May 28, 2026
The Hidden Fight Behind the High Seas Treaty
The High Seas Treaty took nearly 20 years to negotiate, not because countries disagreed that the ocean matters, but because ocean protection becomes much harder when money, power, access, and fairness are involved.
In this episode of How to Protect the Ocean, we look at why protecting the high seas is so politically difficult. From industrial fishing fleets and marine genetic resources to enforcement, ratification, and accountability, this story shows why global ocean conservation is never just about science.
The treaty creates a framework for protecting biodiversity beyond national borders, but the real test is what happens next. Will countries turn the agreement into real action, or will it become another symbolic promise?
Transcript
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Everybody says they want to protect
the ocean until the conversation
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turns to money, power, and control.
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This is the How to Protect the Ocean
podcast, your weekday ocean news update.
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If you care about staying informed on
the ocean every weekday, hit that follow
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button right now on your favorite podcast
app so you don't miss tomorrow's story.
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Today, we are talking about
why the High Seas Treaty took
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nearly two decades to negotiate.
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Because on the surface,
this probably seems simple.
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The ocean is under pressure.
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Countries agree that biodiversity matters.
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So why did it take almost twenty
years to reach an agreement?
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Now listen, we've been talking about
the high seas all week, and it's
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really interesting when we look at how
things work in the conservation world.
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Uh, we need conservation to work like
tomorrow or even yesterday, and it
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takes twenty years for something that's
as big as the High Seas Treaty to get
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into play, and it probably was in the
works before that too because we needed
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to work on how we can enforce and how
we can control and how we can protect
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the high seas and the ocean that takes
up, seventy-one percent of our planet.
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But the answer of why it took twenty
years, it really shows how complicated
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ocean conservation really is, and
we're gonna talk about that today.
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The High Seas Treaty was negotiated
through the United Nations, and unlike
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national laws, international agreements
require countries with different
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priorities to work together, which,
let's be honest, that's not easy, right?
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That's really difficult.
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We've seen how things are managed these
days, and we know it's really difficult.
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Even the Ross Sea MPA that's in
Antarctica, which Antarctica is managed
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by twenty-four countries, it took over
a decade for that to go through because
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there were countries, particular two,
China and Russia, who didn't wanna
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give up power in fishing in that area.
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So, it becomes a pretty difficult thing.
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Eventually, they got it through,
which is great, but it still
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becomes a pretty difficult thing.
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Now, some countries wanted stronger
conservation rules, while others were
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worried more about losing economic
opportunities, like I mentioned China
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and Russia in certain situations.
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Not every situation, but
certain situations, especially
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when it comes down to fishing.
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Now, some nations have enormous
industrial fishing fleets, the
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Chinese distant fleet is probably the
biggest distant fleet in the world.
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Others rely heavily on marine
resources for food security.
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And then we have the issue of fairness.
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One of the biggest debates centered
around marine genetic resources
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which is all about fairness.
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That includes genetic material
from deep sea organisms that could
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someday help develop medicines,
cosmetics, biotechnology products,
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or even industrial applications.
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Now, developed countries often have
the technology and the research
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capabilities, or capacity really and
money really it comes down to, to
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benefit from those discoveries.
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While developing countries argue that
benefits should be shared more equitably.
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Now think about this.
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If you're a country that's a developing
country, and there's an animal that was
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found just offshore from your shores, like
just past the two hundred nautical mile
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mark, you would have probably found it
eventually if you had the money and the
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resources and the capacity to actually go
out and look for these types of animals.
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And maybe that money that when you
discovered and through the sale of
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the cure or whatever you're looking
for, the genetic material, could
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have been a benefit to your country.
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But meanwhile, you don't have the
capacity, but other countries can come
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in, grab whatever they want, and leave.
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So that was a big part
of the High Seas Treaty.
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Now suddenly, the conversation became
much bigger than the conservation.
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It became about economics,
access, and global power.
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So not just about keeping
things the way it should be.
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Keep protecting the ocean
and things like that.
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Now this matters because it
reveals something important.
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The ocean conservation
problem is political, and the
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solutions are often political.
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We often frame conservation as science
versus destruction, but international
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conservation is also a negotiation.
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It involves trade-offs.
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Countries protect national interests.
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They're all gonna be a little
bit selfish in their own ways.
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Industries will lobby governments.
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Deep sea mining, industries are lobbying
governments right And enforcement
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becomes incredibly sensitive when nobody
technically owns the area being protected.
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It's very difficult for two nations to
work together to benefit each other.
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Imagine trying to, to negotiate
and work together when one is
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trying to get access to something
that the other one doesn't want.
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It could be very difficult.
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But here's another challenge.
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Who enforces the rules on the high seas?
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The United Nation doesn't have its own
police force, and countries largely
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enforce regulations themselves.
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And that creates major concerns about
accountability, especially when illegal
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fishing remains widespread in some parts
of the world, many parts of the world.
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The treaty is important because
it finally creates a legal
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framework for coordinated action.
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Before this, creating marine protected
areas in international waters was
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extremely difficult, if not impossible.
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A lot of them were paper parks.
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Now there's at least a process.
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That may sound a little bureaucratic,
and it probably is, but the
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framework actually matters here.
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Without the rules, cooperation
falls apart pretty quickly.
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We're gonna be posting tomorrow.
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We're gonna have an interview
with Rebecca Hubbard.
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She's the director of
the High Seas Alliance.
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We're gonna talk all about the high seas,
especially the High Seas Treaties, what
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Now the focus shifts from
negotiation to implementation.
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We've done the negotiation.
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Some countries still need to
ratify the treaty, but we have
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eighty-nine at this point that
have actually ratified the treaty.
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Now, ratification means that the countries
are accepting it into national law.
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That progress can take years.
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Even my own country,
Canada, hasn't ratified yet.
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They've agreed to it, but
they haven't ratified yet.
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So after ratification comes
implementation, which is the hardest
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part, the monitoring, the enforcement,
the funding, the scientific coordination,
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and political follow-through.
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Because a treaty announcement creates
headlines, but real conservation
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requires long-term commitment.
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This is where ocean advocates like
Rebecca Hubbard, who's the director
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of the High Seas Alliance, continues
to push this momentum forward.
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Fear is not that the
treaty fails dramatically.
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Fear is that it slowly loses the urgency
to actually be implemented, and that
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happens a lot in global politics.
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We've seen it with the Paris Accord.
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Some countries take it seriously.
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Some countries don't.
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It kind of just falls off the map.
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And then some countries just demonize it
and make it, like, the worst thing ever.
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And if you follow that, you are
politically leaning one way or another.
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You're not just looking out for the
planet and looking out for your own
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health, the safety of your family, your
community, your country, and so forth.
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Now, the challenge now is keeping
pressure on governments to
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turn promises into action.
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Like, for me, my whole purpose right
now for ocean conservation and the
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high seas is to make sure that Canada
actually ratifies and sooner than later.
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The High Seas Treaty did not
take twenty years because people
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disagreed that the ocean matters.
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It took twenty years because protecting
shared resources forces countries to
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confront power, economics, fairness,
and accountability all at once.
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And now the world has to prove the
agreement is more than symbolic.
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It has to prove that this can be
implemented, and it can work.
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Everybody says they want to protect
the ocean until the conversation
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turns to money, power, and control.
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If you care about staying informed on
the ocean every weekday, hit that follow
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Today, we are talking about
why the High Seas Treaty took
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nearly two decades to negotiate.
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Because on the surface,
this probably seems simple.
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The ocean is under pressure.
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Countries agree that biodiversity matters.
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So why did it take almost twenty
years to reach an agreement?
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00:00:38,517 --> 00:00:42,394
Now listen, we've been talking about
the high seas all week, and it's
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00:00:42,424 --> 00:00:46,604
really interesting when we look at how
things work in the conservation world.
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Uh, we need conservation to work like
tomorrow or even yesterday, and it
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00:00:50,932 --> 00:00:54,878
takes twenty years for something that's
as big as the High Seas Treaty to get
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into play, and it probably was in the
works before that too because we needed
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to work on how we can enforce and how
we can control and how we can protect
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the high seas and the ocean that takes
up, seventy-one percent of our planet.
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But the answer of why it took twenty
years, it really shows how complicated
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ocean conservation really is, and
we're gonna talk about that today.
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The High Seas Treaty was negotiated
through the United Nations, and unlike
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national laws, international agreements
require countries with different
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priorities to work together, which,
let's be honest, that's not easy, right?
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That's really difficult.
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We've seen how things are managed these
days, and we know it's really difficult.
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Even the Ross Sea MPA that's in
Antarctica, which Antarctica is managed
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by twenty-four countries, it took over
a decade for that to go through because
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there were countries, particular two,
China and Russia, who didn't wanna
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give up power in fishing in that area.
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So, it becomes a pretty difficult thing.
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Eventually, they got it through,
which is great, but it still
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becomes a pretty difficult thing.
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Now, some countries wanted stronger
conservation rules, while others were
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worried more about losing economic
opportunities, like I mentioned China
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and Russia in certain situations.
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Not every situation, but
certain situations, especially
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when it comes down to fishing.
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Now, some nations have enormous
industrial fishing fleets, the
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Chinese distant fleet is probably the
biggest distant fleet in the world.
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Others rely heavily on marine
resources for food security.
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And then we have the issue of fairness.
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One of the biggest debates centered
around marine genetic resources
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which is all about fairness.
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That includes genetic material
from deep sea organisms that could
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someday help develop medicines,
cosmetics, biotechnology products,
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or even industrial applications.
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Now, developed countries often have
the technology and the research
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capabilities, or capacity really and
money really it comes down to, to
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benefit from those discoveries.
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While developing countries argue that
benefits should be shared more equitably.
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Now think about this.
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If you're a country that's a developing
country, and there's an animal that was
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found just offshore from your shores, like
just past the two hundred nautical mile
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mark, you would have probably found it
eventually if you had the money and the
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resources and the capacity to actually go
out and look for these types of animals.
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And maybe that money that when you
discovered and through the sale of
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the cure or whatever you're looking
for, the genetic material, could
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have been a benefit to your country.
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But meanwhile, you don't have the
capacity, but other countries can come
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in, grab whatever they want, and leave.
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So that was a big part
of the High Seas Treaty.
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Now suddenly, the conversation became
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It became about economics,
access, and global power.
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So not just about keeping
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Keep protecting the ocean
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Now this matters because it
reveals something important.
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The ocean conservation
problem is political, and the
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solutions are often political.
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We often frame conservation as science
versus destruction, but international
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conservation is also a negotiation.
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It involves trade-offs.
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Countries protect national interests.
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They're all gonna be a little
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Industries will lobby governments.
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Deep sea mining, industries are lobbying
governments right And enforcement
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becomes incredibly sensitive when nobody
technically owns the area being protected.
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It's very difficult for two nations to
work together to benefit each other.
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Imagine trying to, to negotiate
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trying to get access to something
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It could be very difficult.
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Who enforces the rules on the high seas?
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The United Nation doesn't have its own
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enforce regulations themselves.
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accountability, especially when illegal
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fishing remains widespread in some parts
of the world, many parts of the world.
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The treaty is important because
it finally creates a legal
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framework for coordinated action.
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Before this, creating marine protected
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extremely difficult, if not impossible.
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A lot of them were paper parks.
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Now there's at least a process.
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That may sound a little bureaucratic,
and it probably is, but the
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framework actually matters here.
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Without the rules, cooperation
falls apart pretty quickly.
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We're gonna be posting tomorrow.
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We're gonna have an interview
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She's the director of
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We're gonna talk all about the high seas,
especially the High Seas Treaties, what
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Now the focus shifts from
negotiation to implementation.
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We've done the negotiation.
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Some countries still need to
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eighty-nine at this point that
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Now, ratification means that the countries
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That progress can take years.
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Even my own country,
Canada, hasn't ratified yet.
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They've agreed to it, but
they haven't ratified yet.
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So after ratification comes
implementation, which is the hardest
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part, the monitoring, the enforcement,
the funding, the scientific coordination,
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and political follow-through.
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Because a treaty announcement creates
headlines, but real conservation
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requires long-term commitment.
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This is where ocean advocates like
Rebecca Hubbard, who's the director
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of the High Seas Alliance, continues
to push this momentum forward.
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Fear is not that the
treaty fails dramatically.
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Fear is that it slowly loses the urgency
to actually be implemented, and that
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happens a lot in global politics.
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We've seen it with the Paris Accord.
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Some countries take it seriously.
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Some countries don't.
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It kind of just falls off the map.
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And then some countries just demonize it
and make it, like, the worst thing ever.
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And if you follow that, you are
politically leaning one way or another.
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You're not just looking out for the
planet and looking out for your own
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health, the safety of your family, your
community, your country, and so forth.
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Now, the challenge now is keeping
pressure on governments to
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turn promises into action.
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Like, for me, my whole purpose right
now for ocean conservation and the
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high seas is to make sure that Canada
actually ratifies and sooner than later.
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The High Seas Treaty did not
take twenty years because people
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disagreed that the ocean matters.
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It took twenty years because protecting
shared resources forces countries to
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confront power, economics, fairness,
and accountability all at once.
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And now the world has to prove the
agreement is more than symbolic.
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It has to prove that this can be
implemented, and it can work.
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