What Happens When Politicians Ignore Ocean Science?

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I think there's a confusion with
environmental and ocean conservation.

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People think that ocean
conservation is hard.

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If you strip away all the different,
like, politics and everything like that,

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protecting an ocean is not difficult.

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What's difficult is getting people
to buy into that protection,

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to agree to this protection.

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To take away greed and understand that the
ocean is a part of us, and we're a part of

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it, and that we need to protect the ocean.

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But when we put together legislation,
strong legislation, that has

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been worked on both parties or
numerous parties and non-partisan.

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Where people are working together on
it, and they have a vested interest

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in making sure that our planet is
protected, especially within the

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boundaries that they can protect,
ocean conservation is not difficult.

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And we've seen a lot of success
from it in a lot of different ways.

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From policies that don't normally
get see the light of day on big

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news items on, like, CNN or on CBC
or even on NPR and stuff like that.

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It's not sexy news.

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And it's not really made to be sexy.

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What's sexy is the outcome when we
look at how we treat the ocean and

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how when we change our ways and put
the laws and policies and regulations

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into place, that we can actually be
successful in protecting the ocean.

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This is exciting.

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We're gonna be talking about policies
and regulations that may not be

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sexy in the regular news but that
have actually worked over time.

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I've talked about this before,
but I wanna talk about this again

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because they're so important.

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By putting the legal framework into play,
once this gets passed and once it gets

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agreed on, once it gets enforced, we
become active ocean conservation managers.

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As nations, as international
nations, this is what we do.

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As a world, as a planet, we can
actually protect the part of the

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planet that covers 70% of it, over 70%
of it, and I think that's important.

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But the problem is, is those
legislations, sometimes they don't

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go anywhere or they get kiboshed
because a certain party or a certain

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individual does not like the environment.

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Hint, hint, Trump, Trump.

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And so it gets all discombobulated, and
regulations get rolled back and stuff.

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You have to put it together, you have
to put it in play, you have to pass it

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in law, but you also have to enforce it.

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You have to make sure that you
continue to put that into play.

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And once you do that, you get to see
some huge successes, and we're gonna

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talk about some of those huge successes.

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For Canada, for my country, we
were at less than 1% protection.

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We talked about this earlier this week.

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Less than 1% protected of our oceans
within the longest coastline of

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the world, within the exclusive
economic zone of 200 nautical miles.

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We have actually increased it from
less than 1% in 2016 to over 15%, and

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there's a new proposal we talked about
yesterday where they're gonna increase

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it even more by designating more marine
protected areas, putting $3.8 billion

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Canadian into the pot to put together
a number of different protected areas

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at sea and on land and in fresh water.

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Huge.

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Huge things.

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But we couldn't put that into place
until we had the actual regulations,

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which were installed in 1997, where
we had the Oceans Act, which allowed

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the Department of Fisheries and
Oceans, the federal government,

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to put in marine protected areas.

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And even then, when they were putting
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extractive activities that could happen.

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And then eventually they stopped that.

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And now it's like fully
protected once you're in there.

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I think they allow scientific
research and things like that.

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But no oil and gas, no mining, no
fisheries, nothing like that.

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So it's wonderful when it works because
now we have the legislative tool to

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put together so that if we needed to
ramp up our protected area space or the

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things that are protected, we did that.

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We could do that, and we did it from
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30% by the time we get to 2030.

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That's in like three and a half years.

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But we can do it because there
are a number of processes that

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are going on because of that
legislation that was enacted in 1997.

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It took us a while to get it
going, but we're actually doing it.

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So we have to have patience, obviously we
want to do it more and faster, but we have

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to have patience and we want to do that.

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And who's to say that we can't
do more than 30%, depending on

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what we're looking at protecting.

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I think that's an important aspect
that we don't see all the time.

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Now let's go back down to
our neighbors down south, my

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neighbors down south in the US.

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The US has had some great
Fisheries Act type thing.

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We have the Fisheries Act that
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where we protect habitat.

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But like the Magnuson-Stevens Act
was a huge thing that were put

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in by Republicans in the '70s.

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We also had the Marine Mammal
Protection Act that was also put

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in by the Republicans in the '70s.

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We had the Endangered Species
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we had the Species At Risk Act.

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All those that were put in back
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because they protect species.

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And if you go back and you look at the
species that they protect, they have

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the legislative tool that triggers
certain processes that actually forces

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the government to ensure that those
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So let's look at something like the
manatee in the US that occurs in Florida.

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They were down to like less than
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They got put on the Endangered Species
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and they went up to 6,000 because that
act triggers a lot of different tools

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and a lot of different processes where
there has to be recovery plans, there

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has to be extra monitoring that's done.

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There has to be like a habitat assessment
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manatees are being able to eat the
seagrasses that they have, making

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sure they're not getting chopped by
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I guess highway or intercoastal
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where they live and there's a
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So there's speed limitations
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There was habitat
restorations that are put in.

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Although they've been taken off and
their population has gone down, which

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they shouldn't have ever been taken
off because we knew that this was

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going to be a problem because of
habitat, we know that it can be put

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back on when the right government's
in place and they can recover again.

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We also have the Magnuson-Stevens Act,
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brought back like the sardines and
anchovies on the West Coast and a lot

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of other fish on the East Coast like
the menhaden because it triggered

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certain processes like stock assessments
to manage and set quotas and set

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limitations on how many fish are being
taken every year and every season.

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These acts not only allowed that to
bring back, but because there were

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more anchovies uh, and herring maybe.

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All these forage fish that were
allowed to come back, we could start

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to see the sea lions come back.

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And because the sea lions came back,
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the great white shark population.

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Because of the Endangered Species Act,
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Act, all these took place because, seals
are marine mammals, so that helped

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them because they weren't allowed to be
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Great white sharks were put on
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They are starting to bloom in population
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Coast, and they're a phenomenal species.

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They're just wonderful.

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But they put the policy in place to be
able to get to that point where we can

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say, "This is a conservation success."

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And people followed it, and
governments followed it, and

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fisheries communities followed it.

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And all these people that had all
their say in this time, and what we've

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learned over the years, have turned
into conservation success stories.

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That's a really important part.

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And there are always, like,
conflicts out on the ocean.

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There's always people who may not be
happy that there are that many sea lions

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or that many great white sharks or,
because of climate change, you start to

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see fisheries slip and stuff like that.

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But that doesn't matter because we have
these monitoring systems in place because

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of the policies that are in place, and
you can see if populations go down.

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You can find out why those
populations are going down.

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Sometimes you can do something about it.

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Maybe you can't do something about it.

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But we can understand the ocean
better because we have these tools

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in our conservation tool belt that
we can use to help protect them.

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And that's really, like… I don't
know if I need to say anything more.

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When we start to use them and we
start to follow them, we can actually

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do some really good for the ocean.

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That's a really important part.

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But we can't have politicians
making decisions to go against them.

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The Ministry of Fisheries and Oceans
here in Canada, DFO, made a decision

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last year to open up offshore fishing
of cod to commercial industries.

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Some people didn't like that.

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The environmental
organizations didn't like that.

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I had Oceana on to talk about that.

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The science didn't follow that.

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This was a decision made by somebody
who's not fisheries-based, who's not

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science-based, is not a scientist, and
they're supposed to follow the science.

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And the science said, "No, let's not do
it," but the politics overcame that.

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And it was the burden that was taken
on by the minister, but the minister,

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to be honest, made the wrong decision.

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We've had a huge history with cod.

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It built our fishing fleet from the
inception of Canada, even before that.

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But we also destroyed it and then
we had to put a moratorium in 1992.

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To destroy it again as it's starting
to recover doesn't make sense.

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So having these politicians make these
types of decisions is really bad for

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the environment, even if you have the
tools to make the right decisions.

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We may not agree with all the decisions
that are made, and that's fine.

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I get that.

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But, like, you gotta follow the science.

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You gotta follow what people are
saying, and you can't just dip into

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pressure because somebody's saying,
"Hey, I need this money," or, "I wanna

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be greedy," and things like that.

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We can't do that.

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We're seeing it in the South happen
in the United States, and it's just…

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You know, when, when politicians don't
have a connection to the environment

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and only see the environment as a
resource, as a natural resource, and

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as a money-making machine, and not
as part of the planet that we live

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on and we need to treat properly.

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I'm not saying we can't take advantage
of some of the natural resources,

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but not to a point where it's
gonna degrade the planet further.

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We need to make decisions
with the planet in mind.

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'Cause that's with us,
our communities in mind.

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And some politicians just don't get it.

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They just don't get it.

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How they get back in power?

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I'm not a political analyst,
so I don't have a clue.

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But, we need to stand up to these types
of politicians, and we need to vote

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with the environment in mind, and the
economy in mind, 'cause we can do both.

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There's lots of things that we can do.

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And some of you may agree with me,
some of you may not, but I do feel

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that we can grow the economy and
the environment, or sometimes not

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necessarily grow the economy, but
we can protect our environment and

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still have good, quality lives.

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That's it for today's episode.

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I wanted to just talk to you about some
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ocean conservation but are very effective.

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And so I wanted to talk about that.

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I would love to hear your opinion.

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You can join the community on Patreon.

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It Go to speakupforblue.com/patreon.

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You can also get access to just our
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We didn't do one this week,
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I'll put this episode up on this week.

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Some people don't like the solo
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it bogs up their newsfeed.

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So we'll put that on Patreon as one, and
I'll try and put just the solo episodes

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on Patreon too if I can do two feeds.

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But if you want all of them,
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on your favorite podcast app.

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I like using Apple Podcasts.

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Sometimes I like using Spotify.

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Sometimes I like using YouTube.

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If you're on all three,
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Subscribe, whatever that might be.

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Whatever's best for you and
how you like to do that.

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But I wanna thank you
for being a supporter.

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I wanna thank you for listening.

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This is such an important part of my
day to be able to talk to you, and

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I really do appreciate it being a
important part for you listening.

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So thank you so much.

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I'm very grateful for what you guys
have been able to do and allow me

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to do, continue to do, to be able
to speak about the oceans on these

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airwaves in this podcasting space.

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And I just appreciate you.

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That's really what it is.

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So this is the end of
Oceans Week, our episodes.

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We hope you enjoyed it.

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Please let me know what you think.

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You can let me know in
any kind of socials.

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They're all in the show notes
as well as the Patreon link.

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And I wanna thank you so much for
joining me on today's episode of the

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How to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.

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Have a great day and a great weekend.

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We'll talk to you on Monday,
and happy conservation.