The Ocean Sensors We Almost Lost

What happens when one of the world’s most important ocean monitoring systems is nearly shut down?
The Ocean Observatories Initiative (OOI) collects critical data on ocean temperatures, oxygen levels, currents, marine ecosystems, and climate change. Earlier this year, parts of the program faced significant cuts, raising concerns among scientists, policymakers, and ocean advocates.
In this episode, we explore why researchers fought so hard to save the OOI, how the National Academies challenged the justification for the cuts, and why long-term ocean observations are essential for understanding climate change, marine ecosystems, and the future of ocean conservation.
If we stop watching the ocean, what might we miss?
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One of the most important ocean
monitoring systems in the world was
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nearly pulled out of the ocean and most
people had no idea it was happening.
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Then something unexpected happened.
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Scientists pushed back.
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The National Academy stepped in
and the decision was reversed.
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So what happened?
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And why does it matter far
beyond one scientific program?
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Today, we're answering
one simple question.
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Why was the Ocean Observatories
Initiative almost dismantled, and
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what does its survival tell us
about the future of ocean science?
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So let's just talk about the basics.
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What happened?
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The Ocean Observatories Initiative,
or OOI, is essentially a giant
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network of scientific instruments
spread throughout the ocean.
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Think of it like a collection
of weather stations.
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Instead of monitoring conditions
on land, these stations
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continuously monitor the ocean.
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They measure things like temperature,
oxygen, currents, ocean chemistry, marine
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life, and climate-related changes.
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Really, really important stuff.
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The system operates around the clock
collecting data every day of the year.
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Researchers use the information to
understand everything from marine
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heatwaves to ecosystem changes
and long-term climate trends.
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And if you think about it, with a super
El Niño knocking on our door, this
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information is gonna be more than ever.
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Earlier this year, the US National
Science Foundation announced plans
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to significantly reduce parts of
the OOI, of the observation system.
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The proposal included
removing infrastructure from
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several observing arrays.
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As a scientist, not that I use the
data, which is freely available,
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this was an alarming situation.
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Not because a single instrument would
disappear, but because long-term
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data records would be interrupted.
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Here's the thing you have to realize
when we talk about long-term data.
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Long-term data, it's important to keep
it consistent, to make sure that you
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are getting the data that comes in on
a regular basis, whether that's every
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minute, whether it's every hour, whether
it's every day, it does not matter.
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You wanna make it consistent.
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Unfortunately, with these long-term
data systems, we get interruptions.
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We get interruptions, gaps
in data, usually because a
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government body gets involved.
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They say, "Hey, you know what?
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This actually costs too much money
to cut." It's an easy thing to cut
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because, like, they can say, "Well,
we have all this data already.
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We don't have to worry about it." But
the problem is, is when you have a
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consistent data set, you end up having
something that's really important.
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Because once a continuous data set
is broken, you can never go back
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and recreate the missing years.
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Imagine deleting several chapters
from a book and then trying to
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understand the entire story.
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That's really what it comes down to.
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That's what losing long-term
monitoring data can feel like.
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The ocean doesn't just stop
changing while we're not watching.
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That just doesn't happen.
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The ocean is constantly changing.
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And to understand, especially in
today's world, especially when we're
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gonna see big changes this year, it's
really important to be able to predict
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those what's gonna happen after those
changes, but monitor those changes.
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And here's why the story became much
bigger than a funding discussion.
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Ocean observations are the
foundation of ocean management.
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We often hear about protecting fisheries,
protecting marine heatwaves, understanding
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climate change, forecasting extreme
weather, managing coastal systems.
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All those decisions depend on data.
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Without observations, we're making
decisions with less information.
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That's why ocean scientists
reacted strongly to this news.
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But the biggest turning point
came when the National Academies
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released a public statement.
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According to the statement, the National
Science Foundation had inaccurately
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cited a National Academies report when
explaining the proposed reductions.
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That is huge.
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The National Academies are one of the
most respected scientific advisory
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organizations in the United States.
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When they publicly clarify
that their findings are being
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misinterpreted, people pay attention.
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Suddenly, it wasn't about budgets.
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It became a decision about scientific
evidence and how decisions are justified.
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Scientists began speaking out.
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Universities raised concern.
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Ocean stakeholders got involved.
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Lawmakers from both political
parties started asking questions.
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And momentum built quickly.
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Let's get back to the story.
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Now, what makes this story particularly
interesting is that it demonstrates
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how invisible ocean science can be.
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Most people will never
see these instruments.
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Like, let's be honest, we're never gonna
know what these observatories look like
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unless you go out and see a picture.
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You actually have to seek this out.
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But they're not for tourist attractions.
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They're not famous.
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They're quietly sitting there in
the ocean collecting information
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every second of every day.
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And let's be honest, like, a lot
of the times, like, this baseline
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data is boring to a lot of people.
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But when you put it in a database and
you start analyzing it from day shifts
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to hourly shifts, to whatever that
might that data, whatever that timescale
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is, it becomes really important in
protecting people, in protecting
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our coastlines, in protecting all
of our assets that we build on land.
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Because we see with the powerful
storms that can come in, how to predict
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those, and what it does to saving
lives and saving just infrastructure.
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So here's what happens.
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Here's the situation with
what's happening next.
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The good news is that the National
Science Foundation ultimately
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reversed course, which is great.
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The agency announced it would halt
further equipment removal, but
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it had already started, so some
of the damage was already done.
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Just off a misinterpretation.
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Just think about that.
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It would continue operations
and maintenance of everything.
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It would redeploy equipment that had
already been removed, which cost even more
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money, and it would gather additional
stakeholder input before moving forward.
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For now, the OOI remains operational,
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but the larger conversation
is far from over.
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Ocean observing systems are expensive.
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Budgets are always under pressure.
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For the last two years, it got… or
even before this, '24 and '25, it got
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approved by Congress, but we just don't
know what's gonna happen in the future.
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And let's be honest, we know in
Project 2025 it was slated to be cut.
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And many scientific programs
face similar challenges.
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What this episode highlights is
the importance of understanding
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what these systems actually do.
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It's easy to support protecting
whales because we love whales.
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It's easy to support protecting
coral reefs 'cause we all
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know what coral reefs are.
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It's often hard to explain why we
should invest in a network of sensors
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sitting hundreds of kilometers offshore
that we don't get to see or we
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don't understand how it benefits us.
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But without those sensors, our ability to
understand ocean change becomes weaker.
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And if we don't understand what's
happening in the ocean, it becomes
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much harder to protect it effectively.
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That's the lesson here.
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The observatory was saved, which is great,
but the broader challenge of maintaining
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long-term ocean science remains.
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Protecting the ocean isn't
about protecting species.
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It's about protecting the scientific
systems that help us understand
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what's happening beneath the surface.
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Because if we don't have that
information, there's nothing to
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protect because we don't know what's
trending downward until it's too late.
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And if we stop understanding it,
protecting it becomes much harder.
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That's it for today's episode.
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I want to bring you this news.
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It is good news, but it
doesn't mean that we are done.
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We still have to push.
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We still have to speak up, because
if we don't speak up for the ocean,
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the ocean will just disappear on us.
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Not disappear in terms of just
disappear and evaporate.
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What I'm saying is the data will
disappear, the protections will
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disappear, and we are gonna be in a
lot more trouble if we don't stand up
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to these cuts, these unnecessary cuts
that are done on misinterpretation
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and lack of understanding of
how important the ocean is
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in the face of, like, development and
trying to build a better America or
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whatever you wanna call it in the future.
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We have to protect the ocean, and
to protect the ocean, we have
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to understand it, and we have
to gather the baseline data.
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And we need to fund it, and that's what
the US has been amazing at doing in the
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past, is funding these ocean systems.
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This program started in 2016,
and it's still going strong.
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We need to make sure that we can help each
other and help the people in the States,
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and the people in the United States, you
need to speak up when this stuff happens,
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'cause we see that it becomes reversed.
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We see that even though it was
misinterpreted, when people speak
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up and people put pressure, whether
they're scientists, whether they're
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policymakers, whether they're
citizens, people get to know.
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type of stuff, and others who are going
around and make sure that you are up to
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