What Happens When People Show Up for the Planet

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Over the past couple of weeks, we've
seen some pretty interesting developments

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around AI data centers in North America
especially, sometimes around the world,

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but especially I've seen some news

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about AI data centers, and how people
do not want them in their backyard.

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It's been pretty interesting how a lot
of billionaires and data centers and

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committees have been kind of pushing this
behind the scenes, and people haven't

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been around them, and it was a little
dangerous to see at the beginning.

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People were really worried where these
data centers were gonna get snuck in.

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A few of them have been snuck
in, but it was snuck in, where

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there's a lot of issues around it.

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I'm actually doing an episode on it
right now for The Ocean Decoded to

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talk about data centers and their
environmental footprint, but there's

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also a lot of other things going along.

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In today's episode, we're gonna
be talking about the power of

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communities and the power of people.

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When they don't want something, it
doesn't get done, and we're seeing

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that happen here in Canada and in
the US, where a lot of data centers

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are getting canceled because people
are showing up and having their say.

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And that's what happens when you live in
a democracy and you can have that say,

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but not always, and here are some of
the things that we need to look out for.

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And here are some of the
opportunities that we could use

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when we look at AI data centers.

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And while, again, more information is
gonna come out on The Ocean Decoded

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soon, probably within the next couple
weeks, and you'll be able to see that.

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I've got a little bit of a mini
documentary coming out for Ocean Decoded.

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All right.

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This is the How to
Protect the Ocean podcast.

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We're gonna start this episode up
where you get your ocean news update.

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This is Oceans Week.

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This is the place where you find out
all the resources you need to do to help

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protect the ocean and get in tune and fall
in love with the ocean all over again.

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Today, we're gonna be talking about
a lot of issues are facing the ocean.

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A lot of people are doing some
really bad things in the ocean.

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And a lot of the times, certain things get
passed or legislation gets stripped down.

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We've seen that in the
US and Canada right now.

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But people are standing up to the
governments, and they're having

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their say, and they're not happy.

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And the governments in certain places,
especially locally, are actually working.

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And this is an episode not just about how
if we stand up together as communities,

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we get things accomplished, 'cause
it doesn't always happen that way,

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but we can get things accomplished.

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This is a-about not giving up in
especially a time where we're looking

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at a lot of environmental rollbacks,
a lot of pressure against the

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environment in place of the economy.

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We are seeing a lot of problems here.

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And this is a place where you can
just be like, "You know what? I want

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you to really understand the power
of the voice, the power of the voice

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that you have especially if you're
living here in North America." So

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we're gonna talk all about that because
a lot of the times we have this eco

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anxiety, we have this ocean anxiety.

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A lot of people see it.

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You see it on the news, data
centers are going in right, left,

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and center, and billionaires are
putting them in, and they think…

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You know, they're very out of touch.

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They just don't understand our plight.

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If you haven't seen any of the videos
from Kevin O'Leary where he's been

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trying to defend his Utah data center,
where he's going to have it powered.

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It's like the size of
Manhattan is going in Utah.

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And apparently the people of Utah didn't
really have a say on how it was going in,

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when it was going in, how big it was, or
how it was being powered, the water usage.

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And let's be honest, in Utah especially,
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drought year after year after year.

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Salt Lake, which is like in Utah,
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It continues to lose water because of
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And here is this data center that's
threatening to use water from that

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area when they're in a drought.

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It doesn't make sense from an
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water perspective, the usage perspective.

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And it sounded like a lot of people
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data center was going through.

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Not to say that they weren't paying
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snuck through when they didn't expect it.

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So in comes Kevin O'Leary, who's
the mastermind around this.

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He wanted to put it in.

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And when it got passed three to zero
on the committee, a lot of people

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were upset 'cause the committee
didn't even listen to the people's

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concerns, what they were worried about.

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They weren't necessarily
against it altogether.

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They wanted to know more about the
project and how it's going to affect.

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What's the impact assessment?

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What's the environmental
impact assessment?

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How's it gonna affect
their drinking water?

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How's it gonna affect their environment?

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What power is it gonna be use-
is gonna be used on their grid?

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I don't know if you've noticed, but we're
in a bit of an energy crisis where we

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don't have enough power, and the amount of
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is bigger and bigger than it ever has.

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So making sure that power's is being
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center as well as the people is
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Without coming through and making
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are shown and doing it properly,
if you're gonna put it in, doing it

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properly, if that's even possible,
they just kind of snuck it through.

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And now, from my understanding, they've
kinda taken it back after a while.

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They've taken some of those
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may not go in as necessary.

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Now, with that said, there's been a lot of
data center stories that have been popping

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up for AI, 'cause AI is everywhere.

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And just like cryptocurrency
when it came out, data centers

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had to be brought together.

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Cryptocurrency mines,
these I guess, crypto.

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I don't even know the whole part of it.

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But they use these large servers
to mine, and they're always working

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and need to be cooled down 'cause it
heats up, and they need to be powered.

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And a lot of the times, the power
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depending on where you are, which
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And so there's a lot of problems when
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it, especially when we look at there.

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And a lot of those cryptocurrency
data centers kinda got snuck in.

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It wasn't as a prominent a story
when these data centers went in.

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But they went in in areas where land
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impoverished before, whether it's in a
developing country or a developed country.

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And people just didn't really
know about it until we saw it.

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And I'll be honest, like there's
some concern that I have like in our

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rural area, I live just outside the
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There's a lot of big warehouses going
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Sometimes they'll have like
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heard of some of these companies.

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I know one's an Amazon Center,
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But a lot of the other times
you're just like, "Wait a minute.

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Hold on a second.

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Like, what are these data centers?

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Is this what this is gonna be?"
There's concerns of noise, there's

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concerns of water, there's concerns
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A lot of concerns.

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And when committees and local communities
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do not address the people, the people
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So case in point just locally here, there
was a data center that was proposed in

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Hamilton, just the city right beside us.

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Pretty big city, over 300,000,
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consider the surrounding areas.

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People were pissed that this data
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on for, like, a couple of weeks.

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I saw a lot of videos, people trying
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When they were outside, this happened this
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When they were outside, and they
were yelling, and they were inside,

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and they were talking, and they were
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the council for Hamilton, the City of
Hamilton, said, "Hey, you know what?"

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It wasn't necessarily like a data center
was going in, it was about how this

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land could be severed to allow the data
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And the councilor said, "Hey, you know
what? Based on the feedback we're getting

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from the community, the feedback we've
gotten all week," he's had over thousands

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of emails, 1,600 emails, talking about
how they don't want this data center in.

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He's not gonna approve it because
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he is beholden to the people.

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When you have councilors and you
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to the people, things go right.

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If you are not happy with
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As long as the people show up.

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You have to show up in numbers.

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If you show up one or
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They may see, like, the benefits, or they
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and we need to do this, and we need
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leaders." And this is the problem with
things like AI and like crypto before,

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is everybody wants to be a leader in
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develop and develop and develop, and
they, recoil, or they exempt certain

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environmental regulations so it can go
through faster, so they can get more

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data centers up and do more with AI.

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And I'm not necessarily against AI.

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I use it in my process.

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But I also want this stuff
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There's a reason why we have legislation
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things like data centers in areas
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There is a proposed area that
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Saskatchewan or Alberta.

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It's on indigenous land, like actual
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And there's, like, a consulting period
with the indigenous people, but they don't

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have a say on whether it goes in or not.

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That doesn't make sense.

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That doesn't make sense one bit.

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And unfortunately, I don't know
the full details on that, so I

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don't wanna speak about that.

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This is what I'm talking about by
having regulations happen for a reason,

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putting in the right regulations and
no exemptions, and people have a say.

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If you're putting it on someone's
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it's a reservation, whether it's a
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Those people should have a
say, should have a say on what

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goes in, what doesn't go in.

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And the people who are in charge of making
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get there should listen to the people.

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If the majority of people and
they're making big noise that they

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don't want it, it shouldn't go in.

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And if it does go in, it
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And the one thing that I've learned and
what I love about indigenous groups is

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that when a proposal like this comes
in, they make sure it's good for the

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people, it's good for the environment,
and it's good for the community.

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But what's it gonna do
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And how is it gonna affect
the community as a whole?

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How's it gonna affect the environment?

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'Cause they live in unison
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That's the thought process
when they make decisions, and

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that's an important process.

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We talked about it yesterday, when
we were talking about how we should

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love the ocean, and we should consider
the ocean in every decision that

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we make, and that's what happens,
and we should consider the land.

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But the whole point of this episode is,
is you're taking these data centers,

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and people are against putting these
data centers in their backyard.

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They don't want the noise, they don't
want to give up the water usage,

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they don't wanna give up the power.

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' Some of these data centers are powered
by renewable energy, but a lot of them

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are gonna be proposed to be powered
by natural gas, maybe even nuclear.

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And some people don't like that.

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Obviously, the nuclear is kind of
like considered renewable, but people

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have problems for obvious reasons.

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And then of course, there's the
fossil fuels, like natural gas.

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You don't want to use natural gas.

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You wanna use renewables
to be able to power this.

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And so this is where it could be
done right, where the regulations

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stipulate that this has to happen.

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If we really wanna get towards a net
zero future, which we have to so that we

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don't affect climate change, or we can
reduce climate change, we need to do this.

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This needs to happen, and I think
it's important that it does.

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I love the fact that people are kind
of like standing up, and it's working.

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Not in all cases, but standing up.

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And I think that's the thing is
that you see these communities

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come together, all different
backgrounds, all different people.

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They don't have to be scientists.

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They don't have to be regulators.

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They don't have to be policy people.

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They don't have to be lawyers.

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They can be everybody.

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Any background.

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We are in this together as a community.

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And so if you don't want a data center
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then you speak up for that reason.

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And you speak up to your councilors.

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You speak up to your state
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representatives as well because they
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vote for them the next time.

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That's really what it comes down to.

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It's not always black and white like that.

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It's not always clear.

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The future can sometimes be a little
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but this is how it should work,
and we're seeing the fight happen.

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And I know from an environmental
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seeing a lot of things get recoiled from
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Canada with all these pipelines going in.

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But we need to stand up.

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There are people all over the world
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up in droves, who are making the
public comments and everything.

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So when it comes down to it,
those will be listened to,

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depending on who's there, right?

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And what's good about a lot of these
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affect the planet for a long time.

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These politicians aren't gonna be
there for that long, for most of them.

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And so you need to make these
decisions for the long term.

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Think long term rather than short
term like a politician thinks,

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and I think that's something
that's really, really important.

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The bad ones, anyway.

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The good politicians think beyond
their own power and their own time.

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So, that's it for today's episode.

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I'd love to hear what you think.

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Are you getting part of these
AI data centers, like protests?

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Have you gone out to some?

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Are you contributing to campaigns for
some, like in terms of effort or monetary?

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I would love to hear
your thoughts on this.

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Hit me up in the socials
in the show notes below.

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And of course, if you wanna be part of
our community, you can join our Patreon.

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Go to speakupforblue.com/patreon,
and you can join the Patreon.

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You can also get the podcast
episodes on there as well if you

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just want the interviews and if
you want all of them together or

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if you just want the solo episodes.

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So there'll be two things, and
of course, you can just use your

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podcast app that you're on now
to get everything all at once.

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So there are different options.

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Those will be free.

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Community will be a cost just for my time.

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We'll get together once a month and
have a good chat about the ocean.

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So that's it for today's episode.

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I wanna thank you so much for showing
up to listen to this and showing

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up to make sure that your community
is doing the right thing when it's

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time to protect the environment.

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Thank you so much for joining
us on today's episode of the How

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to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.

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Have a great day.

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We'll talk to you next time,
and happy conservation.