981
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:22,875
didn't have like GoPros and all the film

982
01:31:22,875 --> 01:31:24,708
that you have today or drones, but just

983
01:31:24,708 --> 01:31:27,000
watching what they do and you can pick up

984
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,125
a lot of stuff. You can't quantify it.

985
01:31:29,416 --> 01:31:30,041
It's like I just mentioned

986
01:31:30,041 --> 01:31:31,708
about the drone shadow thing.

987
01:31:32,291 --> 01:31:34,000
You can't quantify it, but it was clearly

988
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,708
this shark made some movement and the guy

989
01:31:36,708 --> 01:31:38,583
who does the drone stuff all the time

990
01:31:38,583 --> 01:31:41,041
said, yeah, he sees that when the if the

991
01:31:41,041 --> 01:31:43,500
shadow passes in front of like the white

992
01:31:43,500 --> 01:31:45,375
shark, sometimes they'll move towards it.

993
01:31:46,125 --> 01:31:47,833
Well, you know, I've noticed this about

994
01:31:47,833 --> 01:31:50,958
my my cat, but then I see it in big cats,

995
01:31:50,958 --> 01:31:53,541
too, is he'll be sitting with his butt

996
01:31:53,541 --> 01:31:56,166
towards you looking away, but then he'll

997
01:31:56,166 --> 01:31:59,291
look back at you over his shoulder and

998
01:31:59,291 --> 01:32:01,625
prefer to kind of have his body between

999
01:32:01,625 --> 01:32:03,291
you and them and kind of like the girl

1000
01:32:03,291 --> 01:32:03,666
with the pearl earring.

1001
01:32:03,666 --> 01:32:06,708
You know, she's kind of like looking that

1002
01:32:06,708 --> 01:32:09,541
way. And I always saw that in my cat and

1003
01:32:09,541 --> 01:32:11,416
just thought like, oh, that's cute. And

1004
01:32:11,416 --> 01:32:13,208
then we come out here to Ventura and I

1005
01:32:13,208 --> 01:32:15,291
see that in all of the tigers, all of the

1006
01:32:15,291 --> 01:32:17,166
lions. They all sit there with their back

1007
01:32:17,166 --> 01:32:18,958
kind of away and they look at you in this

1008
01:32:18,958 --> 01:32:20,208
way, like a person would

1009
01:32:20,208 --> 01:32:21,166
look over their shoulder.

1010
01:32:21,666 --> 01:32:24,375
Yeah, either direction. You know, some of

1011
01:32:24,375 --> 01:32:26,333
that may sometimes I don't watch it easy.

1012
01:32:26,333 --> 01:32:28,208
Don't watch the lot of the shark stuff

1013
01:32:28,208 --> 01:32:29,875
just because you live in the world. It's

1014
01:32:29,875 --> 01:32:31,041
like don't need to watch home

1015
01:32:31,041 --> 01:32:32,250
movies at night all the time.

1016
01:32:32,250 --> 01:32:34,291
But sometimes I would just like turn on.

1017
01:32:34,291 --> 01:32:36,041
I don't listen to the sound, but I'll

1018
01:32:36,041 --> 01:32:38,000
just watch what you guys are filming and

1019
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:41,166
you'll see behaviors show up. And I think

1020
01:32:41,166 --> 01:32:43,083
a lot of times they just they're so

1021
01:32:43,083 --> 01:32:44,875
focused on what you guys are like there

1022
01:32:44,875 --> 01:32:46,666
to film that you're not really watching.

1023
01:32:46,666 --> 01:32:49,250
Sometimes behaviors that are going on

1024
01:32:49,250 --> 01:32:51,791
that you might pick up on, you know, as

1025
01:32:51,791 --> 01:32:56,333
an editor. I started off cutting in when

1026
01:32:56,333 --> 01:32:59,166
I was in television casting reels, you

1027
01:32:59,166 --> 01:33:01,000
know, at first and then you eventually

1028
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,791
start doing bigger things, maybe a

1029
01:33:03,791 --> 01:33:04,666
presentation reel or a pilot.

1030
01:33:04,708 --> 01:33:07,250
And then they trust you enough to do

1031
01:33:07,250 --> 01:33:10,500
like, you know, the full show cutting

1032
01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:12,541
cooking shows, for example, there was

1033
01:33:12,541 --> 01:33:16,208
this one particular host that I used to

1034
01:33:16,208 --> 01:33:20,166
cut who had these little like personal

1035
01:33:20,166 --> 01:33:21,500
moments where she would be doing

1036
01:33:21,500 --> 01:33:22,916
something and tasting something and just

1037
01:33:22,916 --> 01:33:24,958
go like kind of just having her own

1038
01:33:24,958 --> 01:33:27,791
moment, like just in her, like maybe it

1039
01:33:27,791 --> 01:33:29,833
was triggering a memory of something that

1040
01:33:29,833 --> 01:33:30,875
her dad used to cook

1041
01:33:30,875 --> 01:33:31,666
or something like that.

1042
01:33:31,666 --> 01:33:34,458
And you know, you pay so much close

1043
01:33:34,458 --> 01:33:36,250
attention to the raw footage. You're

1044
01:33:36,250 --> 01:33:37,666
watching the way they breathe. You're

1045
01:33:37,666 --> 01:33:39,583
watching the way they walk, the way they

1046
01:33:39,583 --> 01:33:41,208
talk, everything, the where their eyes

1047
01:33:41,208 --> 01:33:42,875
are going, where their hands are going.

1048
01:33:42,875 --> 01:33:44,250
Are they nervous? Are they happy? Are

1049
01:33:44,250 --> 01:33:46,666
they calm? And you cut to that.

1050
01:33:46,750 --> 01:33:49,333
You've you see what they're doing and you

1051
01:33:49,333 --> 01:33:51,833
respond. And then it translated into the

1052
01:33:51,833 --> 01:33:54,000
animal world after going from cooking

1053
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,916
shows to the the other side of things.

1054
01:33:57,250 --> 01:33:59,708
The animal shows is, you know, you start

1055
01:33:59,708 --> 01:34:01,416
to watch their behaviors, particularly

1056
01:34:01,416 --> 01:34:05,125
sharks in particularly this one moment.

1057
01:34:05,125 --> 01:34:07,375
I remember things really clicked. This

1058
01:34:07,375 --> 01:34:09,791
was years into it. We were it was after

1059
01:34:09,791 --> 01:34:11,208
we had been doing this for a while and we

1060
01:34:11,208 --> 01:34:12,000
were filming a shark week

1061
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:13,041
off the coast of Mexico.

1062
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:16,875
And we had a fast turnaround. I was kept

1063
01:34:16,875 --> 01:34:18,625
cutting out on the boat. It was a narrow,

1064
01:34:19,083 --> 01:34:21,083
maybe nine meters wide, you know, in a

1065
01:34:21,083 --> 01:34:22,958
single hole. So, you know, you're

1066
01:34:22,958 --> 01:34:24,708
rocking. And I'm in there

1067
01:34:24,708 --> 01:34:26,458
with my edit machine rocking.

1068
01:34:26,875 --> 01:34:28,791
And, you know, every two seconds, your

1069
01:34:28,791 --> 01:34:31,250
body's being flung 20 feet up and down.

1070
01:34:32,125 --> 01:34:34,166
And it just I became in tune with the

1071
01:34:34,166 --> 01:34:36,541
waves. It started cutting without even

1072
01:34:36,541 --> 01:34:38,625
thinking about it in tune with the waves.

1073
01:34:38,708 --> 01:34:40,875
I was sitting on the waves that were in

1074
01:34:40,875 --> 01:34:43,791
the footage and with that started to be

1075
01:34:43,791 --> 01:34:46,000
it translated into the sharks movements

1076
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,750
and you start to place these edits on

1077
01:34:48,750 --> 01:34:49,541
these moments when the

1078
01:34:49,541 --> 01:34:51,458
shark moves in a certain way.

1079
01:34:51,458 --> 01:34:53,958
And it starts to like frame the movements

1080
01:34:53,958 --> 01:34:55,208
to where you see them more obviously,

1081
01:34:55,208 --> 01:34:56,875
because you cut out the stuff before and

1082
01:34:56,875 --> 01:34:59,208
after and you look at this behavior. And

1083
01:34:59,208 --> 01:35:01,041
we saw this a lot with white shark. I'm

1084
01:35:01,041 --> 01:35:03,333
sorry, with black tip oceanic black.

1085
01:35:03,833 --> 01:35:06,500
Watching them try to do these coordinated

1086
01:35:06,500 --> 01:35:08,958
moves around a piece of bait, you know,

1087
01:35:08,958 --> 01:35:10,458
where they would you'd start to see like

1088
01:35:10,458 --> 01:35:12,375
the structure. It's not just chaos. They

1089
01:35:12,375 --> 01:35:15,166
actually are moving in a way that's maybe

1090
01:35:15,166 --> 01:35:16,708
they're communicating. Maybe it's just

1091
01:35:16,708 --> 01:35:19,208
instinct. But they, you

1092
01:35:19,208 --> 01:35:20,666
know, do these little things.

1093
01:35:20,708 --> 01:35:22,250
You know, I don't know. It was no, you're

1094
01:35:22,250 --> 01:35:23,833
right. Exactly right. It's very

1095
01:35:23,833 --> 01:35:25,875
coordinated. I got I got to doing a lot

1096
01:35:25,875 --> 01:35:26,958
of this when I was in the when I was

1097
01:35:26,958 --> 01:35:29,833
doing my PhD and even my masters. You

1098
01:35:29,833 --> 01:35:31,208
watch you just sit and watch

1099
01:35:31,208 --> 01:35:32,125
what these things are doing.

1100
01:35:32,125 --> 01:35:34,166
And I that's why that's how I got onto

1101
01:35:34,166 --> 01:35:35,791
the whole thing with pack hunting because

1102
01:35:35,791 --> 01:35:37,500
I was the first one that document pack

1103
01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:39,208
hunting and I was watching it. And

1104
01:35:39,208 --> 01:35:41,833
fortunately, I was living in Africa and

1105
01:35:41,833 --> 01:35:43,500
Leonard get a component said, why don't

1106
01:35:43,500 --> 01:35:45,041
you read these books on the Serengeti

1107
01:35:45,041 --> 01:35:45,666
lion and the spotted hyena?

1108
01:35:45,666 --> 01:35:50,000
And I can you go watch him hunt and they

1109
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,000
are. It's very coordinated what they're

1110
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,166
doing. And I was and when I saw that I

1111
01:35:54,166 --> 01:35:55,666
was like, that's what these sharks are

1112
01:35:55,666 --> 01:35:58,000
doing. It's a very coordinated with these

1113
01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:59,625
seven gill sharks at the time were

1114
01:35:59,625 --> 01:36:01,666
coordinating the hunt on a Cape fur seal.

1115
01:36:01,666 --> 01:36:07,083
So one shark couldn't really take out one

1116
01:36:07,083 --> 01:36:09,000
of these Cape fur seals, but a pack of

1117
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,791
them could. And that's what you see with

1118
01:36:10,791 --> 01:36:13,125
like hyenas, particularly one might not

1119
01:36:13,125 --> 01:36:14,916
be able to take down like a wildebeest,

1120
01:36:15,125 --> 01:36:16,125
but a whole bunch of them can.

1121
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,041
And the same with the lions. They'll

1122
01:36:19,041 --> 01:36:21,708
coordinate and how they hunt. And it's

1123
01:36:21,708 --> 01:36:23,916
just it's not it's not random, but I just

1124
01:36:23,916 --> 01:36:25,291
young people that are you're doing the

1125
01:36:25,291 --> 01:36:27,791
field a lot. Just watch sometimes just

1126
01:36:27,791 --> 01:36:28,666
sit and watch if you can film.

1127
01:36:28,916 --> 01:36:31,875
It's even better. And then, you know,

1128
01:36:32,250 --> 01:36:33,625
learn something about like like said

1129
01:36:33,625 --> 01:36:36,333
other animal behaviors, you know, and try

1130
01:36:36,333 --> 01:36:38,041
to you can extrapolate or see what's

1131
01:36:38,041 --> 01:36:39,541
going on. But what you're saying, Jesse,

1132
01:36:39,541 --> 01:36:41,500
just makes absolute sense to me.

1133
01:36:41,500 --> 01:36:42,750
Well, well, Dave, you know, this was

1134
01:36:42,750 --> 01:36:45,416
actually I was had the honor of being

1135
01:36:45,416 --> 01:36:47,041
with you on this day. This was when we

1136
01:36:47,041 --> 01:36:48,958
were in South Africa on land of the law

1137
01:36:48,958 --> 01:36:51,750
sharks. This was our day off. And of

1138
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:53,458
course, forests day off. I mean, let's

1139
01:36:53,458 --> 01:36:54,666
just go catch sharks for fun. Yeah.

1140
01:36:54,708 --> 01:36:59,916
And so we went out off the off the coast

1141
01:36:59,916 --> 01:37:01,625
there. And that was the day that we had

1142
01:37:01,625 --> 01:37:03,291
just gone around and around and around

1143
01:37:03,291 --> 01:37:05,833
and conjured up this massive swarm of

1144
01:37:05,833 --> 01:37:09,666
black, black tips. That was a heck of a

1145
01:37:09,666 --> 01:37:11,000
day. Those were the first sharks I ever

1146
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:12,125
saw with my own eyes, by

1147
01:37:12,125 --> 01:37:13,666
the way. Oh, wow. OK. Yeah.

1148
01:37:13,708 --> 01:37:15,833
Yeah. But but even those sharks there

1149
01:37:15,833 --> 01:37:17,583
that day were out there doing that. If

1150
01:37:17,583 --> 01:37:19,333
you watch what they're doing, it wasn't

1151
01:37:19,333 --> 01:37:21,000
just random. They were just they were in

1152
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,458
a very coordinated pattern the way

1153
01:37:23,458 --> 01:37:25,416
they're behaving. And if you I don't know

1154
01:37:25,416 --> 01:37:26,416
if you guys ever went down, we didn't do

1155
01:37:26,416 --> 01:37:28,041
this that on that trip. But the film,

1156
01:37:28,041 --> 01:37:30,416
like the sardine run and stuff down in

1157
01:37:30,416 --> 01:37:32,666
South Africa. If you watch the sharks

1158
01:37:32,666 --> 01:37:36,000
feeding, it's not just there's a school

1159
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:37,208
of fish, obviously, but they're just

1160
01:37:37,208 --> 01:37:39,041
they're very targeted at what they're

1161
01:37:39,041 --> 01:37:40,791
doing. They're not just these random

1162
01:37:40,791 --> 01:37:42,666
killing machines and both jaws.

1163
01:37:42,666 --> 01:37:45,041
But they're just they're very coordinated

1164
01:37:45,041 --> 01:37:46,666
how they're how they're approaching the

1165
01:37:46,666 --> 01:37:50,208
the bait balls and stuff. I think animals

1166
01:37:50,208 --> 01:37:52,375
are so much more. And I mean, of course,

1167
01:37:52,375 --> 01:37:53,916
there's like everyone thinks a pig is

1168
01:37:53,916 --> 01:37:55,583
very intelligent and an elephant is very

1169
01:37:55,583 --> 01:37:57,875
intelligent. And absolutely, I don't

1170
01:37:57,875 --> 01:37:58,666
think it stops with these.

1171
01:37:58,666 --> 01:38:02,416
I think animals as a whole are so much

1172
01:38:02,416 --> 01:38:04,208
more intelligent than we give them credit

1173
01:38:04,208 --> 01:38:06,750
for. We were just very people centric. We

1174
01:38:06,750 --> 01:38:08,750
think, well, we've we do math and we

1175
01:38:08,750 --> 01:38:10,750
drive to work in a car. We work in a

1176
01:38:10,750 --> 01:38:12,875
skyscraper. We did all this good for us.

1177
01:38:12,875 --> 01:38:13,666
You know, pat ourselves on the back.

1178
01:38:13,708 --> 01:38:16,333
But I mean, a shark, for example, is

1179
01:38:16,333 --> 01:38:18,291
learned to survive or a white tail deer

1180
01:38:18,291 --> 01:38:20,458
is learned to survive in the woods with

1181
01:38:20,458 --> 01:38:23,625
no forks, no knives, no calculators, no

1182
01:38:23,625 --> 01:38:28,458
car, you know, no doctors. And they have.

1183
01:38:28,458 --> 01:38:31,083
You have to be highly intelligent in your

1184
01:38:31,083 --> 01:38:32,666
environment to be able to live like that.

1185
01:38:32,708 --> 01:38:35,208
Well, I mean, the shark, they will, you

1186
01:38:35,208 --> 01:38:36,583
know, a good example, sometimes the

1187
01:38:36,583 --> 01:38:38,708
sharks, if they're habituated to

1188
01:38:38,708 --> 01:38:41,416
associating boats with food and you guys

1189
01:38:41,416 --> 01:38:42,916
are out there, they'll come to the boat

1190
01:38:42,916 --> 01:38:43,458
thinking you're going

1191
01:38:43,458 --> 01:38:44,291
to give them some food.

1192
01:38:44,791 --> 01:38:46,500
Yeah. Of course, people do bait on the

1193
01:38:46,500 --> 01:38:47,833
time. But a lot of times we'll just come

1194
01:38:47,833 --> 01:38:49,125
up there because they just expect it. Rev

1195
01:38:49,125 --> 01:38:51,041
the engine a little bit in a dinner bell,

1196
01:38:51,041 --> 01:38:52,958
you know. And oh, yeah. Yeah. It's very,

1197
01:38:52,958 --> 01:38:54,666
very common to do. And so they get into

1198
01:38:54,666 --> 01:38:57,166
that. So they can pick up on things

1199
01:38:57,166 --> 01:38:59,125
pretty quickly as far as just learning

1200
01:38:59,125 --> 01:39:00,666
different types of behaviors and stuff.

1201
01:39:00,666 --> 01:39:01,875
So that that'd be something that'd be

1202
01:39:01,875 --> 01:39:03,666
cool if they could just do some kinds of

1203
01:39:03,666 --> 01:39:06,541
shark week shows like that to kind of

1204
01:39:06,541 --> 01:39:09,000
show these interesting behaviors. It

1205
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,000
probably would take like a lot of effort

1206
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,458
to get them. And I'm sure like blow out

1207
01:39:13,458 --> 01:39:14,125
the budget for

1208
01:39:14,125 --> 01:39:16,250
Discovery Channel to try to.

1209
01:39:16,666 --> 01:39:18,333
You know, it's funny you say that

1210
01:39:18,333 --> 01:39:19,708
because, you know, sitting here, you

1211
01:39:19,708 --> 01:39:21,083
know, we're filming this Vintara show.

1212
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,833
And I think one of the biggest themes of

1213
01:39:23,833 --> 01:39:26,875
it is the conditioning and care that is

1214
01:39:26,875 --> 01:39:29,458
given to these animals. These are all

1215
01:39:29,458 --> 01:39:31,666
rescued animals. They're not the kind of

1216
01:39:31,666 --> 01:39:32,666
animals you go to see in a

1217
01:39:32,666 --> 01:39:34,666
zoo. They have traumatic pasts.

1218
01:39:34,666 --> 01:39:39,791
They were, you know, maybe part of a zoo

1219
01:39:39,791 --> 01:39:41,791
that, you know, couldn't feed them as

1220
01:39:41,791 --> 01:39:43,500
well anymore. Maybe they're, you know,

1221
01:39:44,375 --> 01:39:47,041
financially had to give them up and put

1222
01:39:47,041 --> 01:39:48,833
them somewhere to save them from

1223
01:39:48,833 --> 01:39:51,416
malnourishment or they were rescued

1224
01:39:51,416 --> 01:39:56,333
logging elephant or a rescued man eating

1225
01:39:56,333 --> 01:39:58,666
tiger that the state wanted to kill.

1226
01:39:58,708 --> 01:40:01,125
And they decided to give it a life. You

1227
01:40:01,125 --> 01:40:02,625
know, they have to spend time

1228
01:40:02,625 --> 01:40:04,541
conditioning the animals to be able to

1229
01:40:04,541 --> 01:40:06,458
medically care for them. If you want to

1230
01:40:06,458 --> 01:40:09,708
draw blood from a leopard's tail. Well,

1231
01:40:09,708 --> 01:40:12,041
you can't sedate an animal to draw blood.

1232
01:40:12,333 --> 01:40:14,000
That's not going to be your markers are

1233
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:15,583
going to be off. You know, you want to

1234
01:40:15,583 --> 01:40:17,708
have good clear markers. You got to keep

1235
01:40:17,708 --> 01:40:19,666
them awake. And so you have to condition

1236
01:40:19,666 --> 01:40:22,208
these animals to present their tail. So

1237
01:40:22,208 --> 01:40:23,458
you can draw the blood out

1238
01:40:23,458 --> 01:40:25,625
while they are perfectly alert.

1239
01:40:25,708 --> 01:40:29,000
And the speed at which the keepers and

1240
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:32,083
the biologists here at Bintara take an

1241
01:40:32,083 --> 01:40:34,333
animal that's a rescue from God knows

1242
01:40:34,333 --> 01:40:38,000
what kind of situation to this sanctuary

1243
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:42,166
within I'd say weeks. They've got them

1244
01:40:42,166 --> 01:40:45,125
able to sit there calmly present their

1245
01:40:45,125 --> 01:40:47,041
tail through the, you know, the, you

1246
01:40:47,041 --> 01:40:48,375
know, the fencing or enclosure.

1247
01:40:48,666 --> 01:40:50,916
And you know, everyone's, you know,

1248
01:40:50,916 --> 01:40:52,625
feeding it a little bit, you know, saying

1249
01:40:52,625 --> 01:40:54,583
nice things, playing calming music, all

1250
01:40:54,583 --> 01:40:56,541
that stuff is real here and they'll just

1251
01:40:56,541 --> 01:40:58,666
draw the blood. Yeah, nothing ever

1252
01:40:58,666 --> 01:41:00,375
happened. And then they have they know

1253
01:41:00,375 --> 01:41:02,041
they know how that animal's doing

1254
01:41:02,041 --> 01:41:05,541
perfectly. I think, you know, yeah, and

1255
01:41:05,541 --> 01:41:06,958
that's fast. I mean, it's like a couple

1256
01:41:06,958 --> 01:41:08,541
of weeks and they get that animal at

1257
01:41:08,541 --> 01:41:10,625
least to where they can start to actually

1258
01:41:10,625 --> 01:41:12,375
work with it. You know, that's a whole

1259
01:41:12,375 --> 01:41:13,958
fascinating side of just animal behavior

1260
01:41:13,958 --> 01:41:14,666
in general, even just beyond charge.

1261
01:41:14,666 --> 01:41:17,291
But people, because people can see the

1262
01:41:17,291 --> 01:41:19,125
land animals, the terrestrial animals,

1263
01:41:19,416 --> 01:41:20,875
you can pick up on that. But when you

1264
01:41:20,875 --> 01:41:22,708
start dealing with fish or particularly

1265
01:41:22,708 --> 01:41:25,333
sharks, everybody, you're limited on.

1266
01:41:25,333 --> 01:41:26,166
People always ask you, like,

1267
01:41:26,166 --> 01:41:26,666
well, you do a lot of diving.

1268
01:41:26,708 --> 01:41:28,916
This is well, can't really do a lot of

1269
01:41:28,916 --> 01:41:30,750
diving because you only got like maybe 45

1270
01:41:30,750 --> 01:41:33,125
minutes underwater, depending on how deep

1271
01:41:33,125 --> 01:41:35,916
you are. Yeah. And, and, and you've got

1272
01:41:35,916 --> 01:41:37,958
a, and so you in the sharks, because you

1273
01:41:37,958 --> 01:41:40,291
put yourself in there, it's like, it's

1274
01:41:40,291 --> 01:41:41,208
like I tell people, you know, if you

1275
01:41:41,208 --> 01:41:42,666
drive out in the Serengeti and you flip

1276
01:41:42,666 --> 01:41:45,000
beef steaks outside your Land Rover

1277
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,875
window and the lions come up and eat the

1278
01:41:46,875 --> 01:41:47,875
beef steaks, you'll get

1279
01:41:47,875 --> 01:41:48,625
some really cool pictures.

1280
01:41:48,666 --> 01:41:49,916
But is that really telling anything about

1281
01:41:49,916 --> 01:41:52,541
the lions? No. So if you put yourself in

1282
01:41:52,541 --> 01:41:55,000
the water with the sharks, how is that

1283
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:56,708
your presence there affecting that?

1284
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,291
That's why I think bruv, bruv's and those

1285
01:41:59,291 --> 01:42:00,125
types of things are much

1286
01:42:00,125 --> 01:42:02,041
better for learning something.

1287
01:42:03,083 --> 01:42:05,000
I think the more candid anything like

1288
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,125
that, you know, one of the things that

1289
01:42:07,125 --> 01:42:09,625
animals do also is they mask, you know,

1290
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,416
that's why you always find out about your

1291
01:42:11,416 --> 01:42:12,666
cat's illness after it's too late.

1292
01:42:13,666 --> 01:42:16,875
Hiding it from you. And there's a

1293
01:42:16,875 --> 01:42:19,750
gentleman here who is the head bear

1294
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:23,000
curator and biologist who because bears

1295
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,375
are another one that are like way more

1296
01:42:25,375 --> 01:42:26,666
smart than you think they are.

1297
01:42:26,708 --> 01:42:29,208
Yep. To the point to where if there's a

1298
01:42:29,208 --> 01:42:31,583
bear that wants to go meet a girlfriend

1299
01:42:31,583 --> 01:42:34,083
bear but doesn't want another bear to

1300
01:42:34,083 --> 01:42:35,833
know that they were doing this thing

1301
01:42:35,833 --> 01:42:37,291
because there's like social dynamics.

1302
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:39,000
They'll go up, they'll have their little

1303
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,166
get together with his girlfriend. And

1304
01:42:41,166 --> 01:42:43,125
when the bear leaves, he'll close the

1305
01:42:43,125 --> 01:42:45,750
enclosure door like the little bedroom

1306
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:47,500
hut that they have made to

1307
01:42:47,500 --> 01:42:49,666
like not to erase their steps.

1308
01:42:49,666 --> 01:42:52,416
I mean, that is scary. Yeah, but one

1309
01:42:52,416 --> 01:42:54,500
thing that not scary, it's impressive.

1310
01:42:54,875 --> 01:42:57,666
But yeah, they started using remote

1311
01:42:57,666 --> 01:43:01,416
cameras and they're designing programs

1312
01:43:01,416 --> 01:43:04,166
that will actually be able to see, oh,

1313
01:43:04,166 --> 01:43:06,291
this one didn't have a limp when I was

1314
01:43:06,291 --> 01:43:07,541
there, but showing a limp

1315
01:43:07,541 --> 01:43:09,666
on video on security cam.

1316
01:43:10,500 --> 01:43:11,916
And then they know they can catch things

1317
01:43:11,916 --> 01:43:15,083
earlier because when their keepers

1318
01:43:15,083 --> 01:43:17,125
around, they're acting like everything's

1319
01:43:17,125 --> 01:43:19,500
fine. And then the second they turn away

1320
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:20,791
when no one's looking, that's when the

1321
01:43:20,791 --> 01:43:22,333
lint comes back. That's interesting.

1322
01:43:22,333 --> 01:43:24,583
Yeah, I really can't. Well, I know if you

1323
01:43:24,583 --> 01:43:26,291
know sharks, if you ever see, I've seen

1324
01:43:26,291 --> 01:43:28,375
this experience is where if you catch one

1325
01:43:28,375 --> 01:43:30,958
like on a line, all of it is because he's

1326
01:43:30,958 --> 01:43:32,166
in distress, all of his buddies will

1327
01:43:32,166 --> 01:43:32,666
immediately turn on him and eat him.

1328
01:43:33,666 --> 01:43:36,458
Oh, I don't know if you guys, if you're,

1329
01:43:36,458 --> 01:43:40,916
oh yeah, that's that's pretty easy film

1330
01:43:40,916 --> 01:43:42,791
that it's pretty graphic when they turn

1331
01:43:42,791 --> 01:43:44,875
on when they turn on their pal and they

1332
01:43:44,875 --> 01:43:47,208
just start just, it's just like just a

1333
01:43:47,208 --> 01:43:49,375
pack of sharks will turn on him and just

1334
01:43:49,375 --> 01:43:51,583
start tearing him apart and eating them

1335
01:43:51,583 --> 01:43:53,208
basically because he's distressed.

1336
01:43:54,666 --> 01:43:57,833
Wow. Yeah. If you catch, well, you know,

1337
01:43:57,833 --> 01:43:59,333
you probably see this a lot of times that

1338
01:43:59,333 --> 01:44:01,291
people catch bony fish, right? And the

1339
01:44:01,291 --> 01:44:02,916
sharks will come up and bite a bony fish.

1340
01:44:02,916 --> 01:44:05,000
Well, if you catch a shark and he's like,

1341
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,458
you know, putting off the right vibe,

1342
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:08,791
trying to, you're trying to land the

1343
01:44:08,791 --> 01:44:09,666
shark, his buddies will come and eat him.

1344
01:44:10,666 --> 01:44:13,250
I always just assumed something like that

1345
01:44:13,250 --> 01:44:16,500
would happen because it was in distress,

1346
01:44:16,750 --> 01:44:19,416
but, you know, captive, you know, like

1347
01:44:19,416 --> 01:44:21,208
when you go fishing with a fishing lure

1348
01:44:21,208 --> 01:44:22,958
and they bite the worm, all, you know, I

1349
01:44:22,958 --> 01:44:23,666
bite a worm, you know, it's there.

1350
01:44:23,708 --> 01:44:27,000
Yeah. But the thing is, if the shark gets

1351
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,666
off the line and swims around, they'll

1352
01:44:29,666 --> 01:44:32,000
leave him alone unless he's wounded. But

1353
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:33,750
if he, as long as he's on that line, I

1354
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:35,000
mean, I've seen this with the other guys

1355
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,583
will just come right in and just fricking

1356
01:44:37,583 --> 01:44:39,416
nail them and just just like it's like a

1357
01:44:39,416 --> 01:44:41,791
pack of Hein is just decided like the

1358
01:44:41,791 --> 01:44:42,666
dinner bell went off.

1359
01:44:42,666 --> 01:44:43,541
Even though that might've been, you know,

1360
01:44:43,541 --> 01:44:45,583
they might even their pal Fred. It's

1361
01:44:45,583 --> 01:44:48,041
like, oh, well, that's what happens when

1362
01:44:48,041 --> 01:44:49,625
you're that's why they call them sharks.

1363
01:44:49,625 --> 01:44:51,750
Yeah. Yeah. They clean up the ocean.

1364
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:52,666
There's no, there's no sink.

1365
01:44:52,958 --> 01:44:54,666
There's no sick ones around. That's for

1366
01:44:54,666 --> 01:44:57,291
sure. No, no. A lot of a lot of a lot of

1367
01:44:57,291 --> 01:44:59,791
good ones. So for sure. So do you know

1368
01:44:59,791 --> 01:45:00,916
much about any of the other shows that

1369
01:45:00,916 --> 01:45:03,125
are on this year? Jesse, any other show?

1370
01:45:03,291 --> 01:45:05,875
Yeah, I wish I will after the end of

1371
01:45:05,875 --> 01:45:07,125
shark week because I usually actually

1372
01:45:07,125 --> 01:45:08,833
like to watch a lot of those, you know,

1373
01:45:08,833 --> 01:45:10,083
like I like to see what

1374
01:45:10,083 --> 01:45:11,666
other people like me do.

1375
01:45:11,708 --> 01:45:14,083
You know, it's it's inspiring to see, you

1376
01:45:14,083 --> 01:45:16,000
know, other people's work particularly.

1377
01:45:16,500 --> 01:45:18,208
And it also I think they probably watch

1378
01:45:18,208 --> 01:45:20,666
our show and take things. I mean, I

1379
01:45:20,666 --> 01:45:22,416
always feel like shark week is like a

1380
01:45:22,416 --> 01:45:25,666
film festival for adults who are actually

1381
01:45:25,666 --> 01:45:27,833
working in the field but still want to do

1382
01:45:27,833 --> 01:45:29,125
because it's like you've got all these

1383
01:45:29,125 --> 01:45:30,416
different companies and they're all like

1384
01:45:30,416 --> 01:45:32,250
keeping their little project secret over

1385
01:45:32,250 --> 01:45:34,083
here and secret over here. And then when

1386
01:45:34,083 --> 01:45:35,375
it's out there, you want to see what all

1387
01:45:35,375 --> 01:45:36,791
your colleagues are doing. You know,

1388
01:45:36,791 --> 01:45:38,583
these are it's a small community, you

1389
01:45:38,583 --> 01:45:39,583
know, I mean, oh, yeah,

1390
01:45:39,583 --> 01:45:41,125
that's what that's nine shows.

1391
01:45:41,916 --> 01:45:43,833
Twelve shows a year, you know, maybe 15.

1392
01:45:44,333 --> 01:45:47,208
Yeah. And most of the guys I see at

1393
01:45:47,208 --> 01:45:48,833
conferences and around anyway, so it's

1394
01:45:48,833 --> 01:45:50,375
like what I need to watch my TV for, you

1395
01:45:50,375 --> 01:45:51,291
know, I already I already

1396
01:45:51,291 --> 01:45:53,125
heard the story and on it.

1397
01:45:53,416 --> 01:45:55,500
And I'm usually the behind the story

1398
01:45:55,500 --> 01:45:57,541
after the show's kind of there, too. So

1399
01:45:57,541 --> 01:46:01,333
but that's just because I'm in that

1400
01:46:01,333 --> 01:46:02,666
world. But it's you know, if you haven't

1401
01:46:02,666 --> 01:46:03,625
seen it, it's definitely kind of

1402
01:46:03,625 --> 01:46:04,333
fascinating to watch.

1403
01:46:04,708 --> 01:46:06,625
I saw like our I saw like our pal Tristan

1404
01:46:06,625 --> 01:46:08,083
Gutridge. He's like, he's a guy like four

1405
01:46:08,083 --> 01:46:11,000
shows this year or something. Yeah. So

1406
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,000
he's like, I honestly don't know how he

1407
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,041
does it. I mean, I do know how he does

1408
01:46:15,041 --> 01:46:17,583
it. But it's so much energy involved, you

1409
01:46:17,583 --> 01:46:21,250
know, doing a any kind of a series work,

1410
01:46:21,250 --> 01:46:22,500
you know, or multiple

1411
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:24,208
episodes at the same time.

1412
01:46:24,791 --> 01:46:27,625
It doesn't just double and triple things.

1413
01:46:27,625 --> 01:46:29,833
If you have one show going on, that's a

1414
01:46:29,833 --> 01:46:31,750
major commitment. But when you go from

1415
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:34,375
one to two, it's it's exponential. And

1416
01:46:34,375 --> 01:46:36,541
then you go from two to three, just like

1417
01:46:36,541 --> 01:46:37,666
my I have friends who

1418
01:46:37,666 --> 01:46:39,083
had two kids for a while.

1419
01:46:39,083 --> 01:46:40,916
Then suddenly they had a third kid and it

1420
01:46:40,916 --> 01:46:42,791
it was like going to six kids at that

1421
01:46:42,791 --> 01:46:45,500
point. Yeah. Yeah. And doing six shows at

1422
01:46:45,500 --> 01:46:48,583
once, it requires an entire company and

1423
01:46:48,583 --> 01:46:50,416
multiple departments in a

1424
01:46:50,416 --> 01:46:51,666
huge coordinated effort.

1425
01:46:51,708 --> 01:46:56,041
And that's obviously that's what Tristan

1426
01:46:56,041 --> 01:46:58,583
is doing for the for all of he's doing.

1427
01:46:58,583 --> 01:47:00,458
And there was another one I saw who had

1428
01:47:00,458 --> 01:47:03,000
three three this year. Yeah. Adam

1429
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:04,708
Barnett's on three of them this year. And

1430
01:47:04,708 --> 01:47:06,208
actually, you get Adam's a friend of

1431
01:47:06,208 --> 01:47:07,500
mine. We have he's in Australia. I

1432
01:47:07,500 --> 01:47:08,791
haven't had Adam. I don't know if you

1433
01:47:08,791 --> 01:47:10,416
guys, you know, Adam. I got to have he's

1434
01:47:10,416 --> 01:47:12,583
a guy we got to have on some time. I know

1435
01:47:12,583 --> 01:47:14,375
of him. Yeah. No, I know. I know. I've

1436
01:47:14,375 --> 01:47:15,541
known him quite a while. He's got. I've

1437
01:47:15,541 --> 01:47:17,416
just had been in touch with him. Yeah,

1438
01:47:17,416 --> 01:47:18,583
he's definitely something. I see Charlie

1439
01:47:18,583 --> 01:47:20,416
Huvenir's has got a couple episodes on

1440
01:47:20,416 --> 01:47:20,666
to. Yeah, I saw that.

1441
01:47:20,666 --> 01:47:23,708
Yeah, I saw that. And there may be some

1442
01:47:23,708 --> 01:47:24,791
other people, but those are the two.

1443
01:47:24,791 --> 01:47:26,208
Those are the two that sort of jumped out

1444
01:47:26,208 --> 01:47:29,333
was Adam and Charlie and Lauren Meyer.

1445
01:47:29,541 --> 01:47:30,916
She's in a couple of them as well with

1446
01:47:30,916 --> 01:47:33,291
with the Lauren's been on the podcast as

1447
01:47:33,291 --> 01:47:34,625
well. But yeah, so I was kind of

1448
01:47:34,625 --> 01:47:35,583
surprised that I just saw

1449
01:47:35,583 --> 01:47:36,666
Forrest had the one this year. But.

1450
01:47:37,666 --> 01:47:39,833
Well, you know, but you're you raise a

1451
01:47:39,833 --> 01:47:41,333
good point there, Dave is like, I'm

1452
01:47:41,333 --> 01:47:42,875
really excited for this year's shark

1453
01:47:42,875 --> 01:47:44,416
week. Like, I think there's gonna be a

1454
01:47:44,416 --> 01:47:47,083
lot of really good heartfelt content, you

1455
01:47:47,083 --> 01:47:48,458
know, I mean, I think a lot of people are

1456
01:47:48,458 --> 01:47:50,416
doing similar kind of themes, not all of

1457
01:47:50,416 --> 01:47:53,666
them. You know, we wanted to do this.

1458
01:47:53,708 --> 01:47:56,791
The the America to 50 theme because a

1459
01:47:56,791 --> 01:47:59,541
forest has been on the road since October

1460
01:47:59,541 --> 01:48:01,958
of 2024 and would have liked to have

1461
01:48:01,958 --> 01:48:04,541
stayed home for a little bit. And it just

1462
01:48:04,541 --> 01:48:06,291
kind of because, you know, we even frame

1463
01:48:06,291 --> 01:48:08,083
the whole show, like most of our shows

1464
01:48:08,083 --> 01:48:09,625
are halfway around the world. But this

1465
01:48:09,625 --> 01:48:11,291
one, we've decided to stay home.

1466
01:48:11,708 --> 01:48:14,750
And we got a great show. It's probably

1467
01:48:14,750 --> 01:48:17,541
our best one so far. Yeah, great. Yeah. I

1468
01:48:17,541 --> 01:48:19,208
hope I hope everybody tunes in and

1469
01:48:19,208 --> 01:48:21,166
catches the show. They will too, because

1470
01:48:21,166 --> 01:48:22,875
they're interested in learning about

1471
01:48:22,875 --> 01:48:24,291
different types of sharks. And this is

1472
01:48:24,291 --> 01:48:25,416
the one that you're going to see on a

1473
01:48:25,416 --> 01:48:25,666
different type of shark.

1474
01:48:25,708 --> 01:48:27,000
Sure. Definitely going to be the one

1475
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:29,208
here. But yeah, so and I'll yeah, never

1476
01:48:29,208 --> 01:48:30,375
been checking or checking all the other

1477
01:48:30,375 --> 01:48:32,000
shows. I just kind of saw the summary and

1478
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:33,333
a few of them there and just cause some

1479
01:48:33,333 --> 01:48:35,458
of the people that were involved with it

1480
01:48:35,458 --> 01:48:38,583
and stuff. And I also I was just at the

1481
01:48:38,583 --> 01:48:40,250
Sharks International in Colombo Sri

1482
01:48:40,250 --> 01:48:42,708
Lanka. So I saw quite a few of these

1483
01:48:42,708 --> 01:48:44,875
people are already there just at a

1484
01:48:44,875 --> 01:48:46,333
conference. Now, so we got to have like,

1485
01:48:46,333 --> 01:48:48,041
we have a lot of fun stuff there. But

1486
01:48:48,041 --> 01:48:50,375
actually, one show that caught my eye is

1487
01:48:50,375 --> 01:48:52,583
they have one. It's called a K-pop shark

1488
01:48:52,583 --> 01:48:53,333
heroes, which I have

1489
01:48:53,333 --> 01:48:54,666
no idea what K-pop is.

1490
01:48:54,708 --> 01:48:57,250
It's an expression. It's all the right.

1491
01:48:57,583 --> 01:49:00,666
You've never heard of. Yeah. Yeah. I

1492
01:49:00,666 --> 01:49:02,416
didn't even know that. I just heard

1493
01:49:02,416 --> 01:49:04,125
K-pop. I didn't. I have no idea what it

1494
01:49:04,125 --> 01:49:06,833
is. K-pop is Korean pop music and it's

1495
01:49:06,833 --> 01:49:09,375
it's it's global at this point. And

1496
01:49:09,375 --> 01:49:12,208
they're definitely hitting on the

1497
01:49:12,208 --> 01:49:14,666
popularity of K-pop.

1498
01:49:14,708 --> 01:49:16,791
I saw this guy Ken Jeong, who is Korean.

1499
01:49:16,791 --> 01:49:19,458
He's a he's a from the what's that?

1500
01:49:19,458 --> 01:49:21,000
What's this? What was that? Sir, the

1501
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:22,625
hangover hangover

1502
01:49:22,625 --> 01:49:25,458
movies. Yeah, it was hilarious.

1503
01:49:25,916 --> 01:49:28,750
Yeah. He's hosting. Isn't he hosting all

1504
01:49:28,750 --> 01:49:30,291
the circles? Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

1505
01:49:30,291 --> 01:49:31,708
K-pop one. I know he's I don't know. He

1506
01:49:31,708 --> 01:49:33,083
knows you're doing that all the whole of

1507
01:49:33,083 --> 01:49:34,583
the whole week or so. Yeah. OK.

1508
01:49:34,708 --> 01:49:37,083
I'm sorry. K-pop. That was that was the

1509
01:49:37,083 --> 01:49:38,750
one that kind of caught my eye. What the

1510
01:49:38,750 --> 01:49:41,625
hell's K-pop? I don't know. I'm I'm aging

1511
01:49:41,625 --> 01:49:45,291
myself. But I I wish it was spicier.

1512
01:49:45,291 --> 01:49:46,666
That's all I'm saying is I wish it was. I

1513
01:49:46,666 --> 01:49:48,541
wish K-pop had some spice. It doesn't.

1514
01:49:48,541 --> 01:49:51,291
It's music. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I got

1515
01:49:51,291 --> 01:49:53,500
no chicken. Well, I got one for you,

1516
01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:56,000
Jesse. So I so I was just at this. I gave

1517
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,541
a presentation on a paper and it was on

1518
01:49:58,541 --> 01:50:00,333
guitar fish guitar sharks actually funny

1519
01:50:00,333 --> 01:50:02,750
enough. And the title of

1520
01:50:02,750 --> 01:50:03,666
talk was playing for time.

1521
01:50:03,708 --> 01:50:07,916
And so I had up. So I had up my opening

1522
01:50:07,916 --> 01:50:12,916
slide was Eddie Van Halen. Right. Well,

1523
01:50:13,541 --> 01:50:15,291
half my off actually three quarters of my

1524
01:50:15,291 --> 01:50:18,250
authors are all like under 30. They had

1525
01:50:18,250 --> 01:50:20,000
never heard of Eddie Van Halen or Van

1526
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:23,875
Halen. Travis D. Travis. It's just it's

1527
01:50:23,875 --> 01:50:26,958
just it's criminal. You know, man, we all

1528
01:50:26,958 --> 01:50:29,125
know who Beethoven was. Come on. Right. I

1529
01:50:29,125 --> 01:50:31,458
know exactly. I mean, it wasn't like he

1530
01:50:31,458 --> 01:50:32,666
was some like sort of unheard of.

1531
01:50:32,708 --> 01:50:36,333
Guy. And so my first question my talk

1532
01:50:36,333 --> 01:50:38,916
was, has anybody here under 35 ever heard

1533
01:50:38,916 --> 01:50:42,208
of this guy and just crickets? Frickets.

1534
01:50:42,208 --> 01:50:44,666
Unreal. Nothing. I was just like, and so

1535
01:50:44,666 --> 01:50:46,166
I go, yeah, I go. I go three quarters of

1536
01:50:46,166 --> 01:50:47,541
my authors don't even know who this guy

1537
01:50:47,541 --> 01:50:49,750
is. And they're on the paper and they're

1538
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:52,083
doing this paper on. So it was hilarious.

1539
01:50:52,500 --> 01:50:54,166
So well, there you go. So everybody gets

1540
01:50:54,166 --> 01:50:56,583
one. It was K-pop for you. And even for

1541
01:50:56,583 --> 01:50:59,416
all them. Right. Exactly. So I mean,

1542
01:50:59,416 --> 01:51:00,875
there's a lot I could I could probably

1543
01:51:00,875 --> 01:51:01,666
not. I couldn't actually listen to that.

1544
01:51:01,708 --> 01:51:03,416
I couldn't actually list all the stuff I

1545
01:51:03,416 --> 01:51:04,625
don't know because I don't know what I

1546
01:51:04,625 --> 01:51:06,375
don't know. I know it's just something I

1547
01:51:06,375 --> 01:51:08,250
go lots. Probably if I had kids like you

1548
01:51:08,250 --> 01:51:10,958
got young younger teenage kids. And you

1549
01:51:10,958 --> 01:51:12,375
probably had a pretty good idea. But

1550
01:51:12,375 --> 01:51:14,166
K-pop, I'm sure it's probably what I do.

1551
01:51:14,166 --> 01:51:17,833
I'm in the know. I am. Yeah. To the to

1552
01:51:17,833 --> 01:51:20,166
the what the kids are up to. No. But I I

1553
01:51:20,166 --> 01:51:22,250
know there's a show, isn't it, called

1554
01:51:22,250 --> 01:51:25,083
K-pop demon hunters? I think is where it

1555
01:51:25,083 --> 01:51:26,875
got really, really popular this year. So

1556
01:51:26,875 --> 01:51:29,166
yeah, it's the funniest little trends

1557
01:51:29,166 --> 01:51:30,666
that come up. Like in my YouTube.

1558
01:51:30,708 --> 01:51:33,791
Real or whatever shorts feed, you know,

1559
01:51:33,791 --> 01:51:36,041
everyone's just like sitting down for

1560
01:51:36,041 --> 01:51:37,541
their Netflix interview. I see here.

1561
01:51:37,541 --> 01:51:39,291
That's my it's my shark week. There you

1562
01:51:39,291 --> 01:51:41,166
go. It's my I'm sitting down for my shark

1563
01:51:41,166 --> 01:51:43,375
week interview now. Yeah. I've seen that

1564
01:51:43,375 --> 01:51:45,208
trend. It's like a Netflix documentary

1565
01:51:45,208 --> 01:51:47,041
trend. Yes. I mean, it's going to be out

1566
01:51:47,041 --> 01:51:48,833
of style next week. It's probably already

1567
01:51:48,833 --> 01:51:51,333
gone. But you know, what's what I think I

1568
01:51:51,333 --> 01:51:52,875
travel around like it goes places like

1569
01:51:52,875 --> 01:51:54,208
these place that go with like these

1570
01:51:54,208 --> 01:51:56,166
younger grad students are like, you know,

1571
01:51:56,166 --> 01:51:57,833
30 ish or so. And so that's that's where

1572
01:51:57,833 --> 01:51:59,666
I pick up my like sort of like modern.

1573
01:51:59,708 --> 01:52:02,333
Like what's what's what's hip this week,

1574
01:52:02,333 --> 01:52:04,583
guys? I think it's good to surround

1575
01:52:04,583 --> 01:52:06,416
yourself with two kinds of people, people

1576
01:52:06,416 --> 01:52:08,291
who are really smart and people who are

1577
01:52:08,291 --> 01:52:10,125
younger than you. Because you can learn a

1578
01:52:10,125 --> 01:52:12,041
lot from both. Actually, I could probably

1579
01:52:12,041 --> 01:52:13,625
learn a lot from anybody I'll surround

1580
01:52:13,625 --> 01:52:14,958
myself from anybody. But

1581
01:52:14,958 --> 01:52:18,500
for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1582
01:52:18,541 --> 01:52:20,458
That's that. That's that. That's yeah.

1583
01:52:21,375 --> 01:52:23,291
Yeah. I've learned off people get to do

1584
01:52:23,291 --> 01:52:25,375
little bit more of that. And you don't

1585
01:52:25,375 --> 01:52:26,583
want to limit that just people. There's

1586
01:52:26,583 --> 01:52:28,166
other animals. You know,

1587
01:52:28,166 --> 01:52:28,666
honestly, we could keep going.

1588
01:52:28,666 --> 01:52:30,666
You can learn from plants if you really

1589
01:52:30,666 --> 01:52:31,708
learn from anything.

1590
01:52:32,083 --> 01:52:32,791
Learn from the world.

1591
01:52:33,166 --> 01:52:33,833
Oh yeah, absolutely.

1592
01:52:34,166 --> 01:52:36,750
So are there any other final sort of

1593
01:52:36,750 --> 01:52:37,708
shark week highlights you

1594
01:52:37,708 --> 01:52:38,916
might recommend to anybody?

1595
01:52:39,625 --> 01:52:40,916
Obviously, Alien Shark's

1596
01:52:40,916 --> 01:52:42,750
Untamed American with Forest.

1597
01:52:43,333 --> 01:52:44,041
That's the number one.

1598
01:52:44,041 --> 01:52:45,250
I'm doubling down on our show, man.

1599
01:52:46,541 --> 01:52:50,083
I wanted to make sure I'm an outdoorsman

1600
01:52:50,083 --> 01:52:51,750
and I love all of the

1601
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:52,875
kinds of animals and all

1602
01:52:52,875 --> 01:52:53,958
the kinds of things that you can

1603
01:52:53,958 --> 01:52:55,000
encounter out in the wild.

1604
01:52:55,833 --> 01:52:57,875
And when we talk about America in this

1605
01:52:57,875 --> 01:52:59,625
show, I wanted to make

1606
01:52:59,625 --> 01:53:01,750
sure I was packing something

1607
01:53:01,958 --> 01:53:03,958
more than just a shot of the

1608
01:53:03,958 --> 01:53:05,083
Golden Gate Bridge in there.

1609
01:53:05,291 --> 01:53:06,541
No shade of Northern

1610
01:53:06,541 --> 01:53:07,875
Californians, of course.

1611
01:53:08,625 --> 01:53:11,375
But I went for more scenic

1612
01:53:11,375 --> 01:53:13,500
antelopes running instead.

1613
01:53:14,166 --> 01:53:15,208
So I wanted to really

1614
01:53:15,208 --> 01:53:16,833
paint the animal picture.

1615
01:53:17,458 --> 01:53:17,875
We love that.

1616
01:53:18,416 --> 01:53:19,000
We're trying to think

1617
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:20,666
like, what's the angle here?

1618
01:53:21,083 --> 01:53:22,416
And people were thinking, let's go.

1619
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:25,958
We should start founding fathers and it

1620
01:53:25,958 --> 01:53:27,208
kind of went a little cold.

1621
01:53:27,208 --> 01:53:28,000
I was like, you know what?

1622
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:29,916
Let's take the Teddy Roosevelt approach.

1623
01:53:30,291 --> 01:53:31,833
If we want to talk about how great

1624
01:53:31,833 --> 01:53:34,333
America is, let's show a buffalo, you

1625
01:53:34,333 --> 01:53:36,666
know, some American elk,

1626
01:53:36,666 --> 01:53:39,166
you know, the old thing.

1627
01:53:39,166 --> 01:53:40,750
And you get that bleat sound going on

1628
01:53:40,750 --> 01:53:41,791
because those sounds like

1629
01:53:41,791 --> 01:53:42,833
that will trigger your ear.

1630
01:53:43,083 --> 01:53:43,791
You hear that when

1631
01:53:43,791 --> 01:53:44,583
you're sitting on your couch.

1632
01:53:44,583 --> 01:53:46,041
It'll make you look at the TV if you were

1633
01:53:46,041 --> 01:53:47,041
looking away for a minute.

1634
01:53:47,041 --> 01:53:47,416
It's like that.

1635
01:53:47,875 --> 01:53:48,458
That sound that you

1636
01:53:48,458 --> 01:53:49,458
don't know what it is.

1637
01:53:49,458 --> 01:53:50,541
I don't. I'm not going to embarrass

1638
01:53:50,541 --> 01:53:51,541
myself and try to do

1639
01:53:51,541 --> 01:53:52,750
my elk bleat right now.

1640
01:53:52,791 --> 01:53:55,125
But like, you know, those kind of things,

1641
01:53:55,333 --> 01:53:57,708
you know, a bears and

1642
01:53:57,708 --> 01:53:58,708
wolves and all that.

1643
01:53:58,708 --> 01:54:00,541
And we have so many cool animals in this

1644
01:54:00,541 --> 01:54:03,541
country, you know, and that was it.

1645
01:54:03,875 --> 01:54:06,125
I think that's a great way of really

1646
01:54:06,125 --> 01:54:08,833
flipping the narrative of what people

1647
01:54:08,833 --> 01:54:11,416
think the U.S. is or even like for me,

1648
01:54:11,416 --> 01:54:14,000
for Canada is instead of looking at sort

1649
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,458
of the steel monuments

1650
01:54:15,458 --> 01:54:17,500
and like which are iconic.

1651
01:54:17,916 --> 01:54:20,000
There's no doubt. But to think of it from

1652
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:22,250
a nature perspective and like defining

1653
01:54:22,250 --> 01:54:26,458
America as from an animal perspective and

1654
01:54:26,458 --> 01:54:28,500
like the cool animals that we have in the

1655
01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:29,541
U.S. that we have in Canada.

1656
01:54:29,791 --> 01:54:31,791
I think that's a really interesting way

1657
01:54:31,791 --> 01:54:34,125
to flip the narrative and teach people to

1658
01:54:34,125 --> 01:54:37,291
look at the U.S. and their country from a

1659
01:54:37,291 --> 01:54:38,791
different perspective. Right.

1660
01:54:39,166 --> 01:54:41,708
It is. And, you know, there's there's a I

1661
01:54:41,708 --> 01:54:42,666
actually don't want to

1662
01:54:42,666 --> 01:54:44,166
give away the final thoughts.

1663
01:54:44,583 --> 01:54:45,583
I always like to put a little final

1664
01:54:45,583 --> 01:54:47,333
thoughts at the end of the show, you

1665
01:54:47,333 --> 01:54:48,083
know, a little something.

1666
01:54:48,791 --> 01:54:49,875
I mean, I think a TV

1667
01:54:49,875 --> 01:54:50,916
show needs a take home.

1668
01:54:51,458 --> 01:54:54,166
You know, I like to watch something that,

1669
01:54:54,166 --> 01:54:55,625
you know, if I turn it off and I put my

1670
01:54:55,625 --> 01:54:57,041
head down on my pillow, it still gives me

1671
01:54:57,041 --> 01:54:57,541
a little something to

1672
01:54:57,541 --> 01:54:58,541
think about afterwards.

1673
01:54:58,916 --> 01:55:01,916
And with this one, we made sure to put

1674
01:55:01,916 --> 01:55:03,208
something like that in there.

1675
01:55:03,208 --> 01:55:05,000
And it was funny because we were all

1676
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:07,083
independently on the same page

1677
01:55:07,083 --> 01:55:08,541
about how we wanted to do it.

1678
01:55:08,666 --> 01:55:11,000
And even a couple of

1679
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:12,208
the network executives had

1680
01:55:12,250 --> 01:55:16,000
chimed in with a similar comment and we

1681
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,041
were actually waiting for a picture to be

1682
01:55:18,041 --> 01:55:20,208
delivered for us to be placed in there.

1683
01:55:20,458 --> 01:55:21,458
So they were one step

1684
01:55:21,458 --> 01:55:22,666
ahead of us on that one.

1685
01:55:22,666 --> 01:55:26,291
But I feel that this particular episode,

1686
01:55:26,958 --> 01:55:30,916
the only real non-animal American

1687
01:55:30,916 --> 01:55:33,166
iconography that I wanted to bring in was

1688
01:55:33,166 --> 01:55:34,250
the Statue of Liberty.

1689
01:55:35,500 --> 01:55:36,916
You know, it means a lot of

1690
01:55:36,916 --> 01:55:38,208
things to a lot of people.

1691
01:55:38,500 --> 01:55:40,166
I've been there. I've, you know, my

1692
01:55:40,166 --> 01:55:42,791
family members names on the wall. You

1693
01:55:42,791 --> 01:55:44,666
know, they all came in through that way.

1694
01:55:45,708 --> 01:55:47,250
And I felt like that's a

1695
01:55:47,250 --> 01:55:48,583
great way to put you in a place.

1696
01:55:49,291 --> 01:55:51,583
And then where we go from there is all of

1697
01:55:51,583 --> 01:55:52,875
the things there, you know.

1698
01:55:53,291 --> 01:55:55,916
And to me, our show is

1699
01:55:55,916 --> 01:55:57,666
special because I love this country.

1700
01:55:58,333 --> 01:55:59,625
Oh, well, this country, technically now

1701
01:55:59,625 --> 01:56:01,250
this is India right now.

1702
01:56:01,250 --> 01:56:02,000
But it would have home

1703
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:03,291
when you're watching this.

1704
01:56:03,291 --> 01:56:04,208
I'll be home. Yeah.

1705
01:56:05,708 --> 01:56:07,916
But and I love India, too, honestly, like

1706
01:56:07,916 --> 01:56:09,708
it gets in your veins.

1707
01:56:10,041 --> 01:56:10,958
I came here thinking the

1708
01:56:10,958 --> 01:56:12,125
food was my favorite part.

1709
01:56:12,541 --> 01:56:14,500
And after my first trip, it was bumped

1710
01:56:14,500 --> 01:56:15,625
down to second because the

1711
01:56:15,625 --> 01:56:16,791
people are my favorite party.

1712
01:56:17,083 --> 01:56:18,083
Awesome. Yeah. You got a

1713
01:56:18,083 --> 01:56:19,458
whole new enclave of friends.

1714
01:56:19,750 --> 01:56:20,833
You know, you know how it goes when you

1715
01:56:20,833 --> 01:56:22,833
have a regular project somewhere, guys,

1716
01:56:22,833 --> 01:56:25,125
you know, as you get connected.

1717
01:56:25,666 --> 01:56:28,000
And for sure. But this was one where I

1718
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:28,958
really felt like this is

1719
01:56:28,958 --> 01:56:31,083
all of our chance for us.

1720
01:56:31,083 --> 01:56:33,291
You know, was I think he actually first

1721
01:56:33,291 --> 01:56:34,250
came up with this concept.

1722
01:56:34,291 --> 01:56:36,375
He pitched it to Mitch and the consensus

1723
01:56:36,375 --> 01:56:38,083
just started to grow among the crew

1724
01:56:38,083 --> 01:56:39,041
before it was even

1725
01:56:39,041 --> 01:56:40,000
pitched to the network.

1726
01:56:41,333 --> 01:56:43,333
And we all bought in and

1727
01:56:43,333 --> 01:56:44,708
we all bought our own thing.

1728
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,000
You know, everybody on this crew has some

1729
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:47,625
kind of special

1730
01:56:47,625 --> 01:56:49,041
connection with our country.

1731
01:56:49,791 --> 01:56:52,125
And it's our way of expressing that we

1732
01:56:52,125 --> 01:56:53,166
had a chance to do is a

1733
01:56:53,166 --> 01:56:54,791
little platform for that this time.

1734
01:56:55,083 --> 01:56:56,916
Yeah, I love it. I love that aspect.

1735
01:56:56,916 --> 01:56:58,416
That's awesome. That's really cool.

1736
01:56:58,916 --> 01:57:00,000
Yeah, Jesse. Well,

1737
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:02,291
thanks for doing this again.

1738
01:57:02,291 --> 01:57:03,625
It's going to be our annual thing with

1739
01:57:03,625 --> 01:57:05,083
you and shark week and everything.

1740
01:57:05,375 --> 01:57:06,916
And especially because you're in India

1741
01:57:06,916 --> 01:57:09,166
now, it's like whatever 930,

1742
01:57:09,166 --> 01:57:10,416
10 o'clock at night for you.

1743
01:57:10,416 --> 01:57:12,500
And I know you got a big shoot coming up

1744
01:57:12,500 --> 01:57:13,583
tomorrow and everything.

1745
01:57:14,458 --> 01:57:16,083
And just mention everybody.

1746
01:57:16,083 --> 01:57:18,291
Please watch Alien Sharks

1747
01:57:18,291 --> 01:57:20,000
Untamed America with Forest Galani.

1748
01:57:20,208 --> 01:57:22,166
And maybe even they'll give you a cameo

1749
01:57:22,166 --> 01:57:23,541
in the next time you

1750
01:57:23,541 --> 01:57:25,500
guys do it when he's Jesse.

1751
01:57:25,958 --> 01:57:27,750
I cut myself out everywhere. I hate

1752
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:30,250
seeing myself. Sorry, I

1753
01:57:30,250 --> 01:57:31,416
don't like looking at myself.

1754
01:57:31,875 --> 01:57:33,625
Back in the day, I used to do all the

1755
01:57:33,625 --> 01:57:35,750
scratch tracks, the temporary voiceover

1756
01:57:35,750 --> 01:57:37,833
before before we finished writing it all.

1757
01:57:38,166 --> 01:57:41,416
And although I had a really as an editor,

1758
01:57:41,416 --> 01:57:42,000
you know, you know,

1759
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:43,375
pacing more than anything else.

1760
01:57:43,666 --> 01:57:44,541
So like the pacing was

1761
01:57:44,541 --> 01:57:45,375
right and all that stuff.

1762
01:57:45,375 --> 01:57:46,041
But I had to listen to

1763
01:57:46,041 --> 01:57:47,833
myself for two months at a time.

1764
01:57:47,958 --> 01:57:50,000
It was awful. That's tough. That's tough.

1765
01:57:50,333 --> 01:57:52,000
Now, I mean, unfortunately, we're using

1766
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:53,291
like, you know, A.I.

1767
01:57:53,333 --> 01:57:55,041
11 labs to just like, you know, you know,

1768
01:57:55,041 --> 01:57:57,166
put it in and drop it in.

1769
01:57:57,500 --> 01:58:00,166
But it just it doesn't give me the pacing

1770
01:58:00,166 --> 01:58:01,833
feel that we used to.

1771
01:58:02,833 --> 01:58:04,000
But at least I don't have to listen to

1772
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:05,833
myself, you know, but

1773
01:58:05,833 --> 01:58:08,916
the I cut myself out.

1774
01:58:08,916 --> 01:58:11,291
If I see there were a lot of shots shots

1775
01:58:11,291 --> 01:58:12,833
in that Land of the Lost Sharks show that

1776
01:58:12,833 --> 01:58:14,291
Dave and I were working on

1777
01:58:14,291 --> 01:58:15,291
together with all the guys.

1778
01:58:15,500 --> 01:58:17,375
And I don't like that. I don't know.

1779
01:58:17,375 --> 01:58:18,875
So I have a beard of glasses.

1780
01:58:18,875 --> 01:58:20,625
I'm usually wearing a hat and just, you

1781
01:58:20,625 --> 01:58:22,416
know, there's no mirror.

1782
01:58:22,458 --> 01:58:24,166
I barely have any mirrors in our house,

1783
01:58:24,166 --> 01:58:27,041
you know, from from our perspective, it

1784
01:58:27,041 --> 01:58:27,958
doesn't look that bad.

1785
01:58:27,958 --> 01:58:29,083
It looks good, man. You look

1786
01:58:29,083 --> 01:58:30,000
good. You're looking great.

1787
01:58:30,500 --> 01:58:32,625
Even the beard is looking fantastic.

1788
01:58:33,125 --> 01:58:35,791
I like it. Oh, yeah.

1789
01:58:36,333 --> 01:58:38,458
Yeah, I got you know, do I want to tell

1790
01:58:38,458 --> 01:58:40,166
you a behind the scenes story or not

1791
01:58:40,166 --> 01:58:42,583
about gray hairs and beards?

1792
01:58:43,083 --> 01:58:44,958
Yeah, you are still probably kill me.

1793
01:58:45,250 --> 01:58:47,250
But, you know, way back in the year, we

1794
01:58:47,250 --> 01:58:49,333
were all you know, we work in television.

1795
01:58:49,333 --> 01:58:52,000
It's a stressful business, you know, and

1796
01:58:52,291 --> 01:58:53,833
season one, episode

1797
01:58:53,833 --> 01:58:55,375
one of Extincter Alive.

1798
01:58:55,375 --> 01:58:56,916
This was 11 years ago.

1799
01:58:57,708 --> 01:58:59,000
I remembered all of us.

1800
01:58:59,458 --> 01:59:00,750
There's a picture I actually have of

1801
01:59:00,750 --> 01:59:03,833
myself, the showrunner at that time and

1802
01:59:03,833 --> 01:59:05,958
forests sitting together to

1803
01:59:05,958 --> 01:59:07,208
have a group picture together.

1804
01:59:07,208 --> 01:59:07,958
And all of our beards

1805
01:59:07,958 --> 01:59:08,958
were pretty much black.

1806
01:59:10,166 --> 01:59:13,375
And, you know, it was day one, you know,

1807
01:59:13,375 --> 01:59:14,708
first day at kindergarten, essentially.

1808
01:59:15,250 --> 01:59:17,500
And just last year, we had started

1809
01:59:17,500 --> 01:59:19,166
working here in India and Vintara and

1810
01:59:19,166 --> 01:59:20,083
Forrest came over,

1811
01:59:20,083 --> 01:59:21,166
brought his family with him.

1812
01:59:21,166 --> 01:59:22,708
His mother was there and we were sitting

1813
01:59:22,708 --> 01:59:25,583
in the airport and she's like, Jesse, my

1814
01:59:25,583 --> 01:59:26,541
dear, I don't think she said

1815
01:59:26,541 --> 01:59:28,166
my dear, but the vibe was my.

1816
01:59:28,166 --> 01:59:29,750
Yeah, Jesse, my dear.

1817
01:59:30,291 --> 01:59:31,083
How's it been working

1818
01:59:31,083 --> 01:59:32,250
for my son, Forrest?

1819
01:59:32,250 --> 01:59:33,291
And I said, let me show

1820
01:59:33,291 --> 01:59:34,583
you something, Mrs. Galante.

1821
01:59:35,416 --> 01:59:36,791
And I pulled out my phone and I'm going

1822
01:59:36,791 --> 01:59:38,583
back, back, back, back, back, back, back,

1823
01:59:38,583 --> 01:59:39,625
back, back, back, back, back.

1824
01:59:39,958 --> 01:59:41,166
There it was. And I pulled up this

1825
01:59:41,166 --> 01:59:43,125
picture that, you know, our beards were

1826
01:59:43,125 --> 01:59:45,041
his is brown or like a reddish.

1827
01:59:45,541 --> 01:59:46,916
Mine was perfectly black.

1828
01:59:46,916 --> 01:59:47,500
And I was like, this

1829
01:59:47,500 --> 01:59:48,500
is how it's been going.

1830
01:59:48,541 --> 01:59:53,208
Yeah. Yeah.

1831
01:59:53,208 --> 01:59:53,916
I love it. I love it.

1832
01:59:54,416 --> 01:59:57,625
He used to be able to use a brown Sharpie

1833
01:59:57,625 --> 01:59:59,750
just like one, two, three.

1834
01:59:59,750 --> 02:00:01,333
And now he's he's given up.

1835
02:00:01,333 --> 02:00:02,250
We're all getting older.

1836
02:00:02,458 --> 02:00:03,666
You know, we're all getting older.

1837
02:00:03,666 --> 02:00:05,208
My beard, my goatee started

1838
02:00:05,208 --> 02:00:06,666
to turn gray more and more.

1839
02:00:06,916 --> 02:00:08,458
My hair used to be jet black.

1840
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:10,166
Really? Yeah.

1841
02:00:10,208 --> 02:00:11,666
I've never seen the pictures. Yeah. Yeah.

1842
02:00:11,666 --> 02:00:12,791
Yeah. You look at some of the pictures.

1843
02:00:12,791 --> 02:00:14,416
I got a few on my Instagram like, yeah,

1844
02:00:14,416 --> 02:00:15,791
my hair is jet black.

1845
02:00:15,791 --> 02:00:16,833
People you think I was blonde.

1846
02:00:16,875 --> 02:00:19,333
No, I always had jet black paper. Yeah.

1847
02:00:20,083 --> 02:00:21,833
Jet back hair. Jet black.

1848
02:00:22,083 --> 02:00:23,916
Well, I used to have hair. I mean, I at

1849
02:00:23,916 --> 02:00:24,833
least you have hair.

1850
02:00:25,083 --> 02:00:26,250
Well, I have to say, I tell

1851
02:00:26,250 --> 02:00:27,458
people now, like, I don't care.

1852
02:00:27,458 --> 02:00:28,500
I have hair and a lot of

1853
02:00:28,500 --> 02:00:30,166
people my age don't. So yeah.

1854
02:00:31,083 --> 02:00:32,000
I mean, you got to be

1855
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:33,666
happy with what you got.

1856
02:00:33,666 --> 02:00:35,208
You guys all look great. And

1857
02:00:35,208 --> 02:00:37,666
so, yeah, it's a lot of fun.

1858
02:00:37,666 --> 02:00:38,333
But Jesse, this has been

1859
02:00:38,333 --> 02:00:39,791
amazing to have you on again.

1860
02:00:40,250 --> 02:00:41,833
We appreciate you coming back on and

1861
02:00:41,833 --> 02:00:43,333
sharing the new one.

1862
02:00:43,500 --> 02:00:44,583
So we're going to just I'm just going to

1863
02:00:44,583 --> 02:00:45,875
say, because I look at the schedule now,

1864
02:00:45,916 --> 02:00:49,541
it's Wednesday, July 29th at 10 p.m. I'm

1865
02:00:49,541 --> 02:00:51,166
going to assume that's Eastern time.

1866
02:00:52,125 --> 02:00:53,958
So it's, it's, it's called alien sharks,

1867
02:00:54,166 --> 02:00:55,458
untamed America. Check it out.

1868
02:00:55,750 --> 02:00:56,875
We want to thank you, Jesse, for coming

1869
02:00:56,875 --> 02:00:59,000
on the podcast. We love having you on.

1870
02:00:59,208 --> 02:01:02,208
Thank you. And I just want to say on

1871
02:01:02,208 --> 02:01:03,291
behalf of the whole crew

1872
02:01:03,291 --> 02:01:04,625
and everybody involved all the

1873
02:01:04,625 --> 02:01:06,541
way up to the network down to our PAs.

1874
02:01:07,083 --> 02:01:08,458
Thanks for having me on.

1875
02:01:08,458 --> 02:01:11,583
They all love that you guys have me on

1876
02:01:11,583 --> 02:01:13,833
every year and I'll

1877
02:01:13,833 --> 02:01:15,541
gladly talk about television.

1878
02:01:15,583 --> 02:01:17,875
So awesome. We love, we love hearing

1879
02:01:17,875 --> 02:01:19,083
about it. We learned something new every

1880
02:01:19,083 --> 02:01:20,208
single day. So every

1881
02:01:20,208 --> 02:01:22,083
time we have you on. So we appreciate it.

1882
02:01:22,083 --> 02:01:23,416
And I can't wait to, can't

1883
02:01:23,416 --> 02:01:24,250
wait to see the show. We can't

1884
02:01:24,250 --> 02:01:25,958
wait to have you back up. It's great to

1885
02:01:25,958 --> 02:01:26,791
be here, guys. Thank

1886
02:01:26,791 --> 02:01:28,291
you. You bet. Thank you,

1887
02:01:28,291 --> 02:01:29,875
Jesse, for joining us on today's episode

1888
02:01:29,875 --> 02:01:31,083
of the Beyond Jaws

1889
02:01:31,083 --> 02:01:32,375
podcast. It was great to have you

1890
02:01:32,375 --> 02:01:34,833
on be able to talk about alien sharks,

1891
02:01:35,208 --> 02:01:37,583
untamed America. I mean, you

1892
02:01:37,583 --> 02:01:38,500
know, Dave, this is something

1893
02:01:38,500 --> 02:01:41,125
that always gets you with like the alien

1894
02:01:41,125 --> 02:01:42,375
sharks, right? Like you were

1895
02:01:42,375 --> 02:01:43,541
a part of that when it first

1896
02:01:43,583 --> 02:01:47,083
came out, you collaborated with forest on

1897
02:01:47,083 --> 02:01:48,833
on one of them. Like this is an

1898
02:01:48,833 --> 02:01:50,291
interesting topic for

1899
02:01:50,291 --> 02:01:52,125
you, obviously, in your specialization.

1900
02:01:52,625 --> 02:01:53,583
Yeah, we really the first

1901
02:01:53,583 --> 02:01:54,666
we started actually the alien

1902
02:01:54,958 --> 02:01:58,125
shark series started back in 2013, 2014,

1903
02:01:58,125 --> 02:01:59,750
where the first ones on

1904
02:01:59,750 --> 02:02:01,500
that myself and some of my

1905
02:02:01,500 --> 02:02:03,083
graduate students were on there. We did

1906
02:02:03,083 --> 02:02:05,458
we did three or four alien

1907
02:02:05,458 --> 02:02:07,500
sharks were involved in alien

1908
02:02:07,500 --> 02:02:09,875
shark series and then force picked then

1909
02:02:09,875 --> 02:02:10,833
it then it went over to

1910
02:02:10,833 --> 02:02:12,041
force picked it up and I did the

1911
02:02:12,083 --> 02:02:14,708
first one they did in 20. I think it was

1912
02:02:14,708 --> 02:02:15,541
I think it was the first one

1913
02:02:15,541 --> 02:02:18,416
in 2020 in South Africa, which

1914
02:02:18,416 --> 02:02:20,208
was kind of like my backyard down there.

1915
02:02:20,750 --> 02:02:22,125
Yeah. And of all the of

1916
02:02:22,125 --> 02:02:23,500
all the shark weeks and

1917
02:02:23,833 --> 02:02:25,916
Nat Geo shark fest episodes I've done

1918
02:02:25,916 --> 02:02:27,791
that was probably one of the

1919
02:02:27,791 --> 02:02:28,916
funnest ones I ever did with

1920
02:02:28,916 --> 02:02:31,666
those guys. Right. Especially for me

1921
02:02:31,666 --> 02:02:32,500
keeping up with a bunch of

1922
02:02:32,500 --> 02:02:33,708
like 30 year old testosterone

1923
02:02:34,041 --> 02:02:36,916
charge guys. I'm a little over 30 myself,

1924
02:02:37,333 --> 02:02:40,416
but I survived. Thanks

1925
02:02:40,416 --> 02:02:42,125
guys. Yeah, absolutely.

1926
02:02:42,500 --> 02:02:44,125
Absolutely. They're a fun group. You

1927
02:02:44,125 --> 02:02:45,583
know, as you said, oh yeah, such a good

1928
02:02:45,583 --> 02:02:46,333
time with them there.

1929
02:02:46,541 --> 02:02:48,708
You can just see it like in all the

1930
02:02:48,708 --> 02:02:49,500
different things that

1931
02:02:49,500 --> 02:02:51,458
they've done, you know, even in the

1932
02:02:51,458 --> 02:02:53,458
interview with Jesse, like he is he is

1933
02:02:53,458 --> 02:02:54,958
energized. He's excited. He's

1934
02:02:54,958 --> 02:02:56,125
passionate about sharks. He's

1935
02:02:56,125 --> 02:02:58,166
passionate about, you know, getting the

1936
02:02:58,166 --> 02:02:59,875
shots that are the right shots for the

1937
02:02:59,875 --> 02:03:00,500
show. And I think

1938
02:03:00,500 --> 02:03:01,083
that's really important.

1939
02:03:01,500 --> 02:03:03,000
And I think it's to us like with people

1940
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:04,458
like we've had Jesse and we've had a

1941
02:03:04,458 --> 02:03:05,916
number of camera people on. We had

1942
02:03:06,041 --> 02:03:08,416
Johnny Harrington who works with Forest

1943
02:03:08,416 --> 02:03:10,041
at times. We've had Jeff

1944
02:03:10,041 --> 02:03:11,875
Curran, Chris Fallows and other

1945
02:03:11,875 --> 02:03:13,500
people that are behind on the other side

1946
02:03:13,500 --> 02:03:14,125
of the camera that you

1947
02:03:14,125 --> 02:03:15,875
don't often see. Yeah. And so I

1948
02:03:15,875 --> 02:03:17,250
think it's kind of interesting for people

1949
02:03:17,250 --> 02:03:18,291
to get a sense of what goes

1950
02:03:18,291 --> 02:03:19,500
on behind the scenes because

1951
02:03:19,500 --> 02:03:21,958
there's a lot there's a lot going on. Oh,

1952
02:03:21,958 --> 02:03:24,250
yeah. And Jesse, I think,

1953
02:03:24,250 --> 02:03:25,916
you know, he has a he hasn't

1954
02:03:25,916 --> 02:03:27,416
a good humorous way in the way he tells

1955
02:03:27,416 --> 02:03:28,583
the stories kind of from

1956
02:03:28,583 --> 02:03:29,708
the behind the scenes. And

1957
02:03:29,750 --> 02:03:32,000
I think that's what people kind of really

1958
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:33,375
find. I find that's at least

1959
02:03:33,375 --> 02:03:34,458
a feedback we see that's the

1960
02:03:34,500 --> 02:03:36,833
findings of the findings people hear of

1961
02:03:36,833 --> 02:03:38,500
what goes on to put one of these shows

1962
02:03:38,500 --> 02:03:39,791
together. Absolutely.

1963
02:03:40,083 --> 02:03:41,666
And it's a lot of work. And I think if

1964
02:03:41,666 --> 02:03:42,333
you talk to anybody

1965
02:03:42,333 --> 02:03:43,500
that's been involved with them,

1966
02:03:43,500 --> 02:03:46,125
and I can share that it's it's a lot of

1967
02:03:46,125 --> 02:03:48,083
work goes in for 45

1968
02:03:48,083 --> 02:03:49,916
minutes. It's an hour episode,

1969
02:03:49,916 --> 02:03:52,291
but it's only about 42 to 45 weeks and

1970
02:03:52,291 --> 02:03:53,916
weeks of maybe even months

1971
02:03:53,916 --> 02:03:54,958
of putting the show together.

1972
02:03:55,416 --> 02:03:56,583
Because it's not just putting it together

1973
02:03:56,583 --> 02:03:57,708
and just letting go. It's

1974
02:03:57,708 --> 02:03:59,041
making sure the story makes sense.

1975
02:03:59,375 --> 02:04:01,083
And entertaining to people. And I think

1976
02:04:01,083 --> 02:04:02,083
having those quality

1977
02:04:02,083 --> 02:04:03,333
shows, that's a really difficult

1978
02:04:03,333 --> 02:04:05,000
thing to do. Yeah. And just, you know,

1979
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:06,041
people don't realize,

1980
02:04:06,041 --> 02:04:07,125
like, when you're out on the

1981
02:04:07,125 --> 02:04:09,333
shoot like that, you I mean, 20 hour days

1982
02:04:09,333 --> 02:04:11,166
are not like unheard of. I

1983
02:04:11,166 --> 02:04:13,291
mean, I like, I get every

1984
02:04:13,291 --> 02:04:15,125
almost everyone I've done sometimes those

1985
02:04:15,125 --> 02:04:16,041
they're there, you're

1986
02:04:16,041 --> 02:04:17,041
doing it for two, three weeks

1987
02:04:17,041 --> 02:04:19,333
sometimes. And yeah, the trip, man, you

1988
02:04:19,333 --> 02:04:19,958
just want to get in the

1989
02:04:19,958 --> 02:04:21,333
plane and go home. And then

1990
02:04:21,708 --> 02:04:23,083
it's funny, people ask you like, you

1991
02:04:23,083 --> 02:04:23,750
know, hey, how'd you enjoy

1992
02:04:23,750 --> 02:04:24,708
the show? I don't know. I don't

1993
02:04:24,875 --> 02:04:26,375
really watch it because it's I just I

1994
02:04:26,375 --> 02:04:29,375
lived it. So it's like so true. So true.

1995
02:04:29,375 --> 02:04:30,416
Yeah. And I literally

1996
02:04:30,458 --> 02:04:32,625
have the bruises the show for it. Yeah.

1997
02:04:32,625 --> 02:04:34,583
So 100%. I can just imagine

1998
02:04:34,583 --> 02:04:35,875
him seeing the episode so many

1999
02:04:35,875 --> 02:04:37,500
times and finally seeing the final cut.

2000
02:04:37,500 --> 02:04:38,541
He's probably like, I

2001
02:04:38,541 --> 02:04:39,833
can't watch the show. I'm like,

2002
02:04:39,833 --> 02:04:41,750
he's in India right now, I think, or

2003
02:04:41,750 --> 02:04:42,583
maybe even just returning

2004
02:04:42,583 --> 02:04:44,500
depending on how long he was out

2005
02:04:44,500 --> 02:04:46,375
there. But yeah, he, yes, I've emphasized

2006
02:04:46,375 --> 02:04:47,666
Jesse was in it. He just

2007
02:04:47,666 --> 02:04:48,958
flew into India with the team

2008
02:04:48,958 --> 02:04:50,791
there and force there on the project

2009
02:04:50,791 --> 02:04:52,666
they're doing. And so it was great of him

2010
02:04:52,666 --> 02:04:53,916
to have enough time to

2011
02:04:54,083 --> 02:04:55,875
it's late for him back there to get up

2012
02:04:55,875 --> 02:04:58,125
and build this interlag and everything.

2013
02:04:58,375 --> 02:04:59,166
Yeah, no, it was. Yeah,

2014
02:04:59,166 --> 02:05:00,916
it was wonderful. Yeah, he's always one

2015
02:05:00,916 --> 02:05:02,083
of our one of our favorite

2016
02:05:02,083 --> 02:05:03,458
guests just because he loves

2017
02:05:03,500 --> 02:05:05,125
the show, which was, which is always

2018
02:05:05,125 --> 02:05:07,000
great. Yeah, we also like we love his

2019
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:08,166
work too. And you're

2020
02:05:08,166 --> 02:05:09,958
always just picking his brain. And he's

2021
02:05:09,958 --> 02:05:11,208
so much. He's so great to

2022
02:05:11,208 --> 02:05:12,500
share, you know, what he's

2023
02:05:12,500 --> 02:05:14,333
learned over the years and what he's able

2024
02:05:14,333 --> 02:05:15,708
to do for these shows with

2025
02:05:15,708 --> 02:05:17,458
us too. So that's always nice.

2026
02:05:17,458 --> 02:05:19,291
So we love, we love him having him on the

2027
02:05:19,291 --> 02:05:21,666
show. And so go check out on the

2028
02:05:21,666 --> 02:05:23,333
Wednesday, July 29th,

2029
02:05:23,541 --> 02:05:26,708
Alien Sharks Untamed America and enjoy.

2030
02:05:26,958 --> 02:05:27,583
Let us know what you think

2031
02:05:27,583 --> 02:05:28,708
of the show. We'd love to hear

2032
02:05:28,708 --> 02:05:30,083
from you. And of course, Jesse, we'd love

2033
02:05:30,083 --> 02:05:31,541
to hear from you as well.

2034
02:05:32,041 --> 02:05:32,958
And Dave, if people want to get

2035
02:05:32,958 --> 02:05:34,666
ahold of you, how would they do so? The

2036
02:05:34,666 --> 02:05:36,375
best way is go to Instagram

2037
02:05:36,375 --> 02:05:38,791
account, lost shark guy. Also

2038
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:40,875
check out our YouTube series, searching

2039
02:05:40,875 --> 02:05:42,375
for lost sharks, which is kind of the

2040
02:05:42,375 --> 02:05:43,458
original alien sharks.

2041
02:05:44,125 --> 02:05:46,041
Andrew and I and Denise Sotomayor are

2042
02:05:46,041 --> 02:05:48,166
doing it's also on YouTube

2043
02:05:48,166 --> 02:05:49,500
at lost shark guy, the series

2044
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:51,375
searching for lost sharks extinct or

2045
02:05:51,375 --> 02:05:53,125
alive. Okay. Wonderful.

2046
02:05:53,291 --> 02:05:54,041
And if people want to get a

2047
02:05:54,041 --> 02:05:55,833
hold of us beyond Jaws pod on Instagram,

2048
02:05:56,250 --> 02:05:57,500
and we would love to hear

2049
02:05:57,500 --> 02:05:59,625
from you. So don't be shy and

2050
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:02,833
enjoy the episode. Enjoy this episode.

2051
02:06:03,041 --> 02:06:03,708
And of course, don't forget

2052
02:06:03,708 --> 02:06:05,333
to follow, like they said,

2053
02:06:05,333 --> 02:06:08,833
on YouTube here on beyond Jaws pod. If

2054
02:06:08,833 --> 02:06:09,458
you're listening to this,

2055
02:06:09,750 --> 02:06:10,750
whether you're watching us or

2056
02:06:10,750 --> 02:06:12,250
whether you're listening to this on the

2057
02:06:12,250 --> 02:06:14,041
podcast, lots of stuff to do. All the

2058
02:06:14,041 --> 02:06:14,875
links are in our show

2059
02:06:15,500 --> 02:06:17,541
notes. And so we thank you so much for

2060
02:06:17,541 --> 02:06:18,666
joining us from Dave and I

2061
02:06:18,666 --> 02:06:20,166
on the beyond Jaws podcast.

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02:06:20,458 --> 02:06:21,625
Have a great day. We'll talk to you next

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time and happy conservation.