What You Think About Cold Water Oceans Is Probably Wrong

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When we think about the

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ocean, we think about the tropics.

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We think about the warm water and

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snorkeling or diving

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and looking at beautiful

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sea turtles and coral reefs

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and all that wonderful stuff.

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And that's what we think.

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That's what we picture when we picture

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about going to the

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ocean, we go in the tropics.

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What if I told you there's

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another part of the ocean,

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a major part of the

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ocean that we often ignore,

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but it is just as

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beautiful and some can argue,

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if not more beautiful than the tropics.

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And that is cold water

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systems or temperate water.

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And today we're going to be

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talking to a friend of mine,

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a colleague of mine that I

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work at at Pisces oceans,

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Kirstie Burnett, who is a

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senior ocean project consultant,

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who's here to talk about her

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love for cold water oceans.

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We're going to talk about some of the

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species that she's seen.

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We're going to talk some

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fun stuff about the mola mola,

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the ocean sunfish.

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And we're going to

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talk about blue sharks.

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And we're going to talk

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about a lot of different things

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in the ocean that she loves.

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And the fact that she lives just on the

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water in Nova Scotia.

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And you know, this is an

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episode that I've been wanting

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to do for a while, because oftentimes we

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deal with some heavy topics.

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We deal with some

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major issues in the ocean.

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And a lot of times we forget

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to celebrate what we still have.

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And that I think allows us to be inspired

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to protect more of what we need to do

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when we have to come up and

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come across these heavy issues

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and some of these

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heavy top heavier topics.

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So this is going to be a fun episode with

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Kirstie Burnett here on

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How to Protect the Ocean podcast, where

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you get all your weekday ocean use update

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Monday to Friday, Monday to Thursday,

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usually solo episodes.

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Friday is an interview and we've been

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talking about cold water all week.

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And this is something that we need to

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start learning more about.

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You know, these cold water productive

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systems where you get North Atlantic

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right whales, leatherback sea turtles,

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the ocean sunfish called mola mola,

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as well as blue sharks, some of the

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beautiful species that are part of this

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part of the ocean.

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And I think it's something

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that we need to celebrate.

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So with that said, here is the interview

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with Kirstie Burnett

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on this episode of the

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How to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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Enjoy and I will talk to you after.

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Hey, Kirstie.

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Welcome to the How to

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Protect the Ocean podcast.

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Are you ready to talk about the ocean in

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cold water this time?

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Always, always.

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I'm most familiar with

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the cold water ocean.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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Look, you know, this is kind of this is

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going to be a fun episode

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because it's almost oceans day.

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It'll be happy.

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And when this publishes, it'll be like

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three or four days off of oceans day,

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you know, and this is a time like a lot

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of the times like here at the how to

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protect the ocean pockets, I would say

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every day is about oceans because we

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talk about the ocean every day.

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So every day is oceans

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day, but it's really special.

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I really got to know like and respect

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oceans day for what it is because it's

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the day where people are thinking about

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the ocean on a regular basis,

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like throughout the day,

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because there's a lot of programs,

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people are doing a lot of things.

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And so this year, what we wanted to do is

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just kind of like celebrate the ocean and

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celebrate parts of the ocean that doesn't

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often get the full

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respect from like a wider

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audience than the people who live in and

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around these cold water environments.

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And so that's what

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we're going to do today.

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And we're going to get to know you,

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Kristy, and we're going

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to get to know cold water

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environments and why you love them so

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much, why I love them so much.

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But maybe why some people just may not

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want to explore them.

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We kind of know why the answer probably

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right off the top just in the name.

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But you know, for those who aren't and

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those who maybe want to help out a little

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bit and be able to show us what we're

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what people are missing.

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I think it's a great,

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great episode to do that.

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So we're going to talk about science,

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ecology, environment.

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It's going to be a lot of fun.

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But before we get into all that stuff,

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Kristy, why don't you just let us know

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who you are and what you do?

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Sure. Thanks, Andrew.

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So my name is Kristy.

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I actually grew up here sitting in Nova

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Scotia on the east coast of Canada.

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Specifically, I grew up born and raised

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on the eastern shore of Nova Scotia.

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So lucky and lucky enough on the ocean.

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And I have such fond memories of my

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parents dragging my

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brother and I to the beach.

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I guess it was probably less dragging and

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more like us bugging them to take us.

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But yeah, you know, building sandcastles,

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playing in the waves, collecting

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jellyfish and buckets to show my I guess

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they pretended to be

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enthusiastic about the jellyfish.

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But yeah, my parents.

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Yeah, so happy to be here and happy to

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talk about my experiences.

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I love it. You know, it's interesting.

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I'm always surprised by this, but a lot

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of people who become marine biologists

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like myself don't necessarily grow up on

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the shores of eastern Canada, western

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Canada, the Arctic or or what have you.

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when somebody does and say, oh, because I

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always ask people like, well, what made

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you want to become a marine biologist?

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But you kind of said it right there, I

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assume, is being like, look, I've been,

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you know, I've been taking jellyfish and

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buckets and showing my parents and and

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things like that, which

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I think is a lot of fun.

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But is there a particular time in your

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childhood, you know, whether it be

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elementary school, you know, whether it

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be high school or even university where

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you really like it really kind of hits

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you like, no, no, like I want to be I

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want to be a marine scientist here.

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Yeah. So.

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So thinking back, I think I always knew

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or as long as I can remember anyway, I

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always knew that I wanted

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to be a marine biologist.

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My parents still have Crayola drawings

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from me as a child where I'm just drawing

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these ocean ecosystems with sharks and

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kelp and everything like that.

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But the moment that I specifically

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remember being like, you know what, I can

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have a career in this and I want to have

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a career in this because I want to have

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an impact was actually watching the

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documentary Sharkwater by Rob Stewart.

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moment in my life because he took these

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incredibly misunderstood animals in

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particular at that time

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when the film was coming out.

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And created this incredible story about

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sharks and their importance and their

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roles in the ecosystem, the diversity of

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sharks in the ecosystem.

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And it was just it was unlike Shark Week,

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which is a little bit, you know, jaws

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focused and terminology

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like monster or man eater.

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animal for what it is.

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It's part of the ecosystem.

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They're not monsters.

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They are important species to help

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regulate our oceans and

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keep our oceans healthy.

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So I think seeing a robbed passion during

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that documentary, but also seeing like I

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could be doing that type of work that

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really, really inspired me.

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that was part of that documentary for a

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small clip of Professor Boris Worm at

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Dalhousie University.

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Legendary.

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Legendary.

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And I in my head and I was a teenager, I

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was like, well, I guess I have to go to

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Dalhousie because I have

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to study under Boris Worm.

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really solidified my career path.

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University for my undergrad.

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professor for Dalhousie's first ever

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conservation of sharks,

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skates and raised biology course.

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So that was so cool and such a life

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changing moment for me.

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That was in 2013.

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So, you know, we're

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over a decade ago now.

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I was a student in that class since then.

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I have been involved with the course as a

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teaching assistant, as a co-instructor.

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I'm still involved with the course.

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I help planning that the tagging

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expeditions and the other types of

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expeditions that the students get to go

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out on to see some of the blue sharks

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that we get off Nova Scotia here.

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circle how that all kind

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of came to be, to be honest.

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Yeah. And then I mean, I went on to do a

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master's degree as well.

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But I didn't stay in Nova Scotia.

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So I ended up going to Germany to do my

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master's degree, which is

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a funny story in itself.

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I'm not sure if it's relevant to talk

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about now, but I absolutely.

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Okay, sure.

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Sure. So, um, let's take a step back.

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So I graduated from my bachelor's degree

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and didn't know what I

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wanted to do with my life.

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So decided I'm going to go work as a dive

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master in the Caribbean for a little bit

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and just be with the be underwater until

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I figure things out.

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I had an aunt who

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lived on the island of St.

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Martin. So I was easily

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able to pack up, move there,

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stay with her and get my dive master

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certification and work as a

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dive master in St. Martin.

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So I was there for, you

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know, just over a year.

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And during that time while on the island,

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they happened to have a shark conference.

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And at that shark conference was Boris

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Worm, who had been a professor of mine a

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couple of years back.

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And I thought to myself, this is so

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funny, but this also has to be fate.

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And so I took one of my days off and I

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got one day off a week, found somebody

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with a boat and knew that folks from that

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conference were going to be taken out to

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go snorkeling on some of the protected

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reefs in St. Martin.

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Right.

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I was like, take me out to where they're

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snorkeling, which they did.

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They moored up the boat at the closest

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mooring and I jumped off that boat and

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swam over to their

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boat, popped up on the boat.

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It's just like, hey, Boris, I don't know

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if you remember me, but I was a student

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of yours two years ago.

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And so we've been friends ever since.

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I think he thought that was the most

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hilarious thing ever and very random.

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I don't think he'll ever forget, you

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know, having a former student like pop up

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in in like the waters of St. Martin.

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Like, hey, Boris, I'm not

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sure if you remember me.

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I don't know what I was thinking in my

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head, but I was like, I was still

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figuring things out for myself and knew I

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wasn't going to be a dive master forever

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and I couldn't stay

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in St. Martin forever.

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So I was like, you know, this is fate.

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I have to give this a try.

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And so that worked in my favor when I

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ended up moving back to Nova Scotia.

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I, of course, reached

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out to Boris right away.

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And he was like, I know exactly the right

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person for you to start working with.

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And his name is Dr. Manuel DeRoy and he

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has a project in Cabo Verde, West Africa,

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and looking to tag sharks and rays there.

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And he's like, I

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don't think you in touch.

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He's looking for a research assistant.

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I'm like, this is perfect.

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So happy this all worked out.

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And I fast forward a little bit that Dr.

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Manuel DeRoy is now my husband.

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And he's German, which is how I ended up

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in Germany to do my master's degree

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because I really, you know what?

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He did his PhD in Canada.

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Let's go to Germany for a bit and see

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what it's like living there so

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I can get my master's degree.

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And yeah, so I ended up doing that.

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We moved there in September of 2019 and I

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am sure everybody on the whole planet

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remembers what happened early in 2020.

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With the cold pandemic.

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Yeah.

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So my master's degree

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wasn't what I expected.

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It was a lot of working

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from behind a computer.

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I didn't get to do any of my planned

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field excursions or anything like that.

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However, I was very fortunate to have

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connections in places like Cape Verde

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because that meant I could go, I could

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get samples from different shark and ray

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species sent to

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Germany to do my research.

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So what I ended up doing

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was a genomics project.

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I used my connections to get some

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samples, so little tiny fin clips from

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the black chin guitar fish.

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If you don't know what this animal is,

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it's you got to look it up.

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It's the coolest looking animal ever.

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It's a cross between a shark

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and a ray is what it looks like.

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Big triangular shaped nose.

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And they have some of the largest like

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fin to body size ratio.

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So they're really, really highly targeted

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in the shark fin trade

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market because of that.

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And because they live so close to shore,

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their populations are

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just being decimated.

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So these giant guitar fishes are some of

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the most endangered, critically

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endangered marine animals on the planet.

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So what I did was take the fin clips that

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our partners in Cabo Verde

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and myself had collected.

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I had them sent to a sequencing lab in

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Germany, got that sequencing information.

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And for my master's degree, I assembled

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the first ever whole genome

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for the black chin guitar fish,

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which essentially is like taking a bunch

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of DNA puzzle pieces and putting it

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together in a logical order.

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So now nobody else has

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to do that ever again.

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They now have the blueprint

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for the black chin guitar fish.

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And they can use that for monitoring

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things and checking things like

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population health of different

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populations, individual populations.

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People are starting to age species using

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their genomes, which is very interesting.

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Oh, cool.

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So just having that is a very important

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baseline tool for conservation.

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So that's what I did for my master's.

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That's very cool.

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It didn't end up

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falling in love with Germany.

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I'm going to be honest, but I think that

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largely the pandemic is to blame.

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So we ended up coming back.

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Of course, can't get out can't meet

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people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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And you came back to Nova Scotia where

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where you are now. We work together,

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which is which is a lot of fun.

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So we've been like since since April,

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which is you've been here. I think you've

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been at Pisces for a year.

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Just yeah. Yeah, just over a year now.

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I've been working as an

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ocean project consultant.

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And so the academia world, it's it's

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great. It's important, but

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Pisces oceans really drew me in.

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Yeah, because it was taking, you know,

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research that is being done

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by academics or by industry,

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by NGOs and really helping to communicate

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it in a way that resonates with funders,

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with policymakers, like we can be the

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partners helping to manage this important

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work while the researchers are, you know,

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behind the screens doing data analyses,

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doing the data

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collection out in the field.

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It really felt like I could have more of

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an impact helping others drive their

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research forward than

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doing my own research.

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So I was so excited to be able to join

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Pisces oceans. And I've

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just loved my time here so far.

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And I think if I'm not mistaken, Andrew,

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you feel the exact same way.

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100 percent, 100 percent to be able to

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help. The one thing that I love about,

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you know, for me, I'm

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on the communication side

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where we both kind of overlap in a lot of

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the areas that we that we work on.

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But as we've discussed in the past, you

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know, it's nice to be able to scale that

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effort where it's not just you just doing

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one project that will help something

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maybe who knows may forge some

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legislation through or help some policy.

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But we're also working on like a number

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of different projects, you know, in the

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nonprofit world, in the for profit world,

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indigenous world and academic world.

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And we're being able to have a I feel

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like a significant positive impact on

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each one of those

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projects to move that forward.

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So at the end of the day, we can be like,

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oh, hey, like we've done all this great

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stuff, which is which is a lot of fun,

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which, you know, for us, you know,

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especially I've been in this this game

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for quite some time

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for for over 25 years.

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And it's nice to be able to see things

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progress and to be a part of that on a

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variety of different different ways,

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which is which is a lot of fun.

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But I want to go back. I feel like

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there's this like theme for you in terms

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of not only just looking at like the

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science or the policy, the thing that

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really caught my ear was when you

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mentioned shark water, you know, and

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you're looking at at shark water and

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you're saying, look, and it's true.

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Like when I think of shark water, I think

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of an advocacy film, right? It's it ends

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up being a documentary that celebrates

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sharks and we'll come

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to that in a second.

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But also at the end, really, I feel like

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open the eyes to a lot more people on the

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shark fin trade and how prevalent it was

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throughout the world, not just in Costa

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Rica, where a lot of this was shot and

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where they discovered the roofs of shark

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fins, but also like where it

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goes and all that kind of stuff.

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And it's it's it was kind of it was

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before blackfish, but it kind of did what

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blackfish did for the captive marine

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animals industry, which is kind of, you

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know, took the blinders off a lot of

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people and really opened it up, which is

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which was kind of cool.

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But when you mentioned the film, it

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wasn't just about shark fins actually

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never mentioned anything about shark fins

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is more about what the movie started out

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to be was a movie to celebrate sharks and

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the diversity of

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species that are out there.

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Right. Because we think, you know, a lot

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of times when I if I ask anybody, name me

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a shark, it's either a white shark, a

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tiger shark, a bull shark, hammerhead

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shark, maybe thresher shark, you know,

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like the kind of hitting those iconic

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species, which are

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fascinating in their own right.

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But you never hear of a guitar fish, a

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soft, you know, sawtooth, you know, you

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never hear of all those different types

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of sharks as as a buddy of mine and my

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co-host on Beyond Jaws, Dave Ebert calls

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the the the rays, the shark rays like

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like he calls either shark rays or a flat

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shark, you know, just to kind of the

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marketing, you know, to get people in or,

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you know, or even like chimeras.

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You know, a lot of people don't know that

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chimeras are part of the shark family or

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even skates and rays are

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part of the Lassmo Branks.

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And so I think it's really interesting

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hearing that from your perspective of

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like this movie was

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about the beauty of sharks.

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And if I asked anybody else about shark

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water, it's a movie about shark fins.

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And I think that goes to say why, why you

546
00:19:06,541 --> 00:19:08,791
got into this and sort of your history of

547
00:19:08,791 --> 00:19:10,250
like growing up around the ocean and

548
00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:13,125
enjoying species, enjoying sharks, but

549
00:19:13,125 --> 00:19:15,375
also enjoying like jellyfish and the fish

550
00:19:15,375 --> 00:19:16,166
and the invertebrates.

551
00:19:16,250 --> 00:19:19,291
I'm sure you saw in the tide pools and in

552
00:19:19,291 --> 00:19:21,125
your snorkeling and diving experience.

553
00:19:21,708 --> 00:19:23,166
What is it about just for that marine

554
00:19:23,166 --> 00:19:25,958
environment that you

555
00:19:25,958 --> 00:19:27,375
that you love so much?

556
00:19:27,375 --> 00:19:29,166
Because I know you are worth all talk

557
00:19:29,166 --> 00:19:30,958
about in a second. You love wildlife in

558
00:19:30,958 --> 00:19:32,208
and around your house that you've seen.

559
00:19:32,208 --> 00:19:33,291
Take some amazing photographs.

560
00:19:33,541 --> 00:19:35,583
But what is it about like ocean species

561
00:19:35,583 --> 00:19:37,875
in particular that that really kind of

562
00:19:37,875 --> 00:19:38,958
get peak your interest?

563
00:19:39,875 --> 00:19:43,125
Yeah, so my husband and I talk about this

564
00:19:43,125 --> 00:19:45,125
all the time because truly I love all

565
00:19:45,125 --> 00:19:48,500
animals. I love land animals as well. But

566
00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:51,250
land animals feel just so accessible.

567
00:19:51,833 --> 00:19:53,583
And there's just something like the

568
00:19:53,583 --> 00:19:56,000
little bit of mystery about animals

569
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,750
living under the water. They're just not

570
00:19:57,750 --> 00:20:01,291
as accessible. And I think as a kid, that

571
00:20:01,291 --> 00:20:03,583
was really fascinating to me.

572
00:20:03,625 --> 00:20:08,083
And like I have fond memories of my

573
00:20:08,083 --> 00:20:09,625
grandmother reading bedtime

574
00:20:09,625 --> 00:20:11,166
stories to my brother and I.

575
00:20:11,625 --> 00:20:14,041
And the story that I always asked her to

576
00:20:14,041 --> 00:20:16,916
read was actually more of a mini textbook

577
00:20:16,916 --> 00:20:21,083
of these really kind of neat, different,

578
00:20:21,083 --> 00:20:24,375
unusual type ocean creatures. Right.

579
00:20:24,791 --> 00:20:28,458
My poor grandmother. And I just like I

580
00:20:28,458 --> 00:20:30,125
couldn't believe that animals

581
00:20:30,125 --> 00:20:31,500
like that existed out there.

582
00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:34,666
Like I think I was always asking her

583
00:20:34,666 --> 00:20:36,708
about the lion's mane jellyfish and the

584
00:20:36,708 --> 00:20:38,500
blue bottle jellyfish and like, how long

585
00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:41,208
do their tentacles get? Oh, my goodness.

586
00:20:41,625 --> 00:20:45,541
And yeah, I just just something about

587
00:20:45,541 --> 00:20:47,458
that mystery is really what drew me in.

588
00:20:47,666 --> 00:20:51,208
And then being in Nova Scotia and living

589
00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:52,416
here, like you said, I

590
00:20:52,416 --> 00:20:53,916
could explore tide pools.

591
00:20:53,916 --> 00:20:55,500
So so one of the things that always

592
00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:57,250
caught my eye were these bright blue

593
00:20:57,250 --> 00:20:59,250
polychaete worms that you could find in

594
00:20:59,250 --> 00:21:00,583
the tidal pools here.

595
00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:05,583
And I don't know much about them, but I

596
00:21:05,583 --> 00:21:08,000
do know that they're very beautiful and I

597
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,166
do know that pollution

598
00:21:09,166 --> 00:21:11,583
seems to have affected them.

599
00:21:11,583 --> 00:21:13,000
I don't see them as much

600
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,750
around anymore, to be honest.

601
00:21:16,666 --> 00:21:19,125
What else have I seen? The seagrasses

602
00:21:19,125 --> 00:21:20,375
here, like the

603
00:21:20,375 --> 00:21:21,791
eelgrass here in Nova Scotia.

604
00:21:22,333 --> 00:21:24,250
The eelgrass is a cold water species and

605
00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:27,333
I've really I remember growing up and

606
00:21:27,333 --> 00:21:29,500
seeing eelgrass in the different inlets

607
00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:31,208
and harbors here where I grew up.

608
00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:34,125
And you just don't see as much of it here

609
00:21:34,125 --> 00:21:37,416
anymore. But what you do see is a lot of

610
00:21:37,416 --> 00:21:39,166
coastal erosion here now.

611
00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:42,666
And it's just I think it's interesting

612
00:21:42,666 --> 00:21:46,000
having grown up and being obsessed with

613
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,416
the ocean because it's all these things

614
00:21:47,416 --> 00:21:48,250
that I'm not sure the

615
00:21:48,250 --> 00:21:51,041
average person would notice.

616
00:21:52,041 --> 00:21:56,541
So just being able to acknowledge these

617
00:21:56,541 --> 00:22:00,416
types of ecosystems and being a part and

618
00:22:00,416 --> 00:22:01,875
feeling like I'm a part of these

619
00:22:01,875 --> 00:22:03,791
ecosystems and that I can have a voice

620
00:22:03,791 --> 00:22:06,875
for them has just always I don't know.

621
00:22:06,875 --> 00:22:09,083
That's drawn me in and it's what keeps me

622
00:22:09,083 --> 00:22:11,375
interested in why I love living in the

623
00:22:11,375 --> 00:22:13,750
community I live in and still on an inlet

624
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:14,875
and still in the ocean.

625
00:22:15,375 --> 00:22:18,791
And yeah, that's awesome.

626
00:22:18,833 --> 00:22:20,750
Now, you mentioned at one point you went

627
00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:23,541
down to St. Martain to pursue being a

628
00:22:23,541 --> 00:22:25,625
dive master and you

629
00:22:25,625 --> 00:22:26,666
did that and you dove.

630
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,708
I would assume like every weekday or

631
00:22:28,708 --> 00:22:30,000
every time you worked, you're pretty much

632
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,791
in the water being able to see again,

633
00:22:32,791 --> 00:22:33,791
explore and be able

634
00:22:33,791 --> 00:22:34,708
to understand animals.

635
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:37,083
What type of perspective did you get

636
00:22:37,083 --> 00:22:39,375
coming from a cold water temperate

637
00:22:39,375 --> 00:22:41,500
environment to a warm tropical

638
00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,083
environment and diving?

639
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:46,458
I assumed you dove in in in the in Nova

640
00:22:46,458 --> 00:22:48,791
Scotia as well when you were learning

641
00:22:48,791 --> 00:22:50,875
before you became a dive master. Yes.

642
00:22:51,041 --> 00:22:53,375
What perspective did that give you, you

643
00:22:53,375 --> 00:22:56,291
know, in terms of just experiences diving

644
00:22:56,291 --> 00:22:58,125
and because a lot of people would rather

645
00:22:58,125 --> 00:23:00,583
go down to the tropics to dive.

646
00:23:00,583 --> 00:23:01,291
They'll do make these

647
00:23:01,291 --> 00:23:02,750
elaborate trips to go diving.

648
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,208
But then, you know, there's still some

649
00:23:05,208 --> 00:23:05,833
beautiful things to

650
00:23:05,833 --> 00:23:07,125
see in the cold water.

651
00:23:07,125 --> 00:23:08,708
So like what what kind of perspective

652
00:23:08,708 --> 00:23:10,000
that give you going down

653
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,041
to the tropics to dive?

654
00:23:11,958 --> 00:23:13,083
Yeah, so I think

655
00:23:13,083 --> 00:23:15,708
perspectives go both ways.

656
00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:20,333
So I learned to dive here in Nova Scotia.

657
00:23:20,333 --> 00:23:23,083
So I learned to dive in cold water and

658
00:23:23,083 --> 00:23:25,750
having done both diving in cold water and

659
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:28,500
warm water, I can definitely say cold

660
00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:31,125
water diving is a whole other beast.

661
00:23:32,916 --> 00:23:34,000
And mad respect to

662
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,125
people who do that often.

663
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,333
And I think doing that made diving in St.

664
00:23:41,333 --> 00:23:43,500
Martin feel easy to me.

665
00:23:45,166 --> 00:23:48,625
I feel like in St. Martin, I thought I

666
00:23:48,625 --> 00:23:50,666
was seeing a lot more than

667
00:23:50,666 --> 00:23:51,916
I would see in Nova Scotia.

668
00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:53,916
But that's not true.

669
00:23:54,625 --> 00:23:56,333
So the practices and the techniques I

670
00:23:56,333 --> 00:23:59,083
learned while doing my dive master and as

671
00:23:59,083 --> 00:24:01,583
I took people out on tours to see the

672
00:24:01,583 --> 00:24:03,208
reefs was that if you

673
00:24:03,208 --> 00:24:05,500
really stay still underwater,

674
00:24:06,166 --> 00:24:09,208
and just look at an area on a coral reef

675
00:24:09,208 --> 00:24:10,958
or in a kelp or on a rock bed,

676
00:24:12,041 --> 00:24:13,708
you will see more than if you're swimming

677
00:24:13,708 --> 00:24:15,416
fast and trying to see it all.

678
00:24:16,083 --> 00:24:18,833
So just taking that experience from St.

679
00:24:18,833 --> 00:24:20,666
Martin and actually bringing it back here

680
00:24:20,666 --> 00:24:24,833
to Nova Scotia and really just being calm

681
00:24:24,833 --> 00:24:28,333
underwater and staying still and feeling

682
00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:31,666
like I am a part of the environment and

683
00:24:31,666 --> 00:24:33,291
just enjoying my immediate surroundings.

684
00:24:34,416 --> 00:24:36,291
You see so much more than

685
00:24:36,291 --> 00:24:37,791
I think people can expect.

686
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,500
Like we get these really cool nudibranchs

687
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:41,375
here in Nova Scotia.

688
00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:43,500
Also very colorful types

689
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:45,208
of underwater sea slugs.

690
00:24:45,541 --> 00:24:48,416
They're very, very tiny centimeters big.

691
00:24:48,416 --> 00:24:51,291
So you really have to be still and look

692
00:24:51,291 --> 00:24:52,041
for them and just

693
00:24:52,041 --> 00:24:53,083
enjoy what you're seeing.

694
00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:55,833
And if you're doing a night dive, you can

695
00:24:55,833 --> 00:24:57,875
see different types of polychaete worms,

696
00:24:57,875 --> 00:25:01,125
for example, the kind of bioluminous as

697
00:25:01,125 --> 00:25:02,291
they're swimming by you,

698
00:25:02,291 --> 00:25:03,541
which is really, really neat.

699
00:25:03,583 --> 00:25:04,166
Oh, that's cool.

700
00:25:04,625 --> 00:25:04,875
Yeah.

701
00:25:05,541 --> 00:25:07,541
And we have so much fish that just hide

702
00:25:07,541 --> 00:25:09,000
and bury themselves in the sand.

703
00:25:09,333 --> 00:25:11,000
Not that St. Martin doesn't, but I feel

704
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,000
like you've got a lot of that right here

705
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,416
in Nova Scotia, a lot

706
00:25:14,416 --> 00:25:15,625
of hiding creatures.

707
00:25:16,625 --> 00:25:19,041
And so I think it really just taught me

708
00:25:19,041 --> 00:25:22,166
to slow down and just really appreciate

709
00:25:22,166 --> 00:25:23,541
everything that was around me.

710
00:25:23,541 --> 00:25:25,625
St. Martin was easy because you could

711
00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:27,208
still see a lot without doing that.

712
00:25:27,375 --> 00:25:30,250
But if you learn to do that, you can

713
00:25:30,250 --> 00:25:31,750
really learn to appreciate in

714
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:33,625
particular cold water diving.

715
00:25:35,666 --> 00:25:37,166
Yeah, because I mean, I feel like cold

716
00:25:37,166 --> 00:25:39,375
water diving is a quicker dive, you know,

717
00:25:39,375 --> 00:25:41,041
just because you probably go through a

718
00:25:41,041 --> 00:25:42,333
little bit more air, you're breathing a

719
00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:43,916
little faster because of the cold.

720
00:25:43,916 --> 00:25:45,041
It's just the body's

721
00:25:45,041 --> 00:25:48,000
physiology reacting to the cold water.

722
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:48,916
When you're in the tropics, it would

723
00:25:48,916 --> 00:25:49,416
probably be a little

724
00:25:49,416 --> 00:25:50,458
bit of a longer dive.

725
00:25:51,125 --> 00:25:53,333
I think a lot of the myths, the myth is

726
00:25:53,333 --> 00:25:55,250
that you would probably see more in the

727
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:56,541
tropics or more cool

728
00:25:56,541 --> 00:25:57,750
things in the tropics.

729
00:25:57,750 --> 00:26:00,000
But you have already talked about a

730
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,041
number of different things.

731
00:26:01,041 --> 00:26:02,458
Now, I have to admit, I'm a diver.

732
00:26:02,458 --> 00:26:03,083
I haven't gone diving in

733
00:26:03,083 --> 00:26:03,875
a while, but I'm a diver.

734
00:26:05,458 --> 00:26:07,041
I am terrified of night dives anywhere,

735
00:26:07,291 --> 00:26:09,250
whether it be in the ocean or whether it

736
00:26:09,250 --> 00:26:10,000
be in the Great Lakes.

737
00:26:10,333 --> 00:26:11,416
There's something about it.

738
00:26:11,416 --> 00:26:13,416
I don't I don't feel that I would panic.

739
00:26:13,625 --> 00:26:15,500
I think if I if I went down, I'd be back

740
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:16,666
up in about 15 minutes

741
00:26:16,666 --> 00:26:17,416
because I'd be out of air.

742
00:26:17,458 --> 00:26:21,791
But but like you've mentioned a lot of

743
00:26:21,791 --> 00:26:24,125
cool, cool things, cool animals that you

744
00:26:24,125 --> 00:26:25,750
see, especially in the in the worm.

745
00:26:26,208 --> 00:26:27,708
You know, like you see some nematodes,

746
00:26:27,708 --> 00:26:29,458
you see some polychaete

747
00:26:29,458 --> 00:26:30,666
worms, which is kind of cool.

748
00:26:30,666 --> 00:26:32,041
And then you see the bioluminescence at

749
00:26:32,041 --> 00:26:34,375
night, which is which is really amazing.

750
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:37,083
What's your favorite animal that you've

751
00:26:37,083 --> 00:26:39,916
seen in in in like off the coast of Nova

752
00:26:39,916 --> 00:26:41,375
Scotia in this cold water environment?

753
00:26:42,583 --> 00:26:45,958
Yeah, so I haven't seen these animals

754
00:26:45,958 --> 00:26:48,291
diving here because admittedly, I do less

755
00:26:48,291 --> 00:26:50,333
diving now that I've been spoiled with

756
00:26:50,333 --> 00:26:51,500
warm water or something.

757
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,791
I've been here a little

758
00:26:52,791 --> 00:26:54,833
bit and then I used to.

759
00:26:54,833 --> 00:26:57,500
But we still do go out on a boat.

760
00:26:58,041 --> 00:26:59,541
I still paddle quite often.

761
00:27:00,291 --> 00:27:03,541
So the coolest animal that I've ever seen

762
00:27:03,541 --> 00:27:05,916
here, oh, my gosh, I've been so lucky.

763
00:27:05,916 --> 00:27:08,666
I've seen so many and definitely the

764
00:27:08,666 --> 00:27:10,625
sharks and the sharks.

765
00:27:11,958 --> 00:27:13,875
How special place in my heart because

766
00:27:13,875 --> 00:27:16,458
this is the shark that I was introduced

767
00:27:16,458 --> 00:27:18,500
to when I was a student at

768
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:20,250
Dalhousie doing my undergrad.

769
00:27:21,166 --> 00:27:23,208
And it's if you've never worked with a

770
00:27:23,208 --> 00:27:25,875
shark before or if you're scared of

771
00:27:25,875 --> 00:27:27,416
sharks and you've never seen a shark

772
00:27:27,416 --> 00:27:30,583
before, this is really the perfect shark

773
00:27:30,583 --> 00:27:32,458
for you to encounter in the wild.

774
00:27:32,791 --> 00:27:35,875
They are kind of dopey kind of puppy dog

775
00:27:35,875 --> 00:27:40,875
like they are typically not beat up like

776
00:27:40,875 --> 00:27:42,916
you'd see with the with a white shark

777
00:27:42,916 --> 00:27:43,625
that has a bunch of

778
00:27:43,625 --> 00:27:44,750
scarring over its face.

779
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:47,583
So they don't look aggressive per se.

780
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:49,416
It's still a shark.

781
00:27:49,416 --> 00:27:51,333
It's still a wild animal and they still

782
00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:52,833
should be respected as such.

783
00:27:53,583 --> 00:27:56,541
But everybody who I've taken out to see a

784
00:27:56,541 --> 00:27:58,208
blue shark in the wild who has been

785
00:27:58,208 --> 00:27:59,750
apprehensive about sharks

786
00:27:59,750 --> 00:28:02,000
has come back from that.

787
00:28:02,625 --> 00:28:04,541
Without apprehension anymore.

788
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,916
They they love sharks

789
00:28:06,916 --> 00:28:08,000
after meeting a blue shark.

790
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,416
So I think that holds a special place in

791
00:28:10,416 --> 00:28:12,875
my heart because it it teaches people to

792
00:28:12,875 --> 00:28:16,958
appreciate sharks in a way that like a

793
00:28:16,958 --> 00:28:19,291
great white shark or a tiger shark

794
00:28:19,291 --> 00:28:22,000
couldn't just because of kind of the

795
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,000
stigma that they have around them.

796
00:28:25,291 --> 00:28:27,250
Of course, I really love a poor shark.

797
00:28:27,708 --> 00:28:28,958
I get to see them as well.

798
00:28:28,958 --> 00:28:29,916
They're like tiny little.

799
00:28:29,958 --> 00:28:31,916
I mean, they grow big, but the ones that

800
00:28:31,916 --> 00:28:34,291
I'm seeing here off Nova Scotia are often

801
00:28:34,291 --> 00:28:36,416
quite small, tiny little footballs.

802
00:28:36,708 --> 00:28:37,375
They are so.

803
00:28:37,625 --> 00:28:41,500
I never thought of a poor being like a

804
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:42,583
football, but that makes

805
00:28:42,583 --> 00:28:43,583
I'm a big football fan.

806
00:28:43,791 --> 00:28:46,333
Yeah, I know them a little bit more.

807
00:28:46,375 --> 00:28:47,958
You got your fan of

808
00:28:47,958 --> 00:28:49,333
football and blow poor people.

809
00:28:52,125 --> 00:28:53,708
Let me ask you, you mentioned like when

810
00:28:53,708 --> 00:28:56,125
you when you take people out, how are you

811
00:28:56,125 --> 00:28:57,125
like you are you taking

812
00:28:57,125 --> 00:28:58,083
them on a paddle board?

813
00:28:58,083 --> 00:28:59,125
Are you taking them on a boat?

814
00:28:59,166 --> 00:29:00,083
Like how are you taking

815
00:29:00,083 --> 00:29:01,375
people out like friends?

816
00:29:01,708 --> 00:29:03,583
I assume and and colleagues and stuff

817
00:29:03,583 --> 00:29:05,041
like how are you seeing?

818
00:29:06,458 --> 00:29:08,541
Good question.

819
00:29:08,791 --> 00:29:09,416
Good question.

820
00:29:09,416 --> 00:29:11,750
So I has not been friends

821
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:14,291
yet, but that is to come.

822
00:29:16,208 --> 00:29:18,500
Students, but you know, some of the

823
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,958
students that I've been fortunate enough

824
00:29:20,958 --> 00:29:24,500
to work with at Dalhousie either through

825
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:25,291
my role as a teaching

826
00:29:25,291 --> 00:29:26,666
assistant or as a co instructor.

827
00:29:26,958 --> 00:29:28,875
Some of them have seen sharks before, but

828
00:29:28,875 --> 00:29:31,166
many of them have never even stepped foot

829
00:29:31,166 --> 00:29:33,458
on a boat before, let alone seen a shark.

830
00:29:33,916 --> 00:29:34,083
True.

831
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:37,166
So yeah, they're taking the course

832
00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:38,791
because they're interested in sharks, but

833
00:29:38,791 --> 00:29:39,583
some of them do still

834
00:29:39,583 --> 00:29:40,458
have that apprehension.

835
00:29:40,916 --> 00:29:42,750
So it's really the students and getting

836
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:45,583
to show that to the students and allow

837
00:29:45,583 --> 00:29:46,500
that to be a part of

838
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:47,625
their learning journey.

839
00:29:48,291 --> 00:29:49,875
That really resonates with me.

840
00:29:50,291 --> 00:29:51,625
Now, saying that my

841
00:29:51,625 --> 00:29:53,083
husband and I just bought a boat.

842
00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:53,666
Yes.

843
00:29:53,708 --> 00:29:55,833
So we are looking forward to going out

844
00:29:55,833 --> 00:29:58,333
and being able to see sharks, just the

845
00:29:58,333 --> 00:29:59,333
two of us or bring

846
00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:00,333
out friends and family.

847
00:30:02,166 --> 00:30:03,500
We know where they

848
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:04,708
are off of Nova Scotia.

849
00:30:04,958 --> 00:30:05,833
We know how to find them.

850
00:30:06,458 --> 00:30:07,958
So that'll be it'll be a nice experience.

851
00:30:08,375 --> 00:30:10,791
And and to be honest, when we're seeing

852
00:30:10,791 --> 00:30:13,166
the sharks through Dalhousie shark class,

853
00:30:13,166 --> 00:30:16,208
there's always an aspect to it that is a

854
00:30:16,208 --> 00:30:18,291
little bit stressful because we are

855
00:30:18,291 --> 00:30:19,458
tagging the animals.

856
00:30:19,458 --> 00:30:21,291
So we are taking them out of the water.

857
00:30:22,125 --> 00:30:23,375
Yeah, I can go out on my

858
00:30:23,375 --> 00:30:25,083
own boat and just see them.

859
00:30:25,416 --> 00:30:26,083
I don't have to take

860
00:30:26,083 --> 00:30:26,875
them out of the water.

861
00:30:26,875 --> 00:30:28,041
I can leave them in the water.

862
00:30:28,625 --> 00:30:29,875
They can do their own thing.

863
00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:32,750
I can just enjoy them in

864
00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:33,833
their natural environment.

865
00:30:34,708 --> 00:30:36,125
And so I'm really looking forward to that

866
00:30:36,125 --> 00:30:37,000
and being able to show

867
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,083
friends and family that.

868
00:30:38,875 --> 00:30:39,041
Yeah.

869
00:30:39,666 --> 00:30:40,541
So I think this is interesting.

870
00:30:40,541 --> 00:30:42,041
You know, I approached this episode

871
00:30:42,041 --> 00:30:44,041
initially as like, because of I know your

872
00:30:44,041 --> 00:30:45,041
your history in scuba

873
00:30:45,041 --> 00:30:46,375
diving, which is amazing.

874
00:30:46,708 --> 00:30:47,916
And I am like, oh, yeah, well, if you

875
00:30:47,916 --> 00:30:48,625
scuba dive, you'll probably

876
00:30:48,625 --> 00:30:50,000
see like so many cool things.

877
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:51,166
You're talking about

878
00:30:51,166 --> 00:30:52,291
taking people on a boat.

879
00:30:52,958 --> 00:30:54,583
Sometimes students, you know, where

880
00:30:54,583 --> 00:30:56,375
you're doing work with them and showing

881
00:30:56,375 --> 00:30:58,000
them how to do so so they can build on

882
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:58,583
their skills and their

883
00:30:58,583 --> 00:31:00,166
experience and on their career.

884
00:31:00,791 --> 00:31:02,166
But when you're saying, hey, when you and

885
00:31:02,166 --> 00:31:03,916
menu go out on the on your own boat,

886
00:31:04,166 --> 00:31:07,666
which congratulations, by the way, you're

887
00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:08,583
you want to see them in

888
00:31:08,583 --> 00:31:09,458
their natural environment.

889
00:31:10,291 --> 00:31:13,208
So I guess the question is, is like what

890
00:31:13,208 --> 00:31:15,250
type of animals if you're on the surface

891
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:17,333
and you're and you're just, you know,

892
00:31:17,583 --> 00:31:18,708
kind of cruising along.

893
00:31:19,666 --> 00:31:20,958
Obviously, you're probably not going to

894
00:31:20,958 --> 00:31:22,833
see like a ton, even when you're in

895
00:31:22,833 --> 00:31:24,833
tropics, like by cruising along.

896
00:31:25,708 --> 00:31:29,250
But what could people expect to see on a

897
00:31:29,250 --> 00:31:31,250
on a fairly regular basis

898
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:32,208
when you do see animals?

899
00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:34,333
What could you what could they expect to

900
00:31:34,333 --> 00:31:35,541
see or what do you expect to see?

901
00:31:36,125 --> 00:31:36,166
Yeah.

902
00:31:37,916 --> 00:31:39,583
Without a question, catching a tag.

903
00:31:41,125 --> 00:31:44,750
Yeah, no, this is great because this is a

904
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:47,625
way that everybody can experience ocean

905
00:31:47,625 --> 00:31:48,708
life without having to.

906
00:31:48,708 --> 00:31:50,625
To learn how to dive because I realized

907
00:31:50,625 --> 00:31:52,000
that is not for everybody.

908
00:31:53,125 --> 00:31:56,166
Of course, if you go out here off of Nova

909
00:31:56,166 --> 00:31:57,500
Scotia and you don't

910
00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:58,750
even need to go very far.

911
00:31:59,083 --> 00:32:00,333
So, you know, you could be

912
00:32:00,333 --> 00:32:01,375
right along the coastline.

913
00:32:02,125 --> 00:32:03,541
You can see gray seals.

914
00:32:04,125 --> 00:32:06,333
I see them right from my house almost

915
00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:08,333
weekly, which is very cool.

916
00:32:09,958 --> 00:32:11,541
You can see Harbor porebice.

917
00:32:12,166 --> 00:32:13,500
You know, they're going into all the

918
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:15,458
inlets, the harbor, Halifax Harbor.

919
00:32:15,458 --> 00:32:16,750
You can see them all the time.

920
00:32:17,291 --> 00:32:19,625
And if you go out a little bit further

921
00:32:19,625 --> 00:32:22,458
offshore and I'm not talking very far,

922
00:32:22,708 --> 00:32:24,791
you can still see land where I'm talking.

923
00:32:25,541 --> 00:32:27,666
We've seen different animals like ocean

924
00:32:27,666 --> 00:32:30,750
sunfish kind of setting themselves up the

925
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:31,875
surface of the water.

926
00:32:33,416 --> 00:32:34,958
Otherwise known as a mola mola.

927
00:32:35,333 --> 00:32:38,291
And they are the best looking fish that

928
00:32:38,291 --> 00:32:40,416
you would ever imagine seeing.

929
00:32:41,666 --> 00:32:43,625
Again, if you're listening to this and

930
00:32:43,625 --> 00:32:46,166
you have no idea what an

931
00:32:46,166 --> 00:32:47,916
ocean sunfish is, look it up.

932
00:32:49,125 --> 00:32:51,416
They have essentially on the top and

933
00:32:51,416 --> 00:32:53,583
bottom of their body and they do not look

934
00:32:53,583 --> 00:32:54,250
like they should be

935
00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:56,083
able to move, but they can.

936
00:32:56,583 --> 00:32:57,625
And that is just incredible.

937
00:32:59,083 --> 00:33:00,250
Other things that we've

938
00:33:00,250 --> 00:33:03,750
seen before you go on.

939
00:33:03,791 --> 00:33:06,916
Sorry, just before you go on just to just

940
00:33:06,916 --> 00:33:09,666
to interrupt, I have to say this because

941
00:33:09,666 --> 00:33:12,208
like one of my most memorable moments

942
00:33:12,208 --> 00:33:14,583
work because I did my master's at Acadia.

943
00:33:15,291 --> 00:33:18,000
And Nova Scotia and I remember we did a

944
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,625
project, you know, I was working as a

945
00:33:19,625 --> 00:33:20,750
technician for my profit.

946
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:22,333
We were going around all the inlets and

947
00:33:22,333 --> 00:33:23,500
stuff and we were just at

948
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:25,375
the outskirts of an estuary.

949
00:33:25,375 --> 00:33:27,125
So kind of like out in the ocean.

950
00:33:27,833 --> 00:33:28,958
And I remember seeing this

951
00:33:28,958 --> 00:33:31,750
like weirdest thing in the ocean.

952
00:33:31,791 --> 00:33:33,500
It was like it looked like something was

953
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:35,250
dead at the surface of the ocean.

954
00:33:35,541 --> 00:33:36,500
Right. And a lot of people I think

955
00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:37,750
usually usually see that.

956
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:40,416
So we kind of say, let's just go and see

957
00:33:40,416 --> 00:33:41,625
if we can get a closer look.

958
00:33:42,416 --> 00:33:44,666
And and as you get closer, you see this

959
00:33:44,666 --> 00:33:47,250
this this like thing that looks flat, but

960
00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:49,583
it's really vertical and then it kind of

961
00:33:49,583 --> 00:33:51,166
shifts to flat and then vertical.

962
00:33:51,583 --> 00:33:52,791
And so and that's what it does.

963
00:33:52,791 --> 00:33:54,125
That's why it's known as the sunfish is

964
00:33:54,125 --> 00:33:55,875
because of bays in the sun at the at the

965
00:33:55,875 --> 00:33:57,291
surface and things like that.

966
00:33:57,291 --> 00:33:58,041
And it goes out. But it is

967
00:33:58,041 --> 00:34:00,375
the weirdest looking fish ever.

968
00:34:00,958 --> 00:34:04,708
And it is so cool to see a fish like this

969
00:34:04,708 --> 00:34:06,166
where you're just like, I did not expect

970
00:34:06,166 --> 00:34:08,375
to see this today to be able to see it.

971
00:34:08,375 --> 00:34:09,666
So, sorry, I just wanted to mention that

972
00:34:09,666 --> 00:34:10,958
little story because it is

973
00:34:10,958 --> 00:34:12,375
one of the favorite things.

974
00:34:12,375 --> 00:34:13,250
So you can see that in the Roshanohiscocha.

975
00:34:13,625 --> 00:34:16,500
So totally cool animal to see.

976
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:19,833
Other animals that you can see are

977
00:34:19,833 --> 00:34:20,916
leatherback turtles.

978
00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:23,125
So the largest turtle

979
00:34:23,125 --> 00:34:24,291
species that we have.

980
00:34:24,916 --> 00:34:26,583
Yeah. They come in in the

981
00:34:26,583 --> 00:34:28,208
summer to feed on our jellyfish.

982
00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:32,791
And we see and I feel like more and more

983
00:34:32,791 --> 00:34:34,791
in recent years, I've been seeing a lot

984
00:34:34,791 --> 00:34:37,000
of different whales, which is incredible.

985
00:34:37,375 --> 00:34:40,500
So yeah, humpback whales.

986
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:43,250
We're seeing fin whales, which is the

987
00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:44,500
second largest whale.

988
00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:46,875
Now, in saying that we do get blue whales

989
00:34:46,875 --> 00:34:48,125
here off of Nova Scotia.

990
00:34:48,791 --> 00:34:52,708
And I've been trying to manifest a blue

991
00:34:52,708 --> 00:34:56,458
whale in my life for years now because I

992
00:34:56,458 --> 00:34:57,916
think that would be incredible.

993
00:34:58,583 --> 00:34:59,916
But yeah, we get we get a lot of

994
00:34:59,916 --> 00:35:01,041
different whale species.

995
00:35:02,458 --> 00:35:04,708
I've seen say whales before as well.

996
00:35:05,875 --> 00:35:07,083
Last year was my first

997
00:35:07,083 --> 00:35:08,750
time seeing pilot whales.

998
00:35:09,041 --> 00:35:10,625
So that was really interesting.

999
00:35:12,208 --> 00:35:14,291
Yeah, different dolphin species.

1000
00:35:16,708 --> 00:35:17,875
Different bird species.

1001
00:35:18,166 --> 00:35:19,875
So I think we get a lot of bird people

1002
00:35:19,875 --> 00:35:21,208
here in Nova Scotia.

1003
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:24,500
So if you go offshore at all, you are

1004
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:26,583
seeing completely different bird wildlife

1005
00:35:26,583 --> 00:35:28,041
than you're seeing here onshore.

1006
00:35:28,166 --> 00:35:29,541
It's absolutely incredible.

1007
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000
One of my favorite are storm petrels.

1008
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,583
You rarely will see them onshore.

1009
00:35:36,166 --> 00:35:38,083
And there are these tiny little black

1010
00:35:38,083 --> 00:35:40,208
petrels, tiny little blackbirds.

1011
00:35:40,583 --> 00:35:41,166
And they'll just like

1012
00:35:41,166 --> 00:35:42,625
whip in and around your boat.

1013
00:35:43,083 --> 00:35:46,333
And they are beautiful and fast and fast.

1014
00:35:46,541 --> 00:35:47,416
I have no idea what

1015
00:35:47,416 --> 00:35:48,250
they're doing out there.

1016
00:35:48,250 --> 00:35:49,833
I have no idea where they're going.

1017
00:35:49,833 --> 00:35:52,791
My background is not in ornithology, but

1018
00:35:52,791 --> 00:35:54,083
they're very cool to see.

1019
00:35:54,375 --> 00:35:58,166
Yeah, I remember the first time I saw

1020
00:35:58,166 --> 00:35:59,208
those, I thought they were bats.

1021
00:35:59,666 --> 00:36:00,916
I really did. I thought they were bad.

1022
00:36:00,916 --> 00:36:01,333
I'm like, how does the

1023
00:36:01,333 --> 00:36:02,416
basket all the way out here?

1024
00:36:02,625 --> 00:36:03,458
I'm like, I don't understand.

1025
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:06,250
Yeah, because they're quite dark and they

1026
00:36:06,250 --> 00:36:07,625
they went around quite fast.

1027
00:36:08,041 --> 00:36:11,291
Yeah. So just tons of wildlife that you

1028
00:36:11,291 --> 00:36:13,583
can see from the surface, to be honest.

1029
00:36:13,916 --> 00:36:15,041
And then, like I

1030
00:36:15,041 --> 00:36:16,166
said, you can see sharks.

1031
00:36:16,583 --> 00:36:17,541
There are more white shark

1032
00:36:17,541 --> 00:36:19,541
sightings each year, it seems.

1033
00:36:20,208 --> 00:36:22,833
And people have seen basking sharks here

1034
00:36:22,833 --> 00:36:24,291
in Nova Scotia from the surface.

1035
00:36:24,833 --> 00:36:25,333
They come to the

1036
00:36:25,333 --> 00:36:27,416
surface to feed on plankton.

1037
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:31,625
And yeah, we do get

1038
00:36:31,625 --> 00:36:33,416
different types of mobulids.

1039
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:35,583
So those are larger ray species.

1040
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:38,000
I haven't seen them myself, but they are

1041
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,125
here off Nova Scotia.

1042
00:36:40,333 --> 00:36:43,083
I think it's just it's something new

1043
00:36:43,083 --> 00:36:44,000
every time you go out

1044
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:44,875
and it makes it exciting.

1045
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:47,750
I think that's I think it's pretty cool

1046
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:49,500
because I don't think a lot of people

1047
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,791
will think about that on a break.

1048
00:36:51,791 --> 00:36:53,000
I like when they think about the

1049
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,750
coastline, you know, we think in the wet

1050
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:57,458
on the west coast off the coast of like

1051
00:36:57,458 --> 00:36:58,666
Vancouver and in the

1052
00:36:58,666 --> 00:36:59,833
Charlotte islands and everything.

1053
00:37:01,791 --> 00:37:05,416
You you think of of orca as you think of

1054
00:37:05,416 --> 00:37:07,750
gray whales and humpbacks because we

1055
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:10,458
people show them quite quite often.

1056
00:37:11,416 --> 00:37:14,583
I feel as though with with the the

1057
00:37:14,583 --> 00:37:16,333
presence of a man by the

1058
00:37:16,333 --> 00:37:17,500
name of Dr. Neil Hamish.

1059
00:37:17,541 --> 00:37:23,166
Like he has really up the the the the

1060
00:37:23,166 --> 00:37:25,625
public awareness of of great whites that

1061
00:37:25,625 --> 00:37:28,208
are coming to Nova Scotia and that they

1062
00:37:28,208 --> 00:37:30,666
they are here and that they keep seeing

1063
00:37:30,666 --> 00:37:32,250
them come in more north.

1064
00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:33,750
And it's it's probably a function of a

1065
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:34,833
number of different things.

1066
00:37:34,833 --> 00:37:36,583
Climate change, including climate change

1067
00:37:36,583 --> 00:37:38,541
and and just how well they're doing on

1068
00:37:38,541 --> 00:37:40,291
the east coast and moving forward, I

1069
00:37:40,291 --> 00:37:42,125
assume, for for better, better

1070
00:37:42,125 --> 00:37:43,500
competition or less competition.

1071
00:37:43,541 --> 00:37:47,208
So that I think it's kind of cool to see

1072
00:37:47,208 --> 00:37:50,333
that. But, you know, do you find that

1073
00:37:50,333 --> 00:37:52,291
people you grew up with, you know, your

1074
00:37:52,291 --> 00:37:54,458
marine biologists, you know, you not only

1075
00:37:54,458 --> 00:37:56,458
do you go up around the shore, you know,

1076
00:37:56,458 --> 00:37:58,500
the coastline, but you also like live and

1077
00:37:58,500 --> 00:37:59,833
breathe it on a daily basis.

1078
00:38:00,166 --> 00:38:02,041
Our work is all around ocean stuff,

1079
00:38:02,666 --> 00:38:04,000
whether we're not in it. We may not be in

1080
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,166
it every day, but we're talking about

1081
00:38:05,166 --> 00:38:06,291
ocean. So you're more aware

1082
00:38:06,291 --> 00:38:06,500
of the stuff that goes on.

1083
00:38:06,666 --> 00:38:09,500
Do you find like your average person who

1084
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:13,000
lives in Nova Scotia, you know, is aware

1085
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,375
of the different species that around do

1086
00:38:15,375 --> 00:38:17,666
they go out? Do they have the opportunity

1087
00:38:17,666 --> 00:38:21,458
to go out on a boat or have friends that

1088
00:38:21,458 --> 00:38:22,750
go out on a boat, whether they're part of

1089
00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:24,500
a fishing community or something else

1090
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,166
where they have access to go out?

1091
00:38:26,166 --> 00:38:28,750
Do you find there there as much invested

1092
00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:31,291
in the coastline as say someone like you

1093
00:38:31,291 --> 00:38:32,500
and I that are marine scientists?

1094
00:38:32,541 --> 00:38:35,958
Yeah, so I think that's an interesting

1095
00:38:35,958 --> 00:38:40,333
question. So, for example, my family,

1096
00:38:40,833 --> 00:38:42,625
there are in my immediate family, there

1097
00:38:42,625 --> 00:38:44,208
are no fishers, there are no marine

1098
00:38:44,208 --> 00:38:45,958
biologists, there's nobody else working

1099
00:38:45,958 --> 00:38:47,625
in the ocean sector, per se.

1100
00:38:48,750 --> 00:38:51,583
Sometimes I come back after being on the

1101
00:38:51,583 --> 00:38:54,000
ocean with stories of things that I seen

1102
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,375
out there. And I'm like, I had no idea

1103
00:38:56,375 --> 00:38:57,500
you could see that off of here.

1104
00:38:57,541 --> 00:39:01,000
Yeah, in saying that I do live in a

1105
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,083
fishing community. And I think fishers

1106
00:39:05,083 --> 00:39:09,041
know more than they talk about. Because

1107
00:39:09,041 --> 00:39:11,000
every time that I've had discussions with

1108
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,750
the local fishers, they're like, of

1109
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:13,541
course you have that

1110
00:39:13,541 --> 00:39:14,500
here. I see that all the time.

1111
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:19,625
And I'm like, this is great. This would

1112
00:39:19,625 --> 00:39:22,916
be great research. It would be so these

1113
00:39:22,916 --> 00:39:26,250
animals. And I think it's just a

1114
00:39:26,250 --> 00:39:27,375
different lifestyle. You know, they're

1115
00:39:27,375 --> 00:39:29,000
going out and they're targeting, you

1116
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,708
know, their lobsters or anything.

1117
00:39:30,708 --> 00:39:32,250
And they're talking targeting their cod,

1118
00:39:32,541 --> 00:39:34,541
you know, they're not thinking about the

1119
00:39:34,541 --> 00:39:36,208
marine life in the same way that I'm

1120
00:39:36,208 --> 00:39:38,000
thinking about it. So yes, they're seeing

1121
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,791
it. They know it's out there. But it's

1122
00:39:40,791 --> 00:39:42,375
not registering to them.

1123
00:39:43,083 --> 00:39:45,166
How how special and unique that

1124
00:39:45,166 --> 00:39:47,625
experience it is. I'm the same way that

1125
00:39:47,625 --> 00:39:51,041
it is for somebody like me who grew up,

1126
00:39:51,041 --> 00:39:54,833
like obsessed with animals and

1127
00:39:54,833 --> 00:39:58,166
biodiversity. Not saying that they don't

1128
00:39:58,166 --> 00:39:58,500
think it's important.

1129
00:39:58,541 --> 00:40:00,666
Every fisher that I talked to

1130
00:40:00,666 --> 00:40:02,458
acknowledges the importance of a

1131
00:40:02,458 --> 00:40:05,333
biodiverse ecosystem and because that

1132
00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:07,875
helps maintain healthy fish populations.

1133
00:40:08,875 --> 00:40:10,750
It's just that's the lens they're seeing

1134
00:40:10,750 --> 00:40:14,750
it in. So I think, you know, to answer

1135
00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:16,291
your question, yes and no. There are

1136
00:40:16,291 --> 00:40:18,500
community members here who are very aware

1137
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:20,791
of what's out there. But I think a lot of

1138
00:40:20,791 --> 00:40:25,208
people are not. And that a lot of cool

1139
00:40:25,208 --> 00:40:26,666
opportunity to try and

1140
00:40:26,666 --> 00:40:27,500
teach people and show people.

1141
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:31,916
What is out there? Yeah, for sure. And

1142
00:40:31,916 --> 00:40:33,458
like I'm going out to Halifax for a

1143
00:40:33,458 --> 00:40:34,875
conference. We're going to we have some

1144
00:40:34,875 --> 00:40:37,458
work to do at the H2O conference in

1145
00:40:37,458 --> 00:40:41,125
Halifax. June, I believe it's June 8th,

1146
00:40:41,125 --> 00:40:43,208
June 9th and June 10th, which is going to

1147
00:40:43,208 --> 00:40:47,583
be a lot of fun. But what can people do?

1148
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:49,166
I'm looking forward to going explore. I'm

1149
00:40:49,166 --> 00:40:50,916
looking forward to I live there, you

1150
00:40:50,916 --> 00:40:52,583
know, like 20 years ago. I'm looking

1151
00:40:52,583 --> 00:40:53,916
forward to going to see how things have

1152
00:40:53,916 --> 00:40:55,708
changed. But also, like, I can't wait to

1153
00:40:55,708 --> 00:40:56,208
go back to that

1154
00:40:56,208 --> 00:40:56,500
waterfront and walk it out there.

1155
00:40:56,541 --> 00:41:00,666
And just enjoy the smell of the ocean and

1156
00:41:00,666 --> 00:41:03,083
being able to see trying to be able to

1157
00:41:03,083 --> 00:41:04,833
spot any kind of animal I can see for

1158
00:41:04,833 --> 00:41:07,375
sure. Maybe even go out on a little bit

1159
00:41:07,375 --> 00:41:09,291
of a harbor cruise. I don't know. We'll

1160
00:41:09,291 --> 00:41:12,791
see. But like for the people who are

1161
00:41:12,791 --> 00:41:14,500
visiting Nova Scotia or even for Nova

1162
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:15,791
Scotians themselves who haven't

1163
00:41:15,791 --> 00:41:17,666
connected, haven't had a chance to

1164
00:41:17,666 --> 00:41:19,458
connect or I mean, like a lot of tourists

1165
00:41:19,458 --> 00:41:22,541
go to the East Coast, especially during

1166
00:41:22,541 --> 00:41:25,500
the June, July, these types of months, the summer, spring and summer.

1167
00:41:25,541 --> 00:41:30,708
What is there to do to really dive deep

1168
00:41:30,708 --> 00:41:34,083
into, you know, what we're looking at,

1169
00:41:34,083 --> 00:41:36,500
like, or what is available in terms of

1170
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:38,541
productivity animals, all that kind of

1171
00:41:38,541 --> 00:41:40,125
stuff in the ocean? How can they really

1172
00:41:40,125 --> 00:41:42,500
connect? What's there to do in in whether

1173
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:43,708
be Halifax, Dartmouth,

1174
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,041
Nova Scotia, wherever?

1175
00:41:46,916 --> 00:41:51,291
Yeah, that's a great question. So I guess

1176
00:41:51,291 --> 00:41:53,833
right before the H2O conference in

1177
00:41:53,833 --> 00:41:54,500
Halifax itself, actually, it's a great question.

1178
00:41:54,541 --> 00:42:01,583
So June 7th on Halifax waterfront and at

1179
00:42:01,583 --> 00:42:04,166
various other stops along that route.

1180
00:42:05,833 --> 00:42:08,000
Basically, it's a bunch of businesses,

1181
00:42:08,416 --> 00:42:11,791
organizations, NGOs, academia, dive

1182
00:42:11,791 --> 00:42:14,375
shops, you know, Pisces oceans is even

1183
00:42:14,375 --> 00:42:15,500
getting involved with a cold water connector event. So check that out.

1184
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:22,958
Yeah, I think really that is the day if

1185
00:42:22,958 --> 00:42:24,708
you want to learn more about the oceans

1186
00:42:24,708 --> 00:42:28,000
here in Nova Scotia, particularly to come

1187
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,000
on down to the Halifax waterfront or the

1188
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,208
different stops along the Oceans Day

1189
00:42:33,208 --> 00:42:36,166
route and just learn from the different

1190
00:42:36,166 --> 00:42:38,333
people doing different things like, for

1191
00:42:38,333 --> 00:42:41,125
example, last year, I believe there was

1192
00:42:41,125 --> 00:42:43,166
the Marine Animal Response Society was

1193
00:42:43,166 --> 00:42:43,500
there and they're talking about the work that they do.

1194
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:50,291
Helping to rescue stranded whales or

1195
00:42:50,291 --> 00:42:53,500
injured seals and things like that. Or

1196
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:54,916
you could talk to the different dive

1197
00:42:54,916 --> 00:42:56,583
shops about the stuff that they're seeing

1198
00:42:56,583 --> 00:42:59,458
underwater, which would be like the event

1199
00:42:59,458 --> 00:43:01,208
we're teaming up with the dive shop to

1200
00:43:01,208 --> 00:43:04,333
talk about cold water and the different

1201
00:43:04,333 --> 00:43:04,500
wildlife and animals you can see there.

1202
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:08,791
So I think really that's the place to go,

1203
00:43:08,791 --> 00:43:11,000
you know, even government goes in on that

1204
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,375
event. So fisheries and oceans Canada or

1205
00:43:15,375 --> 00:43:17,583
DFO has been involved in that event.

1206
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:20,166
They have like a large map that they lay

1207
00:43:20,166 --> 00:43:22,083
out on the floor sometimes and then it

1208
00:43:22,083 --> 00:43:24,541
shows the different areas where there are

1209
00:43:24,541 --> 00:43:26,333
marine protected areas or where they're

1210
00:43:26,333 --> 00:43:27,208
planning to put in

1211
00:43:27,208 --> 00:43:27,500
marine protected areas.

1212
00:43:27,541 --> 00:43:30,916
So that's a really, really great day to

1213
00:43:30,916 --> 00:43:32,750
showcase all the different work that is

1214
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:36,041
happening around Nova Scotia. Otherwise,

1215
00:43:36,125 --> 00:43:37,458
a lot of our beaches are provincial

1216
00:43:37,458 --> 00:43:39,041
parks. So you know, just get out and go

1217
00:43:39,041 --> 00:43:43,291
to a beach and learn by being there, you

1218
00:43:43,291 --> 00:43:45,500
know, take a moment at the ocean.

1219
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:50,541
Don't rush your stay. Just like really be

1220
00:43:50,541 --> 00:43:52,875
in the moment. Be with the beach, be with

1221
00:43:52,875 --> 00:43:55,458
the water. And I think you'd be surprised

1222
00:43:55,458 --> 00:43:57,500
what you can see or find on the beach or

1223
00:43:57,500 --> 00:44:02,458
see from the beach. So 100% 100% I I was

1224
00:44:02,458 --> 00:44:03,625
up at a conference in

1225
00:44:03,625 --> 00:44:05,500
Newfoundland back in 2014.

1226
00:44:05,541 --> 00:44:09,291
We went up and we were in St. John's. We

1227
00:44:09,291 --> 00:44:10,583
decided, Hey, you know what the thing to

1228
00:44:10,583 --> 00:44:13,875
do is let's walk up signal Hill. It says

1229
00:44:13,875 --> 00:44:16,166
it's a hill. It's a big walk. So be

1230
00:44:16,166 --> 00:44:17,791
careful when you walk up there. Be ready

1231
00:44:17,791 --> 00:44:20,250
to big walk. When we got to the top, you

1232
00:44:20,250 --> 00:44:23,000
know, you see on the other side of it as

1233
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,208
you get to the top, you just see ocean as

1234
00:44:25,208 --> 00:44:26,500
far as you as far as your eye can see.

1235
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:28,708
And it's certain times the year we were

1236
00:44:28,708 --> 00:44:30,666
there in July, certain times the year you

1237
00:44:30,666 --> 00:44:32,500
get to see the humpbacks frolicking in

1238
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:34,000
the water and jumping and stuff. And I

1239
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,291
got to see that just by being there. Now,

1240
00:44:36,291 --> 00:44:37,625
that's not a guarantee every time you're

1241
00:44:37,625 --> 00:44:38,500
going to see wildlife like that.

1242
00:44:38,541 --> 00:44:42,083
But, you know, spend some time just sit

1243
00:44:42,083 --> 00:44:44,333
and enjoy, you know, a lot of the times

1244
00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:47,125
we don't realize how soothing it is to be

1245
00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:49,250
able to stare at that big blue ocean and

1246
00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:52,291
just enjoy the calmness and like start to

1247
00:44:52,291 --> 00:44:54,166
observe how many seabirds you can see,

1248
00:44:54,791 --> 00:44:56,208
you know, the, you know, all the

1249
00:44:56,208 --> 00:44:58,250
different like the waves, the coastline,

1250
00:44:58,541 --> 00:45:01,125
the wind. It's just, it's unbelievable.

1251
00:45:01,458 --> 00:45:02,875
Unbelievably relaxing. It's

1252
00:45:02,875 --> 00:45:03,500
great for your mental health.

1253
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:06,083
Because I think we all have to worry

1254
00:45:06,083 --> 00:45:07,833
about our mental health these days with

1255
00:45:07,833 --> 00:45:09,708
all the world happening. But there's

1256
00:45:09,708 --> 00:45:13,083
nothing better than on Oceans Day, which

1257
00:45:13,083 --> 00:45:14,958
I think Oceans Day is officially on the

1258
00:45:14,958 --> 00:45:17,583
8th to go out, spend some time along the

1259
00:45:17,583 --> 00:45:19,083
coastline. If you're in the Halifax

1260
00:45:19,083 --> 00:45:22,166
Dartmouth area, please stop

1261
00:45:22,166 --> 00:45:23,500
by where we're going to be.

1262
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:26,458
We all put some more information in the

1263
00:45:26,458 --> 00:45:28,666
outro, an intro so that you can check us

1264
00:45:28,666 --> 00:45:30,416
out if you're in that area. We'd love to

1265
00:45:30,416 --> 00:45:32,000
say hi. If you've been a long time

1266
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,125
listener to the How to Protect the Ocean

1267
00:45:33,125 --> 00:45:34,708
podcast, please come say hi. I'd love to

1268
00:45:34,708 --> 00:45:36,666
have a chat with you on that. And you get

1269
00:45:36,666 --> 00:45:40,208
to see some really cool dive shop as well

1270
00:45:40,208 --> 00:45:42,125
as some, we got some aquariums, I think,

1271
00:45:42,125 --> 00:45:43,500
that we're planning on bringing by.

1272
00:45:43,541 --> 00:45:45,583
Yeah, there's going to be some touch

1273
00:45:45,583 --> 00:45:48,166
tanks and I'm bringing in my personal

1274
00:45:48,166 --> 00:45:50,625
shark collection, I'm calling it. So I

1275
00:45:50,625 --> 00:45:53,708
will teeth, jaws, skate eggs. So if you

1276
00:45:53,708 --> 00:45:56,375
don't know what a state is, it is a

1277
00:45:56,375 --> 00:45:59,666
cousin of the sharks and rays. We have a

1278
00:45:59,666 --> 00:46:01,583
lot of them here. We actually have 19

1279
00:46:01,583 --> 00:46:03,958
different ray and skate species here in

1280
00:46:03,958 --> 00:46:06,250
Nova Scotia. So I will be chatting about

1281
00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:09,833
those. I even have a baby shark, not

1282
00:46:09,833 --> 00:46:11,041
alive, but you can

1283
00:46:11,041 --> 00:46:12,083
come see a real new shark.

1284
00:46:12,541 --> 00:46:15,416
That is so cool. I can't wait to take a

1285
00:46:15,416 --> 00:46:17,500
look at it. But Chrissy, I want to thank

1286
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:19,208
you so much. I think this is your first

1287
00:46:19,208 --> 00:46:21,333
podcast. It is my first podcast. Thank

1288
00:46:21,333 --> 00:46:24,250
you for having me. That is amazing. And

1289
00:46:24,250 --> 00:46:25,708
it won't be your last. We'll have you do

1290
00:46:25,708 --> 00:46:27,416
some more stuff later on if you're

1291
00:46:27,416 --> 00:46:29,791
willing to come back and talk more about

1292
00:46:29,791 --> 00:46:32,291
not only just, you know, your enjoyment

1293
00:46:32,291 --> 00:46:33,708
of species, but we'll get into the

1294
00:46:33,708 --> 00:46:36,000
science that you've done in the next in

1295
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,541
another episode. And we'd love to have

1296
00:46:38,541 --> 00:46:40,666
you back on. But thank you so much for

1297
00:46:40,666 --> 00:46:42,291
joining us today. It was a lot of fun.

1298
00:46:42,791 --> 00:46:44,916
Thank you for having me. Thank you,

1299
00:46:44,916 --> 00:46:46,583
Kirsty, for joining us on today's episode

1300
00:46:46,583 --> 00:46:48,083
of the how to protect the ocean podcast

1301
00:46:48,083 --> 00:46:49,375
was great having her on and I'm looking

1302
00:46:49,375 --> 00:46:50,708
forward to having her back on to talk

1303
00:46:50,708 --> 00:46:52,625
more about the wonderful ocean species.

1304
00:46:52,625 --> 00:46:53,833
She is a shark biologist,

1305
00:46:54,125 --> 00:46:56,916
and we're gonna be talking more with her

1306
00:46:56,916 --> 00:47:00,125
about psychology in the coming episodes,

1307
00:47:00,125 --> 00:47:02,000
probably later on, but because I always

1308
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,458
like to mix it up a little bit with

1309
00:47:03,458 --> 00:47:05,166
people. But she's just a wealth of

1310
00:47:05,166 --> 00:47:07,250
knowledge and so much fun to be able to

1311
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:09,250
talk to you. And if you want to talk to

1312
00:47:09,250 --> 00:47:12,291
Kirsty and myself, as well as some of the

1313
00:47:12,291 --> 00:47:14,208
other members of Pisces oceans, Natalie

1314
00:47:14,208 --> 00:47:18,500
and Melissa from our co CEOs, we are

1315
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:21,791
hosting an ocean day event

1316
00:47:21,791 --> 00:47:22,083
that's Sunday, June 7th in house.

1317
00:47:22,125 --> 00:47:24,916
That's Sunday, June 7th in Halifax off

1318
00:47:24,916 --> 00:47:26,416
the Bedford Highway in Bedford, Nova

1319
00:47:26,416 --> 00:47:29,333
Scotia. It's at 1440 Bedford Highway.

1320
00:47:29,541 --> 00:47:31,708
It's actually at a dive shop. We're going

1321
00:47:31,708 --> 00:47:33,666
to be hanging out in the parking lot.

1322
00:47:33,666 --> 00:47:35,416
We're going to have some some things to

1323
00:47:35,416 --> 00:47:38,708
touch and feel in terms of some

1324
00:47:38,708 --> 00:47:42,291
fossilized teeth, shark teeth and maybe

1325
00:47:42,291 --> 00:47:43,833
some jaws and we'll see a lot of

1326
00:47:43,833 --> 00:47:45,291
different things. But we're there to talk

1327
00:47:45,291 --> 00:47:46,958
if you ever want to chat if you're in the

1328
00:47:46,958 --> 00:47:49,875
Halifax, greater Halifax region or in

1329
00:47:49,875 --> 00:47:52,083
Nova Scotia and you want a fun morning of

1330
00:47:52,125 --> 00:47:54,833
hanging out with and talking oceans. You

1331
00:47:54,833 --> 00:47:58,458
can do that from 9am to 11am Halifax

1332
00:47:58,458 --> 00:48:00,083
time. That's Atlantic time. That's

1333
00:48:00,083 --> 00:48:03,208
Sunday, June 7th, 1440 Bedford Highway

1334
00:48:03,208 --> 00:48:05,291
Bedford Nova Scotia would love to chat

1335
00:48:05,291 --> 00:48:06,958
with you if you're a fan of the podcast

1336
00:48:06,958 --> 00:48:08,958
or you're a fan of just oceans in general

1337
00:48:08,958 --> 00:48:10,458
and you want to come out and hang out

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with us for a couple of hours. Please let

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us know. We'd be happy to do so. So

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that's it for today's episode. I want to

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thank Kirsty and I want to thank you for

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listening to this episode. We got more

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Oceans Week fun stuff coming from the

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ocean. I'm going to do some off the cuff

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like five episodes just for fun and see

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what we can come up with in terms of

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topics. I'm looking forward to doing that

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and I want to thank you so much for being

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a fan of the how to protect the ocean

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podcast because the fact that you guys

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listen to this episode and that you

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listen to the all the episodes or as many

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episodes as you can and get yourself

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interested in the oceans and you're

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looking at resources. I love the fact

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that you come each and

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every day or whenever you

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can to come back and listen to these

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episodes. I can't it's just fun to be

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able to have that and be able to talk to

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you and for if you want to get a hold of

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me, you can hit me up in my socials in

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the show notes and of course I'll put the

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information to our event for oceans.

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Well, the day before Ocean's Day June 7th

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to talk about more about cold water,

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especially around Halifax. So I want to

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hear your stories and what your favorite

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species is in and around the Nova Scotia

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area in the ocean up in Eastern Canada.

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So thank you again for

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joining us on today's episode.

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Of the how to protect the ocean podcast.

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I'm your host, Angelo and have a great

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day. We'll talk to you next

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time and happy conservation.