The Ocean Agency You’ve Never Heard Of, But Depend On Every Day

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What if the most important agencies

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protecting your food, your weather

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forecasts, your safety,

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and the ocean was being cut apart and

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most people still do not

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know what it does? Today,

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we are talking about NOAA, the National

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Oceanographic and

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Atmospheric Administration,

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and why it matters, what is at risk, and

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why people everywhere should care.

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right now so you don't miss tomorrow's

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story. Today's episode is a

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special interview with Jeff

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Waters from the Ocean Conservancy. Now

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Jeff works at the

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intersection of ocean policy,

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government funding, and public advocacy.

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He helps translate

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what happens in Washington

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into what it actually means for the

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ocean, coastal communities,

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wildlife, and to be honest,

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everyday people. In my interview with

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Jeff, we break down

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what NOAA really does,

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why so many people depend on it without

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even realizing it and

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what recent cuts could mean

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to the administration and why protecting

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public science

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infrastructure matters far beyond the

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coastline. If you have ever checked out

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the weather, eaten

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seafood, cared about marine life,

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or wondered who was watching over the

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oceans, this conversation is

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for you. So let's get into it.

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Here's the interview with Jeff Waters

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from the Ocean Conservancy. Enjoy, and I

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will talk to you after.

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Hey Jeff, welcome to the How to Protect

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the Ocean podcast. Are you

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ready to talk about NOAA?

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Of course, thanks for having me.

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You bet, I'm excited. This is a very

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important interview because I've talked

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about all the cuts that

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have happened to NOAA,

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but I've also talked over the 11 years

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that I've been doing this podcast about

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the benefits that NOAA brings

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to not only the US, but to the world

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really in terms of the research that it

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does, the work that it does,

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the services that it provides for safety

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and so forth. So we're

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going to get into all of that,

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but we're also going to talk about what's

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happening with NOAA since this latest

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presidential administration has gone in

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and made severe cuts to

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many of the programs. I've had,

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you know, full disclosure. I've had some,

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a lot of friends who are

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out of work because of it

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that were doing amazing work. And I feel

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like online and just

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people in general really don't

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have a good grasp of what NOAA does. And

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so what I want this interview to be where

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you and I, we're going to

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talk about the benefits of NOAA.

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NOAA in these episodes leading into this,

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but also just what it brings, what it is,

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and what people need to understand about

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NOAA that's so important for us, not only

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as like for people of American

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citizens, but for the world and that we

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need to support them more and the

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government needs to support them.

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So we're going to get into all of that,

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but Jeff, before we do, why don't you

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just let us know who

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you are and what you do.

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Well, thanks. So I, in my work life, I'm

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the guy who goes into the depths of the

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government to figure out what the heck is

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actually happening, right?

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So I'm the guy who goes along with my

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team and my colleagues who are fantastic

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here at Ocean Conservancy.

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You know, we go into the budget

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spreadsheets, we go into the

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appropriations bills, the legislation,

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the OMB spending spreadsheets, and we try

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to translate that into what it actually

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means for the ocean,

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what it means for people, what it means

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for communities, what it means for ocean

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wildlife, because at the end of the day,

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what happens in Washington, D.C. matters

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for everyone, including the coast and

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including the oceans.

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terms of my role, I'm the vice president

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of external affairs

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here at Ocean Conservancy.

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So I oversee our government relations

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team, our international government

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relations team, and our Florida program.

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international level, you know, really

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helping our teams to do the advocacy that

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we need to do on behalf of the ocean.

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I can imagine you and your team must be

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so detail oriented to sift through all

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those line items in the budget and all

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the policies that are going through.

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amendments and regulations. And it's not

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exciting reading, let's be

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honest, to many of us, right?

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You're not reading a novel or nonfiction

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novel or whatnot. You're reading like

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some pretty dry stuff, but to get through

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it all and to put it into a kind of like

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a product, I guess, or something that we

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could all understand of what's happening

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and bring it down to try and simplify it

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as much as possible, as complex as a lot

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of these things are.

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I think that's really important. Now,

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you've spent your career at the

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intersection of science and policy.

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But what like what first pulled you into

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ocean policy, especially growing up in

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the Midwest, you grew up in, I believe it

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was Illinois you

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mentioned before we press record.

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What called you to get that coastal envy?

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Because I've had it too. I grew up in

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Ontario. I have the Great Lakes and you

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might have a piece of the Great Lakes.

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Great Lakes. But the ocean call is a

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different call. So what

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brought you that that call?

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I mean, it's funny you say coastal envy

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I use when I explain things to people.

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up with coast envy. I wish I lived by the

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beach and never had the chance to. We

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would go down to Florida every year as a

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family and do our family vacation. And so

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that was the sliver of the ocean that I

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got to experience every year.

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Wisconsin, Madison, I went there for

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undergrad and for graduate school. And

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for grad school, I went there for

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limnology and marine science. That

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limnology is like basically lakes and

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streams and rivers and wetlands. So I got

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to play around in all these great

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freshwater environments

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in northern Wisconsin.

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is where I did all of my research for my

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master's degree. My research focused on

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sea turtle bycatch in the Hawaii long

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line fisheries. So they'll swordfish and

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tuna fisheries. So every winter during

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grad school, I got to go to Hawaii and

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dig into the details of sea turtle

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bycatch issues. But I was hooked once I

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went into grad school. I was hooked on

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ocean issues and knew that that's what I wanted to spend my time.

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I wanted to spend my career doing. So you

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always grew up having that that that

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coastal envy going to Florida. Where did

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you go in Florida? Was it always the same

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place? Yeah, Madira Beach. So come here,

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St Pete. So yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like

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growing up in Toronto. You know, we go

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down there. Of course, he hit the Orlando

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for Disney World. And so for the one

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thing that I worked out of Louisiana and

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one thing I learned is Destin, Florida

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probably has the best beaches. But we

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don't not a lot of people from Canada. I

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hear go there. Oh, that's right.

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I feel like that's more of a southern

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sort of destination. They kind of keep it

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quiet, but it's so beautiful. Probably

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some of the best beaches I've ever seen

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in the US. So so yeah, I just think it's

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hilarious how we always go to the same.

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down there in some of the state parks,

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but some of the coastal state parks where

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there's, you know, these barrier islands,

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Sandy, your islands that are completely

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undeveloped. You know, you're used to

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just seeing condos in these places.

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its natural state is really eye opening

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in terms of the beauty of that part of

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Florida. I'm going to tell you as a as a

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Canadian, the National Park System in the

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US is one I envy. I got we have a great

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National Park System here too. But I just

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love it. I think it's a great, great

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program, which obviously is also under

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fire at times. But it seems like a lot of

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a lot of Americans love their their national parks.

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So hopefully that will will will stay

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intact. But you know, it's interesting

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because you you've you know, you

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mentioned that like I think it's funny

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how you chose like Hawaii to go. I don't

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obviously bycatch is important Hawaii as

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well. But I love how you chose Hawaii. I

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think that's a good good for you to do

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that. That that kind of fall in your lap

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with the master supervisor or do you

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actually seek it out being like, no, no,

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I want Hawaii. No, it totally fell. It

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fell on my lap. I wish I could say I was actually smart on my own.

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But no, it was an opportunity that that I

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just couldn't pass up.

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Gotcha. Yeah, it's twist your rubber arm.

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And they say, yeah, you're going to get

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in the winters. You're going to go to

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Hawaii, especially in being in Wisconsin.

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Like it's pretty cold there.

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No, like for people who are hearing your

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name for the first time, because this is

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the first time. Hopefully we'll get we'll

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get you back on down the road to get more

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information on updates and stuff.

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What's happening with Ocean Conservancy?

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But what do they know about your experience that helps you understand sort of how Washington.

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Decisions affect the ocean.

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Yeah, it's a great question. So I, you

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know, after grad school, I had a

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fellowship actually through the Canals

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Sea Grant Fellowship

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program, which is a NOAA program.

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I was basically a fellow and on Capitol

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Hill for a year and then stayed on as a

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full time staffer for several years. And

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it was, you know, it was an eye opening experience in terms of the way government really works.

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How it can feel so inaccessible for

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people, but how it really is more and

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more accessible than you think. And that,

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you know, governance and politics. It is

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not a spectator sport. It feels really

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distant. It feels like it's hard to to

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impact. But at the end of the day, it's the people who show up and the people who make their case.

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Person to person, human to human. It

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really is thousands and thousands of

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small conversations. And, you know, I

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think that's a it's a wonderful thing. It

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can be immensely frustrating because we

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live in a big country with a lot of

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people who have a lot of different

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beliefs that often, you know, can conflict with one another.

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But that human to human process is is

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just fascinating to me. And so to be able

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to do that on behalf of the ocean and on

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behalf of the environment, which I am

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deeply passionate about, it's just an

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honor to be able to do that every day.

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Well, and we appreciate the work you and

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your colleagues do because like you said,

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it's not always easy and you have to get

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to know a lot of people. You have to

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definitely smooth your way around Capitol

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Hill and understand what you're doing.

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It can be a lot of fun.
But you have to

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understand how it works and who to speak

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to. And so one of the things that the

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stories that I really like, I did an

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interview in a number of years ago and a

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gentleman that was on would say that he

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brings like a book of stories that he

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gets that he collects from people and he

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brings him and he goes to

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Democrats and Republicans alike.

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conversations with him over the

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relationships that he's built over the

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years with these politicians to have

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conversations be like hey

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Here's what I'm looking to do

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And these are all the people who are

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supporting what we're trying to do and

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they take it and they

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go back and they try

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And do their best but a lot of these

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these politicians are very environmental

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focused whether they're

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Republican or Democrats

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It's just a matter of what's what's being

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what line is being towed at that time and

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hopefully you get people on the right day

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So those relate that relationship

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building must be a big part of of your

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job and of you and

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your team's job, correct?

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Yeah, I mean relationship building and to

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what you just said storytelling, right?

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Yeah, the story is how you open someone's

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mind and help them visualize and

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understand what it is that you're saying

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It's not about putting up charts that

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tell the facts of the world

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It's about telling a story that someone

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can relate to and wrap their heads around

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You know, sometimes people say that, you

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know Capitol Hill runs on

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anecdotes and it's really true

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But I think again, that's a that's a

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reflection of the very human nature of

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the process where you know

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The story is how you reach someone and

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are able to convince them

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It's not always about just you know,

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reciting talking points and

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facts and figures and data

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It's about telling a story

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that someone can understand

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Absolutely. It's going back to I'm not

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sure if you know Randy Olson his don't be

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such a scientist book

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where he talks about

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getting it to the gut of people getting

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to their emotions and

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Working on that instead of just the logic

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of sharing data like we do as scientists.

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I think it's it's really important

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Yeah, now going back to your your

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master's degree with

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the sea turtle and bycatch

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project or thesis

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Did working with these

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types of marine animals?

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Did that like that change how you thought

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about like policy and conservation how

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important it could be?

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When when we're looking at you know

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bycatch and the regulations that go

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around bycatch

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especially around sea turtles

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I mean it was actually the working with

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the people part that change

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Oh interesting and really shaped the way

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I kind of view the world because you know

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The the sea turtle

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bycatch issue down there

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It was something that was you know, kind

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of popping in the

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late 90s and early 2000s

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Yeah, it's a big problem for the fleet.

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There were a bunch of lawsuits. There

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were all sorts of administrative actions

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You know trying to find a

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solution to the bycatch issue

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You know so that the fleets could

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continue to fish and the turtles can

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continue to survive and

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it was a it was a real

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lesson in the importance of conflict

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In that, you know conflict drives

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creativity and solutions

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as painful as it can be

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But also the the potential for conflict

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to get out of hand and sometimes if you

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get mired in a fight

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Where it's not just

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about winning on your side

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It's about making

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sure the other side loses

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That can be a dangerous place and you can

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really lose sight of your your original

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goals and intent and

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what you're trying to do

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on behalf of the environment and on

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behalf of the world and so it taught me a

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lot about how conflicts can be a very

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constructive and

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innovative driven kind of force in our

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world but can also kind of get out of

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hand and can become very

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You know destructive if you don't kind of

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Go into it with a lot

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of thoughtful awareness

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Yeah, absolutely

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Absolutely

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and you know

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there's a lot of stuff that goes on like

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with these regulations that we look at

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these policies that we try and and

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Implement and and some have like we just

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in the US just celebrated

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I believe it's 50 years of the

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Magnuson-Stevenson's Act

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Which is probably one of the most

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successful fisheries acts

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in in the world at this point

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Bringing back a lot of fisheries that

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were in trouble in the 1970s, which was

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brought in by Republicans

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I like to remind people in the 70s with a

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lot of those regulations the Marine Mail

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Protection Act and so forth

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And so we saw like the people were very

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Worried about the

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environment at that point

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Especially around fisheries that were

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declining and you know using those

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policies to bring them back

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But not only just putting the

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implementation and having you know

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advocates like yourself and the ocean

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Conservancy and and other

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you know ocean ocean focused and or or

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Big NGOs that look at these types of work

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and even small NGOs that make sure that

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the government is looking after this

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But the government itself, you know

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Evaluates how these regulations are doing

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and you know stays up to date on on

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fisheries and stock assessments and and

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so looking at marine

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Mammals are they being harassed? Are they

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not making sure those

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regulations are put in place?

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It's a very important aspect and one of

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those bodies that does

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that within within the

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Within the US government is Noah the

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National Oceanographic and

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Atmospheric Administration

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Now it's a mouthful to say and a lot of

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times I mess it up and probably I'm happy

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to say that I didn't mess

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That one up. We'll call it Noah from now

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on but Noah is a huge organization

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It's a huge department that sits within

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the US government and being Canadian

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I don't know exactly how it sits. I know

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it's part of the

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Department of Interior, but

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Actually the Department of Commerce

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commerce. That's right.

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There you go. Yeah, sorry

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So it's a very good example

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Exactly. So can you Jeff?

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Can you just talk about you know, what

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Noah is where it sits

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within that hierarchy?

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And and how important it is for like for

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what Noah does and we'll get into

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obviously what it does

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But just how important it is. Yeah, I

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mean at the highest level

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I think of Noah as the eyes and ears of

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our ocean and our atmosphere

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It all boils down to that whether it's

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weather forecasts whether it's you know

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Trying to manage our fisheries

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sustainably so that the

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seafood that lands on your plate

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When it's wild caught in

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the US is is sustainable

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Whether it is ocean monitoring marine

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sanctuaries like the eyes and the ears of

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the ocean and the atmosphere

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And and the planet as a whole and so, you

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know, it does a lot and it's hard to

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Articulate all of the specific details of

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what you're done. So much. Yeah, but at

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the highest level it's our

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eyes and ears in the world

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And so you said it sits within

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Department of Commerce how and and why is

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it in the Department of Commerce? That's

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what I would love to know

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Yeah, so it was originally created as

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part of an executive order by President

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Nixon under the Nixon administration

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There's a long winding history about you

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know, where the fisheries

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service was and you know

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And is that part of commerce versus an

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interior there? You've also got you know,

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the various histories of

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you know, the the

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predecessors of Noah in terms of you know

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Surveys and ocean

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surveys and that sort of stuff

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And so, you know

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I can't speak to exactly why Nixon chose

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to put it in commerce the

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way he did other than that

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There's a long and winding history behind

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that it has a lot to do with bureaucracy

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and the way bureaucracy evolves

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And it's constantly something that people

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are questioning, you know

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Does it belong in commerce? Should it is

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it a better fit if it was in interiors?

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Should some of the functions move over to

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over to interiors? So that's a that's a

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live discussion under both

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Democratic and Republican

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Administration, so it's a it's a good

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question and one that

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people keep asking for sure

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Well, yeah, cuz it's such a you know

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people when I think it's it's interesting

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because there's definitely

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a commerce side to the ocean

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The ocean has a lot of ecosystem services

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including fisheries and so forth that

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brings in a lot of money

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Especially in in the past when you had

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whaling and everything like that

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Obviously that's that's done now

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But it I think for now a lot of people

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when they think of ocean and atmosphere

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they think of protection

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and conservation less about

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money bring being brought in and commerce

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and revenue and so forth so I can

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understand where that where

545
00:18:05,666 --> 00:18:06,916
that comes from and where that

546
00:18:06,916 --> 00:18:08,375
That is and of course, you

547
00:18:08,375 --> 00:18:09,375
know with with executive orders

548
00:18:09,375 --> 00:18:10,750
You just never know what's gonna happen

549
00:18:10,750 --> 00:18:11,541
and what the thought

550
00:18:11,541 --> 00:18:14,625
process was back in the 1970s

551
00:18:14,625 --> 00:18:15,583
especially with the Nixon

552
00:18:15,583 --> 00:18:17,000
era and and and so forth and

553
00:18:17,666 --> 00:18:19,583
But I think it's I think it's really I

554
00:18:19,583 --> 00:18:20,875
think it's really interesting

555
00:18:22,458 --> 00:18:24,666
But you know, it's it's it's also

556
00:18:24,666 --> 00:18:27,750
interesting to look at just Noah in

557
00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:31,333
general, you know, cuz like a

558
00:18:31,333 --> 00:18:33,416
lot of people that they they they haven't

559
00:18:33,416 --> 00:18:35,000
really heard of Noah

560
00:18:35,458 --> 00:18:37,583
Yeah, I'm sure even in the US like

561
00:18:37,583 --> 00:18:38,458
there's like, you know,

562
00:18:38,458 --> 00:18:39,291
all is as big as they are

563
00:18:39,291 --> 00:18:40,750
They probably haven't heard of it and

564
00:18:40,750 --> 00:18:42,250
maybe really don't know what it does

565
00:18:42,250 --> 00:18:44,458
You kind of talked about some of them in

566
00:18:44,458 --> 00:18:45,208
this and like and you

567
00:18:45,208 --> 00:18:46,208
talked about in the simple form

568
00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:49,791
But why should people care about having

569
00:18:49,791 --> 00:18:51,416
Noah around because I

570
00:18:51,416 --> 00:18:52,625
mean it's it right now

571
00:18:53,125 --> 00:18:54,125
You can talk a little

572
00:18:54,125 --> 00:18:55,333
bit about this, you know

573
00:18:55,333 --> 00:18:57,500
Noah a lot of the programs with a Noah

574
00:18:57,500 --> 00:18:59,916
are in question a lot of the budgets have

575
00:18:59,916 --> 00:19:00,958
been slashed some of the Noah

576
00:19:01,666 --> 00:19:02,416
Departments within

577
00:19:02,416 --> 00:19:03,958
Noah have been taken out

578
00:19:04,458 --> 00:19:06,875
So like why should people everyday

579
00:19:06,875 --> 00:19:09,416
Americans even know or just people around

580
00:19:09,416 --> 00:19:11,708
the world care that Noah exists today

581
00:19:11,791 --> 00:19:12,333
Yeah

582
00:19:12,833 --> 00:19:15,000
I mean Noah is like the silent force in

583
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,500
your life that you don't even know is

584
00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:17,708
there until it's gone

585
00:19:17,708 --> 00:19:18,791
or until it's in trouble

586
00:19:19,333 --> 00:19:22,083
Like literally every single American uses

587
00:19:22,083 --> 00:19:24,166
and depends on Noah services

588
00:19:24,333 --> 00:19:26,708
Every single day without even knowing it

589
00:19:26,708 --> 00:19:27,625
because a lot of the

590
00:19:27,625 --> 00:19:29,208
times when you interact with

591
00:19:29,541 --> 00:19:32,000
You know Noah's dad our Noah services.

592
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,416
You don't see a Noah logo

593
00:19:34,416 --> 00:19:36,208
So you don't know that there's this

594
00:19:36,208 --> 00:19:37,958
agency behind it whether

595
00:19:37,958 --> 00:19:39,333
it's the seafood on your plate

596
00:19:39,791 --> 00:19:42,000
Whether it's your you know, your weather

597
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,166
forecast on the local news. It's your

598
00:19:44,166 --> 00:19:45,416
local news station's logo

599
00:19:45,416 --> 00:19:47,291
That's on that not necessarily Noah and

600
00:19:47,291 --> 00:19:49,125
that national weather service

601
00:19:49,166 --> 00:19:51,666
But I'll give you like one great little

602
00:19:51,666 --> 00:19:53,583
example of like a way that

603
00:19:53,583 --> 00:19:55,458
an example of when Noah is

604
00:19:55,458 --> 00:19:56,833
Important in a way that you probably

605
00:19:56,833 --> 00:19:58,916
haven't even thought of so a

606
00:19:58,916 --> 00:20:00,833
number of years ago, you know

607
00:20:01,041 --> 00:20:04,375
Our house where we lived was on this the

608
00:20:04,375 --> 00:20:06,041
short little street the street

609
00:20:06,166 --> 00:20:09,125
You know, it was a hilly street and there

610
00:20:09,125 --> 00:20:10,750
were all sorts of flooding issues with

611
00:20:10,750 --> 00:20:12,708
our neighbors at the bottom of the street

612
00:20:13,208 --> 00:20:15,458
The street, you know didn't have

613
00:20:15,833 --> 00:20:16,916
Kind of any sewer

614
00:20:16,916 --> 00:20:18,333
stormwater drainage system

615
00:20:18,333 --> 00:20:20,083
So it just kind of flowed down the street

616
00:20:20,083 --> 00:20:21,750
the county for years as

617
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:22,791
this was a county road

618
00:20:23,208 --> 00:20:25,000
The county for years knew that this was a

619
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,375
problem and they you know over many years

620
00:20:27,375 --> 00:20:29,083
decided that they needed to put in

621
00:20:29,083 --> 00:20:31,583
a stormwater drainage system and so they

622
00:20:31,583 --> 00:20:33,833
dug up our street and I I don't know if

623
00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:35,750
you've ever lived on a street when it's

624
00:20:35,791 --> 00:20:38,083
Being completely dug up. Oh, man. It is

625
00:20:38,083 --> 00:20:40,208
such a mess. It's such a pain

626
00:20:40,208 --> 00:20:42,541
well, and my heart broke the

627
00:20:42,541 --> 00:20:44,000
day they had to come in and like

628
00:20:44,291 --> 00:20:46,833
Tear down like half the trees on the

629
00:20:46,833 --> 00:20:47,791
street because they were

630
00:20:47,791 --> 00:20:49,958
like too close to the street

631
00:20:49,958 --> 00:20:51,625
Is this street that's been around for you

632
00:20:51,625 --> 00:20:53,875
know years and years? Yeah, so they you

633
00:20:53,875 --> 00:20:55,000
know, they tore down the trees

634
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,750
They dug up the street. They dug up the

635
00:20:57,750 --> 00:21:00,250
sidewalks and everything and they you

636
00:21:00,250 --> 00:21:01,541
know put in this brand new

637
00:21:01,583 --> 00:21:04,166
You know stormwater drainage system,

638
00:21:04,166 --> 00:21:05,666
which is wonderful fix the flooding

639
00:21:05,666 --> 00:21:06,791
problems and everything

640
00:21:06,791 --> 00:21:08,333
brand new street. It's beautiful

641
00:21:09,416 --> 00:21:11,041
the thing that most people don't know is

642
00:21:11,041 --> 00:21:12,875
that when the engineers from the county

643
00:21:12,875 --> 00:21:14,500
and the department of transportation

644
00:21:14,833 --> 00:21:17,125
Make all of the design choices and then

645
00:21:17,125 --> 00:21:19,458
engineering choices for all the water

646
00:21:19,458 --> 00:21:21,750
flow for the stamp stormwater drains

647
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:23,666
Literally the pipes underneath your feet

648
00:21:23,666 --> 00:21:26,250
when you're taking a walk all of those

649
00:21:26,750 --> 00:21:30,791
You know decisions are made based on rain

650
00:21:30,791 --> 00:21:32,208
tables and precipitation

651
00:21:32,208 --> 00:21:36,041
Tables that are all fed by the weather

652
00:21:36,041 --> 00:21:38,125
and climate labs at NOAA

653
00:21:38,291 --> 00:21:41,500
Like it is NOAA data and NOAA predictions

654
00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:43,166
about it's not just about what is the

655
00:21:43,166 --> 00:21:44,333
rain gonna be like today?

656
00:21:44,333 --> 00:21:46,791
It's one of the risk windows in terms of

657
00:21:46,791 --> 00:21:48,083
the biggest precipitation

658
00:21:48,083 --> 00:21:50,291
events that you can anticipate

659
00:21:50,291 --> 00:21:52,875
you know 50 years from now because

660
00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:55,083
Goodness, you don't want to have to do

661
00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:56,375
this every 20 years in

662
00:21:56,375 --> 00:21:57,708
terms of digging up my street

663
00:21:57,958 --> 00:22:01,041
Right you want those assets to last for

664
00:22:01,041 --> 00:22:02,208
decades and decades?

665
00:22:02,750 --> 00:22:04,458
And so it's at times it's literally

666
00:22:04,458 --> 00:22:06,583
things like the engineering decisions for

667
00:22:06,583 --> 00:22:08,000
the pipes underneath your feet

668
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,041
To make sure that your street doesn't

669
00:22:10,041 --> 00:22:12,750
flood NOAA data are there and

670
00:22:12,750 --> 00:22:14,625
it's these kind of like unseen

671
00:22:15,125 --> 00:22:17,708
Unknown kind of ways that this agency,

672
00:22:17,708 --> 00:22:19,833
you know silently, you know

673
00:22:20,166 --> 00:22:22,166
Helps inform the life in our communities

674
00:22:22,166 --> 00:22:24,416
around us that I think many of us don't

675
00:22:24,416 --> 00:22:26,041
appreciate many of us take for granted

676
00:22:26,041 --> 00:22:29,000
And frankly the government should just do

677
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,041
this stuff, right? We

678
00:22:30,041 --> 00:22:31,833
shouldn't have to take for granted

679
00:22:31,916 --> 00:22:33,875
You know, we should be able to take it

680
00:22:33,875 --> 00:22:35,708
for granted that the plane just works.

681
00:22:35,708 --> 00:22:37,791
Yeah communities. So yeah

682
00:22:38,458 --> 00:22:39,250
Yeah, no, absolutely

683
00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:40,666
I mean, that's you're right

684
00:22:40,666 --> 00:22:42,000
We do take it for granted because we're

685
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:42,958
just like this is what the

686
00:22:42,958 --> 00:22:43,791
government is what we pay

687
00:22:43,833 --> 00:22:45,791
The government to do is to make sure that

688
00:22:45,791 --> 00:22:46,750
we're safe and that the

689
00:22:46,750 --> 00:22:47,833
infrastructure is there

690
00:22:47,875 --> 00:22:49,958
I think it's interesting when you know,

691
00:22:49,958 --> 00:22:52,250
you hear Noah you think atmosphere ocean

692
00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:54,250
you don't think about rain tables

693
00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:55,916
You don't you know, you don't think about

694
00:22:55,916 --> 00:22:58,666
how water flows in and around your area

695
00:22:58,666 --> 00:23:00,208
Maybe if you're along the coast, but you

696
00:23:00,208 --> 00:23:01,291
don't think about it in the interior

697
00:23:01,291 --> 00:23:02,583
And I think that is

698
00:23:02,583 --> 00:23:05,000
something that you know needs to be

699
00:23:05,666 --> 00:23:06,458
You know

700
00:23:07,083 --> 00:23:08,458
Reiterated every once in a while to

701
00:23:08,458 --> 00:23:09,916
really understand, you

702
00:23:09,916 --> 00:23:11,208
know what what they do

703
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,958
So that's that's good to know. So now

704
00:23:13,958 --> 00:23:15,750
like with that said, you know, if Noah

705
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:16,416
disappeared tomorrow

706
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,958
What would be the first things that

707
00:23:18,958 --> 00:23:20,833
people would notice

708
00:23:20,833 --> 00:23:22,708
missing in their daily lives?

709
00:23:23,166 --> 00:23:24,625
I mean other than the rain tables, you

710
00:23:24,625 --> 00:23:26,375
know, it would probably be the food on

711
00:23:26,375 --> 00:23:27,125
their plate and their

712
00:23:27,125 --> 00:23:28,541
weather forecasts, right?

713
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,250
Mm-hmm. And you know the weather

714
00:23:30,250 --> 00:23:31,333
forecasts in particular

715
00:23:31,375 --> 00:23:34,083
It's not just about the forecaster in the

716
00:23:34,083 --> 00:23:35,333
National Weather Service

717
00:23:35,708 --> 00:23:38,208
Office that like yes the call and issues

718
00:23:38,208 --> 00:23:39,916
the forecast. It's that entire

719
00:23:40,916 --> 00:23:43,625
Pipeline of data and information and

720
00:23:43,625 --> 00:23:44,666
information processing

721
00:23:44,666 --> 00:23:46,916
that leads to that moment

722
00:23:47,791 --> 00:23:49,541
And let me give you a great example

723
00:23:49,541 --> 00:23:51,208
because people often are like, all right

724
00:23:51,208 --> 00:23:53,958
Why should someone in Kansas care about

725
00:23:53,958 --> 00:23:55,791
ocean observing systems, right? Because

726
00:23:55,791 --> 00:23:57,208
ocean Conservancy I

727
00:23:57,208 --> 00:23:58,416
care about the ocean stuff

728
00:23:59,208 --> 00:24:01,666
well tornado outbreaks in Kansas and

729
00:24:01,666 --> 00:24:02,791
storms and droughts in

730
00:24:02,791 --> 00:24:04,750
Kansas are all driven by

731
00:24:05,541 --> 00:24:07,541
Precipitation that flows up through

732
00:24:07,541 --> 00:24:10,291
basically a you know, a small

733
00:24:10,541 --> 00:24:13,000
You know, it's like a mini jet stream

734
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,416
about a mile up that carries moisture

735
00:24:15,416 --> 00:24:16,666
from the Gulf of Mexico

736
00:24:16,833 --> 00:24:18,833
To the Great Plains in Kansas

737
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:21,500
so if you don't understand what's

738
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:23,625
happening in the Gulf of Mexico and if

739
00:24:23,625 --> 00:24:25,250
you don't understand the temperatures and

740
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:26,791
the moisture that flows from the

741
00:24:26,791 --> 00:24:28,625
Gulf of Mexico over to Kansas

742
00:24:28,958 --> 00:24:31,041
You can't do a good job predicting

743
00:24:31,041 --> 00:24:32,958
tornadoes so that you can

744
00:24:32,958 --> 00:24:35,458
give a family an extra 10 minutes

745
00:24:35,958 --> 00:24:38,041
To go to their basement and and get out

746
00:24:38,041 --> 00:24:39,500
of harm's way and that could be like a

747
00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:40,666
life or death situation

748
00:24:41,125 --> 00:24:43,791
Absolutely. It is day in and day out and

749
00:24:43,791 --> 00:24:45,083
it's not just tornadoes or

750
00:24:45,083 --> 00:24:46,916
storms. It's also, you know

751
00:24:47,458 --> 00:24:48,875
Drought events can be just

752
00:24:48,875 --> 00:24:51,583
as devastating as as you know

753
00:24:51,666 --> 00:24:54,041
Major storms and tornadoes and drought

754
00:24:54,041 --> 00:24:56,208
events too. It's about what happens in

755
00:24:56,208 --> 00:24:57,583
the Pacific Ocean, you know

756
00:24:57,625 --> 00:24:58,958
We hear people talking

757
00:24:58,958 --> 00:25:00,791
about the El Nino La Nina cycle

758
00:25:00,916 --> 00:25:03,041
If you don't understand what's going on

759
00:25:03,041 --> 00:25:05,541
with El Nino and La Nina in the ocean

760
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:07,958
You can't predict what's gonna happen

761
00:25:07,958 --> 00:25:09,750
with drought and severe

762
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:11,583
weather anywhere in the country

763
00:25:11,583 --> 00:25:13,750
Yeah, especially coastal zones, but also

764
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:16,250
in places like Oklahoma, Kansas or

765
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:17,375
Illinois or Wisconsin

766
00:25:17,875 --> 00:25:18,791
Yeah, and all the way

767
00:25:18,791 --> 00:25:19,625
up to Canada as well

768
00:25:19,625 --> 00:25:19,875
Yeah

769
00:25:19,875 --> 00:25:21,875
When there I think I think I heard

770
00:25:21,875 --> 00:25:23,500
something we're going into a super El

771
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:25,500
Nino coming out of an El Nino like

772
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:27,916
We don't know this unless we have that

773
00:25:27,916 --> 00:25:29,666
data and we have those predictive models

774
00:25:29,666 --> 00:25:32,000
that come out of of Noah

775
00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:34,208
What like, you know, there's a lot of

776
00:25:34,208 --> 00:25:36,375
stuff that that Noah does

777
00:25:36,375 --> 00:25:38,208
that we maybe take for granted

778
00:25:38,208 --> 00:25:40,000
Like, you know the weather for instance,

779
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:40,833
you know, people will take

780
00:25:40,833 --> 00:25:42,958
for granted. Why do you think?

781
00:25:43,666 --> 00:25:45,500
when when cuts were announced

782
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,458
There are a lot of people being like

783
00:25:47,458 --> 00:25:48,208
yeah, these are a lot.

784
00:25:48,208 --> 00:25:48,833
There's a lot of wasteful

785
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:53,208
Programs at Noah like they need to be cut

786
00:25:53,208 --> 00:25:54,583
and it seemed like you know, some of

787
00:25:54,583 --> 00:25:56,208
those programs were like, oh no

788
00:25:56,208 --> 00:25:58,041
We actually really you know, we need this

789
00:25:58,291 --> 00:26:01,333
Why are people so quick to and with your

790
00:26:01,333 --> 00:26:02,875
experience, you know in

791
00:26:02,875 --> 00:26:04,083
in government affairs?

792
00:26:04,083 --> 00:26:06,708
So why are people so quick to sort of

793
00:26:06,708 --> 00:26:08,541
dismiss some of these programs right off

794
00:26:08,541 --> 00:26:09,416
the bat when that people

795
00:26:09,416 --> 00:26:10,208
are saying they're gonna get

796
00:26:10,208 --> 00:26:12,000
Cut I think it's because they've never

797
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,958
heard of the programs and they don't know

798
00:26:13,958 --> 00:26:14,875
what they do, right?

799
00:26:15,375 --> 00:26:18,500
So like, you know people will rush to to

800
00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:20,541
come to the aid of the National Weather

801
00:26:20,541 --> 00:26:22,333
Service and their local, you know

802
00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:24,458
Forecast office and their local

803
00:26:24,458 --> 00:26:26,458
meteorologists in charge because they've

804
00:26:26,458 --> 00:26:28,041
heard of that and they understand that

805
00:26:28,041 --> 00:26:29,166
and they know what that is

806
00:26:29,541 --> 00:26:31,791
But other parts of Noah like a you know

807
00:26:31,791 --> 00:26:33,208
cooperative institutes and

808
00:26:33,208 --> 00:26:35,208
research labs and you know

809
00:26:35,208 --> 00:26:37,208
Severe weather storm centers all that

810
00:26:37,208 --> 00:26:39,208
sort of stuff. It's you

811
00:26:39,208 --> 00:26:40,500
know, people haven't heard of it

812
00:26:40,750 --> 00:26:42,583
They kind of assume that like oh, it can

813
00:26:42,583 --> 00:26:43,333
that really be that

814
00:26:43,333 --> 00:26:44,625
important if I've never heard of it

815
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,125
And yet those very things are the things

816
00:26:47,125 --> 00:26:48,250
that provide the data

817
00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:49,458
and process the models

818
00:26:49,875 --> 00:26:51,666
Uh that there's you know

819
00:26:51,666 --> 00:26:53,750
The forecasters actually need to do their

820
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:57,000
job or you know that all of us need to to

821
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
understand and improve, you know

822
00:26:59,291 --> 00:27:01,250
forecasts for hurricanes a

823
00:27:01,458 --> 00:27:03,625
Perfect example is when you look at

824
00:27:03,625 --> 00:27:05,791
hurricane Katrina compared to today

825
00:27:06,083 --> 00:27:08,666
We have dramatically improved our

826
00:27:08,666 --> 00:27:10,500
forecasting ability for hurricanes

827
00:27:11,333 --> 00:27:14,750
If you look at all of the specific labs

828
00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:16,541
and institutes and parts of Noah

829
00:27:17,041 --> 00:27:19,666
That actually did the work to improve

830
00:27:19,666 --> 00:27:22,250
those forecasts chances are you haven't

831
00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:23,791
heard of most of those entities

832
00:27:24,166 --> 00:27:25,708
You've never heard of them. It doesn't

833
00:27:25,708 --> 00:27:26,916
mean that they're not important

834
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:29,750
And so a lot of what we need to do right

835
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:32,208
now when these kind of cuts are being

836
00:27:32,208 --> 00:27:34,375
proposed is to tell that story

837
00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:35,291
Right. We've got to

838
00:27:35,291 --> 00:27:36,458
make that stuff accessible

839
00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:38,916
So people understand what these different

840
00:27:38,916 --> 00:27:40,916
parts of Noah do why they're important

841
00:27:40,916 --> 00:27:42,375
how they're linked and interrelated

842
00:27:43,125 --> 00:27:45,333
And how if you you know chop off one part

843
00:27:45,333 --> 00:27:46,833
of Noah that damage

844
00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:48,000
just doesn't stay there

845
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,458
It affects all sorts of you know ripple

846
00:27:50,458 --> 00:27:52,041
impacts across the agency

847
00:27:52,041 --> 00:27:53,916
services that people depend on

848
00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:56,708
Indeed indeed. Let's talk about the

849
00:27:56,708 --> 00:27:59,000
overall ocean conservation impact of

850
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,333
Noah. How does Noah

851
00:28:00,333 --> 00:28:02,083
directly keep the ocean healthy?

852
00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:04,416
Yeah, so Noah has a whole bunch of

853
00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:06,000
management responsibilities

854
00:28:06,166 --> 00:28:08,625
So under the endangered species act it

855
00:28:08,625 --> 00:28:10,166
has all sorts of

856
00:28:10,166 --> 00:28:11,208
responsibilities to you know

857
00:28:11,333 --> 00:28:13,000
Analyze when people want to do things

858
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,625
that are going to

859
00:28:13,625 --> 00:28:15,458
potentially endanger a species

860
00:28:15,958 --> 00:28:17,916
Um, they're responsible for recovery

861
00:28:17,916 --> 00:28:20,375
plans. They're responsible for protected

862
00:28:20,375 --> 00:28:21,750
areas like natural marine

863
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:23,125
sanctuaries the management

864
00:28:23,375 --> 00:28:25,708
And stewardship of those areas one of the

865
00:28:25,708 --> 00:28:26,666
biggest impacts is

866
00:28:26,666 --> 00:28:27,541
through fisheries management

867
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,625
trying to make sure that we do fisheries

868
00:28:29,625 --> 00:28:32,125
management in a way that is sustainable

869
00:28:32,125 --> 00:28:34,125
and that doesn't you know,

870
00:28:34,416 --> 00:28:36,750
You know have all sorts of the you know,

871
00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:38,833
bycatch issues and habitat destruction

872
00:28:39,375 --> 00:28:41,166
Uh, so noah plays a direct

873
00:28:41,166 --> 00:28:43,375
role in a lot of the activities

874
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,916
That you know directly harm

875
00:28:46,541 --> 00:28:48,541
Ecosystems and marine environments and

876
00:28:48,541 --> 00:28:51,250
marine wildlife. Noah is the steward for

877
00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:53,041
those resources. Noah is responsible

878
00:28:53,708 --> 00:28:55,875
under the law for managing those

879
00:28:55,875 --> 00:28:57,333
resources for making those

880
00:28:57,333 --> 00:28:58,916
decisions and making those calls

881
00:28:59,125 --> 00:29:00,750
It doesn't mean that noah always does

882
00:29:00,750 --> 00:29:02,041
what I wish they would do

883
00:29:02,291 --> 00:29:03,166
But they are the agency

884
00:29:03,166 --> 00:29:04,833
that has the responsibility

885
00:29:05,291 --> 00:29:07,291
To help us make sure that we've got you

886
00:29:07,291 --> 00:29:09,333
know thriving wildlife in the ocean and

887
00:29:09,333 --> 00:29:10,708
that we're taking care of habitats

888
00:29:11,208 --> 00:29:13,208
And that we're managing our fisheries

889
00:29:13,208 --> 00:29:14,583
sustainably for the future

890
00:29:15,291 --> 00:29:17,125
Yeah, and I can just I I know I don't

891
00:29:17,125 --> 00:29:18,791
know if you know the number off hand

892
00:29:19,375 --> 00:29:21,916
How many people generally work at at noah

893
00:29:21,916 --> 00:29:23,375
with all their departments if you if you

894
00:29:23,375 --> 00:29:24,750
look at it from an overall perspective

895
00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:26,666
Oh, I should know this but I don't okay.

896
00:29:26,666 --> 00:29:28,291
It's a few thousand. Yeah, it's several

897
00:29:28,291 --> 00:29:29,791
thousand people several thousand

898
00:29:29,791 --> 00:29:31,250
Yeah, so it's not just like a small

899
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:32,541
department that you know

900
00:29:32,541 --> 00:29:34,250
You have five or six people in each

901
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:35,166
office as you go around

902
00:29:35,166 --> 00:29:36,541
it's spread around the country

903
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,500
All around the country not just along the

904
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:40,250
coastline especially, you know, obviously

905
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:42,041
headquartered in washington d.c

906
00:29:42,041 --> 00:29:42,750
like this is

907
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:45,458
It's it's got its hands in every pretty

908
00:29:45,458 --> 00:29:46,833
much everything around the

909
00:29:46,833 --> 00:29:48,916
ocean and and and atmosphere

910
00:29:49,541 --> 00:29:51,791
So I just wanted people to to know that

911
00:29:51,791 --> 00:29:53,750
there's several thousands because like we

912
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:54,833
know so many people who

913
00:29:55,208 --> 00:29:57,208
Are in it probably between just the the

914
00:29:57,208 --> 00:29:58,833
two of us. It's it's uh,

915
00:29:58,833 --> 00:30:00,041
it's an important thing

916
00:30:00,458 --> 00:30:03,416
Um now, yeah, we so we talk about its

917
00:30:03,416 --> 00:30:05,708
involvement in in you know, endangered

918
00:30:05,708 --> 00:30:06,375
species protecting

919
00:30:06,375 --> 00:30:07,541
endangered species and so forth

920
00:30:07,791 --> 00:30:09,375
One thing he didn't mention is it's also

921
00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:11,458
involved in ocean exploration, you know,

922
00:30:11,458 --> 00:30:12,708
like the deep sea and things like that

923
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,833
So why is that? Can you just I know you

924
00:30:14,833 --> 00:30:15,833
and I know why it's important

925
00:30:15,833 --> 00:30:17,166
But can you just talk a little bit about

926
00:30:17,166 --> 00:30:19,125
why it's important for noah to explore?

927
00:30:19,666 --> 00:30:21,375
Different parts of the ocean to get a

928
00:30:21,375 --> 00:30:22,208
better understanding

929
00:30:22,208 --> 00:30:25,125
of it. Yeah, I mean noah

930
00:30:25,625 --> 00:30:28,583
Is is basically the only agency that we

931
00:30:28,583 --> 00:30:30,083
have that can explore

932
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,333
the vast majority of the planet that

933
00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:35,583
we've never seen or explored and have

934
00:30:35,583 --> 00:30:37,166
very little understanding of

935
00:30:37,916 --> 00:30:40,375
And so, you know, it's almost hard to put

936
00:30:40,375 --> 00:30:42,375
into words how important that is

937
00:30:43,041 --> 00:30:44,833
Um, other than that they are on the

938
00:30:44,833 --> 00:30:46,000
forefront of science

939
00:30:46,416 --> 00:30:49,041
It is not very often that you have true

940
00:30:49,041 --> 00:30:52,000
exploration on the planet right now and

941
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,625
the ocean is where that exploration

942
00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:54,875
is happening

943
00:30:55,291 --> 00:30:55,833
uh

944
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,416
Because without that we just we're going

945
00:30:58,416 --> 00:31:00,416
to continue to live in ignorance about

946
00:31:00,416 --> 00:31:01,541
the nature of our planet

947
00:31:01,958 --> 00:31:05,708
And you know 70 of the globe is going to

948
00:31:05,708 --> 00:31:08,250
just go unseen unknown and unexplored

949
00:31:09,041 --> 00:31:11,000
Yeah, yeah, it's it's uh

950
00:31:11,708 --> 00:31:13,416
I think one of the you know, we we just

951
00:31:13,416 --> 00:31:14,791
had artemis to go into

952
00:31:14,791 --> 00:31:16,458
space and that was wonderful

953
00:31:17,125 --> 00:31:19,291
Imagine having a live feed of people

954
00:31:19,291 --> 00:31:20,916
going out into the ocean and being able

955
00:31:20,916 --> 00:31:22,833
to see what's down the ocean and how

956
00:31:22,833 --> 00:31:23,875
similar it is to work

957
00:31:23,875 --> 00:31:26,625
In in such difficult environments, you

958
00:31:26,625 --> 00:31:28,500
know, it's not an easy thing, you know,

959
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,041
and I know we don't do as many

960
00:31:30,666 --> 00:31:33,333
You know people man like people subs

961
00:31:33,333 --> 00:31:34,291
going down a lot of

962
00:31:34,291 --> 00:31:35,375
remotely operated vehicles

963
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:37,958
But the amount of money and and the the

964
00:31:37,958 --> 00:31:39,875
challenges that we're faced to go down

965
00:31:39,875 --> 00:31:41,708
there sometimes rivals space

966
00:31:41,708 --> 00:31:42,666
So I think it's important

967
00:31:42,666 --> 00:31:44,333
that that we that we get that

968
00:31:44,833 --> 00:31:47,000
Uh involved like that that involved in

969
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,375
exploration now, you know talks about

970
00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:51,625
this overall ocean conservation impact

971
00:31:51,625 --> 00:31:52,791
It's very important. You

972
00:31:52,791 --> 00:31:54,125
know, no is involved in a lot

973
00:31:54,750 --> 00:31:56,875
What happens to ocean science and

974
00:31:56,875 --> 00:31:58,791
conservation efforts from noah?

975
00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:01,041
When you know the funding that we're

976
00:32:01,041 --> 00:32:02,000
seeing or just in

977
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,166
general becomes unstable

978
00:32:04,083 --> 00:32:05,000
year to year

979
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,833
Yeah So I think the first impact that we saw

980
00:32:08,833 --> 00:32:10,000
right off the bat at the

981
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,208
beginning of this administration

982
00:32:11,958 --> 00:32:14,291
Is the people impact in terms of the

983
00:32:14,291 --> 00:32:17,375
intellectual kind of firepower that the

984
00:32:17,375 --> 00:32:19,166
federal government has through

985
00:32:19,833 --> 00:32:20,416
incredibly

986
00:32:21,291 --> 00:32:22,583
experienced and seasoned

987
00:32:23,458 --> 00:32:25,875
Scientists and engineers and and

988
00:32:25,875 --> 00:32:27,416
world-renowned experts

989
00:32:27,958 --> 00:32:29,666
Uh when you start trying

990
00:32:29,666 --> 00:32:31,000
to undermine that workforce

991
00:32:31,875 --> 00:32:35,000
And that that brain that we have at our

992
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,250
fingertips as taxpayers

993
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:37,375
um

994
00:32:38,083 --> 00:32:39,125
That's hard to get back

995
00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:42,041
It's it's really hard to get back and

996
00:32:42,041 --> 00:32:43,333
there's a human toll

997
00:32:43,791 --> 00:32:46,125
Uh as well in terms of the you know

998
00:32:46,125 --> 00:32:47,958
taking some of our best and brightest,

999
00:32:47,958 --> 00:32:49,458
uh, you know scientists

1000
00:32:49,958 --> 00:32:50,875
on ocean and

1001
00:32:50,875 --> 00:32:52,916
atmospheric science and you know

1002
00:32:53,458 --> 00:32:56,875
Uh basically making it so they don't want

1003
00:32:56,875 --> 00:32:58,583
to work for the people anymore

1004
00:32:58,833 --> 00:32:59,250
um

1005
00:33:00,083 --> 00:33:02,500
And I think that's that's just a huge

1006
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:04,708
loss, uh for our country and it's it's

1007
00:33:04,708 --> 00:33:06,083
hard to rebuild that and

1008
00:33:06,083 --> 00:33:07,625
it's expensive to rebuild that

1009
00:33:07,708 --> 00:33:08,583
It's extremely

1010
00:33:09,125 --> 00:33:11,500
extremely short-sighted, uh in terms of

1011
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:13,416
the the damage that that does

1012
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,125
in the long run

1013
00:33:15,458 --> 00:33:17,833
But I think what people don't realize too

1014
00:33:17,833 --> 00:33:19,125
because we like in canada

1015
00:33:19,125 --> 00:33:20,750
We saw these cuts happen during the

1016
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:21,666
harper administration

1017
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,166
Uh conservative government in the early

1018
00:33:24,166 --> 00:33:26,375
2000 or mid 2000s and

1019
00:33:26,375 --> 00:33:28,625
early 2012 no teens, I guess

1020
00:33:29,041 --> 00:33:29,333
um

1021
00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:31,708
And what was happening is is what we saw

1022
00:33:31,708 --> 00:33:33,125
and we're probably going to see the same

1023
00:33:33,125 --> 00:33:34,541
thing as these cuts happen is

1024
00:33:34,916 --> 00:33:36,958
You get a lot of people who have been at

1025
00:33:36,958 --> 00:33:39,625
the agencies for a very long time

1026
00:33:39,625 --> 00:33:40,958
They're towards the end of their careers

1027
00:33:40,958 --> 00:33:41,500
and they kind of get

1028
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:42,791
pushed out a little early

1029
00:33:43,208 --> 00:33:44,750
Uh to allow for something yet, but the

1030
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:46,875
problem is is that knowledge transfer

1031
00:33:46,875 --> 00:33:48,500
with the experience that they have

1032
00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:50,333
Doesn't necessarily get transferred

1033
00:33:50,333 --> 00:33:52,583
because it's such an abrupt change and

1034
00:33:52,583 --> 00:33:53,333
they're and they're

1035
00:33:53,333 --> 00:33:54,708
obvious like just gone

1036
00:33:54,750 --> 00:33:57,500
Uh, and and they've retired but then also

1037
00:33:57,500 --> 00:33:58,958
you get if there's a lot of

1038
00:33:58,958 --> 00:34:00,833
cuts you get that loss of that

1039
00:34:01,416 --> 00:34:03,875
You know sort of mid-career group of

1040
00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:05,791
people who have accrued all this

1041
00:34:05,791 --> 00:34:06,500
information have

1042
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:07,875
learned from their mentors

1043
00:34:08,166 --> 00:34:10,458
Over those years and they lose and they

1044
00:34:10,458 --> 00:34:12,000
lose that and they get jobs other places

1045
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,375
But they you lose again that that that

1046
00:34:14,375 --> 00:34:16,375
knowledge and then the passing off of

1047
00:34:16,375 --> 00:34:17,833
that knowledge for these programs that

1048
00:34:17,833 --> 00:34:18,916
have gone on for decades

1049
00:34:19,708 --> 00:34:21,833
uh, and not only are you getting gaps in

1050
00:34:21,833 --> 00:34:23,791
the in the data from those

1051
00:34:23,791 --> 00:34:26,125
years where the funding is is

1052
00:34:26,708 --> 00:34:27,000
unstable

1053
00:34:27,541 --> 00:34:29,125
But you're also losing the people who

1054
00:34:29,125 --> 00:34:31,083
worked in those and and so the efficiency

1055
00:34:31,083 --> 00:34:32,333
of that program can't

1056
00:34:32,333 --> 00:34:33,583
get better as as we go

1057
00:34:33,583 --> 00:34:35,583
Along the knowledge in there that the

1058
00:34:35,583 --> 00:34:37,541
amount of questions that are being asked

1059
00:34:37,541 --> 00:34:38,500
and being pushed so that we

1060
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:39,833
can find out more about how

1061
00:34:39,833 --> 00:34:42,166
To stabilize fisheries and and make sure

1062
00:34:42,166 --> 00:34:43,958
things are doing are going well with with

1063
00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:45,375
endangered species and so forth

1064
00:34:45,541 --> 00:34:47,583
It just gets all disrupted and then to

1065
00:34:47,583 --> 00:34:50,000
rebuild it takes a lot longer than I

1066
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,041
think people realize

1067
00:34:51,041 --> 00:34:52,583
It's not just you can lay off these

1068
00:34:52,583 --> 00:34:54,500
people you can disrupt their lives

1069
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:56,041
They have to go get other jobs and

1070
00:34:56,041 --> 00:34:56,875
they're going to be in

1071
00:34:56,875 --> 00:34:58,083
those jobs for a long time

1072
00:34:58,083 --> 00:35:00,000
Hopefully, but they're not it's not as if

1073
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,500
they're going to just

1074
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:01,958
come back to the government

1075
00:35:02,416 --> 00:35:04,333
As quickly as as we all think and that

1076
00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:05,833
knowledge kind of it takes years and

1077
00:35:05,833 --> 00:35:07,541
years to put that into place

1078
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,250
Am I off on that or or is that no, you

1079
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:11,666
know, that's what's the concern as well?

1080
00:35:11,958 --> 00:35:13,416
Yeah, you're totally right. I think part

1081
00:35:13,416 --> 00:35:14,875
of what you're getting at is that it's

1082
00:35:14,875 --> 00:35:16,750
not just personnel. It's

1083
00:35:17,041 --> 00:35:19,375
institutional capacity, right? Yeah

1084
00:35:19,375 --> 00:35:21,125
Yeah, you know even the people who are

1085
00:35:21,125 --> 00:35:24,000
still there who are you know within noah?

1086
00:35:24,458 --> 00:35:25,833
They're having to deal with these, you

1087
00:35:25,833 --> 00:35:26,708
know potential budget

1088
00:35:26,708 --> 00:35:28,208
cuts and what does that mean?

1089
00:35:28,208 --> 00:35:30,500
And you know the people that so great

1090
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:32,250
example the office of oceanic and

1091
00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:33,625
atmospheric research

1092
00:35:33,708 --> 00:35:35,666
Which is the line office that does all of

1093
00:35:35,666 --> 00:35:38,250
the research for ocean stuff for

1094
00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:40,166
atmospheric stuff for climate stuff

1095
00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:41,166
everything

1096
00:35:42,208 --> 00:35:44,291
That line office the administration is

1097
00:35:44,291 --> 00:35:47,375
proposed zeroing the whole thing out just

1098
00:35:47,375 --> 00:35:48,791
completely getting rid of it

1099
00:35:49,208 --> 00:35:50,916
So if you are a scientist

1100
00:35:51,541 --> 00:35:54,208
At oar and you have managerial

1101
00:35:54,208 --> 00:35:56,083
responsibility. Are you planning on

1102
00:35:56,083 --> 00:35:57,833
closing up shop or do you

1103
00:35:57,833 --> 00:35:59,708
wait and see what congress does?

1104
00:36:00,166 --> 00:36:01,416
I mean, there's a huge amount of over,

1105
00:36:01,416 --> 00:36:04,083
you know uncertainty that overhangs all

1106
00:36:04,083 --> 00:36:06,375
of these programs and all of these kind

1107
00:36:06,375 --> 00:36:07,541
of capacities within

1108
00:36:07,625 --> 00:36:09,958
uh within noah that are critically

1109
00:36:09,958 --> 00:36:12,375
important right? I mean these these

1110
00:36:12,375 --> 00:36:14,458
climate labs are are essential for doing

1111
00:36:14,458 --> 00:36:15,833
things like getting precipitation

1112
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:17,458
uh, you know

1113
00:36:18,541 --> 00:36:20,625
Predictions so that we all know how to

1114
00:36:20,625 --> 00:36:22,541
you know build our pipes in our streets

1115
00:36:23,208 --> 00:36:24,500
And the question is

1116
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:26,041
where do you go from there?

1117
00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:28,750
And I think a lot of people are trying to

1118
00:36:28,750 --> 00:36:29,916
kind of just get

1119
00:36:29,916 --> 00:36:31,583
through it and and figure out

1120
00:36:31,625 --> 00:36:34,500
Um, you know how to provide services the

1121
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:36,166
best they can and the best they know how

1122
00:36:36,166 --> 00:36:38,000
but it's a volatile time

1123
00:36:38,208 --> 00:36:40,708
And I think it's it's a shame when when

1124
00:36:40,708 --> 00:36:42,666
some of our best and brightest people

1125
00:36:43,125 --> 00:36:44,375
Are having to spend

1126
00:36:44,375 --> 00:36:46,333
their energy and their time?

1127
00:36:47,083 --> 00:36:48,208
figuring out how to deal

1128
00:36:48,208 --> 00:36:50,333
with the political kind of

1129
00:36:50,625 --> 00:36:53,583
chaotic system that they're living in um

1130
00:36:53,583 --> 00:36:55,833
as opposed to focusing on uh,

1131
00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:58,583
their their you know, their brain power

1132
00:36:58,583 --> 00:37:01,750
and focusing that on on solving kind of

1133
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:03,750
the the biggest mysteries and and

1134
00:37:03,916 --> 00:37:04,541
You know coming up

1135
00:37:04,541 --> 00:37:05,458
with solutions for society

1136
00:37:06,750 --> 00:37:07,125
Absolutely

1137
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,250
I want to kind of switch a little bit, uh

1138
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:11,500
to highlight some another important

1139
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:14,458
aspect of of noah and that is seafood

1140
00:37:14,666 --> 00:37:15,458
Like just fisheries

1141
00:37:15,458 --> 00:37:17,166
food and jobs in general

1142
00:37:17,666 --> 00:37:19,916
Um, a lot of people don't connect noah

1143
00:37:19,916 --> 00:37:22,125
with seafood prices, which I didn't

1144
00:37:22,125 --> 00:37:24,333
initially went until until I found out

1145
00:37:24,666 --> 00:37:27,083
So how does noah funding affect what

1146
00:37:27,083 --> 00:37:28,166
people pay at the

1147
00:37:28,166 --> 00:37:29,541
grocery store at a restaurant?

1148
00:37:30,291 --> 00:37:31,000
Yeah, so

1149
00:37:31,458 --> 00:37:33,541
Noah's responsibility is to try to make

1150
00:37:33,541 --> 00:37:35,750
sure that in the long run we have

1151
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:37,583
fisheries that are sustainable that can

1152
00:37:37,583 --> 00:37:38,875
be sustainably harvested

1153
00:37:39,541 --> 00:37:42,333
For everyone and so what that means is

1154
00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:43,958
that they're ideally under

1155
00:37:43,958 --> 00:37:45,208
the magnus and stevens act

1156
00:37:45,541 --> 00:37:47,916
Ideally, there is a kind of a steadiness

1157
00:37:47,916 --> 00:37:49,958
and a stability to our seafood economy

1158
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:52,416
Where you know, you don't have these

1159
00:37:52,416 --> 00:37:55,000
huge, you know gluts where fisheries, you

1160
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,666
know fleets go out and

1161
00:37:56,666 --> 00:37:58,583
kind of devastate the fishery

1162
00:37:58,583 --> 00:37:59,708
And then it's gone

1163
00:38:00,250 --> 00:38:02,500
Yeah, instead you it's about sustainable

1164
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:04,041
yield. It's about trying to make sure

1165
00:38:04,041 --> 00:38:05,000
that our sustainable

1166
00:38:05,541 --> 00:38:08,208
uh, you know our seafood economy is

1167
00:38:08,208 --> 00:38:10,250
sustainable and predictable and so that

1168
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:12,500
that results in you know

1169
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:14,083
seafood supplies that are

1170
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,333
you know fairly steady but always with an

1171
00:38:17,333 --> 00:38:18,583
eye towards conservation

1172
00:38:18,583 --> 00:38:20,250
and always with an eye towards

1173
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:21,541
Making sure that the

1174
00:38:21,541 --> 00:38:22,791
stocks are there in the future

1175
00:38:23,041 --> 00:38:25,625
Now that's a tough job, right? It's it's

1176
00:38:25,625 --> 00:38:27,708
not easy to do that and do it well

1177
00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:30,416
And you know the agency makes mistakes at

1178
00:38:30,416 --> 00:38:32,916
times and fisheries sometimes, you know

1179
00:38:32,916 --> 00:38:34,291
overshoot and overfish

1180
00:38:34,833 --> 00:38:36,000
stocks that they're fishing

1181
00:38:36,833 --> 00:38:39,291
But at least overall in the in the system

1182
00:38:39,291 --> 00:38:41,541
as a whole the idea is that we need

1183
00:38:41,541 --> 00:38:43,750
sustainable wild caught fisheries

1184
00:38:44,291 --> 00:38:46,208
That we can all access because when I go

1185
00:38:46,208 --> 00:38:47,416
to the grocery store and

1186
00:38:47,416 --> 00:38:48,916
when I look in the seafood case

1187
00:38:49,375 --> 00:38:51,166
If it's caught in the united

1188
00:38:51,166 --> 00:38:53,250
states as a wild caught fishery

1189
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:56,375
I want to have a confidence that the us

1190
00:38:56,375 --> 00:38:58,666
government is making sure that that is

1191
00:38:58,666 --> 00:39:00,625
happening sustainably, right?

1192
00:39:00,875 --> 00:39:01,875
I don't want to have to

1193
00:39:02,125 --> 00:39:05,000
uh go and and you know have a phd and

1194
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,875
fishery science to understand which fish

1195
00:39:06,875 --> 00:39:08,666
are sustainable and which are not

1196
00:39:08,833 --> 00:39:10,708
We should have an expectation to be able

1197
00:39:10,708 --> 00:39:12,291
to know that what we're eating

1198
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:13,708
we can eat

1199
00:39:14,666 --> 00:39:17,916
safely and that it is not going to be at

1200
00:39:17,916 --> 00:39:20,166
the detriment of future generations

1201
00:39:21,125 --> 00:39:24,500
Now if cuts happen, yeah to noah and in

1202
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:27,625
this and their seafood, you know programs

1203
00:39:28,291 --> 00:39:30,666
Uh, that stock assessment and and you

1204
00:39:30,666 --> 00:39:31,666
know the economy the

1205
00:39:31,666 --> 00:39:33,166
economics around it as well

1206
00:39:33,625 --> 00:39:35,833
Uh, how could coastal communities and

1207
00:39:35,833 --> 00:39:37,750
fishing jobs be affected? Yeah

1208
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:40,250
it's a great question and the

1209
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:40,875
the

1210
00:39:41,541 --> 00:39:42,625
one of the things that

1211
00:39:43,125 --> 00:39:45,541
The agency is already toying with as an

1212
00:39:45,541 --> 00:39:47,416
idea is that we're just going to take

1213
00:39:47,416 --> 00:39:48,583
some stocks out of management

1214
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,208
We're just we're just going to stop

1215
00:39:50,208 --> 00:39:52,333
managing them at least some of them

1216
00:39:53,125 --> 00:39:53,416
and

1217
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:56,458
What does that mean? Okay what that

1218
00:39:56,458 --> 00:39:58,500
means? It's almost as if you're driving a

1219
00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:59,500
car down the highway

1220
00:39:59,875 --> 00:40:02,333
Yeah, and you're like, all right. This

1221
00:40:02,333 --> 00:40:03,500
highway is kind of straight

1222
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:06,000
I feel kind of confident but like it

1223
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:06,916
takes a lot of energy

1224
00:40:06,916 --> 00:40:07,958
to keep my eyes open

1225
00:40:08,166 --> 00:40:10,375
So i'm just going to put a blindfold on

1226
00:40:10,375 --> 00:40:12,458
and we'll hope for the best right?

1227
00:40:13,333 --> 00:40:14,250
And so hopefully we're

1228
00:40:14,250 --> 00:40:15,541
still going straight. Yes

1229
00:40:16,333 --> 00:40:17,166
So you may not

1230
00:40:17,166 --> 00:40:19,083
experience tragedy right away

1231
00:40:19,541 --> 00:40:21,500
But sooner or later you're

1232
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:22,666
going to end up in a car wreck

1233
00:40:23,166 --> 00:40:25,041
And your chances of being in a car wreck

1234
00:40:25,041 --> 00:40:26,708
have gone way up by

1235
00:40:26,708 --> 00:40:27,875
putting on a blindfold

1236
00:40:28,416 --> 00:40:29,833
And that's basically what we're saying

1237
00:40:29,833 --> 00:40:32,000
we're we're going to choose to do is, you

1238
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,291
know, if we say, uh, it's a

1239
00:40:33,291 --> 00:40:34,541
self-fulfilling prophecy, right?

1240
00:40:34,583 --> 00:40:37,000
Uh, we can't afford because we have

1241
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,375
budget cuts. We can't

1242
00:40:38,375 --> 00:40:39,541
afford to manage these stocks

1243
00:40:39,791 --> 00:40:42,125
So we're just gonna stop managing a bunch

1244
00:40:42,125 --> 00:40:43,875
of them, right? That's just saying we're

1245
00:40:43,875 --> 00:40:45,041
not going to be the eyes and ears

1246
00:40:45,041 --> 00:40:46,583
We're not going to look at it. We're not

1247
00:40:46,583 --> 00:40:47,375
going to try to manage

1248
00:40:47,375 --> 00:40:48,500
it. We're going to give up

1249
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:50,250
We're going to put on the blindfold and

1250
00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:52,375
then we'll wait for disaster to strike

1251
00:40:52,375 --> 00:40:54,041
and mark you it will

1252
00:40:54,041 --> 00:40:55,750
happen. Yeah sooner or later

1253
00:40:56,416 --> 00:40:58,458
Yeah, and we talk a lot about you know

1254
00:40:58,458 --> 00:41:00,500
with weather and safety and communities

1255
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:01,416
and so forth already

1256
00:41:02,083 --> 00:41:03,625
um, you know, but some people are like

1257
00:41:03,625 --> 00:41:05,166
with these cuts a lot of people are like

1258
00:41:05,166 --> 00:41:06,500
and I guess this is a very

1259
00:41:07,208 --> 00:41:08,666
I'm gonna say like conservative way of

1260
00:41:08,666 --> 00:41:09,583
thinking like in terms

1261
00:41:09,583 --> 00:41:10,583
of conservative politics

1262
00:41:10,583 --> 00:41:12,208
But some argue that you know private

1263
00:41:12,208 --> 00:41:14,458
companies could replace, you know

1264
00:41:14,458 --> 00:41:16,291
government services, right? Especially

1265
00:41:16,291 --> 00:41:17,833
like science services

1266
00:41:18,333 --> 00:41:18,833
um

1267
00:41:19,458 --> 00:41:21,791
Potentially like weather stations and and

1268
00:41:21,791 --> 00:41:23,083
so forth. Where does

1269
00:41:23,083 --> 00:41:24,333
that argument fall short?

1270
00:41:24,958 --> 00:41:26,208
Yeah, because it because it like it

1271
00:41:26,208 --> 00:41:28,000
doesn't that doesn't seem like that's a

1272
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,625
good idea in the long run

1273
00:41:30,166 --> 00:41:31,875
So where does that argument fall short?

1274
00:41:32,583 --> 00:41:33,458
Yeah, so I think

1275
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,625
The the weather service is actually a

1276
00:41:35,625 --> 00:41:37,708
great example of this and it's a great

1277
00:41:37,708 --> 00:41:39,416
example because much of

1278
00:41:39,416 --> 00:41:40,750
what the weather service does

1279
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,041
Is already a public private partnership

1280
00:41:43,666 --> 00:41:45,083
Right in the sense that a lot of the

1281
00:41:45,083 --> 00:41:47,250
weather that you get the delivery of it

1282
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:49,708
is often from the private sector

1283
00:41:49,708 --> 00:41:51,375
It's from businesses. It's from the

1284
00:41:51,375 --> 00:41:52,791
weather channel. It's from your local

1285
00:41:53,291 --> 00:41:55,500
Weather station it's from your you know,

1286
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:57,833
whatever app you use on your phone

1287
00:41:58,166 --> 00:41:58,625
um

1288
00:41:59,083 --> 00:42:01,250
But in order for you to get that forecast

1289
00:42:01,541 --> 00:42:03,250
It's kind of like we need to treat

1290
00:42:03,250 --> 00:42:05,166
weather or think about weather the way we

1291
00:42:05,166 --> 00:42:06,416
think about the post office

1292
00:42:07,208 --> 00:42:09,750
Right the post office basically

1293
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:11,291
guarantees that anyone

1294
00:42:11,291 --> 00:42:12,458
anywhere in the country

1295
00:42:13,041 --> 00:42:14,750
can send and get mail

1296
00:42:15,541 --> 00:42:17,875
That is incredibly empowering for

1297
00:42:17,875 --> 00:42:19,875
everyone universally across the country

1298
00:42:20,666 --> 00:42:23,375
And if you take that universality away if

1299
00:42:23,375 --> 00:42:24,208
you say, you know what?

1300
00:42:24,208 --> 00:42:26,000
We're just gonna you know, we'll collect

1301
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,125
have you we'll let

1302
00:42:27,125 --> 00:42:28,208
the private sector do it

1303
00:42:28,208 --> 00:42:30,250
We'll let the private sector decide when

1304
00:42:30,250 --> 00:42:32,583
and where to collect weather data

1305
00:42:33,041 --> 00:42:35,416
Do you think remote areas and rural areas

1306
00:42:35,416 --> 00:42:37,375
are going to get good service in the way

1307
00:42:37,375 --> 00:42:38,916
that they do if they do?

1308
00:42:38,916 --> 00:42:40,708
They'd have to pay a lot of money

1309
00:42:40,750 --> 00:42:43,500
Exactly people can't afford and now we're

1310
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:44,833
playing with people's lives here.

1311
00:42:44,833 --> 00:42:46,416
Exactly. I think that's the problem

1312
00:42:46,458 --> 00:42:48,875
Yeah, so I very much think of it in in

1313
00:42:48,875 --> 00:42:50,666
those terms where it's like it doesn't

1314
00:42:50,666 --> 00:42:51,875
matter whether you live

1315
00:42:51,875 --> 00:42:53,750
in some remote area in

1316
00:42:53,833 --> 00:42:55,958
Alaska or new york city

1317
00:42:56,583 --> 00:42:59,291
Or rock island, Illinois where I grew up

1318
00:42:59,625 --> 00:43:01,041
You deserve to have a decent weather

1319
00:43:01,041 --> 00:43:02,791
forecast and it's the government's

1320
00:43:02,791 --> 00:43:04,000
responsibility to make sure

1321
00:43:04,333 --> 00:43:06,541
We have the data and the information to

1322
00:43:06,541 --> 00:43:08,333
keep you protected and keep you informed

1323
00:43:09,041 --> 00:43:09,291
Yeah

1324
00:43:09,708 --> 00:43:11,375
Now I guess, you know a lot

1325
00:43:11,375 --> 00:43:12,333
of the stuff that came out

1326
00:43:12,833 --> 00:43:14,500
especially since the trump administration

1327
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:16,750
they're attributing it towards politics

1328
00:43:16,750 --> 00:43:18,583
like this is a political thing that

1329
00:43:18,583 --> 00:43:20,375
happened and we need to

1330
00:43:20,375 --> 00:43:20,666
uh

1331
00:43:20,916 --> 00:43:22,791
Understand that if the politics change

1332
00:43:23,125 --> 00:43:25,041
Maybe things will change and that's I

1333
00:43:25,041 --> 00:43:26,666
think that's the general hope for these

1334
00:43:26,666 --> 00:43:28,583
midterm elections that if you know

1335
00:43:28,583 --> 00:43:30,583
If things flip or things change then

1336
00:43:30,583 --> 00:43:32,375
hopefully things will change, you know in

1337
00:43:32,375 --> 00:43:34,166
especially in this in this situation

1338
00:43:34,583 --> 00:43:37,666
But is it could it be more about whether

1339
00:43:37,666 --> 00:43:39,916
like society values public service

1340
00:43:39,916 --> 00:43:40,791
infrastructure like

1341
00:43:40,791 --> 00:43:41,791
especially for science?

1342
00:43:42,375 --> 00:43:44,333
Like is this is this a sign where like

1343
00:43:44,333 --> 00:43:46,333
the you know, somebody just uses, you

1344
00:43:46,333 --> 00:43:47,291
know, a party comes in it

1345
00:43:47,291 --> 00:43:48,625
could have been democrats

1346
00:43:48,625 --> 00:43:49,916
It could have been republicans. It just

1347
00:43:49,916 --> 00:43:51,500
happened to be republicans this time and

1348
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:52,791
said, hey, you know what?

1349
00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:54,291
We know we can find

1350
00:43:54,291 --> 00:43:56,291
room for for cost savings

1351
00:43:56,666 --> 00:43:59,000
And we're going to go into noah and we're

1352
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,791
going to go into science

1353
00:43:59,791 --> 00:44:01,458
We're going to cut a bunch because it's a

1354
00:44:01,458 --> 00:44:03,541
big department. It's easy to cut

1355
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,041
You know and we'll probably get a lot of

1356
00:44:06,041 --> 00:44:07,458
backing from the public on this

1357
00:44:07,625 --> 00:44:09,541
So is it more of like a political shift

1358
00:44:09,541 --> 00:44:11,583
or is it more of just society just

1359
00:44:11,583 --> 00:44:13,291
doesn't understand how important?

1360
00:44:13,833 --> 00:44:15,333
A service like noah is

1361
00:44:15,333 --> 00:44:17,125
I think it's a mix

1362
00:44:17,125 --> 00:44:20,000
I try to when it comes to noah in

1363
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,958
particular. I try to not think of it in

1364
00:44:21,958 --> 00:44:23,625
partisan terms at all

1365
00:44:24,291 --> 00:44:25,958
And you know, frankly when

1366
00:44:25,958 --> 00:44:27,875
you see what congress has done

1367
00:44:28,333 --> 00:44:30,416
So the bush the trump administration

1368
00:44:30,416 --> 00:44:33,041
proposed their initial budget to really

1369
00:44:33,041 --> 00:44:34,416
just eviscerate noah

1370
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,791
And then congress in the most recent

1371
00:44:36,791 --> 00:44:37,666
appropriations funds

1372
00:44:37,666 --> 00:44:38,791
that we worked very hard

1373
00:44:39,041 --> 00:44:41,500
To push against that and to advocate for

1374
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:43,333
congress to fully fund noah

1375
00:44:43,333 --> 00:44:45,375
And that's basically what congress did

1376
00:44:45,375 --> 00:44:47,750
and that was republicans and democrats

1377
00:44:48,166 --> 00:44:51,083
Okay, so it wasn't a partisan issue and

1378
00:44:51,083 --> 00:44:53,416
you can't argue it as a partisan issue

1379
00:44:53,708 --> 00:44:55,500
At the end of the day, this is about

1380
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:57,291
services that everybody needs

1381
00:44:57,625 --> 00:45:00,000
Everyone relies on everyone depends on

1382
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,833
and so it doesn't actually help

1383
00:45:02,416 --> 00:45:04,125
To tell in telling that

1384
00:45:04,125 --> 00:45:06,666
story to make it a partisan thing

1385
00:45:07,208 --> 00:45:08,916
Uh, so, you know

1386
00:45:09,291 --> 00:45:11,041
We're seeing the trump administration go

1387
00:45:11,041 --> 00:45:12,500
through the process again where they

1388
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:13,708
proposed another budget

1389
00:45:13,875 --> 00:45:15,583
They're cutting the you know operational

1390
00:45:15,583 --> 00:45:18,166
funding for noah by about a third

1391
00:45:18,333 --> 00:45:20,333
I mean it would just completely devastate

1392
00:45:20,333 --> 00:45:21,916
services that people depend on

1393
00:45:22,375 --> 00:45:23,791
And I think it's the sort of thing that

1394
00:45:23,791 --> 00:45:26,541
it may sound good politically in theory

1395
00:45:27,041 --> 00:45:29,375
But once you actually look at the details

1396
00:45:29,375 --> 00:45:32,166
and once you talk about the realities of

1397
00:45:32,166 --> 00:45:33,000
what that would mean

1398
00:45:33,375 --> 00:45:35,458
And what that would take off the table

1399
00:45:35,458 --> 00:45:38,000
for people's constituents in

1400
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,833
congress and for businesses

1401
00:45:40,666 --> 00:45:43,625
Uh, then like all of a sudden you see

1402
00:45:43,625 --> 00:45:45,291
people getting really practical really

1403
00:45:45,291 --> 00:45:47,708
fast in terms of like, okay

1404
00:45:47,791 --> 00:45:49,750
We can't we can't cut that funding

1405
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:50,791
because it's more

1406
00:45:50,791 --> 00:45:52,791
important than than we realized

1407
00:45:53,625 --> 00:45:55,000
And to get that

1408
00:45:55,416 --> 00:45:58,166
Across that message across like not only

1409
00:45:58,166 --> 00:46:01,000
do does ocean conservancy work within the

1410
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,375
walls of government and to

1411
00:46:03,791 --> 00:46:05,250
Build those relationships, but you also

1412
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:06,500
have relationships with your

1413
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:07,625
constituents, right?

1414
00:46:07,625 --> 00:46:09,958
The people who who support you the people

1415
00:46:09,958 --> 00:46:11,791
who follow ocean conservancy

1416
00:46:12,250 --> 00:46:14,208
um and some people who may be affiliates

1417
00:46:14,208 --> 00:46:16,458
of those of those people family members

1418
00:46:16,458 --> 00:46:17,375
and so forth who may

1419
00:46:17,375 --> 00:46:18,625
not follow directly but

1420
00:46:19,041 --> 00:46:19,500
You know

1421
00:46:20,083 --> 00:46:21,833
Maybe need to be convinced that hey noah

1422
00:46:21,833 --> 00:46:23,958
is really crucial and especially in

1423
00:46:23,958 --> 00:46:25,291
certain certain situations

1424
00:46:25,291 --> 00:46:26,500
like we've discussed today

1425
00:46:27,208 --> 00:46:27,541
um

1426
00:46:27,958 --> 00:46:29,166
Has the has the ocean

1427
00:46:29,166 --> 00:46:30,250
conservancy had success?

1428
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,083
in changing people's minds about

1429
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:36,666
The importance of noah who may like to

1430
00:46:36,666 --> 00:46:38,541
for people who may not have thought

1431
00:46:39,208 --> 00:46:40,166
That noah was important

1432
00:46:40,166 --> 00:46:41,125
and agreed with the cuts

1433
00:46:41,125 --> 00:46:43,083
But now we're like, oh wait, we either we

1434
00:46:43,083 --> 00:46:44,958
either realize we're missing this service

1435
00:46:44,958 --> 00:46:46,708
that noah provided because of the cuts

1436
00:46:47,125 --> 00:46:50,333
Or we understand now better because of

1437
00:46:50,333 --> 00:46:51,250
the messaging from

1438
00:46:51,250 --> 00:46:53,041
ocean conservancy and other

1439
00:46:53,583 --> 00:46:54,916
Nonprofits and other people who are

1440
00:46:54,916 --> 00:46:55,750
trying to fight these cuts

1441
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:58,375
Yeah, I mean when we go to capital hill

1442
00:46:58,375 --> 00:47:00,250
when our teams and we have a fantastic

1443
00:47:00,750 --> 00:47:02,583
Team of people here at ocean conservancy

1444
00:47:02,583 --> 00:47:04,333
when we go to capital hill

1445
00:47:04,833 --> 00:47:06,541
um, we are very

1446
00:47:07,125 --> 00:47:09,500
Methodical about making sure that we're

1447
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:11,500
not just going into offices where we know

1448
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:13,125
people are going to agree with us

1449
00:47:13,625 --> 00:47:15,416
Yeah, we go into offices, you know

1450
00:47:15,416 --> 00:47:17,166
The leading edge offices where we think

1451
00:47:17,166 --> 00:47:18,500
they're probably going to disagree with

1452
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:19,791
us, but we've got to tell

1453
00:47:19,791 --> 00:47:21,166
the story anyway, right?

1454
00:47:21,166 --> 00:47:24,416
We've got right and I I tell you what as

1455
00:47:24,416 --> 00:47:25,625
long as we're going in

1456
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:28,083
with a a practical

1457
00:47:28,833 --> 00:47:31,791
Story based like let's talk about your

1458
00:47:31,791 --> 00:47:33,750
district and your constituents and why

1459
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:35,458
this matters for your people

1460
00:47:36,083 --> 00:47:37,208
As long as we're going

1461
00:47:37,208 --> 00:47:38,125
in with that attitude

1462
00:47:38,333 --> 00:47:40,375
It's amazing how often we get surprised

1463
00:47:40,375 --> 00:47:41,833
by people who you know

1464
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:44,250
Theoretically are not people who are

1465
00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:45,625
likely to agree with us

1466
00:47:46,333 --> 00:47:47,500
And so it's it's

1467
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:49,333
about doing that hard work

1468
00:47:49,833 --> 00:47:51,958
Of you know, like I said before a

1469
00:47:51,958 --> 00:47:53,166
thousand small conversations.

1470
00:47:53,166 --> 00:47:55,416
It's about telling the story

1471
00:47:55,791 --> 00:47:57,500
It's about you know, we will always start

1472
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:58,708
from the place of the ocean,

1473
00:47:58,708 --> 00:48:00,375
right when I talk about kansas

1474
00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:03,166
It's about how important ocean sensors in

1475
00:48:03,166 --> 00:48:05,000
the gulf of mexico are to kansas

1476
00:48:05,375 --> 00:48:07,000
Because that you know, there there is a

1477
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,166
nexus though, but it's actually really

1478
00:48:09,166 --> 00:48:11,125
cool that those stories

1479
00:48:11,708 --> 00:48:13,791
happen to align with the

1480
00:48:13,791 --> 00:48:15,041
intersectionality within

1481
00:48:15,041 --> 00:48:16,875
noah, right the fact that

1482
00:48:17,291 --> 00:48:19,541
You know, let's talk about the importance

1483
00:48:19,541 --> 00:48:22,458
of the ocean to kansas and that literally

1484
00:48:22,458 --> 00:48:24,833
demonstrates how you cannot cut

1485
00:48:25,291 --> 00:48:27,000
Any of that that chain

1486
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,166
that ends up with a tornado

1487
00:48:30,166 --> 00:48:30,666
forecast

1488
00:48:31,625 --> 00:48:33,791
In in the heart of the midwest or the

1489
00:48:33,791 --> 00:48:34,791
heart of the great plains

1490
00:48:35,458 --> 00:48:37,416
Because if you ignore the ocean

1491
00:48:38,083 --> 00:48:40,250
You don't have a chance in doing what

1492
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:42,208
you're trying to do, uh in in the middle

1493
00:48:42,208 --> 00:48:43,416
of kansas or oklahoma

1494
00:48:43,416 --> 00:48:45,333
or illinois or wisconsin

1495
00:48:46,291 --> 00:48:48,541
gotcha now, um

1496
00:48:48,708 --> 00:48:50,208
there's a lot of

1497
00:48:50,833 --> 00:48:51,166
fight

1498
00:48:51,958 --> 00:48:53,375
from conservationists

1499
00:48:53,958 --> 00:48:55,333
ocean advocates people

1500
00:48:55,333 --> 00:48:57,375
around the us and around the world

1501
00:48:57,791 --> 00:48:59,625
To bring like, you know to make sure no

1502
00:48:59,625 --> 00:49:00,875
doesn't get cut and also to

1503
00:49:00,875 --> 00:49:01,916
fight a lot of other policy

1504
00:49:01,916 --> 00:49:03,708
There's deep sea mining policy. There's

1505
00:49:04,333 --> 00:49:06,416
Oil and gas exploration policy that a lot

1506
00:49:06,416 --> 00:49:07,250
of people are fighting

1507
00:49:08,333 --> 00:49:09,375
and it can get

1508
00:49:10,166 --> 00:49:10,833
a little

1509
00:49:11,375 --> 00:49:12,000
you know

1510
00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:14,250
uh depressing at times

1511
00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:15,500
because once you know

1512
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:16,958
You think you fight one thing then

1513
00:49:16,958 --> 00:49:19,166
another thing comes out and all these,

1514
00:49:19,166 --> 00:49:21,250
you know rfi's like request for

1515
00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:22,916
information are coming out for

1516
00:49:23,208 --> 00:49:25,500
all these different policies, um

1517
00:49:25,708 --> 00:49:28,708
And you know it it can it can kind of you

1518
00:49:28,708 --> 00:49:30,500
kind of lose the hope at some point

1519
00:49:31,125 --> 00:49:31,416
what

1520
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:34,666
You know, what gives you hope right now?

1521
00:49:35,083 --> 00:49:37,208
Uh, you know about the

1522
00:49:37,208 --> 00:49:39,041
future of ocean policy?

1523
00:49:40,041 --> 00:49:40,083
Oh

1524
00:49:40,916 --> 00:49:42,166
It's such an important question

1525
00:49:42,833 --> 00:49:44,958
And I think that the the thing that

1526
00:49:45,541 --> 00:49:48,916
Is easy to forget is the perspective if

1527
00:49:48,916 --> 00:49:50,958
you only look at a short time period

1528
00:49:51,791 --> 00:49:53,750
But when you look at a broader time

1529
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:55,958
horizon and you look at multiple decades

1530
00:49:56,416 --> 00:49:56,666
Yeah

1531
00:49:57,208 --> 00:50:00,416
Climate change is is getting worse and

1532
00:50:00,416 --> 00:50:01,333
that's a big challenge.

1533
00:50:01,333 --> 00:50:02,708
That's like on the upswing

1534
00:50:03,291 --> 00:50:04,708
You've got you know

1535
00:50:05,291 --> 00:50:06,208
Plastic pollution in

1536
00:50:06,208 --> 00:50:07,958
the ocean is a big problem

1537
00:50:07,958 --> 00:50:09,708
That's a big thing that we need to fight

1538
00:50:09,708 --> 00:50:12,083
and battle and tackle for the future

1539
00:50:12,416 --> 00:50:14,416
But there are also a lot of challenges

1540
00:50:14,416 --> 00:50:16,500
that we've actually gotten our hands

1541
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:18,125
around pretty well, right?

1542
00:50:18,833 --> 00:50:20,666
The sustainability of our fisheries in

1543
00:50:20,666 --> 00:50:21,583
the united states is

1544
00:50:21,583 --> 00:50:23,291
vastly better than it was

1545
00:50:23,875 --> 00:50:25,666
Back in the 70s when the maggots and

1546
00:50:25,666 --> 00:50:27,250
stevens act was originally passed

1547
00:50:27,708 --> 00:50:29,666
You know the state of endangered species

1548
00:50:29,666 --> 00:50:31,083
while there's a lot of species

1549
00:50:31,083 --> 00:50:32,625
recoveries that need to happen

1550
00:50:33,208 --> 00:50:35,166
We have stopped seeing the rate of

1551
00:50:35,166 --> 00:50:37,291
extinction that you know originally was

1552
00:50:37,291 --> 00:50:38,916
happening or and was

1553
00:50:38,916 --> 00:50:40,916
anticipated to happen

1554
00:50:41,458 --> 00:50:43,125
You know back in the 70s and so

1555
00:50:43,625 --> 00:50:45,916
Much less talk about water quality and

1556
00:50:45,916 --> 00:50:47,750
air pollution and those sorts of things

1557
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:49,000
again. There are way

1558
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,000
more challenges. I mean

1559
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:52,583
Water pollution is fascinating that we've

1560
00:50:52,583 --> 00:50:53,666
come so far and yet we

1561
00:50:53,666 --> 00:50:55,333
still have so much further to go

1562
00:50:55,875 --> 00:50:56,083
right

1563
00:50:57,208 --> 00:50:59,708
But I think the the thing that gives me

1564
00:50:59,708 --> 00:51:01,333
hope is the fact that we have made

1565
00:51:01,333 --> 00:51:03,500
progress in so many areas

1566
00:51:03,958 --> 00:51:06,000
Yeah, the areas where I think

1567
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,791
we have a lot more work to do

1568
00:51:08,166 --> 00:51:10,166
You know, it can feel daunting, but

1569
00:51:10,166 --> 00:51:12,625
that's where innovation happens, right?

1570
00:51:12,625 --> 00:51:14,041
Yeah, and that's where you roll up your

1571
00:51:14,041 --> 00:51:16,416
sleeves and you do your work and you call

1572
00:51:16,416 --> 00:51:17,708
your member of congress because that's

1573
00:51:17,708 --> 00:51:18,541
what we all need to do

1574
00:51:18,583 --> 00:51:19,333
Yeah

1575
00:51:20,166 --> 00:51:21,833
But at the end of the day, we can't do

1576
00:51:21,833 --> 00:51:24,583
any of this if we don't have the basic

1577
00:51:24,583 --> 00:51:26,583
federal infrastructure in place

1578
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,416
And the the primary ocean agency that is

1579
00:51:30,416 --> 00:51:32,708
intact that has the best scientists in

1580
00:51:32,708 --> 00:51:33,375
the world and the

1581
00:51:33,375 --> 00:51:34,541
best experts in the world

1582
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:35,958
If we don't have that

1583
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:39,458
It's a much harder place to start from so

1584
00:51:39,458 --> 00:51:41,541
we've got to keep our basically our core

1585
00:51:41,541 --> 00:51:42,833
infrastructure in place

1586
00:51:43,291 --> 00:51:45,125
Yeah, and we can tackle these problems.

1587
00:51:45,125 --> 00:51:46,041
I'm not saying we're

1588
00:51:46,041 --> 00:51:46,708
going to win everything

1589
00:51:47,375 --> 00:51:50,416
Right in the next 10 years, but but you

1590
00:51:50,416 --> 00:51:51,916
know, we've demonstrated time and time

1591
00:51:51,916 --> 00:51:52,750
again that we can find

1592
00:51:52,750 --> 00:51:54,916
solutions and we can make progress

1593
00:51:55,875 --> 00:51:57,041
You you hit on a really

1594
00:51:57,041 --> 00:51:59,125
interesting point we've come so far

1595
00:52:00,125 --> 00:52:02,125
Right in terms of like I mean at one

1596
00:52:02,125 --> 00:52:03,750
point lake gary set itself

1597
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:05,958
on fire. It was so polluted

1598
00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:08,708
You know having the the clean water act

1599
00:52:08,708 --> 00:52:10,375
the clean air act on the

1600
00:52:10,375 --> 00:52:12,041
canning inside having similar acts

1601
00:52:12,416 --> 00:52:14,125
That allowed us to have safe drinking

1602
00:52:14,125 --> 00:52:15,750
water that allowed us to have all these

1603
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:17,541
Different things that we

1604
00:52:17,541 --> 00:52:19,791
don't even know about most of us

1605
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,291
That are already enacted and have helped

1606
00:52:22,291 --> 00:52:24,083
us serve for a better environment

1607
00:52:24,333 --> 00:52:25,750
And I think it's interesting we hear

1608
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:26,500
about a lot of stuff

1609
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:27,416
that we still need to do

1610
00:52:27,541 --> 00:52:28,708
You know, we hear a lot of endangered

1611
00:52:28,708 --> 00:52:30,541
species still need help and this and that

1612
00:52:30,916 --> 00:52:33,416
But like you said because these acts have

1613
00:52:33,416 --> 00:52:35,083
been passed we're seeing

1614
00:52:35,083 --> 00:52:36,500
less of extinction, right?

1615
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,833
Do you think that like as you know ocean

1616
00:52:38,833 --> 00:52:40,375
advocates ourselves like whether it's

1617
00:52:40,375 --> 00:52:41,250
ocean conservancy

1618
00:52:41,250 --> 00:52:42,666
whether it's us as individuals

1619
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:43,833
We have the

1620
00:52:43,833 --> 00:52:46,041
responsibility to kind of remind people

1621
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:48,583
Of how good some of these acts do and do

1622
00:52:48,583 --> 00:52:50,541
you think like we may have?

1623
00:52:51,541 --> 00:52:52,750
I don't want to use the word failed

1624
00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:54,333
But maybe miss the

1625
00:52:54,333 --> 00:52:55,833
mark in reminding people

1626
00:52:56,375 --> 00:52:58,333
That these are things that I got on a

1627
00:52:58,333 --> 00:53:00,250
regular basis that these are things that

1628
00:53:00,916 --> 00:53:03,458
Have helped and these and and and having

1629
00:53:03,458 --> 00:53:06,041
things like specific departments

1630
00:53:06,583 --> 00:53:09,000
Within noah have helped us maintain

1631
00:53:10,041 --> 00:53:12,000
The level that we have now even though

1632
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,458
there's improvements to be made

1633
00:53:14,041 --> 00:53:15,375
Yeah, I mean, I think we need to

1634
00:53:15,375 --> 00:53:17,208
constantly be telling those stories

1635
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:19,083
and in in some respects

1636
00:53:19,625 --> 00:53:21,000
moments like right now

1637
00:53:21,625 --> 00:53:23,166
When things seem to be

1638
00:53:23,166 --> 00:53:24,875
under fire and under threat

1639
00:53:26,291 --> 00:53:28,083
People are more open to hearing those

1640
00:53:28,083 --> 00:53:30,625
stories now than they are when everything

1641
00:53:30,625 --> 00:53:32,958
is just fine and not really under

1642
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:34,333
kind of the

1643
00:53:34,541 --> 00:53:35,458
You know the political

1644
00:53:35,458 --> 00:53:37,500
threat that uh that it is today

1645
00:53:38,041 --> 00:53:39,791
and so in some ways, you know

1646
00:53:40,875 --> 00:53:43,333
Like right now is a wonderful moment to

1647
00:53:43,333 --> 00:53:45,666
be able to tell the story of noah and how

1648
00:53:45,666 --> 00:53:47,500
important noah is in your life

1649
00:53:48,541 --> 00:53:50,541
Yeah, because it is under threat and we

1650
00:53:50,541 --> 00:53:52,125
are at risk of losing things

1651
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:53,666
And my goodness

1652
00:53:53,666 --> 00:53:55,291
You need to call your member of congress

1653
00:53:55,291 --> 00:53:57,041
and let your member of congress know

1654
00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:59,666
That you don't want noah to go away and

1655
00:53:59,666 --> 00:54:01,375
that noah needs to be fully funded

1656
00:54:02,125 --> 00:54:03,458
but the um

1657
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,208
The storytelling is a constant exercise.

1658
00:54:07,208 --> 00:54:07,833
It will never be

1659
00:54:07,833 --> 00:54:09,291
done. We'll never be done

1660
00:54:09,833 --> 00:54:11,958
For sure. Um, but I think as long as

1661
00:54:11,958 --> 00:54:14,125
we're driven by curiosity

1662
00:54:14,916 --> 00:54:17,666
In that storytelling, I mean there's

1663
00:54:17,666 --> 00:54:19,416
nothing better than being curious and

1664
00:54:19,416 --> 00:54:21,083
there's nothing better be to be curious

1665
00:54:21,083 --> 00:54:22,583
about than the ocean

1666
00:54:23,625 --> 00:54:25,500
Absolutely. I was gonna ask you if you

1667
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:26,083
could leave our

1668
00:54:26,083 --> 00:54:27,291
listeners with one message

1669
00:54:27,791 --> 00:54:29,958
About no, I feel like that's that's it

1670
00:54:30,125 --> 00:54:33,000
I mean, you know, I we you and I know a

1671
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,625
number of people who work for noah

1672
00:54:35,333 --> 00:54:36,166
They're driven by

1673
00:54:36,166 --> 00:54:37,875
curiosity. They're driven by

1674
00:54:38,375 --> 00:54:40,583
This this mission to help

1675
00:54:41,083 --> 00:54:42,833
Uh the agencies that they work for

1676
00:54:42,833 --> 00:54:44,875
protect the ocean protect the people

1677
00:54:45,541 --> 00:54:47,875
In the us and around the world

1678
00:54:48,125 --> 00:54:50,416
Uh, because we they do have programs that

1679
00:54:50,416 --> 00:54:51,791
help us around the world

1680
00:54:51,791 --> 00:54:53,625
You know not only from like looking at

1681
00:54:53,625 --> 00:54:55,750
sharks and and looking at different fish

1682
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:56,833
species to making sure

1683
00:54:56,833 --> 00:54:58,041
that people have seafood

1684
00:54:58,750 --> 00:55:00,708
Uh, not only in the us but also around

1685
00:55:00,708 --> 00:55:02,708
the world, you know, but also look the

1686
00:55:02,708 --> 00:55:04,208
the the meteorological

1687
00:55:04,208 --> 00:55:05,708
services that they provide

1688
00:55:06,125 --> 00:55:07,333
tsunami warning

1689
00:55:08,250 --> 00:55:09,375
Technology and and and

1690
00:55:09,375 --> 00:55:11,125
services is just huge

1691
00:55:11,416 --> 00:55:13,416
Uh, no, those are just a couple of like

1692
00:55:13,416 --> 00:55:14,458
less than a handful of

1693
00:55:14,458 --> 00:55:15,583
the things that they can do

1694
00:55:16,041 --> 00:55:16,916
So I think it's really

1695
00:55:16,916 --> 00:55:18,083
important now, you know

1696
00:55:18,083 --> 00:55:19,916
One thing that I always say too is as you

1697
00:55:19,916 --> 00:55:21,083
as you mentioned calling your

1698
00:55:21,083 --> 00:55:23,208
congressperson to say hey, you know

1699
00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:25,208
We need to you know, remind them of their

1700
00:55:25,208 --> 00:55:27,541
duties to protect the citizens and and

1701
00:55:27,541 --> 00:55:28,875
and protect the ocean

1702
00:55:29,416 --> 00:55:30,458
and if they don't listen

1703
00:55:30,916 --> 00:55:33,416
there's some midterms coming up and

1704
00:55:33,416 --> 00:55:34,875
You know if if somebody's

1705
00:55:34,875 --> 00:55:36,083
not listening to what you want

1706
00:55:36,458 --> 00:55:38,000
You have the right to to vote for

1707
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,000
somebody who will listen

1708
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,333
to to what you want. So

1709
00:55:41,958 --> 00:55:43,875
You know feel free to to exercise your

1710
00:55:43,875 --> 00:55:45,500
right to do that, you know, and I think

1711
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:47,375
that's that's a an important message

1712
00:55:47,375 --> 00:55:48,291
especially coming up

1713
00:55:49,166 --> 00:55:50,833
And and the way the things have gone and

1714
00:55:50,833 --> 00:55:52,083
it hasn't gone in the

1715
00:55:52,083 --> 00:55:52,875
way of the environment

1716
00:55:52,916 --> 00:55:53,875
So if you want things to

1717
00:55:53,875 --> 00:55:55,875
change this is your time to change

1718
00:55:55,875 --> 00:55:57,250
It's not sitting on the couch and be like

1719
00:55:57,250 --> 00:55:58,708
no my my vote doesn't

1720
00:55:58,708 --> 00:55:59,833
matter. It does matter

1721
00:56:00,375 --> 00:56:01,916
And I think it's really important to to

1722
00:56:01,916 --> 00:56:03,458
get out and vote so that people

1723
00:56:03,958 --> 00:56:04,916
listen because you know,

1724
00:56:04,916 --> 00:56:06,916
one thing i've seen is uh,

1725
00:56:07,041 --> 00:56:10,041
Is work that people put in to make sure

1726
00:56:10,041 --> 00:56:12,250
that people comment, you know against

1727
00:56:12,250 --> 00:56:14,916
these these deep sea mining rfi's and

1728
00:56:14,916 --> 00:56:17,041
uh during the public comment period as

1729
00:56:17,041 --> 00:56:19,833
well as the oil and gas exploration and

1730
00:56:19,833 --> 00:56:21,916
although some many of them have been

1731
00:56:21,916 --> 00:56:23,625
ignored or will be ignored by this

1732
00:56:23,625 --> 00:56:24,458
current administration

1733
00:56:25,083 --> 00:56:27,250
If you vote for the right people

1734
00:56:27,250 --> 00:56:29,791
Afterwards that that could switch in the

1735
00:56:29,791 --> 00:56:31,041
midterms, right and

1736
00:56:31,041 --> 00:56:31,958
they could look at that

1737
00:56:32,041 --> 00:56:33,833
Like you're the new congresspeople can

1738
00:56:33,833 --> 00:56:35,041
come in and look at that and be like

1739
00:56:35,041 --> 00:56:36,041
well, hold on a second

1740
00:56:36,583 --> 00:56:38,083
People don't want this and we work for

1741
00:56:38,083 --> 00:56:38,958
the people. So hopefully

1742
00:56:38,958 --> 00:56:40,250
that that can get changed. So

1743
00:56:40,833 --> 00:56:42,500
um, that's what i'll leave but if you

1744
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:44,291
want to leave any last words that you

1745
00:56:44,291 --> 00:56:46,416
want to give give my audience this but

1746
00:56:46,416 --> 00:56:47,000
We have a lot of

1747
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,166
americans in the audience

1748
00:56:48,750 --> 00:56:51,375
And people who love noah in this audience

1749
00:56:51,375 --> 00:56:54,083
who are americans and and beyond so what

1750
00:56:54,083 --> 00:56:54,791
would be the last

1751
00:56:54,791 --> 00:56:55,791
thing you'd like to say?

1752
00:56:56,041 --> 00:56:57,291
Uh for for this time because

1753
00:56:57,291 --> 00:56:58,541
we'd love to have you back on

1754
00:56:58,791 --> 00:57:00,541
No, just plus one to everything that you

1755
00:57:00,541 --> 00:57:03,416
just said and it's it's why calling

1756
00:57:03,416 --> 00:57:05,333
members of congress is so important

1757
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:07,000
I think a lot of people think that it

1758
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,333
doesn't matter. It really does as someone

1759
00:57:09,333 --> 00:57:10,916
who's worked in a congressional office

1760
00:57:11,416 --> 00:57:13,583
You've got a call members of congress

1761
00:57:13,583 --> 00:57:15,291
want to know where their constituents are

1762
00:57:15,291 --> 00:57:17,041
at and if there's something burning

1763
00:57:17,541 --> 00:57:19,541
That you care deeply about that. You

1764
00:57:19,541 --> 00:57:21,000
don't like the way things are going

1765
00:57:21,625 --> 00:57:23,541
Give them an earful. That's what they're

1766
00:57:23,541 --> 00:57:25,708
there for and yeah, um, you

1767
00:57:25,708 --> 00:57:27,208
know, then they can go into

1768
00:57:27,625 --> 00:57:30,458
Uh any election season at least they know

1769
00:57:30,458 --> 00:57:32,833
what uh, what what matters to you?

1770
00:57:33,625 --> 00:57:36,666
Yeah, absolutely. Jeff. This has been uh,

1771
00:57:36,666 --> 00:57:37,625
so much fun to have you on

1772
00:57:37,625 --> 00:57:39,000
I thank you for the work that you and

1773
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:39,875
your colleagues have done

1774
00:57:39,875 --> 00:57:41,333
over at ocean conservancy

1775
00:57:41,875 --> 00:57:43,125
We're a big fan of you here at the

1776
00:57:43,125 --> 00:57:45,416
podcast of of of of the

1777
00:57:45,416 --> 00:57:46,833
organization of the work

1778
00:57:46,833 --> 00:57:50,500
And and coming on and sharing why we we

1779
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,000
need noah why we should care about noah

1780
00:57:53,333 --> 00:57:54,958
So we thank you so much. We'll get this

1781
00:57:54,958 --> 00:57:56,541
message out as much as possible

1782
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,708
We'd love to have you back on talk more

1783
00:57:58,708 --> 00:58:00,708
about your work at ocean conservancy and

1784
00:58:00,708 --> 00:58:02,416
hopefully next time you're back on

1785
00:58:02,458 --> 00:58:04,583
We'll see a bit of a change and and um

1786
00:58:04,583 --> 00:58:05,541
and some changes and some

1787
00:58:05,541 --> 00:58:07,000
policies. Yeah, that's great

1788
00:58:07,625 --> 00:58:09,791
Yeah, thank thank you so much. Appreciate

1789
00:58:09,791 --> 00:58:11,375
it. Thank you. Thank you. Jeff for

1790
00:58:11,375 --> 00:58:13,000
joining us on today's episode of the how

1791
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:13,541
to protect the ocean

1792
00:58:13,541 --> 00:58:15,208
Podcast it was great to have this

1793
00:58:15,208 --> 00:58:16,958
conversation. Look noah is

1794
00:58:16,958 --> 00:58:18,166
one of those institutions

1795
00:58:18,458 --> 00:58:20,458
Many people never even think about until

1796
00:58:20,458 --> 00:58:21,458
something goes wrong

1797
00:58:21,875 --> 00:58:23,750
But as you heard today from jeff it

1798
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:25,000
touches your daily life in

1799
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,000
more ways than most of us realize

1800
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:29,708
From storm warnings and safer seafood to

1801
00:58:29,708 --> 00:58:32,166
wildlife protection and ocean discovery

1802
00:58:32,458 --> 00:58:34,416
So I want to say a big thank you to jeff

1803
00:58:34,416 --> 00:58:36,500
waters for joining us on today and

1804
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:37,750
helping us make sense

1805
00:58:37,958 --> 00:58:39,875
Of what is at stake with these funding

1806
00:58:39,875 --> 00:58:42,125
cuts and if this episode helped you

1807
00:58:42,125 --> 00:58:44,083
better understand why noah matters

1808
00:58:44,291 --> 00:58:46,208
Share it with someone who should hear it

1809
00:58:46,208 --> 00:58:47,583
Just all you have to do is just share the

1810
00:58:47,583 --> 00:58:48,333
link with whatever

1811
00:58:48,333 --> 00:58:49,625
podcast app you're listening to

1812
00:58:49,708 --> 00:58:50,791
It's easy for them to

1813
00:58:50,791 --> 00:58:52,875
pick it up and listen to it

1814
00:58:52,875 --> 00:58:54,583
And of course if you are new to the

1815
00:58:54,583 --> 00:58:55,916
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1816
00:58:55,916 --> 00:58:56,916
followed the show before

1817
00:58:57,166 --> 00:58:58,791
Click that follow button right now in

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00:58:58,791 --> 00:59:00,166
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00:59:00,166 --> 00:59:01,708
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00:59:02,041 --> 00:59:04,375
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1821
00:59:04,375 --> 00:59:05,500
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1822
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:07,333
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1823
00:59:07,625 --> 00:59:09,250
Update. I want to thank you so much for

1824
00:59:09,250 --> 00:59:10,958
joining me on today's episode of the how

1825
00:59:10,958 --> 00:59:12,041
to protect the ocean podcast

1826
00:59:12,458 --> 00:59:14,000
I'm your host. Andrew and have a great

1827
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:14,750
day. We'll talk to you next

1828
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:15,916
time and happy conservation