The Hidden Ocean World Most of Us Will Never See

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When I was a kid, I never expected that

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there would be a program

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available in the future

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where I could watch as a student, I could

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watch scientists explore the deep sea.

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That was never a thing that ever crossed

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my mind and is happening right now.

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This is the How to Protect the Ocean

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podcast, your weekday ocean news update.

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If you are interested in finding out

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everything you need to know

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on the ocean every weekday,

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Monday to Friday, you can do that by

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following this podcast on

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your favorite podcast app.

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I'm your host Andrew Lewin. Welcome back

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to the How to Protect

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the Ocean podcast. Today,

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we are wrapping up our special series

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with Ocean Networks Canada

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called Surfacing Secrets,

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Explore the Ocean, Know the Planet.

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Throughout the series, we've been looking

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at ocean technology,

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science, education, and storytelling come

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together to help us

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better understand the ocean

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and protect it. And for this final

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episode, we're going to be going deep,

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literally. I'm speaking

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with Monica Peltz from Ocean Networks

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Canada and Heidi Gartner from Fisheries

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and Nodes Canada about

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deep sea exploration in the Northeast

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Pacific. We talk about what it takes to

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study places most people

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will never see, why deep sea ecosystems

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matter and how scientists,

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educators, and communities

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are working together to bring these

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hidden ocean worlds to the surface. This

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is a great conversation

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to end a series because it captures

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exactly why ocean exploration matters.

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The more we understand

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the ocean, the better equipped we are to

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protect it. So let's get into the final

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episodes of Surfacing

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Secrets, Explore the Ocean, Know the

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Planet, a collaboration

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between How to Protect the Ocean

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podcast and Ocean Networks Canada. Enjoy

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the interview and I will

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talk to you after. Hey, Heidi.

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Hey, Monica. Welcome to the How to

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Protect the Ocean podcast. Are you ready

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to talk about the Northeast Pacific

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deep sea exploration project? Absolutely.

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Right on. That's a mouthful. I have to

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admit, but it's a

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really just in the name.

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It causes a lot of interest. I'm looking

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forward to diving into this education

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project with Department

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of Fisheries and Oceans and

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ONC Ocean Networks Canada. It's going to

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be a lot of fun. We have Monica from ONC

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and Heidi from DFO here to talk about the

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project. We're going to dive into all the

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different aspects and what it's been able

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to do, what's been able to accomplish,

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and I can't wait to do so. Let's dive in.

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But before we do, Monica,

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why don't we start with you? Can you just

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let us know who you are and what you do?

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Absolutely. Thank you. My name is Monica

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Peltz. I am a K-12 education coordinator

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with Ocean Networks

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Canada, another great mouthful.

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Basically what it means I get to do is I

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get to work with teachers and students

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and folks like Heidi on bringing the

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ocean into classrooms,

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sharing it with teachers and the general

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public and folks like you. There's

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really, really great work going on there.

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facilitator or the conduit to all those

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audiences to share the ocean in new and

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exciting ways and hopefully get kids and

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other folks jazzed about

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what's happening under the waves.

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Heidi, how about yourself?

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ecology program at Christian Sciences

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Canada. And yeah, my job is really cool.

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I study the deep sea and we're going to

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talk all about it today.

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know what the program is? So the

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Northeast Pacific Deep Sea Exploration

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collaboration between scientists,

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governments, nonprofit institutions and

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even academia to explore the ocean,

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discover new life, protect the new life

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and the life that's down there.

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Document and be in all of these

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remarkable ecosystems and basically just

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kind of cultivate excellence through a

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partnership diversity, inclusivity and

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understand enhance our understanding of

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the deep sea and

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different ways of knowing.

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Amazing. Amazing. Now, Heidi, one thing

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that stood out when we first met is that

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you grew up near Ottawa. And so you

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ocean, just like just like I did. Like I

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like the were there were the same. I grew

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decide to become a marine biologist, how

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people to the deep sea today?

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deep sea because I hadn't watched this

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documentary or film series called the

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voyage of the moon. I don't think I would

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and excited about science.

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publications and journal articles and not

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everybody reads that was so I think part

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discoveries and various formats.

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further down the road. Very nice.

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about the deep or the northern Pacific

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deep sea exploration project. We often

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refer to it as deep deep. And I just

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wanted to accidentally because if I

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figured out during this podcast and

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someone's like, what's deep deep? That's

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project and we're kind of trying to

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address the goals within that. It's like

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protecting the store ecosystem.

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technology and knowledge and

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participation for all. So it's that

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included in the activity that Monica

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talked about. And then the last challenge

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ocean decade is trying to restore

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society's relationship.

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to that early question. Yeah.

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perfect. We appreciate that. Now, Monica,

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your role focuses on helping students and

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the public connect with the ocean science

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with ocean science as well. Now, why is

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making the deep sea accessible and

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important part of this project?

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project just because it's so amorphous

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and we want students to have a connection

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to the whole planet and to realize that

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it's all part of a system and it's all

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part of our ecosystem,

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our shared responsibility.

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the things we don't see. I mean, out of

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sight, out of mind and there's really no

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place more truly out of sight than below

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the water and yet there's, you know,

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biomass being the sheer weight and volume

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of animals that are available and there

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are resources and, you know, physics

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going on down there that we have

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just a very minimal understanding of and

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so it's it's a frontier. I mean, I know

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that that can be a really mixed term, but

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it's a really unusual place where new

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discoveries can happen, new explorations

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can happen and we have this really cool

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opportunity to do it together in the

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right way and to bring, you know,

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discovery to kids, you know, it's it's

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easy to look at a map and go, oh yeah,

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we've seen everything. No, we haven't

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even seen a section of the ocean.

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know, everybody thinks about how vast the

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deep sea is, but also like people don't

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really think about what's what's down

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there. You know, a lot of people and I've

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people from different industries just

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like, oh, there's just worms down there.

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ruining anything down there, but it's a

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lot more than that. And Heidi, like when

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people hear the deep sea, you know, they

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imagine empty, right? A lot of a lot of

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the kids, I would imagine they don't have

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species, you know, come out. They think

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it's like dark and empty. Like, what's

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the reality when your team like sends

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ROVs down or to explore some of these

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habitats and what do you see? Like, what

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are the what's the reality of this of the

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vision? Well, I got one

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part right, which is dark.

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where light can penetrate. I mean, it is

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an extreme environment. So it's cold,

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it's dark. It's there's a lot of pressure

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from all the water above you. But what's

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fascinating is once we started using

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technology and studying the deep sea,

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when we turn the lights on, we could

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actually find a whole abundance and

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diversity of life and biomass, like

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Monica said, of life down there.

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certain features that really do increase

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the biomass diversity of life. And

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they're called ecological and

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biologically significant areas. And

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what's super cool and not to toot our own

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horn, but Canada actually has a really

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incredible concentration of these

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features in our waters.

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tectonic plates and the actions of

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tectonic plates. We live on the smallest

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tectonic plate in the world. And when,

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you know, tectonic plates are moving

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towards each other or apart from each

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other, all this action

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is shaping the deep sea.

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So sea mounts are underwater, it's 12

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kilos that rides over 1000 meters into

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the deep sea. And if you imagine just

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like went into the mountain currents that

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they see mountain and

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nutrient rich deep water up.

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And it has this whole cascading effect on

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beautiful ecosystems that build up with

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lots of plankton growing filters, like

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corals and sponges and then all the

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animals that live in

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amongst them come in.

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There's really cool habitats called

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hydrothermal vents, which are going to

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sound crazy, but they're super hot

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geysers of hot water, mineralized water

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from where tectonic plates are moving

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apart from each other.

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And believe it or not, life can thrive

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there based on bacteria and standing up

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cold seats where the pressure of tectonic

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plates moving together creates these

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environments where gas bubbles are coming

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out of the sea floor.

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Again, life thrive there largely because

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of bacteria. And then there's a deep sea,

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a lot of like the salt, so

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old magma from the Earth's core.

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And it creates these hard structures for

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things to grow up on. So I think the big

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thing is when we go down, we turn on the

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lights of our ORO beams.

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And it's just this magical world of an

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abundance University of life that we

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weren't expecting a long time ago, but

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we've learned a lot more as technology

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advances, as science advances.

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And it's a really magical and cool place.

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It's not just empty, barren and scary,

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but we always thought as a human society.

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Yeah, I can imagine now I have to I'm

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going to ask in a second. I'm going to

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ask Monica how the

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students react to some of this.

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But Heidi, I like every time you're part

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of these projects where you're going

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down, sending the ROVs down, is it like

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something new every time?

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Are you surprised? Like, are you in awe

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of the of even the things that you've

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seen before, but to be able to see them

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again live through this

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feed through the ROVs?

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Yeah, I would say so like every time we

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go down, we are often saying everything

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from behaviors we probably never seen

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before in the deep sea to literally

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animals that we've never

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seen before like science.

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And a lot of this is because a long time

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ago we used to sample the ocean more deep

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sea through through events like falling

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or or or bottom contact with fishing.

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That's how we would gather information

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about the deep sea. And so being able to

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have this technology go

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down, see the animals in situ.

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It's really incredible. And I have to

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say, yeah, like I switched to deep sea

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study later in my career and I I love

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every time we go down

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and like, Whoa, that's me.

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I've never seen that before or that very

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cool. So, yeah, it's it's incredible

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because we still have cited less than a

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percent of our ocean's like visually

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documented what life is doing here.

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Less than a percent. We fish the surface

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like see more on Mars than we have our

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own. Yeah. Wow. Incredible. Now, Monica,

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you know, when you're dealing a lot of

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times with with the students when they

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first see the footage of the deep sea

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animals or and or underwater exploration,

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like what kinds of reactions do you

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typically typically get?

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Well, the reactions are are exactly as

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you'd expect. And it seems it doesn't

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matter what age you are. It's always,

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wow, what is that? Wow. What is that

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creature doing? Can we see that? Can we

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look closer at that? And then the real

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wow comes in when you tell them where

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it's actually happening.

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And then you go, well, actually, you

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know, it's closer than Alberta. It's

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closer than, you know, for some folks,

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the tip of Vancouver Island, right? Like

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it depends on where we are, of course.

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But really, it's actually happening, you

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know, within our waters and relatively

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close to where we are on land.

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And to emphasize that for students just

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makes that wow, that much cooler, that

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much more interesting. And the really,

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really cool thing that students do is the

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hey, come look at this. I can't wait to

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tell someone else. Hey, mom, do you see

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or hey, bud, do you see? And when you're

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experiencing something that you have to

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share with someone else, that means that

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it's really reached you, right? It's not

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just, yeah, okay, whatever. It's oh my

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goodness, I got to tell

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the person next to me.

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But what I'm seeing, even though they're

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in the same room looking in the same

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screen, it's that that do you see that?

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Do you see that? That's just it's so cool

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to get kids engaged in that way. And then

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to have someone like Heidi and the crew

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talking at the same time, and the kids

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go, what is that? And the scientists go,

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we don't know. And they get so jazzed

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that that it's okay to not know, it's

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okay to be exploring these cool things.

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And then, of course, you get all the

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questions. Well, how many new animals

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have you found? How many new things are

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out there? What's the biggest new thing

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you found? And, you

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know, so they can get a

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real real jazz that there's cool things

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out there. That's awesome. That's so

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cool. I get envious when I hear this,

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because I've never been a part of like a

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live thing like that, especially with an

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RV going going down that far. Now, Heidi,

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you mentioned there are moments when your

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team like will be looking at organisms,

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and then you realize they're completely

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new to science. You know, there's there's

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two questions I have that with that. Now,

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like you and your colleagues that are

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looking at these organisms, you must be

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very familiar with a lot of these

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organisms, and to identify something

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like, well, I've never really seen that

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before. You must like,

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know a lot about the deep sea and a lot

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about the taxonomy, the deep

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sea. So like, what are your

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feelings? Like, how do you identify

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something like, well, I've

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never really seen that before.

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And the rest of the crew is like, well,

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I've never seen that

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before. This could be new.

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Once you and when you do kind of realize

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that, what's the

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process after that? Like,

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what is the feeling to be like, Oh, this

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could be something, this

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could be something new,

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we could be describing it. Yeah, I was

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more of an intertidal

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biologist early in my career. And I

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was one of these people that like

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identify everything on the

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shore, you know, like, Oh,

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yeah, this is interesting. So when I went

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to the deep sea, the

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first couple times I went out,

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I was both like, kind of embarrassed,

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because I was like, I

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don't know what that is. Like,

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I don't recognize it. And then I started

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talking to people and a lot

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of people didn't know what it

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was. So we do have taxonomic experts, and

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we are learning, and we can

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often put things like in a

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category, but the specifics of trying to

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figure out if something is

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new to science is it's really

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complicated. And it's both exciting and

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frustrating. Because it's,

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you're staring at it. And this is,

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again, we're really good remotely

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operated vehicle. ROV

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technology has really changed the

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world for us, because we're watching this

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live live feed of a

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camera, we're looking at it, and

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we're starting to puzzle it out. We're

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starting to check our

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resources. We're actually streaming

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the dive live on the internet. So people

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are starting to chip in

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with their, their thoughts.

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And that's really exciting. And then when

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we kind of got an idea

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that we don't have a handle,

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whether we can actually use the ROV

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manipulators or their hands, basically

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the arms to take samples

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of specimens. So we can take off a piece

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of something like it's a

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coral or sponge, or sometimes

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we do put animal. It has storage

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containers on the remote, the operating

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vehicle, and then we bring it

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up to the surface and then we go through

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this whole process on the ship when it

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comes up to the surface,

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where they photograph it, we relax it. So

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we give it other chemicals

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or some sort of treatment,

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a whole treatment to relax the animal. We

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can take tissue samples for like

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genetics, and then we can,

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and then we preserve it and we actually

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usually donate all of our

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specimens to a museum. So one of

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our partners is the Royal Museum Museum.

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And then they have more

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taxonomic experts as well. And then

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even if they can't help answer the

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questions, that's when

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museums also have the bonus of being

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really important to the institution. So

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we'll loan it to like the

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global expert on, you know,

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blacks, corals, and that person will

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receive it. And so it is a

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long process. It can take many

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years, but it's a really important

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process for figuring out what is in the

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deep sea, what biodiversity

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we have in the deep sea. And so it's this

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exciting but extremely frustrating

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process because in about

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you know, five years from when you first

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saw this thing, you might figure out

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exactly what it is. But

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it's still really neat. And it's cool to

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have that feeling of, wow, this is

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something you need to do.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely. Now, Monica, like

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how powerful is it for students when they

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realize that scientists may have

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just discovered something new? Like,

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what's their reaction on it? Like, do

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they just like, what do you

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mean? We've never seen this before? Like,

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how is that possible? That's

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actually, you know, that's,

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that's a quote, you know, what do you

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mean? That's, that's a quote

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that we get from kids, which is

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great. I do tend to fudge the timeline

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of, you know, it takes five

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years or more to know that,

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that it's a new species, because they

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just get so excited about this, that

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there's new things out

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there, which I don't want to dampen. So I

539
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shouldn't say I, you know, completely

540
00:18:49,500 --> 00:18:50,500
fudge it, but we do kind

541
00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:52,916
of get to that part delicately, that it

542
00:18:52,916 --> 00:18:55,125
takes a while to identify species 100%.

543
00:18:55,125 --> 00:18:57,166
You know, and I think

544
00:18:57,166 --> 00:19:00,666
part of it is that, you know, that it's,

545
00:19:00,666 --> 00:19:01,541
it's, it's simply discovery,

546
00:19:01,541 --> 00:19:03,250
right? Like, what, what is it?

547
00:19:03,708 --> 00:19:05,916
Can I teach other people something new

548
00:19:05,916 --> 00:19:08,083
about it? You know, can I name it after

549
00:19:08,083 --> 00:19:09,125
myself? That one comes

550
00:19:09,166 --> 00:19:10,666
up a lot. So then we get to have really

551
00:19:10,666 --> 00:19:12,833
great questions about, you know, well,

552
00:19:12,833 --> 00:19:14,750
what should we call things? And what have

553
00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:16,625
people called things? And that's been

554
00:19:16,625 --> 00:19:18,458
great as well, because it allows you to

555
00:19:18,458 --> 00:19:20,250
have other conversations about like,

556
00:19:20,750 --> 00:19:22,750
you know, what is our relationship with

557
00:19:22,750 --> 00:19:25,500
animals, if we just name them after us,

558
00:19:25,708 --> 00:19:27,291
or if we name them after the

559
00:19:27,291 --> 00:19:29,125
environment, or, you know, is there a

560
00:19:29,125 --> 00:19:31,541
sense of, of ownership? And if so, maybe

561
00:19:31,541 --> 00:19:32,500
that's not bad that, you

562
00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:33,458
know, like, hey, that's,

563
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:37,541
that's Canada's national tube word.

564
00:19:38,041 --> 00:19:40,958
Canada's national tube word. You know,

565
00:19:41,291 --> 00:19:44,083
it's, it's kind of, it's kind of fun that

566
00:19:44,083 --> 00:19:46,166
way. And of course, the new is always

567
00:19:46,166 --> 00:19:50,083
exciting. It's really great to show kids

568
00:19:50,083 --> 00:19:52,125
things. And it's also really amazing to

569
00:19:52,125 --> 00:19:54,875
show them why sometimes that

570
00:19:54,875 --> 00:19:57,333
identification is hard. I mean, as Heidi

571
00:19:57,333 --> 00:19:58,166
said, it might take five

572
00:19:58,166 --> 00:19:59,250
years because this creature

573
00:20:00,041 --> 00:20:02,458
either has features that are really hard

574
00:20:02,458 --> 00:20:04,750
to identify, or it looks like something

575
00:20:04,750 --> 00:20:06,375
we know, or it looks like something

576
00:20:06,375 --> 00:20:08,541
you've never seen before, right? Like

577
00:20:08,541 --> 00:20:12,083
begin to identify a purple sphere, you

578
00:20:12,083 --> 00:20:15,208
know, or a wiggly worm or, you know, like

579
00:20:15,208 --> 00:20:16,416
you it's, it's really

580
00:20:16,416 --> 00:20:18,416
cool to just engage in that.

581
00:20:18,791 --> 00:20:22,458
That process of this is new, how do we

582
00:20:22,458 --> 00:20:23,958
gather information on it? And I think

583
00:20:23,958 --> 00:20:25,291
it's really validating for kids,

584
00:20:25,625 --> 00:20:28,000
especially today, to learn that you can't

585
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,041
just Google it, you can't ask someone

586
00:20:31,041 --> 00:20:33,000
else, you have to apply all those

587
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,458
speaking skills, all those science

588
00:20:34,458 --> 00:20:36,875
skills, because there is no one else to

589
00:20:36,875 --> 00:20:38,291
ask, you got to learn it,

590
00:20:38,291 --> 00:20:39,291
you got to be sure of it.

591
00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:41,708
True. True. And to be honest, it's like

592
00:20:41,708 --> 00:20:43,291
there's a lot of people who have, who

593
00:20:43,291 --> 00:20:46,500
have, you know, built their careers on

594
00:20:46,500 --> 00:20:48,916
identifying new species and in the deep

595
00:20:48,916 --> 00:20:51,000
sea and being able to be taxonomist like

596
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000
specialists in that. I mean, like

597
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,375
identifying a polychaete worm in the deep

598
00:20:55,375 --> 00:20:57,500
sea is near impossible to me, but

599
00:20:57,500 --> 00:20:58,958
somebody would really know who really

600
00:20:58,958 --> 00:21:01,458
knows worms is great at that. Yes, Heidi.

601
00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:04,583
Well, exactly to follow up on what you

602
00:21:04,583 --> 00:21:06,791
just said about worms, like sometimes you

603
00:21:06,791 --> 00:21:08,500
can get a sense from looking at it from

604
00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:10,083
the video, but I just wanted to build on

605
00:21:10,083 --> 00:21:12,875
what both of you Monica said and that the

606
00:21:12,875 --> 00:21:15,458
distinguishing features between different

607
00:21:15,458 --> 00:21:17,875
species of worms is often looking at, you

608
00:21:17,875 --> 00:21:19,916
know, this little feature on the side of

609
00:21:19,916 --> 00:21:21,833
its arm called the parapodia and then

610
00:21:21,833 --> 00:21:22,666
you've got a count how

611
00:21:22,666 --> 00:21:23,875
many crystals it has.

612
00:21:23,916 --> 00:21:26,625
And so all that deep sea tech tech is on

613
00:21:26,625 --> 00:21:28,916
me detailed work does have to happen and

614
00:21:28,916 --> 00:21:30,333
it's not something you can always tell

615
00:21:30,333 --> 00:21:32,750
them to know. And I also wanted to say

616
00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:34,041
the new discoveries can

617
00:21:34,041 --> 00:21:36,000
extend beyond new species often.

618
00:21:36,333 --> 00:21:40,416
We do things like you see new share new

619
00:21:40,416 --> 00:21:42,416
species range extensions, like say

620
00:21:42,416 --> 00:21:44,666
something from California and we didn't

621
00:21:44,666 --> 00:21:46,500
know it was that far up north and now

622
00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:49,625
we've changed that that range description

623
00:21:49,625 --> 00:21:52,333
and often also seen like new behaviors.

624
00:21:52,583 --> 00:21:54,500
I just documented things that are just so

625
00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:57,208
rare in the deep sea, like one of our

626
00:21:57,208 --> 00:21:58,875
favorite states right now, it hadn't

627
00:21:58,875 --> 00:22:01,958
really been cited in our waters before.

628
00:22:01,958 --> 00:22:05,125
And now we've seen hundreds of hours. And

629
00:22:05,125 --> 00:22:07,000
so the new can be in

630
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,083
lots of different ways.

631
00:22:09,250 --> 00:22:11,500
And when you talk about sort of like new

632
00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:13,750
discoveries like this and you mentioned

633
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:15,375
when we talked a couple weeks ago, you

634
00:22:15,375 --> 00:22:18,416
mentioned that there was a story of deep

635
00:22:18,416 --> 00:22:20,916
sea octopus mothers guarding their eggs,

636
00:22:21,208 --> 00:22:23,333
you know, for years without feeding. Like

637
00:22:23,333 --> 00:22:25,125
imagine that like they're just so focused

638
00:22:25,125 --> 00:22:25,750
on guarding their

639
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:27,083
eggs that they won't eat.

640
00:22:27,125 --> 00:22:29,541
Like why are discoveries like this so

641
00:22:29,541 --> 00:22:30,208
important in

642
00:22:30,208 --> 00:22:31,708
understanding deep sea environments?

643
00:22:32,208 --> 00:22:33,791
Think discoveries like this are really

644
00:22:33,791 --> 00:22:35,500
important for the deep sea because it

645
00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:37,750
explains that they're operating on

646
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:40,666
different timescales. So the geological

647
00:22:40,666 --> 00:22:42,791
things that I mentioned earlier on that

648
00:22:42,791 --> 00:22:45,000
seems to make these incredible habitats.

649
00:22:46,125 --> 00:22:48,250
You know, they've operated on geological

650
00:22:48,250 --> 00:22:50,958
timescales of thousands to hundreds of

651
00:22:50,958 --> 00:22:53,541
thousands of years. The animals sometimes

652
00:22:53,541 --> 00:22:55,333
can actually be these themselves like

653
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:56,916
these corals and

654
00:22:56,916 --> 00:22:59,833
sponges old and slow growing.

655
00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:01,833
And then here we are coming along with

656
00:23:01,833 --> 00:23:03,583
our human activities which are changing

657
00:23:03,583 --> 00:23:05,500
the world rapidly. We've got, you know,

658
00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:07,500
the rise of deep sea fishing bottom

659
00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:10,083
contact crawling. We've got climate

660
00:23:10,083 --> 00:23:11,083
change. We've got all these things.

661
00:23:11,125 --> 00:23:15,625
And these animals aren't built to change

662
00:23:15,625 --> 00:23:17,666
on those fast timescales. And that's

663
00:23:17,666 --> 00:23:19,375
where the importance of providing the

664
00:23:19,375 --> 00:23:21,500
science by where these important places

665
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:24,583
are, what their vulnerabilities are and,

666
00:23:24,833 --> 00:23:27,333
you know, looking towards conservation

667
00:23:27,333 --> 00:23:28,583
and for at least a

668
00:23:28,583 --> 00:23:29,583
sustainable management.

669
00:23:31,125 --> 00:23:34,333
So I think that's what kind of like the

670
00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:36,208
biggest takeaway is from these really

671
00:23:36,208 --> 00:23:38,000
neat discoveries is just we've got to

672
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,250
think on a different. No, absolutely.

673
00:23:40,916 --> 00:23:43,625
Now, Monica, we when we talk about

674
00:23:43,625 --> 00:23:45,625
stories like the octopus, like in what

675
00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:48,583
they do and having as an example, does

676
00:23:48,583 --> 00:23:50,791
that help students emotionally connect

677
00:23:50,791 --> 00:23:52,958
with their marine life and with marine

678
00:23:52,958 --> 00:23:53,625
life and conservation?

679
00:23:54,208 --> 00:23:57,250
I think so. You know, it's it's really

680
00:23:57,250 --> 00:24:00,041
hard not to anthropomorphize, you know, a

681
00:24:00,041 --> 00:24:02,208
mother and her her babies, right? Like

682
00:24:02,208 --> 00:24:03,750
it's really hard not to do that. And I

683
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:05,750
think in this case, it's one where we

684
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:07,416
should because, you know, having that

685
00:24:07,416 --> 00:24:10,250
empathy for these creatures and the fact

686
00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:12,208
that they're working so hard to take care

687
00:24:12,208 --> 00:24:14,916
of their little ones, I think is really

688
00:24:14,916 --> 00:24:18,500
relatable for anyone and probably any

689
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,083
species, you know, to a degree.

690
00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:22,208
And the other really important thing that

691
00:24:22,208 --> 00:24:24,250
I think it highlights, as I mentioned, as

692
00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:26,583
well as the environment is something that

693
00:24:26,583 --> 00:24:29,375
is so, so important. It's not just the

694
00:24:29,375 --> 00:24:31,458
creatures. It's how they're using that

695
00:24:31,458 --> 00:24:33,583
environment. And you know, you think

696
00:24:33,583 --> 00:24:36,208
about when we teach, you know, we teach

697
00:24:36,208 --> 00:24:38,458
about food chains or food webs.

698
00:24:38,458 --> 00:24:41,125
It always starts with the plants. Well,

699
00:24:41,125 --> 00:24:43,208
it should start before that. What's

700
00:24:43,208 --> 00:24:45,000
supporting the plants, the earth, the

701
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,666
oceans, the water. And so here's an

702
00:24:47,666 --> 00:24:48,958
example where, you

703
00:24:48,958 --> 00:24:49,083
know, trawling the deep sea.

704
00:24:49,125 --> 00:24:52,791
You are doing destructive behaviors is

705
00:24:52,791 --> 00:24:55,041
going to ruin that environment, which is

706
00:24:55,041 --> 00:24:57,291
then going to make it difficult, if not

707
00:24:57,291 --> 00:24:59,541
impossible for these creatures to live.

708
00:24:59,750 --> 00:25:01,375
And so it's just widening that

709
00:25:01,375 --> 00:25:02,916
perspective that it's it's the whole

710
00:25:02,916 --> 00:25:05,208
earth. It's holistic. It's everything.

711
00:25:05,208 --> 00:25:07,583
It's not just, you know, the players on

712
00:25:07,583 --> 00:25:10,000
the surface of the the analogy. It's

713
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,625
actually, you know, what's happening down

714
00:25:11,625 --> 00:25:14,541
there. And I mean, who doesn't love baby

715
00:25:14,541 --> 00:25:17,000
animals? I mean, you know, maybe others

716
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,083
and birds. I still I feel birds really are the same.

717
00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:19,625
I still I feel birds really missed the

718
00:25:19,625 --> 00:25:21,375
mark on cute baby animals. But that's

719
00:25:21,375 --> 00:25:23,916
just me. You know, baby octopus are

720
00:25:23,916 --> 00:25:26,375
pretty darn cute. Yeah, I could imagine.

721
00:25:26,375 --> 00:25:28,250
Just be careful. The birders don't hear

722
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:29,291
that because I'm sure there's

723
00:25:29,291 --> 00:25:31,000
some right. Who might have a.

724
00:25:31,541 --> 00:25:34,166
Who might have some notes. I don't know.

725
00:25:34,166 --> 00:25:36,083
I've between an octopus, a kitten and a

726
00:25:36,083 --> 00:25:39,250
baby bird. Yeah, I totally. Yeah, totally

727
00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:42,125
understand. Now, now Heidi, like this

728
00:25:42,125 --> 00:25:44,125
project is all about collaboration. We

729
00:25:44,125 --> 00:25:44,958
mentioned that at the beginning.

730
00:25:45,125 --> 00:25:47,583
You know, DFO Ocean Networks Canada,

731
00:25:48,166 --> 00:25:50,625
indigenous, indigenous nations and other

732
00:25:50,625 --> 00:25:52,791
partners. Why is collaboration such an

733
00:25:52,791 --> 00:25:55,291
important foundation for this project in

734
00:25:55,291 --> 00:25:56,333
this world? It's so

735
00:25:56,333 --> 00:25:58,083
important because it's a big space.

736
00:25:58,125 --> 00:26:03,750
So we have between either existing

737
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:07,250
conservation measures or kind of plans or

738
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:10,416
at least really important research areas

739
00:26:10,416 --> 00:26:15,666
over 160,000 square kilometers of like

740
00:26:15,666 --> 00:26:19,166
conservation area to study. And so that's

741
00:26:19,166 --> 00:26:22,375
a lot of work to do. So I mean, that to

742
00:26:22,375 --> 00:26:24,083
begin with is important.

743
00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:27,208
Yeah, I think also what's really

744
00:26:27,208 --> 00:26:30,041
important here is the main partners of

745
00:26:30,041 --> 00:26:33,333
the project are the Council of the

746
00:26:33,333 --> 00:26:34,625
Foundation and the New Chalmers Tribal

747
00:26:34,625 --> 00:26:37,583
Council. And they are part of our

748
00:26:37,583 --> 00:26:39,916
managing nations for two of our

749
00:26:39,916 --> 00:26:41,833
established marine protected areas. So

750
00:26:41,833 --> 00:26:45,666
it's a marine protected area is a marine

751
00:26:45,666 --> 00:26:49,625
protected area that has a chain of like

752
00:26:49,625 --> 00:26:50,791
sea mounts connected.

753
00:26:51,125 --> 00:26:53,125
And this one sea mount is so special. It

754
00:26:53,125 --> 00:26:55,166
comes all the way up to almost the

755
00:26:55,166 --> 00:26:57,500
surface. So from the depth almost in

756
00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:59,250
surface, you could see that there is

757
00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:01,500
incredible. And it's co-managed with the

758
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:02,208
Council of the Foundation.

759
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,166
And then we have the Tonguan Sea B.

760
00:27:06,375 --> 00:27:09,041
Smearing Protected Area. It itself is

761
00:27:09,041 --> 00:27:13,333
over 130,000 kilometers squared. And it

762
00:27:13,333 --> 00:27:14,916
is co-managed with the

763
00:27:14,916 --> 00:27:15,750
Council of the Nation.

764
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:22,541
And it's also really important for us in

765
00:27:22,541 --> 00:27:24,958
respect to our indigenous partners that

766
00:27:24,958 --> 00:27:27,833
they should have the opportunity involved

767
00:27:27,833 --> 00:27:29,625
in the science throughout the whole

768
00:27:29,625 --> 00:27:31,500
process to help be able to make informed

769
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:33,083
decisions as we go along.

770
00:27:33,708 --> 00:27:39,083
And that it's valuable for our indigenous

771
00:27:39,083 --> 00:27:41,458
partners to even think, yes, we could

772
00:27:41,458 --> 00:27:43,041
email with them, but I can't tell you how

773
00:27:43,041 --> 00:27:44,916
valuable it is to be at sea and have

774
00:27:44,916 --> 00:27:47,041
members and be able to talk about, do you

775
00:27:47,041 --> 00:27:49,541
think this is a priority or just to be

776
00:27:49,541 --> 00:27:50,250
involved? There's so

777
00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:51,416
much that happens at sea.

778
00:27:52,583 --> 00:27:55,500
And we saw a lot of value in that. And

779
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:57,416
then I just wanted to highlight like our

780
00:27:57,416 --> 00:27:59,541
other partners, like our main goals

781
00:27:59,541 --> 00:28:01,708
really are I climb from this group and

782
00:28:01,708 --> 00:28:02,625
trying to change our

783
00:28:02,625 --> 00:28:04,083
relationship to the deep sea.

784
00:28:04,083 --> 00:28:06,041
So that's where Monica and her team comes

785
00:28:06,041 --> 00:28:07,541
in. And then we partner with the World

786
00:28:07,541 --> 00:28:10,958
Museum who accepts this specimen. So it's

787
00:28:10,958 --> 00:28:12,416
kind of a combination of this is the

788
00:28:12,416 --> 00:28:14,500
incredibly huge large space. It's going

789
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:16,083
to take all of our shared work together.

790
00:28:16,125 --> 00:28:18,291
And we all have strengths that we can

791
00:28:18,291 --> 00:28:21,041
contribute. And that's important part of

792
00:28:21,041 --> 00:28:23,166
all of science is the more you guys have

793
00:28:23,166 --> 00:28:26,833
the more robust designs.

794
00:28:28,166 --> 00:28:29,625
Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, Monica, you

795
00:28:29,625 --> 00:28:30,791
mentioned that one of the goals is to

796
00:28:30,791 --> 00:28:32,291
make sure exploration happens within the

797
00:28:32,291 --> 00:28:35,916
communities, not just around them. What

798
00:28:35,916 --> 00:28:36,875
does that look like in practice?

799
00:28:37,125 --> 00:28:39,541
In practice for us, it's it's looked like

800
00:28:39,541 --> 00:28:41,750
actually going to communities to engage

801
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:45,000
with folks. So hosting local events where

802
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,291
we actually connect with the ship in real

803
00:28:47,291 --> 00:28:50,291
time. So so being there so that, you

804
00:28:50,291 --> 00:28:51,375
know, eliminating that

805
00:28:51,375 --> 00:28:53,208
barrier of like, well, I don't know.

806
00:28:53,208 --> 00:28:54,458
Should I click on this link? Should I

807
00:28:54,458 --> 00:28:56,708
engage? Is it for me? When you're

808
00:28:56,708 --> 00:28:57,875
actually right there, it's like,

809
00:28:57,875 --> 00:28:59,541
absolutely, it's free. Yes, we want you

810
00:28:59,541 --> 00:29:00,875
engaged. Yes, we want you here.

811
00:29:01,125 --> 00:29:04,333
And then and then with beyond that, too,

812
00:29:04,333 --> 00:29:07,375
like engaging with the summer camps as a

813
00:29:07,375 --> 00:29:10,916
priority. So, you know, if we have more

814
00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:13,500
than one request, being able to say, we

815
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,833
prioritize working with the indigenous

816
00:29:15,833 --> 00:29:18,416
communities in nature, nations first and

817
00:29:18,416 --> 00:29:19,541
engaging with their youth

818
00:29:19,541 --> 00:29:21,541
first, I think is really

819
00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:24,958
it's nice to say, you know, you get to

820
00:29:24,958 --> 00:29:27,333
come first, it's nice to to do that. And

821
00:29:27,333 --> 00:29:29,541
it's also, I think, empowering and

822
00:29:29,541 --> 00:29:31,625
helpful. At least the feedback that we've

823
00:29:31,625 --> 00:29:34,791
gotten has has been shaped that way,

824
00:29:34,791 --> 00:29:37,291
which is really great. And it's also been

825
00:29:37,291 --> 00:29:40,375
really cool for to experience them seeing

826
00:29:40,375 --> 00:29:43,875
their peers and relations and and mentors

827
00:29:43,875 --> 00:29:45,583
at sea, you know, that's

828
00:29:45,583 --> 00:29:46,916
really cool, too, to see,

829
00:29:47,125 --> 00:29:49,000
oh, I know that who that is, or that's my

830
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,916
my my family member or I talk to them, I

831
00:29:51,916 --> 00:29:53,500
see them all the time. I mean, that's

832
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,375
cool for anybody to to see folks, you

833
00:29:56,375 --> 00:29:59,333
know, on the boat. And so to really be

834
00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:01,166
able to bring that into community and to

835
00:30:01,166 --> 00:30:03,083
help facilitate that is, you know, gives

836
00:30:03,083 --> 00:30:04,291
you those warm fuzzies.

837
00:30:04,625 --> 00:30:07,583
Absolutely, absolutely. Now, Heidi, how

838
00:30:07,583 --> 00:30:09,791
does working alongside indigenous nations

839
00:30:09,791 --> 00:30:10,625
strengthen the

840
00:30:10,625 --> 00:30:12,083
scientific side of this project?

841
00:30:12,875 --> 00:30:14,458
Really strengthens this project and

842
00:30:14,458 --> 00:30:16,416
brings incredible value to this project.

843
00:30:17,125 --> 00:30:18,750
First of all, I just want to highlight

844
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:21,208
some of the individuals that are part of

845
00:30:21,208 --> 00:30:22,958
our project are incredibly skilled

846
00:30:22,958 --> 00:30:27,458
biologists, mapping specialists,

847
00:30:27,875 --> 00:30:30,541
communicators, marine planners, and, you

848
00:30:30,541 --> 00:30:32,291
know, their individual efforts and

849
00:30:32,291 --> 00:30:34,083
excellence alone elevates their projects.

850
00:30:34,125 --> 00:30:36,916
Again, a fairly strong team is really

851
00:30:36,916 --> 00:30:39,750
important. But additionally, I wanted to

852
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:42,416
frame that this project really was about

853
00:30:42,416 --> 00:30:45,583
providing a collaborative space for

854
00:30:45,583 --> 00:30:49,875
knowledge reproduction. So we're learning

855
00:30:49,875 --> 00:30:50,791
from each other. There's

856
00:30:50,791 --> 00:30:51,083
knowledge exchange happening.

857
00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:54,333
But like instead already the DC, you're

858
00:30:54,333 --> 00:30:56,125
learning a lot every time you go out. So

859
00:30:56,125 --> 00:30:58,291
here we are co producing the knowledge

860
00:30:58,291 --> 00:31:00,916
together. And it's being worked out in

861
00:31:00,916 --> 00:31:02,666
that way. And with all things like during

862
00:31:02,666 --> 00:31:04,125
the learning period, the more

863
00:31:04,125 --> 00:31:07,750
perspectives that you have when you're

864
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:10,333
taking data and interpreting data, it can

865
00:31:10,333 --> 00:31:11,083
just improve the understanding.

866
00:31:11,125 --> 00:31:14,125
And then last but not least, I will just

867
00:31:14,125 --> 00:31:16,666
say that like indigenous nations do bring

868
00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:18,666
strong foundations of, you know, marine

869
00:31:18,666 --> 00:31:23,583
stewardship on governance and often more

870
00:31:23,583 --> 00:31:25,916
holistic ecosystem understanding this,

871
00:31:26,166 --> 00:31:27,833
you know, critical for shaping research

872
00:31:27,833 --> 00:31:31,166
projects and priorities and like making

873
00:31:31,166 --> 00:31:32,791
sure we're working together and shares

874
00:31:32,791 --> 00:31:33,083
that we're aligning with like,

875
00:31:33,125 --> 00:31:37,416
and how things and decision making goals

876
00:31:37,416 --> 00:31:39,166
that might be for this.

877
00:31:40,125 --> 00:31:43,458
Yeah, and Heidi, I'll just throw this

878
00:31:43,458 --> 00:31:46,125
back one at you as well. Like looking at

879
00:31:46,125 --> 00:31:48,625
the tools that you guys use to connect

880
00:31:48,625 --> 00:31:50,458
everybody with with the ocean and also

881
00:31:50,458 --> 00:31:53,041
just the scientific studies that you do

882
00:31:53,041 --> 00:31:55,083
use ROVs and other other tools.

883
00:31:55,125 --> 00:31:58,708
How has that changed an ability for a

884
00:31:58,708 --> 00:32:01,750
scientist to really be able to study

885
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:04,583
these deep sea oceans that we probably

886
00:32:04,583 --> 00:32:06,125
couldn't have done? Like, I mean, there

887
00:32:06,125 --> 00:32:08,125
used to be, you know, people used to go

888
00:32:08,125 --> 00:32:10,583
in ROV, like, or not, or used to go in

889
00:32:10,583 --> 00:32:13,333
these these submarines, right, which

890
00:32:13,333 --> 00:32:14,958
could have been like at the beginning,

891
00:32:14,958 --> 00:32:17,125
quite dangerous as the technology was

892
00:32:17,125 --> 00:32:18,541
just developing and so

893
00:32:18,541 --> 00:32:20,083
forth and still quite expensive.

894
00:32:20,125 --> 00:32:22,416
Now we have ROVs, which allows, you know,

895
00:32:22,416 --> 00:32:23,625
people sitting in the ships, multiple

896
00:32:23,625 --> 00:32:26,041
people sitting around. We've heard, you

897
00:32:26,041 --> 00:32:27,125
know, you've heard from your live feeds,

898
00:32:27,125 --> 00:32:28,625
like people talking and like kind of

899
00:32:28,625 --> 00:32:30,291
joking around and you get that feel that,

900
00:32:30,291 --> 00:32:32,291
you know, you're you're watching TV, but

901
00:32:32,291 --> 00:32:34,083
you're really there, you know, like, how

902
00:32:34,083 --> 00:32:35,166
has that changed from a

903
00:32:35,166 --> 00:32:36,083
scientific perspective?

904
00:32:36,125 --> 00:32:38,708
Yeah, it's really changed the way we

905
00:32:38,708 --> 00:32:42,416
understand the oceans and what we do in

906
00:32:42,416 --> 00:32:44,291
studying our oceans. And so it's

907
00:32:44,291 --> 00:32:46,875
everything from, yeah, I would have to

908
00:32:46,875 --> 00:32:48,125
say things like remotely

909
00:32:48,125 --> 00:32:51,375
operated vehicles or have.

910
00:32:52,541 --> 00:32:54,125
Sorry, I just told you a word.

911
00:32:54,958 --> 00:32:55,458
Yeah, no worries.

912
00:32:57,125 --> 00:32:59,250
What was I saying? Oh, yeah.

913
00:33:00,875 --> 00:33:02,000
Sorry. Okay.

914
00:33:02,041 --> 00:33:02,416
No worries.

915
00:33:03,125 --> 00:33:06,250
Like, remotely operated vehicles or ROVs

916
00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:08,083
in particular have really changed how we

917
00:33:08,083 --> 00:33:11,000
do science. We used to learn about the

918
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,708
deep sea a lot through the activities

919
00:33:12,708 --> 00:33:15,208
such as dredging and trawling and being

920
00:33:15,208 --> 00:33:18,625
able to have this like really visually

921
00:33:18,625 --> 00:33:22,041
orientated detail orientated tool that we

922
00:33:22,041 --> 00:33:25,375
can send you to the deep sea for no one's

923
00:33:25,375 --> 00:33:27,083
down there so long periods of time.

924
00:33:27,125 --> 00:33:30,541
And what the incredible technology we can

925
00:33:30,541 --> 00:33:32,958
figure out like placement and where this

926
00:33:32,958 --> 00:33:35,708
ROV is into like centimeters, you know,

927
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,625
on the floor so we can make it repeatable

928
00:33:38,625 --> 00:33:41,875
we can make it really precise and

929
00:33:41,875 --> 00:33:44,083
accurate and be able to see all that.

930
00:33:44,125 --> 00:33:46,250
So it's been a major breakthrough and

931
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,291
like these are these they're essentially

932
00:33:48,291 --> 00:33:49,625
robots with high definition.

933
00:33:49,958 --> 00:33:52,333
They bought it arms. They've got a range

934
00:33:52,333 --> 00:33:54,000
of centers on this. They're telling us

935
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,500
the temperature, the pressure, the

936
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:57,291
oxygen, the salinity.

937
00:33:58,708 --> 00:34:01,125
And then fiber optic cables were like a

938
00:34:01,125 --> 00:34:03,708
major breakthrough because not only does

939
00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:05,791
this incredible tool have all this but

940
00:34:05,791 --> 00:34:07,708
it's feeding it up to us

941
00:34:07,708 --> 00:34:09,083
on the surface on the ship.

942
00:34:10,125 --> 00:34:11,916
And so we're watching in real time. And

943
00:34:11,916 --> 00:34:14,208
what's my favorite thing to watch is like

944
00:34:14,208 --> 00:34:18,083
2000 meters below us. I can tell the ROV

945
00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:19,500
pilot and I want that thing

946
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:20,083
on the sea floor picked up.

947
00:34:21,208 --> 00:34:22,708
They're watching pick up this joystick

948
00:34:22,708 --> 00:34:25,000
and start moving it around and then the

949
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,083
arm on the ROV starts moving around and

950
00:34:27,083 --> 00:34:29,083
they can pick it up. We're getting my

951
00:34:29,083 --> 00:34:31,166
feeds and then someone who's watching it

952
00:34:31,166 --> 00:34:34,916
and you know, a different country or on

953
00:34:34,916 --> 00:34:36,583
the coast can be like, hey, I also want

954
00:34:36,583 --> 00:34:38,416
the thing beside it and they message us

955
00:34:38,416 --> 00:34:40,083
back if they're watching it in lifetime.

956
00:34:40,125 --> 00:34:43,625
Like it's just absolutely incredible. And

957
00:34:43,625 --> 00:34:47,708
again, now not only is that technology

958
00:34:47,708 --> 00:34:50,666
incredible but as a result, scientists

959
00:34:50,666 --> 00:34:55,416
can now like document more fragile

960
00:34:55,416 --> 00:34:57,125
ecosystems and that's what's really

961
00:34:57,125 --> 00:34:58,083
important part of conservation.

962
00:34:58,250 --> 00:35:02,333
So things like cold water corals are and

963
00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:05,708
class punches and those sort of things in

964
00:35:05,708 --> 00:35:07,833
their natural state where they're able to

965
00:35:07,833 --> 00:35:10,708
better understand species interactions or

966
00:35:10,708 --> 00:35:11,416
better able to

967
00:35:11,416 --> 00:35:12,875
understand species behaviors.

968
00:35:13,125 --> 00:35:17,250
And then I just wanted to say it's kind

969
00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:19,666
of it's changed it. It's still

970
00:35:19,666 --> 00:35:21,583
exploratory and it's still new and

971
00:35:21,583 --> 00:35:23,333
exciting, but it's also making it more

972
00:35:23,333 --> 00:35:27,291
systematic, more, more interdisciplinary

973
00:35:27,291 --> 00:35:29,958
in a lot of ways and we can ask more

974
00:35:29,958 --> 00:35:33,250
questions and like higher quality data

975
00:35:33,250 --> 00:35:35,083
sets and more complex things.

976
00:35:35,125 --> 00:35:39,125
And all of this is just really important

977
00:35:39,125 --> 00:35:41,041
because it's still the least understood

978
00:35:41,041 --> 00:35:44,583
place on our planet. So these

979
00:35:44,583 --> 00:35:45,500
technological

980
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:47,958
advances have really changed.

981
00:35:48,916 --> 00:35:50,666
Yeah, we're learning so much.

982
00:35:52,333 --> 00:35:54,125
Absolutely. And I find too, you know,

983
00:35:54,125 --> 00:35:57,208
when when we look at how just technology

984
00:35:57,208 --> 00:36:00,375
has changed over over time, you know,

985
00:36:00,375 --> 00:36:02,083
like when I was a kid, we didn't have

986
00:36:02,083 --> 00:36:04,083
these remotely operated vehicles.

987
00:36:04,125 --> 00:36:06,000
We didn't have this technology that you

988
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,958
can live stream it and you know, just so

989
00:36:07,958 --> 00:36:10,708
the world can see, you know, we did have

990
00:36:10,708 --> 00:36:12,708
like, like certain things that we were

991
00:36:12,708 --> 00:36:14,500
able to do like video games and stuff

992
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:15,750
like that that we were able to play.

993
00:36:16,125 --> 00:36:18,625
And I feel like our OVs kind of directly

994
00:36:18,625 --> 00:36:21,583
relate kids to this in terms of like you

995
00:36:21,583 --> 00:36:23,708
can just hide as you were saying, you can

996
00:36:23,708 --> 00:36:25,416
collect specimens, you can use the arms

997
00:36:25,416 --> 00:36:28,500
and stuff just with like a more

998
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:31,500
sophisticated remote control, you know,

999
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,250
that you can actually be able to to

1000
00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:34,083
manipulate these things.

1001
00:36:34,125 --> 00:36:37,291
Monica, you mentioned in our earlier pre

1002
00:36:37,291 --> 00:36:39,000
interview, you know, that this is like a

1003
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,083
really good way to connect with the kids

1004
00:36:41,083 --> 00:36:42,875
in terms of like, hey, look, you have

1005
00:36:42,875 --> 00:36:45,250
video games, you know, you're, you know,

1006
00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:47,125
building things in different like in

1007
00:36:47,125 --> 00:36:50,291
Sims, I think I'm aging myself or there's

1008
00:36:50,291 --> 00:36:52,125
another video game that I can't remember

1009
00:36:52,125 --> 00:36:53,083
that my kids, you know, play all the time.

1010
00:36:53,125 --> 00:36:56,833
And and but it's it's like you can almost

1011
00:36:56,833 --> 00:36:59,125
directly see that how does this kind of

1012
00:36:59,125 --> 00:37:01,416
show kids that, you know, marine bio,

1013
00:37:01,625 --> 00:37:03,708
like the the study of science doesn't

1014
00:37:03,708 --> 00:37:05,333
always have to be leading towards that

1015
00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:08,083
marine biology as a science, but also you

1016
00:37:08,083 --> 00:37:10,750
could be an engineer like many people at

1017
00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:14,541
Ocean Networks Canada is and as well as

1018
00:37:14,541 --> 00:37:15,666
as you know, people at DFO.

1019
00:37:16,041 --> 00:37:17,458
How does that broaden the sort of the

1020
00:37:17,458 --> 00:37:19,375
spectrum in terms of what

1021
00:37:19,375 --> 00:37:21,083
you can do within this field?

1022
00:37:21,125 --> 00:37:24,000
Well, I think you touched on it very

1023
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,541
well. It shows that there's so much

1024
00:37:26,541 --> 00:37:28,833
diversity of work. I mean, we've talked

1025
00:37:28,833 --> 00:37:31,583
about how we've had different

1026
00:37:31,583 --> 00:37:33,333
perspectives on on building knowledge.

1027
00:37:33,333 --> 00:37:34,083
There's different ways of

1028
00:37:34,083 --> 00:37:34,791
learning different things.

1029
00:37:35,375 --> 00:37:37,750
But in order for these expeditions to get

1030
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:40,916
off the ground, so to speak, you need so

1031
00:37:40,916 --> 00:37:43,333
many other types of expertise as well.

1032
00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:45,083
Like we just you can't do this alone. You

1033
00:37:45,083 --> 00:37:46,958
can't throw yourself in a rowboat and

1034
00:37:46,958 --> 00:37:48,083
paddle out and do everything.

1035
00:37:48,125 --> 00:37:50,666
And so to be able to show the peer

1036
00:37:50,666 --> 00:37:54,250
diversity of of people and systems and

1037
00:37:54,250 --> 00:37:56,458
teamwork that you need in order to make

1038
00:37:56,458 --> 00:37:58,333
this happen, I think is really valuable

1039
00:37:58,333 --> 00:38:00,750
for students. It's also really cool to

1040
00:38:00,750 --> 00:38:02,083
show them that silence

1041
00:38:02,083 --> 00:38:04,083
silence isn't excuse me.

1042
00:38:04,541 --> 00:38:06,625
No, you're okay. Let's say that again.

1043
00:38:06,625 --> 00:38:09,000
Let's say it's really cool to show them

1044
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,458
that silence science isn't siloed. You

1045
00:38:12,458 --> 00:38:15,291
can do things like video games, art,

1046
00:38:15,875 --> 00:38:19,208
photography, and that contributes to

1047
00:38:19,208 --> 00:38:21,000
science. You know, you're not going to

1048
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,541
know what a creature is if you

1049
00:38:22,541 --> 00:38:24,083
can't take good photos of it.

1050
00:38:24,125 --> 00:38:26,625
So, you know, your photography can help

1051
00:38:26,625 --> 00:38:29,666
you become a really great, you know,

1052
00:38:29,875 --> 00:38:31,666
maybe biologist, maybe taxonomist,

1053
00:38:31,666 --> 00:38:33,875
whatever to identify this creature.

1054
00:38:34,208 --> 00:38:36,375
Playing a video game means that you're

1055
00:38:36,375 --> 00:38:38,041
actually really good at spatial

1056
00:38:38,041 --> 00:38:40,000
awareness, hands eye coordination,

1057
00:38:41,208 --> 00:38:43,500
machine response and learning.

1058
00:38:44,125 --> 00:38:45,958
All of those things are needed in order

1059
00:38:45,958 --> 00:38:49,208
for us to to learn anything, right? I

1060
00:38:49,208 --> 00:38:51,416
mean, you know, think about a scientist

1061
00:38:51,416 --> 00:38:53,333
in a lab. Well, who built the lab? Where

1062
00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:55,208
does the classwork come from? Who's

1063
00:38:55,208 --> 00:38:57,541
categorizing the equipment? And so the

1064
00:38:57,541 --> 00:38:59,625
ROV and playing video games is just a

1065
00:38:59,625 --> 00:39:02,541
really great example of that. And it

1066
00:39:02,541 --> 00:39:05,125
also, I think, makes it really clear that

1067
00:39:05,125 --> 00:39:08,083
science can be for anybody who's

1068
00:39:08,083 --> 00:39:10,541
interested. That all paths, you know,

1069
00:39:10,791 --> 00:39:11,791
they used to lead to Rome.

1070
00:39:11,791 --> 00:39:12,500
Now they lead to science.

1071
00:39:13,125 --> 00:39:17,000
I love that. I love that. You know, one

1072
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,291
thing for me when I when I'm

1073
00:39:19,291 --> 00:39:20,958
communicating through the podcast and

1074
00:39:20,958 --> 00:39:23,083
talking to the audience and just saying,

1075
00:39:23,083 --> 00:39:24,625
hey, you know what, as we discover more

1076
00:39:24,625 --> 00:39:26,375
species, we learn more about these

1077
00:39:26,375 --> 00:39:28,541
environments like the deep sea and other

1078
00:39:28,541 --> 00:39:29,666
environments and we're

1079
00:39:29,666 --> 00:39:31,083
able to protect it more.

1080
00:39:31,583 --> 00:39:33,250
Now, how do you like how do you

1081
00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:34,583
discoveries like, you know, sponge reefs

1082
00:39:34,583 --> 00:39:37,750
and and glass sponge reefs and and skate

1083
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:40,750
nurseries like those kind of grounds and

1084
00:39:40,750 --> 00:39:42,625
those types of environments, they can

1085
00:39:42,625 --> 00:39:44,541
directly influence whether something is

1086
00:39:44,541 --> 00:39:46,666
protected or not. So like, how does

1087
00:39:46,666 --> 00:39:48,583
science from this project support

1088
00:39:48,583 --> 00:39:49,083
conservation planning?

1089
00:39:50,125 --> 00:39:52,291
Yeah, I can talk about this from the my

1090
00:39:52,291 --> 00:39:56,333
lens specifically of scientists at the

1091
00:39:56,333 --> 00:39:59,166
issue of missions in Canada. So I'm a

1092
00:39:59,166 --> 00:40:01,583
biologist that is part of the science

1093
00:40:01,583 --> 00:40:03,875
team. And then there's another team of

1094
00:40:03,875 --> 00:40:05,708
mission scientists in the best of the

1095
00:40:05,708 --> 00:40:07,000
mission management and policy.

1096
00:40:07,125 --> 00:40:09,833
Yeah. And so as part of the science team,

1097
00:40:09,833 --> 00:40:11,791
we're going to take what we learned from

1098
00:40:11,791 --> 00:40:16,458
all of these expeditions, these dives,

1099
00:40:16,958 --> 00:40:19,250
all the amazing things we have. And we

1100
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:23,625
try to get it, analyze it, and find the

1101
00:40:23,625 --> 00:40:25,500
patterns that describe where these

1102
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:27,208
habitats are, what the vulnerabilities

1103
00:40:27,208 --> 00:40:30,458
are, whether they're key players to it,

1104
00:40:30,458 --> 00:40:31,083
those sorts of things.

1105
00:40:31,125 --> 00:40:33,666
And then we try and pass on that science

1106
00:40:33,666 --> 00:40:35,916
advice about it towards the ocean

1107
00:40:35,916 --> 00:40:38,500
management. And then from there, they go

1108
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:40,166
through their policy processes to

1109
00:40:40,166 --> 00:40:41,958
potentially do things like establishing

1110
00:40:41,958 --> 00:40:44,541
areas, which involves, you know,

1111
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:46,333
consulting with the public, with the

1112
00:40:46,333 --> 00:40:49,250
stations, looking at the feasibility of

1113
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:51,708
trade off with stakeholders, say, like

1114
00:40:51,708 --> 00:40:53,375
the fishing industry,

1115
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:54,083
those sorts of things.

1116
00:40:54,125 --> 00:40:57,083
So that's what the processes from the

1117
00:40:57,083 --> 00:40:59,291
fishing and fishing, yeah, on the lens.

1118
00:40:59,583 --> 00:41:01,541
And then there might be other processes,

1119
00:41:01,875 --> 00:41:03,458
for example, there are indigenous

1120
00:41:03,458 --> 00:41:07,833
conservation efforts, right. And that's

1121
00:41:07,833 --> 00:41:09,791
another strength of this collaboration is

1122
00:41:09,791 --> 00:41:11,958
that the knowledge is going up multiple

1123
00:41:11,958 --> 00:41:14,666
channels for what we're finding.

1124
00:41:15,958 --> 00:41:17,416
Yeah. And Monica, from an education

1125
00:41:17,416 --> 00:41:20,791
standpoint, is that communicated to the

1126
00:41:20,791 --> 00:41:22,333
communities and the students who are

1127
00:41:22,333 --> 00:41:24,291
watching this, like, you know, from

1128
00:41:24,291 --> 00:41:27,958
discovery to conservation, there are a

1129
00:41:27,958 --> 00:41:30,000
number of different paths that, you know,

1130
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,500
conservation can be done and go through.

1131
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,416
Is that is that communicated towards the

1132
00:41:33,416 --> 00:41:34,916
students and communities and how do they

1133
00:41:34,916 --> 00:41:36,875
react to these types of processes?

1134
00:41:37,125 --> 00:41:39,208
Well, I sure hope it's being communicated

1135
00:41:39,208 --> 00:41:41,083
to them, you know, you're never really

1136
00:41:41,083 --> 00:41:44,000
sure, but you're so and you know, some of

1137
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,458
the evidence that that we have that that

1138
00:41:45,458 --> 00:41:49,208
is the case is just how how action

1139
00:41:49,208 --> 00:41:51,291
oriented the students are after we talk

1140
00:41:51,291 --> 00:41:53,458
to them, you know, like, the conservation

1141
00:41:53,458 --> 00:41:56,291
effort isn't just a lecture at someone,

1142
00:41:56,291 --> 00:41:57,666
hey, you got to do this, you should

1143
00:41:57,666 --> 00:41:59,083
behave this way, don't forget to.

1144
00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:01,625
It's actually where the students go,

1145
00:42:01,625 --> 00:42:03,375
well, I'm going to do this now, or I'm

1146
00:42:03,375 --> 00:42:05,166
going to make this change, I'm going to

1147
00:42:05,166 --> 00:42:07,666
do this action, or I can't wait to tell

1148
00:42:07,666 --> 00:42:10,625
my my so and so about this or that or the

1149
00:42:10,625 --> 00:42:12,250
next thing. And so it's more than just

1150
00:42:12,250 --> 00:42:14,708
this, like, passive, do better.

1151
00:42:15,125 --> 00:42:17,666
It's a, hey, that's really cool. I think

1152
00:42:17,666 --> 00:42:19,583
I could do better, or I could do more,

1153
00:42:19,583 --> 00:42:20,333
you know, it doesn't

1154
00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:21,083
always have to be punitive.

1155
00:42:21,125 --> 00:42:24,791
So I think, you know, in that sense, it

1156
00:42:24,791 --> 00:42:27,041
is working, we are able to communicate to

1157
00:42:27,041 --> 00:42:29,500
them how, you know, exciting and

1158
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:31,916
important it is. And then they're able to

1159
00:42:31,916 --> 00:42:34,750
take that and be at least a little bit

1160
00:42:34,750 --> 00:42:35,916
empowered and at the

1161
00:42:35,916 --> 00:42:37,083
very least inspired by it.

1162
00:42:37,125 --> 00:42:40,083
Yeah, no, I love that. And just to add to

1163
00:42:40,083 --> 00:42:42,083
this to like another question for you,

1164
00:42:42,083 --> 00:42:45,541
Monica is, you know, it's, it's one thing

1165
00:42:45,541 --> 00:42:47,375
I found interesting is when you like

1166
00:42:47,375 --> 00:42:50,666
focus on turning data into stories as a

1167
00:42:50,666 --> 00:42:52,375
storyteller myself, you know, I find that

1168
00:42:52,375 --> 00:42:53,375
interesting, just so that people can

1169
00:42:53,375 --> 00:42:55,000
understand a lot of the stuff that comes

1170
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,166
out of of the live streams and the RV

1171
00:42:58,166 --> 00:43:00,500
sessions is can be complex for a lot of

1172
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,291
people to understand how do you turn that

1173
00:43:03,291 --> 00:43:06,083
type of data that those type of of of discoveries and how do you turn that data into a

1174
00:43:06,125 --> 00:43:09,833
of discoveries into, you know, something

1175
00:43:09,833 --> 00:43:11,916
that's complex into something simple that

1176
00:43:11,916 --> 00:43:13,750
people can understand and enjoy that that

1177
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:15,208
type of story, because there's nothing

1178
00:43:15,208 --> 00:43:17,416
like talking about data in the table. I

1179
00:43:17,416 --> 00:43:19,750
mean, to really get people interested. So

1180
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:21,958
how do you take that and be like, okay,

1181
00:43:21,958 --> 00:43:22,958
like this is this is

1182
00:43:22,958 --> 00:43:24,083
what the real story is here.

1183
00:43:24,250 --> 00:43:27,250
Well, I think that's, as you said, what's

1184
00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:29,083
the real story that the data is telling

1185
00:43:29,083 --> 00:43:32,791
us and using that as your as your point

1186
00:43:32,791 --> 00:43:35,250
to to bring people in and I'll use an

1187
00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:36,625
example specific to

1188
00:43:36,625 --> 00:43:37,541
Ocean Networks Canada.

1189
00:43:38,208 --> 00:43:40,875
We have instrumentation on BC ferries.

1190
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,000
And if you're an Islander or a Vancouver,

1191
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,958
right, you're familiar with BC ferries,

1192
00:43:44,958 --> 00:43:47,083
at least a name. And we're all familiar

1193
00:43:47,083 --> 00:43:48,416
with that back and forth and back and

1194
00:43:48,416 --> 00:43:49,166
forth and back and forth.

1195
00:43:49,625 --> 00:43:51,708
And what Ocean Networks Canada is doing

1196
00:43:51,708 --> 00:43:53,541
is actually sampling the water as the

1197
00:43:53,541 --> 00:43:54,916
ferries go back and forth and back and

1198
00:43:54,916 --> 00:43:57,416
forth. And yeah, the individual water

1199
00:43:57,416 --> 00:43:58,833
sample might tell you temperature

1200
00:43:58,833 --> 00:44:00,791
salinity, maybe a bit of chlorophyll,

1201
00:44:00,791 --> 00:44:02,500
which on its own, maybe

1202
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:03,083
isn't really anything.

1203
00:44:03,125 --> 00:44:06,125
But in the whole story, we can see that

1204
00:44:06,125 --> 00:44:08,708
the ocean has seasons just the same way

1205
00:44:08,708 --> 00:44:10,500
that the land has seasons. There's a

1206
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:12,875
growth, there's a blooming of plants,

1207
00:44:13,125 --> 00:44:15,333
there's a die off of plants, there's

1208
00:44:15,333 --> 00:44:16,333
summer, there's winter,

1209
00:44:16,541 --> 00:44:17,833
there's fall within the ocean.

1210
00:44:18,125 --> 00:44:20,750
And so to be able to make that connection

1211
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:23,041
that, you know, not only are we looking

1212
00:44:23,041 --> 00:44:25,375
forward to a nice June summer coming some

1213
00:44:25,375 --> 00:44:28,208
of the animals and creatures there as

1214
00:44:28,208 --> 00:44:31,416
well to make that approachable or, you

1215
00:44:31,416 --> 00:44:33,000
know, using the very example again,

1216
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:36,000
crossing from Vancouver Island to

1217
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,458
Vancouver, where you get to the Fraser

1218
00:44:37,458 --> 00:44:39,833
and you get that that brown water hidden

1219
00:44:39,833 --> 00:44:41,000
up in water, what's going

1220
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,958
on there, what's happening.

1221
00:44:42,125 --> 00:44:44,875
And so, you know, taking a simple density

1222
00:44:44,875 --> 00:44:46,916
tank and show it here's some freshwater,

1223
00:44:46,916 --> 00:44:48,041
here's some salt water, look at how they

1224
00:44:48,041 --> 00:44:50,291
interact. And all of a sudden, what was

1225
00:44:50,291 --> 00:44:52,416
this kind of mystery like,

1226
00:44:52,416 --> 00:44:53,708
oh, what is that? I don't know.

1227
00:44:53,708 --> 00:44:55,375
Moving on. You all of a sudden feel like

1228
00:44:55,375 --> 00:44:57,416
a total expert or at least the kids seem

1229
00:44:57,416 --> 00:44:59,750
to feel like a total expert. And and

1230
00:44:59,750 --> 00:45:02,208
that's that's, you know, data becoming

1231
00:45:02,208 --> 00:45:04,875
real. And that's what is really fun is

1232
00:45:04,875 --> 00:45:06,083
when it's not just numbers.

1233
00:45:06,125 --> 00:45:09,291
It's not just because it's, oh, that's

1234
00:45:09,291 --> 00:45:11,458
the Fraser River, which is mostly fresh,

1235
00:45:11,833 --> 00:45:13,666
hitting the ocean, which is mostly salty,

1236
00:45:14,041 --> 00:45:15,916
and they don't interact right away. So

1237
00:45:15,916 --> 00:45:18,375
that's that's when it the data becomes

1238
00:45:18,375 --> 00:45:21,083
real, you know, I love that. I love that.

1239
00:45:21,833 --> 00:45:23,666
Now, Heidi, if there's one thing, you

1240
00:45:23,666 --> 00:45:25,750
know, you wish like every listener that's

1241
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:27,208
listening to this would understand about

1242
00:45:27,208 --> 00:45:29,750
the deep ocean after hearing this

1243
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:31,250
episode, what would it be because like

1244
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:34,125
deep sea is all over the news these days

1245
00:45:34,125 --> 00:45:36,083
for one reason or another, we don't have to get into that.

1246
00:45:36,125 --> 00:45:39,041
But, you know, what do you hope that

1247
00:45:39,041 --> 00:45:41,125
people really understand about the deep

1248
00:45:41,125 --> 00:45:43,458
sea and kind of get from this episode? I

1249
00:45:43,458 --> 00:45:45,708
hope that people get an understanding

1250
00:45:45,708 --> 00:45:48,375
that it's not just this remote, dark,

1251
00:45:48,375 --> 00:45:52,208
scary place that it is actually just

1252
00:45:52,208 --> 00:45:54,083
writing incredible place on our planet.

1253
00:45:54,125 --> 00:45:57,041
on our planet. And that actually, I don't

1254
00:45:57,041 --> 00:45:58,583
know if I've touched on in enough this

1255
00:45:58,583 --> 00:46:02,166
episode, but not only is it important for

1256
00:46:02,166 --> 00:46:05,166
its diversity of life, but the devotion

1257
00:46:05,166 --> 00:46:07,958
really does a lot for us as humans and

1258
00:46:07,958 --> 00:46:09,666
we're connected to it. So yes, it's

1259
00:46:09,666 --> 00:46:12,041
everything from the, you know, connecting

1260
00:46:12,041 --> 00:46:14,000
to the animals that we see and like

1261
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,166
loving them for being diverse and

1262
00:46:17,166 --> 00:46:19,125
providing that, you know, these are

1263
00:46:19,125 --> 00:46:20,083
related to our food sources.

1264
00:46:20,125 --> 00:46:23,833
These are habitats in the deep sea that

1265
00:46:23,833 --> 00:46:25,875
have done things for us like climate

1266
00:46:25,875 --> 00:46:29,166
regulation are helping us fight climate

1267
00:46:29,166 --> 00:46:31,458
change. And so we are really connected to

1268
00:46:31,458 --> 00:46:34,208
the ocean, even things like genetics

1269
00:46:34,208 --> 00:46:37,000
research has been incredible

1270
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,083
discoveries for the deep sea.

1271
00:46:38,125 --> 00:46:41,791
So, yeah, I just want people to feel

1272
00:46:41,791 --> 00:46:43,666
connection to it. And I think that's the

1273
00:46:43,666 --> 00:46:47,375
biggest goal of this program is that it's

1274
00:46:47,375 --> 00:46:50,750
not just a website, a blind, we want it

1275
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:52,625
in the blinds and we actually want it in

1276
00:46:52,625 --> 00:46:53,083
your hearts as well.

1277
00:46:53,125 --> 00:46:58,541
Yeah, so yeah, I would love if people

1278
00:46:58,541 --> 00:47:01,000
wanted to learn more, if you go to

1279
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,083
www.machin.com that's our website and a

1280
00:47:06,083 --> 00:47:08,791
lot of videos, we have a lot of pictures,

1281
00:47:09,041 --> 00:47:10,583
these are all up for grabs for people to

1282
00:47:10,583 --> 00:47:12,208
see. And you can get a better

1283
00:47:12,208 --> 00:47:14,125
understanding of the incredible life of

1284
00:47:14,125 --> 00:47:15,791
the blind and the deaf.

1285
00:47:17,125 --> 00:47:17,750
It's phenomenal.

1286
00:47:18,916 --> 00:47:20,500
Love it. Love it. Now, Monica, I'm going

1287
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:22,166
to ask you a slightly different question.

1288
00:47:22,458 --> 00:47:24,458
It's more of if there's one thing that

1289
00:47:24,458 --> 00:47:26,500
you hope like students take away from

1290
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:28,750
participating in this project, whether

1291
00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:30,666
they're in person with you or even just

1292
00:47:30,666 --> 00:47:32,083
online. What would

1293
00:47:32,083 --> 00:47:33,083
you hope that would be?

1294
00:47:33,125 --> 00:47:35,250
I hope it's what students take away from

1295
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:37,416
this is that not only do they have an

1296
00:47:37,416 --> 00:47:39,125
opportunity to engage in science, they

1297
00:47:39,125 --> 00:47:41,458
have a voice in science. They have a

1298
00:47:41,458 --> 00:47:45,125
voice coming up that they can say to our

1299
00:47:45,125 --> 00:47:47,000
leaders leadership, whoever it is,

1300
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,166
whatever time, know the

1301
00:47:48,166 --> 00:47:49,000
deep sea is important.

1302
00:47:49,208 --> 00:47:50,458
We've got to look after it. We need to

1303
00:47:50,458 --> 00:47:51,750
take care of it. I hope

1304
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:53,166
that their career choices.

1305
00:47:54,125 --> 00:47:56,791
And also promote like, you know,

1306
00:47:56,791 --> 00:47:59,375
renewable energies. I want to learn

1307
00:47:59,375 --> 00:48:02,125
renewable energy as my job skill and I

1308
00:48:02,125 --> 00:48:04,000
want to look at what the ocean is doing

1309
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,291
because I'm into conservation. So I guess

1310
00:48:06,291 --> 00:48:08,375
for me, the real actionable piece that I

1311
00:48:08,375 --> 00:48:10,625
hope to take away from this is that they

1312
00:48:10,625 --> 00:48:12,500
have a choice and they have a choice

1313
00:48:14,125 --> 00:48:16,291
to shape what conservation looks like, to

1314
00:48:16,291 --> 00:48:18,291
shape what their engagement in the ocean

1315
00:48:18,291 --> 00:48:20,041
looks like. And that, you know, like

1316
00:48:20,041 --> 00:48:22,375
Heidi said, we don't necessarily have to

1317
00:48:22,375 --> 00:48:24,583
use what people have said before us. You

1318
00:48:24,583 --> 00:48:27,083
know, the ocean, the deep ocean isn't a

1319
00:48:27,083 --> 00:48:30,500
scary, deep, dark, achy place. It's an

1320
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:33,041
environment with really cool creatures

1321
00:48:33,041 --> 00:48:35,875
that are just phenomenal.

1322
00:48:36,333 --> 00:48:37,916
I love that. I love that. Now, just for

1323
00:48:37,916 --> 00:48:39,041
this is the ones for both of you. We'll

1324
00:48:39,041 --> 00:48:39,833
start with you, Heidi.

1325
00:48:40,333 --> 00:48:43,000
What gives both, like what gives you hope

1326
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,541
for the future of ocean exploration and

1327
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ocean education in Canada?

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I have to say I'm excited because there

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are some government initiatives as my

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government representatives.

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Canada's 2030 Nature Strategy, it

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emphasizes that we are going to use the

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best available science and knowledge

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alongside indigenous leadership

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partnerships to help in the worst

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biotaverse sea loss.

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So this is really incredible momentum for

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the deep sea exploration. I think it

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recognizes that, you know, we can't

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effectively protect what we don't fully

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understand moving forward.

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And that it's also incredible because

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we're committed to protecting 30% of our

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oceans by 2030. And so that's a cool,

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cool that's driving investment

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partnerships,

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innovation and also in education.

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And then last but not least, we also have

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Canada's ocean literacy.

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Last but not least, we also have Canada's

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ocean literacy strategy. I

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don't know why that's hard to say.

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I think that people to the ocean, the

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storytelling outreach, learning

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opportunities and it's really important.

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And that's what we're trying to do, but

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we're trying to build up our

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understanding and support.

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And especially.

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That's fantastic. And Monica yourself.

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I think just I hope the future is one

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that is ocean looking at one that

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recognizes that Canada has the largest

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coastline in the world. I

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mean, we've got ocean everywhere.

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And so getting people to just engage in

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that in whatever way is accessible and

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appropriate for them is really amazing.

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If it's, you know, if it's not within

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travel distance, engaging with us online,

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either through ONC or projects like this.

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If it is within travel distance, you

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know, treating it like a relative, at

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least visiting once a year, you know.

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Exactly. Ladies, this has been

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phenomenal. I really appreciate you

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taking the time and putting in the work

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like just to help us understand more

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about deep deep and and it's important.

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But also the work that you put into the

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project. It's wonderful to see people

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being able to be connected to the deep

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00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,916
sea as as you guys as you both do and as

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00:51:05,916 --> 00:51:07,125
your project and your and all your

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00:51:07,125 --> 00:51:08,416
collaborators do and all

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the people who participate.

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So everybody involved. Thank you so much.

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And we appreciate you taking the time

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here to spend some time with us. Really

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appreciate it. On behalf

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of you, can I say thank you.

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Let go. I love and the best. Love it.

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00:51:25,166 --> 00:51:27,333
Thank you. That's awesome. Thank you very

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00:51:27,333 --> 00:51:28,708
much, ladies. Appreciate it. Thank you,

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Monica and Heidi, for joining us on

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today's episode of the How

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00:51:31,791 --> 00:51:32,708
to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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What a great way to close out the special

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00:51:35,208 --> 00:51:38,000
series with Ocean Networks Canada. Look,

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the deep sea can feel distant, mysterious

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and disconnected from our everyday lives.

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But as we heard today, it plays a major

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role in how our planet works.

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And the more we explore it, the more we

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realize how much there still is to learn.

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I want to thank Ocean Networks Canada for

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00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:57,750
collaborating with me on this series,

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00:51:58,208 --> 00:51:59,375
Surfacing Secrets Explore

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the Ocean, Know the Planet.

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This series has been about showing how

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ocean observing technology, education and

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research help us better understand the

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ocean so we can make a

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better decision for the planet.

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And of course, thank you for listening to

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this episode of the How to Protect the

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00:52:15,541 --> 00:52:17,375
Ocean podcast. If you enjoyed this

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00:52:17,375 --> 00:52:19,291
series, please share it with someone who

1419
00:52:19,291 --> 00:52:21,541
loves the ocean and works in ocean

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conservation and just wants to understand

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what is happening beneath the surface.

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I'm Andrew Lewin. Thank you so much for

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00:52:28,541 --> 00:52:30,500
joining me on today's episode of the How

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to Protect the Ocean podcast. Have a

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great day. We'll talk to you next time

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and happy conservation.