The Big Question at Sharks International 2026: Are We Saving Sharks the Right Way?

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Welcome back to the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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Today's episode, we

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are going to be covering

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Sharks International 2026,

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which takes place in Sri Lanka.

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We have Daniel

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Fernando, who's on the podcast

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who helped organize, was

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in charge of organizing

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all of Sharks International.

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So he was able to sit down

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with us out of his busy schedule

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and talk to us about

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what went into the planning,

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what to expect at Sharks International.

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That's happening as we publish this is

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happening right now.

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So it's going to be

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amazing to find out all about it.

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If you're there and

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you're listening to this,

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it'll be interesting to see what you feel

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of how you're feeling

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your experience is so far

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on the first day, but other than that,

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let's just start the show.

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Hey everybody, welcome back

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to another exciting episode

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of the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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I'm your co-host, Andrew

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Lewin, here with my co-host

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who's doing double duty here.

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He's on here and he's

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at Sharks International

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as we speak, David Ebert.

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Dave, how are you doing?

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You joined the conference?

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Absolutely.

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I was just kind of kicking off today, but

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I got in on Saturday.

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And of course, you know, I

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love going to these conferences

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like Sharks International

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because once every four years

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and I see people like

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Daniel and others that, you know,

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I may, what maybe run into in between,

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but most of the time

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a lot of the people here I

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run into at the conference

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that I haven't seen for a few years.

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And even though we might correspond,

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it's great to catch up in

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person, have some coffee,

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have a beer or

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whatever, or some tea or what.

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And it's just, it's super

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nice seeing everybody here

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in person.

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And I've been actually been to Sri Lanka

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before and it's beautiful country.

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I absolutely love, love coming here.

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Just halfway, literally halfway around

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the world for you and me to come here.

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But it's a, it's a,

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it's a beautiful country.

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I'm really happy to, to be back.

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And I'm looking forward to the

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conference this week and yeah,

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work and he's kind of kicking off the,

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his episodes kicking off the week here on

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Monday and we'll be

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rerunning some of the reposting.

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I should say some of the episodes with

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some of the keynote speakers.

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Several of the younger people have not

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been on the podcast before.

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So it was pretty

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exciting, pretty exciting for us.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's always nice to hear new

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voices from all over the world.

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And it's great to be able

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to, to connect with them.

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And as some people will be connecting

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with them through their keynotes,

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others will be connecting through them on

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the podcast, which is,

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which is great to get more exposure for

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the, for these young leaders.

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And of course, you know, what's nice,

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what I love is like we look at the list

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and we'll be reposting the interviews

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every single keynote on the podcast now.

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And I think that's, that's pretty cool.

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Sometimes we did it before or like long

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before other times we have updated

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episodes and so

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you're going to hear from,

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you're going to be able to hear or you've

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been hearing from them as we go through.

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You know, we have a feed go friend, a

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Zoya already that's been published.

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We also, who do we have?

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We have Sarah Fowler, guys, Steve, go

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guys, Stevens, Guido, Guido, Barbara,

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we just had, yeah, we

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just had on in the last year.

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So that's kind of a, Martha too, I

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believe Martha was

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this past year as well.

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So, yeah.

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So we've had a number of this.

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So we had a number of the people on there

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and of course people

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like, like Guy and Sarah,

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I know Sarah has been on a few times now

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and Guy might be, might be

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due to time to have Guy back on

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sometime.

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I think so.

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So check and see what he's up to.

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But, but yeah, it's really good.

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But we'll have, in fact, we'll try to
post a repost all these episodes.

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Cause all these people have been on the

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other, other people

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have been on the show.

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And it's, it's going to

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get exciting conference.

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I know for those of you that not directly

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in the field, it might seem a bit nerdy

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or sort of inside baseball, but it's, it

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really is like the

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conference to go to now in the field.

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They have it.

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And as Daniel will talk about his first

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one, it's been in Asia, which would be really exciting for people in that part of the world.

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And it's the conference has moved around

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to it's been in started off in Australia.

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It's been to South Africa,

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Brazil, Spain, and now Sri Lanka.

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So I'll be interested at the end of the

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week to find out where

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it's going to be going next.

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Yeah, that's always the fun.

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You get the little bets that go on, you

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know, to find out where it's going to be

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and you get the rumors and stuff.

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announced it at the end.

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I always liked that.

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It's like a bonus thing.

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You almost forget about it a little bit. And then people get to know it. And then people get to know it. And then people get to know it. You almost forget about it a little bit.

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And then people will mention it as they

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get to near the end of

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the conference and stuff.

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Where do you think it's going to be

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without like, I don't know if you have

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any insider information.

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No, I actually don't.

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I don't even know who I mean, I know some

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places I'd like to see

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it go, but I don't know.

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I really don't know where I really don't

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have any idea where that might go next.

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Well, it's here where

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you'd like to see it go.

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I'd like to see it like maybe somewhere

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in Central America, like

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Costa Rica or someplace.

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Oh, yeah, that'd be cool.

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Yeah, that's a lot of

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shark activity in Costa Rica.

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And oh, yeah.

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A lot going on.

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A lot going on.

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Probably get some get some eyes and get

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some great people that are that are.

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Yeah.

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Or Panama, you know, you got, you know,

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I'm sure, you know, Rachel Graham doesn't

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have much to do these days.

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So I love hearing that.

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Yeah.

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Since you just been on the podcast.

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Yeah.

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With like some major news.

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Nothing.

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Nothing.

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We've decided we decided to throw our

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weight behind Panama for

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the next one here with.

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Rachel Graham.

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Hosting.

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Central America would be, I think would

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be a fun place to go.

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There's a lot of stuff going on.

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As I gives access to a lot of South

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American countries to come up and.

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It's in countries as well.

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It's hard to do a lot of like, you know,

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the U S or Canada and even a lot of

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Western European countries in Japan, just

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because it's so expensive

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to have a conference there.

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For sure.

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Places here.

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And I mean, I can tell you from my own

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experience, like I can airfare aside

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going to like Sri Lanka, these places,

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it's cheaper than going

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to a conference in America.

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Right. Right.

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Airfare aside.

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And so you just so you.

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So a lot of countries are kind of kind of

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it's really hard to have them there.

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For sure.

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A lot of people can't afford.

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And so you have to have people on the

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ground that can organize a conference to

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as Daniel found out, I think.

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A little more than we expect.

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He was a little more than he was

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expecting in the term

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to the conference there.

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But he also, I think being where he is

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strategically, they'll have a lot of

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countries that have not been able to go.

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That's important to I think it's giving

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access to people who don't have go.

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But let's hear that from day before we

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get on a tangent here.

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Let's get here that from Daniel.

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Talking about the sharks international

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2026, the planning, what to expect when

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you get there and what to

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expect from the conference.

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Enjoy and we'll talk to you after.

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Hey, Daniel, welcome back

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to the Beyond Jaws podcast.

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Are you ready to talk

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about sharks international?

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Yes, of course.

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And thanks so much for having me back on.

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Really appreciate it.

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You bet.

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You bet.

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Well, welcome to the another episode of

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the Beyond Jaws podcast, where we have a

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really special returning guest.

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We have Daniel Fernandez, the co-founder

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of the Blue Resources Trust and the

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director of the Blue Resources Trust

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Fisheries and Policy

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Program in Sri Lanka.

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Daniel is one of our first group of

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guests we ever had on all

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the way back in November 2021.

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We just started the podcast.

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He was on as part of the Wedgefish and

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Guitar Fish Symposium we had.

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And Daniel, he also he provides technical

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support for a lot of break management

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policy for conventions such as CITES,

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Convention International Trade and

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Endangered Species and the Convention and

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Migratory Species, CMS, helping to bridge

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the gap between science and policy and

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encouraging a shift

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towards sustainable fisheries.

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He's also an associate director of the Manta Trust, a terrific organization run by our friend Guy Stevens. Welcome to the show.

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Thanks so much.

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Just thank you.

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Thank you so much for that amazing but

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extremely long introduction.

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Just one minor correction that I'm no

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longer the vice chair

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of the Indian Ocean SSG.

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I did step down to give opportunities to

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other people and to be able to focus on

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Chaksi National since it's

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giving quite a bit of time.

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Just a little busy.

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Just a little busy.

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Just a little busy.

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Completely understandable for that.

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So, Daniel, for you, sir, why don't you

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just tell the audience a little bit about

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your background and Blue Resources Trust.

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Sure.

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So, I'm actually half Sri Lankan, half

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German, but I grew up in Sri Lanka and

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I've lived pretty

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much my entire life here.

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And, yeah, I started out in the shark and

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rear world by studying Manta and mob

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libraries, mostly at the fishery landing

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sites across Sri Lanka.

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At that time, there was very little

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information about these species, very few

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organizations across the world that were

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studying them,

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actually very few individuals.

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And, yeah, together with the Manta Trust

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helped set up the program here in Sri

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Lanka and a few other fishery monitoring

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programs across the wider region as well.

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And through all of that work, we kind of

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realized that there was a big gap in Sri

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Lanka when it comes to research across

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all sharks and rays, not just

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the Manta and mob libraries.

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Then we decided it was time to sort of

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set up an organization that would both

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enable us to do further research in the

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country, but also to enable others who

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were not really having many opportunities

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in the country to be able

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to carry out research easily.

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You know, simple stuff like getting

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research permits or just being aware that

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there were opportunities in this field

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was something that was really lacking.

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So, yeah, that was kind of the primary

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incentive and motivated to

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set up Blue Resources Trust.

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And, yeah, we've been operating for 10

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years now and have grown significantly

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during this period of time.

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Amazing. Great. That's amazing. That's

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amazing. So, so if you guys you kind of

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like how many how many people do you have

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now working for you, working and working

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as volunteer interns for you?

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So at the moment, I have a team of about

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15 in total. So this is these are stuff

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that are going around collecting data

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from fishery landing sites across the

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country. So doing, you know, the really

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hard and challenging work of counting

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basically the sharks and mares and

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occasionally kind of areas that we

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encounter these landing sites to get a

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better understanding

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of species diversity.

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And we also have a policy team that works

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closely with national agencies in the

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concrete to try and improve management of

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these species and at the same time

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provide advice to international

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conventions such as CIDs and CMS.

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I just asked you to decide to host the

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Sharks International.

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Yeah, I do question myself sometimes.

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Honestly, I think it was, you know, when

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I was chatting with you as well back in

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2018 in Brazil at sharks international

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and I remember, I think it was with Julia

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Spade at that time, I was just randomly

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talking to her, you know about sharks

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international and I can't exactly

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remember but somehow the conversation

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came up to you know, why shouldn't one

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have it in Sri Lanka at some point. And

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I, yeah, I started asking around and then

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realized, of course, at that time, it had

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already been committed to Spain in 2022.

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So then I figured, okay, let's put our

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name down for the one after that. And

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yeah, we are extremely grateful to have

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received the bid to host this amazing

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conference and for the first time in

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Asia, which is an incredibly large

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responsibility as well.

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So, yeah, we're we're been working quite

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hard over the last few years to get a lot

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of funding to be able to make it as

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accessible as possible, which is of

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course challenging for conference of this

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scale because it's grown dramatically

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over the last two iterations.

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Yeah, just to get people not familiar

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with the sharks international started in

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2010 was the first one in cans Australia

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and Michelle Hypel is really the has been

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the driving force of this whole thing

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setting this thing up and getting this

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getting this whole whole conference going

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and this this came off a conference they

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had in the early 90s

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back in like 1991 or 92.

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And they had sort of an international

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shark conference in Australia and it was

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sort of a once off at the time and then

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years later, like I said in 2010 Michelle

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well prior to 2010 she decided to

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organize this new international

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conference called sharks international

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and the first one was

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in in cans Australia.

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And I don't think the and you can correct

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me if I'm wrong, but I don't think she

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envisioned it really was going to carry

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on after the first one. She thought it

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was kind of another going to be another

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sort of one and done and then the next

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thing you know we're in

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Durban South Africa in 2014.

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So, yeah. And then and then as you

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mentioned, we're in Brazil in 2018 I I

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think what happened on the Brazil thing

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why brought up Sri Lanka to you. I do kind of remember that conversation.

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I just been I just been to Sri Lanka

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visiting with you. We're on a field trip.

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Beautiful country was one Sri Lanka is

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one of those places I want to go to Mike

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my entire life going back so far used to

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be called salon the country

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before it became Sri Lanka.

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That's how more much back I want to go

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there. And so I thought this would be a

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great place to have it. And so next thing

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we know like here we are eight years

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later and your host and the host in the conference.

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So congratulations, I think.

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Yeah, thanks. I mean, we're really

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appreciative to have it here. And it's

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amazing to see the support that we

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received, you know, several of our

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primary funders. I mean, we have a long

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list of funders, but you know, particular

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shout outs actually to the Seva Sees

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Foundation, the Paul Angel Family

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Foundation, Shark Conservation Fund, Pro Foundation and the Mote Marine Lab and the

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Marine Conservation Action Fund of the

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New England Aquarium. You know, they have

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been our primary supporters of this

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conference. And, you know, it's, yeah,

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it's an incredible group of people that

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are really helping support our team on

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the ground here with all of the work with

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all of the logistical work and, you know,

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figuring out the schedules for the

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conference and doing all sorts of things

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that we've never had to do before. And I

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think one of the amazing things about Sharks International is that we're really excited to be here.

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And one of the things about Sharks

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International, which many people don't

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realize is that there isn't a body behind

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this conference, you know, it's, it's not

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like a year so year that, you know, have

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these bodies and groups that are, you

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know, a little more well worth hosting

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these meetings because at least there's a

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little bit more

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transference that takes place.

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And those meetings happen on an annual

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basis. So it's a little bit easier as

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well. But here, it basically gets handed

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over to a host and it's up to the host to

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kind of figure out everything. So it's

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been a learning process for us. It has

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its ups and downs and its usual

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challenges. But yeah, we have over 800

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registered pocket sponsor at the moment.

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I was going to ask you how many you had

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over 800 registered people now to attend.

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How many usually come to those to the

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Sharks International Conference?

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So the one in Durban, if I'm not

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mistaken, was about 300 or 350. And then

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in Brazil, it's a bit unclear, but I

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think probably between 500 to 600.

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Okay. Yeah. And then in 2022, because it

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goes at the tail end of COVID and of

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course, all of the challenges with, you

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know, semi virtual conference, and then

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also limitations that

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they had on the venue itself.

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And I think as a result of COVID partly,

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I think they were restricted to about 400

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or 450 participants. Okay. Yeah, it's

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almost like doubling since the last

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conference. And, and I think the number

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of abstracts that were submitted, and we

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received just over 1000 abstracts, we

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were not expecting that we were expecting

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between 400 to 500 abstracts with the

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conference and we

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received just over 1000.

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Wow. And I think one of the primary

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reasons for this was because it is being

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hosted in Asia for the first time, making

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it a lot more accessible to people that

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otherwise couldn't consider conferences

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like Sharks International because they

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were often held in countries where visas

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were incredibly challenging to obtain, in

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addition to, of course, the costs of

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getting access to

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many of those countries.

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Right. Yeah, because I think it's a

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positive step forward, but a

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lot more asking to increase.

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I find it amazing how, you know, you get

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so many people like it's been growing and

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growing every year, it seems other than

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obviously the COVID year because it's the

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end of COVID that that that's

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understandable but, you know, to get to

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800 even from before five 600 I think you

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said in it was a Brazil, or even Durban,

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you know, like that's, that's a huge

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amount of growth, especially I mean,

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like, you know, obviously,

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I live in Canada, so this is this is

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really far, but just being in Sri Lanka,

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you know, being able to have everybody

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congregate in one place, in a place like,

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like Sri Lanka, which I've never been

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there. I've heard nothing but amazing

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things, like in terms of the beauty and

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the beaches are amazing and to have

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everybody come in, in that area to be

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able to see the area to be able to to

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congregate and like 800

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people be able to interact.

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It's phenomenal. You must be pretty happy

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with the results or I guess with the with

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the amount of people that are coming.

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Yeah, for sure. I mean, like I said, you

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know, we were not expecting this volume.

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We had actually always planned for

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between about 600 to 800 expecting a best

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case scenario of about 700 early. So at

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the moment, we are just over 800 and we

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expect also quite a few last minute

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participating from national agencies and

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all of that, you know, join

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on at the very last moment.

546
01:18:39,375 --> 01:18:43,458
At the very last moment, as usual. Yeah,

547
01:18:43,458 --> 01:18:46,000
so it's it's incredible. But I think

548
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,458
what's also really nice with this

549
01:18:47,458 --> 01:18:50,125
iteration is that we're seeing, at least,

550
01:18:50,125 --> 01:18:53,791
you know, we hope to see also as you can,

551
01:18:54,583 --> 01:18:56,000
as you're well aware, there are lots of

552
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,083
travel complications at

553
01:18:57,083 --> 01:18:57,333
the moment in our world.

554
01:18:57,375 --> 01:19:00,500
But hopefully, if everybody makes it, we

555
01:19:00,500 --> 01:19:02,333
would be having quite a bit of a diverse

556
01:19:02,333 --> 01:19:03,750
audience this time, which is something

557
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:04,458
that we have really

558
01:19:04,458 --> 01:19:05,833
been pushing for this time.

559
01:19:07,375 --> 01:19:09,500
You know, not just ensuring a mix between

560
01:19:09,500 --> 01:19:12,000
scientists and policymakers and funders,

561
01:19:12,541 --> 01:19:14,041
but also ensuring that a lot of the

562
01:19:14,041 --> 01:19:15,333
global south are able to attend.

563
01:19:15,333 --> 01:19:19,416
And that is a big reason why we heavily

564
01:19:19,416 --> 01:19:22,625
subsidized the registration rates, I

565
01:19:22,625 --> 01:19:26,208
think, compared to the actual cost of

566
01:19:26,208 --> 01:19:29,125
each participant attending for students

567
01:19:29,125 --> 01:19:30,125
from the global south.

568
01:19:30,375 --> 01:19:32,750
I think it's about 88 or 90 percent

569
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:35,333
subsidy that we have put in place. That's

570
01:19:35,333 --> 01:19:38,333
amazing. So, yeah, it's not perfect.

571
01:19:38,333 --> 01:19:41,708
And it's still, you know, it is still a

572
01:19:41,708 --> 01:19:43,583
considerable cost for many people from

573
01:19:43,583 --> 01:19:45,916
Asia and, you know, other parts of the

574
01:19:45,916 --> 01:19:48,208
world, particularly from the global south

575
01:19:48,208 --> 01:19:49,708
to attend such conferences.

576
01:19:50,583 --> 01:19:53,541
It's by no means cheap, but we have tried

577
01:19:53,541 --> 01:19:55,583
our best to reduce costs as much as

578
01:19:55,583 --> 01:19:59,583
possible. And I think over $50,000 of

579
01:19:59,583 --> 01:20:01,750
travel grants have been issued out as

580
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:03,333
well to students from the global south.

581
01:20:03,375 --> 01:20:07,208
Yeah, that's amazing. Do you get much of

582
01:20:07,208 --> 01:20:09,875
much from many people from Africa going

583
01:20:09,875 --> 01:20:10,833
to be able to make it?

584
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,250
Not as many as we would like. I think

585
01:20:14,250 --> 01:20:17,000
again, getting just Sri Lanka, even from

586
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,625
Africa is still quite a

587
01:20:18,625 --> 01:20:20,958
distance and the considerable cost.

588
01:20:21,791 --> 01:20:24,333
But we, yeah, we do have quite a few and

589
01:20:24,333 --> 01:20:27,208
from a mix of countries. I don't have all

590
01:20:27,208 --> 01:20:28,666
the numbers off the top of my head right

591
01:20:28,666 --> 01:20:30,541
now, but globally, I think we have at

592
01:20:30,541 --> 01:20:32,333
least about 82 countries being represented at the global south.

593
01:20:32,333 --> 01:20:38,625
And I think that's a good question. I was

594
01:20:38,625 --> 01:20:39,916
going to ask the question I asked you how

595
01:20:39,916 --> 01:20:41,833
many countries you have compared to some

596
01:20:41,833 --> 01:20:44,041
of the other other countries.

597
01:20:44,333 --> 01:20:48,500
82 is pretty good. You have a lot of I

598
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:49,541
don't know if you know this answer, but

599
01:20:49,541 --> 01:20:50,625
it'd be do you have a number of

600
01:20:50,625 --> 01:20:52,125
countries, people coming from countries

601
01:20:52,125 --> 01:20:53,541
that have not been to sent

602
01:20:53,541 --> 01:20:54,833
representatives before?

603
01:20:55,875 --> 01:20:59,208
That's a good question. Unfortunately, as

604
01:20:59,208 --> 01:21:01,208
I mentioned, you know, since sharks

605
01:21:01,208 --> 01:21:02,958
International doesn't sort of have a body

606
01:21:02,958 --> 01:21:05,208
behind it, there isn't also this data

607
01:21:05,208 --> 01:21:06,833
recording taking place.

608
01:21:07,333 --> 01:21:09,000
And that's something that we actually

609
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,666
kind of change as well. We are keeping a

610
01:21:11,666 --> 01:21:13,416
very detailed written record this time,

611
01:21:13,416 --> 01:21:15,500
which we will be handing over to our next

612
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:19,000
hosts of the conference so that there's a

613
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,083
little bit of comparisons that they can

614
01:21:21,083 --> 01:21:24,125
do from a statistical perspective of

615
01:21:24,125 --> 01:21:24,333
numbers and participation.

616
01:21:24,375 --> 01:21:30,291
So yeah, honestly, I don't know, but I

617
01:21:30,291 --> 01:21:32,041
would imagine there must be some Asian

618
01:21:32,041 --> 01:21:33,583
countries that haven't previously

619
01:21:33,583 --> 01:21:34,666
attended conferences.

620
01:21:35,833 --> 01:21:37,791
And we've gotten a lot of emails from

621
01:21:37,791 --> 01:21:40,208
individuals who have been quite grateful

622
01:21:40,208 --> 01:21:41,458
that this conference is

623
01:21:41,458 --> 01:21:42,333
being posted in Sri Lanka.

624
01:21:43,333 --> 01:21:46,666
We have a very high number of

625
01:21:46,666 --> 01:21:48,541
participants from the mortgage from

626
01:21:48,541 --> 01:21:51,958
India, Malaysia, Indonesia, the sure

627
01:21:51,958 --> 01:21:54,666
we're not able to access previous

628
01:21:54,666 --> 01:21:55,833
previous sharks

629
01:21:55,833 --> 01:21:56,958
International conferences.

630
01:21:57,208 --> 01:21:57,916
That is so cool.

631
01:21:57,916 --> 01:21:58,458
International.

632
01:21:59,458 --> 01:22:01,375
Yeah, yeah, I know. It's good. It's good.

633
01:22:01,375 --> 01:22:02,416
It's a good. It's a nice good thing is

634
01:22:02,416 --> 01:22:04,166
that it's moved around so much over the

635
01:22:04,166 --> 01:22:07,000
years to different geographical areas and

636
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,083
stuff just to attract people from

637
01:22:09,083 --> 01:22:10,333
different regions because why not?

638
01:22:10,375 --> 01:22:13,375
I know like just for North America. So

639
01:22:13,375 --> 01:22:15,166
that's a long it's a lot slurry literally

640
01:22:15,166 --> 01:22:16,750
halfway around the world to get all the

641
01:22:16,750 --> 01:22:19,208
way to order the Sri Lanka is.

642
01:22:19,833 --> 01:22:22,750
But I suppose one thing that we want to

643
01:22:22,750 --> 01:22:26,125
highlight is that is the norm for us in

644
01:22:26,125 --> 01:22:28,250
our part of the world. Right. I mean, all

645
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:30,791
of the shark conferences, the large ones,

646
01:22:31,083 --> 01:22:33,791
a s e a, you know, and

647
01:22:33,791 --> 01:22:35,333
okay, the oceania one as well.

648
01:22:35,333 --> 01:22:39,416
It is a significant distance for us to

649
01:22:39,416 --> 01:22:42,083
travel. And even if one has the funds for

650
01:22:42,083 --> 01:22:44,291
the travel, the bigger challenge for most

651
01:22:44,291 --> 01:22:46,333
participants is visa access.

652
01:22:46,875 --> 01:22:50,416
So for example, getting a visa to the US

653
01:22:50,416 --> 01:22:53,333
or to Europe, it can take usually about

654
01:22:53,333 --> 01:22:55,416
three months for Sri Lankan citizen to

655
01:22:55,416 --> 01:22:58,666
get a visa for those countries. And it

656
01:22:58,666 --> 01:23:00,500
involves, of course, a lot of paperwork,

657
01:23:00,750 --> 01:23:03,458
a lot of time and of

658
01:23:03,458 --> 01:23:05,333
course, also the cost of the visa.

659
01:23:06,333 --> 01:23:09,375
So that's something that changes when you

660
01:23:09,375 --> 01:23:11,083
have it in countries like Sri Lanka, even

661
01:23:11,083 --> 01:23:12,833
though it's perhaps a bit more of a

662
01:23:12,833 --> 01:23:15,833
correct for those in the US and Europe.

663
01:23:16,708 --> 01:23:18,958
It's a destination where you can apply

664
01:23:18,958 --> 01:23:21,208
for an online visa at a relatively low

665
01:23:21,208 --> 01:23:23,083
cost. And it's guaranteed pretty much

666
01:23:23,083 --> 01:23:24,750
everybody. There are only four countries

667
01:23:24,750 --> 01:23:27,250
in the world who have to go through a

668
01:23:27,250 --> 01:23:28,875
slightly different procedure, which we

669
01:23:28,875 --> 01:23:30,500
are able to facilitate as well.

670
01:23:32,333 --> 01:23:34,500
So it really makes it a lot more

671
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:36,583
accessible. And I think that's what we

672
01:23:36,583 --> 01:23:38,250
need to be looking at when we look at

673
01:23:38,250 --> 01:23:40,875
destinations for future conferences.

674
01:23:41,333 --> 01:23:43,791
Yeah. Now you've been you mentioned you'd

675
01:23:43,791 --> 01:23:45,916
been to the which ones have you been to?

676
01:23:45,916 --> 01:23:47,875
Or you're in Brazil. I know. Were you

677
01:23:47,875 --> 01:23:48,708
were you in Durban?

678
01:23:48,916 --> 01:23:49,666
You're in Durban, weren't you?

679
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:50,333
Yeah, I was in Durban as well.

680
01:23:50,333 --> 01:23:52,541
Okay. How about you? Were you in Cairns?

681
01:23:52,541 --> 01:23:54,958
I don't remember. No, no, I didn't think

682
01:23:54,958 --> 01:23:56,416
I was trying to remember which one, which

683
01:23:56,416 --> 01:23:57,625
one you'd been to. I remember I knew

684
01:23:57,625 --> 01:23:59,083
Durban because I knew you. I didn't know

685
01:23:59,083 --> 01:24:00,500
you at Cairns, but I knew you in Durban.

686
01:24:00,708 --> 01:24:03,791
So I remember, I remember there. So when

687
01:24:03,791 --> 01:24:05,666
you when you started like so Michelle

688
01:24:05,666 --> 01:24:07,166
Heifel is kind of the instigator, this

689
01:24:07,166 --> 01:24:10,625
whole thing back in 2010. And was she of

690
01:24:10,625 --> 01:24:11,333
any help to you at all?

691
01:24:12,333 --> 01:24:15,166
Yeah, I mean, we're extremely grateful.

692
01:24:15,875 --> 01:24:18,000
You know, Michelle has always been there

693
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,083
to answer any questions to provide us

694
01:24:20,083 --> 01:24:23,125
advice. Yeah, it's been really

695
01:24:23,125 --> 01:24:24,916
incredible. You know, we've had a good

696
01:24:24,916 --> 01:24:28,458
team of advisors supporting us behind the

697
01:24:28,458 --> 01:24:29,958
scenes. And of course, you know, the

698
01:24:29,958 --> 01:24:32,750
funders whom I mentioned, going beyond

699
01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:34,583
just financially supporting the

700
01:24:34,583 --> 01:24:36,500
conference, but also being there to give

701
01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:39,166
us advice and support with any challenges

702
01:24:39,166 --> 01:24:40,333
that we have faced so far.

703
01:24:41,375 --> 01:24:43,833
Yeah, it's been it's been really nice

704
01:24:43,833 --> 01:24:45,750
working with all of them. So are there

705
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:47,458
any are there any things going on this

706
01:24:47,458 --> 01:24:48,625
year? I know this could be kind of an

707
01:24:48,625 --> 01:24:51,083
inside baseball, as we say, thing, but

708
01:24:51,083 --> 01:24:52,875
are there any neat things you're doing

709
01:24:52,875 --> 01:24:54,458
this year that haven't been done at

710
01:24:54,458 --> 01:24:55,000
previous Sharks

711
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:55,333
International conferences?

712
01:24:55,375 --> 01:24:59,208
Well, that's a good question. I mean, I

713
01:24:59,208 --> 01:25:01,125
would say one thing we're trying this

714
01:25:01,125 --> 01:25:04,375
time is having joined keynote speakers,

715
01:25:04,833 --> 01:25:06,750
and of course, you've interviewed a few

716
01:25:06,750 --> 01:25:09,833
of them already. So instead of sort of

717
01:25:09,833 --> 01:25:12,750
the more typical setup where we have, you

718
01:25:12,750 --> 01:25:14,708
know, one keynote speaker speaking for

719
01:25:14,708 --> 01:25:16,833
about 50 minutes or so, we have two

720
01:25:16,833 --> 01:25:18,666
keynote speakers each speaking for about

721
01:25:18,666 --> 01:25:21,250
25 minutes and then a joint question and

722
01:25:21,250 --> 01:25:23,416
answers. And we were just trying to

723
01:25:23,416 --> 01:25:24,333
figure out sort of pairings that we've been doing.

724
01:25:24,333 --> 01:25:27,000
And so we're just trying to figure out sort of pairings that would complement

725
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,958
each other and talking about similar

726
01:25:28,958 --> 01:25:32,416
topics and, you know, hoping that just

727
01:25:32,416 --> 01:25:35,833
provides a bit bit more of a diverse

728
01:25:35,833 --> 01:25:38,333
perspective to the participants at the

729
01:25:38,333 --> 01:25:41,000
conference and also providing more

730
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,750
opportunities to younger

731
01:25:44,333 --> 01:25:47,583
people to try to put a focus on this. So

732
01:25:47,583 --> 01:25:49,875
it hasn't necessarily always been

733
01:25:49,875 --> 01:25:52,500
established senior scientists giving

734
01:25:52,500 --> 01:25:55,708
keynotes at this conference, but there'll

735
01:25:55,708 --> 01:25:58,333
be quite a few young, relatively early

736
01:25:58,333 --> 01:26:01,375
career researchers giving keynotes, but

737
01:26:01,375 --> 01:26:03,500
doing amazing work, of course, and work

738
01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:06,833
that we felt should receive an

739
01:26:06,833 --> 01:26:10,291
appropriate platform and be able to

740
01:26:10,291 --> 01:26:12,791
represent the amazing initiatives that

741
01:26:12,791 --> 01:26:13,333
they want to take in the different areas.

742
01:26:13,333 --> 01:26:17,916
So I would say that's that's one of the

743
01:26:17,916 --> 01:26:22,791
main changes that we have made. And yeah,

744
01:26:23,166 --> 01:26:25,500
apart from that, we're just hoping that

745
01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:26,666
everything else we put in

746
01:26:26,666 --> 01:26:27,333
place will keep people happy.

747
01:26:27,375 --> 01:26:30,125
Now, you know, I noticed you like

748
01:26:30,125 --> 01:26:32,125
typically when they've done the last

749
01:26:32,125 --> 01:26:33,500
ones, they usually have two days of

750
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:35,333
conference, then Wednesday's sort of an

751
01:26:35,333 --> 01:26:37,958
off day to go sightseeing or do whatever.

752
01:26:38,250 --> 01:26:39,916
And then Monday, Friday, or Thursday,

753
01:26:39,916 --> 01:26:41,833
Friday to finish it off. You pretty much

754
01:26:41,833 --> 01:26:42,916
it's five days full

755
01:26:42,916 --> 01:26:44,041
on this year, correct?

756
01:26:44,916 --> 01:26:46,166
Yeah, we're trying to

757
01:26:46,166 --> 01:26:47,833
push everyone's limits.

758
01:26:49,958 --> 01:26:51,333
You will do that.

759
01:26:52,333 --> 01:26:57,000
Basically, it's just demand. I mean, you

760
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,875
know, we are initial plan was to do

761
01:26:58,875 --> 01:27:01,166
exactly what you pointed out, you know, I

762
01:27:01,166 --> 01:27:03,041
probably have a graph schedule from a

763
01:27:03,041 --> 01:27:07,000
year ago, which had two parallel sessions

764
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:08,833
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday,

765
01:27:09,583 --> 01:27:13,416
Friday, and already made last year we

766
01:27:13,416 --> 01:27:15,083
started hearing that, you know, numbers

767
01:27:15,083 --> 01:27:17,750
might be a little bit higher than, you

768
01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:18,333
know, the previous

769
01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:19,333
conference, so just be prepared.

770
01:27:19,333 --> 01:27:22,541
So we thought, okay, worst case, we can

771
01:27:22,541 --> 01:27:24,583
just ditch the Wednesday and you know,

772
01:27:24,583 --> 01:27:26,458
that will add on another whole day of

773
01:27:26,458 --> 01:27:29,708
talks. And then, yeah, the abstract

774
01:27:29,708 --> 01:27:34,125
submission deadline came and as all of us

775
01:27:34,125 --> 01:27:36,125
do, everybody submitted

776
01:27:36,125 --> 01:27:37,708
at the very last minute.

777
01:27:37,708 --> 01:27:37,916
Yep.

778
01:27:39,291 --> 01:27:39,333
Very typical.

779
01:27:39,333 --> 01:27:44,375
Yeah. And I think that, that, you know,

780
01:27:44,375 --> 01:27:46,041
people don't really understand how

781
01:27:46,041 --> 01:27:48,833
challenging it is for organizers to plan

782
01:27:48,833 --> 01:27:51,583
for something where we have no clue how

783
01:27:51,583 --> 01:27:53,291
many people are going to come how many

784
01:27:53,291 --> 01:27:55,041
people are going to submit abstracts.

785
01:27:55,916 --> 01:27:57,625
You know, how large a whole do we need do

786
01:27:57,625 --> 01:28:00,250
we need a space for 500 people 1000 500

787
01:28:00,250 --> 01:28:04,000
zero information until pretty much the

788
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,958
last year of abstract submission

789
01:28:05,958 --> 01:28:08,833
deadline, when the numbers just like

790
01:28:08,833 --> 01:28:11,500
pretty much double from what we expected.

791
01:28:12,375 --> 01:28:14,708
So then it was a lot of frantic last

792
01:28:14,708 --> 01:28:18,083
minute fundraising trying to figure out

793
01:28:18,083 --> 01:28:19,916
how we can maximize time in the schedule.

794
01:28:20,166 --> 01:28:22,125
So, of course, the day in the middle of

795
01:28:22,125 --> 01:28:25,375
the contract, and we managed to add on an

796
01:28:25,375 --> 01:28:27,458
additional hall as well for four of the

797
01:28:27,458 --> 01:28:30,666
five days of conference, which, you know,

798
01:28:30,666 --> 01:28:33,250
is is a significant cost because you can

799
01:28:33,250 --> 01:28:35,875
pay for the menu or your visual all of

800
01:28:35,875 --> 01:28:37,791
these, you know,

801
01:28:37,791 --> 01:28:39,333
requirements for a good conference.

802
01:28:39,375 --> 01:28:42,166
And yeah, it was challenging, but I think

803
01:28:42,166 --> 01:28:44,000
we managed to put it together.

804
01:28:44,791 --> 01:28:47,375
Yeah. Well, I know some of your team team

805
01:28:47,375 --> 01:28:49,000
members there and I know they're, they're

806
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,750
pretty switched on people know what

807
01:28:50,750 --> 01:28:52,458
they're doing. So, so that's a good

808
01:28:52,458 --> 01:28:53,875
that's good for you. You had

809
01:28:53,875 --> 01:28:55,375
some people you got team there.

810
01:28:55,375 --> 01:28:56,291
The one at least the ones I know are

811
01:28:56,291 --> 01:28:57,708
really good. I don't know all of them.

812
01:28:57,708 --> 01:29:00,541
But so, so with so you, so do you have

813
01:29:00,541 --> 01:29:03,125
any like special event evening events

814
01:29:03,125 --> 01:29:04,333
coming up we should be aware of.

815
01:29:05,333 --> 01:29:07,916
Yeah. So on the on Sunday, the third, the

816
01:29:07,916 --> 01:29:09,458
day before the conference will be having

817
01:29:09,458 --> 01:29:12,000
an opening reception, which is largely

818
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,041
being supported by

819
01:29:13,041 --> 01:29:14,291
the services foundation.

820
01:29:15,416 --> 01:29:17,541
And, yeah, we, you know, that's just an

821
01:29:17,541 --> 01:29:20,333
informal event for everybody to get

822
01:29:20,333 --> 01:29:23,791
together, find old friends again and have

823
01:29:23,791 --> 01:29:25,750
a relaxed evening before one gets into

824
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:28,750
the brunt of the conference from the

825
01:29:28,750 --> 01:29:29,708
following morning onwards.

826
01:29:30,375 --> 01:29:32,500
And then on the Tuesday evening, there'll

827
01:29:32,500 --> 01:29:35,166
be a student night as well. So that would

828
01:29:35,166 --> 01:29:38,041
be pretty much exclusively for students,

829
01:29:38,291 --> 01:29:42,875
but hopefully a few invited senior

830
01:29:42,875 --> 01:29:45,416
scientists to come and go up in so that

831
01:29:45,416 --> 01:29:48,625
students have opportunities to mingle and

832
01:29:48,625 --> 01:29:50,916
interact and engage with a few senior

833
01:29:50,916 --> 01:29:51,500
scientists and

834
01:29:51,500 --> 01:29:53,250
potentially some funders as well.

835
01:29:54,291 --> 01:29:56,166
So that's one thing that we are still

836
01:29:56,166 --> 01:29:57,666
finalizing and putting together.

837
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,250
And then of course, the big party at the

838
01:30:02,250 --> 01:30:04,000
end of it, the galagena on the Friday

839
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,583
night so that everybody can reminisce on

840
01:30:07,583 --> 01:30:10,708
the about the whole conference and yeah,

841
01:30:11,333 --> 01:30:12,625
start to say goodbye.

842
01:30:13,458 --> 01:30:15,541
Yeah, then you're off the hook at that

843
01:30:15,541 --> 01:30:17,708
point, I think right after Friday night.

844
01:30:17,708 --> 01:30:21,166
Yeah, mostly. I mean, there's still quite

845
01:30:21,166 --> 01:30:23,083
a few workshops happening.

846
01:30:23,083 --> 01:30:23,291
Oh, that's right.

847
01:30:23,333 --> 01:30:27,458
Yeah, tell us a little bit about I know

848
01:30:27,458 --> 01:30:29,458
the weekend before the second and the

849
01:30:29,458 --> 01:30:31,625
third and then the ninth and 10th you

850
01:30:31,625 --> 01:30:33,791
have some workshops going on. Could you

851
01:30:33,791 --> 01:30:34,666
talk a little bit about those?

852
01:30:35,666 --> 01:30:38,125
Yeah, so I think there are about 20

853
01:30:38,125 --> 01:30:40,000
workshops that are taking place and

854
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,041
again, probably one of the highest

855
01:30:42,041 --> 01:30:44,416
numbers of workshops that we had at one

856
01:30:44,416 --> 01:30:46,000
of the sharks international conferences.

857
01:30:47,333 --> 01:30:51,000
I think I think one of the things we

858
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,041
yeah, actually something else that we

859
01:30:53,041 --> 01:30:55,000
perhaps get a bit differently to previous

860
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,500
versions was having an open call just

861
01:30:58,500 --> 01:31:00,708
over a year ago now where we invited

862
01:31:00,708 --> 01:31:04,041
ideas for anybody who wanted to run

863
01:31:04,041 --> 01:31:06,250
workshops, anybody that wanted to run

864
01:31:06,250 --> 01:31:07,875
side events because we also having side

865
01:31:07,875 --> 01:31:09,583
events that take place at the lunch

866
01:31:09,583 --> 01:31:11,833
breaks and in the evenings during the

867
01:31:11,833 --> 01:31:12,333
week of the conference.

868
01:31:12,583 --> 01:31:17,250
And also for individuals to propose any

869
01:31:17,250 --> 01:31:18,541
sessions that they feel should be

870
01:31:18,541 --> 01:31:19,541
incorporated into the

871
01:31:19,541 --> 01:31:20,541
schedule of the conference.

872
01:31:21,958 --> 01:31:25,708
And this has helped sort of create a

873
01:31:25,708 --> 01:31:28,291
slightly different version of sharks

874
01:31:28,291 --> 01:31:30,583
international where we had a lot more

875
01:31:30,583 --> 01:31:33,250
workshops being proposed than previously.

876
01:31:34,333 --> 01:31:36,416
And because of the high number of

877
01:31:36,416 --> 01:31:38,916
participants, it was, you know, I think

878
01:31:38,916 --> 01:31:41,166
all of the workshops are oversubscribed

879
01:31:41,166 --> 01:31:44,208
and challenging and are being challenged

880
01:31:44,208 --> 01:31:45,541
to make their short

881
01:31:45,541 --> 01:31:46,541
lists of participants.

882
01:31:48,333 --> 01:31:51,208
Yeah, I think it's going to be a busy

883
01:31:51,208 --> 01:31:54,500
weekend before and after the conference.

884
01:31:55,166 --> 01:31:57,625
So yeah, for those who are attending

885
01:31:57,625 --> 01:32:00,250
workshops before and after the conference

886
01:32:00,250 --> 01:32:01,000
and going through

887
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:02,000
five days of conference.

888
01:32:02,375 --> 01:32:03,416
I wish you all good luck.

889
01:32:04,125 --> 01:32:05,625
Yeah, you're not going

890
01:32:05,625 --> 01:32:06,333
to be at all of those.

891
01:32:07,333 --> 01:32:10,875
But I'll be I'll be running around

892
01:32:10,875 --> 01:32:13,041
probably sorting out a me and finding a

893
01:32:13,041 --> 01:32:14,708
chair for somebody who needs it.

894
01:32:14,708 --> 01:32:16,583
I'm sure there'll be also to further

895
01:32:16,583 --> 01:32:19,000
logistical hurdles that actually will

896
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,166
have to overcome that short notice.

897
01:32:21,916 --> 01:32:23,500
Yeah, I was kind of surprised because I

898
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:26,500
know like I I just I just for this thing

899
01:32:26,500 --> 01:32:27,875
because it's every four years of Sharks

900
01:32:27,875 --> 01:32:29,875
International just like showing up and I

901
01:32:29,875 --> 01:32:32,041
see people there that like yourself and I

902
01:32:32,041 --> 01:32:33,333
only see you guys that like usually

903
01:32:33,333 --> 01:32:34,250
Sharks International

904
01:32:34,250 --> 01:32:35,333
most most of the time.

905
01:32:35,375 --> 01:32:37,041
Maybe once in a while see in between

906
01:32:37,041 --> 01:32:38,750
that. So like I just want to run around

907
01:32:38,750 --> 01:32:40,708
catch up with people have a coffee or

908
01:32:40,708 --> 01:32:43,541
something to drink. And so I see I want

909
01:32:43,541 --> 01:32:45,833
to sit in a workshop for like eight hours

910
01:32:45,833 --> 01:32:47,916
and for four hours and like,

911
01:32:47,916 --> 01:32:49,833
you know, but that's just me.

912
01:32:50,083 --> 01:32:52,125
So I just rather. Yeah, I mean, it

913
01:32:52,125 --> 01:32:54,541
provides again opportunities for people.

914
01:32:54,791 --> 01:32:57,375
You know, we're having. Yeah, I mean, I'm

915
01:32:57,375 --> 01:32:58,750
not going to list any particular

916
01:32:58,750 --> 01:32:59,958
workshops and all of them

917
01:32:59,958 --> 01:33:01,333
sound pretty amazing to me.

918
01:33:01,375 --> 01:33:03,791
And if I had the time, I would actually

919
01:33:03,791 --> 01:33:06,666
participate in quite a few of them. But I

920
01:33:06,666 --> 01:33:08,250
think it's it's an amazing opportunity,

921
01:33:08,250 --> 01:33:10,541
particularly for early career researchers

922
01:33:10,541 --> 01:33:13,208
to participate in some of these.

923
01:33:13,916 --> 01:33:15,583
Yeah, no, I say don't get me wrong.

924
01:33:15,583 --> 01:33:17,125
There's some really there's some that are

925
01:33:17,125 --> 01:33:19,000
really interesting. And I thought about

926
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,041
myself as like, no, I'm just gonna be

927
01:33:21,041 --> 01:33:23,083
blabbing the whole time with people.

928
01:33:23,083 --> 01:33:25,000
I just know how it's going to go. But but

929
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:25,750
no, there are some really

930
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:26,333
amazing workshops there.

931
01:33:27,333 --> 01:33:30,166
And and actually, the reason why we also

932
01:33:30,166 --> 01:33:33,541
having side events, you know, it just

933
01:33:33,541 --> 01:33:35,416
kind of provides a few more opportunities

934
01:33:35,416 --> 01:33:38,000
for people to engage on on different

935
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,500
topics, but also to try and create a bit

936
01:33:41,500 --> 01:33:44,333
more policy meeting wide.

937
01:33:44,375 --> 01:33:47,000
And I think, you know, one of our goals

938
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,500
at this particular iteration of sharks

939
01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:51,583
international has been to ensure that

940
01:33:51,583 --> 01:33:54,208
both science and policy

941
01:33:54,208 --> 01:33:56,416
kind of mixes a bit more.

942
01:33:56,416 --> 01:33:57,875
And I think, you know, traditionally,

943
01:33:57,875 --> 01:33:59,666
there has always been a little bit of a

944
01:33:59,666 --> 01:34:02,541
gap, which causes challenges because, of

945
01:34:02,541 --> 01:34:04,916
course, a lot of the work that we do

946
01:34:04,916 --> 01:34:07,625
ideally, at least in my opinion, should

947
01:34:07,625 --> 01:34:09,666
translate into some sort of effective

948
01:34:09,666 --> 01:34:10,958
management that helps

949
01:34:10,958 --> 01:34:12,333
protect these species.

950
01:34:12,333 --> 01:34:14,875
Because, you know, as we know, sharks and

951
01:34:14,875 --> 01:34:16,541
rays are facing significant global

952
01:34:16,541 --> 01:34:18,000
threats. And if you don't do something

953
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,000
about it now, as researchers, as

954
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,666
scientists, we may not have some of these

955
01:34:22,666 --> 01:34:24,458
species to study in the near future.

956
01:34:25,125 --> 01:34:26,833
So we really need to be thinking about

957
01:34:26,833 --> 01:34:29,583
that and understanding that a lot of this

958
01:34:29,583 --> 01:34:31,708
policy work that takes place is critical.

959
01:34:31,708 --> 01:34:33,708
And we have to figure out ways to be able

960
01:34:33,708 --> 01:34:35,791
to communicate with these policymakers to

961
01:34:35,791 --> 01:34:38,041
bring about more effective management.

962
01:34:39,041 --> 01:34:42,083
And in addition to sort of in addition to

963
01:34:42,083 --> 01:34:43,500
certain sessions that are, of course,

964
01:34:43,666 --> 01:34:45,416
quite policy focused at the conference,

965
01:34:45,666 --> 01:34:47,291
we wanted to have these side events that

966
01:34:47,291 --> 01:34:49,666
take place, which is a typical structure

967
01:34:49,666 --> 01:34:51,791
for policy meetings where, you know,

968
01:34:51,791 --> 01:34:54,500
you're in discussions the entire day, but

969
01:34:54,500 --> 01:34:56,416
also during your lunch breaks that there

970
01:34:56,416 --> 01:34:58,000
are events happening that you can quickly

971
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,375
pop into and get get a bit more exposure

972
01:35:00,375 --> 01:35:02,333
to different ideas and personal gifts.

973
01:35:03,500 --> 01:35:05,875
So, yeah, it'll be it'll be full on, but

974
01:35:05,875 --> 01:35:08,083
I think we'll ensure that there are

975
01:35:08,083 --> 01:35:09,833
plenty of breaks in between the

976
01:35:09,833 --> 01:35:12,541
conference that allows for time for

977
01:35:12,541 --> 01:35:16,041
people to mingle and a lot of, you know,

978
01:35:16,041 --> 01:35:18,583
the particularly a lot of the side events

979
01:35:18,583 --> 01:35:21,125
taking place in the evening are meant to

980
01:35:21,125 --> 01:35:22,791
be informal mixes

981
01:35:22,791 --> 01:35:24,791
opportunities for people to engage.

982
01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:27,666
So, you know, the moment sessions and

983
01:35:27,666 --> 01:35:29,666
people don't need to head off back to

984
01:35:29,666 --> 01:35:32,083
their hotels, but they can actually hang

985
01:35:32,083 --> 01:35:35,291
around a bit and and have hopefully a

986
01:35:35,291 --> 01:35:36,333
small snack and a drink

987
01:35:36,333 --> 01:35:38,250
and engage with colleagues.

988
01:35:39,208 --> 01:35:41,458
Yeah, that's great. That's great. So and

989
01:35:41,458 --> 01:35:44,125
so yet so the meetings, the workshops are

990
01:35:44,125 --> 01:35:47,291
going to be on the May 2 and 3 and on the

991
01:35:47,291 --> 01:35:49,083
9th and 10th of May, just the weekend

992
01:35:49,083 --> 01:35:50,375
before and after and the actual

993
01:35:50,375 --> 01:35:52,250
conference will be from May

994
01:35:52,250 --> 01:35:54,208
4 to 8 from Monday to Friday.

995
01:35:54,375 --> 01:35:57,000
And this will be up airing the show on

996
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,791
the 4th of May and we'll also be running

997
01:35:58,791 --> 01:36:02,291
the number of the the keynote speakers

998
01:36:02,291 --> 01:36:04,500
we've had on and just so people know

999
01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:07,041
there's 10 keynote speakers and six of

1000
01:36:07,041 --> 01:36:08,500
have been on the podcast before.

1001
01:36:08,750 --> 01:36:10,375
So we picked the four younger ones who

1002
01:36:10,375 --> 01:36:12,875
have not been on there before. And if you

1003
01:36:12,875 --> 01:36:14,500
haven't and they're going to be leading

1004
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:15,333
up to the conference, or you haven't.

1005
01:36:16,333 --> 01:36:17,916
They are familiar with these people. You

1006
01:36:17,916 --> 01:36:19,500
definitely want to catch these podcasts.

1007
01:36:19,791 --> 01:36:21,625
Oh, they're leaders of the day. That's

1008
01:36:21,625 --> 01:36:23,333
for sure. Definitely. Yeah. Future

1009
01:36:23,333 --> 01:36:25,333
leaders. Yeah. And we'll be running the

1010
01:36:25,333 --> 01:36:26,625
it will be running them all

1011
01:36:26,625 --> 01:36:28,000
during this week here as well.

1012
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,416
Trying to promote them. So we'll

1013
01:36:30,416 --> 01:36:32,333
hopefully be able to get it out there and

1014
01:36:32,333 --> 01:36:34,083
get to know some of these young people

1015
01:36:34,083 --> 01:36:36,125
out there. And if you know some of the

1016
01:36:36,125 --> 01:36:37,791
other people like Guy Stevens and Sarah

1017
01:36:37,791 --> 01:36:38,333
Fowler have been around for a while.

1018
01:36:38,333 --> 01:36:40,791
Just go up and say hi to them. They've

1019
01:36:40,791 --> 01:36:43,125
been on the podcast a few times before.

1020
01:36:43,583 --> 01:36:46,541
And anyway, Daniel is really nice. I

1021
01:36:46,541 --> 01:36:48,791
know. Before we do that, I have a

1022
01:36:48,791 --> 01:36:51,250
question. Sure. There's a lot of people

1023
01:36:51,250 --> 01:36:53,916
who listen to the podcast that may or may

1024
01:36:53,916 --> 01:36:55,875
not be going to the conference.

1025
01:36:55,875 --> 01:36:57,541
It may or may not be their first time.

1026
01:36:57,541 --> 01:36:58,375
Obviously, it's going to be a lot of

1027
01:36:58,375 --> 01:36:59,583
people's first time just because the

1028
01:36:59,583 --> 01:37:01,916
growth of it. What would you recommend?

1029
01:37:01,916 --> 01:37:03,208
We always ask like at the end of the

1030
01:37:03,208 --> 01:37:05,125
podcast each episode, like what would you

1031
01:37:05,125 --> 01:37:07,125
recommend for people to get into the into

1032
01:37:07,125 --> 01:37:07,333
sort of like, show them what they want to do.

1033
01:37:07,375 --> 01:37:09,541
Sort of like shark conservation, shark

1034
01:37:09,541 --> 01:37:12,166
science. But for this one, I would love

1035
01:37:12,166 --> 01:37:13,500
to ask you, like, what would you

1036
01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:16,250
recommend people do when they come to

1037
01:37:16,250 --> 01:37:18,291
conferences? Like, you know, obviously we

1038
01:37:18,291 --> 01:37:20,041
want a lot of interaction with different

1039
01:37:20,041 --> 01:37:22,000
people. But, you know, that's that's a

1040
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:23,333
tough thing to do for a lot of people.

1041
01:37:23,333 --> 01:37:25,708
You know, either they're introverted or

1042
01:37:25,708 --> 01:37:27,625
they're a little shy when they when they

1043
01:37:27,625 --> 01:37:29,125
go up to people. Some of these people

1044
01:37:29,125 --> 01:37:30,833
like Dave and stuff have been in the game

1045
01:37:30,833 --> 01:37:32,125
for a long time. People know who they

1046
01:37:32,125 --> 01:37:33,291
are. They've even listened on the

1047
01:37:33,291 --> 01:37:35,125
podcast. They may they may not feel

1048
01:37:35,125 --> 01:37:37,791
comfortable going up to someone of his

1049
01:37:37,791 --> 01:37:39,583
stature. Obviously, Dave's a really laid

1050
01:37:39,583 --> 01:37:41,291
back guy. So I recommend anybody do that.

1051
01:37:41,291 --> 01:37:42,833
But what would you recommend for people

1052
01:37:42,833 --> 01:37:45,500
when they come to a conference and how

1053
01:37:45,500 --> 01:37:47,458
would you expect them to interact? Or

1054
01:37:47,458 --> 01:37:48,208
what would you hope that

1055
01:37:48,208 --> 01:37:49,333
they get out of the conference?

1056
01:37:50,666 --> 01:37:52,875
That's a great question, actually. And

1057
01:37:52,875 --> 01:37:56,041
what I would say, I mean, first of all,

1058
01:37:56,041 --> 01:37:58,125
to those who are giving presentations,

1059
01:37:59,541 --> 01:38:02,166
you know, it's you have a very limited

1060
01:38:02,166 --> 01:38:04,041
time to give a presentation, whether it's

1061
01:38:04,041 --> 01:38:06,875
a speak talk or a talk or even the poster

1062
01:38:06,875 --> 01:38:08,958
that you will be, you know, standing in

1063
01:38:08,958 --> 01:38:10,125
front of and giving a

1064
01:38:10,125 --> 01:38:11,333
presentation to all those that come by.

1065
01:38:11,333 --> 01:38:13,958
Actually, the post has had a slightly

1066
01:38:13,958 --> 01:38:16,500
larger advantage because you have a lot

1067
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:18,125
more time to actually engage with

1068
01:38:18,125 --> 01:38:21,000
individuals than a speed or a guilt talk.

1069
01:38:22,250 --> 01:38:26,791
But what I would suggest is keep things

1070
01:38:26,791 --> 01:38:29,291
simple because we, you know, even though

1071
01:38:29,291 --> 01:38:31,000
we are all, of course, familiar with

1072
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:32,000
sharks and rays, we

1073
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,083
work in very niche areas.

1074
01:38:35,333 --> 01:38:37,541
And I think trying to keep your

1075
01:38:37,541 --> 01:38:40,833
presentations as general and as simple as

1076
01:38:40,833 --> 01:38:43,208
possible is always quite beneficial. I

1077
01:38:43,208 --> 01:38:46,000
find because it allows a lot more people

1078
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,250
to engage and to understand what you're

1079
01:38:48,250 --> 01:38:52,541
saying. And this then leads to what I

1080
01:38:52,541 --> 01:38:54,625
find the most important part of a

1081
01:38:54,625 --> 01:38:56,791
conference, which is the networking and

1082
01:38:56,791 --> 01:38:58,875
the engaging that wonders on the on the

1083
01:38:58,875 --> 01:39:00,000
sidelines of these meetings.

1084
01:39:01,166 --> 01:39:02,583
And this is important, whether you're

1085
01:39:02,583 --> 01:39:05,500
giving a presentation, a poster or you

1086
01:39:05,500 --> 01:39:08,666
just can observe at the conference. It's

1087
01:39:08,666 --> 01:39:11,708
finding, you know, making new friends,

1088
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,750
building new networks, establishing these

1089
01:39:14,750 --> 01:39:16,125
potential collaborations.

1090
01:39:16,333 --> 01:39:20,791
That is that is what's most important for

1091
01:39:20,791 --> 01:39:24,333
these conferences. And this is why, you

1092
01:39:24,333 --> 01:39:26,708
know, we were quite insistent on ensuring

1093
01:39:26,708 --> 01:39:28,375
that this remains an in-person

1094
01:39:28,375 --> 01:39:30,416
conference. There are lots of moves

1095
01:39:30,416 --> 01:39:32,250
lately to try and push for virtual

1096
01:39:32,250 --> 01:39:33,333
opportunities and all.

1097
01:39:33,333 --> 01:39:35,500
And while we recognize the importance of

1098
01:39:35,500 --> 01:39:37,250
virtual attendance at such meetings,

1099
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:41,291
you're really losing a lot of the soul of

1100
01:39:41,291 --> 01:39:43,708
the intention of these conferences, which

1101
01:39:43,708 --> 01:39:46,541
is to engage with people on the sidelines

1102
01:39:46,541 --> 01:39:47,750
of the actual talks.

1103
01:39:48,875 --> 01:39:50,958
And, you know, with respect to what you

1104
01:39:50,958 --> 01:39:53,208
were saying, it can be intimidating

1105
01:39:53,208 --> 01:39:57,666
speaking to senior scientists and I mean,

1106
01:39:57,666 --> 01:39:59,208
researchers who have been around for a

1107
01:39:59,208 --> 01:39:59,958
very long time,

1108
01:40:00,208 --> 01:40:01,333
they've included of course.

1109
01:40:02,041 --> 01:40:04,625
But in my experience so far, everybody

1110
01:40:04,625 --> 01:40:08,000
has been incredibly nice, patient and

1111
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,333
happy to talk. And I think that's one of

1112
01:40:11,333 --> 01:40:14,208
the amazing things. And and it's

1113
01:40:14,208 --> 01:40:19,000
something that is quite different to, I

1114
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,541
would say, a lot more traditional

1115
01:40:20,541 --> 01:40:22,500
cultures that we have, particularly in

1116
01:40:22,500 --> 01:40:24,333
Asia and the educational sector, where

1117
01:40:24,375 --> 01:40:27,333
there is quite a lot of separation

1118
01:40:27,333 --> 01:40:30,041
between you as a student or early career

1119
01:40:30,041 --> 01:40:32,083
researcher and somebody who's quite

1120
01:40:32,083 --> 01:40:36,750
senior in the field. I feel that kind of

1121
01:40:36,750 --> 01:40:38,500
evaporates to some

1122
01:40:38,500 --> 01:40:40,041
extent at conferences like

1123
01:40:53,291 --> 01:40:55,416
Google, just like you are. And honestly,

1124
01:40:55,416 --> 01:40:58,208
in my experience, I've never had a senior

1125
01:40:58,208 --> 01:41:00,875
scientist, you know, refuse to talk to

1126
01:41:00,875 --> 01:41:02,583
me. They've always been extremely open

1127
01:41:02,583 --> 01:41:05,166
and patient. And of course, you know,

1128
01:41:05,166 --> 01:41:07,083
really appreciative to all of those that

1129
01:41:07,083 --> 01:41:10,000
make time to go around and speak with

1130
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,625
everybody. But yeah, don't be scared. And

1131
01:41:12,625 --> 01:41:15,500
you're not alone if you're feeling

1132
01:41:15,500 --> 01:41:16,791
intimidated. Everybody

1133
01:41:16,791 --> 01:41:18,291
does at some point or another.

1134
01:41:18,291 --> 01:41:22,291
Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah.

1135
01:41:22,666 --> 01:41:26,125
Well, great. Well, Daniel, thanks a lot

1136
01:41:26,125 --> 01:41:28,083
for coming on and sharing this and we

1137
01:41:28,083 --> 01:41:29,541
hope everybody gets a chance to check it

1138
01:41:29,541 --> 01:41:31,083
out. I know most people won't be able to

1139
01:41:31,083 --> 01:41:33,000
make it there, but you are going to have

1140
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:34,583
quite a quite a quite a crowd there,

1141
01:41:34,583 --> 01:41:37,416
though. And but you can follow on. Check

1142
01:41:37,416 --> 01:41:39,291
out this episode and the other episodes

1143
01:41:39,291 --> 01:41:42,291
from the Beyond Jaws podcast for Sharks

1144
01:41:42,291 --> 01:41:44,916
International. And Daniel, thanks very

1145
01:41:44,916 --> 01:41:46,791
much for staying up late

1146
01:41:46,791 --> 01:41:47,291
because I know the time zone.

1147
01:41:47,291 --> 01:41:50,416
Quite a bit different from California to

1148
01:41:50,416 --> 01:41:54,000
Sri Lanka. So appreciate it. And I guess

1149
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:55,625
I'll be seeing you in about a month or so

1150
01:41:55,625 --> 01:41:58,041
or a few weeks, actually. And I'll

1151
01:41:58,041 --> 01:41:59,291
definitely look forward to catching up in

1152
01:41:59,291 --> 01:42:01,208
person with you. Thanks again. Yeah, I

1153
01:42:01,208 --> 01:42:03,125
look forward to look forward to seeing

1154
01:42:03,125 --> 01:42:05,166
you again and to everybody else who's

1155
01:42:05,166 --> 01:42:07,083
coming to their conference. And thank you

1156
01:42:07,083 --> 01:42:09,833
so much for having me on here again. It's

1157
01:42:09,833 --> 01:42:13,041
a pleasure as always. And yeah, look

1158
01:42:13,041 --> 01:42:14,208
forward to another time

1159
01:42:14,208 --> 01:42:15,291
in the future, hopefully.

1160
01:42:15,541 --> 01:42:17,000
Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. We'll

1161
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:18,250
definitely have you back on. Well, maybe

1162
01:42:18,250 --> 01:42:20,208
get the debrief after the conference to

1163
01:42:20,208 --> 01:42:22,208
see how everything went after you relax

1164
01:42:22,208 --> 01:42:26,291
for a bit. And we'll just. Yeah. Thank

1165
01:42:26,291 --> 01:42:29,583
you so much, Daniel. We appreciate it.

1166
01:42:29,875 --> 01:42:32,166
All right. Thank you, Daniel, for joining

1167
01:42:32,166 --> 01:42:34,000
us here on the Beyond Jaws podcast. It

1168
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,083
was great to be able to talk to you about

1169
01:42:36,083 --> 01:42:38,625
Sharks International. Love the advice at

1170
01:42:38,625 --> 01:42:40,583
the end, Dave, you know, talking about

1171
01:42:40,583 --> 01:42:43,791
what to do, what to expect. A lot of me

1172
01:42:43,791 --> 01:42:44,291
first timers to Sharks International.

1173
01:42:44,333 --> 01:42:48,416
Maybe first timers students in students

1174
01:42:48,416 --> 01:42:50,625
ways or even other professionals who are

1175
01:42:50,625 --> 01:42:52,083
going to a conference for the first time

1176
01:42:52,083 --> 01:42:53,250
in this magnitude, just because it's

1177
01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:54,958
easier to get to. And we talked a little

1178
01:42:54,958 --> 01:42:56,833
bit about access before we put the

1179
01:42:56,833 --> 01:42:58,750
interview with Daniel. Daniel mentioned a

1180
01:42:58,750 --> 01:43:00,333
lot about access with countries who never

1181
01:43:00,333 --> 01:43:02,791
really had access to go to these types of

1182
01:43:02,791 --> 01:43:05,958
conferences. Almost 800 people to go to

1183
01:43:05,958 --> 01:43:06,916
go to this conference, which is

1184
01:43:06,916 --> 01:43:09,500
absolutely phenomenal. So, you know,

1185
01:43:09,500 --> 01:43:11,375
like, what are your thoughts for you,

1186
01:43:11,375 --> 01:43:14,291
Dave? Like, going back to your stage, you know, like, what are your thoughts on the

1187
01:43:14,291 --> 01:43:16,916
student days, you know, like, and young

1188
01:43:16,916 --> 01:43:18,750
professional days going to conferences?

1189
01:43:19,625 --> 01:43:23,250
What would you recommend people do when

1190
01:43:23,250 --> 01:43:25,208
you when you when they get there and how

1191
01:43:25,208 --> 01:43:27,666
to like sort of interact so they get the

1192
01:43:27,666 --> 01:43:30,125
full experience of a conference like

1193
01:43:30,125 --> 01:43:31,875
this? I would I was I was real fortunate

1194
01:43:31,875 --> 01:43:34,125
when I started going. My professor for my

1195
01:43:34,125 --> 01:43:36,500
master's Greg Caille. He was terrific at

1196
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:38,333
this introducing you to people, like

1197
01:43:38,333 --> 01:43:39,958
established people. You know, the

1198
01:43:39,958 --> 01:43:40,875
students you're going to meet other

1199
01:43:40,875 --> 01:43:42,291
students there. That's not a

1200
01:43:42,291 --> 01:43:43,750
big thing. And I was. Yeah.

1201
01:43:44,166 --> 01:43:45,250
And I always tell students, like if

1202
01:43:45,250 --> 01:43:46,333
you're especially if you're looking for a

1203
01:43:46,333 --> 01:43:48,291
graduate program or something, go to one

1204
01:43:48,291 --> 01:43:49,666
of these conferences, like especially

1205
01:43:49,666 --> 01:43:51,000
like Sharks International, if you're

1206
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:52,708
going to do that or whether it's an

1207
01:43:52,708 --> 01:43:54,458
American allows a rank society or

1208
01:43:54,458 --> 01:43:56,041
Oceania, Condry, the end or a because

1209
01:43:56,041 --> 01:43:59,833
literally like most everybody's there.

1210
01:43:59,833 --> 01:44:01,666
You'd want to meet in the field. Right.

1211
01:44:02,291 --> 01:44:05,500
And and it is it Daniel said during the

1212
01:44:05,500 --> 01:44:07,125
interview is like most everybody's

1213
01:44:07,125 --> 01:44:09,291
pretty, you know, pretty laid back,

1214
01:44:09,291 --> 01:44:10,750
pretty chilled. You know, you can go up

1215
01:44:10,750 --> 01:44:11,166
and introduce

1216
01:44:11,166 --> 01:44:12,375
yourself and talk with them.

1217
01:44:12,416 --> 01:44:14,000
And you'll find most people are very

1218
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,583
approachable. Yeah. And, you know, I know

1219
01:44:16,583 --> 01:44:17,916
he's you know, he's going to try it. I

1220
01:44:17,916 --> 01:44:19,208
know Dan was trying to organize a student

1221
01:44:19,208 --> 01:44:20,500
is going to have a student night there

1222
01:44:20,500 --> 01:44:21,166
and try and have some

1223
01:44:21,166 --> 01:44:22,458
professionals go there.

1224
01:44:22,458 --> 01:44:24,958
But but yeah, just go up and introduce

1225
01:44:24,958 --> 01:44:27,791
yourself to people. And, you know, we see

1226
01:44:27,791 --> 01:44:29,333
someone there, whether it's me or some of

1227
01:44:29,333 --> 01:44:31,125
the other people there were just, you

1228
01:44:31,125 --> 01:44:32,500
know, or just it's a good it's a good

1229
01:44:32,500 --> 01:44:34,750
it's a good environment to network and to

1230
01:44:34,750 --> 01:44:35,750
get to know people there.

1231
01:44:35,791 --> 01:44:36,875
Absolutely. You know, whether whether

1232
01:44:36,875 --> 01:44:38,458
you're looking for a graduate program or

1233
01:44:38,458 --> 01:44:39,833
whether you just want to get to meet

1234
01:44:39,833 --> 01:44:41,916
people. I remember when I started out,

1235
01:44:41,916 --> 01:44:43,500
that was, you know, my first few

1236
01:44:43,500 --> 01:44:45,083
conferences when I just a young person,

1237
01:44:45,083 --> 01:44:47,625
you know, some of the conference, I said

1238
01:44:47,625 --> 01:44:49,166
somebody will have to tell you a story

1239
01:44:49,166 --> 01:44:51,166
about the first White Shark conference

1240
01:44:51,166 --> 01:44:55,375
they had in California in 1983 that they

1241
01:44:55,375 --> 01:44:57,041
ended up having a I'm going off on a

1242
01:44:57,041 --> 01:44:58,125
tangent here, but I just got to show.

1243
01:44:58,208 --> 01:45:00,958
They ended up some for some reason. I was

1244
01:45:00,958 --> 01:45:03,416
just like just literally starting out. We

1245
01:45:03,416 --> 01:45:05,708
ended up having this party in my hotel

1246
01:45:05,708 --> 01:45:08,833
room and had all the all the big names in

1247
01:45:08,833 --> 01:45:11,000
the field at the time. Leonard Campagno,

1248
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,000
Jack Casey, Frank Carey. I mean, just

1249
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,208
West. I mean, just goes on and on the

1250
01:45:16,208 --> 01:45:17,083
whole is Shelly Apple.

1251
01:45:17,208 --> 01:45:21,500
And anyway, that night turned out like I

1252
01:45:21,500 --> 01:45:22,958
ended up talking with Leonard Capagno a

1253
01:45:22,958 --> 01:45:24,541
lot that night and I ended up becoming

1254
01:45:24,541 --> 01:45:26,625
his PhD student a few years later when

1255
01:45:26,625 --> 01:45:28,500
I'd finished. Right. But also Lisa

1256
01:45:28,500 --> 01:45:31,916
Tansen, who were cohorts were classmates

1257
01:45:31,916 --> 01:45:34,416
at Moss Landing. She got to know Jack

1258
01:45:34,416 --> 01:45:35,458
Casey and West Pratt

1259
01:45:35,458 --> 01:45:37,166
and that led to her PhD.

1260
01:45:37,208 --> 01:45:40,791
So two of us there ended up going on to

1261
01:45:40,791 --> 01:45:43,375
PhD programs from a party in my hotel

1262
01:45:43,375 --> 01:45:47,250
room at a conference. And so it not that

1263
01:45:47,250 --> 01:45:48,291
I'm advocating, you need to have a

1264
01:45:48,291 --> 01:45:50,291
conference, you have a party at your in

1265
01:45:50,291 --> 01:45:52,208
your place. But if you're out at a more

1266
01:45:52,208 --> 01:45:56,041
social event and stuff, go up and talk to

1267
01:45:56,041 --> 01:45:57,333
people. You just never know. Things could

1268
01:45:57,333 --> 01:45:59,166
lead to later in your career.

1269
01:46:00,166 --> 01:46:01,750
Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's that's the

1270
01:46:01,750 --> 01:46:04,250
big thing. The one thing that I I go to

1271
01:46:04,250 --> 01:46:05,541
and you and I have kind of the same

1272
01:46:05,541 --> 01:46:07,291
philosophy when we go there, you go there

1273
01:46:07,291 --> 01:46:09,666
one to look to meet people. That's our

1274
01:46:09,666 --> 01:46:11,250
first priority, right? Is to go there,

1275
01:46:11,250 --> 01:46:13,208
interact with people, some old friends,

1276
01:46:13,208 --> 01:46:15,333
old colleagues, some new,

1277
01:46:15,333 --> 01:46:16,166
you know, meet new people.

1278
01:46:16,166 --> 01:46:19,583
The one I always tell younger people is

1279
01:46:19,583 --> 01:46:22,208
to say, hey, when you go there, you know,

1280
01:46:22,458 --> 01:46:23,666
the first thing you do when you meet

1281
01:46:23,666 --> 01:46:26,083
somebody, you say hi, you do, you got to

1282
01:46:26,083 --> 01:46:27,458
do your introductions. You have to have

1283
01:46:27,458 --> 01:46:28,333
your elevator pitch.

1284
01:46:28,708 --> 01:46:29,916
If you're a student, I'm a student

1285
01:46:29,916 --> 01:46:31,333
studying such and such, or I'm an

1286
01:46:31,333 --> 01:46:33,250
undergraduate student and I'm looking to

1287
01:46:33,250 --> 01:46:35,583
do graduate work. I'm here to look at

1288
01:46:35,583 --> 01:46:37,083
the, you know, the different things. Come

1289
01:46:37,083 --> 01:46:38,791
up, whatever you decide, come up with

1290
01:46:38,791 --> 01:46:40,625
that pitch, practice it over and over

1291
01:46:40,625 --> 01:46:41,666
again, because you're going to be saying

1292
01:46:41,666 --> 01:46:42,166
it over and over again.

1293
01:46:42,208 --> 01:46:43,750
I just recently went to a conference

1294
01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:46,083
every time I shook someone's hand, it was

1295
01:46:46,083 --> 01:46:48,000
really just like the first thing we would

1296
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,541
do. They would tell me about themselves.

1297
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:52,458
I would tell, I would tell them about

1298
01:46:52,458 --> 01:46:54,041
myself. And then we would just kind of be

1299
01:46:54,041 --> 01:46:55,416
like, oh, that's cool. Like, what do you

1300
01:46:55,416 --> 01:46:56,666
do? And then you start asking questions

1301
01:46:56,666 --> 01:46:58,458
based off of that. It's almost like an

1302
01:46:58,458 --> 01:46:59,666
interview. You're interviewing them.

1303
01:46:59,666 --> 01:47:01,125
They're interviewing you and you get to

1304
01:47:01,125 --> 01:47:03,000
know each other. It's a very easy

1305
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:04,625
interaction once you get comfortable with

1306
01:47:04,625 --> 01:47:06,458
it. But the big thing is, is to practice

1307
01:47:06,458 --> 01:47:08,541
that elevator pitch every morning before

1308
01:47:08,541 --> 01:47:09,916
you go in. You'll be saying it so many

1309
01:47:09,916 --> 01:47:12,166
times by the end of the first day.

1310
01:47:12,166 --> 01:47:14,583
That, you know, it's going to become

1311
01:47:14,583 --> 01:47:17,000
natural to you. And the first couple of

1312
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,375
times might feel a little wonky and a

1313
01:47:19,375 --> 01:47:20,958
little unnatural, a little out of your

1314
01:47:20,958 --> 01:47:23,125
comfort zone. But that'll build. And I

1315
01:47:23,125 --> 01:47:25,125
always say, like one of my big things

1316
01:47:25,125 --> 01:47:26,875
that I love to do, Dave, and I don't know

1317
01:47:26,875 --> 01:47:29,583
if they'll have it here, but lunchtime or

1318
01:47:29,583 --> 01:47:31,833
dinner time or breakfast time. If there's

1319
01:47:31,833 --> 01:47:33,208
tables where people are sitting down,

1320
01:47:33,583 --> 01:47:35,250
find an empty seat, sit down beside

1321
01:47:35,250 --> 01:47:37,875
somebody you don't know and just start

1322
01:47:37,875 --> 01:47:39,625
like talking about, oh, hi, how are you?

1323
01:47:39,625 --> 01:47:40,625
Where are you from? Like, this is going

1324
01:47:40,625 --> 01:47:41,416
to be a place where

1325
01:47:41,416 --> 01:47:42,166
people are going to go,

1326
01:47:42,208 --> 01:47:43,208
and I'm going to come from all around the

1327
01:47:43,208 --> 01:47:45,625
world. Where are you from? My name is so

1328
01:47:45,625 --> 01:47:47,625
and so I'm from Canada or my name is

1329
01:47:47,625 --> 01:47:49,166
Dave. Like I'm from the US or wherever.

1330
01:47:49,666 --> 01:47:50,958
And that just based off of you don't even

1331
01:47:50,958 --> 01:47:53,416
have to talk shop. Just talk about what

1332
01:47:53,416 --> 01:47:55,666
was your travel? You know, where are you

1333
01:47:55,666 --> 01:47:57,083
staying? Like, you know, all that kind of

1334
01:47:57,083 --> 01:47:59,000
stuff just to be like, what, how do you

1335
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:00,500
like? Isn't this a great place? Like,

1336
01:48:00,500 --> 01:48:01,916
isn't it like I went to the beach

1337
01:48:01,916 --> 01:48:03,750
yesterday? Like, that's how people

1338
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:06,375
connect. And I feel like that's how not

1339
01:48:06,375 --> 01:48:08,416
only like professional relationships are

1340
01:48:08,416 --> 01:48:10,916
done, but even like the friendships that

1341
01:48:10,916 --> 01:48:12,041
come from that is you just get

1342
01:48:12,208 --> 01:48:14,375
to know people at the conferences. And it

1343
01:48:14,375 --> 01:48:15,791
doesn't have to be a huge interaction,

1344
01:48:15,791 --> 01:48:17,166
right? And even a lot of you know, you

1345
01:48:17,166 --> 01:48:18,625
get to know like, I know myself, like I

1346
01:48:18,625 --> 01:48:20,041
got to know a lot of the students I got

1347
01:48:20,041 --> 01:48:22,333
to know when I when I was a student, you

1348
01:48:22,333 --> 01:48:23,708
know, they've turned into like lifelong,

1349
01:48:23,708 --> 01:48:26,583
you know, collaborations and friendships,

1350
01:48:26,583 --> 01:48:27,875
you know, we've had a lot of people on

1351
01:48:27,875 --> 01:48:29,708
there, you know, just like people like

1352
01:48:29,708 --> 01:48:31,625
come to mind, like, you know, there's

1353
01:48:31,625 --> 01:48:35,333
Greg scuml or Gavin Naylor, Chris Lowe, I

1354
01:48:35,333 --> 01:48:36,916
mean, we're all grad students at the same

1355
01:48:36,916 --> 01:48:39,666
time. And we've all kind of like, gone

1356
01:48:39,666 --> 01:48:41,291
along in our careers now and stuff. And

1357
01:48:41,291 --> 01:48:42,166
so it's interesting,

1358
01:48:42,208 --> 01:48:44,291
people you can meet early in your career

1359
01:48:44,291 --> 01:48:46,166
as a student, a lot of times those are

1360
01:48:46,166 --> 01:48:47,958
relationships you'll develop throughout

1361
01:48:47,958 --> 01:48:49,791
your career, you know, guys, if they

1362
01:48:49,791 --> 01:48:51,333
assume any of you all stay in the field,

1363
01:48:51,916 --> 01:48:53,000
your careers are kind of you can see

1364
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:54,166
where each other are going in your

1365
01:48:54,166 --> 01:48:55,958
career, which is also kind of a cool

1366
01:48:55,958 --> 01:48:57,791
thing, especially when you get later in

1367
01:48:57,791 --> 01:48:59,583
life, you know, like where I am now, I

1368
01:48:59,583 --> 01:49:00,791
look back on some of these people and

1369
01:49:00,791 --> 01:49:02,625
think about, Oh, yeah, I remember back

1370
01:49:02,625 --> 01:49:04,375
meeting so and so at this time, or that

1371
01:49:04,375 --> 01:49:07,166
conference or whatever. And it's just,

1372
01:49:07,166 --> 01:49:08,583
it's kind of neat. And then of course,

1373
01:49:09,041 --> 01:49:10,500
some meet some of the other students to

1374
01:49:10,500 --> 01:49:10,916
you might meet

1375
01:49:10,916 --> 01:49:12,166
somebody who's in so and so.

1376
01:49:38,416 --> 01:49:38,666
But I would encourage

1377
01:49:38,666 --> 01:49:42,166
you to trad your gotta

1378
01:49:42,166 --> 01:49:43,000
I made that connection.

1379
01:49:43,250 --> 01:49:44,291
And I know like for

1380
01:49:44,291 --> 01:49:46,125
myself, usually, you know,

1381
01:49:46,125 --> 01:49:47,041
once you've kind of got a

1382
01:49:47,041 --> 01:49:48,083
name and a face, you know,

1383
01:49:48,083 --> 01:49:49,458
it's usually a little easier to remember

1384
01:49:49,458 --> 01:49:50,583
if you happen to follow up

1385
01:49:50,583 --> 01:49:51,541
with them at a later date

1386
01:49:51,541 --> 01:49:52,583
for some reason or other.

1387
01:49:52,916 --> 01:49:55,041
So yeah, I can't stress that enough.

1388
01:49:55,625 --> 01:49:56,291
Yeah. So, you know,

1389
01:49:56,291 --> 01:49:58,083
this is just some advice that we offer.

1390
01:49:58,083 --> 01:49:59,208
And of course, you know, as

1391
01:49:59,208 --> 01:50:00,583
you go to these conferences,

1392
01:50:00,833 --> 01:50:02,541
you feel what's comfortable to you.

1393
01:50:02,541 --> 01:50:03,958
Sometimes what I would suggest,

1394
01:50:03,958 --> 01:50:04,875
go a little outside your

1395
01:50:04,875 --> 01:50:06,458
comfort zone and start to,

1396
01:50:06,625 --> 01:50:07,500
you know, reach out to

1397
01:50:07,500 --> 01:50:08,833
people, start to talk to people.

1398
01:50:08,833 --> 01:50:10,416
Cause you've traveled all that way.

1399
01:50:10,791 --> 01:50:11,666
Might as well make it worthwhile.

1400
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,458
I know it's easier for me.

1401
01:50:13,458 --> 01:50:14,041
I'm an extrovert.

1402
01:50:14,250 --> 01:50:15,333
So it makes it a little easier.

1403
01:50:15,833 --> 01:50:16,750
Dave, you know many of

1404
01:50:16,750 --> 01:50:17,625
the people in the field.

1405
01:50:17,625 --> 01:50:18,375
So it makes it easier.

1406
01:50:18,375 --> 01:50:20,208
So we know we understand how

1407
01:50:20,208 --> 01:50:22,958
difficult it can be to do that,

1408
01:50:22,958 --> 01:50:24,166
but try you'll, you'll,

1409
01:50:24,166 --> 01:50:25,708
you'll benefit in the end and you'll,

1410
01:50:25,708 --> 01:50:26,875
you'll patch stuff in

1411
01:50:26,875 --> 01:50:27,708
the back afterwards.

1412
01:50:27,708 --> 01:50:27,833
Yeah.

1413
01:50:27,875 --> 01:50:29,666
Cause it's, it'll be,

1414
01:50:29,958 --> 01:50:31,291
it'll be worthwhile in the end.

1415
01:50:31,291 --> 01:50:32,166
So try and do that.

1416
01:50:32,500 --> 01:50:33,375
Enjoy meeting the

1417
01:50:33,375 --> 01:50:35,208
people, enjoy the keynotes,

1418
01:50:35,208 --> 01:50:36,291
enjoy the presentations,

1419
01:50:36,833 --> 01:50:38,500
soak it all up and enjoy.

1420
01:50:38,500 --> 01:50:39,416
And we'd love to hear from you.

1421
01:50:39,416 --> 01:50:40,916
If you went to sharks international,

1422
01:50:41,583 --> 01:50:42,125
if you're at sharks

1423
01:50:42,125 --> 01:50:43,791
international, let us know,

1424
01:50:43,791 --> 01:50:44,875
you know how you feel.

1425
01:50:45,125 --> 01:50:47,000
Let us know what your experience is like.

1426
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:48,833
We would love to hear from you, Dave.

1427
01:50:48,833 --> 01:50:50,000
People want to get ahold of you.

1428
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:50,750
How would they do so?

1429
01:50:50,750 --> 01:50:51,166
Even if they're

1430
01:50:51,166 --> 01:50:52,458
listening to this first day

1431
01:50:52,458 --> 01:50:53,250
and they want to go

1432
01:50:53,250 --> 01:50:55,833
and see you and meet you.

1433
01:50:55,875 --> 01:50:56,083
How would they get ahold of you?

1434
01:50:56,083 --> 01:50:56,458
Well, if I'm at the

1435
01:50:56,458 --> 01:50:57,583
conference, just look around

1436
01:50:57,583 --> 01:50:59,250
at some social time or whatever.

1437
01:50:59,500 --> 01:51:01,666
I know, I know enough people there.

1438
01:51:01,666 --> 01:51:02,416
You can ask somebody

1439
01:51:02,416 --> 01:51:03,708
that'll say, oh yeah, I know Dave.

1440
01:51:04,333 --> 01:51:05,791
So I'll be, I'll be, I'll

1441
01:51:05,791 --> 01:51:06,500
be around the conference

1442
01:51:06,500 --> 01:51:07,125
the whole week.

1443
01:51:07,125 --> 01:51:08,375
So I'll be pretty easy.

1444
01:51:08,375 --> 01:51:09,375
I'm should be pretty

1445
01:51:09,375 --> 01:51:10,583
easy to find, but you can,

1446
01:51:10,875 --> 01:51:17,208
you can, you can find me on Instagram.

1447
01:51:17,250 --> 01:51:19,583
I'm on Instagram at the last shark guy.

1448
01:51:19,791 --> 01:51:22,583
Also YouTube channel, lost shark guy.

1449
01:51:22,583 --> 01:51:23,791
Check out our latest episode

1450
01:51:23,791 --> 01:51:26,250
on searching for lost sharks

1451
01:51:26,250 --> 01:51:27,208
on the river shark

1452
01:51:27,208 --> 01:51:29,000
story, which is now posted.

1453
01:51:29,458 --> 01:51:31,375
And yeah, any of those,

1454
01:51:31,375 --> 01:51:31,875
those are the best

1455
01:51:31,875 --> 01:51:32,875
ways to get ahold of me.

1456
01:51:32,916 --> 01:51:33,333
Perfect.

1457
01:51:33,333 --> 01:51:33,875
And if you want to get

1458
01:51:33,875 --> 01:51:35,125
ahold of us together,

1459
01:51:35,125 --> 01:51:36,458
it's beyond at beyond

1460
01:51:36,458 --> 01:51:38,000
Jaws pod on Instagram.

1461
01:51:38,583 --> 01:51:39,458
Thank you for joining us. Enjoy the conference. And we'd love to hear from you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for joining us.

1462
01:51:39,666 --> 01:51:40,375
Enjoy the conference.

1463
01:51:40,375 --> 01:51:41,000
And we'd love to hear

1464
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:42,541
from you from Dave and I.

1465
01:51:42,541 --> 01:51:43,250
Thank you so much for

1466
01:51:43,250 --> 01:51:44,166
listening to this episode.

1467
01:51:44,166 --> 01:51:45,625
Of course, Daniel, thank you, Daniel,

1468
01:51:45,625 --> 01:51:46,333
for all the work you've

1469
01:51:46,333 --> 01:51:47,250
done for the conference

1470
01:51:47,250 --> 01:51:48,166
and for coming on

1471
01:51:48,166 --> 01:51:49,583
during your busy schedule.

1472
01:51:49,583 --> 01:51:50,083
We want to thank you

1473
01:51:50,083 --> 01:51:50,916
so much for joining us

1474
01:51:50,916 --> 01:51:51,791
on today's episode of

1475
01:51:51,791 --> 01:51:52,750
the Beyond Jaws podcast.

1476
01:51:53,458 --> 01:51:54,083
Have a great day.

1477
01:51:54,083 --> 01:51:54,708
We'll talk to you next

1478
01:51:54,708 --> 01:51:55,791
time and happy conservation.